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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-05-24

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01:11<billy12>i broke ssh!
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01:11<billy12>i `ssh-keygen` w/o deleting the old ones
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01:34<twb>billy12: why not just move the old ones?
01:35<twb>billy12: or are you saying that you overwrote your old identity file (private key)?
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01:42<tonewhy>can someone answer this. can Wine run photoshop cs3? or lightroom?
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02:03<Guest93>i have itunes installed via wine and it runs pretty sluggish is there anhythign in can do to speed things up
02:06<twb>You could run Rhythmbox instead.
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02:15<dunken32>anyone got a hint why it tells me that ive got no operativ system when i bootup , right after a debian 4.0r3 install , ?
02:17<twb>dunken32: no.
02:18<twb>dunken32: first you must provide more information about the symptoms.
02:18<rvca2>is it in grub?
02:18<rvca2>dunken32:is it grub?
02:18<dunken32>yes its in grup
02:18<Guest93>ipod, itunes is better and i'm used to it
02:19<dunken32>thought it was something that the other hds was messing around
02:19<dunken32>but did pull all other hds , so its only the "boot" in the system and its giving the same
02:19<dunken32>error
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02:20<twb>dunken32: you have not told us what the error is.
02:22<dunken32>bios is telling me " no operative system found"
02:23<dunken32>when booting up the system
02:23<dunken32>after doing a fresh install of debian
02:23<twb>dunken32: did you install grub onto the MBR?
02:23<dunken32>yes
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02:23<twb>dunken32: you indicated that there were multiple drives. Which drive's MBR did you install grub onto?
02:23<twb>Is the BIOS configured to boot off the HDD?
02:23<dunken32>same drive
02:24<dunken32>as the install
02:24<dunken32>bios is doubled checked
02:24<twb>dunken32: why do you think it installed on the same drive as the boot partition?
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02:27<dunken32>did reinstall it , did pull all other drives in the system execpt for the boot disk
02:28<dunken32>doing a fresh install atm here , only 1 hd attached
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02:31<rvca2>dunken32: what you might try doing is use the first install disk into the drive and when getting into the boot prompt type "linux root=/dev/hda2" (exchange hda2 to whatever your hda is) and if it installed ok you'll be able to run GRUB configuration.
02:32<rvca2>dunken32: i think...
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02:33<dunken32>rvca2: im not getting that far :( just after system checks im getting that error with os is missing
02:34<rvca2>dunken32: did you use the install disk? as if doing a new install and typing "linux root=/dev/hdawhatever" when it says: "boot:"?
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02:38<dunken32>ill try that just after ´the fresh instsall is ready ,
02:38<dunken32>rvca2: should be done in some mins here
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02:38<dunken32>rvca2: should i install GRUB ?
02:39<rvca2>yep
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02:41<dunken32>rvca2: did get a diffrent msg this time , error loading operating system
02:42<rvca2>dunken32: is your hd old? Just wondering if it may be damaged.
02:42<twb>dunken32: did you only have one HDD inserted when you did the install?
02:42<twb>dunken32: is this a peecee, or something "exotic" like a PowerPC mac?
02:43<dunken32>yes only 1 hd
02:44<dunken32>i could do the install in another hd thats no problem to see if the hd is faulty
02:44<dunken32>its a standard pc
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02:45<dunken32>does it matter how many hds that ive got in the system while doing the install ?
02:45<dunken32>aslong as i install on the "right" hd
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02:45<twb>dunken32: well, grub might foolishly install onto the wrong MBR
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02:46<dunken32>okie , ill try it once again
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02:55<josh_>i get this when i start kiba-dock http://pastebin.com/m4bea7634
02:56<josh_>i dont knwo what i means
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03:05<josh_>hello?
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03:05<simonrvn>hi
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03:05<josh_>anyone know about kiba-dock
03:06<simonrvn>not i
03:06<simonrvn>just wait, someone will answer you, or you could try #debian-kde
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03:07<twb>kiba does not appear to be available in my repository.
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03:09<dunken32>twb: it seems to work here know , didchange sata port only
03:09<twb>dunken32: jolly good.
03:09<dunken32>weird problem but ...
03:10<dunken32>okie to pm ?
03:10<twb>No.
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03:11<dunken32>did install xxx sata drives in the system , and somehow the install wont start if i add more than 10 hdds in the system
03:11<dunken32>when adding the 11 hd , it wont start
03:11<josh_>kiba-dock is a kde app?
03:12<dunken32>will try after the install to add all hds into the system and see what happends
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03:14<twb>dunken32: you have 11 SATA drives on one bus?
03:14<twb>dunken32: I thought you said this was an ordinary peecee.
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03:31<dunken32>twb: "not that ordinary" :) mobo got 8 sata ports , and using a cc card aswell
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03:32<twb>I hope you've considered airflow and cooling issues
03:33<dunken32>midichassi
03:33<dunken32>na using a http://www.pricerunner.se/pl/186-565456/Chassin/Chieftec-JS-1500-Server-ATX-MicroATX-EATX-Black-priser
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04:20<mhz>need help with old computer
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04:20<mhz>anyone online
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04:21<fxiny>!ask
04:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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04:32<twb>"Don't ask to ask unless you're prepared to ask to ask to ask"
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04:34<fxiny>yes ?
04:34<fxiny>:)
04:34<mhz>will debian run on a 400mhz 256mb ram 32 mb vram machine
04:34<mhz>will debian run on a 400mhz 256mb ram 32 mb vram machine
04:35<weasel>clearly you need to ask another 3 times.
04:35<mhz> see http://www.oftc.net/oftc/NickServ/CertFP for
04:35<mhz>[14:03] - more information.
04:35<mhz>[14:03] -
04:35<mhz>[14:03] - 2007-0
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04:35<twb>I can boot with 32MB of RAM, but not run anything.
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04:36<mhz>so you kick me good
04:36<mhz> see http://www.oftc.net/oftc/NickServ/CertFP for
04:36<mhz>[14:03] - more information.
04:36<mhz>[14:03] -
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04:36<mhz> see http://www.oftc.net/oftc/NickServ/CertFP for
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04:37<twb>What a dweeb.
04:38<weasel>creyon_, OdyX, dwatson, elky, stroyan, mafflix, rockstar: I'd upgrade to a better client if I were you.
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04:38<papp>whois turul64
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04:42<twb>weasel: you mean, ones not compiled by Ubuntu?
04:42<weasel>twb: no, ones not falling over when they see a mode -qo <mask> <nick>
04:43<twb>Oh, I had QUITs elided.
04:43<twb>Everyone knows good IRC clients (as all apps) are Emacs-based!
04:43<weasel>what else are you smoking?
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04:44<twb>weasel: coal, mostly.
04:45<twb>Nuclear power got a bad rap after Chernobyl.
04:46<click170>I'm working on something where I am frequently putting the eth0 interface in promiscuous mode, and I'm considering just using a daemon to simply keep it in promiscuous mode. There would also be advantages in the form of more accurate statistics if I did this. I'm wondering though, can anyone think of a good reason not to have the interface in prom. mode indefinitely?
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04:46<weasel>it causes load.
04:46<weasel>since your kernel has to deal with all the packets.
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04:47<click170>Good point, I had not considered that.
04:47<weasel>that being said, there are plenty of use cases for running in promisc mode all the time.
04:47<weasel>bridging, arpwatch, etc..
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04:47<fxiny>flooding b*stards :P
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04:49<click170>Well to be more specific, the task is to be able to measure the bandwidth and adjust traffic control accordingly. If I used a daemon to stay in prom mode then I would have more accuracy and faster reaction time then if I periodically check, don't you think?
04:50<weasel>measure which bw?
04:50<click170>The bandwidth on my gateway.
04:50<weasel>and no, I think it's ridiculous to dump the entire traffic to just find out how much you're pushing.
04:50<click170>Not just how much I'm pushing, but what I'm pushing.
04:51<click170>I'm talking about very fine traffic control.
04:51<weasel>use netfilter to count, if you have to.
04:51<weasel>or just set proper tc rules.
04:52<click170>I intend to setup dynamic traffic shaping. If another machine is added to the network, if there is a sustained high transfer rate, I want to adapt the tc rules.
04:53<yang>click170: for a quick measurement you can also try iftop/iptraf
04:53<click170>yang: thanks
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04:54<click170>And doesn't iptables act in front of netfilter, to have more control of the packets that are processed?
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05:42<twb>Can you change the passphrase of an ssh rsa key, or do you have to make a whole new one?
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05:49<NinjaMan>does anyone know how to build a deb package from a modified deb source?
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05:51<NinjaMan>not to worry - I found http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/20
05:52<twb>NinjaMan: dpkg-buildpackage
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05:52<twb>apt-get source foo; cd */; sensible-editor debian/changelog; dpkg-buildpackage
05:53<NinjaMan>twb: cheers
05:53<twb>NinjaMan: also ask #debian-mentors
05:54<twb>Remember to add a changelog entry to bump e.g. 4.2-4 to 4.2-4+ninjaman
05:54<jesperj>When I try the line "deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib" or "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib" I get the same error when I do "aptitude update": "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room \n E: Fel uppstod vid hantering av telnet (NewVersion1) \n E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.se.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages \n E: Paketlistorna eller statusfilen
05:54<jesperj> kunde inte tolkas eller öppnas."
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05:55<gsimmons>!tell jesperj -about dynamic mmap
05:56<padski>is ther a debtag to say that a packages works with debtags? ;-)
05:56<jesperj>Thank you very much gsimmons.
05:56<jesperj>Have a good day.
05:57<NinjaMan>twb: what's the difference between #debian & #debian-mentors channels?
05:57<padski>!mentors
05:57<dpkg>rumour has it, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/
06:01<jesperj>I was going to try the "xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd" package from sid, but it wants me to upgrade way too many systems to sid for me to consider it when I do "apt install" on it.
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06:03<jesperj>The reason I want to try it is because I need a driver that will run my radeon HD 2600 pro card that is able to use the nvidia non-opensource drivers at the same time, but it doesnt seem to be a sollution to that.
06:03<raevol>anyone know if ntfs-3g has irc somewhere?
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06:03<jesperj>Because I have 3 monitors and one nvidia and one ati card, who both are able to run two monitors each
06:03<jesperj>and from what i found I have only been able to do 2 monitors from either card with a non-free driver
06:04<jesperj>or is there a free driver for either card that can run 2 monitors attached to it?
06:04<jesperj>nvidia 950gx2 and radeon hd 2600 pro
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06:05<jesperj>running 950gx2 now with non-free drivers in twinview, so if I can just get like a vesa driver to work with the third monitor on the ati card, that would be enough
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06:05<jesperj>or, if the "xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd" could do what I want when I get it installed?
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06:06<jesperj>and coexist with non-free nvidia drivers?
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06:11<fxiny>twb: ~$ ssh-keygen -p
06:11<twb>fxiny: thanks.
06:11<fxiny>twb: np
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06:27<Graveworm>Hi everyone :). Does anyone use "superkaramba" with "liquid weather" v.15 on "debian etch"? What about the dependencies? I installed almost everything with PyQT in it but "liquid weather" is still complaining about that I don't have "PyQT" installed... What packages do I really need?
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06:29<mhz>iam soory
06:29<mhz>bot
06:30<fxiny>Graveworm: apt-cache search superKaramba > memaid-pyqt ? just guessing
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06:31<twb>Graveworm: you did aptitude install '!~v~npython~nqt' ?
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06:33<fxiny>half a ton of packages !
06:33<fxiny>karamba or crapamba ? :P
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06:37<fxiny>so .i'm checking firebus3-rc1 on etch since last week , gtk2.10 compiled in opt , and yes no crashes , no extensions , no themes . is ok just with google and digg ...
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06:37<Graveworm>fxiny: Hmm.. after installing "memaid-pyqt" "liquid weather" starts without a message but doesn't show anything. I can't even configure it....
06:39<Graveworm>twb: The only package with a "npython" in it I can find is "ironpython"?
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06:39<twb>Graveworm: I made no mention of npython.
06:39<fxiny>Graveworm: i'm not runnng kde atm but wmii . twb suggestion adds 21 packages not jyst one
06:40<Graveworm>fxiny: Yea... Superkaramba looks nice but it's really annoying with all it's dependencies....:\
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06:42<fxiny>Graveworm: my direction will be xmonad neighborhood gardens in lenny , kde and gnome are relics of the past so is eyecandy
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06:42<Graveworm>twb: Sry, I'm not very conversant with installing packages via aptitude on the console... what does "'!~v~npython~nqt'" mean? I thought it's a search pattern?
06:43<fxiny>i strongly believe a window manager must manage windows
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06:43<twb>Graveworm: it is a search pattern.
06:43<twb>Graveworm: ~v matches virtual packages; !~v negates it; ~nfoo matches packages with foo in their name.
06:44<twb>Thus, the whole pattern matches all non-virtual packages with both "python" and "qt" in their name.
06:44<Graveworm>Ah thanks :).... OK. I'll try that.
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06:46<fxiny>Graveworm: but i am always happy when foss developpers show they're skill with kde , gnome or xfce4
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06:49<marcus__>I'm getting kernel oops when installing testing on a new amd quad core (9850) - is this a known problem?
06:50<marcus__>Boot goes fine but when formatting second partition to ext3 it goes boom "Unable to handle kernel paging request at ....."
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06:50<marcus__>also tried ubuntu 8.04 - same thing - tried another (completly new, 1 TB sata) disk - same thing
06:51<twb>Did you format an active swap partition?
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06:51<marcus__>yes, but 8 GB of ram would be enough.. also did ramtesting - no errors
06:51<fxiny>8GB ? like new /. hardware
06:51<twb>No, I mean did the error occur because you had an active swap partition on, say, /dev/sda2, and then ran "mke2fs /dev/sda2"
06:52<marcus__>really new :-D
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06:52<twb>Also, I find your specs offensively large.
06:52<fxiny>indeed : very /. ed ;)
06:53<marcus__>no.. part 1: / 50 GB; part 2: swap 8 GB ; part 3: 500 GB; the rest is empty (for use with lvm later)
06:53<marcus__>hehe
06:53<marcus__>but I got no use if I can't install anything on it.. :-/
06:54<marcus__>the disk was completely new so no swap before
06:54<fxiny>the rest ? lvm ? wtf !
06:54<twb>mke2fs should not cause paging oopses
06:54<marcus__>for virtual machines and other stuff :-)
06:54<fxiny>that's cool
06:55<twb>That you're getting a paging oops suggests that you're killing a swap area, or that your ram/swap area is in some way faulty.
06:55<marcus__>twb, but it does...
06:55<beer>http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/<- with all those Release-critical bugs in lenny would you belive that lenny would be released on time in Sept?
06:55<twb>Lenny has an ETA?
06:55<marcus__>twb, I don't think that d-i activates any swap during install -right?
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06:56<julius>hiho
06:56<beer>yes lennt have a ETA http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/02/msg00002.html
06:56<twb>marcus__: I don't know offhand, I suspect it does. Ask #debian-boot
06:56<marcus__>twb, this might be interesting; from oops: Pid 12591, comm: sh Tainted:G D 2.6.25-1-amd64
06:57<marcus__>twb, OK thanks. Will try #d-b instead
06:57<twb>marcus__: unless you can tell me what that pid was, it's not very helpful.
06:57<julius>do you know about any probles with ejabberd and tls in etch(pidgin and gajim get an ssl handshake failure) ?
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06:57<julius>oops sry
06:58<fxiny>why not ? i heard Sep this year is the 2008 WIR month
06:58<beer>WIR??
06:58<fxiny>yes
06:58<marcus__>twb, I'll see if it's still alive..
06:58<fxiny>only debian has WIR
06:58<fxiny>!wir
06:58<dpkg>i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH
06:59<beer>k
07:00<marcus__>twb, getting oops when doing ps aux | grep 12951...
07:00<twb>marcus__: maybe your hardware isn't properly supported. That's quite common with brand new kit
07:01<fxiny>try kmuto
07:01<fxiny>you'll never know
07:01<marcus__>kmuto?
07:02<fxiny>!kmuto
07:02<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
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07:02<fxiny>ops
07:02<fxiny>only etch
07:02<marcus__>2.6.25 kernel?
07:02<fxiny>dunno . my bad i forgot it was for etch/sarge
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07:03<fxiny>damned 88 !
07:03<fxiny>every day
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07:05<Graveworm>Ahh.... after deleting all the old directories containing "liquid weather" it finally works... Ok... Thanks for help :)
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07:06<Graveworm>Well then... I'll have may breakfast now :)...
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07:33<twb>Is it possible to edit wiki.debian.org without having to use a browser, like git-core (for ikiwiki) or mvs (for mediawiki)?
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07:41<obnibolongo>wth?
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07:44<sbrandollo>salve a tutti, spero sia il canale in italiano
07:45<sbrandollo>hi people, I hope that here is a italian chan
07:45<twb>!it
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07:45<sbrandollo>oki
07:45<twb>Hmm.
07:45<sbrandollo>sono nuovo;)
07:45<twb>sbrandollo: try #debian-it
07:46<sbrandollo>oki
07:46<sbrandollo>thx
07:46<sbrandollo>but i try to explain my problem in english
07:46<twb>You can do that.
07:47<sbrandollo>My system was shutdown alone lasta night
07:47<sbrandollo>anche i check some error in log file,,,, and i found this . ACPI: Critical trip point
07:48<twb>sbrandollo: is it a laptop?
07:48<sbrandollo>yes
07:48<twb>sbrandollo: was it very low on battery?
07:49<sbrandollo>it's broken
07:49<twb>The battery was full? ACPI was wrong?
07:50<sbrandollo>the battery was full
07:51<sbrandollo>but the Critical trip point is rerear for battery or processor?
07:51<twb>rerear?
07:51<sbrandollo>sorry .... associated
07:52<sbrandollo>associated to battery or processor?
07:52<twb>I don't know. I guess with the battery.
07:54<twb>From google, I found http://acpi.sourceforge.net/documentation/thermal.html
07:54<twb>sbrandollo: I think the laptop said "I'm too hot!" and shut down to avoid permanent damage.
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07:56<sbrandollo>Yes I know, but i don't understand why the fun not working for its job
07:56<sbrandollo>*fan
07:57<twb>I don't know, sorry.
07:58<sbrandollo>in the log file there is written " Temperature 97 C "
07:58<NinjaMan>is anyone here mysql from lenny and getting the following error on startup - "ERROR 1054 (42S22) at line 2: Unknown column 'select count(*) into @discard from ' in 'field list'" ?
07:58<twb>That's really bad
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07:58<sbrandollo>eheh .... oki thx again
07:59<NinjaMan>sbrandollo: 97 C - sweet mary mother of jesus !!!
07:59<sbrandollo>see u
07:59<twb>NinjaMan: have you asked the #mysql people (probably on Freenode)?
07:59<sbrandollo>:D
07:59<NinjaMan>twb: no didn't think of that :P
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08:03<elky>weasel, my client isnt the problem, that was a bip exploit.
08:03<NinjaMan>twb: this may seem like a stupid question, but what channel are we in right now? (I'm using pidgin as my IRC client and I can't tell)
08:03<twb>#debian on OFTC.
08:04<NinjaMan>twb : OFTC?
08:04<twb>elky: so why didn't it affect me?
08:04<twb>!tell NinjaMan about OFTC
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08:04<elky>twb, version?
08:05<twb>GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.9) of 2008-05-11 on elegiac, modified by Debian
08:05<NinjaMan>twb: ok, but I am on irc.debian.org
08:05<twb>NinjaMan: that's an alias for oftc.net
08:05<NinjaMan>twb: ok
08:05<elky>twb, um... bip version
08:06<twb>elky: what is a bip?
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08:06<elky>twb, a personal irc proxy
08:06<twb>Proxies are still clients
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08:07<twb>Thus this claim is false: 22:03 <elky> weasel, my client isnt the problem, that was a bip exploit.
08:07<elky>twb, in a way yes. the bip proxy is more bouncer than client.
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08:08<weasel>twb: it's not an exploit. your client is simply broken
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08:09<twb>weasel: presumably not MY client
08:09<weasel>sorry, wrong nick :)
08:09<weasel>elky's client is broken
08:09<elky>weasel, elky's bip proxy is broken. im asking what the string was so i can report it to the bip devs
08:10<twb>18:37 *** weasel MODE -qo mhz!*@* weasel
08:10<elky>i strongly doubt that.
08:10<twb>Doubt away.
08:10<fxiny>i can confirm . i was here :)
08:10<weasel>elky: you can doubt all you want, but it's what's causing the problem
08:11<twb>Maybe you should do it again to convince him >snicker<
08:11<elky>weasel, my logs contain numerous lines after that before i reconnected
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08:11<twb>elky: my logs show you quitting immediately after that line
08:12<elky>twb, mhz joins before i quit
08:12<twb>elky: the first step is admitting you have a problem
08:12<broken>Uhm debian just reported to me that 100% of / is being used ... i'm not sure what I can do about this, anyway to check what is eating up all the space?
08:12<twb>broken: do you have any other filesystems?
08:13<twb>broken: e.g. /home, /usr, /var ?
08:13<broken>yes
08:13<fxiny>a torrent or some dvd ripping app ?
08:13<elky>twb, the first step is believing me when i say i not only saw the line, but saw mhz join, someone else quit then mhz quit afterwards.
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08:13<broken>twb, I just have / and /home
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08:13<twb>broken: OK, so start by doing "apt-get autoclean"
08:13<broken>I didn't realize my / partition was only 6.5gb ><
08:13<broken>ok
08:13<twb>broken: then, check /var/log for blowouts
08:14<broken>Autoclean freed up 20% ...
08:14<twb>You might want to put a limit on your apt cache, then.
08:16<broken>Anyway to resize the partition?
08:17<twb>Yes.
08:17<broken>How would you recommend I do that?
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08:17<twb>First, go back in time and use LVM when doing the initial install.
08:18<broken>cough..
08:18<fxiny>or leave a spare backup partition at the end
08:18<twb>Let me know when you're ready for step #2.
08:20<broken>Meh I should be fine with 1.7gb free.
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08:20<twb>I agree.
08:20<twb>I typically only have a 2 or 4GB root partition.
08:21<fxiny>same , 3.5/4
08:21<fxiny>i can split boot var or anything , anytime
08:21<fxiny>one / makes backups easy
08:22<fxiny>but playing with multipartitions schemes was fun
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08:36<g3>hello, need some help on OpenVPN
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08:46<xukun>what do I need to put xorg.conf so I can use my crt televison as a second monitor?
08:46<twb>xukun: insufficient data
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08:48<xukun>twb, I cant watch dvd using my s-video of my laptop, I have ati x300 with tvout and crt 72cm wide-screen tv
08:48<twb>That's a start.
08:49<twb>What does xrandr -q say? (Pastebin it)
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08:50<xukun>twb, I broke my x config. I need to restart first, back a sec
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08:53<u53r>hi
08:53<u53r>is there a way to resize the boot.img file
08:53<twb>What boot.img file/
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08:54<u53r>the one used to install debian from usb disk
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08:55<u53r>see the step 4.4.1 in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en#usb-add-iso
08:55<xukun>twb, http://paste.ubuntu.com/14320/
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08:56<twb>xukun: you realize we don't support Ubuntu/
08:56<xukun>twb, no I did now knew that
08:56<u53r>i have a 4 gb usb drive but after writing it to the usb it shows 256M .. n i want to fit debian 650M iso on it ... twb du know a way out ?
08:57<u53r>resizing the boot.img file .. is it possible ?
08:57<u53r>to make it possible
08:57<twb>u53r: why not just do the install, then blow away the boot.img on the USB key?
08:57<xukun>twb, I can always go to ubuntu but I you can help that would be nice
08:57<twb>xukun: I may help you if you are using Debian.
08:58<u53r>i dont have a cd man .. i want to install debian via a usb
08:58<xukun>twb, thanks but no debian for me
08:59<twb>xukun: I will not help you in #debian if you are using a cheap cowboy knock-off that includes beta software in their "stable" release.
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08:59<u53r>:D
08:59<twb>u53r: I don't understand why you want to include an CD boot image on a USB key, which already has its own boot data.
09:00<u53r>well i tried http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en#usb-add-iso and during boot it needs a debian iso to install
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09:00<twb>hmm, lemme actually read that now ^_^;;
09:00<xukun>twb, I don't agree with you, but it is free world
09:00<twb>Oh, you're doing that
09:00<u53r>ya
09:01<twb>u53r: well OK, I didn't want to say so, but you can probably just edit the partition table and then resize2fs
09:01<u53r>how ?
09:01<u53r>tht wud be intersting
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09:01<u53r>~interesting
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09:02<twb>u53r: well, boot.img is almost certainly a full-disk image, meaning it contains a partition table and a single partition.
09:03<twb>If you just do "parted /dev/sda" or whatever your USB key is, delete and create a new partition 1, then resize2fs /dev/sda1.
09:03<twb>You might even be able to do all steps in parted now, I don't know.
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09:04<Johnpet>could someone help pls? installed on dell inspiron 1525. can't get ethernet card to work. broadcom driver wldnt install during installation from dvd. i did modprobe b44 then ifconfig eth0 up. card is now showing as active under network settings, but cant connect. i have set to dhcp. ifconfig shows eth0. it does have errors after tx packets. i dont know wht tht means or whether its relevant. thanks
09:04<u53r>well .. i tried tht but fdisk gives me garbage output for the partition
09:05*fxiny sends a second hand "wild horses.flac" to mick-twb-jag
09:05<twb>u53r: OK, maybe it's not a partition table after all.
09:05<u53r>ya seems so
09:05<twb>u53r: does /proc/partitions mention /dev/sda1?
09:05<twb>u53r: if not, does mount -t ext2 -o ro /dev/sda /mnt work?
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09:06<u53r>if i plug in my usb
09:06<u53r>i see a 256M drive
09:06<u53r>no partitions
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09:07<u53r>i simply have to do mount /dev/sdc /mnt/tmp
09:07<twb>OK.
09:07<u53r>is there a way to edit the partition table/etc to resize it
09:07<twb>Confirm that /dev/sdc is ext2/3 formatted, not something weird like vfat
09:07<twb>There is no partition table
09:08<u53r>vfat
09:08<u53r>probably
09:08<twb>PLEASE don't guess
09:08<u53r>4.4.1 says FAT
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09:08<twb>I'm interested in what the thing is, not what the docs claim
09:08<twb>Docs lie, as you will learn
09:08<u53r>k
09:08<u53r>lemme check
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09:09<u53r>vfat it is
09:09<twb>OK, I don't now how to resize that.
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09:09<u53r>is thr a way to edit the boot.img file
09:09<twb>Curiously, the sid USB installer I got for my Eee PC was ext2 with a partition table
09:09<Johnpet>anyone able to help with the ethernet card pls?
09:09<u53r>hmm
09:10<twb>Maybe pop into #debian-eeepc and ask how they made their image
09:10<twb>Johnpet: yeah yeah
09:10<Johnpet>oh ok tyhanks, ill wait
09:10<twb>Johnpet: so you got a DHCPACK?
09:10<Johnpet>whats that?
09:10<twb>Johnpet: OK, I'll slow down,.
09:11<twb>Johnpet: does "/sbin/ifconfig eth0" report an IP address on the second line, after "inet"?
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09:11<twb>I assume eth0 is the NIC in question
09:11<Johnpet>yeah it is eth0
09:12-!-mode/#debian [+l 361] by debhelper
09:12<twb>OK, now answer the first question.
09:12<Johnpet>but says not a directory
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09:12<twb>You're doing something wrong.
09:13<twb>You realize that you don't type the double quotes (") around "/sbin/ifconfig eth0"?
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09:14<Johnpet>twb: yes sorry i was ( ia dded a / )there's no line for inet
09:14<twb>OK.
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09:14<Johnpet>(im a bit slow as im juggling two laptops)
09:14<twb>As root, open /etc/network/interfaces in your favourite editor.
09:15<twb>Actually, before that we should ensure that the module gets modprobed again after you reboot.
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09:15<Simon89>ciao
09:15<Simon89>!list
09:15<dpkg>one warez list being sent to simon89
09:15<twb>Johnpet: you did "modprobe b44" right? That made eth0 appear in the /sbin/ifconfig -a list?
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09:16<Johnpet>twb
09:16<Johnpet>yeah i did modprobe and i now have that file open
09:16<fxiny>favourite editor ? typical emacs user ;)
09:16<twb>Johnpet: OK, make sure b44 is listed, on its own line, in /etc/modules
09:16<fxiny>can't say vim ;)
09:16<twb>Johnpet: this will make sure it gets modprobed when you reboot
09:17<Johnpet>twb: yes its listed in modules
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09:17<twb>Good.
09:17<twb>No back to interfaces.
09:17<Johnpet>ok
09:17<twb>You wish eth0 to be configured by DHCP, yes?
09:17<Johnpet>yes
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09:21<Johnpet>'
09:21<twb>OK, make sure the lines "auto eth0" and "inet eth0 dhcp" are in interfaces
09:21<twb>Sorry, make that "allow-hotplug eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
09:22<Johnpet>ok auto eth0 is there and then theres a line iface eth0 inet dhcp
09:22<Johnpet>should i change auto eth0 to "allow-hotplug eth0"
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09:22<twb>Doesn't matter much
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09:23<Johnpet>oh well then it was already there
09:23<twb>Now as root do "ifdown eth0" and "ifup eth0"
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09:23<Johnpet>i havent changed anything
09:26<Johnpet>it says ''ifdown: interface ifup not configured ifdown: interface eth0 not confiured
09:26<twb>That's expected
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09:27<Johnpet>also there is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid with pid 2695 killed old client process, removed pid file
09:28<Johnpet>ok and now when i run ifconfig eth0 isnt listed
09:29<twb>You ran "ifup eth0"?
09:29<twb>You should get something like
09:29<twb>DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6
09:30<Johnpet>yeah
09:30<twb>DHCPACK on eth0 from 109.14.23.254 with 109.14.23.12
09:30<Johnpet>it does that when i boot up as well now it has different intervals
09:30<Johnpet>one line interval 6 then 11 11 14 etc
09:30<twb>That's it backing off
09:31<twb>It's supposed to get a DHCP *response* after the first DISCOVER
09:31<twb>If you get four DISCOVERs and then a "backgrounding", it means nothing is replying
09:31<twb>That means it's time to check your cabling and your upstream DHCP server
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09:33<Johnpet>no dhcp offers
09:33<twb>23:31 <twb> That means it's time to check your cabling and your upstream DHCP server
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09:33<twb>If you unplug and replug the cable, then dmesg | tail should say something like "link lost" and then "link up"
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09:34<Johnpet>yeah but its working for this laptop and the cable was working 30 mins ago on this computer
09:34<twb>If you don't get that, the cable is busted
09:34<twb>...or the port is busted, of course.
09:35<Johnpet>i do that dmesg and it just mentions bluetooth
09:35<Johnpet>brand new laptop
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09:36<twb>We *are* talking about ethernet, right? The four-pin, cat5e cable stuff?
09:36<bighornram>what is the package name to install macromedia flash in sid?
09:36<twb>Not wifi or ip-over-firewire or anything wacky like that?
09:36<Johnpet>yeah im new ish to linux, not to computers
09:36<twb>bighornram: flashplugin-nonfree, IIRC
09:36<bighornram>thanks
09:36<twb>Johnpet: OK, I don't know why you aren't getting a response
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09:37<twb>Johnpet: you're saying you get one from the same cable with a different box?
09:37<twb>Johnpet: perhaps you need to run some userland daemon to make your funky non-Free NIC work.
09:37<Johnpet>any ideas what else i could check or whereelse i could look?
09:37<twb>Johnpet: I'd run lspci | grep -i network, then google for the string you get after the PCI ID
09:38<Johnpet>yeah i used this same cable on this computer 30 minutes ago to check
09:38<twb>Sorry, grep Ethernet
09:38<Johnpet>ok thanks
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09:38<twb>e.g. for "03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Attansic Technology Corp. L2 100 Mbit Ethernet Adapter (rev a0)" I'd google for "Attansic Technology Corp. L2 100 Mbit Ethernet Adapter (rev a0)"
09:45<Johnpet>think im going to have to try another flavour. thanks annyway
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10:08<dataangel>hmmm
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10:10<twb>Er, yay for evangelism.
10:10<dataangel>well i just switched from xubuntu 8.04 and was so disappointed in the quailty of the release after trying mint as well i have switched to debian, i am impressed with the package selection but unimpressed in the fact that after adding xcfe a lot of packages refuse to show up on the menus after they are installed (well at least on xcfe, I havent looked on gnome, i am not a fan of gnome or kde.
10:11<twb>dataangel: there might be a "Debian" submenu that contains the full tree.
10:11<dataangel>the gui on the install never showed up as well . and i can tell that just like on xubuntu the kqemu acclerator is not working
10:11<twb>kqemu WFM
10:12<twb>I don't know what a "gui on the install" is.
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10:12<dataangel>even though i cant see the message in a window because the qemu gui control package dosent show up in my menus
10:12<Flakk>hello people I have a very basic question. I would like to install lenny to a new hard disk (not even formatted). I would like to do it as much from the WEB as possible. But it seems to me that to start with I still need to burn a CDROM (a debian installer, or smth like that)? Is it correct? How should I proceed actually?
10:12<twb>What gui control package?
10:13<dataangel>installgui - thing on netinstallation iso and also the xcfe one
10:13<twb>qemu does not provide a GUI.
10:13<dataangel>i know, there are about 3 available, i have installed all 3 only to see one in my menus hang on i shall look
10:13<twb>dataangel: are you saying that you typed "installgui" at the boot: prompt and didn't get a GTK installer?
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10:14<fxiny>kqemu ? is modprobe kqemu giving you errors ?
10:14<twb>Flakk: get the mini.iso for etch, do a basic install, change sources.list to point to testing (lenny), then dist-upgrade.
10:14<twb>Flakk: IME the testing/unstable installers are flaky.
10:15<twb>Flakk: assuming i386, http://ftp.debian.org/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/gtk-miniiso/mini.iso
10:16<twb>Flakk: that's a 12MB download, everything else is downloaded by the installer on an as-needed basis
10:16<Flakk>twb: thanks! so you would recommend somehow to burn the DVDs?
10:16<Flakk>yes i386
10:16<twb>Flakk: no point burning a DVD for a 12MB .iso
10:16<twb>Flakk: just use a CD
10:17<twb>Flakk: I only know how to burn CDs on GNU/Linux.
10:17<Flakk>well you say "flaky"
10:17<dataangel>wow, no . the most annoying thing right now is i am on a 80x25 screen and the usual 'dpkg-reconfigure console-tools' is not allowing me to set my console font .. i like the 8 pixel high one, i would also like to boot into a framebuffer at 1024x768 i used to achevie this with vga=792 ( i think) using grub
10:17<Flakk>I use k3b
10:17<twb>Yes, the *lenny* installer is flaky, so first you install etch and then upgrade.
10:17<twb>dataangel: it's console-setup
10:18<dataangel>ah hang on
10:18<twb>dataangel: grub legacy config is in /boot/grub/menu.lst
10:18<Flakk>twb: I have already etch, but I thought would be easier to get lenny from the very beginning
10:19<twb>Flakk: upgrading Debian is MUCH easier than reinstalling it
10:19<twb>Fucking audacious wants 40% of my CPU just to play a .flac :-/
10:19<fxiny>hehehe
10:19<fxiny>is voracious :P
10:20<Flakk>twb: yes, i understand, but I will install it on the fresh new hard disk, so why not choose the newest version rather than install the previous and then upgrade
10:20<dataangel>hmm console-setup not installed.. oh god and apt is already running and telling me it dosent need package etc etc etc ..... grrr
10:20<twb>Flakk: etch *is* the newest version
10:20<chealer>Flakk: no, you don't need to burn a CDROM (and FWIW, you can't burn a CD-ROM anyway)
10:21<Flakk>twb: you mean the newest stable version. but I installed etch when it was yet testing and was quite happy with it.
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10:21<\3TATUK>Is there a way to make cpufreq change automatically in accordance with the CPU temp?
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10:22<twb>\3TATUK: try the cpufreq package.
10:22<\3TATUK>i have cpufreq
10:22<twb>cpufreqd
10:23<\3TATUK>but i have to change it manually
10:23<vitalij>hello from latvia
10:23<\3TATUK>twb: nevermind i don't have cpufreqd .. i'll try it
10:24<twb>I just set my governor to ondemand at boot, which minimizes the CPU frequency based on workload
10:24<\3TATUK>well
10:24<dataangel>oh thank god i hate 80x25 i have hated it ever since i got a miggy
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10:24<dataangel>that was eh 20 years ago :)
10:24<\3TATUK>twb: for some reason if i usp ondemand, it always runs at 100% ghz capacity even if i'm not using a lot of cpu
10:25<dataangel>i take it that you dont support xcfe on debian as gnome is the "offical" desktop, am i right?
10:25<fxiny>nope
10:25<fxiny>xfce4 is nice
10:26<\3TATUK>twb: same with conservative
10:26<Flakk>twb: actually I have found the "mini.iso" for lenny. I lives in the http://ftp.debian.org/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ Do you mean it will work less smooth than the etch installer?
10:26<\3TATUK>dataangel: i've run xubuntu for a while ... do you have any specific question?
10:26<dataangel>intresting, i love xcfe4 but i am missing those lovely transparent windows i had in xbuttto
10:27<chealer>dataangel: no. GNOME isn't the official desktop
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10:27<\3TATUK>it's the default
10:27<\3TATUK>so essentially the official
10:27<fxiny>is not default
10:27<\3TATUK>as far as debian goes
10:27<\3TATUK>how is it not?
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10:28<dataangel>guess i should switch from stable to testing, i am also very concerned because apt has listed a bunch of packages to remove, some of them i believe are a big part of gnome and or gtk stuff, the list is too long to post here without flooding the channel
10:28<\3TATUK>fxiny: read this phrase from wikipedia:
10:28<dataangel>36 packages
10:28<fxiny>average user you must install something : cd1 gnome , 2 kde . 3 xcfce
10:28<\3TATUK>Debian's current release offers three different official CDs, one for each major desktop environment: GNOME, the default, along with KDE and Xfce as alternatives.
10:28<twb>Flakk: just try it and see
10:28<\3TATUK>"GNOME, the default" ******
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10:29<dataangel>yep i treid the xcfe one and decided to try the netinstall iso instead (the 170 meg or so one)
10:29<fxiny>\3TATUK: i am a user and as a user i don't see any official desktop
10:29<\3TATUK>i'm not concerned about 'official'
10:29<Flakk>twb: so for you the easiest way is to net0install etch, and the upgrade, did I get it right?
10:29<\3TATUK>when it comes to debian
10:29<\3TATUK>GNOME is the default
10:29<fxiny>idon't even se a desktop cause i can totally avoid installing a desktop
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10:30<\3TATUK>yes but if you avoid messing with any default options concerning the desktop at all
10:30<\3TATUK>you get gnome
10:30<twb>\3TATUK: netinst is a lot bigger than mini.iso
10:30<twb>Sorry, wrong nick
10:30<dataangel>what i found most intresting about the install is i expected to get asked about what packages i wanted to install as i had asked for a expert install, and only got a choice of roles for my machine
10:30<\3TATUK>np
10:30<Zathras>hi. I am upgrading from something in the middle between etch/lenny/sid to Lenny. I have 2 issues: in Gnome some stuff is gone. Especially the e bottombar where the apps get docked and the screenselecter is normally. Other issue is that phpldapadmin can not be removed even with a dpkg --purge
10:30<Zathras>any ideas please?
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10:30<fxiny>there is freedom in getting 1 2 or 3 cd , so where is the official one ? do you thing 1 as a number is more officila then 2 ?
10:31<\3TATUK>Zathras: did you try `aptitude purge phpldapadmin` ?
10:31<fxiny>i myself run fluxbox and wmii+any tiling windows managers i can grab , i have a gnome and a kde as well
10:31<dataangel>where are the md5 sums on the download page to verify that the iso image downloaded correctly
10:32<twb>Zathras: WHY can't it be removed?
10:32<dataangel>i also watched update manager disappear from my gnome desktop, that was cute .
10:32<dataangel>or i should say from my gnome menus
10:32<dataangel>after using it once
10:32<\3TATUK>fxiny: the recommended install method is netinst. with default netinst options you get gnome!
10:33<Flakk>twb: ok, thanx for the advice and for the address of the disk
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10:33<Zathras>hmm. dpkg (which is at a lower level failed and) ended the process. aptitude purge did fail too but other operations on packages continued
10:33<\3TATUK>i'm looking to migrate to fluxbox+3ddesktop
10:33<Zathras>I will have to wait a while to get the message again
10:34<fxiny>\3TATUK: so what ? gnome is fine . i don't run it but hell i do remember how it was years ago , saying gnome is official sounds like pushing gnome instead of say kde or xcfe
10:34<dataangel>right time to go find those vga codes
10:34<dataangel>and get out of 80x50 or 80x60 or whatever i am in
10:34<\3TATUK>fxiny: again, we are in #debian
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10:34<\3TATUK>when it comes to DEBIAN
10:34<\3TATUK>GNOME is the default
10:34<Zathras>Removing phpldapadmin ...
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10:35<\3TATUK>personally, i prefer xcfe > gnome > kde
10:35<fxiny>\3TATUK: default is not offcial
10:35<Zathras>Configuration syntax error detected, not starting/reloading..\
10:35<\3TATUK>but that's besides the point. the point is gnome is debian's default
10:35<Zathras>PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20060613/ldap.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20060613/ldap.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
10:35<\3TATUK>fxiny: i never said defauilt == official
10:35<dataangel>sounds like a directive from a bunch of desktop interface nazis "GNOME IS THE DEFAULT" :) ha ha
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10:36<\3TATUK>i don't care how it sounds, i just speak truth
10:36<\3TATUK>i would prefer xfce to be debian's default
10:36<\3TATUK>but again, i'm just stating facts
10:36<chealer>dataangel: which iso?
10:36<chealer><\3TATUK> it's the default
10:37<chealer>[2008-05-24 10:26:40] <\3TATUK> so essentially the official
10:37<\3TATUK>'essentially'
10:37<\3TATUK>not '=='
10:37<wnd>oh give it a break already :-)
10:37<\3TATUK>:)
10:37<fxiny>\3TATUK: to me . all 3 desktops are good at showing foss developpers skills . i love none , i don't have anymore the feeling such desktops are the right thing
10:37<fxiny>they are boring
10:38<\3TATUK>yeah dwm is pretty cool ..
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10:38<wnd>fvwm2!
10:38<\3TATUK>but if i hear someone say gnome isn't debian's default, i'm obviously going to interject simply because it's a false statement
10:39<\3TATUK>just as if someone says debian is the longest-existing gnu distro
10:39<\3TATUK>or if someone says 2+2=5
10:39<artista_frustrado>I'm having a few problems with packaging a few scritps
10:39<\3TATUK>unless they speak of extremely high values of 2 ;)
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10:39<artista_frustrado>even though the Makefile seems ok the files are not present in the final .deb package
10:40<wnd>artista_frustrado, what exactly are you trying to do?
10:40<fxiny>\3TATUK: dataangel asked if gnome is the official , nothing wrong . it was a question
10:41<artista_frustrado>wnd, package a few scripts to deploy on a computer lab
10:41<\3TATUK>and i answered, nothing wrong.
10:41<fxiny>i think gnome deserve to be in the cd1
10:41<\3TATUK>i think xfce should :)
10:41<wnd>artista_frustrado, does the packaging involve any compiling?
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10:42<artista_frustrado>I've followed the steps from the maint-guide and it is not working anymore.. the same steps worked until a few weeks ago
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10:43<\3TATUK>fxiny: Mi piace anche il pancake.
10:43<artista_frustrado>wnd, just copying textfiles (bash scripts and some sample files that I put under /usr/share/packagename
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10:43<fxiny>but i think users should read more www.debian.org docs , before grabbing cd1 and complaining there is no kde on it
10:43<fxiny>\3TATUK: i like the pie ;)
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10:43<wnd>artista_frustrado, I have a script to build debian packages out of directory/file structure if that would help
10:43<artista_frustrado>:-)
10:44<twb>wnd: you mean checkinstall?
10:44<\3TATUK>fxiny: Come su cialde? ^_^
10:44<wnd>twb, what is that?-) I have tendency to reinvent wheel.
10:44<artista_frustrado>what bugs me is that the same procedures worked until a few weeks ago
10:44<artista_frustrado>I just can not find the bug on my package
10:44<fxiny>\3TATUK: cialde ? very nice with cream and nutella++ :)
10:44<wnd>ah, no, checkinstall seems to be much more advanced
10:45<wnd>I use my script for things like creating a package for some font files
10:45<\3TATUK>http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
10:45<fxiny>checkinstall ? tough was borked
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10:46<\3TATUK>Io uso di solito in polvere zucchero, cannella, e sciroppo d'acero! ;x
10:47<\3TATUK>(a cialde)
10:47<fxiny>\3TATUK: canadian ? maple sirup ?
10:47<noflash> /ignore -replies \3TATUK
10:47<\3TATUK>Americano.
10:47<fxiny>\3TATUK: i had a big tin last year
10:47<wnd>artista_frustrado, if the "sources" are available online I could try to have a look. I don't really have much else to do right now.
10:49<\3TATUK>noflash: How does -replies function?
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10:50<\3TATUK>Ignores only if I say something directly after someone said something that has my name in it, or even if it's not directly after? ;p
10:51<fxiny>you calling "name" that ? how do you pronounce it :P
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10:52<\3TATUK>In which language?
10:52<fxiny>\3TATUK: is ugly , it sounds like all the damned 88 spammers ;)
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10:52<\3TATUK>88 as in HH?
10:53<\3TATUK>i don't know what an 88 spammer is ..
10:53<fxiny>nope . 88 as in @88.244.7.151] has quit [autokilled: This host is believed to be a home of spammers
10:53<\3TATUK>but, it english.. it's pronounced: ztadik
10:54<Gekz>88 is what country?
10:54<fxiny>tatuk alike
10:54<fxiny>:P
10:54<fxiny>\3TATUK: ;)
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10:55<\3TATUK>Gekz: 88.244.7.151 traces to Manisa, Turkey
10:55<Gekz>lol Turkey
10:55<\3TATUK>heh
10:55<\3TATUK>course it could be a proxy
10:56<\3TATUK>or exploited system
10:56<Gekz>its usually a botnet
10:56<Gekz>Turkey is gail.
10:56<Gekz>fail*
10:56<Gekz>5% of all spam last year came from Turkey
10:56<Gekz>>_>
10:56<\3TATUK>fxiny: my nick is meant to represent cyrillic letters
10:56<\3TATUK>Gekz: you can say the same thing about any country ..
10:56<Gekz>\3TATUK: no I can't
10:57<\3TATUK>on a 3d FPS i play, people always complain abound Poland and polish players
10:57<Gekz>Turkey has the highest amount of spamming than any other last year
10:57<Gekz>lol damn Polish
10:57<\3TATUK>i used to access a botnet with 5000+ unique boxes that were mainly in USA
10:57<Gekz>... why
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10:57<artista_frustrado>wnd, http://www.ricweb.com.br/~sysadmin/comics-frustrado-0.0.1.tar.gz
10:58<\3TATUK>Gekz: personal reasonos
10:58<Gekz>yeah, sure.
10:58<Gekz>I'm going to go stand over here now.
10:58<\3TATUK>yeah. go ahead and stay down under. :)
10:58<\3TATUK>Mate!
11:00<fxiny>\3TATUK: botnets can somehow be nice , but spam is always s*
11:01<\3TATUK>spam is stupid
11:02<\3TATUK>spam means the spammer is working harder than whoever it was that provoked him is
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11:03<variable>hi
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11:03<verxion>hello everyone! :)
11:03<fxiny>the emperor has no clothes : the spammer is a naked isp
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11:03<verxion>I was wondering if someone could help me add a new user to samba? I have an existing Unix account that works fine, I added a new unix user, and I can't seem to access using samba and that user/pw
11:04<\3TATUK>variable: Allo.
11:04<fxiny>"pecunia non olet" like "traffic is traffic"
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11:05<variable>I am trying to change mod of mounted ntfs partition, but still no changes. What's wrong? (chmod o+rx mydisk/))
11:05<fxiny>i like gmail in this respect . it keeps spam out of my way and it deletes 'em after a month
11:05<\3TATUK>:)
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11:08<fxiny>variable: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hdxxx /mnt/xxx -o umask=0,nls=utf8 ?
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11:10<variable>nou, just : mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/mydisk
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11:12<fxiny>verxion: smbpasswd -a user ?
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11:27<acu>I want to convert mp3 files to CD audio - what application does that ?
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11:28<twb>acu: you can't
11:28<twb>acu: you have already lost information
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11:28<acu>twb: thanks
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11:33<variable>kuo?
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11:38<Plazzmex>hi all.. i need help..
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11:39<Plazzmex>Hi all, i need help.. when i'm installing debian, the installation fail on the software install and configure step
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11:40<Plazzmex>anybody here ?
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11:41<Plazzmex>?
11:41<Plazzmex>any bosy?
11:41<Plazzmex>any body ?
11:41<verxion>fxiny: I did that, it added the user, asked for a password, but the password doesn't work.
11:42<verxion>fxiny: are you still around? (Sorry I missed your response earlier)
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11:47<Plazzmex>any body here ?
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11:49<Plazzmex>help ?
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11:54<@Ganneff>if you are also annoyed by those crap bots: /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS (works in irssi)
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12:00<jesperj>I would appreciate it very much if someone could take a look at my problem description and xorg.conf here: http://www.pastebin.org/38213 and the xorg log here: http://www.pastebin.org/38212 . Thank you for any ideas and input. I have tried to make a good detailed problem description and a xorg.conf file that is easy to understand how I have set the hardware up. But... then again it's quite useless as it is since it doesn't work :(
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12:02<Haeroy>What is the command to add a CD in apt ? i have miss xD
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12:04<kop>jesperj : Dunno. Maybe it'd be best to get 1 screen working, then add another and so forth?
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12:05<Plazzmex>any body here today to help me ?
12:05<kop>Plazzmex : Yah. You went away too fast.
12:05<jesperj>kop: yes I would prefer that, but it seems that the nvidia works fine when just one card is physically installed in the system, but when I install the other one I get "NVIDIA: No matching Device section for intance (BusID PCI:7:0:0) found
12:06<jesperj>so that doesn't work.
12:06<kop>jesperj : I'm afraid I just poke X with a stick until it works. (And I stay away from the binary-only stuff because it a'fears me. ;)
12:07<kop>Plazzmex : You've trouble installing?
12:07<jesperj>kop: :) I would be glad if it just worked with vesa or nv heh
12:08<jesperj>but I think I have to use nonfree drivers for dualhead
12:08<Plazzmex>kop: yes.. i have a problem installing debian
12:08<kop>jesperj : Yes. I've a mild-to-meduim interest in getting the Radeon driver to work, but it just seems so much easier to wait until it's in stable.
12:08<kop>Plazzmex : Exactly how far do you get and then what happens?
12:10<Plazzmex>kop: when i'm installing, in the step where it retrieves packages (from the CD and internet), and it says something "Retrieving package 580 of 580" it hangs for some time. after that is shows an error: "installation fail" the install step that failed was software install and configure or something..
12:10*kop is driven to nostalga for the soloko (sp) in Mexico city by Plazzmex's screen name
12:12<kop>Plazzmex : Humm.... You might actually need someone who knows what they're doing. The trick is going to be getting the exact error message. Do you have it? (The installer may keep a log somewhere too....)
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12:13<Plazzmex>kop: yeah, the log is written during the installation in tty-4..
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12:13<kop>Plazzmex : Do you have the error?
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12:13<Plazzmex>eys.. there are many errors but
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12:14<Plazzmex>kop: the last one was: "main-menu[1340]: WARNING **: Menu item 'pkgsel' failed"
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12:15<kop>Plazzmex : Well, I guess I'll google it. It also might help to have the first error message too.
12:16<Plazzmex>kop: one line before it was: "main-menu[1340]: WARNING **: Configuring 'pkgsel' failed with error code 1"
12:16<Plazzmex>kop:the first ?
12:16<kop>Plazzmex : Another approach would be to install a minimal system. It's easy enough to install additional packages and whole "suites" of packages like gnome or kde, once installed.
12:16<kop>Plazzmex : Yes. Maybe the first error made everything else break after that.
12:17<Plazzmex>kop: yeah.. that what i want to try to do now.. install a minimal system without a desktop environment..
12:18<Plazzmex>kop: the first error (i don't sure that it is the first, but it's the first that i see on my screen, there can be more before it..):
12:18<kop>Plazzmex : What release are you trying to install?
12:18<Plazzmex>4.0r3 etch
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12:19<Plazzmex>mthe first that i see is : kernel: ATAPI device hdc: error: Medium Error -- (Sense key=0x03)
12:19<kop>Plazzmex : Is this relatively new hardware?
12:20<Plazzmex>no... my pc is very very very old
12:20<kop>Plazzmex : Is hdc the drive you're installing on?
12:20<x03>(Sense key=0x03)
12:20<x03>present \o
12:20<Plazzmex>i think hdb
12:21<Plazzmex>x03: what this mean ?
12:21<kop>Plazzmex : Installing from cd or network?
12:22<Plazzmex>cd.. but there is a strange thing.. when i'm installing from a cd it also installing from a network even if i choose not to do so..
12:23<kop>Plazzmex : Is it a netinstall cd? That has minimal stuff on the cd itself and gets the rest from the network.
12:23<Plazzmex>no.. not netinstall.. the regular first ISO
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12:24<kop>Plazzmex : It may be that hdc is your cd, and it's having trouble with it. Either a bad cd or a flakey cd drive. You might try the network install cd, just to use the cd drive a minimal amount.
12:25<kop>Plazzmex : I think no matter what you'll get security updates from the network.
12:25<kop>Plazzmex : I would not expect a cd problem to give you problems configuring a package though....
12:26<kop>Plazzmex : Maybe go to Alt-F2 and get the command line and type dmesg and see if there's some suspicious messages from the kernel about the hardware.
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12:27<kop>Plazzmex : (I think it's alt-f2 where the command line lives in the installer.) The log in tty4 is probably written to a file (at least on the ramdisk) somewhere too, so you could look through it for the earliest error message.
12:28<Plazzmex>kop: but can't i install without the network ? it may take hours to download all the stuff for installation.. I only have a 3mbit internet speed..
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12:29<kop>Plazzmex : You can, except like I said you'll still get security updates from the net. It was just a suggestion to avoid problems with the cd. 3Mbps is pretty fast, it shouldn't take that long. Especailly for a minimal install.
12:29<Plazzmex>i didn't found the log file nowhere..
12:30<x03>Plazzmex: too much speed to that drive/media
12:30<kop>Plazzmex : Does dmesg say anything interesting?
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12:31<Plazzmex>kop: h.. i can't check it now.. i speek in irc with the same computer when i install a debian.. so now i'm talking from windows.. so i need to reboot windows and start installation to see what i get
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12:31<Plazzmex>x03: so what i can do to fix this problem ?
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12:33<Plazzmex>kop: when i'm installing with installgui (graphic installer) and go to the tty-4 console, i can't come back to the installer..
12:33<kop>Plazzmex : If the speed of the cd is a problem you should be able to pass an argument to the kernel to tell it to slow down. There's some arguments listed in the Alt-Fn keys when the cd first boots before the kernel starts. Lemmie look and see what kernel-parameters.txt says.
12:34<kop>Plazzmex : You should be able to. Alt-F7, or Alt-F6 or Alt-F1 or something? Did you try all the combinations? You could also avoid the gui mode, and just use the text mode.
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12:37<Zathras>is there a way to test a desktop environment without leaving the current one?
12:37<Zathras>I just upgraded an awfull lot of packages but I get errros on gnome
12:38<kop>Zathras : Well, there's logging out and logging in, but that does not seem to be what you want. There's probably a way to run another X server on a different console, but I don't know exactly what would be involved. You could go to one and type startx and see how it works....
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12:39<Plazzmex>kop: how to pass to the kernel?
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12:40<kop>Plazzmex : You do that at boot time. When the cd first boots. But that's getting ahead of ourselves. First you need to find out why your getting an error.
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12:41<gizmokaka>how do i install the jdk 6 on etch?
12:41<gizmokaka>i can't find a repository for that and when added the repository from the debian site
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12:41<gizmokaka>it fails to update with apt-get update
12:41<variable>yes end have same problem
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12:42<Plazzmex>kop: ok.. i think i would try to install without the desktop environment..
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12:42<Plazzmex>first.. then.. if it won't work.. i'll try something else
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12:44<gizmokaka>well, can anyone help me?
12:44<kop>Plazzmex : You should not have a problem with time with the netinstall cd with a 3Mbps connection. Especially if you do a minimal install. But you want to go to the console, poke around. Do dmesg. Look at the logs. in /var/log.
12:45<kop>gizmokaka : It's probably in the non-free part of the repository. Did you enable that in sources.list?
12:45<Zathras>from what package comes the mktemp command please?
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12:45<gizmokaka>how do i enable that?
12:45<Zathras>hmm. form mktemp. sorry
12:45<Zathras>*from
12:45<kop>dpkg -S $(which mktemp) says the mktemp package.
12:45<dpkg>There is no record of a $(which mktemp) says the mktemp package. package
12:46<Zathras>at least that fixed gnome
12:46<Zathras>ty
12:46<gizmokaka>kop, how do i enable that?
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12:47<kop>gizmokaka : You use an editor to add " non-free" to the end of the line in /etc/apt/sources.list of the repostory you want to use. Or use synaptic, there's probably a checkbox.
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12:47<Plazzmex>kop: my brother too trying to install debian now on his laptop computer.. and he also get some error: Fatal server error: no screens found.. what that mean
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12:48<kop>gizmokaka : Then "aptitude update" again to get the new list of available packages.
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12:48<gizmokaka>can't see checkbox
12:48<gizmokaka>will add the line
12:48<Zathras>Setting up swapd (0.2-10.1) ...
12:48<Zathras>invoke-rc.d: initscript swapd, action "start" failed.
12:48<kop>Plazzmex : It probably means that it's having a problem starting X (the gui). It might need to be told about what driver to use or something.
12:49<Zathras>any ideas on that one please?
12:49<Plazzmex>kop: how to do this ?
12:49<kop>Plazzmex : (You should be asking the whole channel, not just me.)
12:50<kop>Plazzmex : Exactly what has happened?
12:50<gizmokaka>i added the non-free to and of repository in sources.list, i did aptitude update that finished successfully
12:51<gizmokaka>yet it does recognize the sun-java6-jdk package
12:51<Zathras>Plazzmex, see the xorg logfile
12:51<Plazzmex>when he's trying to do 'startx' the console says: Fatal server error: no screens found
12:51<Zathras>probably an issue in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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12:52<Zathras>you can fix that by hand or reconfigure the xserver
12:52<Zathras>or use xrandr2
12:52<Plazzmex>how to reconfigure the xserver ?
12:52<Zathras>loads of howto's
12:53<variable>does naotun can play radio from web?
12:53<kop>Plazzmex : You can start with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". That will let you reconfigure/initialize the graphic subsystem.
12:53<gizmokaka>kop, did you see what i wrote?
12:54<kop>Plazzmex : If that does not work, we will need the output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log. /msg dpkg pastebin for help on how to paste.
12:54<kop>gizmokaka : So, did you now ask aptitude to install the package (or synaptic?)
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12:55<Plazzmex>ok.. will try.. thanks.. i'm going now to try to install the system without the desktop environment..
12:55<gizmokaka>aptitude, i did the required change in sources.list
12:55<gizmokaka>and then aptitude update
12:55<gizmokaka>and then apt-get install sun-java6-jdk
12:56<Plazzmex>kop: what more good to try the minimal install with? the full ISO cd or netinst cd ?
12:56<kop>gizmokaka : And it says?
12:56<kop>Plazzmex : I don't think it matters much. The absolute minimal install does not contain much.
12:56<Plazzmex>ok.. thanks a lot
12:57<gizmokaka>couldn't find package
12:57<kop>Plazzmex : Once you've minimally installed, you can install xserver-xorg, and either/or both the kde or gnome packages to add lots of gui stuff.
12:57<gizmokaka>it feels wrong to add a repository of ubuntu just for that specific install
12:57<kop>gizmokaka : aptitude search java
12:58<gizmokaka>and now?
12:58<kop>gizmokaka : If you're using non-debian repositories you'll break debian, most likely.
12:58<Plazzmex>kop: but it will install them from the internet ?
12:58<gizmokaka>therefor i do not do that
12:58<kop>gizmokaka : You read the result and see if the package you want is available.
12:58<gizmokaka>no it's not there
12:59<kop>Plazzmex : It will install them from whatever apt repostiories are listed in /etc/apt/sources.list. That could be something on the net, or cd, or all of the above.
12:59<kop>gizmokaka : But there's other java stuff, right?
13:00<kop>gizmokaka : Just not java that's new enough?
13:00<gizmokaka>yep of course
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13:00<Plazzmex>kop: ok.. thanks
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13:00<gizmokaka>yes, and also no sun-java%-jdk package
13:01<gizmokaka>i need the newest it's for work
13:01<gizmokaka>i have the java 1.4 on the machine built in with the distro
13:01<kop>gizmokaka : Ok, you need another repository. Start with backports.org. They've instructions. You can also search lenny at debian.org and see if it's in there. If so you could use "apt pinning" (which always seemed straightforward but I've not done) to get apt to install the lenny version.
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13:02<gizmokaka>the lenny version Kernel?
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13:02<kop>gizmokaka : The lenny version of any particular package, plus whatever it needs from lenny to run.
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13:02<gizmokaka>oh, but it doesn't change my version of linux
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13:03<gizmokaka>well great so if it's there that will be the way
13:03<gizmokaka>I will try that now
13:03<kop>gizmokaka : No. But if you try to install something like X you may as well wind up upgrading because everything will depend on something new.
13:03<gizmokaka>oh, well that is not something i want to do now
13:04<kop>gizmokaka : Other people here can help more. There's also help in the debian reference at debian.org for how to do it, and at backports.org and maybe the wiki.
13:04<gizmokaka>isn't there another way to do that
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13:04<kop>gizmokaka : I wouldn't think that java would need lots of new stuff.
13:04<gizmokaka>OK thank anyway man for the support
13:04<kop>gizmokaka : Well, you could try recompiling the source package.
13:04<kop>!easy sid backport
13:04<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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13:05<kop>gizmokaka : Execept you wouldn't use sid, you'd use lenny sources.
13:05<kop>gizmokaka : Sun may have ported the packages too. If they've something available you could download their .deb files and install them directly.
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13:06<he11_knight>had someone got working penumbra on X3100?
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13:08<gizmokaka>i will look for java files .deb
13:08<gizmokaka>what sid?
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13:32<variable>how to know what software is instolled on my machine?
13:32<fxiny>dpkg -l
13:32<dpkg>fxiny: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
13:32<fxiny>aaaarrg
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13:33<fxiny>variable: anti-dpkg-space : dpkg -l
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13:34<variable>bat what about tar?
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13:35<fxiny>tar is better then cpio :P
13:35<variable>;]
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13:36<fxiny>real men do cpio over ssh for fun no profit ;)
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13:43<variable>what sybol shoul i write running app from console befor its name?
13:43<lenny_>hello
13:43<variable>hi
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13:46<killerboy>hi
13:46<killerboy>is there some graphical program that provides same info as apt-file?
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13:48<variable>hmm I forgot what symbol shuld be writen before app name by running it from console, so if i'll close console the app will not terminate
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13:49<variable>help ;]
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13:52<lewis>it seems that all of a sudden, one of my site's mysql commands start bringing up errors - any new etch mysql packages recently, what's wrong with: $sq = "SELECT * FROM clubs,countries WHERE 0=0 AND countries.countryID=clubs.clubCountryID AND clubs.clubStatus='A' ORDER BY countries.country,clubs.clubCity,clubs.clubName ASC";
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13:52<amphi>variable: nohup ?
13:53<amphi>variable: disown?
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13:54<variable>?
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13:55<gcs>Hi, where can/should I report that my packages does not transition to Lenny due to lost buildd mails?
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13:56<gcs>My packages had been built, still the transition says it can't because of missing binaries.
13:56<lenny_>Can someone tell me how i test for ATI 3D accelerated graphics? TIA
13:57<variable>I solved my problem ;]
13:57<morph_>gcs: you can try to contact $arch@buildd.d.o
13:57<variable>app&
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13:59<lenny__>How do i change the name?
13:59<morph_>lenny_: what name?
13:59<lenny__>x-chat
13:59<lenny__>im looking :/
13:59<morph_>lenny__: ^^
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14:00<variable>fxiny, what does anti-dpkg-space?
14:01<morph_>lenny__: / nick <new name> ; permanently in network list
14:01<lenny__>i found it already, ty anyway!
14:01<morph_>(/ nick with no space in between)
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14:02<Makelele>ok, im a footballer now...
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14:05<Makelele>How do i test for ATI accelerated graphics? The wiki mentions glxinfo tool but i cant find it. I want to test the free driver before getting that fglrx blob
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14:11<gizmokaka>I am having a problem with java on etch
14:11<variable>fxiny,
14:11<gizmokaka>i downloaded the sun java .iso file
14:11<gizmokaka>then i ./fileName.iso
14:11<gizmokaka>it extructed to a directory
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14:11<gizmokaka>my system doesn't see that java as the main java since it wasn't installed
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14:12<gizmokaka>i tried the fakeroot make-jpkg fileName.iso
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14:12<gizmokaka>but since i run an amd64 version of etch, for some reason it said it can't find plugins
14:13<gizmokaka>the version of sun java i downloaded is of course suitable for x64
14:13<gizmokaka>how do i make my java known system wide?
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14:14<gizmokaka>update-alternatives --set java /path didn't work again simce it's not really installed
14:14<gizmokaka>only downloaded to a dir
14:15<gizmokaka>anyone?????????
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14:17<killerboy>please, could you help me
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14:18<killerboy>i need some graphical program which do the same as apt-file
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14:19<killerboy>could you tell me the name of it please
14:20<gizmokaka>it can't be that no one has the answer
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14:21<gizmokaka>i am new to linux and chose debian
14:21<gizmokaka>but even on debian it can't be that hard to install a java environment
14:21<gizmokaka>can someone guide me? I am getting frustrated
14:21<killerboy>gizmokaka:
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14:22<killerboy>gizmokaka: what problem do you have?
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14:24<fxiny>gizmokaka: sun jre ?
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14:24<gizmokaka>sorry
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14:25<gizmokaka>I already wrote the problem
14:25<Makelele>gizmokaka: http://wiki.debian.org/Java
14:25<fxiny>so you wanna me to scroll up ?
14:25<Makelele>You have Sun's Java, non-free and free implementations
14:26<Makelele>i mean Sun's jave is in non free
14:26<gizmokaka>no it's just many lines
14:26<gizmokaka>yes but i didn't get it from repository
14:26<gizmokaka>i downloaded it from sun site
14:26<gizmokaka>as .iso file
14:26<in4dfun>is anyone aware of a CD version of Knoppix 5.3.1?
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14:27<gizmokaka>Makelele, ...
14:27<Makelele>gizmokaka: then add /Sun to the url above, read
14:27<Makelele>i never tried what your doing, so i can't do more
14:27<fxiny>first , use bpo on etch for jre 6 , second read man update-alternatives for sun jre . update-alternatives --install and update-alternatives --config
14:27<variable>encryption of password in debian isn't md5?
14:28<gizmokaka>killerboy, did you see my problem?
14:28<fxiny>gizmokaka: iso file ? what jre are you talking about ?
14:28<gizmokaka>you wan't me to rewrite it?
14:28<fxiny>no
14:28<gizmokaka>jdk 6
14:28<killerboy>yup
14:28<killerboy>donno answer
14:28<fxiny>ahh jDk
14:28<gizmokaka>my system has 1.4 installed and refered
14:29<gizmokaka>I wan't to have the 1.6 version
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14:29<gizmokaka>so downloaded the .iso file from sun (because nothing else worked)
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14:29<fxiny>i have sun jre installed for fun , update-alternative does
14:29<gizmokaka>and tried to fakeroot make-jpkg filename.iso
14:29<amphi>'fun'??
14:29<fxiny>no idea about sun iso
14:30<gizmokaka>said no suitable plugins
14:30<amphi>prevert
14:30<gizmokaka>because i am 64 etch
14:30<fxiny>amphi: yes , best way to play with update-alternative is installing sun jre
14:30<gizmokaka>now update-alternatives --set java /path
14:30<amphi>heh
14:30<fxiny>set ?
14:30<fxiny>man update-alternatives
14:30<gizmokaka>also the --config doesn't see the java i downloaded since it's not installed
14:31<fxiny>i told you already : --install and then config
14:31<gizmokaka>yep, from man, --set gives you the option to manually not interactivly set
14:31<gizmokaka>sorry missed that
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14:31<fxiny>gizmokaka: like this : update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java /usr/local/jre1.6.0_03/bin/java 60
14:31<variable>gizmokaka, , http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142
14:32<fxiny>man will tell you
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14:32<gizmokaka>thanks i will try that now
14:32<fxiny>better read man
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14:35<fxiny>and as the poet sing about update-alternatives : it's only rock&r ops! symlinks but i like it , yes i do :P
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14:35<gizmokaka>fxiny, thanks man
14:35<gizmokaka>i read man, it works like charm
14:35<fxiny>gizmokaka: does it work ?
14:35<gizmokaka>yep
14:35<fxiny>gizmokaka: debian rulez :)
14:35<gizmokaka>i really appreciate it
14:36<gizmokaka>yep it does, i will stay until i master it and start to really enjoy this wonderfull creation
14:36<gizmokaka>and people like you will contribute to a movement from $soft windows to debian
14:37<fxiny>gizmokaka: glad to hear that :)
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14:37<sworoc>debian: it's everything you want to be
14:37<fxiny>me ?
14:37<gizmokaka>or me?
14:37<gizmokaka>:)
14:37<fxiny>gizmokaka: i am a user like you , just a user
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14:37<gizmokaka>yep but an advanced one, that has the patiance to help others
14:38<gizmokaka>even if they have very newbe questions
14:39<fxiny>sworoc: that's right . the ssh vultures can go to hell :)
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14:40<sworoc>fxiny: one slip up and you'd think that the project was over
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14:40<sworoc>fxiny: when in reality, it's been the most dependable, most secure, long running free project that is vastly successful
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14:41<sworoc>fxiny: i think i'm still correct when i say that debian is on the top 10 on distrowatch, and countless successful distros are based off of debian, not to mention the wide architecture support
14:42<in4dfun>the best thing about Debian is that not just anyone can use it....
14:42<in4dfun>it takes some time and figuring out
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14:43<sworoc>you're right, while that seems like a negative, it really requires you to understand your computer and your operating system so that you use it correctly
14:43<in4dfun>and the best thing is that when you think you have figured it out there is more that pops up
14:43<sworoc>(well, as a system administrator, my grandmother uses it on her old desktop for web and email, but she doesn't even know the difference between that and win95)
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14:44<fxiny>sworoc: debian is not just for admins . for any user debian is the most rewarding distro : by design
14:44<in4dfun>that is what is so great about it...you can use it on older hardware
14:44<sworoc>to be honest, linux is most definitely ready for the desktop user-space, the people that just use windows now don't do a lot of the things we expect to know how to do in linux
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14:45<sworoc>fxiny: i agree, it's just that most people expect to do complicated sys admin things that they don't even know how to do in other OS's and then complain if they can't do it in debian (usually because they don't know how, not because it's not possible)
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14:46<variable>well the bigest problem here is instolling software ;/
14:47<sworoc>you're right, debian's apt-get doesn't work well :-P
14:47<sworoc>handling all those dependencies, in one central repository
14:48<sworoc>i'll never forget the windows user response, "you mean all the programs are in one spot?"
14:48<variable>i instolled skype, but i have no idea where it is instolled
14:48<sworoc>do you know how to use a terminal?
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14:49<variable>still learning ;]
14:49<sworoc>type: whereis skype
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14:49<sworoc>if you need help using the terminal, let me know
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14:49<sworoc>or if that doesn't work for you, we can find it several other ways
14:49<sworoc>most likely it's /usr/bin/skype
14:50<variable>;]
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14:52<sworoc>i'm moving furniture right now, so i may be a little slow to repsond.... 8^]
14:52<variable>I still don't get it what is for that usr?
14:52<variable>*/usr
14:52<sworoc>ah
14:53<variable>it is just doubling of data
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14:53<sworoc> /usr is a directory that holds things the user has added, ex; most programs that you install
14:53<variable>same bin in /bin /usr/bin and somewhere elss
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14:54<variable>well to install software i need to be root
14:54<sworoc> /bin typically holds the basic utilities that most POSIX systems use by default
14:54<sworoc>well, yes 8^]
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14:54<variable>so why it doesn't installs in /bin
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14:55<sworoc>because it's an organization thing, you separate the basic tools from the user added ones
14:55<fxiny>variable: did you compiled it ?
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14:55<variable>who?
14:55<sworoc>they both still run
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14:56<fxiny>variable: how did you install skype ?
14:56<sworoc>be default, /usr/bin is still in your path so you can (theoretically) call skype anywhere by just typing skype
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14:56<sworoc>*by default
14:57<fxiny>it should go in /usr/local
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14:57<fxiny>or opt
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14:57<variable>sworoc, yes I understand it but still it's a little bit messy
14:57<fxiny>i have gtk2.10 installed in opt for checking firebus3-rc1
14:58<variable>lets say skype is in in three dir and are instantses
14:58<fxiny>variable: are you running eth ?
14:58<fxiny>etch*
14:58<variable>emm
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14:58<variable>hard to say
14:59<variable>i have no idea
14:59<fxiny>don't say ubu no no no
14:59<variable>how to check it
14:59<fxiny>cat /etc/debian_version
14:59<shantanu>Hi. I got an issue with lenny weekly image generated on 22nd may
14:59<variable>;]
14:59<variable>4.0
14:59<shantanu>Is this the right place to ask? This is about installation
15:00<fxiny>right , so no skype . how did you instaled it ? it should be in /usr/local
15:00<sworoc>you can try anyway, shantanu
15:00<shantanu>basically it fails to install with error "No kernel modules were found"
15:00<fxiny>good news
15:00<shantanu>I found that it boots with kernel 2.6.22 (uname -a)
15:00<sworoc>what stage were you at when it failed
15:00<variable>no it is in /usr/bin/skype /usr/X11R6/bin/skype /usr/bin/X11/skype /usr/share/skype
15:00<shantanu>and d-i packages are compiled with 2.6.24
15:01<shantanu>just after the cd rom scanning
15:01<sworoc>completely installed and fails on boot/
15:01<fxiny>canìt stay in /usr/bin/skype
15:01<shantanu>it fails just after it scans cd rom for packages
15:01<sworoc>fxiny: why not
15:01<fxiny>sworoc: because must go in /usr/local
15:02<sworoc>fxiny: according to debian rules, or yours?
15:02<fxiny>linux users
15:02<fxiny>rules
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15:02<sworoc>*shrug, i guess whatever works*
15:02<variable>so there are 4 copies of skype
15:03<sworoc>probably linked files to the same binary
15:03<fxiny>variable: how did you manage to isstall it ?
15:03<variable>so what is purpose of doubling data?
15:03<variable>dpkg -i .. ;]
15:03*dpkg installs .. ;] into variable's head with a bone saw and a few screws
15:03<fxiny>variable: was it a tarball a bin ? what else ?
15:03<variable>emm
15:03<sworoc>it wouldn't be doubling, you can hard link files that are basically two names to the same file
15:04<fxiny>variable: now you now what a anti-dpg-space is :P
15:04<variable>it was I gess skype.deb
15:04<fxiny>skype.deb ?
15:04<sworoc>shantanu: what processor are you using
15:05<fxiny>unofficial packages can install in /usr/bin/ . yes
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15:06<shantanu>amd64
15:06<rosa>#debian.es
15:07<variable>yes skype.deb
15:08<sworoc>shantanu: did you verify the cd md5?
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15:08<shantanu>sworoc: Yes, I did
15:08<nika50>#debian.es
15:08<shantanu>sworoc: CD is completely fine, and archives as well, the issue is with the kernel that is used to boot up
15:08<sworoc>nika50: you may be looking for /join #debian-es
15:09<shantanu>(vmlinuz)
15:09<shantanu>and the d-i modules
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15:09<shantanu>vmlinuz is 2.6.22 and d-i modules are based on 2.6.24
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15:09<sworoc>shantanu: are we talking about during installation, or once running. it's fine for the installer to run 2.6.22 and install 2.6.24
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15:11<shantanu>sworoc: This is about installation only. I get the error just after installer scans the media for packagges
15:11<sworoc>right
15:11<sworoc>that's what i understood
15:11<shantanu>And in the error it specifically mentions that there might be a mismatch between kernel version and modules
15:12<sworoc>so you're saying that the kernel can't find modules for the installer, not that it can't find modules to install for later
15:12<sworoc>because it's running up to that point, which should mean that the installer kernel and modules should be working correctly
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15:12<sworoc>i would tend to think that you're having problems finding kernel 2.6.24 to install
15:13<shantanu>sworoc: by installer, do u mean d-i (debian-installer) package?
15:13<sworoc>how are you trying to install debian?
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15:14<sworoc>you're running the install cd/ dvd, right?
15:15<shantanu>yes
15:15<sworoc>that's what i mean by the installer
15:15<shantanu>amd64-testing-dvd
15:15<jesperj>Can I use the latest nvidia drivers with etch? I want to install version 169.12. Or do I have to use the old version that etch provides?
15:15<sworoc>going through the install process with the installation dvd
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15:15<variable>so /usr/share/ is for users (root's) instolled software's other files like sounds, images and other files rilated with that app?
15:15<sworoc>you come to scanning the dvd and it fails
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15:16<shantanu>it scans the dvd fully (the progress bar fills completely) , and then i get the error
15:16<sworoc>jesperj: you can use the current driver, i am currently using it and it works correctly
15:16<jesperj>sworoc: what do you mean with the current driver?
15:17<sworoc>169.12, i ended up getting it from nvidia
15:17<sworoc>shantanu: to me it sounds like you have a bad image, it scans to ensure that the data is correct and all there
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15:17<jesperj>sworoc: oh. did you have to get something else than the driver from any other source than etch?
15:18<jesperj>sworoc: what method did you use to install it?
15:18<sworoc>jesperj: for now, that's the route i went. you may be able to get it from unstable
15:18<shantanu>i thought so. but I tried quite a lot of things
15:18<shantanu>did md5 checking, burnt on 5 diff media
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15:18<shantanu>even burnt on 3 diff friends's PCs
15:18<sworoc>jesperj: but the easiest solution for me was to just get it from nvidia, not quite the debian way, but it works
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15:18<shantanu>downloaded on another guy's PC and burnt from there
15:19<sworoc>shantanu: wow, that's odd
15:19<shantanu>also did mediacheck in installer
15:19<shantanu>another thing, sworoc
15:19<jesperj>sworoc: yes but I wondered if you need to update or install anything else to make everything work with the latest drivers
15:19<shantanu>I had installed using the 5th may spin, and that had worked fine
15:19<jesperj>or if it just works with installing the driver alone
15:19<shantanu>but that had d-i 2.6.22 based modules
15:19<jesperj>i mean if it works with nvidia-glx libs and so on
15:19<sworoc>jesperj: if you run the installer, it will let you know if you're missing something that is needed
15:20<shantanu>hence, the drift towards that
15:20<jesperj>ok thanks
15:20<sworoc>shantanu: so you're bug reporting then?
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15:20<jesperj>bbs (I hope) :)
15:21<sworoc>shantanu: because what i would do in your case is just use the 5th may version and then upgrade via network
15:21<sworoc>jesperj: good luck!
15:21<jesperj>thank you very much sworoc
15:21<sworoc>jesperj: apt-get install irssi if you need help from the cli
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15:21<jesperj>swo: :)
15:21<jesperj>swo: have a great weekend if I dont show up
15:21<sworoc>you too!
15:21<jesperj>sworoc that is
15:22<shantanu>sworoc: thats wht i had thought (isntalling from 5th may)
15:22<jesperj>;)
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15:22<shantanu>but I lost that DVD somehow and that image is not available on net now
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15:22<shantanu>I tried for reporting bug as well by subimitting install-report but since installer doesnt load any modules
15:23<shantanu>it cant mount my ext3 partitions or use my network
15:23<sworoc>so it's amd64-testing-dvd-1 from the 22nd may
15:23<shantanu>so not able to do that..maybe ill file a report manually
15:23<shantanu>yes
15:23<sworoc>we can bring this up to the cd team: #debian-cd
15:23<sworoc>i haven't heard about this problem, they may want to know about it
15:24<sworoc>or can point you in the right direction
15:24<shantanu>ohk. Thanks for all the help sworoc
15:24<sworoc>sorry i couldn't definitively solve your problem, hope it gets figured out :)
15:24<shantanu>I'll try to talk to guys in #debian-cd, or will file a bug tonight if nthing perspires
15:25<sworoc>i'm over there as well, but coming straight from you might be better
15:25<sworoc>it's quiet, so i'd just go ahead and put your problem out there, see who is around
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15:32<Plazzmex>anybody ?
15:32<Plazzmex>i need help
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15:32<sworoc>what's up
15:33<weasel>not down.
15:33<kop>Plazzmex : You should also know about etchnhalf, if you've "new hardware" problems. Maybe on your brother's laptop.
15:33<kop>!tell Plazzmex -about ask
15:33<variable>what is for X11R6
15:33<Plazzmex>Kop.. you are here..
15:33<kop>Plazzmex : Not for long. Better ask the channel.
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15:33<Plazzmex>I have installed debian successfully (half..)
15:33<kop>!etchnhalf
15:33<dpkg>rumour has it, etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/
15:34<kop>Plazzmex : Yay!
15:34<Plazzmex>and i'm talking now from debian - gnome - gaim
15:34<Plazzmex>but there is other problem.. i can't mount hard drive partitions..
15:35<sworoc>shantanu: they also have debian-cd@lists.debian.org if they don't answer you here in a bit
15:35<shantanu>yeah, i read that at the top
15:35<shantanu>will mail there I think after waiting for a while
15:35<sworoc>shantanu: you did a good job of explaining it, sorry i don't know enough to help you more
15:36<variable>where can I learn more about file herarchy in linux?
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15:36<kop>Plazzmex : Ok, so ask, like dpkg said. Does not sound like a hard problem. Gotta go.
15:36<sworoc>Plazzmex: what do you mean you can't mount hard drive partitions
15:36<sworoc>variable: what would you like to know?
15:36<kop>variable : pathname.com/fhs/ There's a fhs package too.
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15:37<Plazzmex>when i'm trying to access ntfs partition it say: unable to mount selected volume
15:37<shantanu>sworoc: BTW, do u know when they plan to release lenny beta 2?
15:37<Zathras>hi. I finaly got around most issues in upgrading to Lenny. One remains: the bar in the bottom of my gnome screen is fubar
15:37<Zathras>docked apps do not get there
15:37<Zathras>how can I change that please?
15:37<variable>Plazzmex, wellcome to club ;]
15:37<sworoc>shantanu: i'm not sure on that one, i just keep my network updates coming
15:38<variable>i had same problem
15:38<Plazzmex>with unable to mount? how to solve itt ?
15:38<Zathras>RO access to NTFS volumes is no problem
15:38<sworoc>Plazzmex: do you have ntfs support installed?
15:38<variable>what is you hdd?
15:38<Zathras>just install proper module and use proper mount
15:39<Plazzmex>sworoc: i dont know.. how to check ?
15:39<variable>yes look for lib for ntfs
15:39<variable>after that it will be goog
15:39<Plazzmex>variable: Western Digital
15:39<variable>I don't know why ntfs libs ar not by default on debian ;/
15:40<variable>Plazzmex, sata or ide
15:40<Plazzmex>ide
15:40<sworoc>shantanu: guess it was intentionally broken?? :)
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15:40<shantanu>yeah
15:40<variable>whele what I have done is mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/mydisk
15:41<variable>but there is problem I can not change permission
15:41<variable>just root can see it
15:41<Plazzmex>variable: do i have to install libntfs9 package first?
15:41<variable>yes
15:41<variable>I did it
15:41<sworoc>variable: i think you can use option user
15:42-!-mode/#debian [+l 367] by debhelper
15:42<sworoc>variable: or you can change permissions
15:42<variable>i tryed but no luck
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15:42<variable>chmod o+rwx /mnt/mydisk
15:43<variable>and nothing
15:43<sworoc>i meant in the mount command, take a look at $man fstab for mount options
15:43-!-knoppix_ [~knoppix@64.149.234.115] has joined #debian
15:43<sworoc>there should be a way to change it so everyone can see it
15:43<variable>chmod: changing permissions of `mydisk/': Read-only file system
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15:44<variable>yes i wrote there default
15:44<Plazzmex>so, i have installed now libntfs9.. now what ?
15:45<sworoc>Zathras: did you get help yet?
15:45<Zathras>nope
15:45<Plazzmex>mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/mydisk ?
15:45<variable>Plazzmex, yes
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15:45<sworoc>Zathras: i'm sorry, i'm not sure how to fix that one, otherwise i would help
15:45<variable>but first you need to kreate folder in that dir
15:45<Plazzmex>but why /mnt/mydisk ?
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15:45<variable>that mydisk
15:45<Zathras>thanks anyway sworoc
15:46<variable>well you can write XPDISK
15:46<variable>this can by eny name :)
15:46<Plazzmex>ok.. i need to do this as root ?
15:46<variable>yes
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15:47<Plazzmex>how do i become a root ? su -root ? (sorry for the noob question..) i'm newbie
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15:47<variable>just type su [enter]
15:47<variable>then password ;]
15:48<variable>or su root [enter]
15:48<variable>and then password
15:48<Plazzmex>it says : mount: mount point /mnt/mydisk does not exist
15:49<weasel>then mkdir it.
15:49<variable>yes
15:49<variable>because you need to make there a dir
15:49<variable>go to /mnt
15:49<variable>and write mkdir mydisk
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15:52<Zathras>su - is a much better idea than just plain su
15:52<Plazzmex>variable: how ? how to go there in the console ? when i'm typing /mnt it says : bash: /mnt: is a directory.. great.. i know this..
15:52<sworoc>okay
15:52<sworoc>type only this:
15:52<variable>oxmoz, cd /mnt
15:52<sworoc>mkdir /mnt/mydisk
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15:53<sworoc>that should work
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15:53<variable>to move in console use cd ;]
15:53<sworoc>cd stands for change directory
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15:54<variable>to go one dir back write cd ..
15:54<sworoc>you can use ls to list files
15:54<Plazzmex>ok.. thanks..
15:54<Plazzmex>now.. i have created the directory.. then typed mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/mydisk
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15:54<sworoc>that sounds correct
15:54<sworoc>did it return to the prompt with no errors?
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15:55<Plazzmex>but now.. nothing happen.. the cursor is blinking (like when it think, or doing some operation.. i mean .. without a debian:/home/plazzmex#)
15:56<sworoc>is hda1 for sure your ntfs partition?
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15:56<Plazzmex>yes
15:56<manu>hi
15:56<variable>hmm
15:56<sworoc>what happens if you press enter again
15:56<Plazzmex>skip a line
15:57<sworoc>it shouldn't take that long, it's waiting on something
15:57<Plazzmex>it finished
15:57<sworoc>now if you type:
15:57<sworoc>df -h
15:57<sworoc>does it show it listed?
15:57<variable>what command shows what drivers is on the system?
15:57<Plazzmex>now.. when i'm trying to enter the partition with gnome file manager it says You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "mydisk".
15:57<sworoc>lsmod | grep ntfs
15:58<manu>i have a problem installing debian-40r3-amd64 with a sata2 dvdrom, someone can help me?
15:58<sworoc>manu: sure, what's the problem?
15:58<sworoc>is it recognizing it
15:59<Plazzmex>sworoc: if i type df -h it shows it listed.. yes..
15:59<sworoc>Plazzmex: then you successfully mounted it! however, it sounds like you might only be able to see the data on there as root
15:59<manu>it not recognizing it
15:59<variable>so you have same problem as I do :)
16:00<sworoc>yep :)
16:00<sworoc>manu: does it boot at all?
16:00<manu>it's asking for a floppy disk and i don't have any
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16:00<manu>yes it boot
16:01<sworoc>who in here was talking about etch and a half?
16:01<sworoc>it might be useful here
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16:01<Plazzmex>and how to see it as standard user?
16:01<manu>i can not pass the step wit detecting and mount the cdrom
16:02<sworoc>manu: i might suggest trying testing / lenny, do you have a special reason to want to use stable / etch
16:03<sworoc>manu: since your processor platform is amd64 and your dvd drive is sata, i would think you'll have better luck with drivers using testing
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16:03<manu>i didn't work on linux at all it's my first time
16:03<sworoc>manu: did you download the dvd from the net?
16:03<manu>if you can tell me exactly what to do...
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16:04<manu>it's not a problem if i try many times...i have a lot of time
16:04<sworoc>manu: also, what internet speed do you have? is it fast enough to download things
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16:04<Plazzmex>sworoc: and how to see it as standard user?
16:04<manu>not really...
16:04<sworoc>manu: good, it's worth trying until you get it working, i've been learning things here and there for several years, trust me it's worth it!
16:05<manu>:)...that's wahat i am thring to do :D
16:05<sworoc>Plazzmex: i'm not sure, you'll have to work with variable, sounds like you are both working on that..... i don't have an ntfs partition to test on to help you with, i'm sorry
16:05<sworoc>manu: let me get you a link from the site
16:06<manu>ok
16:06<variable>hmmm that manual >:[
16:06<Plazzmex>sworoc: variable ? ok.. thanks
16:06<Plazzmex>variable? what do you mean by that?
16:07<variable>there's alot info so i'm still reading it ;]
16:07<sworoc>the guy who just typed right above you
16:07<sworoc>he's working on it too
16:07<sworoc>manu: so you have little experience with debian?
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16:08<manu>no
16:08<manu>but i know verry well windows
16:08<manu>i work a little with redhat
16:08<sworoc>okay, i would suggest starting by installing this:
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16:10<sworoc>i'm sorry, seem to have lost the link
16:10<variable>what umask for?
16:10<sworoc>going back to find it again
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16:10<manu>:(
16:10<Plazzmex>how to start rhytmbox as a root ?
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16:10<niteye>is etch the latest debian version?
16:11<Plazzmex>: latest stable.. but there is unstable and testing version
16:12<niteye>im trying to install debian etch, but whateve mirror i choose (and i tried a bunch) it keeps saying "No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the nkernel version on the archive"
16:12<niteye>so how do i perform a net-install now
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16:13<sworoc>!lenny
16:13<dpkg>it has been said that lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>.
16:13<simonrvn>etch is the latest release, yes
16:14<simonrvn>Plazzmex: why do you want to do that?
16:14<niteye>any idea to the problem with the netinstall?
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16:15<sworoc>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso
16:15<Plazzmex>so rhythmbox will see the ntfs partition and access it
16:15<sworoc>i would recommend that image, manu
16:16<sworoc>Plazzmex: are you using gnome or kde?
16:16<niteye>im install the stable release with floppy images (from the official site, and they worked before)
16:16<niteye>now it gives an error with whatever mirror i choose (even official debian mirror)
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16:17<Plazzmex>gnome
16:17<sworoc>niteye: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso
16:17<sworoc>niteye: is that the source you used?
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16:17<sworoc>niteye: it should work for you
16:18<mzhang>dli, there?
16:18<manu>sworoc: i found something "install dmraid=true"
16:18<Plazzmex>sworoc: gnome
16:18<shantanu>one question guys. if i keep the repos as "testing" instead of lenny
16:18<niteye>no they are 5 or 6 loppy .img
16:18<niteye>floppy*
16:18<shantanu>I guess i'll always remain updated?
16:18<sworoc>Plaxxmex: put gksu before rythmbox command
16:19<dli>mzhang, hi
16:19<shantanu>is that recommended? (keeping the repos as testing instead of lenny)
16:19<sworoc>shantanu: i've been doing it for several years
16:19<manu>sworoc: i will try this first (install dmraid=true)...then i will download that image
16:20<mzhang>dli, you know any way to convert a series of png files to a movie file (.mpg, .mp4 etc)?
16:20<dli>mzhang, try mencoder
16:20<sworoc>shantanu: the only time that i would suggest doing otherwise is right after a release, testing jumps forward in a jerky way.... just point it to lenny for a week or so, then go back to testing
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16:20<sworoc>manu: sounds good, let me know if it works
16:21<dli>mzhang, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-enc-images.html
16:21<manu>yes...thanks
16:21<shantanu>sworoc: thanks. I've been an ubuntu user till now. wanted to switch to debian primarily for this reason
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16:21<Plazzmex>sworoc: when i type this it says : (rhythmbox:7867): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
16:21<Plazzmex>Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
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16:21<mzhang>dli, thanks
16:21<sworoc>shantanu: sticking with testing is great, you get somewhat tested software from unstable that is still fresh enough to use on a desktop, and it's a constant rolling update so you never have to worry about huge upgrades
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16:22<matare_a_los_pitufos>Hi everyboy!!
16:22<sworoc>hi matare_a_los_pitufos
16:23<weasel>rolling updates are another means of saying "something is always broken"
16:23<sworoc>Plazzmex: let me look at that a minute
16:23<sworoc>weasel: haven't had problems in the last couple years that i've used it
16:23<matare_a_los_pitufos>excuse me but, for what is this channel?
16:23<sworoc>debian gnu/linux
16:23<matare_a_los_pitufos>ok. ok.
16:23<matare_a_los_pitufos>very good
16:24<sworoc>Plazzmex: you want to be running as the normal user, and then alt+F2 should bring up the run command
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16:25<sworoc>Plaxxmex: you should be able to run: gksu rythmbox (i'm not sure if i spelled rythmbox correctly there)
16:25<matare_a_los_pitufos>rhythmbox
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16:25<sworoc>Plazzmex: but you don't want to be running the entire session as root, gksu should be able to run one window as root and should fix your authentication problem
16:25<sworoc>thanks matare
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16:27<Plazzmex>sworoc: i'm typing gksu rhythmbox .. it open up a graphic nitification window that informs me that i'm opening a program with root rights. then i click ok and nothing happen.. and in the console i see a message: (rhythmbox:7897): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
16:28<sworoc>hmm
16:29<sworoc>you should have to type in the root password there
16:29<weasel>swordfish
16:29<sworoc>:)
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16:29<Plazzmex>sworoc: it doesnt asking for password there..
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16:30<sworoc>try taking a look at man gksu and see if it mentions anything about your problem
16:30<Plazzmex>sworoc: it says Granted permissions without asking for password
16:31<Plazzmex>sworoc: the gksu manual doesn't seem to help
16:32<sworoc>i'm not sure what to tell you then
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16:32<sworoc>that's my best advice on how to use rhythmbox as root
16:33<Plazzmex>so.. there is a solution to make an access to the ntfs partition as a regular user?
16:33<manu>sworoc: it's not working
16:33<sworoc>possibly
16:33<sworoc>manu: the boot option is not working?
16:33<sworoc>manu: i would suggest getting that cd then, let me get the link again
16:34<manu>i have the link
16:35<sworoc>alright, good :)
16:35<sworoc>it's about 180 MB
16:35<sworoc>should take less time than downloading a whole cd
16:35<sworoc>and then when you get it up and running you'll probably download a few more things
16:35<sworoc>but it should save you a little over getting a whole cd
16:36<Plazzmex>how to list all the files in the folder in console ?
16:36<variable>at last
16:36<variable>ls
16:36<variable>Plazzmex,
16:36<sworoc>ls -ahl
16:37<sworoc>will show you more information and show hidden files as well
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16:37<variable>I now I know hot to give a permission
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16:38<variable>Plazzmex, mount -t ntfs -o rw,uid=1000,utf8 /dev/hda1 /mnt/mydisk/
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16:38<sworoc>ah, uid huh
16:39<sworoc>nice solution, didn't know that option
16:39<variable>uid is users id which will give permission to that user
16:39<variable>you can set and for group
16:39<sworoc>right, and rw is rewrite, utf8 is the type
16:39<variable>;]]
16:39<variable>utf8 is fow char
16:39<Plazzmex>it says that it is already mounted..
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16:39<sworoc>do you remeber how to list user ids?
16:39<Plazzmex>i need to unmount it first ..
16:40<variable>if there is some other sybol then english
16:40<sworoc>umount /mnt/mydisk as root
16:40<variable>yes
16:40<sworoc>right, it's a unicode format
16:40<variable>wow it took wholl day ;]
16:40<variable>yes
16:40<variable>there was other sollution
16:40<sworoc>but now that you fixed it, it should work for a long time.... and look at what you've learned :)
16:41<variable>to kate that other users or groups can mount that hdd
16:41<Plazzmex>woooohohohooo.. i can see the files i can see them as a regular user.. thanks man
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16:42*sworoc passes variable a cold one for a job well done
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16:46<variable>I think tomorrow i'll forget it ;]]
16:46<variable>what I need now is to install java
16:46<Plazzmex>now i see that there is no sound when i'm trying to play a file in rhythmbox
16:46<variable>sworoc, :}
16:46<sworoc>:)
16:47<sworoc>java huh, it should be easy enough
16:47<sworoc>Plazzmex: do you have mp3 support installed?
16:47<sworoc>Plazzmex: i'm making an assumption that you're trying to play a file without drm that is an mp3
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16:48<Plazzmex>mp3 file.
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16:49<Plazzmex>ok.. why all those things can't be preinstalled on the system ?
16:49<Plazzmex>ntfs support, mp3.. why?
16:49<sworoc>well, with mp3 support, it's not always legal to distribute it
16:49<sworoc>there are royalty issues
16:49<sworoc>the same may be true of using ntfs
16:50<sworoc>if you have a windows license, i believe it's legal for you to use mp3 support on other machines, seeing as you've bought a license to do so
16:50<sworoc>but you're on your own as to the legal ramifications
16:50<sworoc>try finding the debian-multimedia repository on google
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16:50<sworoc>they will have a lot of the codecs and support that you'll want
16:52<Plazzmex>there is http://debian-multimedia.org/ website
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16:55<sworoc>right, if you visit there you should find the repository, which you'll want to add to /etc/apt/sources.list
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16:57<valdyn>Plazzmex: ntfs support is not in non-free and can be installed just fine
16:58<NinjaMan>can someone explain to me which script / program auto creates the entries in routing table when network interfaces brought up?
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16:58<valdyn>Plazzmex: mp3 is protected by patents that dont apply in most countries except that U.S., but thats enough to restrict distribution by debian
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16:59<Plazzmex>there is a fluendo mp3 decoder that is on the debian main repository..
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17:00<niteye>FUCK!
17:00<niteye>i give up on floppies
17:00<niteye>I/O errors argh
17:00<pablol>can i ask for help in this channel?
17:00<Plazzmex>pablol: sure
17:00<valdyn>Plazzmex: uh, just encoders like "lame" are affected by this
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17:01<pablol>i have debian stable, can i edit my sources.list and get the unstable repositories?
17:01<StevenX>#debian? how did i get here?
17:01<vaini>boa tarde
17:01<pablol>or do i have to install debian unstable
17:01<valdyn>StevenX: default channel for some debian irc clients
17:01<valdyn>StevenX: and probably even ubuntu irc clients
17:02<vaini>sou novato em linux e estou precisando de uma ajudinha com debian etch
17:02<valdyn>!en
17:02<dpkg>from memory, en is english
17:02<StevenX>I've installed xchat before, but it usually has ubuntu as the default server / chan
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17:02<valdyn>StevenX: file a bug report at ubuntu's bts
17:03<StevenX>it's ok. i can hang out here. if that's ok. loitering allowed?
17:03<valdyn>StevenX: sure
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17:03<vaini>i from brazil....i need help with debian etch...my machine have two network adapters...
17:04<valdyn>StevenX: just asking ubuntu questions in this channel is frowned upon
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17:04<StevenX>valdyn, will not do that
17:04<valdyn>!tell vaini -about ask
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17:07<sworoc>!tell sworoc -about ask
17:07<valdyn>!selftell
17:07<dpkg>Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot>
17:08<sworoc>thanks :)
17:08<sworoc>just wanted to see what you were sending out.... i agree that just asking is the best policy
17:08<sworoc>and often times, debian-user@lists.debian.org is the best way to get your question answered, and correctly
17:09<NinjaMan>avahi was installed during debian installation - what use is it?
17:09<valdyn>NinjaMan: gnome does
17:09<NinjaMan>valdyn: oh crap
17:09<valdyn>NinjaMan: in fact, gnome pulls alot more functionality than it needs with avahi
17:10<valdyn>NinjaMan: its not such a big deal.
17:10<NinjaMan>valdyn: ok but does it need the daemon - which presumably is used to publish services?
17:11<NinjaMan>valdyn: unfortunately I have a unique set-up where I have 2 connections to 1 router with different ips - and basically avahi is broadcasting and answering itself :D
17:11<variable>hmm when I'm useing debian I sense a lag
17:11<valdyn>NinjaMan: no idea how the whole of it depends and needs avahi, i can see that gnome-user-share needs avahi-daemon explicitely
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17:12<sworoc>variable: how so
17:12<variable>and when i do ping on debian.org lag is ~1s
17:12<variable>and it is alot
17:12<Plazzmex>sworoc: i don't have a permission to write to /etc/apt/sources.list
17:13<variable>root permission
17:13<sworoc>Plazzmex: you need to edit as root
17:13<sworoc>i would suggest using nano
17:13<Plazzmex>how to do so ?
17:13<sworoc> #nano /etc/apt/sources.list
17:13<davi>Any guide to build a linux-image package from the last source code, for example 2.6.25.4?
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17:13<valdyn>!kp mantra
17:13<dpkg>rumour has it, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd.
17:13<valdyn>davi: ^^^^
17:14<sworoc>variable: i think you want to look at netselect
17:14<variable>hmm 11 packages and total time is 15 s
17:14<NinjaMan>valdyn: hmm pulseaudio components appear to use it too - any idea how I restrict it to my LAN (i,e, certain interfaces)?
17:14<davi>thanks valdyn
17:14<valdyn>davi: about all of those options given are optional and probably not needed
17:14<davi>cool valdyn, I am going to try :)
17:14<variable>what is that netselect?
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17:15<Plazzmex>what is nano?
17:15<valdyn>variable: read the manpage or the package description
17:15<valdyn>Plazzmex: same for you
17:15<variable>;]
17:15<variable>nano is editor
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17:16<variable>there isn't such thing
17:16<StevenX>is it possible to have 2different logins for the same user? I want to run 2 xterms so that I can run a full-screen game on one and have access to the desktop on the other. any ideas?
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17:16<valdyn>StevenX: you mean two X displays
17:17<valdyn>StevenX: its a little restricted but its feasable
17:17<StevenX>valdyn, yea. i'm not too good w/ the linux terminologies
17:17<valdyn>StevenX: log your regular user in once with your gdm | xdm that i suppose you already have
17:18<valdyn>StevenX: then go "Ctrl-Alt-F1", log in a 2nd time as that same user, and run "startx"
17:18<valdyn>StevenX: now, the restriction is where you can _only_ use accelerated3D on the first X that was started
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17:18<valdyn>StevenX: except if you are using the proprietary nvidia driver
17:18<Plazzmex>how to save a file with nano ? it is very strange
17:19<sworoc>variable: netselect should find the closest mirror for debian repos (i think)
17:19<StevenX>valdyn, i am using the proprietary nvidia driver, but how do i switch back and forth?
17:19<valdyn>StevenX: oh, i forgot: you dont use "startx", that will complain, but try if you want, you use "startx -- :1"
17:20<variable>pfff it is so big lag that it's about 30 s and i still wating for opening google ;/
17:20<valdyn>StevenX: Ctrl-Alt-Fx where 7 <= x <= 12
17:20<StevenX>valdyn, and any number will work? or do i have to know a specific one?
17:21<valdyn>StevenX: any started X picks the first virtual console that is free, thats by default 7, so f7, any addtional X display will be behind that
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17:21<sworoc>Plazzmex: ctrl+x then y
17:22<StevenX>got it. thanks a lot!
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17:24<valdyn>variable: so you have network issues, thats a very generic problem with no useful answer
17:24<valdyn>variable: tell us the output of "ping www.google.com"
17:24<sworoc>variable: are you using firefox / iceweasel with no flashblock installed
17:26<variable>5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 60485ms
17:27<variable>yes firefox
17:27<sworoc>flashblock will speed up your browser if any of the sites use flash, which tends to dramatically slow down firefox
17:27<sworoc>however, if you need to view the flash, just click on it and it will begin to work
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17:31<SamWeasley>Hi...
17:31<variable>should I install and netselect-apt?
17:31<SamWeasley>I can't uninstall or update my gkrellmd
17:31<sworoc>sure, why not
17:31<SamWeasley>When I tried apt-get remove gkrellmd
17:31<SamWeasley>I received the response from this link
17:31<SamWeasley>http://rafb.net/p/ncwjA020.html
17:32<SamWeasley>Some suggestion?
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17:32<sworoc>you speak the language that it spits out?
17:32<SamWeasley>Yeah
17:32<sworoc>okay
17:33<sworoc>just wondering if that was the problem
17:33<sworoc>i'm not sure why it's not letting you remove it
17:33<sworoc>variable: sure, why not was originally pointed at you, try it and see
17:33<variable>ok
17:33<sworoc>Sam: have you tried to remove it with -p
17:33<weasel>because the prerm script is broken
17:34<weasel>or the init script
17:34<SamWeasley>sworoc: apt-get remove -p?
17:34<sworoc>let me check one thing right quick
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17:35<sworoc>i'm sorry, it's apt-get --purge remove *pkg-name*
17:36<weasel>and why would that make any difference?
17:36<SamWeasley>sworoc: same result
17:36<sworoc>that's what i thought would happen, always worth a shot
17:36<weasel>SamWeasley: edit the init script. add "exit 0" near the top, make sure gkrellmd is dead.
17:36<weasel>SamWeasley: then purge it.
17:36<weasel>if that's what you want
17:36<sworoc>why not just pkill it?
17:37<weasel>because you don't understand what the problem is
17:37<SamWeasley>weasel: where I can found that script?
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17:37<weasel>SamWeasley: etc/init.d/gkrellmd
17:38<SamWeasley>weasel: pre-removal?
17:38<weasel>SamWeasley: ?
17:38<SamWeasley>Same result. PS: in /etc/init.d/gkrellmd the last line already is 'exit 0'
17:39<weasel>SamWeasley: and where did I say you should add it?
17:39<SamWeasley>weasel: sorry... I misread. That worked...
17:40<StevenX>blah, i can;'t find my other xdisplay
17:40<weasel>you probably want to make sure it's no longer running manually
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17:42<sworoc>sorry weasel
17:44<Plazzmex>dudes.. i have installed vlc that have built in codec for mp3.. so there is no reason that it will not play mp3 files.......... but it doesn't... i don't hear any sound when it plays..
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17:45<variable>:)
17:45<variable>I had same problem again :D
17:45<sworoc>listen very softly :p
17:45<variable>go to preference
17:46<variable>:}
17:46<Plazzmex>and ?
17:46<variable>then audio
17:46<variable>output modules
17:46<variable>alsa
17:46<variable>then press refresh list
17:46<variable>and select your sound card
17:46<variable>and save it
17:47<variable>thats it
17:47<Plazzmex>doesn't work..
17:47<variable>can't be
17:48<weasel>are you in group audio?
17:48<Plazzmex>i think there is no sound on the whole system.. i mean there is no driver or something.. how can i check the sounds?
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17:51<Plazzmex>or the sound service is off or something..
17:51<qq>Plazzmex: cat /etc/group |grep audio
17:51<qq>give what ?
17:52<Plazzmex>qq: audio:x:29:plazzmex
17:52<qq>ok
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17:52<Plazzmex>ok what ?
17:53<qq>Plazzmex: do alsamixer
17:53<qq>ok== you are in group audio
17:53<qq>!
17:54<Plazzmex>alsamixer.. what to do then ?
17:54<StevenX>!media
17:54<dpkg>media is, like, TP
17:54<qq> do that commende in a terminal
17:54<qq> *command
17:55<Plazzmex>i wrothe 'alsamixer' in terminal.. it opened me a text base alsa mixer
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17:55<qq>Plazzmex: play wiht arrows to up/down things , like PCM
17:56<Plazzmex>all the things there are at highest vol
17:56<variable>terminating vlc - do it again in case it gets stuck :}
17:57<qq>play wiht arrows : links, right to navigate
17:57<Plazzmex>qq: why to play with them ? i have set all the master, pcm and others to the highest volume..
17:57<Plazzmex>variable: what? didn't understand
17:58<variable>no it sounds funny ;]
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18:00<Plazzmex>so.. i think that there is no sound at all.. not just music.. the sounds of the system is not there.. and i can't hear anything from the system..
18:01<Plazzmex>where i can configure my sound drivers or something?
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18:01<variable>did you chek with other players?
18:01<qq>Plazzmex: yet done a alsaconf ?
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18:02<NinjaMan>does anyone know how default routes are automatically set by a debian system?
18:03<Plazzmex>variable: yes.. i have checked.. no sound at all..
18:04<streuner>via interfaces
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18:04<Plazzmex>qq: what is it ?
18:04<streuner>NinjaMan: /msg dpkg interfaces
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18:05<qq>Plazzmex: a commande for configuring your sound system
18:05<variable>yes i just did it
18:05<variable>nice
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18:06<Plazzmex>qq: it says bash: alsaconf: command not found
18:07<variable>then get it
18:08<qq>Plazzmex: install than
18:08<Plazzmex>install alsaconf
18:08<Plazzmex>?
18:08<variable>yes
18:09<variable>how about video config? Is there some tool for it?
18:09<qq>Plazzmex: as root: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-tools alsa-utils
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18:09<qq>variable: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:10<qq>as root too
18:11<NinjaMan>streuner: but how do i prevent setting of a default gateway route when I use dhcp?
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18:12<qq>NinjaMan: man dhcp ?
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18:12<sworoc>you may also want to check out dhclient
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18:13<NinjaMan>qq: even if I deliberately don't request routers from the dhcp server - a default route to the gateway router is still configured
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18:14<qq>NinjaMan: and what is wrong in that ?
18:15<sworoc>NinjaMan: the network won't work very well without a default gateway anyway
18:15<NinjaMan>qq: when you have more than 1 interface, it will change the default route to the one of the interface that was last configured
18:16<Plazzmex>ok.. i have entered alsaconf
18:16<NinjaMan>qq: so if an interface goes down and comes back up - the default route will get updated
18:16<qq>so put a ethx as static
18:16<sworoc>you can use ifconfig to change the gateway
18:16<qq> an*
18:16<NinjaMan>qq: one is static and one is dhcp
18:16<sworoc>so it's possible to write a script that runs after the last interface is up to change the gateway
18:17<dendrite>NinjaMan: man dhclient.conf -- I *think* you can do "supersede routers" or similar.
18:17<NinjaMan>sworoc: ok I was hoping to avoid that -as I was sure it could be done with standard command - but I guess noe
18:17<NinjaMan>dendrite: ok I'll try that
18:17<Plazzmex>qq: what configuration i need to make in alsaconf?
18:18<NinjaMan>dendrite - it didn't seem to work the last time I tried it with <blank>, but I will try it with 0.0.0.0
18:18<qq>Plazzmex: choose your sound card (usually default)
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18:19<Plazzmex>qq: ok.. then it asks me Do you want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound (and /etc/modprobe.conf if present)?
18:19<qq>yes
18:19<qq>than enter , enter
18:20<qq>done
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18:21<dendrite>NinjaMan: Or, maybe you can explicitly indicate the items you want, using the "request" specifier.
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18:22<Plazzmex>there is no sound yet....:'(
18:22<Capi>buenas
18:23<Plazzmex>it doesn't help..
18:23<qq>Plazzmex: reboot
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18:23<Plazzmex>ok.. one minute..
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18:25<NinjaMan>dendrite: yes I removed routers from request and require, but it made no difference
18:25<NinjaMan>dendrite: worse still it seems to remove previous routes 1st
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18:26<dendrite>NinjaMan: Starting to look like a script...
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18:30<Plazzmex>rebooted.. but there is no sound..
18:31<Plazzmex>i'm tired.. i don't know what to do..
18:32<dendrite>Plazzmex: you run alsamixer?
18:32<Plazzmex>yes
18:32<dendrite>Plazzmex: As in, make sure your speakers aren't muted...
18:33<Plazzmex>no.. they arent
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18:34<dendrite>Plazzmex: You google linux and your sound card (use lspci to get sound card model no.) ?
18:34<Plazzmex>i'm tired of linux... two hours to configure sound and didn't solved yet.. i'm really don't wanna use linux now..
18:35<dendrite>Plazzmex: Heh. OK.
18:35<Plazzmex>i thought it will be more simple..
18:36<dendrite>Plazzmex: What sound card device do you have?
18:36<Plazzmex>fedora configured the sound perfectly.. but it ate many system resources.. so i went to debian.. debian eat less resources but can't configure anything..
18:37<Plazzmex>creative ensoniq soudplaster audiopci
18:37<Plazzmex>soundblaster*
18:37<dendrite>Plazzmex: Run lspci, and paste the model number.
18:38<dendrite>Plazzmex: Names mean little, since manufacturers routinely change underlying hardware while leaving the name the same.
18:38<Plazzmex>00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 08)
18:38<dendrite>Plazzmex: Also what variant of Debian are you running?
18:39<Plazzmex>etch 4.0r3
18:40<dendrite>And is module snd_es18xx loaded? (lsmod | grep snd_es18xx )
18:40<dendrite>Or any snd_es module, for that matter.
18:41<dendrite>Not sure why I get a hit on snd_es18xx.
18:42<Plazzmex>how to check ?
18:42<dendrite>Plazzmex: lsmod | grep snd
18:42<variable>is there simuler to "net view"?
18:43<dendrite>Plazzmex: the '|' is a command pipe, that sends the output from the first command (lsmod) through the second command (grep snd). grep filters for matching lines.
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18:43<dendrite>variable: What's "net view" ?
18:43<variable>from dos
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18:43<dendrite>variable: That means nothing to me.
18:43*dendrite has dim memories of DOS...
18:43<variable>to show what users is in local network
18:44<variable>*are
18:44<Plazzmex>dendrite: it shows me a list with many things..
18:44<dendrite>variable: As in smb network? Yeah, there are tools, but it's been a long time. Look at the binaries that come with samba.
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18:46<dendrite>Plazzmex: So it sounds like alsaconf loaded your modules, etc... And alsamixer can see the mixer device...
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18:48<Plazzmex>so what is the problem?
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18:49<dendrite>Plazzmex: I don't know. I'd probably try a few different ways of making noise, to see if any of'em work. Or, if Fedora works better...
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18:49<Plazzmex>there is a sound....
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18:49<dendrite>Plazzmex: Oh?
18:49<Plazzmex>i hear sound
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18:49<variable>:O
18:49<dendrite>WTF.
18:49<Plazzmex>from vlc media player..
18:50<Plazzmex>yeoooohohhooo
18:50<variable>:D
18:50<variable>nice
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18:50<dendrite>Guess we'll never know what the issues was. I'm guessing mixer settings....
18:51<dendrite>Plazzmex: Note that you'll want to configure devices to use ALSA, generally, if they don't work out of the box...
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18:52*qq and open a sound file , may help
18:52<Plazzmex>but i can'y configure it throuh the alsa mixer
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18:53<Plazzmex>i voluming down or up, muting and so on, but nothing happen.. the music doesn't mute or volume down..
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18:54<dendrite>Plazzmex: Try a different mixer.
18:54<Plazzmex>for example?
18:55<qq>Plazzmex:are you using gnome or kde ?
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18:55<Plazzmex>gnome
18:56<qq>vlc has a volume control , use il
18:56<qq>it*
18:57<Plazzmex>but what about the main linux sound control ?
18:57<Plazzmex>why it doesn't work ?
18:57<kdag>anyone with experience on macintosh hardware, i installed debian on a macintel mbpro,
18:57<kdag>theres a known bug with the keyboard and grub
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18:58<kdag>so when i try to find grub.conf or menu.lst i go to /boot/grub but i dint see thise files
18:58<kdag>:S
18:59<kdag>is there a better channel where to ask questions regarding such computers?
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18:59<qq>Plazzmex: you ars misseeng some library , I think , what ? up tou you to find
19:00<Plazzmex>qq: ok.. i'll try to find what
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19:19<Plazzmex>ok.. didn't found anything yet.. but i'm very tired.. going to sleep..
19:20<Plazzmex>bye dudes.. you very helped me today.. what i would do without you..
19:20<sworoc>no problem
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20:10<joshmm>any kiba experts in here?
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20:18<joshmm>i get this when i run kiba-dock
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20:18<joshmm>nevermind it works
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20:24<shanepardue>Hope this is the right channel, I'm wanting to know the process of installing kde 4.1 on debian unstable.
20:26<Supaplex>!kde4
20:26<dpkg>somebody said kde 4 was a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian.
20:27<shanepardue>thanks dpkg
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20:28<norbert_>something seems to be wrong with the wesnoth-all dependencies
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20:29<norbert_>(and it's not listed at bugs.d.org)
20:29<norbert_>Depends: wesnoth-data (= 1:1.4.2-1~bpo40+1) but 1.2-4 is to be installed
20:29<norbert_>things like that
20:30<norbert_>stable; just ran apt-get update
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20:59<j_>hola_
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20:59<members>hi_
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21:01<josh>my kiba-dock wont run unless i run it as root
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21:03<Guest221>what could cause this?
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21:06<Guest221>anyone?
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21:08<Pablo82>hello every body
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21:10<Guest221>why would a program only run as root
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21:24<Guest221>can somone help me?????????????????
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21:26<twb>Guest221: not with that attitude
21:28<Guest221>well i've asked the same question 3 times and waited for twenty minutes for some sort of a reply so i thought i'd someones attention. It's not an attitude it's a strategy
21:29<Guest221>how do i make a program accessable to regular users
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21:33<twb>Guest221: did you ask the KDE people?
21:33<twb>!tell Guest221 about repeat
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21:35<Guest221>kiba is a gnome app
21:36<Guest221>or maybe not
21:38<qq>kiba is not a debian package
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21:40<twb>That is a good point.
21:40<twb>I remember mentioning it hours ago when you first complained.
21:40<thepretender84>i am trying to run a set of commands one after the other, but when I try to redirect the output by adding " &> /dev/null " at the end of the command, it doesn't work
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21:41<thepretender84>any ideas?
21:42<twb>&> is a bashism.
21:42<thepretender84>i am writing a script
21:42<twb>To redirect a sequence of commands, use curly braces to create a compound command.
21:42<twb>{ f; g; h; } >/dev/null 2>&1
21:42<thepretender84>can you give me an example?
21:42<thepretender84>thanks!
21:42<twb>Direct scripting questions to #bash on Freenode.
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21:45<thepretender84>thanks...didn't know there was a bash irc channel
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21:47<Supaplex>twb: how's that different than ( foo; bar ) >/dev/null 2>&1
21:47<twb>Supaplex: () creates a new shell process
21:48<twb>So e.g. x=1; ( x=2 ); echo $x will not propagate the assignment to the parent shell.
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21:50<Supaplex>ahh neat.
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22:09<peyman>hi everyone, i have this annoying problem, i was hoping someone can help
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22:09<twb>peyman: I'm getting a vibe here...
22:10<peyman>i have a Compaq Presario V3000 laptop (AMD 64 x2)
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22:10<twb>Ah, information! This is useful.
22:10<twb>Please ontinue.
22:10<peyman>i installed lenny (few times so far). the problem is with the Broadcom wireless
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22:11<peyman>when i install bcm43fwcutter, the wireless device suddenly is deleted from lspci list!
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22:11<peyman>and never comes back!
22:12<peyman>meaning that just before i install bcm43fwcutter, there is a Network Controller for Broadcom wireless in lspci, but the moment i install it, it is not there anymore
22:12<kop>Supaplex : FWIW = foo /bin/bar is another way to avoid propigating assignment, the FWIW variable is assigned a value only in the environment of the command bar.
22:12<peyman>and of course there is no wireless
22:12<lucas_amorim>Hello, Is there any support for ISA network cards in debian stable? how to enable that during installation so I can use a netinst disk?
22:12<twb>peyman: I can't help with that, sorry.
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22:12<peyman>twb: it's ok. thanks anyway :-)
22:13<kop>lucas_amorim : Tons of support. It _should_ be automatically available, unless it's plug-and-pray.
22:13<lucas_amorim>kop: lol
22:13<kop>lucas_amorim : Mostly, even those just work.
22:14<lucas_amorim>kop: I have tryed woody and etch and it did not work
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22:14<lucas_amorim>kop: it does not show up in lspci
22:14<kop>lucas_amorim : Sometimes a kernel parameter is required on the kernel boot line because the autodetection of the card will bork other devices.
22:15<kop> /usr/share/doc/linux-doc*/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt.gz (or something similar, you could browse at kernel.org.
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22:15<lucas_amorim>kop: In wood it asks to select some modules, so I chose ne2000 or something, then it required me to insert the irq number that I have no idea... :s
22:16<kop>lucas_amorim : You can also look in the kernel docs for isa bus stuff, or even the old tldp.org hardware howto would mention if a particular card needs something although that's out of date.
22:16<peyman>anyone?
22:16<kop>lucas_amorim : Uhhh.... Maybe IRQ 10 would be standard.
22:16<kop>lucas_amorim : It won't be in lspci because it's not on the pci bus. You want /proc/interrupts
22:16<lucas_amorim>kop: really? how can I setup that after installed?
22:17<kop>lucas_amorim :Once you're running the installer alt-f2 (iirc) will get you a console and you can "less /proc/interrupts" to see the irq of the card.
22:17<lucas_amorim>i mean, how can i setup this network card after the system installation? how can I load the module?
22:17<lucas_amorim>oh...
22:18<lucas_amorim>interesting
22:18<kop>lucas_amorim : Also, that sort of stuff _used_ to show in the dmesg, but linux has gotten a lot less chatty.
22:18<lucas_amorim>hum
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22:19<kop>lucas_amorim : If you know what card you have, which will be on the card pc board, or google a chip number, then you can look in the linux Documentation dir for info on the card's support and that will tell you how to get it running. /proc/* will tell you irq and io port numbers if you dont' know and can't find from jumpers and docs on the web.
22:20<kop>lucas_amorim : The us government fcc registration id database is another good resource for finding exactly what you've got. That's always printed on the card.
22:20<lucas_amorim>kop: Since I could not configure the network during installation I installed only the base system using the CD. Then how can i load that module and make the card work?
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22:21<lucas_amorim>kop: FCC, good idea! can you give me the link?
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22:21<kop>lucas_amorim : I'd still look for the kernel command line parameter, but that's because I know how to edit grub's menu.lst or lilio's conf better than I know kernel-module-fu.
22:22<lucas_amorim>hum...
22:22<kop>lucas_amorim : No. I found it really fast once, maybe fcc.gov?
22:22<lucas_amorim>ok, gonna try
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22:22<lucas_amorim>ok, thats it
22:23<kop>lucas_amorim : And the kernel docs are clear. They'll say how to load the module with lsmod too, but I forget the details of controlling that via /etc/ because it changed out from under me and now magically works-for-me.
22:23<lucas_amorim>kop: ok, thank you very much!
22:23<lucas_amorim>kop: I am going to try these Ideas tomorrow
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22:23<lucas_amorim>thanks, bye!
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22:24<kop>lucas_amorim : A suprising amount of hardware manuals that explain jumper settings used to be on the web, then you set irq and i/o yourself. I think irq11 is standard for ne2000....
22:24<lucas_amorim>ok!
22:24<user01>is there a channel for debian video playback issues? im still getting a blue screen when i playback video files
22:24<lucas_amorim>I suppose its ne2000, but I don't really know it... I am gonna look for the fcc as you suggested
22:25<lucas_amorim>kop: thank you ;)
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22:39<user01>is it difficult to dual boot debian and ubuntu?
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22:41<twb>user01: no.
22:41<user01>twb, can you share the home directories?
22:41<twb>user01: yes.
22:42<user01>twb, it wont screw up config files in the ./
22:42<user01> ?
22:42<twb>Correct.
22:42<Tonehog>any help with installing alsa-drivers with CS4237 soundard on a IBM-TP-600e: tried lspci, dmalist, modinfo, etc.
22:42<user01>twb, both oses write their own?
22:42<twb>user01: you said you wanted /home to be shared.
22:43<Tonehog>linking up with laptop
22:44<user01>twb, are there any other directories that could be shared saafely? i guess swap . . .
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22:45<Autodidata_>Boa noite...
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22:46<twb>user01: swap, /var/tmp and /tmp
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22:47<twb>user01: in general there's no point sharing anything but /home between dual-boot systems
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22:47<twb>user01: swap partitions will be "shared" automatically.
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22:47<twb>user01: note that this will break suspend-to-disk if you boot the other OS between suspending and resuming, since suspend-to-disk uses swap space for its working area
22:49<user01>twb, good to know thanks
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22:50<user01>twb, i always seem to under estimate how big my /usr directory will get
22:50<user01>twb, already at 74%
22:51<simonrvn>a good bare minimum for /usr is like 6-10 GiB
22:51<simonrvn>that's with a whole bunch of stuff installed
22:51<simonrvn>also gives you room to spare
22:51<user01>simonrvn, its at 6.7 GB
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22:52<simonrvn>full, or total size?
22:52<user01>simonrvn, total
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22:53<user01>simonrvn, im thinking of dual or triple boot this laptop, i think i have some breakage in lenny
22:53<simonrvn>one of my servers here, i have a 5 GiB /usr... it's 73% full right now
22:53<Gekz_>far out
22:53<Gekz_>I just want to make a debian installer that includes a few packages
22:53<Gekz_>why is there no easy way to do this
22:54<simonrvn>!jigdo
22:54<dpkg>[jigdo] *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html
22:54<simonrvn>try that ^^^
22:54<Gekz_>who are we talking at
22:54<simonrvn>you
22:55<Gekz_>how is that what I'm asking for
22:55<user01>are there any limitations to virtualbox as far as running an OS and then inserting like a usb flash disk?
22:55<simonrvn>Gekz_: allows you to customize the iso
22:55<Gekz_>it looks like extra effort than whats required with simple-cdd
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22:57<simonrvn>*nods*
22:57<twb>12:50 <user01> twb, i always seem to under estimate how big my /usr directory will get
22:57<twb>user01: so use LVM
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22:59<matthew159> /quit
22:59<matthew159>oops
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23:00<user01>twb, ill have to read up on that
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23:03<Gekz_>hmm
23:03<Gekz_>ramdisk generators
23:03<Gekz_>mkinitramfs?
23:03<Gekz_>!mkinitramfs
23:03<Gekz_>fail.
23:03<twb>initramfs-tools, yaird
23:05<user01>twb, is lvm an option during install?
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23:06<twb>user01: yes.
23:06<twb>user01: note that Ubiquity, Ubuntu's graphical installer, does not support RAID or LVM
23:07<twb>user01: if you use LVM you must install Ubuntu via the "alternate" CD, which uses Debian's d-i infrastructure and Doesn't Suck
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23:08<simonrvn>that doesn't suck should be in all-caps
23:10<twb>I was especially... impresed by the Hardy change to the timezone picker which requires the mouse skills of a twitch gamer.
23:11<user01>twb, hmmm but i like xfs doesnt appear to be the best choice for lvm
23:11<twb>user01: don't use XFS
23:11<user01>twb, reiser?
23:11<twb>Use ext3 unless you can explain IN DETAIL why some other filesystem is better for your particular case.
23:11<twb>Your explanation should include performance testing.
23:12<user01>twb, xfs has better journaling i thought
23:12<twb>user01: in what way is it "better"?
23:12<Bartman007>xfs is faster at the risk of delayed commits to disk
23:14<user01>twb, it seems faster on my laptop
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23:15<twb>user01: you measured it? You changed JUST the filesystem and nothing else?
23:15<user01>i kept ext3 for / but /hpme /usr etc are xfs
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23:22<Gekz_>I find jfs to be faster for my usage.
23:22<Gekz_>mainly at boot time too, compared to ext3
23:22<Gekz_>fscking jfs is fast.
23:22<Gekz_>once btrfs is stable, i'll use it
23:22<Gekz_>!btrfs
23:22<dpkg>i heard btrfs is a new copy on write filesystem for Linux aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Initially developed by Oracle, Btrfs is licensed under the GPL, see http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org, not ready for production use.
23:23<twb>Gekz_: you fsck often enough for it to MATTER how fast fsck is?
23:24<Bartman007>twb: waiting 45 minutes for a server to come up after a kernel upgrade is annoyng to say the least.
23:26<twb>Bartman007: how often do you upgrade the kernel on your Etch servers?
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23:27<Gekz_>twb: yes.
23:27<Gekz_>sadly.
23:31<twb>Gekz_: then I'd advise you to look at why you're fsck so much, rather than trying to make fsck fast
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23:36<Gekz_>twb: nay.
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23:56<billy12>ssh-keygen is still makeing bad keys
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23:59<qq>billy12: do a bug repport than
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