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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-05-22

---Logopened Thu May 22 00:00:01 2008
---Daychanged Thu May 22 2008
00:00<Supaplex>ematris: this box is etch... with a few backports. there might be a testing daily build that allows you to install sid (for development+testing only)
00:00<hingwah>ptr, if the symbol is provided by other modules
00:00<ptr>it shouldn't be
00:00<ptr>the symbols are all kvm-related
00:01<hingwah>ptr, um,ok
00:01<ptr>they're failing with "disagrees about version of symbol"
00:02-!-mode/#debian [+l 352] by debhelper
00:02<ptr>aaaah
00:02<ptr>The problem with me
00:02<ptr>is that I'm often moronic
00:02<ematris>supaplex: how can i make iso image of my cd on debian?
00:02<ptr>and I'm a *loud* moron.
00:02<ptr>:-\ sorry, folks
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00:04<demo>que desmadre
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00:06<gonzo>buenas que tal alguien habla españo
00:06<gonzo>español?
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00:08<Supaplex>!tell gonzo -about es
00:08<demo_>desmadre
00:08<demo_>quien quiere escribir en espa?ol?
00:09<Supaplex>!tell demo_ -about es
00:09<demo_>nadie?
00:09<Supaplex>no spanish here. sorry :)
00:09<gonzo>si yo
00:09<demo_>ok sorry
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00:10<demo_>bye
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00:12<kop>What does Debian have in the way of hsrp, vrrp, carp, etc? Where would I go rtfm?
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00:13<kop>heartbeat?
00:14<Supaplex>high avail stuff?
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00:14<kop>Supaplex : I want basic router failover. I suppose other stuff would be nice.
00:15<Supaplex>apt-cache search vrrp has a few hits.
00:17<kop>Supaplex : Maybe ucarp....
00:18<Supaplex>"no need for any dedicated extra network link between redundant hosts" vrrp is suppose to support that anyway. it does on Juniper gear anyway...
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00:19<kop>Supaplex : With vrrp you need the extra link if you want security in your failover.
00:20<Supaplex>I'll have to research that tomorrow.
00:20*Supaplex has a 50M$USD lab to play with for this sorta thing
00:21<kop>Supaplex : nice
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00:21<Supaplex>work has issues with outside gear, so we'll see about interopability with debian later.
00:21<Supaplex>no idea who I have to ask for permission on that issue :)
00:25<black_13>Supaplex, do you use or contribute to debian-live ?
00:25<Supaplex>black_13: I did a long time ago (grub r+d multiboot)
00:25<black_13>back in the casper days
00:26<Supaplex>yup
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00:27<black_13>i am trying to figure out launch xterm i have xorg running
00:28<Supaplex>xorg and what else?
00:28<black_13>my stuff is based off of kai hendrys webconverger scripts
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00:29<black_13>instead of launching mozilla i want to run xterm
00:29<Supaplex>.xinitrc ?
00:29<black_13>i knew the answer would be incredibly easy
00:30<Supaplex>ps, that's not -live specific :)
00:30<black_13>oh i didnt think it was
00:30<black_13>during the day do embedded XP it stunts my brain
00:31<Supaplex>ouch
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00:31<black_13>but thats off topic
00:31<black_13>thanks
00:31<Supaplex>can that boot and run via pxe+samba or similar?
00:31<black_13>embedded xp?
00:32<Supaplex>yup. let's use ##xpembed for our ot noise :)
00:32<black_13>sure
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00:33<rrm>hello room
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00:37<kop>The thing is, to do router hot-failover you need more than a floating IP address. You've also got to sychronize firewall state (and mark and other sort of connection tracking) between the two devices. Does Debian have something like this?
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00:42<prathibha>My partition table is corrupted. Is there any way to correct the partition table?
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00:44<kop>prathibha : Yes, but I don't really know what it is offhand. parted perhaps?
00:44<kop>prathibha : What did you do?
00:44<prathibha>Mine is a sony vaio laptop.
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00:45<prathibha>kop, In that windows vista was installed by default. After that I installed debian.
00:45<kop>prathibha : If you know exactly what the partition table is supposed to look like, exactly which blocks each partition starts and ends on, then repair is somewhat straightforward.
00:46<kop>prathibha : And then what?
00:46<prathibha>kop, How to find out.
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00:46<prathibha>kop, Is there any way to solve the problem
00:46<kop>prathibha : If you didn't save your partition table before messing with it then I don't know. (I wonder if the installer saves the old partition table anywhere. ? That would be nice of it.)
00:47<kop>prathibha : You installed debian. And you told it to erase your old partitions?
00:49<kop>prathibha : Why did installing debian mess up your partition table? How do you know it's messed up? What steps did you go through. Tell folks here what happened and they might be able to help.
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00:54<rrm>how can i reconfigure xorg?
00:54<rrm>anyone?
00:54<qq>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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00:55<rrm>thanks qq
00:55<rrm>i was typeing xorg only
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00:57<uhriventis>Hello
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00:58<rrm>thanks guys... the systems seems faster now
00:58<uhriventis>I'm sort of having a problem installing things
00:58<uhriventis>When I apt-get something or synapt it.
00:58<uhriventis>Well, it downloads and installs just never comes up on my bars. But, however just recently the things I downloaded like two days ago just came up in my bars.
00:58<uhriventis>Weird
00:59<qq>rrm: cu palcere
00:59<qq>rrm: cu *placere
00:59<rrm>qq: mersi
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01:00<qq>rrm: sa cresti mare
01:00<elfrank18298>epales ojala hablen español
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01:00<rrm>qq: dupa multe incercari tot e ok... tot la debian ma intorc... freebsd e cam naspa
01:00<qq>hehe
01:01<rrm>qq: imi plac manuale, documentele si organizarea, dar nu se atampla lucrurire cum apar acolo
01:01<elfrank18298>que no hablan espaól aqui?
01:01<kop>!es
01:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
01:02<elfrank18298>español no hablan aqui español
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01:02<elfrank18298>se ve bueno el chat este sobre debian
01:03<elfrank18298>dpkg you speakers español?
01:03<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
01:05<elfrank18298>i am use linux in special ubuntu 8.04
01:06<elfrank18298>help
01:08<elfrank18298>hayyy alguien que hable spanol aqui
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01:14<libereco>dpkg... all the hispanics must go to #debian-es?? :| i want to stay here...
01:15<jm_>not must, but if they don't speak english
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01:20<AGNES>hallo
01:21<AGNES>kp;lxjkumcuif
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01:22<Alam_Debian>AGNES, stop
01:22<Alam_Debian>..
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01:25<Maverynthia>Is there any way to uninstall or rollback an upgrade?
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01:27<phillipsjk>!downgrade
01:27<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
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01:28<phillipsjk>Maverynthia, if it is a single package you can have some success removing the new version and installing the old in its place.
01:29<Maverynthia>:< Unfortunately it's the whole system...
01:30<Maverynthia>One of those "I assure you nothing is going to go wrong..see I did it!"
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01:31<Maverynthia>I keep getting libgnomebreakpad.so error or Gtk2.so errors
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01:34<Angel>Hallo
01:34<Angel>hii
01:34<phillipsjk>hello
01:36<Angel>YOU SPEaking indonesia
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01:37<Angel>Please get answer
01:37<Slydder>morning all
01:37<Angel>you crazy
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01:38<Angel>sorry
01:38*phillipsjk senses a language barrier.
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01:41*jm_ sense brain cells number barrier
01:41<jm_>senses too
01:41*less senses a lack of caffeine this morning
01:42<Angel>what?in the afternoon
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01:47<phillipsjk>Angel, has anybody explained to you the world is round? (hard to believe at first, I know.)
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01:48<p_quarles>the world is round?
01:48*p_quarles goes to look
01:49<Maverynthia>I keep getting this error: /usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Gtk2/Gtk2.so: undefined symbol: gtk_buildable_get_type is there a fix to it I also get a similar libgnomebreakpad.so error
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01:49<Angel>no iam no english
01:49<phillipsjk>p_quarles, It is hard to see up close, but check out that shadow on the moon (in a few days)
01:50<p_quarles>:)
01:50<Angel>do you like hobies?
01:52*phillipsjk just remembers his cube theory (with hills hiding edges) when he was told world is not flat at the age of 5.
01:52<jm_>Maverynthia: do you have gtk 2.12 installed?
01:54<Maverynthia>Yes, I made sure that was installed as well as the Perl5 that also gives the error... also the files appear to be in the proper directories as well
01:54<jm_>nm -D /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so|grep gtk_buildable_get_type
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01:57<Angel>good
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02:00<Angel>answer
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02:32<soniccow>If I have a problem with a startup script, how do I skip those or edit them before booting?
02:34<jm_>single user mode
02:34<simonrvn>depending where it is, you can start up in single user mode, or with init=/bin/sh
02:34<soniccow>what do you mean with init=/bin/sh
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02:34<soniccow>What would I do? From GRUB
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02:35<jm_>!single user mode
02:35<dpkg># telinit 1, or reboot and choose "single-user mode" from the GRUB menu, or add '1' to the lilo boot prompt 'LILO: linux 1' enter.
02:36<soniccow>Actually, I'm still getting the problem. It's with a sound card that it's not finding. So it keeps repeating and not starting.
02:37<jm_>what exactly is the problem?
02:38<soniccow>So, when I boot up, I get "Yamaha op3-sa soundcard not found or device busy" over and over again
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02:39<cesurasean>can anyone help me with this error on a ruby program? /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/gtk2.rb:13:in `init': Cannot open display: localhost:0.0 (RuntimeError)
02:39<jm_>soniccow: in dmesg too?
02:40<soniccow>jm_: dmesg?
02:40<jm_>soniccow: type dmesg, read the screen
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02:41<soniccow>Where do I type it? It says "Error 27: Unrecognized command"
02:41<valdyn>cesurasean: open a new terminal, run "echo $DISPLAY"
02:41<jm_>it's a regular linux command, type it in any sort of terminal
02:42<soniccow>How do I get to a new terminal if it's stuck on startup scripts?
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02:42<cesurasean>localhost:0.0
02:42<cesurasean>is what that returns
02:42<valdyn>cesurasean: now run that program in that terminal
02:43<jm_>ok you definitely need to learn how to explain your problems in more detail - you are saying it doesn't give you login prompt? if so boot in single user mode
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02:43<cesurasean>same error again
02:43<jm_>cesurasean: are you running it as root?
02:43<cesurasean>yes
02:43<simonrvn>cesurasean: not running the app as root would help
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02:43<jm_>!tell cesurasean -about sux
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02:43<valdyn>cesurasean: i told you to open a new program, not to become root in that terminal
02:43<valdyn>cesurasean: i told you to open a new terminal, not to become root in that terminal
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02:43<soniccow>jm_: Even in single user mode I can't get a prompt.
02:44<jm_>and learn to prefix people on IRC if you reply to them
02:44<jm_>soniccow: use the init= trick then
02:44<cesurasean>has anyone ever heard of mozshot?
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02:44<jm_>no
02:44<cesurasean>usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/gtk2.rb:13:in `init': Cannot open display: localhost:0.0 (RuntimeError)
02:45<cesurasean>why am I getting this error?
02:45<valdyn>cesurasean: stop running it as root
02:45<soniccow>jm_: How exactly do I do the "init= trick"?
02:45<cesurasean>so run it as a different user?
02:45<valdyn>cesurasean: are you logged in as root in X ?
02:45<cesurasean>im not in X
02:45<cesurasean>just command line
02:45<jm_>soniccow: in grub select the given entry with cursor keys, press e <end> <space> init=/bin/bash<enter> b
02:45<valdyn>cesurasean: that program needs to be run in X
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02:46<cesurasean>are you sure?
02:46<valdyn>cesurasean: why is $DISPLAY set when you are not in X ?
02:46<cesurasean>I set it, trying to get around it.
02:46<jm_>soniccow: actually that may be wrong - you need to do this for the line starting with kernel (may not be selected by default when you press e)
02:47<valdyn>cesurasean: thats only makes sense if you actually have an X display at localhost:0.0
02:47<cesurasean>oh
02:47<cesurasean>well let me show you what the real error says then
02:47<simonrvn>jm_: no that works ok
02:47<simonrvn>jm_: erm add a , after that "no"
02:47<soniccow>jm_: put it after "kernel /boot/mlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro"?
02:47<valdyn>cesurasean: the "real" error is just telling us that you have no X, run that program in X
02:47<jm_>simonrvn: yeah could be, I never use debian grub configs
02:47<jm_>soniccow: yeah
02:48<cesurasean>[root@ns3 shot]# ruby mozshot.rb
02:48<cesurasean>/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/gtk2.rb:13:in `init': Cannot open display: (RuntimeError)
02:48<simonrvn>Do. Not. Run. It. As. Root.
02:48<cesurasean>so, that means I need gnome or something along those lines to run it?
02:48<valdyn>cesurasean: no, it means you need X
02:48<simonrvn>Run. It. In. An. X. Session.
02:49<valdyn>cesurasean: you dont need to make things complicated, if i say you need X, then it probably means you need X
02:49<valdyn>!X
02:49<cesurasean>ok
02:49<cesurasean>send me the help on X
02:49<soniccow>jm_: Ok, great, thanks! I'll see what I can do with the problem from here.
02:49<cesurasean>please
02:49<valdyn>cesurasean: what?
02:49<valdyn>cesurasean: what is "the help on X" ?
02:49<cesurasean>can you tell the bot to tell me how to install X?
02:50<valdyn>cesurasean: aptitude install xorg
02:51<cesurasean>installing. hold on.
02:51<jm_>holding on
02:51<cesurasean>what exactly is xorg?
02:52<valdyn>!xorg
02:52<dpkg>methinks xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure.
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02:52<cesurasean>oh
02:52<cesurasean>thats what I thought it was.
02:52<cesurasean>same error, and xorg is installed now.
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02:53<cesurasean>[root@ns3 shot]# ruby mozshot.rb
02:53<cesurasean>/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/gtk2.rb:13:in `init': Cannot open display: (RuntimeError)
02:53<valdyn>cesurasean: it does not only need to be installed, it needs to be running
02:53<cesurasean>oh
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02:53<karnov>is there any package which contain a cron interface graphical
02:53<cesurasean>how do I fire it up?
02:54<valdyn>cesurasean: try "startx", not as root
02:54<jm_>karnov: yes
02:56<karnov>jm : which one ?
02:56<cesurasean>still the same error
02:56<valdyn>cesurasean: you need to run that program from X
02:56<jm_>karnov: apt-cache search crontab
02:56<valdyn>cesurasean: if X didnt start then you arent running X
02:56<cesurasean>on a terminal?
02:56<valdyn>cesurasean: sure
02:57<cesurasean>or can I run it remote/
02:57<valdyn>cesurasean: youre asking funny questions
02:57<valdyn>cesurasean: your program obviously has an X user interface
02:57<valdyn>cesurasean: it cannot do anything useful without X
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02:57<cesurasean>im not sure. it's poorly documented.
02:58<cesurasean>there is no documents, actually.
02:58<cesurasean>haha
02:58<valdyn>cesurasean: maybe you shouldnt even use it
02:58<cesurasean>maybe
02:58<cesurasean>so you think it's trying to run in a GUI?
02:58<cesurasean>and that's why I can't run it from command line?
02:58<jaakko>cesurasean: how did you install your system? why didn't you choose "desktop" installation? Or did you?
02:58<karnov>jm_ : yes, of course .... but i don't have any possibility to execute any apt commpand ... i'm on irc by an irc cgi script , and my customer run under Suse ... it's just for obtain a name and look for the source
02:58<cesurasean>no, it's not a desktop install.
02:59<valdyn>cesurasean: i *know* it needs X, i dont care about anything else
02:59<jm_>karnov: you can search on http://packages.debian.org/ -- kcron and gcrontab
02:59<jaakko>cesurasean: you do server installation and try to run graphical program?
02:59<karnov>jm_ : thks
02:59<valdyn>cesurasean: you cannot trivially run it on windows
02:59<valdyn>cesurasean: if your ssh client is a linux box then you can read "/msg dpkg sshx"
03:00<valdyn>cesurasean: if its windows, ask #windows how to set up an X server
03:00<cesurasean>its linux
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03:00<jaakko>cesurasean: what is the program you are trying to start? How did you install that?
03:00<valdyn>jaakko: http://mozshot.nemui.org/
03:01<cesurasean>I never installed it, I'm just trying to run it with ruby mozshot.rb
03:01<bdg>Hello all. I want to allow a single user read, write, and execute access to a directory and all sub-directories and files. How do I do this?
03:01<cesurasean>and it throws that error
03:01<valdyn>!wikifaq bdg Permissions
03:01<dpkg>bdg: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/
03:01<valdyn>bdg: and chmod and / or chown are the tools, see manpages
03:02<bdg>right, I'm having trouble using them in a way specifying a user
03:02<cesurasean>I'm 99% sure I have everything installed that I need to support the program. it just throws that error about cannot open display
03:02<cesurasean>so, im guessing it needs to be ran from actual server itself, on a monitor
03:02<valdyn>cesurasean: read "/msg dpkg sshx"
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03:03<cesurasean>how do I read /msg dpkg sshx?
03:03<valdyn>cesurasean: you type that in your irc client
03:03<cesurasean>ah
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03:04<valdyn>cesurasean: and dont come back here asking that it doesnt work because you edited ssh_config instead of sshd_config
03:04<cesurasean>ok, so I have to tweak ssh basically
03:04<bdg>I have a user, let's call him bench, and I want bench to have all those permissions in /var/www. I'm logged in as root. How do I do this?
03:04<bdg>I don't want bench to own /var/www, just to have those permissions
03:05<cesurasean>at least im getting somewhere with this
03:05<valdyn>bdg: yes, you are supposed to rtfm as i told you
03:05<cesurasean>thanks for the help
03:06<valdyn>cesurasean: you dont need xorg to run this program remotely like that, but the X libraries you do need, those are installed
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03:06<morgan`>hello
03:07<bdg>valdyn, I appreciate your help. I was looking for the easy solution, for someone who knows already to tell me how because I don't actually need to know. I'm not opposed to knowing, I was just looking for the easier way. thanks anyhow, guys
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03:10<cesurasean>what do you mean I don't need xorg to run the program remotely like that?
03:10<cesurasean>how exactly do I run it?
03:11<jaakko>valdyn: isn't that mozshot some server script, not a program to run from command line?
03:12<valdyn>jaakko: umm, it needs an X display
03:12<valdyn>jaakko: i dont know more about it than that
03:12<jaakko>valdyn: I mean you can use it with browser..
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03:12<jaakko>valdyn: if you check that page which cesurasean gave..
03:13<valdyn>jaakko: thats probably showing usage for the web ui
03:13<valdyn>jaakko: his error message couldnt be any clearer though
03:13<jaakko>valdyn: ah, ok
03:14<jaakko>valdyn: but that "usage" example gives only urls
03:15<valdyn>jaakko: sure, webui
03:15<jaakko>valdyn: where you put them if not browser?
03:15<jaakko>valdyn: so there is a comman line tool also, they just don't mention on web page?
03:15<valdyn>jaakko: im not going to read the program source code
03:15<cesurasean>yes
03:15<cesurasean>you ca run it from the command line
03:15<valdyn>jaakko: i _only_ read his error message, which is as clear as it can be
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03:16<cesurasean>so, I need to find out how to run a program in x from ssh.
03:16<valdyn>cesurasean: and dpkg already told you how to do that
03:16<cesurasean>never done that
03:16<cesurasean>yeah, I saved that info
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03:16<cesurasean>but, this is a centos server ;)
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03:17<cesurasean>I just think debian people are smarter. haha
03:17<cesurasean>go debian!
03:17<valdyn>cesurasean: centos ssh does not work any different than debian ssh
03:17<cesurasean>yeah, I know
03:17<cesurasean>I didn't read exactly what had to be done yet
03:19<cesurasean>what does this mean below that error though?
03:19<cesurasean> from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/gtk2.rb:13
03:19<cesurasean> from /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/gtkmozembed.rb:1:in `require'
03:19<cesurasean>just saying that error occured in those files?
03:19<valdyn>cesurasean: thats what exception handling does, an error traceback
03:20<cesurasean>so that's just telling me where the error was?
03:20<valdyn>cesurasean: yes
03:20<cesurasean>that's what I thought
03:20<cesurasean>I just need another brain for a minute ;)
03:20<cesurasean>you guys have been a big help
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03:21<cesurasean>do you guys handle personal problems also?
03:21<cesurasean>hahaha
03:21<cesurasean>I mean, as well as you handle linux troubleshooting?
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03:25<soniccow>jm_: Thanks for your help earlier. I ended up just editing the problem files with Knoppix, but thanks anyway.
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03:34<Slydder>hey all. I have a challange for you guys. We have a cam here in the office. we will be mounting it on top of the Schwerin Castle here in the next few weeks so that we can provide coverage of the BUGA here in Schwerin. The thing is we want to convert the output of this cam to flash and offer that on our web site. I was looking at vlc to do this (transcode it with the new 0.9 version). However, vlc 0.9 has issues atm and we do not have the time. Any ideas?
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03:34<cesurasean>xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny)
03:34<cesurasean>do you know what I would need to install on centos?
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03:35<valdyn>Slydder: whats wrong with etch vlc?
03:35<valdyn>!info vlc etch
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03:35<dpkg>vlc: (multimedia player and streamer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 1110 kB, Installed size: 3184 kB
03:35<Slydder>valdyn: it is pre 0.9 and so doesn't support flash correctly
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03:36<valdyn>Slydder: why does it have to be flash?
03:36<valdyn>Slydder: to exclude iphones?
03:36<jm_>Slydder: try mencoder then
03:39<Slydder>here is the url of the cam (for testing that is) http://194.59.17.59/mjpg/video.mjpg
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03:39<Slydder>as you can see it is a motion jpg
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03:39<valdyn>(111) Connection refused
03:40<valdyn>mencoder should do it i guess
03:42<valdyn>Slydder: or "ffmpeg -y -i input.mpg -r 20 -s 360x288 -deinterlace -ar 22050 output.flv"
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03:43<valdyn>Slydder: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=280652
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03:52<cesurasean>im still getting the same error when I run an X session through ssh.
03:52<chump_>hey guys i was wondering if debian had a program that would interface with the com port and catch the data going from a device to a dot matrix printer?
03:53<chump_>windows has a couple things like Serial Print Logger but wanted to go with more of a unix / linux answer
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03:55<cesurasean>im still getting runtime error
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03:57<jm_>chump_: you can do it several ways
03:58<chump_>oh really can you please elaborate
03:58<jm_>snooper or strace for example
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03:58<chump_>I work for an alarm monitoring station and were looking to get rid of our dotmatrix printers and go with a paperless solution
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03:58<uhriventis>Is there a us debian or is this it?
03:59<chump_>uhriventis: this is it
03:59<valdyn>chump_: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.1
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04:01<chump_>man you guys rule i've seriously been googleing for solutions for like 5 hours today
04:01<jm_>you need to improve on your google fu ;)
04:03<chump_>well hardest part was wording it because it is such a weird thing. do you guys know if this would work w/ a usb to serial adapter?
04:03<uhriventis>Aight
04:03<uhriventis>My debian won't install things
04:03<uhriventis>Don'
04:03<uhriventis>t know why
04:03<valdyn>chump_: sure, those tools dont touch hardware directly, so they dont care
04:03<uhriventis>They will download and install but, won't show up or run in alt f2
04:04<valdyn>chump_: only prerequisite is that you have a device node that represents that serial port
04:04<chump_>they just see a com port once linux has done all the heavy lifting with drivers?
04:04<valdyn>chump_: yes
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04:04<chump_>i'm not sure what you mean by device node?
04:04<valdyn>chump_: /dev/tty0 is a device node
04:05<jaakko>chump_: but usb is something else. Look for msgs in vt when plugging the device
04:06<valdyn>chump_: if you can print on that printer then you got to have such a device node..
04:06<chump_>well see what i'm actually looking to do
04:07<chump_>is there is a device that prints out raw data and i'm looking to catch the data that the device out puts and catch that and put it in a log file
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04:07<\3TATUK>Does anyone know of an easier/alternative way to enable LAN internet connection sharing that Firestarter? (Reason being, it block raw constructed IP packets)
04:07<valdyn>!ipmasq
04:07<dpkg>If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html
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04:08<valdyn>\3TATUK: i dont think firestarter can block packets by the property of being constructed
04:08<aureil>hi
04:08<jaakko>chump_: depends on settings, if you have luck, "tail -f /dev/ttyS0" might give the data
04:09<\3TATUK>valdyn: mm do you mind if I PM you?
04:09<valdyn>\3TATUK: yes i do
04:09<\3TATUK>well i'll look into ipmasq
04:09<uhriventis>bitchx is hard to see in
04:09<jaakko>chump_: the better way is install python-serial and write a python program catching the data.
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04:10<chump_>what level of difficulty to you think that would be jaako?
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04:10<jaakko>chump_: easy, if you know anything about programming and google.
04:10<uhriventis>Crab apple
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04:10<chump_>well did take me 5 hours to not find this haha
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04:11<jaakko>chump_: so you are not a programmer?
04:11<jaakko>chump_: just developing some computer system?
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04:12<chump_>we can buy a program that does everything we need but 1 thing we really wanted
04:12<chump_>or we can look into developing our own system. i'm just looking to see if it would be possible for us to do it
04:12<jaakko>chump_: oh, then I could sell that to you :D
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04:13<chump_>haha yeah come company wants to sell it for 2800 with a parrelle to serial
04:13<chump_>box*
04:13<chump_>and theyhave sold prlly 300 customers it
04:13<chump_>so theres money out ther efor it haha
04:13<jaakko>chump_: wow
04:14<jaakko>chump_: if you really want just log the serial port.. eh, writing that would take about 10 minits with python
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04:15<chump_>how would i jsut see the streaming data ?
04:15<chump_>just*
04:15<chump_>thats where i'm at for this portion of the night haha
04:16<jm_>see what we toold you earlier about snooper, strace and serial programming howto
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04:17<chump_>excellent thank you guys for your help
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04:18<oddtod>hello
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04:18<chum1>chump1
04:18<sheldonh>is there a convention for where to put master zonefiles on a debian etch box running bind9?
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04:19<valdyn>sheldonh: /etc/bind/ ?
04:19<sheldonh>okay, i shall break with convention (/etc/bind/pri). thanks :)
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04:20<valdyn>sheldonh: up to you, debian doesnt do anything to restrict you there
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04:22<chum1>hey guys where would i place scripts to be run @ startup that need to be run as root?
04:22<valdyn>chum1: scripts doing what?
04:22<valdyn>chum1: theres at least 3 ways, that is why i ask
04:23<chum1>you know what you're talking about haha, i'll answer blindly. its starting up a PPP device to a modprobe modprobe remove and an ifup command
04:23<valdyn>chum1: why cant you intergrate that with /etc/network/interfaces ?
04:24<chum1>i guess just because i've never done it that way
04:24<valdyn>chum1: see "man interfaces"
04:24<chum1>thank you sir
04:25<valdyn>chum1: you can do some event based actions there too
04:25<chum1>oh really thank you
04:25<valdyn>chum1: like "run script once interface eth0 is up" or somesuch
04:25<chum1>oh wow that would be really helpful for something else i'm doing
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04:26<valdyn>chum1: like: "post-up do_something"
04:27<chum1>dude how do you guys become sooo good with linux?
04:27<chum1>i swear
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04:27<valdyn>chum1: more simple than you think, i needed this, hence i read the manpage once, and now im just pasting excerpts of mine
04:27<chum1>just when i feel like i can be comfortable i ask a question and get like a wealth of information
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04:29<valdyn>either way its mainly about knowing where to search, not knowing how to do something
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04:30<chum1>kinda a knowing you don't know everything kinda deal
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04:59<grummund_>this command should find files older than 30 days, right? find /cctv/capture/ -mtime +30
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04:59<dondelelcaro>grummund_: with an mtime > 30 days, yes.
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05:00<grummund_>dondelelcaro: thanks. i just realised my system date was screwed
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05:42<lordaxel>salve
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05:52<maxb>Does anyone know if it's possible to convert an existing partition to a RAID1 partition in-place, or is that simply impossible?
05:53<petemc>its possible
05:53<Arrowmaster>not sure but i know you can create a raid1 with only 1 disk at first
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06:00<the-dude>maxb: that works fine
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06:04<the-dude>maxb: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/238
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06:06<maxb>Ah, by copying the data into a new fs. I guess I was being a bit hopeful in wanting to mirror the existing fs as-is
06:07<padski>surely you mirror at the block device layer ?
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06:12<maxb>Yes, but I was wondering if you say "Take this existing ext3 partition and mirror it to another drive", rather than, "Set up a new raid partition, copy all the data into it, and then overwrite the original partition with the raid-sync"
06:12<maxb>the difference being whether the data gets copied between drives once or twice
06:13<padski>maxb, I don't know about the implementations, but I see no reason why you should be able to do as you wish: it is an obviously desirable use-case.
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06:20<padski>maxb, you can for example do something along those lines with drbd0.7 as long as you can unmount and remount the new block device. I thought the raid tools no could do a raid1 format without a raid superblock on the partition, which might help, but I could have been mistaken.
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06:30<kris>Hi all, im install ATI Proprietary driver, after setup, i do ( aticonfig ?initial aticonfig ?overlay-type=Xv ), then reboot, xserver no start, my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/1023764 and xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.ca/1023765
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06:33<jm_>I have no experience with ATI cards, but I don't see any errors there - does it perhaps crash?
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06:36<padski>maxb, see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/README.recipes 10b
06:37<maxb>Excellent! Thanks
06:37<padski>maxb, with online resizing you may not even need to ever be unmounted.
06:37<padski>maxb, remember: backups are your friend :-)
06:38<maxb>online resizing is growth only, no?
06:38<maxb>However, it's not a root partition, so unmount is fine
06:38<padski>maxb, I don't remember.
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06:40<evilmanu>hello
06:40<evilmanu>need help
06:40<padski>!ask
06:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
06:40<evilmanu>I have a problem with aMule
06:41<evilmanu>this is my problem: http://paste.debian.net/3757/
06:41<evilmanu>amule exit with error
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06:42<Torsten_W>http://forum.amule.org/board.php?boardid=6 tell it there
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06:44<evilmanu>ok, thanks
06:44<evilmanu>page not found
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07:05<dark-a>hey guyz need some help pelase ?
07:06<padski>!ask
07:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
07:06<dark-a>see how in natulius you can click on File then Connect to server and it mounts a remote directory through ssh on your desktop.. how can i do that in terminal mounting my remote ssh server location ?
07:07<petemc>sshfs
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07:08<dark-a>sshfs i tryed sshfs -p111 user@host: /remote dose not work
07:08<petemc>try doing it right
07:08<dark-a>i need to specify the rmeote port is not default for ssh
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07:08<dark-a>petemc, so can you correct me please ?
07:09<petemc>im sure its use is documented, as for using a non standard port - that can be specified in ~/.ssh/config
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07:15<dark-a>petemc, yea I have got that far my self it turns out to be No-IP has not been updated thats the reason .. well thanks p.s is it /etc/ssh/sshd_config
07:15<petemc>is it? i guess i should change all my systems then
07:16<petemc>despite the fact they've been working for the past few years
07:16<petemc>dark-a: /etc/ssh/sshd_config is global , you can do it per user in ~/.ssh/config
07:17<dark-a>you have to create it manually ?
07:17<petemc>yes
07:17<dark-a>ah ok something new I have learned today!
07:17<dark-a>thanks for your help!
07:17<petemc>np
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07:46<jesperj>I need to know more about LUKS encryption: How is the password to unlock and lock the partition stored? Is it on the / or /etc or on the partition that gets encrypted? I wonder if I can ecrypt a harddrive with LUKS on a system and then move it to another system without problems.
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07:47<jesperj>It would be sweet if the encryption password and so on was integrated on the partition so I could move it to any system without copying over any system files from the old system
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07:49<jesperj>Does anyone know this?
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07:49<x3m>wsp!!
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07:50<jm_>what would be the point of encrypting something if the password was stored there for everyone to use it?
07:50<weasel>jesperj: you _enter_ the password when you unlock it.
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07:53<jesperj>so, the answer is that there is no external files besides the partition that needs to go with the harddrive to the new system for using the luks encrypted drive there?
07:53<jesperj>it's all integrated on the partition.
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07:54<jesperj>I can just move luksencrypted harddrives between systems and use them the same
07:55<jesperj>without copying over any systemfiles to the systems
07:55<jesperj>?
07:57<weasel>that's correct.
07:57<bigtone>I've upgraded my vulnerable openssh-{server,client} packages, and deleted bad system keys, but dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server is still producing blacklisted keys. What could I be doing wrong?
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07:57<@Ganneff>update the right package
07:57<@Ganneff>libssl0.9.8
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07:58<bigtone>I've verified hashes of /var/cach/apt/archives/openssh*deb from website; and I've verified via dpkg -l for openssh*
07:58<jesperj>thank you weasel
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07:59<azeem>bigtone: verify for libssl as well
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08:01<bigtone>Ganneff and azeem: ta. Mine says libssl0.9.8e-4 - where did that come from?
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08:02<azeem>bigtone: partly upgraded lenny system maybe?
08:02<bigtone>(security has libssl0.9.8c-4etch3)
08:02<bigtone>azeem:no (well not intentionally)
08:02<azeem>I didn't say intentionally
08:03<bigtone>:-) hmm, maybe from etch/updates
08:03<azeem>no
08:04<pumpkin0>is libssl 0.9.8g-10 from lenny clean and OK ?
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08:04<azeem>yes
08:04<pumpkin0>azeem: thanks.
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08:09<ematris>hi every body!
08:10<aloha-shin>!useradd
08:10<dpkg>it has been said that useradd is a command to create users on your system
08:10<ematris>cab i get the package "linux-image-2.6.18-6-vserver-686" on an intel xeon?
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08:11<aloha-shin>hi everyone
08:11<aloha-shin>how do i change the passowrd of the user?
08:11<the-dude>passwd $luser
08:11<aloha-shin>im now login as root
08:11<aloha-shin>what is the command
08:11<ematris>hi aloha-shin!
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08:12<aloha-shin>hi
08:12<bigtone>azeem and Ganneff: ta re libssl. Concerned about spurious version, but I seem on the right track now
08:12<aloha-shin>can someone help
08:12<padski>aloha-shin, man passwd
08:12<aloha-shin>i created a user
08:12<aloha-shin>using root
08:12<aloha-shin>but i dont know how to change the pass
08:12<aloha-shin>of the user a created
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08:13<pumpkin0>aloha-shin: 2 people already told you. If i tell you again, will you listen ?
08:13<padski>!ph
08:13<dpkg>ph is probably Public Humiliation, or the Philippines See #Debian-tl for tagalog support.. Sumali sa #Debian-tl para sa talakayan ng Debian sa wikang tagalog
08:13<the-dude>aloha-shin: i just told you read....
08:14<ematris>aloha-shin: delete that user and create it again
08:14<aloha-shin>sorry really need to know. rush. that's why i dont have time to read.
08:14<padski>!grounding
08:14<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
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08:32<ematris>can someone show me how to manage vserver
08:32<bcochofe1>Hi, I'm trying to restore my debian etch box from a mondo rescue cd.
08:32<bcochofe1>My problem is that my hardware as changed so I have a diff hdd set
08:33<hever>Hi, if I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. I got only some simple configure questions and Im not really asked about my mouse or graphig card so its not correct configured... Normally I get more questions, how can I tell dpkg-reconfigure that it should ask me more questions... Or there are other good tools for configuring the xserver? xorgconfig seems not available
08:33<bcochofe1>I know how to use fdisk but I need to edit the mountlist file to rescue, and I need to give the Kb of the partitions
08:34<bcochofe1>How can I check the Kb of a partition from the fdisk output?
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08:35<jm_>hever: you can't AFAIK
08:35<jm_>bcochofe1: hwat is Kb of partition?
08:35<bcochofe1>kilobytes
08:35<jm_>why do you care about that?
08:36<bcochofe1>mountlist.txt uses: <device> <partition> <format> <Kilobytes>
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08:36<hever>jm_, and why its now not asking about monitor or graphics card or mouse configuration as in the past _
08:36<jm_>hever: because it's self configuring - you can still add the bits manually if you need
08:36<jm_>what is mountlist.txt?
08:37<jm_>ahh for mondo?
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08:37<bcochofe1>jm_: my mondo rescue DVD has that file
08:37<jm_>well fdisk -l or /proc/partition show it in kb
08:37<bcochofe1>jm_: ok
08:38<hever>jm_,Yes I do this now, but what do you mean with self configuring ? there are not really configurations the most sections are empty...
08:38<hever>or filled with wrong data...
08:39<jm_>hever: yeah it doesn't need xorg.conf to work, it can detect stuff at runtime and use that to work
08:39<jm_>auto-detection and whatnot
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08:40<bcochofe1>jm_: both fdisk -l and /proc/partitions give my blocks not KB
08:40<jm_>bcochofe1: then it's probably / 2 to get kb
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08:41<hever>jm_, but it doesn|t detect anything or detects it wrong. And sry. Im very confused that its no longer asking me about monitor resolution or other things like in the past everytime...
08:41<bcochofe1>jm_: it can't be, I have a 128Mb for /boot and it has 136521 blocks
08:42<bcochofe1>jm_: at least I told in fdisk for it to be +128M
08:42<jm_>bcochofe1: well then it's in kb like I said
08:42<jm_>hever: yeah it's probably not yet very good at it
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08:46<bcochofe1>jm_: mm, then when I set a partition on fdisk to be +1024M maybe it does not have the 1024, maybe it's close, can it be?
08:46<jm_>bcochofe1: fdisk is rounding things so they end up on cylinder boundaries AFAIK
08:47<bcochofe1>jm_: ok, that's what was getting me wrong
08:47<bcochofe1>thx
08:47<bcochofe1>jm_: do you know mondo?
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08:49<jm_>bcochofe1: I just know what it does, but I haven't used it
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08:50<hever>Now I set "SHMConfig" "true" and tried also "SHMConfig" "on" but gsynaptic tells me I must set SHMConfig. What must I set "SHMConfig" ?
08:52<bcochofe1>hever: after you've changed to value did you restart X?
08:54<hever>sure
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08:56<hever>wharg, I'm really not sure how long I could stand behind debian against ubuntu...
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08:57<jm_>how did you specify SHMConfig?
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08:59<hever>jm_, Option "SHMConfig" "true"
08:59<jm_>hever: where?
09:01<hever>jm_, http://pastebin.ca/1025843
09:03<jm_>hever: and synclient is still failing to work?
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09:04<hever>jm_, I can't reconfigure the synaptics touchpad with gsynaptics.
09:04<jm_>hever: did you try synclient instead?
09:05<ZaZa>hello
09:06<hever>jm_, "synclient -l" gives me "http://pastebin.ca/1025843". Ok I used ctrl+alt+backspace to restart the x-server. Perhaps this is the wrong way ?
09:06<hever>:) ehm it gives me "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?"
09:06<jm_>hever: hmm it should work I think, anything in xorg.log for synaptics?
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09:08<hever>jm_, Not really: "Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded "
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09:09<jm_>hever: ipcs -m lists active shared memory segments
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09:09<ZaZa>I has install debian sid
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09:12<hever>jm_, ok ;) but this doesn't help me really...
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09:13<hever>jm_, hmmmmm... I must go now and eat something and I'm not happy about this.... ;) Thanks for your help jm_
09:13<NinjaMan>if I have a piece of software that manages TCP & UDP connections on separate ports, what would be the downside of re-configuring the ports to be the same?
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09:23<NinjaMan>not to worry I found my answer
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09:43<Aleric>Does anyone know if there are applications to makea screen capture video on linux? (That is, record what's happening on your desktop to a video)
09:43<azeem>istanbul e.g.
09:43<petemc>screencasting, sure
09:43<azeem>or byzanz
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09:44<poepy>recordmydeskto
09:44<poepy>or xvidcap
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09:51<x03>hallo
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09:56<kop>x03: hello
09:56<gu>hi
09:56<gu>what's your name
09:57<gu>hey
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09:57<JonY_>hello to all
09:58<JonY_>i have question , can i give here?
09:58<kop>!ask
09:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
09:58<JonY_>!ask Can i use NFS with WinXP
09:59<JonY_>hm
09:59<JonY_>i not recive anything
09:59<dezent>isnt nfs in "services for unix" ?
09:59<JonY_>i just want to know , can i use NFS with winxp , in all examples NFS is used Unix - UNIX boxes
10:00<petemc>yes, you can
10:00<JonY_>i just want to know , can NFS comunicate with WINXP
10:00<JonY_>like samba
10:00<JonY_>?
10:00<petemc>how many times do you want to know
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10:02<JonY_>petemc
10:02<JonY_>i just want to know , can NFS comunicate with WINXP like samba , just mount the network drive
10:02<JonY_>that's all..
10:03<kop>JonY : Configuring XP is not what we do here. petemc says there's a way to do it, but how to do it is offtopic. Maybe somebody knows where you can go ask XP questions. Maybe the nfs channel?
10:04<petemc> ##windows on freenode
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10:05<knoppix_>hallo
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10:05<JonY_>............
10:05<JonY_>I persuade myself that the people that understand are proud from Linux for a consecutive time
10:06<kop>Is there a linux equalivent to openbsd's pfsync, which syncs firewall state so that hot-failover is seamless (ftp excepted)?
10:06<padski>kop, various implementations of vrrpd and I think there is one that speaks the openbsd protocol too
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10:07<kop>padski : That's just for having an IP that floats and takes over, but any ongoing stateful firewall connections will be dropped when failover happens unless the internal state of iptables is shared between the devices.
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10:09<padski>kop, there is a thing ...
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10:11<padski>kop, ct_sync ?
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10:12<padski>I think maybe there was something newer
10:12<kop>padski : Maybe not in stable....
10:12<padski>lol
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10:15<padski>kop, there have been linux distros shipped around this kind of thing. there was a chap at mandrake and there was some development done at Astaro. Adding a kernel module and maybe a daemon isn't hard :-)
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10:16<kop>padski : Looking for ct_sync info I see netfilter commits in 2004....
10:16<zepard>hi people
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10:18<zepard>do you have any doc about installing custom keymaps
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10:18<themill>dpkg: keymap
10:18<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
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10:20<yo1>lo
10:20<yo1>que
10:20<yo1>na
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10:22<kop>Ok, what's wrong with my brain? Aside from debian.org, what's the way to list files in a package that's not installed?
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10:23<zepard>themill, thx but I have used xmodmap, but not in login and can4t get install-keymap wrk fine or I didn4t understand it at all, I 'll goole those tricks though
10:23<themill>kop: apt-file
10:23<themill>zepard: no worries. have fun.
10:23<ciphergoth>I'm about to install Debian stable on a new server, which will have two 300GB SATA drives installed. I'd like to set up some redundancy on these two drives, so the machine can boot and work even if either one of the two fails. I think what I need is software RAID-1, but how do I make sure the booting side of things works?
10:23<ciphergoth>everything I find by Googling is five years old...
10:23<kop>themill : Thanks. Brain fart.
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10:26<padski>Is there a package I can install that improves upon the apache2 default "It works" page :-)
10:26<kop>ciphergoth : You might look at grub v2. Because the problem is with the boot loader. Once the initial ramdisk is up, no problems.
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10:29<zepard>a noob quetion: how to launch a prcess on xterm and have this latter still working after closing the xterm
10:30<dezent>anyone tried debian on HP DL 180 G5 ? i cant get the nic to work
10:30<thomasbl>xterm -e 'program &; disown'
10:30<mikegrb>zepard: you probably want screen or nohup
10:30<kop>ciphergoth : The "traditional" solution is to manually copy /boot at boot time so you've always a backup and just don't raid /boot.
10:30<ciphergoth>kop: I'm guessing grub 2 is too new to be in stable?
10:30<ciphergoth>kop: that sounds feasable
10:30<kop>ciphergoth : I _thought I saw something vis grub2 in stable, but now I don't see it.
10:31<dondelelcaro>ciphergoth: it wasn't stable at all at the time that etch was released.
10:31<dondelelcaro>(it *still* has some problems)
10:31<kop>ciphergoth : Maybe it's in etchnhalf? (Don't know why I'd think that.)
10:31<ciphergoth>yeah, it sounds like it's not yet the right thing to install on our primary production web server in our hosted rack
10:31<zepard>thomasbl, no man extry for disown
10:32<ciphergoth>so I just copy /boot?
10:32<ciphergoth>I just found this: http://www.linuxconfig.org/Linux_Software_Raid_1_Setup
10:32<thomasbl>zepard: i guess it's an bash builtin
10:32<ciphergoth>it seems to suggest I install as normal on one disk, then set up the other disk for raid, change the boot sequence and reboot
10:32<ciphergoth>does that sound right??
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10:32<kop>dezent : Try etchnhalf for newer hardware support? Worked for me.
10:32<ciphergoth>I promise second question mark is key bounce, not impatience :-)
10:33<ciphergoth>hardware is from late 2005
10:33<ciphergoth>except disks and memory
10:33<dezent>kop: great thanx
10:34<dondelelcaro>actually, what you do is have a separate /boot which you raid1.
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10:34<dondelelcaro>and install grub to each of the units in the raid
10:34<dondelelcaro>(that way you don't have to muck about keeping the menu.lst synced, and everything else happens correctly.
10:34<ciphergoth>dondelelcaro: that sounds good
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10:35<kop>dezent : I wrote the "how to install etchnhalf without installing etch" part of the wiki, so blame me if it goes wrong. It worked for me....
10:35<zepard>thomasbl, what is the diff between nohup and disown
10:35<ciphergoth>is there a way to tell grub that it needs to write to two different disks?
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10:35<dondelelcaro>ciphergoth: no, but you don't need such a way
10:36<thomasbl>zepard: nothing, its simple the same processing, i think
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10:36<kop>zepard : I can't find disown in etch.
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10:36<ali3n0>hi guys
10:36<zepard>thomasbl, hum
10:36<ciphergoth>dondelelcaro: *confused* but if grub only writes to one disk, and that disk dies, the system can't boot can it?
10:37<thomasbl>man bash
10:37<thomasbl>/disown
10:37<kop>ciphergoth : Once grub is installed on a disk it does not need updating for new kernels, etc.
10:37<thomasbl>and then you can read ;)
10:37<zepard>thomasbl, :)
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10:37<zepard>kop, I m on sid
10:38<kop>thomasbl : Whatdayaknow. I never knew that was there.
10:38<ali3n0>I've got to give access to a mysql db running on a server outside our lan, so I'm puzzled about the safest way to do this: vpn? a tunnel? mysql over ssl?
10:38<zepard>kop, I don4t know on etch
10:39<kop>ciphergoth : Your bios will still need to know what disk to boot from if a disk dies, but you should be able to set that up ahead of time, maybe.
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10:39<dondelelcaro>ciphergoth: uh... that's why you install grub onto each disk seaprately.
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10:39<micegio>who can help me to compile fstab?
10:39<dondelelcaro>ciphergoth: and presumably, your bios should be capable of booting from the next available hard drive
10:39<dondelelcaro>micegio: there's no compiling.
10:39<kop>ali3n0 : They're all about equally safe. It depends on your specific requirements. You can lock down something like OpenVPN the hardest.
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10:40<micegio>I've a sata disk with 3 partition,ext3 sda5 and sda6
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10:40<ali3n0>kop: thanks. yeah, I'll lock to a pool of ips as well, but I'd like to encrytp as well
10:41<ali3n0>kop: maybe is stunnel the best way if I only need one port?
10:41<Guest245>when i start kiba dock i get this ...http://pastebin.com/m6cbfcf61
10:41<micegio>dondelelcaro, what do you mean?
10:41<ali3n0>I mean, vpn seems too much to me, but maybe is the best as well
10:41<dondelelcaro>micegio: you just edit the file. You don't compile it.
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10:42<dondelelcaro>ali3n0: stunnel is really simple to setup, but if you're going to be doing anything complex, or you need it to be configured when you boot, openvpn is easiest.
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10:42<ciphergoth>kop, dondelelcaro: OK, I get it now, thanks for your patience. (Sorry, was AFK for a tick there)
10:42<micegio>dondelelcaro, ok exscuse my bad english, i want to say edit... I try to do it myself, but I make some mistake.
10:42<Guest245>when i start kiba dock i get this ... http://pastebin.com/m6cbfcf61
10:42<kop>ali3n0 : I tend to like a VPN solution, just because it's designed for that area so offers the most flexibility. But if you're looking at _only_ _ever_ _just_ mysql you might want to stick with what mysql provides for encryption.
10:43<dondelelcaro>micegio: just open it in an editor; if you're having a problem, use a paste site to paste it so we can see it
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10:43<micegio>dondelelcaro, I can browse my sda6 and sda6 partition only with nautilus
10:43<ali3n0>kop: i get it, thanks
10:43<kop>ali3n0 : I tend to look at ssh tunnels as a kludge. Mostly.
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10:43<ali3n0>kop: I was in that direction too, but just not sure
10:43<roverd>hello, did anybody do arm memcpy tests using both standard memcpy and arm/lib/memcpy.s in ARM assembly language?
10:44<ali3n0>kop, dondelelcaro: thanks buddies
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10:44<dondelelcaro>roverd: I rather doubt it; in any event, performance is almost certainly arm processor specific
10:45<ali3n0>any hint on where I could find/benchmark performances info about ssl/vpn connections?
10:45<micegio>dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.com/d66c5b050
10:45<roverd>dondelelcaro, you are right. But I assumed the memcpy.s in arch/arm/lib/ is an optimized one.
10:45<AbsintheSyringe>was anyone able to install vmware workstation on debian testing (2.6.24-1) ?
10:46<dondelelcaro>roverd: it may not be
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10:46<kop>I think the right solution for hot-failover of firewalls is conntrackd, but that requires at least lenny. Anybody know if there's anything else?
10:46<dondelelcaro>micegio: ditch the trailing , there; and remove the blank lines
10:47<dondelelcaro>kop: you could get a backport of it
10:47<micegio>trailing
10:47<kop>ali3n0 : If you've performance problems buy hardware crypto accelleration pci or minipci card. They're pretty cheap.
10:47<kop>dondelelcaro : I'm just wondering what all the options are.
10:47<dondelelcaro>micegio: auto,user, should be auto,user
10:48<dondelelcaro>ali3n0: I'd be really surprised if your encryption was a significant overhead in comparison to your available bandwidth
10:48<dondelelcaro>(though I suppose you could have a big link)
10:48<kop>dondelelcaro : "auto,user", looks the same to me
10:49<ali3n0>dondelelcaro: yeah I think so, just curious :D
10:49<kop>dondelelcaro , micegio : Ah, I see. Eliminate the trailing ','.
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10:50<dondelelcaro>kop: a comma in the sentence I wrote would have been superfluous there.
10:50<kop>micegio : BTW, you don't need to reboot to test fstab, although eventually you'll likely want to reboot just to be sure.
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10:51<ciphergoth>Can I install on one drive ignoring RAID, and then set up the second drive as a RAID mirror of the first later?
10:51<ciphergoth>Or do the partitions need to be set up for RAID before I start writing to them?
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10:51<kop>dondelelcaro : That would require me to read what you wrote.
10:51<roverd>actually, I am an ASIC designer not familiar to software programming. I'm looking for a memcpy.s optimized for ARM9 to fit my hardware accelerator interface which not only should fast than a standard one in unaligned addr condition, but also would implement blit in a sequential addr mode. Does anyone have some suggestion? If there was some code ready-to-ware?
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10:52<micegio>now say me if this is better http://pastebin.com/m58ed1b2e
10:52<micegio>dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.com/m58ed1b2e
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10:53<dondelelcaro>micegio: sure, should be ok. mount -a; will tell you if it's right.
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10:54<kop>roverd : I don't know anything about arm. It is possible that such optimizations are in the code already. You might want to look. If it's not there, you might write the people who wrote the code and ask. Just a thought.
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10:55<boscaiolo>if ssh-vulnkey tels me "COMPROMISED: 2048 0f:...:b5 /home/richard/.ssh/authorized_keys", what am I supposed to do to find the relevant key in that file?
10:55<roverd>kop, thanks.
10:55<Dunken>is there any netinstall to cover a amd64 install ?
10:56<boscaiolo>assuming someone here has used ssh-vulnkey...
10:57<micegio>dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.com/m195c0f0f it's possible there is a problem with mtab too?
10:57<kop>boscaiolo : I did, but somehow I thought I got a line number out of it....
10:57<micegio>mount -a says nothing
10:57<boscaiolo>oh, maybe an option i'll man
10:58<kop>micegio : Then type "mount" and see if your disks are mounted like you wnat them.
10:58<micegio>sda5 is ok, dut sda6 is unavailable
10:58<micegio>mount
11:00<boscaiolo>kop: no option for line numbers. I guess I can somehow print out the fingerprints of all keys and visually match them up...
11:00<kop>boscaiolo : I don't see anything.... The trick is going to be getting fingerprints for all the keys.
11:00<boscaiolo>yep
11:00<micegio>kop, dondelelcaro it's mount results http://pastebin.com/m6abdc2a7
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11:00<micegio>but the disk is unavailable
11:01<micegio>:((
11:01<kop>micegio : It says sda6 is mounted.
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11:03<padski>kop, conntrackd
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11:03<kop>padski : right, found it earlier but didn't preface with padsik: Only in lenny. Which is fine, I guess because it's a bit academic at this point.
11:04<padski>!simple sid backport
11:04<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
11:04<padski>kkop, why so academic ?
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11:05<kop>padski : Because I use OpenBSD for that at the moment. But now have something coming up where Linux might be approprite. But it's little ways off in the future.
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11:06<micegio>kop, ok here the problem: the disk is mounted, when I try to open it, a message box say me that I haven't allows. If I try to change allows in the property box, I can't because is a only ready disk -8it says...).
11:07<micegio>kop, I try to change property with root, and I can't
11:08<kop>micegio : You have a permission problem. I don't know anything about ntfs. You might tell us what "ls -lhd /mnt/win2/;id" says, and maybe somebody else can step in. I gotta go.
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11:09<micegio>kop, thank a lot see you next time
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11:09<padski>kop, I see. bread and butter on openbsd, so I am told. can you tell anything about why you might choose linux to do this ?
11:10<dino4k>i got a problem with installing postfix. This dialog: http://static.ludwigf.org/postfix.png - no matter what i answer it asks the same question again
11:10<kop>padski : Short answer, Linux (especially debian) is easier to maintain.
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11:12<micegio> ls -lhd /mnt/win2/;id
11:12<micegio>dr-x------ 1 root root 8,0K 2008-04-24 11:51 /mnt/win2/
11:12<micegio>uid=0(root) gid=0(root) gruppi=0(root)
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11:13<micegio>how can I change permession with terminal?
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11:13<Kjetil>chmod/chown
11:13<padski>kop, I have no experience of openbsd. Would it make sense to package it in Debian ?
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11:14<dmz>anyone here using compiz? i just did an update and performance on some of the animation (window flipping/etc) has gotten laggy
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11:15<Dunken>when booting up the the cd, after i pressed enter , the cursor just blinks , ?
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11:16<kop>micegio : See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tutorial.en.html#s-file-perm or read "man chmod". But you might want to ask someone why your ntfs disk would not have write permissions. That seems weird.
11:16<kop>padski : No. http://www.openbsd.org/
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11:20<Dunken>when booting up the the cd, after i pressed enter , the cursor just blinks , ?
11:21<cahoot>what cd?
11:21<Dunken>netinstall amd64
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11:23<cahoot>no error if you hit alt-f2 (or whatever the help screen says)?
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11:31<Dunken>cahoot: when removing all hds it starts the install , all satas
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11:38<micegio>chmod
11:43<cahoot>Dunken: what debianversion? etch?
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11:46<nose>hello
11:47<nose>ho can help me with a prooble I have in debian
11:48<cahoot>just state the problem and hope for the best
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11:49<nose>install debian but I do not reconose the other partitions
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11:50<nose>hello
11:50<padski>!patience
11:50<dpkg>[patience] The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
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11:50<padski>nose, what do you mean you don't recognise them ? what did you do ? what happenned ? what did you expect or would kie to happen ?
11:50<cahoot>nose: any idea what kind of filesystem those partitions have?
11:51<padski>s/kie/like/
11:51<bosky>What kind of error causes bootup to pause at "Give root password for maintenance (or type ctrl-D..."?
11:51<petemc>i think s/recognise/automount/
11:51<bosky>(i'm running Lenny
11:51<padski>bosky, booting in single user mode
11:51<bosky>oh, didn't think I had
11:51<padski>bosky, maybe some fsck error, dunno
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11:52<bosky>I am in runlevel 2
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11:52<bosky>and it happened way after the disk checks
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11:53<cahoot>bosky: often triggered by filesystem errors - failing disk?
11:53<bosky>Oh I hope not
11:53<cahoot>exotic filesystem?
11:54<bosky>no, ext 3 on IDE
11:54<padski>bosky, suggest you login and try to figure it out from the logs
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11:54<cahoot>bosky: the msg is preceded by some info about the problem - not?
11:55<bosky>no... it was
11:55<padski>bosky, and the state of the filesystems (mounted rw?)
11:55<bosky>setting up ICE socket .. whatever that is
11:55<bosky>state at that point?
11:55<bosky>I'll look at logs
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11:56<padski>ICE is something to do with X, I think
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11:57<bosky>oh yes it was just after something else Xish
11:58<bosky>though why that is in the boot sequence I don't know
11:58<padski>"Inter Client Exchange"
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11:58<bosky>surely X server only starts after startx or similar?
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11:59<Dunken>caho: 40r3 , it seems that fails to boot wheneven i plugg some sata device into port 3-4 , weird
11:59<bosky>padski, thanks
11:59<padski>bosky, or g|k|xdm
12:00<bosky>purged those as soon as they raise their ugly little heads
12:01<padski>bosky, well there are other way to setup X to run on boot, but ...
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12:04<bosky>isn't ACPI for laptops?
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12:04<padski>!acpi
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12:04<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also <swsusp>, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see ...
12:05<bosky>just spotted it in the log
12:06<padski>PCs are too complicated. I miss my ][e :-)
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12:06<bosky>I have to admit to being quite happy without my ][e
12:07<bosky>and its expanded memory -- 64KB
12:07<padski>should be enough for the 10% of my brain that I actually use.
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12:07<bosky>hehehe
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12:09<the12gauge>fgh
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12:12<Guest254>any1 knows how to set a key combination to swap between installed languages??????
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12:14<padski>Guest254, console or X ?
12:14<Guest254>χ
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12:17<padski>Guest254, xbindkeys
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12:25<paloma>lo
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12:29<gaviota>lo
12:29<gaviota>pkjiojoij
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12:29<loro>kmomok
12:29<gaviota>hola soy fatima
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12:30<paloma>ola
12:30<padski>!es
12:30<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:31<paloma>esto va de aves o pajaros
12:32<paloma>los animalitos me gustan mucho
12:32*fxiny wow signal power array detector buzzs
12:32<paloma>es que soy de campo
12:33<loro>estas en clase de internet
12:34<padski>!tell loro about es
12:34<fxiny>padski: any virtual slots avaiable ? ;)
12:35<padski>fxiny, huh ?
12:35<gaviota>a mi los animales de legos soy una palomita
12:36<paloma>Loli mañana tenemos piscina
12:36<fxiny>padski: ^^^
12:37<fxiny>piscina ? sounds like a new derivative : only debian tx :P
12:39<paloma>yo tengo una gata
12:39<loro>me cuesta mucho escribir
12:39<padski>you have a cat ?
12:39<fxiny>heheheh
12:39<paloma>porque tenemos que practicar
12:39<themill>loro, paloma: /join #debian-es
12:40<paloma>mucho
12:40<fxiny>or a nest.bz2
12:40<padski>where they will be able to swear at you in fluent spanish ;-)
12:40<golan>well, they are talking shit, nothing debian related
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12:41<padski>golan, I had my suspicions :-)
12:41<fxiny>paloma: join #nest.bz2
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12:43<Alam_Debian>how do reset my gnome-terminal settings, I open gconf-editor but I do not think I should be deleting entries off in /apps/gnome-terminal
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12:45<davro>quit
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12:48*fxiny adds : "be one loop ahead" to his google dunno dict
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12:52<padski>http://xkcd.com/424/
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12:53<themill>dpkg: dsa1751 jokes
12:53<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, themill
12:53<themill>dpkg: stupid bot
12:53<dpkg>no, stupid themill
12:53<themill>dpkg: dsa1571 jokes
12:53<dpkg>For some light relief between changing your keys, see http://xkcd.com/221/ http://picpaste.com/glasbergen_-_new_encryption_code.gif, or http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2996/pmeo9hcjp7aw9.jpg, or http://xkcd.com/424/
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12:55<padski>themill, thanks :-)
12:55<themill>:)
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12:56<fxiny>hahahh a rebel bot , nice !
12:57<fxiny>fetora is not vul to rings but to body spray :P
12:57<fxiny>vuln*
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13:01<NinjaMan>when you boot a debian machine what script sets the default route?
13:01<NinjaMan>is it simply specifying a gateway ip address in /etc/networks/interfaces ?
13:02<padski>NinjaMan, for example, yes
13:02<freealan>x/quit
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13:03<NinjaMan>padski: ok so I can set-up 2 interfaces on the same subnet (connected to the same router) and chose which one is the default route?
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13:04<padski>NinjaMan, man interfaces
13:04<hcable>hi
13:05<padski>NinjaMan, and bear in mind that ifupdown uses route, not iproute2
13:05<NinjaMan>padski: why might that be a problem?
13:06<padski>NinjaMan, they handle default routes in the case of mulitple routes differently
13:06<jla>I've been using rsync link-dest snapshot backups via custom scripts in a pull method so the backup server is dealing with one backup at a time. I had been allowing root ssh key with restricted command logins but I'd like to tighten ssh up a little more with AllowGroups and no root login. I also want to keep pulling from the backup server instead of timing client pushes.
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13:07<NinjaMan>padski: ok, there will be only one (gateway) route to the internet - the interfaces serves the dmz network only
13:07<hcable>algum brasileiro
13:07<NinjaMan>padski: the *other* interface serves the dmz network only
13:07<hcable>by
13:07<jla>I have an account on all clients. I could add a key to do the restricted command via sudo. I would like to be more generic, like using user backup. I am not finding any guidelines on using that account in Debian.
13:07<hcable>bye
13:08<padski>NinjaMan, is this a firewall ?
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13:08<NinjaMan>padski: yes it is an iptables vox
13:08<NinjaMan>*box
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13:09<padski>NinjaMan, but the dmz interface is on the same subnet as the internet facing nic ?
13:10<NinjaMan>Padski: yes - unusual I know, but the dmz contains a PS3 - with all it's upnp madness, so I need it to be directly connected to the router
13:11<NinjaMan>padski: in addition I need the ps3 to access the mediaserver running off the firewall box
13:12<NinjaMan>Padski: the point of all of this, is so I can set 2 different TX queue lengths - keep my dmz on 1000 and cut my internet one to 30-100
13:13<padski>NinjaMan, perhaps see also tc in iproute2
13:14<NinjaMan>padski: yes I've put a traffic control script together, but using only one interface (not new enough to support multiple queues) I can't optimise queue length for both environments
13:15<NinjaMan>padski: and it can't be controlled at a packet or connection level
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13:19<padski>NinjaMan, sounds like you know as much and more than I do. /etc/init.d/networking calls ifup(8). ifup reads eni. sounds like you want the dmz nic to take precedence for traffic to the dmz and the rest to go out on the internet nic ? change the metric on that route afterwards ?
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13:20<NinjaMan>padski: yes that is what I want - what is the metric on the route?
13:21<padski>man 8 route
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13:21<padski>although, looking at it, that may not work any more :-(
13:22<padski>anyways, have fun, I gotta go.
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14:16<NinjaMan>sup? bobby
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14:41<PATRI>o
14:41<PATRI>ola
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14:46<zulu>Hi, I need and amd64 javaplugin for my browser
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14:46<zulu>I read java-package and found that only the blackdown 1.4.2 provided such a thing
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14:46<zulu>but I cant find the blackdown jdk, www.blackdown.org is for sale...
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14:47<zulu>How do I install a firefox java-plugin for amd64 arch?
14:48<themill>zulu: does it have to be sun java?
14:55<aureil>Hi, is there anyone who can help with wi-fi roaming ?
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14:55<zulu>well it does have to be a descent plugin running applets :)
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14:56<zulu>ideally sun yes :)
14:56-!-chump_ [~chump@wsip-70-167-195-139.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #debian
14:57<aureil>I'm running a debian lenny with iwlwifi on a Aruba (light APs with a central controler) network
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14:58<Nick1>hi all
14:58<zulu>!java
14:58<dpkg>hmm... java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>.
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14:58<zulu>!java-plugin
14:58<dpkg>rumour has it, java-plugin is either java-gcj-compat-plugin (free) or sun-java5-plugin (from non-free)
14:59<aureil>and the laptop doesn't switch to one AP to an other when the link quality is poor...
14:59<Nick1>can someone help me to configure my FTP server?
14:59<aureil>Nick1, which FTP server .
14:59<aureil>?
14:59<zulu>apt-get install sun-java6-plugin tells: Package sun-java6-plugin is not available, but is referred to by another package.
14:59<zulu>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
14:59<zulu>is only available from another source
14:59<zulu>E: Package sun-java6-plugin has no installation candidate
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15:00<themill>zulu: for amd64 you're in trouble. Sun hasn't released a plugin for amd64. /msg dpkg java amd64
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15:02<kurumin>oi
15:02<NinjaMan>Nick1 - if you are using vsftpd - I can help
15:03<kurumin>pode sim
15:03<kurumin>onde eu estou?
15:03<chump_>hey guys i was wondering how i would use snooper to capture prints coming from a device to a serial printer
15:03<kurumin>Bye!
15:03<kurumin> I am not understand
15:04<kurumin>anything
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15:04<Nick1>proftpd
15:04<zulu>ok themill do you know how to make nspluginwrapper and java6 32 bit to work?
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15:07<chump_>is there a program in debian that is like hyperterminal in windows?
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15:09<Gathond>chump_: minicom might work for you
15:10<chump_>Gathond: yeah i'm trying to figure out how to use that right now, i'm looking for something to capture raw data coming off a device that is normally sent to a dot matrix printer
15:10<chump_>Gathond: but i'd rather send it to a text file
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15:11<kei>salut
15:12<kei>ya quelqu'un?*
15:12<weasel>!fr
15:12<dpkg>i guess fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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15:14<chump_>how can i figure out what com port my usb serial device was assigned to?
15:15<Nick1>proftpd how can i configure
15:16<Nick1>can someone help me?
15:17<chump_>Nick1: what are you looking to do with it?
15:17<weasel>chump_: check the kernel log?
15:17<Nick1>ftp server
15:18<chump_>Nick1: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/228
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15:26<Nick1>i need to remove proftpd
15:26<Nick1>how to
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15:26<jaakko>Nick1: aptitude remove proftpd
15:27<Guest288>Nick1, "apt-get autoremove proftpd" ?!
15:28<Nick1>this will clean everything?
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15:28<jaakko>Nick1: it will leave the settings, you can use "aptitude purge proftpd" to remove them too
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15:29<micegio>whi the shut down comand is vanished?
15:30<jaakko>micegio: ? what version of debian? In etch it works.
15:30<jaakko>micegio: are you root or sudoing?
15:30<micegio>jaakko, gnome desktop 2.14.3
15:31<micegio>jaakko, sudoing
15:32<jaakko>micegio: that is the version of desktop, not the Debian (though it might be possible to figure out from that..).
15:32<jaakko>micegio: what is the message when you try?
15:32<Nick1>thanks
15:33<micegio>jaakko, until a few day ago in the desktop menu there was the shut down comand. Now it disappears. nothing message simply vanished
15:33<Nick1>now i need to install it(proftpd) with to work with mysql someone can help me?
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15:33<micegio>jaakko, I can shut downthe pc with the halt command from the root terminal
15:34<micegio>jaakko, the last version of debian 2.62 it may be?
15:34<jaakko>micegio: did you upgrade your system or install something..?
15:34<jaakko>micegio: debian Etch is 4.0
15:35<jaakko>micegio: called also "stable", there are "testing" and "unstable" too.
15:35<micegio>jaakko, I've install al lot of thing I'm searching to use my pc.. :)
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15:35<micegio>jaakko, testing version, because the stable version don't recognise my sata hard disk
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15:36<micegio>jaakko, I've a lot of problem, like every newbye... a littl estep a day
15:36<jaakko>Nick1: how ftp and mysql are going work together? Why did you remove proftpd if you need it?
15:37<micegio>jaakko, how can I reinstall debian whitout delete my files?
15:37<jaakko>micegio: yes, I know.. :) Don't know what removed your menu :-|
15:37<Nick1>i remove it because i had some troubles with permission
15:37<micegio>jaakko, the question is: how can I reintegrate the menu?
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15:38<Nick1>i decided to clean the system and install again~
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15:38<micegio>jaakko, or if I can edit a batch file with the command to shutdown the pc
15:39<jaakko>Nick1: "aptitude install proftpd"
15:40<jaakko>micegio: I don't use Gnome, don't know it' menu system.
15:41<jaakko>micegio: but you can reinstall gnome as Nick1 reinstalled proftpd
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15:42<jaakko>micegio: no need to reinstall the debian if you haven't messed it with commands like chmod or rm...
15:42<jaakko>micegio: ..as root.
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15:43<micegio>jaakko, I need to type reinstall gnome ?
15:44<jaakko>micegio: I think that reinstalls it, but if you have messed the configuration, you should use that purge thing and then install again.
15:47<jaakko>micegio: swith to virtual terminal before that, alt cntrl f1
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15:52<kei>comment rajouter des depots svp?
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15:53<jaakko>kei: english please
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16:55<Fade_To_Black>hi
16:56<Fade_To_Black>how can I install firefox and not iceweasel?
16:56<witte>Fade_To_Black: why?
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16:56<witte>Fade_To_Black: the difference is only trademark symbols
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16:57<Fade_To_Black>I know, but I'm installing a laptop for my little cousin and he wants firefox cause he's used to that from windows and I said that he could have everything he had before
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16:58<witte>Fade_To_Black: you can just install it from sourcce
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16:58<Fade_To_Black>there's no package? this laptop takes ages to compile with it's 650Mhz celeron and 64 MB ram
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16:59<witte>firefox does not comply to debian standards so there is no official package
16:59<witte>you could tell your cousin that iceweasel is firefox, it just has a different name
17:00<Fade_To_Black>well in the worst case I just change the icon
17:00<witte>or you could change the icon he clicks on
17:00<Fade_To_Black>tnx anyway
17:00<witte>indeed :-)
17:00<Fade_To_Black>have u ever worked with flxbox?
17:01<witte>not me, i have opened it, but did not use it
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17:11<haxi>better ` shutdown -h now` or ` init 0` ? :D
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17:19<knoppix_>test
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17:21<Guest295>suche flashplayer für knoppix
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17:21<abrotman>!knoppix
17:21<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
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17:22<Guest295>suche flashplayer
17:23<witte>!de
17:23<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
17:23<witte>Guest295: but even there you would be off topic as that is also a debian channel...
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17:23<Guest295>danke !!!
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17:35<starkatinvernalia>Hi
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17:36<ali3n0>hi guys... I'm trying to make compiz-fusion run on my sid but I'm puzzled about how to tell gnome to enable it... I can run the "CompizConfig setting manager" but I can't find anything useful to do that
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17:37<ali3n0>packages installed: compiz compiz-core compiz-gnome compiz-gtk compiz-plugins compizconfig-backend compizconfig-settings
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17:40<guillaume_>ali3n0: try compiz-manager --indirect-rendering
17:40<guillaume_>ali3n0: you should add it to sessions
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17:41<ali3n0>guillaume_: I've got no compiz-manager executable installed
17:41<ali3n0>at least is not in the packages above
17:41<amphi>ali3n0: just run the compiz binary
17:42<guillaume_>ali3n0: I'm under sid but I use git repository not debian packages
17:42<ali3n0>amphi: yeah, it's working int that way, but I loose window borders after run
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17:42*amphi builds from git on testing
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17:42<ali3n0>guillaume_: I'll try those than
17:42<amphi>ali3n0: run a decorator, either manually, or from the decorator plugin
17:43<ali3n0>amphi, guillaume_: tnx guys
17:43<amphi>ali3n0: window decorations plugin, that is to say
17:43<guillaume_>ali3n0: look at shame repository on tuxfamily
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17:47<ali3n0>(upgrading with tuxfamily.org repository...)
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17:49<ali3n0>freakin' cool :D
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17:50<darsie>hi! How can I have a camchat with a windows girl, but not with msn?
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18:06<Laeborg`>hi
18:07<pumpkin0>ho
18:07<Laeborg`>i have installed the KBFX button in my kicker, but i can't right click at it, so i can't change the KBFX theme, what can I do?
18:07<Laeborg`>ah nevermind
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18:14<finek>hi, is it normal configuring glibc in 3 hours and still working?
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18:14<pumpkin0>not realy.
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18:20<finek>wrr
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19:17<Andre_Fiuza>hi everyone"
19:18<ircMonkey>hi
19:18<Andre_Fiuza>how i install web cam for skype?
19:18<ircMonkey>do you know where is the data directory of postgresql
19:18<Andre_Fiuza>not
19:19<Andre_Fiuza>do you help me?
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19:20<weasel>ircMonkey: /var/lib/postgresql/?
19:20<weasel>somewhere below that
19:21<Andre_Fiuza>i need go
19:21<Andre_Fiuza>thank's
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19:23<ircMonkey>could it be this? /var/lib/postgresql/8.3/main/global/pg_database
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19:26<debacle>Hi, i'm running Debian Lenny. Now it 's a testing release. What will happen the day that Lenny will become STABLE? will my apt switch to stable ? and basically will it be possible the switch from leny/testing to lenny/stable ?
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19:27<themill>debacle: depends what you have in your sources.list. If you specify "lenny" you stay with lenny, if you specify "testing" you stay with testing.
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19:30<debacle>themill. ok ... so it's possible ! a friend told me that if i had installed testing apt will let me on testing, switching me to sid (when it will be intesting). He also told me that switch from lenny/testing to lenny/stable is not possible. pleeeease confirm me that this is not true !! pleeease
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19:32<debacle>does anyone know when lenny will be "stable" ?
19:32<themill>debacle: sid will never become "testing". Sid is always "unstable". Whoever told you that is making it up as they go along. If you have "lenny" in your sources.list, then you will be running testing for now and then when lenny becomes "stable", you will be still running lenny, and it will be "stable" instead.
19:32<themill>!wwlr
19:32<dpkg>Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/03/msg00001.html
19:33<themill>debacle: you can't change from lenny to etch, though.
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19:36<debacle>themill: THANK YOU MAN !! you make me able to sleep tonight !!! I was just thinking on how to kill me !
19:36<debacle>themill: thanks again !!
19:36<Supaplex>m00
19:36<themill>debacle: steady on.... it's not that bad! Sleep well...
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19:39<ircMonkey>LC_ALL=C psql -l -U ircmonkey; and I still have the messages in french (failure messages)
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19:40<debacle>thnak you all ... i have to go ! see you !
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20:10<cesurasean>You don't have permission to access /shot/mozshot.rb on this server.
20:10<cesurasean>can anyone tell me why I'm getting this with a ruby app?
20:10<cesurasean>it's chmod 755
20:10<cesurasean>this happened when I added .rb files to the cgi handler in apache
20:13<gef>-Exec ?
20:13<cesurasean>-Exec?
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20:14<gef>Options +ExecCGI
20:16<cesurasean>what is that?
20:16<cesurasean>can you please elaborate?
20:16<cesurasean>on what I need to do.
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20:17<cesurasean>first ruby files were showing as source when access via http, so I added .rb to cgi handler and this error appears
20:17<cesurasean>source code
20:18<cesurasean>why would it not have permissions?
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20:26<joao>JUJUBA
20:30<abrotman>!br
20:30<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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20:34<cesurasean>does anyone know of a good ruby channel?
20:34<abrotman>there's a #ruby on freenode
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20:35<cesurasean>thanks
20:35<cesurasean>thats the only ruby you know of?
20:36<snogglethorpe>what's the magic needed to make kernel installation shrink the ramfs image to only those modules necessary fo rthe current machine?
20:36<snogglethorpe>[I think I've asked this before, but have already forgotten ... :-( ]
20:38<joao>JUJUBA team Brasil-São Paulo
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20:39<abrotman>joao: english here
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20:40<joao>JUJUBA no speaking English
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21:43<ikks>Hi, I'm trying to install debian etch on a mobo D945GCNL
21:44<ikks>It finishes the installation
21:44<ikks>but it refuses to boot.
21:44<ikks>it has sata disks.
21:44<ikks>But I haven't found many references on that issue.
21:44<ikks>Any idea?
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21:44<ikks>we just removed the cdrom unit
21:44<ikks>but still no luck
21:45<ikks>A folk here tells me that centos 4.0 is installable there
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21:46<ikks>the nearest thing found is http://www.debianhelp.org/node/12101
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22:07<ikks>solved, instead of using grub, I used lilo
22:08<shadoow>xD
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22:43<kop>I want take a screenshot of a window, and am running kde. So I man -k and find ksnapshot. The man page tells me not much, but to use the kde help center. So I do, but all it seems to do is show me the man page again. What's wrong with my help system? (And how do I take a screenshot of a window?)
22:44<twb>kop: the answer to your last question is: run "import foo.png", then click on the window in question.
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22:44<kop>twb: Thanks. That'll do me.
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22:45<ikks>and respect to the mobo issue, for some reason the main partition wasn't marked as booteable
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22:45<ikks>with grub
22:45<ikks>I used fdisk to turn it booteable, and it booted
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23:34<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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23:42<astronut>does anyone know how to make rxvt-unicode show curses blink
23:43<kop>I have a problem. (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457641) Can someone running kde on etch try running openoffice-calc, cutting a formula, select multiple cells, and try pasting? On my system a dialog box comes up and I can't paste. (But this happens only when I run kde.)
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23:44<gef>astronut, curses blink?
23:44<astronut>gef: attron(A_BLINK);
23:45<gef>astronut, did you just answer your own question, or is that not working?
23:45<astronut>gef: works in xterm not rxvt-unicode
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23:48<Overfiend>Anyone else running etch and noticed a regression in screen's UTF-8 support lately?
23:49<twb>Overfiend: it was mentioned on the mailing list
23:49<Overfiend>s/etch/lenny duh.
23:49<Overfiend>twb: er, which one?
23:49<twb>Oh, not in etch
23:49<twb>In CVS Screen
23:49<Overfiend>right. I meant lenny
23:49<Overfiend>specifically, screen 4.0.3-9
23:50<twb>Somebody pointed out that screen was masking the high 16 (of 32) bits of the codepoints
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23:50<twb>I doubt that stuff would be in sid yet, let alone lenny
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23:50<Overfiend>hrm
23:51<Overfiend>I have 4.0.3-{0.2,0.3,1,3,7} available
23:51<twb>I'd be more inclined to suspect that you have removed the locales package, reconfigured it, or changed your locale in .profile
23:51<Overfiend>guess I'm gonna try a binary search
23:52<Overfiend>nope, nope, and nope
23:52<astronut>does anyone know about the nvidia driver and 2.6.25?
23:52<Overfiend>astronut: Didn't LWN just run a story on that in this week's issue?
23:52<twb>Waaaait, this isn't #screen!
23:52<astronut>Overfiend: don't read it
23:53<twb>astronut: is that an imperative?
23:53<RIVE>astronut, the binary Nvidia driver is the one that's don't let me use 2.24 kernel in Lenny.
23:53<Overfiend>twb: er, yeah, this is #debian
23:54<Overfiend>twb: should I head over to #screen, or do my binary serch first?
23:54<Overfiend>search
23:54<twb>Overfiend: they won't know
23:54<Overfiend>ok
23:54<astronut>twb: insert I at the front
23:54<Overfiend>twb, nice to meet you, Trent W\. Buck ;-)
23:54*Overfiend has seen your name in some bug reports
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23:54*twb looks shifty
23:54<kop>Anybody running etch/kde/openoffice want to help out with a bug report for a second?
23:55<twb>And the \. is due to the BTS being broken
23:55<Overfiend>twb: the escaped full stop in your initial is not exactly inconspicuous
23:55<Overfiend>bwa ha ha ha
23:55<Overfiend>I thought you were being eccentric. Naw, you're just hosed by the BTS
23:55<twb>I'm taking it back from GWB
23:55<Overfiend>heh
23:55<Overfiend>yeah, we all know he doesn't know to escape when progress is at a full stop ;-)
23:56<twb>No, I mean he is "dubya"
23:56<Overfiend>I know. But I couldn't resist the joke
23:56<Overfiend>okay, killing off screen (and thus IRC) to play package version shuffleboard
23:57<twb>You can leave one session open
23:57<twb>Just create a second session for testing
23:57<Overfiend>hmmm, yeah, all right
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23:57<Overfiend>detaching, anyway
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23:59<Overfiend>4.0.3-1 works fine.
23:59<Overfiend>re-detaching
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