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---Logopened Thu May 15 00:00:33 2008
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00:08<loaiza>someone here?
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00:08<loaiza>how do I install
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00:34<kevix>I using etch on my xo and wanted iceweasel 3.0 which IIRC is in experimental becasue IIRC it uses less memory than 2.0. is this something I should persue or stick with 2.0 or opera?
00:37<kevix>cu going to freenode....
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00:45<RIVE>Had to reinstall Nvidia binary driver after a Lenny upgrade.
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00:45<RIVE>Compiz-fusio didn't work after the update.
00:46<Nemoder>nvidia's binary installer overwrites debian files, so if debian updates then it overwrites them back which breaks the driver
00:47<RIVE>Ahh, that i didn't know Nemoder, thanks.
00:48<Nemoder>debian has it's own package for nvidia's drivers in non-free
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00:48<Nemoder>but it's not so helpful if you need the very latest driver or are running lenny
00:49<RIVE>I'm in Lenny.
00:49<Nemoder>I think it's also in Sid but i'm not sure if the Sid package works very well in Lenny
00:50<RIVE>I already solve the problem with compiz, but i want to use 2.24 kernel, i have problems with that kernel end Nvidia binary.
00:51<Nemoder>you would have to rerun their installer every time you changed to a new kernel
00:51<RIVE>Yes, i know that, is not a problem for me.
00:52<Nemoder>in lenny I find it easier to build a custom kernel so that I only have to update the nvidia driver when I update my kernel
00:52<Nemoder>or xorg or it's components get updates
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00:53<RIVE>I use the binary bacause when i install lenny in this desktop ther were a problem with the nvidia package, so i have touse the binary.
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00:54<Tchmnkyz>hey guys, i am having problems with too many open files. Once i make a change in limits.conf do i need to restart the server for those changes to take effect?
00:54<RIVE>So i'm still doinng that way.
00:55<kcynice>hi, i have a question, how to modify my debian's screen resolution? it's 640*320 now, i can find other resolutions in xorg.conf, but not appear in preference list, why?
00:55<RIVE>Sorry for mi bad english.
00:56<Nemoder>RIVE: yes, I'm just suggesting that if you want a newer kernel then it may be easier to get the source and use kernel-package to build and install it rather than using the pre-made images
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00:57<Nemoder>kcynice: what video driver are you using?
00:57<RIVE>Nemoder, ok, will try that in the weekend.
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01:04<kcynice>my Monitor is 15' LCD
01:05<Nemoder>kcynice: can you post your xorg.conf to a paste site?
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01:06<kcynice>ok. I'll paste later, i am not on my own pc now.
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01:16<Supaplex>but paste is eeeeeevil
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01:19<Tchmnkyz>ok, i added increase to the nofiles rebooted and it did not increse the limit (per ulimit -n) how would i go about increasing this so lighttpd will stop crashing because of this
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01:19<jm_>where did you add the limit?
01:20<Tchmnkyz>in /etc/security/limits.conf
01:20<jm_>that doesn't apply to processes started from init.d at boot AFAIK
01:21<Tchmnkyz>so how can i increase this for those
01:21<jm_>the simplest thing would be to simply set it with ulimit in shell startup script
01:22<jm_>and you don't need to reboot to test it
01:22<jm_>just ulimit -n 32 ; invoke-rc.d ... start ; ulimit -n blah
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01:25<Zoup_>how can i help development/maintenance of debian linux kernel ?
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03:28<trueno>Hi! Is sid/main down? I am experiencing very slow updates
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03:33<neiljp>can anyone recommend the man-page that documents the lines in /etc/network/interfaces that refer to dns-search and dns-nameservers? (man interfaces doesn't seem to?)
03:35<jm_>unfortunately ifupdown has horrible documentation (IMHO)
03:35<sep>neiljp, i dont know... but i would have looked in /usr/share/doc/resolvconf*
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03:36<neiljp>sep: not sure if its using resolvconf?
03:36<neiljp>ah, I see!
03:36<neiljp>yes, just saw that bit :)
03:37<Sarom>i'm french excuse me , bye^^
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03:37<neiljp>just didn't see a full example, just noticed the vlan one at the bottom of that page
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03:42<thctlo>Hi everybody, i have a simple question, i need a program from with i can print PDF files from command line.
03:43<thctlo>just lpr works ? really ?
03:43<thctlo>... stupid me....
03:43<@Ganneff>unless your printing system is crap, yes.
03:43<jm_>thctlo: cups-pdf + lp
03:44<@Ganneff>jm_: thats the other way round, iirc.
03:44<@Ganneff>thats "i want to get pdf out", not "i want to get pdf in, paper out"
03:45<jm_>Ganneff: doh, yes of course
03:45<thctlo>i have cups pdf en lp running ( samba domain ) , what im doing.. i get .zip file per email, extract them and i want the extracted pdf's printed automatic ..
03:45<jm_>just lp will do with cups
03:46<thctlo>ow.. and al my printers are raw printers atm, is that a problem / do i need to install a PS driver for linux to print the pdf's
03:46<jm_>cups shall handle all of that for you
03:47<TiEuAM>how can i set support hugetlbpage on debian etch ??? i find nothing about...
03:47<thctlo>very cool, thanx very much jm.. you helped me a lot ..
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03:49<jm_>TiEuAM: grep TLB /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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03:53<TiEuAM>jm_: there are no file like config in /boot/, but there are one ""
03:53<jm_>TiEuAM: are you using Debian provided kernels?
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03:54<TiEuAM>jm_: no i never have touch kernels
03:54<jm_>TiEuAM: where did you get this kernel then?
03:55<TiEuAM>jm_: this is the default install of debian etch
03:55<jm_>TiEuAM: ahh ok then try this instead: grep TLB /boot/config*
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03:56<TiEuAM>jm: grep: /boot/config*: No file....
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03:57<jm_>TiEuAM: then it's not default etch - cat /etc/debian_version
03:57<TiEuAM>jm: 4.0
03:57<jm_>TiEuAM: dpkg -l|grep linux-image
03:58<TiEuAM>i have these file in /boot/ bzImage- ; ; and some bmp
03:58<jm_>TiEuAM: it's not default Etch in this case, you have changed the kernel - do you have /proc/config*?
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03:59<TiEuAM>jm: no /proc/config...
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04:00<jm_>TiEuAM: then find kernel config for it and look there
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04:02<TiEuAM>jm_ : /etc/kernel-img.conf ??
04:02<linux_guy>can i just downlad an older version of etch with an old gnome can i update just the kernel!!
04:02<jm_>TiEuAM: no
04:02<jm_>linux_guy: etch only has one version of gnome
04:02<linux_guy>will taht run on my config
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04:03<jm_>I don't know, why wouldn't it?
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04:03<jm_>TiEuAM: also grep Huge /proc/meminfo
04:04<jm_>TiEuAM: grep huge /proc/filesystems ; cat /proc/sys/vm/nr_hugepages
04:04<jm_>if some of those show anything you have it enabled
04:04<linux_guy>will the latest version of gnome which is upplied by default run on 256mb ram 1.4ghz
04:04<jm_>linux_guy: yeah but probably not very fast
04:05<linux_guy>how about fluxbox
04:05<linux_guy>and kde the lateset version
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04:05<jm_>that will be fine, or maybe even xfce
04:06<jm_>kde is probably in the same category as gnome - try it and see for yourself, maybe you'll be happy
04:06<linux_guy>xfce is fast and good but iam worried about kde
04:07<jm_>so use xfce I suppose
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04:07<aaron_>If I'm running Debian Etch PPC, would it still be possible to play Winbloze games in Wine?
04:08<TiEuAM>jm_: cat /proc/meminfo don't show huge info like "Hugepagesize, HugePages_Total..." /proc/sys/vm/nr_hugepages don't exist
04:08<linux_guy>so to run half-life or half-life mods i should go for xfce (wine will be there)
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04:08<linux_guy>how much does wine eat
04:09<jm_>TiEuAM: then you don't have it enabled in your kernel
04:10<TiEuAM>jm_: and i can enable this ?
04:11<jm_>TiEuAM: you have my permission
04:12<TiEuAM>jm: lol, but how ??
04:12<jm_>TiEuAM: you need to reconfigure and recompile your kernel
04:12<linux_guy>how much mem does wine eat??
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04:14<TiEuAM>jm_: thanks i look in this road
04:16<jm_>TiEuAM: while configuring it make sure to include support for CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC
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04:19<simonrvn>aaron_: no
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04:28<Ikarus>urgh, great, need to re request the SSL keys
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04:38<wurstwolf>hi all
04:38<wurstwolf>ah, forgot something...
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04:39<TiEuAM>jm_: is it something like in this page, in the middle, the first message of "Adamaru" ??? and what command i put in configure for enable huge ?? juste include support for CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC ??
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04:54<jm_>TiEuAM: yes but it can be simpler using make-kpkg
04:55<avtobiff>hi there. i am using lenny and my gnome-panel has locks up after starting x and gnome and it wont load (not clickable and the applets aren't loaded). obviously i want to solve this, any tips on how i should go about is greatly appreciated
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05:36<gpb>i want to encrypt my external disk with LUKS compatible format
05:36<gpb>but i need to do so under windows
05:36<gpb>(windows here, debian at home)
05:37<gpb>which software is best for that?
05:37<gpb>or where do I need to read further
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06:00<Snuffpig>re: the open SSL vulnerability, would this affect Iceweasel?
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06:03<munga>I see this error in my auth.log WARNING: /etc/ssh/moduli does not exist, using fixed modulus
06:04<munga>how can I regenerate it ?
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06:05<sep>Snuffpig, if you ever made a ssl key with the broken libssl that you imported in iceweasel to login on webpages with then yes . otherways no not realy.
06:06<Snuffpig>sep, thank you that's quite reassuring
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06:15<jm_>munga: it's part of the package
06:16<padski>sep, do I have to have made the key ?
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06:17<TiEuAM>jm_: ok, i have decompress the linux package, set the config, now i edit the file ".config", i add in "CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC=y", "CONFIG_HUGETLBFS=y", "CONFIG_HUGETLB_PAGE=y" I don't need to add other commands ?? (for enable hugepages)
06:19<sep>padski, someone with broken libssl must have made it
06:19<sep>you can test the key with the tools available
06:20<padski>sep, do the tools extend to testing a resulting cert without the private key ?
06:20<themill>padski: aiui, they only test the modulus which is available in the public key.
06:20*less is upgrading his libssl as we speak
06:21<jm_>TiEuAM: do not edit it by hand
06:22<padski>themill, modulus ?!
06:23<TiEuAM>jm_: i don't find something about hugepage in the config interface of linux, how i can add these command without edit by hand ??
06:24<TiEuAM>jm_: it's not normal i cannot edit by hand, i have open with vim and it's editable lol
06:26<jm_>TiEuAM: make menuconfig
06:26<TiEuAM>jm_: the interface i speak is "make menuconfig"
06:27<TiEuAM>jm_: i find noting about hugepages in "make menuconfig"
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06:31<cahoot> CONFIG_HUGETLB_PAGE ?
06:32<TiEuAM>cahoot: i don't know, i have find this page, it's config with hugepages
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06:32<jm_>TiEuAM: search for it, /HUGE<enter>
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06:33<jm_>TiEuAM: it will show you where it is and which options it depends on
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06:35<TiEuAM>jm_ yes there are #Pseudo filesystems CONFIG_PROC_FS=y #CONFIG_PROC_KCORE is not set CONFIG_PROC_SYSCTL=y CONFIG_SYSFS=y #CONFIG_TMPFS is not set #CONFIG_HUGETLBFS is not set #CONFIG_HUGETLB_PAGE is not set #CONFIG_CONFIGFS_FS is not set
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06:36<TiEuAM>jm_: CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC is not in the file
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06:37<TiEuAM>jm_: (in the file the make menuconfig generated)
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06:39<TiEuAM>i need to activate all i have cited by add "=y" or just these with *HUGE*
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06:43<pleb2>Hey all, Anyone here who runs IBM hardware, esp /w RAID controllers?
06:44<padski>!tell pleb2 about anyone
06:45<padski>pleb2, you still have that raid controller then ?
06:45<sep>pleb2, just pretend dpkg was in the channel and said something like :: If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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06:46<pleb2>:\ sorry, okay. I have a server in co-location, it has been up 3 days, and ive recieved an auto e-mail from mpt-status saying the array is degraded, on checking if found this :
06:46<pleb2>ioc0 phy 1 scsi_id 1 IBM-ESXS MAS3367NC FN C901, 0 GB, state FAILED, flags OUT_OF_SYNC
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06:47<munga>jm_: thanks. I was looking for in in openssh-server while it's in openssh-client . duhh
06:47<pleb2>Is there any software to install on debian to configure the array, perhaps through a webinterface??>?
06:47<pleb2>I am aware i shal be requiring a new disk
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06:48<Koston>anyone have a ready-made list of 1024bit RSA SSH keys fingerprints for the OpenSSL vuln, or should I generate my own keys and fingerprints list?
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06:50<padski>pleb2, something like this:
06:50<Koston>yes, it's missing that one (also missing 4096-bit RSA, but I generated that since metasploit fellow had generated keys)
06:51<jm_>munga: yeah
06:51<jm_>TiEuAM: please don't edit it manually
06:51<sep>Koston, add it to the openssh-blacklist package ?
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06:52<pleb2>Padski thats perfect
06:52<maxb_>metasploit only has x86 keys last time I looked?
06:52<Koston>sep, frankly, I'm going to write my own utility to do the checking, since I need it to be independent from openssh package and the script is downright horrible shit
06:52<pleb2>Padski: how would i go about installing the CIM onto debian?
06:52<Koston>sep, and I need features it's missing, like checking against SSH2 type keys (if converted from OpenSSH) etc.
06:52<sep>Koston, and you dont want to share with the rest of us ? i find that to be bad sportmanship
06:52<maxb_>Whereas the Debian blacklists include three architectures, which I take to be i386, amd64 and <<some mystery one>>
06:52<padski>pleb2, dunno, I didn't look any deeper than that. what's in the archive file ?
06:53<Koston>sep, of course I'll share :-)
06:53<sep>Koston, so put it in the packages :)
06:53<pleb2>Padski , went the level up, i'll try d/l the linux zip file
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06:55<padski>pleb2, check that you get for your model of card :-)
06:56<themill>Koston: send patches. /msg dpkg reportbug
06:56<TiEuAM>jm_: i'm looking for more info before install. But i have no choice for install hugepage without editing the .config file !? how i need to do ?
06:57<Koston>before doing that, I'm curious how you managed to get 98307 lines of fingerprints, since 2x 32767 (pub/priv) should only be 65538?
06:57<jm_>TiEuAM: run makemenuconfig, go to Filesystems -> Pseudo filesystems and enable it there
06:58<pleb2>Padski, the mpt stuff is available as packages
06:58<pleb2>infact i already have installed mpt-status
06:58<jm_>TiEuAM: I have to go to lunch now
06:58<padski>pleb2, is this good ?
06:59<pleb2>Padski, Is there a package to be able to configure the RAID instead of just view status?
06:59<pleb2>Padski, its not good it shows me I have a failed drive, only had the server 4 days /cry
06:59<TiEuAM>jm_: thx, i make that and relook the .config file, for look is huge have been good activeted
07:00<jm_>TiEuAM: yeah you'll see it when you boot with it ;)
07:01<padski>pleb2, I am not familiar with your HBA. I would expect that either the OEM (ibm ?) or LSI would supply something. the link I posted looked promissing.
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07:01<bcochofel>Hi, I need a program that can run on console and check if I have new Maildir mails. Is there something on debian?
07:02<TiEuAM>jm_: héhé you find it ! very thx... huge is in the interface
07:02<maxb>Koston: 98307 == {32bit big-endian, 32bit little-endian, 64bit little-endian} * {0..32768}
07:03<Koston>ah I see - I'm missing 64bit keys entirely
07:03<Koston>and 32bit big-endian as well :P
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07:05<maxb>I have the rsa4096-64le series generating now
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07:05<Koston>ack. what bout 1024bit rsa?
07:05<maxb>It's been running for 10 hours, so I hope it'll be finishing in a few more
07:06<maxb>I'm thinking that the affected versions defaulted to 2048bit keys, so that hopefully there shouldn't be any smaller?
07:06<maxb>unless someone was unwise enough to override the key length _lower_ than the default
07:06<Koston>never underestimate the stupidity of users ;)
07:06<Sasha>hi, is this a good place to find some help on debian and wireless problems for a newbie?
07:07<maxb>It's a channel for debian-anything, so it's a good place to ask, but it's sometimes too general for very specific problems
07:07<Koston>maxb, which mailing list can I find your fingerprint list once you're done?
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07:08<maxb>I haven't worked out how I'm going to distribute it.
07:09<Sasha>maxb thanks, can you point me to some other room? My problem is that I am not sure if my wireless drivers are working ok
07:09<maxb>I was thinking that I'd put it on an http server and link it from and
07:09<Sasha>I can see wireless networks around me but cant ping anyone
07:09<Koston>okay, great, I'll be following changes in the wiki link
07:09<cahoot>Sasha: not even if you use ip#
07:10<sep>maxb, can it be added to the openssh-blacklist package ?
07:10<Sasha>cahoot: not sure what do you mean?
07:10<Koston>sep, quite easily so
07:10<maxb>I don't control that, but maybe Colin Watson will integrate it if I link it from the bug
07:11<maxb>Or maybe Debian will need to generate the lists themselves to be confident in what they're shipping
07:15<Koston>this really came on with a BAD timing :)
07:15<Koston>woke up in jail yesterday morning :P
07:16<Koston>luckily vast majority of keys are generated with sarge or older or !OpenSSH
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07:32<padski>only 32,767 possible outcomes
07:34<padski>and why feed in the PID in the first place ?
07:34<golan>sep, well Colin complained on the bug page that it is too big to be included in the package, but hopefully it will be used/put somewhere else
07:35<azeem>padski: apparently that was the only seed for the RNG or something
07:35<maxb>As one component among many the pid makes some sense
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07:35<padski>azeem, yeah. I'm just wondering why you would use that as seed material in the first place.
07:35<azeem>padski: it's /some/ source of randomness
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07:36<Koston>every source of randomness is good, it just was never meant to be the only one
07:36<padski>how long until a test to trap this kind of silliness goes into the build process ?
07:37<azeem>padski: what?
07:37<Koston>well how long until people who don't understand code stop making changes to it
07:37<golan>how are you supposed to do that?
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07:37<azeem>padski: there's a test suite in openssl AFAIK, no idea why this bug didn't make it fail
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07:37<padski>Koston, for that you have to wait for the programs that don't understand the code to get better at changing it.
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07:38<padski>azeem, you would think there would be some kind of test of this sort of thing
07:39<Koston>to search for frequent collisions in generated keys?
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07:41<Koston>anysay, here's fingerprints for 32bit little-endian 4096bit-RSA keys that can be used directly with openssh-blacklist:
07:41<padski>Koston, there are ways to test for non-randomness, that would be an example.
07:41<NinjaMan>I have a mixed PATA & old IDE system and my kernel orders the drives differently to the BIOS and GRUB2 so GRUB2 is not updating with the correct drive reference
07:41<NinjaMan>anyone know how to solve this?
07:42<Koston>as I'm doing this for work I don't have time now to update the package itself, and I don't need the ssh-vulnkey utility anyway
07:42<maxb>The thing is, because of the pid, there would have been no collisions on a single system in any non-huge test
07:42<jm_>NinjaMan: update what?
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07:42<NinjaMan>jm_: GRUB2 update - it seems to be influenced by the drive order in the kernel
07:43<jm_>NinjaMan: why do you care what grub sees?
07:43<NinjaMan>hm_: but during the boot sequence it is taking it's information from the bios
07:43<NinjaMan>jm_ because update_grub2 is run in user space and seems to use the kernel drive order
07:44<NinjaMan>jm_: but when actually booting it doesn't match the bios drive order that GRUB2 sees
07:44<padski>maxb, I think there are better methods than needing actual collisions.
07:44<jm_>NinjaMan: update-grub merely recreates menu.lst in grub1 terms
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07:44<NinjaMan>jm_: ok so what is determining the hd(0,1) references?
07:45<maxb>padski: Maybe. You need advanced crypto knowledge to understand that, which I don't have :-)
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07:45<jm_>NinjaMan: let me check how it works
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07:45<NinjaMan>jm_ because mine recently changed from hd(0,1) which is correct from a bios point of view to hd(2,1) which is only correct from the point of view of my new kernel not the bios
07:46<padski>maxb, besides which the whole problem is that it is far too trivial to do these calculations: "I used 31 Xeon cores clocked at 2.33Ghz. It took two hours to generate the 1024-bit DSA and 2048-bit RSA keys for x86."
07:46<soapyj>is there a specific channel here for help with an Etch installation?
07:46<maxb>The gen time increases alarmingly from 2048 to 4096
07:46<padski>soapyj, this is it
07:47<soapyj>Thanks:) I'm having trouble installing getting aptitude to installk the mysql packages (I'm new to Debian)
07:47<padski>maxb, so the gen time for 1024 must be similarly smaller.
07:47<NinjaMan>jm_ thanks for checking
07:47<Koston>padski, it makes no difference whatsoever anyway, as long as *one* person generates the fingerprint list
07:48<soapyj>It seems to boil down to the following erro, is it ok to post that here?
07:48<Koston>padski, if the list includes information of which fingerprint matches which fed PID, you only need to generate one key after you know your target's vulnerable
07:48<padski>Koston, point is how easily you could add a test to the test suite.
07:48<jm_>NinjaMan: it starts by finding device for / and then converts it to grub naming convention via - does grub2 still use this?
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07:48<jm_>soapyj: only if it's 1 line
07:48<NinjaMan>jm_: I'll check for a device map
07:48<Koston>padski, ah.. well, as I gathered, the problem originally evolved from miscomunication between openssl and debian devs
07:48<Koston>padski, probably they aren't using same test suites either etc..
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07:49<soapyj>mysql-server-5.0: Depends: libdbi-perl which is a virtual package.
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07:49<NinjaMan>jm_: yes - it appears that the devicemap has changed - what updates it?
07:49<azeem>padski: *now* you can pretty easily add a test I guess
07:49<jm_>NinjaMan: grub-install
07:49<gustav>was ist das?
07:49<azeem>it was pretty difficult to test for this beforehand
07:49<soapyj>I have p3rl 5.8.8 installed and the modules, I'm not sure why it isnt recognised?
07:49<NinjaMan>jm_: and presumably that is run whenever a new kernel is installed. right?
07:50<padski>azeem, generate ten numbers and check if they are all the same ?
07:50<azeem>padski: except they wouldn't be
07:50<Koston>azeem, only sensible approach would've probably been to simply generate huge amounts of keys and check for collisions
07:50<azeem>unless you force ssh-keygen to use a hacked getpid() which always returns the same number
07:50<padski>azeem, if your pid doesn't change ?
07:51<Koston>azeem that's trivial
07:51<azeem>padski: it does though?
07:51<azeem>padski: we're talking about a test suite here
07:51<jm_>NinjaMan: nope
07:51<jm_>NinjaMan: only update-grub should be
07:51<azeem>each time you run ssl-keygen or what the tool is called, it'll change pid
07:51<padski>azeem, to be fair, I think that horse has bolted now :-)
07:51<NinjaMan>jm_ I think the culprit is grub-setup
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07:52<NinjaMan>jm_ possibly calling grub-mkdevicemap to auto generate the file
07:52<themill>padski: it's always easier to come up with a test case after you've found the problem too. It might be worth coming up with a regression test now to make sure it doesn't happen again, but the chance of actually catching this with any test case written in advance is minimal.
07:52<seanius>soapyj: what release are you using?
07:53<soapyj>seanius: It's 4.0 (Etch) stabkle I believe on 686
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07:53<seanius>strange. can you send apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.0 to a pastebin?
07:54<NinjaMan>jm_: so can I manually edit the file and rerun grub-setup - or will that have consequences?
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07:55<soapyj>seanius: UI have the output, what is the pastebin??
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07:55<padski>themill, nod, nod and maybe. seems to me that modern crypto depends very much on testing and similar black art. This might have been spotted by insight, but there is plenty of activity analysing the output of prngs.
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07:55<Domi33340>hello everybody !
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07:56<padski>themill, but maybe it turns out to be harder than I think.
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07:57<soapyj>seanius: ah, googled it :)
07:57<jm_>NinjaMan: hmm I don't know to be honest, I am still using grub1 - they are probably shell scripts, right?
07:58<NinjaMan>jm_: I will check grub-install and grub-setup. is a simple file
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07:59<themill>padski: indeed. There are quite good test suites that can and should be pointed at the prng. But the problem isn't the prng but it's seed. The prng is presumably pretty good (I don't use it for my work that relies on random numbers though), the problem is that successive invocations had a small set of seeds. You can't detect that from testing the prng though; you'd have to run the test at least (number of seeds)+1 times to see any collisions.
07:59<themill>padski: To know what (number of seeds) is, you need to already know that the problem exists. Catch-22.
07:59<NinjaMan>jm_: grub install is a shell script, bu grub-setup actually appears to be a binary
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08:00<jm_>NinjaMan: how about grub-mkdevicemap ?
08:00<NinjaMan>jm_: that is a binary as well
08:00<jm_>NinjaMan: bummer
08:01<NinjaMan>jm_ I'll backup, edit it's contents and then rerun grub-setup
08:01<NinjaMan>jm_: to be honest once the PATA HPT37X driver is stable, I will stop using the old IDE altogether and all my devices will be /dev/sdX
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08:02<NinjaMan>jm_ the problem is the kernel always seems to put /dev/hdX before /dev/sdX regardless of true order
08:02<seanius> soapyj now how about the same for libdbi-perl ?
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08:05<soapyj>seanius: OK, for mysql-server and libdbi-perl
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08:05<padski>themill, ok, but then you test the seed generator like you would a prng ?
08:05<jm_>NinjaMan: there's a clear enhancement possible - add blacklist for certain devices
08:05<seanius>soapyj: what's in your sources.list? libdbi-perl should be present in etch
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08:07<soapyj>seanius: sources.list
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08:08<seanius>soapyj: hmm... i ssuspect that may be the problem
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08:09<soapyj>seanius: What do I need in there?
08:09<NinjaMan>jm_: true or the kernel should use the bios to determine drive order (although that's what I thought EDD was for)
08:09<seanius>try adding a "deb etch main contrib" and apt-get update and try again
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08:09<themill>padski: probably not as easy as it sounds. The seed generation is a slow process compared to the generation of the next random number (you have process startup and teardown time too)
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08:10<themill>seanius, soapyj: use or another local mirror rather than
08:10<jm_>NinjaMan: well grub should, not kernel
08:10<soapyj>themill: OK, I'll put that in there instead
08:10<seanius>themill: i'm too lazy to find his cc and closest mirror
08:12<themill>seanius: indeed, but is rarely a good choice. It is not the "main" mirror and is a pretty slow host at the best of times:
08:12<TiEuAM>jm_: arf... i don't find to activate the new boot, lilo have make something, i have reboot and i'am already with the old linux
08:13<jm_>TiEuAM: did you copy the kernel to /boot? did you add it to lilo.conf? did you run lilo? why not use grub?
08:13<seanius>themill: lazy != unaware ;p
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08:16<themill>seanius: the use of is apparently a problem for debian though... please don't compound this problem. A /whois is often all that's required, although in this case a whois is also required. Or ask the user to replace CC by their country code. Or ask where they are from. :)
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08:22<TiEuAM>jm_: lol i have planted the server... ssh access die lol
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08:23<jm_>TiEuAM: well lesson learned for the next time
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08:26<TiEuAM>jm_: i have edit lilo.conf, replace the old image by mine, put my image (/boot/vmlinuz-, re "make install", lilo added linux on /dev/md1, i have check "lilo -v", it was write now "Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-", i reboot ==> kaput...
08:27<jm_>TiEuAM: probably a result of incorrect kernel config
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08:30<zok>I'm using synaptic package manager to update some packages. I get this error: "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on debian-archive-keyring"
08:30<zok>How can I fix this?
08:30<zok>Do I have to first disable the keyring or something?
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08:32<zok>Is there another IRC channel I should be asking in?
08:32<azeem>zok: which version of Debian?
08:32<zok>I am using a netinst disk that I downloaded a few months ago
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08:32<azeem>that's not very specific
08:32<zok>Is there a way to find out what version of the netinst I am using?
08:33<zok>I don't remember offhand
08:33<azeem>it should say on bootup I think
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08:33*zok reboots the machine
08:33<azeem>zok: eh, bootup of the netinst ISO
08:33<TiEuAM>jm_: i'm on a serveur i buy by month, it's an intel core2 4go ddr2 with 2xharddrive raid 1, and 1 hard drive usb. i have look all the option in the interface (make menuconfig) and change only 2,3...(usb, raid and huge). What do u think i forgot or bad do ?
08:33<azeem>if you want to know what you're currently running, that's easy to find out
08:33<azeem>"dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1"
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08:34<jm_>TiEuAM: initrd if you require one
08:35<zok>"This is a debian etch installation cd-rom. It was built 2008-02-18 14:15; d-i 20070308etch2."
08:36<zok>azeem: does that help?
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08:36<azeem>zok: run "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1"
08:36<azeem>what does it say?
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08:36<zok>Alright, let me boot off the hd instead of the disk
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08:37<jm_>zok: is it using packages for sid perhaps?
08:37<zok>Yes, it is
08:37<azeem>zok: why didn't you say?
08:37<azeem>14:29 < azeem> zok: which version of Debian?
08:38<azeem>zok: if you're running sid, it's not a surprise if/when stuff breaks
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08:38<tenzind>Hi, the exim4 service on my lenny refuses to start saying "Starting MTA:exim: incompatible command-line options or arguments" . Is it a bug?
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08:38<azeem>tenzind: yes
08:38<zok>How do I run an up to date version without running unstable then?
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08:39<tenzind>azeem: so there is nothing much I can do about it right now??
08:39<azeem>tenzind: it's a problem with lsb-base or something
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08:40<padski>themill, I don't know what would make a useful general test, but the time to generate the set of bad keys does seem disproportionately small to the overall problem.
08:40<TiEuAM>jm_: so what i do the next time after "make menuconfig"
08:40<azeem>tenzind: see
08:40<azeem>tenzind: try to downgrade lsb-base
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08:41<zok>azeem: that command gave me "ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries"
08:41<jm_>TiEuAM: you build and install the kernel and modules, then build initrd if you need one - I recommend you to use grub and make-kpkg
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08:41<themill>padski: true. The problem is that hindsight lets you create a small test case.
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08:42<padski>themill, so ~50,000 numbers is not much use as a sample to test ?
08:43<azeem>zok: pastebin your "/etc/apt/sources.list"
08:43<azeem>zok: put it up on
08:43<themill>azeem: dpkg gone walkies
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08:43<padski>what is that other one called ?
08:43<themill>azeem: there was a netsplit earlier and it never came back
08:44<TiEuAM>jm_: what are modules for kernel, i have no module, it's normal, i haven't put any
08:44<themill>padski: all missing
08:44<padski>themill, :-(
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08:46<themill>padski: You only *now* know that you only need 50k tests (although there are actually 250k keys that can come out of that).
08:46<Koston>there's an updated openssh-blacklist package which includes the 32bit lil-endian 4096-rsa fingerprints
08:47<Koston>for some reason, the debian version in etch is 0.1.1 but no source is avail. and it doesnt include those
08:47<jm_>TiEuAM: where did you get kernel config from?
08:47<Koston>anyway it "downgrades" just fine when installed manually and ssh-vulnkey knows how to use it.
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08:48<Koston>maxb, as soon as you get your 64bit version out, please do let me know since I would have use for those as well
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08:48<jm_>TiEuAM: there is no config on that URL
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08:49<jm_>TiEuAM: are you using default config?
08:50<TiEuAM>jm_: i don't knows exactly, i have manager for install the distribution i want on the serveur
08:50<jm_>TiEuAM: ok that explains why it doesn't work
08:50<TiEuAM>the manager propose lol
08:51<TiEuAM>jm_: maybe i need to take the same kernel, i have take the last...
08:52<jm_>TiEuAM: you just need the same config
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08:52<jm_>TiEuAM: and initrd if old kernel uses it
08:53<tenzind>azeem: how do i safely downgrade lsb-base?
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08:54<TiEuAM>jm_: ok so it's the first step we have speak... find the .config of the default kernel installed by the manager
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08:55<jm_>TiEuAM: yeah find that somehow
08:55<TiEuAM>jm_: i look, i have read i think that my provider propose his kernel file in download
08:57<TiEuAM>jm_: thx i go to eat
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08:58<jm_>TiEuAM: bon appetit
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09:00<yayo>I have an issue..I am unable to run any php scripts to read my mySQL database
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09:00<yayo>any help?
09:00<danny>hello there
09:00<yayo>Hello danny
09:00<yayo>could you help me with my problem?
09:00<azeem>tenzind: add "deb pool lsb" to your sources.list; run apt-get update && apt-get install lsb-base=3.2-8; remove the lines from sources.list again, run apt-get update again
09:00<danny>I just installed debian, and I want to make the ressolution of my ttys higher
09:00<danny>yayo: wich is it?
09:00<yayo>I am unable to run any php scripts to read my mySQL database
09:01<azeem>yayo: don't ask people, ask the channel
09:01<tenzind>azeem: thank you
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09:01<yayo>what do you mean?
09:01<yayo>ok then
09:01<danny>yayo: hmmm I'm not used to work with php or mySQL yet
09:01<azeem>yayo: the probabilty of getting an aswer to a question is much higher if you don't address it to specific persons
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09:02<azeem>see, danny has no idea about your question
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09:02<yayo>oh..well when I came in I asked everyone
09:02<yayo>got no reply =S
09:02<danny>is there any way to make the ressolution of the ttys higher?
09:02<azeem>I see
09:02<jm_>danny: yes
09:02<danny>jm_: how? =)
09:03<azeem>yayo: in that case, there's no use in repeating the question immediately
09:03<jm_>danny: you can specify kernel options if you are using FB, otherwise you can try stm (which is rather outdated)
09:03<yayo>is there anyone who can help?
09:03<themill>yayo: do you have php5-mysql installed?
09:03<azeem>yayo: maybe a php-related channel is better for help
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09:04<yayo>yes I do themill
09:04<danny>jm_:and to specify the kernel options do I have to recompile?
09:04<malademental>hi guys!
09:04<yayo>you helped me with that a longg time ago
09:04<jm_>danny: naah
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09:04<danny>jm_: then how I do it? I feel now liek a total noob, 2 years without using debian and I forget everything lol
09:05<jm_>danny: pass appropriate vga= option depending on which resolution you want
09:06<yayo>themill do you think it's my apache?
09:06<themill>yayo: I have no idea. You've provided us with absolutely no details yet.
09:06<yayo>I mean when I check my IP through a URL it shows "itworks"
09:06<yayo>so that means apache is fine right?
09:06<danny>jm_: now I really feel embarassed... and how do I access to change the kernel options? o///o
09:07<yayo>how come it's not reading the mysql database to run my scripts then?
09:07<jm_>danny: are you using grub?
09:07<danny>jm_: yes
09:07<yayo>they are some simple scripts that check user data =S
09:07<jm_>danny: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
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09:07<danny>jm_: ohh that I remember how to do it (i hope)
09:08<jm_>danny: it's a text file, pay attention to commenas if you're using Debian kernels and man update-grub
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09:09<jm_>comments even
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09:09<danny>jm_: I know, got to edit it with vim
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09:10<jm_>danny: for vga= parameters look here:
09:10<danny>jm_: so I have to add vga=1234x1234 to theboot I want?
09:10<jm_>danny: no, see above
09:10<danny>jm_: ok =)
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09:14<danny>jm_: guess it's gonna take me some moer work than I anticipated =P thx for the info, I will try to sort it out later =)
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09:15<danny>and now, with my real problem
09:16<danny>I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers
09:16<jm_>!nvidia one-liner
09:16<themill>dpkg: ping
09:16<danny>but when I start the oficiall installer it tells me that terhe's not a precompiled package for me
09:16<jm_>ahh dpkg is gone
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09:16<themill>jm_: ENOBOT
09:16<jm_>danny: do not use that, do it the debian way
09:17<danny>jm_: with that I will have 3d enabled and all the stuff?
09:18<danny>jm_: yay more reading, well that's the way to learn =)
09:18<jm_>danny: yes
09:18<k-man>any idea why my audio wouldn't work after resuming from hibernation?
09:18<danny>jm_: thx for all!
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09:25<cahoot>k-man: the modules still loaded?
09:25<jm_>maybe your sound drivers don't support suspend/resume or just have a bug
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09:28<yayo>anyone know what the apache chennel is?
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09:32<azeem>dpkg is absent
09:32<padski>"#apache is an IRC channel that runs on the IRC network."
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10:02<vvas>hi all
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10:02<vvas>i have a server i co-administer (remotely), when we set it up years ago it was running kernel 2.4 (custom compiled) so we left it at that
10:03<vvas>recently glibc packages have started refusing to install without a 2.6 kernel, so we thought it's time to upgrade
10:03<vvas>at the same time though, linux 2.6 packages refuse to install without a recent glibc
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10:04<vvas>so i was wondering if anyone can offer a way out of this standstill
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10:04<ranix>vvas: dist-upgrade to etch
10:04<azeem>vvas: install the 2.6 kernel from sarge
10:04<azeem>ranix: eh
10:04<jm_>dpkg -i libc6...deb linux-image....deb shall work
10:04<ranix>azeem: what
10:04<jm_>ahh no it won't work
10:04<azeem>ranix: this is not the right solution, if you had read the whole message
10:05<azeem>the right solution is to install the libc from sarge, then the 2.6 kernel from sarge, then upgrade glibc and kernel to etch
10:05<padski>vvas, is that a sarge to etch upgrade ?
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10:05<ranix>azeem: he has a server he set up a long time ago, he is trying to install recently-built packages with dependencies his release does not support
10:05<vvas>azeem: hm, that might just work. i'll go have a look
10:05<ranix>azeem: the correct solution is not to upgrade to the most recent stable version?
10:05<azeem>ranix: did you *yet* read the whole problem description?
10:05<vvas>padski: it's been on testing for a while, rather than on stable releases
10:06<themill>vvas: your running lenny with a 2.4 kernel?
10:06<azeem>old lenny
10:06<themill>sarge/etch/lenny mix, most likely :(
10:07<azeem>vvas: replace sarge with etch and etch with lenny in the above
10:07<ranix>wait how do you even run lenny with a 2.4 kernel
10:07<ranix>is there a 2.4 kernel in there?
10:08<ranix>I know you CAN but is it a supplied package in testing?
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10:08<themill>ranix: you can't run a pure-lenny system with a 2.4 kernel, but you can end up with a lenny-ish machine with some etch or sarge packages still.
10:08<vvas>azeem: ok :^)
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10:09<maxb>Maybe it would make sense to dist-upgrade to sarge, then dist-upgrade to etch, then dist-upgrade to current lenny?
10:10<themill>It would certainly sound sensible to at least try going via etch in that way.
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10:11<vvas>if i were to go to etch it would probably involve a lot of downgrading, and i'm trying to avoid the pain of that if possible
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10:11<themill>vvas: what sources do you currently have? just testing?
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10:12<berto>omg ->
10:12<vvas>themill: *nod*
10:13<themill>berto: "5. Enjoy the shell after some minutes (less than 20 minutes)" jaw drops.
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10:14<enkrypt>berto: that has very littile usefulness in a real-life environment
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10:15<enkrypt>limited by cpu performance, and even much more by network performance
10:15<enkrypt>plus every secured server has denyhosts or fail2ban running
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10:15<padski>enkrypt, there are plenty of folk who tout keys-only as the ways to go.
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10:16<styx>hi, i am trying to batch-update my boxes...
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10:17<styx>how can i get apt-get to not show ANY prompt?
10:17<styx>apt-get install libssl0.9.8 -y --force-yes is not sufficient
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10:17<jm_>styx: what does it ask you?
10:18<maxb>Does apt-get perhaps want its options before its arguments?
10:18<maxb>I'd skip --force-yes
10:18<styx>jm_: the servics to be restarted
10:18<maxb>Ah, right, that'll be from debconf
10:18<jm_>styx: that's not apt asking but dpkg/debconf -- you can use non-interactive for that AFAIK
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10:19<styx>erm... yes? i can? *G* jm_ any idea how? *sigh*
10:19<jm_>styx: man dpkg-reconfigure
10:19<jm_>DEBIAN_FRONTEND=foo ...
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10:20<jm_>also man 7 debconf
10:20<styx>jm_ yes, but being called from apt-get, i assume it to be different....
10:20<styx>aah ok
10:20<enkrypt>padski: yes, and? how is that relevant?
10:20<enkrypt>I always use keys if possible, 4096 bit RSA, with a strong passphrase
10:21<enkrypt>plus my server has "denyhosts" running, so you can try exactly 3 failed attempts, before you're blocked
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10:25<vvas>ah, cool, forcibly moving the system to stable isn't that bad after all
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10:25<vvas>only 5 packages downgraded
10:25<vvas>apt_preferences <3
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10:30<styx>*sigh* apt-get update;apt-get install libssl0.9.8;rm /etc/ssh/*host*;dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server ....
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10:30<styx>box 14 of 32
10:31<jm_>almost halfway done ;)
10:32<vvas>styx: heh, thanks, and i was about to ask if there's an easy way to regenerate the keys
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10:32<styx>was *G* :)
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10:34<styx>only thing is this debconf thing. now i'm manually acking it..
10:34<jm_>you can use ssh-keygen directly
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10:35<maxb>There's probably a thing you can run to preseed debconf with "yes, just do it"
10:35<styx>yes, very likely :)
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10:36<styx>jm_: the reconfigure is probably the most simple one
10:36<jm_>styx: sure
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10:36<vvas>funny, debconf didn't ask any questions here
10:37<styx>lucky b*** :)
10:37<jm_>vvas: did you delete the keys?
10:37<vvas>of course
10:38<styx>jm_ the libssl update triggers the services restart dialog message for me
10:38<vvas>anyone know what /etc/ssh/moduli is BTW?
10:38<jm_>styx: right
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10:38<jm_>vvas: no, my mom has no clue what ssh is so she doesn't know
10:38<jm_>but man moduli
10:38<styx>was man moduli :)
10:38<styx>aah beaten.
10:39<vvas>styx: that's "vvas" BTW, not "was" ;^)
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10:39<styx>ah that's why autocomplete did not... erm...
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10:40<vvas>ah ok... and don't we need to regenerate that?
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10:41<jm_>no, it comes with ssh client
10:41<padski>is the contents secret ?
10:42<styx>according to permissions, no
10:42<styx>755 is in general not too secret :)
10:42<vvas>644 :-p
10:42<styx>i am too bloody slow today
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10:43<Cheatah>must be lag
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10:45<ellobo>is there any way of compiling your kernel using make-kpkg between small .config changes without having to recompile the whole tree?
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10:46<spawn>I've a trouble with my machine to update, anybody help?
10:47<ellobo>spawn: please describe your problem before asking if anyone can help you :)
10:48<spawn>I have a redhat 7.3 I would try to update why redhat does support
10:48<azeem>spawn: ask #redhat
10:48<azeem>this is a Debian chan
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10:48<spawn>ohh sorry wrong room
10:49<ellobo>spawn: see? if you descrideb first a lot of bytes would be spared :)
10:49<spawn>ok, thanks
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10:49<styx>ellobo: *G* save the environment - reduce byte usage
10:50<ellobo>true... true...
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10:56<vvas>azeem: ok, after forcibly downgrading to etch, etch's linux-image-2.6 installed fine, thanks
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11:05<desmond>oie alguem poderia me ajudar
11:05<n8_>test mssg
11:06<desmond>estou com 2 duvidas uma sobre o xchat e uma sobre um pacote deb
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11:06<themill><dpkg> Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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11:49<peppper>anyone knows about oidentd? i got an error here says, error: no-user
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11:51<Koston>maxb, thanks!
11:52<maxb>I've discovered a bunch of 1024 and 1023 bit rsa keys I need to audit too :-/
11:52<Koston>maxb, updated with your list:
11:53<maxb>Give it a different version if you change something
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11:53<Koston>probably shuold.. :P
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11:54<EmleyMoor>Is there a good modem available that can act based on distinctive rings?
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11:56<EmleyMoor>(for example, on one distinctive ring pattern, hylafax answers. On any other, it stays on hook.)
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12:02<jasonharvey>So, i had something really creepy happen with the SSH key thing and I am hoping someone might know what is going on.
12:02<jasonharvey>I updated my SSL libraries, blew away all existing SSH keys and regenerated. However, using the new key, i was still able to login to every server which had my OLD authorized_key file.
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12:03<jasonharvey>that should be pretty much impossible, right?
12:03<themill>jasonharvey: ssh-agent still running?
12:03<maxb>uh, yes :-)
12:03<kop>jasonharvey : Login how? By use of the old key without a password? That'd be because you didn't replace ~/.ssh/authorized_keys (iirc) entries.
12:04<kop>jasonharvey : Recall to login without a password you put the public key on the box that's granting authorization. The public key is the identifer.
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12:07<jasonharvey>ssh-agent is not still running
12:08<jasonharvey>my new public key and the authorized_keys file on the destination server do not match, but i can still login
12:09<Koston>maxb, here ya go
12:10<maxb>jasonharvey: have you checked for a remote authorized_keys2 file?
12:10<Koston>had to bump it to 0.1.2 since 0.1.1 was already used by debian, probably just to distinguish it from the ubuntu 0.1.0 package
12:10<jasonharvey>yep, no authorized_keys2 file
12:10<jasonharvey>is it possible that i happened to land in the weak key space with my new key?
12:10<themill>jasonharvey: you don't have your old private key around still?
12:10<jasonharvey>nope, i have entirely gotten rid of it
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12:11<jasonharvey>wait, found it. had host based authentication with my old host keys
12:11<maxb>Koston: But 0.1.2 will almost certainly be used by Debian in the future... so that's not good either
12:12<jasonharvey>thx for the assistance :)
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12:16<Skrat>I saw
12:16<Skrat>I say. *
12:16<Skrat>Why isn't IPFW installed by default?
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12:19<fxiny>4 is the Sun magic number
12:20<fxiny>oh we have a sploit ready
12:20<styx>erm.. ip route flush all is ... not so good, right?
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12:52<wagnux>alguém na sala?
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12:54<Koston>probably old, but kinda funny still ;)
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12:56<fxiny>indeed : i can see the ubu funny side of it :P
12:56<fxiny>a fatal blow !
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12:58<fxiny>vultures over the hills ...
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12:59<fxiny>tomorrow i'll replace my unfixed box and i'll try the perl sploit
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13:00<fxiny>is a f* bruteforce 65.536 files thing : very noisy :P
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13:03<hds>Hey :D I need devel-tool to the linux-kernel-2.6.18-6-686 - what do I have to type in apt-get ? Im new to db
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13:03<Skrat>apt-cache search linux-kernel
13:03<Skrat>Then copypasta the right name. :P
13:04<RalfG2>hi there, trying to fix DSA 1571, I wrecked my sid system: apt-get update segfaults - I think it is connected with a missing (or similar).
13:04<RalfG2>I replaced the lib by a link to a newer file - but at some point the crash returns
13:04<RalfG2>probably I need to get a older version of apt-utils (where?)
13:05<Skrat>hds; that was to you
13:05<hds>I have linux-kernel-headers installet - but VirtualBox stil says that I mis devel :(
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13:05<RalfG>and /usr/lib/
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13:06<RalfG>i n case anybody has these files on their HD, please call
13:06<RalfG>how can I find out what libc6 version is loaded NOW?
13:07<Gathond>dpkg -l libc
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13:07<Gathond>or more likely dpkg -L libc6
13:07<Gathond>and check which files it contains
13:08<RalfG>I doubt that libc6 is replaced in a running system immediately after update?
13:08<Gathond>ahhh, sorry, I had read that as libc6 and completely skipped the libapt part
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13:08<Gathond>libc6 would be replaced immediately, and apply for any new process trying to use it
13:09<RalfG>how come adept and synaptic try to access /usr/lib/ then?
13:09<Gathond>however libapt is clearly not libc6, it was my eyes not bothering to connect the rest
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13:09<Gathond>because they all use libapt to do its stuff
13:09<Gathond>apt-get, aptitude, other package tools in debian are usually just frontends to libapt
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13:11<RalfG>Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
13:11<RalfG>[Switching to Thread 0xb7101720 (LWP 17655)]
13:11<RalfG>0xb7ef54b0 in pkgCacheGenerator::NewFileDesc () from /usr/lib/
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13:12<RalfG>there is no recent package for libapt-pkg-libc6*
13:13<RalfG>all I can do here is download packages and install with kpackage or dpkg
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13:13<Gathond>that lib is in the apt package
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13:14<Gathond>not the exact same version here though, but that is probably just because I use unstable here
13:14<piju>hello, can i ask something ?
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13:15<cmot>Yo all!
13:15<cmot>Anybody is a network manager (or network-manager-kde) expert?
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13:16<cmot>I'm in some hotel where the wifi has an essid of "Hôtel du Nord"
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13:16<cmot>network manager (through the kde applet) refuses to connect to that.
13:17<themill>cmot: great :)
13:17<cmot>themill, exactly my thought...
13:17<themill>cmot: you could try telling the frogs to not be so damned accurate with their accents :)
13:17<cmot>(obviously, somebody close by has a net with essid default and no encryption, so that's as well... :-)
13:18<themill>cmot: Have you scanned with "iwlist wlan0 scan" (or similar)?
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13:18<cmot>themill, yep, and it displays it correctly
13:18<RalfG>Seems to be related to bug Bug#441980 - /usr/bin/apt-get: apt-get update segfaults at pkgCacheGenerator::NewFileDesc
13:18<cmot>But iwconfig will not config the accent.
13:18<themill>cmot: if you put quotes around it does that help?
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13:18<cmot>(going for "Htel ..."
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13:19<cmot>themill, I suspect a utf8/latin1 problem, but I'm not sure how to call iwconfig giving it a latin1 string the easy way
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13:19<cmot>(without configuring my whole environment to latin1 first, that is.)
13:20<cmot>themill, I suspect the password will have the same as well, as it was told me the pass is "hotel"...
13:20<cmot>Which could be with or without accent and in any kind of capitalization
13:20<cmot>looking throught bugs.d.o now ...
13:20<RalfG>apt doesn't crash when I uncomment most if sources
13:20<debacle>Hi all, is there anyone can help with ip command ? i'm reading LARTC_howto and i need clarifications. quoting from the how to: ip route add $P1_NET dev $IF1 src $IP1 table T1 $P1_NET be the IP network $P1 is in.
13:20<themill>cmot: you could try LANG=C iwconfig etc...
13:20<debacle>what is $P1 ? is it ???
13:21<themill>cmot: anyway.. gotta run myself now. Good luck :)
13:21<cmot>themill, but the string on the cmdline would still be in utf8
13:21<cmot>themill, thanks anyway, bye
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13:23<RalfG>need to remove these packages 1st: adept adept-common adept-installer adept-manager adept-notifier adept-updater apt-file apt-show-versions aptitude
13:23<RalfG> debtags freenx libapt-pkg-perl libept0 libpq-dev libssl-dev nxserver nxtunnel-client nxtunnel-server openssh-server ssh
13:23<RalfG> synaptic
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13:23<RalfG>sry for nl
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13:24<debacle>can anyone help please ?
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13:25<Koston>sure, lemme just rub my crystal balls to figure out what you need help with, and I'll be right on it..
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13:26<Koston>ah there, backlog ;)
13:27<RalfG>debacle: what's your deb-acle?
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13:28<maxb>debacle: You need to explain more, so people can help you without having to read the LARTC-howto themselves
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13:32<kop>I just upgraded openssh and regnerated a dsa key, and the first 84 bits of the new key are the same as the old key. This sounds improbable. Anybody else see anything weird like this?
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13:35<fxiny>kop: mine is ok
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13:36<NinjaMan>I've noticed that when I restart the bind9 service it reloads the squid config automatically - does anyone know how it does this and from which script?
13:36<debacle>RalfG / maxb : i'm reading LARTC_howto and i need clarifications. quoting from the how to: ip route add $P1_NET dev $IF1 src $IP1 table T1 $P1_NET be the IP network $P1 is in. What pratically is $P1_NET ? is or is my wan "network IP"
13:36<NinjaMan>because I have to squid instances and it is only reloading one
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13:37<maxb>debacle: You're missing the point. I don't know what LARTC is. Possibly no one here does.
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13:37<maxb>But there's surely people, me included, who know a bit about routing
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13:39<debacle>maxb: sorry. i'm in trouble understanding the meaning of the "ip route add" command. I'm trying th load balance my lan to 2 gateways.
13:39<kop>I just generated 2 more dsa keys with "-N ''" and got the same 84 bits to start with for both! (The public part of the key.) This sure looks wrong. I didn't reboot or anything, should I have?
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13:41<kop>fxiny : Try something like this, twice, and check the first bits of the public part of the key pair: ssh-keygen -f /var/tmp/testkeyagain -N '' -C 'a second test key' -t dsa
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13:42<ravenbird>the LARTC HOWTO can be found at
13:42<simonrvn>Linux Advanced Routing something something
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13:43<debacle>considering this ex: ip route add dev eth1 src table T1.
13:44<debacle>i can't understand the meaning of ?
13:44<NinjaMan>simonrvn - Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control
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13:45<debacle>simonrvn: i'm just reading it .. my problem is understanding what $P1_NET is.
13:45<fxiny>kop: they are different
13:45<simonrvn>thank you
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13:46<kop>fxiny : Thanks. Maybe it's something system specific.
13:46<fxiny>kop: try the sploit on it
13:46<simonrvn>which page is it?
13:46<kop>fxiny : Good idea.
13:47<debacle>simonrvn: page 19 if you have the pdf version
13:47<fxiny>kop: got the url ?
13:47<fxiny>kop: > Subject: openssh: working exploit on bugtraq
13:48<debacle>simonrvn: just a sec ... i'm getting html page !1
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13:49<kop>fxiny : ssh-vulnkey says there's no problem with the key....
13:49<simonrvn>ironically i'm having issues getting to the site...
13:49<kop>fxiny : It could always be a new problem. I'll check the url
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13:50<simonrvn>p1 net is the network the p1 ip is in, that's all
13:50<debacle>simonrvn: yes !
13:52<Koston>hmm, no vulnerable keys in ext. gw.. *whew*
13:52<fxiny>kop: first day i've done DSA 1576-1 with which reported for bad and none for fixed, then DSA 1577-1 with vuln
13:52<simonrvn>say p1 ip is, and netmask is /24 the network would be, i.e,
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13:53<debacle>simonrvn: ok ! but what happend if my ip is a class A ip ? for ex. is the p1_net or ???
13:54<simonrvn>yes. why is that hard to understand?
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13:57<debacle>simonrvn: yes mean p1_net is or mean pi_net is ??
13:57<simonrvn>; why do you think it would be that's not in your network.
13:57<styx>debacle: apt-get install ipcalc
13:57<styx>that does all that stuff for you :)
13:57<Koston>HAH :D
13:58<Gathond>kop: both DSA examples there start with that same sequence
13:58<Gathond>kop: I think its a property of the base64 encoded key format
13:59<debacle>simonrvn: thank you ... i was paranoid by the fact that can reach all addresses (
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13:59<simonrvn>it's a routable ip, of course it can. all depends on how you do the routing for it.
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14:00<catlee>I'd like to start making .deb packages available for my company's software. We release builds pretty much every day, so I'd like to have users be able to track both the major.minor releases as well as the major.minor.daily releases
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14:01<debacle>simonrvn: thank you again ... i think i have to offer you a lunch !!
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14:01<debacle>simonrvn: it's not free software but ... :-)
14:02<Gathond>kop: as I understand the quote from rfc4253 the base 64 part of the .pub key starts with a key format identifier, followed by the actualy key, in that case 2 keys of the same format would have the same beginning
14:02<catlee>My first idea is to release packages with names: foobar_X.Y.Z and foobar-X.Y_X.Y.Z
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14:03<kop>Gathond : Thanks. Makes sense. (But why didn't fxiny's keys have the same beginning? I guess I don't care.)
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14:04<simonrvn>debacle: np =). don't worry about it :).
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14:04<Gathond>kop: you could run it throug uudecode (or anything else reversing the base64) and see if it is not slightly longer
14:04<Gathond>than expected
14:05<fxiny>kop: new > MIIBv old > MIIBug
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14:05<fxiny>bug ryulez :P
14:06<fxiny>kop: gonna check another box
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14:08<Gathond>kop: I'm not entirely sure it is there in all key formats, it seems to be specified for openssh in (section 6.6) though
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14:12<fxiny>kop: are we taslking public or private ? shows public
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14:12<kop>fxiny : I looked at public.
14:13<fxiny>kop: ssh-keygen -f /tmp/testkeyagain2 -N '' makes it private >> -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
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14:15<fxiny>kop: anyway . public first old/new bits are the same
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14:15<Gathond>kop: I'ce just base64 decoded my public one, and indeed the start is ssh-dss
14:15<fxiny>i still have the old around for "special" purposes :P
14:15<Gathond>kop: 4 bytes (length I think 00 00 00 07 and that string)
14:16<Gathond>kop: so those first bits are just the header field
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14:17<fxiny>AAAAB3Nza ?
14:18<Gathond>fxiny: in the base64 yeah AAAAB3NzaC1kc3MAAACBA
14:18<Gathond>that last bit is the same in the 2 keys I have here
14:19<fxiny>this ssh think is somehow positive
14:19<Gathond>13 bytes header
14:19<Gathond>so unless you generate a different type it should be the same
14:19<Gathond>or no, 11 bytes
14:19<Gathond>in my case anyway, that might differ
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14:20<fxiny>Gathond: right : i have a reason to read more , and do more ;)
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14:20<Gathond>the decoded one here is 00 00 00 07 ssh-dss
14:20<Gathond>the first 7 I suppose it a length field for the string
14:20<Gathond>so I suppose the string is variable length
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14:21<darkness>OMG: What's happening to debian product control??
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14:22<fxiny>darkness: nothing happened : the light will shine over the ignorance
14:23<deejoe>so, where's dpkg?
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14:23<fxiny>the world seems to give for granted the ssh-god-alike status
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14:24<fxiny>so debian can get things better then before
14:24<fxiny>i'm quite sure it will be like this
14:24<deejoe>seems like /topic ought to be changed until dpkg is available
14:24<fxiny>ssh was doiug things without control
14:25<fxiny>this is the naked truth
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14:26<fxiny>and all other distro were not checking as well
14:27<darkness>i guess you know all this already but there is this function: static void ssleay_rand_add(const void *buf, int num, double add)
14:27<fxiny>they say debian keys are to blame : why the f* they did not checked it ?
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14:28<darkness>Someone complained about the use of the buf pointer, so some debian people just commented out all use of the buf para
14:28<fxiny>is not a man fault
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14:29<fxiny>the world was accepting "unchecked/borked" keys : this is the fault
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14:30<sepski>darkness, debian is a community effort. so it's YOUR fault !
14:30<fxiny>how can a person be blamed ? what the machine are doing ? eyecandy ? no way , is totally unfair
14:30<sepski>and if your unappy with the QA you can pitch in and help :)
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14:32<catlee>where's dpkg?
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14:36<catlee>(dpkg the bot, not dpkg the program...)
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14:38<fxiny>the bot is busy rewriting a new set of Asimov rules for ssh-humans :P
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14:39<darkness>hehe. Actually no offence guys. debian chan does a great job :-)
14:39<Koston>try ircnet #linux and this channel is heaven
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14:40<darkness>Seems like a lot of old faces aren't here anymore, or not here today. Been a long time away from this chan.
14:41<Laeborg>i have just installed QT3, but when i try to run 'qconfig' i get followed error: 'Cannot connect to X server'
14:41*fxiny likes QT movies
14:42<Laeborg>i wan't to change en GUI style of skype
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14:42<sep>Laeborg, run it as the user you logged in as
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14:46<kurumin>alguem por aki?
14:47<noflash>darkness, they changed servers from to a couple of years ago...that may be why you don't recognize a lot of faces
14:47<Knorrie>'lo, my `X keeps crashing'... I do not see a really obvious error in the log...
14:48<noflash>kurumin, on
14:48<Knorrie>(i'm on testing btw)
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14:50<Laeborg>lol thanks sep :P
14:50<noflash>kurumin, maybe it's #debian-br on
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14:51<debacle>hi, how can i regenerate my ssh keys ???
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14:53<fxiny>debacle: why you want to regenerate your ssh keys ?
14:53<kop>fxiny : (The command did both public & private parts of the key.)
14:54<kop>Gathond : Thanks, I'm confident now.
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14:54<debacle>fxiny: iheard abuoy ssh/ssl bug. i've upgraded ssl from apt and now i know i have ro regenerate ssh keys and ssl certs. is this true ?
14:54<kop>debacle :
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14:55<fxiny>kop: correct , testkeyagain and . i've checked just testkeyagain , my bad
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14:59<fxiny>debacle: it is . quick notifications (and sometimes instructions) by subscribing to
14:59<fxiny>bofur: you are one day late :)
14:59<fxiny>debacle: ^^^
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15:00<fxiny>bofur: sorry , tab completion
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15:02<simonrvn>ravenbird: chaninfo
15:02<ravenbird>I'm on 3 channels: #debian/372, #debianppc/16
15:02<ravenbird>i've cached 388 users, 383 unique users, distributed over 3 channels.
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15:04<BlueG>why doesn't the netinst CD have a Gnome vs KDE option? What is the easiest way to get a KDE installation?
15:04<Koston>traditionally there has been some licencing issues with debian vs. kde
15:05<panagos>update-rc.d tor start 20 2 3 4 5 . stop 80 0 1 6 . : is this a good configuration for tor, if i want it to start at boot and stop at shutdown/reboot? or should i have it stop 20 0 1 6 . ?
15:05<debacle>fxiny: key regenerated ... anyway ... someone says the problem has not really be fixed ....
15:05<Koston>panagos, what about simply "defaults"
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15:07<panagos>Koston: thanks, didn't know i could do that :P
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15:10<BlueG>Koston: oh? what sort of licensing issues?
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15:13<cjac>do you folks think 50G will be enough for a mirror of etch + lenny amd64,i386,source ?
15:14<fxiny>debacle: i'm reading your link . blaming the mantainer is wrong
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15:19<Fredurst>hi, I got this error "undefined reference to `__stderrp'"... what i am missing? this package compiled without errors on other freebsd machine
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15:21<Koston>BlueG, don't really know or care, google is your friend?
15:21<debacle>fxiny: i agee. anyway some says that the problem is not fully fixed cause the entropy source for key generation is a uninitialized memory zome (combied to a pid and something else). Pratically an attaker could simply initializate a particular memory zone with known data to predict newly generated key again. I know it's really not easy to do .... but ... it coud !
15:22<Koston>BlueG, I faintly recall it having something to do with kde not being free enough for debian purists
15:22<sepski>Koston, but there are kde in debian...
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15:22<fxiny>debacle: i don't like ssh :)
15:22<Koston>sepski, oh, then it must've changed at some point
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15:23<Koston>sepski, I'd still be using twm if it supported virtual workspaces ;) (wmii now)
15:23<jthomas>How can I have OpenOffice use middle button to copy/paste like the rest of the Linux world?
15:23<maxb>debacle: That's not what the blog entry says, are you referring to a comment?
15:23<dondelelcaro>jthomas: it does, actually
15:24<fxiny>debacle: and if someone does what you said : chapeaux !
15:24<jthomas>dondelelcaro: not in KDE it doesn't:(
15:24<dondelelcaro>jthomas: it pastes with the middle button; I don't know if selecting text actually updates the X buffer, though.
15:24<jthomas>BlueG: install Debian with the net-install CD (50MB) and then edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to enable additional repos, then apt-get update and then apt-get install kde
15:25<Koston>dondelelcaro, same problem w/ Opera, has it's internal pastebuffer and acts quite funky sometimes
15:25<jthomas>dondelelcaro: even copying with [ctrl][c][ doesn't allow for middle-button paste
15:25<debacle>fxiny: you're right but sometines it's useful ... sometimes it's not convenient fling by air 1000 miles just to add an accout to a server. don't you tink ?
15:25<dondelelcaro>jthomas: they're different buffers, entirely.
15:26<jthomas>dondelelcaro: so how can i enable it to do what i want? or can I not? someone said Gnome allows it but bleh
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15:26<jthomas>If I highlight something and LEAVE IT HIGHLIGHTED, i can then paste it...
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15:30<dondelelcaro>jthomas: yes, that's pretty normal
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15:31<dondelelcaro>jthomas: there are something like 7 buffers for storing stuff to paste in X; selection is what does middle button. Some things, like emacs, propogate the current yank into it
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15:38<kop>cjac : No. Twice that. ish.
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15:39<maxb>dondelelcaro: There are only 3, I thought, of which only two are really used by the vast majority of programs?
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15:42<cjac>kop: srsly?
15:43<cjac>kop: etch i386 was 15G...
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15:43<dondelelcaro>maxb: ISTR there being more, but it's so ungodly complicated, that I can't really argue about it
15:44<maxb>there could be more, I guess, even more undocumented than the ones I've read about
15:44<cjac>I'm guessing etch i386,amd64 = 30ish; etch,lenny i386,amd64 would be 60ish, I guess...
15:44<maxb>But I doubt they actually get used
15:46<kop>cjac : I'm mirroring i386, amd64, and source and using 120G. Unless I'm doing it wrong. There was a time when they introduced a new arch and I got that until I fixed things.
15:47<kop>cjac : I'm not restricting the release, so maybe sarge is in there too.
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15:48<dondelelcaro>maxb: I remember now; it's the number of cut buffers
15:48<dondelelcaro>(and it's 0..7 cutbuffers)
15:48<dondelelcaro>I knew 7 had something to do with it
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16:03<panagos>hey, i have a problem, i run /etc/init.d/tor start, but it doesn't create a .pid file, so i can't stop it afterwards with /etc/init.d/tor stop!
16:04<Koston>check out the line it uses for start-stop-daemon in the init script and test it in the shell?
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16:04<Koston>if neccessary, use smth like strace to figure out what gives
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16:04<Koston>perhaps perm problem to pid dir or such?
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16:05<erKURITA>chances are the start script is trying to create the .pid file at a location you can't write?
16:05<erKURITA>(it's silly, but who knows)
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16:05<erKURITA>write to*
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16:06<Koston>for stuff like that, $tempdir with sticky bit on is most bestest
16:06<panagos>start-stop-daemon in run as "start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --oknodo --chuid debian-tor:debian-tor --pidfile /var/run/tor/ --exec /usr/sbin/tor --", but the pidfile isn't created nonetheless!
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16:06<Koston>well, ditch the "--quiet", check that /var/run/tor/ exists and is writable for the debian-tor user and see?
16:07<panagos>and root has access to /var/run/tor/ !
16:07<Koston>--chuid debian-tor:debian-tor ?
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16:07<Koston>dunno if it changes uid before or after writing pid file though
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16:08<Koston>probably after
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16:08<Koston>i mean before :D
16:08<Koston>sheehs. back to nethack ->
16:08<panagos>it seems the problem is that debian-tor can't write to /var/run/tor ?!
16:08<panagos>it was working a while ago, wtf?
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16:08<MajinMLF>hello, anyone know if their is an updated openssl-blacklist available? i have about 2000 keys which were generated on a debian etch with openssl - however the blacklist only identifies about 1650 as weak, the others are fine
16:08<Koston>don't get mad now I didnt break your system :D just calm down and fix it.
16:09<panagos>right, and maybe issue a bug in the process :)
16:09<Koston>majinmlf, only updated openssh-blacklist :-/ do let me know if you get ahold of openssl too.
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16:10<MajinMLF>i was using this list
16:11<MajinMLF>i thought the blacklist included all possible hash values - but something seems off - not all keys are recognized as weak
16:11<Koston>hmh. I'll dig into this. nethack is a waste of time anyway.
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16:12<LargeTrout>Is this a proper channel to ask a question about dh_make?
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16:13<themill>LargeTrout: here or perhaps in #debian-mentors, it depends on how in depth it goes.
16:13<MajinMLF>the blacklist.RSA-1024 and blacklist.RSA-2048 have each 164610 entries - so id like to know how the list has been generated
16:13<LargeTrout>ty themill, I was looking to know more about the --templates option for dh_make - any place where i can find more documentation about that would be much appreciated - as in what kind of customizations are possible
16:14<themill>MajinMLF: the metasploit pages linked to from the wiki detail that, I gather.
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16:14<Koston>themill, hah I misread "#debian-morons" 8-)
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16:14<MajinMLF>the README hints that the blacklist is taken from here
16:15<themill>Koston: no, that's #ubuntu (ohhh..... I didn't say that)
16:15<Koston>Hah! :{D
16:15<themill>LargeTrout: Hmmmm I don't know anything about the templates :(
16:16<themill>LargeTrout: although man dh_make has some details. See the FILES section and also look in /usr/share/debhelper/dh_make
16:17<themill>LargeTrout: tbh though, dh_make is usually only used as a tool to start off the process; you usually do a lot of extra work to the package before it's good quality.
16:18<Koston>MajinMLF, well, do you have keys that aren't 1024 or 2048 bit RSA keys?
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16:18<Koston>a lot of admins nowadays default to 4096bit keys..
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16:20<MajinMLF>no Kosten - they are all 1024
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16:21<MajinMLF>i have a script which verifies that also and either tries 1024 blacklist or 2048 - or print an error
16:21<Koston>ah. disturbing.
16:21<LargeTrout>ty themill
16:21<themill>LargeTrout: no worries
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16:21<LargeTrout>I want dh_make to copy over some files from a current directory over to the directory i want to work on first
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16:21<Koston>MajinMLF, I'll try to reproduce this.
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16:22<MajinMLF>so either the blacklist is incomplete or the problem hasnt been analysed correctly for openssl yet
16:22<LargeTrout>as in the dirs, rules, control, copyright, postinst
16:22<LargeTrout>I was wondering if i could tell dh_make via xml or something to copy over these files into the debian directory it creates
16:22<MajinMLF>i just wrote an email to - who created the blacklist for openssl it seems - i asked him if that is possible and how he created the list in the first place
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16:25<themill>LargeTrout: you normally only run dh_make once to start the process of debianising a source package. You can copy these things in manually yourself.
16:25<LargeTrout>that is true - I was wondering if the -t option enabled me to do the copying part
16:25<Koston>MajinMLF, as I gathered, the fault in code is same no matter which key is created with openssl
16:26<LargeTrout>and if so what format does dh_make expect :o
16:26<LargeTrout>i guess i can play with the option :)
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16:26<themill>LargeTrout: Templates are supposed to be in /usr/share/debhelper/dh_make .... that might help you
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16:27<LargeTrout>ah i see it now - i was going to try the same thing in a different way - i know i don't make sense - just thinking out aloud :)
16:27*LargeTrout bows before themill
16:28<themill>LargeTrout: pleasure to have been of service :)
16:28<jthomas>what is Citadel / citserver and why might it be running on my home computer??
16:28<themill>(and it makes a change to talking about openssl...)
16:29<LargeTrout>Citadel is a groupware kinda solution
16:29<LargeTrout> - perhaps a kitchen sink install did it for you?
16:29<Koston>MajinMLF, now that I think of it, the problem is much more likely broken code doing the check than the blacklist itself
16:29<jthomas>why would it be there?? this is odd...
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16:50<eldowan>is there a quick way to query dhcp for a mac address and get the corresponding ip address? dhcp3d
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16:52<Seb>eldowan: more generally, arp can do that
16:52<Seb>eldowan: arp/rarp
16:53<eldowan>i've set the mac to an ip address, but i won't respond. Known working host
16:54<eldowan>hmm. my kernel doesn't support rarp
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16:56*LargeTrout highfives themill
16:57<themill>LargeTrout: success, I take it :)
16:57<Koston>MajinMLF, I'm generating the vulnerable keys now, shouldn't take too long
16:57<LargeTrout>Not exactly but progress, -t copies over the files from the directory i want to the newly created debian directory
16:57<LargeTrout>i am new to this whole thing - still trying to understand the basics :)
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16:58<themill>LargeTrout: have you looked at the new maintainer's guide? /msg dpkg nmg
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16:58<LargeTrout>yeah i have the guide open but i am not thoroughly versed with it :)
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16:59<themill>LargeTrout: I don't think that people use dh_make very often at all (I have only every used it a couple of times). It seems to me like a tool that's not worth spending much time on as you're only going to use it once but the package management is an ongoing thing.
16:59<Koston>debian package creation tools are not perfect.. and sometimes downright nasty
16:59<LargeTrout>it doesn't help that i don't have the *actual* source - i mean i do have it but not the way the debian tools expect it - not the traditional .tar.gz with configure
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17:00<LargeTrout>but loads of diet coke, creedence clearwater revival in a loop and the threat of an impending deadline = work wonders
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17:00<Koston>heheh :)
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17:00*LargeTrout calms DrThodt
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17:01<Mirybr>and dont look back?
17:01<themill>LargeTrout: the lack of configure is not a problem, the lack of tar.gz needs a little work. Repacking the source first is an extra step. You would normally document that in README.Debian-source and if possible put the zip to tar.gz conversion (or whatever) into debian/rules as a target.
17:02<LargeTrout>themill: the challenge is working with our buildsystem ;) - Once i manually create a Makefile that will magically result in the creation of a deb, things will be easier
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17:03<LargeTrout>i never bothered with this stuff until two days ago and so starting from scratch has been rather interesting
17:03<themill>Koston: there's a growing collection of blacklists linked to or attached to the wiki page for all this ( Perhaps do the same for the ones that you've been working on or know of.
17:03<Koston>themill, I dunno how to edit that page, otherwise would've dunnit already
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17:04<themill>Koston: you just need to create an account on the wiki first
17:04<Koston>themill, but yeah, since I started with it, I'll create some more blacklists now
17:04<Koston>themill, lame..
17:05<admin>kd o povo
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17:05<themill>LargeTrout: You normally don't actually have a makefile that creates the .deb, just run dpkg-buildpackage in the dir above your debian dir.
17:05<themill>jthomas: no bot (and admin as gone anyway)
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17:05<jthomas>no bot, really?
17:05<witte>ravenbird: es
17:05-!-admin [admin@] has joined #debian
17:05<ravenbird>well, es is For Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es channel. Para los usuarios debian de habla hispana que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es
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17:06<mekoz>hi everybody!
17:06<admin>olá Pessoal
17:06<witte>the ravenbird bot seems alive
17:06<themill>admin: /join #debian-es
17:06<admin>algum brazileiro aí???
17:06<themill>witte: ahh excellent. ravenbird wasn't here either, earlier.
17:06<mekoz>but... thats not spoanish
17:06<witte>ravenbird: pt
17:06<ravenbird>rumour has it, pt is a Manuel
17:06<mekoz>is prtuguesse
17:06<themill>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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17:07<mekoz>I'm trying to move to testing from stable
17:07<themill>ravenbird: no, pt is <reply> Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
17:07<ravenbird>okay, themill
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17:07<mekoz>it is correct to edit apt/cources-list
17:07<themill>mekoz: you can't.... /msg dpkg reinstall
17:07<mekoz>and only make apt-get dist-upgrade ?
17:08<witte>mekoz: it should be ok, but yesterday someone experienced problems doing so, so your mileage may vary
17:09<admin>I am from Brazilian
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17:09<mekoz>Hi Admin!
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17:09<cjac>heh, fun :)
17:09<witte>mekoz: i would advise do first an update; then do the most important packages by apt-get install, than upgrade, than dist-upgrade
17:10<mekoz>witte : thanks!
17:10<Simy>This is more of a generic linux question then a debian one... but does anybody know if a hardware manufactuer would survive with the opensource/linux community in mind?
17:10<witte>mekoz: note that the path to testing is not yet paved with golden tiles at the moment :)
17:10<admin>alguem pode me explicar o q é isso
17:10<LargeTrout>Simy: Definitely but it really boils down to what kind of hardware
17:10<cjac>witte: s/than/then/g, btw
17:10<mekoz>admin: No hablo portugues, pero quizas sea facil que me entiendas en español.
17:10<mekoz>admin: me entiendes?
17:11<LargeTrout>themill: snap dh_make wants me to hit enter for confirmation :(
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17:11<Simy>LargeTrout: well I was thinking of starting with rebranding some laptops, and PC's, and moving into things like printers, scanners... modems... wifi card(s) things that I'm tired of not working for me :P
17:11<witte>cjac: well, i am not a native english speaker, i make a lot of typos :-), will try to remind ;-)
17:11<cjac>LargeTrout: there's probably an argument you can pass to avoid that
17:11<mekoz>admin: creemos que la mejor opcion es que entres a #debian-pt
17:11<LargeTrout>not for the confirmation :(
17:11<xayon>Hi there, I'm having problems with a sound card (something that never happened to me before, except for the headset output) this time never sounds, and modules seems to be ok, I've configured alsa with alsaconf and aplay -L show the right device. I've got an integrated sound card and another one, the one what I'm trying to use (because the other didnt work too). Any way to start on? Ideas?
17:11<mekoz>admin : ahi te daran soporte en portuguez
17:11<cjac>witte: np. People usually prefer that I say something rather than not, whether they will remember or not :)
17:11<admin>como faço isso?
17:11<LargeTrout>ill probably dh_make -s < newline after echo /n > newline
17:12<mekoz>admin: teclea /j #debian-pt
17:12<LargeTrout>Simy: there are companies that already do that (Emperor Linux for one)
17:12<LargeTrout>Simy: so yes it is viable
17:12<Simy>LargeTrout: emperor linux, do they make printers :) ild rather buy from them then make my own company ;) just couldnt find anything googling
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17:12<LargeTrout>simy: just laptops
17:13<Koston>hmm, take ssomething like 40 minutes on my work box to generate 32768 1024bit rsa keys :P
17:13<Simy>LargeTrout: ohhh, so no printers yet?
17:13<LargeTrout>simy: printer support is really in the OS yea? I mean there are lots of people working on printer drivers for linux
17:13<cjac>Koston: why are you generating 32k keys?
17:13<LargeTrout>I guess you can sell "linux certified printers" with the proper drivers ;)
17:13<admin>tem orkut?
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17:14<Koston>cjac, to test the blacklist & script provided by ubuntu
17:14<Simy>LargeTrout: Well I've been thinking if a sombody or some company made linux ready/real devices... it would show theres a market for it.. and probibly encourage the old stubborn companys to recognise us as purcherses
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17:15<cjac>Koston: don't they recommend >= 2Kbit keys these days?
17:15<cjac>"they" being the paranoid security types
17:15<Simy>I once read that the linux and open source community are looked at as people who steal, borrow, etc... everything.. and presumably this is why no hardware is ment for linux... this is probibly thanks to microscrap though...
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17:15<Koston>cjac, yes yes, just want to confirm that the blacklist is accurate and the code works that ubuntu is providing
17:15<cjac>Simy: meh, there's been FUD of that flavor, sure
17:15<Simy>we all know there such a becan of truth, roflol
17:16<LargeTrout>something like
17:16*cjac is idling while waiting for the "becan of truth" to call him for an interview
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17:17<LargeTrout>Microsoft's intentions and acts might be devious but they provide enough motivation for the linux camp to succeed and for that I don't mind having them around
17:17<Simy>cjac: lol.... really? should make good money while there still around tho... and i fear they may be around forawhile :(
17:17<Simy>thanks LargeTrout!
17:17*LargeTrout nods at Simy
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17:17<Simy>LargeTrout: eh... they just dont play fair... but then again, with billons of revenue at steak.. im not sure ild play fair eigther...
17:18<LargeTrout>The hardware market is way more tolerant of Linux now - i remember the nightmares with windmodems, the intel wireless and other graphic troubles when X was still young
17:18<Simy>LargeTrout: thats actually why i had originally abandond linux...
17:18*LargeTrout crawls back to his well
17:18<LargeTrout>Simy: heh
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17:19<xayon>Oh... you've remembered me my old modem with "eagle" drivers LargeTrout ;)
17:19<Simy>I couldnt get anything meaningfull to work.... but then windows 98 kept crashing... i said, well i can have a system that works sometimes, and works with everythign when it does.. indeed work... OR i can switch to linux and show my support for them, etc etc.. so i dual booted up untill XP came out, got a new computer (laptop) dual booted then too... just havnt really used windows... so i got rid of it...
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17:20<cjac>Simy: yeah, it's in their dynamic languages group. the folks who produce this: svn://
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17:20<Koston>different operating systems simply have different uses, and any commercial companys primary mission is to make profit and corporations have the tendency to get a little corrupt.
17:20<Koston>there are many places where linux is simply not very practical
17:21<cjac>Simy: kvm, xen, and friends eliminate the need to dual-boot, I hear
17:21<LargeTrout>Windows still has it's uses - I am a gamer and I think Windows Media Center is pretty decent. My machines at work and a couple machines at home run Linux but even on my trusty 2 week old thinkpad, i finally had to give in and install w2k through vmware for one application
17:21<cjac>Koston: ya' think? :)
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17:21<xayon>Simy, I migrated to linux finally because my main computer doesnt have good windows audio drivers (it has, but hp didn't gave me them), That was when I was 10y.o :D
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17:21<pgimeno>Sorry for the dumb question... What is an .udeb?
17:21<Simy>xayon: I wasnt that smart when i was 10, lol...
17:22<Simy>cjac: hmmm let me go search those terms :)
17:22<Simy>LargeTrout: yeah, windows uses are there because of how they market and FUD... otherwise they would be out of buisness by now...
17:22<Koston>cjac, well, linux still doesn't natively support mandatory access control, it only has vendor-specific tools for centralized management, etc. etc.
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17:22<cjac>Koston: selinux isn't mature enough for you?
17:22<Koston>it's nice in servers but desktops.. hmmh..
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17:23*Simy needs to remember on a space-saving binge, not to remove important libraries without actually reading what they do or are required by.... :/
17:23<LargeTrout>selinux killed my kitten and stole my mini cooper
17:23<cjac>Koston: it's getting there. :)
17:24<Koston>and when I really get hacky, I frown at linux because it's such an adhoc glueball :P
17:24<cjac>LargeTrout: yeah, you have to keep an eye on it...
17:24<Simy>LargeTrout: its gota go get the honnies, you expect it to do that without a puppy or kitten?
17:24<pgimeno>Should I install the .udeb files which come with the openssl update?
17:24<Koston>but linux is good for getting things done most of the time
17:24<cjac>Koston: heh, that it is!
17:24<cjac>Koston: once you get it working, it keeps working (most of the time) :)
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17:25<Trout|GoneFishing>what's the policy on idling in this channel?
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17:25<Simy>i dont think there is an offical pollicy Trout|GoneFishing
17:25<Koston>cjac, yeah.. it's the little things.. like generating a kernel crashdump
17:25<Simy>eh, you guys are way over my head
17:25<Trout|GoneFishing>ok ill be here for a while then
17:25<cjac>Simy: then don't join #debian-devel
17:25*Trout|GoneFishing pitches his tent and breaks out the beer
17:26<Simy>I'm a user who knows how to use a system that I use.. used to know how to use windows... now i know enough to be dangerous with windows, lol
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17:26<Simy>cjac: dont worry, i wont ;) wouldnt understand anything, heck can barley understand this room... but lotsa links keep me learnin :)
17:27<cjac>Simy: did you read about kvm and xen? also look at uml (user-mode-linux)...
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17:27<Simy>cjac: I was ok learning C++ up untill i dereferenced my head, and my pointer was misplaced :::head explodes:::
17:27<Simy>kvm as in the switch for keyboard etc etc?
17:27<cjac>Simy: no :)
17:27<Simy>will keep reading tho :)
17:27<cjac>kernel virtual machine
17:27<Simy>ahhh was the next link :)
17:27<cjac>there's a #kvm on freenode
17:27<Simy>i use virtualbox right now... with winxp for the 2 things i need to do once a year with winblows...
17:28<Trout|GoneFishing>Tsk tsk, the first thing you have to realise is to respect your opponent, however devious and evil it might be ;)
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17:28<Simy>Trout|GoneFishing: I do respect them, but i can still wish they were taken down...
17:29<Simy>if a linux company had half the PR budget windows did, theyld be hurting badly financially
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17:29<xayon>Arrgh, I cant make that silly sound card work :(, I dont have ever speackers (I have headphones and two speackers without cable, I suppose I can do something with that ;) )
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17:30<Simy>xayon: whats wrong with your audio again?
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17:31<Simy>xayon: you sure its not the hardware of like the headphone j ack etc?
17:31<xayon>Simy, Don't know, that's the problem. The modules are loaded, the sound card seems ok, it doesnt return any error messages (mplayer and alsaplay) but there's no sound
17:31<Simy>my B130's jack was unstable at one time.. but then suddenly worked... (happend in win and lin) ?!?!
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17:32<Simy>xayon: you sure your sounds turned up, and maybe you might have a manual volume knob somewhere... maybe?
17:32<xayon>Simy, I'm not sure if the card works at all, I dont have any other os to try on ;), but I've got two cards, one of them works, and I've got no sound with any of them
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17:33<xayon>Simy, No, sound is on, and at the higher level. And headphones... well, now I'm trying them with my mp3 player and they work
17:33<Simy>xayon: roflol
17:33<Simy>xayon: its always somthing stupid that you just overlooked because you hit a brickwall going a big faster then you were sopposed to... er is that just me? ;)
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17:35<xayon>Simy, what? I barely understand what you've said... What has to do a brickwall with my sound card? ;)
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17:36<Simy>you ran into an obsticle (eg a brick wall) then i threw in some poorly placed humor
17:36<xayon>Simy, mine was a joke too. Meanwhile I'm trying to compile alsa from the sources (don't worry, with module-assistant)
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17:36<Simy>did you find a pair that did work with a known good device?
17:37<Simy>xayon: im not worried you seem more experienced then me ;)
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17:37<xayon>What's a pair?
17:37<Simy>a pair of headphones.... you said they werent working with your mp3 player?
17:38<xayon>Simy, I said they WHERE working with my mp3 player :D
17:38*Simy appologises as im not quite with it
17:38<Simy>ohhh er, again, read above line ;)
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17:39<shilow>i need some help i just did a full system upgrade is there a way to reconfigure everything i've googled but i'm not finding anything and my system is now using 900mb ram on boot with just X running
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17:40<Simy>shilow: dpkg--reconfigure?
17:40<xayon>Simy, I said they WHERE working with my mp3 player :D
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17:40<Simy>xayon: yes yes yes, i saw that i appoligized... actually i believe i parsed my previous apology... yay a big almost-alien word for me and i used it.. :D
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17:41*Simy really needs to tear appart my laptop and plug the touchpad back in... this no mouse thing is getting annoying when im outside...
17:41<xayon>Simy, Typo: I send the previous message instead of saying i'm lefting, i'm going to throw a sound card trought the window
17:42<Simy>xayon: i know how that feels :(
17:42<shilow>whats wrong with you sound?
17:42<Simy>shilow: is dpkg --reconfigure what you were looking for?
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17:42<shilow>i'm trying dpkg-reconfigure --all
17:42<xayon>Simy, no, I'm talkin seriosly, I'm going to throw it and reboot... I'll try to make work my integrated sound card instead
17:43<shilow>make sure you are in the sound group
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17:43<shilow>it'll stop yoru gard from working with a gstreamer error
17:43<shilow>card even
17:43<xayon>shilow, I'm and sound is not muted, and aplay -L gives me the correct info, and i got no errors from aplay nor mplayer ...
17:43<shilow>simy, the problem i'm having is it's still loading everything from my old hardware
17:44<shilow>and chewing my resources up
17:44<shilow>just nothin commin out ?
17:44<shilow>u disable the onboard sound int he bios?
17:44<shilow>it may be using yoru onboard one if not
17:44*Simy is gona shutdown to get the stupid touchpad working
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17:45<xayon>shilow, No, no sound :P, And no, I didn't do it but I've tryed to configure the onboard sound too, and it doesnt work :D
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17:45<shilow>what ver u using
17:45<Koston>neato, I think I in fact found a new attack factor, although quite unlikely unless I can also find some program which would be prone to it
17:45<shilow>etch lenny sid?
17:45<xayon>Shilow: lenny
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17:46<shilow>odd every sound card i've used has been plug n chug
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17:46<xayon>Wow, alsa finally compiled (I'm rebuilding it with module-assistant)
17:46<shilow>is you mp3 player showing it's playing ?
17:46<xayon>shilow, Yes...
17:47<shilow>and you have tried pluggin it into the onboard card
17:47<shilow>it'll default to one sometimes
17:47<xayon>shilow, too...
17:47<shilow>is that a yes?
17:47<xayon>Using alsa 1.0.16
17:47<xayon>shilow, yes :P
17:48<shilow>is it just with mp3 player or everything
17:48<jmanzano>alguien de mexico
17:48<xayon>The card is an ensonic pci card. With everything
17:48<xayon>jmanzano, no, pero hay canales de debian en español si quieres hablar en español
17:48<shilow>hmm thinkin
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17:50<shilow>its gonna wind up being something goody
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17:50<shilow>try disableing the onboard one
17:50<shilow>see if it does the same
17:51<xayon>shilow, I'm thinking on trying to use the onboard one instead of the pci one. (I found that pci card in the street :D)
17:51<shilow>hmm i'm reconfiguringm y sound right now i hoppe i dont break it
17:51<kop>Ugh. Finally got done re-keying ssh. That was annoying.
17:51<shilow>yea thats not good
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17:52<shilow>i've had bad cards freeze machines
17:52<themill>dpkg: wb
17:52<dpkg>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
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17:59<XayOn>Trying new configuration ...
18:00<shilow>uggg dpkg-reconfigure --all sucks
18:00<shilow>takes forever
18:00<Koston>why on earth would you want to do that :P
18:00<shilow>but it's loading 4863259 modules
18:00<shilow>did a full system upgrade
18:00<shilow>and ona clean boot
18:00<shilow>it's using 900mb or ram
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18:01<shilow>next i have to firue out why my eth0 is now eth1 and eth0 wont work
18:01<shilow>which is spazzin other shit out
18:01<Koston>just check /etc/udev/sometihng
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18:01<Koston>grep -ri eth /etc/udev/*
18:01<Simy>okies im back.. touchpad works now, stupid wire was unplugged...
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18:02*Simy feels better
18:02<XayOn>Still no sound...
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18:02<kop>shilow : /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
18:02<Simy>awe man...
18:02<Koston>kop yes, that one indeed :)
18:03<kop>Koston: Gets me every time.
18:03<shilow>so eth0 is bound to the mac address?
18:04<shilow>just remove the line?
18:04<Koston>even works for my advantage sometimes, when cloning boxes in vmware they automatically take care that they don't get IP collision since interface name changes *grin*
18:04<Koston>shilow yep
18:04<shilow>ahhh i was googling for hours
18:04<shilow>it was so anoying
18:04<Simy>can i speed up one mouse and slow down another, and if i do is xset m the way to do it?
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18:05<shilow>kos: should i just delete both lines then '/etc/init.d/networking restart' ?
18:05<Koston>you need to restart udev and reload the kernel module i think
18:06<shilow>so it would be best to clear the whole file
18:06<shilow>then it'll fix itself on next reboot?
18:06<Koston>just delete the one line and reboot if you feel uncertain
18:07<shilow>well if i'm assuming right the mac address will keep it bout to eth1
18:07<shilow>i'll back it up
18:07<shilow>see what happenes
18:07<XayOn>Finally, This time I forgot to chmod /dev/dsp :-) It works fine now... well, the other card must be dead...
18:07*Simy congrats XayOn
18:07<Koston>xayon, usually group 'audio' has access to those devices
18:08<XayOn>Thanks Simy . Koston well... I tought so, but it's not the case
18:08<Simy>XayOn: i was in the boat once... i didnt like it :(
18:08<Koston>then check udev rules or chances are the problem will be there again after next boot
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18:10<shilow>yea thats what i had to figure out too
18:10<XayOn>Koston, I know ;) . Well... I never use this computer for audio-related things, I've got an amuleweb daemon, a ssh server and so on... But I forgot my laptop charger, and i wanted to see peterpan no bouken's anime :)
18:10<shilow>i was flippin out because my main user had rights to sound
18:10<shilow>and the soundcard woulnd't work for any other users
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18:12<shilow>kos: got another question for you if i redo my custom kernel will it get rid of all the other bloat modules that are loading form my other mobo ?
18:12<XayOn>Now, a new problem: I havent got speackers ... :D Well, I have ones without cables...
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18:13<themill>shilow: there's almost no point in doing so. having modules around only takes up a bit of disk space
18:13<shilow>ahh so to yoru knowledge it sholdn't load anything unless it's there?
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18:13<Simy>shilow: or directed too... did you just swap HD's er somptin?
18:14<huobo>why are certain packages held back from being upgraded when an update is perform? and how do i force the update on those packages
18:14<shilow>i just put in new mobo ram cpu vid card ps
18:14<shilow>and kept my hds and fired it up
18:14<shilow>try that with windows
18:14<shilow>it'll tweak
18:14<themill>shilow: If things are compiled as modules, they will only be loaded through the use of /etc/modules, modprobe or udev events from plugging in hardware (hot or cold plug)
18:14<Simy>ohhh i know ;)
18:14<shilow>my /etc/modules is empty
18:14<shilow>i checked that
18:15<XayOn>By, I'll come in a few hours :D
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18:15<shilow>hmmm i need to find what is eating my rap
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18:16<themill>shilow: what's the output of free? (use a pastebin)
18:16<shilow>pastebin ?
18:17<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
18:17<shilow>dpkg can paste for me'
18:17<dpkg>shilow: I don't know, could you explain it?
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18:17<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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18:20<Simy>lol dpkg seems a bit defensive...
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18:21<Simy>dpkg: do you answer questions?
18:21*dpkg refuses to do you answer questions
18:21<themill>Simy: dpkg is down right rude sometimes.
18:21<Simy>apparently! >-|
18:21<themill>Simy: bloody thing asked me if I used windows and then told me to rtfm.
18:22<Simy>dpkg do you run on windows?
18:22*dpkg wouldn't dream of doing you run on windows
18:22<Simy>this is jsut too ammusing
18:22<Simy>dpkg loves windows
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18:22<dpkg>Simy: I give up, what is it?
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18:22<themill>Simy: /msg dpkg
18:22<Koston>pretty cool bot
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18:22<jtoft>Anyone have some patience with the ATI fglrx drivers? I'm having trouble getting direct rendering..
18:22<Simy>yeah, i soppose i could stop flooding the room, lol
18:22<jtoft>Can port my Xorg.log if it'd help
18:23<Koston>it's being very nice to me, I asked how it's doing and it's said everythings fine thanks :D
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18:23<jtoft>I've tried over 3 days trying to get this to work and I'm pretty over it. I could really do with some help.
18:24<shilow>Koston, for some reason my whole swap is almost empty
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18:24<witte>shilow: is that a bad thing?
18:24<Koston>which is just how it should be :)
18:24<themill>shilow: that's a good thing. 1GB of ram is a fair wack for a linux machine to run on
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18:25<shilow>i had way more free beofr ei upgraded
18:25<shilow>also i have 1.5 gb
18:25<shilow>and can only access 900
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18:25<Koston>ah, your kernel lacks option
18:25<Koston>see <kernel-package-name>-bigmem package
18:26<shilow>when i tried to redo the custom it dumped
18:26<Koston>I suggest not touching the kernel at all unless you want to use a version which is not provided by debian
18:27<shilow>i'm using a custom rightn ow
18:27<themill>jtoft: what's the output of lsmod | grep fglrx
18:27<Koston>and even then just grab the .config from latest kern version in unstable and use that as base
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18:27<shilow>there wa sa way i did it last time where i basicly made an image
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18:27<shilow>and justinstalled the deb
18:27<Koston>linux kernel config has never been easy, and it's turned into a nightmare with 3k options nowadays..
18:27<shilow>but this time when i tried it wouldn't boot
18:27<shilow>i got a error
18:27<themill>Koston: -bigmem is for > 4GB not for 1.5GB
18:27<shilow>yea it was simple in the 2.0.x
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18:28<themill>shilow: you need the -686 kernel not the -486 kernel if you are using debian packages.
18:28<shilow>i got away form computers for a few year s and now i'm confused with it i started on slack
18:28<Koston>themill, well, the non-bigmem one left me with only 900MB too..
18:28<themill>Koston: only if you had the -486 kernel
18:28<shilow>i have a athlon 64x2 but i dont want to run 64
18:28<Koston>themill, -686-
18:28<shilow>it makes installing packages suck
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18:28<themill>Koston: shouldn't do. If it does that's a pretty bad kernel bug
18:29<Koston>themill, well can't swear I used -686 since it was a while back, and can't check right now
18:29<shilow>god i'm still configuring
18:30<Koston>shilow, it's good for you ;)
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18:30<themill>Koston: if this was a sarge kernel, then yes, you sometimes needed to enable highmem stuff to get over ~900MB of memory.
18:30<themill>Koston: Also, sometimes the installer picks a 486 kernel instead of the 686 kernel which can cause this problem. But -bigmem is certainly not required for 1-4GB of memory.
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18:31<shilow>is the only amd kernel the 64 bit one
18:31<shilow>i dont want to use 64
18:31<shilow>because i use alot of multimedia apps
18:31<shilow>and i['m not sure if cedega works with 64
18:31<Koston>themill, ack. might've well been sarge, too, I maintain so many deb boxes for a living my memory portion for remembering debian issues is an overflowing FIFO
18:31<witte>shilow: did you use amd64 or i386 when you downloaded your netinstall?
18:31<themill>shilow: what's your current uname -r and arch
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18:32<Koston>there you have it ;)
18:32<themill>shilow: where's this kernel from? kmuto or etchnhalf?
18:32<shilow>i'll try the 686
18:32<shilow>it said intel so i didn't use it
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18:32<shilow>i made it with some howtoo
18:32<shilow>and forgot which one it was i used
18:32<shilow>some kernel source thing
18:32<witte>shilow: which processor do you have?
18:33<shilow>i really havnt' reconfigured anyting
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18:33<Koston>shilow, I seriously recommend you just add unstable as deb-src to sources.list, apt-get source kernel-blaa and compile with make-kpkg. just make sure the initrd stuff is done right *shiver*
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18:33<shilow>but when i did my dads machine i couldn't install mplayer and mencoder with 64bit
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18:34<shilow>kos: thats how i did it
18:34<shilow>i just forgot which howto i used
18:34<witte>shilow: that is 64bit? you can run the amd64, it is only the kernel optimized for 64, not userland
18:34<shilow>i'm running unstable
18:34<kop>I stick to stable. I prefer my computer work.
18:34<Koston>but in that case you can just apt-get install the package :D
18:34<witte>shilow: if you run the amd64 port, than everything is 64-bit
18:34<Koston>kop, ack, me too. still have plenty of sargen to update too ;P
18:34<shilow>kos: i didn't want to run 64 because most my apps wouldn't work
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18:35<Koston>besides, backporting single packages from testing or unstable is rather trivial mots of the time
18:35<themill>Koston: compiling kernels? stuff that. I've got better things to do with my life.
18:35<shilow>my install image was testing
18:35<shilow>then i upgraded to unstable
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18:35<themill>!sid upgrade
18:35<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead.
18:35<Koston>themill, like I said earlier, only if there's something you need and isn't provided in a binary for the distribution
18:35<Koston>themill, like I had to do to get VMI support tested out..
18:36<themill>Koston: :)
18:37<Koston>shilow, you just need 32bit compat libs for those few programs that don't support 64bit natively yet.
18:37<shilow>now i found the howto i used to do my kernel
18:37<themill>kop: agreed. I work with my computer not on my computer. If I wanted to spend my life unbreaking machines, I'd (a) run windows and (b) help on #debian. Oh.
18:37<shilow>i guess when i order my new hd
18:37<shilow>i'll go 64bit
18:37<Koston>themill, I have BSD boxen for playing around :-)
18:37<shilow>i'm just too lazy
18:37<shilow>i hate libhell
18:37<shilow>thats why i dropped slack
18:38<shilow>tried redhat for all of 2 days
18:38<shilow>and it was horrible
18:38<shilow>tried suse it was okay
18:38<shilow>then i found debian and was in love
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18:39<Koston>btw. any ideas for fingerprinting openssl rsa keys?
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18:40<shilow>kos: when i make my kernel from source i get some kernel panic
18:40<shilow>vfs error
18:40<shilow>i think it said
18:40<shilow>any idia how i fscked it up
18:41<Koston>yes, initrd was not compiled in properly and then it cannot load driver for locating your hard disk at boot
18:41<Koston>my guess.
18:41<kop>Koston : Mine too.
18:41<shilow>i'll study the howtoo longer
18:41<kop>shilow : Did you use make-kpkg? Read /usr/share/doc/make-kpkg*/*
18:41<Koston>you need to use --initrd for make-kpkg but then you need to make sure all tools are installed and configured which take care of creating the actual initrd image
18:42<Koston>and those tools freighten the living shit out of me
18:42<Koston>I just cross my fingers and pray
18:42<shilow>u would be correct
18:42<shilow>i missed this who le line
18:42<shilow> make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image
18:42<chealer>!tell shilow about enter
18:43<kop>shilow : You can use --initrd with whatever --buildeverythingandmore option make-kpkg has, although the docs arn't clear.
18:43<shilow>don't use enter as punctuation i know
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18:44<shilow>i guess i'll try it out, after iu finish my gigaconfigure
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18:49<op>Hi there
18:49<op>am I still connected?
18:49<shilow>kop: when using make-kpkg --initrd when it says kernel_image does that mean the one in /boot or the deb that i made?
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18:51<umi>Apparently I've inherited 8 Debian servers from the old tech who nicely forgot to leave the root password.
18:52<witte>!forgot root password
18:52<dpkg>i guess ifrp is 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For Lilo (e.g. pre-sarge): in step 1, 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting). Steps 2-6 are the same
18:52<themill>umi: lucky you. You've got some work ahead of you.
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18:52<witte>umi: you need hardware access
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18:52<umi>I've got hardware access
18:53<witte>umi: well, you can get the root password by doing what dpkg told you, and you should be fine... (or you could ask the old tech for the root password...)
18:54<umi>witte: I would love to but I can't he doesn't remember it
18:54<umi>witte: he set them up over 2 years ago and didn't write it down
18:54<k1lumin4t1>hey those dpkg steps for resetting root password have the third and the 5th steps repeated
18:54<k1lumin4t1>is it on purppose?
18:55<witte>umi: if he uses sudo, he can sudo su, set the password to something, and give it to you afterwards...
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18:55<witte>k1lumin4t1: rw and ro is something different ;-)
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18:55<k1lumin4t1>oh, I see
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18:55<k1lumin4t1>so why mount it rw first and then ro?
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18:56<witte>you need rw to be able to change the password
18:56<witte>don't know why you need to remount it to ro afterwards
18:56<k1lumin4t1>and why would you need to remount it ro afterwards?
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18:57<apostols>k1lumin4t1, ese
18:57<k1lumin4t1>apostols, I feel so alone
18:57<apostols>k1lumin4t1, ¬¬
18:57<Trout|GoneFishing>alt-0178 :o
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18:59<SullenMoon>Anyone have experience with the ATI proprietary drivers? And troubleshooting their problems?
18:59<SullenMoon>Everything's installing fine except the kernel src (module)
18:59<dpkg>it has been said that ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a partial list. <radeon>, <radeonhd>
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18:59<witte>!fglrx one-liner
18:59<dpkg>To install fglrx, first make sure you have contrib and non-free sources in your sources.list (ask me about <non-free sources>). Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
19:00<witte>SullenMoon:^^ did you do the thing above?
19:00<SullenMoon>Yea. and the Xorg.log is giving me issues saying that it can't load the fglrx module
19:00<witte>SullenMoon: can you modprobe the module.
19:01<witte>SullenMoon: modprobe fglrx
19:01<apostols>SullenMoon, aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-ati
19:01<k-man>how can i convert m4a files to m4b audio book files for my ipod?
19:01*Trout|GoneFishing sheds tears of blood over ATI drivers
19:02<SullenMoon>FATAL error running install command for fglrx
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19:02<SullenMoon>when I apt-get it
19:02<SullenMoon>it says
19:02<apostols>SullenMoon, Testing? Stable?
19:02<SullenMoon>recommends linux-image-2.6.18-1-686 or kernel-image-2.6.18-1-686 but both aren't installable
19:02<SullenMoon>etch -> lenny
19:03<SullenMoon>using lenny at the moment
19:03<themill>that's an ancient kernel.... something very screwy
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19:04<witte>SullenMoon: can you upload the entire error of what you are doing to a pastebin, because that seems strange
19:04<witte>!tell SullenMoon about pastebin
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19:05<SullenMoon>I'll post it on lisp, lemme grab it
19:05<themill>SullenMoon: also please pastebin your sources.list
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19:05<themill>SullenMoon: and apt-cache policy fglrx-kernel-src (while you're at it ;)
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19:08<sonhador>oi gente
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19:10<SullenMoon>kernel policy:
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19:12<themill>SullenMoon: where did 8.476-1 come from?
19:12<umi>!frp how come I have to do step 2 with fsck?\
19:13<umi>!forgot root password
19:13<dpkg>i heard ifrp is 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For Lilo (e.g. pre-sarge): in step 1, 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting). Steps 2-6 are the same
19:13<SullenMoon>one sec
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19:13<SullenMoon>directly from ati's site
19:13<SullenMoon>wasn't sure what you were talking about for a second
19:13<SullenMoon>pastebin is calling me a spammer and doesn't want to take my sources.list
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19:14<SullenMoon>only have the sources non-free main contrib for lenny
19:14<themill>SullenMoon: that's fine.
19:14<SullenMoon>and non-free main contrib for lenny as well
19:14<SullenMoon>simple soruces.list
19:14<witte>umi: i don't think that is really really needed, but just best practice
19:15<umi>just to make sure I don't get corruption?
19:15<umi>I guess resetting those passwords dosn't look *that* bad
19:15<umi>maybe a 3 hour job
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19:16<themill>SullenMoon: we don't really like ati's packages directly... we never use them ourselves :)
19:16<SullenMoon>Welll that's a party.
19:16<mike>Can anybody help me with X? I changed my hostname and now it says things like xauth: (argv):1: bad display name "myhostname:0" in "list" command, etc
19:16<SullenMoon>I've tried using the synaptic installler for the fglrx packages prior
19:16<SullenMoon>and it was giving me an error as well
19:16<SullenMoon>the same one in fact
19:16*Trout|GoneFishing sheds tears of blood over ATI's precompiled binaries
19:16<mike>And X takes a really long time to start and stop.
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19:17<themill>SullenMoon: what kernel are you running? (uname -r)
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19:17<SullenMoon>Just sucked because I got a Free X850 GTX and I'd love to get it up and running
19:17<mike>And, oddly, 2.0 also takes a really long time to get past the splash screen now, and opens its window in the background where I have to hit ALT+TAB to see it...
19:19<witte>umi: if you have physical access, gaining root access is pretty trivial yes (alternatively you also could put in a bootable cd, chroot to the root partition, and change the password like that)
19:19<SullenMoon>Spent -days- literally goiing through all of the ati-install FAQs, Forums, and Walktrhoughs
19:19<nevyn>gaining root access in a way which is undetectable remains difficult.
19:19<SullenMoon>and have pretty much gotten nowhere
19:20<themill>SullenMoon: I'd suggest getting rid of all the ati provided mess that you have there, then making sure that you lenny is actally up-to-date and then trying the debian way.
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19:20<SullenMoon>Alrighty, will do.
19:20<themill>SullenMoon: use dpkg -l \*fglrx\* to see what you've got installed.
19:21<themill>SullenMoon: You might also want/need to upgrade to a newer kernel to get the latest fglrx to compile.
19:22<witte>nevyn: how is that detectable (i can think of a few methods) but or you need to take precautions, or they can be simply circumvented by a malicious intruder?
19:22<witte>nevyn: just asking, I don't know that much about security issues etc
19:23<nevyn>witte: the point is that someone changing the root password is very obvious after the fact
19:23<nevyn>as is someone rebooting the system
19:24<witte>nevyn: ok, true, but adding a ssh key for the root account can be less obvious
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19:24<witte>nevyn: nevermind ssh disables root access by default
19:25<themill>witte: enable it while you're at it....
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19:25<nevyn>and if you've enabled it you deserve everything you get.
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19:26<witte>nevyn: you are right, but if umi got 8 debian boxes from an admin that does not know the root password anymore, i can image that these things could be unnoticed :-)
19:26<themill>I imagine that umi's new boxen need quite some updating too....
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19:27<witte>themill: yeah, probably, but his ssl keys will be pre-etch :P
19:27<nevyn>witte: I really don't want root to have a password
19:28<nevyn>does debian policy assure that renaming the root user is safe?
19:28<themill>nevyn: I'll bet that fails badly, in fact.
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19:28<nevyn>themill: :(
19:28<nevyn>themill: I bet so too which is bad.
19:29<nevyn>while somewhat security by obscurity having known valid administration accounts is undesirable.
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19:30<themill>nevyn: hardly even security by obscurity though, since things like su - and sudo need to default to the superuser anyway
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19:30<nevyn>they should be using uid 0 not the name "root"
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19:31<themill>nevyn: which still means that renaming the root user is no use
19:32<nevyn>themill: for local attacks sure
19:32<nevyn>for remote attacks is more what I'm thinking about
19:32<themill>nevyn: but you don't have any remote attack vectors for root on a sensibly set up machine
19:32<nevyn>themill: Correct however humans mess up.
19:33<nevyn>themill: some crappy web thing authenticating against pam with a buffer overflow. has a known account to attack
19:33<Koston>disable pubkey auth until you have confirmed there are no vulnerable keys in the system
19:33<nevyn>themill: that is privilaged.
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19:35<themill>nevyn: you've either got root directly there, or just access to the machine for the local exploit. No difference.
19:35<nevyn>additional steps.. are difference
19:36<nevyn>more steps is better.
19:36<themill>nevyn: not a different number of steps at all.
19:37<nevyn>biab going to the office.
19:38<themill>Koston: thanks for linking to your RSA keys from the wiki
19:38<SullenMoon>Here we go.
19:38<SullenMoon>sh: /sbin/lrm-video: No such file or directory
19:38<SullenMoon>FATAL: Error running install command for fglrx
19:39<witte>SullenMoon: what are you doing when you get that error?
19:39<themill>SullenMoon: what are you doing to get that?
19:39<witte>themill: :-)
19:39<SullenMoon>heh when I modprobe fglrx
19:39<themill>How have you generated fglrx?
19:39<SullenMoon>it was installed by the module assistant.
19:40<SullenMoon>shows up with dpkg as the correct version
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19:40<themill>SullenMoon: which is?
19:41<SullenMoon>updated to 2.6.24 btw.
19:41<SullenMoon>as suggested
19:42<themill>SullenMoon: looks good to me :)
19:42<SullenMoon>Eh. Looking good and working aren't the same thing, apparently.
19:42<themill>OK, so what's with this lrm-video? Do you have anything in /etc/modprobe.d/
19:43<SullenMoon>nothing that says ati anywhere on it
19:43<SullenMoon>but I have lrm-video ;)
19:44<SullenMoon>no idea why the modprobe is looking in sbin/lrm-video
19:44<SullenMoon>maybe it'd be.... worthwhile putting a duplicate of the /etc/modules/lrm-video into the sbin and praying?
19:44<witte>SullenMoon: does "modinfo fglrx" output something?
19:44<themill>SullenMoon: no. What's in that file?
19:45<SullenMoon>modinfo fglrx prints out ALL of the alias' for the ATI Firegl driver
19:45<SullenMoon>lemme check the modules/lrm-video file
19:45<SullenMoon>install fglrx /sbin/lrm-video fglrx $CMDLINE_OPTS
19:45<witte>SullenMoon: ok, so the driver seems to be installed and found correctly (at least at first sight)
19:46<themill>SullenMoon: that's what I thought. I have no idea what that utility is, but I don't have it and I don't have that file either.
19:46<themill>SullenMoon: (I'm using that driver backported to the etchnhalf 2.6.24 kernel)
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19:48<Koston>themill, yah finally got around to creating a login. hopefully i dont forget it by tomorrow :P
19:48<SullenMoon>Solution: Commne out lines in /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video
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19:48<SullenMoon>here we go
19:48<SullenMoon>now we're getting somewhere
19:49<SullenMoon>FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/misc/fglrx.ko) : Operation not permitted
19:49<dpkg>It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX
19:49<themill>SullenMoon: did you do it as root?
19:49<SullenMoon>Yea, I'm su'd in
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19:50<themill>SullenMoon: are you running under that 2.6.24 kernel?
19:50<witte>SullenMoon: i believe yesterday someone had the same, and in the end he rebooted and it worked
19:50<SullenMoon>uname -r gives me a 2.6.24-1-686
19:51<SullenMoon>I'll reboot in a second, there's a spool job going on right now
19:51<SullenMoon>On a good note, my image version matches my headers
19:51<SullenMoon>so that rules out that
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19:58<Web-sidux764>hi i wanna run mod_suphp in a virtualhost but mod_php global and its doesnt work.
19:58<Web-sidux764>mod_php and mod_suphp are loaded. mod_php works but su_php sends the source code and does not parse the php code
19:59<SullenMoon>Hey... think that when I do my lsmod and under drm it says radeon
19:59<SullenMoon>think that might have anything to do with my issue..?
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20:00<themill>SullenMoon: ahh... you want to prevent radeon loading. echo fglrx >> /etc/modules
20:01<themill>SullenMoon: or at least check that you don't have radeon in that file
20:01<Web-sidux764>he should'nt forgot to install the fglrx driver...
20:01<SullenMoon>it's been installed.
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20:02<Web-sidux764>good look with fglrx ;)
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20:03<Web-sidux764>ähm luke*
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20:03<witte>SullenMoon: you can rmmod radeon to try
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20:12<SullenMoon>will do
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20:19<SullenMoon>Now it freezes as soon as X starts
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20:20<themill>SullenMoon: hard lock up or just X crashing?
20:20<SullenMoon>hard lock
20:21<SullenMoon>Party and a half.
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20:24<AnGeL^BaChA>does anyone know how to add a new user on ZNC or how to kill the ZNC runing on a shell?
20:25<qq>AnGeL^BaChA: ZNC means what ?
20:26<AnGeL^BaChA>its irc bouncer
20:26<themill>SullenMoon: good luck with it... it's bedtime for me!
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20:29<AnGeL^BaChA>do u know how qq?
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20:38<BlueG>I am getting a maximum screen resolution of 800x600, but I suspect my hardware is capable of more. It seems in the past I actually edited a config file to make it allow a higher resolution and got it to work. Can something like this be done, and how would I do this?
20:39<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
20:39<witte>BlueG: and the file you mean is /etc/X11/xorg.conf (but the dpkg-reconfigure thing will do that interactively
20:41<berto>xorg.conf is the file
20:41<BlueG>witte, berto: this file seems not to have resolutions configured in it currently...
20:41<berto>it should detect them automatically
20:42<berto>if not, try shutting down X and running get-edit | parse-edid
20:42<berto>apt-get install read-edid
20:42<BlueG>I assume it is using some kind of default auto-detection... where can I find information on how to over-ride this and try a higher resolution
20:42<berto>with the command I've just told you :)
20:43<BlueG>that command didn't ask about resolutions, video cards, monitor specs, etc... mostly keyboard layout and such
20:44<berto><berto> if not, try shutting down X and running get-edit | parse-edid
20:44<berto>this one
20:44<AnGeL^BaChA>berto do u know how do i kill the znc?
20:45<BlueG>ahh. ok
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21:01<debacle>I 'm in trouble with postfix. mailq command report me error sending mail to some stmps. i got this error: timed out while sending message body. Can anyone help ?
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21:21<kelvin>some body here?
21:21<debacle>only me probably
21:21<kelvin>hi, might you help me?
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21:21<debacle>i do not know ... ask for example !
21:22<kelvin>I try this: apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common
21:22<shilow>yay all is working now
21:22<kelvin>but I get this: dpkg: error processing ttf-opensymbol (--configure):
21:22<kelvin> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 139
21:22<kelvin>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of
21:22<kelvin> depends on ttf-opensymbol; however:
21:22<kelvin> Package ttf-opensymbol is not configured yet.
21:22<dpkg>kelvin: You are moron #4
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21:23<shilow>does anyone know if it's possible to get compix to work with the nvidia drivers that come with xorg?
21:23<shilow>compiz, even
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21:24<craigevil>shilow: not with the nv drivers
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21:24<Jflesch>shilow: from what I know, the nvidia drivers coming with the Xorg server don't provide any 3D acceleration, so no
21:24<shilow>i updated to a custom kernel, and the nvidia installer wont build the driver
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21:25<kelvin>so I don't must use it?
21:25<Jflesch>shilow: it won't ? why ? if you link /usr/src/linux to [where your kernel source is], it should work no ?
21:25<witte>kelvin: don't paste here, use a pastebin
21:25<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
21:25<shilow>it is linked
21:25<kelvin>sorry what is pastbin?
21:25<witte>read what dpkg told
21:25<kelvin>ok I see.
21:25<Jflesch>shilow: hm, then you can try to specify to the nvidia installer where your kernel source is
21:26<shilow>usr/src/linux is linked to the kernel source i built the image with
21:26<Jflesch>I think there is a flag on the installer for that
21:26<Jflesch>(command line flag I mean)
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21:26<kelvin>someone can help me?
21:27<shilow>i'll chk thanks
21:27<witte>kelvin: paste your complete error in that pastebin so we can have a look
21:28<kelvin>witte here is
21:29<witte>kelvin: which debian version are you running?
21:29<kelvin>4.0 ETCH
21:31<debacle> 'm in trouble with postfix. mailq command report me error sending mail to some stmps. i got this error: timed out while sending message body. Can anyone help ?
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21:32<witte>kelvin: so something is wrong with the ttf-opensymbol package
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21:32<AnGeL^BaChA>does anyone know how to add a new user on ZNC or how to kill the ZNC runing on a shell?
21:33<kelvin>witte sorry but I'm new in this
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21:33<witte>kelvin: can you run this as root in a terminal: fc-cache -f
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21:34<kelvin>I got this: Segmentation fault
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21:34<rrm>hi room... now more madwifi-source in the deb repo?
21:34<rrm>or is it under non-free
21:35<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead., #madwifi @ No AR5008 support until 0.9.5.
21:35<witte>kelvin: yeah, so that is consistent with the error you got earlier
21:36<AnGeL^BaChA>witte do u know how to add a new user on ZNC or how to kill the ZNC runing on a shell?
21:36<kelvin>witte, oh then what you suggest?
21:36<witte>AnGeL^BaChA: no i don't
21:37<witte>kelvin: it seems to be a bug, I'm having a look if i can find a solution there
21:37<kelvin>witte, oh good..
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21:38<witte>kelvin, btw, it installed without problems on my etch system...
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21:40<kelvin>witte, what thing is installed? fc?
21:40<witte>dpkg --reconfigure fontconfig
21:40<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, witte
21:40<witte>kelvin: dpkg --reconfigure fontconfig
21:40<witte>kelvin: ttf-opensymbol installed, but the error is with fontconfig it seems (
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21:42<kelvin>witte I got that
21:42<witte>kelvin: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
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21:56<DrThodt>anyone know any good tutorials for slimming down debian to the absolute minimum
21:56<DrThodt>but not exactly emdebian
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21:58<Nemoder>'minimum' really depends on your needs
21:59<witte>!tell kelvin about downgrade
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21:59<Nemoder>but you can always do a regular install and then start selecting packages for removal in aptitude, if it removes something you really wanted then abort the changes
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22:00<DrThodt>Nemoder I mean to make a functional image fit in 1-1.25mb
22:00<Nemoder>ah that would be pretty hard to do with debian
22:01<DrThodt>think its possible with emdebian?
22:01<Nemoder>not familiar with that
22:02<DrThodt>I'm wanting to use debian for my linksys router
22:02<black_13>dendrite, yo man
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22:03<Nemoder>I believe the ease of package management in debian comes at a price of a bit higher space requirements
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22:03<Nemoder>although it's not too difficult to turn any PC with two network cards into a router
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22:03<Nemoder>I run debian on my old 200mhz machine for my router :)
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22:05<dendrite>black_13: Hola.
22:05<DrThodt>I'm wanting to do a PicoITX system
22:06<DrThodt>with a really small debian
22:06<black_13>dendrite, would mind talking in a private channel
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22:07<Nemoder>my router install disk usage is at about 380mb, although i have a lot of extra utils on there
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22:07<dendrite>black_13: I'd rather keep it in channel, unless there's a big reason to do otherwise.
22:07<black_13>dendrite, the last time we spoke i got my behind jumped for being off topic
22:08<dendrite>I don't recall, but give it a shot, and if it's obviously out of place, then we go from there?
22:09<black_13>dendrite, i have the same questions about quieting debian
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22:09<dendrite>black_13: Ah, right. That hardly seems off topic.
22:09<Nemoder>talking about offtopic is offtopic! er crap.
22:09<dendrite>Nemoder: Touche.
22:09<Nemoder>hmm quieting or quiting?
22:09<dendrite>black_13: Did you try redirecting output of /etc/init.d/rcS ?
22:10<black_13>i am about to try
22:11<black_13>how and where would i do that?
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22:11<dendrite>black_13: Edit that file, and add an &> /boot_rcS_log to the end of the exec line.
22:12<black_13>i was about to say that
22:12<black_13>i have to wait for debian live to build
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22:12<dendrite>The & means both stdout *and* stderr will get redirected. the *single* '>' means the file will be truncated before writing begings.
22:13<black_13>no problem
22:13<dendrite>black_13: A variation on /filename would be /dev/null <-- throw away all messages.
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22:13<black_13>send it to oblivion
22:13<dendrite>black_13: You might also want to leave off the '&', so if something errors, you'll see it -- that would make trouble shooting easier.
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22:14<dendrite>I know!!! redirect it to /dev/dsp, for cool sounds!!! =)
22:14<black_13>ah ... no
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22:16<black_13>so much for having high speed internet
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22:16<dendrite>Too bad you can't just cp an existing vm container.
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22:19<BlueG>do you normally need to alter configuration manually when you install a new video card?
22:20<kelvin>thanks dpkg!
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22:20<dendrite>BlueG: Not too normal, but not terribly uncommon either.
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22:21<BlueG>dendrite: what would you do to reconfigure?
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22:21<dendrite>BlueG: First thing I'd try is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
22:24<BlueG>dendrite: I just tried that, used the xorg driver and the kernel driver, both give me a black screen when it goes to x...
22:24<dendrite>BlueG: Play with the pixel depth, and other parameters. If the driver sets a mode at all, then you're actually fairly close.
22:25<dendrite>BlueG: Also be sure to google for your card + linux.
22:25<BlueG>dendrite: where do you set those?
22:25<dendrite>BlueG: Did dpkg-reconfigure ask any questions? If not, try adding -phigh to the command.
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22:26<gravity>-phigh doesn't do anything
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22:27<dendrite>Hmm. Well, I don't know then. I know I've seen dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ask all sorts of questions...
22:27<gravity>It doesn't do that any more as of lenny
22:27<gravity>It only asks a few questions. The server itself figures out what to do at runtime
22:27<dendrite>Oh. Is that a feature?
22:27<gravity>Less busy work
22:27<gravity>More adaptable to changes. More often than not, the server and drivers know way more than the user.
22:28<dendrite>Yeah, I can see that...
22:28<dondelelcaro>in the cases where it doesn't, the user probably knows more than the config script
22:28<dendrite>So... BlueG is SOL?
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22:29<gravity>If the user is smart enough to know what needs doing, they're smart enough to not want a config script messing with their xorg.conf
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22:29<dondelelcaro>gravity: sent my draft of my thesis off today, btw
22:29<gravity>BlueG: Can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a pastebin or somewhere else online that I can look?
22:29<dondelelcaro>gravity: when are you ending your tribulation?
22:29<gravity>dondelelcaro: Congratulations!
22:30<gravity>dondelelcaro: That's really fantastic
22:30<gravity>dondelelcaro: Heh, not for a few more months. Hopefully by the end of the year. I'm trying to get another paper in draft form. I'll present it to my committee and ask permission to write
22:30<dondelelcaro>gravity: nice
22:31<gravity>dondelelcaro: Do you have a post-doc or something else lined up already?
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22:31<dondelelcaro>gravity: yeah; going to be in riverside for another year pumping out as many papers as I can
22:31<gravity>dondelelcaro: Same lab?
22:31<dondelelcaro>gravity: doing work at USC too during that time
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22:32<dondelelcaro>gravity: yeah, but a side project that has started to dominate all of my time
22:32<gravity>dondelelcaro: Heh, I think that's how it tends to work out. Is that why you'll be in LA then?
22:32<dondelelcaro>gravity: we've been working on WGA of lupus recently
22:32<gravity>dondelelcaro: WGA?
22:32<dondelelcaro>gravity: whole genome association
22:33<gravity>dondelelcaro: Oh, nice!
22:33<dondelelcaro>gravity: yeah; I need to go somewhere else after I get a few more papers out of this project just to experience other labs
22:33<gravity>dondelelcaro: That's a really great project
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22:33<dondelelcaro>gravity: thanks; it's pretty neat. We've already had a few papers out of it; I'm just milking the rest of the data for a few more
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22:33<gravity>dondelelcaro: Nice
22:34<gravity>dondelelcaro: I may end up doing the same in my lab, waiting for my girlfriend to finish up her degree
22:35<dondelelcaro>gravity: ah; cool.
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22:35<dondelelcaro>gravity: yeah; sometimes it's worth it to stay on if you want to end up in academia... I just need to keep the papers coming.
22:36<gravity>dondelelcaro: So is that the track you're going to keep going on?
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22:36<gravity>dondelelcaro: Braving a hostile funding climate and whatnot? :-)
22:36<dondelelcaro>gravity: yeah... I worked in industry one year during grad school, and I really hate having a boss.
22:36<dondelelcaro>gravity: yeah; I just hope that things start turning around... they probably will by the time I'm through doing post-docs.
22:37<gravity>dondelelcaro: People keep telling me that it's cyclical, and that it'll blow over by that time.
22:38<gravity>dondelelcaro: I think the whole field has its fingers crossed :-)
22:38<dondelelcaro>heh; yeah.
22:38<dondelelcaro>I've been lucky to be attached to some people with massive funding, but it is always a problem
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22:39<gravity>dondelelcaro: Yeah, it's pretty well driving me out of the field I think
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22:40<gravity>dondelelcaro: I've been on the borderline for pretty much my whole time in grad school, but watching the current situation really makes me not want to deal with it
22:41<hikenboot>greetings all---on debian I am trying to install the nvidia version of the video drivers I am unable to find linux-kbuild-2.6.22-3 where do i find this package
22:41<dondelelcaro>hikenboot: you should upgrade to a more recent kernel
22:41<dondelelcaro>gravity: yeah; it's kind of sucky... though, there is something to be said for the fact that it's pretty easy to transition from academia to industry, but hard to do the reverse.
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22:42<hikenboot>thanks dondelelcaro
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22:45<ryan_>Does anyone know what the data offset for linux software raid is?
22:45<ryan_>I have a corrupt raid superblock on my RAID1
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22:50<dendrite>black_13: Good luck w/ your boot msg silencing.
22:50<AnGeL^BaChA>does anyone know how to add a new user on ZNC or how to kill the ZNC runing on a shell?
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22:50<dendrite>AnGeL^BaChA: Forgive my ignorance, what's ZNC?
22:51<gravity>dondelelcaro: Definitely. It's something me and Nicole were just discussing a few hours ago actually :-)
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22:53<ryan_>lvm is freaking out that the PV device isn't what it expects.
22:53<ryan_>I think :/
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22:54<dondelelcaro>gravity: heh; yeah.
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22:55<AnGeL^BaChA>znc is like psybnc
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23:21<TiEuAM> i have read that configure the kernel in 1000hz is ok for gaming server but not for hosting site, why ??
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23:22<TiEuAM>is it true ?
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23:25<simonrvn>too many interrupts make the cpu spend more time handling them than doing real work
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23:48<diego>hi, every time I boot it says select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out
23:48<diego>Unable to set System Clock to: incorrect time
23:48<diego>incorrect cause it also thinks the clock its utc
23:48<diego>and its local time
23:48<diego>any ideas ?
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23:55<DrThodt>and weee
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