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---Logopened Wed May 21 00:00:29 2008
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00:00<Hideo>ok diego, do this "echo options pciehp pciehp_force=1 >> /etc/modprobe.d/pciehp"
00:00<Hideo>that should do what you ask for, in addition, make sure, pciehp is in /etc/modules
00:01<diego>:) I just found that :) thx
00:01<diego>so, you dont know about /dev/vbi0 dont getting created right ?
00:02<Hideo>nope sry
00:02<Hideo>diego: probably has something to do with udev or hotplug, but I have no idea how
00:03<diego>Hideo: ok, thx, I will keep trying
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00:18<Guest35>how r u
00:18<dave_>Guest35: no private
00:19<Guest35>iit is public
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00:25<laeborg>--sBNC- Module could not be loaded: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
00:26<laeborg>got this error when i try to load into sBNC (shroudBNC)
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00:28<Lard-O-Lad>I installed debian, by due to a slow connection killed the Download/Upgrade process, but now when i continue to "select and install software" part of the install it tells me a fatal error has occured. How can i reset this portion of the install?
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00:31<AndyJ>Can anyone help me identify the URI for a network printer?
00:32<AndyJ>I have found it's IP address and printer name, but so far no luck with CUPS
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00:35<AndyJ>All attempts so far fail with an error like: /usr/lib/cups/backend/http failed
00:35<AndyJ>or ipp failed
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00:55<members>how can I get debian to adjust for Daylight Savings Time? Our clock is one hour fast although it is configured for the correct time zone.
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01:00<p_quarles>members, try dpkg-reconfigure tzdata -- I think the option will come up in that dialogue
01:01<members>thanks p_quarles
01:01<members>bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found
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01:09<vivek>Hello all
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01:16<p_quarles>members, you need to run that as root
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01:17<members>oh.. that makes sense. Thank you again! :)
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01:18<members>Your current time zone is set to America/Chicago
01:18<members>Do you want to change that? [n]: n
01:19<members>nothing about daylight savings time
01:19<members>I can just configure it to use a different timezone
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01:19<members>although that would not be as good because I might not be able to administrate this computer come fall
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01:20<Cpt_Courageous>what packages do i need in order to successfully install CGI using cpan?
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01:22<p_quarles>members, select "yes" this time and select the same time zone -- I believe it will ask you if you want it to track daylight saving time
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01:24<members>Name: [] Central
01:24<members>Your default time zone is set to 'US/Central'.
01:24<members>Local time is now: Wed May 21 01:23:13 CDT 2008.
01:24<members>Oh sweet.. that's the correct time!
01:24<members>Good thing I'm not administrating next fall haha
01:24<tyi>hi, is there a usage for apt-get/cache to find which package supplies a particular file I need from it?
01:24<members>wait.. no.. it's 12:24
01:25<members>dang it
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01:25<dpkg>methinks utc is Coordinated Universal Time ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # invoke-rc.d restart
01:25<jm_>tyi: no
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01:25<jm_>!tell tyi -about search
01:26<members>Universal Time is now: Wed May 21 06:23:13 UTC 2008.
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01:29<members>I guess we just can't use the internet time syncronization.
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01:31<superjet>I want to to drop connect to weburl in x.x.x.x, however, firefox still can browse the web, after I've added in /etc/shorewall/rules `DROP loc net:x.x.x.x tcp 80`, what's wrong?
01:32<superjet>it's shorewall firewall
01:32<jm_>superjet: you need to add it to the right chain, read iptables tutorial
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01:33<superjet>jm_: sure, I known it but just how to do it in shorewall ;-)
01:34<jm_>superjet: it's the same thing, specify the proper chain
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01:38<jm_>superjet: i.e. filter table, OUTPUT chain
01:38<jm_>I suppose shorewall has the option to do that
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01:42<superjet>jm_: I'm looking for it in the manuals in shorewall-{policy,rules...} :)
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01:59<the-dude>DROP loc net: tcp 80
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02:18<Slydder>morning all
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02:21<superjet>the-dude: doesn't work, it seems that I should put the policy into /etc/shorewall/policy, however, the file can't accpet ip address only the follow:"DEST — zone|$FW|all"
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02:21<Slydder>am looking for ideas on keeping my /home directory updated on my external usb harddrive. I could just copy over everything and then keep track of it myself but am wondering if there are any REALLY good programs out there that will automatically compare my /home directory with the contents of the usb drive and then update those things that have changed.
02:22<Slydder>moin raz0rsedge
02:22<jm_>Slydder: yes there are
02:22<raz0rsedge>hi Slydder
02:22<superjet>Slydder: rsync
02:23<Slydder>jm_: I've tried 2 till now and they kinda suck as they are not automated. I want to be able to plug the drive in when I come to work and the changes that I made overnight at home will be updated on my work system. then I work on the local copy and all is automatically updated on the usb drive.
02:24<jm_>Slydder: you can easily achieve auto-update via udev rules
02:25<Slydder>jm_: hmmm. hadn't thought of that
02:25<Slydder>a one time run when connected to update FROM the usb to local hd and then a constant update from local hd to usb
02:28<jm_>Slydder: have you tried unison?
02:28<Slydder>got a url?
02:28<jm_>apt-cache show unison
02:29<superjet>Slydder: `git pull` ?
02:29<Slydder>that sounds nice
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02:29<Slydder>i like git but mostly as a cvs replacement.
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02:33<the-dude>superjet: you just want to block on ipaddress?
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02:35<superjet>the-dude: no, maybe deny access to the host will be better
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02:36<Slydder>jm_: unison is VERY nice. thanks for the tip
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02:37<Slydder>very simple and seems to do exactly what I want.
02:37<Slydder>and just noticed there is a gui for it as well. unison-gtk
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02:40<rrm>hi room
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02:43<the-dude>superjet: whatever you want
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02:45<superjet>the-dude: block web access to the url(x.x.x.x) in shorewall
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02:51<the-dude>superjet: do you have a rule like ACCEPT loc net tcp 80 ?
02:52<the-dude>place a rule like : DROP $FW net: tcp 80 before the accept rule
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03:02<vivek>i have in stalled busy box and some supporting packages on a seperate partition, while booting its not finding the "init" script, but it is been simlinked under /sbin directory to /bin/busybox what is the problem can any one help me please?
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03:03<superjet>the-dude: `grep 80 /etc/shorewall/rules` no other policy, not works, thanks :)
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03:06<the-dude>superjet: you can turn on logging in policy, that way you can see why it is accepted
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03:08<superjet>the-dude: ok, have a try :)
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03:11<vivek>can any one give hints plz?
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03:17<jjjj>every body
03:18<jjjj>fuck fuck
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03:19<sep>!tell jjjj about ask
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03:21<sep>jjjj, just imagine 340 people greeted you back. if everyone should say hello all the time nothing would ever be done
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03:35<superjet>the-dude: after shorewall export, `grep -r 80 firewall` gives:`-A loc2net -p 6 --dport 80 -d x.x.x.x -j DROP`, can't find error, maybe it's bug in shorewall or so, thanks again! :)
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03:37<the-dude>superjet: it works at my shorewall
03:38<the-dude>superjet: try adding a rule DROP loc net: tcp 80
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03:50<superjet>the-dude: update shorewall from 4.0.8 to 4.0.11 to take a look
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03:57<the-dude>which configs are you using anyway
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04:16<superjet>the-dude: DROP net net: tcp www
04:16<superjet>sorry for misplace windows
04:17<superjet>the-dude: exported firewall
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04:34<the-dude>superjet: are you using debian?
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04:35<Baggy2>where can I find info about the different ioctl requests? The man page is extremely limited..
04:38<jm_>which man page?
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04:42<Baggy2>jm_: checked out "man 2 ioctl" and located sys/ioctl, that eventually resulted in me finding the asm-i486/ioctls.h file. The file only defines the reququests and does not describe what they do.. I know I've read about the requests earlier, but I can't remember exactly where..
04:43<superjet>the-dude: what's the problem?
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04:45<the-dude>superjet: are you using the examples given from the shorewall package?
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04:46<jm_>Baggy2: how about man ioctl_list?
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04:48<jm_>Baggy2: some ioctls are explained in the kernel Documentation dir
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04:55<Baggy2>jm_: the ioctl_list page only list the requests as defines in the ioctls.h file. I've also tried searching the doc folder as you suggested. find . -type f -exec grep -H FIONREAD {} \; gave me one hit, but no explanation about FIONDREAD :/
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04:58<Baggy2>without the D in there..
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05:00<superjet>the-dude: no, I've use the config for many years, and just modify rules,zones,interfaces,masq and policy
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05:06<jm_>Baggy2: you just pass a fd to that one, not sure where you would have read about it
05:06<jm_>Baggy2: and pointer to var where it returns the result
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05:10<Baggy2>jm_: Thanks, but I am already using it. I just wanted to find out where I could find documentation.. If you don't know about this request, how to find out about it?
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05:11<Baggy2>The ioctl documentation could've been better..
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05:14<jm_>Baggy2: google ;)
05:15<Baggy2>jm_: =) I agree that google is a good approach, but in this case it actually seems like it's the only option. I believe it would've been better to add such documentation to the standard man pages
05:16<jm_>Baggy2: absolutely, you are welcome to do so :P
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05:17<Baggy2>jm_: excellent point :-)
05:17<jm_>Baggy2: udp, inotify and tty_ioctl mention it
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05:17<jm_>those are man pages, sorry
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05:20<Baggy2>jm_: ah.. so the info has been moved various man pages, still, I rather would've wanted to list all the requests (with comments) in one file or mag page)
05:20<Baggy2>err.. someone should add comments to the ioctls.h file
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05:23<jm_>Baggy2: yeah, it's a bitch to document all of them, a lot of work, I can see why no-one wants to do it
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05:24<padski>man 2 ioctl_list ;-)
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05:26<Baggy2>Is it possible to grep all man pages with a single command?
05:27<Baggy2>padski: yes, but it only shows the defines, not what the requests actually do
05:27<jm_>Baggy2: yes it is
05:28<padski>Baggy2, literally ?
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05:28<padski>find /usr/share/man -type f | xargs zgrep FIONREAD
05:28<padski>that sort of thing ?
05:29<padski>I'm sure there is a tool :-)
05:31<padski>petemc, is not as complete as a grep
05:31<padski>petemc, or mine is broken :-)
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05:31<Baggy2>Using find works niceley, just what I need =)
05:31<petemc>as per its man page, it searches names and descriptions
05:31<Baggy2>making a bash script for it
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05:32<Baggy2>thanks and good bye
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05:33<jm_>petemc: it does, but description is usually very short
05:34<jm_>i.e. that's not the content that people tipically associate it with :)
05:34<Baggy2>petemc: apropos finds nothing when searching for FIONREAD
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05:34<petemc>Baggy2: i didnt suggest it would, but was responding to padskis comment about their being a tool to search man pages
05:35<petemc>however limited that tool may be
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05:35<padski>petemc, I thought there was another more complete index. is whatis just an alias for apropos ?
05:35<petemc>not sure
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05:36<petemc>man -k too
05:36<jm_>-k is the apropos AFAIK
05:36<jm_>the same as even
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06:02<riot_max>Hi guys
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06:04<riot_max>I've got a question for you
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06:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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06:27<foka>Hi! Has anyone seen this before? I'm in gnome-terminal; when running "sudo su -", I press any key, and it logout for me.
06:27<foka>For example: foka@pense:~$ sudo su -
06:27<foka>pense:~# alogout
06:27<foka>(I pressed "a")
06:27<foka>Thanks in advance!
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06:27<jm_>did you try it in xterm?
06:28<jm_>but what's the point of using sudo su?
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06:34<Woet>Can someone explain me what SSH keyfiles are for, and how to use them?
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06:39<Woet>jm_: anything else then man?
06:40<jm_>Woet: no idea
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06:42<SlayerXP>Woet: is google illegal where you live>
06:42<Woet>nope, but it doesnt tell me anything
06:43<SlayerXP>woet: funny, googling for "how to use an ssh key file" gives me a link to a very good guide
06:43<themill>Woet: google for ssh key and the second hit is quite good. You need to work on your google skillz.... :)
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06:44<SlayerXP>woet: I'm curious as to which serach term you used.
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06:45<Woet>SlayerXP: 'SSH keyfile'
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06:46<Woet>I simply want nobody to be able to connect to SSH without that file
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06:47<jm_>you can't achieve that
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06:47<themill>jm_: you can disable password logins
06:48<jm_>themill: yes, but that doesn't prevent anyone from connection to ssh, or does it?
06:49<themill>jm_: well, it requires the correct key to authenticate; you can still connect to port 22 but you're not going to be able to login (which is what I think he really wants)
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07:05<rangnamei_>i guess im the absolute noobs here
07:06<truc>could anyone tell me if a switch redirects packets using their MAC address or their IP address ?
07:06<rangnamei_>i cant open yahoomail
07:06<rangnamei_>someone help here
07:06<rangnamei_>my pc hangs when i open yahoomail
07:07<petemc>try a different browser
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07:07<rangnamei_>which browser
07:07<petemc>thats up to you
07:07<rangnamei_>is there any other browser for ubuntu other than
07:08<petemc>ask #ubuntu on freenode
07:09<vook>rangnamei_: if you are using the "new" yahoo mail, you may need to switch to "classic".
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07:09<vook>(it's faster anyway)
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07:11<vook>truc: switches are layer 2 devices, so it would be with their MAC address.
07:11<padski>truc, you are way off-topic in #debian with that one. you do get "layer 3" switches
07:11<petemc>you can get layer 3 switches
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07:20<Woet>themill: I protect my SSH via iptables now
07:20<Woet>only my IP is allowed to use my SSH port
07:20<Woet>but it sucks, since my IP is dynamic
07:20<Woet>so im looking for other ways
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07:21<themill>Woet: disable password logins; use fail2ban; be happy.
07:22<themill>Woet: /msg dpkg fail2ban or look on or ask google
07:23<padski>themill, only covers some risks
07:23<maxb>port knocking is another options
07:24<maxb>* option
07:24<themill>padski: does pretty well
07:24<padski>Woet, you can figure out what address span a dynamic ip ranges over, but you still risk htat the provider will change it. simplest thing: get a static ip.
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07:25<padski>themill, why expose the service to traffic from korea if noone legit ever connects from korea ?
07:25<Woet>I just basicly only want my IP and the server itself ( to connect to SSH
07:25<themill>padski: absolutely. If you can take a stab at the ip range (/24 e.g.) then that's a better bet.
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07:26<Woet>or, another solution: root may login from every IP, any other account only from
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07:26<padski>do an asn lookup. see
07:26<themill>padski: Or limit it using a dyndns derived hostname
07:26<Hideo>well like maxb said port knocking is another options, although I don't know if there are port knocking clients for other OS's
07:27<maxb>who needs a client?
07:27<maxb>Just http://myhost:some-esoteric-port/ in a browser
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07:28<vook>just a thought - why not set up a vpn (like openvpn), and then limit ssh to only allow connections from the range assigned by the vpn?
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07:28<Hideo>maxb: I was under the assumption that it has to be within certain time frame
07:28<padski>I wrote a port-knocker a while back for exactly that. decided on simply having an obscure url.
07:28<maxb>It's not hard to hit enter in a browser, switch to a console, and ssh somewhere, all within a few seconds
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07:36<diamond>wazz up uk
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08:08<Fenrir> what this error could mean ? (or/and how to solve it)
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08:10<jm_>Fenrir: you've been told already
08:10<jm_>Fenrir: check the file arround given line
08:10<Fenrir>Jm checking
08:11<jm_>Fenrir: i.e. 5 lines before the problematic one and 5 lines after - feel free to paste it on the same site
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08:12<Fenrir>Jm rgr
08:13<Fenrir>there it is
08:13<Fenrir>i guess
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08:14<jm_>Fenrir: which line is 17607 ?
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08:14<jm_>Fenrir: sed -ne '17598,17618p' /var/lib/dpkg/status
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08:15<Fenrir>Maintainer� Debian Install System Team <> this is it
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08:15<Fenrir>this is 17607
08:15<jm_>Fenrir: yeah #
08:15<jm_>Maintainer� is the problematic one
08:16<Fenrir>so that one is the problem ?
08:16<jm_>Fenrir: do you have mc installed?
08:16<Fenrir>mc ?
08:16<jm_>yes, mc
08:16<Fenrir>hmm.. no
08:16<Fenrir>cause i dont know it :P
08:17<jm_>ok, install it so we will quickly check package's contents
08:17<jm_>ahh you can't, bummer
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08:18<Fenrir> ?
08:18<jm_>did you just install this system or has it gone poo all of a sudden?
08:18<jm_>Fenrir: check if you have /var/backups/dpkg.status where this is fine
08:19<Fenrir>aka status-old ?
08:19<Fenrir>oh soz
08:19<Fenrir>wrong dir
08:19<jm_>yeah also compare to status-old
08:20<Fenrir>Maintainer: Debian Install System Team <>
08:20<Fenrir>the fucked up char ? = :
08:21<Fenrir>replaced it
08:21<Fenrir>Setting up alsa-tools (1.0.13-1) ...Setting up mc (4.6.1-6) ...
08:21<Fenrir>as i typed apt-get install mc
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08:22<Fenrir>thanks jm_
08:22<Fenrir>allowed me to install mc =)
08:22<E0x>what dns server are installed when in the install process you choose DNS server from the options ? bind9 ?
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08:25<jm_>Fenrir: you don't need mc
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08:27<jaybe>hi all, i have a question about debian packages
08:27<jaybe>is there a way of finding out which files in a package have been modified?
08:27<jaybe>ie. compare a checksum for the installed file with meta data in the package
08:27<petemc>debsums, to a degree
08:28<jaybe>ok ta' i'll check it out
08:28<jm_>E0x: grep-available -F Task dns-server
08:28<jm_>wow grep-dctrl has serious problems parsing the command line
08:28<jaybe>looks like it can tell me if the package has changed
08:29<jaybe>but not which files
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08:29<E0x>jm_: thanks , i will check it later , right now i don't access to the debian server
08:29<jm_>ahh no it doesn't, it works fine, one just has to pay attention to using switches properly (i.e. -s vs -S)
08:30<jm_>E0x: etch lists dlint lwresd dnsutils bind9-doc and bind9 for me
08:30<E0x>ok , thx
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08:49<padski>I don't seem to be able to install firebug :-(
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08:56<padski>but the error in closeSafeFileOutputStream is reassuring ;-)
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09:29<NinjaMan>how do I get aptitude to ignore a particular dependency
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09:32<themill>!wayttd NinjaMan
09:32<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, NinjaMan?
09:32<NinjaMan>I'm trying to upgrade my clamac packages to 0.93
09:33<NinjaMan>but havp 0.87 has a dependency to the older clamav
09:33<NinjaMan>I've already replaced the havp binary with a new compiled version that works with the new clamav
09:34<NinjaMan>but since the a new havp 0.88 package doesn't exist the dependecies are still the old ones
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09:34<NinjaMan>either I want to uninstall havp without really uninstalling it (just make aptitiude think so)
09:35<NinjaMan>or I want aptitude to temporarily ignore the havp dependency so I can install the new version of clamav
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09:38<themill>NinjaMan: don't fight apt; learn to work with it. Leave your bad windows/redhat/slackware habits at the door.
09:40<themill>NinjaMan: There are a number of better approaches: backport clamav so that you can still install it from your own .deb; build from source but use an equivs package to provide the dependencies; check to see if debian is already providing a newer version for you.
09:40<NinjaMan>themill: all I want to do is to avoid having to package the new version havp myself
09:40<themill>NinjaMan: 0.92 is in volatile for etch. You may as well use that.
09:41<themill>NinjaMan: /msg dpkg volatile
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09:41<NinjaMan>themill: yes that is a possibility, but I have a new version of havp installed, it's just that I did it manually updated the binary
09:42<NinjaMan>and the package dependencies don't reflect reality
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09:43<themill>NinjaMan: so stop fighting apt. I take it you have rudely clobbered the apt-installed version with your compiled version too?
09:43<NinjaMan>and I installed aptitude-doc-en - but where the hell did it actually put the documentation - the /usr/share/doc/aptitude-doc-en/ folder does not contain the documetnation!
09:43<themill> /usr/share/doc/aptitude
09:44<NinjaMan>themill: hardly rudely - it was straight binary swap
09:44<NinjaMan>themill: the rest of the packge is still necessary
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09:44<themill>NinjaMan: that's very rude. You shouldn't be touching any files that the package management system is managing.
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09:45<NinjaMan>themill: so you are suggesting I rebuild the package from the new source
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09:45<themill>NinjaMan: Take a step back from the problem. Do you need 0.9.3 or do you just need something newer than what is in etch?
09:45<themill>(erm 0.93)
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09:47<NinjaMan>themill: do I need it? - well that is subjective - it is the latest recommended version of an anti-virus software! - therefore I follow the recommendation to afford my system to best protection
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09:49<themill>NinjaMan: the definitions used by clam are a different story again; the ones in etch-volatile are today's definitions.
09:49<NinjaMan>themill: the havp package maintainer just has not had time to update his software (the update has been available for a while)
09:49<NinjaMan>themill: I'm not talking about the virus definitions, I am talking about the anti-virus engine
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09:51<tango-->hello can i change the read-write permission for a specific user by root promt ?
09:51<SlayerXP>tango--: yes, you have our permission to do so.
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09:57<NinjaMan>themill: not to worry I edited the havp dependency in /var/lib/dpkg/status ;)
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09:58<themill>NinjaMan: it's your box, you get to keep both pieces when you break it.
09:58<NinjaMan>themill: for sure
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10:04<Anha26>Can't find secondary harddrive in Debian 4/etch
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10:05<Anha26>How can I make this harddrive viewable? Cables are plugged in, I formated the secondary harddrive (HDD / HDD1) yesterday, at same computer
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10:09<pgimeno>I've written a patch to fix a bug in WindowMaker but the maintainer does not seem to reply and the main developers seem to be MIA. Any suggestion on what can I do to get this fixed?
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10:14<dondelelcaro>pgimeno: did you send the patch to the BTS?
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10:19<Mrkva>hi... anyone can help me with grsecurity and denyhosts?
10:19<Mrkva>grsec: (default:D:/) denied open of /etc/hosts.deny for appending by /usr/bin/python2.4[python:1157] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0, parent /sbin/init[init:1] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0
10:20<Woet>I just basicly only want my IP and the server itself ( to connect to SSH
10:20<Woet>or, another solution: root may login from every IP, any other account only from
10:20<Mrkva>what should i add to policy files? allow appending to hosts.deny by python isn't good idea :)
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10:21<wololo>Mrkva: you should ask on #grsecurity
10:21<Mrkva>thansk for redirect :)
10:21<dondelelcaro>pgimeno: yeah; that looks like a package which needs a new maintainer. Try mailing jaque and waiting for him to respond; if you did and he hasn't, then you'll have to find someone who is willing to maintain that package and possibly someone who is willing to sponsor if the maintianer isn't a developer
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10:22<dondelelcaro>pgimeno: I personally don't use windowmaker, so I can't really do much for you on that particular issue, though if you're using it and want to maintain it, I'm sure you can find a sponsor if jaque doesn't respond.
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10:23<AbsintheSyringe>how can I give permissions to virtualbox to use usb, I see my usb devices, but can't mount them while on it or anything
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10:24<pgimeno>dondelelcaro: thanks, I don't think I can maintain it though
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10:28<Anha26>Can anyone help me, to fix an harddrive problem? I can't see my harddrive inside Konqueror in Debian 4... Cables are mounted to the harddrive, and it worked yesterday
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10:30<dondelelcaro>pgimeno: well, that's pretty much the problem. Someone needs to for the patch to be applied.
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10:32<pgimeno>dondelelcaro: is it usual for bugs to be fixed in Debian rather than upstream?
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10:33<dondelelcaro>pgimeno: depends on the package, really.
10:33<dondelelcaro>pgimeno: if upstream is dead or insane, we fix them.
10:34<pgimeno>dondelelcaro: good to know, thanks
10:34<kop>Woet: That's a terrible idea. The sshd_config man page (AllowUsers? etc) says how to do it. Or use pam, that would probably work too.
10:34<Woet>I want every user to login from, and only root from every other IP
10:35<Woet>so allowusers wont work.
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10:35<Woet>more like a combination of allowusers/allowhosts would be nice
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10:36<SlayerXP>Woet: you are confused. how would a user login to the box from
10:36<kop>Woet : There's some sort of per-network config in newer sshds, I think.
10:36<SlayerXP>to do that, they'd already have to be logged on to the box
10:36<SlayerXP>ewwww php
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10:36<Woet>im not asking about your opinion about PHP though.
10:36<themill>Woet: haven't we been through this before?
10:36*SlayerXP loses interest
10:37<Woet>themill: didnt get any working response by then
10:37<Woet>so im trying again.
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10:37<themill>Woet: your answer is sudo not ssh.#
10:37<Woet>it wont work.
10:37<Woet>themill: may I pm you to fully explain it?
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10:38<kop>Woet : May as well expain here.
10:38<themill>Woet: no, if you can tell me in private then you can explain it to the entire channel.
10:38<kop>Woet : How about running a separate ssh server on another port that does just what you want?
10:38<Woet>kop: please explain me how to run 2 concurrent SSH servers?
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10:38<Woet>it seems like a great idea
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10:39<kop>Woet : You use ListenAddress, I'd think, and a separate config file. (sshd -f ...)
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10:40<Woet>hmm, I will try
10:40<Woet>thanks :)
10:40<Woet>i will just use allowusers on both of them
10:40<Woet>and use iptables to protect the one without allowusers
10:40*themill mumbles about it still being the wrong tool for the job
10:40<Woet>themill: its exactly what I need
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10:40<Woet>and since you wont allow me to pm you, you wont fully understand why its needed.
10:41<kop>Woet : You tell everybody, so we can all be smarter.
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10:41<Woet>its a key part of my company, so im not interested telling 375 people about it :)
10:42<petemc>it sounds like you have some half baked ideas that you could do with a steer on
10:43<petemc>if you require discretion, a consultant might be a better idea
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10:45<Woet>petemc: thanks for caring, but no.
10:45<themill>Woet: Even if you were to pm me, why do you think someone wouldn't be sniffing the IRC traffic somewhere. Or that I wouldn't just paste it back into the channel anyway? Either it's crucial and you don't tell anyone or it's not and you can tell anyone.
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10:45<petemc>Woet: i dont care
10:45<Woet>nice and loving again, just as usual.
10:45<petemc>i just like to pass comment
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10:47<vook>anyone have an idea what may cause nautilus to fail to acknowledge right clicks correctly? They work fine in xfce. It's like it sees the click, but the click only selects (doesn't bring up a menu either on the desktop or within the file manager) ??
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10:48<themill>padski: yep... with some daft php -> ssh -> run command interface going on to allow him to change the user that the command is being run as. Who would have thought that there was another way of doing that without needing ssh??
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10:51<padski>themill, I found myself reading Norman Hardy's stuff of capabilities the other day ... for a moment there I was almost sold :-)
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10:52<Fenrir>again hi
10:52<Fenrir>now last prob before all is prolly working: audio
10:53<Fenrir>got sum packet pc so dont rly know what card do i have..
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10:59<kop>Fenrir : The card probably does not matter, but the chipset does. You want to use lspci. (probably) (And that's all I know about audio.)
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11:00<dpkg>well, sound is ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts> and <devdsp>. For sarge go to
11:00<Fenrir>Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
11:00<Fenrir>is that a audio card ?
11:00<Fenrir>not sure =P
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11:00<alfa>what is tar.bz2 file ???????
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11:01<alfa>hello ????
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11:03<themill>Fenrir: no, that's a network card
11:03<Fenrir>themill, oh y i got a-link so it might recodinze via chipset
11:03<themill>alfa: it's an archive, a bit like a zip file. Use tar jxf filename.tar.bz2 or ark or file-roller to decompress it.
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11:04<Fenrir>th integrated audio card tho
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11:07<Fenrir> is missing
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11:08<alfa>can kubuntu use deb packige ??
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11:08<dpkg>well, kubuntu is yet another Debian derivative. It is <Ubuntu> with KDE instead of GNOME. As such, it is not Debian and is not supported on #debian (see <based on debian caveats>). For kubuntu support, please join #kubuntu on
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11:09<Fenrir>can i open .rpm on debian ?
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11:09<alfa>fenrir yas u can by alien
11:09<dpkg>alien is, like, a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at
11:10<padski_>Fenrir, or see rpm2cpio
11:10<Fenrir>alfa, cause seems like the file i am looking on is on mandriva format
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11:11<alfa>how i play a game in debian based linux ????
11:11<Torsten_W>start it
11:11<Fenrir>what should i take of those ?
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11:12<alfa>and what the file format i must use ??
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11:12<Torsten_W>Fenrir: what are you doin?
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11:12<Fenrir>Torsten_W, need a file
11:12<Fenrir>to get my sounds working
11:12<Torsten_W>Fenrir: is in libasound2
11:13<Torsten_W>Fenrir: so apt-get install libasound2
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11:13<Fenrir>Torsten_W, wtf.. it says i got the file
11:13<alfa>what is get-apt command ?????
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11:13<Fenrir>but still it says its missing
11:13<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude>, or unsoftware
11:14<Torsten_W>Fenrir: who is sying that?
11:14<Fenrir>Torsten_W, control center
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11:14<Torsten_W>Fenrir: have you do alsaconf?
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11:15<Vantage>hi, i've setup two raid arrays with debian on my nslu2. I boot and the root filesystem is mounted using /dev/md1, however, cat /proc/mdstat doesn't show md1 as a raid array. mdadm -A /dev/md1 produces mdadm: no devices found for /dev/md1. Any idea why this is and what can be done about it?
11:15<Vantage>The other array is working fine
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11:17<Fenrir>Torsten_W, still complains about it
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11:17<Torsten_W>Fenrir: i dont know, what are you doin
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11:18<Fenrir>Torsten_W, trying to get sounds to work
11:19<Torsten_W>Fenrir: then paste lspci | grep -i audio and cat /proc/asound/version
11:19<Fenrir>00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0)
11:20<Fenrir>and second: no such directory
11:20<Torsten_W>Fenrir: and alsaconf ends with no error?
11:20<Torsten_W>which debian-version?
11:20<Fenrir>modinfo: could not find module snd
11:20<Fenrir>oh this one
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11:20<Torsten_W>Fenrir: which kernel?
11:21<Fenrir>2.6.18 deb
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11:31<laeborg>any IRC programs there looks like mIRC for windows?
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11:32<Fenrir>laeborg, x-chat prolly
11:33<padski>mIRC users generally report that there is nothing quite like it
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11:34<laeborg>i am usign XChat atm
11:34<laeborg>but I have used mIRC since I was 12, so I think XChat looks ugly
11:35<padski>they didn't have mIRC on the apple][
11:35<petemc>i hear tell of people running mirc under wine
11:35<padski>petemc, I set that up for a friend, he said it worked
11:35<petemc>irssi + screen works well for me
11:36<laeborg>yes, I also tried that, but then the nicklist in the right side of the screen screw up every time I browsed the channels
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11:37<padski>6.3 and 6.31 are listed as "platinum support". I think that means they work.
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11:37<Dark-Side_UrT>can someone tell me how to see the version of my nvidia drivers ?
11:37<laeborg>how can i see my WINE version?
11:37<padski>dpkg -l wine
11:37<dpkg>ii wine 3.5-12.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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11:38<padski>laeborg, what version of mirc were you using ?
11:39<laeborg>6.31 + NoNamedScript
11:39<Fenrir>cant get em work
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11:44<dave_>install adobe 8
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11:56<adii>i've just plugged in my external usb hard-drive. i wanna know which "/dev/sd" points to it ?
11:58<less>Doesn't dmesg tell you?
11:59<adii>i'll ask him wait
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11:59<less>Just open up a konsole, or a terminal and type dmesg.
11:59<adii>oh yea nice guy
11:59<less>Oh yes, the bot. ;-)
12:00<adii>and, isn't there some graphic things to manage hard drive ? ;) not that dmesg doesn't appeal to me but ..
12:00<dpkg>Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>.
12:00<adii>!kde automount
12:00<dpkg>To automount CDs and USB disks under kde, aptitude install kdebase-kio-plugins; adduser your_username plugdev; you will have to log out and back in before it works.
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12:01<adii>nah i don't want to auto mount, just to have some gui with all my hard drives, etc. ;)
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12:01<padski>adii, wander into /dev with konqueror ?
12:01<themill>adii: it doesn't actually automatically mount it, it brings up a dialogue and says "do you want me to mount it for you".
12:02<less>heh, padski. ;-)
12:03<themill>adii: There's also a "storage media" applet you can stick on your KDE panel
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12:03<padski>in fact there is a /dev/disk there that I thought went out with devfs
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12:03<themill>adii: and kwikdisk
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12:04<themill>padski: no, it's a udev thing; udev makes lots of nice symlinks for you so you can address the disk in lots of different ways
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12:06<padski>themill, and hence also configurable :-)
12:06<themill>padski: indeed
12:06<padski>less, also kdf
12:06<themill>padski: kdf is depressing.... it reminds me that all my disks are full :(
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12:08<less>rm -rf could be of use here. ;-)
12:08<themill>less: indeed... I'm contemplating that
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12:08<weasel>yup. purge kdf
12:08<less>Just write anything you wish to keep to CD or DVD first.
12:08<padski>themill, do what I did: run your desktop in a domU on etch xen ;-)
12:09<themill>padski: wtf?! how would that help?
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12:09<padski>themill, it ate my filesystem yesterday :-)
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12:10<themill>weasel: actually, it's /home that needs cleansing
12:10<padski>nothing important lost and very little time to boot into another system, but still a bit depressing. haven't seen one like that in a long time.
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12:10<themill>padski: rsnapshot to the rescue?
12:11<less>/home is always a trouble maker when it comes to filling up partitions, yes.
12:12<padski>themill, I didn't have backup setup. I wasn't keeping anything important on that box.
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12:13<padski>themill, and in fact I managed to get /home off. it was /etc that got destroyed.
12:13<themill>padski: not too bad then. just annoying, like using windows.
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12:13<padski>themill, like I said, little practical importance, but it is a little sad when another experiment blows up :-)
12:15<less>You must not be working with explosives, padski. ;-)
12:18<padski>less, I wasn't planning on it, but it seems I may have misread the packaging ;-)
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12:21<padski>either that or I've killed another machine :-)
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12:31<boscaiolo>err, I'm sure I've seen how to do this... I have some filenames from m$ with & inside, that's ampersand.
12:31<boscaiolo>stat and mv can't see them
12:32<boscaiolo>I'd love my space remover script to get rid of these too. Any thoughts?
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12:32<themill>boscaiolo: use \ to escape the bad character, or put the entire name in quotes
12:32<boscaiolo>neither works with ampersand
12:33<themill>boscaiolo: both work with an ampersand.
12:34<boscaiolo>didn't for me in bash
12:34<themill>boscaiolo: then you're doing it wrong :) under bash, this works: touch "foo&bar"; mv "foo&bar" quux
12:34<boscaiolo>stat: impossibile fare stat di `this&that': No such file or directory
12:34<themill>boscaiolo: similarly, mv foo\&bar quux
12:34<themill>boscaiolo: show us the command, that's the important bit
12:35<boscaiolo>stat this\&that
12:35<boscaiolo>mv this\&that those
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12:35<boscaiolo>mv: impossibile fare stat di `this&that': No such file or directory
12:35<themill>boscaiolo: that should work just fine. And it does for me... what version of debian are you using?
12:36<themill>boscaiolo: hmm.... there's a newer version of bash in lenny
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12:37<Gathond>works fine in my bash as well (sid)
12:37<themill>boscaiolo: both \ and " work quite nicely in sid too. (I just tested them)
12:38<boscaiolo>oh, that is interesting -- I was testing this out using empty files (created with touch)
12:38<boscaiolo>if I put something in the file it does work
12:38<themill>hmmm... I think you managed to not have a typo in the filename :) I was just using touch too.
12:38<themill>boscaiolo: BTW tab completion is useful for all this
12:39<boscaiolo>no, tried several times with several filenames
12:39<boscaiolo>yes, I would normally use tab compl. but I wanted to script this
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12:39<boscaiolo>that is how I found the issue
12:40<themill>boscaiolo: you should always properly quote filenames anyway in scripts.
12:40<boscaiolo>so the typo is ruled out as the filename was a variable
12:40<themill>boscaiolo: not necessarily. Not if it weren't quoted properly still.
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12:41<boscaiolo>My script has just succeeded on a file with content and barfed the empty one
12:41<themill>boscaiolo: do it at the command line: just paste this in one hit: cd /tmp; touch "foo&bar"; mv "foo&bar" quux
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12:42<dwon>Is the actual filename "foo&bar", or something like "foo&bar " (extra space at the end), or "foo&
12:42<dwon>foo&bar" <-- newline in filename
12:42<themill>dwon: good point
12:42<Fenrir>Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller <- any guide to find drivers for this ?
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12:43<boscaiolo>themill, thanks. It seems still odd, but works on an empty file with double quotes now
12:44<dwon>python -c 'import os, pprint; pprint.pprint(os.listdir("."))' <-- might be handy
12:44<themill>boscaiolo: try to get whatever is making these horrible filenames to make slightly easier ones. Also beware of assuming that spaces are filename separators in lists. /msg dpkg bashfaq
12:45<dwon>also, you have to be careful with stuff like scp and rsync, which tends to need double-escaping
12:45<boscaiolo>yes, good point dwon
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12:46<themill>beware the : in the filename....
12:46<boscaiolo>but my intention is always to clean up filenames as soon as I get crap ones in
12:46<boscaiolo>And I do get crap ones from almost everybody in gatesville
12:47<themill>boscaiolo: you might find a sequence like find -print0 | xargs -0 rename is useful for you.
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12:48<boscaiolo>ok. I am just thinking about scripting to pick out all punctuation from filenames and put say underscores for any of them
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12:48<dwon>or, something like this (bash-specific; make sure to use #!/bin/bash and not #!/bin/sh): find -print0 | while IFS= read -rd $'\0' f ; do echo "[$f]" ; done
12:48<themill>boscaiolo: (with an appropriate file search pattern to find and a nice substitution regexp for rename)
12:49<Fade_To_Black>hello. I think I have a problem with writing cd's. I run debian lenny and have a plextor PX-712A dvd burner. Back when I was using ubuntu I downloaded debian stable and burned that iso on a dvd. That worked and I installed a system with it. But now I downloaded debian testing small cd iso and when I burn it I can't boot from it with my other computer, but I can with this one
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12:49<Fade_To_Black>so I tested with other iso's same story
12:49<boscaiolo>themill, yes ... needs a bit of thought
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12:50<themill>boscaiolo: something like: rename -n 's/[^\w\-\.]/_/g'
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12:51<boscaiolo>ok, i've noted that for analysis
12:51<boscaiolo>never quite worked out what was happening with the this&that file
12:51<dwon>Fade_To_Black: so, it boots fine in the machine with the dvd burner, but not in the computer without one?
12:52<boscaiolo>as soon as I did echo banana >> 'this&that'
12:52<boscaiolo>it became renameable
12:52<themill>boscaiolo: :) the rename command is what you are trying to reinvent. -n says "don't do it" the regular expression matches everything except word characters numbers - and . and changes them to _.
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12:52<Fade_To_Black>yes and in others too
12:52<Fade_To_Black>except in that one
12:52<themill>boscaiolo: I'd guess that you had a space at the beginning or end of the filename too
12:52<Fade_To_Black>but the debian stable one it boots
12:52<boscaiolo>could b
12:53<boscaiolo>and thatnks for the regexp
12:53<themill>boscaiolo: that's what dwon was suggesting, along with a couple of other ways of listing directories to show you such traps
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12:53<themill>boscaiolo: no worries
12:53<Fade_To_Black>i think the problem happened after I compiled my own kernel
12:53<dwon>Fade_To_Black: do the other machines have DVD readers? Even if it's a CD image, if you burn it to DVD media, other machines won't be able to read it unless they have DVD readers.
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12:53<Fade_To_Black>dwon, yes has dvd reader
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12:54<dwon>Fade_To_Black: what tool are you using to burn the DVD?
12:54<dwon>also, what kind of DVD media are you using?
12:54<Fade_To_Black>dwon, it boots the bootable dvd I burned still using ubuntu, but not with this one
12:54<Fade_To_Black>dwon, I tried 3 tools, gnomebaker, x-cd-roast and nautilus
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12:55<Fade_To_Black>dwon, dvd media TDK
12:55<dwon>Fade_To_Black: DVD-R, DVD+R, or something else?
12:55<Fade_To_Black>right now I'm using cd's
12:56<dwon>ah. ok. If you were using DVD-Rs, I was going to recommend you stop doing that.
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12:56<dwon>Fade_To_Black: I suggest installing wodim, then make sure to use the "-dao" option.
12:57<Fade_To_Black>wodim is command line tool?
12:57<dwon>Fade_To_Black: You should be able to do: wodim -v -dao cd_image.iso
12:57<dwon>Fade_To_Black: yes, wodim is a command-line tool.
12:57<dwon>it's a fork of cdrecord, IIRC.
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12:58<boscaiolo>themill, what does rename do about name collisions?
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12:58<josh>I have some compiz questions
12:58<boscaiolo>i.e. do I have to script for this eventuality?
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12:58<Fade_To_Black>sure I'll give it a try. Is it possible I did something wrong like upgrading to etch-> lenny, aptitude purge gnome and compile new kernel? the rest works fine, had to install drivers again, but is there a driver I need for the cd as well?
12:59<dwon>Fade_To_Black: the "-dao" option is similar to "Close disc" or "Finalize disc" or whatever the GUI tools call it. Some CD drives need this (usually burners don't, but read-only drives often do).
12:59<themill>boscaiolo: man rename... I think it doesn't rename in that case
12:59<dwon>Fade_To_Black: It's very unlikely to be a kernel issue, unless you have a really old kernel.
12:59<boscaiolo>man doesnt say
12:59<Guest106>how do i get windwo preview to work with windows that are minimized
12:59<dwon>Fade_To_Black: and even then, I think the tools just don't work if your kernel is too old.
12:59<themill>boscaiolo: man rename has a --force option though...
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13:00<boscaiolo>ahh, that does imply the answer, yes
13:00<Fade_To_Black>dwon, I'll try that wodim first tnx.
13:00<boscaiolo>thanks again
13:00<dwon>Fade_To_Black: No problem. Also, is there a reason why you're compiling your own kernel? That's generally not needed (or advised) anymore.
13:00<themill>boscaiolo: it's a 30 second test to make.... touch foo goo ; rename 's/f/g/' foo
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13:00<Fade_To_Black>dwon, yes self study
13:01<Fade_To_Black>dwon, I want to know all about linux
13:01<Fade_To_Black>so I never have to go to ms again
13:01<finek>what rss client for etch?
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13:02<Fade_To_Black>dwon, the reason that made me do that was that I wanted higher resolution in my tty's and boot up, plus I wanted the tux logo visible
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13:03<mike>If anybody has a moment (I do see there are lots of conversations going on)... I'm trying to install Debian on a new box and want to encrypt my home partition only. Anybody familiar enough with Debian setup to help me with that?
13:03<mike>I just need to tell it what to mount this encrypted partition as.
13:03<mike>(I think)
13:03<mike>I'm using "Use as: physical volume for encryption"
13:03<dwon>Fade_To_Black: I don't think you need to compile a kernel to do that. I think it works if you just get the framebuffer driver into your initrd (or, at least loaded early on).
13:04<dwon>mike: check out dm-crypt/luks
13:05<mike>dwon: Darnit, is that one of the options under 'Use as:'? I already asked it to write partition info to disk so I could configure the encrypted partition(s). If that's an option, I'll just reboot...
13:05<dwon>mike: and keep in mind that there are so many problems with disk encryption these days that it won't keep determined adversaries out
13:05<Fade_To_Black>dwon, I asked grub to use vga=7something I forgot the exact value, but it didn't work.
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13:05<mike>dwon: Thank you for the heads-up. I will read up on that.
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13:06<Fade_To_Black>dwon, any repository for wodim?
13:07<dwon>mike: oh, in debian-installer... sorry, I missed that. you shouldn't need to reboot. If you cancel any step, I think you get back to a menu that lists the steps you can perform, so you can redo just those steps.
13:07<dwon>Fade_To_Black: just the standard repository:
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13:08<mike>dwon: True, but the wipe step that encryption kicks off doesn't have a cancel option so I just rebooted.
13:08<mike>dwon: Looks like I had dm-crypt selected all along (durr) as the encryption method.
13:09<mike>It's the setting it up as /home that eludes me.
13:09<mike>Maybe I have to do it later, in fstab?
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13:09<dwon>mike: you'd set it up the same place where you'd tell it where to get / and swap from.
13:09<leandro>I have problem to install updates with Debian 3.1
13:09<leandro>I need to run a wine install exe
13:09<leandro>The team is a thin client t5725 hp
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13:10<dwon>mike: I think it's under the "partitioning wizard" or something.
13:10<Fade_To_Black>dwon, just one more thing. How come when insert the debian stable disc in my cddrive or even another linux OS then I can't open it anymore without rebooting
13:11<fxiny>umount it first then eject
13:11<dwon>mike: I don't know about dm-crypt, but with LVM, you end up setting up your LVM logical volumes first as part of "LVM configuration", then once you go back to the partitioning wizard, the LVs become listed as "partitions", and you can tell the installer how to format them and where to mount them.
13:11<fxiny>umount /media/cdrom && eject
13:11<Fade_To_Black>fxiny: ok tnx, I'll try that. Can u also tell me why it's behaving like that?
13:12<dwon>fxiny: you generally can't if you're booting from the cd
13:12<Fade_To_Black>I'm not
13:12<fxiny>Fade_To_Black: it's locked , type df
13:12<Fade_To_Black>I have a knoppix disc in my drive now and can't get it out (the normal way) I just want to know why it's doing that
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13:13<dwon>Fade_To_Black: Most CD drives let the operating system "lock" them. Windows never uses this (since it treats CDs more like floppy disks). It used to be that if you removed a CD from a Win9x machine while it was in use, you'd get a BSOD saying "please insert CD". Linux avoids having to deal with mounted CDs going missing by locking the drive while it's in use.
13:13<themill>leandro: the chances of you getting some random windoes installer to work under Sarge's wine are minimal. Also, sarge is no longer updated, /msg dpkg sarge->etch
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13:14<dwon>Fade_To_Black: there's a switch somewhere in /proc or /sys to get Linux to not lock CD drives, but I don't recommend using it.
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13:14<Fade_To_Black>dwon, it locks only bootable cd's in my case
13:14<Fade_To_Black>or dvd's
13:15<leandro>I'm having problems to install wine on my hp t5725 (HP Thin Client), when I update the machine it's X11 environment stops working. does anybody know why is it happening?
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13:18<fxiny>mike: i have encrypted one of my ecth ( a plain clone) : / swap and home encrypted , boot in its own ext2 partition , it works very well , very good performances .
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13:19<fxiny>leandro: wine ? install libwine first then wine , is it sarge ?
13:20<mike>fxiny: Thank you. Swap, too? Wow.
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13:22<fxiny>mike: yes , i love boot unencrypted in old dear ect2 , it works like a charm : "one pass to encrypt 'em all" :)
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13:23<leandro>yes it is sarge
13:24<NinjaMa1>fxiny: does encryption make data recovery more difficult?
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13:25<fxiny>NinjaMa1: just data access
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13:27<fxiny>mike: to sanitize my partitions i used scrub , don't like frigging my hd with shred or some u/random/badblocks recipes
13:30<Fade_To_Black>dwon, burned the iso (dsl-n) with succes, can boot it with all computers I have except with that laptop that I want it to boot. (It only boots the debian stable one). Now I give up on that for a moment. The reason I want to use DSL-N is that it's a laptop 650MHZ with onyl 64MB RAM. It's for my little cousin but debian etch seems a little too big for 64MB memory. Is there a way I can reduce it? I only want him to use some games a
13:30<Fade_To_Black>nd educational software. I tried gnome and xfce but they take up 46 MB on idle.
13:30<leandro>fxiny: yes it is sarge
13:31<fxiny>leandro: right . i have sarge wine+lib on hold on my etch , never had probem with it .
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13:31<fxiny>leandro: i don't actually use it , you sure is winegiving you problem ? try unistalling it
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13:33<fxiny>NinjaMa1: i was bored so i just had a go with a cloning , is a nice game
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13:34<NinjaMa1>fxiny: ok, was it easy to encrypt an existing system?
13:34<finek>is there any rss client for gnome?
13:35<jdavies>finek: lifera
13:35<fxiny>NinjaMa1: i've cloned an existing system , just set things up from the unencrypted . make your intiram there and cp over
13:36<jdavies>finek: err, liferea*
13:36<finek>ok, thx
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13:38<fxiny>NinjaMa1: the trick is just that : initram
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13:39<NinjaMa1>fxiny: ok, is that to say that you can't do it without copying data into the encrypted partition through the normal filesystem layers 7 methods?
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13:39<leandro>fxiny: thanks morning trying to get well one week
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13:41<henry_>hi guys
13:41<henry_>how are you?
13:42<henry_>hola habkan español
13:42<Fade_To_Black>anyone knows how to make a minimalistic debian on a 650MHZ laptop with only 64MB ram?
13:43<leandro>thanks goodbye
13:44<henry_>help me please
13:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:44<ungido>hello everybody!
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13:44<ungido>I have installed LAMP
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13:45<ungido>but I can't put my files html into
13:45<ungido>the WWW folder
13:45<ungido>I don't have permition
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13:45<ungido>How can I change these permition
13:45<fxiny>NinjaMa1: is the same as cloning a normal system but doing all things LUKS needs , from a running etch , most important of all is the initram or you can't boot
13:45<ungido>whit my user
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13:46<ungido>with my user
13:46<fxiny>NinjaMa1: back your existing initram up . do your new one and co it over
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13:46<ungido>someOne is listeing me
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13:47<themill>dpkg: tell ungido about permissions
13:47<fxiny>NinjaMa1: my original partition scheme was : / home and swap . the new one is : / boot home and swap
13:48<fxiny>NinjaMa1: i can access my LUKS home from the plain etch anytime
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13:48<NinjaMa1>fxiny: I understand, just wondering if I can do an in situ conversion as I am out of disk space
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13:49<NinjaMa1>conversion => encryption
13:49<Fenrir>true that ati radeon X600 aint working on linux ?
13:49<Fenrir>and cant be getting worked
13:49<fxiny>NinjaMa1: sacrifice your last partition
13:50<NinjaMa1>fxiny: ok
13:50<fxiny>NinjaMa1: you cannot do it "in situ"
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13:50<fxiny>NinjaMa1: needs format mkfs and sanitizing
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13:51<NinjaMa1>fxiny: ok thanks fxiny, I will probably test on my swap first
13:51<fxiny>NinjaMa1: check out the admin tut for an lvm install
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13:52<NinjaMa1>fxiny: I am using lvm2 now. Does it work well with hibernation (given that the soon to be encrypted swap also houses the hibernation image)
13:53<fxiny>NinjaMa1: is a nice game : cryptab . fstab initram , keys , filling partitons up : i had a good time
13:53<NinjaMa1>fxiny: lol, ok
13:54<fxiny>NinjaMa1: but most impressive of all are performances : debian rocks :)
13:55<NinjaMa1>fxiny; you mean very little difference between encrypted and unencrypted?
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13:57<dwon>Fade_To_Black: I think xfce should be fine, as long as you leave enough swap space (don't try to figure out how much memory is being used; just use the system a bit and see if it *feels* usable)
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13:58<fxiny>NinjaMa1: negligible . my lenny will be encrypted plus a maintenance/recovery small partition or (if i get the right tip) an initram for it , something like this .
13:58<dwon>Fade_To_Black: I used to use wmaker and fspanel, and those worked out pretty well. You might want to avoid the full-blown desktop environments.
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13:58<dwon>Fade_To_Black: I've heard good things about fvwm, too.
14:01<Fade_To_Black>dwon, so basicly Damn Small Linux isn't any lighter weight than debian without the standard gnome desktop?
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14:02<fxiny>never tryed tiled window managers ? ion+, dwm, wmii, awesome, lars, xmonad ?
14:03<Fade_To_Black>is it like enlightenment?
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14:04<fxiny>no eyecandy , no icons
14:05<fxiny>and no virtual stuoid desktops :))
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14:05<fxiny>i'm lobbying/campaigning against virtual desktops
14:06<Fade_To_Black>I'll give those a shot. The problem is that I want my little cousin to get used to using linux (people who know linux/unix are more adept in learning windows than the other way around.) so I want the boy to have a puter which will get him acustomed to linux but still looks like windows a bit. (it's what they still get in school)
14:06<fxiny>virtual desktops are the clothes of the emperor
14:06<Fade_To_Black>they suck indeed
14:06<Fade_To_Black>u manage what u are doing
14:06<fxiny>they don't exist
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14:07<Fade_To_Black>I have them but don't use them
14:07<Fade_To_Black>hey not even windows has them
14:07<fxiny>in the tiled window manger dom there are tags as windows properties : you stick a tag and group windows easy , you brain will benefit
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14:09<fxiny>and windows manager guess what are doing ? managing windows , you don't resize
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14:09<Fade_To_Black>kinda like popping the ones up u need, when u need
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14:09<Fade_To_Black>kinda like autotile in mIRC ?
14:10<fxiny>pop is called floating
14:10<fxiny>mirc ?
14:10<dwon>Fade_To_Black: Don't worry about making it look like Windows. Kids are really good at figuring those kinds of things out. When I was a kid, I regularly juggled different machines with very different interfaces (CoCo vs DOS vs Windows vs AmigaDOS vs Amiga Workbench vs NetWare) without any trouble.
14:10<Fade_To_Black>whick wm u use?
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14:11<fxiny>i use flux and wmii , i'm waiting for lenny xmonad
14:11<fxiny>wmii is the easyest of all
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14:13<amphi>wmii is nice, but not optimal on a low-res panel
14:13<fxiny>Fade_To_Black: windows alike wm managers are sitting between you and your cpu making noise and confusion , you get easy stressed up
14:13<Fade_To_Black>and fluxbox?
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14:15<fxiny>amphi: i want a wide screen monitor just to fire iceweasel up and emacs side by side in A4 size format
14:15<Lard-O-Lad>I was having internet issues and had to skip the package update during the netinst installation, how can i do this now?
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14:16<amphi>fxiny: wmii must be nice on that; not so usable on my 1024x768 laptop panel, sadly
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14:17<padski>the netstat manual page lists -A as an option.
14:17<Fade_To_Black>my screen is 800*600 will wmii or fluxbox be good for using?
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14:18<amphi>Fade_To_Black: a tiling wm will be no fun on that at all
14:18<padski>matchbox ;-)
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14:19<Fade_To_Black>amphi, tnx
14:19<fxiny>amphi: arranging horizontal windows (in a small monitor like mine) and pasting from iceweasel to emacs in any tiled wm moving focus with a mod-jlkh is cool , tiling it vertical in a wide is a dream
14:20<amphi>fxiny: what res are you at?
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14:22<fxiny>amphi: 1024x768 here
14:23<amphi>I find wmii unsatisfactory at that res, myself
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14:24<fxiny>amphi: i am new at this wm . someone here told me about dwm one month ago . since then i'm looking at all tined wm around , planning ...
14:24<amphi>I played with wmii a good while back, not sure how it's gone since; does it still use a virtual fs for config etc. ?
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14:26<fxiny>amphi: yes , i don't like too much that virtual fs . there is so much to do and to think about a real window manager , xmonad seems to look further , awesome can show many layouts
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14:27<amphi>fxiny: wmii is self-consciously plan9-ish, or was when I last looked at it
14:27<fxiny>amphi: yes . is is plan9-ish
14:28<amphi>the acme of window managers ;)
14:28<fxiny>amphi: but is easy to start with and it does not use the damned virtual desktips pre-cooked icons like dwm and awesome
14:28<amphi>icons? *shudder*
14:29<simonrvn>thank you whomever k:lined those effing bots
14:29<fxiny>amphi: that squared clickable ugly thing with a number on it :)
14:29<amphi>I wot not of it
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14:30<amphi>I interact with WMs by keyboard pretty much exclusively
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14:32<Lard-O-Lad>kudos to dpkg creator, very funny
14:33<fxiny>amphi: maybe in the future will have windows managers offering dynamics layouts , are we using , say , emacs ? are we firing a browser up ? same tag ? we want certainly paste so hor or vert according to hardware specs
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14:34<fxiny>today we are resizing windows "a-la-pretty-monkey"
14:34<fxiny>and they call it windows managers :P
14:34<amphi>I tend to have my windows either maximized, or maximized vertically
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14:36<ematris>hi !
14:36<ematris>is someone there?
14:37<Hydroxide>ematris: many people, in fact.
14:37<fxiny>amphi: and the stupidity of a virtual desktop ? how many brain cells are set aside when "thinking" about such a idiocy ? :P
14:37<Hydroxide>ematris: not all of us are paying attention at once, but usually some are.
14:37<ematris>ok, Hydroxide
14:38<ematris>do you often use anjuta?
14:38<amphi>fxiny: why? I find 3x3 viewports useful here
14:38<Hydroxide>me personally? no. but don't ask your question to me, ask it to everyone
14:38<ematris>does someone use anjuta?
14:39<ematris>the gnu c/c++ ide
14:39<erKURITA>I used to
14:39<ematris>can you show me how to compile the first tutorial
14:39<erKURITA>once you load the project, press F9 (?) to compile it
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14:40<erKURITA>Maybe it's another F key, I can't recall
14:40<erKURITA>it's been months since I last used it
14:40<Rory_>I have a very good suggestion for a future filesystem that would work extremely well, but have no idea how to implement it. Is there a place on the Wiki for example where I can post it?
14:40<erKURITA>Rory_ you could write a draft and post it on the internet
14:40<fxiny>amphi: wrong . a window get a tag say 3 , you can recall all number 3 tags with one command , they all come to you .
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14:40<ematris>yeah but it says that some variables had not been declared in the system header files
14:40<Rory_>ok I will put it on Ubuntu forums for now (No flames plz)
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14:41<Elrond>Can someone tell me, why openbox and obconf don't move together from unstable to testing?
14:41<erKURITA>wha thte
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14:41<amphi>fxiny: that's the same in principle as 'virtual workspaces'; they're just window lists
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14:41<erKURITA>ematris such as?
14:41<fxiny>amphi: is different . i dont' use my brain cells to think about a virtual place
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14:41<fxiny>amphi: i am always one loop ahead
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14:41<amphi>fxiny: I don't see so much difference, in principle
14:42<ematris>erKURITA: "ptrdiff_t;" in cstddef
14:42<erKURITA>chances are you're missing header files
14:42<ematris>no i don't
14:42<ematris>for sure
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14:42<fxiny>amphi: is totally a different logic : a window get a tag as a prpperty
14:42<ematris>else it should tell me that
14:43<ematris>it just says tha a variable in that file has not been declared
14:43<fxiny>amphi: and you group 'em on the fly with your keyboard
14:43<erKURITA>well, maybe the tutorial is broken?
14:43<fxiny>amphi: you plan and the window mamager does it
14:43<erKURITA>as in, the source code
14:43<amphi>fxiny: I can send a window to an arbitrary viewport with a keybinding
14:43<ematris>so wat can i do?
14:44<ematris>i got it right with apt-get
14:44<amphi>fxiny: I don't think the difference is as great as you maintain, but perhaps I'm missing something
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14:44<fxiny>amphi: thare is no a viewport . that is an abstraction . i think real : i think tag
14:44<erKURITA>ematris either check the source code yourself or uninstall and re-install the package
14:44<fxiny>like a color
14:44<ematris>erKURITA: do you know another c++ ide i can use to build gnome apps?
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14:45<amphi>fxiny: I don't see a tag as less abstract than position on a virtual display nine times larger than the physical display
14:46<ematris>erKURITA: i thought tha vim is just a text editor
14:46<erKURITA>vim is a nuclear launch facility, but without the nuke
14:46<erKURITA>it isn't "just" a text editor
14:47<ematris>tell me more
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14:47<fxiny>amphi: the position thing is wrong . the window manager must do what you want offering nothing . you think , you plan and you do
14:47<erKURITA>vim has over 400 possible commands to edit your text
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14:48<erKURITA>which can greatly reduce the amount of time you need to code
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14:48<fxiny>amphi: the window manager arrange windows and manage 'em . no mouse involved , no virtual places
14:48<ematris>can it help me to draw gui ?
14:49<erKURITA>no, that you need to code on your own
14:49<padski>... evil nasty virtual places ... we hateses them, we does ...
14:49<ematris>can you lead me to some good tutorials?
14:50<erKURITA>none that I know of
14:51<ematris>wat can you telle me about vim plugins
14:51<ematris>in order to set that nuke launch facility
14:52<amphi>fxiny: as I said, I don't need to use the mouse to manage my windows; tiling is no good to me at this res
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14:53<fxiny>amphi: what res is yours ?
14:53<fxiny>same as mine
14:53<ematris>'still there, erKURITA ?
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14:54<fxiny>amphi: i can't tile vertical , but i can do some hor emacs tiling many times a day
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14:55<fxiny>amphi: and : mod jk is much better then mod tab
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14:59<fxiny>we can play with short cuts at will . but we know a dammed window manager does nothing , is not a manager , is not even a leading hand :P
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15:27<PetaWindows>hi gays
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15:32<treyh0>anyone know how to configure touchpads with the latest xorg 7.3 in lenny? the xorg.conf file is pretty bare, changing the mouse to synaptics driver and setting MaxTapTime or ShmConfig don't seem to be recognized...
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15:37<PetaWindows>bye gays
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15:40<debacle>hi all, i 've two bash script ona is called "myscript" and the ohter is called "script". both are already in /etc/init.d 'cause they need to be executed at boot time. Now, "script" must be executed first of "myscript". How can i do this please ?
15:41<debacle>hi all, i 've two bash script one is called "myscript" and the other is called "script". both are already in /etc/init.d 'cause they need to be executed at boot time. Now, "script" must be executed first of "myscript". How can i do this please ?
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15:44<jla>Is there an easy way to get the debian installer partitioner to use the order of partitions I specify?
15:45<debacle>tecnically speaking: dos initd load script in an alphabetical order ??
15:45<debacle>does initd load script in an alphabetical order ??
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15:45<dpkg>0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead., or ask me about <startup>
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15:46<jla>debacle: I don't know the 'technical' answer, but it has always appeared to. hence the Knn prefix to the symlinks
15:47<jla>nn to make them change orders
15:48<debacle>jla: thank you
15:48<debacle>dpkg: thank you !
15:48<dpkg>debacle: bitte
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15:49<debacle>dpkg: reding your link it seems all scripts are executed alphabetically !
15:49<dpkg>debacle: that's too long
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15:52<jla>debacle: dpkg is a bot. I don't know where an official answer is. Here is another place to read in addition to those:
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15:53<debacle>jla: i'm reading it !
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15:56<jla>I'm trying out raid1 root (&others) on an Etch install. I want the partitions in a particular order, but the installer switches them when I write. So I made them with fdisk and tried to copy them to the second drive with sfdisk. It complains about the extended partition not starting on a cylindar boundary. Suggestions?
16:01<jla>should I just force sfdisk?
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16:02<guillaume_>hello, I want to remove all acpi packages from my sid acpid is broken. I will shutdown or kill process link to them and use apt-file to erase all files fro these packages. I'll erase them from apt status file too. Do I forget something ?
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16:05<petemc>guillaume_: its generally not a good idea to delete files from packages manually
16:05<mike>Can anybody tell me how to list packages that have been installed with Aptitude since I installed?
16:05<petemc>use aptitude purge
16:05<mike>petemc: haha, funny timing.
16:06<petemc>kind of, i know very little about aptitude
16:06<petemc>i find its syntax arcane
16:06<guillaume_>petemc: problem is that package acpid stay half installed even with force reinstreq option
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16:06<mike>Well I meant funny timing in that I had just asked how to list stuff right before you finished a statement on how to delete stuff.
16:06<petemc>guillaume_: with what option?
16:07<petemc>mike: ah :)
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16:07<kop>mike: You can list everything aptitude installed automatically (the dependencies) but I don't know how to list just what aptitude installed.
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16:08<mike>kop: Oh, ic. I was looking for "installed after a certain date" so I could figure out what apps I probably want on my new Deb desktop and just get 'em all now.
16:08<petemc>mike: looked in /var/log/dpkg.log ?
16:08<petemc>if it exists
16:09<guillaume_>petemc: i try to reinstall acpid with dpkg without success, it complain about a pre-removal script error status = 1
16:10<mike>petemc: Thanks for the suggestion, it seems to rotate but maybe if I look back a few I'll find what I need.
16:10<petemc>might be an idea to check the bts
16:10<mike>petemc: Lots of debian updates though :-9
16:10<petemc>mike: perhaps you can do such a with with aptitude, i certainly dont know how to tho
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16:11<mike>petemc: No problem, just a trivial novelty that I didn't scrape out of the man page (just skimmed it though) but I'll get over it if I don't figure it out.
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16:12<guillaume_>petemc: I open a bug report for that and the maintainer ask me to remove acpid, reinstall old version and try an update again. The problem is that none of ddebian package tools succed in removing acpid.
16:13<petemc>guillaume_: you can edit the scripts so they dont fail and the normal methods to remove should work
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16:15<guillaume_>petemc: ok i'll follow you're advice
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16:25<JonathanX>is it possible to use terminal without exiting irssi?
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16:26<JonathanX>list users
16:26<JonathanX>sucks to b a noob
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16:28<padski>use screen
16:28<jaakko>Joris: screen is a program and you have to install it, aptitude install screen
16:29<jaakko>Joris: hups, sorry
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16:37<AsteroidX>AsteroidX: hello
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16:43<jaakko>AsteroidX: Re: test
16:43<AsteroidX>jaakko: are you using irssi/
16:44<AsteroidX>I'm trying to figure out how to manage split windows
16:44<jaakko>AsteroidX: Yes I'm, but I dont split windows..
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16:45<AsteroidX>did I diconnect?
16:45<jaakko>AsteroidX: you left the channel and came back
16:46<jaakko>AsteroidX: Press esc and the number, eg 1
16:46<AsteroidX>ok, I'm a little lost
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17:35<mike>Can anybody tell me what /proc or /sys entries or lspci output to pay attention to, to figure out what disk driver needs to get compiled into my kernel?
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17:37<mike>mkinitramfs, it is.
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17:50<Guest146>Okay, stupid question: I'm trying to set up hello.php as described on, but I'm getting a 403. The file permissions are identical to index.html which displays without problem.
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17:51<Guest146>Does anyone have a suggestion where I might find a solution?
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17:54<Web-sidux449>hello i'am missing the linux-image-2.6-vserver-686 in debian sid and the kernel fro metch doesnt work under sid.
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17:54<Xavura>Hey, I'm trying to install inspIRCd using debian on a VPS I just purchased and I have no idea what I'm doing.
17:55<Xavura>Never used any CLI OS before and I can't find anything via Google...
17:55<Xavura>Is this even the right channel? I'm completely lost
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18:22<AMERICA-MARX>how to contribute for development of linux? i mean, how to develop some software and make that development usable for the whole world?
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18:26<AMERICA-MARX>how to contribute for development of linux? i mean, how to develop some software and make that development usable for the whole world?
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18:29<chealer>AMERICA-MARX: ask #linux on
18:29<jla>AMERICA-MARX: first develop some software. once you get that done, you can search or ask how to publish it.
18:29<Christmas>you can use to publish your work AMERICA-MARX
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18:30<Christmas>you will have to use gpl compatible license
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18:35<tekas>ups.. sorry
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18:36<AMERICA-MARX>how to contribute for development of linux? i mean, how to develop some software and make that development usable for the whole world? i make a software and then i that the way?
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18:38<eldowan>I currently run bind9.2.4 on sarge. Is there a way to configure the DNS to look to the hosts file for all clients on the network before using an external dns server? I've got a bunch of lines in /etc/hosts that work for the local account on the server, but not for any of the clients.
18:38<jla>AMERICA-MARX: sure. observe how you have gotten other open source software. think though their processes.
18:39<jla>AMERICA-MARX: this doesn't seem to be a #debian specific question
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18:39<phorce1>does dpkg have a factoid about forcing static nameservers for a dhcp interface? (or, how do I search for keywords in dpkg-bot factoids?)
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18:40<chealer>dpkg: listkeys static
18:40<dpkg>Factoid search of 'static' by key (2): static route ;; _default static route.
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18:40<Xavura>Does anyone know of any services where I can get someone to help install/configure something on Linux
18:41<Xavura>'cause I'm trying to install an IRCd on debian on my VPS and I've never used any *nix system before.
18:41<phorce1>chealer: listkeys, thanks
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18:44<[machine]>eldowan: dnsmasq?
18:44<eldowan>[machine]: thanks for the suggestion, though I'd prefer to stay with bind9 if possible.
18:45<chealer>!tell Xavura about consultants
18:45<[machine]>eld: you could put dnsmasq in front of bind9 for the local clients?
18:45<jla>eldowan: why not make a local zone and have all the clients query the server and it will respond to the answer instead of relying on /etc/hsots
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18:46<Xavura>Jesus christ @ prices
18:46<eldowan>jla: I've got about 5700 entries that I'd like to redirect, and I figure if I can get /etc/hosts to take care of it, its just a cut/paste.
18:47<Xavura>Is that why they make the OS' so confusing, to scare new users into getting a contractor?
18:47<jla>dnsmasq seems to do what you want then
18:47<Xavura>I kid, I kid.
18:47<eldowan>jla: I'm looking at this currently:
18:48<[machine]>eld: LAST UPDATE: 2/9/2004 :(
18:49<jla>eldowan: fun. I use squid/redirector and proxy for that kind of thing. Hopefully dnsmasq does what you need.
18:50<eldowan>jla: thanks. I was hoping to not have to install any other packages. Oh well, I guess I'll need to find another route.
18:50<jla>eldowan: you tried dnsmasq? it says "serve names from the /etc/hosts file on the firewall machine"
18:52<eldowan>jla: wouldn't that replace bind9? I'm currently having bind9 and dhcpd3 exchange information to make it an internal dynamic dns for all my clients and other hardware
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18:54<[machine]>eld: you can configure dnsmasq with an upstream dns server
18:54<jla>eldowan: it does appear to be built to replace bind/dhcp. I don't know if you can disable the dhcp side. If so, you can have your bind9 server be your upstream.
18:55<[machine]>so make your dhcpd return the ip with dnsmasq bound to it, and configure dnsmasq to talk to your IP with bind bound to it for hosts not in /etc/hosts
18:56<eldowan>That sounds well and good, but I've got abour 30 clients that I really don't want to interrupt for this little issue.
18:56<[machine]>eld: it won't... just change the dhcp config so that it hands out the dnsmasq IP on new leases
18:57<[machine]>any existing cliens will still talk directly to your BIND server
18:57<jla>you could even start with a specific client or group
18:58<eldowan>so dnsmasq wouldn't interfere with my current bind/dhcpd setup?
18:58<jla>I guess another option is to find some way to load bind w/ that info. I've never done that either
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18:59<eldowan>I was thinking of making a script to take care of it. Make a file that I could include withing the bind configuration.
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19:00<[machine]>eld: just bind another IP to your dns box and configure dnsmasq for that virtual interface, then as i say make dhcpd give that IP as the DNS server on new DHCP leases
19:00<jla>if you run dnsmask w/ --no-dhcp-interface, it won't do dhcp
19:00<eldowan>jla: [machine]: I might have to try that.
19:01<jla>sounds easier than making tons of zones :) idk yet if there is another way to do the same in bind
19:02<eldowan>thanks for the help you two.
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19:08<aloha-shin>hi everyone. I want to ask what is the correct sources.list for debian lenny ?
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19:09<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
19:09<dpkg>somebody said lenny was the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>.
19:10<blarson>!tell aloha-shin about self-tell
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19:11<aloha-shin>hi. what is the correct sources.list for lenny?
19:12<blarson>aloha-shin: use lenny rather than etch in the line you got from the sources.list answer.
19:12<aloha-shin>is this correct
19:12<aloha-shin>deb lenny main
19:13<aloha-shin>deb-src lenny main
19:13<noflash>aloha-shin, please /msg the bot
19:13<blarson>aloha-shin: looks ok. You probably should also have a security line. (testing has limited security support.)
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19:14<grummund_>what could cause '.net' to be appended to unresolved domains in dns lookups?
19:15<grummund_>... apart from a 'search' line in /etc/resolv.conf that is
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19:17<stroyan>grummund_: "man resolve.con" also mentions the LOCALDOMAIN environment variable.
19:19<grummund_>stroyan: thanks
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19:40<aloha-shin>what is the command to put password on mysql 5 ?
19:40<aloha-shin>i have fresh installed mysql5
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19:43<harold>hablas español
19:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:44<aloha-shin>how to put password on newly install mysql5
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19:59<k-man_>since i plugged in a usb multi card reader, i seem to be getting this error: kernel: usb 5-7: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 22
19:59<k-man_>any idea what that is and how i can fix it? its filling up my logs and it also shows on all the virtual terminals
20:00<k-man_>it show the message about once every second
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20:16<Fade_To_Black>I installed debian stable without desktop environment I get this error after first boot up mounting /dev/hda1 on /root failed: No such device
20:16<Fade_To_Black>does anyone know why this is?
20:16<Fade_To_Black>then I get dropped in busybox
20:17<starkatinvernalia>you tried to mount it by hand??
20:18<Fade_To_Black>I tried this : mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /root
20:18<Fade_To_Black>no luck
20:18<Fade_To_Black>no such device
20:18<starkatinvernalia>it seems that your device is not hda1
20:18<Fade_To_Black>when I look in dev
20:18<Fade_To_Black>it's there
20:19<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: cat /proc/partitions
20:19<starkatinvernalia>your disc is ide or sata??
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20:20<Fade_To_Black>and after cat /proc/partitions I see hda hda1 hda2
20:21<Fade_To_Black>the funny thing is I installed debian stable on it 2 days ago, and it worked but deleted it to try other distro, didn't like and now i won't do it anymore
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20:22<Fade_To_Black>wanted to install debian again but without gnome
20:22<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: Is "No such device" the *exact* error you get?
20:22<Fade_To_Black>dendrite, yes
20:23<Fade_To_Black>I'm in BusyBox shell now
20:23<dendrite>And you dedicated an entire partition to /root ? (root user's home) ??
20:23<Fade_To_Black>hda1 ext3 /root hda2 swap
20:23<Fade_To_Black>no no
20:23<Fade_To_Black>hda1 mounted as /
20:24<Fade_To_Black>like it's supposed to no?
20:24<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: Your partition scheme is known only to you.
20:24<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: Are you trying to mount /dev/hda1 more than once?
20:24<Fade_To_Black>the thing is I can't get to fstab
20:25<Fade_To_Black>as it is on hda1
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20:25<dendrite>So what *is* mounted?
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20:26<Fade_To_Black>nothing so it seems
20:26<dendrite>Sounds like your grub conf is hosed.
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20:27<Fade_To_Black>mount : none on sys none on proc none on dev
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20:27<starkatinvernalia>in what partition is debian instaled?
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20:28<xerophyte>i have 2 ip alieas in xen DomU, the traffic goes using one ip some time and other time it use other one .. how can i tell the instance to use only one ip when it go out ?
20:28<Fade_To_Black>it starts booting so it must load the kernel image and initrd but when trying to mount the filesystem it gets this error
20:28<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: And your grub root is (hd0,0) ?
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20:29<Fade_To_Black>yes grub is ok so it seems
20:29<Fade_To_Black>points to the right place
20:29<dendrite>xerophyte: Do both interface stanzas have a gateway defined?
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20:30<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: So youer kernel line has root=/dev/hda1 ro ? (after /vmlinuz...)
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20:31<xerophyte>dendrite: my route does not print those ip but it does have two route
20:31<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: And this is a stock kernel, and the initrd is sane?
20:32<dendrite>xerophyte: Look in the DomU's interfaces file.
20:32<Fade_To_Black>what's a stock kernel?
20:32<dendrite>xerophyte: Of course even removing the gw won't stop that behavior for packets deestined to localnet...
20:33<dendrite>xerophyte: I guess you could do an iptables -t nat type hack...
20:33<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: As in, not one you built yourself...
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20:33<Fade_To_Black>kernel that came with debian etch dvd 2.6.18-5-686
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20:33<Fade_To_Black>yes stock then :)
20:33<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: And, how did you delete the other linux distribution?
20:34<xerophyte>dendrite: hmmm
20:35<Fade_To_Black>I installed another distro over it (DSL-N) partioned formatted etc. Then deleted that one again. Same thing Partitioned, formatted etc
20:35<Fade_To_Black>from the debian boot DVD
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20:36<Fade_To_Black>hda1 ext3 mounted as /, hda2 swap
20:36<dendrite>xerophyte: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s wrong_ip -j SNAT --to-source good_ip <-- something like that might do.
20:36<xerophyte>dendrite: actually i remove other route it worked
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20:37<Fade_To_Black>the problem is such an old laptop that reinstalling the whole thing again takes over an hour and that way I don't learn anything
20:37<dendrite>xerophyte: Cool. But note that localnet packets will still go out either one.
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20:37<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: So, what does this other distribution have to do with anything?
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20:38<Fade_To_Black>nothing actually I just wanted to explain why I would want to install 2 times debian on the same computer in less than 2 days
20:38<xerophyte>dendrite: thx
20:38<dendrite>xerophyte: wlcm
20:39<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: OK, so a fresh netinstall fails to mount / ... What flavor of debian, again?
20:39<Fade_To_Black>what u mean what flavor?
20:40<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: Scratch the netinstall bit -- not sure about that.
20:40<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: Where did you get the install image you're using?
20:41<Fade_To_Black>the problem is I want to install debian from the dvd without desktop etc. just minimal as possible.
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20:41<Fade_To_Black>I got it from debian servers
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20:41<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: no desktop is no problem.
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20:41<Fade_To_Black>yes that's what I hoped indeed
20:41<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: But you successfully installed debian two days ago?
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20:42<Fade_To_Black>yes with the very same dvd
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20:42<Fade_To_Black>on the very same computer
20:42<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: Did you see any errors this time around?
20:42<Fade_To_Black>none just for 1
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20:42<Fade_To_Black>when I chose the kernel
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20:43<Fade_To_Black>at first I wanted the 2.6 but that didn't work so I chose the 2.6.18-5-686
20:43<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: Well, I sympathize with your desire to learn, but if I were you, I'd re-try the install.
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20:43<Fade_To_Black>yeah prolly best
20:43<Fade_To_Black>I thank u for your patience
20:44<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: Install the absolute minimum. De-select ALL components. Make sure the basics are working, and *then* add in what you want.
20:44<Xenguy>.oO(patience is a virtue)
20:44<Fade_To_Black>any hints maybe on how to keep a very minimal install?
20:44<Fade_To_Black>oh ok
20:44<Fade_To_Black>tnx again
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20:45<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: That tactic may mean you find you need to install some really basic stuff (like an ssh server), but you won't waste time installing a bunch of stuff just to have a failed install.
20:45<Xenguy>ron paul?!
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20:46<Fade_To_Black>my approach was to install debian with desktop but then I saw it was too much for poor old 64MB RAM so instead of wasting time trying to delete everything I need why not install again?
20:46<Fade_To_Black>anyway tnx for advice
20:47<dendrite>Fade_To_Black: Cool. And note that there are some lightweight X desktops.
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20:48<starkatinvernalia>like fvwm
20:49*Xenguy whispers 'fluxbox also'...
20:49<dendrite>TWM ALL THE WAY, BABY!!! =)
20:49<Xenguy>.oO(but he's gone already)
20:50<gravity>Please don't use twm. Maybe then we can get rid of it one day.
20:50<dendrite>Ha ha ha.
20:51<Xenguy>one of these days I'll install ratpoison just for fun, and because the name sounds cool :P
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20:51<jablko>i'm getting the following error on apt-get update:
20:51<jablko>Failed to fetch MD5Sum mismatch
20:52<jablko>however `md5sum Package.bz2` matches the line in /var/lib/apt/lists/...Release
20:52<jablko>how can i get more info why apt thinks the md5sums don't match?
20:52<dpkg>hmm... ratpoison is the window manager for people who don't like apps taking up any less than the entire screen; for more info The WM with No Flashy Wank!
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20:53<dendrite>jablko: Odd. Dunno...
20:54<Xenguy>jablko: someone should be able to answer that question, else we will cancel this channel =)
20:54<Xenguy>(no pressure tho :-)
20:54<dendrite>jablko: I guess the first thing I'd try is moving the offending file out of the way, and updating again...
20:55<jablko>: ) that was the 1st thing i tried - no luck : (
20:55<black_13>dendrite, yo man
20:55<dendrite>black_13: Hey there.
20:56<dendrite>jablko: Then I might (not for any good reason) comment out the security line, update, uncomment it, and update...
20:56<starkatinvernalia>bahh, you can emulate ratpoison with fvwm :p
20:56<black_13>at work i set be behind an ISA proxy so any work i do i have to provide http_proxy wget to work
20:56<black_13>normally this has not been a problem but my password has been changed to have a bang or "!" in it
20:57<black_13>this plays heck with the bash shell
20:57<dendrite>black_13: Maybe set it up in your .wgetrc?
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21:08<dendrite>black_13: If it doesn't like the literal bang, maybe try encoding as %21 <-- I think that's the right encoding value for '!' ...
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21:09<black_13>i had wonderd if there was to encoded it
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21:10<dendrite>I'd try it literal first.
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21:30<RastASD>hi, can you help me, i have a root mount point in a separate partition on my winchester with 8 gb, but i don't need that much space, so how can i give some more space to the mounting point /home?
21:30<RastASD>any idea?
21:31<RastASD>the /home is on another partition
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21:31<dendrite>RastASD: I'm guessing you're not using LVM...
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21:32<RastASD>i don't
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21:32<dendrite>RastASD: Well, in that case, the first thing you do is make a very good backup, and verify that you can restore from it.
21:33<Gaara>can someone tell me im behind a router and my icmp is blocked.. how can i enable it
21:33<dendrite>RastASD: Then you shrink the / file system, to smaller than you want that partition to be.
21:33<RastASD>dendrite: sure, then let's install lvm?
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21:33<dendrite>RastASD: Then you delete that partition, and create two in it's place...
21:33<dendrite>RastASD: Installing LVM under an already running system is what you would call very advanced.
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21:34<dendrite>I have done this, but it was a real nail-biter.
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21:34<dendrite>And I don't think I replaced the / partition either...
21:34<RastASD>what after making two partitions from one?
21:35<RastASD>dendrite: how can attach to an existing mount point with a separet partition?
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21:36<dendrite>RastASD: Well, if you still have a runnable system (by no means a certainty), then you would mount that newly created partition, move all your data from the now *third* partition into it, and set that new second one to mount where the now third one mounts...
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21:37<RastASD>dendrite: if i have a single hdd do you see neccessery to make more then 2 partitions? swap and root?
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21:37<dendrite>RastASD: No, / and swap is fine, until you have a good reason to do otherwise.
21:38<dendrite>RastASD: Partitioning has advantages, but it also has disadvantages, of course...
21:38<RastASD>dendrite: sure, thx for help anyway XD
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21:39<dendrite>RastASD: The key is to shuffle data around without moving the *start* of any partition that has valuable data.
21:39<RastASD>dendrite: one last question, how can i mount a not used partition to an existing one?
21:40<RastASD>dendrite: someone said it can't be done, or there can be a /home/ and a /home/somefreespace partitions
21:40<dendrite>make a mount point (empty directory), and mount it with the mount command. Or specify mounting in /etc/fstab
21:40<dendrite>RastASD: Unless you mean join two partitions into one file system?
21:41<RastASD>dendrite: i mean that
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21:41<dendrite>RastASD: That's what LVM can do. :-)
21:41<RastASD>dendrite: ok, thx
21:41<dendrite>RastASD: But just using mount, no, each partition has it's own isolated space.
21:42<dendrite>RastASD: Do realize, whatever else you take away, that messing with your partition table is quite likely to completely destroy your setup, such that you'll need to reinstall and restore from backup.
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21:43<RastASD>yeah, i know
21:44<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
21:44<RastASD>nothing important in my linux yet, except some buildings from source that took hours
21:44<dendrite>RastASD: Heh. Builds are what nighttime sleep is for. :-)
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21:46<RastASD>dendrite: thx for help, bb
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21:49<berni_>is there a way to to download either the binary package or the source of a package in the NEW queue? in this particular case
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21:51*Supaplex shares a very pungent emission of /dev/butt stench *poof*
21:51*dpkg farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!"
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21:51*Supaplex watches the colors on the screen shift
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21:53<Gaara_>how to unblock icmp
21:53<dendrite>Gaara_: It's not blocked by default. What did you do to block it?
21:54<Gaara_>dendrite, i dont know .. im behind a router.. and.. in the router firewall they are no rules for blockin anything at all
21:55<Gaara_>i dont even know how to block it
21:55<dendrite>Gaara_: Well, this is probably not a Debian issue.
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21:59<blarson>berni_: not other than ask the maintainer for a copy.
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22:00<berni_>blarson: okay, thanks
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22:06<angry>'ello all
22:06<Supaplex>!seen all
22:06<dpkg>i haven't seen 'all', Supaplex
22:07<angry>I have a quick question, how would I obtain the computer's number (the three numbers that come after 192.168.1.)
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22:07<cwood>angry: see man ifconfig
22:07<dendrite>angry: ifconfig
22:07<p_quarles>angry, # ifconfig -a
22:09<angry>bash says that ifconfig isin't a valid command
22:09<shilow>has to be done sudo or as root
22:09<dendrite>angry: /sbin/ifconfig
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22:09<dendrite>shilow: No, does not need to be run as root.
22:10<|>!seen pants
22:10<shilow>well its not in the pathes that sright
22:10<dpkg>i haven't seen 'pants', |
22:10<|>dpkg is a naughty bot. :p
22:10<dpkg>wish i knew, |
22:10<Supaplex>!nickometer |
22:10<dpkg>'|' is 14.000% lame, supaplex
22:10*| would suspect infobot. :)
22:10<|>!rot13 funkeh
22:10<|>Yep. :p
22:11<dendrite>|: Do you have anything Debian related to offer?
22:11<|>A god given hope the project succeeds?
22:11*| giggles and stops talking
22:12<Supaplex>a giggling pipe. now I've seen everything.
22:12<dendrite>Sort of like a cat without a smile.
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22:14<cwood>In followup to a past question about finding out why something segfaults... I have a reproducible crash from running audacious in a terminal. Unfortunately, when I run audacious from a terminal all it says is "Segmentation fault". There's no -verbose. Any ideas for finding out what's wrong?
22:15<thepretender84>how can I have a shell script execute in the background when i am ssh'd into a box?
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22:16<thepretender84>i remember something about piping it to something
22:16<cwood>thepretender84: use screen to multiplex, or append & to the command, see man bash.
22:16<cwood>For example: cmd &
22:17<|>Aww...screen is so much more fun. :)
22:18<Supaplex>cwood: run it under gdb, get 'bt full' - or check first to see if someone reported it already
22:18*cwood will attempt to figure out gdb.
22:18<cwood>I don't think this one has been reported. However, there are a couple of segfault bugs and I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if one of them is mine.
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22:26<blarson>cwood: go ahead and report it, if the maintainer thinks it is a duplicate he can merge the bugs.
22:27<cwood>Okay. Just trying to really nail down the minimal reproduction steps here.
22:27<blarson>cwood: strace is another way to see where a program is failing.
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22:27<vmuser>hello I am wondering how a company can produce a modified version of xorp under a license that says you can not package it with equipment if xorp is under the gnu license?
22:28<vmuser>the company is vyatta
22:28<cwood>I have no idea how to read output, but I'll give those a go too. The problem is that I think the problem is related to imms, so if I attached gdb or strace to the audacious process, would that still find a useful problem?
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22:29<gravity>vmuser: It's a BSD license, so they can add whatever restrictions they want on it
22:29<gravity>At least, according to
22:29*gravity knows nothing about this software though
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22:31<vmuser>Quagga Routing Software Suite, GPL licensed IPv4/IPv6 routing software. <<---am i missing somthing (another one) this is under the GPL license is there two gpl licenses?
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22:33<gravity>That's not xorp, is it? That's a different website
22:33<vmuser>no its a competitor ^ see above
22:33<gravity>I don't get it
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22:33<gravity>Is Quagga just a modified Xorg placed under the GPL?
22:34<Simy>Hello everybody, I'm having trouble with my wireless suddenly after its been working for awhile, Whatever settings were in bios (like it bein on/enabled) were lost because the bios battery is dead and the battery/ac power was disconnected... So sudenly it wont work, Tried to reenable it in windows but... go figure it dosnt have any drivers (and people say linux is hard to learn) So i gave up on that one...
22:34<vmuser>I read one thing about xorp and a different one on another site where it seemed to conflict about the license
22:34<Simy>it dosnt seem to show up in lspci, or lshw.... is it possible that it was damaged?
22:34<Simy>My fan was clogged, and i cleaned it out so the laptop was completly appart, and its a B130 if that matters...
22:34<vmuser>Quagga is a competitor to Xorp both are advanced routing software
22:35<gravity>vmuser: They're under different licenses. Xorp is under a BSD like license which does indeed let the company add additional restrictions when they distribute it. Quagga appears to be derived from GNU Zebra (not Xorp) and is under the GPL, which does not allow additional restrictions.
22:35<Simy>Does anybody have any ideas with these wifi cards and bios controll as dell has decided to do :/
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22:37<vmuser>so if I want to sell my own hardware with that software installed I should choose Quagga?
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22:37<gravity>That's not a question I could even begin to address
22:38<gravity>But as per the licenses, I recommend you actually read the text for both before jumping to any conclusions about what is and isn't allowed.
22:39<vmuser>the BSD and the GPL license does not change from one program to another right?
22:39<gravity>And also the idea of basing your business on legal advice garnered from IRC is laughable
22:39<Simy>good point gravity
22:39<gravity>vmuser: I don't understand the question
22:39<vmuser>I am trying to get a general idea before spending money on lawyers
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22:40<vmuser>in other words if I read a laymans interpretation of the gpl and bsd licenses online from a good source it is not modified from program to program right?
22:40<gravity>Sorta, but not really
22:41<gravity>The GNU GPL is usually unmodified. You should just diff the license that ships with the source against the one from GNU. If it's the same, then the overviews will work. BSD-like licenses tend to diverge a bit more, but also tend to have the same features.
22:42<cwood>If you want to sell your own hardware, I'm fairly sure you'll be GPL compliant if you ship the source that compiles to what's on the hardware along with the hardware.
22:42<Bartman007>and remember there are multiple versions of the gpl.
22:42<gravity>Again, reading the license is key. Especially for the BSD-like one, which will take about 30 seconds.
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22:42<Simy>Dont soppose anybody can tell me if a wireless card that can be turned on/off by windows programs, or a switch will show up in lspci, or lshw when its off.. I know it does when its on though
22:43<gravity>And if you use linux and haven't read the GPL yet, you really should. It's very readable and it's critically important to understand it.
22:43<Simy>I just dont know if its broken, or just being suddnely stubborn
22:43<vmuser>Bartman007, but am i right that is not so with the bsd license or the lesser gpl license?
22:44<gravity>Simy: Do you have a kill switch on the laptop somewhere that might have been set to "off"? That'll do it, in my experience.
22:44<vmuser>I have read it I find it confusing because of the changes in the license (versions) and figuring out whats under one or another
22:44<gravity>Simy: My X61 has a hidden switch that I accidentally flipped to "off", making my wireless vanish
22:44<Simy>Its a dell b130, apparently fn +f2 can do it to turn it on/off... but i keep chaning in in bios and such (lost complete power when I disassembled laptop to clean out the fan)
22:45<Bartman007>vmuser: sure, but you appeared to be under the assumption that the GPL is the same everywhere, gplv2 and gplv3 differ in significant ways.
22:45<Simy>gravity: ok, so it may not be the hardware, but the bios being stubborn again, right? even if it dosnt show up... is what your saying?
22:45<gravity>Simy: Yeah
22:45<Simy>bios can turn it off... i know that.. just dont know if it wont show up ;)
22:45<gravity>Or a physical switch, yeah
22:45<Simy>Ok... thoguht maybe i had a static discharge on it (Even though its not near the fan...)
22:46<Simy>Ok, then I'll do the regular google routine on how to get it working... I tried it in winblows but... go figure its loaded with problems, no internet now drivers no nothing... so whats this crap about microscrap products being easier, or 'just working' roflol
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23:06<Supaplex>a prepasition
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23:15<ematris>help guys!
23:15<ematris>i have some probz with gnome dev tools
23:15<Supaplex>!don't work
23:15<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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23:15<Supaplex>and this isn't cell phone chat, so do away with the txt speakz if at all possible.
23:16<ematris>i cannot compile anything with g++
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23:17<Supaplex>g++ is installed? What symptoms are you seeing? (try if it's more than a line or two)
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23:18<ematris>/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../include/c++/4.1.2/bits/locale_facets.tcc:1991: error: ‘size_t’ has not been declared
23:18<ematris>and there is much more
23:19<Supaplex>is build-essential installed?
23:19<Supaplex>kernel headers too?
23:19<Fitri>Blh kenalan ga?
23:19<ematris>yes sir!
23:19<dpkg>i guess id is 1d3nt1f1c4t10n. Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360
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23:20<ematris>all worked fine untill i get libgnomemm-2.6-dev installed
23:20<Supaplex>ematris: what are you attempting to build? would it be available on
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23:21<ematris>i cannot even build a simple hello world program . lol!
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23:22<Supaplex>on what release of debian?
23:22<ematris>etch 4.0r1
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23:23<Supaplex>very strange
23:23<ematris>all worked fine until i wanted to build apps for gnome
23:23<Supaplex>ematris: show some more context at
23:24<Supaplex>Fitri: hi
23:24<Fitri>yor name/
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23:25<ematris>i have a lot of prgs of mine tha i cannot build any more after i get that gnome development stuff
23:25<Supaplex>Fitri: what langauge do you speak the ...
23:25<Supaplex>ematris: so if I install libgnomemm-2.6-dev i'll see the same issue?
23:26<ematris>i bet
23:26<ematris>i'm waiting
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23:27<Supaplex>hi angel
23:27<kop>angel : Hello.
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23:28<angel>What your name?
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23:29<ematris>Supaplex: So ...?
23:29<Supaplex>chil. I only have 5mbit to fetch all the -dev deps :P
23:30<Supaplex>I compiled hello w/o it just fine (to make sure the test is valid)
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23:31<ematris>wat ?
23:31<ematris>do you have anjuta
23:32<Supaplex>ematris: what's anjuta?
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23:32<ematris>supaplex: anjuta is a gnome c/c++ ide
23:32<angel>I don"t
23:32<ematris>can you get it?
23:32<kop>I wonder if Debian runs on one of these $250 laptops. Sadly, their website seems to bork, probably because I've got cookies turned off. I'm looking for a light (in weight) alternative to the eee. I'm not too happy with Asus's attitude towards free software and am wondering about alternatives.
23:33<Supaplex>ematris: compilling hello before and after works just fine.
23:34<angel>I want to go camping our holiday?
23:34<Bartman007>kop: 180nm based processor? I guess minimal cost was top priority.
23:34<Supaplex>angel: do you have something debian related?
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23:35<ematris>suppaplex: it's very strange
23:35<kop>Bartman007 : I only need web access, I think.
23:35<kop>Supaplex : I like harddisk-tombstone.jpg
23:35*Supaplex waits a few min for downloads
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23:36<Supaplex>kop: hehe thanks. :)
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23:36<angel>Do you speak Indonesia?
23:36<dpkg>English as a language (and other uses) has plenty of background on wikipedia, however for #debian support, it's the primary and best supported language here. Please use other specific language channels (even if they're very idle), a related mailing list, or your best English here anyway (we'll try to cope)
23:36<angel>you live?
23:37<Supaplex>Indonesia is a country, not a language.
23:37<ematris>suppaplex: which release of debian do you use?
23:37<kop>angel : dpkg is not alive. The rest of us, well, I'm probably alive.
23:37<hingwah>angel, this is not chit-chat channel
23:37<Supaplex>ematris: any to get the job done :) I have etch, lenny, and sid boxes scattered about
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23:38<ematris>supaplex: wit xen?
23:38<Supaplex>ematris: vserver
23:38<kop>Supaplex : What does sid do for you? I've considered it for the hardware support, but always decided I wanted a box that worked.
23:38<Supaplex>I have xen too, for the oddball kernel test
23:39<Supaplex>I have kmail installed in a sid vserver guest, due to obnoxious bugs. see bts for
23:39<ematris>supaplex: wow! you 're not a pretty rookie on debian hey?
23:40<Supaplex>you're making it hard to stay humble. :)
23:41<ematris>supaplex: do you think vserver is better than xen, why ?
23:41<Supaplex>ematris: all guests are running on the same kernel instance. speed and resource usage are as efficent as processes on a non emulated host.
23:42<Supaplex>vserver introduces very little overhead, the least overhead I'm aware of.
23:42<ematris>but such a configuration may be dangerous
23:42<ematris>supaplex: wat if one system chashes
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23:43<Supaplex>if the kernel panics, the whole system goes with it, just like a normal system
23:43<Supaplex>root capabilities are restricted in guests
23:43<ptr>question: given an xyzzx-source.deb package, is there any way to get it to build into a kernel module if module-assistant isn't aware of it?
23:43<ptr>debian/rules binary-modules is broken
23:44<ematris>but wat is the advantage of susch a configuration
23:44<ematris>i mean the good par of virtualization is about separating os and kernels
23:44<Supaplex>I can run a few dozen guests on a few gb of ram
23:45<angel>heh aku ini ga bisa B inggris
23:45<Supaplex>and if I so chose, guests can pool the same memory
23:45<angel>Plese jangan bahasa inggris
23:45<Supaplex>dpkg-deb: building package `hello' in `../hello_2.1.1-5_amd64.deb'.
23:46<Supaplex>ematris: works for me.
23:46<angel>Akubenci kamu
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23:47<angel>klo ga maksut ya udah
23:47<Supaplex>!confuse angel
23:47<dpkg>No, those are their weasel yesterday, angel? lederhosen of the democracy of mongolia with extra herring
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23:47<ematris>supaplex: wat do you mean?
23:47<angel>Im quit
23:47<Supaplex>ematris: I mean hello compiles just fine, even after I install all that other stuff
23:48<Supaplex>you'll have to tell me what steps you took before I can better replicate your issue, if at all
23:48<angel>km itu orang mana?
23:48<angel>I kill you
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23:48<ematris>supaplex: there i'm fucked up!
23:48<ematris>supaplex: wat do you think i should do
23:49<Supaplex>ematris: do you have anything installed from a different branch, or non-debian? (eg, upstream sources, 3rd party source)
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23:50<angel>km itu jelek tau karna aq punya indra keenam and bs lihat setan lho makanya jgn macam2
23:50<ematris>nope! i just reinstalled my system 1 hour ago
23:50<ematris>for that problem
23:50<angel>Apaan tu
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23:51<ematris>and now i get it back again
23:51<ptr>Oh, and question
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23:51<ptr>say I've installed a debian package containing a newer version of a kernel module that's already in place
23:51<ptr>how do I make modprobe aware of the new version?
23:52<qq>ptr: just ignore it
23:52<ptr>qq: what do you mean?
23:52<ptr>qq: I want modprobe to insert the new version. It's not doing so.
23:52<qq>ptr: just ignore the message
23:52<ptr>qq: What I'm saying is that modprobe is loading the old version of the module
23:52<Supaplex>ematris: what version of kernel headers do you have?
23:52<ptr>qq: or so says modprobe -v
23:52<dpkg>hmm... build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to aptitude install build-essential. If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
23:53<ptr>qq: and that's a problem.
23:53<hingwah>ptr, modprobe -r modulename to remove the module first and load it again?
23:53<ptr>hingwah: sudo modprobe -v kvm
23:53<ptr>insmod /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm.ko
23:53<ematris>supaplex: 2.6.18-7
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23:54<ptr>whereas the right version is in /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/misc/kvm.ko
23:55<ptr>damnit, I fail anyway. Somehow I'm getting 'unknown symbol'
23:56<hingwah>ptr, remove the old one , modprobe -r kvm, depmod -a, modprobe kvm?
23:57<ematris>supaplex: 'still there?
23:57<Supaplex>ematris: feel free to compare dpkg --get-selections.
23:57<Supaplex>I'm not sure I have new ideas.
23:57<ptr>hingwah: broke it anyway. Somehow I compiled it in such a way that it refused to load
23:57<ptr>like, explicitly, with insmod
23:58<ptr>so I'm rebuilding, and I'm not going to try to package it properly this time
23:58<ematris>supaplex: ok thanks
23:59<ematris>supaplex: where can i get debian sid netinstall
23:59<hingwah>ptr, if i remember correctly, insmod won't help you load other modules that ur module depends on, in which modprobe does that
23:59<ptr>hingwah: that's correct. But I'm getting 'unknown symbol', which shouldn't be happening anyway
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