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00:37<Steven-M>hi all
00:38<Steven-M>are there ham radio operaters here
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00:40<DrThodt>is there a way to recursively list down a given directory and cat the output to a file?
00:40<DrThodt>if so, can i get some help?
00:41<sirderigo>hi, i need to know , somebody know a linux desktop
00:41<sirderigo>his name start for ice
00:41<sirderigo>please help
00:42<Steven-M>DrThodt: ls -r > file I think
00:44<DrThodt>it doesnt go down all the directories
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00:49<DrThodt>hmm, Linux + Squashfs LZMA + BusyBox... small possibilities
00:49<DrThodt>small indeed
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01:00<saugart>I've been away for two and a half years; had brain cancer. Have some questions that I can't remember answer to. Where should I ask them?
01:00<DrThodt>seriously why is down
01:00<NinjaMan>can hosts.allow / hosts.deny prevent DNS replies?
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01:06<saugart>DrThodt: is unreachable for me, too.
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01:08<saugart> /msg dpkg paster
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01:21<billy12>b43 is debian stable
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01:39<lethias>anyone run enlightenment? I'm having trouble with my menus.
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01:42<DrThodt>anyone know any tutorials for removing fs support in the kernel build
01:43<jm_>why would you remove fs support at all?
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01:44<DrThodt>because i dont need support for 40 filesystems
01:44<DrThodt>just squashfs lzma
01:44<jm_>so don't load all the modules or whatever
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01:46<DrThodt>yea but i dont want them wasting space either
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01:46<jm_>you shouldn't be asking such questions if you're dealing with embedded systems
01:48<jm_>or building custom kernels
01:48<DrThodt>and the reason being?
01:49<lethias>I'm running etch with E16 and i'm trying to get the menu to stop scrolling up so fast and moving the mouse when it opens a submenu and ideas as to how to slow it down or change the the focus on the menu?
01:51<DrThodt>are you trolling me jm_
01:51<Requiem>Now this is interesting
01:51<jm_>DrThodt: absolutely not
01:52<DrThodt>then what is your reasoning
01:52<Requiem>Why would make work, but not make-dpkg?
01:52<DrThodt>if I'm developing for embedded systems why would I want to use space for features I will not have need of support for
01:53<jm_>DrThodt: that's not the question, it's the most natural thing to do
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01:53<DrThodt>I don't understand
01:54<DrThodt>The overall solution is minimalistic
01:54<DrThodt>so why do the opposite
01:54<Requiem>non minimalistic works on the widest variety of systems
01:54<DrThodt>but embedded is designed for a singular system
01:55<jm_>DrThodt: no you misunderstood me - it's expected that you'll trim down the kernel for it, but what I am saying is it's not *you* who should be doing it, but someone who knows more about it
01:55<Requiem>Though if you want to remove support for an FS, or anything else, run make menuconfig, and deselect the filesystems you don't want
01:55<DrThodt>oh, absolutely jm_
01:55<Requiem>then recompile the source
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01:56<DrThodt>but I don't have that luxury so I have to do it myself
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01:56<jm_>DrThodt: basically the process consists of creating a minimal config file that allows you to use the system, start with /msg dpkg which driver
01:56<jm_>DrThodt: and /msg dpkg kp
01:58<jm_>I think someone suggested GSOC project that will create kernel config for a system it's run on
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02:00<Requiem>would be nice, would also be buggy as heck
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02:01<DrThodt>tar -xjf is for .tar.bz2 right?
02:02<rss>hi, what do I need to run fbi on etch? it says it can't open /dev/fb0
02:02<rss>I have configured Xorg to use framebuffer
02:02<nevyn>DrThodt: yep
02:02<Requiem>are we ever going to get multithread support for the compiler?
02:03<DrThodt>right on
02:03<DrThodt>ive only been using linux for a day :_/
02:03<nevyn>DrThodt: but it's a really nonstandard extension
02:03<DrThodt>and freebsd for 5 days before that
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02:03<Requiem>You're compiling a kernel 6 days into starting unix?
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02:03<DrThodt>yes sir
02:03<DrThodt>im hoping to have it on my router in 2 weeks
02:03<nevyn>do you know about hardware?
02:04<Requiem>That almost tops the freind who tried Gentoo for his first distro
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02:04<DrThodt>im semi genius
02:04<DrThodt>so i hatt nmy side
02:04<nevyn>DrThodt: do you know about os's?
02:04<Requiem>What kind of router?
02:04<DrThodt>e basics
02:04<DrThodt>i know aboutprogramming
02:04<DrThodt>i dont like openwrt too much
02:04<DrThodt>and dd-wrt is a bastard distro
02:04<rss>DrThodt: what's been your primary OS?
02:05<DrThodt>nevyn you said .tar.bz2 was nonstandard?
02:05<DrThodt>its at
02:05*Requiem ponders using ReiserFS to cram more onto the tiny flash drives the routers have
02:06<nevyn>openwrt is pretty good imho the compramises that have to be made for a small system like that are hard
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02:06<DrThodt>no its good
02:06<DrThodt>but still too large, and not as custom as id like
02:06<nevyn>DrThodt: no -j as a tar option is only on gnutar
02:06<DrThodt>i dislike dd-wrt because its just a rip of openwrt
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02:06<DrThodt>so tar -xzvf should do .tar.bz2 right
02:07<nevyn>z is for tar.gz
02:07<nevyn>or tgz
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02:07<DrThodt>so then what would be non deprecated for .tar.bz2
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02:07<Requiem>Try using Ark (the graphical) much easier than navigating the awful help file for the tar program
02:07<jm_>DrThodt: tar xfj
02:07<DrThodt>im 100% console
02:08<DrThodt>why is xfj better than xjf
02:10<DrThodt>I concur
02:11<nevyn>DrThodt: I didn't say it was deprecated..
02:11<nevyn>just not standard.
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02:11<DrThodt>how can you say not standard though
02:11<DrThodt>when its used at
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02:11<DrThodt>what makes it non standard
02:11<nevyn>so it won't work on AIX or Some Crap Other Unix
02:12<nevyn>DrThodt: bz2 is a fine file format well understood
02:12<nevyn>the -j option to tar only exists on SOME tar's
02:14<DrThodt>anyone know whats going on with that
02:15<Requiem>ok, this is bizzare
02:15<jm_>!b-e DrThodt
02:15<dpkg>DrThodt: Sounds like you need to install build-essential.
02:15<jm_>!tell DrThodt -about menuconfig
02:16<jm_>!yes or no
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02:16<Requiem>using make-kpkg fails on kernel compiles when Xen guest support is enabled in the config
02:16<Requiem>make works fine
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02:20<DrThodt>apparently you cant do it over ssh
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02:21<R2r>!beer r2r
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02:22<R2r>Ok i got debian now i want to stripe it of all the extra's it has and just keep modules of half-life that is WINE and FLUXBOX how to do it?
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02:24<R2r> Ok i got debian now i want to stripe it of all the extra's it has and just keep modules of half-life that is WINE and FLUXBOX how to do it?
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02:25<R2r>should i kill extra useless processes
02:25<Requiem>do you know which ones are useless?
02:26<R2r>yes probably
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02:26<R2r>can i make a batch file to do that everytime i boot
02:26<R2r>something like a runlevel you know!
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02:28<jm_>R2r: why not simply uninstall things you don't need? it's a hard concept to grasp, I know
02:30<R2r>so can i have something like two profiles one with fluxbox and one with kde
02:30<jm_>you have my permission
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02:31<R2r>so the fluxbox one doesnt have all the extra's but the kde one is full featured
02:32<R2r>like two user profiles you know!!
02:32<R2r>i like your bot
02:32<twb>If you're comparing window managers, you should compare fluxbox to kwin. KDE is a complete desktop environment, of which the window manager component, kwin, is but a part. You can also KDE with fluxbox as your WM.
02:32<gef>like some sort of 'account' system to manage multiple logins?
02:33<R2r>so fluxbox will run on what desktop
02:33<jm_>modern DM-s let you select which session to use ...
02:33<twb>jm_: via a GUI; *all* DMs let you select which session to use *somehow*.
02:33<R2r>like two users with different profiles
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02:36<R2r>so which desktop environment is light and simple but with a little graphics
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02:44<TiEuAM>jm_: hello, i have win the battle with the, now i have huge enable
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02:45<kaye1>hey whats up all
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02:46<kaye1>anyone around?
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02:47<kaye1>ok well seeing how theres 300 people in here someones guta read it eventually
02:47<twb>kaye1: do you have a meaningful question?
02:47<kaye1>ive got a project i need help with
02:48<kaye1>u familiar with openmosix? and or any other cluster software
02:48<kaye1>i need process distribution capabilities on like 2 - 5 systems
02:48<blarson>!tell kaye1 about ask
02:49<kaye1>and possibly video memory sharing if someone knows some seriously out there projects we could add to this one
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02:49<twb>kaye1: try #open-mosix on freenode
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03:23<itomato>there's far more happening on the FreeNode server's #debian...
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03:24<sep>itomato, that's just tradition.
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03:40<twb>That's because Freenode's #debian full of idiots
03:42<Koston>much like irc in general
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04:03<thank>when I install mrtg
04:03<thank>snmp server no work .
04:03<thank>anyone could help me ?
04:04<thank>apt-get install mrtg snmpd
04:04<thank>snmpwalk -c public -v 1 localhost
04:04<thank>alway message
04:04<thank>Timeout: No Response from localhost
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04:10<Overbryd>Is there someone who can help me out? I need a command line tool, wich can run as a daemon that monitors director(y|ies) for changes and executes other programs if needed.
04:11<Overbryd>for example a directory where you can drop files wich should be converted.
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04:24<jm_>Overbryd: maybe
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04:25<NinjaMan>does anyone know what the difference between /bin/false and /usr/sbin/nologin is? (in terms of use for setting users with no shell access)
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04:27<jm_>Overbryd: please don't msg me, ask here
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04:43<ezra>Anyone using Debian testing has noticed that since a few days ago their left-mouse clic is now double-clic? it is driving me nuts!
04:44<OdyX>not me.
04:44<OdyX>I don't see it.
04:45<ezra>why me!?
04:46<ezra>OdyX, do you use gnome or something else?
04:46<OdyX>nope... KDE
04:46<ezra>OdyX, do you use any application based on gnome?
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04:47<OdyX>nope... only KDE-based
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04:48<less>Knome. ;-)
04:48<jm_>try non-gnome
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04:49<pleb2>My filesystem appears to be read only??
04:49<ezra>anyone that uses gnome has the same problem and/or knows how to fix it?
04:49<less>Appears to be? What does mount say about it?
04:49<pleb2>its my /
04:49<pleb2>i carnt run apt upgrades
04:49<pleb2>and i carnt even create folders as root
04:50<less>What is the error message?
04:50<yayo>hi, can anyone tell me how I can put files likes pictures and php scripts in to var/www/ everytime I try it says permission denied!
04:50<pleb2>less: mkdir: cannot create directory `test': Read-only file system
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04:50<stevem_>Hey, I'm having difficulty deleting two directories from /mnt - see this nopaste and you'll see it looks _really_ wierd :S ...
04:50<pleb2>E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
04:50<pleb2>W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock
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04:50<ntbnnt>ro switch at grub?
04:50<stevem_>likely you need to run as super user pleb2
04:51<pleb2>stevem_ : whoami
04:51<less>OK pleb2. Now how is your root filesystem described in /etc/fstab?
04:51<stevem_>ok then theres another package management running
04:51<stevem_>update manager maybe? synaptic?
04:51<less>Does it say "ro" anywhere?
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04:51<pleb2>less: /dev/sda1 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1
04:52<less>Oh, then maybe there was an error at mount time...
04:52<pleb2>I have had a hard disk fail on my RAID1 array
04:52<pleb2>but that shouldnt effect the boot
04:52<less>oic, a RAID setup.
04:52<pleb2>its not software raid
04:52<pleb2>linux should just see it as a fully functional virtual drive
04:52<pleb2>less: /dev/sda1
04:53<yayo>hi, can anyone tell me how I can put files likes pictures and php scripts in to var/www/ everytime I try it says permission denied!
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04:53<pleb2>Ive ordered a new disk, but i carnt arrange for KVM/IP until the disk arrives as otherwise i would have to pay for 2 x kvm/ip sessions
04:54<ntbnnt>zomgbbq distupgrade
04:57<pleb2>less: would forcing a fsck at next reboot help?
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04:58<pleb2>yayo what user are you trying to do this as?
04:59<less>pleb2: it might well help indeed.
04:59<pleb2>less: is there a chance it would prompt me to do something, and i would no longer be able to ssh-in to my box?
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04:59<pleb2>at the moment, the services it is supplying are actually still running
04:59<pleb2>the webby the gameservers everything
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04:59<pleb2>it seems odd
04:59<pleb2>i Imagine the stats arnt working correctly tho :P
04:59<less>In that case, it might be a better idea to wait.
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05:00<pleb2>less: so there is a chance that the server would ask me to do something at a console level? before ssh fires?
05:00<less>Maybe sudo mount -o remount,rw would work, I'm not sure.
05:01<pleb2>why sudo?:
05:01<less>Only root can do that.
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05:04<pleb2>less: i'll just run it as root
05:04<pleb2>less: i dont think i have sudo set up
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05:04<yayo>well I am unable to paste anything into the folder
05:04<yayo>please help me
05:04<yayo>im a linux newbie and have been searching and now..very tired
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05:04<pleb2>lol yayo
05:04<yayo>I just want to paste files into this folder
05:05<pleb2>what are you logged in as?
05:05<pleb2>who *
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05:05<pleb2>your logged into gnome as root?
05:05<yayo>well..I think
05:05<pleb2>can you open up a terminal? do you know how?
05:05<yayo>..yes =,=
05:05<yayo>whoami says root
05:05<pleb2>type whoami
05:06<pleb2>okay, well its odd that root carnt paste into www-data
05:06<yayo>so why can't I still paste stuff in there?
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05:06<pleb2>are you running debian?
05:06<yayo>of course
05:06<pleb2>did you do special things to be allowed to log in graphically as root?
05:06<pleb2>as normally u carnt
05:07<yayo>how do I do that?
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05:07<pleb2>yayo im thinking your logged in as a basic user, and have a root terminal opend
05:07<yayo>"special things"
05:07<yayo>and yea
05:07<pleb2>what username did you use to actually log in with
05:07<yayo>..that's what I havedone
05:07<pleb2>when you turned your computer on
05:07<yayo>another one?
05:08<yayo>wait wait
05:08<yayo>don't tell me I need to login with root at login screen
05:08<pleb2>does your "other one" have access to write into /var/www
05:08<yayo>because it won't let me
05:08<pleb2>lol exactly
05:08<yayo>it always say pass is wrong
05:08<yayo>eventhough it is
05:08<pleb2>thats fine
05:08<yayo>I login to my root terminal with same pass
05:08<pleb2>hold one a sec
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05:09<pleb2>try this as root
05:09<pleb2>type into your console
05:10<pleb2>usermod -G www-data usernameyouusedtologinwith
05:10<padski>pleb2, how goes it ?
05:10<yayo>should it be /var/www/??
05:11<yayo>or just www
05:11<pleb2>padski not too good 2 secs :)
05:11<pleb2>no yayo
05:11<pleb2>www-data is the group name
05:11<pleb2>usermod -G www-data myusername
05:11<pleb2>now move as root to the folder
05:11<feth>why don't you just sudo ?
05:11<pleb2>*slaps self*
05:12<pleb2>whys everyone love sudo so much
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05:12<yayo>how do I move as root to folder?
05:12<feth>sudo konqueror / nautilus and drag'n' drop what's needed
05:12<less>It's better, from a sysadmin point of view.
05:12<pleb2>yayo actually you dont have to sorry
05:12<pleb2>what you should do now is type in your console:
05:13<feth>Ideally I would sudo -u www-data
05:13<pleb2>chown yourusername:www-data -R /var/www
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05:14<pleb2>yayo have you done that?
05:14<yayo>now try?
05:14<pleb2>what weve done is
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05:14<pleb2>weve change the permissions of /var/www to allow your user rights and to allow apache rights to read
05:14<simonrvn>are you fucking kidding, using nautilus as root to move a fucking file to a directory?
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05:15<yayo>oh lord
05:15<feth>simonrvn: quite not : yayo claims being a newbie
05:15<simonrvn>!lart feth
05:15*dpkg chops feth in half with a free AOL CD
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05:15<pleb2>and weve added your user to the same group as apache- so when you paste stuff in, apache will auto get read rights :)
05:15<pleb2>i... think
05:15<pleb2>anyway does it work yayo?
05:15<feth>simonrvn: ideally I'd have built a short python script using sudo to copy files with appropriate rights
05:16*simonrvn rolls eyes
05:16<feth>or shell or anything
05:16<yayo>YES it works!@
05:16<pleb2>you can close that root terminal now :P
05:17<yayo>ok I need some sleep's 5:15AM..I have university in 3 hours..CRAP
05:17<yayo>THANK YOU
05:17<pleb2>nw :)
05:17<less>Sweet dreams.
05:17<yayo>mini test tomorrow
05:17<yayo>so I don't think sweet dreams
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05:18<pleb2>padski, if i run fsck at next reboot, is there a chance my machine may not come back up?? and ask for input via keyboard, as its located 200 miles from me and i use SSH to configure it
05:18<pleb2>but my FS is mounted read only atm :\
05:19<less>You could examine the fsck command line in your startup scripts...
05:19<less>The -y command line option comes to mind.
05:20<less>It means: don't bother prompting, just fix it, or something like that.
05:20<pleb2>lol what happens if im agreeing to something i think is a very silly idea
05:20<less>Huh? ;-)
05:20<padski>pleb2, there are always ways for stuff to go wrong. I missed the bit where you explained the reason for the reboot ?
05:21<pleb2>Less: i dont understand though there SHOULDNT be errors, I had a hdd fail yes, but its mirrored, and if anything it wasnt even the main disk that went down
05:21<pleb2>it was the mirror
05:21<less>RO filesystem.
05:21<less>RAID1 in hardware.
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05:21<pleb2>padski, My hardware RAID1 was reporting out_of_synch
05:21<pleb2>drives online
05:22<pleb2>I went for a restart to try get it to re-discover drives
05:22<pleb2>when it came back up
05:22<pleb2>ioc0 vol_id 0 type IM, 2 phy, 33 GB, state DEGRADED, flags ENABLED
05:22<pleb2>ioc0 phy 0 scsi_id 0 IBM-ESXS MAS3367NC FN C901, 33 GB, state ONLINE, flags NONE
05:22<pleb2>ioc0 phy 1 scsi_id 1 IBM-ESXS MAS3367NC FN C901, 0 GB, state FAILED, flags OUT_OF_SYNC
05:22<pleb2>:\ failed HDD
05:23<pleb2>its only been in the data house for 3 days
05:23<padski>pleb2, looks like you have a disk in a mirror failed, so soon after a move suggests a bump in moving.
05:23<padski>pleb2, you might want to consider changing the other disk too.
05:24<pleb2>padski, the server was new, i had it 2 days before I sent it off....
05:24<pleb2>The array was reporting out of synch errors origionally, like the 2nd disk couldnt keep up with the first when writes occured
05:24<pleb2>but that cleared up...
05:24<padski>pleb2, did you give the mirror the royal family treatment ?
05:25<pleb2>when I moved the server into house, and wrote 4GB of data to it, it became out of synch again
05:25<pleb2>makes me believe the HDD was failing from when i first got it
05:25<less>Sounds like it.
05:25<padski>pleb2, so it might not be a disk failed ?
05:25<pleb2>its failed
05:25<pleb2>its not even being picked up now
05:26<padski>pleb2, did you not run the diags when you got it ?
05:26<pleb2>Padski I ran diag's but its not uncommon for an array to be out of synch when its first been built
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05:26<pleb2>the server then reported array online after around 2 hours if idle
05:26<pleb2>status: optimal
05:27<pleb2>Its all be a royal mess tbh, as the server wasnt delivered on time and i already missed my first install window
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05:27<pleb2>then the delivery driver couldnt "find the datahouse"
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05:27<pleb2>i mean, cmon... but i still have to pay for 24 hour delivery even tho it didnt arrive on the friday and they delivered it this monday instead
05:27<pleb2>so its had a couple trips which wouldnt of helped the drive anyway :P
05:28<less>Yeah, that sounds like a real mess...
05:28<padski>pleb2, this is brand new kit still under warranty ?
05:28<pleb2>Padski, not brand new kit
05:28<pleb2>but theorugly tested
05:28<pleb2>the place i bought it from is sending me another disk
05:28<pleb2>but i still have to fit the £30 to fit it
05:29<pleb2>padski, can you think of any reason as to why my FS is mounting as read only
05:29<pleb2>as linux shouldnt know about the failed disk
05:29<pleb2>it should just see it as it was when it went in
05:30<padski>pleb2, you have "errors=remount-ro" in your fstab ?
05:30<pleb2>i do indeed
05:30<padski>pleb2, see any errors logged ?
05:30<jm_>and he was told to run dmesg quite a while ago
05:31<pleb2>sorry jm_ didnt know that was directed at me
05:31<pleb2>sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Device not ready: Add. Sense: Logical unit not ready, initializing command required
05:31<pleb2>end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 15182551
05:31<pleb2>Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 1897811
05:31<pleb2>lost page write due to I/O error on sda1
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05:31<pleb2>silly me
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05:31<pleb2>does it basically say bad sectors / failed writes?
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05:32<jm_>yes probably bad sector - I would drive there and run badblocks on the drives (in read-only mode!! which is the default)
05:32<less>It had a problem with the controller at mount time.
05:32<less>Hence it was mounted ro.
05:32<less>I think I said that 20 minutes or so ago. ;-)
05:33<jm_>less: not necessarily at mount time
05:33<less>Maybe it's worth to try sudo mount -o remount,rw on it?
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05:33<less>True jm_.
05:33<pleb2>I have features at my data house
05:33<pleb2>i can powercycle for free
05:34<pleb2>and i can request a KVM for three hours for free once per month
05:34<pleb2>i was hoping to hold that till when the disk was fitted to rebuild the array
05:34<less>I feel your pain, pleb2.
05:35<pleb2>please dont make me drive to maidenhead
05:35<pleb2>its almost 300 miles away :P
05:36<padski>pleb2, oh no! not maidenhead! ;-)
05:36<less>But can you get a console, through that KVM facility?
05:36<pleb2>lol less
05:36<pleb2>it gets worse
05:36<pleb2>i could
05:36<less>Makes rebooting a whole lot safer. ;-)
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05:36<pleb2>provided i mail them my c2tkvm cable
05:36<pleb2>which i kinda need here for my other servers :P
05:36<pleb2>damn ibms and there breakout cables
05:37<pleb2>i was hoping to mail it with the new disk drive
05:37<pleb2>i musta really been some horrible person in a past life....
05:37<less>I don't remember who said that, but it would be wise to replace the other disk too.
05:38<pleb2>these drives arnt cheap tho :(
05:38<pleb2>damn scsi 320's
05:38<less>Since damage during transport seems the most likely cause.
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05:38<pleb2>see i dont agree
05:38<less>Feel free not to. ;-)
05:38<pleb2>i agree that may have finished the drive off, but im convinced the drive was dodgy to begin with
05:38<robstar>can i ask a dumb question? i've googled all over for it and read the FAQ, but can't find out why there's no XEmacs in lenny. help? (links, etc. are fine :)
05:38<less>Possible, yes.
05:39<jm_>naah transport can't damage it unless they were playing ice hockey or aussie football with it
05:39<jm_>!why is xemacs not in testing
05:39<dpkg>xemacs is not in testing for the reasons listed in
05:39<less>I dunno what can happen inside the van of the courier service.
05:40<robstar>jm_: thanks!
05:40<jm_>robstar: wrong one, see this instead --
05:40<robstar>jm_: yeah - i tweaked the url ;) didn't know about that tool -- thanks!!!
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05:44<less>So, are you going to try the remount,rw trick pleb2?
05:45<pleb2>so plan is....... Ignore error's run FS as RO as my webby (which i carnt change now) and gameservers / teamspeak etc all seem to run fine. although like i said i carnt see how its recording the stats :P
05:45<pleb2>get new HDD
05:45<pleb2>mail it down
05:45<pleb2>pay £30 ti fit it
05:45<pleb2>order my 3 hour KVM, + debian CD
05:45<pleb2>and take it from there
05:45<pleb2>will fsck be able to recover the errors?
05:45<pleb2>or is this a reinstall job?
05:45<less>Good luck with it.
05:46<less>Oh, more difficult questions. ;-)
05:46<pleb2>I can reinstall debian in about 30 mins, cs in about 4, the configs in about 30 mins.... so a reinst at this point wont be a bad thing....would it be worth just doing it that way?
05:46<pleb2>wouldnt *
05:47<pleb2>has anyone actually recovered from errors following an fsck? or is it useless? :P
05:48*less raises his hand
05:48<less>You might lose some files, or experience some corruption, especially with log files and the like.
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05:49<pleb2>less: im considering doing a restart
05:49<pleb2>seeing if that cures it
05:49<less>That would indeed obviate the use of a sudo mount -o remount, rw yes. ;-)
05:49<pleb2>it looks from the messages like debian started booting before the raid array was available
05:49<less>s/, /,/
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05:50<less>Aha, that might be something.
05:50<pleb2>maybe it was trying to read from both disks... and the one failed at that time?
05:50<pleb2>but it wasnt flagged as failed from boot?
05:50<pleb2>where as now it is
05:51*pleb2 graps at straws
05:51<less>You are trying to go to a level of (hardware) detail that might just not be for us.
05:51<pleb2>i'll shut it down
05:51<less>We are not hardware engineers who designed your disks or controller or anything...
05:51<pleb2>lets see what happens ;)
05:51<Cheatah>well, if a drive in a raid 1 fails, it should never have any consequences for the other drive
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05:52<less>Indeed, that is whta RAID1 is all about. ;-)
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05:52<Cheatah>so if both drives are corrupted in some sort
05:52<Cheatah>it must be the controller
05:52*pleb2 runs shutdown -r now
05:52<pleb2>wish it luck ;)
05:52<Cheatah>or one drive failed, and the other suffered from i/o errors
05:53<pleb2>with RAID 1 the controller reads from both drives, so its highly possible that if the drive wasnt detected as failed, it could read I/O errors from said drive
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05:54<Cheatah>yes, but that can only be read errors, so that must still have meant an i/o error on the other drive
05:55<pleb2>Perhaps but as it was trying to boot, and failing, with read errors, i carnt see any write erros in the log
05:55*pleb2 might just be holding onto false hope
05:55<Cheatah>well, i guess a reboot is your best shot right now
05:55<pleb2>its taking a while to come back up
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05:55<pleb2>could be the raid controller trying the drive :\
05:55<pleb2>thats a good sign lol
05:55<Cheatah>probably doing a fsck
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05:56<Cheatah>of the controller rebuilding the corrupted disk
05:56<pleb2>at least i wont be getting texts for the next few weeks reminding me my servers down lol
05:56<pleb2>cheatah disk 1 (2) has failed
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05:56<pleb2>disk 0 is still ok
05:56<Cheatah>yeah, but failed totally? if it's unrecoverably, the array wont rebuild
05:56<pleb2>i have write ability
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05:57<pleb2>i made a folder everyone!!! yeay me!!!
05:57<Koston>there are no folders in unix world
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05:57<the-dude>folde? don;t you mean directory :p
05:57<less>Subdirectory. ;-)
05:57<Cheatah>we still got the idea, disn't we ;)
05:57<pleb2>excuse my terminology which has been imprinted on my brains from all my mcse lark
05:57<pleb2>so ....
05:57<the-dude>bash: mkfolder: command not found
05:57<pleb2>after all that...
05:57<pleb2>the solution was......
05:58<pleb2>turn it off.. and back on again
05:58<pleb2>why didnt i think of that!
05:58<Cheatah>the-dude: ln -s /bin/mkdir /bin/mkfolder
05:58<Cheatah>problem solved :P
05:59<the-dude>Cheatah: brrr evil person ;)
05:59<pleb2>my disk 1 is still failed (which is good, i like consistency)
05:59<pleb2>but i have write back again
05:59<pleb2>thanks all for your input!!! :D very muchly appreciated
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06:00<pleb2>at boot it looks like EXT3 ran recovery on the readonly FS and sorted it out
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06:01<stevem_>Does anyone know of an alternative to tsclient? maybe something that supports tabs? (it's the RDP I need more than anything)
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06:04<jorge>I was trying to convert a script sql from latin1 to utf8
06:05<jorge>iconv -f latin1 -t utf-8 loka_foros.sql > prueba
06:06<jorge>all the spanish special characters were fixed except capital letters
06:06<jorge>what is the problem?
06:07<jorge>I have debian etch
06:08<jm_>jorge: maybe they are not in latin1 encoding then
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06:10<jorge>I thinks yed, more over the small letters were fixed
06:11<jm_>that doesn't mean anything, perhaps those were correctly encoded
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06:11<jorge>only I have problems with capital letters, the sql file is a mysqldump from mysql4.0 that have latin1 encoding
06:12<jm_>verify their code as per man iso_8859_1
06:12<jorge>no because in the source file the small letters have strange characters and next iconv they are right
06:14<jorge>how can I verify that?
06:15<jm_>hex editor of some kind
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06:18<jm_>an editor like yudit would also help
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06:21<themill>jorge: note also that iconv separately lists iso8859-1 and latin1 in its list of supported encodings.
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06:21<jm_>one is probably just an alias for the other, let's see
06:21<themill>(ermm that;'s iso-8859-1)
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06:21<themill>jm_: probably
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06:22<jm_>alias LATIN1// ISO-8859-1//
06:22<themill>ahh.. v. good
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06:22<themill>The chances of everything being in the right encoding when it was stuck into mysql are minimal anyway. There are no easy solutions to this.
06:23<themill>jm_: where did you find that?
06:23<jm_>themill: gconv-modules
06:23<themill>jm_: ahh. I was just looking at the output of iconv -l
06:23<jorge>my problem is to migrate from mysql4.o to mysql5
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06:24<jorge>mysql4.0 is latin1 and not support utf-8
06:24<jorge>and mysql5 is utf8
06:24<themill>jorge: mysql5 *can* do latin1, but I would suggest that you take this opportunity to convert anyway
06:24<jorge>I need to migrate a database and the idea was to convert the encoding of the backup
06:24<jorge>yes themill I want that
06:25<jm_>jorge: just check the code for one uppercase and lowercase char and compare to latin1/iso8859-1 table
06:25<jorge>so I have the problem
06:25<themill>jorge: the trouble is that you can stick things into mysql in the wrong encoding. Mysql can't enforce latin1 on its clients; if your application (php or whatever) was sticking data in that was utf8 encoded, then you have inconsistent encoding in your data
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06:26<nevyn>yeah that's bad.
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06:26<themill>dpkg: mysql utf8
06:26<dpkg>You need to have an end-to-end utf-8 workflow. (a) the client must use utf-8 (accept-charset='utf-8') (b) mysql connection must be in utf-8 (edit my.cnf or SET NAMES 'utf8') (c) the database columns must be in utf-8 (check this with phpmyadmin or the cli tools) (d) set the encoding on generated pages to utf-8 (xml, meta or http header) (e) your browser must use a decent font. more detail see:
06:26<jm_>if it doesn't match, you will first need to convert it to latin1 and then conversion to utf8 shall be seamless
06:27<jorge>the software is phpbb
06:27<jorge>and in mysql4 I think is utf8 in latin encoding
06:27<jorge>first to latin1?
06:28<themill>jorge: if phpbb isn't paying attention to the encoding and just sticking the user's post into the database, then it will be the user's browser that decided on the encoding. And each user will have a different setting. Eeek.
06:30<NinjaMan>how does the dpkg bot work?
06:30<jorge>but the posts in mysql were in latin1
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06:30<jorge>I imported the sql script and appeared many strange characters in the forums
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06:31<jm_>NinjaMan: what do you mean?
06:31<themill>jorge: no, the mysql *thought* the posts were in latin1. They unfortunately were probably in an interesting mix of lots of things.
06:31<themill>dpkg: tell NinjaMan about dpkgbot
06:32<NinjaMan>jm_: I mean is it harvesting answers to questions from the channel?
06:32<petemc>it needs to be triggered, /msg dpkg help
06:32<NinjaMan>!dpkg help
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06:33<jorge>but themill, I run iconv in the sql text file and all the lower case strange characters were fixed and now, I can see well
06:34<jorge>the problems is only for the upper case
06:35<jorge>It would be strange to have only the upper case characters in other enconding
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06:41<jorge>e.g: QU~I ASCO / QU~I MARR~SN=--','Foro hermano de la sección
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06:42<jorge>the accent in sección is ok but QU~I should be QUÉ
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06:54<pleb2>jorge, upprcase ascii char's have totally differnt refernces / codes. Could it not be some kind of mapping between the two types? .. hmm how do i expalain.. I have no clue tbh but im assuming its done through some kind of ref. e.g. the ascii code for e in hex is 65(101) and that might be linked to an approprate char.. but for E its 45(69) and that may not be linked. More so as there is like slashes and brackets between the uppercase and lowercase
06:54*pleb2 grasps at more straws :P
06:54*pleb2 tends to invent his own theories as to how things may not work... :\
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06:54<themill>pleb2: don't worry, there's lots of that going on.
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06:56<jorge>then may be the upper case can' t be converted?
06:56<pleb2>urm, i imagine the can be if the maps are made?
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06:56<themill>jorge: have you looked at the sql in a hex editor to see what the code points are for these characters?
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06:58<jorge>wait I have to install the program then
06:58<themill>jorge: khexedit or something is handy
06:58<pleb2>try find two of the same letter, one in upper + one in lower
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07:01<jm_>NinjaMan: no, we are teaching it
07:01<Refakki> hi all. I use debian stable amd64. What i should install for watching .wmv(9) on it. I add backport and multimedia reps....
07:01<jm_>Refakki: mplayer
07:02<Refakki>I want use totem
07:02<NinjaMan>jm_: how do we teach it?
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07:07<jm_>NinjaMan: I don't want to say, ask the owners if they are comfortable with you :P
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07:07<NinjaMan>jm_: ok thx
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07:12<jm_>NinjaMan: it's not you personally, but there was trouble with people in the past filling it with crap factoids
07:12<NinjaMan>jm_: lol don't worry, I can understand why they need to be careful
07:13*themill spends a lot of time deleting such junk and is working on his lart-over-ip toolkit to prevent that happening in the future
07:17*less would be interested in such a toolkit ;-)
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07:26<jorge>themill I have now installed and opened my 2.5GB text file :P
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07:26<jorge>what I have to do for checking the problemes?
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07:29<themill>jorge: ugh... Look for a posting that has a couple of letters that are being misencoded (É, I think you mentioned earlier). Check what the hex value is for that character. Also look at the hex value for the lower case letter. If you can do that for the one that has also been through iconv, then we can see what encoding things are in and if it's only a few characters, even fix it fairly easily with a bit of perl or sed or something.
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07:33<jorge>sorry but I don't know how to search a string in the editor
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07:34<petemc> /foo
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07:37<jm_>or jus dump first megabyte and have someone look at it
07:37<maxb>If you want to depend on a range of versions in a .deb, do you have to write it like this:
07:37<maxb>Depends: foo (>= 1), foo (<< 2)
07:37<maxb>or is there a nicer way?
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07:39<lente>does anyone know a howto for programming x apps
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07:39<jm_>lente: no
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07:50<jorge>Itś impossible to manage a 2.5GB text file :(
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07:51<maxb>uh, yes, so don't create them :-)
07:52<jorge>It's a database :(
07:53<Bravewolf>sorry. i made a mistake
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07:58<Tracer_>jorge its not imposable i got a prog that can generate up approx. 6.5GB files
07:58<jorge>I mean like difficult :P
07:59<kcynice>i want to install wxdfast, but i found it depent on wxWindows, how to continue? install wxWidgets?
07:59<jorge>themill I have two words in the hex file, upper case and low case
07:59<themill>jorge: you could use dd or head to grab the first few thousand lines or something so you can see it more easily. That's a huge file to have to deal with :(
07:59<jorge>sección= ó is f3
08:00<jorge>I copied the two words from the vi editor
08:00<jorge>we can debug with this I think
08:01<jorge>the other word is ADMINISTRACI~SN(should be ADMINISTRACIÓN) and is 7e 53
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08:06<jorge>themill ?
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08:07<themill>jorge: hang on... working on it
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08:08<themill>jorge: are these before or after they've been through iconv?
08:08<mysupper>hello guys
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08:11<themill>jorge: I've not yet worked out what encoding that is actually in, but the ó is correct (0xF3) while the Ó is not -- it should be 0xD3
08:11<jorge>after sorry
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08:12<jorge>that is the problem
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08:14<jorge>the same problem with 3 dots ...
08:15<themill>jorge: can you tell me what the Ó was before running it through iconv? (I know that's not necessarily easy :)
08:16<jorge>ok one moment
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08:18<DTE>hi all
08:18<Israel>Hi, does any one know wich I can talk about icedove/mozilla-thunderbird
08:19<DTE>i have some problems with ssh and public keys
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08:19<jorge>but it is the same that the rest of the special characters
08:19<DTE>the same exact configuration and on one server works and on the other no
08:19<DTE>what can i check?
08:20<googlah>check your ~/.ssh/known_hosts file
08:21<less>Try to use the ssh -v command line switch for starters.
08:21<DTE>in the client server?
08:21<googlah>on the client, yes. not the server
08:21<DTE>on the client known_hosts is ok
08:21<DTE>there are both rsa pub keys
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08:22<DTE>here the results with -v
08:23<DTE>it found the key...but ask for the password
08:23<Koston>increase verbosity level
08:23<googlah>so, you cannot access the SSH server?
08:23<Koston>run /path/to/sshd -ddd -p 23 and user -vvv on client
08:23<Israel>you probably upgraded your ssh-server and due to a serious bug in ssl package, all the keys have been invalidated
08:24<Israel>you need to regenerate your keys
08:24<themill>jorge: it won't be 00 ... is it a multibyte character?
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08:24<DTE>Israel: already did...on both servers
08:24<Israel>DTE: run ssh-vulnkey -a in a shell
08:24<Israel>yeah, but on the client?
08:24<DTE>for this stopped to worked :-)
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08:25<DTE>anyway ssh-vulnkey -a all keys are not blacklisted
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08:25<Israel>run the above command just to make sure there are no blacklisted keys in your system
08:25<DTE>servers and client
08:25<Israel>so your problems is another then
08:25<themill>DTE: ssh-vulnkeys won't look at /var/lib/backuppc/.ssh/id_dsa though
08:26<themill>DTE: Not without explicitly asking it to do so
08:26<themill>(I think)
08:26<Ikarus>urgh, funny, revocation certificate for this key I only received in printed form
08:26<jorge>themill I pasted in the hex editor in the same way as the others
08:26<Ikarus>anyone up for OCR :P
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08:27<jorge>and It is 00, moreover when I open the text file with vi all the special characters has the same appearance
08:27<DTE>Not blacklisted: 2048 94:ce:e7:b3:e0:f7:b0:61:e6:de:af:2d:25:b2:a3:80 /var/lib/backuppc/.ssh/
08:27<themill>jorge: 00 is a null character though. It shouldn't be in a string like that. Odd.
08:27<themill>DTE: what are the permissions on /var/lib/backuppc/.ssh/id_dsa and its directory?
08:29<jorge>ADMINISTRACI�N appears in this way
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08:32<themill>jorge: hmmm that's really weird. Can you open the file in the actual hex editor rather than pasting into it? Perhaps chop the file into smaller more manageable portions.
08:32<Israel>DTE: any useful info in the logs?
08:32<DTE>sorry i was a bit busy
08:33<DTE>themill: permissions are 700 for the .ssh dir
08:33<DTE>and id_rsa is 600
08:33<jorge>how can I cut the file?
08:33<themill>jorge: what are you using to view it at the moment?
08:33<DTE>Israel: nothing in the logs
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08:34<themill>jorge: ok, if you go down a couple more lines and then press dG that will delete to the end of the file
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08:34<themill>jorge: go up a few more lines and press d1G to delete to the top of the file.
08:34<DTE>the funny thing is that the conf of the servers are exactly the same
08:34<themill>jorge: Then :w newfilename to save it with a new filename
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08:38<Aleric>I hate it that Mathematica 5.2 stopped working "just like that" after I upgraded debian :/
08:38<Aleric>Hmm... Perhaps I should install yet another chroot :/
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08:40<DTE>no clue about my problem?
08:41<themill>DTE: turn up debugging output on both ends as suggested already.
08:42<themill>DTE: [13:23] <Koston> run /path/to/sshd -ddd -p 23 and user -vvv on client
08:42<themill>DTE: telling the client to connect to port 23 if you follow that example
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08:43<Koston>of course one never runs any commands pasted on irc without checking the manual page first about what it does
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08:43<DTE>i have to open the firewall too
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08:43<themill>DTE: is this a remote machine?
08:44<themill>DTE: if feasible, it might just be easier to shutdown sshd and run it on port 22 to save firewall hassles. Up to you.
08:44<DTE>themill: it's our mail server :-)
08:44<DTE>and it's very remote :-)
08:45<themill>DTE: ahh
08:45<jorge>themill is impossible to cut because vi get block :(
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08:45<themill>jorge: it will be slow, but it should get there eventually. I have dissected files that size with vi before. Do you know what line you are currently on?
08:46<DTE>themill: anyway i did
08:46<DTE>i paste the results
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08:48<Gekz>why do hostnames have to say -static- if they're static
08:48<themill>DTE your client doesn't like that key
08:48<Gekz>that's like saying "My IP will never change, DDoS me!"
08:49<Koston>DTE, why don't you just read what you pasted yourself? the logs are rather clear.
08:49<jorge>I am opening now again, wait because It's slow
08:50<DTE>Koston: you mean this?
08:50<DTE>mm_answer_keyallowed: key 0x80aad48 is disallowed
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08:51<DTE>i don't see any other clear things (could be myself..i'm not too good to debug)
08:51<themill>DTE: debug3: Not a RSA1 key file /var/lib/backuppc/.ssh/id_rsa
08:51<Koston>how'bout you run ssh-vulnkey on the key and check?
08:51<DTE>themill: this is the client right?
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08:52<DTE>than it shoundn't work with the other server too
08:52<themill>DTE: ahh... actually, it would be an rsa2 key anyway, ignore that
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08:52<DTE>Koston: all one blacklisted
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08:52<DTE>on both servers and client
08:53<e0f>Hi guyz :) I want to compress a .pdf file. Where can I found a tool like PDF Compression for my Debian? :)
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08:54<DTE>i have to run away for few minutes...i'll come back soon
08:54<azeem>e0f: pdf files are compressed already AFAIK
08:55<e0f>Koston: I don't want to compress it in .tar.gz. I want to compress it with a tool in .pdf file :)
08:55<e0f>azeem: Acrobat Reader got a compression for web inside it :)
08:55<Koston>call adobe support line :P
08:55<themill>e0f: look at pdftk
08:56<e0f>themill: pdftk compress only text :) I've to comprime a newspaper for put in online :)
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08:56<themill>e0f: how are you making the pdf?
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08:57<jorge>themill I have the file opened with the numer line
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08:57<jorge>how can I write in other document two specific lines?
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09:01<e0f>themill: whit acrobat :(
09:01<azeem>e0f: so why are you asking us?
09:01<themill>e0f: as in adobe acrobat writer (not the free reader)?
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09:02<e0f>themill: yeah :)
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09:02<e0f>azeem: 'cuz i want a compression .pdf tool for my ubuntu b0x :·þ
09:03<azeem>e0f: then ask #ubuntu
09:03<themill>e0f: then you'll need to ask them. There should be options to downsample images and select the image compression algorithm.
09:03<e0f>azeem: sorry debian b0x :·þ
09:03<themill>e0f: but really... you're in #debian, asking about things for ubuntu to help you with using non-free software that has nothing to do with debian...
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09:04<e0f>yeah but i use debian now :)
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09:04<azeem>e0f: we don't support Adobe Acrobat her
09:05<themill>jorge: you can use this: replace 10 and 12 with the line numbers you want: awk '(NR>=10 && NR<=12) {print}' inputfile > outputfile
09:05<pleb2>open office writes pdf's ;)
09:05<themill>as does pdflatex
09:09<jorge>themill, sorry I have to leave the office
09:09<themill>jorge: ok. Good luck with it.
09:09<jorge>I hope you will be on monday and thanks for all
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09:27<Aleric>Which package in etch contains 'xset'?
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09:28<themill>Aleric: apt-file is your friend
09:28<themill>!find bin/xset etch
09:29<Aleric>Yeah, but I didn't want to install that in this chroot :/ .. every chroot is using a lot of diskspace already
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09:29<Aleric>Anyway, I did... got it
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09:30<themill>Aleric: there's also
09:30<dpkg>Debian Search of 'bin/xset' (3): (/usr/bin/xsetbg) in graphics/xloadimage ;; (/usr/bin/xsetwacom) in utils/wacom-tools ;; (/usr/bin/{xset|xsetmode|xsetpointer|...}) in x11/xbase-clients.
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09:30<themill>dpkg: you're slow
09:30<dpkg>No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!!
09:30<cahoot>burned out
09:31<themill>Too right.
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09:32<LargeTrout|Atwork>this is depressing - in the very silent hours 3 hours before most people show up, i realised my office is quite loud from the machines - usually this noise gets drowned
09:32<boss_>what do you do?
09:32<LargeTrout|Atwork>mostly QA work and a few other hats
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09:33<Aleric>open source coders
09:34<boss_>how do open source coders make a living?
09:34<boss_>i mean the code is all free right?
09:34<azeem>boss_: please keep it on topic
09:34<azeem>this is a support channel
09:34<LargeTrout|Atwork>support isn't :)
09:34<LargeTrout|Atwork>free i mean :)
09:35<Aleric>I'm not making money with it.
09:35<LargeTrout|Atwork>for example for the next debian question you ask, you need to pay azeem 20US$ per minute
09:35<azeem>LargeTrout|Atwork: please keep it on topic
09:35<boss_>i dont have the source for my distribution, can i still install kernel patches
09:35<azeem>boss_: which version of Debian?
09:35<boss_>or do i have to download the kernel sources and install them?
09:36<boss_>just a sec
09:36<azeem>you need the kernel headers
09:36<azeem>not the kernel source
09:36<azeem>to compile 3rd party modules
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09:36<boss_>iam running boss linux - its a debian based distro
09:36<azeem>boss_: then ask them
09:36<yayo>Warning: Unknown: failed to open stream: Permission denied in Unknown on line 0
09:36<yayo>Fatal error: Unknown: Failed opening required '/var/www/apache2-default/index.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in Unknown on line 0
09:36*LargeTrout|Atwork nods at azeem
09:36<yayo>any ideas guys?
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09:37<boss_>thanks for the help, have a good day guys
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09:38<yayo>is this error from my apache?
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09:39<yayo>I am very confused line 0? there is no line 0
09:39<LargeTrout|Atwork>the first line is line 0
09:39<LargeTrout|Atwork>it's saying it cannot open/find the file
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09:40<yayo>I don't understand
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09:40<yayo>how can not open a file?
09:40<yayo>it's a simple script php schript
09:40<LargeTrout|Atwork>permissions? the file doesn't exist?
09:40<themill>yayo: can you pastebin the output of ls -l /var/www/apache2-default/
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09:42<yayo>it's all there
09:42<yayo>I see a index.php file
09:42<yayo>themill what do you mean pastebin?
09:42<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
09:43<yayo>ah ok
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09:45<yayo>here you go
09:46<themill>yayo: it was ls -l (lowercase L) not -1 (one) that I wanted ....
09:46<yayo>ah crap
09:46<themill>yayo: And in any case, index.php is not there....
09:46<yayo>ok hold on
09:47<themill>ermm... no it is..
09:47<yayo>yes it is
09:47*themill is going cross eyed from this
09:47<yayo>you still want -l?
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09:49<yayo>here you are
09:50<DTE>i'm back
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09:50<DTE>anyone has a solution for me? :-)
09:51<Aleric>Hmm, running Mathematica from the etch chroot has the same problem :/. It seems that the problem is updating of the area that contains the input/output. And when it is X server related, my guess is that it is related to server-side blitting. Some buffer doesn't make it anymore.
09:52<themill>yayo: your permissions are rather interesting. chmod 644 /var/www/apache2-default/index.php /var/www/apache2-default/*.gif
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09:53<Aleric>I suppose it's not easy to compile an older version of X and test that? :/
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09:58<yayo>why is that I always can't connect to my mysqldb?
09:58<yayo>it always says connection error
09:59<yayo>I have checked the info over 50000 times
09:59<yayo>this is very painful
09:59<yayo>the host for a connection would be "localhost" correct?
09:59<yayo>since it's on the same machine
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10:02<darsie>hi! I have made a new ssh rsa user key and it does not work on a debian box. The old rsa key works. What could cause this??
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10:03<nevyn>darsie: edit ~/.ssh/authorized_keys delete the old key add the public part of the new key
10:04<darsie>I did
10:04<darsie>ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAQEA0GTpPmdDjMqQb6kKN58iF6Pg61Tg/qQ7qVEmQRvyaJ1g0r13BcnO+2bKs1yL6PXvvJPVpymRPLW2qzFwjp/Sv1h/TTimp48RE4qALg89bDcLScFpGLnPgghcdpjV2zy1wmOUZxHyTDqvgJ23qa9NB5JPL8kWF6dwjl+9p+uSJ8VJgKtfvZg0d6qS6v5beXQ5dPGb3vrLU4SuQBD0g9HEvPf3XogaJxwnEh7UeA3xrNJKbhLhVMWOEgKPQvLSmqD78Tp53yIoDw/1j5zXGvLg/a8V/9YhHtiDw9jN+HYql+rzRs1G6CKuOGF6so8SD6kKwNpGtKKF96ENc9pPWyL/nQ== Bernhard Kuemel <>
10:05<darsie>is the comment invalid maybe?
10:05<nevyn>looks fine
10:05<the-dude>darsie: it has to be "one line"
10:05<darsie>there's also a newline
10:05<darsie>it is
10:05<darsie>on one line
10:05<nevyn>did you make sure you had a fixed openssh and openssl first?
10:06*nevyn looks at darsie
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10:06<darsie>Well, where i generated the key, there is updated ssh.
10:06<darsie>maybe not on the server ...
10:06<themill>darsie: that key is still weak
10:07<darsie>what?? that key?
10:07<themill>darsie: COMPROMISED: 2048 01:02:38:73:3a:12:71:dd:9a:35:2a:75:fc:54:cb:5b key
10:07<darsie>I dist-upgraded testing/lenny.
10:07<darsie>ohhhh, no
10:08<darsie>thx a lot
10:08<sep>darsie, do you have testing security enabled ?
10:08<darsie>I only upgraded my server, not my workstation.
10:08<darsie>testing security?
10:08<nevyn>the security repository for testing
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10:08<darsie>ain't there only security for stable?
10:09<nevyn>you're correct
10:09<nevyn>my bad
10:09<themill>!testing security
10:09<dpkg>Put "deb lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny.
10:09<nevyn>ok I'm wrong
10:09<themill>But the ssl stuff all went in through sid anyway
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10:11<oigres>What's the best instant messaging client?
10:11<DTE>themill: should i open a bug fro my problem?
10:11<darsie>I use licq.
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10:12<LargeTrout|Atwork>pidgin - look for purple
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10:12<themill>DTE: no, it's going to be a local configuration error. You just need to work it out.
10:12<minerale>anyone here uses dreamhost? I was considering getting their $6 plan to backup my files to it... Not sure if they have a rsync server listening
10:12<DTE>themill: it's since two days i'm trying...the ssh configuartions are the same (on server)
10:13<DTE>anche client works well with one
10:13<DTE>i don't know where to look anymore :-(
10:13<themill>DTE: the server says "debug3: mm_answer_keyallowed: key 0x80aad48 is disallowed" It doesn't like that key. Either the key is weak and being disallowed or you've not copied the key onto that server properly.
10:14<DTE>i repaeted the process two times...i'll do it again...hope it solves it
10:14<yayo>Hello, can someone tell me why I am not able to connect my php scripts to my mysql db?
10:14<nevyn>DTE you can repeat it a thousand times if you're generating bad keys.
10:14<yayo>this issue occurs even through localhost
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10:14<yayo>and remote
10:15<Gekz>so that ssl bug
10:15<Gekz>is it in sid?
10:15<nevyn>Gekz: it WAS.
10:15<Gekz>was when
10:15<themill>!tell Gekz about dsa1571
10:15<DTE>nevyn: with the ssh-vulnkey all (server and client) are ok
10:15<nevyn>from 2006 till 2 days ago
10:16<themill>DTE: have you copied that key into the right place on the right server?
10:16<Gekz>thats a fail
10:16<Gekz>thats a critical fail
10:16<DTE>yes...exactly the same on both servers
10:16<azeem>Gekz: whoa, I think you're the first to realize that
10:16<themill>DTE: ahhh... not sure if authorized_keys2 is still used. I thought that went out with the ark.
10:16*nevyn falls down before the genius of Gekz
10:17<oigres>What's the best instant messaging client?
10:17<azeem>oigres: the one best suited for you
10:17<darsie>oigres: I use licq. Maybe not the best.
10:17<azeem>yayo: please keep it on topic
10:17<DTE>themill: on one it works and on the other one no
10:17<oigres>OK, tx!
10:17<DTE>i'm checking this right now
10:17<yayo>umm sorry >_>
10:17<Gekz>azeem: NO WAI
10:17<yayo>so can anyone help me out please?
10:18<DTE>permissions are the same...ssh server conf is thge same on both
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10:18<Gekz>so , does this ssl bug affect debian only?
10:18<azeem>Gekz: please read the advisory
10:19<mike>Gekz, Debian and derivatives.
10:19<azeem>Gekz: then ask elsewhere
10:19<Gekz>I read the advisory
10:19<Gekz>it doesnt answer it in great detail
10:19<themill>Gekz: please read first then ask questions later. You can probably imagine that we're sick of answering these questions again and again and again....
10:19<themill>Gekz: Also try asking google.
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10:21<nevyn>themill: ok I get why you got grumpy at analysis now ;)
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10:22<themill>nevyn: heh
10:22<themill>nevyn: it's going to be a looong weekend on #d.
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10:23<zok>How do I install cc on debian? I tried installing something with cpan and it said that I didn't have cc
10:23<sime>yeah no work monday!!!
10:23<zok>And "whereis cc" returns no results
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10:24<sime>zok, you need to intall gcc
10:24<sime>i guess
10:24<zok>I have gcc though...
10:24<darsie>is apt-get deprecated? Because I see many references to aptitude.
10:24<zok>Could I be missing part of gcc?
10:24<sime>darsie, i think it is better to use aptitude or synpatic
10:25<sime>sime, i use apt-get a little and have no problem though
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10:27<themill>!b-e zok
10:27<dpkg>zok: Sounds like you need to install build-essential.
10:28<sime>themill, where can a find doc about dpkg the know what shortcut to use?
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10:29<themill>!tell sime about dpkgbot
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10:31<sime>themill, thx
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10:35<zok>sime and dpkg: This is my new error:
10:35<zok>*these *are
10:35<pleb2>Im off all, end of day and i must surrender my laptop to a teacher to take home :\
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10:35<pleb2>Thanks for your help
10:35<zok>And yes, I know my console doesn't display unicode correctly...
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10:36<DTE> it for the third time...and get always the same
10:36<DTE>i can use public key on one server and on the other no
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10:39<zok>Anyone know what to do about my series of errors?
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10:40<themill>zok: the first error is the important one: error: aspell.h: No such file or directory
10:40<BlueG>Ok, I am going to need to try some more advanced techniques for getting xorg to work well with one of my video devices... the machine has onboard video, but its getting max resolution of 800x600. I have tried five different pci video cards, and none of them work. I get problems ranging from monitor goes to sleep when xstarts, x apparently crashes and drops me back to a shell, to really messed up display (various lines and distortions,
10:40<BlueG>unusable). I have tried using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and tried using the xorg driver and the kernel framebuffer device with each card, to no effect. What else can I try?
10:41<themill>zok: btw why don't you just grab the package libtext-aspell-perl ?
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10:41<nevyn>BlueG: what is the onboard card?
10:41<nevyn>BlueG: what chipset?
10:42-!-mode/#debian [+l 385] by debhelper
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10:42<zok>themill: I didn't know there was one!
10:42<zok>That'll save me some trouble, I'm sure
10:42<zok>I'll try that now
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10:43<themill>zok: always worth looking. Perl modules are called libmodule-submodule-perl in debian. Also use either apt-file or to find things. Or even just apt-cache search aspell | grep perl
10:43<zok>I just searched for "aspell" in Synaptic and didn't find the package
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10:44<zok>Oh, nevermind
10:44<zok>I'm a bad speller :P
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10:45<DTE>if i pass -ddd in /etc/default/ssh as optons the logs would be in /var/log/debug?
10:45<zok>Thanks a lot themill! It worked
10:45<themill>zok: no worries
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11:03<Villarroel>I'm trying to compile Hedgewars from sid, on etch.
11:04<Villarroel>The debian/rules configure exits OK.
11:04<Villarroel>But the build fails.
11:04<Villarroel>I don' t know what to do.
11:04<azeem>fix the build failure
11:04<azeem>or tell us about it, so that we can suggest something
11:04<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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11:05<Villarroel>Ok, azeem I will do it.
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11:09<BlueG>nevyn: lspci shows an Intel 82810E DC-133 on board
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11:11<acxty>where can I find randr1.2?
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11:12<hypnotic>I am looking for a plugin or app that can add a transfer manager to konqueror so it is possible to pause move and copy operations, and even more beautiful would be if independent started transfers would be queued when copy/move operations are on the same harddisks and are automatically started in parallel if they are on different hard disks, anybody an idea how to accomplish this?
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11:15<Villarroel>Ok, the is the pastebin.
11:16<themill>hypnotic: that sounds a lot like what (I believe) is in KDE4.
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11:16<acxty>I see the package available for ubuntu? is randr 1.2 avaible for debian?
11:16<themill>acxty: /msg dpkg search
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11:17<DTE>ok...i found out how to make the ssh to work
11:17<DTE>copy authrized_keys2 to authorized_keys
11:17<themill>DTE: do tell
11:17<themill>DTE: ahh... I did ask you if authorized_keys2 was still used....
11:17<DTE>but i stil don't get why one was working and one not working
11:17<DTE>with authorized_keys2
11:18<themill>DTE: are they both rsa keys? (or both dsa)
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11:18<DTE>both rsa
11:18<acxty>themill, I only get the libxrandr but no xrandr 1.2
11:18<acxty>*randr 1.2
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11:19<themill>acxty: look at the package version
11:19<acxty>themill, I install that one, but it doesn't have alot of options (--output, --auto, etc...)
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11:20<azeem>Villarroel: that's a weird error
11:20<azeem>probably nothing you can do about it, sorry
11:20<Villarroel>azeem, yeah it is.
11:20<themill>acxty: xrandr itself is not in that library though. And are you running etch, lenny, sid? If you give us information we can provide answers; if you don't we can only tell you where you can help yourself.
11:21<Villarroel>Maybe the freepascal version?
11:21<acxty>themill, I am running etch
11:21<DTE>anyway...thank you all for the support
11:21<themill>DTE: no worries.. glad you got there in the end
11:21<themill>acxty: xrandr 1.2 is not in etch
11:22<acxty>themill, where can I find the source so I can compile it?
11:22<hypnotic>themill: aha ok cool, but is it also possible to get in kde 3.5?
11:22<themill>acxty: you need a newer X server for xrandr 1.2
11:22<acxty>themill, which one will I need?
11:22<themill>hypnotic: not that I know of. Perhaps, but probably not. that cuts pretty deeply into kdelibs
11:23<hypnotic>themill: no way to use kget for local file transfers?
11:24<themill>hypnotic: not that I know of
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11:24<hypnotic>themill: ok ill wait untill kde4
11:24<themill>hypnotic: :)
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11:25<hypnotic>themill: maybe mc or krusader have this option
11:25<acxty>themill, I have xserver-xorg 1.7
11:25<BlueG>I have an Intel 82810E DC-133 chipset on board, and it is only getting a max resolution of 800x600. I suspect it should be capable of more, what can I do to try to tweak the configuration?
11:25<themill>acxty: I bet you don't
11:25<hypnotic>themill: ill check later
11:25<hypnotic>themill: thanks and bye bye
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11:28<Villarroel>Nope, all versions are equally or supperior.
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11:29<acxty>themill, I install xserver-xorg 1.7 with synaptic
11:29<themill>acxty: I bet you didn't.
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11:29<themill>acxty: You need to be really careful when reading version numbers.
11:30<themill>acxty: there is no version 1.7 of xserver-xorg
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11:30<acxty>themill, I this is what it say 1:7.1.0-19
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11:30<themill>acxty: that sounds better. That's the xserver that's in etch.
11:31<acxty>themill, how can I update the xserver so it can work with randr 1.2
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11:31<themill>acxty: you'd have to upgrade to lenny. I wouldn't recommend that. /msg dpkg moving target
11:32<DTE>bye all
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11:34<acxty>themill, does lenny is enough stable. Why won't you recommend upgrading to it?
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11:37<themill>acxty: lenny is not all smooth sailing. It is not always stable. Lenny users are expected to be able to solve a lot of problems on their own; they should be able to use the bts and themselves to answer the sorts of questions you've been asking. That you have asked these questions here, indicates you are not experienced enough or resourceful enough to deal with the problems that you *will* encounter.
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11:38<acxty>thanks, will wait then
11:39<themill>acxty: good plan
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11:39<darsie> still contains openssh 1:4.7p1-8. has 1:4.7p1-9 in testing. Does this mean, is not up to date?
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11:42<themill>darsie: it only went in today so it will take until the next mirror pulse to update.
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11:51<scimmiapazza>do someone know an useful tool for handle connections? ..I used knetworkmanager..but from e17 it doesn't work..
11:51<azeem>try nm-applet, maybe
11:51<azeem>i.e. network-manager-gnome
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11:52<scimmiapazza>tnx..i'll try it now..
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11:55<jclinton>what is this "e17" that you speak of? surely hell hasn't frozen over...
11:55<Villarroel>I get this error with sshfs: "fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory"
11:56<jclinton>Villarroel: did you build your own kernel?
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11:56<Villarroel>jclinton, nope.
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11:56<jclinton>Villarroel: kernel version?
11:56<scimmiapazza>jclinton: I don't understand..
11:56<Villarroel>Debian etch. Linux ned 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Thu May 8 06:49:39 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
11:56<jclinton>Villarroel: don't know
11:56<jclinton>scimmiapazza: humor
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11:59<bcochofel>Hi, is there some program to run on the console to check if I have new email? Maildir format
12:00<bcochofel>padski: ok, I'll give it a try
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12:01<padski>bcochofel, sorry, more an exemplar than a suggestion.
12:01<padski>bcochofel, debtags search mail::notification
12:02<bcochofel>padski: I once used wmbiff or something, but I need something that can run on the console
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12:02<bcochofel>padski: debtags?!
12:02<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
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12:03<zok>I just wanted to say that I recently switched from Fedora to Debian. Since then, I've noticed that debian is infinitely better and easier to manage
12:03<zok>As both a server and workstation
12:03<zok>mad props
12:04<padski>zok, props ?
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12:04<zok>That's how we say "good job" in these parts
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12:12<padski>and likewise. links to urbandictionary always welcome on a friday afternoon :-)
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12:13<jclinton>try "moon criket" as was used on the NASA press conference by some racist bastard
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12:14<dpkg>one warez list being sent to coccovaglia
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12:15<padski>I had found roflcopter
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12:17<abrotman>in ohio?
12:17<padski>abrotman, huh ?
12:17<fxiny>nasa ? what about "1202 alarm" ?
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12:18<fxiny>none ? , ok means the lunar module's computer is overloaded with too much data
12:19<fxiny>pretty nice error
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12:20<bcochofel>padski: how does bash notifies on the console new email? I'm trying to see where those $MAILCHECK $MAIL vars set
12:21<deejoe>zok: haha, that reminds me of this classic
12:21<fxiny>bcochofel: got the wide ?
12:21<bcochofel>fxiny: what?
12:21<padski>bcochofel, before displaying the prompt
12:21<fxiny>wide screen
12:21<bcochofel>oh, ok, not yet
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12:22<bcochofel>but I'm loving wmii. I manage to create an irssi notifier that shows the new message on the "status bar"
12:22<bcochofel>fxiny: now I'm trying something simple for emails
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12:23<fxiny>bcochofel: nice : pile 'em script up :)
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12:26<mitch>Can someone help me with getting debian working on my VMwareFusion?
12:26<malademental>hi mitch !
12:26<mitch>malademental: hey whats up!? Sorry I got back so late will you be around at 3:30 est?
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12:28<bcochofel>fxiny: sorry man, I believe my script won't work with the way you use irssi
12:28<bcochofel>fxiny: because of the screen
12:28<mitch>Whenever i startx I get fatal IO error
12:28<bcochofel>I have to have one xterm -T irssi -e irssi
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12:29<bcochofel>fxiny: so I can get client name = irssi and then write the message
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12:29<bcochofel>fxiny: but if you like I can send you the script, maybe you can adapt
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12:30<malademental>mitch, yesterday at 3:30?
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12:30<fxiny>bcochofel: i'll switch to wmmi as soon as a damned script will finish chewing all my ram . you can send it over , yes :)
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12:30<mitch>malademental: no today. That is when I wil be at my imac ready to install firefox3
12:31<malademental>oh yeah! that rox mitch !
12:31<malademental>huh, but what is EST? i only know GMT
12:31<mitch>malademental: where are u
12:31<dpkg>it has been said that est is Eastern Standard Time, but if you're outside of Indiana you probably need to use EST5EDT instead, or US/Eastern, or (use the tzconfig program to do this)
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12:32<bcochofel>fxiny: there are still some issues that I've not fix yet
12:32<mitch>malademental: I'm on new york time. so when it is 3:30 there
12:32<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:32<mitch>malademental: does that work? so like in 3 hours
12:33<malademental>yeah noprob, mitch, i have nothink to do tonight :p (it is only 7pm in france)
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12:33<mitch>malademental: ah a french man. I'm bring you wine :) bye!
12:34<malademental>mitch, remember, wine is not an emulator!!!
12:34<fxiny>bcochofel: swithcing to wmmi : now :)
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12:35<mitch>malademental: wow......i'm just in shock...... maybe i'll play with that when i get debian on my mbp
12:35<fxiny>burp :P
12:35<luan>you talk portuguese
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12:35<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
12:36<bcochofel>luan: but I talk pt :)
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12:37<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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12:43<bcochofel>fxiny: do you know how that console message saying "you have new email" works?
12:43<padski>bcochofel, when you log in ?
12:43<petemc>isnt it in /etc/pam.d
12:43<bcochofel>fxiny: if I export MAIL=~/Maildir I have those messages on the console
12:44<bcochofel>padski: they still appear after you log in, when you're using the console
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12:44<bcochofel>I know mail is check every $MAILCHECK
12:44<bcochofel>but I don't know how
12:45<Laeborg>any way to upgrade KDE 3.5 to KDE 4.0 ?
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12:45<padski>bcochofel, what petemc said looks good too /etc/pam.d/login
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12:46<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See or see also but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian.
12:47<padski>bcochofel, looking at the bash man page and relying on blurry memories I think that check is built into bash ?
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12:48<Laeborg>how to install new themes in kde?
12:48<bcochofel>padski: well, that sucks then :(
12:48<R2r>i have a problem its large so can i send to anyone its a html file
12:48<R2r>i have a problem its large so can i send to anyone its a html file
12:48<fxiny>bcochofel: grab this :
12:49<EmleyMoor>R2r: Use a pastebin
12:49<R2r>how are you padski the blade is fine
12:49<EmleyMoor>At least give us a hint as to what it's about first though
12:49<sander>How do I spesify which svn username I should use for checking out?
12:49<R2r>i cant it come's too bad
12:50<padski>R2r, glad to hear it. I'm fine thanks.
12:50<R2r>i cant paste it tust me its not a virus or anything
12:50<EmleyMoor>R2r: Can you put it on a web server somewhere and point us to it?
12:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:50<R2r>ok now i see ill do it
12:50<EmleyMoor>At least give us a hint as to what it is about
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12:51<R2r>its about shipment
12:51<padski>three syllables ;-)
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12:51<bcochofel>fxiny: thx, got it
12:52<R2r>see it read it
12:52<R2r>thats my part time job
12:52<fxiny>bcochofel: so . use that one with osd_cat and cron
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12:52<bcochofel>fxiny: I'll use it to appear on the status bar of wmii
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12:53<R2r>open suse has done it (no offense) cheers from me
12:53<R2r>!beer | padski
12:53*dpkg deftly decants a fine Guinness for | padski
12:53<bcochofel>fxiny: sometimes I go out of the pc and when I come back I know I have a new one
12:53<bcochofel>with osd I can't
12:53<R2r>are you guys reading it??
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12:54<EmleyMoor>Why are you asking us for that?
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12:54<R2r>because you guys are for support right?
12:55<EmleyMoor>Not for Ubuntu
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12:55<R2r>oh shit i forgot its for debian
12:55<R2r>ohh shit i typed for ubuntu iam really sorry
12:55<dpkg>the #debian-friendly channel is a place where you won't get flamed for being clueless
12:55<fxiny>bcochofel: what about the subject ?
12:55<R2r>!beer | padski
12:55*dpkg pours a quart of Yuengling Lager for | padski
12:56<R2r>!beer | EmleyMoor
12:56*dpkg pours a pint of Gulden Drak for | EmleyMoor
12:56<R2r>cheers guys
12:56<bcochofel>fxiny: I can print from: subject, the message I'll go to my mail client
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12:57<padski>what does [migration/0] do ?
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12:57<R2r>soo what do you guys say can debian do it??
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12:58<bcochofel>if debian doesn't have it, then it isn't needed :D
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12:58<R2r>soo what do you guys say can debian do it??
12:58<R2r>can they ship it
12:58<bcochofel>!beer | bcochofel
12:58*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for | bcochofel
12:59<Maulkin>And please, please stop doing that with the bot.
12:59<EmleyMoor>Why is everyone having their beer piped?
12:59<fxiny>bcochofel: i just had a osd_catted message on screen while talking to you : [SECURITY] [DSA 1576-2] New openssh packages fix predictable randomness . timeout after 15 seconds and is still on a isp server , very handy
12:59<personman>ooh is that like an irc beer bong?
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13:00<bcochofel>fxiny: when you're on the pc works great, I have that for irssi (
13:00<R2r>why are you angry man chill do you want another one?
13:00<fxiny>bcochofel: but my real script writes to a file
13:00<fxiny>bcochofel: i can check it anytime
13:00<bcochofel>fxiny: the problem is that my fellows collegues keep calling me and I live my pc very often
13:00<bcochofel>fxiny: then you can tail -n1 and write to status bar
13:01<R2r>bye got to sleep
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13:01<fxiny>bcochofel: i'm not saying you are wrong writing it to wmiii status bar .
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13:03<fxiny>bcochofel: no tail : check the Net::POP3; perl to see
13:03<bcochofel>fxiny: I know. the only problem I had with tail -n1 was to clear the message on client focus, so the wmiirc thing
13:03<fxiny>bcochofel: try that one
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13:03<bcochofel>fxiny: I'm gonna try that soon has I get home. thx
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13:04<fxiny>bcochofel: i'll try your script later for sure
13:04<bcochofel>fxiny: but use that wmii_notify with care, it's a bit buggy yet. soemtimes irssi blows
13:04<zorten>Any one up for a DVD burner question?
13:04<bcochofel>fxiny: maybe I have to leave the message out and only show user channel
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13:07<simonrvn>just ask
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13:09<fxiny>bcochofel: i check my mail only every 17 minutes m too many entries in my crontab but now i am upgrading : openssh-client openssh-server ssh . rulez ;)
13:11<fxiny>can winsta users do what the average debian users do ? hahahahaah
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13:12<bcochofel>M$ only let's people use what they like, not what they need
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13:13<fxiny>bcochofel: obviously osd_cat notifies even when the user is busy watching pr0n ;)
13:14<bcochofel>fxiny: right
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13:17<fxiny>bcochofel: i don't blame M$ for having stupid users : they get what they deserve
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13:21<zorten>I have a Lite-ON LDW-451S (EIDE) DVD+-RW drive. I Just recently moved to Etch 4.0r3 on this machine. It is detected as a CD Burner but not capable of DVD. I can burn DVDs with xcdroast. But they burn at 1x even when set to 8x and the media is faster than 1x.
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13:22<NinjaMan>has anyone here got upnp on skype to work?
13:25<zorten>I just checked config files all good. Do I need to enable SCSI Emulation?
13:25<zorten>I wouldn't think so.
13:25<EmleyMoor>zorten: It shouldn't be necessary
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13:31<bcochofel>fxiny: one question about wmii, how do you managed to toogle through the tag name screens?
13:32<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>How can I figure out my MAC Address?
13:32<bcochofel>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: /sbin/ifconfig
13:33<bcochofel>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: np
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13:35<fxiny>bcochofel: mod t , "mod shift t" to write a string
13:36<fxiny>bcochofel: there is a command too some : echo -n | , can't reacall it atm
13:37<bcochofel>fxiny: "mod shift t" send your client to another tag
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13:37<bcochofel>fxiny: I use "mod t" but I need a simple way
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13:38<fxiny>bcochofel: mod shitt t then write a string , put it back to a number by mod shift number
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13:39<fxiny>bcochofel: that's called "string tag" un the manual , can't find the dmaned ...
13:39<bcochofel>fxiny: is that your default? "mod shift t" string sends the current client for the string you've typed
13:40<bcochofel>fxiny: are you using 3.6?
13:40<fxiny>bcochofel: tag 2 , ok ? mod shit t then write web , now tag 2 is web
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13:41<fxiny>bcochofel: 3.1-5
13:41<personman>noticed there a flash player 10 beta out, still seems to have crappy video performance
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13:42<personman>no 64-bit version, of course
13:44<fxiny>bcochofel: echo -n web | wmiir write /view/sel/sel/tags
13:45<fxiny>bcochofel: echo -n view web | wmiir write /view/sel/sel/tags
13:45<fxiny>still can't find the damned pdf
13:45<bcochofel>fxiny: yep, the problem with that is that I can seen to bind it to a key because of emacs
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13:45<fxiny>bcochofel: i have no problems at all with emacs , i'm still surprise !
13:46<bcochofel>fxiny: did you bind that to some key?
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13:47<fxiny>bcochofel: i only changed mrxvtrc >> Mrxvt.macro.Ctrl+1: GotoTab 1 cause mod is taken by wmii
13:47<bcochofel>fxiny: wmiir xwrite /ctl view "$i"
13:47<fxiny>ahhh ctl yes
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13:50<fxiny>bcochofel: just this : MODKEY=Mod1 and WMII_FONT="-*-lucidatypewriter-medium-*-*-*-18-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"
13:50<fxiny>bcochofel: i ain't got any mod4 keys :))
13:51<bcochofel>fxiny: I have
13:51<fxiny>old stuff like ibm super clack clack keyboard , half a ton !
13:51<fxiny>best i ever had
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13:51<bcochofel>fxiny: MODKEY=Mod4
13:51<fxiny>bcochofel: no windows keys here and no problems with emacs
13:52<bcochofel>fxiny: do you have any problem with title windows and text with accent chars?
13:52<fxiny>bcochofel: i bet RMS will love to hear this :)
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13:52<fxiny>bcochofel: no utf8
13:53<bcochofel>fxiny: with is-8859-1
13:53<fxiny>plain "en_US"
13:53<fxiny>not even UK
13:53<fxiny>i'm so bored with locales
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13:55<fxiny>bcochofel: wc -l .emacs > 80 , pretty heavy , but no keys collisions
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13:56<fxiny>C ? maybe with lenny
13:56<fuzzwuzz>hi there =) I´m runnin debian 4.0 etch and got an ati card. i installed the fglrx but if i run glyinfo it tells me that i got no direct rendering
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13:57<dpkg>i heard ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a partial list. <radeon>, <radeonhd>
13:57<bcochofel>fxiny: LANG="en_US" (/etc/environment) right?
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13:58<fxiny>bcochofel: yes
13:58<fxiny>who cares about hyero&glyphos ?
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14:01<fxiny>bcochofel: dpkg-reconfigure locales or a super nuke one : LANG=C LC_ALL=C dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales heheheheh
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14:01<pouet>is anyone using grub2 ?
14:01<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
14:01<fxiny>grub2 is like Godot
14:01<pouet>i'm wondering how to add other os's to the config file
14:01<fxiny>it never come
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14:02<pouet>fxiny: some also say this for hurd, and i have a box with hurd :)
14:02<fxiny>pouet: in the sense i wait fot grub2 since ever
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14:03<fxiny>pouet: hurd ? GOOD !
14:03<padski>pouet, has it changed much from the previous grub ?
14:03<pouet>well it works for me, but i need to add some bsd and things are not much clear on how to do it
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14:03<fxiny>pouet: bsd free 7 ?
14:03<pouet>padski: much, specially on update-grub which uses complex templates
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14:04<pouet>fxiny: for example, and netbsd too
14:04<fxiny>pouet: ah net is ok
14:04<padski>I liked it when it was entirely outside the OS. seemed like a good idea to me :-)
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14:05<pouet>padski: nice idea but hard to maintain
14:05<pouet>fxiny: i was using it much, before i got bored with some pkgsrc breakage
14:05<fxiny>i'm too busy playing with tiled window managers and LUKS , can't really install anything more then debian
14:06<fxiny>and i think i'll try shorewall-perl over the weekend
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14:07<pouet>fxiny: i've played with many tiled managers the last month's ;)
14:07<simonrvn>os-prober *hint*
14:07<pouet>but still stay with ion3
14:07<pouet>simonrvn: yes but how ?
14:07<fxiny>pouet: they are the future ;: a window manager should manage windows
14:08<pouet>that's not much clear, or i missed something
14:08<fxiny>not pushing a user into mouse madness
14:08<fxiny>pouet: i like xmonad
14:08<simonrvn>install it, and it drops in a file for grub2
14:09<simonrvn>re-run update-grub, and it'll scan for other installed OSes (obviously)
14:09<pouet>simonrvn: thanks, i thought it was already within the package
14:09<pouet>fxiny: mouse is nice, but not for everything, and i prefer trackballs
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14:10<evand>apt complains of a missing key for the non-us servers... how do I fix this?
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14:10<fxiny>pouet: cp and paste is ok . or opening links but resizing windows or drag dropping is so dumb
14:11<simonrvn>non-us is dead
14:11<fxiny>pouet: i don't believe in virtual desktop ;)
14:11<simonrvn> etch
14:11<dpkg>hmm... non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see
14:11<fxiny>tag tag tag
14:11<evand>ah, thanks
14:11<pouet>simonrvn: did you try os-prober ?
14:12<fxiny>tags are windows properties and virtual desktops are a tale
14:12<simonrvn>yes, this is how i found out...
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14:12<pouet>simonrvn: strangely it doesn't find any other os
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14:13<pouet>fxiny: i hope some day there will be other devices to communicate with computers
14:13<fxiny>pouet: yes yes yes : a mike ? :)
14:14<pouet>fxiny: a mike ?
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14:15<bcochofel>fxiny: ok, how can I tell the name of the left, right, top and down keys?
14:16<fuzzwuzz>is there any GUI 4 that fglrx driver?
14:16<fxiny>bcochofel: hmmm : xmodmap is not . thinking ...
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14:18<mitch>malademental: hey
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14:18<malademental>mitch, hey ho!
14:18<mitch>malademental: want to help me get debian working on my mbp? I am using vmware
14:20<malademental>mitch, i'm a lil bit busy, and i don't know anything about vmware ^^
14:20<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
14:22<mitch>anyone know anything about vmware and debian?
14:22<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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14:22<fxiny>padski: tx very very much :))
14:23<padski>fxiny, what did I do ?
14:23<fxiny>padski: you saved me :)
14:23<fxiny>mitch: just a little :)
14:23<padski>from having to type !anyone ?
14:23<mitch>I'm sorry i am using vmware on a mbp. I can't get x to start with etch
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14:23<ptr>just did apt-get install kvm
14:23<fxiny>mitch: i know vmware works very well on ectch
14:24<padski>does anyone here use a computer ? ;-)
14:24<fxiny>that's all i know
14:24<fxiny>mitch: just run the pl
14:24<bcochofel>fxiny: and etch works very well on vmware ;)
14:24<padski>kvm on lenny is simply blinding (at least the little I have done with it)
14:24<fxiny>mitch: install headers
14:25<ptr>I've got a core 2 duo, but the module refuses to load, with 'operation not supported'. Any idea why this might be?
14:25<ptr>and does kvm only work in 64-bit mode?
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14:25<fuzzwuzz>i have a asus a9250 gaphic card
14:25<padski>ptr, on an MK-36 you have to load the amd module specifically
14:25<bcochofel>fxiny: can I use xmodmap to read the key name? sorry, I don't know much about keymaps
14:26<mitch>fxiny: what?
14:26<fxiny>bcochofel: etch long legs don't like walking in a box like that : vwmare is for running some dos thing *in* etch
14:26<ptr>padski: mk-36?
14:26<ptr>padski: this is an intel processor
14:26<fuzzwuzz>is it only working with Raedon?
14:27<fxiny>mitch: just install kernel headers , run vmware perl script
14:27<bcochofel>fxiny: sometimes I use vmware to test things on etch before I apply then to my box
14:27<fxiny>bcochofel: i have more then one etch :)
14:27<bcochofel>mitch: look google for: vmware server+etch+howto forge
14:27<fxiny>bcochofel: one LUKS so nice ;)
14:27<padski>ptr, I gathered that. perhaps you will need to load the intel module ?
14:27<ptr>padski: that's the error I get from 'modprobe kvm_intel'
14:27<mitch>bcochofel: i did not help
14:28<padski>ptr :-(
14:28<bcochofel>mitch: sorry, you did not help?!
14:28<fxiny>bcochofel: i run a nextenta appliance on etch vmware
14:28<mitch>bcochofel: I did look. It didn't help. It only showed me how to install vmware on debian systems
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14:28<padski>ptr, did you do the grepping the cpuinfo thing ?
14:29<bcochofel>mitch: debian etch, right?
14:29<mitch>bcochofel: yes
14:29<ptr>padski: /proc/cpuinfo shows Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU
14:29<fxiny>mitch: lemme boot a box
14:29<bcochofel>mitch: sorry, what do you really want?
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14:30<Gathond>ptr: doesn't kvm require a VT enabled CPU?
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14:30<mitch>bcochofel: to get debian running on my vmware on my mbp
14:30<padski>ptr, kvm-intel perhaps ?
14:30<ptr>I see vmx in flags: in /proc/cpuinfo
14:30<bcochofel>mitch: mbp?
14:30<Gathond>ptr: most bioses I've seen with core2duo and VT support has it disabled in the bios
14:30<mitch>bcochofel: mac book pro
14:30<padski>ptr, yeah that's what I meant
14:30<ptr>Gathond: OK, I'll reboot and brb. Thanks!
14:30<bcochofel>mitch: ok
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14:31<bcochofel>mitch: you have a mbp with vmware installed and you want to install etch on it?
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14:32<mitch>bcochofel: yes. I installed already but can't get x working
14:32<fxiny>mitch: vmware_1_05_080322 : run symlink
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14:32<bcochofel>mitch: you have xserver-xorg right?
14:32<mitch>fxiny: ???
14:33<mitch>bcochofel: i have w/e the install gives me
14:33<fxiny>make sure you have kernel headers installed : linux-headrs-2.6.18-6 , are you on etch ?
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14:34<bcochofel>mitch: # apt-get install xorg
14:34<bcochofel>mitch: # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
14:34<fxiny>ahhh a mac user ok ok
14:35<mitch>bcochofel: u want me to run apt-get install xorg?
14:35<bcochofel>mitch: yep
14:35<mitch>bcochofel: already have newest verson
14:35<bcochofel>mitch: then the other cmd
14:36<padski>do you still get the vmx flag if its disabled in the bios ?
14:36<mitch>bcochofel: should i use vesa or vga?
14:37<bcochofel>mitch: you have to try some configuration that works, but sorry, that I can't help
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14:37<deejoe>I'd try vesa
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14:38<ptr>Gathond: awesome! that did it.
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14:39<Gathond>ptr: glad to be of service
14:39<ptr>thanks :)
14:39<fxiny>!beer Gathond
14:39*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Jever for Gathond
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14:39<Bruce>i need to reconfigure my network on my debian box
14:39<Gathond>not entirely sure why they all insist on disabling it as a default
14:40<Gathond>I suppose there might be some slight penalty somewhere
14:40<fxiny>because they are evil
14:40<mitch>bcochofel: that worked thank you
14:40<bcochofel>mitch: np
14:40<mitch>bcochofel: sorry for being noobish
14:40<Bruce>i know of ifconfig, but i want to assign new internal ip and bind a port to irc server, how can i do this?
14:40<fxiny>a penalty ? so is that a crap ?
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14:40<bcochofel>mitch: we all are in some questions
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14:42<Gathond>fxiny: I was thinking more in line with a performance penalty when not running VM's
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14:43<padski>Gathond, security. rootkits.
14:43<Gathond>padski: I suppose those can use the instructions as well yeah
14:44<padski>Gathond, :-)
14:44<Bruce>how should the format be in 'ifconfig (internal ip of lan)" ? like that?
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14:45<bcochofel>fxiny: I know that there's a program to read the keycode and gives me the name off the key but I can't remember it
14:45<bcochofel>when I hit a key I mean
14:45<fxiny>bcochofel: xev ?
14:46<fuzzwuzz>ah and iceweasel dies after a while when i run moviestreams on flash or java applications
14:46<fxiny>no name just keycode
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14:46<Bruce>can someone help me?
14:46<fuzzwuzz>is there a known bug?
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14:46<fxiny>bcochofel: xmodmap is for checking your mod(ifier) keys
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14:47<bcochofel>fxiny: ok, thx
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14:47<fxiny>bcochofel: np
14:48<fxiny>bcochofel: msg dpkg !keymap
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14:48<bcochofel>Bruce: to change the ip look at /etc/network/interfaces
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14:48<bcochofel>Bruce: to bind a port to irc server look for irc server config
14:49<Bruce>i typed 'ifconfig' and it shows me the correct info, but i cant bind it to port 6667 for ircserver
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14:49<Bruce>in the conf on irc server, its set to bind to port 6667 but debian is not letting it bind, not sure how to fix this problem
14:50<bcochofel>Bruce: what's the server?
14:50<Bruce>ultimateircd 2.8
14:50<Bruce>for irc server
14:50<Bruce>i edit the conf files already but when running it, it gives me error on 'couldn't bind to port 6667'
14:51<bcochofel>Bruce: then change it to 6668
14:51<Bruce>i had other ircserver running before, but i deleted it, and trying a new version
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14:51<Bruce>any port that i change in the conf file for irc server will not be able to bind it
14:51<bcochofel>Bruce: use netstat
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14:52<Galoula>hello, Im french, And I a little bug with my mouse, she's VERY SLOW, where I can configure it ?
14:52<bcochofel>Bruce: netstat -nplt | grep 6667
14:53<Bruce>nothign shows up
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14:55<Bruce>one minute for a guru in here to help me?
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14:58<Bruce>how can i reconfigure my network? can someone help me pls? i tried reading but dont understand how can i set it up
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15:02<fxiny>Bruce: apt-cache search dancer-ircd
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15:05<Bruce>ty fxiny
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15:06<fxiny>Bruce: np , check dancer-ircd-doc and dancer-services
15:07<Bruce>dancer-ircd - an IRC server designed for centrally maintained network
15:07<Bruce>dancer-ircd-doc - Dancer documentation
15:07<Bruce>dancer-services - IRC services implementation for dancer-ircd
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15:11<fxiny>Bruce: apt-cache show <packagename> as in apt-cache show dancer-ircd , do not paste it here :)
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15:19<mitch>malademental, hey buddy i am good to go
15:21<mitch>malademental, are you here?
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15:31<mitch>malademental, hello?
15:31<mitch>anyone want to help me compile firefox 3b5 for ppc?
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15:32<dpkg>tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand., but for an easier way to compile the kernel, apt-get install kernel-package, or something you should only do if you're SURE there isn't already a debian package that meets your needs, and never into places that could conflict with dpkg
15:32<mitch>i have dependency issues
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15:32<mitch>o hi padski
15:32<padski>mitch, you don't say ;-)
15:33<padski>mitch, did noone package firefox3 yet ?
15:33<Mastroquet>mitch: which dependencies issues?
15:33<mitch>padski i have an issue come dependcys.
15:33<mitch>gtk+ i think
15:33<mitch>let me run it again
15:34<mitch>hang on
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15:35<mitch>i think i need sid or lenny repos. (I'm still trying to understand debian's sid,etch,lenny thing)
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15:39<padski>mitch, it is in experimental yes ?
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15:41<alephnull>What was the package to get back the Debian menu in the GNOME panel ?
15:42<padski>menu-xdg seems to be the suggestion
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15:44<alephnull>padski: Yeah, I have both menu and menu-xdg installed. I seem to vaguely remember something else being suggested on debian-user but I am unable to find it.
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15:45<padski>alephnull, what about --reinstall of that package ?
15:45<mitch>padski, the problem lies with gtk+ 2.0
15:46<mitch>Mastroquet, the problem lies with gtk 2.0
15:46<mitch>padski, Mastroquet i have 2.0 i need 2.10
15:46<padski>alephnull, or
15:47<amphi>mitch: you're trying to build on etch?
15:47<mitch>amphi, yes
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15:48<amphi>mitch: I doubt that's going to work
15:48<personman>my bad, they say video performance IS fixed in the flashplayer 10 beta, but that GPU compositing won't work if you are running a compsiting window manager
15:48<mitch>amphi, then how do i get to sid or lenny.
15:48<amphi>!tell mitch -about etch->lenny
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15:48<amphi>mitch: you do not want sid, I expect ;)
15:48<mitch>amphi, that didn't wprl
15:49<amphi>heh, off-by-one
15:49<amphi>!doesn't work
15:49<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
15:49<alephnull>padski: Thanks. Preferences -> Main menu did the trick.
15:49<mitch>amphi so i jsut edit my source.list file?
15:50<amphi>Version: 2.12.9-3 is what I have here for libgtk2
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15:50<mitch>amphi, will that give me pidgin?
15:50<padski>mitch, when I try to apt-get build-dep the iceweasel in experimental I get package xulrunner-dev cannot be found
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15:51<mitch>padski, is that a warning not to go into lenny?
15:51<amphi>mitch: apt-cache search pidgin returns a list of several packages, so I guess that's a 'yes'
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15:51<mitch>amphi, thanks a bunch
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15:52<amphi>mitch: welcome
15:52<padski>mitch, looks like the xulrunner-1.9 dep is in experimental ...
15:52<padski>"Build-Depends dependency for xulrunner-1.9 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements"
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15:53<pbn>Hello, when doing aptitude upgrade on a etch machine, here is what I get: The following packages have been kept back: openssh-client openssh-server
15:53<pbn>... is this normal ?
15:53<ifvoid|0314331>run dist-upgrade instead
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15:53<Gathond>or ask it to install those packages with install
15:53<padski>mitch, I expect you could probably just install the binaries from experimental on lenny, but to build on etch is more than I can be bothered to try.
15:53<pbn>yes but dist-upgrade will upgrade the machine to testing ... no ?
15:54<ifvoid|0314331>pbn: no
15:54<Gathond>pbn: no, not unless you have changed the sources
15:54<Gathond>pbn: it will however add/remove packages if it deems that appropriate
15:54<pbn>ifvoid|0314331, Gathond: ah ok...
15:54<ifvoid|0314331>pbn: it will _never_ automatically upgrade to a different version, unless you explicitly change the configuration
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15:54<Gathond>upgrade will never install new packages, nor remove them
15:54<mitch>padski, so should i up to lenny and try building or not
15:54<Gathond>dist-upgrade is intended for upgrading major versions though
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15:56<pbn>The following NEW packages will be automatically installed: openssh-blacklist
15:56<pbn>The following NEW packages will be installed: openssh-blacklist
15:56<pbn>The following packages will be upgraded: openssh-client openssh-server
15:56<pbn>... ouch ?
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15:56<padski>mitch, at the very least you are going to want a later debhelper if you are intent on building a packages for etch.
15:56<pbn>hm I don't like "blacklist" :)
15:56<Gathond>that new package is why upgrade kept them back
15:57<dondelelcaro>you actually don't *need* a newer debhelper, but it's a good idea.
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15:57<Gathond>pbn: its to blacklist keys generated by the broken openssl debian had until recently
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15:58<coldtobi>pbn apt-cache show openssh-blacklist
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16:03<gj>someone using gnome and knows why with all DARK GNOME GTK THEMES i used sofar the taskbar stays grey and menu background as well
16:04<padski>dondelelcaro, it is first in the build-depends list :-)
16:05<mitch>amphi, thanks i am upgrading to lenny right now
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16:08<EmleyMoor>One of my machines failed to back up the last two nights - due to the ssh issue - all sorted now
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16:17<guillaume_>hello :) , dpkg fail to setup acpid on my sid, can somebody help me ? =>
16:18<valdyn>guillaume_: why are you mixing debian distros?
16:18<valdyn>guillaume_: what do you think acpi-support dépend de acpid (>= 1.0.4) ; cependant :" means ?
16:19<EmleyMoor>I should be all go on the backups again now - fixed my ssh keys
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16:23<hachi>is there an alternative to autofs?
16:23<hachi>the daemon's got a config parser that is a piece of junk
16:24<hachi>I'm gonna end up patching it to actually get what I want done, or find a different tool
16:24<EmleyMoor>hachi: What is it you're actually trying to do?
16:24<hachi>-DPREFIX= in the master file
16:24<hachi>but : and / are not allowed in macro values
16:25<hachi>this of course isn't documented
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16:26<hachi>there appears to be no way to pass options to an executable map file
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16:26<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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16:30<kop>What with the ssl debacle I've had to remove a number of lines from various known_hosts files. Fine when the hostnames (etc) are not hashed, but doable only by trial and error-message-detection otherwise. Are there any tools out there to remove lines from known_hosts based on a given hostname or IP?
16:31<hachi>kop: see option -R on ssh-keygen
16:31<hachi>it does exactly that
16:31<kop>Speaking of, is there a config entry that controls whether the known_hosts file is hashed or not?
16:31<kop>hachi : Thanks.
16:31*EmleyMoor will check on that should an occurrence of this ever occur again
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16:32<hachi>I'm pretty sure it's documented in ssh_config
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16:33<kop>hachi : man ssh I find HashKnownHosts, but I don't see any text describing what that really does. (Although what else would it be?)
16:33<kop>hachi : You're right again. :)
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16:34<coldtobi>kop, ssh-vulnkeys and the order of the keys in known_hosts correleate
16:34<coldtobi>so first host broken -> del line 1
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16:35<Supermule_>Hi. When I press the changelog link here then I get page-not-found. I also get this for other ssh-related packages. It seems like a bug. If it is, where would I report it?
16:35<hachi>kop: it gets overlooked somewhat often, but the SEE ALSO section of manpages is something you should always chase :)
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16:35<hachi>I have a tendancy to get very angry if there isn't one
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16:36<kop>hachi : Righto. I was too busy chasing keys I guess.
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16:40<guillaume_>valdyn: I'm not, my repository are unstable
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16:42<padski>is there a way to install using Depends: syntax, for example 'apt-get install debhelper (>= 5.0.59)'
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16:44<padski>hmm, the triff in my aptitude man page looks a bit messed up :-(
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16:45*EmleyMoor wondered if triff was short for triffid for a moment
16:46<padski>aptitude has install pkg=version
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16:47<padski>as does apt-get
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16:48<padski>kinda strange, since apt-get build-dep has to be able to do effectively this ...
16:49<sea>padski: do you wont to impose that ">" for debhelper ?
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16:52<padski>sea, I'm playing about with the idea of making it easier to do stuff like try to build sid or experimental packages on sid. It occured to me to apt-get install <the text of the Build-Depends: line>
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16:52<padski>and then I noticed this
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16:54<sea>padski: i think this can be donne only by the dev of a specified package
16:54<sea>, my thought , sure
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16:55<orvux>hi everybody...
16:55<orvux>i'm having problems with my debian server...
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16:56<orvux>too many ARP Who-Has Request...
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16:56<orvux>in the Port 0 i'm having traffic...
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16:57<orvux>what we can do??
16:57<malademental>sorry for orvux, it's a little question about the console, (i use xfce4 console) i think it's a charset problem, special chars don't show
16:57<malademental>and i don't know how to change the charset in the xfce console u_u
16:58<orvux>malademental: i'm using gnome... sorry..
16:59<orvux>well i hope somebody help me... this traffic is eating 30Kbps
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16:59<EmleyMoor>orvux: Is it your box making the requests
17:01<orvux>EmleyMoor: i think not, but really i don't know...
17:01<orvux>EmleyMoor: this is an output from tcpdump:
17:02<EmleyMoor>orvux: Is the IP after "tell" your box?
17:02-!-mode/#debian [+l 379] by debhelper
17:02<orvux>EmleyMoor:14:00:57.606767 arp who-has tell
17:02<amphi>malademental: it's not just the font?
17:03<EmleyMoor>orvux: What IP is your box currently on?
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17:04<orvux>EmleyMoor: and i have too many request like this and is not from my ip..
17:04<EmleyMoor>OK - and do you know
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17:06<coldtobi>are the arps stopping when you (briefly) disconnect?
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17:07<orvux>EmleyMoor: nope, i dont know
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17:08<orvux>EmleyMoor: wait, this is the default gateway...
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17:08<orvux>EmleyMoor: from: route -n
17:09<EmleyMoor>orvux: Assuming the arp requests stop if you disconnect, I would be asking your ISP if this is "normal" and whether "proper traffic" will override it
17:09<coldtobi>orvus, could you just overhear all the traffic on your net? (Well, unlikely)
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17:09<coldtobi>are you using some "shared" medium, like cable or WLAN?
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17:11<malademental>amphi, it's monospace my font, i don't think it don't support utf-8 :/
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17:12<orvux>coldtobi: yep, i'm using cable adsl
17:12<orvux>coldtobi: now, i can't disconnect ii because is a remote server
17:13<coldtobi>decide, cable OR DSL?
17:13<orvux>coldtobi: sorry... i'm using cable
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17:15<coldtobi>Well.. It think it is supposed to be encrypted with individual keys, but if not, you'll gonna hear your neighbour, isn't it?
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17:16<orvux>coldtobi: no it's not...
17:17<orvux>coldtobi: it's not encrypted...
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17:19<coldtobi>maybe someone else here used a cable modem before? I did never, so I can only suspect that you really hear your neighbours... Well, do you hear also other traffic (other stations)?
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17:24<shilow>can someone help me with something, i have a custom kernel and am not able to install the nvidia drivers it has an error building and dumps do you have to compile the kernel with anything special to get nvidia drivers to build?
17:24<tj>Hi, Could anyone tell me if OpenVPN configurations using PKI is affected by the ssl bug?
17:24<amphi>malademental: FWIW, I use deja vu sans mono, and I see accented characters and various other scripts ok
17:24<coldtobi>shilow: Version? Error?
17:25<shilow>hold on ill put it on pastebin
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17:25<malademental>amphi, i think it's a locale problem
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17:25<malademental>(locale, the command)
17:26<Ganneff>tj: its using ssl - if those certs have been generated on debian - yes.
17:27<tj>Thanks. I'll get to work then :P
17:27<Kjetil>shilow: It won't build on 2.6.24-25
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17:28<shilow>it built on 24 when i used one from the repo
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17:28<debacle>hi all, postfix gurus here ? i can't deliver mail to an smtp. mailq report this error: Error: timeout exceeded (in reply to end of DATA command))
17:29<shilow>thats what the log said when it tried to build
17:29<Kjetil>You can patch it the kernel and the driver to build on 2.6.25, but my kernel became unstable
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17:30<Kjetil>shilow: global_flush_tlb has been removed from the kernel module API ( some kernel developer though it was a good idea.. )
17:31<shilow>so basicly it's not compat
17:31<tj>shilow: you need a patch to the nvidia-kernel-sources.
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17:31<tj>pretty easy to find with google
17:31<shilow>so i'll pretty much have to redo my custom kernel correct?
17:31<tj>No.. you nly need to patch nvidia-kernel-soruces
17:31<tj>Thats what i did.
17:32<Jakelandiar>can i speak german or is english only?
17:32<shilow>u jknow of a howto
17:32<Kjetil>and they have removed export of a mm-struct (which have been exported from 2.0 or something like that)
17:32<shilow>i'm retarded when it comes to patching
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17:32<tj>See the first relpy
17:32<Jakelandiar>can anyone help me? i need the /etc/apache2/mods-available/authn_file.load file
17:33<Kjetil>that is a nvidia-legacy patch ?
17:33<tj>Works for the other source-package too.
17:34<shilow>okay i dont quite understand it if i use that pacth i wont have to recompile and make a new image?
17:34<tj>No you only need to recompile the nvidia module.
17:34<Jakelandiar>how can i get the file?
17:34<tj>m-a a-i nvidia-kernel
17:34<tj>after applying the patch.
17:35<shilow>and if i do that i wont have to install the nvidia drivers ?
17:35<tj>I also has to move the nvidia-kernel-soruce.tar.gz file because module-assistant overwrites the patched sources :P
17:35<shilow>sorry if i seem retarded, i'm just not grasping ht e concept
17:35<malademental>amphi, i made a locale_gen and it works =)
17:35<amphi>malademental: good-oh
17:36<tj>shilow: Ok.. You use nvidia-kernel-source (the package) right?
17:36<Jakelandiar>can nobody here help me?
17:36<shilow>no i used the sh file form nvidias website
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17:37<tj>ah.. Thats not really a good idea IMHO. But i guess that could work too. But i've not done that.
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17:37<shilow>that must be why i was confused
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17:37<shilow>so just use apt, get the nvidia src and then patch it withthe patch and mkpkg?
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17:39<tj>ok here is what you do. add non-free to apt/sources. run $ apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source module-assistant then run m-a prepare (installes headers and build essentials)
17:39<coldtobi>--> package apache2-common
17:39<tj>then go to /usr/src
17:40<tj>untar the nvidia-kernel.tar.gz (i think)
17:40<tj>go to /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel in that directory run $ patch -p1 < the_file_from_the_nvidia_forum.diff
17:41<swb>hi all
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17:41<tj>then you need to move /usr/share/nvidia-kernel.tar.gz to a temporary location.
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17:41<tj>and finally run m-a a-i nvidia-kernel
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17:41<tj>that creates a deb package with the kernel module for you.
17:41<swb>how can I choose the order how the sata_* kernel modules are loaded?
17:41<tj>finnaly run deb -i /usr/src/nvidia-kernel*.deb
17:42<tj>Phew ;)
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17:42<evoke>any one here
17:43<evoke> i just made a simple calculator application in anjuta with a GTK project
17:43<evoke><evoke> I was wondering how would i install it in to my debian etch OS
17:43<evoke><evoke> using anjuta 1.2.4a
17:43<Jakelandiar>23:39:41 < coldtobi > --> package apache2-common <-- thx but thats my problem... ther is noch authn_file.load
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17:44<Jakelandiar>can not only anyone give me the file?
17:44<shilow>omg this room rocks on efnet i woudl have got google it ..
17:45<tj>Did it work? :P
17:45<shilow>workin it now
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17:46<evoke>anyone know how to do what i am doing
17:46<coldtobi>ought to be... look at
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17:47<bitlogic>I just installed debian stable but when tried to install compiz realise that the version available was very old (0.2.2) so I gave it a try to install from backports 0.5.?
17:48<tj>compiz on stable? eh.
17:48<tj>try switching to testing thats a bit easier.
17:48<coldtobi>bitlogic: go lenny or (if brave) sid
17:48<bitlogic>anyway, still didn't had compiz-settings-manager so I changed the sources.list to lenny and installed only the packages needed to compiz
17:49<bitlogic>the effects are working, but menu don't work
17:49<Jakelandiar>ok thx. i install lighttpd i think that is easier...
17:49<bitlogic>someone had the same problem?
17:50<bitlogic>I already googled a lot and didn't find anything
17:50<tj>Last time i tried compiz it was called beryl.. sorry i'm probably not much help :)
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17:51<bitlogic>I already had the same problem on another machine but I can't remember what changes I made, probably I just installed all from testing!
17:51<shilow>patch fauiled maybe i patched wrong file ?
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17:51<bitlogic>tj, thx anyway
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17:52<tj>shilow: Yeah i also had some trouble getting it to patch.. maybe try with -p2 ?
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17:53<tj>Wait.. Does it find the files at all? or do you get chunk errors?
17:53<shilow>the file i'm patching is nv-kernel.o.x86_64 right ?
17:53<bitlogic>another question, about php5
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17:53<swb>bigjocker: maybe you could try this:
17:54<swb>bitlogic: this works very fine for me on sid
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17:54<swb>bitlogic: maybe you could try this:
17:54<bitlogic>I just tried to download from testing php5 sources but I couldn't!
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17:54<tj>eh.. no. Your patching a whole directory. really.
17:54<bitlogic>swb , that repo is only for sid?
17:55<tj>inside /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/ run patch -p3 -s < ~/NVIDIA_kernel-96.43.05-2290218.diff.txt
17:55<coldtobi>bitlogic, my glass sphere broke yesterday....
17:55<tj>patch finds the right files.
17:55<swb>bitlogic: there is also one for etch, but with an older compiz version
17:56<bitlogic>does it have for lenny also?
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17:56<swb>bitlogic: visit the site, then you know
17:56<shilow>that worked
17:56<evoke>how do you find where you application was installed when you installed it from a tarball
17:57<shilow>i need to read the man on patch i still dont know how to use it
17:57<shilow>actually, it's still asking me for a file to patch
17:57<swb>does anybody know anything about the load order of kernel modules?
17:58<debacle>my postfix can't deliver mail to an smtp. mailq report this error: Error: timeout exceeded (in reply to end of DATA command)) can anyone help me please ?
17:58<amphi>evoke: /usr/local is usually the default prefix; make -n install | less will show you what it will do/did
17:58<bitlogic>swb , I think I'll give a try
17:58<tj>shilow: yeah that means you in the wrong directory.. I'll try to figure out what i did.. just a sec :P
17:59<shilow>hang on i'll show you
17:59<bitlogic>today I tried to download php5 source from lenny using apt-get source php5 but gave the message that the package didn't exist!
17:59<bitlogic>on binaries it exists
17:59<bitlogic>also tried php5-common and nothing
17:59<bitlogic>does anyone knows how to download the sources of php5?
17:59<shilow>ahh, it looks like it's supposed to work from the nv dir
18:00<evoke>does it not come up on the menu when i install
18:01<evoke>like application menu
18:01<tj>shilow: yeah thats probably it.
18:01<evoke>where al the other programs are
18:01<amphi>evoke: not unless you add it yourself
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18:02<evoke>how do i run the program i just installed
18:02<amphi>evoke: try running it from a term?
18:02<evoke>yea ok
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18:03<bitlogic>coldtobi , why can't I donwload it from apt?
18:03<shilow>did that patch ?
18:03<bitlogic>Am I doing something wrong?
18:03<evoke>just wondering where the file is that i need to run the program
18:04<coldtobi> php5. This package is a meta-package. I suppose thats the reason.
18:04<tj>shilow: nope.. you probably have a old version of nvidia-kernel-soruce package installed.
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18:04<evoke>never mind figured it out
18:04<tj>You might need to get it from sid/unstable
18:04<evoke>thanks a million
18:04<qq>bitlogic: have you done a "apt-get update" before tring to install ?
18:05<amphi>evoke: /usr/local/bin I expect; is /usr/local/bin in your PATH?
18:05<shilow>i just now grabbed it with apt
18:05<bitlogic>qq, yep
18:06<shilow>i'll try and find another i suppose
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18:06<qq>bitlogic: what do: cat /etc/debian_version
18:07<tj>shilow: what does dpkg-query -l nvidia-kernel-source say?
18:07<coldtobi>bitlogic. @sid, it works with apt-get source php5
18:07<tj>i have version 169.12-1
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18:07<evoke>just for now how do you get your program in the applcation menu
18:08<evoke>where is that directory
18:08<tj>shilow: ah.. sorry i dident notice.. you are using the wrong patch
18:08<shilow>i have the wrong esrc
18:08<shilow>my card is the version of the patch
18:08<tj>shilow: you need this: NVIDIA_kernel-169.12-2286310.diff.txt
18:08<shilow>thats too new for my nvidia card
18:08<tj>too new? thats a new one :P
18:09<shilow>when i used the one form the site i had to use the 9x one
18:09<shilow>does it not matter withthe src?
18:09<tj>I'm not sure.
18:09<tj>You might as well try it.
18:09<grummund_>hi, anyone here using the Aviosys IP video server?
18:09<tj>Or you can just use nvidia-kernel-legacy-source i guess.
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18:10<bitlogic>qq, is that importante?
18:10<amphi>evoke: dunno - I don't use a menu myself; I find a run box, like grun, much more convenient
18:11<shilow>i guess i can give it a wack
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18:11<tj>shilow: nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source to be exact.
18:11<shilow>thats the one i need
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18:13<tj>It's the same procedure with the patching i think.
18:13<shilow>it's downloading does that need patched?
18:13<shilow>oh okay
18:13<shilow>yea i have an older nvidia card from like 2003
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18:14<qq>bitlogic: may be , except you'r allready on lenny
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18:14<souza>como vai
18:14<bitlogic>qq, yep, I'm not on that box now, but, yes, it's lenny on it
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18:16<qq>bitlogic: ok , so comme back then you are on the box, pls
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18:16<shilow>tj, which patch is used for the legacy i am not seeing it there
18:17<tj>probably NVIDIA_kernel-96.43.05-2290218.diff.txt
18:17<shilow>oh the one i have gee wiz i'm a genious
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18:17<shilow>i swear to god i gtook my stupid pills this morning
18:17<bitlogic>qq, ok
18:17<bitlogic>qq, thx
18:18<qq>np bitlogic
18:18<shilow>i'm not sure but when i downloaded the nvidia legacy drivers i think it may be patched already it doenloaded it packed unpacked diff and orig
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18:26<coldtobi>unrelated to debian, but: Do someone know how to use html-tidy under php5, if your webhoster did not install it? Can I use the pear:tidy class, which is orignally written for php4?
18:29<Myeisha>lenny kernel 2.6.25-2: why do i get such an unbelievable amount of debug messages (dirtied inode / read block / write block)?
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18:35<orvux>coldtobi: i can hear other traffic...
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18:45<Alejandrito>Hi all!
18:46<RastASD>hello, do you have any idea how can i switch the built in wireless and bluetooth interface on?
18:46<RastASD>it's a fujitsu-siemens amilo pro v8210, i didn't find any usefull information, my linux distr is debian 4.0
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18:47<orvux>RastASD: iwconfig
18:48<orvux>RastASD: what are you using Gnome, KDE??
18:49<RastASD>i think
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18:49<shilow>well here goes nothing..
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18:50<orvux>RastASD: in the last case you should use ndiswrapper..
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18:52<RastASD>iwconfig dosn't help, under windows i needed to switch bluetooth/wireless on with fn+f10
18:52<RastASD>the command iwconfig under root terminal gives me no wireless extension
18:53<RastASD>hold on one sec
18:53<Myeisha>lenny kernel 2.6.25-2 (amd64): why do i get such an awkward amount of debug messages (dirtied inode / read block / write block)? one line for each fs action (temporary fs included) is a bit... much...
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18:55<orvux>i think the same fn+f10 should do the work... :P
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18:56<RastASD>orvux: should i hear or see any sign after pressing fn+10
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18:59<RastASD>anyway it doesn't work
18:59<shilow>tj, i found an interesting article the sh files actually have a --apply-patch switch which i used that patch on and it did the rest and built without a hitch
18:59<evoke>anyone know how to put your program in to the application toolbar in debian
19:00<evoke>i put it in /usr/share/applications but it did not show up in the menu
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19:01<orvux>RastASD: if you run lspci the result show you wireless card??
19:01<Bruce>i get error on debian when booting up
19:02<Bruce>postgre fix could not bind to .. something like that
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19:02<orvux>evoke: What window manager (desktop) are you using?? Gnome, KDE??
19:02<Bruce>when i start it up, it says 'failed'
19:02<Bruce>how do i find out what i have?
19:03<Bruce>gnu 4.0
19:03<orvux>Burce: did you install Postgresql???
19:03<Bruce>this box someone worked on it before, but he left and i dunno what he did to it
19:04<Bruce>apt-get Postgresql ?
19:04<Bruce>or how do i reconfigure pastgresql? any links that will help me will be fine .. thansk in advance
19:05<dendrite>Bruce: So it's PostgreSQL that won't start?
19:05<Bruce>it says failed
19:05<Bruce>i think so, the daemon, whatever that is
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19:06<Bruce>i am rebooting the systme to see the error again
19:06<dendrite>Bruce: No need to reboot
19:06<dendrite>Bruce: /etc/init.d/postg<tab> <enter>
19:06<Bruce>Starting domain service: bind failed! <--- thats the error i get
19:07<Bruce>not postgresql .. sorry
19:07<dendrite>Bruce: Ah, so not postgresql.
19:07<dendrite>So, any clues in the logs?
19:07<Bruce>yeah, sorry, it does it on boot up so i have to read it fast
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19:07<dendrite>Bruce: Are you running a DNS server on that machine?
19:07<Bruce>uhmm i think the guy that was using it before did it
19:07<Bruce>can i shut it down?
19:08<Bruce>ps aux ? and kill ?
19:08<dendrite>Bruce: ... So, do *you* need to run a DNS server?
19:08<Bruce>i just want irc server and run an eggdrops
19:08<dendrite>Bruce: In that case, remove it. Avoid running any services you don't need to run.
19:08<Bruce>how do i remove it?
19:08<Bruce>or how i start the gui?
19:09<Bruce>i used redhat before but not familiar on debian.. sorry
19:09<dendrite>Bruce: First, figure out what bind you have: "dpkg -l | grep bind"
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19:10<RastASD>i think this is my wireless network interface from lspci: 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device 001c (rev 01) Do you have any idea how to turn it on?
19:10<EnriqueI>oy atheros!
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19:10<Alejandrito>RastASD: oyu nees ndiswrapper
19:10<Alejandrito>you need*
19:10<abrotman>not always
19:10<Bruce>Rolanda:~# dpkg -l | grep bind
19:10<Bruce>ii bind9 9.3.4-2etch1 Internet Doma in Name Server
19:10<Alejandrito>or madwifi
19:11<Bruce>ii bind9-doc 9.3.4-2etch1 Documentation for BIND
19:11<Bruce>ii bind9-host 9.3.4-2etch1 Version of 'h ost' bundled with BIND 9.X
19:11<Bruce>ii libbind9-0 9.3.4-2etch1 BIND9 Shared Library used by BIND
19:11<dendrite>Bruce: apt-get remove bind9
19:11<abrotman>RastASD: try the madwifi first .. /msg dpkg madwifi install
19:11<dendrite>Bruce: Do you know what DNS is?
19:12<abrotman>also there is ath5k
19:12<RastASD>im using debian 4.0 the repository dosn't contain madwifi
19:12<Bruce>yes, for routing ips and domain names
19:12<Myeisha>lenny kernel 2.6.25-2 (amd64): why do i get such an awkward amount of debug messages (dirtied inode / read block / write block)? one line for each fs action (temporary fs included) is a bit... much...
19:12<abrotman>!madwifi install
19:12<dpkg>hmm... madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
19:12<RastASD>ndiswrapper is alredy installed
19:12<abrotman>RastASD: you need contrib and non-free
19:13<Bruce>Package bind9 is not installed, so not removed
19:13<EnriqueI>anyone remember the command to pump the output of a shell script to a virtual terminal, so you can run the shell script thru a ssh session and then end the session without killing the script_
19:13<Alejandrito>RastASD: you need thw windowS driver to get it working...
19:13<Alejandrito>with ndiswrapper
19:14<Bruce>whats the command to start gui on debian gnu 4.0?
19:14<abrotman>you don't even know which card it is ...
19:14<abrotman>shouldn't he try the free drivers first?
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19:14<dendrite>Bruce: If X is configured, try "startx" -- but many servers don't have a gui installed.
19:14<RastASD>^ it's the sources.list
19:15<Alejandrito>abrotman: you are right
19:15<abrotman>!tell RastASD about contrib
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19:15<abrotman>!tell RastASD about non-free
19:15<dendrite>Bruce: Don't run X as root, however.
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19:15<EnriqueI>anyone know the command to run a shell script over a ssh session so that you can disconnect without the shell script ending_
19:15<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
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19:16<abrotman>EnriqueI: nohup or screen
19:16<EnriqueI>nohup, thank you abrotman
19:16<Bruce>ok. i dont have any kde installed or gnome
19:16<Bruce>what do you recommend?
19:16<CuBe0wL>hi all. could anybody help me? I'm trying to run a program, but it gives me this error: GdkGLExt-WARNING **: cannot load PangoFont After a little browsing, I found some ubuntu related bugreports, but not for debian
19:16<Bruce>for desktop gui
19:16<EnriqueI>Bruce: server?
19:17<Bruce>yes its going to be for irc server
19:17<EnriqueI>xfce is lightweight
19:17<CuBe0wL>anybody knows how can I get that darn stuff to load libpango? I've tried to set export PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib, it hasn1T worked
19:17<dpkg>somebody said xwinman was probably - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL!
19:17<dendrite>Bruce: I recomment no gui on a server.
19:17<Bruce>but i dont know much of the commands for debian so trying to make it easier for me to get on the gui and do thing from there
19:17<Alejandrito>EnriqueI: screen is quite easy
19:17<dendrite>Bruce: GUI won't help admin the machine.
19:18<Myeisha>nobody? :(
19:18<Bruce>how can i setup the LAN or assing a static ip ?
19:18<EnriqueI>Bruce, if you like the gui tools, I'd install something like xauth, and tunnel X over ssh
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19:19<RastASD>one last question: i had installed firestarter firewall with synaptic, how can i set to start on every start up
19:19<EnriqueI>but I personally abhor guis on servers...
19:19<qq>Bruce: why you don't use google ?
19:19<CuBe0wL>Bruce, you can simply edit /etc/network/interfaces for how, look up man intefaces
19:19<fenix>td bem?
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19:19<EnriqueI>RastASD... install something sysv-rc-conf
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19:19<EnriqueI>or you can set up the init scripts yourself, but that is a pain
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19:20<EnriqueI>I reccomend sysv-rc-conf... it's very similar to chkconfig if you are used to red hat types of linux
19:20<admin>ola fenix eu tbm sou brasileiro
19:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:20<fenix>td bem?
19:20<admin>(/j #debian-br)
19:20<fenix>de onde vc tc?
19:21<abrotman>english here
19:21<admin>minas gerais
19:21<fenix>legal. eu sou mineiro
19:21<abrotman>english here
19:22<admin>me add no orkut
19:22<fenix>que endereço é esse?
19:22<abrotman>admin: /join #debian-br
19:22<Myeisha>apparently not :/
19:22<admin>é meu orkut
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19:22<abrotman>fenix/admin: last warning .. english here .. brasil in #debian-br
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19:23<fenix>que tipo de sala é esta?
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19:23-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@] by abrotman
19:23-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
19:23<admin>vc naum conheçe o maior site de relacionamento usado pelos brazileiros
19:23<abrotman>fenix: please try to keep it english. You'll be unbanned in 10 minutes
19:23<abrotman>!tell admin about br
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19:24<CuBe0wL>hi all. could anybody help me? I'm trying to run a program, but it gives me this error: GdkGLExt-WARNING **: cannot load PangoFont After a little browsing, I found some ubuntu related bugreports, but not for debian
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19:25<CuBe0wL>does anybody have and idea how can I get it to load libpango?
19:25<EnriqueI>pangofont sounds like it is in the python gtk2 libraries
19:25<EnriqueI>one of them
19:26<EnriqueI>try python-gtk32
19:26<EnriqueI>try python-gtk2
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19:27<Bruce>dendrite no more dns error
19:27<Bruce>i reboot it and error gone
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19:28<CuBe0wL>EnriqueI, thx, I'll try
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19:30<CuBe0wL>EnriqueI, can't be python-gtk2, but in case it is, it's broken. I already have it installed
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19:31<CuBe0wL>I've tried python-gtkglext1 too, it doesn't helped either
19:31<EnriqueI>libsdl-pango1 - text rendering with Pango in SDL applications (shared library) maybe???
19:31<CuBe0wL>and I've just done a dist-upgrade (sid), so I have all the latest packages
19:32<CuBe0wL>it's not an SDL app :/
19:32<EnriqueI>sorry, thats the most help I can give you... sorry its basic
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19:33<orvux>Bruce: me too, not gui in a server...
19:33<Alejandrito>CuBe0wL: you can apt-get source paskage
19:33<Alejandrito>and then look at debian/*
19:33<Alejandrito>you will find there all the packages you need to run a specific packages
19:34<CuBe0wL>it's a 3rd party app, that USED to work on my other pc
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19:34<CuBe0wL>this is a fresh install, I've installed the app too, and now it doesn't load this library
19:35-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
19:35<CuBe0wL>I've tried to add PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib and LD_LIBRARY_PATH too, but that doesn't helped either
19:35<CuBe0wL>iirc I already have it
19:36<CuBe0wL>yes, I have
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19:42<ahboy>hey guys i think i came up with a really small system i just have some question. First the example i changed my grub menu to load from a iso, i have the iso on my / partition, now once the iso os loads up will i be able to make changes to the iso and save it?
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19:43<dondelelcaro>ahboy: almost certainly not
19:43<dondelelcaro>(iso is a write-only filesystem, though there *are* append modes for it)
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19:46<ahboy>dondelelcaro how can i make it writeable?
19:47<Ganneff>dont have an iso
19:47<Ganneff>but a real filesystem
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19:47<ahboy>ganneff i have a asus 2g pc if i can figure out a way to make it writeable while keeping the system compressed i will be a hero to asus users
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19:49<ahboy>because right now i can boot the iso and i know that with pclinuxos you can make changes to the file while inside of the system
19:49<ahboy>aww okay i have another question
19:49<ahboy>can you make changes to a .squash system
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19:50<ahboy>i believe that answer would be yes. now how can i boot a squash system from a grub menu?
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19:52<azeem>ahboy: figure out whether grub can boot from squashfs
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19:53<yayo>Warning: Unknown: failed to open stream: Permission denied in Unknown on line 0
19:53<yayo>Fatal error: Unknown: Failed opening required '/var/www/apache2-default/index.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in Unknown on line 0
19:53<yayo>Hello could you help me with this?
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19:53<yayo>do I need to keep CHMODing it?
19:54<yayo>I did it this morning the second I added more folders and pages to the /var/www/ folder
19:54<yayo>I get this
19:54<ahboy>azeem okay man this is going to be sweet
19:54<yayo>is there a way so that I can CHMOD all files at once?
19:54<ahboy>chmod -R
19:54<ahboy>-R is recursivly
19:55<ahboy>becareful what your chmoding though
19:55<hikenboot>greetings! heres a question someone might be able to answer I am thinking it might have somthing to do with search paths in the bash script. Its peculiar but the bash script does not find uname date mkdir sed and ls but typing which date finds the program(s) any idea why this might be?
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19:56<yayo>ahboy : is there a way for me to CHMOD what I want for the time been then change them back?
19:56<yayo>also how do I use this -R?
19:56<dendrite>hikenboot: Are you sure it's the executable that's not being found?
19:56<ahboy>chmod -R the folder
19:57<ahboy>so in example you want to chmod all the files inside your home folder: chmod -R 777 /home/usr
19:57<hikenboot>it says line 139: date: command not found I look in the script and those lines show for example START_TIME=`date +%s`
19:57<yayo>ok got it
19:57<dendrite>hikenboot: And, does this script change the PATH environment variable, and does the PATH variable contain the locations with those exececutables...
19:57<ahboy>every file inside of usr will become 777
19:57<yayo>CHMOD 644 is what?
19:57<ahboy>yayo np
19:57<ahboy>ask azeem]
19:58<ahboy>i only 777 everything haha
19:58<azeem>ahboy: stop annoying random people, please
19:58<yayo>meh..I'll ask google first haha
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19:58<azeem>ahboy: and don't give out advise if you don't know what you're talking about
19:58<ahboy>azeem well i must know something right
19:58<yayo>oh lord >_>
19:59<hikenboot>dendrite, it has the following line export PATH="${HOSTTOOLS}:$PATH" <---this appends the path not replaces it right?
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19:59<ahboy>he asked how to change the files all at once i told him chmod -R which is recursively i didnt recommend he do it i dont know what 644 is so maybe you can help
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19:59<hikenboot>should say prepends
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19:59<malademental>please, i have to know, where can i add fonts?
19:59<ahboy>dont jump on my ass just for helping, I did alot more then you did
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20:00<ahboy>yayo let me look to see what 644 is
20:00<dendrite>hikenboot: That looks like it prepends new elements, yets. Go ahead and "echo ${PATH}" right before the line that's failing.
20:00<malademental>and does it depends of my WM
20:00<azeem>ahboy: giving bad advise like mentioning chmodding all of $HOME to 777 is worse than giving no advise at all
20:00<ahboy>0 = --- = no access
20:01<ahboy>0 = --- = no access1 = --x = execute2 = -w- = write3 = -wx = write and execute4 = r-- = read5 = r-x = read and execute6 = rw- = read and write7 = rwx = read write execute (full access)
20:02<ahboy>there now you know all the codes yayo and no i didnt say to chmod 777 his whole home i said thats what i do and then change stuff back
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20:02<hikenboot>dendrite, heres the path before and after
20:03<hikenboot>should I add /bin as a search path
20:03<ahboy>yayo did you get that? and azeem is right dont chmod 77 its full access i do it to some of my files i cant access but i jot down what the access was before i changed it and change it back
20:03<hikenboot>I dont want to mess with it too much cause its for creating a cross compile root
20:03<ahboy>But then again i dont know what im talking about
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20:04<yayo>thank you
20:04<yayo>yes I got it =)
20:05<hikenboot> <--this is the program
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20:06<dendrite>hikenboot: /bin is already there.
20:06<yayo>is it ok to put 7 on a folder?
20:06<yayo>I am looking at this
20:06<dendrite>hikenboot: So, if you run the "not found" program from a shell prompt, it runs?
20:07<yayo>it says "
20:07<yayo>Files that you create in the public_html dir must have at least permissions
20:07<yayo>644 (directories must be 755) or the WWW server will not be able to read
20:07<yayo>them and they will not be "on the World Wide Web".
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20:08<ahboy>not too many lines at once, 7 will grant access to everyone one second
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20:08<yayo>see how on that link it says folders must be 755
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20:08<yayo>why is that?
20:08<ahboy>okay yayo
20:09<dendrite>yayo: Do you understand whoat those numbers mean?
20:09<azeem>yayo: because to change into a folder, you need to have execute permissions on it
20:09<yayo>yes I do well that link says it pretty much
20:09<yayo>ahh that makes sense
20:09<yayo>thank you
20:09<ahboy>the first digit is for owner access the second is for group the last is others
20:10<yayo>oh I see
20:10<ahboy>yayo in example you have a file you made the access for it is yayo
20:10<ahboy>so if you change the first number to 0 u wont have access to it at all
20:10<ahboy>7 allows anyone to use it
20:11<yayo>I see
20:11<azeem>7 allows *you* to do everything with it
20:11<azeem>if talking about the first number
20:11<ahboy>so if you have multiple people accessing your computer via local or net if the file is changed to 7 everyone including me is allowed access to it
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20:12<ahboy>did you get the sequence of numbers above
20:13<ahboy>the w means write the r means read and the e means execute
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20:13<ahboy> 0 = --- = no access1 = --x = execute2 = -w- = write3 = -wx = write and execute4 = r-- = read5 = r-x = read and execute6 = rw- = read and write7
20:13<azeem>ahboy: please keep on tutoring yaya on basic unix knowledge in private
20:13<ahboy>well x means xecute
20:13<azeem>this is off-topic here
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20:13<ahboy>okay azeem
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20:18<Bruce>Couldn't bind to primary port 6667
20:18<Bruce>Please make sure no other application is using port 6667 on this IP
20:18<Bruce>how do i bind a port to an application on debian?
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20:18<petemc>you generally dont need to worry about
20:18<petemc>lsof -i :6667
20:19<Bruce>i get nothing with lsof -i :6667
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20:19<dendrite>Bruce: Did you completely read and fix up your ircd config file?
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20:20<Bruce>yes, i checked on the M and P lines, and have done it 20 times and still no luck
20:20<Bruce>and have done the thing and redone the thing 3 times from scratch
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20:21<Bruce>i dont understand why, i had unreal3.2 running fine, and change to Ultimateircd and get this error
20:21<dendrite>Bruce: And the IP address specified to listen on is in fact one that corresponds to an interface on the machine?
20:21<Bruce>have tried different versions and still same thing
20:21<hikenboot>dendrite, that is correct running it from the command line shows its there
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20:22<dendrite>hikenboot: Well, something in the script environment is hiding the programs...
20:22<alekgrigorian>hello there
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20:23<hikenboot>right but you dont think its the path right
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20:25<hikenboot>dendrite, what do you think this means # For bash: check the $PATH for new executables added after startup. set +h
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20:25<hikenboot>set +h is on its own line
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20:25<dendrite>hikenboot: Well, I saw /bin in the path... I guess my instinct is to put "strace -eopen <command>" in there, and see what it prints out.
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20:27<dendrite>Not sure off hand what set +h is...
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20:33<dendrite>hikenboot: Looks like 'set +h" tells the shell to not remember where it finds commands it looks up for execution.
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20:34<dendrite>hikenboot: So, that means if your path is /a /b, and the shell runs /b/foo, then /a/foo is added, the next time foo is called, it'll run /a/foo
20:34<dendrite>That is, if the first call to "foo" finds it at /b/foo ...
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20:35<hikenboot>do you think i should just comment that out set +h I mean
20:35<Kjetil>Why does gnome depend on totem ?
20:35<dendrite>hikenboot: I would not expect that to be the issue.
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20:41<hikenboot>dendrite, just as an experiment I am deleting the setup directory and rerunning it (now that all the components that it is looking for are installed...perhaps it wont fail)
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20:43<drginny>it took me like 5 secs to configure a network printer in debian and like an hour on my sisters windows laptop
20:44<drginny>mainly because windows makes you choose between local or network and i kept choosing network for the network . . . then after an hour i noticed that you had to choose local go fig
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20:46<drginny>cups is much easier
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21:00<kcynice>i want to install a eva on my debian, but it got such an error about qt: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found
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21:01<klh>kcynice, intall them
21:01<kcynice>so, i stalled qt4-dev, etc, such packages about that, but when i configured again, t
21:01<kcynice>the errors were the same
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21:03<klh>did you try apt-get -f install ?
21:04<kcynice>there were libqt3-mt,libqt4-core, libqt4-dev , libqt4-gui ,libqt4-qt3support, qt4-dev-tools installed
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21:04<kcynice>have not
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21:05<Penol>I have a computer without a cdrom, but i have a usbstick ( 8gb ) is it possible to instal debian netinstall from the usbstick. Im running windows on the computer now!
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21:06<Nemoder>kcynice: if you are compiling a qt4 app but still have qt3 installed you may need to run update-alternatives --config qmake
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21:07<Nemoder>if it's a qt3 only app then you might need the old qt3-dev as well
21:07<kcynice>i am not sure, i want to install a software, when i type ./configure, it shows such an error
21:07<kcynice>you meant, i should install qt3-dev?
21:08<Nemoder>if the program is designed for qt3 then yes
21:08<kcynice>the program was developed 2006
21:08<Nemoder>it won't hurt to have both installed
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21:09<Nemoder>you can switch between them with the above update-alternatives command
21:09<kcynice>i am installing qt3-dev-tools
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21:10<Koston>try then?
21:10<Nemoder>I need to restart, bbl
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21:10<Penol>I have a computer without a cdrom, but i have a usbstick ( 8gb ) is it possible to instal debian netinstall from the usbstick. Im running windows on the computer now!
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21:10<Koston>oops, answering to my backlog :P\
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21:13<Aleric>Can I loop mount a cue/bin pair of files?
21:14<petemc>not without maing them an iso first]
21:14<vsmatck>apt-get install bchunk :)
21:14<petemc>media players often support playing .bin
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21:15<petemc>tho, if thats the same thing as a .bin that goes with a .cue file, no idea
21:16<kcynice>ok, after i installed libqt3-mt-dev, it can pass the qt-checking, not
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21:22<kcynice>then, the configure told me i have no KDE headers installed, what packages i should install next?
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21:22<kcynice>GNOME for my X
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21:24<kcynice>i am installing kde, i am not sure i am right or not
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21:47<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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21:54<dondelelcaro>ataic: yes, you've failed.
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21:58<RIVE>Deja abro otra conexión pos ssh con el servidor, no sea la de malas y ya no pueda conectar.
21:59<RIVE>Ups, ya no quiso.
21:59<RIVE>Haber, igual le conecto un monitor al servidor por si algo falla.
22:00<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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22:00<RIVE>Sorry, wrong window.
22:00<abrotman>that was portuguese wasnt it?
22:01<abrotman>oh no
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22:20<abrotman>ataic: YES
22:20<abrotman>ataic: test your bot elsewhere
22:22*jegc is away: no estoy
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22:23<abrotman>!tell jegc about away
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22:33<neowolf>anyone got any recomendations for starting the x server on a nvidia 8600 gt?
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22:34<Supaplex>02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT [10de:0402] (rev a1)
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22:35<neowolf>just use apt or what?
22:35<Supaplex>neowolf: I backported module-assistant and had m-a use the source to roll a .deb iirc
22:35<Supaplex>ii nvidia-kernel-source 169.09-1 NVIDIA binary kernel module source
22:35<Supaplex>my ride is here, and I'm off to eat. good luck.
22:36<Supaplex>ps, check my bug reports on
22:36<hikenboot>hello I am trying to determine from the kernel source what the ARCH would be in the following ${ARCH-unknown-linux} for a cross compile based on the kernel source for the 2.6.24 kernel but I do not see x86_64 which is what I thought it would be I see know listing for x86_64 under arch..anyone able to help
22:37<kcynice>hi, how can convert a video format such as .rmvb, .wav to .mpf4 format so that i can view it on my ipod?
22:38<hikenboot>I do see ia64 which I am almost positive is incorrect..but let me know if i am wrong
22:38<aloha-shin>I need someone who can help me in debian lenny i386
22:39<hikenboot>whats the question aloha-shin
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22:39<aloha-shin>the problem is that my host don't know about linux
22:39<aloha-shin>they don't support linux except windows.
22:39<abrotman>and this a #debian problem?
22:40<aloha-shin>but he has a frnd who can install linux
22:40<aloha-shin>i found this IRC
22:40<hikenboot>aloha-shin, whats the question?
22:40<aloha-shin>from the debian site
22:40<hikenboot>did you try installing debian?
22:41<aloha-shin>for the first time I know a basic commands but not all
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22:41<aloha-shin>the problem is that my host don't support linux and I don't know how to install some software
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22:41<aloha-shin>like mysql server 5
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22:42<aloha-shin>my just install debian 4 lenny
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22:43<hikenboot>what is the maker of this system?
22:43<aloha-shin>I want to know if someone here in the debian room can help me
22:43<hikenboot>ask the question
22:43<aloha-shin>ok here
22:44<aloha-shin>how do I install the mysql servre 5 that is compatible to debian lenny
22:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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22:45<hikenboot>apt-cache search mysql
22:45<hikenboot>apt-get install "insert mysql5 package name here if it exisits"
22:45<hikenboot>try googling how to install mysql 5 on debian
22:46<aloha-shin>another question
22:46<aloha-shin>do i need to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list ?
22:46<aloha-shin>and put the links there?
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22:47<abrotman>etch has mysql5
22:47<aloha-shin>but my debian is running on lenny
22:47<aloha-shin>is it possibe to downgrade lenny to etch ?
22:47<abrotman>same thing
22:48<hikenboot>apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
22:48<aloha-shin>what is the best to use aptitude or apt-get ?
22:49<hikenboot>abrotman, aptitude, really why I'm curious?
22:49<aloha-shin>I have read that aptitude can do the instalation compatible to lenny is that true?
22:49<abrotman>!why aptitude
22:49<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info
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22:49<aloha-shin>why apt-get why aptitude which one is better?
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22:50<aloha-shin>ok thank you dpkg, hiken and abrot
22:51<ghstslayers>can somebody help me out with knoppix
22:51<RIVE>I coudn't upgrade openssl with aptitude, have to use synaptic
22:51<aloha-shin>hey i saw it after typing apt-cache search mysql
22:51<abrotman>ask #knoppix
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22:51<ghstslayers>i am trying to install adobe flash player but i get this error /bin/sh is needed by adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch
22:51<abrotman>ask #knoppix
22:51<hikenboot>abrotman, can you answer my question its a kernel question not to do with LFS or debian so not sure where to ask
22:52<hikenboot>hello I am trying to determine from the kernel source what the ARCH would be in the following ${ARCH-unknown-linux} for a cross compile based on the kernel source for the 2.6.24 kernel but I do not see x86_64 which is what I thought it would be I see no listing for x86_64 under arch..anyone able to help
22:52<hikenboot>^ repeat
22:52<abrotman>it's the source
22:53<abrotman>i think you want the config
22:54<aloha-shin>according to the debian site this is the compatible mysql to lenny > Package: mysql-server-5.0 (5.0.51a-5). correct?
22:54<abrotman>sounds good
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22:55<aloha-shin>there are many ppls here but only 5 persons are chatting that i saw
22:55<hikenboot>abrotman, is that avialable on as well or is part of the source I thought the config is generated thru make menuconfig ? would this information be in the menuconfig somewhere...I read somthing indicating this info is burried in the source somewhere
22:56<hikenboot>my first thouht was under arch directory
22:56<abrotman>then i don't understand your question
22:57<abrotman>hikenboot: there is a #kernelnewbies
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22:58<hikenboot>oh great never heard about that group...thanks I will check with them
22:58<aloha-shin>hiken. how can i install phpmyadmin compatble to lenny?
22:59<aloha-shin>i try to apt-cache search phpmyadmin but nothing appears
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23:02<hikenboot>as abrotman said why not search on aptitude?
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23:03<aloha-shin>search aptitude where?
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23:07<aloha-shin>hello all
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23:09<aloha-shin>do u know a tutorial sites for debian lenny for SQLs/phpmyadmin/php etc...
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23:11<TiEuAM>aloha-shin: have you look in this if there are something for lenny
23:11<aloha-shin>not yet
23:12<aloha-shin>I will check it now.
23:12<TiEuAM>why specialy lenny, what do you want to do
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23:14<aloha-shin>hi TiEuam, most of the guides to that site are etch
23:15<aloha-shin>is the guide for etch will work on lenny?
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23:15<TiEuAM>i think yes, maybe little difference
23:16<aloha-shin>is there guide that can downgrade the lenny to etch ?
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23:19<aloha-shin>tieuam if u have ym/msn we can chat
23:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:20<aloha-shin>is there a support for Pilipino ?
23:20<aloha-shin>hi dpkg
23:21<TiEuAM>arf i am little busy... and not an expert in debian, i know just waht you search lol, server web apache, php, mysql,...
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23:23<aloha-shin>@tieuam what is re?
23:23<ravenbird>okay, aloha-shin
23:23<aloha-shin>hi raven
23:23<abrotman>ravenbird: forget tieuam what
23:23<ravenbird>i forgot tieuam what, abrotman
23:23<abrotman>don't use @ to talk to people
23:24<abrotman>because you trigger the bot
23:24<aloha-shin>ok sorry. no idea about that.
23:24<aloha-shin>this is my first time in IRC
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23:24<aloha-shin>i see. re means return
23:24<aloha-shin>thats very short abreviation
23:25<aloha-shin>tieaum your new to debian ?
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23:26<shilow>and i get told not to use enter as punctuation..
23:26<aloha-shin>im also new to debian
23:26<aloha-shin>what he is talking about?
23:26<RastASD>hi, im using a laptop with intel gma 950 graphics driver, how can i check are there available driver for it under debian 4.0?
23:26<TiEuAM>lol it was 2week i m in front og the terminal without sleep
23:27<aloha-shin>you don't sleep tieuam?
23:27<aloha-shin>if you know a guide link me tieuam
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23:28<TiEuAM>no it's little joke, lol really i have sleep but not very lol
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23:29<aloha-shin>I'm scared to install the mysql5 because if thre something not good happening to the installation my host will not help me.
23:29<aloha-shin>they said they can't support linux. except windows
23:29<TiEuAM>aloha-shin: what would tou do whith your debian ? install web server ?
23:30<aloha-shin>I want to run my private ragnarok online server
23:30<aloha-shin>do u know ragnarok online?
23:31<aloha-shin>ragnarok online is a game
23:31<aloha-shin>private server ragnarok online.
23:31<aloha-shin>online games
23:31<kop>RastASD : You can go looking at to see if someone else had success. YMMV. There's probably a better way....
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23:32<RastASD>kop: shall i look under feedback?
23:32<aloha-shin>tieuam how did you do that. my name is infirst part of your msgs
23:32<kop>RastASD : I don't know, I don't really follow that path. Maybe google your laptop and the word debian.
23:32<chealer>RastASD: vesa will support it. i810 might
23:32<kop>RastASD : I'm thinking try running the debian live cd and see if it works.
23:33<TiEuAM>aloha-shin: i writte ur name lol
23:33<aloha-shin>does 2.5gigs swap is good?
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23:33<RastASD>kop: i had red some post before about my graph driver and everyone said it runs out of box, anyway, i want to see are there any updates for it?
23:33<aloha-shin>hi steve
23:33<steve_>so wuts everyone talkin about
23:34<kop>chealer : Does vesa support everything? I had a Dell Latitude XT tablet that I couldn't get to run X. I didn't try hard, but the log said vesa wasn't working and that seemed odd. I didn't need X so just quit wasting time.
23:34<aloha-shin>its debian
23:34<aloha-shin>im asking about guides for lenny
23:34<aloha-shin>bcause im planning to transfer my private ragnarok online to a new host.
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23:35<aloha-shin>tieuam are u still here?
23:35<kop>RastASD : Once you're running the debian live cd you can do "aptitude update", "aptitude upgrade" just like any debian box and update the running copy to the latest stuff. It won't get saved for the next time you reboot off cd of course. (Maybe there's a way to make that happen I don't know about.)
23:35<chealer>kop: no
23:36<kop>chealer : I think I could have got it running with a driver from sid. At this point I don't care. Thanks.
23:36<RastASD>kop: im using debian at the moment
23:36<RastASD>kop: everytime
23:36<kop>RastASD : On the laptop?
23:36<RastASD>kop: yes
23:36<aloha-shin>ok will BRB its lunch here in philippines. thanks to all debian fun who help me here
23:36<aloha-shin>thanks bye see ya all
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23:37<TiEuAM>aloha-shin: i don't think u can find an tutorial for the lenny version (to install ragnarok), but the install are maybe the same on etch or lenny
23:38<kop>RastASD : Ok, then I don't understand your question. You can just update your system to get the latest stuff. Or run etchnhalf to get somewhat newer stuff but still stable, or follow the instructions at to get even newer stuff, or...
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23:39<RastASD>kop: the question is how can i check for a newer version of driver
23:39<RastASD>kop: thx for your question anyway
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23:40<kop>RastASD : Why wouldn't you just want to run the newer version without checking. If there's something newer for stable it's usually a no-brainer to want to run it.
23:40<RastASD>kop: ok, ty
23:40<RastASD>cya bb
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