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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-05-19

---Logopened Mon May 19 00:00:35 2008
00:00<interbird>twb: i am listening, twb; did you create a custom user and replaced /etc/skel with that?
00:02<interbird>twb: with /etc/skel you can create any user-config you want; only problem is that it is global; but to create a script to create a user with a special skel is peanuts.
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00:04<twb>I'm pretty sure the popup is spawned by gnome-power-daemon, but I can't use xprop to find out the controlling process because the popup acquires a complete keyboard and pointer grab.
00:05<twb>Dumping the process table before and after shows no differences, so it's not spawning a new process; this means it could be e.g. g-p-d dbussing to gdm.
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00:06<interbird>twb: you want to create users desktop without "switch-user" as an administrator ?
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00:06<sun>hi anyone know how to get id-tags out of a quicktime .mov file?
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00:08<co_LibUrAn_j>ho
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00:09<twb>libextract probably can do it, but of course the impatient do not get answers.
00:10<interbird>sometimes the impatient might answer :-)
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00:14<damn>sepi
00:14<interbird>Anyone familiair with tomcat and mod_jk ?
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00:15<twb>I worked out how to disable "user switching" -- in /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory, create a working gconf XML tree and set /gnome/desktop/lockdown/disable_user_switching to true
00:16<interbird>gconf?
00:16<Hideo>does that prevent them from startx?
00:16<twb>Hideo: startx is already disabled by telling init not to launch gettys
00:17<twb>Hideo: by default Xorg does not allow itself to be started by non-root users in ptys
00:17<Hideo>ah okie
00:17<twb>The issue was specifically that the gnome "user switch" functionality circumvents this because gdm (or whatever) is a root-owned process and is thus allowed to start new Xorgs
00:17<interbird>you might even be able to accomplish this by using gconf.
00:18<interbird>the xml's are overridden on gnome-exit
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01:29*Supaplex wonders if there exists an esata host-to-host cable for networking . . .
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01:38<twb>Does logcheck use lockfiles to avoid running itself twice concurrently (when the first process takes over an hour to finish)?
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01:42<alaya>how do i convert .49042 into minutes/seconds? isn't decimal angle the same as radians?
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01:43<twb>alaya: apt-get install units?
01:44<alaya>twb: have it, but what is the unit of .49042 and what i want?
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01:44<twb>alaya: I don't know.
01:44<twb>Radians seems like a good guess.
01:44<twb>But you should work out an approximation in your head so you know if the answer the computer gives you is insane.
01:45<alaya>ah, i can cheat: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/bickel/DDDMMSS-decimal.html
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01:47<brmuljo>Top fundraisers for Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama have begun private talks aimed at merging the two candidates' teams, not waiting for the Democratic nominating process to end before they start preparations for a hard-fought fall campaign.
01:47<brmuljo>Despite Obama's apparently insurmountable lead in delegates needed to claim the nomination, aides to both candidates are resigned to the idea that the Democratic contest will continue at least through June 3, when Montana and South Dakota will cast the final votes of the primary season.
01:47<brmuljo>But in small gatherings around Washington and in planning sessions for party unity events in New York and Boston in coming weeks, fundraisers and surrogates from both camps are discussing how they can put aside the vitriol of the past 18 months and move forward to ensure that the eventual nominee has the resources to defeat Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in November.
01:47<brmuljo>Mark Aronchick, a Philadelphia lawyer who has raised more than $1 million for Clinton's bid, said that while her supporters have not given up on their candidate, they recognize the need to start preparing for the general election.
01:47<brmuljo>"Only if we do this right, and see this through in the right way, will there be a chance for a full, rapid and largely complete unification of the party," Aronchick said.
01:47<brmuljo>Aronchick was one of about 35 Clinton and Obama insiders who attended a dinner last week in Washington aimed at what he characterized as helping the two sides "grope towards unity."
01:47<Hideo>wtf
01:48<antu>wtf
01:48<blackgoth>wtf
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01:48<brmuljo>furniture or location primarily used as a place to sleep, though it is also regularly used to serve other functions as well, such as providing the primary place for sexual intercourse, and is often used for simple relaxation.
01:48<brmuljo>To make beds more comfortable, the top layer is frequently a mattress. Originally these were bags of straw for most people and filled with feathers for the wealthy.[citation needed] Eventually new fillings such as cotton and artificial fillers became common. In modern times most mattresses use springs, solid foam, latex, water, or air. As time passes more and more people are looking for a...
01:48<brmuljo>...better sleep, spending a large percentage of our life in a bed it has become a more recent realisation for many to attribute health deteriorations to what they lay on. Water resiliant fibres (natural and synthetic), latex, synthetic foams and a combination of a huge range of different spring technologies all have their different benefits.
01:48<brmuljo>The second layer is the box spring Inner-sprung Base. The box spring or "divan" is a large mattress-sized box containing wood and springs that provide additional support and suspension for the mattress. Adding this feature to the mattress it has been calculated that it improves the overall life of the unit by 68%.
01:48<brmuljo>The third layer is the bed frame. The bed frame lifts the mattress/mattress-box spring off the ground.
01:48<brmuljo>A dust ruffle, bed skirt, or valance sheet may be used to make the bed frame match the rest of the bedding.
01:48<Hideo>dude, stop it
01:48<brmuljo>For greater head support, most people use a pillow, placed at the top of a mattress. Also used is some form of covering blanket to provide warmth to the sleeper, often bed sheets, a quilt, or a duvet.
01:49<nevyn>hrm
01:49<brmuljo>Also, some people prefer to dispense with the box spring and bed frame, and replace it with a platform bed style. This is more common in the European region.
01:49<jm_>!ops brmuljo needs shutting up
01:49<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jm_ complains about: brmuljo needs shutting up
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01:50<twb>Is there a way to stop logcheck getting its ass DOSsed off by "yes ATTACK | logger" ?
01:50<brmuljo>furniture or location primarily used as a place to sleep, though it is also regularly used to serve other functions as well, such as providing the primary place for sexual intercourse, and is often used for simple relaxation.
01:50<brmuljo>To make beds more comfortable, the top layer is frequently a mattress. Originally these were bags of straw for most people and filled with feathers for the wealthy.[citation needed] Eventually new fillings such as cotton and artificial fillers became common. In modern times most mattresses use springs, solid foam, latex, water, or air. As time passes more and more people are looking for a...
01:50<brmuljo>...better sleep, spending a large percentage of our life in a bed it has become a more recent realisation for many to attribute health deteriorations to what they lay on. Water resiliant fibres (natural and synthetic), latex, synthetic foams and a combination of a huge range of different spring technologies all have their different benefits.
01:50<brmuljo>The second layer is the box spring Inner-sprung Base. The box spring or "divan" is a large mattress-sized box containing wood and springs that provide additional support and suspension for the mattress. Adding this feature to the mattress it has been calculated that it improves the overall life of the unit by 68%.
01:50<brmuljo>The third layer is the bed frame. The bed frame lifts the mattress/mattress-box spring off the ground.
01:51<brmuljo>A dust ruffle, bed skirt, or valance sheet may be used to make the bed frame match the rest of the bedding.
01:51<brmuljo>For greater head support, most people use a pillow, placed at the top of a mattress. Also used is some form of covering blanket to provide warmth to the sleeper, often bed sheets, a quilt, or a duvet.
01:51<brmuljo>Also, some people prefer to dispense with the box spring and bed frame, and replace it with a platform bed style. This is more common in the European region.
01:51-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@12-214-39-185.client.mchsi.com] by LoRez
01:51<Hideo>LoRez!!
01:51<alaya>twb: thanks. btw, you may find this interesting: http://heavens-above.com if you've never seen a -2 magnitude ISS overpass, they are pretty cool
01:51<twb>Well, it seems that it at least uses a lockfile to abort if its already running, so I remembered correctly.
01:51<Hideo>thx
01:51<twb>alaya: hmm?
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01:52<alaya>with the new solar arrays, its actually brigther than -2 i think
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01:56<twb>alaya: I've no idea what you're talking about.
01:56<alaya>sorry
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02:35<mrsvin>hello
02:35<ungido>hello
02:36<mrsvin>ungido: i trying to install a package but get a error, openssl-devel not installed, where can i get it, i have searching everywhere
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02:37<blackgoth>libssl-dev
02:40<mrsvin>where can i download it
02:40<Hideo>apt-get ?
02:41<mrsvin>dosnt work
02:41<twb>mrsvin: you did `apt-get install libssl-dev' ? What was the error?
02:41<mrsvin>wait..
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02:41<mrsvin>eading package lists... Done
02:41<mrsvin>Building dependency tree... Done
02:41<mrsvin>libssl-dev is already the newest version.
02:41<mrsvin>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
02:41<mrsvin>1 not fully installed or removed.
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02:42<mrsvin_>hello again
02:42<Hideo>lo
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02:44<Hideo>!tell mrsvin_ about paste
02:44<libereco>hello mrsvin_: i'm sorry... Read the manual
02:44<mrsvin_>manual of what
02:45<mrsvin_>hwo can i remove a deb package with apt-get ?
02:45<libereco>apt, debian reference
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02:45<libereco>man apt
02:45<mrsvin_>i want ot remove "lrpfax"
02:45<mrsvin_>"lprfax"
02:46<libereco>ok... "man apt-get"
02:46<mrsvin_>ok
02:47<libereco>the line is 59...
02:47<mrsvin_>ok
02:47<mrsvin_>i got it
02:47<mrsvin_>thank you
02:48<libereco>your wellcome =)
02:48<libereco>but, the next time, use the manual, =)
02:48<mrsvin_>ok
02:48<libereco>nice to meet you =)
02:48<mrsvin_>libereco: i have 1 quastion more
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02:49<libereco>don't say "i have a question" just ask =)
02:49<mrsvin_>this:
02:49<mrsvin_>Checking for SAP/R3 (librfc/saprfc.h) ...
02:49-!-ungido [~ungido@200.88.176.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:49<mrsvin_> ... NOT found, module sapr3 disabled
02:49<mrsvin_>what module do i need ?
02:49<mrsvin_>i cant fint it too
02:50<drthodt_>crazy
02:50<mrsvin_>hmm
02:50<Hideo>what are you building, mrsvin_
02:51<mrsvin_>its a secret, hehe
02:51<mrsvin_>:)
02:51<libereco>mrsvin_, i don't know... sorry
02:51<mrsvin_>ok
02:51<libereco>try google
02:51<Hideo>mrsvin_: aren't Europeans prohibited from using that "secret"?
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02:51<libereco>look for the module
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02:52<mrsvin_>i tryed
02:52<mrsvin_>ok thx
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02:55<jm_>!tell mrsvin_ -about search
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02:57<drthodt_>irssi has odd multi server support
02:58<Koston>how come?
02:58<Koston>just type /server +another.irc.server
02:58<drthodt_>because i only see one status window for 2 servers
02:58<Koston>like in any ircII-based client
02:58<Koston>I suppose if you read the manual you'd know how to fix that
02:59<Hideo>ctrl + X
02:59<drthodt_>well arent you high and mighty
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03:06<mrsvin_>i have .rar file, what package do i need to install for running the file ?
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03:09<jm_>drthodt_: yeah it's rather weird in that regard
03:10<morgan`>hello
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03:41<php>helllo
03:41<rrm>hi
03:41<php>any i need helo with developer cluster in debian
03:42-!-mode/#debian [+l 364] by debhelper
03:42<php>and i have see code of ssl is secure afters update and delete keys old is secure my friend have others bug
03:42<Koston>try coherent please be talking when channel yes
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03:42<Hideo>lol
03:42<php>i am argentine at uba university
03:42<sheldonh>aloha. ltns. anyone know why there's no hatools package in the archive?
03:43<php>computers science
03:43<Koston>ah.. students. explains.
03:44<php>my frien is who read the code and see bug
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03:44<php>i need chose debian , centos , or freebsd to cluster at 500 dell quad core
03:45<Koston>I'd go with freebsd hands-down, given it has support for the things you need
03:45<Koston>centos is a waste of time
03:46<php>i need developer this cluster
03:46<jm_>!es
03:46<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
03:47<fanto666>hello, I have debian-i386 installed, amd64 kernel booted and I need to build kernel modules for nvidia and ipw3945... is there anything special I need to do? calling module-assistant results in complaints about e.g. linker problems
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03:47<php>i have sys admin at debian servers at data center but i need chose and debian is secure after this big bug?
03:48<Koston>php, get a fucking clue already.. sheesh.
03:48<sheldonh>Koston, that's not necessary
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03:49<php>i have see all code with my friend hi have the bug but i thinks i have others
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03:50<syeIlla>woooooooooooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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03:50<php>what is numbers of server hack with this bug in spain 2100000 hosting
03:50<fanto666>I mean the modules for amd64 kernel... I've backported nvidia to etch, the i386 module works but amd64 can't be build
03:51<jm_>fanto666: why not?
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03:52<php>someone have the skills to developer an cluster at 500 cpu?
03:53<fanto666> ld: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf32-i386 (/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/nv-kernel.o) to format elf64-x86-64 (/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/nvidia.o) is not supported
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03:54<Koston>php, amount of hacked servers due to the openssl bug is in no way limited to debian systems, and is almost directly comparable to the quality level of administration on the server
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03:55<sep>Koston, i think that's a global truth and can be used for any $bug :)
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03:55<php>yes but many hackers have xploit tha in 1 hour have root acces to 100 servers
03:55<Koston>i'd like to see such hackers xploit my servers.
03:55<fanto666>jm_: the above is the error I get... do I have to sed CFLAGS to -march=athlon64 or -march=nocona ?
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03:55<fanto666>set
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03:56<sep>php, debian have many nice tools for dealing with such things. i like fai myself
03:56<sep>to deploy the system that is
03:56<jm_>fanto666: you're using wrong source it seems
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03:57<php>koston you are sysadmin of debian ok what is number at server control have/
03:57<php>?
03:57<fanto666>hmmm
03:57<jm_>fanto666: /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/nv-kernel.o should be the one matching your arch and is provided by nvidia - are you sure you started with the right package
03:58<sheldonh>debian has no hatools in the archive. are people using something else to lock cron jobs to one instance?
03:58<fanto666>jm_: I'll look at it. when backporting, iirc bots 32/64bit versions were there
03:59<jm_>sheldonh: is there any alternative?
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03:59<php>you have the power that 500 xeon cpu in cluster that have this hackers spain?
03:59<php>is ramdon key yes..
03:59<Hideo>troll detector is on
04:00<sheldonh>jm_: not that i'm aware of. seems that, without hatools's halockrun (or bsd's lockf(1), you just can't guarantee that a freak long job will be running when it's next time to start it
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04:01<drthodt_>what what in tha butt?
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04:01<drthodt_>anyone ever played with dncs'?
04:01<fanto666>jm_: that's it... now how to build 64bit drivers oni386...
04:01<Koston>php, some hundreds.
04:01<jm_>sheldonh: can lockfile from procmail help?
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04:02<jm_>fanto666: hmm probably with cross-compile
04:02<sheldonh>jm_: hmmm, lemme see...
04:02<php>i am not troll i have this information
04:02<drthodt_>hmm
04:03<php>you see cluster that have nsa?
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04:03<drthodt_>debian hurd trial time
04:03<php>secure data never for they
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04:04<sheldonh>jm_: not really, no. same design as lockfile-progs -- intended exclusively for use within shell scripts. i'll just package hatools, i think
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04:06<fanto666>jm_: which CPU are 64bit apps compiled for? the gcc supports athlon64 and nocona (aka intel64)
04:07<sheldonh>jm_: i've advised my developers to use procmail or lockfile-progs in the meantime, until i can package hatools for debian. thanks!
04:08<php>i need people with skills to developer an cluster without limit
04:08<php>500 cpu 500 k cpu
04:09<dondelelcaro>sheldonh chiark-utils-bin has with-lock-ex, which generally does what you need
04:09<sheldonh>woot!
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04:09<jm_>fanto666: I have no idea, I am still using all my CPU-s in 32bit mode -- maybe check the output of gcc -dumpmachine
04:10<sheldonh>dondelelcaro: awesome, thanks!
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04:17<fanto666>hmmm
04:17<fanto666>anyone running amd64 ?
04:17<drthodt_>ouch
04:17<drthodt_>debian hurd is not for the novice :/
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04:23<mrsvin_>i have a big txt file and there is many same words, how can i delete same words and left others
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04:24<jm_>are they on separate lines?
04:24<jimb0b>.
04:25<mrsvin_>yes!
04:25<mrsvin_>line by line
04:25<jm_>man uniq
04:25<jm_>man sort
04:27<fanto666>sort -u, if you don't mind the file will get sorted
04:27<SlayerXP>mrsvin_: is google illegal where you live?
04:27<mrsvin_>nope
04:27<bcochofel>what about man sed?
04:28<fanto666>mrsvin_ it sorts lined, but if you really have one word per line, that should be OK
04:28<mrsvin_>hmmm
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04:33<fanto666>mrsvin_ plz re-read the topic (that part about msging), and ... wasn't the explanation enough?
04:33<fanto666>sort -u wordlist > wordlist.new
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04:39<SammyTheSnake>How do I tell aptitude not to suggest removing or downgrading packages to resolve dependency conflicts? (at least until it's tried all other options, specifically doing nothing!)
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04:41*SammyTheSnake wonders if everyone's asleep or if they're just politely waiting for an apt-guru to chime in...
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04:43<padski>SammyTheSnake, 50/50
04:43<fanto666>latter one :)
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04:44<PMF>hi, is anyone around?
04:44<SammyTheSnake>yeah, I figured :-P
04:44<padski>PMF, noone here but us and 355 others
04:44<PMF>guess thats a yes :p i was hoping someone could shed light onto why the debian installer can never seen to install GRUB?
04:44<SammyTheSnake>I reckon tring aptitude safe-upgrade every time I get a conflict from full-upgrade is my closest match for now...
04:45<PMF>people being in the chan and actually being here are two very different things :p
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04:46<fanto666>PMF it's still better to ask the question itself than meta-questions
04:46<PMF>anyhoo, I'm using an Areca RAID5 array, which is /dev/sda, and GRUB fails to install to MBR, and to /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda3, my two partitions
04:46<padski>PMF, it does also depend on the quality of the questions. "anybody here" is not worth most people's bother most of the time.
04:47<PMF>if someone enters an irc channel and there is no convo going, its pretty standard to say hi
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04:47<padski>PMF, here it is pretty standard to round on you for it ;-)
04:48<padski>PMF, error message ?
04:48<jm_>PMF: grub installer leaves a file with errors in /tmp, that's the first thing you should check
04:49<PMF>basically it just says Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed
04:49<PMF>or hd0, or /dev/sda1
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04:49<PMF>whichever i happen to try
04:49<PMF>ill go see about /tmp
04:50<PMF>alt f4 shows The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly btw
04:50<PMF>i dont see anything in tmp that might help
04:50<PMF>only four files
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04:51<PMF>this isnt the first time either - i tried with the same machine with an older downloaded CD about half a year ago and had the same troubles
04:51<PMF>lilo will work
04:52<PMF>but i still want to understand why grub has such problems
04:52<jmoorhead>can anyone tell me how to get the kernel source for setting up a NVidia 8500gt card?
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04:52<SammyTheSnake>jmoorhead: /msg dpkg about it
04:53<SammyTheSnake>jmoorhead: try "/msg dpkg nvidia?"
04:54<jmoorhead>will try, thanks
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04:54<SammyTheSnake>jmoorhead: it works for my 6000, YMMV for an 8500gt...
04:54<jmoorhead>I've been running redhat distros, mostly opensuse 10.3, playing around with debian for the first time
04:55<SammyTheSnake>jmoorhead: welcome to the family :p
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04:56<SammyTheSnake>does anyone know where I can find a "home page" on the web for apt / aptitude ? I can't find any helpful looking links form packages.debian.org...
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04:57<blarson>SammyTheSnake: Why would it have one?
04:57<jmoorhead>danget.....I actually ran across it earlier looking for my stuff but I closed that tab, give me a sec and I'll see if I can retrace those steps
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04:57<Hideo>jmoorhead: ctrl shift t
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04:58<jm_>jmoorhead: you need it from sid
04:58<SammyTheSnake>blarson: I'm looking for more in-depth docs than the manpage, perhaps more information about IRC / mailing list / whatever I can use to ask more specific questions from apt gurus
04:59<SammyTheSnake>blarson: I might just submit a bug and wait to get shouted at for not being able to find the info that explains how to do what I want, but I figured I'd make a colourable attempt at finding it first... :-P
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04:59<jm_>PMF: it means "dump" command in GRUB sbin emulator fails
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05:00<PMF>any ways around that or potential common reasons for it?
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05:01<jm_>run it manually
05:01<jmoorhead>ctrl shift t.....cool trick....need what from sid?
05:01<jm_>also try debug=1 grub-install foo
05:04<jmoorhead>ok so sid is like apt-get?
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05:04<jmoorhead>pardon my ignorance please
05:04<PMF>ok jm_, will definitely try
05:04<PMF>thanks
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05:07<ub4b>suppose you want to remaster a debian cd (custom kernel patches, add/remove/modify packages), how can you check if all .deb's in a pool are self-contained and do not need external dependencies ?
05:07<Plazzmex>i need help.. I've tried to install debian on y computer, but when it starts the installation step with the apt configuration, packages and something, it says me retrieving files xxx of 589.. then after it says retrieving files 589 of 589 - the system doing nothing for about 10 minutes.. after that debian installation says that there was an error with software installation, and i can try again or skip to the next installation step.. what'
05:07<Plazzmex>problem ?
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05:08<jm_>Plazzmex: check other tty-s for more info
05:08<jmoorhead>SammyTheSnake try http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/
05:08<Koston>ub4b, dfs (debian from scratch) is a nice tool for that
05:08<jmoorhead>SammyTheSnake try http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/
05:08<php>plazz mez see log is error imp
05:08<Plazzmex>jm_: excuseme ?
05:09<Plazzmex>what to check ? i dont understand
05:09<php>is cd burn
05:09<php>of hard disk
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05:09<jm_>Plazzmex: different consoles
05:09<php>eroor
05:09<Hideo>Plazzmex: ctrl alt f1
05:09<Hideo>f2, f3, etc...
05:09<php>yes see log with another consoles
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05:10<SammyTheSnake>jmoorhead: heh, I've just found that! :-P
05:10<SammyTheSnake>jmoorhead: looks like what I want, too :)
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05:11<SammyTheSnake>jmoorhead: unfortunately, it's looking increasingly like the functionality I want isn't quite there yet :-(
05:11<Plazzmex>i can't check it now. cause it is the same computer that i talk to you now, and trying to install debian. so, i need information now for the installation and what to do afterward..
05:11<jm_>you will need to find the exact error and paste it somewhere for us to see
05:11<jm_>"some error" is useless
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05:12<Plazzmex>so, you tell me to find an error i need to ctrl+alt+f1 ?
05:12<php>plazzmez you need read manual instalation
05:13<php>debian not ubuntu
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05:13<Hideo>php: you clearly are a troll
05:13<php>jaja i am not
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05:14<php>plzzmez check file iso
05:14<php>sum md5
05:14<Plazzmex>php: i've tried ubuntu.. i doesn't want install too.. it hangs up in the start of installation.. so, i moved to debian..
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05:14<php>yes debian is better than ubuntu
05:15<php>but install is more advance
05:15<php>you tray this install in virtual box?
05:15<Plazzmex>no..
05:15<lls>Hi, why we need to update our openssh packages again? - we updated it already at 15.5
05:16<Koston>read the changelog?
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05:16<Plazzmex>php: I'm inserting debian CD, that click enter on the boot screen, and it start installing..
05:16<php>koston you have any off centos developer?
05:16<lls>nothing found @ /security/
05:16<Koston>I'm just curious when they will release a proper blacklist
05:16<Koston>can someone give boot to this php guy already?
05:17<jmoorhead>SammyTheSnake what functionality are you refering to? This is the first I've heard of Aptitude, and it looks like it might be able to help me with my issues.........
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05:17<php>plazzmex is easy but this error is for cd or hard disk
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05:17<php>i thinks
05:17<php>but tray install debian in virtual box
05:17<Plazzmex>php: you said me to check md5sum.. how ?
05:18<php>is numbers and lleters
05:18<padski>Koston, "proper blacklist" ?
05:18<php>md5sum have in server debian and other md5sum have .iso
05:18<php>see thath equal
05:19<Koston>padski, yeah, one that would include 4096bit keys for example, such as the the unoff. package I made..
05:19<noob>who speak spanish ?
05:19<padski>!es
05:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
05:19<php>jaja
05:19<noob>tanks :D
05:20<php>this is for us now?
05:20<php>or all ?
05:20<Koston>padski, see http://love.hole.fi/atte/openssh-blacklist/ and check what's inside the package
05:20<Plazzmex>php: so ? how to check it ? i'm a newbie..
05:20<Koston>(also suggested to start using that package instead of the official)
05:20<Hideo>Plazzmex: I suggest you read this http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
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05:21<Plazzmex>Hideo: i've read this yesterday... didn't help me..
05:23<Plazzmex>i have another question too.. how many discs i need to install debian properly.. the first disc is enough? or i need the second one too ?
05:24<jm_>1
05:24<petemc>you obviously didnt read the manual very thoroughly
05:24<zakame>one internet should be enough.
05:25<Hideo>or did not pass 8th grade reading comprehension
05:25<padski>as long as it is disc-shaped ;-)
05:26<Koston>was there some other debian channel here that doesn't include "howto read manualz" questions?
05:26<Plazzmex>i have the first disc that has a 700 megs..
05:26<padski>Koston, this is just lists of numbers ?
05:26<Koston>padski, list of vulnerable key fingerprints
05:26<padski>Koston, is there published generator code ? these are non-free ;-)
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05:27<Koston>padski, I used the code from metasploit guy, but I used my own chroot. it's so trivial there's absolutely no point for including code for that
05:28<Koston>you just preload a lib to linker which rewrites getpid() to return user inputted value
05:29<Koston>bigger problem is to verify that my lists are accurate
05:29<Koston>(I know they are, but how can you know?)
05:29<fanto666>seems that nvidia doesn't have kernel modules for amd64 kernel in i386 distribution
05:30<php>koston why any developer at debian is purista?
05:31<padski>Koston, from the numbers I recall, this is beyond what can be run on the ordinary buildd systems, but presumably the same basic ideas apply.
05:31<Koston>padski, you only need to generate 32767 keys for a given key type and machine arch
05:32<Koston>that's quite quickly done even on a regular desktop hardware
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05:32<php>500 xeon cpu have generate all keys in ssl
05:32<padski>Koston, iirc ~ 180 xeon hours for the 4096 set ?
05:32<php>in 1 houre
05:33<jmoorhead>fanto666, I just got back to my desk, what are you dealing with?
05:33<jmoorhead>It sounds like we might be working on a similar issue
05:33<Koston>padski, 180 hours? sounds a bit too much..
05:33<jm_>fanto666: uhm it would be Debian not having it
05:33<jm_>fanto666: but yes, it dopesn't make sense to have it for 99.999% of people
05:34<Koston>padski, something like 10 hours on any modern desktop should do.
05:34<padski>Koston, ok, that's quite a big difference.
05:34<php>my friend is firt in see bug and he post it in his blog
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05:34<jmoorhead>I'm trying to get a debian system up AMD64 & Nvidia 8500gt
05:34<fanto666>jmoorhead: i386 distro, amd64 kernel, nvidia modules for it....
05:34<Koston>.oO(problem with opless chans.. nobody can kick the trolls)
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05:35<pleb2>lo all
05:35<Plazzmex>the error that imentioned can't occur because of that i have 128 mb ram of memory ?
05:35<fanto666>jm_: other modules are available for amd64 kernel, not nvidia, maybe for the same problem i couldn't build it :)
05:35<jmoorhead>64bit distro
05:35<php>by i need check cluster charge
05:36<jmoorhead>are you using the run file from nvidia's driver download?
05:37<fanto666>jmoorhead: i'm considering 64bit distro, however don't use it yet. booted amd64 to bootstrap 64bit distro on separate partition and be able to work on it in chroot
05:37<jm_>fanto666: they are not binary only
05:37<jm_>Plazzmex: installation manual lists minimum requirements, go read it
05:37<fanto666>jm_: pardon?
05:38<jm_>fanto666: I still fail to see how it's taking you so long to build that ...
05:38<fanto666>jmoorhead: I backported nvidia drivers source few months ago... 32bit modules for -686 kernel work, but I was unable to build modules for amd64
05:38<jm_>or why
05:38<Plazzmex>jm_: ok.. thanks
05:39<jmoorhead>fanto666: you can download the drivers from nvidia's site, they are *.run files that you sh
05:39<jm_>do not do that
05:39<fanto666>jmoorhead: I got them in the nvidia-graphics-drivers sources
05:39<jmoorhead>you have to have the apropriate gcc and libc installed, and possibly the kernel source, that's were I'm stuck now
05:40<fanto666>jmoorhead: I want to avoid that, that's why I'm doing it the (hopefully) debian way
05:40<jm_>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
05:40<jmoorhead>fanto666: 10-4
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05:42<jmoorhead>jm: thanks for the link
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05:43<fanto666>jmoorhead: 10-4 ?
05:43<jm_>jmoorhead: but like I said, you will need to backport packages from sid unless you are using sid anyway
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05:45<fanto666>jm_: I guess that the nvidia kernel source in i386 distrubition does not contain 64bit kernel module.
05:45<fanto666>jm_: at least not the version I've tried... and that's probably why I was unable to build it
05:45<fanto666>just trying to backport 169-12
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05:47<jm_>fanto666: that's what I am trying to tell you for I don't know how long ;)
05:47<jm_>fanto666: but why are you even using/getting 386 version if you are on 64bit release?
05:48<fanto666>jm_: I don't have 64bit distro, I bootstrapped it a while ago...
05:48<Aldin>e
05:48<fanto666>just the 64bit kernel on i386distro
05:48<Aldin>fanto
05:48<Aldin>you
05:48<Aldin>need
05:48<Aldin>help
05:48<Aldin>??
05:49<jm_>fanto666: ahh now that's a totally different story
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05:49<fanto666>)
05:49<fanto666>:-)
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05:53<PMF>what was the name of the package that is basically openssl-dev? i remember it had quite a different name in debian
05:53<fanto666>again the same error with nvidia-169
05:53<fanto666>Ill have to reboot
05:53<fanto666>to 686 kernel
05:54<fanto666>:(
05:54<Hideo>PMF: libssl-dev ?
05:55<jm_>libssl-dev
05:55<PMF>yup as soon as you said it, it rang a bell
05:55<PMF>many thanks
05:56<fanto666>jm_: thanks even
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05:56<fanto666>jmoorhead: what's your problem? have too new nvidia and etch not supporting it?
05:56<jm_>fanto666: yeah I don't see how you could do this
05:57<fanto666>jm_: hack the fscking nvidia sources ;) but no time
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06:00<jm_>fanto666: you'd have to hack linker etc. not nvidia sources
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06:03<OdyX>Hi. I would like to know if a OS in KVM can access USB devices. Any pointer ?
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06:08<OdyX>My idea is to launch a Windows® in a KVM to access this f*** windows-only burning-and-printing machine.
06:08<OdyX>Otherwise, I'll have to boot under Windows :(
06:08<jmoorhead>fanto666: I used a combination of the info that was provided by SammyTheSnake, jm, and your self and got X up.......
06:08<jmoorhead>like 2 seconds ago :-)
06:08<jmoorhead>oh yea, and the driver installer from NVidia's site
06:09<jmoorhead>thanks to all of ya'll for the help
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06:10<jmoorhead>fanto666: as far as your last question I'm still not sure what sid is, have to look into that and etch as well
06:11<jmoorhead>I have not used linux since 2002 untill about 6 months ago, and just decided to play with debian yesterday
06:12<jmoorhead>I've been running OpenSuse 10.3 32 and 64 bit nativley on various machines and ubuntu, redhat, and mandriva as well as some other distros under vmware on my 64bit box
06:12<jmoorhead>still a lot to learn
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06:20<mohkohn>I am trying to install Lotus Domino Server for linux v7.0.2
06:20<mohkohn>as root I get the following error: -su: ./installDomino.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
06:20<mohkohn>Why?
06:21<jm_>what does file installDomino.sh say?
06:22<Koston>executable bit missing on the installDomino.sh ?
06:22<jm_>where are you running it from?
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06:23<mohkohn>debian lenny
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06:23<jm_>no, dir/mount point/whatever
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06:23<mohkohn>from /dev/cdrom
06:23<jm_>how is it mounted?
06:24<mohkohn>I guess autmounted. Sorry I should have said /media/cdrom
06:24<jm_>run mount and see
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06:28<mohkohn>jm thanks you point my nose the right way. I had to mount /media/cdrom -o remount,exec
06:29<jm_>yes
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06:30<mohkohn>it was a bit confusing how IBM put it in thier docs. I am playing around with the free Software Evaluation Kit they send you.
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06:30<mohkohn>We use Lotus at work and I thought I will get to know it a bit better.
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06:31<jm_>sorry to hear that
06:32<mohkohn>I have bad Karma from a past life.
06:33<Hideo>me too, I was probably a murderer in the past life
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06:39<MartinVW>I have overwritten the sources.list file on some debian servers with a etch sources list, and then noticed that some of them were running on unstable. Is there a way to figure out if a server has installed unstable packages, so I can restore the sources list files on those servers?
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06:39<jm_>yes
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06:41<mohkohn>[Lotus Notes] is death by a thousand tiny annoyances—the digital equivalent of being kicked in the groin upon arrival at work every day.
06:41<mohkohn>http://lotusnotessucks.4t.com/
06:41<mohkohn>But it installs pretty easy on Debian
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06:43<padski>what is that script called, that tells you which packages were installed from which source ?
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06:45<petemc>weasel mentioned it a week or two back, i didnt take note
06:45<petemc>dondelelcaro mentioned something like: aptitude search '?narrow(?archive(stable),?version(CURRENT))' FE
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06:46<jm_>apt-show-versions?
06:46<padski>petemc, jm_, yeah, thanks :-)
06:46<@weasel>!list repositories
06:46<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}'
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06:47<padski>that one!
06:47<padski>hehe
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06:47<MrNaz>anyone familiar with xfce and know where i'd go to change the screen res?
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06:50<Torsten_W>MrNaz: look in xfce-setting-show
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06:51<MrNaz>Torsten_W is that a cli command ?
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06:51<Torsten_W>MrNaz: jes
06:51<Torsten_W>s/jes/yes
06:51<MrNaz>aah
06:51<MrNaz>lots of stuff i was looking for
06:51<MrNaz>thanks
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06:51<Torsten_W>MrNaz: is also in the xfce-menu
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06:57<ph_wdg>Do anybody think that gnome in Debian is a little bit too old?
06:58<MrNaz>Torsten_W also, i installed the nvidia driver, which works great but it seems to have increased the size of the system font... i cant find the setting in that menu system
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06:58<petemc>ph_wdg: do you understand how the debian release process works?>
06:58<Koston>ph_wdg, you could ask someone who cares, we use window managers.
06:58<petemc>i use gnome
06:58<ph_wdg>Koston: yeah, actually I use fvwm
07:00<aptituz>Koston: if you don't care, why do you feel like answering?
07:00<mohkohn>ph_wdg, depends are you running stable, testing or unstable?
07:00<ph_wdg>petemc: not quite understand, actually. I only know from Wikipedia that it is a common feature of Debian
07:00<petemc>ph_wdg: that what is a common feature of debian?
07:01<ph_wdg>mohkohn: I installed the stable one
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07:02<mohkohn>stable tends to run older software. That is why it is so stable. You have a couple of options. options
07:03<ph_wdg>petemc: usually debian team will test new version of a software for a long, long time before it become 'etch'(am I right?)
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07:03<mohkohn>One is to look at backports. The other is to run testing (lenny) or unstable (sid). I am personally running testing (lenny)
07:04<mohkohn>ph_wdg, etch is the current stable
07:04<Koston>aptituz, sorry.. over-abusive way of trying to explain that debian is not really your average desktop OS
07:04<ph_wdg>mohkohn: yeah, I'm considering to install the testing, but I'm not sure how 'unstable' it might be
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07:04<Plazzmex>com
07:05<mohkohn>I have never had any problems in two years of use
07:05<Koston>but people please please do not install testing or at at least unstable just because you want new gnome/kde/whatnot
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07:05<Koston>you will end up with just more problems
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07:05<mohkohn>testing now has a security team too which it did not have a few years ago
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07:06<mohkohn>Koston, would you recommend the backports?
07:06<aptituz>Koston: there are better ways to explain that instead of making senseless statements like this
07:06<Koston>mohkohn, I would
07:06<Plazzmex>when i'm installing debian it says "configuring libvorbis0a" installation step failed...
07:06<maxb>Even so, I think it's unadvisable to install testing unless you plan to maintain a regimen of at least weekly updates
07:08<jm_>Plazzmex: it should say more in case of an error
07:08<Plazzmex>jm_: it says you can try to run the failing item again or go to the next step or something.
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07:09<mohkohn>In cambodia it takes me about a week to do the update!
07:09<Plazzmex>jm_: 'the failing step is:Select andf install software'
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07:10<jm_>Plazzmex: check other tty-s for errors
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07:11<Plazzmex>jm_: other consoles? with ctrl+alt+f2?
07:11<jm_>Plazzmex: yes, and f3 and f4
07:11<mohkohn>Installing Lotus Domino I get this error: "notes" is not a valid UNIX user on this system.
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07:11<Plazzmex>but what do i need to type therE?
07:11<mohkohn>The installation cannot proceed for the local host.
07:11<jm_>nothing just check what it says on the screen
07:12<Borman>not type. _read_
07:12<SlayerXP>mohkohn: your first mistake was to decide to use Notes. sort that out and the problem will solve itself
07:13<mohkohn>SlayerXP, notes is not really something I would choose. I need to learn it as my company uses it.
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07:13<Plazzmex>it says something to activate this console click enter or something..
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07:15<Borman>try ctrl+alt+f4
07:15<Plazzmex>the same ?
07:16<jm_>you are supposed to do this while installing
07:17<Plazzmex>i've checked it while installing.. it said the same thing on all of the consoles..
07:17<jm_>then you are not using debian
07:18<Borman>no. 1 tty's must show installation detail
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07:19<jm_>at least 4th tty should have installation details
07:19<Plazzmex>so.. i said all what i've seen and all what happen..
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07:19<jaakko>Plazzmex: did you try to install debian on that 128 MB machine?
07:19<Plazzmex>yes
07:19<jaakko>Plazzmex: succeed?
07:19<Plazzmex>no
07:19<jaakko>(I just came here)
07:20<Plazzmex>when i'm installing debian it says "configuring libvorbis0a" installation step failed...
07:20<Plazzmex>it says you can try to run the failing item again or go to the next step or something.
07:21<jm_>tty4 shall show you more, for the last time
07:21<Plazzmex>the other consoles say to activate this console click enter or something..
07:21<jaakko>Plazzmex: what installation did you choose, standard/dekstop?
07:21<Plazzmex>in the software installation menu ?
07:21<jaakko>Plazzmex: yes
07:22<Plazzmex>the desktop environment and the last one (i think that was system base or something..)
07:22<Borman>1
07:22<jaakko>Plazzmex: try without the desktop (I dont know if it has anything to do with your problem, but low memory..)
07:23<jaakko>Plazzmex: Did you create swap partition?
07:23<Plazzmex>but then i will get debian without desktop..
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07:23<Plazzmex>created
07:23<jaakko>Plazzmex: it is really easy to install afterwards
07:23<Hideo>Plazzmex: also what source are you installing from, cd, network...? stable, testing? have you checked that the iso you downloaded is not corrupted?
07:23<jaakko>Plazzmex: come here then and I will tell you how
07:24<Plazzmex>Hideo: CD, stable.. how to check ?
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07:24<Plazzmex>jaakko: ok.. i'll try now to install without the desktop..
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07:25<jaakko>Plazzmex: checking the disc might be good idea too
07:25<Hideo>Plazzmex: if you read the installation manual, there's a part where it said md5sum, that's how to check
07:25<jaakko>Hideo: I heard some time ago that the installer disc does not contain the checking utility?
07:25<mohkohn>ph_wdg, An old article but might be good for you: http://www.linux.com/feature/59501
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07:26<Plazzmex>Hideo: there isn't..
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07:27<shellclear>how to remote acess cups???
07:27<Hideo>jaakko: I thought it does
07:27<Hideo>Plazzmex: there is
07:28<Plazzmex>Hideo: can't find it here: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/
07:28<jm_>shellclear: CUPS admin manual tells you how
07:28<jaakko>Plazzmex: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/alpha/ch05s03.html.en#unreliable-cd
07:28<Hideo>Plazzmex: 5.3
07:28<shellclear>jm_, howto please
07:29<Hideo>like I said before, reading comprehension really helps
07:29<jaakko>Hideo: it says "If the CD-ROM fails to boot, try the suggestions listed below." So only about _booting_ problem.
07:29<jm_>shellclear: http://www.freewebs.com/duupke/makingoff1express.htm
07:29<jaakko>Hideo: might it be that installer is doing automatically a CD check?
07:30<shellclear>jm_, ???
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07:30<jm_>shellclear: !!!!!
07:31<jm_>shellclear: http://www.cups.org/doc-1.1/sam.html#CLIENT_SETUP
07:31<Hideo>jaakko: ??
07:31<jm_>it only takes 3 copy&paste operations in iceweasel before it decides to use the right one
07:32<Plazzmex>Hideo: but how to check ?? it says 'check that the md5sum of that image matches the one listed for the image in the MD5SUMS file that should be present in the same location as where you downloaded the image from.'... but how to check ???
07:33<Hideo>...
07:33<jaakko>Hideo: Disc error is not mentioned in "Problems with CD" but in "Booting problems". And I don't see mentioned how you could check the disc with installer. Perhaps it is automated nowadays?
07:33<qq>09:52 <php> someone have the skills to developer an cluster at 500 cpu?
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07:34<qq>oops
07:34<qq>sorry
07:34<Hideo>jaakko: I don't know whether it is automated nowadays or not, but I thought I remember seeing an option to check it when you first boot up the installer, unless it's my imagination playing games with me
07:34<jaakko>Plazzmex: well, try the installation without desktop if you have time.. :)
07:34<jaakko>Hideo: I remember too, in Sarge.
07:35<jm_>netinst images definitely don't mention that in the help
07:35<jaakko>It would be fool to leave out.. it has to be automated(?)
07:36<Plazzmex>jaakko: ok.. i'll try the installation witout the desktop.. but if it fails, i'll will go for fedora9..
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07:36<jaakko>Plazzmex: don't give up yet :)
07:36<Hideo>Plazzmex: here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ , see those md5sum files?
07:36<Hideo>check that you get the same signature as in those
07:36<Plazzmex>yes
07:36<jaakko>Plazzmex: I don't know Fedora well, but I think you get more easily light weight desktop on debian
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07:36<DTE>hi all
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07:37<Plazzmex>but if debian don't want to install, so fedora is a good reason to install...
07:37<jaakko>Plazzmex: perhaps, but let see now first :)
07:37<DTE>postfix 2.5 in the backports, does it include vda patch? or quota support is already in the 2.5 version?
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07:38<Plazzmex>Hideo: how to check? that the question that i asked many times now.. and there is no answer in the install guide..
07:38<Hideo>it's right there
07:38<Hideo>$ md5sum debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso
07:38<jaakko>Plazzmex: what system are you running now?
07:39<Hideo>see the greyed out part
07:39<Hideo>that's the direction
07:39<jaakko>Hideo: ..he needs linux to do that
07:39<jm_>no he doesn't
07:39<Hideo>there ought to be an md5sum tool for windows or whatever he's running
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07:40<jaakko>yeh, of course there are program, but installing software to check one disc..
07:40<Hideo>Plazzmex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Md5sum
07:40<jm_>fsum is free and OK, cfv is very stupid on windows
07:41<jm_>heh mentioned there too
07:41<jaakko>ok, but tell those things, don't just point to linux-command, please :)
07:42<Plazzmex>xp
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07:42<jm_>are perl 5.10 issues sorted in sid nowadays? need it to build grml image
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07:42<jaakko>I still remember what it is to be a n00b :D
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07:42<TuxCrafter>somebody here that uses debian sid thunar and sshfs?
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07:42<TuxCrafter>i got major issues sins the update of yesterday
07:43<Hideo>"thunar"?
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07:43<jaakko>Hideo: it is xfce filemanager
07:44<jm_>ahh nice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Md5sum
07:44<Hideo>oh... odd name :P
07:44<jm_>bummer, stupid iceweasel doing it again
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07:45<wuseldusel>yesterday there was a ssh update, now no connection can be accepted (host key verification failed), how do i fix that?
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07:46<Hideo>wuseldusel: /msg dpkg dsa1571
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07:52<andreyv>i ran apt-get source coreutils, where it put sources???
07:52<jm_>current dir
07:52<petemc>pwd
07:53<andreyv>f*** ))
07:53<jm_>it even tells you: ./foo
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07:53<andreyv>haven't seen
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07:56<daniel2>hi all
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07:57<wuseldusel>if i don't do the keyrollover procedure, i won't be able to use any authentication based on the the currently generated keys anymore? what a hell of a mess!
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07:58<shellclear>howto acess cups remote local network?
07:59<jm_>shellclear: I gave your URL to admin manual, why don't you go and read it?
07:59<Hideo>wuseldusel: you can, but would you want to?
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08:01<vmuser>hello all---anyone know if debian linux can be setup as a big IP router? I cant seem to find any directions on setting it up..perhaps there is a distribution eared toward this?
08:01<zobel>vmuser: sure it ca.
08:01<jaakko>vmuser: Any debian setup will do routing, if you just enable it
08:01<zobel>s/ca/can/
08:02<jaakko>vmuser: something in.. /etc/sysc..
08:02<jaakko>vmuser: you just have to figure out the rules and apply them for iptables or.. what ever. :)
08:02<zobel>/etc/sysctl.conf that is
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08:03<jm_>!iptables tutorial
08:03<dpkg>i heard iptables tutorial is http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/
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08:04<vmuser>would it be as efficient as lets say an F5 ip router?
08:04<jaakko>vmuser: if you don't need NAT/firewall, just setup your /etc/network/interfaces ok
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08:05<jaakko>vmuser: what is F5? efficient, what way? Do you have poor cpu?
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08:07<vmuser>I am just worried about the overhead with such a setup F5 is optimized just for that task
08:07<OdyX>Hi. How do I purge gnome ? (I know dpkg can answer that, but don't know how to ask it )...
08:07<jm_>!removing gnome
08:07<jm_>!remove gnome
08:07<dpkg>well, remove gnome is remove libgnome32 and libgnome2-common
08:07<jaakko>vmuser: there is not much "overhead" in Debian routing, I think. Don't install desktop..
08:07<wololo>widrones: 3
08:07<wololo>oops
08:08<bzed>vmuser: if you want to have a *router* only, you should buy a router, and not use a linux box
08:08<bzed>well, depends on the kind of router
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08:09<jaakko>OdyX: so.. aptitude purge libgnome32 libgnome2-common
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08:10<OdyX>jaakko: thank you !
08:10<vmuser>if the desktop isn't runnin but is installed does it still have resource ovewrheadin lets say the kernel? I would like to find somthing to configure it in s gui but not run it that way. I might be able to configure it but some of our admins might not be able to tweek such a setup from the command line
08:11<DTE>one question:
08:11<DTE>is postfix 2.5 incorporating quota support?
08:11<jaakko>vmuser: yes, it has useless daemons
08:11<DTE>from backports
08:11<jm_>vmuser: majority of desktop packages don't add any overhead when apps are not running
08:11<jaakko>jm_: I wish.. installed xfce, boot time +10 s without starting xfce.
08:12<vmuser>what about a remote web interface for such a setup?
08:12<bzed>vmuser: if you need a simple dsl 'router', a linux box is more than fine. if you want to have a router to route tons of traffic, go to cisco or force10 or similar companies, and put firewalls where you need them
08:12<bzed>vmuser: you probably want to tell what you really want to route
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08:13<jm_>jaakko: yes but that's irrelevant for servers, you don't boot them every 30 minutes
08:13<jaakko>jm_: my point was that it starts daemons..
08:14<vmuser>I am thinking for redundant connections dsl cable and fios but would also like to havethe ability to work with T1 & T3
08:14<jm_>jaakko: it doesn't matter, well behaved apps will go to sleep and add about 0.0001% of overhead
08:14<jaakko>jm_: not that they would actually cause owerhead, my laptop can run Gnome and route all necessary traffic :D
08:14<vmuser>nothing bigger than that
08:14<jaakko>jm_: I just don't know what we are talking about here yet.. vmuser is mystical
08:14<jm_>jaakko: yes, he doesn't know what he wants
08:15<vmuser>does webmin have an interface for such a setup?
08:15<vmuser>mystical?
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08:15<jm_>do no tuse webmin
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08:15<jaakko>jm_: and still, I wish they sleep, but my hd led blinks once in 2 seconds after xfce4.
08:15<Hideo>lul
08:16<jaakko>jm_: don't know which caused, thought hal, but perhaps not
08:16<jm_>jaakko: you can check via block_dump or blktrace
08:17<jm_>jaakko: or maybe that powertop thing
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08:17<Ouroboros>regarding the openssl vulnerability, why are *all* keys generated after Sep 2006 not detected as compromised by ssh-vulnkey?
08:17<azeem>Ouroboros: hrm?
08:17<jm_>Ouroboros: are you talking abour RSA keys?
08:18<azeem>Ouroboros: perhaps they were generated on a good non-Debian machine
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08:18<Ouroboros>jm_: is DSA not affected?
08:18<azeem>it is
08:18<azeem>Ouroboros: can you rephrase your question maybe?
08:18<jm_>Ouroboros: it is, but those should be detected, however for RSA there's a bug in BTS
08:19<Ouroboros>azeem: i suppose it is possible, i am doing 'ssh-vulnkey -a' on a machine i admin, some of the user keys are not detected
08:20<vmuser>ok i have a bunch of customers that could benifit from redundant upstream and downstream connections and admins that work better in a gui
08:20<Ouroboros>now that i think about it, one of they keys that i myself generated on that machine is not detected
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08:20<azeem>Ouroboros: also, maybe they got created on (back then) stable machines
08:21<azeem>Ouroboros: Debian stable is only vulnerable since the etch release a year ago
08:21<Ouroboros>ah, that is possible
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08:22<jaakko>vmuser: how much is that bunch, does the "overhead" matter?
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08:22<jaakko>vmuser: (I have to check 'redundant' from dictionary..)
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08:23<vmuser>sorry load balanced and redundant
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08:24<jaakko>vmuser: but if you need a gui.. think you should look for something ready-to-go, distro or device. Thouhg there may be good packages for Debian, don't know.
08:25<vmuser>ok thanks for your help its appeciated
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08:25<Ouroboros>so if ssh-vulnkey does not detect a key, then it is guaranteed to not be compromised? i.e,, does the blacklist contain all the compromised keys?
08:26<Hideo>did you also install openssh-blacklist-extra ?
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08:27<jaakko>vmuser: something perhaps too simple: http://packages.debian.org/etch/arno-iptables-firewall
08:27<Ouroboros>no such package on etch?
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08:28<Hideo>oh, it's in unstable only
08:29<jaakko>vmuser: http://packages.debian.org/etch/firehol (no GUI still, I think)
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08:29<azeem>Ouroboros: if it's a DSA key, it's diligent to revoke it anyway, due to possible man-in-the-middle-attacks
08:29<Ouroboros>jm_: what is BTS?
08:30<Hideo>Ouroboros: /topic
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08:31<Ouroboros>ah right
08:32<jaakko>vmuser: oh, didn't find this earlier when I needed traffic shaping: http://packages.debian.org/etch/trickle
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08:33<yang>Has someone managed to convince talk/talkd to work ?
08:35<dondelelcaro>yang: yes, though there's generally no reason to bother.
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08:35<melounovejFous>hello
08:36<melounovejFous>where should i ask about initramfs-tools?
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08:36<jaakko>melounovejFous: ask here :)
08:36<melounovejFous>:)
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08:37<vmuser>thanks jaakko I am looking around for distros as you said to see if there are any geared toward this sort of thing
08:37<melounovejFous>i cannot found the exactly doc about the scripts directories /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/*
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08:38<melounovejFous>i mean the differencies of init-premount vs local-premount
08:38<yang>dondelelcaro: but its looking for talkd daemon on localhost?
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08:39<dondelelcaro>yang: yes; that's what it uses by default.
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08:39<jaakko>melounovejFous: man initramfs-tools
08:39<yang>dondelelcaro: I seem to experience a problem on VPS system, since I don't have the 127.0.0.1 interface
08:40<jaakko>melounovejFous: I didn't found anything better when looking for
08:40<dondelelcaro>yang: uh... why wouldn't you have loopback?
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08:40<yang>dondelelcaro: there is just the public IP
08:41<dondelelcaro>yang: lots of things will break if loopback doesn't exist; you should bring it up.
08:41<jaakko>melounovejFous: do you wan't to get done something or find the doc? :D
08:41<jm_>melounovejFous: man 8 initramfs-tools
08:42<melounovejFous>jaakko: just thinking about generating fstab
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08:42<melounovejFous>jm_, jaakko, grrr, sorry for dumb questions, i have looked just indo /usr/share/doc
08:43<melounovejFous>O:-)
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08:44<Ouroboros>thanks for the info, night
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08:48<jaakko>melounovejFous: building liveCD or similar?
08:48<pinhead>hi
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08:48<pinhead>i was looking for help on a small Ubuntu Hardware problem with a printer
08:49<melounovejFous>jaakko, usb
08:49<pinhead>It says me this: "Unable to start filter "pstocanonij" - No such file or directory."
08:49<jm_>pinhead: read the topic
08:49<jaakko>melounovejFous: ok. I think I have booted Etch with empty fstab.
08:50<pinhead>well ok .. wish ya good day
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08:50<melounovejFous>jaakko: so the root= is sufficient? hmmm, should try
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08:51<jaakko>melounovejFous: it does something and warns you.. but runs anyway.
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08:51<qq>jm_: here perl: Installé : 5.10.0-10
08:51<jm_>melounovejFous: did you look at http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/?
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08:52<jm_>qq: yeah it's probably sorted by now, there's a wiki page about it, thanks
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08:52<qq>np
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08:55<twb>Why does defoma recommend libft-perl?
08:55<twb>defoma is the only thing keeping it installed; what are the consequences if I purge libft-perl?
08:56<azeem>a non-working defoma might be the consequence
08:56<twb>azeem: how, specifically?
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08:56<jm_>I don't have it installed (just like majority of other "recommends" packages)
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08:57<azeem>twb: how should I know?
08:57<azeem>I didn't write defoma
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08:58<twb>jm_: does xterm -fa Monospace-24 work for you?
08:58<jaakko>if it only "recommends", it will not break defoma
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08:58<twb>I suspect it wants libft-perl in order to expose ttf fonts to xft.
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08:59<jm_>twb: yes
08:59<twb>jm_: interesting; I'll remove it and see what happens.
08:59<twb>libft-perl is the only thing stopping me from upgrading perl, you see.
09:00<jm_>twb: I am on etch btw
09:00<azeem>twb: in lenny or sid?
09:00<twb>azeem: yes.
09:00<azeem>twb: plonk
09:01<jm_>twb: you should be fine without it
09:02<twb>azeem: it's a hybrid.
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09:09<melounovejFous>jm_: is there any way to build the image for another arch
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09:10<melounovejFous>jm_: i'm running on amd64 and want to build 686
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09:11<padski>melounovejFous, sounds like cross-building, although amd64->i686 may be a special case
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09:13<jm_>melounovejFous: you mean for debian live?
09:13<melounovejFous>padski: it says "skipping ... foreign architecture"
09:13<jm_>melounovejFous: join their IRC channel and ask there
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09:15<haxi>do anyone know how do I load linux-uvc module? I mean, I compiled src from svn but idk what to do now.
09:16<jm_>did it compile successfuly?
09:18<haxi>yep
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09:18<jm_>find out if it has install target and what that does
09:19<haxi>uvcvideo.ko
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09:19<jm_>make -n install
09:19<haxi>I guess it's that,
09:20<haxi>mh ok I did it.
09:20<haxi>jm_: http://rafb.net/p/kTeZuO58.html
09:21<jm_>haxi: try removing -n then
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09:22<haxi> INSTALL /home/leo/progs/linux-uvc/trunk/uvcvideo.ko
09:22<haxi> DEPMOD 2.6.24-1-686
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09:23<haxi>http://rafb.net/p/FsKjjO67.html
09:23<haxi>thanks wgetpaste.
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09:26<twb>I should learn how to use that.
09:26<twb>Here I just do M-x hpaste paste buffer or M-x lisppaste paste buffer
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09:28<twb>haxi: you can build and install the uvc module with "module-assistant auto-install uvc"
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09:29<haxi>mh, module-assistant don't find uvc. :/
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09:29<twb>m-a update?
09:29<twb>It's the linux-uvc-source package
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09:29<twb>It might not be in Etch.
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09:33<efaistos>did someone alerady use some of the products there with debian http://www.g-technology.com ?
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09:34<twb>efaistos: can't tell, too many tables and images
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09:40<brusqe>Hmm, I've got an issue.
09:40<brusqe>I want to set up a raid1 array for a file server
09:41<brusqe>but am a touch lost as to how to go about it
09:41<twb>brusqe: software, hardware or fake raid?
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09:42<twb>How can I find out which packages I have installed are from the experimental tree?
09:42<brusqe>twb, whats fake raid?
09:43<twb>brusqe: it's what you get on cheap (like $10 instead of $300) raid cards
09:43<brusqe>I can't seem to get hardware raid working, although the mother board apparently supports it - debian still tells me there are two drives.
09:43<twb>!fakeraid
09:43<dpkg>methinks fakeraid is term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>).
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09:43<brusqe>!md
09:43<dpkg>well, md is the Multiple Device driver (aka Linux Software RAID). See md(4) and ask me about <software raid>.
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09:44<twb>I wouldn't normally trust a motherboard's hardware raid; it's usually fakeraid IME
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09:44<brusqe>fair enough.
09:45<brusqe>Software raid is looking like my best bet
09:45<twb>md has a fairly predictable level of suck, and it means you don't need to keep spare copies of the raid card (or in your case, motherboard) around for when the active one dies and you want to rescue your data
09:45<twb>With md, if your mobo dies you can get the data off the disks using any mobo, as long as you still run Linux
09:46<twb>It's also much easier to administer because you don't need to install badly written proprietary management tools and/or reboot into BIOS to change the RAID settings or resync the array.
09:46<brusqe>cool
09:46<brusqe>sounds attractive.
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09:46<brusqe>I've read through this : http://www200.pair.com/mecham/raid/raid1.html
09:46<twb>So is Debian already installed?
09:46<brusqe>nah, not yeah
09:47<brusqe>fresh 750gb hard drives, to be used as file server.
09:47<brusqe>so samba shares and thats about it.
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09:47<twb>OK, so the easiest is to do it during install
09:48<twb>Although the partition manager in d-i is a bit hairy
09:48<brusqe>d-i = debian-installer?
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09:48<JL_>hello everyone. I run Lenny because it supports my SATA and ethernet controllers. However, this is production- not play. How stable is Lenny? When will it transit from "testing" to "stable". Is that ok to runin production (with security patches turned on). The system will run Plone behind Apache. Thanks.
09:49<twb>!d-i
09:49<dpkg>4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot.
09:49<sep>JL_, you can also consider eetch + kernel from backports
09:49<brusqe>cheers.
09:49<pleb2>urm, i would like to ask that question also
09:50<pleb2>How stable Is testing?
09:50<brusqe>well, i have the netinst CD image, for amd64.
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09:50<brusqe>so i'd be wanting to configure software raid in that during install?
09:50<twb>Probably more stable than RHEL and Ubuntu Hardy -- after all, we don't install upstream Firefox and introduce lots of regressions thereby
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09:50<JL_>II have tried RAID with the soft RAID on the motherboard SUCKS - need to halt the system each time you want to configure. The best way to do it is at install. There is also another way to do it post install.
09:50<sep>JL_, lenny is not very stable. (as in not changing) there are package updates daily. ofcourse with apache only and not extras you probably wont see many of them. if you do your updates i would say you would live until it is stable
09:50<twb>:-)
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09:51<twb>JL_: hence, md raid is better
09:51<sep>JL_, so expect to update it frequenty for a while
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09:53<brusqe>!lvm
09:53<dpkg>lvm is probably at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo, or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410
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09:54<ra9ftm>Hi all
09:54<brusqe>.. probably not what I want for SATA drives?
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09:54<twb>brusqe: LVM is also very sexy, basically because it means you can change your mind about partition layout at any time, without having to restart. It also means you can move partitions from old disks to new disks without restarting.
09:54<ra9ftm>Is here HAMs on channel? looking for using baycom_ser_fdx driver from Linux Kernel.....
09:54<brusqe>hmm, as cool as that sounds, does a file server with a RAID 1 mirror really need that functionality
09:55<brusqe>+?
09:55<twb>brusqe: well, all my file servers have md RAID1 (or RAID5) and then LVM on top
09:55<brusqe>software raid?
09:55<twb>brusqe: the flexibility that it gives me later is worth the minor overhead
09:55<twb>brusqe: yes, md raid = software raid
09:56<brusqe>ah, right. Which is easiest to set up during install.
09:56<twb>brusqe: you can set up both during install
09:56<brusqe>I'm wondering if i need to.
09:57<chealer>!tell JL_ about releases
09:57<twb>brusqe: you don't "need" to.
09:57<brusqe>hmm, what flexibility do you gain? How often do you shffle partitions around?
09:57<brusqe>err, shuffle*
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09:57<twb>brusqe: maybe once every three years, when disks die
09:57<chealer>!tell JL_ about wwlr
09:58<brusqe>Doesn't raid provide that functionality?
09:58<twb>brusqe: no.
09:58<twb>brusqe: RAID does not allow you to rearrange, grow or shrink partitions
09:58<twb>brusqe: RAID *only* provides bitwise mirroring.
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09:58<brusqe>or right, but having LVM on top of raid means when a disk dies, you can throw a new one in that is a differnt size or so?
09:59<brusqe>Or am i failing to get your point.
09:59<twb>brusqe: no no, RAID1 means you can lose 1 disk of the pair without losing data
09:59<twb>brusqe: if you then stick a new disk in, it'll re-sync.
09:59<twb>brusqe: LVM means that you can go from 300GB to 500GB disks without needing to shut down
10:00<brusqe>nice.
10:00<twb>brusqe: or from 300GB to 300GB + 500GB, assuming you have both pairs of disks connected permanently.
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10:00<brusqe>As cool as that is, no one is going to buy new hard drives for this box anytime soon.
10:00<brusqe>So simply raid1 would be a safe solution.
10:00<twb>Like I said, LVM basically provides you a little extra flexibility for a little overhead.
10:00<twb>Yes, just RAID1 would be a safe solution.
10:01<twb>RAID increases safety; LVM increases flexibility.
10:01<brusqe>as long as the drives are identicle size wise, it doesn't matter if theyare different brands or anything, no? I would imagine not.
10:01<brusqe>Yep, i get ya.
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10:01<twb>brusqe: for RAID1, different size drives just means the extra bytes are unused on the larger drive.
10:02<brusqe>cool cool.
10:02<Desperado>twb, wow....both LVM and RAID...I haven't tried...
10:02<brusqe>And this can be dealt with in the install of debian yeah?
10:02<twb>It's usually a bad idea to use two drives from the same manufacturing batch, because manufacturing defects tend to kill whole batches at once -- and losing both drives at the same time means you lose all your data
10:02<pleb2>twb ive had issues in the past with differnt brands of RAID1 drive
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10:02<pleb2>differnt cache sizes and lark
10:02<twb>brusqe: yes, d-i (unlike ubiquity, the morons) can do RAID1
10:03<ant_>brusqe, It has been said that different brands/models means you are at less risk of a manufacturing defect, though I bought 2 different manufacturer disks recently and they turned out to be the same disk rebadged
10:03<twb>pleb2: indeed, my next remark was that it's still good to get the same make and model
10:03<brusqe>ant_, lol, what a hassle :p
10:03<brusqe>So what happens when a disk dies?
10:03<brusqe>Plot in a new one and it rebuilds itself?
10:03<twb>brusqe: you get an email, and that disk is taken offline
10:04<pleb2>twb does running software RAID elimiate the problem of differnt cache sizes / actually disk space
10:04<ant_>hopefully only one dies and I get an email from the system - then pop in a new disk and it rebuilds
10:04<pleb2> actual
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10:04<twb>brusqe: your system continues in a "degraded" state until you turn it off, replace the drive, and add the new drive to the array and wait a few hours for the array to re-sync.
10:04<twb>pleb2: I don't know; I doubt it
10:04<pleb2>meh
10:04<brusqe>what if the drives that dies had the MBR on it?
10:04<ant_>I have never looked at cache problems: I am not that worried about the data
10:04<brusqe>is that an issue?
10:04<ant_>my MBR is on both disks
10:04<twb>brusqe: on typically installs an MBR on every drive
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10:05<pleb2>brusqe, im waiting on a delivery to my datahouse, atm one of my servers has a failed RAID1 HDD, its running just as fine :)
10:05<twb>brusqe: similarly one typically RAID1's the /boot partition
10:05<brusqe>yeah, i will have /boot, swap and / all on one drive.
10:05<twb>Of course, one should make sure that the MBR on sdb points to sdb1 not sda1!
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10:05<pleb2>brusqe the other drive will be an identical image of the first drive, MBR and all
10:05<twb>RAID1'ing swap is both pointless and harmful
10:06<twb>Do not raid swap partitions
10:06<pleb2>twb i have a RAID1 swap :\ because of hardware RAID 1
10:06*pleb2 sad
10:06<brusqe>so throw an extra drive in, and use it completly seperate?
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10:06<JL_>note that only RAID 1 (Mirroring) guarantees that the loss of a disk allows recovery. Not RAID 0 (striping) and to a lesser extent RAID5
10:06<twb>Linux always stripes (essentially RAID0) swap partitions when they are mounted with identical priority
10:06<jorge>hello
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10:06<pleb2>twb my 1U server has no room for more drives, im stuck with RAID 1 /w swap....
10:07<jthomas>I have two SSH keys, id_dsa and id_rsa; I just created another called dsa.home that I want to use to connect to my home machine. How can I get my SSH to present all possible keys so that the dsa.home works? Currently it seems that only id_dsa and id_rsa are presented...
10:07<pleb2>the 4GB RAM should be enough though :)
10:07<twb>pleb2: hardware raid is less of a bad thing
10:07*brusqe makes a note to get a small sata drive to act as his swap partition
10:07<pleb2>twb: Hurrar :D
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10:07<jorge>how can I replace in a file text a hex value to regular text?
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10:07<twb>brusqe: the best approah is usually to have a swap partition on each drive/bus
10:08*pleb2 wonders if brusqe should be planning running into swap>??????
10:08<twb>brusqe: because they are striped, this gives best swap performance
10:08<pleb2>surely the best approach is to NOT run into swap?
10:08<twb>pleb2: if you can afford more RAM, then go for it
10:08<brusqe>pleb2, well, yes. surely, but I mean, it's a good idea to have one there anyway, no?
10:09<twb>pleb2: some kinds of computation end up blowing RAM through into swap, I think
10:09<pleb2>ye, but im saying, if you arnt planning on running into swap very often, is it worth going out your way to fit another drive to act as swap
10:09<twb>pleb2: I agree there
10:09<twb>I wouldn't add a whole extra drive just for swap
10:09<brusqe>twb, so two 750gb drives, with identicle / and /boot partitons both at Raid 1, and a swap partition on each one, just as swap?
10:10<twb>brusqe: Yep
10:10<pleb2>:)
10:10<brusqe>makes sense
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10:10<twb>brusqe: although I might LVM what you call the / array, and then make a / LV on top
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10:10<brusqe>my only concern is if i have to twiddle with grub config files or whatever :\
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10:10<JL_>swap is only bad if you use it. if you have large memory arrays you rarely use (yse bad design but you're not the programmer) then swap is great (i.e. low rate of swap in/out)
10:10<twb>Grub just sees the RAID1 /boot as a non-RAID /boot
10:11*brusqe makes a note to read up more on this logical volume stuff
10:11<twb>JL_: heh, festival's text2wave concatenates the *whole* wav file in memory... easily several gigabytes of data for a 4-hour wav
10:12<brusqe>what? grub sees both /boot drives seperate?
10:12<twb>brusqe: no, it just sees one /boot partition
10:12<twb>brusqe: you tell it "look on sda1 for /boot" and it goes "oh, OK"
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10:12<twb>brusqe: it doesn't care that sda1 is a RAID1 node with sdb1, and that /boot is on top of that array
10:12<brusqe>so even in a degraded state, if sda1 is dead, it'll still go "Oh, OK"?
10:13<twb>Because the md RAID metadata just lives at the end of the partition
10:13<twb>brusqe: exactly
10:13<brusqe>nice.
10:13<JL_>it is ok ONLY in RAID1 more
10:13<JL_>mode
10:13<twb>brusqe: note that this is grub LEGACY, not grub 2
10:13<twb>grub2 crashes and burns with degraded raid1 /boot
10:13<brusqe>I was unaware there was a difference :\
10:13<brusqe>oh, not quite so cool.
10:13<ph_wdg>hi, when I installed debian, I set the max resolution of X-window to be 1024*768, how can I increase the max resolution, now?
10:13<twb>brusqe: almost everybody uses grub legacy
10:14<brusqe>which one does debian install?
10:14<brusqe>legacy?
10:14<twb>by default, yes
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10:14<brusqe>Cool.
10:14<brusqe>well, i totally don't understtand the need dor the last page in this document then : http://www200.pair.com/mecham/raid/raid1-page3.html
10:14<adelgado>hi
10:14<twb>Unless you have /boot on LVM on RAID, in which case d-i uses lilo -- because grub legacy can't do both LVM and RAID for /boot, but lilo can -- because lilo uses a horrible broken kludge
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10:15<brusqe>page two goes over setting it up as a RAID1 array (although i'll skip mirroring the swap part), page three is all about screwing with grub.
10:15<adelgado>hi everyone
10:15<twb>brusqe: that might be installing correct MBR on the second disk
10:15<adelgado>i need help:( I need to migrate from Redhat to Debia
10:15<Gekz>syslinux with a menu ftw
10:15<twb>brusqe: remember that for maximum safety you want sdb's MBR to point to sdb /boot
10:15<pleb2>ph_wdg you can add resolutions to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to add possible resolutions
10:15<pleb2>it depends if your monitor config is set up to support them also tho
10:16<adelgado>how can i migrate the user accounts
10:16<brusqe>twb, i thought that part was taken care in d-i :\
10:16<twb>adelgado: to start with, debian defaults to user uids from 1000, not 500
10:16<twb>brusqe: nope
10:16<twb>brusqe: only for sda
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10:16<twb>brusqe: which is all you need... until SDA fries
10:17<adelgado>correct....so is there a way to still migrate
10:17<ph_wdg>pleb2: so I can add wide screen resolution as long as the monitor support?
10:17<adelgado>i found a site
10:17<adelgado>that has a tuturial
10:17<jorge>anyone how to use sed for replacing hex values?
10:17<adelgado>about how to migrate from rh to deb
10:17<brusqe>twb, right, because it wont be able to bring itself back up to rebuild. So some grub twiddling is necessary?
10:17<brusqe>it seems so
10:17<twb>ph_wdg: try runnign "xrandr -q"
10:18<twb>brusqe: yes
10:18<twb>brusqe: AFAIK anyway
10:18<brusqe>cool
10:18<brusqe>well
10:18<brusqe>that's definatly cleared some stuff for me
10:18<twb>brusqe: glad I could help
10:18*brusqe gets ready to ditch this fake-raid thing
10:18<brusqe>thanks :)
10:19<JL_>to install RAID on my system (2 x 160 GB disks) I followed the instructions on this website. All good
10:20<JL_>http://andreas.scherbaum.la/blog/archives/54-Install-Debian-Etch-on-a-Software-Raid-1-with-S-ATA-disks.html
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10:20<ph_wdg>ah... thanks :-) I'll try afterwards
10:21<JL_>pretty straightforward really. Just don't RAID swap (useless as it is ephemeral data)
10:21<brusqe>awesome, thanks for the link
10:21<JL_>took me perhaps 20 min to do the whole install with RAID 1
10:21<brusqe>I could only find http://howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch (not a fresh install)
10:21<brusqe>and this (http://www200.pair.com/mecham/raid/raid1-page3.html) which seems super verbose, but it got the point across
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10:22<adelgado>so any advise in how to migrate the user accounts from RH to Debian :( sorry to keep asking...
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10:22<chealer>jorge: your question (why would a hex value not be regular text)?
10:22<chealer>...is unclear
10:23<jorge> sed 's/\xC2\x85/.../g'
10:24<jorge>that is the solution
10:24<jorge>the three dots appear with strange symbol in a text file
10:24<JL_>what do you mean moving accouns? the directories should move then move the /etc/ password group shadow, etc files
10:24<jorge>and that strange sysmbol was C3 85 hexadecimal values
10:25<adelgado>yeah basically the /home dir along with the user accounts and passwords
10:25<jorge>I needed to convert in three dots
10:25*brusqe is outta here
10:25<brusqe>thanks a lot for you help guys.
10:25<brusqe>Very informative.
10:25<adelgado>i was fallowing up a tutorial http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-move-migrate-user-accounts-old-to-new-server/
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10:26<adelgado>but i got stock when i found out that the defual UID for RH is 500
10:26<adelgado>and for debian is 1000
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10:28<JL_>and is 500 taken on your debian? if not well make default 500 on debian
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10:29<adelgado>yeah thats correct .... LOL :) exactly...
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10:29<adelgado>i did not think about that
10:29<adelgado>:(
10:29<JL_>otherwise make an entry for default and chown -R the directoy
10:29<adelgado>cool
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10:30<adelgado>thanks...for the info
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10:32<JL_>yw
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11:01<cast_>hey folks, how do i set aptitudes conf to not install recommends. i put 'Aptitude::Recommends-Important "false";' in /etc/apt/apt.conf with no luck. basically i want aptitude install to always behave as aptitude -R install.
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11:03<cast_>Apt::Install-Recommends maybe
11:03<Hideo>cast_: try Install-Recommends "0"; inside APT
11:04<cast_>manpage for -R refered to Aptitude::Recommends-Important which is how i got on that track
11:04<cast_>what man page has all these written in it?
11:05<padski>man aptitiude
11:05<cast_>Install-Recommends does not occur on that page
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11:06<Hideo>cast_: "apt-config dump" they should be fairly self-explanatory, I don't know which man page has them either
11:06<cast_>Hideo: no luck in apt.conf
11:06<Hideo>cast_: works for apt-get for me
11:06<cast_>hmm
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11:07<cast_>k got it :)
11:07<cast_>had aptitude instead of APT
11:07<cast_>apt-config dump is handy.
11:08<kop>I'm running apt-cacher and when the daily cron job runs /usr/share/apt-cacher/apt-cacher-cleanup.pl I get 3 messages like "Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/apt-cacher/apt-cacher-lib.pl line 136, <$listpipe> line 1841." I'm running etch. What does this mean and/or what can I do to make it go away?
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11:09<kop>It didn't used to do this, but a couple of days ago the mirror I use went away for a few hours and the messages started showing up in the nightly cron email.
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11:13<debacle>hi all, can anyone help me with iptables and the mangle table please ?
11:13<kop>!ask
11:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
11:13<padski>debacle, although you mifght also consider #iptables
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11:14<debacle>i need to mark web packets as 1 and i'm using this command: iptables -t mangle -I INPUT --dport 80 -j MARK --set-mark 1
11:14<debacle>it report me error: iptables v1.4.0: Unknown arg `--dport'
11:15<debacle>padsky: is #iptables also on irc.debian.org ??
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11:17<kop>debacle: I don't know this stuff off the top of my head but some options need modules loaded to work. Try adding '-m dccp' to load the dccp module.
11:18<padski>debacle, perhaps iptables -t mangle -I INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j MARK --set-mark 0x1
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11:20<debacle>padsky: it works !!! it was "1" instead of "0x1"
11:20<debacle>pasky: thank you !
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11:20<padski>debacle, you are welcome
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11:21<padski>debacle, I think that channel must be on freenode, it doesn't seem to be here :-)
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11:22<debacle>padsky: thanks again, i saw you logging in and out on #iptables @ irc.debian.org
11:23<kopf>hmm i guess there ist an debian channel on freenode to
11:23<kopf>o
11:23<debacle>kopf: i'll google about it !
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11:27<hellues>!paste
11:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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11:31<kop>debacle : I just did a slightly less restrictive google search and found a debian bug. 478122
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11:32<debacle>kop: mmm ... let me see ... just a sec !
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11:33<sam__>I want to use firefox on debian, but since version of GTK+ in debian is only 2.8, I cannot run it because firefox requires 2.10 or newer ...
11:33<aptituz>hu?
11:33<sep>sam__, aptitude install iceweasel
11:33<sam__>seems the last resort is installing the testing...
11:33<jaakko>sam__: do you know iceweasel? it is firefox with different name
11:33<debacle>kop: is it Bug#478122: apt-cacher: "uninitialized value" in cleanup
11:33<debacle>??
11:34<makke>i think sam__ means the new firefox3 rc
11:34<aptituz>seems to be a typo? because 2.8 is obvious higher as 2.10 isn't it?
11:34<aptituz>hm.. probably not
11:34<sam__>yeah, I'm trying to run ff3 rc1
11:35<makke>aptituz: 8 < 10 isnt it? ;)
11:35<sam__>iceweasel? I don't know that...
11:35<morphium>how long will it take until haproxy 1.3.15 will be in etch?
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11:36<ybani>Hi All .. I installed libopensrs-perl pkg How can I use it ?
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11:36<aptituz>makke: well depends. normally 2.8 stands for 2.80, which means 2.10 is lower, unless you have strange versions
11:37<kop>debacle : Yes
11:37<aptituz>makke: (normally meaning in mathematical sense off course ;)
11:37<makke>aptituz: ok, you are right, but i think he really means 8 and 10 and not 80 and 10 :)
11:38<morphium>how long will it take until haproxy 1.3.15 will be in etch?
11:38<aptituz>makke: yeah, thats why I said "17:34 < aptituz> hm.. probably not" hehe
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11:39<aptituz>morphium: repeating your question doesn't enhance your chance to get an answer
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11:40<debacle>kop: excuse me, but ... has this any relation to my question about iptables and packet marking ??
11:40<padski>morphium, looks like haproxy-1.3.14.3 is in lenny
11:40<kop>morphium : You can look an see if it's in etchnhalf or lenny or sid. Then when those become stable it'll be in stable. Otherwise it'll only go into a release called etch if it's in etchnhalf.
11:40<aptituz>morphium: but as it is not yet in etch (which is a stable release and therefore does not get updates except for security and major issues) it will not get into etch anyways.
11:40<kop>!etchnhalf
11:40<dpkg>etchnhalf is probably "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/
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11:40<kop>debacle : No.
11:41<aptituz>kop: I don't think that haproxy is about supporting new hardware, is it?
11:41<kop>debacle : Thought you were responding to my question. :)
11:41<padski>are new packages (that aren't new depends/recommends) even going into etchnhalf ?
11:41<kop>aptituz : Dunno. But the etchnhalf stuff will wind up in etch.
11:41<ybani>Hi All .. I need ur help ..I installed libopensrs-perl pkg How can I use it ?
11:41<aptituz>padski: unlikely
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11:42<padski>ybani, for your mta ?
11:42<aptituz>its meant to provide support for newer hardware, not breaking release policies
11:42<debacle>kop: do not worry. :-) sorry but i can't help you :-(
11:43<morphium>padski yes 14.3 is in lenny, but not 15
11:43<morphium>so when will it be updated?
11:43<padski>morphium, dunno. ask the maintainers perhaps.
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11:45<morphium>who is the responsible maintainer?
11:45<padski>morphium, you can mail the packagename @d.o
11:45<sam__>Is it possible to use Synaptic Pakage Manager to install the testing version of libgtk?
11:45<padski>morphium, or perhaps file a wishlist bug against the package pointing out the upstream release
11:46<jaakko>padski: yes, but you could try also download the iceweasel source and compile
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11:46<jaakko>padski: sorry, ment for sam__
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11:47<sam__>jaakko: ah... I have not even installed gcc yet
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11:48<jaakko>sam__: you get it done easily.. but I don't know what version is in etc/lenny/sid, and tired for googling now
11:48<jaakko>sam__: do you really need the latest ff?
11:49<sam__>jaakko: actually I don't need it
11:49<sam__>jaakko: just for fun
11:50<jaakko>sam__: yeh, ok, I just asked, if you didn't know about iceweasel and just ended up installing latest..
11:50<jaakko>sam__: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/iceweasel
11:52<ybani>padski : sorry i was on phone ..mta ?
11:52<padski>!mta
11:52<dpkg>mta is, like, Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/lib/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask about <mta comparison> and <why an mta>.
11:53<ybani>padski : opensrs.net
11:54<ybani>padski : for registar , renew domain .....
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11:55<sam__>jaakko: I have installed a stable version of iceweasel, and I think I can put up with it
11:55<ybani>padski :
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11:58<jaakko>sam__: ok, debian seems to have bad dependency"hell". Perhaps there are solutions, but a lot of to learn..
11:58<pleb2>hey all, what do you guys think of DTC????
11:58<pleb2>is it worth using?
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12:01<sam2>jaakko: you're right...
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12:01<padski>ybani, sorry, I wa thinking of libmail-srs-perl. creation of new Three Letter Acronyms needs to be banned :-)
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12:02<sam2>somehow I cannot get the information of libgtk-2.10 (should be testing) in Synaptic Package Manager, is that normal?
12:03<petemc>!info libgtk-2.10 testing
12:04<petemc>17:03 <dpkg> Package 'libgtk-2.10' does not exist.
12:04<fxiny>so no lenny firebus3-rc1 ?
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12:04<padski>firebus ?
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12:05<fxiny>yes
12:05<sam2>I don't know the exact name of libgtk
12:05<sam2>I just searched it using keyword "libgtk"
12:05<padski>fxiny, is that like a segway, but larger ?
12:05<fxiny>i have compiled gtk2.10 on etch to test firebus
12:05<fxiny>padski: hahaha a seg yeahhh :)
12:06<fxiny>padski: a double-decker as in javacrap2 ;)
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12:08<fxiny>gtk+-2.10.14.tar.bz2 compiles just fine on etch
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12:11<fxiny>if gmail big brother is listening : what about ringing bpo for a backport ? etch customers are joining yahoo-bus :P
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12:15<padski>fxiny, gmail sees all ;-)
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12:15<fxiny>padski: i know :)
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12:17<fxiny>padski: i bet bpo CEO is waiting for the gog-magog damned call ;)
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12:39<DV2K8>hi
12:40<DV2K8>did some certificate LPIC?
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12:57<pcc>how do I uninstall a package despite the postrm script returning an error?
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12:57<pcc>that would be prerm
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13:03<debacle>question: can anyone advice me a small & light mail client (with pop/smtp support) for commandline ?
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13:04<pcc>pcc: edit the prerm script to exit 0
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13:05<Jn>can I install etch with 16 MB Ram?
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13:07<noflash>Jn, probably not
13:07<noflash>try dsl or get mor ram
13:07<noflash>mor/more
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13:09<Jn>getting more ram isn't really possible, since it's a special type of ram
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13:10<dmz>howdy y'all, anyone know if the openssl random issue update for openvpn means i have to regenerate all my certificate keys?
13:10<mikegrb>yes
13:10<dmz>bugger
13:11<dmz>i've got 3000+ keys to regenerate now
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13:11<debacle>Jn: if you need no GUI you can install it ... but make a large swap partition. Anyway performances will not be at top with only 16 MB ram
13:11<JL>hello. I run lenny. Why does aptitude asks me to insert my debian install disk?
13:11<dmz>and distribute to non-accessible nodes :(
13:11<dmz>JL your /etc/apt/sources.list still lists cd as a source
13:12<JL>cool thanks
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13:13<Jn>does the kernel of etch supports 16 MB?
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13:14<Jn>either way the installer needs 32MB unless I try to install it with another machine (which i already did)
13:14<dmz>this really blows, why would a developer change key generation? what in openssl was not good enough for debian
13:14<dmz>sigh
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13:16<jaakko>Jn: Debian without gui runs under 16, but don't know about booting
13:16<JL>I read the random number generator was predictable ... hence the keys would be crackable
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13:17<jaakko>Jn: you should compile a small kernel, as it is many megabytes, with initrd they are usually a lot..
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13:18<debacle>Jn: if i remember well you have to install prevoius version and then compile you own kernel. then you can update to etch
13:18<fxiny>debacle: light smtp client ?
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13:19<debacle>fxiny: not only smpt client but a mail client. Many times i do not get with me my notebook and i'd like to easyly send/receive mails from server
13:20<jaakko>debacle: install mutt, if you can edit .muttrc and google :)
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13:20<fxiny>mutt . msmtp is a light smtp client
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13:21<jaakko>debacle: it has support for IMAP
13:21<debacle>fxiny: can i mail to microsoft asking for a Microsoft Outlook XP for linux cmd ??? :-)
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13:22<fxiny>debacle: mutt rulez , i use mutt+fetchmail+procmail+bogogilter+postfix , msmtp for google
13:22<debacle>fxiny/jakkoo: thanks ... mutt ... i heard about it !
13:22<fxiny>you heard ?
13:22<fxiny>sacrilege !
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13:24<debacle>fxiny: sorry man ... usually i use thunderbird
13:24<fxiny>s/bogogilter/bogofilter
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13:24<fxiny>debacle: thunderbus ? next tell me you telnet :P
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13:25<fxiny>debacle: ;)
13:26<debacle>fxiny: i 'm tired telnetting pop3 servers ! :-)
13:26<fxiny>debacle: heheheh
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13:28<debacle>fxiny: does mutt have a calendar, spell corrector, html doc/xls/ppt support and bell and whistels? like micro$oft ??
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13:29<fxiny>debacle: ls -al ~/.mutt | wc -l >> 16
13:30<debacle>fxiny: i think i cannot live anymore witout a paperclip telling me all what i have to do ! OK i'll stop here ! :-D
13:30<fxiny>debacle: you can do just with a .muttrc
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13:30<fxiny>debacle: mutt is one of the best app ever
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13:31<debacle>fxiny: you won ! apt-get install mutt ! thank you man !
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13:31<SullenMoon>bleh
13:31<SullenMoon>apt-get install fglrx-driver fglrx-kernel-src == fail
13:31<fxiny>debacle: a paper clip ? devtodo , note or if you like beer : emacs ;)
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13:32<debacle>fxiny: :-D
13:33<jaakko>debacle: actually you can use mutt to open html in iceweasel
13:33<fxiny>yes
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13:33<jaakko>debacle: and you can write your notes with vim :D
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13:34<fxiny>urlview , muttprofile
13:34<fxiny>vim ?
13:34<fxiny>never heard of it : is it new ?
13:34<debacle>jakko: vim... i like it but do not require 2GB ram to start up !
13:34<jaakko>fxiny: just joking.. primitive editor. The oldest
13:34<jaakko>fxiny: after ed
13:35<fxiny>jaakko: heheheh , i use vim :)
13:35<fxiny>ed ?
13:35<fxiny>hellues: i use jed , nice color . a bit buggy
13:35<jaakko>fxiny: are you joking again? :D
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13:35<fxiny>ops
13:35<fxiny>hellues: tab complation on my way
13:35<hellues>oki no problem :D
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13:36<wnd>vim, mutt and zsh are the way to go
13:37<jaakko>debacle: I use Vim for writing email in mutt (.muttrc editor=vim?). And Vim can have spell check, syntax higlighting.. :)
13:37<jaakko>debacle: but you can use any text editor with mutt.
13:37<fxiny>debacle: check out abook
13:38<debacle>jaakko: intresting ... i'm reading mutt manpage !
13:38<fxiny>jaakko: nahhh , vim is the best for small editing like that
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13:39<wnd>bah, vim is the best for editing of any kind, shape, or colour
13:39<fxiny>wnd: zsh ? unusual
13:40<wnd>some people consider mutt to be unusual
13:40<fxiny>who ?
13:40<wnd>on channels that I frequent, I could name many
13:40<Ganneff>mutt *is* unusable.
13:40<Ganneff>same as vim.
13:40<wnd>but those people prefer pine and pico/nano anyway so they're out of count
13:41<Ganneff>but this is not the channel for those discussions
13:41<wnd>editor wars!
13:41<fxiny>mutt rulez
13:41<wnd>mua wars!
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13:42<fxiny>mutt , screen and irssi : the unix trimurty
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13:43<fxiny>well , irssi is too young :P
13:43<jaakko>fxiny: linux trimurty
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13:44<bjaton>Is that a correct source.list file for unstable ?
13:44<bjaton><bjaton> deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib
13:44<bjaton><bjaton> deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib
13:44<bjaton><bjaton> deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib
13:44<bjaton><bjaton> deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib
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13:44<fxiny>jaakko: yes
13:45<fxiny>bjaton: you are mixing testing and unstable
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13:46<bjaton>fxiny : what are the source for security unstable?
13:46-!-telenieko [~marc@240.Red-213-96-49.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
13:46<jaakko>bjaton: it is not a system for serious use..
13:47<bjaton>i m an idiot:)
13:47<bjaton>thanks
13:47<fxiny>bjaton: there is no security for unstable . mantainers fix every couple of seconds ;)
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13:47<telenieko>Hi. I'm trying to get my external monitor (on the laptop) detected by Xrandr, but it will never show it when running "xrandr". I'm using lenny+sid, "nv" (opensource) driver. Any clues?
13:48<cahoot>xrandr --output VGA --auto ?
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13:48<telenieko>cahoot I tried it
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13:48<fxiny>bjaton: no . you are not an idiot : many ppl keep security for etch non-free :)
13:48<cahoot>err - you mean xrdandr -q doesn't show it connected?
13:49<telenieko>cahoot It only talks about "Screen-0" it doesn't even mention other outputs
13:49<SullenMoon>Yay!
13:49<SullenMoon>fglrx blank screen!
13:49<SullenMoon>Anyone have ideas..?
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14:02<pfoo>Hi, I'm trying to install debian lenny using the netboot installer, and i get the following error :
14:02<pfoo>No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive.
14:02<pfoo>Do someone know what's going on ?
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14:03<jthomas>pfoo: after changing the sources.list file, did you apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ?
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14:03<pfoo>it's a fresh install, i'm booting using linux and initrd.gz from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/
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14:04<jthomas>sorry, I've not tried that before, I've always installed the Stable and upgraded from there...
14:04<path>hi there
14:04<wurstwolf>hi all
14:05<wurstwolf>can anyone recommend a command line media player?
14:05<fxiny>xmms2
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14:05<jthomas>mp3123 maybe
14:05<path>is there a way to know what version is behind a server? netcraft like
14:05<fxiny>mplayer
14:05<wurstwolf>ok, ill try xmms2
14:06<wurstwolf>thanks
14:06<pfoo>jthomas, i think that's what i'm going to do, i got this error since yesterday ...
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14:12<drthodt_>anyone installed hurd yet
14:12<erKURITA>hurd?
14:13<erKURITA>what's that
14:13<fxiny>not yet
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14:16<drthodt_>debian k10
14:16<drthodt_>based off of gnu hurd
14:16<drthodt_>im trying to do it right now and it fails me
14:16<drthodt_>the mini iso is wayt oo complex
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14:17<berto>I did it some time ago
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14:17<drthodt_>i can initialize my swap and root fs
14:17<berto>you just had to unpack a .tar.bz2 inside an ext3 filesystem
14:18<berto>and that was it
14:18<drthodt_>but i cant get it to install base
14:18<rektide>what is a good app for ripping audio cd's ?
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14:18<fxiny>abcde
14:18<rektide>ty
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14:19<fxiny>np
14:19<sam2>I have set the maximum resolution of X-window to be 1064x768 when I installed debian
14:19<drthodt_>1024? or 64?
14:19<sam2>but now I want to reset it to higher resolution
14:20<sam2>sorry, 1024x768
14:20<drthodt_>edit your config
14:20<sam2>I have edited the xorg.conf
14:20<sam2>I replaced every "1024x768" with "1440x900"
14:20<sam2>which is the resolution I prefer now
14:21<sam2>but it simply didn't work
14:21<drthodt_>does your video driver support that resolution
14:21<sam2>actually I'm using VMWare
14:21<sam2>I'm using this resolution in host OS
14:22-!-mode/#debian [+l 408] by debhelper
14:22<sam2>and I have tried xrandr
14:22<noflash>!tell sam2 -about vmware
14:22<erKURITA>VMware's device does not always allow you to adopt the resolution of your host
14:22<sam2>it did work, but...
14:23<sam2>when I'm using fvwm, I maximized the a window
14:24<sam2>and the window just maximized to 1024x768, instead of 1440x900
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14:26<zepard>hi people
14:26<sam2>and Ubuntu works well in 1440x900
14:26<drthodt_>copy its xorg conf
14:26<drthodt_>see if it makes a diff
14:27<sam2>ah... I have deleted that virtual machine already to save space...
14:30<zepard>I cleaned my laptop yesterday and today its overheating : 64-70°c it was 52-60°c before. the fan is still working but a lot more with these temperature any idea about this, is itsoftware problem
14:30<zepard>or hardware
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14:30<zepard>no its hardware problem.
14:31<zepard>even setting up the bios makes the fan working a lot
14:32<zepard>what happened with with my computer?
14:32<ru`>what do I need to install to watch DVDs in Debian?
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14:32<drthodt_>vlc
14:32<ru`>I have VLC + libdvdcss and it doesn't work properly
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14:33<drthodt_>whats it doing
14:33<ru`>in VLC the picture quality is very bad, the sound jumps and in the console it says stuff like: [00000383] a52 decoder: A/52 channels:6 samplerate:48000 bitrate:448000
14:33<ru`>No accelerated IMDCT transform found
14:33<ru`>[00000382] main decoder error: decoder is leaking pictures, resetting the heap
14:34<SullenMoon>soiunds like memory issues
14:34<ru`>I tried to ask in #videolan on freenode but no one is helping
14:34<SullenMoon>whether it's on your video card or mb
14:34<SullenMoon>do memtest86 ;)
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14:35<ru`>other players don't play properly either, in kaffiene it says The source seems encrypted, and can't be read.
14:35<ru`>Your DVD is probably crypted. According to your country laws, you can or can't use libdvdcss to be able to read this disc. (Media stream scrambled/encrypted)
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14:35<SullenMoon>ru...
14:35<SullenMoon>silly goose
14:36<SullenMoon>if you uninstalled all of your junk
14:36<SullenMoon>and added the vlc debs
14:36<SullenMoon>then apt-get install vlc
14:36<SullenMoon>should work amazingly from the get go
14:36<SullenMoon>use aptitude//synaptic and remove vlc completely
14:36<SullenMoon>and try again with the vlc debs
14:37<SullenMoon>sounds like you installed it manually
14:37<SullenMoon>and either dind't link some stuff
14:37<SullenMoon>or did a real ugly job
14:37<SullenMoon>apt-get is your friend.
14:37<ru`>I installed vlc from the debian repos
14:37<SullenMoon>Want a handerchief to cry with?
14:37<SullenMoon>use the vlc debs
14:38<SullenMoon>handkerchief* :D
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14:42<ru`>SullenMoon, from where
14:42<SullenMoon>let me get the one I'm using
14:42<SullenMoon>one sec ;)
14:43<guillaume_>what's the command in order to force a reinstall for acpid ?
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14:43<SullenMoon>booting my server.. been fighting a problem myself
14:44<SullenMoon>fglrx is HATING me.
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14:45<gloin>anyone seen a fix for libapache-mod-php5 depending on php5-common (= 5.2.0-10+lenny1) broken dep?
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14:45<gloin>I can't get mod_php5 to install due to this bug
14:45<SullenMoon>deb http://download.vdeolan.org/pub/videoland/debian sid main
14:46<SullenMoon>and the same site as deb-src
14:46<SullenMoon>gloin I was having issues with php5 as well with apache
14:46<SullenMoon>what I did was uninstall everything with synaptic
14:46<deb>hi
14:46<SullenMoon>completely removed all of it
14:46<gloin>that's not really an option for me :)
14:47<deb>so freinds wats going on ?
14:47<gloin>too many other things would break if I took apache out
14:47<SullenMoon>and then reinstallled it with aptitude...
14:47<gloin>plus this is a headless box so no synaptic
14:47<SullenMoon>then use aptitude
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14:47<gloin>hrm
14:47<gloin>it's just a broken package
14:47<SullenMoon>just telling you how it worked for me
14:47<SullenMoon>fought that same issue a week ago
14:48<ru`>SullenMoon, W: Failed to fetch http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found
14:48<SullenMoon>did a full apt-get remove --purge apache and php5
14:48<drthodt_>how do you see what packages are installed
14:49<SullenMoon>deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/ debian sid main
14:49<SullenMoon>u sure you're using that?
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14:49<SullenMoon>also include
14:49<SullenMoon>deb-src http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/ debian sid main
14:49<SullenMoon>no space here
14:49<SullenMoon>this was a mistake
14:49<SullenMoon>http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sid main
14:49<ru`>I copied it from the VLC website
14:49<widrones>only binary -i386 and -powerpc on that server thu
14:49<ru`>I also tried that earlier
14:49<erKURITA>sid? are you sure?
14:49<SullenMoon>positive.
14:49<widrones>they dont have it sompiled for all archs
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14:51<chealer>gloin: libapache-mod-php5 is obsolete. use Apache 2 instead.
14:51<gloin>chealer: that'd mean apache 1.3 is obsolete
14:51<gloin>you sure about that?
14:51<chealer>gloin: yes. it's deprecated in Debian lenny anyway.
14:52<SullenMoon>for apache 1.3 just don't use the mod-lib use the binary if you want to use apache 1.3
14:52<gloin>hrm
14:52<gloin>deprecated!=obsolete
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14:52<gloin>SullenMoon: can you expand on that thought a bit?
14:52<drthodt_>alot of people like apache 1.3
14:53<SullenMoon>Bleh. Well if you're having serious issues (constantly) with the mod-lib then just install php5 seperately and use the binary
14:53<SullenMoon>you have to then set apache 1.3 to use that path as the cgi
14:53<chealer>gloin: well the Debian libapache-mod-php5 package is really obsolete in lenny. apache 1 is simply not packaged anymore, so it's deprecated.
14:53<gloin>hadn't had problems until I upgraded to Lenny and found this ROM/stale package problem
14:53<guillaume_>dpkg fail to reinstall acpid how can I solve that ?
14:54<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, guillaume_
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14:54<gloin>chealer: do you happen to have a link to discussion where debian decided to drop support for Apache 1.3 in Lenny?
14:54<gloin>that's kind of a huge step
14:54*qq ban guillaume_
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14:55<chealer>gloin: did you check http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418266 ?
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14:55<gloin>missed that
14:55<gloin>holy hell
14:56<gloin>that's bloody insane
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14:57<gloin>was there not some discussion about whether this was wise? I seriously doubt that rom was the result of the action of one person alone
14:58<erKURITA>it sounds like
14:59<gloin>I mean, who declared it to be obsolete? Particularly when apache.org still maintains it.
14:59<drthodt_>I'm so glad the 80's aren't around
14:59<drthodt_>I can't stand the casio midi keyboard crap
14:59<SullenMoon>Word.
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15:00<drthodt_>its been playing at the end of this show for 1 minute, and I already want to mame and murder
15:02<chealer>gloin: there were 2 people that requested the removal: Moritz Muehlenhoff from the security team and Thom May from the Apache maintenance team
15:02<gloin>chealer: was there public discussion?
15:03<gloin>(and no, reportbug RoM does not count as discussion)
15:04<chealer>gloin: the bug/removal request was public. there was no opposition.
15:05<drthodt_>i just upgraded my computer
15:05<drthodt_>its a phone
15:05<drthodt_>rofl comedy centrals address the mess commercial
15:05<gloin>hrm, most likely because the bug requests were buried in the overall bug requests
15:05<gloin>that seems an odd way of going about declaring the termination of a rather major component
15:06<drthodt_>where you been though
15:06<drthodt_>asking about it in lenny
15:06<drthodt_>im running etch
15:06<gloin>This box was sarge once upon a time
15:06<chealer>gloin: the bug was filed at serious severity. whoever follows http://bts.turmzimmer.net/ saw it
15:06<maxb>"pache 1.3 is obsolete and should not be included in Lenny, which would require to support it at least until 2011." - that's pretty clear, really.
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15:07<drthodt_>we be upgrad-in 24/7 son
15:07<drthodt_>fosho
15:07<maxb>It seems questionable whether upstream would support it for another three years
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15:08<SullenMoon>I hate fglrx.
15:08<gloin>oi, that's going to cause utter hell when Lenny goes stable.
15:08<SullenMoon>2.6.18 works but MESA only
15:08<maxb>I can't fault the security team for declining to maintain an ancient version of apache
15:08<SullenMoon>2.6.24 FAILS CRASH BLACK SCREEN HARD HALT!
15:08<SullenMoon>heck yes!
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15:08<gloin>apache maintains it...
15:09<gloin>hrm
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15:09<maxb><maxb> It seems questionable whether upstream would support it for another three years
15:09<maxb>(my opinion, anyway)
15:09<gloin>Like I say, be prepared for a s___storm when Lenny goes to stable
15:09<gloin>there are a lot of folks that continue to use 1.3 for various reasons
15:09<SullenMoon>There
15:09<drthodt_>i say we all go back to 1.0
15:09<maxb>If someone is stubbornly refusing to upgrade their Apache, why are they willing to upgrade their OS ?
15:09<SullenMoon>are people who still prefer midi too.
15:09<drthodt_>special anniversary 1.0 release
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15:10<drthodt_>all softyware is version 1.0!
15:10<gloin>12:10 Ignoring ALL from drthodt_
15:10<drthodt_>my feelings are... are.... :(
15:10<drthodt_>unchanged
15:10<jthomas>I agree, Apache is old at this point, and Apache2 is the replacement. Apache1 can still be used if you wanted to create a package for it, I am sure... but I don't think its Debian maintainers' fault for not wanting to support an older piece of code that has been superceded.
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15:10<drthodt_>agreed
15:10<gloin>maxb: 1.3 has been working just fine, was no need to upgrade. There were other things in debian worth upgrading. Wasn't fixing what wasn't broken, is all.
15:11<SullenMoon>Good point Gloin!
15:11<guillaume_>dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq -P acpid -> http://pastebin.com/m6eaeaf86
15:11<SullenMoon>Well the FGLRX driver IS broken
15:11<dpkg>guillaume_: You are moron #7
15:11<SullenMoon>any ideas?
15:11<drthodt_>i dont think its their responsibility to maintain any of it
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15:12<drthodt_>the simple fact is as long as debian integrates gnu/linux and provides the apt system ultimately they serve their role
15:12<drthodt_>anything beyond that supporting packages ideally for it
15:12<drthodt_>is a benefit
15:13<maxb>It seems odd to me to apply a vastly more conservative upgrade policy to your httpd than your OS.
15:13<drthodt_>if apache 1.3 was that widely supported it wouldnt have been deprecated and removed
15:13<maxb>Both are, after all, pretty important.
15:13<gloin>True. Again, it goes back to what was working, and secure.
15:13<drthodt_>apache22 is secure
15:13<gloin>Now if apache.org has announced plans to EOL apache1, it makes sense to do away with it
15:13<SullenMoon>DOS si secure too
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15:14<SullenMoon>almost no security issues
15:14<gloin>but keep in mind that means reconfiguring people's httpds
15:14<ernijs>te kāds runā latviski?
15:14<SullenMoon>I wouldn't be surprised if someone has made a 1.3 -> 2.2 .sh script
15:14<maxb>Well, look at the exact wording of the RoM bug - keeping it in lenny would be an implicit commitment to support until 2011 - I would not gamble that it will not be EOL-ed upstream by then.
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15:15<gloin>has anyone checked with the apache foundation to see if this is more than speculation?
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15:20<gloin>ernijs: I am not here to discuss ubuntu, nor am I particularly interested in your CTCP pinging of me
15:20<ernijs>sory
15:22<drthodt_>ignore gloin hes pmsing
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15:32<SullenMoon>Anyone have luck getting the ATI kernel module to install on debian with 2.6.24?
15:32<olkol>SullenMoon: fglrx ?
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15:32<ru`>is there a way to remove all packages installed from a repository?
15:32<SullenMoon>Yea, fglrx
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15:33<olkol>i'm running it under sidux with latest fglrx 8-4
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15:33<SullenMoon>I keep getting [Error] Kernel Moduke: Failed to compile kernel module - please consult readme.
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15:35<olkol>can not tell much about it, just ran the installer and that's it, only heard that 2.6.25 support is broken
15:35<SullenMoon>Man
15:35<SullenMoon>I've done the installer
15:35<SullenMoon>when that failed
15:35<SullenMoon>did the install wtih envy
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15:36<SullenMoon>then tried with the apt-get as well with the non-free sid's
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15:42<dark-a>hey guyz..
15:42<dark-a>is has openssl update been released ?
15:43<dark-a>is version 0.9.8g effected
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15:44<avu>dark-a, look at the advisory..
15:44<avu>For the stable distribution (etch), these problems have been fixed in
15:44<avu>version 0.9.8c-4etch3.
15:44<avu>For the unstable distribution (sid) and the testing distribution
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15:45<avu>ok, I had that comming :)
15:45<avu>dark-a, the missing line: (lenny), these problems have been fixed in version 0.9.8g-9.
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15:48<dark-a>0.9.8g-(9) or anything up to !
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15:53<dark-a>well thanks avu
15:53<dark-a>thanks for ur help m8
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16:04<drthodt_>>_< hurd
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16:07<deserteagle>does anyone know how to reconfigure the "Program Files" menu for wine under Applications?
16:07<deserteagle>i erased mine accidentally and now every app that i install won't show up in the menu
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16:09<deserteagle>i recreated the menu but it still doesn't work, could someone maybe tell me what shows up under their wine menu please? iirc it had a # sign before the menu entry
16:11<deserteagle>wait...
16:11<deserteagle>what the hell channel am i in? o_O
16:11<deserteagle>sorry folks
16:12<deserteagle>what server am i even in? O_O
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16:16<SullenMoon>Anyone willing to help take a crack at finding out why fglrx is giving me the black screen/hard halt?
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16:33<joao>JUJUBA
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16:35<grummund_>hmm, is there a command that will tell on which partition a directory physically exists without having to manually trace symlinks and inspect mount points?
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16:39<witte>grummund_: fuser?
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16:40<grummund_>fuser - identify processes using files or sockets
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16:40<grummund_>i think not... but there must be a way
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16:41<joao> JUJUBA Brasil team
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16:44<olkol>SullenMoon: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26853&postcount=134 if this is your problem
16:44<grummund_>witte: basically i was trying to diagnose "No space left on device" errors, but it now occurs to me there's plenty of space on the partition but i run out of inodes
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16:46<drthodt_>gnu hurd is not easy to setup >_<
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16:48<witte>grummund_: df -h shows you normally which devices are full
16:49<witte>grummund_: ok, misread your last message
16:49<joao>debian-offtopic
16:49<blackgoth>your disk needs addional pylons
16:49<grummund_>witte: yep.
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16:52<grummund_>aha!
16:52*grummund_ commits df -ih to memory
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16:53<grummund_>/dev/hda9 597K 597K 0 100% /home
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16:53<grummund_>/dev/hda9 4.6G 2.1G 2.3G 49% /home
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16:58<masterloki>hey, is this the proper way to pin the kernel-image??
16:58<masterloki>Package: linux-image
16:58<masterloki>Pin: version 2.6.22*
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16:58<witte>grummund_: what do you do to get 100 % inodes used on your home disk?
16:58<ikks>Hi, I regenerated my server ssh dsa & rsa, but I'm getting Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer . I'm on etch
16:58<ikks>http://dpaste.com/51483/
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16:58<ikks>any hint?
16:59<grummund_>witte: i've been hacking together a script to pull images off an ip video server
16:59<grummund_>obviously i need a separate partition for that... ;-/
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17:10<grummund_>hmmm, is there a max inodes *per* *directory* limit, as well as per partition?
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17:12<guillaume_>is it possible to get temporary aptitude output messages in english without change locale settings ?
17:13<zepard>hi I changed my keyboard layout to a simili dvorak but remains a problem. the layout is not loaded until I log in? any idea to load it at startup
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17:17<kop>zepard : install-keymap
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17:17<zepard>?
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17:19<kop>zepard : You asked a question. That's the answer.
17:20<zepard>ok
17:20<zepard>i google it
17:20<zepard>thx
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17:24<witte>guillaume_: iirc: LANG=C aptitude install something
17:25<guillaume_>I need to fix a package but debian tools fail to solve the prblem can anybody help me to solve that ? http://pastebin.com/m4292ba75
17:25<guillaume_>witte: thank you I use export to change it :)
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17:28<witte>guillaume_: what does "/etc/init.d/acpid restart" give you?
17:30<guillaume_>witte: http://pastebin.com/m6f309ab3
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17:31<guillaume_>witte: hwclock refuse to work even with --directisa (I've got a dell laptop)
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17:33<witte>guillaume_: i do not really have an idea? do you have a custom kernel?
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17:33<guillaume_>acpid stay half-installed, no it's sd one : Linux dell-xps 2.6.25-2-amd64 #1 SMP Wed May 14 14:04:05 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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17:35<witte>guillaume_: look if you have the necessary modules loaded (like acpi etc
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17:35<guillaume_>witte: moreover some days ago hwclock was running perfectly well...
17:35<olkol>i get "perl: warning: Setting locale failed" and "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory", dpkg-reconfigure locales did not help. What could i do?
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17:37<guillaume_>witte: I add lsmod output http://pastebin.com/d69460ddc
17:38<witte>guillaume_: well, i really have no idea where to start searching for this...
17:38<guillaume_>witte: nevermind thank you for your help :)
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17:38<blackgoth>what the?!
17:39<blackgoth> CC [M] drivers/net/via-rhine.o
17:39<blackgoth>Broadcast message from root@roomsoes (pts/1) (Mon May 19 23:49:23 2008):
17:39<blackgoth>The system is going down for reboot NOW!
17:39<blackgoth> CC [M] drivers/net/via-velocity.o
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17:39<blackgoth>oops
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17:42<Mrkva>blackgoth, someone rebooted the machine :)
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17:44<blackgoth>Mrkva: in a kernel upgrade
17:45<blackgoth>><
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17:59<blackgoth>!lenny
17:59<dpkg>methinks lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>.
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18:03<Laeborg>!etch->lenny
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18:03<Laeborg>!etch to lenny
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18:04<witte>!ping
18:04<dpkg>pong
18:04<noflash>Laeborg, /msg dpkg stable->testing
18:04<Laeborg>ah thx
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18:06<witte>!etch->lenny
18:07<witte>very strange, when i ask dpkg "etch->lenny" in a pm, it gives the answer, but not out here
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18:08<witte>!factinfo etch->lenny
18:08<dpkg>etch->lenny -- last modified 3d 4h 52m 26s ago by markybob!i=markybob@unaffiliated/markybob; it has been requested 291 times, last by witte, 2m 19s ago.
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18:25<visik7>what's wrong with those version numbers:
18:25<visik7>msn-pecan: Depends: libpurple0 (>= 1:2.4.1-1ubuntu2) but 2.4.2-1 is installed and it is kept back.
18:25<visik7>1:
18:25<visik7>sorrhy
18:26<witte>visik7: it is an ubuntu dependency
18:26<visik7>yes yes I didn't got the 1: prefix
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18:31<liam-liam>i'm having a confusing problem ... i'm running two instances of debian (x86): 1 at home, 1 at work. they were both installed at the same time (same week) about 2-1/2 years ago. i've kept up pretty well with updates, etc ... but for some reason, one instance (at work) won't advance beyond 2.6.8-3-686; at home, i'm "up to" 2.6.18-6-686. what can i do to bring them both to the same version/release? (or don't i *need* to?)
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18:32<witte>liam-liam: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 on your work box
18:32<witte>liam-liam: you will have to go through udev though
18:32<witte>liam-liam: ah, and you have the same sources.list, right?
18:32<liam-liam>that simple? (i feel stupid now)
18:32<witte>liam-liam: are you at work now?
18:33<witte>or can you access that machine?
18:33<liam-liam>yeah - my sources.list files are identical
18:33<liam-liam>i'm at home but ssh'd to work
18:33<witte>liam-liam: ok, try to install that other kernel version
18:33<liam-liam>ty! i'll give it a whirl now
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18:39<dendrite>liam-liam: BTW, there is a metapackage that depends on the latest kernel, it's possible that your work machine does not have that package?
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18:41<witte>liam-liam: no pm please
18:41<witte>liam-liam: did it install without errors?
18:42<liam-liam>i got a warning about not finding a symlink '/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/source'
18:42<liam-liam>other than that, it was clean
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18:42<witte>liam-liam: you can ignore that
18:42<liam-liam>ok; i'm about to reboot
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18:43<witte>if you have lilo you need to run that, grub should be adjusted automatically...
18:43<dendrite>liam-liam: Does the work machine have the "linux-image-2.6-686" package? That is what brings in new kernels.
18:44<liam-liam>grub
18:44<dendrite>liam-liam: By "bring in" I just mean it is adjusted to depend on the latest kernel, so having that just means it's dependencies will induce kernel upgrades.
18:46<liam-liam>ahh -- no; that pkg isn't installed
18:46<liam-liam>it is now ;)
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18:49<liam-liam>yeah; thank you! all seems good!
18:50<guillaume_>Need help with acpid install under sid : http://pastebin.com/d69460ddc
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18:55<qq>guillaume_: acpid on sid is 1.0.6-5.1: not what you shaw on link :Setting up acpid (1.0.6-7) .
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18:57<guillaume_>qq : what can do that ? my repository are unstable ones from ftp.fr.debian.org and ftp.de.debian.org
18:58<guillaume_>qq: do I have to erase apt preferences file ?
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18:59<qq>sais pas , mais use pas "exp " a la place se unstable dans soucer.list
18:59<qq> souces.list
19:00<qq> sources.list
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19:04<abrotman>!fr
19:04<dpkg>somebody said fr was Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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19:05<guillaume_>qq: I have no "exp" in my sources.list : http://pastebin.com/m3c737d27
19:05<witte>guillaume_: what is the output of "apt-ache policy acpid"
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19:06<guillaume_>witte: http://pastebin.com/d41fa0174
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19:09<witte>guillaume_: maybe it is a bug, the package is only there from the 19th
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19:10<guillaume_>witte: I open a report of it just in case
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19:10<witte>guillaume_: first check if there is none already
19:11<witte>ah, you did
19:11<witte>i see your bug report
19:11<guillaume_>witte: i check that but there's none with hwclock error output message
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19:12<witte>guillaume_: ok, and your message is sensible, i think it won't be that hard to fix, just a small bug somewhere probably...
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19:13<qq>guillaume_: what is your arch ?
19:14<guillaume_>qq: amd64
19:14<qq>ok
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19:15<guillaume_>qq: 2.6.25-2-amd64
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19:22<guillaume_>witte: what's strange is that acpid is reported by aptitude as half-installed but when I run ps -A|grep acpi I get acpi outputs (acpid, hald-addon-acpi, kacpid, kacpi_notify)
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19:24<witte>guillaume_: it never stopped running, it failed to start because it could not stop it (at least, that is my theory)
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19:25<qq>guillaume_: have you teied installin the good on from sid ?
19:25<qq>s/ teied/tried
19:26<witte>qq: it is the version that is entering sid at the moment (depending on how far your repository is updated)
19:26<guillaume_>qq: I don't understand why I obtain wrong packages fro mofficial unstable debian repository ....
19:26<php>hello what need in debian for cluster suport?
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19:27<qq>guillaume_: wget http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/acpid/acpid_1.0.6-5.1_amd64.deb
19:27<qq>and than
19:27<qq>dpkg -i acpid_1.0.6-5.1_amd64.deb
19:27*dpkg installs acpid_1.0.6-5.1_amd64.deb into qq's head with a bone saw and a few screws
19:27<php>i need developer debian cluster
19:27<guillaume_>qq: ok i'll do that right now
19:28<qq>ok
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19:30<guillaume_>qq: same error output :( :
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19:30<qq>not the same ...
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19:31<guillaume_>I will go to sleep thank you for your tips, I'll be waiting for maintainer answer to my bug report
19:31<qq>ok
19:32<qq>bonne nuit
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19:39<qq>hmmm : Package: acpid Version: 1.0.6-7 Architecture: amd64 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), lsb-base (>= 3.0-10), module-init-tools (>= 3.1-rel-2ubuntu2), sysv-rc (>= 2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu2)
19:39<qq>on a debian repos !!!!
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19:40<alaya_>anyone know of an e17 repo for unstable?
19:40<witte>!utnubu
19:40<dpkg>One of the frequent activities of Ubuntu developers is copying packages from Debian to Ubuntu. Well, Utnubu is about the reverse, copying packages from Ubuntu to Debian. Utnubu is a subproject of the Debian project. Maybe you want to visit http://wiki.debian.org/Utnubu or #debian-ubuntu
19:41<witte>alaya_: isn't e17 in debian?
19:41<alaya_>witte: hmm. oh. let's see...
19:41<alaya_>no. only 16.7.2-5.1
19:42<qq>witte: yes but not with ubuntu deps !
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19:44<witte>qq: it just needs to be above that version, probably the ubuntu version was first patched, and consequently debian packages as well: at this moment, module-init-tools are at 3.4-1
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19:46<alaya>oh crap i'm logged in twice
19:47<alaya>test
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19:48<qq>witte: yes , but now apt may use a mixed repos (ubuntu + debian) ? that is verry bad news and verry undesirable for me
19:48<alaya_>witte: here's a page i found with good info on status of e17 and debian: http://timony.com/mickzblog/2008/04/17/update-on-enlightenment-e17-for-debian/
19:51<witte>qq, no it does not, it just said that the version required must be higher than 3.1-rel-2ubuntu2 for module-init-tools, which is probably just the original debian 3.1 with some ubuntu patches applied (after being checked by the debian maintainer) and made debian packages
19:51<witte>qq: but to be sure, have a look at the changelog of that package
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19:54<witte>qq: just checked myself, don't see any reference to that package in the changelog.Debian.gz. In any case it is just saying that the version must be better/higher than that ubuntu one ;-)
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20:00<qq>witte: for me that package is a pure ubuntu package, nothing to do in a debian repos
20:00<qq>a webmaster mistake (a hope)
20:01<qq>* (I hope)
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20:12<Graveworm>Hi everyone :). I need some help with debian (etch) and samba 3... My problem are the german umlauts. I googled around for a while now, but none of the solutions worked for me. Don't know why... Maybe I'm to dumb ;(... If I set "unix charset" to "UTF8" and "display charset" also and my "LANG" setting ist "en_US:UTF8" it should work, shouldn't it?
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20:15<aloha-shin>hi everyone.
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20:15<aloha-shin>what is the command for chmod all files in a directory ?
20:16<Graveworm>chmod -r
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20:16<Graveworm>and than the ocatl you want to set
20:16<Graveworm>erm, octal
20:17<aloha-shin>i need to chmod all files rwx
20:17<aloha-shin>all files inside the ea folder
20:17<aloha-shin>chmod -r ea ?
20:18<Graveworm>so "chmod -r 777 /ea/*" to set rwx for all (user, group, other)
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20:18<aloha-shin>ok.
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20:19<aloha-shin>debian:/home# chmod -r 777 /ea/*
20:19<aloha-shin>chmod: cannot access `777': No such file or directory
20:19<aloha-shin>chmod: cannot access `/ea/*': Not a directory
20:19<aloha-shin>debian:/home#
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20:20<aloha-shin>chmod: cannot access `777': No such file or directory
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20:20<aloha-shin>chmod: cannot access `/ea/*': Not a directory
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20:20<Graveworm>damn... sry, it's a capital "r"
20:21<Graveworm>chmod -R 777 /ea/* should do
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20:21<asdfer>ist
20:21<asdfer>how can i add user as root ?
20:21<dendrite>aloha-shin: 777? are you sure?
20:21<Bruce>asdfer adduser <name>
20:22<dmz>whoa -R 777???
20:22<dendrite>Graveworm: 777 might not have been the best example value to set... %-/
20:22<dmz>not a good idea
20:22<dmz>:0
20:22<Graveworm>He asked for that ;)
20:22<aloha-shin>hey how to set?
20:22<aloha-shin>i did the command
20:22<dendrite>asdfer: adduser userid
20:22<aloha-shin>but error
20:22<aloha-shin>chamod -r 777 /ea/*
20:22<aloha-shin>error
20:22<dendrite>aloha-shin: 777 is almost always a bad idea.
20:22<asdfer>Bruce; yeah but isint that only for normal user ?
20:23<aloha-shin>im login as root
20:23<aloha-shin>what is the right command? to make all files inside the folder ea rwx ?
20:23<dendrite>aloha-shin: What files do you want to give everyone on the system permission to edit or delete?
20:23<Graveworm>aloha-shin: I was wrong. You have to use a capital "-r".
20:24<Graveworm>As I said "chmod -R 777 /ea/*"
20:24<dendrite>Graveworm: Leading slash???
20:24<Graveworm>If you really want to set that. But be careful to stay in the right dir
20:24<aloha-shin>if im going todo that does user1 can modify the folder too?
20:24<dendrite>and is "ea" the name of a directory, or short for "each" ?
20:24<aloha-shin>no... ea is a folder name
20:24<aloha-shin>inside my home folder
20:24<Graveworm>That was only to be sure that he use the right dir?
20:24<aloha-shin>/home/ea
20:25<aloha-shin>ea is a folder
20:25<dendrite>aloha-shin: /home/YOU/ea ?
20:25<aloha-shin>where all files for executing ragnarok server..
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20:25<aloha-shin>im login as root
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20:25<dendrite>Ugh.
20:25<aloha-shin>debian:/home# cd ea
20:25<aloha-shin>debian:/home/ea#
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20:26<dendrite>aloha-shin: OK, so you want to allow anyone on the system to edit and delete all files in and under / home/ea/ ?
20:26<aloha-shin>debian:/home# chmod -R 777 /ea/*
20:26<aloha-shin>chmod: cannot access `/ea/*': Not a directory
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20:26<qq>aloha-shin: is it your system ?
20:26<aloha-shin>yes. dendrite
20:26<dendrite>aloha-shin: Deleting is OK? Really??
20:26<Graveworm>You must do that inside your home dir....so if you're in your home dir use "./ea/*"
20:27<dendrite>Graveworm: Please stop for a minute.
20:27<aloha-shin>den: you mean all users can delete/modify all files inside the ea folder?
20:27<aloha-shin>how about if they can execute and read only?
20:28<dendrite>aloha-shin: Yes, that's what 777 means.
20:28<dendrite>aloha-shin: OK, that is more like it.
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20:28<aloha-shin>i really need to chmod
20:28<aloha-shin>because even if im login as root
20:28<aloha-shin>i can;t execute the file..
20:28<aloha-shin>and most of the files inside i can't execute
20:28<dendrite>aloha-shin: I'd probably run chmod -R /home/ea/* 755
20:29<aloha-shin>what will be the right command?
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20:29<aloha-shin>ok let me try
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20:29<dendrite>aloha-shin: But that will set all files executable, which is a bit ... odd.
20:29<widrones>Dont set it 777 if only an execute bit is needed, fix it properly is better then just blowing a hole in it (even if that works) =P
20:29<aloha-shin>i need only 3 files to execute...
20:30<dendrite>aloha-shin: Then don't do -R
20:30<aloha-shin>login-server_sql char-server_sql and map-server_sql
20:30<dendrite>aloha-shin: Then issue chmod 755 for each file.
20:30<aloha-shin>but why on my other host
20:30<aloha-shin>the files are
20:30<aloha-shin>drwxrwxrwx
20:30<aloha-shin>-rwxrwxrwx
20:31<mepk>hi
20:31-!-pandaren [~pandaren@58.37.218.37] has joined #debian
20:31<mepk>o
20:31<dendrite>aloha-shin: Because an insane admin was doing stuff on that box?
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20:31<aloha-shin>that;s my server
20:31<aloha-shin>i dont know
20:31<aloha-shin>i just uploaded all files
20:31<aloha-shin>wget
20:31<dendrite>aloha-shin: You see the repeating patterns of rwx?
20:31<aloha-shin>and then all files are with that permission
20:32<mepk>中文
20:32<aloha-shin>drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 Mar 27 08:12 log
20:32<aloha-shin>-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 340781 Mar 16 04:09 login-server
20:32<azeem>mepk: do you have a Debian question?
20:32<aloha-shin>-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3206009 Mar 16 04:09 map-server
20:32<aloha-shin>-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 280 Mar 16 02:47 map-server.sh
20:32<dendrite>aloha-shin: Whatever, you need to read up on chmod, and understand UN*X permissions.
20:32<aloha-shin>thats the permissions
20:33<mepk>I newer
20:33<aloha-shin>but with my new host the chmod is not like that
20:33<dendrite>aloha-shin: The 'd' in front of the first one just means it's a directory...
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20:33<widrones>aloha-shin: The permissions you mean, chmod is a command to set permissions.
20:33<aloha-shin>yes. den
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20:33<dendrite>aloha-shin: The rwx patterns are flags for read, write and execute.
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20:34<mepk>where are you coming from/
20:34<dendrite>aloha-shin: the first rwx is owner, second is group, third is everyone else.
20:34<mepk>I come from china
20:34<aloha-shin>okay. what is the command for the 3 executeable files to be executed by root and other users?
20:34<dendrite>aloha-shin: So, I'd probably chmod go-w those files, to remove the write bit for non-owners.
20:34<azeem>!cn
20:34<dpkg>somebody said cn was China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
20:35<nevyn>I prefer [get|set]facl to chmod but hey
20:35<dendrite>aloha-shin: Once they're set executable, just name the file, as in /home/ea/filename
20:35<mepk>yah
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20:36<aloha-shin>if im going to do this chmod -R 777 ./ea/* does all group can modify and delete even executes all files there ?
20:36<mepk>This is xchat?
20:37<dendrite>aloha-shin: Yes, the 777 means anyone on the system can do anything they want to those files.
20:37<nevyn>aloha-shin: yes
20:37<aloha-shin>okay.
20:37<mepk>I am newer
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20:37<aloha-shin>hi mepk
20:37<mepk>hi
20:37<aloha-shin>where you from?
20:37<dendrite>aloha-shin: Anything including delete, or change...
20:37-!-diego [~diego@71-220-16-190.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #debian
20:37<aloha-shin>asl ?
20:37<mepk>china
20:37<diego>Hi, I have this page http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_ExpressCard
20:37<aloha-shin>ok dendrite
20:38<diego>that tells how to put pci express card support on gentoo
20:38<diego>but I want it on debian
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20:38<diego>any help :D ?
20:38<azeem>diego: you want what?
20:38<dendrite>aloha-shin: At least use 755, not 777
20:38<aloha-shin>:) okay dendrite
20:38<aloha-shin>i'll try it now
20:38<diego>I want kernel PCI Express Card /54 support
20:39<azeem>diego: did you check whether you have it or not?
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20:39<azeem>diego: odds are it's enabled
20:39<diego>I think I dont have it, my card doesnt get detected
20:39<azeem>diego: or did you compile your own kernel?
20:39<diego>but I dont know how to check
20:39<diego>azeem: no, I didnt compile it
20:39<diego>and I dont know how to compile it
20:39<azeem>diego: what kind of card is not detected
20:39<diego>TV Tuner
20:39<aloha-shin>how important the kernel is to a linux?
20:39<azeem>aloha-shin: that's an off-topic question
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20:40<diego>I cannot see the expresscard with lspci or lsusb
20:40<diego>is not even detected
20:40<azeem>diego: that's probably expected
20:40<aloha-shin>okay
20:40<azeem>diego: it's a removable card, rihgt?
20:40<diego>azeem: yes
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20:40<aloha-shin>O:-) dendrite and grave thanks its working.
20:40<widrones>diego: Refresh my memory, are those the formerly known as pcmcia type lookalikes?
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20:41<azeem>diego: so remove it and plug it in again, and monitor dmesg while you do
20:41<azeem>see what the kernel writes when you plug it in
20:41<diego>yes, I think they are formerly known as pcmcia
20:41<diego>I will try that now
20:42<widrones>diego: try commands "cardctl" and "cardinfo", seem to remember they being for the low-end of that stuff.
20:43<widrones>diego: maybe a "cardctl ident" may give you anything.
20:43<diego>no, nothing in dmesg
20:43<diego>widrones: lets try
20:43<diego>no command starting with card*
20:43<diego>:(
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20:44<azeem>diego: install the pcmciautils package
20:44<diego>azeem: its installed :S
20:44<widrones>diego: Im guessing now, but maybe you need some tools to get it set up. And all the tools I know belong to the pcmcia cs package. Maybe they are in there.
20:45<widrones>diego: What azeem said ;)
20:45<azeem>diego: then try "pccardctl ident"
20:45<azeem>diego: as root
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20:45<azeem>same for the cardctl earlier
20:45<Laeborg>now my sound don't again, and all i have done, is runned a alsaconf
20:45<diego>azeem: tried, nothing in the output
20:46<diego>but the command exists at least
20:46<azeem>no idea then
20:46<azeem>diego: which version of Debian?
20:46<mepk>hi
20:46<diego>lenny/sid
20:46<diego>kernel 2.6.24-1-686
20:46<azeem>ok
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20:47<aloha-shin>!nodm
20:47<dpkg>Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console
20:47<diego>azeem: do you understand this page http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_ExpressCard
20:47<diego>:D ?
20:47<diego>azeem: I know its for gentoo
20:47<diego>but I think its what I need ehehe :D
20:47<dendrite>!gentoosmite diego
20:47*dpkg spends 6 days recompiling diego, and when it's all done, diego runs 0.2% faster than previously
20:48<aloha-shin>I'm running debian lenny but im not sure, how and what is the right command for disabling gdm. Since im using putty I think i dont need gdm...
20:48<widrones>diego: Im an old pccard lover, ill give it a look over atleast (the page)
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20:49<widrones>And that page was NOT helpfull, it just told you to enable PCI express hotplug driver. :)
20:49<azeem>diego: it's instructions for which parts of the kernel config to activate
20:49<aloha-shin>:) I'm running debian lenny but im not sure, how and what is the right command for disabling gdm. Since im using putty I think i dont need gdm...
20:49<diego>azeem: yes, I just want to know which package would have that module on debian
20:49<qq>aloha-shin: apt-get remove gdm
20:49<aloha-shin>is this correct aptitude remove --purge gdm
20:50<qq>too
20:50<diego>I think Im missing the expresscard module
20:50<aloha-shin>ok qq
20:50<aloha-shin>i want to disable because it eats 26m (RES)
20:51<aloha-shin>hey mepk
20:51<aloha-shin>what is this?
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20:51<widrones>diego: It may have been compiled in the kernel as a module.
20:51<aloha-shin>the C++ standardLibrary.pdf 4.58MB why are you sending this file to me?
20:51<mepk>C++
20:51<aloha-shin>what's that?
20:51<azeem>diego: that page doesn't say anything about tv tuners
20:52<aloha-shin>mepk what was that
20:52<mepk>C++
20:52<azeem>mepk: stop harassing other users
20:52<widrones>diego: There is a file that tells you how your kernel is configured somewhere on your machine too I think (just cant remember where)
20:52<aloha-shin>but why your seinding this file to me
20:52<qq>for leaning
20:53<qq>for *learning C++
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20:53<qq>hehe
20:53<aloha-shin>i don't get
20:53<mepk>o
20:53<aloha-shin>why
20:53<qq>why not
20:53<qq>?
20:54<mepk>i don't know
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20:54<azeem>qq: because it's rude?
20:54<Graveworm>diego: isn't ist ".config" in /usr/src/linux or wherever your kernel sources are stored?
20:54<aloha-shin>The C++ StandardLibrary.pdf from mepk
20:54<diego>righty!, its a module !
20:54<diego>pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5
20:54<diego>pciehp: HPC vendor_id 8086 device_id 2a01 ss_vid 0 ss_did 0
20:54<diego>Load service driver hpdriver on pcie device 0000:00:01.0:pcie02
20:54<diego>pciehp: HPC vendor_id 8086 device_id 283f ss_vid 0 ss_did 0
20:54<diego>Load service driver hpdriver on pcie device 0000:00:1c.0:pcie02
20:54<azeem>aloha-shin: get over it
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20:55<aloha-shin>azeem
20:55<aloha-shin>what is The C++ StandardLibrary.pdf for?
20:55<azeem>that's me
20:55<azeem>aloha-shin: what do I know?
20:55<dendrite>aloha-shin: Just forget about it.
20:55<azeem>I didn't send it
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20:56<mepk>Just forget about it
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20:56<mepk>我 英语 不 好
20:56<widrones>mepk: You are bahaving like a bot, please ask a question and stop repeating other peoples half sentances.
20:56<dendrite>mepk: Please stop with the off-topic (and exceedingly rude) antics.
20:57<widrones>diego: Floodbot got your tounge?
20:57<aloha-shin>what is he doing i saw boxes
20:57<diego>widrones: yeah, sorry
20:57<diego>I didnt want to paste like that
20:57<diego>anyway, its on dmesg :D
20:57<diego>can anyone help me to make it work with tvtime :D ?
20:59<widrones>diego: So the hardware module is there and loads, now the card itself needs a driver I guess.
20:59<dendrite>widrones: Very much like a bot, actually. Sort of reminds me of a poorly trained superhal
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20:59<widrones>diego: You confirmed you have hardware support for the bus atleast.
20:59<dendrite>Er, MegaHal, but whatever.
21:00<widrones>dendrite: Sub-Hal in training maybe? :)
21:00<diego>widrones: yes, so, its an HP ExpressCard Hybrid and in the dmesg it says things with hauppage
21:00<dendrite>Heh
21:00<diego>widrones: I think I have hard support
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21:00<diego>how to check :D ?
21:00<widrones>diego: Ah the hauppage ppl even have their own linux page you know.
21:00<aloha-shin>:) I did search something about the IP, but still can't find the right guide how do I permanently fix the 2nd IP that my host gave me to the dedi I've rented. I tried the command teach me by someone yesterday but everytime I rebooted the dedi the 2nd IP is gone. does anyone here know how to fix the 2nd ip to the dedi?
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21:01<widrones>aloha-shin: /etc/networking/interfaces configfile stanza Id guess is one way to go.
21:01<diego>but I dont understand which card I have yet according to this
21:01<diego>because it says: card=0: unknown/generic
21:01<mepk>bot n [common on IRC, MUD and among gamers; from `robot'] 1. An {IRC}
21:01<mepk> or {MUD} user who is actually a program. On IRC, typically the robot
21:01<mepk> provides some useful service. Examples are NickServ, which tries to
21:01<mepk> prevent random users from adopting {nick}s already claimed by others,
21:01<mepk> and MsgServ, which allows one to send asynchronous messages to be
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21:02<diego>card=1: hauppage wintv-hvr1800lp
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21:02<widrones>diego: Rebranded stuff is a job to figure out sometimes, google is your friend I guess.
21:02<diego>then 2: 1800 then 3: 1250
21:02<Bassam>Hello everybody
21:02<diego>and then card=4: DViC FusionHDTV5 Express
21:02<aloha-shin>hello bassam
21:02<diego>widrones: do you understand that :D ?
21:02<dendrite>aloha-shin: man interfaces
21:02<Bassam>Heollo Alioha-shin
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21:03<widrones>diego: Hm, not really. Except it may be one of them but not recognised.
21:03<aloha-shin>as i remember yesterday this is the command ifconfig eth0: 1 myiphere
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21:03<dendrite>aloha-shin: To make it persistent, you need to work with your interfaces file. Read the man page, and ask specific questions after you have done that.
21:04<diego>widrones: so, its just finding a driver right
21:04<aloha-shin>ok.
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21:04<widrones>diego: TV cards often need firmware loaded to get the channel steppings set, and that often varies a bit how to load it.
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21:05<widrones>diego: Dont give it up yet, have a look around for clues. Ill be afk abit but have played a bit with hauppage rebranded cards (abit they are usb versions)
21:05<widrones>diego: So Ill try to freshen up my mind on it abit.
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21:06<widrones>diego: Jackpot is when you find someone else out there with the card running under linux (andy distro really).
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21:07<widrones>diego: you may even start here http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
21:07<diego>widrone: firmware loaded ?
21:08<diego>widrones: I need to update a firmware ??
21:08<azeem>load, not update
21:08<widrones>diego: You may, you may not. Different cards are designed differently.
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21:10<widrones>diego: If Hauppage only made one type of ExpressCard model... it may just have got easier. ;)
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21:10<Bassam>I'm going back on linux and I'd like to freshen up my mind to set up my environment variable. I need help to do that
21:10<dwon>diego: Some cards/USB devices store their firmwares in RAM, so you have to upload the firmware every time you power on the device.
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21:13<mepk_>o
21:14<widrones>!tell mepk_ about asking
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21:16<dendrite>widrones: Not very nice of you, setting the bots on one another... =)
21:16<diego>well, Im compiling v4l
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21:19<Shinnnlx>Hello
21:19<Shinnnlx>what is the apt-get command for irc in debian?
21:19<diego>ok, I sudoed make install of v4l
21:19<diego>and now :D ?
21:19<diego>help :D ehehe
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21:20<dendrite>Shinnnlx: There are dozens of irc clients in Debian.
21:20<Guest25>Hello Shinnnlx type apt-cache search irc
21:20<Shinnnlx>which is the best
21:20<Shinnnlx>I did, but Im not sure which is good?
21:20<Shinnnlx>since I always used it for windows
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21:20<Gatton>everyone's answer will be the same "the one I'm using obviously" ;-)
21:20<dendrite>Shinnnlx: For text-mode, irssi is good.
21:21<Guest25>I am use now x-chat
21:21<azeem>that's ok
21:21<Shinnnlx>hmm ok let me narrow it down
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21:21<Shinnnlx>which one will take less memory
21:21<gbp>lol...'
21:21<Shinnnlx>haha
21:21<azeem>Shinnnlx: telnet
21:21<widrones>What does popcon say ofc, its always got the answer!
21:21<Shinnnlx>ok Thank you
21:21<widrones>!popcon
21:21<dpkg>popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
21:21<aloha-shin>try to use pidgin.
21:21<Gatton>write ;-)
21:21<Shinnnlx>haha so many try to use
21:21<aloha-shin>im using pidgin
21:22<aloha-shin>:)
21:22<Shinnnlx>just want to know which one will take the least RAM
21:22<azeem>Shinnnlx: how much RAM do you have?
21:22<Shinnnlx>1GiG
21:22<azeem>then it doesn't matter at all
21:22<Gatton>Shinnnlx, Pidgin is ok but it's primarily instant messenger and feels clumsy for irc (to me). X-chat is nice
21:22<widrones>Shinnnlx: Im runing irssi on a machine with 32MB RAM.
21:22<Shinnnlx>ok I'll go for that then
21:22<gbp>!holy war
21:22<dpkg>"O Lord, grant that we may always be right, for Thou knowest we will never change our minds."
21:23<Gatton>lol
21:23<Shinnnlx>quick question
21:23<Shinnnlx>actually no nvm
21:23<Shinnnlx>I'll get kicked for asking..not debian related
21:23<Shinnnlx>xD
21:23<Shinnnlx>ok thank you
21:23<Shinnnlx>bye
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21:23<Gatton>lol i thought he was saying no vram when he said nvm
21:24*gravity thought nvi
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21:38<asdfer>how can i see what commands have been made like 20 last one ?
21:38<dendrite>asdfer: You mean, you want to review the last 20 commands in your shell?
21:39<asdfer>yes..
21:39<asdfer>like when i write "last" then i see last connected users
21:39<Kjetil>history |tail -n20
21:40<dendrite>asdfer: Or, technically, -n 21, since that cmd will return itself.
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21:55<dotCOMmie>Does anyone know if debian has an ability to attach a comment during installation of a package? If not I think it would be a great feature
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21:56<nevyn>dotCOMmie: use a configuration management system that supports comments (like puppet)
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21:57<gravity>A comment?
21:57<dotCOMmie>gravity: something like aptitude install libuijsknyiiww1818899hd7 --comment "needed for custom compiled package XXX"
21:57<dotCOMmie>stuff you can grep for
21:57<gravity>Ah, interesting
21:58<dotCOMmie>I was just cleaning house a bit -- removing stuff I dont use and deborphan spit many lines of libs
21:59<dotCOMmie>Its could also be usefull if you want to install a package to see if you need/like its feature .. you can jot down why you install it
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21:59<gravity>The easiest way to pull that off is to create a wrapper around your apt command frontend that writes the comment somewhere
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21:59<gravity>That's a cool idea though
22:00<black_13>i have screwed up the /tmp directory such that a regular user can right to it
22:00<dotCOMmie>well it should probably be added to the debs
22:00<dotCOMmie>nevyn: this one: http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet/wiki/DocumentationStart ?
22:00<dotCOMmie>I mean to dpkg
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22:01<dotCOMmie>dpkg is the main arbitrar of whats installed anyway AFAIK
22:01<dpkg>dotCOMmie: I give up, what is it?
22:01<dotCOMmie>silly bot
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22:03<nevyn>dotCOMmie: if you want to document why things have been installed then in my opinion a configuration managment solution is the right answer
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22:05<dotCOMmie>nevyn: The thing is, If the feature would be easy to use I can see many people use it
22:05<nevyn>dotCOMmie: I'
22:05<nevyn>dotCOMmie: I'm not denying it's a somewhat neat idea.
22:08<dotCOMmie>I think dpkg is the best place for it
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22:09<nevyn>thing is.
22:10<nevyn>with a cm like puppet you can tie all the packages installed to do something together into a "dosomething" class with a common comment
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22:12<dotCOMmie>yeah but puppet seems to provide many advanced features that most users would not user
22:12<dotCOMmie>s/user/use/
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22:12<aloha-shin>hi dendrite. I already read the man interfaces... now how do i add the 2nd IP?
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22:31<diego>Hi, I compiled v4l and now the webcam does not work :( (and my tv tuner gets dtected but does not work either)
22:31<diego>uvcvideo: unknown symbol X
22:31<diego>where X is a different bunch of stuff
22:32<diego>FATAL: Error inserting uvcvideo (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/usb/media/uvcvideo.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
22:32<diego>I tried to recompile uvcvideo with no luck
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22:54<aloha-shin>oh great
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22:54<aloha-shin>i was disconnected my dedi server
22:54<aloha-shin>oh no :-(
22:55<aloha-shin>i just followed the guide " Setting up Second IP address or Virtual IP address in Debian" from here http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/network.htm
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23:25<lnostdal>so .. er .. anyone got a ff3 rc deb around?
23:26*lnostdal is considering compiling libgtk etc.
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23:32<Mrangry>would anyone be so kind as to tell me how to get Debian into runlevel 3 from the login screen, if possible?
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23:34<Mrangry>...
23:34<Mrangry>anyone?
23:37<Mrangry>ctrl+alt+backspace isin't working..
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23:41<Mrangry>I guess coming here was a bad idea...
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23:53<twb>Neither dpkg (the bot) nor wiki.debian.org have anything on logcheck.
23:54<twb>Is logcheck really so unloved? Should I be using something else?
23:54<twb>I've tweaked logwatch on CentOS boxen, and it was horrible.
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