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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-05-23

---Logopened Fri May 23 00:00:03 2008
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00:01<Overfiend>damnit, now I can repro it
00:01<Overfiend>er
00:01<Overfiend>can't
00:01<Overfiend>even -9 works fine
00:01<Overfiend>except this current session is still hosed
00:01<twb>What are the symptoms, specifically?
00:02<Overfiend>all non-ASCII characters look like crap and confuse the hell out of xterm
00:02<Overfiend>Cyrillic spam in particular hoses things up badly
00:02<Overfiend>when viewing high-bit Latin-1 characters, it looks like the usual mis-representation of UTF-8
00:03<Overfiend>locale settings are the same everywhere
00:04<Overfiend> set listchars=tab:»­,trail:·,extends:â,precedes:â101mÃÉ LATIN SMALL LETTER SCHWA
00:04<Overfiend>that's extra-hosed. A whole newline got eaten there
00:04<Overfiend>digraphs OU 390 " Æ LATIN CAPITAL LETTER OPEN O
00:05<Overfiend>what's the screen colon command to ask it what encoding it THINKS it's using?
00:05<Overfiend>bah,I can't even view the screen manpage inside this screen session because of the high-bit hyphens
00:05<Overfiend>gar
00:06<twb>LC_ALL=C man
00:06<Overfiend>yeah, I know, it's just annoying
00:08<Overfiend>okay, "utf8" is off for some of my windows
00:08<Overfiend>that's easy enough...question is, why was it?
00:08<Overfiend>ah, wait
00:08<Overfiend>damnit
00:09*Overfiend puts his head in his hands
00:09<Overfiend>I started this screen session at the console b/c the X server was hosed at the time (#348082)
00:09*Overfiend howls with frustration
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00:12*Overfiend wishes he could just type ":all utf8 on"
00:12<Overfiend>instead of doing this by hand for all my windows
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00:16<twb>I'm glad I'm not running rv250 at the moment, then... i9x0 Eee PC ftw.
00:16<twb>OTOH the intel CPU on it is sucky compared to a via or geode...
00:18<Overfiend>I'm just suffering for having the temerity to run unusual hardware
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00:19<twb>rv250 isn't unusual
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00:19<Overfiend>rv250s with no PC BIOS, and with an ADC connector on them, are
00:20<twb>You mean on an Apple G3?
00:20<Overfiend>G4
00:22<twb>Ugh, this maildir archive is crashing xdu
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00:27<Sequal>i made it!
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00:36<cow_kesepian>helo all bastard
00:37<cow_kesepian>anyone know about gtk+
00:37<cow_kesepian>please answer
00:37<cow_kesepian>help
00:37<cow_kesepian>help
00:38<cow_kesepian>help
00:38<cow_kesepian>help
00:38<cow_kesepian>help
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02:12<rrm>hello room
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02:28<noah>is there a quanta users channel?
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02:30<twb>noah: you mean sunshine?
02:30<noah>Quanta Plus 3.5
02:31<noah>http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/
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02:39<chihchun>could any one give me a tip on how to stop shipping Libtool .la file in a debian package based on cdbs ?
02:40<chihchun>I suppose it's not about cdbs? but the automake rules?
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02:43<jm_>chihchun: .la should be only shipped with -dev packages
02:43<twb>chihchun: that might be a question for #debian-mentors or #debian-devel
02:44<chihchun>twb: thanks
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02:44<chihchun>jm_: yes, but it's a evolution plug. the user don't need the la file.
02:44<jm_>chihchun: yes, so don't include it in the package, that's what I said
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02:45<chihchun>jm_: I am trying to do so. :-/
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02:46<noah>When I preview my website on Quanta Plus 3.5 and click on a javascript link, I get this error
02:46<noah>"Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:
02:46<noah> klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'javascript'. "
02:47<noah>what does this mean/how can i fix it
02:47<twb>chihchun: fix your .install file, then
02:47<jm_>chihchun: create debian/foo.install file?
02:48<jm_>or fix it like twb said
02:49<chihchun>yes, that's one solution. I am trying to solve it in automake rules, because the tarball still install .la file if the user type 'make install'
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02:49*chihchun trying to learn the other similar software
02:51<jm_>that's a task for upstream author(s)
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02:51<twb>chihchun: it installs it in debian/tmp
02:51<chihchun>unfortunately, I am the the upstream author :-/
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02:52<jm_>!automake
02:52<dpkg>hmm... automake is a tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles. for general and extended usage examples browse to the free Autobook at http://sources.redhat.com/autobook/
02:52<jm_>check the autobook
02:53<chihchun>yeap, reading the autobook agian.
02:54*chihchun always spent more time on autotools/automake then writing the real program :p
02:54<jm_>that's why I don't use it
02:55<chihchun>jm_: I would love to change, if there is an alternative solution. (the problem is the other library keep using libtools and auto*)
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03:07<morgan`>hello
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03:07<variable>hi
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03:08<variable>how can I mount ntfs on debian?
03:09<variable>I've tryed mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/mydisk
03:09<variable>but I've got an message that /mnt/mydisk does not exist
03:09<variable>what is the problem?
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03:11<jm_>variable: it already told you what the problem is
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03:11<kurumin>10
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03:13<variable>well yes ;]] but it is strange that i does not create that point if it is even not there ;/
03:14<jm_>did you read mount man page at all?
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03:17<kashogi>need help cannot see usb flash drive on thin client
03:17<kashogi>with rdp
03:17<variable>ech sorry for this kind of questions it's two days I haven't sleep ;/
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03:27<jenipapo>hi all
03:27<variable>hi ;]
03:28<jenipapo>a question on filesystems: is it possible to "chain" to directories in order to get only one?
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03:28<k-man>how can i ftp to a tls ftp server from the command line?
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03:29<k-man>and what port does tls ftp usually run on?
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03:29<jm_>jenipapo: what?
03:29<jm_>k-man: use lftp
03:29<twb>k-man: ask /etc/services
03:29<k-man>thanks
03:29<twb>(Regarding the port number)
03:30<k-man>twb, my services doesnt mention ftp-tls
03:30<twb>k-man: ftps ftps-data
03:31<k-man>twb, ah, thanks
03:31<k-man>twb, no, those are ssl i think
03:31<jenipapo>I work on an embedded linux sqystem where /etc is ro. My question is how to have an other directory (i.e. /usr/etc) that i could see as it is in /etc
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03:31<twb>k-man: sorry, I don't understand the difference between TLS and SSL
03:31<twb>jenipapo: can't be done.
03:31<k-man>ok nm
03:32<jenipapo>:(
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03:32<twb>jenipapo: your two options are old-style symlinks, as seen in OpenWRT WR and Knoppix 3.x, or unionfs/aufs
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03:32<jm_>jenipapo: bind mout or use unisonfs
03:32<jm_>bind mount
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03:35<jenipapo>thank you jm_ and twb
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03:36<enkrypt>did startx just break in debian sid?
03:36<jm_>enkrypt: it might have for some people
03:37<enkrypt>this is what I get when I run startx: Fatal server error: Unrecognized option: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
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03:37<enkrypt>yesterday everything was still peachy, today it bums out
03:37<jm_>startx is a shell script, debug it
03:37<jm_>sh -x `which startx`
03:37<enkrypt>jm_: where can I get more info on this, possibly a fix, or atleast a bug number?
03:37<jenipapo>i get clear information on unionfs but not really on mount bind
03:38<enkrypt>jm_: well yeah, somewhere on the last command, it is passed the xserverrc script, and apparently that is a bad option, but it always used to be like that
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03:38<jm_>enkrypt: I was referring to new xorg.conf, not the script itself
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03:39<jm_>enkrypt: then compare it with your xinit man page
03:39<enkrypt>my "xinit" packages was updated yesterday, i'm quite sure that caused it
03:39<jm_>yes read the changelog
03:40<enkrypt>nothing abnormal in changelog.Debian, just new upstream release. will check BTS
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03:40<enkrypt>got a confirmed upstream bug, sigh
03:40<jm_>nothing in BTS
03:41<jm_>unless it's in a package of its own now?
03:41<enkrypt>yes, package called xinit
03:41<jm_>right
03:41<enkrypt>I was first looking for the wrong package also :p
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03:41<enkrypt>wasn't this stuff in xbase-clients before?
03:41<jm_>I should really upgrade this box to lenny, but it's so annoying to shutdown
03:41<jm_>enkrypt: yes in Etch for example
03:41<enkrypt>ah, go figure
03:42<enkrypt>well the bug has gone upstream, I'll just downgrade for now
03:42<enkrypt>thx for the assistance
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03:43<Requiem>anybody have experience with sound hardware in linux?
03:44<variable>well on my system vlc can not open dsp ;/
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03:44<Requiem>what hardware, I'll avoid that one :P
03:45<variable>;]
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03:45<jm_>vlc should be able to use ALSA
03:45<variable>I have no idea ;/ this pc so old that i think even older then my
03:45<variable>*me
03:46<sheldonh>ftp servers usually won't let you log in unless your shell is in /etc/shells. i've always linked nologin to ftpnologin and added ftpnologin to /etc/shells. is there a "debian way" of doing this?
03:46<variable>hmm I just apdated vlc and it works but no sound
03:47<Requiem>does other software get sound?
03:47<jm_>sheldonh: yes, man add-shell :P
03:47<sheldonh>jm_: ass :)
03:47<variable>yes
03:48<sheldonh>jm_: so there's no ftp-base package that provides such a shell or somesuch?
03:48<variable>hmm movie player does sound but just vlc doesn't
03:48*twb hugs vsftpd
03:49<jm_>sheldonh: ahh that's what you're after (not changing the file) -- login package provides nologin, there's also scponly
03:49<sheldonh>k. i'll just do my usually of creating /usr/local/bin/ftpnologin and adding that to shells. adding nologin to shells... is a bad idea :)
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03:49<sheldonh>scponly... hmmm, must look
03:49<jm_>why?
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03:51<twb>jm_: presumably because then accounts that have a password (i.e. not system accounts), but have their shell set to nologin, can, in fact, log in... whereupon nologin exits, or something, I guess...
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03:52<sheldonh>twb: vsftpd is the shit. http://starjuice.net/2008/01/say-no-to-proftpd.html :)
03:52<nevyn>wuftpd ftw
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03:52<nevyn>;) mine not yours.
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03:53<twb>nevyn: that would be the one that gets CVEs all the time?
03:53<sheldonh>jm_: do you know, i honestly can't think why. i remember having a great reason once :)
03:53<twb>nevyn: the mod-php of FTPds?
03:53<sheldonh>jm_: so let's call it superstition :)
03:53<jm_>sheldonh: hehe
03:53<nevyn>shhhhh... my win.. not the installers win.
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03:54<twb>cracka win, dawg
03:55<raevol>anyone have experience with ntfs-3g? know why my usb drive is being detected as fat16?
03:57<twb>raevol: because it's FAT16?
03:57<raevol>it's not though, it's ntfs, i use it on windows
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03:58<nevyn>fat16 works on windows
03:58<twb>raevol: it may surprise you to know that Windows supports FAT filesystems.
03:59<raevol>ok how about, i formatted the drive as ntfs and use it regularly?
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03:59<twb>USB keys are often FAT formatted because NTFS is bloat for such small media.
03:59<raevol>it's a 400 gig hard drive
03:59<twb>raevol: are you sure you formatted it as NTFS? What does Windows say when you look at the drive's "properties" or whatever?
03:59<raevol>says ntfs, for sure
04:00<twb>OK, so you just do "mount /dev/yow /mnt -t ntfs-3g"
04:00<raevol>fdisk -l is showing it as fat16, my other ntfs partitions (IDE not USB) are showing correctly though
04:00<twb>raevol: fdisk only examines the partition table, not the filesystems
04:01<variable>I found the problem with vlc, there wasn't set to use alsa, (the sound was setup to max, so I thought that my brain will jump out after MAX sound of "Linkin Park - Numb" ) ;]
04:01<raevol>oh hmm with that mount command it says "unknown filesystem type: ntfs-3g"
04:01<raevol>i can mount it as root with the ntfs-3g command
04:01<raevol>ie: ntfs-3g /dev/sad1 /media/wee
04:01<raevol>sda1*
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04:02<raevol>but i kind of want it to work plug & play
04:03<variable>;]]
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04:05<twb>raevol: so you were not asking the right question
04:05<twb>raevol: if you want automounting, install gnome-mount or autofs or something
04:06<variable>use gnome nad all problems will be solved
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04:06<variable>*and
04:06<twb>variable: FSVO problems
04:07<variable>twb, FSVO ?
04:08<raevol>twb: i have gnome mount, let me do some googling
04:08<twb>!FSVO
04:08<dpkg>hmm... fsvo is For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of
04:09<twb>raevol: I think the call order goes hal -> dbus -> gnome-mount -> wankery -> a nautilus popup or somethin
04:09<twb>But last time I looked they were still using pmount, so I'm out of date
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04:13<raevol>come on google...
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04:17<raevol>so frustrating :[ google is useless
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04:18<twb>Maybe you're doing it wrong.
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04:19<raevol>i guess, it seems like im the only one with this particular problem, or everyone else happens across it a different way
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04:21<twb>raevol: we don't do Windows.
04:21<raevol>yea, and i wouldn't if i weren't a gamer :[
04:22<jm_>try using usbmount or afuse
04:24<raevol>let me try restarting
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04:26<variable>does enybody programs on Delphi in linux?
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04:29<twb>variable: only the terminally insane
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04:30<twb>Borland's Linux Delphi stuff is morbidly out of date -- like GNOME1 style out of date
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04:30<variable>but still you can do some good stuff
04:31<twb>I don't believe you.
04:31<variable>believe it ;]
04:31<twb>Lemme guess, Delphi is the only language you know, and some high-school teacher showed it to you
04:32<twb>They learnt it because it was cheap to buy licenses for compared to Visual C++, which what was actually popular back in 1994, the last time your school updated its IT curriculum
04:33<variable>well I know more then one language ;]
04:33<twb>Oh, PHP too? >scorn<
04:33<variable>;]
04:33<variable>more
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04:34<SlayerXP>helix: yo
04:34<twb>dpkg -l lazarus
04:34<dpkg>ii lazarus 3.8-1 twb's private porn collection
04:34<raevol>tried afuse, still not working :(
04:34<twb>That's a bizarre response.
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04:35<twb>lazarus' description is "Rapid Application Development (RAD) tool for Free Pascal [...] Lazarus is the part of the missing puzzle that will allow you to develop Delphi-like programs in all of the above platforms."
04:36<padski>"Delphi-like programs"
04:36<twb>padski: because Delphi itself is non-Free
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04:38<padski>twb, and is this part of a clone, or just inspired by ?
04:38<twb>padski: NFI
04:38<padski>heh
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04:40<variable>twb, so you are c++/c programmer?
04:40<twb>Good gods, no.
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04:40<variable>what is wrong with that?
04:41<twb>C++ is an awful load of bad ideas and hype on top of an admirably clean and simple, if featureless, OS extension language.
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04:43<padski>it was a good name though :-)
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04:43<twb>padski: hardly. By C semantics, C++ is equivalent to C until after it has been evaluated.
04:43<twb>padski: a better name would be ++C.
04:43<variable>;]
04:44<twb>Also, C++ is not well defined if used multiple times in the same sentence
04:44<variable>for me better c++ then VB
04:44<padski>so there won't be any side-effects to me choosing C++ over C then ? ;-)
04:44<twb>variable: well obviously.
04:44<twb>variable: BASIC is even less noteworthy than C++
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04:45<twb>padski: bloat, and very very slow compiles
04:45<twb>padski: it will also be much harder for sane languages to access your libraries, due to the unspecified name munging.
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04:47<padski>"side-effect", geddit :-)
04:47<variable>kate is not bad
04:47<variable>i'm using kate when i'm programming in java
04:49<padski>I hope the project is more interesting than the tools :-)
04:49<variable>curtenly
04:50<twb>variable: kate isn't bad for a GUI text editor
04:50<variable>yes it is
04:51<twb>variable: compared to something like SLIME or netbeans, which can talk to the runtime, it's laughable
04:51<variable>:D not on my pc :D
04:52<variable>8mb integrated video ;]
04:52<variable>who has better pc then me? ;]
04:53<twb>variable: how is your GPU's RAM capacity relevant to *anything*?
04:53<twb>Nelson Mandela.
04:55<variable>but this is not so bad
04:55<variable>this has ~12mhz cpu
04:56<variable>plus 1g of ram
04:56<variable>so some times he knows what he is doing
04:57<twb>12MHz and 1G of RAM? That seems kinda contrary.
04:58<variable>but not for me
04:58<variable>I like when it hassome power in his pans
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04:59<twb>variable: plonk. You aren't making any sense.
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05:00<variable>I gues, because first of all my english is not first language ;/
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05:08<swami>what is the channel name for java developers?
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05:09<variable>java
05:09<sheldonh>#killme-killmenow
05:09<variable>;]
05:10<swami>nup
05:10<sheldonh>swami: try ##java on freenode
05:10<swami>ohh on freenode
05:10<swami>oky
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05:11<Nazcafan>hi
05:12<Nazcafan>how do I get the install status of a package from the command line ?
05:12<Nazcafan>I can not find the info via apt-cache show
05:12<sheldonh>apt-cache policy pkgname
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05:18<Fenrir>how do i upgrade my kernel ?
05:19<padski>Fenrir, more detail ?
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05:20<padski>Fenrir, is apt-get upgrade or aptitude upgrade what you want ?
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05:20<Fenrir>padski, so i could fairly safe use ntfs-3g
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05:20<padski>Fenrir, you are on etch ?
05:21<Fenrir>y
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05:21<padski>Fenrir, I would think etchnhalf or backports, or perhaps kmuto
05:21<Fenrir>hmm ?
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05:22<padski>!etchnhalf
05:22<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/
05:23<Fenrir>= i need to reinstall sys or just install the stuff from disc ?
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05:23<Fenrir>!kmuto
05:23<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
05:24<padski>Fenrir, no necessary to reinstall, you can add it to your sources.list. go and read the wiki page
05:24<padski>Fenrir, but seems to be more for people who really need the latest drivers
05:25<padski>Fenrir, kmuto that is (if you need the drivers)
05:25<Fenrir>padski, i got ntfs3g installed
05:26<Fenrir>but drivers ok also
05:29<Fenrir>padski, ok added to source list and now doing aptitude update and upgrade
05:29<hypnotic>hi there, I have a problem with printing pdfs in debian lenny with kde (this problem was also present in 2 kubuntu versions). When printing a webpage or a document, all the characters are straggly, characters are incorrectly positioned which makes the entire document sloppy
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05:30<hypnotic>exporting documents in openoffice works correctly
05:30*ali3n0 productivity is below zero after installing compiz-fusion on Etch and playin' with rotational stuff :-D
05:33<twb>hypnotic: I believe that's done when the PDF is created
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05:33<hypnotic>twb: you mean in the cups driver?
05:33<twb>hypnotic: ISTR seeing it in the occasional MS Word-produced PDF, so I suspect it's caused by missing fonts in the PDF
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05:34<hypnotic>twb: I tried to install a different printer driver but gave the same problem
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05:34<hypnotic>twb: aha so have to change some properties of the driver
05:34<twb>Shrug
05:34<themill>hypnotic: if you use the "standard" pdf fonts, is it still a problem?
05:35<themill>hypnotic: and does the pdf print ok or is it just display on screen that's the problem?
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05:35<hypnotic>themill: physically printing the pdf gives the same problem
05:36<themill>hypnotic: is this using the KDE print system's print to pdf or the CUPS pdf virtual printer?
05:36<hypnotic>themill: I think I use both
05:37<themill>hypnotic: and it's the same problem with both? :(
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05:38<hypnotic>themill: yes, I am the control center now at printers, I have PDF and Print to File (PDF) but both seem to be a part of cups
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05:39<Fenrir>padski
05:39<hypnotic>embed all fonts is enabled
05:39<Fenrir>that seems to be same kernel version i already got
05:39<padski>Fenrir, uname -r
05:40<padski>Fenrir, did it install a linux-image package ?
05:40<Fenrir>padski, yes
05:40<Fenrir>2.6.18-6-686
05:41<padski>Fenrir, that is the current etch kernel I think
05:41<Fenrir>oh
05:41<hypnotic>themill: PDF is a local printer; print to file (pdf) is a special pseudo printer
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05:41<Fenrir>padski, so i cant use ntfs-3g with this ?
05:41<Fenrir>otherwise i would like to use unstable.. but i dont know how do i get the desktop envir to it :S
05:42<padski>Fenrir, I am not sure. I thought some of the relevant FUSE stuff went in later.
05:43<Fenrir>or should i just install debian unstable ?
05:43<Fenrir>and try to add desktop
05:44<Fenrir>from CD/DVD then :F
05:45<padski>Fenrir, seems like the package is linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686
05:46<padski>Fenrir, I am unclear as to the security status of that kernel.
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05:52<Fenrir>!lenny
05:52<dpkg>[lenny] the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>.
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05:54<Fenrir>can i dl a full img of lenny somewhere ?
05:54<Fenrir>or netinstall stuff
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05:54<xobdedi>hi all
05:55<xobdedi>java6 on etch amd64 : backport backage broken, right?
05:56<hypnotic>anybody an idea how to solve the pdf printing?
05:57<Fenrir>lol found away
05:57<Fenrir>a way even
05:58<jaakko>hypnotic: try windows XD
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05:59<Fenrir>padski, updating to lenny
05:59<Fenrir>=)
05:59<padski>Fenrir, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
06:00<Fenrir>padski, easier way = friend is using lenny
06:00<padski>Fenrir, or ask dpkg about etch->lenny
06:00<Fenrir>he's giebing his sources list
06:00<Fenrir>:D
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06:00<padski>Fenrir, simply s/etch/lenny/
06:00<DTE>hi all
06:01<hypnotic>jaakko: I do :s, I print my pdfs on virtual xp in lenny :s
06:01<hypnotic>jaakko: very annoying
06:01<sheldonh>in etch, nginx doesn't provide httpd. in sid, it does. can i tell apt that nginx provides httpd without backporting the package?
06:01<Fenrir>padski http://pastebin.com/m22c52de1
06:01<Fenrir>=)
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06:06<padski>Fenrir, :-)
06:06<sheldonh>asked in simpler terms, can i manipulate apt's notion of Provides without manipulating packages?
06:07<Fenrir>padski, now got my mates source list and updating && upgrading
06:07<Fenrir>he's using lenny
06:08<padski>sheldonh, you could do one of those dummy packages, what's it called ?
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06:09<sheldonh>padski: dunno, but it sounds interesting :)
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06:10<padski>what is the name of the tool that helps to make dummy packages ?
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06:11<padski>sheldonh, equivs
06:12<padski>sheldonh, or, better, you could build a version of the package yourself with just that change
06:12<padski>sheldonh, and an appropriate version number
06:12<padski>sheldonh, or you could help test the one in sid :-)
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06:34<xpain>hiii
06:34<Anton1234>HI. I nedd help with iptables. I want to monitor network traffic (to detect malwares on a Windows computer) and I want to use a Linux box with Wireshark between that computer and the modem. So I need to configure pass-all rules (tcp, udp, icmp, etc.) that would simply forward all (and really all) the traffic form eth1 (connected to win.box) to eth0 (connected to the modem) and vice versa. Could anybody tell me how to do it? Thanks.
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06:35<Anton1234>I need only the iptables command. Everything else is already done.
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06:35<jm_>you don't need iptables to for that, and the answer is "no"
06:35<xpain>i instelled compiz fusion work great but some times when i start players with out x11 it laptop freeze
06:35<Anton1234>What do tou mean I don't need iptables?
06:35<jm_>xpain: most likely a kernel panic - do keyboard leds blink?
06:36<xpain>yes
06:36<jm_>I mean what I said - you don't need iptables to do simple forwarding
06:36<jm_>blinking leds indicate kernel panic
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06:36<xpain>u mean that i have to reinstall it
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06:37<jm_>no, it's usually a bug in the kernel
06:37<xpain>how i fix it
06:37<jm_>first you'd need to find where it panics then look if it's a known problem with a fix
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06:37<xpain>how to do this
06:38<xpain>compile kenral
06:39<jm_>i recommend netconsole or serial console to capture it
06:39<jm_>maybe even remote syslogd will do
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06:40<xpain>thx
06:41<x03>hi
06:41<xpain>hiiiiii
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06:42<guille>hello!
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06:52<pengol>hi there ... what does this mean in a shell script base=${1##*/}
06:54<jm_>pengol: did you read man bash?
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07:01<pengol>jm_: it's too long it can take serveral days
07:01<jm_>pengol: read ${parameter##word}, as a hint: man basename
07:01<jm_>read about that is
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07:03<pengol>jm_: sorry i didn't search for ##
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07:41<steph33560>Hi all
07:41<steph33560>Euhh ... salut tlm !
07:41<steph33560>euh ... mauvais forum
07:41<jm_>!fr
07:41<dpkg>i heard fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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07:48<RATM>hello can some1 help me . I am using Debian and it can`t find my sound card
07:49<padski>RATM, lspci
07:49<RATM>yeah i use it
07:49<RATM>can`t find sound card
07:51<avu>RATM, it lspci doesn't list your soundcard, you either don't have one or it's connected via another bus
07:51<avu>RATM, USB perhaps?
07:51<RATM>my previus OS ubuntu find it well
07:51<RATM>but debian cant i dont know what to do
07:52<padski>!sound
07:52<dpkg>it has been said that sound is ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts> and <devdsp>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard
07:52<avu>!which driver
07:52<dpkg>i heard driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ .
07:52<freak_>does 'alsaconf' find anything? (its what i use)
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07:52<RATM>alsa does not find anything
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07:52<padski>RATM, are you sure you have audio hardware ?
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07:53<avu>RATM, use the URL from the 'which driver' factoid
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07:53<avu>RATM, (if your soundcard is connected to the system using the PCI bus)
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07:54<RATM>after this
07:54<RATM>it say i have audio card
07:54<avu>after what? and what is 'it'?
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07:54<RATM>!which driver
07:54<dpkg>methinks driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ .
07:55<RATM>after this
07:55<avu>well, then load the driver the site suggests
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07:56<RATM>thanks a lot i will try this driver
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08:00<members>How can I allow a user account to mount digital storage devices such as handheald voice and video recorders?
08:01<members>I have successfully mounted a USB dongle. When I plugged in a simple handheld video recorder, Debian does not mount it to the desktop.
08:01<jm_>look at ownership of the device files
08:02<members>where would that be located jm_?
08:02<jm_>members: well in /dev
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08:03<members>there is only a thing called 'lp0' in /dev/usb/
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08:04<members>This device is, necessarily, formatted to Fat16. Would that cause a problem?
08:05<pgimeno>I have created a custom package with version 0.92.0-6.1~pgf1 but dselect insists in "upgrading" it to 0.92.0-6.1, what version should I give to the package for this not to happen?
08:05<nick01>anybody else has problems with text not showing in flash things in firefox ? (on sid here)
08:06<members>The embedded OS only recognises FAT16 and I had to re-format it when I manually deleted the files from a Linux PC because the embedded OS didn't recognise NTFS.
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08:07<jm_>members: naah
08:07<jm_>pgimeno: dpkg --compare-versions to the rescue
08:07<jm_>pgimeno: or simply put it on hold
08:08<members>nick01, I used the Firefox 'Install Plugin' dialogue and it installed flash sucsfully.
08:08<pgimeno>jm_: thanks
08:09<nick01>members, its installed here too just text in flash not working, trying something now
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08:09<members>The only problem I have with flash, other than it being a global security threat, is that it maxes out our processor.
08:09<nick01>members, 9.0.48 uses the cpu much less than later versions
08:10<members>Flash support in Linux is improving but still not perfect, in my basic understanding (which turns out to be a good thing security wise.)
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08:11<pgimeno>jm_: using dpkg --compare-versions I have determined that I just need to take out the ~. Thanks.
08:11<nick01>members, fixed my problem :)
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08:12<members>nick01, how can I check my flash version? Synaptic doesn't have the plugin listed.
08:13<jm_>members: about:plugins
08:13<members>here's an article related to the adobe vounerabilities http://www.techzilo.com/mac-vista-linux-hacking-mac-hacked-first/
08:13<nick01>members, if u installed it in the firefox dialog of course not- its probably a later version and u'd have to remove it from your home dir before installing 9.0,48
08:13<jm_>.48 is very old
08:14<members>ah,, so I would have to revert to an older version.. heh
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08:14<members>OK, as long as youtube works and archive.org's players
08:14<nick01>jm_, yeah but for older processors works much better
08:14<nick01>especially in full screen
08:15<jm_>not to worry, silverlight to the rescue
08:15<members>ut oh
08:16<members>was that sarcasm or do you think silverlight will be secure, stable and multi-platform?
08:16<jm_>what do you think? :)
08:16<members>M$ wants to get it's foot inside users linux boxes me thinks
08:17<jm_>yeah, everywhere
08:17<members>olpc
08:17<pgimeno>which reminds me, I have to uninstall Mono
08:18<pgimeno>maybe it should be deleted from Debian
08:18<members>Which is worse, Mono or TB?
08:18<members>j/k
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08:19<members>Shockwave Flash 9.0 r124 how do I put the old one on here?
08:19<pgimeno>mmm... Moonlight?
08:19<pgimeno>what is TB?
08:19<members>Tuburculosis
08:19<jm_>members: download it, put it ~/.foo/.../plugins
08:19<pgimeno>oh :)
08:20<nick01>members, delete it from your home dir then download the deb and install it from debian multimedia
08:20<nick01>members, or that
08:20<members>OK, I'll try and track down the old version.
08:21<nick01>members, http://debian-multimedia.org/
08:21<members>the debian multimedia version will work well?
08:21<members>oh, never been to that site! :)
08:21<nick01>members, works here except that font problem (in all versions not just that one) which I fixed with those corefonts
08:21<members>maybe this can put an end to some of our ALSA/MIDI woes
08:22<members>that site I mean.
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08:31<finek>is it easy way to install glibc or must i compile it from sources?
08:32-!-mode/#debian [+l 378] by debhelper
08:33<padski>finek, surely you already have libc ?
08:33<finek>idont know
08:34<finek>i begginer
08:34<p_quarles>finek, it's the basis for almost everything, so yes, you already have it
08:35<finek>hmm
08:35<finek>but maybe it si imposiible to install glibc on etch
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08:35<p_quarles>finek, it already has it, end of story
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08:37<finek>but kadu doesnt work
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08:38<finek>kadu: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by kadu)
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08:39<p_quarles>finek, that's a specific version of glibc which kadu depends on, so a completely different story -- Etch's libc may be too old
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08:45<rATM>some1 can take look here please http://pastebin.cnc.bg/pastebin.php?show=208
08:45<rATM>what`s the problem ?
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08:45<jm_>rATM: it told you what is wrong
08:45<jm_>!tell rATM about audio
08:46<rATM>i install it and again doesnt work
08:46<jm_>install what?
08:46<rATM>i install snd-hda-intel
08:47<jm_>you need to add your user to group audio - read what dpkg told you
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08:48<padski>finek, so where did you get the kadu prog ?
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08:49<finek>padski: kadu.net
08:49<finek>www.kadu.net
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08:50<finek>padski: it is polish messenger
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08:50<padski>finek, http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/k/kadu/kadu_0.5.0-4~bpo40+1.dsc any good to you ?
08:51<jm_>what does it do? automatically translate hi into czesc?
08:51<padski>finek, more generally, see http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kadu&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
08:51<finek>padski: but it about version 0.5 and the newest is 0.6
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08:52<padski>finek, looks like 0.6 is in sid and lenny
08:52<padski>!simple sid backport
08:52<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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08:52<finek>wrr
08:53<padski>wrr ?
08:53<finek>padski: sid or lenny is easier?
08:53<nick01>finek, no, easier it would be to install 0.5, if u want 0.6 u do that :)
08:53<padski>finek, perhaps, for some values of "easier"
08:53<members>All I can find at Debian Multimedia is the 9 0124 version of Flash: http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/f/flash-player/flash-player.php
08:54<nick01>members, link to 48 is right on the main page
08:54<paco>Somenone know how to use esb in java??
08:54<paco>usb
08:54<members>ok, IO R dum
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08:55<finek>can i install sth for lenny on etch without errors
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08:56<nick01>finek, if u want lenny stuff so much why dont u install lenny ?
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08:57<finek>why not
08:57<members>paco http://jusb.sourceforge.net/
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08:58<members>Is lenny from the future?
08:59<themill>finek: It's unlikely to work. You can't just stuff things from lenny into etch and expect them to work.
08:59<members>awesome! only 33% CPU usage with the older versiuon of flash!
08:59<members>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlZrzHGWcdA
08:59<members>spam sorry :)
09:00<finek>ok, so i must download and burn new cd or is it other way like in ubuntu?
09:00<nick01>members, there are official images of lenny available too
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09:00<dondelelcaro>"official"
09:01<nick01>finek, either u reinstall with lenny cd/dvds or upgrade http://www.go2linux.org/upgrading-debian
09:01<members>I installed via goodbye-microsoft.com/ for what it's worth.. not that that would help here ;-)
09:01<finek>upgradnig is better...xD
09:02<nick01>finek, I prefer reinstalling but upgrading may be more convenient :)
09:02<dondelelcaro>why in the world would you reinstall?
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09:03<nick01>dondelelcaro, maybe I'm left with all stuff/config files around whatever
09:03<dondelelcaro>there's pretty much no point; we do test upgrades... {and if there's a problem in stable->testing, we want to know about it so it can be fixed)
09:03<nick01>old*
09:03<finek>cuz etch is too stable;p
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09:04<dondelelcaro>nick01: almost all of that is tracked; it's no big deal to keep upgrading.
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09:04<members>Is there a package that I can install which might help Debian recognise my friend Chad's USB video camera and John's handheald voice recorder?
09:05<nick01>members, I'm not much into that but I think it was ghpoto2 or something like that
09:06<padski>indeed, the upgrade path in debian is a major feature.
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09:06<jm_>members: you'd need a driver for usb cam first, gspca might help
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09:10<members>the thing about this camera is that it's elegantly simplistic plug and play in windows and ubuntu... with a flip out usb 'arm' and it has beveled edges.
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09:11<jm_>mine is also plug&play once I load gspca driver :P
09:11<benjamin>hi, does anyone knows why my aliases defined in ~/.bashrc don't work in my shell scripts?
09:11<members>haha I'm looking in synaptic :)
09:11<jm_>benjamin: no
09:11<jm_>!tell benjamin -about bashrc
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09:14<themill>benjamin: You probably need to invoke the shell as #!/bin/bash not #!/bin/sh.
09:16<finek>http://rafb.net/p/hiFWYb17.html
09:16<finek>is it looks good?
09:16<members>not a human readable URL
09:16<members>;-)
09:16<finek>btw http://channels.debian.net/paste doesnt works
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09:17<members>YESSS! GSPCA worked :)
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09:18<padski>if I change web servers am I right in thinking it will still be www-data ?
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09:19<avu>padski, that depends on the webserver
09:20<avu>padski, lighttpd for example uses www-data, too
09:20<padski>avu, packaged in etch
09:20<avu>padski, there are zillions of webservers in etch..
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09:21<nick01>finek, looks ok
09:21<padski>debtags search web::server | wc -l lists 50 packages but there is all kinds of stuff in there.
09:21<members>how do I get nautilus to not open every folder in a new window or what is another good file browser?
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09:22<avu>members, enable browser mode
09:22<avu>members, under edit->preferences somewhere
09:23<nick01>finek, but at least debian-multimedia I configured it with sid/lenny not testing, it may work that way too dunno, if previously it had stable instead of etch
09:23<nick01>finek, yeah works both ways
09:23<finek>ok thx
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09:26<benjamin><themill> : i do
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09:27<themill>benjamin: then perhaps ask in #bash then.
09:27<benjamin>themill : that is what i already do, but the man page tell me to use a env var in non-interactive mode, but i don't understand how to use this env
09:27<benjamin>ok!
09:27<benjamin>didn't know about this channel sorry
09:27<themill>benjamin: there's also #bash on freenode.net; I'm not sure which is the better one to use.
09:27<benjamin>themill thanks a lot :)
09:28<members>yup, that fixed it. Thanks avu
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10:48<ciphergoth>Packaging a Python-based tool - python-support or python-central?
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10:49<padski>!mentors
10:49<dpkg>from memory, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/
10:49<astrid>DONDE ME PUEDO CONECTAR PARA HABALR EN ESPAÑOL
10:49<padski>!es
10:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:18<Zoup> i'm working on remote debian servers which seems to crash often , have can i save kernel panic errors ?
11:19<the-dude>Zoup: did you check syslog?
11:19<padski>Zoup, serial console ?
11:20<Zoup>the-dude: nothing on syslog ...
11:20<Zoup>padski: cant , got only one server there
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11:20<the-dude>how do you know it has a kernel panic?
11:21<Zoup>the-dude: im sure
11:21<kop>Zoup: No way to slip another little box in? Something solid state like a soekris?
11:21<padski>Zoup, there have been various patches to save to disk or network.
11:21<the-dude>what error does it give?
11:21<Zoup>kop: no way ;(
11:22<Zoup>padski: any of them applied to debian ?
11:22<padski>Zoup, have you checked the hardware ?
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11:22<Zoup>guys , i'm not looking to fix that server , i want to know a generic and always working way to save panic to disk or network :)
11:22<padski>Zoup, not in the stock kernel as far as i know. there might be something packaged.
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11:23<padski>Zoup, you use one of those patches. last I recall Linus wasn't letting anything like that near his tree.
11:23<Zoup>padski: crazy ... ;))
11:23<padski>Zoup, if i recall correctly redhat did one of them.
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11:24<padski>Zoup, http://www.redhat.com/support/wpapers/redhat/netdump/
11:24<Zoup>padski: yeah thats perfectly what i need , i know netdump
11:25<padski>Zoup, and there was something, was it lkcdump ?
11:25<Zoup>padski: yep , requires kernel patch
11:26<padski>Zoup, http://lkcd.sourceforge.net/
11:26<padski>Zoup, looks like lkcd is packaged in etch
11:27<padski>Zoup, I never got around to it. has always turned out to be hardware :-)
11:27<Zoup>padski: yeah!
11:27<Zoup>padski: other people in freenode debian channel suggestting a look at 'kexec'
11:28<padski>Zoup, this is boot a second kernel to look at the wreckage of the first ?
11:28<padski>lol
11:28<padski>'cos it worked so well the first time ;-)
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11:29<padski>(its actually not that bad an idea for some case)
11:29<Zoup>yep , i don't know kexec very well
11:30<Zoup>looks like you can run a parallel kernel which write other one crash dumps to disk
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11:34<padski>Zoup, it might have the benefit of working with an unpatched kernel, dunno
11:35<Zoup>padski: its a great benefit
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11:48<Orijin4l>hi
11:49<Orijin4l>http://josh.ath.cx/phpsysinfo/
11:49<Orijin4l>looking at that, my RAM usage seems very high
11:49<Orijin4l>just asking if that seems ok to you guys? as it is permantly around 90%
11:49<Orijin4l>but normaly about 50 to 80% is cached
11:50<Orijin4l>is this just cause linux uses RAM more efficiently than i am used to with windows ?
11:50<Zoup>Orijin4l: exactly
11:50<Orijin4l>is it, you need to worry if the majority is not in cached and buffers ?
11:50<Zoup>Orijin4l: theres nothing wrong with your system , its VFS cache
11:50<Orijin4l>but in applications and and kernel
11:50<Orijin4l>ok thankyou
11:51<kop>Orijin4l : Ram unused is ram wasted.
11:51<Zoup>Orijin4l: its filesystem cache , if application needs the memory ,they will flush
11:51<Orijin4l>my other question was, i have a gig of swap, but it never seems to use more than a few kilobytes of it
11:51<Baggy2>Hi, I am using kernel 2.6.22 with gcc 4.1.2 and glibc 2.3.6. When I try running pthread_cancel on a running thread I get an exception followed by "FATAL: exception not rethrown". Is this a known problem to you guys?
11:51<SlayerXP>Orijin4l: that's a good thing
11:51<Zoup>Orijin4l: then be happy :) swap is used when there is no physical memory available
11:51<Orijin4l>ok then :)
11:51<Orijin4l>thanks alot for your help guys
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11:52<Orijin4l>hope i didnt sound like too much of a linux noob, or ask too many stupid questions
11:52<dinamizador>kkkkkkk
11:52<dinamizador>mmmmmmmm
11:52<dinamizador>kkkkkkk
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12:00<dunken>anyone that can explain this , when doing a full install of debian netinstall on a hd , when booting the system im only getting missing operating system , ive double checked so its the right hd that is booting , ?
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12:03<padski>dunken, that message is typically output by the bios I think. did you install a bootloader ?
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12:05<ali3n0>hi guys... I've lost control on a running server. I've run shutdown -r but it seems to be in loop, eating 100% of cpu, and I can't kill the process. Any idea about how to reboot that box?
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12:06<padski>dunken, please keep it in the channel. do you have something on the mbr ?
12:07<padski>ali3n0, do you have / can you get a shell ?
12:08<ali3n0>padski: yeah, sshd is still running and I've got root
12:08<dunken>padski: got some other hds in the system , but it sounds wierd that i cant boot with the hd
12:08<ali3n0>puzzled about the 100% cpu... :-O
12:09<padski>ali3n0, ps or top
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12:09<ali3n0>padski: isn't goin to flood?
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12:10<ali3n0>9402 root 18 0 1688 616 536 R 100 0.1 37:53.89 shutdown
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12:10<ali3n0>that seems to be the only active process
12:11<padski>ali3n0, shutdown at 100 % cpu ?
12:11<ali3n0>yeah :-D
12:11<ali3n0>I mean :-O
12:11<padski>ali3n0, can you kill it ?
12:12<ali3n0>nope :(
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12:12<ali3n0>tried any kind of signal, -9 too
12:12<ali3n0>I've no physical access
12:12<padski>take the system down by hand
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12:13<padski>and then use reboot
12:13<ali3n0>maybe a ping of death? :-)
12:13<padski>what !?
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12:13<ali3n0>kidding. I said I've got no physical access
12:13<sit>hallo
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12:13<padski>ali3n0, man reboot
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12:14<ali3n0>padski: what do you mean?
12:15<ali3n0>I "usually" know how to reboot a box, but this one is pretty hard this time
12:15<padski>ali3n0, I meaN: there is a program /sbin/reboot go and read the friendly manual page and learn how to use it.
12:15<sit>hab nen problem mit phoenix firstboot nach ein jahr erhielt ich das gerät repariert zurück nun weiss ich das bios poweron passwort auf ibm thinkpad r 52 nicht mehr such kostenlose lösung
12:15<cahoot>!de
12:15<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
12:15<sansun>i know here is not the channel....
12:15<ali3n0>padski: forget it
12:15<sansun>but so dou know where i can find 43bits ODBC driver for aix??
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12:16<sansun>*32bits
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12:16<padski>ali3n0, seriously. what do you think shutdown calls when it has finished unmounting disks and all the rest ?
12:16<sit>join #debian.de
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12:17<sit>so wie komme ich in #debian.de
12:17<ali3n0>padski: no clue. but I hasn't killed running processes yet, like cron etc
12:17<pumpkin0>sit: /j #debian.de
12:17<ali3n0>padski: anyway, I'll have a look
12:17<sit>okay
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12:28<tckb>join /fsfap
12:28<tckb>help
12:28<tckb>:/help
12:29<padski>tckb, try: /join fsfap
12:29<amphi>tckb: /join #foo
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12:30<padski>even better :-)
12:30<amphi>;)
12:30<tckb>ohh thanx
12:30<fxiny>when in south europe jojn #bar . hic ! ;P
12:31<fxiny>which is the same as joining #pub
12:32<padski>except for the decor
12:32<amphi>fxiny: verily
12:32<fxiny>amphi: :)
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12:33<fxiny>padski: true : can't compare a fine pub to a damned bar
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12:44<zaikxtox>hello. i need a tool to draw a sketch of an office. i have tryed Dia but has no things like sofa, chairs, tables, and so...
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12:45<zaikxtox>someone knows some tool to make that kind of things?
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12:48<padski>zaikxtox, apparently qcad
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12:48<padski>zaikxtox, http://www.ribbonsoft.com/library/architecture/
12:49<Baggy2>Correction to my previous question. Some of my running threads exit with with exception when running pthread_cancel(someRunningThread); What could be causing this? Anyone?
12:50<lukasz>hi, can anybody help me? i've just inserted a radeon 9250 card and glx info is still giving me "direct rendering No", what can be the problem?
12:50<Simon_42>zaikxtox: "Sweet Home 3D". It is on sourceforge...
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12:53<lukasz>i've already tried both "fglx" and "ati" drivers, but it still doesn't work - i don't know what's the problem
12:53<jthomas>My AMD AthlonXP 2900+ box doesn't like to halt when I shut the computer down; it says its halted but the hardware itself keeps running. Any ideas to fix this??
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12:55<zaikxtox>padski, Simon_42 really a lotof thanks!!!
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12:57<padski>jthomas, I can't remember, but perhaps related to something like apm or acpi ? have a google about :-)
12:57<gsimmons>!tell jthomas -about poweroff
12:58<jthomas>thanks!! I'll try it tonight!!
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12:58<padski>gsimmons, thanks
12:59<fxiny>must be nice
12:59<fxiny>it is
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13:03<Kiramon>Anyone around?
13:03<padski>!ask
13:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
13:03<Kiramon>okay
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13:04<Kiramon>I recently upgraded to Lenny, lost my nvidia driver in the process, and am trying to reinstall it. I'm currently stuck on it saying it can't find the version of the kernel source, although it can finally find the source itself.
13:05<Kiramon>I'm installing it using the nVidia .run file
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13:08<padski>!nvidia
13:08<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
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13:10<Kiramon>I've tried doing it 'the Debian way' and it chokes when it tries to get the nvidia-kernel-source source
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13:11<Kiramon>module-assistant, that is
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13:11<jthomas>!nvidia_post_etch
13:11<dpkg>somebody said nvidia_post_etch was update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
13:12<jthomas>somebody said all that? wow. :)
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13:12<lukasz>I'm trying to use ATI Radeon 9250 on Debian Etch, but glxinfo still gives me "direct rendering No" - anybody knows how to solve this problem?
13:12<Kiramon>hmm, I didn't try using just 'nvidia', I'll attempt that and see if it happens to work, thanks. If not, I'll be back. :P
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13:13<ali3n0>hi people. What could be the reason for "shutdown -r now" process eating 100% cpu?
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13:17<chump_>hey guys is there a software that will let me make PDF forms in debian?
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13:18<lukasz>chump_: i believe that openoffice lets you to do it
13:19<lukasz>chump_: i remember there was an option to save, or export a document into *.pdf
13:20<ali3n0>lukasz: it has, you can export documents to pdf format
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13:21<chump_>yeah i want to actually create documents that can be filled in and then saved then emailed me back
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13:21<lukasz>ali3n0: maybe you use Ati Radeon card? :>
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13:21<ali3n0>y
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13:22<ali3n0>lukasz: y
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13:23<lukasz>ali3n0: maybe you can help me - how to turn "direct rendering" in glxinfo to Yes ?
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13:30<guillaume_>hello, i'm still having trouble with acpid package under sid amd64 smp, package refuse to purge or upgrade and break aptitude update procedure, how is it possible to resolve this really annoying situation ?
13:31<ali3n0>lukasz: maybe editing x.org config file?
13:31<ali3n0>lukasz: what's your distro?
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13:32<erKURITA>guillaume_ have you tried removing it?
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13:33<guillaume_>erKURITA: debian packages tools fail to do so...
13:34<lukasz>ali3n0: Etch, and i've been trying to edit the xorg.conf for about an hour - nothing has helped yet...
13:34<ali3n0>lukasz: what do you need it for?
13:34<guillaume_>lukasz: what's your problem ?
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13:38<guillaume_>lukasz: sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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13:44<lukasz>the card works, but the glx still doesn't work
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13:45<cesar>opa
13:45<lukasz>i've tried to run some games but they still don't work, and as i said, glxinfo still gives me "direct rendering No"
13:46<cesar>oririret
13:46<guillaume_>lukasz: ati or nvidia ?
13:46<cesar>oiii
13:46<lukasz>guillaume: i've been trying to edit the xorg.conf file for a long time now and i still don't get any satisfying effent
13:46<lukasz>ati
13:47<lukasz>effect*
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13:47<cesar>wath thor name
13:47<cesar>??
13:47<guillaume_>i'm under nvidia but it must be an ati driver problem
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13:49<lukasz>gah, i realized that, but i can't fix it - i tried both the closed drivers (fglrx) and the open ones (ati) but they both doesn't work...
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13:52<Kiramon>I went through the steps from that nvidia-post-etch trigger, but when I get to m-a a-i nvidia it gives me an error saying that the nvidia-kernel-source build failed. The build log it generates each time is virtually empty, just a line saying it's making the log, and a line with the time and date.
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14:38<fxiny>yeahhh contact contact , oftc support can't be flooded :P
14:40<jdavies>this has been going on for how long? days?
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14:40<fxiny>months
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14:41<jdavies>fxiny: lovely
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14:41<homer>how do i configure amarok to use my usb logitech headset as it's out put?
14:41<lukasz>geez, people, can anybody help me with this card - i'm getting really confused and i don't know what to do...
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14:43<kop>fxiny : Seems like a lot of it today though.
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14:44<fxiny>kop: the BigPolishedBoot.pl watch'em spammers ;)
14:44<kop>lukasz : You might want to try etchnhalf. It's got better support for newer hardware.
14:44<kop>!etchnhalf
14:44<dpkg>etchnhalf is, like, "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/
14:44<lukasz>homer: try alsamixer - look for usb output setings
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14:47<lukasz>kop: can i update Etch to Etchnhalf without reinstalling my system?
14:48<cahoot>homer: you can run asoundconf and make the headset default
14:49<cahoot>homer: else - are you really sure amarok lacks an option to switch ouput device?
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14:50<homer>cahoot , i didn't find such options
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14:50<homer>i looked in all the menus and didn't find anything
14:50<homer>but i don't want it to be default only temporary when i choose
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14:51<cahoot>homer: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/FAQ#How_can_I_change_where_the_audio_is_output_to.3F
14:51<fxiny>amarok should have it
14:52<fxiny>autodetect alsa oss arts esd , is this you are looking for ?
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14:53<homer>thanks dudejust a minute cahoot sent something that looks very usefull
14:53<homer>thanks
14:53<fxiny>indeed
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15:06<vituko>Hi, someone knows when could we have php5.3 (not yet in unstable)?
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15:07<fxiny>a new wave ? kebab-romantic spam ?
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15:08<guillaume_>aptitude tell me that i have to correct manualy acpid package, how is it possible to solve that ?
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15:16<panagos>is there an archiver with support for split volumes? (like rar, but open source)
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15:16*fxiny thinks 88 is the name of the spam-beast
15:17<fxiny>cidr 'em all
15:19<Pepper>pangos: are you using it on command-line?
15:19<panagos>Pepper: yes, probably
15:19<Pepper>pangos: maybe a pipe (|) to the split command is appropriate
15:20<panagos>Pepper: and then to reunite them, i cat them together?
15:20<Pepper>like: tar zcf - * | split -b 10M -
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15:20<Pepper>pangos: yes.
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15:21<Pepper>cat and pipe to tar.
15:22<Pepper>pangos: for tar also the -M parameter for multivolume is available.
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15:22<Pepper>(but never used it)
15:23<panagos>Pepper: i see, thanks!
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15:43<jthomas>I am sure its been gone over before, and a lot, but can someone tell me (or point me to) a description of the vulnerability with the SSH/SSL issue recently, in a way that relates to SSL Certificate possible problems?
15:43<jthomas>I've read about the Debian pages with tests and fixes for keys, but for SSL what is the possible outcome?
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15:44<cahoot>the dsa mentioned in topic?
15:47<panagos>is there a program that can watch where my diskspace is being used, kind of like filelight, but without having to rescan my filesystem every time?
15:50<rektide>watch -n1 df -h
15:50<rektide>duh
15:50<rektide>ok duh not necessarily needed there
15:52<panagos>rektide: that's not what i need, i also want to know which subdirectories take up most space in a filesystem, duh! :P
15:53<jthomas>ooow kay...
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15:53<rektide>well then duh is the answer
15:53<rektide>;)
15:53<rektide>thanks for the save
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15:53<jthomas>du -h
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15:54<panagos>jthomas: that way i'll have to rescan a hierarchy every time i want to see the changes
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15:55<jthomas>so... you want it to not scan every time, but just know? not sure.
15:55<hikenboot>hello all--I am attempting to understand the gpl license. From what I understand one can download someone elses gpl source code and compile it into their own software for selling without paying royalties so long as you offer the source code and the copyright license--is this a correct interpretation---If so what keeps people from taking advantage of others hard work?
15:55<jthomas>pretty much, yes.
15:56<jthomas>taking advantage how? they released it as Free Software, it is its own advantage
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15:56<hikenboot>but they would want to make profit off its sale ...how do they do that if someone can so easily become a competitor
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15:57<rektide>inotify would be teh mechanism to detect changes to FS, but idont believe theres tooling to watch an entire subtree and/or report its disk uage
15:57<jthomas>well, if they were in it for purely profit, they likely wouldn't have made it Free Software. A competetor needs to keep it in the same license, so either its (a) identical and freely available elsewhere, or its (b) a fork but those changes could be incorporated back into the original.
15:58<jthomas>Generally in Free Software, there is more cooperation than competition i'd say
15:58<panagos>hikenboot: the way i see it, usually one will not make a profit out of selling the software per se, but rather by selling other services that would be useful to the user of the software (e.g. technical support)
15:58<hikenboot>so basically it limits people to make profit off of packaging, and support only?
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15:59<jthomas>well, you can sell it, if you can find a buyer.
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15:59<jthomas>but if its a support thing, the writer or maintainer likely knows it best and would be the best place for support, if they offer it
15:59<hikenboot>ah I see configuration, support and packaging with hardware is where one could make profit
15:59<jthomas>yes
16:00<jthomas>but sales of the software happens, for sure. I got started on Linux by buying SuSE 8.1 off of eBay, totally legally.
16:00<hikenboot>thanks, I just needed that clarification, seems like it would scare off companies who want to make money though
16:00<jthomas>well, our company uses Free software and we still make money
16:00<hikenboot>what does your company do?
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16:01<jthomas>web site design and hosting; custom apps; custom frontends to old databases
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16:02<jthomas>network support, hardware support
16:02<jthomas>software support
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16:02<jthomas>computer stuff :)
16:02<hikenboot>oh ok
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16:03<jthomas>there has been a round of articles lately about how there will never be an Open Source-based millionaire; people who are concerned with that seem to kinda miss the point
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16:04<hypnotic>hi there, I have a problem with printing pdfs in debian lenny with kde (this problem was also present in 2 kubuntu versions). When printing a webpage or a document, all the characters are straggly, characters are incorrectly positioned which makes the entire document sloppy
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16:06<hikenboot>jthomas so your saying that it would be impossible to become a millionaire selling it and its support? There already is those that make good profits from it...but I would agree that the small guy might never attain such status
16:07<Nemoder>I would think ibm/google/intel and many others would be proof enough against that.
16:07<jthomas>I'm not saying it is impossible, although the articles seemed to support that. However, if the software is the same, either you go with the cheap support (or none) or you go with the good support; however the moment the good support is too expensive (aka making someone a millionaire) there are alternatives to pick from
16:08<hikenboot>Nemoder, dont forget they have lots of money behind them
16:08<jthomas>i think the argument was against making another Bill Gates, basically one person who is superrick
16:08<jthomas>\\superrich
16:09<hikenboot>well hopefully I can at least make a living out of it...thats my goal, as I have done with closed source software.
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16:09<Nemoder>perhaps not if you only count people who only work with software, but i imagine any person who founds an unrelated company that happens to use open source could be a valid canidate for that title
16:09<panagos>jthomas: btw, the custom apps that your company makes, do you make it open source?
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16:11<jthomas>we give them the source, but AFAIK we don't release it under a GPL or any other license. I wish we would but its not my choice.
16:12<jthomas>hikenboot: you can always sell Red Hat, which (a) has a company behind it to support you and your clients, and (b) you can mark that up 15% or whatever
16:12<jthomas>or SuSE, or *buntu
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16:14<hikenboot>what I am going to sell is a package deal, but supporting it on my own would be the problem so i would have to become a reseller of the software at the start. later on I could profit on the support
16:15<jthomas>true, but who will supoprt what they buy initially?
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16:18<hikenboot>I will have to have them supported thru the maker of the software. in other words I would make a profit margin on the sale of the hardware and software package leaving the majority of the profits for the maker perhaps get a discount on the support that I can consume as my own profit
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16:18<hikenboot>basically for finding the customers
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16:19<jthomas>ah, so the makers of the software will get money also? they'll like that I bet.
16:20<jthomas>but it doesn't mean they have time to support you in an emergency 5am call or something
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16:20<jthomas>if you can partner with someone who knows the software already, to a point, you may be able to support it all yourselves...
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16:21<hikenboot>problem would be paying the salary of such persons cause I would need at least 3 of them for 24 hour support and they wouldnt be found cheaply
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16:24<hikenboot>that i think is the flaw in the license, only established companies could make a market or ones with innovation
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16:28<chris_goe>does anyone know why /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin sleeps for < 3600 seconds while doing....nothing?
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16:30<chris_goe>whoops.
16:30<hikenboot>jthomas, the source that is covered under the gnu ...does it also include the configuration of that source?
16:30<chris_goe>just saying "spamassassin" out loud kills spam, nice :)
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16:32<jthomas>hikenboot: can you explain the question?
16:33<panagos>[(1) write software; (2) release under GPL; (3) ?????; (4) PROFIT!!!]
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16:33<jthomas>:)
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16:34<hikenboot>you suggested downloading source and supporting it with my own group...but does the configuation files for lets say dhcpd would that be covered under the gpl license so I would have to give away that configuration
16:36<jthomas>hmm, i am not sure! Most config files are somewhat pre-configured, so your changes I wuld doubt that you have to post them. If you changed the way the software works, and add sections to the config files, then yes you would have to rerelease those... but just for a normal config with your own notes etc, I don't expect so. I am not a lawyer.
16:37<hikenboot>good enough
16:37<hikenboot>thanks
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16:38<hikenboot>I still like the 15 percent deal which would translate to a few hundred dollars at least for me and still would pay the makers for their work
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16:40<hypnotic>hi there, I have a problem with printing pdfs in debian lenny with kde (this problem was also present in 2 kubuntu versions). When printing a webpage or a document, all the characters are straggly, characters are incorrectly positioned which makes the entire document sloppy. Anybody an idea?
16:40<hikenboot>see you all later
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16:41<jthomas>you too
16:41<hikenboot>wait pangos what would be the significance of releasing it under gpl 3 as apposed to 2 in this regard?
16:43<jthomas>he is showing steps: (a) write software, (b) release under GPL; (c) ???? (d) profit -- its kinda a joke, there is money to be made in step (c) but no one really knows what that step is
16:43<jthomas>see ya
16:44<hikenboot>ok thanks
16:44<jthomas>:)
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16:56<bigsexy>hey everyone
16:56<shivraj>hi I want to create a DVD from a set of .mpg files
16:56<bigsexy>i got a question
16:56<bigsexy>is zenwalk a good os?
16:56<shivraj>I am using mkvcdfs ...
16:57<bigsexy>i've never tried used it before and was thinkin about installing it
16:57<shivraj>but its saying some of the files are not in .mpg format even though they have a .mpg filename
16:57<shivraj>is there a program that I can use to fix them ?
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16:59<shivraj>bigsexy : install it and see if you like it ... .. this is #debian
16:59<shivraj>go on freenode and see if they have a channel
16:59<shivraj>irc.freenode.net
17:00<bigsexy>will do
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17:01<bigsexy>is zenwalk easy to use like ubuntu?
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17:03<shivraj>bigsexy :.. debian is easy to use .. easier than ubuntu ..........
17:03<bigsexy>what about zenwalk?
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17:04<shivraj>bigsexy :... all distros of linux are basically the same .. debian has the best package management system ... and the releases actually have names
17:04<shivraj>well they all share the same kernel
17:04<shivraj>same layout pretty much
17:05<shivraj>you can install whatever app you want .... after that
17:07<shivraj>bigsexy : if you look at what percent of people use debian in the Linux world I bet its over 50% .........
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17:12<jcooksey>I just got a new system in with a super talent 16GB solid state drive, and tried to put debian on it, but the write time on the drive was horrible. I was curious so I did 'hdparm -t /dev/sda', and the drive had a read time of 18.2 KB/s. Amazingly slow. Anyone ever run into this problem?
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17:16<shivraj>jcooksey : solid states suck ... only the access time is fast ... transfer is like 30mb/sec .. why waste your money ?
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17:20<jcooksey>shivraj: it's for an embedded app in a manufacturing enviroment. reasonable transfer rates aren't vital to us, we're just tired of hard drives dying in the field
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17:22<shivraj>jcooksey : :) well I dont know check google ..
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17:24<jcooksey>shivraj: haven't had much luck with google.. I'm starting to think I just got a busted drive :(
17:25<shivraj>jcooksey .. maybe
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17:26<shivraj>compare it to a usb flash drive ... kernel recognizes both as scsi ...
17:27<shivraj>or your digital camera. ... if you dont have a usb drive
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17:28<shivraj>I have lenny ... trying to install devede .. its not installing
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17:33<ofirg__>can I get my public key from a private DSA?
17:34<weasel>gpg? ssh?
17:34<ofirg__>ssh
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17:35<weasel>probably. if, then ssh-keygen is your tool
17:35<ofirg__>humm
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18:15<tom_>can I get help running my HD audio controller, I've tried alsa but nothing's working
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18:18<Zorr0>hola a todos
18:18<Zorr0>tengo una duda
18:18<Zorr0>soy nuevo en esto
18:19<Zorr0>quiero instalar debian
18:19-!-daniel_ [~daniel@190.26.131.205] has joined #debian
18:19<Zorr0>entre a la pagina www.debian.org
18:19<Zorr0>pero no se que es lo que debo descargar para instalarlo
18:19<Zorr0>me dice solo descargue lo que necesito
18:19-!-Rampage [~Rampage@host-137-205-72-174.res.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #debian
18:19<Zorr0>pero no se lo que necesito
18:19<Zorr0>quien me ayuda?
18:19<Zorr0>porfavor
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18:21<x03>Zorr0: amigo tens de falar em ingles ;)
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18:21<Zorr0>ok
18:22<x03>Zorr0: http://darkstart.ist.utl.pt/debian-iso/
18:22<x03>you can download the iso's there
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18:22<Zorr0>ok
18:22<Zorr0>thank
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18:24<Zorr0>what is the iso? 4.0_r3 or current???
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18:25<Zorr0>what need download?
18:25<tom_>4.0_r3 is the latest stable
18:26<Zorr0>ok
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18:26<Zorr0>but 4.0_r3 is a dir
18:26<Zorr0>with so much files
18:26<Zorr0>what need download?
18:27<x03>you need to chosse you arch
18:27<tom_>oh
18:27<x03>do you have intel ?
18:27<tom_>you want an iso?
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18:27<Zorr0>i have an amd
18:28<x03>64 bits?
18:28<tom_>amd64 I suppose?
18:28<Zorr0>i have a laptop compaq presario f564la
18:28<Zorr0>and i want an iso
18:28<tom_>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/amd64/iso-cd/
18:28<Zorr0>i dont know if it is 64 or 32?
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18:28<tom_>at the bottom you can choose between kde or xfce
18:28<Zorr0>i think what is 64
18:29<tom_>it's a somehow new computer?
18:29<x03>i think you dont will like linux
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18:29<Zorr0>why?
18:29<tom_>are you into computers?
18:29-!-Emmanuel_Ar [~emm@host129.200-82-100.telecom.net.ar] has joined #debian
18:29<Zorr0>yes
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18:30<Zorr0>why?
18:30-!-Guest48 [~knoppix@bzq-84-109-90-130.red.bezeqint.net] has left #debian []
18:30<tom_>because linux can be sometimes a headache
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18:30<tom_>like pretty much any os anyway
18:30<Zorr0>what is headache?
18:30<x03>and you can read the topic even
18:30<x03>Zorr0: dor de cabeca
18:30<Zorr0>ok
18:30<Zorr0>ajjajaja
18:30<daniel_>hi, i have a problem whit the xchat irc client
18:31<Zorr0>a friend have linux debian
18:31<Zorr0>mmm
18:31<Zorr0>and i see that
18:31<Zorr0>and i like that
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18:31<Zorr0>i want have debian
18:31<x03>go burn the image, and boot it and tell me how it works
18:31<x03>;)
18:31<Zorr0>but what image need download?
18:32<x03>if you have AMD64 you will need:
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18:32<x03>http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt/debian-iso/4.0_r3/amd64/debian-40r3-amd64-netinst.iso
18:32<x03>for last stable release
18:32<tom_>mmm
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18:33<Zorr0>in amd64 there are 5 files
18:33<tom_>I'd rather recommand a full cd than a netinst
18:33<Zorr0>i need download everything?
18:33<x03>you need read
18:33<x03>first
18:33<x03>and after install ;)
18:34<x03>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/
18:34<Zorr0>ok
18:34<Zorr0>thank
18:35<x03>please read and dont make random useless questions
18:35<d_ream>hi all
18:36<Zorr0>thank
18:36<d_ream>Anybody could help me make my soundcard work?
18:36<tom_>what card do you have?
18:36-!-SiCuTDeUx [~workstati@190.201.174.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:36<d_ream>Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller
18:36<x03>i'm off
18:36<d_ream>and 2.6.25-2-686 kernel
18:36<tom_>it's integrated I suppose
18:36<d_ream>yep
18:37<d_ream>I've been trying weeks to set it up, don't know wht else to do
18:37<tom_>tried alsa?
18:37<d_ream>apparently i have some problem with alsa, tried compile from source and i cannot
18:37<d_ream>yep
18:38<tom_>I'm currently having the same issue :)
18:38<d_ream>:)
18:38<tom_>working on it just right no
18:38<tom_>now*
18:38<d_ream>any progress?
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18:39<tom_>not really
18:39<d_ream>for some reason I cannot compile the alsa driver, except for if I use -i while make
18:39<tom_>I've tried using the drivers included in my p5k-e cd
18:40<tom_>well, if you ignore errors, it sure won't work ;)
18:40<d_ream>yep, but if I don't, it won't either :P
18:41<tom_>that is a realtek soundcard I believe
18:41<tom_>well, have you checked the errors it gives you, it's generally packages dependencies
18:41<d_ream>it has some unary exclamation mark problem or something
18:42<d_ream>it's a /usr/src/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.16/acore/timer.c: In function ‘snd_timer_request’:
18:42<d_ream>/usr/src/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.16/acore/timer.c:155: error: wrong type argument to unary exclamation mark
18:43<tom_>check before that error, maybe it's something else
18:44<d_ream>well, it configures easily with no errors, and starts make normally, until it gets to that point
18:44<d_ream>it's rather weird
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18:45<tom_>like I said, it's sometimes missing some libs in the make process
18:45<tom_>but yes, that's rather weird indeed
18:45<chealer>d_ream: not unless you ask you explain the problem
18:46<chealer>d_ream: not unless you explain the problem
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18:49<d_ream>actually the problem is my soundcard is not even recognised ("no pci devices found in alsaconf) with deb packages and it's finally recognised but not usable when i install compile alsa.
18:50<tom_>tell me the following: motherboard, debian version, kernel
18:50<d_ream>Lenny/Sid, 2.6.25-2-686
18:50<d_ream>and motherboard, no idea :)
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18:54<master>hi
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18:55<d_ream>by the way, the sounds modules are not loaded, but I guess this is due to the bad compiling of alsa
18:55<dasdas>debin alsa suck :)
18:55<d_ream>:(
18:55<dasdas>its true
18:55<dasdas>:)
18:56<dasdas>sr for my english but can you help me .. i have problem with spam ?
18:56<tom_>haha
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18:58<d_ream>tom, you said before about missing libs. Do you have any idea what I should check?
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18:58<dasdas>alsaconf :?)
18:59<tom_>when you compile, check if there's others error before the one you found
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19:00<d_ream>alsaconf doesn't set up my card
19:00<tom_>but I believe it wont solve much since I've tried compiling alsa with the files provided by the motherboard manufacturer
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19:03<d_ream>well, there were no other errors before that. oh, well, apparently is even more complicated of what I initially thought
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19:03<d_ream>your problem is similar to mine?
19:04<tom_>hey
19:05<tom_>try running update-pciids
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19:05<tom_>yep, no sound
19:05<tom_>update-pciids now gives me better names for my devices
19:06<d_ream>i run it
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19:09<tom_>when you do a lspci | grep Audio you get a result?
19:09<d_ream>yep
19:09<d_ream>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
19:09<tom_>ok, you have approximately the same audio as me :)
19:10<d_ream>:)
19:10<d_ream>we will have to learn to live without sound
19:10<d_ream>having sound is overrated, anyway ;)
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19:11<tom_>oh no, I won't live without it
19:11<tom_>it's a question of pride
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19:15*qq a older pci sound card may help
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19:17<d_ream>maybe, thing is, i'm having a laptop and it's gonna be complicated
19:17<qq>or get that question on #sidux chan
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19:18<qq>s/ get/ask *
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19:19<d_ream>ok, I'll give a try on #sidux
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19:20<tom_>d_ream
19:20<tom_>i think I have something
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19:21<d_ream>you made it work?
19:21<tom_>pretty much
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19:21<tom_>I'm rebooting and telling you in a sec
19:21<d_ream>ok, waiting
19:21<d_ream>good luck :)
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19:21<tom_>well, alsaconf worked :)
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19:22<tom_>pretty good sign for me
19:22<d_ream>yep :)
19:22<tom_>yup
19:22<tom_>testing sound
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19:24<tom_> good news, it works
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19:25<uan>hi
19:26<tom_>ok, let's get started
19:26<tom_>go to the alsa project website
19:26<tom_>download the latest alsa drivers
19:26<tom_>alsa-driver-1.0.16
19:27<tom_>make sure you are root (su)
19:27<tom_>uname -r will tell you your kernel version
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19:27<tom_>apt-get install linux-headers-ofthatversion
19:28<tom_>tell me when you have that done
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19:30<d_ream>i have all that already (alsa 1.0.16 and my headers)
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19:31<tom_>ok
19:31<tom_>go to the untared alsa folder
19:32<d_ream>i just did a make uninstall in the alsa-driver
19:32<d_ream>ok, i'm in there
19:32<tom_>./configure --with-kernel=/usr/src/yourkernelheader
19:32<tom_>just to make sure
19:32<tom_>do a ls /usr/src/linux-headers-yourversion
19:32<tom_>should return you stuff in the folder
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19:33<d_ream>shouldn't i use --with-cards=hda-intel?
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19:33<tom_>no
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19:37<d_ream>done sudo ./configure --with-kernel=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
19:37<d_ream>got a warning, [WARNING: Makefile.conf.in seems to ignore the --datarootdir setting], dunno if it's important
19:37<tom_>don't think
19:37<tom_>make
19:38<tom_>and then make install
19:38<tom_>tell me when it's done
19:38<d_ream>/usr/src/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.16/acore/timer.c: In function ‘snd_timer_request’:
19:38<d_ream>/usr/src/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.16/acore/timer.c:155: error: wrong type argument to unary exclamation mark
19:38<d_ream>make[3]: *** [/usr/src/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.16/acore/timer.o] Error 1
19:38<d_ream>make[2]: *** [/usr/src/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.16/acore] Error 2
19:38<d_ream>make[1]: *** [_module_/usr/src/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.16] Error 2
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19:39<d_ream>well, i pasted the error and the channel kicked me :)
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19:39<d_ream>it's the same as before
19:39<tom_>oh well
19:39<d_ream>the unary exclamation mark thing
19:39<tom_>I didn't get that error
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19:40<d_ream>*sigh* i don't understand...
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19:43<tom_>you got anything in /proc/asound/?
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19:43<d_ream>nope
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19:43<tom_>apt-get install gcc?
19:44<tom_>that'd be funny
19:44<d_ream>already the newest version :(
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19:48<d_ream>i've run out of ideas. and it's the same thing with a custom kernel i use, too
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19:48<d_ream>did you get yours working finally?
19:49<tom_>yea, it's working
19:49<tom_>I'm on etch though
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19:54<qq>d_ream: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=467421
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20:02<d_ream>oh, ok, so apparently it's a bug and i should be trying either 2.6.24 kernel or 1.0.16rc2
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20:03<d_ream>thanks all for your help, especially tom_ :)
20:03<qq>or ask on sidux chan
20:03<tom_>no problem
20:03<tom_>im sure there's a solution though :P
20:03<d_ream>i ll ask on sidux :), thanks, qq
20:03<d_ream>I'm sure, too, all problems have a solution :)
20:04<d_ream>thanks all, really
20:04<d_ream>bye
20:04<tom_>good luck with that
20:04<d_ream>:)
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20:22<lucas_amorim>Hello! I have tried to install debian stable in a 24MB (ram) Pentium today... The problem is that the installer that comes with the CD needs a minimum of 32MB of ram to be able to load its components, so I could not be able to install the system. Is there a version o the debian installer with which I can install it in this machine?
20:22<lucas_amorim>the sarge installer used to work on that
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20:27<qq>lucas_amorim: woody , sarge , or add some ram
20:28<lucas_amorim>why can't I have the stable release?
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20:28<qq> 24MB (ram) < 32 MB , no ?
20:28<lucas_amorim>isn't there any other installer??
20:28<lucas_amorim>:s
20:28<qq> woody , sarge
20:29<lucas_amorim>yes, but this would give me woody or sarge, I would like to have the stable release...
20:29<lucas_amorim>but, thats ok...
20:29<lucas_amorim>thanks
20:29<Supaplex>I think my doorbell has more ram than that ;)
20:30<qq>lucas_amorim: The problem is that the installer that comes with the CD needs a minimum of 32MB of ram to be able to load its components,
20:30<lucas_amorim>lol
20:30<lucas_amorim>qq: yes, I know. Thats why I asked about another version of the installer ;)
20:31<lucas_amorim>thanks
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20:31<qq>np
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21:27<\3TATUK>I'm getting two different IP resolutions for a domain based on whether i'm root or non-root. .. I'm guessing the non-root has some type of local DNS cache, is there a way to flush this?
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21:37<shivraj>why isnt mencoder in lenny ?
21:38<Supaplex>!DRM
21:38<dpkg>it has been said that drm is a cool new video card feature in the 2.4 kernel -- http://precisioninsight.com/dr/drm.html or the Direct Rendering Module, or called Direct Rendering Manager. "an acronym for "Digital Restrictions Management" ", or http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/drm.asp
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21:38<stroyan>\3TATUK: It might a difference in environment variables such as LOCALDOMAIN or RES_OPTIONS that is different for root.
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21:38<Supaplex>!mencoder
21:38<dpkg>i heard mencoder is available from the debian-multimedia.org repositories and is not in Debian itself. Ask me about <dmm>. For usage instructions, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/mencoder.html and also http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/encoding-guide.html
21:39<Supaplex>shivraj: drm / patent issues / misc
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21:40<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
21:40<Rockos24>Hello
21:41<Rockos24>Hmmmm.... this seems to wrk, sorry roral newbie to irc
21:41<Rockos24>total
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21:43<RIVE>Hi Rockos24.
21:43<Rockos24>Hi, how are you doing?
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21:45<RIVE>Fine, reading how to install Bind in my home server.
21:45<Rockos24>Bind, please take care
21:46<Rockos24>You also have a mysql on the same machine?
21:47<RIVE>Yes.
21:47<Rockos24>Ok, You need just to resolve your own domaind?
21:47<Rockos24>domains?
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21:48<RIVE>Yes, i use zoneedit for that, but i want my own DNS.
21:49<Rockos24>Ok, take a look at mydns (google it)
21:49-!-humbolto [~elias@81.5.202.190] has joined #debian
21:49<Rockos24>I doing 100.000 queries a hour with it, works like a breeze
21:50<Rockos24>Itś easy and fast
21:50<RIVE>I have 2 domains with mydns, but i want to resolve myself.
21:51<Rockos24>I've done bind, it is a good package, but you need to need alot of study to get ir right
21:51<RIVE>I don't use one domain, so i canplay whit it.
21:51<Rockos24>I do 1200 domains with it
21:51<RIVE>I have time Rockos24, don't need to hurry the install or configuration.
21:52<Rockos24>on a semphron
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21:53<RIVE>Wow, on a Semphron.
21:53<Rockos24>yup
21:53<Rockos24>http://mydns.bboy.net/
21:54<Rockos24>I think it's great
21:54<RIVE>Checking.
21:54<Rockos24>it just takes 1% of my processor
21:56<RIVE>Nice performing.
21:56<Rockos24>sorry for my language, i'm not a native speaker
21:56<Rockos24>dutch
21:57<RIVE>I'm from México, so i think we have the same "problem" :-)
21:58<Rockos24>hehehhe, mexico, home of the peppers
21:58<RIVE>Yes, "chiles".
21:58<Rockos24>My parents where there, the give me some bottkes
21:59<RIVE>Did you eat it?
21:59<Rockos24>christ, one drop is enough for the whole dish
21:59<RIVE>dutch = Denmark?
21:59<Rockos24>nope, holland also known as the netherlands
21:59<Rockos24>amsterdam rings a bell
22:00<RIVE>Ok, Holanda.
22:00<Rockos24>yep
22:00<RIVE>I was near :-)
22:00<Rockos24>The only country where you can use drugs legally
22:01<Rockos24>Well near, 1000KM
22:01<RIVE>In most contries of the world you can use drugs legaly, if you consider alcohol and tobacco a drug.
22:02<Rockos24>well, that is another discussion
22:02<RIVE>Yes, thats another matter.
22:02<Rockos24>I don like drugs
22:03<Rockos24>makes you slow
22:03<RIVE>1,000 km, is less the distance from where i live to México D.F. the capital of the country.
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22:04<Rockos24>For me, it's like from here ro spain
22:04<RIVE>I want to go to Europe.
22:04<Rockos24>to spain
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22:04<bigsexy>hey yall i got a question
22:04<Rockos24>Well, if you need a place to crash
22:05<bigsexy>does anyone know if damn small linux has wifi enabled by default?
22:05<Rockos24>bigsexy: don't know, but guessing: no
22:05<RIVE>bigjocker, only once i install DSL in a computer anda the wifi did't work.
22:05<bigsexy>ok thanks
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22:06<Rockos24>welll, short guy
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22:06<RIVE>Rockos24, "crash" means "stay"?
22:06<Rockos24>yup
22:07<Rockos24>well, means for a couple of days, 2 weeks
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22:07<RIVE>Thanks, but i travel heavy, wife and two kids :-)
22:07<user01>any idea why all my video playback shows a green screen except when playing flv in browser?
22:07<Rockos24>hmmm...... I can handle that
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22:07<Rockos24>Big aparment, all alone
22:08<user01>was working fine, but this last week it stopped running lenny
22:08<Rockos24>user01, hmmmmm you have green in all your screens?
22:08<user01>Rockos24, yes
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22:09<Rockos24>Hmmmm.... green means normally, it is working your vodeocard wrong
22:09<Rockos24>all of a sudden it just went green?
22:09<user01>Rockos24, if i switch to x11 in video options in mplayer it works but wont scale
22:10<user01>Rockos24, i noticed it after an update about a week ago
22:10<RIVE>user01, what program are you using to play the flv's?
22:10<user01>RIVE, not just flv, mpeg too . . . mplayer vlc totem
22:11<user01>RIVE, all video
22:11<Rockos24>all of them run green?
22:11<user01>Rockos24, well if i run in xfce it is all blue :)
22:11<RIVE><user01> Rockos24, if i switch to x11 in video options in mplayer it works but wont scale <-- that's was my answear.
22:11<Rockos24>i saw
22:12<Rockos24>Well, if you want my opinion, it's broke
22:12<user01>Rockos24, when I run xfce it is blue :)
22:12<Rockos24>meaning the hardware
22:12<user01>Rockos24, the hardware?
22:12<Rockos24>river what you think?
22:13<user01>Rockos24, i could test in the windows partition if youd like
22:13<RIVE>Mmm, no idea if he change to X11 the video output.
22:13<Rockos24>And is it working allrigt there?
22:14<user01>RIVE, it works with x11 in mplayer
22:14<Rockos24>Well green/bleu is no good sign
22:14<user01>(ximage/shm)
22:14<Rockos24>It fucks up the rgn
22:14<Rockos24>rgb
22:14<user01>everything else is fine though, only video playback
22:15<Rockos24>Most of the time, i've seen it the videocard was wel.....#@$#$$#$#
22:15<user01>hmmm
22:15<Rockos24>sorry
22:16<RIVE>I can't help you user01, sorry.
22:16<user01>Rockos24, if i try loading windows from the partition i never use and try video playback and it works, could i eliminate that hypothesis?
22:16<Rockos24>yup
22:16<user01>ok brb
22:16<Rockos24>True
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22:17<Rockos24>but boot it a few times
22:17<Rockos24>And he's gone
22:17<Rockos24>Is that normal
22:17<Rockos24>Question and leve=
22:18<Rockos24>But youre welcome to come
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22:18<RIVE>If i did't have the experience to solve a problem in my computers did't know how to solve it, think i'm a lasy Linux user.
22:18<Rockos24>I've 5 rooms just for my one
22:19<Rockos24>As long you take the real hot peppersauces with you
22:19<RIVE>:-) thanks.
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22:20<RIVE>My wife makes very hot "salsas" .
22:20<twb>You kids with your long hair, rock music and adding machines.
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22:21<Rockos24>whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhoooooooohhhhhoooooooooooo
22:22<Rockos24>twb zucht
22:23<Rockos24>rockos@zonnet.nl
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22:24<Rockos24>he's back
22:24<user01>Rockos24, playback is fine in windoze
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22:24<Rockos24>hmmmmm.... so it's not broken
22:24<Rockos24>ai
22:25<user01>Rockos24, wasnt sure at first because the screen looked all weird then i realized that i had selected grindhouse to test
22:25<Rockos24>to be honest, I just don know
22:25<Rockos24>I'm doin severs
22:26<Rockos24>not much of a help a!
22:26<RIVE>user01, it fails after a upgrade?
22:26<user01>RIVE, after an update in llenny
22:26<Rockos24>Shit man, i Just dont know
22:27<user01>i know debian isnt ubuntu but the closest thing could find was this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=326835
22:27<Rockos24>I am doing severs
22:27<RIVE>user01, let me try to play a flv with mplayer, i'm in Lenny.
22:28<RIVE>Maybe i have the same problem.
22:29<user01>RIVE, mine is with any video
22:29<user01>RIVE, mpeg etc
22:30<RIVE>Let me try i just update and didn't played any video in this computer.
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22:30<user01>RIVE, i dont usually either, except through iceweasel so i didnt notice it
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22:32<Rockos24>Ok, this is userstiuff, i going to bed, it is 04:31 localtime
22:32<user01>im thinking maybe something started breaking apart as far as packages . . . I also cant connect to network resources in gnome now but that was a bug already reported
22:32<RIVE>mmm totem play a .avi it with a blue tint, vlc joust hear the sond, but mplayer work well.
22:32<user01>Rockos24, sweet dreams thanks
22:32<Rockos24>have to sleep
22:32<RIVE>Rockos24, take care.
22:33<user01>ive been runny lenny on this since . . . last year
22:34<user01>running
22:34<Rockos24>river, you have my email, if youŕe going to the netherlands, i'l host yiu
22:34<RIVE>Thanks Rockos24.
22:34<Rockos24>sleeeepp.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
22:34<Supaplex>user01: *chuckle*. you mean your box runs it.... :)
22:34<Supaplex>!caffinate Rockos24
22:34*dpkg gives Rockos24 a cup of coffee
22:35<Rockos24>sleeeeeeeeeeeppppppppppppp....................
22:35<Rockos24>systen shutdown,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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22:41<user01>RIVE, sorry it just froze
22:41<RIVE>NO problem user01.
22:42<user01>i tried restarting x but it was still frozen
22:43<RIVE>Have to make the dinner, allow me a few minutes.
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23:06<RIVE>Hi.
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23:28<dave_>helo, what i need to compiling C ?? . only gcc and libc6-dev ??
23:29<dendrite>dave_: apt-get install build-essential
23:30<dave_>dendrite: thx, something pack.. else?
23:30<dendrite>dave_: In English? Please?
23:31<dendrite>"Can I buy a complete sentence..."
23:32<simonrvn>"That will cost you extra, mostly in patience."
23:32<dendrite>HA HA .. *sigh*
23:32<dave_>mm
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23:35<dave_>dendrite: what else? build-essential, gcc, libc6-dev or build-essential is enough
23:35<dendrite>dave_: build-essential should get you the core stuff. What other libs you need will depend on what you're building.
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23:36<dendrite>dave_: In your shoes, I'd install build-essential, try to build your project, and then go from there, once you have more specific needs.
23:37<dave_>ok!
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23:39<qq>(an IDE may help or no (anjuta))
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