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---Logopened Tue May 20 00:00:12 2008
00:02-!-Hideo is now known as Hideo_Kuze
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00:10<bighornram>I have sid installed, if I change my sources.list to lenny instead of sid, will my system just not update until lenny catches up to what i have now OR will it try to roll back to a lenny installation.
00:11<twb>bighornram: the former.
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00:12<bighornram>twb: so I can somewhat 'freeze' my system as it is now (working nicely) by making the change. ;)
00:13<Hideo>bighornram: not recommended, as sid has no security updates, your system updates will lag behind
00:13<Hideo>less: why did you just ctcp ping me?
00:14<bighornram>Hideo: I see, hmm though if I keep updating things could potentially break.
00:15<Hideo>yes, so usually when you go sid, it's bad to downgrade to testing or stable
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00:16<twb>You're better off, in terms of things not breaking, to track testing and testing/updates than to track sid
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00:16<bighornram>do you mean by running testing instead of sid?
00:17<twb>Yes.
00:18<twb>Certainly tracking testing would be "safer" than just not upgrading any packages, ever.
00:18<bighornram>I have mostly done testing, but I got a new laptop and the hardware wasn't supported yet, so tried sid and worked nicely. that is how I got to be running sid now.
00:18<twb>For example, by not upgrading this week, you would not get the OpenSSL fix.
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00:19<bighornram>got ya, that makes sense.
00:19<twb>bighornram: well, if you haven't installed many packages yet, what I'd do is keep both testing and sid in your sources.list, and set the default release to be testing
00:19<twb>That's what I do on my Eee PC; it means that most stuff comes from Lenny but I can cherry-pick other things easily.
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00:20<Hideo>twb: how's the Eee PC getting along with Debian?
00:21<RIVE>Hideo, needs work in for the wifi.
00:21<Hideo>ah, pretty neat little machine, I want one :)
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00:22<RIVE>I have one.
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00:22<Hideo>the 900 series?
00:22<RIVE>NO, 701.
00:23<bighornram>the biggest issue i've seen are some intermittent broken dependencies. it also wanted to remove my gnome-desktop-environment for about a week. I just kept saying no and it fixed itself. all seems fine again. i'm running amd64 and there was quite a big difference about a month ago... so i tried the sid version instead of lenny.
00:23<RIVE>I'm not using Debian on it.
00:24<Hideo>RIVE: what do you use on it then?
00:24<RIVE>Mandriva One 2008.1 Xfce.
00:25<twb>Hideo: I have a 701, it's lovely.
00:25<RIVE>twb, with Debian?
00:25<twb>Hideo: IMO the 900s are vastly overpriced and slightly overspecced
00:25<twb>RIVE: of course.
00:25<twb>It would be wrong to run anything else
00:25<RIVE>Your wifi works?
00:25<twb>RIVE: of course.
00:25<Hideo>heh, wikipedia says the wifi card is atheros based, so it should work
00:25<RIVE>Have you done a how to?
00:25<twb>RIVE: #debian-eeepc
00:26<Hideo>twb: everything on Debian works on it?
00:26<twb>Hideo: I have not tested the card slot thingy
00:26<RIVE>I wnat Debian in the Eee.
00:26<Hideo>I may have to fork over some money if Debian runs well on it after all
00:27<Hideo>ah nice, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC
00:27<twb>It probably isn't quite as sexy as Debian on an old IBM thinkpad, or an old Powerbook, but it's smaller and lighter and has an SSD
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00:27<Hideo>twb: yeah, the physical size is the most attractive factor
00:28<RIVE>Only 900 grs to carry when in the trips, pays the 400 dlls for it.
00:28<twb>It has a muuuch nicer keyboard than the XO-1, but a muuuuuch shitter display.
00:29<Hideo>twb: do they sell like a 8-cell batter pack instead of the current 4-cell?
00:29<twb>I don't know.
00:30<twb>I think power packs and batterys are hard to source.
00:30*Hideo bookmarks http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for later reading :)
00:33<bighornram>was looking at the Eee PC. $300 ? and runs debian?
00:33*nevyn is hanging out for a 900
00:34<twb>nevyn: overpriced
00:34<Hideo>twb: what filesystem do you use for its SSD?
00:34<twb>Hideo: ext2
00:34<aloha-shin>hi twb
00:34<Hideo>do we need to fsck anymore?
00:34<bighornram>I'm running a dell xps 1330 and thought that was small.
00:34<twb>Hideo: well, mine still does every 30 mounts or so
00:35<twb>Hideo: it's only a 4GB disk, so I just let it have its moment of fsck
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00:36<aloha-shin> i just followed the guide "Setting up Second IP address or Virtual IP address in Debian" from here http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/network.htm
00:37<aloha-shin>and there I can't connect thro putty.exe or even ping!!
00:37<aloha-shin>:-(
00:38<Hideo>can you ping from the Debian box out?
00:38<aloha-shin>i can't ping it now
00:38<aloha-shin>i just added the 2nd ip
00:38<aloha-shin>and follow that guide
00:39<aloha-shin>after restart the /etc/init.d/networking restart
00:39<Hideo>type ifconfig
00:39<aloha-shin>I've been disconnected and not be able to connect
00:39<aloha-shin>I can;t
00:39<aloha-shin>I can't access the dedi with putty right now
00:40<Hideo>oh you have no physical access to it?
00:40<p_quarles>anyone else getting errors when trying to upgrade the mysql-server package in Testing? I'm trying to figure out if the package is bad or my config is bad
00:40<aloha-shin>yea hideo. i can't access now.
00:40<aloha-shin>no acccess even in putty or ping
00:40<p_quarles>^ the new package that was just recently uploaded to testing, that is
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00:42<Hideo>aloha-shin: well that site didn't add any new iptables rules in, so it's not the firewall, probably something is wrong with the config that it didn't bring up the interfaces
00:42<aloha-shin>I follow the guide freom this link
00:42<aloha-shin> http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/network.htm
00:43<aloha-shin>with "Setting up Second IP address or Virtual IP address in Debian"
00:43<aloha-shin>instead of putting the localaddress I put the 2nd wan ip in address
00:44<aloha-shin>same setting like the firstthe only diffrence is the wan ip / address
00:44<SullenMoon>I'm having some issues with a failed Compiz // XGL install
00:44<SullenMoon>anyone have suggestions on where I should go?
00:44<SullenMoon>It looks like it was setup to start as the default
00:46<Hideo>aloha-shin: is that box behind nat?
00:47<aloha-shin>im not sure. even my host they don't support me because they said they don't support linux except windows.
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00:48<Hideo>and you knew what the gateway and netmask were when you edited it?
00:54<aloha-shin>what do u mean hideo?
00:55<aloha-shin>what i did was I just follow the guide
00:55<aloha-shin>but I copied the netmask gateway etcc
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00:55<aloha-shin>except the wan ip that I put in address
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00:55<fdsss>debsums: no md5sums for whois
00:56<fdsss>why are their missing md5sums for packages in debian 4?
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00:58<Hideo>aloha-shin: that box is probably connected to the outside via a gateway, with an ip you did not know, and you just copied everything on the site verbatim and gave it the wrong address and netmask
00:58<Hideo>aloha-shin: that's my guess
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00:58<fdsss>http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/06/msg00123.html
00:59<aloha-shin>i dunno what to put in netmasl / gateway then what i did is jsut copy the original netmas and gateway that i saw on interfaces
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01:04<Hideo>aloha-shin: so you can not ping either of the 2 wan ip's?
01:05<aloha-shin>yes i can;t
01:05<aloha-shin>request time out
01:06<Hideo>each of the virtual interfaces have each own ip, but same gateway and netmask?
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01:07<Hideo>how many ip's are you allowed to have by your host provider?
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01:14<fdsss>why are their missing md5sums for packages in debian 4?
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02:13<raz0rsedge>MOin.
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02:16<twb>Is it weird that /etc/logcheck has mode 2750 instead of 0750?
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02:16<twb>Er, the subdirs, not /etc/logcheck itself.
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---Logclosed Tue May 20 02:38:36 2008
---Logopened Tue May 20 02:39:23 2008
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02:39<buffoon_work>pabs, for backups, i use rsnapshot, which does hardlinking on same files
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02:40<d1664d>I have a laptop, can anybody tell me which x window manager you'd recommend? P.S. my 0 key is missing and I have no mouse!
02:40<twb>Yes, rsnapshot is neato
02:40<twb>Slightly better than faubackup
02:40<twb>d1664d: tinywm?
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02:42<twb>d1664d: seriously, Ratpoison, xmonad and stumpwm are keyboard-oriented and work well with small screens and low resources.
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03:03<morgan`>hello
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03:04<Zoup>is debian installer is able to detect when to use highmem kernels ?
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03:05<d1664d_>twb; thank you sir
03:05<twb>Grr, I can't ignore some stuff in logcheck
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03:07<twb>Argh, problem found
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03:07<twb>I'd left in the bash 'quotes' around the expressions
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03:09<d1664d_>twb; you said which? sorry lost it... experimenting here
03:09<jm_>Zoup: all kernels in etch have highmem disabled, the ones in sid have it enabled AFAIK
03:09<twb>16:41 <twb> d1664d: seriously, Ratpoison, xmonad and stumpwm are keyboard-oriented and work well with small screens and low resources.
03:09<twb>jm_: and lenny?
03:10<Zoup>jm_: by defaults ?
03:10<Zoup>jm_: is there any harm in enabling highmem by default ?
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03:10<Zoup>even fore 4GB< ?
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03:12<micegio>hi all
03:13<micegio>I've installed skype, but if I want to launch it, nothing happens.. why?
03:13<jm_>Zoup: according to Linus highmem > 4GB configurations should be unsupported and peopel should just move to amd64 architecture
03:13<jm_>twb: not sure, someone with lenny kernel can easily grep /boot/config* files (I never used Debian kernels to be able to tell easily)
03:14<Zoup>jm_: thanks :)
03:14<k-man_>is there a way to get a partition to be mounted with a different user/group than root?
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03:14<jm_>Zoup: as for 4GB I don't know why it isn't enabled -- Debian kernel teams should know more
03:14<jm_>k-man_: depends on your fs
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03:14<sep>micegio, try it in a konsole to see error messages. call skype since it's their program ?
03:14<twb>For /boot/config-2.6.24-1-686, CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set, CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y, CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set
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03:15<k-man_>jm_, xfs
03:15<micegio>sep: skype: error while loading shared libraries: libQtDBus.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
03:15<micegio>sep: it's mean that I need that libraries?
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03:16<jm_>right so they seem to go with Linus' suggestion :)
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03:16<Nemoder>micegio: apt-file search libQtDBus.so.4
03:17<sep>micegio, 10 points !
03:17<jm_>k-man_: check if man mount lists any options for that - it's traditionally not available for unix fs-s
03:17<micegio>sep: what's the meaning of "10 points"?
03:18<sep>micegio, that you are corect in assuming you need that library
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03:18<micegio>sep: library not found
03:18<sep>micegio, you can find the package by searching for the filename on the page http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents
03:18<sep>search in the contents of packages
03:19<k-man_>jm_, yeah, i don't think it is
03:19<k-man_>jm_, so i should mount the partition and just create subdirectories with the desired permissions?
03:19<jm_>k-man_: or mount it with the choosen user
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03:20<k-man_>jm_, hmm.. i want it mounted at boot time though
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03:21<jm_>k-man_: ok
03:21<micegio>sep: when I found it I need to download it on the etc/lib/ directory?
03:22<micegio>sep: usr/lib
03:22<huobo>what's the recommended console based email client these days? Use to pine from a looong time ago.
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03:23<SullenMoon>I kind of like mutt
03:24<sep>micegio, no you must install the package
03:25<sep>micegio, something like aptitude install libqt4-core
03:25<micegio>sep: thank now I try
03:25<huobo>Sullenmoon thanks, i'll give that one a try
03:28<twb>I'm concerened about logcheck's scalability when one is using centralized syslog-ng logging from a couple of hundred workstations to a single server.
03:28<twb>I'm doing tests with *one* workstation and logcheck is taking something on the order of 20 minutes to handle about two days of logging.
03:29<twb>I realize that logcheck normally runs hourly, but I'm worried that when production has a hundred times the source log entries, running it 48 times more often than my test case isn't going to help.
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03:40<DDR>Hi everyone. I would like to install/configure squid so that it will accept connections for user/pass
03:40<DDR>Can anyone direct me to a "howto" page of this sort that would walk me throgh how to do that?
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03:42<kasimon>hello
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03:43<kasimon>why does ssh-keyscan -t rsa,dsa $TARGET,$(resolveip -s $TARGET) > .ssh/known_hosts ; ssh $TARGET ask for hostkey confirmation if I add the -H switch to ssh-keyscan?
03:43<jm_>DDR: plenty of that on the squid web page
03:44<DDR>jm_, can you direct me please?
03:45<kasimon>(be careful not to overwrite your known_hosts file unintenionally ;) )
03:47<micegio>sep: I found that libraries, I'm installing them with synaptic, but for the installation the synaptic want to remove skype from the pc... why?
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03:48<sep>micegio, just let it. and install it again afterwards
03:48<sep>or use something else then synaptic :) ....
03:49<micegio>I'm just rying
03:49<DDR>I'm trying to setup squid, but instructons are for lan computers...
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03:54<jm_>DDR: go to the page and check the many links it has
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04:01<mgiammarco>Hello I am trying to build a debian live image but all I get is: E: Package linux-image-2.6-486 has no installation candidate
04:01<mgiammarco>I have tried lenny sid and etch
04:01<mgiammarco>host is amd64 I would like to build i386 image
04:02<DDR>what should I set the listening IP of sqid if I want it to accept connections from any address?
04:02<@weasel>0.0.0.0
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04:03<@weasel>(and it's not about _from_ but _on_)
04:03<DDR>weasel, I'm reading instructions to setup sqid transparent proxy, but they dont say whe stuff needs to be inserted, will any line in squid.conf do?
04:03<DDR>where*
04:03<@weasel>probably
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04:05<mgiammarco>in live channel there is no one listening
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04:18<DDR>how do I use grep to grab everything from file that dows not start with #
04:18<DDR>grep "!^#" file.txt does not work
04:18<dondelelcaro>DDR: grep -v '^#'
04:19<dondelelcaro>DDR: man grep; for details.
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04:20<d1664d_>twb; my laptop
04:20<twb>d1664d_: what the fuck are you talking about?
04:20<d1664d_>twb; my laptop's not THAT old but it is presario 1150... have you used stumpwm or would blackbox be awesome?
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04:20<twb>d1664d_: try it and see.
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04:21<twb>I run Ratpoison on my brand new Eee PC 701, and I prefer it to blackbox.
04:21<d1664d_>twb;sry working with things and new install
04:21<d1664d_>nice, thanks
04:21<twb>But I'm not you, and your tastes probably differ.
04:22<d1664d_><--- artfag
04:24<d1664d_>twb; sorry, few more q's.. can you use gimp in stumpwm?
04:24<d1664d_>if not, how about in ratpoison?
04:24<twb>d1664d_: you can run gimp in any WM, and with no WM at all.
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04:26<d1664d_>but stumpwm and ratpoison can use the mouse or ps/2 port if needed? I know customizable eventuallallow rebinding of keys to other co but thanks
04:27<DDR>Can someone please direct me to simple guid for seting up squid for access from any adress with user/pass ?
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04:28<twb>d1664d_: neither stumpwm nor ratpoison display decorations to grab with the mouse.
04:28<twb>d1664d_: that is, the WM is controlled entirely by the keyboard -- but this doesn't mean the mouse stops working
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04:51<footrenzo>hi all, who can help me please ? i can't install the mod for url rewriting on my server
04:51<footrenzo>i'm a noob :)
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04:51<jm_>url rewriting where?
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04:52<footrenzo>on Debian etch
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04:54<twb>footrenzo: do you mean in apache?
04:54<footrenzo>yes i mean in apache
04:54<footrenzo>:)
04:55<footrenzo>i had try with the tutorial as i had found on google and that's don't work ( sorry my english i'm french )
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04:56<jm_>you only need mod_rewrite for that, are you using apache2?
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04:56<footrenzo>yes i'm
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04:57<jm_>did you enable it?
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04:58<footrenzo>i had try so when i look on my phpinfo he is not listed and my htaccess don't work
04:59<jm_>man a2enmod
05:00<footrenzo>i need search this name on phpinfo ?
05:00<footrenzo>or need install this ?
05:00<jm_>no, read the man page
05:00<jm_>it's already installed
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05:04<footrenzo>jm_ i'm contacting you in private !
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05:09<footrenzo>ok i have understand on putty i have enter man a2enmod and i can read now :)
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05:13<footrenzo>i need make this : /etc/apache2/mods-enabled ? and enable the a2enmod ?
05:14<jm_>footrenzo: don't msg me, we can talk here
05:15<footrenzo>ok ;) sorry ! i had message you because i'm nood with SERVER
05:15<footrenzo>noob*
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05:18<jm_>footrenzo: yeah a2enmod modulename
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05:19<DDR>I dont have "/usr/local/squid/bin" <- how can I add theese files?
05:19<jm_>what are you trying to do?
05:19<DDR>I'm trying to ass user authentication to squid
05:20<DDR>add*
05:20<DDR>NCSA Authentication, to be more precise
05:21<jm_>debian's squid package already has ncsa_auth helper
05:21<DDR>where is it?
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05:22<jm_>you already have a config line for it (commented out)
05:22<DDR>I dont know how to find it, file is huge
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05:23<DDR>jm_, found it, thanks
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05:26<DDR>there is no /usr/etc/passwd though, how do I create it?
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05:33<evoke>hello
05:34<evoke>was just wondering does anyone run Java Server Pages on a debian server
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05:35<evoke>no one ever run Java Server Faces on a debian server
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05:37<evoke>no one ever do this
05:41<DDR>no idea evoke
05:43<evoke>ok
05:44<evoke>the new j2ee has a built in java application server in it. if i could get that on then i could run the JSP from that insead of using apache
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05:46<micegio>why I can't stop my pc?
05:46<micegio>The button to shut down is scompared
05:47<jm_>micegio: you want it to power off with a button?
05:47<micegio>I mean the comand in the desktop menu :)
05:47<jm_>what is the problem with it?
05:49<micegio>in the desktop menu it was the shut down comand and now there isn't
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05:50<jm_>is that gnome or kde?
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05:50<adii>hello
05:51<adii>i can't get gdm working, i think i miss one package
05:51<adii>i've just reinstalled a 2.6 kernel debian
05:51<Borman>nvidia?
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05:52<adii>when i look into xorg.conf, a lot of things are missing, and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg won't let me configure settings about graphics
05:52<adii>borman : i could do with vesa at the moment ;)
05:54<micegio>jm_: gnome sorry for the later
05:54<micegio>jm_: but three day ago the comand was there...
05:54<jm_>adii: recent versions of xorg don't need config file anymore
05:54<jm_>micegio: what has changed in the last 3 days?
05:55<jm_>adii: check gdm and x logfiles
05:55<micegio>jm_: the comand is unavailable... .9
05:55<micegio>:)
05:55<jm_>micegio: yeah what has changed?
05:55<micegio>jm_: I don't know anymore, I shut down the pc with the halt comand in teh root terminal
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05:59<adii>jm_ : okay, i'll be back after that (i don't have ctrl+alt+f1 -- f4 in single-user mode=)
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06:02<adii>hey back
06:03<padski>is there anything magical about /lost+found ? what happens if it is removed ?
06:03<padski>on ext2/3 that is
06:03<adii>i've read /var/log/gdm/:0 , but it's quite unclear, no (WW) no (EE) there. xorg.conf doesn't even contain the name of the driver "vesa" or smth, it's really weird. I'm quite sure I need some package but I don't know which one
06:07<padski>easy way to install all the dbg packages for my system ?
06:11<padski>I've settled for: for p in `dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1` ; do apt-get install $p-dbg ; done
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06:16<padski>my system is not happy: "EXT3-fs error (device sda3): ext3_new_block: Allocating block in system zone - blocks from 1015808, length 1" :-(
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06:21<adii>what are the packages needed to run gnome
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06:26<jm_>adii: check x logfile
06:28<adii>looks like it is trying to use "radeon" module
06:28<adii>hm
06:29<jm_>which doesn't support your card?
06:29<jm_>time to manually write config file then :)
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06:40<felix>hello
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06:42<baba>Hello
06:42<felix>hei
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06:43<baba>I'm on debian sid and installed ati drivers yesterday, now the screen goes blank when it starts the desktop manager and I cant switch to console anymore. The keyboard apparently works so it's not a hangup but just the screen that goes blank. How can I boot into console/other runlevel?
06:44<xobdedi>multiple ctrl-alt-backspace?
06:44<baba>doenst work
06:45<baba>it's a known bug with ati drivers but I don't know how to edit the xorg.conf now :( and sshd is disabled on this machine
06:45<xobdedi>so boot in rescue n restore your xorg.conf
06:45<baba>how to boot into rescue?
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06:46<xobdedi>default second option in grub, not?
06:46<baba>I have a custom kernel and removed all the previous grub entries
06:46<baba>as I didnt need them anymore
06:46<baba>long time ago :) can you please tell me the difference between normal mode and rescue mode entries in grub menu.lst
06:47<xobdedi>yes, live edit, i'm searching options
06:47<Borman>boot from installation media?
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06:48<baba>Borman, I don't know where it is :)
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06:49<xobdedi>title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.24.2dedibox-r8-1-smp-x64
06:49<xobdedi>root (hd0,0)
06:49<xobdedi>kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.24.2dedibox-r8-1-smp-x64 root=/dev/sda2 ro
06:49<xobdedi>savedefault
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06:49<baba>^ ^
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06:49<xobdedi>:/
06:49<xobdedi>so just add "single"
06:49<baba>ok thanks
06:50<baba>brb
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06:52<vivek>hi all
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06:53<xobdedi>hello
06:53<baba>xobdedi, thanks man, made my day :)
06:54<vivek>i want to create minimal linux without any utilities wat all the packages i need can any one help me?
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06:55<evoke>got the jsp working on debain
06:55<jm_>vivek: you're in the wrong channel for this
06:55<evoke>with tomcat5.5
06:55<evoke>which is available on debian etch
06:56<evoke>what about java server faces
06:56<evoke>anyone got that on debian
06:56<evoke>you need tomcat 6.0 for that
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06:58<evoke>i ask later when alot more people are on
06:58<evoke>thanks
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07:13<cq>is #debian-de on a different server?
07:13<azeem>it's #debian.de
07:13<cq>ah, thanks
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07:39<fanto666>cafte
07:40<fanto666>echan
07:40<aloha-shin>O:-)
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07:41<cTATUK>Anyone have an idea as to why my swap space usage tops out at 50 percent?
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07:45<fanto666>ctatuk you are low on memory?
07:45<fanto666>use 'top' to see what's eating most of it
07:45<fanto666>(press 'M' to sort on memory usage)
07:45<cTATUK>i'm pretty sure i know what it is and it has a single process id but i'll double check
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07:48<evoke>any one know how to fix a broken link in debian. the libstdc++.so.5 says that the link is broken in the properties of it
07:49<cTATUK>evoke: locate the non-broken file?
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07:49<evoke>yes i can locate it
07:49<cTATUK>fanto666: yeah it's a single script i'm running to test the python interpreter
07:49<evoke>non broken file
07:49<evoke>a back up file of it
07:50<evoke>the broken file is in /usr/lib/
07:51<cTATUK>okay
07:51<cTATUK>paste back `ln -s /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5`
07:51<evoke>ok in the terminal
07:52<cTATUK>wait
07:52<cTATUK>i meant ls not ln
07:53<evoke>yes it is there
07:53<cTATUK>paste to me
07:53<cTATUK>ls -l /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5
07:53<cTATUK>paste the result
07:53<evoke>0 libstdc++.so.5
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07:53<evoke>0 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5
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07:53<evoke>is the result
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07:54<evoke>from that command
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07:55<evoke>does that help
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07:56<evoke>does that was not the result
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07:57<evoke>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 2008-05-20 12:39 /usr/liblibstdc++.so.5 -> /usr/local/libstdc++.so.5
07:57<evoke>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 2008-05-20 12:39 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 -> /usr/local/libstdc++.so.5
07:58<evoke>does that help
07:58<evoke>sorry about that bit
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08:00<chealer>evoke: which third-party software did you install?
08:00<evoke>is the file corrupt now or what is the problem with broken links in files
08:00<evoke>i tryied to install the java ee sdk 5
08:00<chealer>evoke: try reinstalling it or uninstalling it completely
08:01<cTATUK>evoke: now please paste me `ls -l /usr/local/libstdc++.so.5`
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08:04<evoke>i do not think it installed because i got an error of "error while loading shared libraries : libstdc++.so.5 cannot open shared object file :No such file or directory
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08:05<evoke>that happened when i did this ./java_ee_sdk-5_05-linux-nojdk.bin from the downloads folder on the desktop
08:05<evoke>how do i remove the program
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08:07<Guest89>hii aahm i have a question installed windows xp and i have created a new partition and i wan to install liux ubunu on it but linux cant find mz partition what should i do now __-
08:07<chealer>evoke: which Debian suite do you use?
08:07<evoke>etch
08:07<Guest89>aahm
08:07<chealer>evoke: what other third-party software did you install or try installing?
08:07<cTATUK>evoke
08:07<cTATUK>`ls -l /usr/local/libstdc++.so.5`
08:07<cTATUK>paste that
08:07<cTATUK>the result
08:07<Guest89>i have windows xp and wonna have linux ubunto kde
08:08<evoke><chealer> : java ee 5
08:08<evoke>will get that result
08:08<chealer>evoke: I mean before, in the life of the system
08:08<evoke>nothing else
08:09<evoke>tomcat
08:09<evoke>maybe
08:09<evoke>that is it
08:09<cTATUK>evoke seriously go paste
08:09<cTATUK>`ls -l /usr/local/libstdc++.so.5`
08:09<chealer>evoke: then maybe removing or reinstalling tomcat would fix
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08:11<evoke><cTATUK> ls /usr/local/libstdc++.so.5 :no such file or directory
08:11<cTATUK>okay
08:11<cTATUK>now
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08:12<cTATUK>ls -l /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.7
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08:13<evoke><cTATUK> ls /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.7 :no such file or directory
08:15<cTATUK>okay now `locate libstdc++.so` (you should get multiple results)
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08:15<debacle>hi, can anyone help me with cron activities ? I need to tweak "squid cron" file 'cause i have to add a task to it.
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08:16<debacle>the broblem is that i can't find it's file. I' looking for it in /etc/cron.daily but i can find no traces of squid in this dir. Any tips ?
08:17<evoke> `/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/64/libstdc++.so`
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08:17<evoke> `/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libstdc++.so`
08:17<evoke> `/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6`
08:18<evoke> `/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.8`
08:18<maxb>I would recommend strongly against manually making symlinks in /usr/lib
08:18<maxb>Anything in there ought to be fixed by reinstalling the appropriate package
08:18<maxb>evoke: sarge/etch/lenny/sid?
08:18<evoke>etch
08:19<evoke>does java ee 5 sdk run on etch
08:19<evoke>i downloaded it from sun website
08:19<k-man_>how can i test a hdd for read and write speeds?
08:20<maxb>I recommend removing your manually created /usr/liblibstdc++.so.5 and /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 and doing "apt-get --reinstall install libstdc++5"
08:20<cTATUK>maxb: i think something really stupid might have happened because there's no reason /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.7 shouldn't exist on an etch system. no matter what he installed. (but that's just my thinking)
08:21<evoke>i followed what this guy did
08:21<evoke>http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5210256&tstart=-1
08:22<evoke>he had the same problem
08:22<cTATUK>i mean if he WANTS to fix the problem he can try symlinking to one of the three results he got.. and since neither was a 5x version and he's missing .so.5 i would recommend the older (gcc 4) one. even though i have a suspicion it's linked to the .6 and now i wonder why he has .6 on an etch)
08:22<cTATUK>but yeah evoke go try apt-get --reinstall install libstdc++5
08:22<cTATUK>as root
08:22<evoke>ok
08:22<maxb>cTATUK: Please, that's bad advice to symlink a .so.5 to a .so.6
08:23<maxb>really really won't work
08:23<maxb>Will just result in more confusion
08:24<jm_>k-man_: bonnie, dd, ...
08:24<evoke>it installing now
08:24<evoke>done
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08:24<maxb>cTATUK: I'm not convinced that libstdc++5 is necessarily installed on a clean install of etch.
08:24<maxb>It's only priority==optional
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08:25<evoke>that fixed it i think now it says "link to shared library" in the properties of the file
08:26<evoke>should i try and install java ee 5 sdk again
08:26<evoke>from the downloads folder
08:27<antares>Morning i want to install the interface web for my cluster on Debian OS, i install ganglia-monitor package can you give the name of the other packages what i need to finish my installation
08:27<evoke>binary file
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08:28<evoke>i got libstdc++.so.5.0.7 now aswell
08:28<cTATUK>maxb: oh you're right i compile some stuff so that's why i'd have it
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08:29<evoke>anyone know if i should try it again
08:29<cTATUK>also i found my swap issue to be because x86 architecture limits a process to 3gb memory, so i'll look more into that. thanks
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08:30<cTATUK>yes evoke try it
08:30<evoke>never mind it did it this time
08:30<evoke>it installed without the problem
08:30<evoke>what fixed i wonder
08:30<cTATUK>and it runs fine?
08:30<evoke>well it is installing the program now
08:30<cTATUK>good
08:30<evoke>going to put it in /usr/local
08:30<cTATUK>the problem was you had an imcompatible libstdc++ version installed
08:30<evoke>ok
08:31<cTATUK>the tutorial probably wasn't debian/etch-specific
08:31<cTATUK>yeah it was off sun's site ...
08:31<evoke>just want to be able to say that on my website so other people with the problem will know how to fix it
08:31<cTATUK>try to use wiki.debian.org or next time you look for tutorials on google add "debian" in as a keyword
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08:31<cTATUK>evoke what's your web address? :)
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08:32<evoke>www.martinnaughton.com
08:32<evoke>have to update after my exams
08:32<evoke>not up to date
08:32<evoke>for a month
08:32<evoke>put my final year project on it
08:33<evoke>wanted to install java ee 5 so i could run java server faces on debian. think that is only way for debian etch at the moment
08:34<cTATUK>well good luck
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08:35<evoke>worked and installed
08:35<evoke>thanks a million for the help
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08:35<evoke>i love this irc. helps me learn more about debian every day
08:36<evoke>more every day
08:37<evoke>bye
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08:44<prahal>hi did someone noticed issues with php 5.2.6-1 cli ? It does not return (exit) on my box (and I need it to to be able to use phing from another php script ... if it does not return my script never end )
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08:44<hazard1nc>can anyone help me with this error i get from apt-get? http://pastebin.com/m47c43322
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08:47<hazard1nc>hmm, ok i'll try the freenode room, thanks
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08:48<prahal>hazard1nc, /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg uncomment or add "no-debsig" on a line
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08:55<debacle>does anyone know where to find cron activities files ??
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08:59<jm_>debacle: no
09:00<debacle>jm_: ok thanks anyway
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09:01<jm_>debacle: for example, my mom doesn't even know what linux is, so she wouldn't know
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09:02<padski>my system just ate itself :-)
09:02<jm_>padski: you asked about lost+found - yes it has a special purpose
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09:03<debacle>jm_: if this make you feel better ... even my mother do not know what linux is ... :-)
09:03<padski>jm_, I know it has a special purpose, I'm wondering about the magic ... is the name magic, is the inum magic ?
09:04<prahal>debacle, /var/log/syslog
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09:06<debacle>prahal: i was just grepping it ... and i have found this intresting line "squid[3894]: logfileRotate: /var/log/squid3/access.log "
09:07<jm_>debacle: grep CRON
09:07<padski>anyways, in a spooky coincidence, my system chose that moment for the main filesystem to have an error. I now have ~2000 files (of which 264 directories) in lost+found
09:07<prahal>hum cron job activites starts with 'CRON'
09:07<jm_>padski: no
09:08<jm_>padski: the name is probably hard coded yeah
09:08<debacle>prahal: this happen every day at 06:25 ...
09:08<jm_>debacle: cron.daily starts at 6.25 and probably sends a reconfig signal of some kind to squid
09:08<jm_>or rather, logrotate does - check /etc/logrotate.d
09:09<jm_>sure enough there's /etc/logrotate.d/squid
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09:09<jm_>it calls squid -k rotate, et voila
09:09<prahal>debacle, /etc/crontab first column is minutes and second is hour ... this is the daily cron job rule (/etc/cron.daily)
09:09<prahal>which includes logrotate
09:10<padski>so I am rebuilding from the rubble...
09:10<padski>" D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory"
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09:10<padski>but "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 33 May 20 13:05 /var/lib/dbus/machine-id"
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09:11<finek>hi, is there any possibility to have firefox, cuz i only have icewesel
09:11<azeem>finek: it's the same
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09:12<finek>so the name is only difference
09:12<azeem>yes, and the icon
09:12<[machine]>finek: sure download and compile to from source
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09:13<debacle>jm_ : you re right !!!!! that task (squid -k rotate) belongs to logrotate !!!!
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09:13<debacle>jm_: thank you man !
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09:15<mgiammarco>I am trying to build myself a debian live
09:16<mgiammarco>I have this error:
09:16<mgiammarco>E: Package linux-image-2.6-486 has no installation candidate
09:16<mgiammarco>I have tried all options
09:16<mgiammarco>The host is amd64
09:16<mgiammarco>I am building an i386 iso
09:16<mgiammarco>help me please!
09:16<[machine]>azeem: iceweasel has different/other patches applied also (at least in stable)
09:16<mgiammarco>debian live channel is always empty
09:16<azeem>[machine]: that's true for a lot of Debian packages
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09:17<[machine]>azeem: don't we just know ;/
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09:19*[machine] is just reading the iceweasel diff for kicks
09:20<jm_>mgiammarco: so change the image it's using
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09:34<mgiammarco>jm_ how?
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09:46<maxb>mgiammarco: My guess is that it's looking at the amd64 archive not the i386 one
09:47<maxb>Though I don't know anything about debian live to suggest where you'd reconfigure that
09:47<mgiammarco>maxb ok thanks
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09:48<OdyX>Hi k6
09:48<OdyX>:)
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09:48<k6>hi :)
09:48<tonper>Hallo
09:49<tonper>I need some help with my cgi-bin, it won't work :\
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09:55<k6>What is the maximum %CPU with 'top' command on a Pentuim4HT processor?
09:56<petemc>is this a trick question?
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09:59<hendry>how can i tell which package came from which repositry?
09:59<hendry>how can i tell which package came from which repositry in my sources.list?
09:59<petemc>!+list repositories
09:59<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}'
10:00<hendry>petemc: thanks
10:01<OdyX>pretty useful tool for geeks... (at least, I find it useful)
10:02<padski>apt-show-versions does something similar also
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10:07<rahim123>hi there, could anyone help me to prevent system-tools-backends from automatically starting during my system bootup?
10:08<rahim123>I use and like gnome-system-tools , but the system-tools-backends are always running and they use a lot of ram
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10:11<chantanito>hi, i need some help
10:11<chantanito>i need to know if i can change my login username
10:11<chantanito>is it possible?
10:12<chantanito>i mean, without loosin' my actual config...
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10:12<rahim123>yes, delete your username but do NOT remove the config, then create a new user and assign him the same user ID as you had before
10:14<chantanito>thanks rahim123!
10:14<maxb>Wouldn't it be simpler to just edit /etc/passwd?
10:14<rahim123>I hope I'm right.... ;-)
10:14<maxb>Does a delete/create actually accomplish anything?
10:14<maxb>You'd have to chase round renaming a few things, I think
10:14<rahim123>he wants to change the username, not the password
10:15<maxb>Like mail spools and crontab
10:15<rahim123>could be
10:15<maxb>rahim123: You do know passwords aren't stored in /etc/passwd, right?
10:15<rahim123>nope! :-)
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10:19<wooluo>hello?
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10:24<wood>can anyone see me ?
10:24<vmuser>is there a irc channel for the linux advance router project? Cant seem to find one
10:24<petemc>!+lartc
10:24<dpkg>well, lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/
10:24<petemc> #lartc , on this network
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10:26<rahim123>anyone know when the next build of the lenny weekly CDs will take place?
10:27<rahim123>I want to download one, but I have limited bandwidth and I'd like to get the most current version
10:27<rahim123>the most recent isfrom 05-May-08
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10:28<malademental>hi
10:29<malademental>i have a classic usb mounting error, that's what dmesg|tail says :
10:29<malademental>nls=ut[ 1854.553705] Unable to load NLS charset cp437
10:29<malademental>[ 1854.553716] FAT: codepage cp437 not found
10:29<malademental>[ 1854.553705] Unable to load NLS charset cp437
10:29<malademental>[ 1854.553716] FAT: codepage cp437 not found
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10:32<malademental>can someone help me please?
10:34<vmuser>thanks petemc
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10:36<finek>how long can debian add key?
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12:03<Shinnlx>hello
12:03<Shinnlx>anyone here good with irc?
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12:03<less>Just ask your question.
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12:04<Shinnlx>well thing is it's not debian related, it's irc related..and I can find NO support about it
12:04<Shinnlx>so I was wondering if I could talk to an irc expert privatly here
12:05<Shinnlx>well it's kinda a simple question about a bot..I think
12:05<less>You could msg me privately, although I'm not sure I am an expert. ;-)
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12:09<OneBlooD>anybody know anything about the find command?
12:09<OneBlooD>find $DATA -depth -type f \( -ctime -1 -o -mtime -1 \) -print > $LIST
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12:09<OneBlooD>when i run that command with out the open and close parenthases ( ) the command does something different in its result
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12:12<padski_>OneBlooD, man find. specifically "( expr ) Force precedence". but then, what did you expect ?
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12:13<Corporal_Jones>Hi, was wondering if theres an equivelant command to kudzu when using the rescue CD
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12:15<padski_>OneBlooD, actually that is pretty strange behaviour :-)
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12:17<OneBlooD>I found it in a script
12:18<OneBlooD>i use the list i create to back up the files with the tar command
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12:18<OneBlooD>but i depend on that find command to give me the list of files to be backed up
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12:21<OneBlooD>Okay, when i run the command with the parenthesis ( ) i get a list with files in it, when I run that exact same command with out the ( ) i get a list of directories
12:22<OneBlooD>and i still havent been able to figure out what the -o switch is for
12:22<OneBlooD>padski_: what did you mean when you said "specifically "( expr ) Force precedence"."
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12:23<padski_>OneBlooD, that section of the manual describes the use of brackets and the precedence of boolean operations.
12:23<dondelelcaro>OneBlooD: -o == or.
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12:24<OneBlooD>hmmm... it means or
12:24<padski_>OneBlooD, but when there are no brackets it doesn't seem to work as I would expect.
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12:26<OneBlooD>right same with me, i noticed when there are no brackets, i get a list of directories (that i have moved / created recently)
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12:26<OneBlooD>but when i use the brackets i get a list of files, have i have moved or created recently
12:27<less>Gents, it might be helpful to put up a full example on a paste site.
12:27<less>!paste
12:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:27<less>I mean, I'd like to see literal output and all. ;-)
12:27<OneBlooD>i suppose what i really intend is to get a list of files, so that i can back them up daily, but still i always want to know why the command is doing what its doing
12:27<OneBlooD>!paste
12:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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12:28<dondelelcaro>OneBlooD: you're asking it for (files with ctime < -1) or (things mtime < -1) when you don't have the parenthesis
12:28<less>Oy yes, find / -amin or sumtin.
12:29<less>s/y//
12:29<less>Or rather -cmin. ;-)
12:29<less>Or -ctime, or whatever...
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12:30<OneBlooD>"files with ctime less than negative one" ?
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12:30*less scrolls down the man page as we speak
12:30<padski_>OneBlooD, in the last day
12:31<OneBlooD>yea thats what its supposed to be doing
12:31<dondelelcaro>OneBlooD: and the -print just makes it print the -o bit, not the other half.
12:31<OneBlooD>whats the other half
12:31<dondelelcaro>OneBlooD: -type f -ctime -1
12:31<OneBlooD>find $DATA -depth -type f \( -ctime -1 -o -mtime -1 \) -print > $LIST
12:32<padski_>dondelelcaro, that is the bit I was missing
12:32<OneBlooD>so it says ( -ctime -1 OR -mtime -1 )
12:32<dondelelcaro>OneBlooD: with parenthesis, yes.
12:32<dondelelcaro>OneBlooD: without, it evals as -type f -ctime -1 (discard); OR -mtime -1 -print;
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12:33<OneBlooD>what do u mean discard, what is being discarded?
12:33<padski_>OneBlooD, A + B | C+D vs A+(B|C)+D
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12:33<dondelelcaro>OneBlooD: anything with -type f -ctime -1
12:33<OneBlooD>aah
12:33<dondelelcaro>OneBlooD: having any print or exec makes find behave differently.
12:34<dondelelcaro>(this is because you often do things like -prune)
12:34<OneBlooD>i dont know about -prune
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13:05<jthomas>Can anyone explain why, when the KDE Screensaver starts, it *occasionally* messes up my display to cram the full screen into about 4/5 of the width of my screen (all on the left side); then the remaining portion is like a bunch of smaller sections of the screen... Kinda difficult to explain, and it only happens some times. This is Lenny, KDE 3.5.x, and an nvidia card with the nv driver...
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13:08<red>hey there
13:09<red>how are you
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13:10<adii>hey ;)
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13:36<adii>hello
13:36<iobound>hi, does anyone know why arm builds for security updates are always delayed?
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13:36<adii>i've just installed fglrx module and I want to set up my dual screens, is there a tutorial or something to help me there ?
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13:44<dwon>Is there an authoritative reference for the .pdiff format?
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13:52<dwon>Or, where can I find the source code to the tool that generates .pdiff files?
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13:55*dwon looks at the apt methods/rred.cc file and concludes that it's probably just "diff -e"
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14:02<adii>is there anything to do so that adobe flashplayer displays text in addition to images ?
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14:25<visik7>hi
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14:26<visik7>when I try to connect to an ssh server I got a Connection closed by <ip>
14:26<visik7>with -vvvvv it says:
14:26<visik7>debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
14:26<visik7>Connection closed by <ip>
14:26<visik7>software version OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9etch2
14:26<visik7>what's wrong ?
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14:28<noflash>must be Sunday in Lithuania
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14:29<demytry>buona sera
14:29<valdyn>!debug ssh
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14:29<valdyn>visik7: -vvv would show something useful on the server only
14:30<finek>hi, lastly i have debian installed and i dont know why i have with desktop resolution, normally was 1024x768 and now is only 640x480, what should i do
14:30<visik7>valdyn: something also here but I dunno why it kicks me out
14:31<visik7>valdyn: all other services are working correctly
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14:31<demytry>qualcuno mi sa dire come mai il comando su da utente normale non mi funziona
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14:31<visik7>demytry: not in Italian Please
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14:31<visik7>demytry: this is an english channel
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14:32<demytry>quale il canale italiano
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14:33<visik7>demytry: learn english and try again
14:33<noflash>demytry, try #debian-it on irc.freenode.net
14:33<debacle>demitry: aspetta
14:33<demytry>ok grazie
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14:35<valdyn>visik7: /msg dpkg dsa1571
14:36<debacle>demitry: italian IRC channel is debian-it on this server (IT: il canale IRC debian italia è debian-it)
14:36<visik7>valdyn: I'm not the stupid
14:37<visik7>valdyn: ops sorry
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14:37<visik7>valdyn: I've misunderstood something
14:37<visik7>valdyn: anyway, it's patched
14:37<visik7>valdyn: you see: OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9etch2 should be the last one right ?
14:37<valdyn>visik7: and you generated new keys?
14:37<visik7>yes
14:38<valdyn>visik7: run the server like "sshd -vvvvv"
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14:38<valdyn>visik7: or with a new port "sshd -vvvv -p <whatever>"
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14:38<valdyn>visik7: you wont get useful debugging output from the client
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14:43<Anha26>Problem with Debian 4: Can't run OS, booting normal through bios, but stucks at "Begin: Waiting for root file system", how can I solve this?
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14:44<Anha26>http://trebbien.diinoweb.com/files/Linux/DebianError.txt << Little textfile, containing the last approximately 20 lines of the start-up text, where it stucks
14:44<saban>Enter text here...HELLO
14:44<saban>HERE 0130S TURKEY
14:45<Anha26>Begin: Waiting for root file system... ...
14:45<Anha26>Done.
14:45<Anha26> Check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline
14:45<Anha26> or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev
14:45<Anha26>ALERT! /dev/hda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
14:45<Anha26>That's the last 5 lines
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14:47<Anha26>I've plugged in an extra harddrive on 40 GB, and after that, it just give me that result, I pasted 2 minutes ago
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14:49<debacle>Hi all, i'm in trouble with apache2 and vitualhosts. I've configured three vhosts. two of them are for lan and access to this two is restricted in <Directory> section. all seems to work. Except if i telnet the webserver form outside.
14:49<valdyn>Anha26: your new disk is now hda
14:49<valdyn>Anha26: or so it seems, switch cabling
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14:49<visik7>valdyn: I can't access the machine anyomore
14:49<valdyn>visik7: then you cant fix the problem
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14:50<debacle>if i telnet the webserver and ask index html of a lan-virtual host ... i get it !!!
14:50<visik7>valdyn: I hope that a reboot will fix up something
14:50<valdyn>visik7: doubt it
14:50<Anha26>valdyn, But the new harddrive must NOT be the main harddrive, because it's containing documents, and user created files...
14:50<visik7>otherwise I'm tfu
14:51<valdyn>Anha26: it looks like you made it the main harddrive though
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14:51<valdyn>Anha26: which is why im telling you to switch cabling
14:51<visik7>valdyn: but does that bug compromise the ssh server if there wasn't login with pub keys ?
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14:52<valdyn>visik7: yea, because that bug also enables man in the middle attacks
14:52<Anha26>Old harddrive: Debian 4, new harddrive: Extra harddrive containing music and such things
14:52<visik7>valdyn: only that ? quite improbable that a mim was happen connection to that server are always from trusted networks
14:53<valdyn>visik7: I never told you that you actually got compomised
14:53<Anha26>Eyh, it works temporary... It's about to load Debian
14:53<visik7>valdyn: I hope
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14:53<valdyn>visik7: i'm just saying that you need to log in to the server to diagnose and fix your issue
14:54<valdyn>visik7: and the the fix to dsa1571 is probably what makes you loose connection
14:54<Anha26>Now I got a black screen... Unusual
14:54<visik7>valdyn: I should exploit my postfix or ftp server to get it :)
14:54<visik7>valdyn: but I checked after the key regen and all seemed to work
14:54<valdyn>visik7: and if you read what dpkg sais about that dsa you probably would have verified that your client key is ok
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14:55<valdyn>visik7: moot talk before you log into the server really
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14:55<visik7>moot talk ?
14:55<valdyn>visik7: pointless
14:56<visik7>oh
14:56<visik7>yes you are right
14:56<visik7>maybe tomorrow
14:56<the-dude>is munin-node a daemon?
14:57<valdyn>the-dude: why dont you read the package description?
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14:57<Anha26>valdyn: It passed on, but now the problem is, that the screen is black; no text at all
14:58<Guest131>hi! I need help with mencoder! Can someone help me to convert a video-dvd (*.vob -files) to mpeg? Please!
14:58<valdyn>Guest131: that vob file already is mpeg
14:58<valdyn>Guest131: "mv file.vob file.mpeg" tata!
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14:59<Guest131>and than i can play with windoows?
14:59<valdyn>Guest131: umm, windows can play anything
14:59<valdyn>Guest131: and vob files are one of the least problematic files
14:59<Guest131>i'll trie! thankx!
15:00<Anha26>Can anyone help me further? fx. tell me why I just get an black screen?
15:00<the-dude>valdyn: I am writing a howto and I am not sure if daemon is the right word
15:00<valdyn>the-dude: that does not really change my suggestion
15:01<Guest131>but, because i make one vob file at the moment, it is a big file, i need to resize it..
15:01<the-dude>valdyn: nm
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15:07<debacle>can anyone help me with apache2 and vhosts ?
15:08<debacle>'m in trouble with apache2 and vitualhosts. I've configured three vhosts. two of them are for lan and access to this two is restricted in <Directory> section. all seems to work. Except if i telnet the webserver form outside, infact if i telnet the webserver and ask index html of a lan-virtual host ... i get it !!!
15:08<debacle>how is this possible ? isn't a security issue ??
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15:11<finek>from where can i download binaries of envy?
15:12<Guest131>hi debacle! what is under <directory ..>
15:12<Guest131>you can say allow from all or allow from 192.168.10.10..
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15:12<debacle> <Directory "/var/www/proxy/">
15:13<debacle> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
15:13<debacle> AllowOverride None
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15:13<debacle>Order deny,allow
15:13<debacle> Allow from 192.168.0.0/24
15:13<debacle>Deny from all
15:13<finek>help me ppl i am new here
15:13<debacle></Directory>
15:14<debacle>Guest131: already defined ... but it seems to not work !
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15:14<Guest131>and what is your address, when you conect to the server?
15:15<debacle>Guest131: i'm on 151.80.35.36 and the webserver is on 82.88.xx.xx
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15:17<debacle>so if i telnet 82.88.xx.xx 80 and ask for a lan vhost page apache serve the request anyway
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15:17<abdulla>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MngZ6y_ImC8
15:17<debacle>it seems like he doesn't know the origin of the telnet request
15:18<Guest131>test it with only one virtual host
15:18<abdulla>who doesnt?
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15:18<abdulla>i just found this video really funny
15:18<abdulla>so i wanted to share
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15:18<debacle>one ?? it's the same !
15:19<abdulla>oops
15:19<abdulla>lol sorry
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15:19<abdulla>joined wrong channel
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15:21<Anha26>Can someone explain this problem: "hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"
15:23<mepk>Think
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15:24<Anha26>Can someone help me with the problem?
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15:24<padski>!msg dpkg multiple ask
15:24<padski>oops!
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15:25<padski>Anha26, what release ?
15:26<Anha26>Ehm, Debian 4 is it called :S
15:26<Anha26>Directly downloaded from debian.org 1 week ago
15:27<padski>google turns up a bunch of this: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+question/18113
15:27<Anha26>The computer can't see files on the secondary harddrive, and can't calculate the size of the harddrive
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15:28<Anha26>padski, Doesn't seem to answer my problem =/
15:29<padski>Anha26, well there is no ntfs-config package on etch, no.
15:30<Anha26>"etch" ... I remember that 4 words...
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15:31<Anha26>But what now? Where can I format the harddrive to be an FAT-32 or what else filesystem Debian uses
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15:33<padski>Anha26, so what prog are you using when you see this error ?
15:34<Anha26>padski, Just Konqueror
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15:35<padski>Anha26, ok, I have Konqueror and a disk with an ntfs partition on it, talk me through what you do ?
15:36<padski>Found it! you go to System > Storage Media
15:36<Anha26>padski, Opens Konqueror, then click on the link with text "Disks and Medias that can be removed"
15:36<Anha26>NB: My version of Debian is danish
15:37<Anha26>That's right Padski, it's where I'm right now
15:37<Anha26>Then rightclick on your NFTS harddrive/partition
15:38<padski>Anha26, yeah, I epect its the same thing.
15:38<Anha26>padski, Right click > choose "Poperties"
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15:38<padski>Anha26, I would add the filesystem to /etc/fstab
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15:38<padski>!fstab
15:38<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it.
15:39<Anha26>padski, How to do, I'm not used to Linux systems/KDE systems...
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15:42<Anha26>a.t.m. I just need an "how-to" change an NFTS filesystem to ext3 filesystem
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15:42<padski>Anha26, use a text-editor to edit the file /etc/fstab as root.
15:42<Anha26>padski, Ehm, one moment
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15:42<padski>Anha26, that is much easier, format it :-)
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15:43<Anha26>Yeah, but where do I find an program to format it?
15:43<Mr-R>Anha26: do you want to keep the data on it?
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15:43<Anha26>I've searched all over the computer, but can't find any program
15:43<Anha26>I just want to format the harddrive, much easier
15:43<padski>Anha26, /sbin/mkfs.ext3
15:44<Anha26>In X-Terminal or?
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15:44<Anha26>Or shall I just go into K-menu > Run Commando?
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15:44<padski>Anha26, in a shell
15:45<Anha26>How?
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15:45<Anha26>Right now, I just need a little help for a n00b
15:45<padski>Anha26, you get a shell in an xterm
15:45<Anha26>okay
15:46<Anha26>padski, Can "Console Terminalprogram" be used?
15:46<padski>Anha26, sure
15:46<Anha26>I'm in
15:47<Anha26>Now I just get an feature list :S
15:47<padski>man mkfs.ext3
15:47<Anha26>ok
15:48<Anha26>What's next?
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15:48<noflash>!fish
15:48<dpkg>"Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. also the "Friendly Interactive SHell" a non-posix compatible replacement shell: http://fishshell.org
15:49<noflash>:)
15:49<Anha26>Yeah okay
15:49<valdyn>Anha26: read the manpage to "mkfs.ex3" aby typing "man mkfs.ext" followed by enter in that terminal and use that command "mkfs.ext3" once you understand the manpage
15:49<padski>Anha26, there are tons of possible options, but typically I just do mkfs foo, where foo is the name of your block device.
15:50<valdyn>Anha26: "man mkfs.ext3" even
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15:50<Anha26>Hmm, I'll see what I can find out
15:50<padski>Anha26, fdisk -l should show you a list of what you've got (although it can get a bit messy on some systems)
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15:51<Anha26>"mkfx.ext3 -T" gives the result of "filesystem-type"?
15:52<Anha26>wait, it stands in the title "Synopsis" and then "mke2fs"
15:52<Anha26>There it stands: " [ -T filesystem type ] "
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15:53<Anha26>But I don't know if I just shall write "mke2fs -T" ?
15:54<Kjetil>Why on earth is totem-mozilla a dependency of gnome ? #%
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15:54<valdyn>Anha26: arguments in brackets are optional
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15:54<Anha26>Hmm, ok
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15:55<valdyn>Anha26: just a warning, mke2fs will create an ext2 filesystem, which you dont want, see the "Description" section
15:55<padski> Kjetil, perhaps see Bug#467322
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15:56<Anha26>I'm reading it
15:56<padski>Anha26, you want to convert the contents of your ntfs to ext3, or just overwrite them ?
15:56<Kjetil>padski: heh.. I don't understand why totem is a gnome dependency at all :P
15:57<valdyn>Kjetil: its an official part of gnome
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15:57<Anha26>padski, I want to format the ENTIRE harddrive (:
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15:58<valdyn>Anha26: no you dont
15:58<Kjetil>valdyn: it should be optional in my opinion
15:58<valdyn>Anha26: you want to format at least one partition
15:58<valdyn>Kjetil: your opinion does not count, its official part of gnome according to gnome.org, hence its a dependency of "gnome"
15:59<Anha26>valdyn, Like in Windows XP, you got an built-in program, that can format your harddrive into several filesystems... it's the same princip I want to do
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15:59<Kjetil>valdyn: dependency should be "Won't function without"
15:59<valdyn>Anha26: ok, let me clear up terminology
15:59<Anha26>I don't care with the files on my secondary harddrive, it can just be deleted
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15:59<valdyn>Anha26: you want to create your partitions of your choice - the program fdisk does that
15:59<Anha26>valdyn, ok
16:00<valdyn>Anha26: and you want to create filesystems on those partitions, "mkfs.ext3" does that
16:00<valdyn>Anha26: formatting is bad wording, formatting is about never done
16:00<Anha26>Okay now I'm lost....
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16:01<valdyn>Anha26: tell us which part you dont understand, its quite simple actually.
16:01<Anha26>The computer I'm having Debian 4 on, has 2 fysical harddrives connected. An harddrive containing Debian 4, and an harddrive running NFTS, which shall be formated into ext3
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16:01<valdyn>Anha26: your "ntfs harddrive" is probably one disk containing one partition that contains an ntfs filesystem
16:02<Anha26>I think so... I just bought it from new, and at that point it was an NFTS filesystem
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16:03<valdyn>Anha26: "fdisk -l" will list available partitions and disks, the sda represents a disk, sda1 represents the first partition on that disk
16:03<Anha26>In the terminal?
16:03<valdyn>Anha26: yes
16:03<Anha26>ok
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16:04<Anha26>Quote: "bash: fdisk: command not found
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16:04<valdyn>Anha26: you need to be root for that
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16:04<Anha26>There's only one user on the computer
16:05<valdyn>Anha26: no, theres root too
16:05<valdyn>Anha26: are you on debian or ubuntu?
16:05<Anha26>One moment... Running Debian
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16:06<valdyn>Anha26: you can become root by typing "su" in that terminal
16:06<Anha26>Ah
16:06<valdyn>Anha26: and you never actually log in as root, you probably cant, and thats good
16:06<Anha26>Ehh
16:07<Anha26>Now I'm a little bit confused, I can't remember what difference is on IDE and SCSI disks
16:07<valdyn>Anha26: why do you care?
16:08<valdyn>Kjetil: no it shouldnt
16:08<valdyn>Kjetil: you could just read the package description of the gnome package
16:08<Anha26>Well, actually I need to find out what name my secondary harddrive have...
16:08<valdyn>Kjetil: then you would know that the gnome package by its purpose has to pull totem
16:08<Anha26>You know, there's hda, sdc, and such names...
16:09<valdyn>Anha26: thats just names, sda is a disk, hda is a disk, its quite irrelevant for you which one is ide or scsi or sata
16:09<valdyn>Anha26: or usb or whatever
16:09<Anha26>HDB is it called, according to KdiskFree
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16:10<Anha26>valdyn, Now we know that the harddrive which is NFTS file system, is called HDB, what's next?
16:11<valdyn>Anha26: you run for instance "fdisk -l /dev/hdb"
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16:12<Anha26>Then it just writes an new line containing "generic-hostname:/home/sandi#"
16:12<valdyn>Anha26: i dont know where you got that HDB from but you have no disk "hdb" then it seems
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16:13<valdyn>Anha26: I already told you that "fdisk -l" lists all available disks and partitions
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16:16<Anha26>Now I tried your option: "fdisk -l /dev/hdd1" which i found out, was the harddrive, because it has system "HPFS/NTFS"... But it writes: "This doesn't look like a partition table... Probaly you selected the wrong device"
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16:16<Anha26>I can't format the harddrive through my windows-computer, it only got NFTS option
16:17<padski>Anha26, yes, it would. better stick to "fdisk -l /dev/hdd" , because hdd1 is a partition not a disk.
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16:18<Anha26>Now it gives me information about the harddrive...
16:18<padski>what package can I get kdiskfree in etch ?
16:18<Anha26>kdiskfree is installed in this version of Debian
16:19<padski>Anha26, I was going to ask was that gtkdiskfree ?
16:19<Anha26>No
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16:22<Anha26>padski: I'm in Terminal right now, I want to know what the next step is... I've entered "fdisk -l /dev/hdd" where it just gives me info about Unit Start-Up, Start, End, Blocks, ID, and System
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16:24<padski>Anha26, that is the partition table. in the first column is the names of the partitions.
16:24<Anha26>Yes, it says "/dev/hdd1" as the only one
16:24<padski>Anha26, (assuming it is partitioned a la MS-DOS as most PCs are).
16:24<padski>Anha26, which is what you were expecting.
16:25<Anha26>Yes
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16:25<padski>so that would be the name of your block device in "but typically I just do mkfs foo, where foo is the name of your block device."
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16:27<Anha26>"Could not start hdd1 --- No such file or directory The device apparently does not exist; did you specify it correctly" it just prints
16:27<Anha26>I typed "mkfs hdd1" and also I tried "mkfs hdd"
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16:28<padski>Anha26, sorry, mkfs /dev/hdd1
16:29<Anha26>Okay
16:29<Anha26>It counts
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16:31<Anha26>padski: What's next
16:31<Anha26>It's done counting, and I can now write commands again
16:31<padski>Anha26, you might want to change the ID on the partition to 83.
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16:31<Anha26>How?
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16:32<padski>Anha26, you could use fdisk to do that
16:32<Anha26>Which command?
16:32<kmatt>Hopefully small problem: I'm using Debian 4.0r0 and had my PC off the internet since I set it up (didn't need to add anything beyond the basic system), now I've hooked it up and gone to update everything and get a bunch of errors (openoffice.org-base: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2). This has apparently locked me out of updating/installing _anything_ for now. If anyone can help, I've described the situation (with all th
16:32<Anha26>I don't know any commands in Linux-world
16:32<kmatt>(and sorry for the long message)
16:33<padski>Anha26, fdisk /dev/hdd
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16:33<Anha26>What's next?
16:33<padski>Anha26, p
16:34<Anha26>yes?
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16:34<padski>Anha26, t
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16:34<Anha26>Yes?
16:35<padski>Anha26, 1
16:35<Anha26>Just 1 (FAT12)?
16:35<padski>Anha26, sorry, it is different when you onlly have one partition :-)
16:36<padski>Anha26, 83
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16:36<Anha26>83 = linux
16:36<Anha26>Correct?
16:36<padski>Anha26, that is the convention, yes
16:36<Anha26>And now?
16:36<padski>Anha26, m for help
16:37<Anha26>Yes?
16:37<padski>Anha26, if you are happy with the result, write table to disk and exit
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16:37<padski>Anha26, you caouls always use p again
16:37<padski>s/caouls/could/
16:37<Anha26>Yeah, but how do I write table to disk?
16:38<Anha26>Ah, it's W
16:38<evoke>does anyone have any experience in connecting jsps on debian to a mysql server on debian
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16:38<evoke>is there a connector file you need
16:38<Anha26>It still comes with the error: "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000"
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16:39<padski>Anha26, I expect so yes. that is more about permissions than it is about filesystem type.
16:40<Anha26>Okay... How do I change permissions then?
16:40<padski>Anha26, I found kdiskfree: kdf
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16:40<Anha26>I'll try tomorrow padski
16:41<padski>Anha26, well you could change permissions on the block device node, but more usual would be to add it to /etc/fstab
16:41<Anha26>It's bedtime for me now, have to get up early tomorrow...
16:41<padski>Anha26, see ya
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16:41<Anha26>Thanks for the help Padski, and everyone who has helped me
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16:42<Anha26>Goodbye, and goodnight everyone
16:42<Anha26>11.42 PM here in DK, so it's late
16:42<Anha26>-out
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16:43<newb_123>how can i get the installed package list (all installed packages)
16:43<CompWizrd>dpkpg --get-selections
16:43<CompWizrd>dpkg, sorry
16:43<dpkg>Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again...
16:44<newb_123>thnx ...
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16:44<evoke>is there any places you can place java library files so that when you compile the compiler will look there. i am thinking like i use the class path on windows to make the compiler see where the java library files are
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16:48<newb_123>evoke , yes in the java dirs (default dir ./ or where class path set)
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16:54<evoke>ok thanks
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16:58<daman>hi everyone
16:59<acj>daman: greetings
16:59<daman>whats the use of setting dns client and server on a linux box?
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17:01<padski>daman, to resolve and serve dns names ?
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17:02<daman>i have set linux to work as router for sharing internet,
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17:03<daman>it works really good, except some web pages wont open,
17:04<daman>its issue connected with linux, since if i set internet on other xp pcs or mac, the same pages open
17:04<padski>daman, you have an example ?
17:05<daman>sure
17:05<daman>www.versiontracker.com
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17:06<daman>also the original msn messenger from microsoft cant connect, while if i use pidgin or some other, it connects
17:06<daman>so its not the firewall
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17:07<daman>is this something connected with dns?
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17:07<Lestat-Amiga>Hi :)
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17:08<padski>daman, it wouldn't be the first thing I'd think of, no.
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17:08<daman>hi Lestat-Amiga
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17:09<Lestat-Amiga>I have an outlook express problem (getting back sub-folder in a deleted folder from the .dbx) someone can help me or tell me where I can get help?
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17:09<daman>padski, so what do you think its wrong? i have also tried damn small linux, and it had same probs
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17:10<ernijs>how to make vpn
17:10<ernijs>?
17:10<padski>!vpn
17:10<dpkg>it has been said that vpn is see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/, or at http://openvpn.net/
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17:11<ali3n0>ernijs: http://openvpn.net/howto.html
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17:12<padski>Lestat-Amiga, this is the Debian support channel. I suggest you call the vendor.
17:12<ernijs>i have linux and other one has windows it is a problem?
17:12<ali3n0>ernijs: no
17:12<ali3n0>there's client for windoze too
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17:13<ali3n0>read the howto, it's pretty easy and straightforward
17:13<ernijs>thanks
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17:13<ali3n0>ernijs: i suppose you're running vpn server under linux...
17:14<ernijs>i don't have any server i want to make it
17:14<ernijs>i have ubuntu 8.04
17:14<ernijs>ubuntu chanel is emty so i am asking here
17:14<ali3n0>yeah, I mean, I know there's vpn server for linux and client for linux+windows, you must run the server under ubuntu
17:15<ernijs>i see
17:15<daman>padski so what do you think i should do?
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17:17<kurumin>ola
17:17<kurumin>ola ana lucia
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17:18<daman>and if i set dns client/server will it help??
17:19<Lestat-Amiga>bye :)
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17:19<kmatt>Problem: I'm using debian etch and have never updated it, now I've hooked it up to the internet and gone to update everything and get a bunch of errors from synaptic (openoffice.org-base: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2). This has locked me out of updating/installing _anything_ for now. If anyone can help, I've described the situation (with all the synaptic dialogues) on my website at http://www.matt-shaw.co.uk/?q=node/1
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17:21<hachi>I'm having trouble with Xorg on my debian testing machine here... at some point I did an upgrade and now when I login a number of my keys are mapped to new operations and mouse grabbing of window borders and things are not working either
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17:28<maxb>kmatt: That's very odd, it sounds like it's actually getting a permission denied error executing the postinst script? "dpkg --configure -a" is the simplest way to say "try re-running postinsts that broke"
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18:23<aife>hi! could someone help me with a debian boot problem?
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18:26<shze>!ask
18:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
18:26<aife>simply: my computer is an old asus barebone wich has been giving acpi problems. in my kernel boot it signals the kernel has received a wrong acpi header.
18:26<aife>it boots, it runs... for a while then freezes
18:26<aife>at the same time i have left it connected and it froze overnight
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18:27<aife>now i cannot boot for the kernel
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18:27<neslondiaze>hola buenas tardes
18:27<aife>when attempting to mount the root
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18:28<neslondiaze>alquien que hables español
18:28<aife>it stops saying that it has not enough privileges to run /sbin/init (?!)
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18:28<aife>hola.. diga-le
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18:28<klinge>Anyone know why everywhere I read says synergy is in the repos for debian, but with all my apt-repos set to testing/contrib main non-free I can't install synergy from apt?
18:28<neslondiaze>soy nuevo y requiero una consulta bajo debian
18:29<shze>!es
18:29<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:29<aife>se puder ahudar. diescrbe tu problema
18:29<neslondiaze>ok gracias
18:29<shze>aife: could you disable acpi?
18:30<aife>in the kernel or the bios?
18:30<shze>kernel command line should be ok
18:30<aife>i have tried it sometime ago and the boot froze
18:31<aife>i will try now
18:31<shze>you could also try to disable in the bios if that helps
18:31<aife>acpi=off i presume? kernel is a debian 2.6.18-6
18:31<shze>yes
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18:32<aife>now in grub, editing the kernel line
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18:33<aife>problem inserting the acpi modules (thermal, etc) that was expected... but boot aborted has before, more precisely: Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
18:34<aife>also: run-init: /sbin/init: Permission denied
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18:35<shze>which permissions do you have? should be -rwxr-xr-x root root
18:35<aife>before this there's an attempt by the kernel to do manual resume through a resume image. but it finds none (i don't have a resume partition)
18:36<aife>i believe they are those.. let me check through a rescue disk
18:36<shze>no finding a resume image is ok, if you dont want to resume
18:36<shze>not*
18:37<aife>i didn't install nothing related to resume image.. it just came with the last kernel package (it's a stable )
18:40<shze>the resume messages are ok
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18:40<shze>do you have any other errors before the panic except the permission thing?
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18:40<aife>the / filesystem is an ext3 located in a logical partition with more than 100G in a 250G ide disk
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18:41<aife>i don't know... i can't seem to see them even i press scroll lock fast... :(
18:42<aife>this is crazy... bug in the rescue disk...
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18:42<shze>in the rescue disk?
18:42<aife>if i try to run a shell from the partition it breaks.. says it has tried to mount an ext3 as a ext2...
18:43<aife>from the menu.. i will try the console
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18:44<aife>well it has been mounted as an ext2 but it cannot runa shell in the directory.. (no log messages..)
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18:46<members>how can I get debian to adjust for Daylight Savings Time? Our clock is one hour fast although it is configured for the correct time zone.
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18:47<aife>when i ls in the filesystem it says ls:./lib: Input/output error...
18:48<streuner>aife: did you look into syslog yet?
18:48<aife>in the rescue? yes
18:48<streuner>look also at smartmontools
18:48<aife>i will look it in the fylesystem
18:51<aife>well... it starts with: kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device
18:51<aife>kernel: hda5: rw=1, want=5893301952, limit=37686772
18:52<streuner>!set time
18:52<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
18:52<aife>buffer i/o error on device hda5...
18:53<aife>it repets itself from here and then stops...
18:54<aife>this was at 0:40, fetchmail kept working till 03:00
18:55<aife>permissions on /sbin/init -rwxr-xr-x
18:55<aife>root root
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18:56<aife>shze: it is like you said it...
18:56<aife>i have a phantom ext3 filesystem...
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19:00<aife>anyone recongnizes this condition?
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19:05<shze>aife: if booting worked, what did you change? what says fdisk?
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19:06<aife>booting from hardisk did not work
19:06<aife>from rescue cdrom it did
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19:07<aife>fsck.ext3 on the filesystem says it is good...
19:07<shze>can you mount / ?
19:07<aife>but on the syslog i have several access problems
19:07<aife>as /target yes
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19:08<aife>if i try to run a shell on it... nope.. but it seems to be a problem with the rescue disk scripts
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19:09<aife>the ACPI error is ACPI:Invalid PBLK length [5]
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19:10<shze>did you run the rescue cd with acpi=off?
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19:11<aife>no
19:11<aife>i can acess the ext3 filesystem from windows with ext2 file manager
19:11<aife>no problems there (mounted ro)
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19:13<aife>it seems i have this repeating problem accessing the filesystem from the kernel
19:14<aife>could it be a hardware problem?
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19:15<shze>possible.. altough i'm not sure about that if fsck reports no errors. you could check smart, too
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19:18<aife>no smart log file
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19:20<aife>it is the 6 reinstall i have made and it keeps going bad... should i try the testing distro? maybe it is a kernel device driver problem...
19:20<aife>it seems ide is handled now by sata
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19:21<shze>smartctl is in the smartmontools package, and should work with both pata and sata
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19:22<shze>aife: was the last install completed?
19:24<aife>yes
19:24<aife>about a week ago
19:25<aife>6 reinstalls in a month
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19:25<aife>with Windows XP no probs.. it just keeps on running
19:25<aife>it is frustating
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19:26<aloha-shin>because of the network interfaces config Im unable to access our dedi. and now my host said they will reformat the dedi . :'(
19:26<guilherme>aife
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19:28<aife>sim, guilherme?
19:28<guilherme>what are you complaiting about?
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19:28<guilherme>falae
19:28<guilherme>caboclo
19:28<aife>english here...i am complaining about a weird filesystem problem that keeps on appearing wth linux
19:28<guilherme>foi uma desgraça pra escrever isso em inglês...my english is very weak
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19:29<aife>já volto... wc
19:31<shze>aife: what happens if you boot from hdd with "acpi=off init=/bin/bash"?
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19:32<Gaara>holla :)
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19:37<aloha-shin>!autobackup
19:37<aloha-shin>!sql
19:37<dpkg>from memory, sql is (Structured Query Language) This is a type of relational database that features data in rows and columns. Each row represents a record. Each column is a field. Most serious database solutions today use some form of SQL to store and access large quantities of data quickly and reliably. or incredibly elite, or at http://www.arsdigita.com/books/sql/
19:37<Hideo>aloha-shin: how did that network issue go?
19:37<aloha-shin>hi hideo
19:38<aloha-shin>very bad news
19:38<Hideo>what happened, why bad news?
19:38<aloha-shin>because of the network interfaces config Im unable to access our dedi. and now my host said they will reformat the dedi . :'(
19:38<Hideo>oh
19:38<aloha-shin>:'(
19:38<Hideo>that's it? they won't even bother reverting the changes?
19:39<aloha-shin>I told the host but he said the colo / datacenter is unmannage and I talk to him to give the root pass
19:39<aloha-shin>but he said they will reformat :'(
19:40<Hideo>so you can't have 2 ip addresses on a linux box?
19:40<aloha-shin>I neve thot because of that guide and interfaces everything I installed is ruined
19:40<Hideo>that sucks
19:40<aloha-shin>im not sure about the 2 IPs
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19:41<aloha-shin>that's why im trying something to know if it works
19:41<aloha-shin>but it failed. =(
19:41<Hideo>if you really did what you said, I didn't see anything wrong with it.
19:41<aloha-shin>yea i followed the guide from that link
19:42<aloha-shin>the only ip that i change is the address
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19:42<aloha-shin>my host don;t really support linux
19:42<aloha-shin>they are windows.
19:42<Hideo>yeah nothing was wrong with it from what I could tell, unless somehow you accidently firewalled yourself off, but that isn't probable
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19:43<Hideo>aloha-shin: time for a new host provider then
19:43<aloha-shin>debian lenny Im not sure what kind of firewall it has or what security i have with that lenny. Im still a beginner
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19:44<aloha-shin>I really want this is because of the good ping'ing
19:44<aloha-shin>that's why I can;t leave the host.
19:44<Hideo>game server?
19:44<vmuser>hello aloha-shin hows your setup working
19:45<aloha-shin>yes
19:45<aloha-shin>gameserver
19:46<Gaara>where can i ask something about ipv6 tunneling ?
19:46<aloha-shin>california inet is really good and best ping'ing
19:46<aloha-shin>fast inet
19:46<aloha-shin>the host is in san diego cali.
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19:48<Hideo>ok, that's too bad what happened, sorry
19:48<riandelima>ola
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19:50<yeah>hi everybody
19:50<guilherme>hi
19:50<yeah>sorry, i don't speak english very well
19:51<yeah>but i need some informations
19:51<yeah>about debian
19:51<guilherme>hum
19:51<aloha-shin>hi yeah
19:51<Hideo>!ask
19:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
19:51<yeah>hi aloha
19:52<Hideo>be more specific, yeah
19:52<yeah>yeah so ...
19:52<yeah>i'm going to try install debian testing instead of ubuntu
19:52<guilherme>minidictionary RULEZZZZZ!!!!!!!
19:53<guilherme>good choice
19:53<yeah>but what is the difference between them ?
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19:54<aloha-shin>etch and lenny
19:54<aloha-shin>stable and testing
19:54<yeah>about gnome, which version of kernel does it use ?
19:54<yeah>testing so lenny
19:54<aloha-shin>im using lenny too.
19:54<guilherme>debian is faster and more stable than ubuntu
19:55<Hideo>gnome is a desktop environment, it has nothing to do with kernel versions
19:55<yeah>are you talking about lenny or etch ? guilherme !
19:55<guilherme>both
19:55<yeah>yeah i know
19:55<aloha-shin>!gdm
19:55<dpkg>it has been said that gdm is the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console)
19:55<aloha-shin>=D
19:56<aloha-shin>hideo. is this guide true? http://www.debianadmin.com/mysql-database-backup-using-automysqlbackup.html is it really possible for autobackup ? on debian lenny ? with that link
19:56<yeah>but i wanted to say, which version of gnome and kernel does the testing version use ?
19:57<aloha-shin>autobackup everyday..
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19:57<guilherme>ubuntu tries to keep compatibility with several hardawares and therefore its kernel has many trash...debian is dry
19:57<Hideo>aloha-shin: I haven't messed with mysql so I can't give you my opinion on the matter :)
19:58<aloha-shin>I found that guide searching at yahoo.com
19:58<blarson>yeah: You can use packages.debian.org to get version info on any debian package.
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19:58<aloha-shin>but im not sure if its working...
19:58<aloha-shin>i want to try it with my old host.
19:58<yeah>thank you blarson !
19:58<aloha-shin>vps actually
19:58<guilherme>installing is as simple as ubuntu's installation
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19:59<Hideo>yeah: testing uses gnome version 1:2.20.2.2 and kernel 2.6.24+13
20:00<Hideo>yeah: for a brief comparison between them and other distros, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions
20:01<yeah>and do i have the possibility to upgrade gnome in 2.22.1 with an easy method ?
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20:01<yeah>i will read it
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20:02<Hideo>I don't use gnome, but I guess once that version is available, yeah you can upgrade easily
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20:04<yeah>why do you use debian and no ubuntu for example ?
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20:04<guilherme>faster and more stable
20:05<yeah>why can you say it's faster ?
20:05<Hideo>yeah: b/c I've been using it for that last 6+ years, before ubuntu was even born
20:06<guilherme>but ubuntu is a great distro...getting information about ubuntu is very easy, sice ubuntu is the most popular distro in the world
20:06<guilherme>*since
20:07<yeah>guilherme, what kind of processeur do you have ?
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20:09<guilherme>model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
20:10<yeah>ok but would i hit with problems in using the 64 bit ?
20:10<guilherme>1Gb RAM
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20:11<yeah>because with ubuntu i don't have problems with the 64 bit
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20:12<yeah>i hope there wouldn't be
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20:14<guilherme>i'm a fanatic for optmizations
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20:44<Generic>I finally figured out the cause of all my issues while doing a dist-upgrade, busybox
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20:53<rrm>hey guys... where do i got to change the color or twm window borders? also when you click not to need to hold it, or do a right click
20:54<libereco>the focus??
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20:57<rrm>no no
20:58<rrm>the color of the window... is some damn green
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21:05<rrm>what is a good file manager... like nautilus...
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21:31<Laeborg>Someone there know how to install Azureus?
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21:35<Nemoder>Laeborg: apt-get install azureus ?
21:36<Nemoder>although you might want to install non-free java if you don't want it to be horribly slow
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21:37<Laeborg>okay
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21:48<Guest18>how can I complely remove all compiz stuff?
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21:53<libereco>Guest18, configuration files? do you try the purge option?
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21:54<Guest18>hm
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21:56<bcroubcose>deos any one know how to get a mic working ?????
21:56<nevyn>bcroubcose: select it unmute it and record?
21:57<bcroubcose>not sure what you mean its to use skype
21:58<nevyn>oh. no idea.
21:59<nevyn>ask on #proprietary_software_vendor 's channel
21:59<bcroubcose>thanx for the help any ways man
21:59<bcroubcose>ill find a way to get it to work..
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22:29<oscar_>good mourning
22:29<oscar_>i need to configure two monitor
22:30<oscar_>who can help me
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22:32<oscar_>#debian-es
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22:35<mzhang>guest
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22:36<mobin>hello everyone.
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22:38<mobin>when I am trying to checkout from svn.debian.org, it says that there is chance for man-in the middle attack. and asking me to change the finger print.
22:38<CompWizrd>ssh keys would have been changed with the ssh/ssl security issues
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22:39<mobin>but where should I add the new finger print is it in .ssh/know_hosts?
22:39<mobin>CompWizrd: so how can I correct the check out problem?
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22:42<Generic>this is irritating
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22:42<Generic>trying to remove busybox and install coreutils, but if I have both, it's busybox, without busybox, I got nothing
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22:47<kurumin>oi
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22:48<kurumin>Hi
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22:53<xx>hello... how can i block ip so the server wont respont to the ip both from www and sss ? :/
22:54<xx>ssh
22:54<xx>sry
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22:58<ubuntu_ultimate_noobs>hi
22:59<ubuntu_ultimate_noobs>some trouble here
22:59<xx>:/ i have problom with 1 man he have been access my server from same ip allways.. and i need to block him... can i not use simple command to block 1 ip plz i need help
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23:00<ubuntu_ultimate_noobs>flash problem
23:00<dendrite>xx: You'd probably use iptables for that.
23:00<Hideo>xx: iptables -A INPUT -s badmansip -j DROP
23:00<xx>"badmanip" hehehe this one was good
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23:01<xx>:D
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23:01<xx>thx
23:01<Hideo>np :P
23:02<Generic>how does brutally bitch slap a debian package into removal?
23:02<Generic>does one*
23:02<Generic>dpkg --purge doesn't look to be working for this one
23:02<dpkg>Generic: I don't know, could you explain it?
23:02<Hideo>Generic: why not?
23:02<dendrite>Generic: What error do you get?
23:02<dendrite>Generic: Oh, and what package?
23:02<Generic>everytime I try to remove ppp, I get the error "ppp: applet not found
23:02<Generic>"
23:03<Generic>http://pastebin.ca/1024525
23:03<Generic>that's the output of dpkg --purge ppp
23:04<dendrite>Generic: What version of Debian?
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23:04<Generic>dendrite, woody
23:05<dendrite>Eeep!
23:05<Generic>yep
23:05<Generic>I'm trying to resolve some issues before upgrading to sarge
23:05<Generic>I need to get rid of ppp somehow, and then get rid of busybox
23:05<dendrite>Generic: One approach may be to edit the postrm script to not fail. Evil, but I'm not sure what else you can do here.
23:06<Generic>where's the postrm script located?
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23:06<Hideo>Generic: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ppp.*
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23:08<RIVE>He, good evening.
23:08<superjet_busy>I use `iptables -A OUTPUT -s x.x.x.x -j DROP ` and `iptables -A INPUT -s x.x.x.x -j DROP` to drop connect to weburl in x.x.x.x, however, firefox still can brow the url, what's wrong?
23:09<Generic>woo
23:09<Generic>dendrite, looks like that worked
23:09<dendrite> superjet_busy you want -d x.x.x.x ?
23:09<Generic>now for part 2, replacing busybox with a functional coreutils
23:09<dendrite>Generic: Cool.
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23:09<Hideo>superjet_busy: use -d x.x.x.x for the OUTPUT chain
23:09<Generic>last time I tried it, I was missing egrep and other things so the upgrade broke
23:10<dendrite>Generic: Urg. You planning on going to Sarge?
23:10<superjet_busy>Hideo: got it! :)
23:10<Generic>yeah
23:10<dendrite>Generic: Real cutting edge shop you got there! =)
23:10<Generic>I'm sticking a 2.4 kernel the whole way though
23:10<Generic>hehe
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23:10<Hideo>heh 2.4
23:10<dendrite>Generic: Chicken. ;-)
23:11<Generic>well, it's a really, really, really, low resource machine
23:11<dendrite>Going from 2.4 to 2.5/6 was a PITA.
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23:11<Generic>heh
23:11<Generic>It's a 233Mhz Geode with 32MB ram
23:12<dendrite>Generic: What a monster. Sounds like a router...
23:12<Generic>pretty much
23:12<Generic>it's actually a winterm, originally built to run windows ce as a thin client
23:12<dendrite>Cool. Fanless?
23:12<Generic>the os runs off a thumbdrive plugged in the back
23:12<Generic>yep
23:12<dendrite>How many NIC's?
23:12<Hideo>nice
23:13<Generic>just one
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23:13<Generic>but it has a cardbus slot, so I'm going to experiment
23:13<dendrite>Generic: You tune it to not write to the flash so often?
23:13<Generic>yeah
23:13<Generic>well, sorta
23:13<Hideo>turn off logs?
23:13<Generic>yep
23:13<dendrite>And disable atime
23:14<Generic>yeah
23:14<Generic>it's a pre-build image I'm working from
23:14<Hideo>swapoff
23:14<Generic>I've tried building my own, but haven't had a lot of luck with it
23:14<Generic>there are some modules for the winterm that need to be loaded into the kernel
23:14<Generic>I can't find them anywhere except in this image
23:15<dendrite>Most interesting.
23:16<dendrite>BTW, anyone with a Debian question should feel free to interrupt this OT chat at any time. :-)
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23:16<dendrite>Generic: Odd, these hard-to-find modules...
23:17<Generic>heh
23:17<Generic>yeah, it's kinda fun
23:17<Generic>found a bunch of old winterm 3360se's at work
23:17<Generic>found a project for getting the winterm to run linux. Most everyone has used dsl to do it
23:17<beginner>hi
23:17<dendrite>Wow. Very cool.
23:18<Generic>yeah
23:18<Generic>so far I've managed to build a file server out of one
23:18<dendrite>Generic: I"m jealous, most of my machines at home are noisy things...
23:18<Generic>not sure how feasible it is, it's usb 1.1
23:18<Generic>hehe
23:18<Generic>I'm a silent pc nut
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23:18<dendrite>Generic: Not a nut, imho.
23:18<dendrite>Computer noise is .. awful.
23:18<Generic>my main pc isn't barely above ambient, 2.6Ghz dual-core with several hard drives
23:18<Generic>yeah
23:19<Generic>way back my power supply failed, I picked up a temp one from a store
23:19<Generic>it was blazing loud
23:20<dendrite>I tried to insulate a pc case once, and discovered a new way to expose the exploding capacitor issue on a motherboard... %-/
23:20<beginner>any brwer other than firefox for ubunut
23:20<beginner>ubuntu
23:20<Hideo>!ubuntu
23:20<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
23:20<dendrite>beginner: /join #ubuntu
23:21<Generic>heh
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23:21<Generic>insulating a pc can be a tricky thing
23:21<dendrite>Generic: Oh, it was easy. ;-)
23:21<Generic>I prefer to just lay down some foam padding on the inside, helps quite a bit with vibrations
23:21<dendrite>That's more or less what I tried.
23:22<dendrite>But I interfered with air flow too much, alas.
23:22<Hideo>How do you remove heat though? Peltiers?
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23:22<dendrite>Peltiers are neat, but I've heard they can lead to condensation -- water on the electronics. Perhaps they've come a ways...?
23:24<Hideo>I haven't had experiences with them, but it'd be cool to replace that noisy fan
23:24<Generic>peltiers work
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23:24<dendrite>Hideo: Nice pun.
23:24<Generic>the main problem with them, is that while one side gets really cold, the other side gets really hot
23:24<Generic>in my experience, air cooling works best
23:24<Hideo>:p
23:25<dendrite>Generic: Every time I go look at water cooling options, I end up O_O
23:25<Generic>All you need are a few quiet fans and a good heatsink
23:25<Generic>pretty much. It's a lot of maintenance
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23:25<Generic>and everytime you want to tinker, you have to take it all apart
23:25<dendrite>And you
23:25<dendrite>Doh!
23:25<dendrite>Yeah, and it just looks like a pain.
23:25<Generic>a 5 minute hard drive installation takes about 30 minutes with watercooling
23:25<Generic>?
23:26<dendrite>Generic: I hit enter instead of backspace, that's all.
23:26<Generic>hehe
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23:26<Hideo>our home servers probably cost less than 100 bucks, I don't think it's cost effective to watercool either
23:27<dendrite>Heh. Yeah, when the cooling costs more than the rest of the machine, something funny is going on.
23:28<Hideo>let's move to Canada
23:28<dendrite>Ugh.
23:28<Generic>haha
23:28<Generic>quick question, how does one download a package via apt without installing
23:28<Hideo>:P my house won't need a heater in Canada
23:28<Generic>heh
23:28<dendrite>No offense, Canada is cool. Figuratively and literally, and it's the latter that gets me.
23:28<Generic>I remember back when I starting cooling my pc properly
23:28<Generic>my house got a lot colder
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23:29<Hideo>Generic: apt-get --download-only
23:29<dendrite>Generic: apt-get install -yud works also.
23:30<Generic>thanks
23:30<beginner>how to get opera browser
23:30<Generic>going to try downloading coreutils first and doing a force install after busybox
23:30<Hideo>dendrite: woah where did you get that option from?
23:30<Hideo>not in the man page
23:30<dendrite>Hideo: -y -u -d
23:30<dendrite>It's in there.
23:30<Hideo>oh
23:31<dendrite>Hideo: Most programs let you clump single letter arguments.
23:31<Hideo>I know, was being dumb, is all
23:31<dendrite>beginner: /join #ubuntu
23:32<Hideo>I thought yud was some kind of keyword
23:32<dendrite>Ha ha.
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23:32<dendrite>Top S33krit apt-get flags.
23:32<Hideo>hehe, good mnemonic too
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23:34<dendrite>Ugh, must get sleep.
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23:34<Generic>heh
23:34-!-june_K [~june_K@211.205.171.47] has joined #debian
23:34<Generic>aaannnd busybox replacement failed
23:35*Generic exits chroot and deletes image
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23:38<zhooter>buenas!
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23:39<zhooter>alguien a experimentado problemas al quererse conectar a un cana de irc?
23:39<spike_linux>nop
23:39<spike_linux>yo entro bien
23:39<zhooter>:(
23:39<Hideo>!es
23:39<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:40<spike_linux>jajaa costes mente nos manda a al burges
23:40<spike_linux>burger XD
23:40<spike_linux> /join #debian-es
23:40<spike_linux>XD
23:40<spike_linux>nos corren
23:40<zhooter>camara, pues voy a la burger haber si me ayudan..
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23:49<dwon>S33krit? That looks like something to go into /etc/rc?.d
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23:50<Hideo>hehe
23:51<diego>hi there, I have this problem , I have compiled v4l and ivtv drivers
23:52<diego>if I restart with my tv card connected then /dev/dvb gets created
23:52<diego>but /dev/vbi does not
23:52<diego>the card is hotplug and it does not get created (the /dev) otherwise
23:52<diego>and I dont know how to use the card anyway ehehe
23:52<diego>any help :D ?
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23:54<Hideo>diego: just a guess, as I've never used tv cards before, what happens if you unload and reload the module?
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23:55<diego>Hideo: allright, so, I need to load one module in a different way
23:55<diego>I did rmmod pciehp
23:55<diego>and then rmmod pciehp pciehp_force=1
23:56<diego>sorry
23:56<diego>last one is modprobe
23:56<diego>how do I make pciehp load with force at boot :D ?
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23:56<Hideo>diego: so it worked?
23:56<diego>Im loading the modules with /etc/modules :S (is there a better way)
23:56<Hideo>diego: look into /etc/modprobe.d/
23:57<diego>well /dev/vbi still does not get created
23:57<Hideo>diego: sorry, wait around for someone knowledgable about this topic I guess
23:58<diego>Hideo: no prob, any help is good :) thx
23:58<diego>Hideo: do you know how to load with that option at boot time ?
23:58<Hideo>diego: yeah look in /etc/modprobe.d/
23:58<diego>look for :S? (sorry, Im not a linux expert lol)
23:58<Hideo>there should be other modules in there that can give you examples of
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