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---Logopened Sun May 18 00:00:17 2008
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00:09<normalnick-kgb>When it will be possible to do "apt-get update" last SSL/SSH bug ? :/
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00:09<normalnick-kgb>im using stable
00:10<vsmatck>useful software is complicated, I wonder if what you ask is even possible.
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00:11<normalnick-kgb>but the patches (and deb's) are avalible. They are just not included into stable repository yet. why ?
00:11<normalnick-kgb>its technical issue ? or somthing else?
00:11<diego>hi all, I need help with a tv tuner
00:12<diego>I cannot detect it
00:12<normalnick-kgb>diego: what model ?
00:12<diego>its a hp express card hybrid ntsc / atsc
00:12<diego>comes with my dv9548us laptop
00:12<diego>it connects to a expresscard / 54 slot
00:13<diego>I cannot see it with lspci or lsusb ... :(
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00:13<normalnick-kgb>is your expresscard "working" under debian ?
00:13<diego>no, it works on windows
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00:13<normalnick-kgb>so first we need to get running that expresscard slot
00:13<diego>I dont know if express cards works on debian
00:13<diego>because I only have a tv tuner lol
00:13<diego>its only for that I want it
00:14<normalnick-kgb>diego: expresscard = pcmcia slot ?
00:14<normalnick-kgb>afik expresscard are supported under Linux pretty well
00:14<normalnick-kgb>so let me see
00:14<diego>normalnick-kgb: I guess, Im not really sure about that, i never had a express card ... so
00:14<diego>how do I check it its pcmcia ?
00:15<diego>normalnick-kgb: oh, and first of all, thx for helping! :D
00:15<normalnick-kgb>diego: it is pcmcia :)
00:15<normalnick-kgb>diego: It is that model of tv tuner ?
00:16<diego>no, its an HP
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00:18<normalnick-kgb>diego: could u provide me with some kind of numer (of model) of that tuner ?
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00:19<diego>:) do you think its supported
00:20<normalnick-kgb>im checking...
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00:22<normalnick-kgb>its not supported yet
00:23<diego>ohh :( , where do you check by the way ?
00:23<normalnick-kgb>google :)
00:23<normalnick-kgb>but wait
00:23<normalnick-kgb>let me check more
00:24<normalnick-kgb>no. sorry its not supported :)
00:24<diego>normal: lol, I used to work for google maps :P
00:24<diego>I was an intern
00:24<diego>google is nice ;)
00:24<normalnick-kgb>yeah. its pretty good tool ;)
00:24<diego>Im using debian testing, is it supported on testing ?
00:25<diego>what if I move to unstable
00:25<diego>I wanna watch tv lol
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00:25<normalnick-kgb>nope. its not about Debian but LINUX drivers
00:25<normalnick-kgb>there is not (yet) Linux drivers for that tuner
00:25<diego>oh, I see, and just to know (for when the drivers come)
00:26<diego>what programs do you recommend for watching tv under linux
00:26<diego>and what about decoding paid channels ;) ?
00:26<normalnick-kgb>i dont know. i dont have tuner in computer
00:26<diego>oh, ok :), thanks for the help anyway ... I will be waiting for the driver :(
00:26<Nemoder>I use a hauppage 250 card for regular channels
00:26<diego>hauppage 250 ?
00:27<diego>oh, I dont want to buy another tuner hehe
00:27<normalnick-kgb>so just use Windows while watching tv haha :]
00:27<diego>I have a tv anyway , I just want to make it work :)
00:28<diego>ohhh, but thats not possible
00:28<diego>because HP came with Vista
00:28<diego>did you ever try vista ? :P
00:28<normalnick-kgb>Vista rockz ! ;) haha
00:28*vsmatck vomits in the back of his throat.
00:28<Nemoder>you should email HP and ask if there are linux drivers for that tuner
00:28<normalnick-kgb>yeah. its even worse than Windows millenium. (I like Windows system, but Vista just suckz)
00:29<normalnick-kgb>Nemoder: there are no drivers yet.
00:29<normalnick-kgb> [about that drivers]
00:29<Nemoder>yes, but if enough people ask about them....
00:29<normalnick-kgb>i see
00:29<normalnick-kgb>good point mate
00:30<diego>well, actually I dont agree, vista is still better than windows me
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00:31<diego>I used windows me a while ago lol
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00:31<diego>the best one is xp for sure
00:31<pabs>is there any way to get ssh -L to exit if the local port is already bound by another process?
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00:31<normalnick-kgb>2000 was very nice. and 2003 too. but yeah xp was a good compromise between NT series and desktop windoze
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00:32<normalnick-kgb>pabs: from server or client?
00:32<diego>I didnt try 2003
00:33<diego>:( well, no expresscard driver :(
00:33<pabs>normalnick-kgb: say from client localhost:20025 to remote localhost:25 (poor-man's SMTP Auth)
00:33<normalnick-kgb>"to remote localhost" LOL :D funny
00:33<normalnick-kgb>but ok
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00:34<normalnick-kgb>cant u run netstat on SMTP machine to check the status of the port ?
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00:36<pabs>hum, I guess so, or telnet. just hoped ssh would have a way to do it
00:36<normalnick-kgb>So log into server; list open tcp sockets list; if port is bounded by another process than dont run ssh. (or kill process on remote machine).
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00:36<normalnick-kgb>u can automate this of course
00:37<normalnick-kgb>simplest way ;)
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00:38<pabs>no, I mean on the client side, not the remote side, that is always up
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00:40<normalnick-kgb>1. check if YOUR port (that u will want to connect) is open (by nmap in example), if yes then run shh if no, then change the port or wait for free port.
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00:41<normalnick-kgb>but im pretty drunk so dont belive me too much ;) it should work but im not sure
00:42<pabs>:) netstat -tnl + grep works fine
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00:44<normalnick-kgb>Anyone know what is socket size on Linux (x86) ? im googling that since 1h
00:44<normalnick-kgb>i mean size in memory
00:44<normalnick-kgb>per one open socket (tcp)
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00:55<Requiem>if my hard drive is plugged into SATA port 2, should it be listed as sda or sdc?
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01:17<Nemoder>Requiem: I believe it depends on how many drives you have plugged in, not just which port. But I could be wrong
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01:25<Supaplex>Requiem: sata/scsi devices/drives are listed in the order they're detected.
01:25<freeagy>igo 8 valaki?
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01:28<Mirybr>I'm making my first kernel
01:28<Mirybr>I removed support for everything but tcp/ip,dhcp,ipv6,ext3
01:28<Mirybr>the first step in a long journey
01:28<Mirybr>to produce the first truely opensource dncs
01:28<freeagy>do you have sound?
01:28<Mirybr>stripped everything
01:29<Mirybr>I want to make this as lightweight as possible
01:29<freeagy>minimal is maximalism
01:29<Mirybr>i want a truly minimalistic core
01:29<Mirybr>with support for like intel devices
01:29<Mirybr>ok my ultimate goal
01:30<Mirybr>is to develop a new cable platform
01:30<Supaplex>Mirybr: there's freedos for that. ;)
01:30<Mirybr>opensource linux based dncs/cmts/dhcp etc
01:30<Mirybr>freedos couldnt handle dncs
01:30<Supaplex>what's dncs?
01:30<Mirybr>its what cable msos use
01:30<Mirybr>to stream tv to you
01:30<freeagy>so you dont have compizfusion? :D
01:31<Mirybr>whats so special about it
01:31<freeagy>os[Linux 2.6.24-16-generic i686] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.63GHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 77.8% free] disk[Total: 188.0GB, 15.3% free] video[nVidia Corporation G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel]
01:31<Mirybr>i still dont get it
01:31<Mirybr>whats so special
01:32<Mirybr>i just want to develop an off the shelf cable headend
01:33<Mirybr>for sub $500
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01:34<diego>hi there, I have my wireless working with network-manager-gnome
01:34<diego>but I would like to specify a static ip
01:34<diego>and this tool does not let me change it and I cant get wpa_supplicant working alone for some reason
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01:38<Mirybr>wait to wait for an answer
01:38<Mirybr>way to wait*
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01:55<ice9>hello all
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02:03<NinjaMan>freeagy: what command did you use to output your system specs to the channel?
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02:09<freeagy>Ninjaman this is a plugin for xchat client
02:09<freeagy>name xsys
02:09<NinjaMan>freeagy: oic thx
02:10<freeagy>what is oic? my english is poor
02:10<NinjaMan>freeagy: it means ooh I see
02:10<freeagy> :)
02:10<freeagy> ok
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02:12<Mirybr>how do i install my kernel.deb
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02:14<GoogleSucks>I am Back
02:14<GoogleSucks>Because I hate it!
02:15<Mirybr>go to your corner sir
02:15<Mirybr>good daye
02:15<GoogleSucks>Good Daye
02:15<GoogleSucks>Anyway I came to report Debain Works on iMac!
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02:16<GoogleSucks>Michael Brown?
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02:19<Mirybr>i seemed to have scared him off
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02:22<bouhssini>السلام عليكم
02:23<Mirybr>i agree
02:23<Mirybr>i didnt know i had that font installed
02:23<Mirybr>quick someone paste it and convert it to webdings stat! it may be a secret prophecy
02:23<bouhssini>arabic ?
02:24<Mirybr>i thought i removed all fonts in this install of windows
02:24<Mirybr>well non english fonts
02:24<bouhssini>u speak arabic ?
02:25<bouhssini>plz help >> C
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02:28<bouhssini>VB code <==> A = "Hello" & " Men" C++ Code <==> ?????
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02:35<Gekz>bouhssini: ##c @
02:35<valdyn>C != C++
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02:35<Gekz>that may be so.
02:35<Mirybr>#include "./stdio.h"; #include "./string.h"; something to make a class { string A = "HelloMen"; }
02:36<Mirybr>something or other
02:36<Mirybr>go google c++ hello world
02:36<bouhssini>a = "Men";
02:36<bouhssini>b = a + "Hello"
02:36<Mirybr>you said & "Men"
02:37<Gekz>Mirybr: no he didnt
02:37<Gekz>theres a space
02:37<Gekz>I dont like C++
02:37<Gekz>I must prefer D.
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02:37<Mirybr>ok so
02:37<Mirybr>#include "./stdio.h"; #include "./string.h"; something to make a class { string A = "Hello Men"; }
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02:39<bouhssini>Vb ===> string & string
02:39<bouhssini>C/C++ ===> ??????
02:40<bouhssini>php ====> String . String
02:40<valdyn>bouhssini: this is not a programming channel
02:40<Gekz>bouhssini: #c++ on
02:40<bouhssini>C /C++ ===> ??????
02:40<Borman>oh... maybe google kernighan ritchie?
02:40<Gekz>Or we op spank you
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02:42<bouhssini>Vb == (A = "Hello Ali And " & "Ahmade")
02:42<bouhssini>C == ???
02:43<bouhssini>A = "Hello Ali And " + "Ahmade"
02:44<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina
02:44<Mirybr>A is a language?
02:44<dpkg>hmm... arabic is Linux supports the Arabic language. See
02:44<Mirybr>binutils ftoldskupwn
02:44<bouhssini>thank you
02:45<valdyn>!listkeys arabic
02:45<dpkg>Factoid search of 'arabic' by key (3): arabic ;; #debian arabic ;; _default arabic.
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02:57<sas67>having problems with pureftp
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03:02<NinjaMan>morning sas67
03:02<NinjaMan>what's up with pureftp
03:04<NinjaMan>sas67: is there a .deb for pureftp?
03:04<sas67>sory ninja
03:04<sas67>was on asite
03:05<sas67>im struggling to add an account to preftp and to get it to work
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03:12<sas67>it says user exists in ftp but cant use the account
03:13<sas67>it wont connect to ftp
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03:25<R2r>need help urgent balde server is reporting error "http 400"
03:25<R2r>need help urgent balde server is reporting error "http 400"
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03:26<R2r>need help urgent balde server is reporting error "http 400"
03:26<R2r>need help urgent balde server is reporting error "http 400"
03:26<simonrvn>that just means invalid request
03:27<simonrvn>!tell R2r -about repeat
03:27<R2r>yeah tell me
03:27<R2r>what does invalid request mean
03:27<rrm>guys what is a good wm? flux is ok, but need something fast and simple...
03:27<R2r>the net works fine
03:28<simonrvn>oops, actually it means request not understood; it just means that the serve didn't understand what the client was asking for. you'll see that a lot on screwy clients like IE and various spam / email harvesting bots.
03:29<R2r>ok so what do i do
03:30<R2r>sould i stop the "server_respond$requst-"400""
03:30<R2r>this way my server will not diagonose or log http 400 request
03:31<simonrvn>wtf are you doing?
03:31<suiside>rrm: mostly a matter of taste, imho, fluxox is pretty much as fast as simple as it gets =) you could try blackbox or icewm. If you want ssomething different try a tabbed window manager like ratpoison or ion3
03:31<rrm>what do you mean byt tabbed
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03:31<NinjaMan>R2r: it means the webpage can't be found
03:31<suiside>rrm: try one of them and see
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03:32<simonrvn>that's 404 not 400
03:32<NinjaMan>simonrvn: oops my bad
03:32<rrm>where could i get ion3
03:33<suiside>rrm: from apt of course
03:33<NinjaMan>sas67: does pureftpd require the user to exist on your system?
03:33<simonrvn>from the repos
03:33<R2r>rrm, wiat ill arrange it and give woy the link
03:33<rrm>apt does not have it
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03:33<sas67>think so ninjaman
03:33<R2r>rrm: wiat ill arrange it and give woy the link
03:34<sas67>accoun created and psswrod entered twice
03:34<R2r>its rrm
03:34<R2r> rrm
03:34<sas67>but when connecting it says pass(hidden)connection lost
03:34<R2r>rrm: goto rrm, wiat ill arrange it and give woy the link
03:35<rrm>i am on the site
03:35<sas67>tried with flashfxp nd fireftp
03:35<rrm>but i do not know how to install those files
03:35<R2r>ok you found it
03:35<R2r>ok ill help you just wait
03:36<R2r>rrm: darcs get --partial type it in the termianl
03:36<R2r>rrm: darcs get --partial type it in the termianl
03:36<rrm>i am getting it with dillo
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03:37<suiside>R2r: stop repeating yourself please
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03:37<R2r>its my stupid irc client
03:37<R2r>its my stupid irc client
03:37<suiside>fix it
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03:37<R2r>irc\ get-update ISSI
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03:38<R2r>ok its ok now sorry for that
03:38<rrm>is ok
03:38<R2r>its good
03:38<R2r>rrm: whats up now
03:38<rrm>hold on
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03:40<R2r>comming to my problem should i block requests wihich end uo in "ERROR 400"
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03:48<linux_guy>rrm ?
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03:49<r2r>hello anyone there
03:50<EmleyMoor>No, we've all gone <g>
03:50<simonrvn>nope. we're all zombies
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03:50<simonrvn>we're all of weasel's irc bots. he speaks through us.
03:50<r2r>simonrvn you know my prob tell me should i block requests that end up in error 400
03:51<simonrvn>if they're not dosing the box, who cares.
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03:51<r2r>my server gets slow and lag goes upto 300+
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03:52<simonrvn>load average? well then block those of course.
03:52<r2r>ok iam blocking
03:52<r2r>nope everyone got disconnected
03:53<r2r>ohh, its a bloody dam bot i'll just kill him
03:53<r2r>i hate these windows viruses now they even run on SMB
03:54<r2r>what you dead or somethin
03:55*simonrvn mumbles something about "BRRAAAAINS!"
03:56<simonrvn>ask before you /msg people
03:57<r2r>iam soory
03:57<r2r>can i msg you?
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03:58<r2r>bye bye
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04:36<EmleyMoor>My overnight backups worked this time - first time since the ssh upgrade - so that's another one conclusively sorted
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04:41<EmleyMoor>(across all three kinds of OS in use here)
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04:42<EmleyMoor>I will be decommissioning my only FreeBSD box in favour of a Debian replacement just as soon as I can get some more memory for it - what's in seems a bit dodgy
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04:43<jaakko>EmleyMoor: do you think debian needs more memory??
04:44<EmleyMoor>jaakko: No - it just needs memory that works properly
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04:56<jaakko>I need to partition and format compact flash cards. How can I do that as normal user? Is it possible?
04:57<jaakko>It would be nice if I couldn't accidentally destroy my system :)
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05:09<ariel>hello all
05:09<ariel>does anyone know about website transfers?
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05:11<jaakko>ariel: what are they?
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05:13<jaakko>ariel: scp -r me@server1:/dir/* me@server2:/dir/ ? :D
05:14<ariel>what i mean is I have to move a website from one host to another
05:15<ariel>but i want to keet the existing host for my emails
05:15<jaakko>ariel: generally you just copy the files to the new server
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05:16<noorul>is that not working?
05:16<noorul>it should work i believe
05:16<ariel>yes i have a new site and it works on the new server
05:16<ariel>but i want my domain to resolve to the new site
05:16<ariel>so far
05:17<ariel>i have changed the "A" record (which turned out to =be a stupid move
05:17<noorul>then you need to contact your domain administrator
05:17<weasel>it's what you do.
05:17<ariel>now all emails are lost
05:17<weasel>fix your MX record?
05:17<EmleyMoor>ariel: You need an MX record pointing to the mail server
05:17<ariel>i left that unchanged
05:17<noorul>or if you managed domain then you can point the entries
05:17<ariel>but it seems when u change a records mx is affected as the 2 are tied together
05:18<noorul>how come e-mails are lost by just changing DNS records
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05:18<ariel>Emlymoor thank
05:18<jaakko>ariel: how do you read your email, what program?
05:19<ariel>does that mean i go to the control panel of the new site and point it back to the old site's ip?
05:19<jaakko>ariel: is it connecting to the "old" server?
05:19<noorul>ariel: where is it stored?
05:19<ariel>jakko outlook
05:19<noorul>ariel: you need to change your MX records
05:19<noorul>ariel: if you want to use the old mailbox
05:19<ariel>the new guys dont offer mail support
05:19<noorul>ariel: with the new domain
05:20<jaakko>ariel: so make sure outlook is connecting to the old server, what ever its name/IP is
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05:20<jaakko>ariel: if you changed the name point to new address, outlook may connect to wrong address too. the emails are still in the old place.
05:20<ariel>when i do and mx lookup online i am told there is no record
05:21<ariel>which is consistent because the new hosts dont do emails just website
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05:22<limi_styler>wer bist du
05:22<ariel>ich bin englander
05:22<limi_styler>aha gut
05:22<weasel>limi_styler: english.
05:22<limi_styler>was amcst du
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05:23<noorul>ariel: okay. now tell me whos is your domain provider
05:23<ariel>what i am scared of is that the emails are all lost as no mx records
05:23<noorul>ariel: and which are the two hosting providers
05:23<@weasel>this is not a social channel. it's a technical channel. and the language of choice here is english.
05:23<jaakko>ariel: the mails don't get lost because of name. You just have to found the address.
05:24<ariel>verio = old artlogic = new website
05:24<noorul>ariel: you are confusing a lot
05:25<ariel>not sure who they use but they gave me an ip for the new site
05:25<noorul>ariel: webspace and domain are two different things
05:25<ariel>so i change "a" record to new ip
05:25<ariel>now emails has gone bonkers
05:25<noorul>ariel: so your MX records are still pointing to the old mail server right?
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05:26<noorul>what is your domain?
05:26<panagos>is there a way to have both qt 4.3 and 4.4 installed in parallel?
05:26<noorul>what do you mention as incoming server in you client
05:27<noorul>*your client
05:27<panagos>is there a way to have both qt 4.3 and 4.4 installed in parallel? because psi is having problems with qt version 4.4
05:27<ariel>the truth is i am concerned with giving too much info (security wise)
05:27<ariel>i left nothing unchanged on the clients
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05:28<ariel>sorry i changed nothing
05:28<ariel>on the clients
05:28<ariel>they look for email on
05:28<jaakko>panagos: with dpkg you can do that, but don't know about your system.. :-/
05:29<noorul>say for example your domain is
05:29<noorul>do you have A record?
05:29<panagos>anyone know when psi 0.12 will enter unstable?
05:29<noorul>do you give as incoming server?
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05:29<ariel>in incoming server it is
05:30<ariel>smtp is different as isp put restrictions
05:30<noorul>why do you want qt 4.3
05:30<noorul>is 4.4 not backward compatible?
05:31<ariel>now is asking for a password because i changed the a records and the new server does not support email
05:31<ariel>should I have used website redirection instead?
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05:36<ariel>welcome back noorul
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05:38<ariel>Emleymore you there?
05:38<dawid>could someone help me with my debian ?
05:38<dawid>I have a problem with libc6
05:39<dawid>is there anyone who could help me ?
05:39<jaakko>dawid: etch(stable)? what problem?
05:39<dawid>E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6
05:39<dawid>I am using Lenny
05:40<jaakko>dawid: and when/where do you get that?
05:40<dawid>apt-get -f install
05:40<dawid>at "/var/cache/apt/archives" I have file libc6_2.7-10_i386.deb
05:41<dawid>when I type
05:41<dawid>dpkg --install libc6_2.7-10_i386.deb
05:41<dpkg>dawid: i haven't a clue
05:41<dawid>A non-dpkg owned copy of the libc6-i686 package was found.
05:41<dawid>It is not safe to upgrade the C library in this situation;
05:41<dawid>please remove that copy of the C library and try again.
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05:42<dawid>do you have any ideas how to solve it ?
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05:44<noorul>thanx ariel
05:44<noorul>did you solve it?
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05:45<dawid>could you help me with libc6 ?
05:46<noorul>dawid: did you upgrade from etch? or was it a fresh lenny install?
05:47<cahoot>dawid: you tried to perform a braintransplant on your system?
05:49<dawid>it was fresh lenny
05:49<dawid>sorry for my delay
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05:51<dawid>I installed a Debian 32-bit testing
05:52<dawid>could you help me with libc6 ?
05:53<noorul>testing branch is always a risk
05:53<noorul>if you have done a fresh install and you got this problem then you need to inform testing team
05:54<dawid>where can I find the testing team ?
05:54<noorul>testing can always break
05:54<noorul>also it is not a good idea to mess around with libc
05:54<noorul>why don't you point apt source to web archive and do distupgrade
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05:55<noorul>did you install debian without libc first?
05:55<dawid>I have installed
05:55<dawid>debian testing
05:55<dawid>it was iso
05:55<dawid>1 cd
05:56<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
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05:56<grummund_>Hi, anyone know if dhcpd can serve up a domain list for use in the 'search' directive of the clients /etc/resolv.conf ?
05:57<dawid>last, but least one - iso KDE I have downloaded and installed
05:57<dawid>so I think that libc was firstly installed
05:58<dawid>but something has crashed :/
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06:00<Hideo>dawid: you probably should have done "apt-get install kde" after you installed debian, instead of installing from the kde iso
06:00<dawid>but I'm using kde
06:01<dawid>I haven't installed just kernel
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06:01<dawid>it was kernel with enviroment kde
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06:02<micegio>c'è qualcuno al momento?
06:02<dawid>english please :P
06:02<micegio>hi all
06:03<micegio>with my debian I can see the partition only with the nautilus like root
06:03<Hideo>what do you mean by "nautilus like root"?
06:05<micegio>I've three partition, I can work only with the file system, if I want to see the file in the other paritition I need to be root with nautilus and so I can see that file
06:05<micegio>sorry for the confusion
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06:06<dawid>show me
06:06<dawid>cat /etc/fstab
06:07<Hideo>micegio: are the other partitions fat? Were they mounted only as root?
06:07<dawid>do you mean, that you have ntfs partitions and you can't open them ?
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06:07<micegio># <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
06:07<micegio>proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
06:07<micegio>/dev/sda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
06:07<micegio>/dev/sda7 none swap sw 0 0
06:07<micegio>/dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
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06:08<dawid>and you would like to open ntfs-partition ?
06:08<Hideo>he got kicked dawid
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06:09<micegio>the partition I can't see is sda5 and sda6
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06:09<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
06:09<micegio>dpkg: ok sorry again
06:09<dpkg>micegio: I don't know, could you explain it?
06:09<Hideo>we didn't see the whole of your fstab file
06:09<Hideo>micegio: you can try to paste it to one of those URL's
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06:10<micegio>wait a momnent
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06:11<micegio>it's ok now?
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06:14<Hideo>micegio: what filesystem are they?
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06:15<micegio>Hideo: I don't remember.
06:16<Hideo>fdisk -l
06:18<micegio>Hideo: HPFS/NTFS
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06:20<Hideo>micegio: ok, in the options part of the fstab file for those partitions, try adding "uid=youruserid,gid=yourgroup" in there
06:20<Hideo>then unmount and remount them
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06:21<Hideo>micegio: like so: "/dev/sda6 /mnt/win auto auto,user,uid=youruserid,gid=groupid 0 0"
06:22<micegio>nano /etc/fstab
06:22<dawid>why auto ?
06:22<Hideo>I dunno, he had it in there from before
06:22<dawid>should it be ntfs-3g, shouldn't it ?
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06:22*Hideo shrugs, may be it autodetects
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06:26<micegio>hideo: umount: only root can unmount /dev/sda6 from /mnt/win
06:26<Hideo>so unmount as root, and then remount
06:27<Hideo>are these usb drives?
06:28<micegio>no there are partition of a sata disk
06:28<Hideo>how what?
06:28<micegio>how umount?
06:29<Hideo>as root, type umount /dev/sda6
06:29<Hideo>make sure you're not accessing the drive right now
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06:32<micegio>thank for all now I need to go see you later
06:33<Hideo>micegio: let me see your modified fstab file
06:33<Hideo>I think you might have modified it wrong
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06:34<Hideo>another thing I forgot, why do you have both sda5 and sda6 mount to the same directory?
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06:37<grummund_>what needs to be installed to enable java in iceweasel? and is it possible to have activeX?
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06:39<Hideo>grummund_: sun-java6-plugin
06:39<grummund_>Hideo: thanks
06:39<Hideo>and no, no activeX available
06:40<grummund_>grr. ;)
06:40<grummund_>my ip video server wants IE7 with activeX
06:40<dpkg>rumour has it, activex is Microsoft technology designed to enable easier multimedia on the Web. ActiveX controls can be used in Java to create multimedia effects. Check out for more info. used for compiling insecure code off the net and downloading viruses, or now supported in KDE
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06:43<Hideo>that site is dead, someone should edit the factoid
06:47<mastroquet>see you later, people ;)
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07:04<wea0>I have a Problem with KPackage in Lenny: It doesn't show all available updates.
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07:05<lex>make aptitude update and if there're updated, it'll show you
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07:12<wea0>OK, so I run aptitude and it shows me 4 upgradeable packages. Then I run KPackage and it shows only two of them as upgradeable.
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07:13<lex>aptitude update
07:13<lex>thrn aptitude upgrade
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07:18<wea0>That would install all four packages just fine. Thats not my problem. My problem is: I want to use KPackage and KPackage does not show all of those upgradable packages.
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07:25<Hideo>heh, I wonder how many people here forgot to regenerate their client certificates to connect to OFTC
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07:25<Hideo>I know I did
07:25<Hideo>hi there
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07:26<normalnick-kgb>When then SSL/SSH updates will be avalible via apt-get (on stable) ? why Debian dont include them to repository yet ? (its common practice ?)
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07:27<Alik>i changed by mistake the root chsh
07:27<Alik>how do i fix it ?
07:27<Hideo>normalnick-kgb: if you have in your sources, they should already be updated
07:27<normalnick-kgb>Hideo: how i can check ?
07:27<Alik>Cannot execute /bin/nologin: No such file or directory
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07:28<normalnick-kgb>Alik: /usr/sbin/nologin
07:28<Hideo>normalnick-kgb: apt-cache policy openssl
07:28<Hideo>normalnick-kgb: check the versions
07:28<Alik>i can't login with root normalnick-kgb
07:28<erKURITA>normalnick-kgb grep "security" /etc/apt/sources.list aswell
07:29<klh> does not answer, is it same for you ?
07:29<Hideo>klh: yep, same here
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07:30<Alik>anyone can help me please
07:30<normalnick-kgb>erKURITA: i have security repository enabled of course :)
07:30<normalnick-kgb>Alik: please type /usr/bin/env nologin
07:31<normalnick-kgb>and give the output here
07:31<Alik>./usr/bin/env: nologin: No such file or directory
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07:31<normalnick-kgb>wtf ?!
07:31<normalnick-kgb>Alik: have u removed nologin program ?
07:31<Hideo>watch the first dot
07:31<Alik>i changed by mistake the root shell
07:32<Alik>no i didnt removed anything
07:32<Alik>just changed by mistake the shell for root
07:32<normalnick-kgb>Alik: boot in single mode, and edit /etc/passwd shell
07:32<Alik>now i cant loging with root
07:32<Alik>i can't login in single mode it's a remote server
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07:32<normalnick-kgb>though :/ hmm let me think
07:33<erKURITA>do you have sudo ?
07:33<Alik>not working sudo
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07:33<Alik>maybe i can just copy the command
07:33<Alik>will it work ?
07:34<erKURITA>why did you change the root shell anyway
07:34<Alik>by mistake :(
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07:35<erKURITA>you just don't change the root shell by mistake
07:35<Alik>if i'll d/l the sudo cmd will it work ?
07:36<erKURITA>you don't even have root access to use apt-get
07:36<erKURITA>unless it's u+s
07:36<Alik>cant i su with a shell
07:36<Hideo>well can you?
07:36<normalnick-kgb>Hideo: In "apt-cache policy openssl" i have installed (SSL) 0.9.8c-4etch3 version. Does 0.9.8c-4etch3 = 4.3p2-9etch1 (withotu bug). Naming is pretty confusing
07:37<normalnick-kgb>Can u do: su -s /bin/bash ?
07:37<Alik>i'm asking if i can do it to login with a shell i mean like /bin/bash
07:37<Hideo>normalnick-kgb: /msg dpkg dsa1571
07:37<normalnick-kgb>Alik: try "su -s /bin/bash"
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07:37<Alik>still -> Cannot execute /bin/nologin: No such file or directory
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07:38<normalnick-kgb>Hiedo: Im reading that advisory since few days :)
07:38<normalnick-kgb>does Does 0.9.8c-4etch3 = 4.3p2-9etch1 ?
07:38<Hideo>I think it mentions the version in there
07:38<Alik>any other ideans ?
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07:38<normalnick-kgb>cos the diffrent naming is used in "apt-cache policy" and diffrent in secuity advisory :/
07:38<Alik>ideas ?
07:39<Hideo>I don't know about 4.3p2-9etch1, but I know 0.9.8c-4etch3 is not vulnerable
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07:40<Hideo>normalnick-kgb: um.. on mine apt-cache policy shows " 0.9.8c-4etch3 0
07:40<Hideo> 500 stable/updates/main Packages
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07:40<normalnick-kgb>hideo: same in me.
07:40<normalnick-kgb>so thanks.
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07:42<Alik>any one can help me ?
07:42<normalnick-kgb>Alik: no :(
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07:43<Alik>how come..
07:43<Alik>there should be something i can do
07:44<normalnick-kgb>can someone explain me how it is possible that im running ssh server on Debian without "openssh-server" package installed ? LOL but i have "3.8.1p1-8.sarg Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH)". and even funnier i can install (via apt-get) the openssh-server so this is the diffrent package. wtf ?!
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07:45<normalnick-kgb>and no, i dont complied ssh server on my own
07:46<Hideo>dpkg -l | grep -i ssh
07:46<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep -i ssh
07:46<normalnick-kgb>Hiedo :) I have just done this... ""3.8.1p1-8.sarg Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH)" :D
07:46<normalnick-kgb>but im courios what is the "openssh-server" package than ?
07:47<Alik>can i changed something thru ftp ?
07:47<normalnick-kgb>some OTHER ssh server ?
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07:47<normalnick-kgb>hmm funny. its a sarg !!
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07:48<normalnick-kgb>but the system is etch :/
07:49<normalnick-kgb>i need manual upgrade :/ apt-get is worse and worse every year
07:50<wnd>there used to be a single package for ssh server and client. I can't remember when it was split.
07:50<normalnick-kgb>thanks mate.
07:50<dpkg>openssh is, like, a free implementation of the SSH protocol that comes standard in Debian as package ssh (both client and server until post-sarge). Getting started with SSH :
07:50<erKURITA>nuh uh
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07:53<Alik>how do i do login to root
07:54<Alik>can i use the command login ?
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07:55<normalnick-kgb>Any ideas how i can FULLY do updating / upgrading on machine ? (the "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade -y;apt-get clean) is "not" working in all cases. do i need to force dist-upgrade too : / But then how to exclude installing unwanted stuff like X windows. and it should be AUTOMATED. (coz doing this manually is easy). any ideas or working bulletproff scripts for updates/upgrades running from crontab ?
07:56<normalnick-kgb>Alik: try.
07:56<defcon>normalnick-kgb, try aptitute full-upgrade
07:56<wea0_>I have a Problem with KPackage in Lenny: It doesn't show all available updates.
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07:57<normalnick-kgb>defcon: why do i need gcc and gnupg when installing aptitude ? LOL "3 upgraded, 17 newly installed,"
07:58<normalnick-kgb>its insane
07:58<Hideo>Alik: I guess if you don't have physical access to the server and can't boot up in single mode, then ... how about local root exploit
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07:59<Hideo>Alik: assuming, that is really your own server and all
08:00<nandos>hey any1 can tell me how to expand my /dev/hda1 patition to the full pysical size of my harddrive?
08:00<Hideo>nandos: look into cfdisk
08:00<Alik>yes it is
08:01<twb>nandos: two steps: first grow the partition, then grow the filesystem
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08:01<Alik>hmm where can i get local root exploit
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08:02<Hideo>Alik: that is outside the scope of #debian
08:02<Alik>hmm ok
08:02<Alik>i'll try to find something
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08:05<Hideo>twb: would you lose/corrupt data if you shrink the fs?
08:06<nandos>twd: thank you but how can i grow the partition?
08:07<nandos>is it safer to do this with gPated boot cd?
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08:08<Hideo>nandos: a live cd would be better, so that you won't touch the partition while editing it
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08:08<normalnick-kgb>use gparted
08:08<twb>Hideo: not if you do it correctly.
08:08<nandos>ok tnx im downloading the iso right now
08:09<twb>Hideo: note that some filesystems, most notably xfs, do not support shrinking.
08:09<Hideo>twb: do tell, that's what I've always been wondering but never knew how to do
08:10<twb>Hideo: well, for ext3 you'd just call resize2fs with the appropriate size or decrement.
08:10<twb>Hideo: then tell LVM or fdisk that you want to shrink the underlying partition.
08:10<twb>Hideo: obviously if you have a 20GB filesystem with 20GB *utilized*, you can't shrink it to 10GB
08:11<Hideo>how about for a fat partition?
08:11<twb>Note that resize2fs can work online -- i.e. while the filesystem is in use
08:11<twb>Hideo: I believe GNU parted can resize FAT filesystems.
08:12<nandos>expanding the size of /dev/hda1 to the full size of the pysical drive wont make me loss all my data right?
08:12<Hideo>nandos: it shouldn't
08:12<twb>nandos: changing the partition table only affects the partition table
08:12<twb>nandos: if you fuck up, you can just write back the old partition table (assuming you took a backup of it).
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08:12<nandos>the pt must be resize as well rught
08:13<twb>nandos: you MUST grow the partition before you grow the filesystem
08:13*Skrat waves
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08:14<Hideo>twb: What if you have data at the end of the fat partition?
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08:15<twb>Hideo: resizing the filesystem includes rearranging the blocks
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08:15<twb>Hideo: however FAT may be an exception -- I believe one normally "defrags" FAT filesystems before shrinking them
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08:15<twb>This is because FAT is a very primitive design.
08:16<normalnick-kgb>can i blacklist some apt-get packages names (like x-windows or gcc*), to prevent installing them during upgrade (yes i know that i can exclude them on commandline, but i dont want do that) ? some file in /etc/apt/* ?
08:16<Hideo>heh, I don't know how to defrag fat fs in linux
08:16<fxiny>fat is pathetic ;)
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08:16<normalnick-kgb>fat32 is very nice. i have been running linux form it in old days :)
08:16<Hideo>twb: thanks for the info, nice to know :)
08:16<normalnick-kgb>coz it is possible
08:17<twb>normalnick-kgb: not really, but you can do this:
08:17<twb>normalnick-kgb: aptitude install foo xorg-
08:17<fxiny>there is a fat/pathetic factoid
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08:17<twb>normalnick-kgb: which says "install foo and remove xorg", thereby preventing xorg from being installed by foo.
08:18<normalnick-kgb>hmm :/ thats not im looking for :/ coz i DONT know what packages i will be upgrading. but i KNOW what packages i dont want in my system (Ever)
08:19<Hideo>he wants to automate upgrade, twb
08:19<normalnick-kgb>bulletproff automate upgrade...
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08:19<normalnick-kgb>coz "basic" automate upgrade "is" working, but not nice since 2 years ;)
08:20<Hideo>normalnick-kgb: I think a server is like a baby, you still have to keep an eye on it ;)
08:21<normalnick-kgb>haha. yeah. but i have run this "server" just few times in year. and i wish to automate upgrading (for fun) :]
08:22<fxiny>checkout apticron and cron-apt
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08:23<twb>Hideo: what he wants, AFAICT, is to upgrade everything that does not, by upgrading, cause xserver-xorg to be installed.
08:24<twb>IMO this is very stupid; after all, just having Xorg on the disk will not cause it to ever be run, and he is unlikely to desperately need to save 80MB of disk space.
08:24<normalnick-kgb>fxiny: "apt-get install apticron" 5 upgraded, 32 newly installed LOL. no i dont want it :]
08:24<normalnick-kgb> /dev/hda1 3.9G 3.6G 121M 97% /
08:24<fxiny>normalnick-kgb: you running out at space on the "corporate" server ? :)
08:24<normalnick-kgb>80MB is important ;)
08:24<twb>normalnick-kgb: I have a 4GB disk, too.
08:25<normalnick-kgb>fxiny: no. its just hobby machine
08:25<twb>normalnick-kgb: I can tell you that xorg consumes negligible space.
08:25<twb>normalnick-kgb: you would better spend your time looking at debfoster and deborphan
08:25<fxiny>32 is nothing , i went through the gtk2.10 compilation on my old box and hell how many dev i had to install
08:25<normalnick-kgb>twb: i use orphaner
08:25<Hideo>to minimize space, look into localepurge too
08:25<twb>normalnick-kgb: OK.
08:26<twb>Yes, and apt-get (auto)clean
08:26<normalnick-kgb>i have :)
08:26<twb>I also make /tmp and /var/tmp tmpfs
08:26<twb>Er, /var/log not /var/tmp
08:26<normalnick-kgb>no u dont understand: my system is VERY clean. thats whay i dont want those X on that server. (and the system is small, the other files consume 90% of hd space)
08:26<fxiny>after one hour i had gtk installed in /opt , so now i can see how firebus3-rc1 performs on a old box
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08:27<nandos>ok boot-up with gParted but it wont let me to re size /dev/hda1 to the allocated free space
08:27<fxiny>iceweasel never hreaks but firebus hang :P
08:28<twb>normalnick-kgb: IMO if 90% of your disk is consumed by non-OS data, it would be FAR more productive to spend time working out ways to reduce that data rather than the 10% of OS
08:28<Hideo>haha, why do you call it firebus?
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08:28<normalnick-kgb>twb: i will not remove my mp3 collection ;)
08:29<fxiny>normalnick-kgb: start removing pr0n from var , we all keep them in var ;)
08:29<normalnick-kgb>i dont have porn on computer
08:29<twb>normalnick-kgb: you could rerip it as vorbis instead
08:29<normalnick-kgb>when i need it i just download it ;)
08:30<twb>You could store the porn on a SAN
08:30<twb>It would be called "ecchi-san"
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08:30<fxiny>san ?
08:30<normalnick-kgb>twb: im not a geek, i dont have time to convert mp3 to vorbis to save 4% disk space ;)
08:30<twb>Storage Area Network
08:30<twb>normalnick-kgb: not convert, re-rip
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08:30<twb>normalnick-kgb: lossy -> lossy is evil
08:30<twb>There is a song about it
08:31<Hideo>lossy --> lossy = lossier
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08:31<vmuser>hello I have tried adding ICEWEASEL_DSP="aoss" to iceweaselrc to get sound but I seem to be unable to get sound from iceweasel and flash on boot the system does beep but makes no other sound but I am running a minimal xfce ...any ideas how to fix this?
08:32<cahoot>vmuser: run speaker-test in a terminal (alsa-utils need IIRC)
08:32<Hideo>do you get sound outside of iceweasel?
08:32<twb>vmuser: is there a sound card, according to alsa?
08:32<normalnick-kgb>i dont care. im not a geek. mp3 is fine for me. even it is not "Free" or other Stallman religion stuff ;)
08:33<fxiny>i wanted to check firebus3 on etch cause the egg-heads at google are telling me i am on a slow connection when reading gmail from etch/iceweasel . all of a sudden i got upgraded to a superfast dsl while reading mail with firebus3 , hahaha
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08:33<fxiny>why they hate etch users is a mistery to me
08:33<twb>fxiny: you could use gmail's IMAP backend.
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08:34<vmuser>twb using what utility yesterday i cat /dev/somthing to do with sound and it appeared to see speaker-test produces nothing
08:34<cahoot>no error?
08:34<fxiny>twb: i've done a trick for sending mail using gmail smtp via mutt : mutt hook :)
08:35<fxiny>mutt rulez
08:35<cahoot>vmuser: (as root) invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0
08:35<twb>fxiny: mutt speaks imap and smtp natively
08:35<normalnick-kgb>hmm i know. maybe i will hack apt-cache database and i will just remove my "blacklist wish" stuff from there...
08:36<vmuser>cahoot that worked what did that do?
08:36<fxiny>twb: gog-magog should ring to bpo ppl , they are loosing etch customers . i'm alredy using yahoo
08:36<cahoot>vmuser: unmuted and set levels
08:36<fxiny>twb: yes , mutt speaks imap
08:36<cahoot>vmuser: the script is easily read
08:37<vmuser>thanks cahoot I will study that command till i understand it
08:37<Hideo>vmuser: the script is in /etc/init.d/alsa-utils btw
08:37<vmuser>oh i understand now thanks
08:39<fxiny>twb: send2-hook '~f' 'set sendmail="/usr/bin/msmtp -a gmail"' does it
08:39<twb>fxiny: set smtp_url = smtp://
08:40<fxiny>the nice thing is gmail keeps all mail sent . handy records
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08:41<fxiny>twb: i have already 4 mutt profiles. i'm loosing my head :)
08:42<fxiny>twb: that "set smtp_url" above will work all the times ?
08:42<Hideo>fxiny: just end all your emails with "ali baba" and the NSA will keep records for you :P
08:42<fxiny>i want to use my isp and gmail
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08:43<fxiny>Hideo: hahah yesterday in chan there was some beim Laden which is something in german
08:43<fxiny>can't rememebr what beim means
08:44<normalnick-kgb>this is obsession about Bin Laden is funny imo :p
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08:45<fxiny>he's a revolting bastard
08:46<fxiny>Hideo: all my NSA records deleted :)))
08:46<Hideo>fxiny: well according to babel fish, "beim laden" is "load with", whatever that means
08:46<fxiny>Hideo: yes that was . really . yesterday in chan
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08:47<fxiny>Hideo: a borked/sopped installed
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08:47<normalnick-kgb>The US military have killed ~100.000 civilians during operation "war" in Iraq and Afganistan (only during the"offical" WAR time ! Not now !) more people than Bin Laden group in WTC and Tanzania/Kenya attacks.
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08:48<normalnick-kgb>Bin laden is overrated imo
08:48<Hideo>... and they still haven't caught him yet ...
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08:48<Hideo>ah well, offtopic
08:48<twb>normalnick-kgb: my understanding is that the reasoning is "they aren't Americans, so they don't count"
08:48<normalnick-kgb>because they dont wat it :)
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08:49<fxiny>normalnick-kgb: we can't walk free on this planet anymore . this counts
08:49<twb>After all, American military are notorious for killing their *allies*, let alone noncoms
08:49<normalnick-kgb>catching Bin laden = end war for oil ^H ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H i mean war with terror
08:50<normalnick-kgb>and USA WANT to controll middle east
08:50<fxiny>that bastard hits my natural rights
08:50<Hideo>the logic that leads from Bin Laden to Iraq, I'll never get
08:50<fxiny>yes yes
08:50<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on
08:50<normalnick-kgb>Gekz: u are a terrorist ! ;)
08:50<Gekz>normalnick-kgb: whats it to you
08:50<normalnick-kgb>ok. sorry for that
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08:54<Hideo>have you guys all regenerate your OFTC certs?
08:54<fxiny>ok back to topic : i have compiled/installed gtk2.10 in /opt and i have purged all *dev*.deb , a ton . not i have bzipped /opt and moved it on my next box . running firebus3-rc1 with export bla bla works , no need to install compile anything
08:54<normalnick-kgb>Hideo: i need to regenerate them if i dont use them ?
08:54<Hideo>normalnick-kgb: no
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08:54<fxiny>du -h /opt 50M /opt
08:55<Hideo>normalnick-kgb: if you don't use them, you never had them in the first place
08:56<Hideo>normalnick-kgb: you should use the certs tho, very convenient, you don't have to manually identify to Nickserv everytime you log on
08:56<normalnick-kgb>im not a geek ;) and i dont care really
08:56<normalnick-kgb>maybe few years ago... ;)
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08:58<Hideo>normalnick-kgb: it's hardly a geek thing, and you barely use 2 brain cells setting it up :)
08:59<fxiny>two ? one for nick and one for serv ?
08:59<fxiny>i might do it as well
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09:00<normalnick-kgb>im not geek since 2007 ;)
09:01<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on
09:01<normalnick-kgb>and belive me or not: now i have a girlfriend ;)
09:01<Gekz>please, leave.
09:01<Gekz>before you die.
09:01<Gekz>I doubt your girlfriend condones of you talking to foxy ladies on chat rooms
09:01<Hideo>Gekz: is regenerating certs after the debian ssl thing offtopic?
09:01<Gekz>Hideo: no.
09:02<_LikwidAtom>Hi, I've just installed Debian 4, and its come up with X Window System errors, and wont load a GUI.
09:02<fxiny>foxy ladies or lorry dirvers ?
09:02<Gekz>fxiny: foxy lady lorry drivers.
09:02<fxiny>Gekz: heheheh
09:02<normalnick-kgb>$exec, 'die'
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09:02<Aleric>_LikwidAtom: The long road to X ... Takes me two weeks to set up X every time I upgrade :p
09:02<Gekz>Hideo: do you need help regenerating the cert?
09:03<Gekz>afaik, it does it automatically on install
09:03<twb>_LikwidAtom: what is the error?
09:03<Hideo>no, I was reminding people who use ssl certs to connect to oftc to regenerate them
09:04<Gekz>I find the whole ssl thing freaking pathetic
09:04<_LikwidAtom>(EE) VESA(0): Cannot read V_BIOS (3)
09:04<Gekz>it makes me lulz.
09:04<_LikwidAtom>(EE) Screen(s) found, but non have a usable configuration
09:04<Hideo>Gekz: people make mistakes ...
09:05<twb>_LikwidAtom: what is the output of "lspci | grep VGA"?
09:05<Gekz>Hideo: that went unnoticed for 2 years
09:05<Hideo>better than forever
09:06<_LikwidAtom>Two VGA compatible controlers, one with an unknown device tag, and one with the model etc..
09:06<Gekz>Hideo: not true
09:07<Hideo>Gekz: with M$, you probably wouldn't know things like that exist
09:07<Gekz>no, people always point out MS's flaws
09:07<Gekz>and they cry.
09:07<fxiny>think positive : good security reaction , decent threads in debian-security . better user understanding of ssh stuff scatterd around they're boxes , stale passwords and certs gone . what else ?
09:09<_LikwidAtom>If i remember rightly, I tried mandriva on this box, and got a similar problem, but their irc-support was dodgy, and they didnt help one bit.
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09:11<Aleric>_LikwidAtom: A general "it doesn't work" for X is too huge for IRC imho. It would take possibly hours to get it fixed if a guru came over and sat behind your PC. With a response time of 1 minute (like you just did), nobody is going to put time into it.
09:11<Aleric>_LikwidAtom: You're better off with Google, forums - and only if you are getting stuck on a very specific issue that can be answered quickly, ask here.
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09:12<fxiny>sans is back to green from yellow . we can get drunk again :P
09:13<fxiny>lemme see what /. is up to . and wireZd
09:14<fxiny>i have such a big gun as firebus3-rc1 ...
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09:17<abrotman>_LikwidAtom: which video card and which driver?
09:17<_LikwidAtom>Im currently using the NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS
09:19<abrotman>or a laptop?
09:19<_LikwidAtom>Desktop (sorry)
09:19<abrotman>does the vesa driver work?
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09:20<_LikwidAtom>When I booted up, it said that there was a problem with XWindows, so it disabled it, and when I tried to run it, it gave these two errors: (EE) VESA(0): Cannot read V_BIOS (3) || (EE) Screen(s) found, but non have a usable configuration
09:21<abrotman>_LikwidAtom: right .. which driver were you trying to use? nvidia,nv or vesa?
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09:21<valdyn>abrotman: (EE) VESA(0)
09:22<abrotman>valdyn: i get VESA warnings while using the intel driver
09:22<abrotman>(II) intel(0): VESA BIOS detected
09:22<abrotman>or vesa messages
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09:24<valdyn>_LikwidAtom: run "grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf", tell us the 3rd line
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09:25<abrotman>specified a pciid?
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09:26<_LikwidAtom>I just booted, and it gave those errors i mentioned.
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09:26<valdyn>!drxx _LikwidAtom
09:26<dpkg>_LikwidAtom: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
09:27<_LikwidAtom>Just have done
09:27<_LikwidAtom>Same errors
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09:29<SANYA>çäàðîâà ïàðíè)
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09:32<dpkg>ru is, like, Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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09:36<SANYA>ïî Ðóññêè êòî íèáóäü ãîâîðèò?
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09:37<abrotman>SANYA: #debian-russian on .. english in here only
09:37<SANYA>äà äà äà äà äà çíàþ
09:37<SANYA>òàì ìîë÷àò âñå)
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09:45<dpkg>it has been said that fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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09:48<lucas_amorim>hello. I have been using gtkguitune to tune in my guitars. But today I tried to execute it and got the following message error: Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to load module "": cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory initializing audio at /dev/dsp /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
09:48<lucas_amorim>And I have already installed the oss-compat package...
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09:48<lucas_amorim>what is happening, what should I do?
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09:50<sylock>hi here
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09:52<sylock>I installed the testing version but installed once a sid application. Since, the os is tag as testing/sid. I desinstalled the sid application but i'm not succeding to go back to a testing only tag. Do you have an idea ?
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09:55<mike>Hi! New testing version of xkb-data do not allow me to switch keyboard layout, now I'm using stable wersion of this packet. How can I report a bug?
09:56<dpkg>hmm... reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web,, or see for some general info about using reportbug and/or for debian-installater bug reporting
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09:57<adrub>I've got a problem, when I want to install gnome ... ;/
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09:57<mike>Thank you!
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09:58<noflash>!tell adrub -about ask
09:58<adrub>apt-get writes me, that to install gnome-core I need gnome-applets and gnome-panel... in which repo is it
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09:58<adrub>I have debian etch
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10:00<sylock>what's the problem adrub ?
10:00<sylock>ah I just read your message
10:00<sylock>these are on the official repo
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10:01<sylock>juste type apt-get install <name_of_the_package>
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10:02<sylock>if you want to install every packages for gnom, just type apt-get install gnome gdm
10:02<sylock>and also the x-server package
10:03<adrub>sylock, I know it... but it is a problem.. because.. apt-get sees gnome package... but it does'nt see gnome-panel
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10:05<sylock>did you looked your /etc/apt/source.list to be sure that you included goods repos ?
10:05<sylock>if yes, did you made a apt-get update before ?
10:05<adrub>I'm sure it... but wait.. I'll show you :)
10:06<adrub>I did
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10:06<sylock>show to me
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10:07<lucas_amorim> I have been using gtkguitune to tune in my guitars. But today I tried to execute it and got the following message error: Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to load module "": cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory initializing audio at /dev/dsp /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
10:07<lucas_amorim> And I have already installed the oss-compat package...
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10:07<lucas_amorim>what is happening, what should I do?
10:08<lucas_amorim>another program crashing with this same error is lingot
10:08<adrub>it's my source.list
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10:08<abel_>i can write ntfs partition
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10:08<sylock>I'm looking at
10:08<abel_>i cant write ntfs partition
10:10<sylock>to write ntfs partition you have to install "ntfs-3g" package
10:10<sylock>you source.list seems good
10:10<twb>lucas_amorim: gtkguitune is trying to access the sound device directly, and either it doesn't exist (because the appropriate driver isn't loaded) or -- more likely -- some other application or daemon (e.g. esd or arts) is using the sound device.
10:11<sylock>try an apt-cache search gnom-pannel
10:11<sylock>it works here
10:11<sylock>gnome-pannel (forgot the "e")
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10:11<adrub>apt see it
10:11<sylock>so you could install it
10:11<adrub>I can't
10:11<adrub>it is strange
10:11<adrub>I'll show you
10:12<lucas_amorim>twb: thanks
10:12<sylock>what's the error message ?
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10:13<SANYA>ãîâîðèò êòî ïî Ðóññêè?
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10:14<azeem>SANYA: please write in english
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10:14<SANYA>I from Russia
10:14<adrub> sylock
10:15<dpkg>somebody said ru was Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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10:15<sylock>sorry adrub but I only understand english or french
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10:16<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
10:16<sylock>I can't understand messages from your apt-get command
10:16<adrub>I translated the most important lines on a bottom
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10:17<adrub>ohh... sylock
10:18<adrub>it is strange but aptitude wants to install it o_O
10:18<SANYA>How are you?
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10:18<adrub>I wrote aptitude install gnome.. and it looks good
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10:18<sylock>so strange !
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10:19<adrub>I will try reinstall apt-get or so on...
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10:19<sylock>this is strange because your apt-cache search find the package
10:19<adrub>yes I know it...
10:19<adrub>that is why i wrote my problem here
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10:21<SANYA>You understand me not much?)
10:21<adrub>Nevertheless thank you sylock for help ;)
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10:22<sylock>you're welcome ;)
10:22<azeem>SANYA: if you have a Debian question, either ask in english here, or in russian in #debian-russian on
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10:23<adrub>sylock... one more question... are you english? ;]
10:24<SANYA>I do not understand you)))
10:24<dpkg>methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
10:24<sylock>i'm not but belgian and french speaking ;)
10:24<azeem>laste chance
10:24<dpkg>[ru] Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
10:24<adrub>nice ;)
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10:25<adrub>! pl
10:25<dpkg>rumour has it, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
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10:27<SANYA>âñåì áá
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10:36<twb>...or prolog
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10:41<limi_styler>my namber 07156432244
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10:43<fxiny>i prefere 31337
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10:54<erdbeer>why is truecrypt not in the debian repo?
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10:56<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, truecrypt is a non-free (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts at plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. See
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11:07<tchaikov>/join #debian-zh
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11:09<avtobiff>i cannot mount my fat16 usb stick in the debian-installer, have i missed something?
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11:16<abc>Can I get help to install my headphones? It's a logitech headset and it's connected via usb. When I type the command 'lsusb' in a terminal I see this: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:0a01 Logitech, Inc.
11:17<abc>What do I do now?
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11:20<qq>abc: alsamixer
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11:28<abc>In alsamixer headphone have 00. I can't adjust the volume.
11:28<Franki>I was just wondering why /usr/lib/openssh/ssh-keysign needs setuid root
11:29<cahoot>abc: alsamixer accesses the headset?
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11:30<cahoot>abc: i e not any other sounddevice present on the system?
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11:30<abc>Yes, cahoot.
11:31<cahoot>abc: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one?
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11:34<yayo>is there a way I can download a msn messenger on debian?
11:35<Torsten_W>apt-get install amsn
11:35<cahoot>abc: and which is the usb-audio 0 or 1?
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11:36<shilow>does anyone know if they had trouble fullscreening on youtube after the most rescent iceweasel update ?
11:36<abc>cahoot: 1
11:37<cahoot>abc: so alsamixer -c1 to access the headset
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11:39<abc>OK I raised the voule to max now but I still don't get any sound
11:40<cahoot>unmuted too?
11:40<cahoot>...and - does you soundapp direct the output to correct device?
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11:40<cahoot>you can run asoundconf and make the headset the default
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11:42<Mrkva>is there any electronics geek? can you pleas tell me, what is this? (if i use the separated pin as ground, i get (from left to right: -3.3V, -3.3V, 0V)
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11:43<yayo>ok thank you
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11:45<abc>Yes I think everything is unmuted but I don't know if Rhytmbox is set to output the sound to my headphones though.
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11:47<cahoot>abc: to make sure - run (as root) invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 1
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11:51<abc>cahoot: Done. Still no sound.
11:51<abc>Is there anything else I should check?
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11:52<cahoot>prova speaker-test -D hw:1
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11:55<Franki>Mrkva: I'm not sure, but maybe it is some kind of temperature sensor, fan or debug socket. If so, then I would guess that it uses a kind of serial protocol, like i2c or the like
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11:57<Mrkva>Franki, thanks:)
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11:58<Mrkva>Franki, it isn't temp. sensor or fan - i'm sure about this... b
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12:00<abc>cahoot: "speaker-test -D hw:1" produces loud ticking noises
12:00<cahoot>speaker-test -D hw:1 -t wav for more joy
12:01<Mrkva>Franki, but is there any way, how to figure out what exactly it is? :)
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12:02<cahoot>abc: got sound?
12:04<abc>Not yet!
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12:11<Plazzmex>there will be a problem to install debian on 128mb ram memory ?
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12:12<Plazzmex>there will be a problem to install debian on 128mb ram memory ?
12:12<Plazzmex>and what will be the restrictions?
12:13<witte>Plazzmex: you should be able to do that
12:13<witte>Plazzmex: but don't expect a fully capable gui installation
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12:14<witte>Plazzmex: i have a debian with 96 MB
12:14<Plazzmex>what do you mean by saying "fully capable gui installation" ?
12:15<Franki>Mrkva: get a i2c board. your picture looks a bit like it is from some pc-device. in this case it might be a smb
12:15<jaakko>Plazzmex: that is enough for a nice desktop, but you have to choose the apps, don't install Gnome
12:15<witte>Plazzmex: you shouldn't expect to do any 3d graphics or photo editing
12:15<jaakko>Plazzmex: If it is slow depends on you cpu..
12:16<Plazzmex>gnome will not run on 128mb?
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12:16<witte>Plazzmex: there is a difference between will not run an will not run comfortably
12:16<jaakko>Plazzmex: don't know if it runs but is wasting memory and swapping pretty soon...
12:16<Mrkva>Franki, well... it's an VoIP gateway (welltech ata 151)
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12:17<witte>Plazzmex: but there are alternatives, you do not need gnome...
12:18<Franki>hmm, i don't have any experience with VoiP, nor with gateways and i only have basic i2c and hardware skills. I guess that won't help you further.
12:18<jaakko>Plazzmex: xfce looks like gnome, works nice. try it
12:19<jaakko>Plazzmex: I even like it more than gnome, no matter the memory usage
12:19<Franki>but i2c isn't that difficult. Aren't there some real hardware channels here?
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12:21<abc>Sound is working now. Thank you cahoot for the help.
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12:31<vmuser>anyone know of any distributed secure storage solutions preferably built on debian that would work placed on lets say 10 servers in different locations that has some sort of data redundancy...
12:31<vmuser>its a little much to ask for but am looking for a solution for a project. I had looked at AFS but it seems extremely complicated to setup
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12:36<vmuser>fragmentation-redundancy-scattering (FRS) seems like it might be a solution for such a setup but it doesn't seem like its yet a real solution just a lab test
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12:37<dendrite>vmuser: I guess a vpn'd rsync approach could work.
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12:39<jaakko>vmuser: if the data is something in database, you could use MySQL syncing capabilities
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12:39<jaakko>vmuser: but if you need file storage, different thing.
12:39<dendrite>Or PosggreSQL syncing, for that matter.
12:39<vmuser>hmm I would have to layer it with encryption or somthing I wonder if there would be a way to treat every location as an iscsi device and distribute the data like one found in raid or somthing...all good suggestions thanks,
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12:41<AbsintheSyringe>I have a weird problem with istanbul, once my video is recorded I can't play it, totem closes immidetly after I play it, debian etch
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12:41<jaakko>AbsintheSyringe: start totem from command line to see the msg
12:42<limi>waht6s you name
12:42<jaakko>AbsintheSyringe: does your totem work with other videos (in that format?)?
12:43<azeem>limi: do you have a Debian question?
12:43<AbsintheSyringe>jaakko, yea, I also got win32codecs and all,
12:43<azeem>limi: so please either keep quiet or leave
12:44<AbsintheSyringe>talking about debian, what's happening with debian testing?
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12:45<jaakko>AbsintheSyringe: are you running that on local machine? I got something similar with remote ssh session
12:45<azeem>AbsintheSyringe: that's an astonishingly vague question
12:45<AbsintheSyringe>weekly builds haven't been released for 13 days, complete dist-upgrade also won't be completed due to dep. problems
12:45<AbsintheSyringe>jaakko, local
12:45<azeem>weekly builds of what?
12:46<AbsintheSyringe>azeem, debian testing, cd/dvd
12:46<AbsintheSyringe>I was just wondering what's happening
12:46<azeem>AbsintheSyringe: those aren't meant for general use
12:46<azeem>as for your dep problems - no idea until you're more specific
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12:47<AbsintheSyringe>azeem, I know, but I like to to test stuff :)
12:47<AbsintheSyringe>azeem, can't remember right now, it was something related to exim and etc ...
12:47<AbsintheSyringe>went back to stable
12:47<azeem>well, if you want help, make better notes next time
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12:49<AbsintheSyringe>I took original output, but lost it during downgrade
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12:53<AbsintheSyringe>jaakko, got any other suggestions to record my desktop, besides istanbul and kdesktoprecord
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12:55<jaakko>AbsintheSyringe: no, I didn't know even those...
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12:56<AbsintheSyringe>jaakko, k, tnx
12:56<Supaplex>AbsintheSyringe: will a class room of second graders, a pile of crayons and countless sheets of paper do? ;)
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12:59<pablin30>repos for debian etch
12:59<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, deb is the extension for debian precompiled packages
12:59<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).
12:59<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
12:59<Supaplex>!tell pablin30 -about mirrors
13:00<pablin30>about mirrors
13:01<Supaplex>pablin30: /query dpkg to see that
13:01<pablin30>how to update to gnome 2.22
13:01<pablin30>or recent version
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13:02<Supaplex>!info gnome etch
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13:02<dpkg>gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1: (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 44 kB
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13:03<Supaplex>2.22 wasn't shipped with etch. backports possibly has what you're after
13:03<fxiny>FluxWmiiUp rulez
13:04<Supaplex>i've been using openbox3 for months now, and don't even miss kde (gnome totally cramped my style)
13:05<AbsintheSyringe>Supaplex, yes, that's excatly what I was looking for :)
13:05<torsten>hello, i have some problems using svn, main development was done in trunk path, now i want to move trunk to branches/newest_version, and trunk shall become an older version (-r 446), how can this be done?
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13:07<fxiny>since i tryed dwm (a chan tip) i moved to tiled windows managers : wmii , xmonad , awesome , ion+ , larswm . i still use fluxbox but hell i want wmii shortcut style
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13:08<fxiny>i can't stand the idea of virtual desktops
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13:08<fxiny>windows have tags , just that
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13:08<fxiny>and windows managers must manage windows
13:08<Supaplex>for cool
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13:10<fxiny>there are no virtual desktops : me brain refues to believe in such absurd childish thing
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13:11<fxiny>windows can have a tag as a property , stick a tag and gropup 'em up . the brain will benefit
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13:12<fxiny>can't remener who told me about dmw but for sure is the best advice i had since long long time
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13:14<fxiny>i'm selling a second-hand ,like new, logitech mouse class '98 : i don't use it too much :)
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13:32<eljefe>Can anyone help me to set up an older HP Scanner on my Lenny system? It worked out of the box in the *buntu but I don't seem to have so much luck here.
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13:36<eljefe>nevermind, solved it
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13:48<pablin30>debian startup graphic
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13:51<Supaplex>eljefe: solved it how?
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13:53<eljefe>Supaplex: I'm not sure if it was due to installing additional apps (I started with Kooka, but did some Sane installs also) but when I did run Kooka as root it worked, so i just had to add meself to the scanner group and log out and log in again
13:54<Supaplex>ahh. execellent. I had a similar problem, and similar solution needed.
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14:09<blackgoth>Hi everybody, im having a problem with my highpoint <sigh> raid controller, ive put all the drives in jbod and mdadm'd it to 1 raid0 setup, yet, performance wise it's way too slow
14:09<blackgoth>from a site i picked up this: the POSIX_WILL_NEED function of fadvise(). i have to set that to 1024
14:10<blackgoth>yet, it isnt a kernel option, as far as i could find out.
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14:13<blackgoth>the raidcontroller is a highpoint 2200 8 port using the hptmv6 driver
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14:45<dfsp_spirit>Hi, I'm using Debian Etch and I'd like to restrict the usage of cron to members of a group. I know about the possibility to add users to /etc/cron.allow and cron.deny, but can I add goups in there? Does the 'crontab' group exist for what I am trying to do?
14:46<dpkg>i guess cron is a daemon that allows programs to be run at predefined intervals as specific users. To read how to specify a job to run "man 5 crontab". To see your crontab "crontab -l". To edit it "crontab -e". System wide crontabs are /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d, and /etc/cron.* are directories have run-parts called on them from /etc/crontab. Also ask me about <crontab> <cron tutorial> and <run-parts>.
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14:46<erKURITA>!cron tutorial
14:46<dpkg>well, cron tutorial is at but use the Debian init script (/etc/init.d/cron) rather than running cron from the command line.
14:48<dfsp_spirit>I read that 5 mins ago and it doesn't say anything on adding groups.
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14:48<dfsp_spirit>So maybe this won't work, I guess. Thanks anyways.
14:48<erKURITA>search in
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14:49<dfsp_spirit>I asked here cause I thought that 'crontab' group was debian-specific
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14:49<abrotman>erKURITA: try !tell user about foo
14:50<abrotman>!tell erKURITA about tell
14:51<abrotman>instead of flooding the channel etc
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14:52<dfsp_spirit>!tell dfsp_spirit about tell
14:52<abrotman>!tell dfsp_spirit about selftell
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14:53<Kalith>help plese?
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14:53<abrotman>install the sub packages instead .. i don't think 'mono' is currently installable in lenny
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14:56<Elyon>I've got this card
14:56<Elyon>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01)
14:57<Elyon>but the xserver-xorg-video-via drivers doesn't support rendering
14:57<Elyon>here's a list of disponible drivers
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14:57<Elyon>wich i should get ?
14:57<dpkg>it has been said that unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See or bother libv. see <xorg sarge>. Use the 'via' driver in xorg
14:57<abrotman>says to use via
14:58<Elyon>thank you :)
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15:01<fxiny>to restrict cron ? i'd look into pam
15:02<fxiny>include common-auth >> wheel
15:02<erKURITA>abrotman and you go and tell me to use !tell :/
15:03<abrotman>did i do it 3 times in a row?
15:03<Laeborg> - whats wrong with my nxserver? Worked until the other day
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15:03<erKURITA>I didn't do it 3 times in a row
15:03<abrotman>you did, but one failed
15:04<abrotman>and i noticed before you do that ..
15:04<fxiny>the failed one counts^32 :P
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15:10<Elyon>I'm sorry but
15:10<Elyon>that drivers are too old
15:10<Elyon>doesn't works correctly
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15:10<Elyon>i need just to know which chipset is my card
15:10<Elyon>lspci doesn't tell me nothing
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15:13<witte>Elyon: there are newer kernels in backports i believe
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15:15<Laeborg> - whats wrong with my nxserver? Worked until the other day
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15:17<Elyon>eheh the backports doesn't help me so
15:17<AbsintheSyringe2>does anyone have a problem with viewing recorded istanbul video, my totem and every other player just closes once I do that, debian etch
15:17<Elyon>i need just know where i could find a fuctionaly driver :p
15:17<erKURITA>sounds like nxserver was trying to create a directory with an illegal name
15:18<erKURITA>AbsintheSyringe2 VLC closes aswell?
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15:18<AbsintheSyringe2>erKURITA, yea ...
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15:18<erKURITA>then it might aswell be 1) corrupt codects 2) corrupt video
15:18<witte>Elyon: are you using etch?
15:19<Elyon>I'm using lenny/sid
15:19<AbsintheSyringe>erKURITA, I can play other .ogg movies, second I got all codecs installed from multimedia stable, it's all fine execpt videos recorded with istanbul
15:19<Elyon>I've do last upgrade yesterday
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15:19<witte>Elyon: ah, ok
15:19<erKURITA>then istanbul is building the video incorrectly
15:19<erKURITA>may be*
15:19<Elyon>this is the first card gimme that problems
15:20<witte>Elyon: the card worked before?
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15:20<erKURITA>Elyon you should be aware that the risk of using sid packages is that it may break (part of) your system
15:21<Elyon>the card never worked :)
15:22<Elyon>I know that using sid is dangerous, but I'm still pretty good for a long time with sid
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15:22<abrotman>try lenny?
15:22<Elyon>the problems are also present in the other machine that mounts etch
15:22<abrotman>oh ignore
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15:23<Mastroquet>goodnight all
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15:23<Elyon>okkey, i think i shouldn't use rendering from this machine :P
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15:26<casperF>hi everyone
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15:27<vfaronov>Hello. I have installed Linux 2.6.24 (amd64) from etch-proposed-updates. Now m-a fails to build the madwifi modules for this kernel: it checks kernel config and says "Please enable wireless extensions". But the .config file for this kernel contains "CONFIG_WIRELESS_EXT=y" and I can't find any other relevant lines. Any suggestions?
15:27<casperF>i try to restore a lot of deleted files from an xp ntfs disk using knoppix
15:27<casperF>is there any tool with a gui or do i have to use ntfsundelete?
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15:30<Luk>hi all
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15:30<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead., #madwifi @ No AR5008 support until 0.9.5.
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15:31<witte>vfaronov: madwifi should work on an 2.6.24 kernel (i did not hear any complaints about madwifi in lenny or sid)
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15:33<vfaronov>witte: yes, it should, but doesn't :-) everything is fine on the normal etch 2.6.18
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15:45<blackgoth>does anyone know the sysctl key for readahead in debian etch?
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15:48<maxb>sysctl == sysrq ?
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15:48<blackgoth>there is no sysrq in my etch?
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15:48<blackgoth>only sysctl
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15:49*Kjetil thinks readahead is set via hdparm
15:49<maxb>Oh, you mean "key" in the sense of a registry, rather than on the keyboard
15:49<blackgoth>hah yeah
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15:54<blackgoth>so, nobody with any idea how to speed up the readahead?
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16:02<Laeborg> - whats wrong with my nxserver? Worked until the other day
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16:03<E0x>stderr: mkdir: cannot create directory
16:03<E0x>check that
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16:10<Pyr0man>hello all
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16:11<Pyr0man>i'm looking for help getting the windows debian installer working on my ASUS P5W
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16:12<witte>Pyr0man: windows debian installer?
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16:13<Pyr0man>it creates a new boot image on the C drive then your boot into it
16:14<Pyr0man>and it then becomese a basic Debian installation boot
16:14<witte>Pyr0man: ah, ok, i indeed heard about this project
16:14<Pyr0man>but it won't find my SATA HDD
16:14<witte>isn't it easier to just download the official debian netinstall?
16:14<Pyr0man>i think it's all caused by the Jmicron RAID controller issues that most ASUS boards have
16:15<Pyr0man>i can get the CDs to boot, but then they "fail to find CD-ROM"
16:15<Pyr0man>which is EPIC
16:15<witte>Pyr0man: you have a brand new computer?
16:16<Pyr0man>7 months old
16:16<Laeborg>E0x: what can I do about that?
16:16<witte>Pyr0man: you could try the kmuto installer, etch is currently > 1year old
16:16<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see
16:17<interbird>Pyr0man: Why not install Debian in VirtualBox? Or did you just want to try this (not-recommended) install-method ?
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16:18<Pyr0man>i have it running in VirtualBox right now (really its a KNOPPIX install), but it can't use all my hardware
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16:20<Pyr0man>that and it only seems to run the UMP kernel, because VirtualBox hides the fact that I have a Quad Core
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16:21<interbird>Pyr0man: Ok, it installs in it's own image which it loop-mounts, but your harddisk-hardware and ntfs partition must be accessible from debian and the grub it installs
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16:21<sukru>hi all
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16:22<Pyr0man>it ticks me off that i didn't pay closer attention to the forums before i bought my board, or i'd have avoided ASUS like the plague
16:23<interbird>Pyr0man: onboard sata? raid?
16:23<EmleyMoor>Maplin keep offering me ASUS when I go for one... I always say "no thanks"
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16:25<Pyr0man>it has a jmicron ATA100 raid controller
16:25<Pyr0man>but even with it disabled, and nothing attached to it
16:25<Pyr0man>it interferes with the SATA controller
16:26<Pyr0man>that comes off the Intell 975 chip
16:26<interbird>Pyr0man: Why not install Debian in it's own partition ?
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16:27<Pyr0man>i can never get the installation to a point where it can see the HDD to partition it
16:27<interbird>Pyr0man: What Debian install cd are you using ?
16:28<interbird>Pyr0man: (Besides the debian.exe method)
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16:37<Laeborg> - whats wrong with my nxserver? Worked until the other day
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16:39<interbird>Leaborg: Access rights? : 596 stderr: mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/seedbox/.nx/C-fx3719-1
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16:43<interbird>Laeborg: Access rights? : 596 stderr: mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/seedbox/.nx/C-fx3719-1
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16:46<Laeborg>hmm it have been working, and i have not changed anything
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16:50<caferacer>ola pessoal
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16:51<EmleyMoor>Is there any way to view an ActiveX-enabled site on Debian?
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16:51<interbird>Leaborg: Well, just go root and then su seedbox and see if you can create this dir in .nx; that is what i would do...
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16:55<interbird>EmleyMoor: That's like asking if anybody wants to throw firecrackers in you mailbox at years-end; maybe ies4linux goes that far; dunno.
16:56<EmleyMoor>interbird: Indeed - not a good idea - but the only way to identify places in Wayfinder... the other version of the map works fine for general use
16:56<Laeborg>mkdir: cannot create directory `test': No space left on device
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16:56<Nemoder>heh, time to delete some files?
16:56<witte>Laeborg: so your disk is full...
16:56<Laeborg>i think so :P
16:56<interbird>Leaborg: There you go...
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16:59<interbird>EmleyMoor: Dunno what "Wayfinder" is but to find my way I would never like to be dependent on Active-X, so sorry...
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17:11<alaya>oh my god this is sooo bunk! every single media player for music sucks!
17:11<alaya>xmms was the only decent one. amarok, audacious, et al. all have major bugs
17:12<alaya>and now xmms is dropped!
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17:13<interbird>so? use the source luke!
17:13<Koston>what's problem with eg. mplayer?
17:14<alaya>oh its so nauseating. i did manage to forward-port xmms and a few of its plugins, but it crashes
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17:14<alaya>does mplayer support a playlist, song queueing, mp4, musepack, flac, ogg?
17:15<interbird>I'd take it backto the store and demand a refund
17:15<Koston>at least it plays all formats
17:15<erKURITA>try exaile ?
17:15<Koston>and it supports a playlist: 'mplayer <files to play>'
17:16<alaya>hi interbird, have you, by any chance, attempted to build xmms musepack plugin from source under amd64 sid? i'm guessing not...
17:16<avu>alaya, what major audacious bug did you find?
17:16<alaya>avu: when i enqueue a list of files, it opens a separate instance of it
17:17<interbird>alaya: You guessed right; but I guess neither did you ?
17:17<avu>alaya, doesn't happen on sid.
17:17<alaya>interbird: you would have guessed wrong then. for that plus a host of other plugins i need
17:17<alaya>avu: it happens here!
17:17<avu>alaya, (you mean open an instance, then use audacious -e foo.ext, right)
17:18<interbird>alaya: Ok, I stand corrected alaya.
17:18<avu>alaya, that adds foo.ext to the playlist of the already running audacious
17:18<alaya>avu: basically. i have a mime type setup in konqueror that calls audacious -e %F to do the same thing
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17:19<alaya>avu: so when i select a bunch of files and choose "audacious_enqueue" it opens another instance
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17:19<avu>alaya, I can't find that bug in the BTS, can you link me to it?
17:19<alaya>avu: i will have to file it now
17:19<avu>alaya, ah
17:20<avu>alaya, make sure to test it outside of konqueror I guess, to make sure it's really an audacious problem
17:20<avu>alaya, I am trying hard to reproduce it here, but to no avail :(
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17:21<interbird>alaya: Building xmms from source; what plugin is offending?
17:22<alaya>avu: filed
17:22<alaya>avu: since they are trying to replicate xmms functionality, i filed it, because xmms behaves that way
17:23<avu>alaya, no they are not
17:23<avu>alaya, they made that *very* clear
17:23<alaya>interbird: at this point xmms itself barely runs. for example, on my 1920x1200 monitor if i try to double-size it it crashes
17:23<alaya>avu: oops
17:24<alaya>avu: well, at least they will know about the issue
17:24<avu>alaya, but still, audacious -e <file> should add $file to the playlist of an existing instance
17:24<alaya>avu: i just assumed it because its look/behavior as so similar, and it used plugins from it
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17:24<interbird>alaya: Did you try to run it on bare X? Like with xinit?
17:26<alaya>interbird: hmm, no
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17:26<interbird>alaya: Or under a "fresh" user? (Could be some shitty .xmms settings ...
17:26<alaya>avu: ok, manually enqueuing like that, after a *really* long delay, enqueues the file correctly, but the audacious window suddenly appeared on my other desktop
17:26<alaya>interbird: i did wipe out existing .xxms
17:27<avu>alaya, that might be a problem with your WM
17:27<alaya>avu: so another bug i've just found
17:27<alaya>avu: kde?
17:27<interbird>alaya: I'd create a "fresh user" and use Xnest to test xmms under that user
17:27<avu>alaya, here (metacity), audacious stays put on its desktop when I enqueue from another one
17:27<interbird>alaya: (before I wipe :-)
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17:28<interbird>alaya: xmms (apt-get source) compiled ok, btw
17:29<alaya>interbird: xmms has been dropped from debian, so i think its pointless to pursue it too much further
17:29<alaya>interbird: if the maintainers consider it not worth maintaining, then its pretty much a lost cause
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17:30<interbird>alaya: since when? did i not update that long ? did it get dropped for lenny ?
17:31<alaya>mplayer works but its playlist looks archaic
17:31<alaya>interbird: its on some mailing list
17:31<alaya>interbird: can't find it at the moment.
17:31<interbird>alaya: kee, will read that; shit !
17:32<alaya>interbird: yeah, that's why i'm bummed! they yanked the only decent player without there being an equivalent replacement
17:32<interbird>alaya: true
17:32<dpkg>from memory, xmms is the old X MultiMedia System media player. It has been removed from Debian (although it is still in etch), see For alternatives, look at xmms2, rhythmbox, amarok, exaile, songbird, quod libet ... see for removal reasons
17:32<alaya>interbird: my guess is that it will be 2-3 years before any of the others can get stable enough to be considered replacements, if at all
17:33<avu>alaya, don't be silly
17:33<alaya>interbird: not only that, i still have issues where i have to completely close iceweasel because amarok's xine engine fails to start if its open!
17:33<interbird>alaya: now i remember it might have been dropped for xmms2; but i could not get 2 2 work :-(
17:33<avu>I haven't used xmms in years
17:33<witte>For what it is worth, i use audacious (on sid) and it works quite ok
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17:34<avu>same here
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17:34<alaya>witte: am having issues with it not enqueueing under sid. bug 481838
17:35<avu>alaya, well, after you just said that it works when you do it from the command line, it will most likely be an error in your konqueror setup?
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17:35<alaya>avu: actually it didn't. when i went to close it i realized it had opened a second instance in the background
17:36<alaya>avu: the other thing is, it just took 20+ seconds to even start up
17:37<avu>alaya, have you tried moving your .config/audacious or a fresh account?
17:37<interbird>alaya: there are more problems with too many concurrently starting processes; some global sync seems to be missing... (sometimes i suspect core being firefox and still named so)
17:37<witte>alaya: I don't use that option, I just open it, an press play :-)
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17:38<alaya>avu: and when i did a manual CLI enqueue into it, it took 30+ seconds, the original instance was left playing unchanged, and opened a second instance with all the already queueud files plus the new one
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17:38<alaya>witte: i end up having playlists that are many gigabytes worth of files, and really need to be able to have queueing working properly
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17:39<alaya>i will update the bug to mention that it happens with CLI enqueue also...
17:39<witte>alaya: but you are running sid, you should expect that issues happen, or is the lenny version also affected?
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17:40<avu>witte, (FWIW, I am also running sid and said feature works fine for me, which is why I suggested moving the configuration and stuff)
17:40<avu>but since that is being ignored, I will go do other things now, bye :)
17:41<alaya>witte: don't know. just bummed out because i need a stable music player
17:41<alaya>avu: i386?
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17:41<alaya>avu: and under metacity. could be that something is making the difference
17:41<witte>alaya: mpd could be ok :-), I use that at work for the landscape office we have
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17:42<alaya>avu: 1.5.0-2 ?
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17:42<alaya>witte: cool. will test it out.
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17:43<witte>alaya: it is nice if you want a music player that is accessible through a webinterface, but probably it is not as fancy as you should want
17:44*witte thinks that emacs should have grammar check as well after reading his last sentence :(
17:44<interbird>it's the engine that matters; the interface can be any gui, also web-based
17:44<alaya>witte: as long as its not horrendously ugly, supports a lot of music formats, and enqueues well, i don't care
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17:47<alaya>looks like no CLI enqueue support for either though :-(
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18:00<angasule>boo, I found a bug and it has already been reported, though not fixed, I think :)
18:00<Laeborg>how to mount an linux partion?
18:01<witte>Laeborg: mount /dev/<device> /mount/point
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18:02<Laeborg>but i want to mount the devices the same way as the other hdd
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18:03<witte>Laeborg: I don't know what you mean
18:03<Laeborg>then i can just tyde media:/sdb1 in konqueror
18:03<Laeborg>(sorry for bad english)
18:04<Laeborg>or just click on the devices in system:/media/
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18:07<evilmanu>how can I save sequentially frames from avi?
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18:40<cockroach>hey, small question: what happened to apt? "back then" a dist-upgrade would just include the neccessary things, now it seems whatever could possibly be installed *is* installed (xorg upgrade wants to install all kinds of drivers and i have to manually prevent each of them from being installed). is there a way i can tell it *not* to do that?
18:41<cockroach>(on testing, btw)
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18:41<themill>cockroach: nothing has changed to dist-upgrade at all
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18:42<witte>cockroach: I think that recommended packages are now also installed with apt, but i am not sure
18:42<cockroach>themill: hrm, if i type 'apt-get install -t testing xserver-xorg-core' i get (roughly estimated) 30 ned packages installed
18:43<themill>witte: you are right for "install" but that doesn't change "dist-upgrade"
18:43<themill>cockroach: that's not a dist-upgrade though....
18:43<cockroach>themill: ah, sorry
18:43<cockroach>themill: maybe i didn't actually try a dist upgrade, that's true :)
18:43<cockroach>so s/dist-upgrade/install/
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18:43<cockroach>so is there an option somewhere to disable that?
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18:43<cockroach>i couldn't find anything
18:43<themill>cockroach: witte is right; apt will now automatically include recommended packages as you would usually want them.
18:43<coelho>hi, i installed debian, changed the source.list to unstable to make it sid, made apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade. It installed a lot of new packages but i still have kernel 2.6.24 , but i think during the dist-upgrade it was updated to 2.6.25
18:44<coelho>do i need to do something more ?
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18:44<themill>cockroach: The other thing is that with modular xorg, things are split into more packages.
18:44<cockroach>themill: i realize that, i'm already running a modular xorg, but now it wants to install stuff like xserver-xorg-video-s3virge which is rather pointless :)
18:45<witte>coelho: you need to reboot in order to have 2.6.25 running...
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18:45<coelho>witte : already did that :)
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18:45<coelho>grub doesn't shows other then 2.6.24
18:45<witte>cockroach: you can remove xserver-xorg-video-all (and the stuff associated with that)
18:45<themill>cockroach: if you are already running it, why are you trying to install it? and why -t testing? It sounds like you're trying to make a stable/testing mix which would be highly inadvisable.
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18:46<cockroach>witte: xserver-xorg-video-all is not installed
18:46<chealer>coelho: which Debian suite did you install?
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18:46<witte>coelho: see if the 2.6.25 kernel is installed (dpkg -l ...)
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18:47<cockroach>themill: because it whines about libxfont1 if i don't (i seem to still have the stable version of that one installed)
18:47<cockroach>themill: i'm running 'stable with some testing stuff', not pure testing
18:47<coelho>chealer didn't understand the question
18:47<home>how can i install more effects?
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18:48<themill>cockroach: don't..... you're in for making a lot of trouble for yourself by doing that.
18:48<coelho>witte : Ups :P i do have 2.6.24, damn, how do i upgrade it then ?
18:49<cockroach>themill: well, so far it worked pretty well :) (until now, that is). also, i don't see the problem in selectively upgrading...
18:49<witte>coelho: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.25... (search with apt-cache)
18:49<witte>coelho: but if you need to ask these things, you are running the wrong debian
18:50<home>how can i install more effects?
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18:50<witte>home: effects?
18:51<home>visual effects
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18:51<coelho>witte: well i just asumed if you made debian unstable it would upgrade to the last kernel in the repositories
18:51<witte>home: I really think you will have to give more information on what you are running, and what you want...
18:52<home>ubuntu 7.10
18:52<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:52<home>sorry witte
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18:53<witte>coelho: depends, if you have the correct package (linux-image-amd64 on my pc), it would
18:53<witte>coelho: but not everyone likes his kernels being updated without doing it himself
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18:54<cockroach>themill: turns out if i start my 'install' command with the video driver it behaves. thanks anyway!
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18:55<koe>i tried to install flash on my iceweasel, on my today installed machine
18:55<themill>cockroach: that's often the case; that satisfies the dependency explicitly so you don't end up with the -all package.
18:55<koe>and now it crashes when i click
18:55<koe>most pages
18:55<coelho>witte: thx for the help, installing new kernel now :), just one more question can you point me a good how to for fonts ?
18:55<koe>even google
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18:56<dpkg>i heard fonts is check for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or and or, or, or
18:56<witte>!fonts guide
18:56<witte>!font guide
18:56<dpkg>somebody said font guide was (temporarily) bob2's Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused: (previously at
18:56<coelho>thx :)
18:57<witte>coelho: the links seem a bit old at first site, take care before doing something
18:57<coelho>brb rebooting
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18:57<themill>dpkg: fonts is also Ask me about <install font>.
18:57<dpkg>themill: okay
18:58<koe>my boyfriend installed my machine with debian
18:58<koe>and now i want flash
18:58<dpkg>rumour has it, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
18:59<koe>yes i read that, but it says cannot find flashplugin-nonfree
18:59<azeem>koe: did you add non-free to sources.list?
18:59<witte>!tell koe about non-free
18:59<koe>where can i find a nonfree aptsource
19:00<azeem>dpkg: swfdec is another free flash implementation which can play youtube videos and integrates with GNOME
19:00<dpkg>azeem: okay
19:00<witte>koe: just add non-free after your deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list
19:00<themill>azeem: flashplugin-nonfree is no longer in etch
19:01<azeem>dpkg: no, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
19:01<dpkg>okay, azeem
19:01<azeem>themill: ah
19:01<koe>deb sid main contrib non-free
19:01<themill>!adobe flash
19:01<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see; use the one from (ask me about <non-free> and <bpo>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see
19:01<koe>it allready says so
19:02<abrotman>it's been removed from etch/lenny
19:02<abrotman>it is at etch-backports
19:02<witte>koe: aptitude update;aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
19:02<themill>witte: flashplugin-nonfree is no longer in etch
19:03<witte>themill: koe has sid sources ;-)
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19:03<koe>trouble is i think does not have nonfree
19:03<abrotman>does koe have amd64/i386 ?
19:03*koe has amd xp2100+
19:03<abrotman>was aptitude update run ?
19:04*koe had 256M ram
19:04<abrotman>just enough for flash!
19:04<witte>koe: it does
19:04<koe>i am running aptitude update now
19:06<koe>ok, it seems to be installing now
19:06<koe>thanx guys
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19:08<aloha-shin>hi everyone
19:08<aloha-shin>someone here knows how to disable the gdm ?
19:08<aloha-shin>im using putty.
19:08<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console
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19:09<witte>aloha-shin: if you just want to do it one time, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
19:10<aloha-shin>let say i want to disable foreever
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19:10<aloha-shin>which command should i execute?
19:10<witte>aloha-shin: ok, than have a look at the thing azeem asked dpkg
19:10<ravenbird>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager
19:10<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console
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19:11<aloha-shin>if follow this !nodm does this mean that even if i reboot it the gdm won't be avaiable?
19:11<witte>aloha-shin: yes
19:11<aloha-shin>just incase I need the gdm again how do i enable?
19:12<witte>aloha-shin: aptitude install gdm
19:12<aloha-shin>ok just reinstallation it again
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19:12<aloha-shin>im using debian lenny
19:13<Koston>would be much more simpler and elegant to simply remove the runlevel symlinks to the init script
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19:13<aloha-shin>gdm eats 26mb of ram
19:13<aloha-shin>that's why i want to disable since im only using putty
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19:14<aloha-shin>thanks witte.
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19:16<aloha-shin>I have problem adding the 2nd WAN IP. Because my host don't know how to add the IP. is there a guide how to add the 2nd WANIP to my dedi? what do i need to configure?
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19:17<Golfgeo>Hi all
19:18<aloha-shin>hi golfgeo
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19:18<Golfgeo>got a quick question: I have Acer grind-vision (screen devider) and am wondering if this can be done in KDE...
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19:18<dpkg>[kdm] the KDE Display Manager - an even swankier version of xdm, for the K Desktop user
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19:19<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console
19:19<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, gdm is the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console)
19:19<aloha-shin>even in irc command is working
19:20<themill>!tell aloha-shin about msg the bot
19:20<aloha-shin>themill im not a bot
19:20<aloha-shin>im a human
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19:20<azeem>aloha-shin: *you* should /msg the bot
19:20<azeem>and not invoke it in-channel, to not disturb others
19:20<aloha-shin>im reading
19:20<aloha-shin>that's why i want to see
19:20<Golfgeo>ah, well this is not what I am looking for: In XP I can devide the desktop into multiple planes to which I can lock applications...
19:21<azeem>aloha-shin: if you /msg it, you can read it just as well, for yourself
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19:21<Golfgeo>Nice and even planes like 1:1 1:2 or even 2:2
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19:21<Golfgeo>or just one plane that covers the entire screen
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19:23<aloha-shin>I have problem adding the 2nd WAN IP. Because my host don't know how to add the IP. is there a guide how to add the 2nd WANIP to my dedi? what do i need to configure?
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19:25<twb>aloha-shin: are both WAN interfaces configured with DHCP?
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19:25<Golfgeo>aloha-shin: nano /etc/network/interfaces
19:25<Golfgeo>aloha-shin: man interfaces
19:25<twb>aloha-shin: are they both connected to the same WAN (i.e. "trunking")?
19:25<Golfgeo>aloha-shin: do the second one first
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19:26<aloha-shin>do u know how to configure it goldgeo?
19:27<klh[dodo]>iface eth0 inet dhcp
19:27<klh[dodo]>iface eth1 inet dhcp
19:27<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route>
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19:27<Golfgeo>aloha-shin: You need to learn this yourself mate, there is planty of howto's on the internet, just google on debian and /etc/network/interfaces
19:27<aloha-shin>can we talk private ?
19:28<azeem>aloha-shin: keep it in the channel
19:28<twb>Oy vey.
19:28<Golfgeo>gtg people, have fun
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19:29<aloha-shin>nano /etc/network/interfaces
19:29<blackgoth>i should install some sort of cooling in my fileserver...
19:29<aloha-shin>I saw the configuration
19:30<aloha-shin>iface eth1 inet dhcp <what's this
19:30<twb>aloha-shin: I asked you two questions. Please answer them.
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19:30<aloha-shin>which one
19:31<aloha-shin>Im a begginer
19:31<aloha-shin>and i dont have that much knoledge that;s why im asking..
19:31<aloha-shin>all know is just basic comands
19:31<azeem>aloha-shin: if you're a beginner, why do you have two WAN interfaces?
19:31<twb>Perhaps aloha-shin is misusing the word "WAN"
19:31<aloha-shin>I told you i dont know
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19:32<blackgoth>i think his mainboard just has 2 lan interfaces
19:32<aloha-shin>even my host dont know how to add the 2nd IP
19:32<aloha-shin>because they only support windows
19:32<aloha-shin>and hesaid if you want linux there is no support from them
19:32<blackgoth>aloha-shin: your first nic is configured?
19:32<aloha-shin>what my host did just he know someone who can install debian lenny
19:32<blackgoth>as static
19:32<witte>aloha-shin: what do you want to do with those two wan interfaces?
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19:33<aloha-shin>I just want to have 2 wan IPs
19:33<witte>aloha-shin: why
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19:33<aloha-shin>my host gave me the 2nd IP but he doesnt know how to add it.
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19:33<witte>aloha-shin: you want one pc, with two IP's?
19:33<aloha-shin>the 2nd ip is just for the remote SQL
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19:34<blackgoth>aloha-shin: just do ifconfig eth0:1 ipaddress
19:34<aloha-shin>yea 1 dedi with 2 ips
19:34<twb>aloha-shin: you can make both IPs resolve to a single interface.
19:34<aloha-shin>how to do that twb?
19:34<twb>Generally you have to configure the upstream router.
19:35<aloha-shin>I only need this dedi just to run private ragnarok online server...
19:35<blackgoth>twb: you are making it way to hard for this kid
19:35<aloha-shin>nothing else
19:35<blackgoth>all he wants is 2 ip's to be resolvable
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19:36<debacle>Hi, i'd like run mrtg on my debian box ... can anyone tell me if i have to install snmpd first ?
19:36<blackgoth>aloha-shin: eth0 is setup correctly?
19:36<aloha-shin>what is the command?
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19:37<aloha-shin>how to view the eth0?
19:38<blackgoth>ifconfig eth0
19:38<klh[dodo]>as root ...
19:38<blackgoth>can you ping your server, can you reach it?
19:38<aloha-shin>not only ping but im now login as root
19:39<blackgoth>okay, in that case, just do this
19:39<blackgoth>ifconfig eth0:1 ipaddress
19:39<aloha-shin>debian:~# ifconfig eth0
19:39<aloha-shin>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:16:17:77:e1:04
19:39<aloha-shin> inet addr: Bcast: Mask:
19:39<aloha-shin> inet6 addr: fe80::216:17ff:fe77:e104/64 Scope:Link
19:39<aloha-shin> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
19:39-!-aloha-shin was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
19:39<blackgoth>where ipaddress is the second ip you got.
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19:40<aloha-shin>i was kick
19:40<blackgoth>no, really?
19:40<aloha-shin>I pasted the
19:40<aloha-shin>then the antibot kick me
19:40<witte>aloha-shin: don't past here
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19:40<aloha-shin>the antibot kick me
19:40<witte>!nice bot
19:41<aloha-shin>im not a bot
19:41<blackgoth>nevermind the bot. your second ip, is that
19:41<blackgoth>just do ifconfig eth0:1
19:42<aloha-shin>going to type that?
19:42<aloha-shin>ifconfig eth0:1
19:42<aloha-shin>al already enter
19:42<aloha-shin>nothing happen
19:42<blackgoth>as it should
19:42<aloha-shin>nothing happen
19:43<blackgoth>try to ping the address
19:43<blackgoth>from here, in the netherlands it's up
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19:43<blackgoth>to make this permanent, take a good look at the interfaces manpage and google.
19:44<aloha-shin>its working
19:44<aloha-shin>i can now login with that ip
19:44<blackgoth>i know it's working..
19:44<aloha-shin>what do u mean permanent???
19:44<blackgoth>but when you reboot, it wont work anymore, so if you want it to stay that way, have fun searching.
19:44<aloha-shin>does this mean when i reboot the server the ip will be gone?
19:45<blackgoth>i helped you with the first part, now it's up to you.
19:45<aloha-shin>ok thanks
19:46<twb>09:41 <blackgoth> just do ifconfig eth0:1
19:46<twb>blackgoth: does that set up vlan tagging?
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19:46<debacle>please, is there anyone using mrtg here ?
19:46<blackgoth>twb: he doesnt need vlan tagging.
19:46<aloha-shin>vlan tagging
19:47<Laeborg>any good problems to burn .vob, .img and .iso files?
19:47<blackgoth>!google vlan
19:47<twb>blackgoth: neat, I've never done quite this before.
19:47<twb>Obviously my understanding of IP is inadequate.
19:47<dpkg>it has been said that vlan is (virtual LAN) A VLAN is created when a bunch of physically connected ports are grouped together by network hardware that supports VLANs. These VLANs are each treated as completely separate entities and can only be joined together by a router. This scheme is useful for grouping departments together for security and minimizing network traffic.
19:48<blackgoth>it's only needed if your server is on multiple vlans, or is a vlan router
19:48<blackgoth>cq, a trunked connection
19:49<dpkg>it has been said that lan is (Local Area Network) A small isolated network at one office location. Most office computers are connected to a LAN, but may also be connected to the Internet, or a WAN.
19:49<dpkg>ifconfig is used to configure or view your machine's network interfaces. use the -a option to view all of them, or man ifconfig for more. see also <ifup>, <ifdown>, <man interfaces>, or <interfaces>
19:49<twb>Strictly speaking, I wouldn't call InterNet a WAN.
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19:49<blackgoth>!tell aloha-shin tell
19:50<aloha-shin>what is that? tell alohashin tell?
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19:50<blackgoth>just check your pm from dpkg
19:50<aloha-shin>no pm
19:51<blackgoth>stupid bot ><
19:51<witte>!tell aloha-shin about selftell
19:51<blackgoth>thanks witte
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19:51<blackgoth>back to the search of the lost usb stick
19:52<aloha-shin>i see
19:52<witte>blackgoth: but "!tell aloha-shin about msg the bot" would have been more appropriate probably
19:53<blackgoth>heh, I still need to get used to all the options in the bots
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19:54<blackgoth>blah, it's 01:54:31 and im installing a windows server
19:54<blackgoth>my life sucks sometimes
19:55<azeem>if it's 1:54PM, it's not so bad
19:55<aloha-shin>7:56am here =D
19:56<blackgoth>you probably already had sleep and are younger.
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19:58<Hideo>damn the newest google earth still breaks in linux :(
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20:01<codecaine>im trying to suppress my taps with qsynaptics for my laptop touch pad but it says the driver not install how can I get it to reconize the driver?
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20:06<blackgoth>meh, i should buy some fans for my servar
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20:12<d>hi there
20:12<d>I want help with a tv tuner
20:12<d>I cannot find a driver for it :( and people say its not supported but maybe someone knows
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20:13<blackgoth>oh yes, i have a driver for that one! right here.
20:14<d>sorry, its an HP Express Card Tv Tuner
20:14<blackgoth>got some lspci -v output?
20:14<blackgoth>preferrable on a textdump
20:15<d>I cannot see my card in lspci :(
20:15<d>its an express card/54 slot
20:16<blackgoth>it's a rebranded Hauppauge HVR-1500,
20:17<blackgoth>so, it isnt supported at this moment, but it will be, soonish
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20:21<blackgoth>did that help you in any way d?
20:23<d>black:thanks, how do you know its a hauppauge
20:23<blackgoth>i used google
20:24<d>do you think that it would work if I compile itvt ?
20:24<d>ivtv sorry
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20:25<blackgoth>probably not, there are no drivers yet
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20:26<primeight>greetings and salutations
20:26<d>oh, i see :( sniff, hehe
20:26<d>thanks anyway
20:27<primeight>anyone here tried EVE online's linux port?
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20:30<Nemoder>primeight: their "port" consists of shipping it with wine
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20:33<tark>hi all i just got xmms from deb package and would like to install it in lenny. unfortunately i get dependency problems even though xmms works fine, i'm stuck with broken dependency problems afterwards. i was wondering if there is any way to force the install. could anyone give me a clue ?
20:34<themill>tark: yes, use a different player
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20:34<dpkg>i guess xmms is the old X MultiMedia System media player. It has been removed from Debian (although it is still in etch), see For alternatives, look at xmms2, rhythmbox, amarok, exaile, songbird, quod libet ... see for removal reasons
20:34<primeight>Im confused, if XMMS works fine...why install it from a different repo?
20:35<dpkg>eve is, like, short for E V I L
20:35<d>prime: try audacious
20:35<tark>because of broken dependencies it generates i can't use dpkg for anything else after that
20:36<tark>i did try audacious
20:36<tark>it's hell slow and my graphics card doesn't like it apparently
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20:37<tark>q is is there a way to force a .deb install ?
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20:40<tark>themill which player would you suggest ?
20:40*Nemoder is happy with audacious
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20:41<themill>tark: I use amarok, but if you're an xmms fan, it might not be to your taste
20:42<tark>looking for something light in deed
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20:49<tark>Nemoder is there any way to use xmms skins with audacious ?
20:50<tark>i think i did that once before can't recall how
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20:53<diego>Hi, can i get some help with wifi ?
20:53<blackgoth>mmm no.
20:53<diego>blackgoth: ok :P
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20:55<diego>my wifi works when I connect using network-manager-gnome, but I want it to work without it (so I dont need X)
20:55<jignaciol>anyone speak spanish ?
20:55<diego>yes, I speak spanish
20:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:56<blackgoth>diego: try iwconfig
20:56<jignaciol>tengo problemas configurando mi wireless
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20:56<blackgoth>jignaciol: #debian-es
20:56<jignaciol>es un intel
20:56<diego>jignaciol: que placa wifi tenes ?
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20:56<diego>4965 ?
20:56<noflash>jignaciol, /join #debian-es
20:56<jignaciol>se cual es el paquete
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20:56<azeem>diego, jignaciol: this is an english chan
20:56<jignaciol>pero no logro hacerlo funcionar
20:56<diego>aptitude install iwlwifi
20:56<noflash>I guess it doesn't read
20:56<jignaciol>sorry diego
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20:57<blackgoth>oh crap, now we're fucked :+
20:57<Laeborg>when i try to go into 'Configure VPN' and then 'Add' I get this error: 'No right VPN program found on our system' (Or something like that, have translated it from danish to english)
20:57<jignaciol>please give me an spanish channel
20:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:57<jignaciol>el paquete es ipw3945
20:57<jignaciol>pero no logro hacerlo funcionar
20:57<diego>jignaciol: it should be on the kernel
20:57<diego>what kernel do you have?
20:57<diego>uname -r ?
20:57<diego>2.6+ ?
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20:58<blackgoth>heh, if he doesnt have 2.6.x he is still using woody
20:58<blackgoth>that would be pritty messed up
20:58<diego>jignacio: its old ...
20:58<diego>try 2.6.24
20:58<azeem>diego: it's the stable kernel
20:59<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>. See also <ipw3945-fu>
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21:00<jignaciol>should i use lenny ?
21:00<jignaciol>got it... i going to try that
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21:00<diego>jignaciol: no problem :) suerte :)
21:01<diego>I need to put an static ip address in wlan0
21:01<diego>but network-manager-gnome cannot do it
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21:03<blackgoth>diego: just let it connect, then ifconfig wlan0 ipaddress and add a route
21:04<diego>network-manager-gnome tries to connect but it cant if I dont have dhcp in the router
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21:05<diego>is there anyway to make debian use the wifi without this network-manager hehe
21:05<blackgoth>iwconfig it then
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21:07<diego>I created a file wpa_supplicant.conf with the passphrases
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21:11<andre>hi can anybody help me enconde a list of files with lame? like lame <list of files> ....
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21:19<imau>trying to install nvidia drivers but m-a part tells me that kerner has xen virtualization software installed (kernel 2.6.25) do i need to compile a kernel or is there a workaround ?
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21:21<qq>imau: pick a kernel without xen than
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21:21<imau>that's the problem i think all 2.6.25 have it by default
21:22<qq>a 24 too?
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21:24<imau>haven't checked a 24 cause my wireless doesn't works on it
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21:24<Generic>is it possible to install ntfs-3g in woody?
21:24<witte>Generic: possible i don't know, but i think it wont be easy :-)
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21:25<witte>Generic: why do you still use woody if i may ask?
21:25<Generic>It's what I have running on my winterm
21:25<Generic>and rebuilding sarge for the winterm is a pain in the butt
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21:26<witte>Generic: sarge is also old :P
21:26<Generic>heh, it's what I use for debootstrap
21:27<Generic>I'm working on expanding the uses of the winterm, and currently toying with a hotswap external ntfs drive
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21:27<qq>Generic: you may use sid also for debootstrap
21:28<Generic>I kinda forgot about that
21:28<imau>I will try with the 2.6.24 kernel then , just one question, to apply the modules to the kernel 2.6.24 i just need to have the symbolic link /usr/src/linux point to the right kernel ? right ?
21:28<Generic>I've been reading up on debootstrap, haven't used it in awhile
21:28<Generic>how difficult would upgrading woody be?
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21:28<qq>imau: yes
21:29<Generic>last time I changed the repos in sources.list, the system exploded in a fiery kernel panic
21:29<imau>qq : thx for the help :)
21:29<witte>mmm, no dpkg help on this one
21:29<witte>Generic: if you have internet connection, changing sources, and apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
21:29<Generic>witte, hmm
21:30<Generic>I guess I'll try that
21:30<witte> Generic: that should work in principle
21:30<Generic>I've got a copy of the install in a tar somewhere
21:30<Generic>witte, exactly :P
21:30<witte>Generic: but I would first go to oldstable (sarge) before going to stable (etch)
21:30<Generic>I'll give it a shot
21:30<witte>Generic: probably you still have a 2.2 kernel?
21:30<jn>How can I supply --force-yes to the debian installer?
21:31<abrotman>jn: you sohldn't have to
21:31<witte>Generic: well, you will end up with 2.6.18 or so
21:31<Generic>eh, worth a shot
21:32<Generic>might lose the modules loaded in the kernel though
21:32<jn>I get the ... cannot be authenticated' when installing initramfs-tools
21:32<Generic>but it's all on a flashdrive, so worst case I just plug it in and fix via chroot
21:32<Generic>!repositories > me
21:33<witte>!tell Generic about repositories
21:33<witte>or did that work?
21:33<Generic>I haven't touched the sources in awhile, so I don't remember what the new ones are
21:33<Generic>using debian-archive
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21:36<qq>jn: apt-get install debian-keyrings
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21:39<jn>qq: there is only apt-install available, but no debian-keyrings
21:40<abrotman>ignore the warning for now
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21:42<jn>the base system install aborts when I get that warning
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21:43<qq>jn: what you want to install?
21:43<qq>which system ?
21:44<qq>and on which arch ? pc
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21:44<blackgoth>well, no sleep for me tonight
21:45<qq>jn: is the last iso from etch
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21:45<jn>it is the current on my mirror
21:46<cwood>How do I catch a log of something useful when an application (eg Audacious) segfaults at unpredictable intervals?
21:47<blackgoth>good question
21:47<blackgoth>no idea.
21:47<jn>i use the mini.iso from netboot
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21:47<witte>cwood: start it from the terminal, maybe some messages are spawned there...
21:48<cwood>Hm, Good point.
21:48<qq>jn: look here for a image
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21:49<witte>cwood: you could also strace it, but that could lead to a really big log file
21:49<cwood>I have the gb, but I'm not sure I want to wait for the day or several of music before it crashes again. :p
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22:03<diego>Hi, I just configured my wireless in /etc/network/interfaces and now some programs cannot connect to internet, I was using network-manager-gnome, can it be doing something wrong now
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22:07<witte>diego: some programs can and some cant?
22:07<diego>witte: i know what is happening
22:07<diego>network-manager-gnome thinks its not connected now
22:08<diego>and firefox always starts in offline mode
22:08<diego>because of it
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22:09<diego>if I kill networkmanager it starts working
22:09<witte>diego: strange
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22:12<yury>linux should automatically detect if a route stops working, right? so if I do route add default gw; route add default gw metric 1, it should fallback to when stops working. Am I missing some detail here?
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22:17<qq>yury: network update take some time
22:17<yury>I waited 1 min
22:17<yury>too short?
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22:18<yury>and send about 60 pings out
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22:21<Generic>oh great, I broke bash
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22:21<Generic>I've got this error when running apt: chmod: invalid mode: --reference=/etc/shells
22:22<nevyn>it's trying to set the permissions on a file based on the permissions of a directory is my guess
22:23<qq>Generic: have to post it on bash forum
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22:23<Desperado>well...I'm a newbie on Debian...and I'm now wondering what's gonna do next...I've installed emacs23 and didn't configure it and vim..and didn't configured it and don't know how to use them...
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22:24<qq>Desperado: google for that
22:24<witte>Desperado: emacs23 is not in debian as far as i know
22:25<abrotman>certainly not in etch
22:25<Desperado>I make it myself....of course...under the instruction googled from internet
22:25<qq>even in sid ...
22:26<Generic>well, that didn't work too well
22:26<Generic>time to rebuild the winterm os!
22:26<witte>Desperado: why are you building yourself if you are using debian? and if you start using it, just use the basic version that comes with the system. if you want to learn it, google for emacs or vim tutorial
22:27<witte>Generic: what problems do you have
22:27<Generic>witte, I attempted an upgrade from woody to sarge on a slimmed down install
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22:27<Generic>I've got 3 packages that won't upgrade
22:27<Desperado>...cuz I have to use the unicode advantage of emacs23
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22:28<Desperado>I have to support chinese in emacs
22:28<yury>it is not happening, no default route fallback
22:29<yury>waited a while, sent a lot of pings through both interfaces, one works, but doesn't become default
22:29<witte>Generic: which 3?
22:29<Generic>witte, bash, procps, ppp
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22:34<jn>qq: thx, got past that part now
22:35<qq>jn: np
22:35<witte>Desperado: ok, so you say you need it, and you have built it, just run the binairy (/usr/bin/emacs23? or /usr/local/bin/emacs23 or somewhere in home)
22:35<yury>qq: any other ideas?
22:35<yury>how long should this network update take?
22:35<witte>Generic: can't you install them manually?
22:35<witte>Generic: just apt-get install bash
22:36<Generic>witte, I did, get the same error
22:36<witte>Generic: can you post the error to a pastebin?
22:36<qq>chmod: invalid mode: --reference=/etc/shells
22:36<Generic>what qq said
22:37<Generic>and I mentioned the link up a ways
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22:38<Desperado>witte: I can run emacs23 on my machine...just can't configure it right....
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22:38<yury>alright, found my answer
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22:38<Desperado>witte: well...I'd google it first...
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22:39<Desperado>witte:but my question is that I dont know what to do next....
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22:41<Desperado>and also I'm desperate to make a beautiful interface.....I mean beautiful desktop....X Window.....If I want those beautiful things i have to write it myself
22:42<witte>Generic: you could have a look in the bash...postinst file (located in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
22:43<witte>Desperado: providing your configuration and answering the question what you need to do are not up to us I guess... it is all depending on you and what you want
22:43<witte>Generic: you could locate the line which generates the error message, and try to circumvent that
22:43<Desperado>witte:sorry for that...
22:44<Desperado>witte:I'm not coming here for an answer either...
22:44<qq>Desperado: is your package than take care yourself on that
22:44<Desperado>witte: just kind of confused...
22:45<Desperado>witte:don't know what to do next
22:49<Generic>yep, something is seriously broken, I can't uninstall bash :P
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22:54<qq>Generic: tried to put a newest bash file ?
22:55<Generic>qq, yep
22:55<qq>and ?
22:55<Generic>no dice
22:55<qq>install dice
22:56<Generic>I'm building an etch system to replace it
22:56<Generic>so, no real biggie
22:56<qq>this term has a harddisk ?
22:57<qq>sorry dunno what is win term
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22:58<Generic>winterm is a really light-weight machine that runs windows ce
22:59<Generic>I found a wintermlinux project, and loaded a modified firmware that boots linux off a flashdrive
22:59<qq>whitch proc/ram/hard has
23:00<qq>so only has a ram ? whitch proc ?
23:00<Generic>233Mhz Geode, 32MB ram, and 16MB flash memory
23:00<Generic>I have a 2GB flash drive plugged into the back that the os runs off of
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23:02<qq>so why don't install a more recent dist on the flash ?
23:02<Hideo>Debian, please don't ever obsolete ifupdown for some automatic GUI tools
23:03<nevyn>networkmanager is awesome! :0
23:03<Hideo>well from what apt-cache says, it's a daemon
23:03<qq>Generic: means not upgrading the old one
23:03<Hideo>no thanks
23:04<Generic>qq, main reason was because the kernel patch for the winterm is 2.4.31
23:04<mysupper>I'm sure ifdown will not be obsolete till debian is operating as server os.
23:04<Generic>plus I'm using an existing image and was trying to customize it
23:05<Hideo>mysupper: I hope not, I really love it over every other GUI network config tool
23:05<Generic>didn't work too well :p
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23:06<qq>Generic: well , the main issue on that winterm is his poor memory ...
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23:07<Generic>qq, pretty much. all it would do is run samba and rtorrent, which aren'
23:07<Generic>aren't very resource hungry with one user
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23:09<qq>i means for the newest systems not for users
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23:10<Generic>yeah, debian doesn't require much in resources when configured properly
23:10<qq>the newest need at least 64 MB
23:11<Hideo>heh I had a Debian server with ~100mb once
23:11<qq>me too
23:11<Hideo>no swap
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23:11<Hideo>it ran just fine with lighttpd and ssh
23:11<Generic>Yeah, I'm going to be stripping it down and removes services
23:12<Generic>I'm also going to run 2.4 instead
23:12<nevyn>does anyone know what generates /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key
23:12<nevyn>or how to re-generate it?
23:12<Hideo>type man make-ssl-cert
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23:14<qq>Hideo: Generic's machine run all in ram
23:14<qq>or so
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23:15<nevyn>Hideo: does the updated ssl package regenerate the snakeoil cert automatically?
23:15<Hideo>qq: sweet
23:15<Hideo>nevyn: I don't know
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23:20<qq>nevyn: when updated ssl , you are asked if you want to trust old , or add a new on to the ring
23:20<nevyn>qq: ta
23:20<Hideo>it's not that hard to "make-ssl-cert generate-default-snakeoil --force-overwrite" anyway
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23:21<nevyn>Hideo: sure and I did for justin
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23:23<Hideo>yeah better safe than sorry
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23:32<aloha-shin>hello all
23:32<Hideo>hi there
23:34<twb>How can I disable the "Switch User" feature in GNOME?
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23:34<qq>twb: why ?
23:35<twb>qq: I've been handed a security requirement that users not be able to start a second X session.
23:35<aloha-shin>where is NinjaMan
23:36<Hideo>twb: I don't know if the options in gdmsetup are what you're looking for or not
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23:38<Hideo>there's a thing that says "disable multiple logins for a single user"
23:38*Hideo shrugs
23:39<Hideo><-- not a gnome user so I don't know if that is equivalent or not
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23:43<twb>Hideo: I'm not sure GDM is responsible for starting the secondary X servers.
23:44<Hideo>you're right, but GDM should prevent them from login in to that second session, shouldn't it?
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23:46<Generic>um, crap
23:46<Generic>fairly stupid question. When compiling a new kernel, how does one specify the arch?
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23:46<ntbnnt>its in the config
23:46<ntbnnt>you can create a custom string as well
23:47<twb>Hideo: it's not necessarily the same login on the second X session
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23:48<Generic>ntbnnt, that's the tricky part, it's presenting only 64-bit options
23:49<Generic>I'm running a 64-bit kernel, but I'm doing a chroot setup of a system
23:49<Generic>and that system is 32-bit
23:49<ntbnnt>Generic, thats strange, in that case I have no clue :/
23:50<twb>Generic: perhaps you need make CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -m32" config
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23:50<twb>You will also obviously need a biarch arch (e.g. AMD64, but not IA64) and the i386 build stuff installed
23:51<Generic>I hate doing chroot
23:52<Generic>it's convinced all the tools are amd64 when it's all i386
23:52<twb>Tell me about it
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23:52<Generic>I'll do this on my laptop
23:52<interbird>twb: to get rid of the "switch user", or to create a new user with a gnome-desktop of your preferred config, you could adjust /etc/skel
23:52<twb>Trying to install sun-java6 in a chroot fails because it checks /proc/self/exe to find out where it lives, and that symlink isn't chrooted
23:52<twb>interbird: how, specifically?
23:53<Generic>it'll take way longer to compile though, it's a 1.2Ghz celeron, and I'm running a 2.6Ghz athlonX2
23:53<twb>Generic: you could reboot the workstation in i386 mode, e.g. with a live cd
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23:54<interbird>twb: create a "template" user, customize the desktop, trash all shit, chown it root:root and use that in place of the default /etc/skel; not pretty but functional. You'll have to do some filtering...
23:55<twb>interbird: the fast-user-switch popup is created by an acpid event, not by any widget on the desktop
23:55<twb>Furthermore, if a user manages to get access to a shell, they can launch the popup by hand.
23:56<Generic>twb, true
23:56<Generic>oh wait, just remembered i've got a second machine that i could use
23:56<Hideo>twb: so you don't want more than 1 X session running at anytime
23:56<twb>Thus, the solution cannot be to remove icons on their desktop; instead I must either remove the binary itself (undesirable, since it is also responsible for allowing the user to shut down/reboot/log out), or to configure it.
23:56<Generic>it's a bit better, 2.2Ghz athlon64, it's running i386
23:57<twb>Hideo: yes. Xnest/Xephyr is allowed, but not necessary.
23:57<interbird>twb: it's a panel applet; if you remove it in the template and create a user from that it will not be there; you might even be able to accomplish this by using gconf.
23:57<Hideo>I've been googling that and can't find it sadly
23:57<twb>interbird: I remain unconvinced that your solution is acceptable; please hold while I confirm this experimentally.
23:58<interbird>twb: ok, step 1 create a template user: template
23:58<twb>Confirmed, removing the applet from the desktop does not help.
23:58<interbird>twb: step 2 login with this user and cistomize the gnome desktop
23:59<interbird>twb: step3 mv /etc/skel /etc/skel.saved
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23:59<twb>interbird: plonk. You are not listening; I just tested your proposed solution and it DOES NOT WORK.
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