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00:01<qq>billy12: and /or add the needed patch/s
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00:02<billy12>i did update
00:02<billy12>it blacklist the new keys as soon as it makes them
00:03<qq>billy12: do a bug repport than, as I just sad
00:04<billy12>sounds like a plane
00:04<qq>not in chan YOU will resolve that
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00:06<twb>billy12: did you follow the SSLkeys document on wiki.debian.org?
00:06<twb>billy12: sounds like you haven't upgraded everything
00:07<knoppix_>no sorry
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00:07<Guest247>i was looking for some info on computers and i dont know where to start.
00:08<twb>!tell Guest247 about RUTE
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00:10<qq>!tell qq about RUTE
00:11<twb>qq: you can just do /msg dpkg RUTE
00:11<qq>ahhh...
00:11<qq>thx twb
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00:39<peyman>hi everyone
00:40<peyman>i have a compaq presario v3000 (amd Turion 64 X2). it is supposed to have a Broadcom wireless device, but it doesn't show up in lspci. any suggestion?
00:40<qq>hi peyman
00:41<qq>not, from me, sorry
00:41<peyman>thanks anyway qq
00:42<peyman>anyone else?
00:42<peyman>btw, i have lenny AMD64 installed with kernel 2.6.24
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00:47<Nemoder>might try hwinfo
00:48<qq>ndiswrapper ?
00:50<peyman>Nemoder: let me try
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00:50<peyman>qq: i'm trying to first find the device and then install the driver through ndiswrapper
00:50<qq>ok
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00:52<members>how do I upgrade to Debian SID?
00:53<twb>!lenny->sid
00:53<twb>!tell members about etch->lenny
00:53<members>!members->sid
00:53<members>haha oops sory
00:53<members>sorry
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00:53<twb>members: do that, with s/lenny/sid/
00:53<twb>But you probably don't want sid
00:54<twb>!sid
00:54<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>"
00:54<members>hm
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00:56<members>Yea, I've already broken GNOME (horizontal stripes through all text elements) by installing KDE or something else.
00:57<members>This package: http://packages.debian.org/testing/interpreters/shoes has dependencies which are only in SID, I think.
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00:58<fxiny>ttp://xmonad.org/images/screen-triplehead-galois.png
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00:59<members>it needs Ruby 1.8.6
01:01<members>Lenny is stable, SID is unstable and Etch is the current version of Debian?//
01:02<members>!lennu
01:02<members>!lenny
01:02<dpkg>it has been said that lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>.
01:02<members>!wwlr
01:02<dpkg>Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/03/msg00001.html
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01:07<members>5
01:07<members>!5
01:07<dpkg>[5] the holy number of Discordianism.
01:07<members>!42
01:07<dpkg>hmm... 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life
01:08<members>can dpkg look up stuff on wiki?
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01:14*qq give a ban to members@co
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01:18<twb>members: please use /msg or /query to annoy the bot; you're annoying us.
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01:31<acu>I cannot remove netatalk - and I cannot upgrade anything either because of it - I have amd64 Lenny - can anyone help
01:33<twb>acu: insufficient data
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01:35<acu>twb: invoke-rc.d: initscript netatalk, action "stop" failed.
01:36<acu>that's what I get when I try to either install it or remove it
01:37<Requiem>is there any way to make the real time clock work?
01:41<fxiny>say again
01:41<fxiny>!setting time
01:41<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
01:42<Requiem>um, thats not the real time clock, this is a bit of hardware
01:43<Requiem>links it to the clock in the BIOS 9which it loads, but only once at startup, can't be accessed from userspace)
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01:43<Requiem>think I found it, moment while I reboot
01:44<fxiny>don't forget : time can't be real , time is an illusion ;)
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02:04<dm_>Mepis 7 (repositories are mostly debian stable). mouse cursor disappears and makes me reboot. is there another way?
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02:05<wood>hi everyone
02:05<dm_>I'm using Compaq Presario with Nvidia Geforce 6150LE
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02:05<wood>what?
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02:07<wood>what is the military OS of your country?
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02:08<RIVE>No idea wood, supose in México...windows.
02:08<wood>windows? backdoor?
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02:09<RIVE>USA NSA agency door.
02:10<dm_>I'm new to 'irc chat' so clue me if I need it please
02:10<wood>really?
02:10<RIVE>But, well México is a friend contry of USA, so we have to use MX products.
02:11<wood>It sounds right!
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02:11<dm_>I'm using Mepis 7 and every now and again the mouse cursor just disapears and I have to reboot to get it back. Is there a better way?
02:11<fxiny>mil are wll known for using the most advanced OS ever : the abacus :P
02:12<dm_>yeah but it lacks a spell checker
02:12<RIVE>wood, i don't know for surre, bur NSA is a friend of Microsoft.
02:13<RIVE>So i prefer free software, i don't check the code, but someone is doing it.
02:13<wood>Do you have your own OS? I think it's very important.
02:13<RIVE>No, I use Debian.
02:13<fxiny>hahahah
02:14<wood>RIVE do you come from the Mexico?
02:14<RIVE>Yes wood, I'm from México.
02:14<wood>Hi!i'm Chinese
02:15<twb>15:36 <acu> twb: invoke-rc.d: initscript netatalk, action "stop" failed.
02:15<twb>Oh, he's gone
02:16<dm_>who's gone
02:17<wood>what's the matter?
02:17<fxiny>the matter is just a vibe
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02:18<wood>what is the meaning of 'vibe'?
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02:21<dm_>frustrating problem with the mouse
02:21<dm_>it just disappears
02:22<fxiny>good omen
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02:27<wood>what is the best tool to check the security of the liunx,esp the linux rootkits!
02:28<fxiny>there are two popular : chkrootkit and rkhunter
02:29<fxiny>but the best is : backup :P
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02:29<wood>backup?
02:30<fxiny>in the sense you'd better have backups
02:31<wood>what is the backup of the two tools?
02:31<fxiny>are you a bot ?
02:32<Gekz>wood: hi.
02:32<Gekz>its a bot
02:32<Gekz>lol
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02:33<fxiny>Gekz: :)
02:34<Gekz>I discriminate against those of the corrupted mind.
02:34<fxiny>no chinese bot can understand the "08:18 < wood> what is the meaning of 'vibe'?"
02:34<Gekz>Ie, communist chinese citizens.
02:34<Gekz>the propaganda really breaks their mind.
02:34<Gekz>>_>
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02:35<fxiny>i'd love to teach 'em some tibetan trumpet vibe on they're f* wood(en) heads :P
02:36<twb>Gekz: not like over there in the land of the free, eh?
02:39<wood>?
02:40<Gekz>twb: nay.
02:41<Gekz>twb: it's a bit different..
02:41<Gekz>commercialism vs single mindedness.
02:41<Gekz>one lacks a mind at all.
02:41<Gekz>chinese propaganda is like bittorrent
02:41<Gekz>everyone is a seed.
02:42<kei>hello
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02:42<kei>my english is to bad sorry
02:42<wood>what about yours?
02:42<Gekz>my what?
02:43<wood>belif and so on
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02:43<kei>maybe someone can help me. i don't have sound. i change périphérique but nothing
02:43<fxiny>i dislike politics and religion but hell : at least say you are sorry for what the chinese governement does in Tibet
02:44<kei>i have this message "could not open audio device for playback"
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02:44<wood>do you know the fact?
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02:44<wood>the secret
02:44<fxiny>Gekz: you are right : is a seed
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02:46<wood>all the world is the same
02:46<wood>it's on sense to talk about it
02:47<fxiny>fortunately the Topic will save us all
02:47<fxiny>:)
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02:48<wood>it's so virtual
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02:54<Gekz>fxiny: I go to school with chinese exchange students
02:54<Gekz>I utterly pwned my friend's mind
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02:54<Gekz>he was a hardcore communist last week :P
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02:57<fxiny>Gekz: typical : hardcore ppl turn as flags to the wind ;)
02:57<Gekz>lol
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03:06<wood>Gekz do you dislike the chinese
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03:06<Gekz>wood: no.
03:07<wood>it sounds yes
03:07<Gekz>I dislike the chinese government and the corruption of society.
03:07<wood>haha
03:07<wood>why?
03:07<p_quarles>Gekz, wood, can you carry on in #debian-offtopic? this is a support channel . . .
03:07<Gekz>p_quarles: I wasnt planning to continue
03:07<Gekz>lol
03:08<wood>sorry
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03:15<Robert-o># Appears as Monkey-b.http://munchtech.com/mschat/characters/monkey-b.avb
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04:27<Gekz>does approx handle about ... 30 simultaneous connections very well?
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04:31<dunken>is there any known trouble issues when using debian a64 4.0r3 with raid sil 3114 chipset ?
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04:36<fxiny>Gekz: how is comparing it to apt-cacher ?
04:36<Gekz>fxiny: I have no idea.
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04:49<justanotherguy>Does anyone know when lenny beta 2 is supposed to be launched?
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05:04<r2r>hey is there a program form which i can make linux partitons inside windows?
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05:04<r2r>hey is there a program form which i can make linux partitons inside windows?
05:05<fxiny>you don't need windows at all : grab gparted live cd
05:06<r2r>thats the problem i dont want too boot off windows
05:06<r2r>its a server
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05:06<fxiny>is serving grief , i suppose .P
05:07<Mrkva>r2r, if you are trying to resize windows partition (C:), when system is running, and you will somehow manage to do this, you'll probably screw your filesystem
05:07<r2r>noo its an external hard drive
05:08<r2r>fxiny fix your languge first
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05:11<fxiny>r2r: my languge ?
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05:11<r2r>nothin
05:12<fxiny>nothing :P
05:12<r2r>:-)
05:12<r2r>hey is there a program form which i can make linux partitons inside windows?
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05:14<Nemoder>partition magic maybe?
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05:15<fxiny>dunnoo if rainish still works , check /debian/tools for fips
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05:17<fxiny>no luck , fips : "Non-destructively split harddisk partitions (works with FAT32)"
05:18<r2r>nope
05:18<r2r>ormatted primary/logical ones then have linux format th
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05:22<mosty>some process keeps creating a /nonexistent directory with the contents of /etc/skel/ in it. what is doing thins, and how do i stop it? my root fs is xfs is that is relevant
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05:34<INternat>so im trying to work out how the `wait` command works.. if i give it a PID it just halts processing until that pid finishes right?
05:35<andreyv>i configured xorg to use resolution 1024*768, then i recompiled kernel and resolution became 1200*1600 and is not fit into screen size, what's problem?
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05:41<Nemoder>andreyv: you can try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ,or try editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually or see if there is an option in your desktop preferences to force it lower
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05:57<andreyv><Nemoder> but this happens even on startup
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05:58<andreyv><Nemoder> when services are started, there's also 1600*1200 resolution
05:58<Nemoder>andreyv: oh if it isn't usable try holding down ctrl-alt-minus on the numpad
05:58<andreyv><Nemoder> while in /boot/grud/menu.lst option vga=791
05:59<andreyv>ctrl-alt-minus results even smaller picture :(
05:59<andreyv>-plus either
06:00<Nemoder>you can keep pressing it to cycle through to one that is viewable
06:00<andreyv>i done, but no fullsreen
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06:01<Nemoder>does it work well enough to login and change it?
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06:02<andreyv>yes, know i'm typing from this box
06:02<Nemoder>oh ok
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06:03<Nemoder>well if you reconfigure xorg to only use lower resolutions then it shouldn't do that
06:03<andreyv>but know i recofigured... ok, i'll restart the whole system
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06:16<bony>is it possible to create a live cd with out internet and only using the iso image?
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06:25<davi>What device does ALSA sound driver use?
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06:29<adii>hello :)
06:30<lenatis>:)
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06:32<lenatis>cls
06:32<lenatis>clear
06:32<adii>do you have an idea about a piece of software which could somehow share a calendar. Like, many people could check it, modify it, etc.
06:33<lenatis>Google calendar
06:33<lenatis>Any one has Learning the bash shell 3rdEd in PDF or CHM format??
06:34<lenatis>==
06:34<twb>lenatis: this is not a warez forum.
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06:34<twb>lenatis: there is good, Free documentation on Bash scripting. For more information, see #bash on Freenode.
06:34<Woet>'Error starting up SSH connection(-3): Error sending banner to remote host in'
06:34<Woet>what might that error mean?
06:34<lenatis>thx
06:35<twb>Woet: it means your ssh client is falling down in early stages of connection negotiation.
06:35<lenatis>i'am a newbie..
06:35<twb>Woet: does it happen for all servers?
06:35<Woet>no
06:35<Woet>it works fine for everyone, except 1 user
06:35<twb>Woet: just one server?
06:35<Woet>no
06:35<Woet>it even works on all users
06:35<Woet>but that one
06:35<twb>Are you this user?
06:35<Woet>no.
06:35<twb>That makes things harder.
06:36<Woet>it works fine for every server and every user, except 1.
06:36<Woet>so it cant be the connection, it seemsd
06:36<twb>Woet: do you know what the user is doing wrong?
06:36<Woet>well, its a PHP scirpt.
06:36<Woet>script *
06:36<twb>Sorry, I don't care about PHP.
06:36<Woet>well, its a script.
06:37<twb>There is a PHP group, I think ##php on Freenode.
06:37<twb>Otherwise be patient and hope someone else here responds.
06:38<twb>adii: in general there are two methods: sharing ical-type data via specially souped-up MUAs, or a web app like Google Calendars.
06:39<twb>adii: the most obvious example of the former (modulo ical) is Outlook + Exchange. You can replace Outlook with Evolution (but no other Free MUA, AFAIK), and Exchange with Scalix (not Free, but gratis for small sites) or Zimbra (possibly not Free, I don't know).
06:39<twb>Both Scalix and Zimbra are utterly, UTTERLY horrible, but some junkies just gotta have their calendaring fix, no matter how hard to beat them
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06:57<lenatis>#
06:57<amphi>how now? methinks it is an octothorpe
06:58<twb>amphi: rightly spoken, sir.
06:58<twb>amphi: pray, have a gorilla.
06:58<amphi>why, thank you, your grace
06:58<fxiny>a gorilla ? that one in the geek cage ?
06:59<crt>Woet: is this a php cli script starting ssh?
06:59<twb>I of course prefer to smoke ground chimpanzees in a pipe.
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07:01<Woet>crt: its the SSH plugin (www.php.net/ssh2)
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07:03<crt>Woet: I see, I haven't played with that myself, is this to support a connection from the webhost to a remote site, or the other way around?
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07:04<twb>Giving ssh access to a php app seems like insanity to me...
07:04<Woet>crt: its a connection between my website and a server
07:05<twb>Might as well just enable passwordless rshd
07:05<Woet>it works fine with all servers and all users
07:05<Woet>except 1 user on 1 server
07:05<fxiny>a black sheep :P
07:05<twb>Woet: you mean that you don't know about all the gaping holes
07:05<Woet>twb: say whatever you say, I wont stop using this.
07:06<twb>More fool you.
07:07<crt>Woet: Ok, obvious questions then. How are you connecting to that one user, password, key? What are you doing with it, is it shell access, or copying a file. I have sympathy with twb on one level, if I had to do something like this I'd probably use a separate account with a custom shell on the other end.
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07:08<Woet>crt: im simply trying to connect to a server using ssh2_connect
07:08<variable>hi
07:08<Woet>well, it might be fixed, it seems.
07:08<twb>At the very least I'd edit .ssh/authorized_keys on the remote end to restrict that key to running a single command.
07:09<variable>what command is to setup video?
07:09<variable>because my monitor show out of range and shows H ... V ....
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07:10<twb>variable: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
07:10<variable>looks like H and V is out of range or what?
07:10<variable>twb I know
07:10<variable>but after changing it still the same
07:11<twb>variable: it helps if you change it meaningfully
07:11<twb>Just making arbitrary changes won't help
07:11<variable>well have no idea how to change it correctly
07:11<twb>Unfortunately, I no longer have an xorg.conf so I can't work out which bit to change
07:11<variable>i know there is an app
07:11<variable>for it
07:11<twb>I suggest you hpaste xorg.conf
07:12<twb>Those apps are crap
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07:12<crt>variable: did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (with the specs of the monitor to hand?)
07:12<variable>yes
07:13<variable>i did it yesturday and after reboot i can't see nothing
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07:14<variable>I'll try again
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07:27<avtobiff>my alt button has stopped working in gnome, lenny. i had the same issue on my laptop (same configuration) and fixed it. but now i dont remember exactly what i did (upgraded some package) and cant find it by googling either. help.
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07:28<torrr>hi
07:28<torrr>I did a dpkg-repack and then unistalled
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07:29<torrr>and then after some time installed from the repack
07:29<torrr>but one of the scripts is not as it was before the repack
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07:30<torrr>does dpkg -i file.deb install from the file.deb, or would it search the apt/source.list first?
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07:30<twb>torrr: dpkg-repack is lossy
07:30<twb>torrr: don't use it if you have an alternative
07:30<twb>torrr: in particular, know about snapshot.debian.net
07:31<torrr>is snapshot.debian.net an alternative to dpkg-repack?
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07:32<twb>It is for old official packages, which are no longer in the main repo
07:33<torrr>twb, I have my own modification to my package scripts that I would like to preserve
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07:35<twb>torrr: that's not the normal way to create such .debs
07:35<twb>torrr: normally you would apt-get source foo, edit, dpkg-buildpackage
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07:39<hellues>hey
07:40<hellues>i have a problem on compiling kernel
07:40<hellues>ii guess it is debian problem
07:40<hellues>because i cant compile c files with kernel libraries
07:40<hellues>module.h init.h not found
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07:43<ifvoid>hellues: where did you get the kernel source?
07:43<hellues>hmm
07:43<hellues>Turkey has a repo godel.cs.bilgi.eduTr
07:44<hellues>Turkey has a repo godel.cs.bilgi.edu.tr
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07:44<hellues>ifvoid, pls help me no kernel libraries doesnt work on my system
07:45<ifvoid>please be more specific
07:45<ifvoid>what command are your running, and what is the exact error message?
07:45<hellues>hmm
07:45<hellues>oki
07:46<twb>hellues: you are trying to compile the Linux kernel? Or just a third-party kernel module?
07:47<hellues>ifvoid,
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07:47<hellues>http://paste.debian.net/4108/
07:47<hellues>twb, i wrote simple kernel module hello world
07:47<hellues>look at address pls twb
07:49<twb>hellues: have you ever written C code before?
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07:49<hellues>yes
07:49<ifvoid>hellues: you need to put this in the kernel tree to compile it, I guess
07:49<hellues>put what ?
07:49<twb>hellues: do you understand how to use cc's -I switch?
07:49<ifvoid>hellues: or at least do some make kernel magick to make it find the kernel headers
07:50<hellues>i dont know -U
07:50<hellues>twb,
07:50<hellues>sorry I
07:50<davi>Is there nvidea driver patch for the last 2.6.25.4 linux kernel?
07:50<twb>hellues: try asking ##c and ##kernel on Freenode (I think).
07:50<hellues>put what ifvoid i dont understand
07:51<Torsten_W>davi: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=110088
07:51<ifvoid>hellues: put your source file in kernel source tree
07:51<davi>thanks Torsten_W
07:51<ifvoid>hellues: but indeed, #kernelnewbies is s much better place to ask
07:51<ifvoid>this has nothing to do with Debian
07:51<hellues>what is my kernel source tree
07:52<ifvoid>hellues: you are developing a kernel module and don't have a kernel source?
07:52<hellues>ok i ask
07:52<hellues>i have kernel-source in my home directory
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07:53<ifvoid>hellues: anyway, please ask your question in #kernelnewbies
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07:54<crt>hellues: you might also look at installing and reading the man page for kernel-package
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08:06<variable>hmm still same problem with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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08:10<mac>hi there I try to configure wlan in knoppix 5.3 can someone help? Hardware is not recognised...
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08:11<mac>I need the driver probly
08:11<avu>mac, this is #debian, not #knoppix
08:12<mac>ok but knoppix is debian in live cd, right?
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08:13<derSmutje>hi, i have an intel core 2 duo e6850 and i'm not shure, whether i should download debian for ia64 or for amd64. after what i've read, i think amd64 could be the right architecture-branch. what do you think?
08:14<avu>mac, no
08:14<mac>oh
08:14<avu>derSmutje, amd64
08:14<mac>can you tell me which channel I should use?
08:15<avu>mac, #knoppix I guess
08:15<avu>mac, maybe on freenode if not here
08:15<derSmutje>avu: thx
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08:18<uhriventis>I can't make files how do I correct this?
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08:20<avu>uhriventis, what?
08:20<PetaWindows>uhriventis: I don't understand you :S
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08:20<uhriventis>make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
08:20<PetaWindows>oh..
08:20<avu>uhriventis, well, the is no Makefile in the directory you are starting make from.. :)
08:20<amphi>uhriventis: is there a file autogen.sh? if so, run it
08:20<witte>what are you trying to do?
08:21<uhriventis>Install pidgin
08:21<uhriventis>No autogen.sh
08:21<witte>uhriventis: aptitude install pidgin
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08:21<lucas_amorim>I have got an ISA network card connected to my old pentium. What command should show me what is its IRQ and IO numbers?
08:21<uhriventis>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "pidgin"
08:22<uhriventis>There is makefiles int he source though
08:22<amphi>uhriventis: it was called gaim previously, I believe
08:22<PetaWindows>yes
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08:22<uhriventis>Yeah
08:22<witte>uhriventis: one second, you are on debian ettch?
08:22<uhriventis>Yeah
08:22<witte>ok, like amphi told, install gaim instead
08:23<witte>uhriventis: aptitude install gaim
08:23<uhriventis>Why can't I get Pidgin?
08:23<PetaWindows>uhriventis: is the newer version of gaim
08:23<uhriventis>Ettch won't run it?
08:23<amphi>because it didn't exist when etch was released
08:23<witte>uhriventis: because etch predates the rename from gaim to pidgin
08:23<PetaWindows>uhriventis: and it's not "available" for etch yet,,
08:23<uhriventis>Ahh
08:23<amphi>perhaps there's a backport...
08:24<uhriventis>What's the difference between aptitude and apt-get
08:24<witte>uhriventis: it can run on etch, but i doubt it is worth the effort updating
08:24<witte>!why aptitude
08:24<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info
08:24<uhriventis>I see
08:24<uhriventis>What are you running? Lenny
08:25<witte>this computer runs sid, but i have also lenny and etch
08:26<uhriventis>See I got Ettch because it said it was stable. I should hag gotten the newer stuff
08:26<witte>uhriventis: no, etch is fine
08:26<uhriventis>Now, what about firefox? I've tried to install it before but it wouldn't do anything. Just iceweasle
08:26<uhriventis>weasel
08:26<uhriventis>I hate it
08:26<witte>it is the same
08:26<avu>uhriventis, iceweasel is firefox
08:26<avu>uhriventis, just another name
08:26<witte>!why iceweasel
08:26<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information.
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08:27<uhriventis>h
08:27<uhriventis>Oh
08:27<uhriventis>Strange how Kubuntu would get firefox but not debian
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08:29<haxi>lol
08:29<haxi>firefox on debian is called iceweasel
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08:29<uhriventis>Is Mepis any good? I've been wanting to try it
08:30<uhriventis>Oh and I couldn't get Compiz to install. How do I do that?
08:30<avu>uhriventis, do you go to a BMW dealer asking if Ford is any good and if you should buy a car from them? :)
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08:31<luan>oi
08:31<uhriventis>I've seen people talking about MEPIS on debian forums. You know Mepis VS Debian. I was just wondering if you guys have ever tried it and if you have how was it
08:31<luan>hi
08:31<luan>oi
08:31<luan>hi
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08:31<luan>td bom
08:32<luan>all right
08:32<luan>hello povo pobre
08:33<luan>bando de gente feia
08:33<luan>affs que ódio
08:33<luan>bando de viad
08:33<amphi>!br
08:33<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
08:34<lucas_amorim>Does anyone know if the network card 3C509B from 3Com is supported on linux?
08:34<lucas_amorim>on debian woody more speciffically
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08:34<avu>woody? 8)
08:35<Gekz>lucas_amorim: what kernel is that?
08:35<Gekz>lol
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08:35<lucas_amorim>Gekz: let me see...
08:35<Gekz>uname -a ftw
08:35<lucas_amorim>2.2.20
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08:36<Gekz>lucas_amorim: now, look for 2.2 and support for that card :P
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08:36<lucas_amorim>I did not find a good hardware compatibility list....
08:36<Gekz>:/
08:36<Gekz>why is it you must use Woody?
08:37<Gekz>its ancient!
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08:37<Gekz>its not even supported any more
08:37<NOKEiCAt>hi everybody
08:37<lucas_amorim>well... its a pentium 133
08:37<Gekz>o.o
08:37<lucas_amorim>Gekz: I found http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/nic.html
08:38<lucas_amorim>it seems to be supportted
08:38<NOKEiCAt>is someone able to tell me how install a fto server on my debian machine please ?
08:38<witte>lucas_amorim: still, you can run etch on that i guess
08:38<Gekz>The latest 2.2 version of the Linux kernel is: 2.2.26
08:38<lucas_amorim>witte: I could not due to lack of memory
08:38<lucas_amorim>witte: installer did not work
08:39<Mechtilde>I installed etch on a i486/100 with 24 MB RAM without X
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08:39<Mechtilde>and it works as a Router
08:39<lucas_amorim>how do I make this board work during installation so I can make a net inst?
08:39<NOKEiCAt>is someone able to tell me how install a ftp server on my debian machine please ?
08:40<Mechtilde>lucas_amorim, I use Floppies to install it
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08:41<witte>NOKEiCAt: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+ftp+server&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a
08:41<lucas_amorim>Mechtilde: did you install all the system from floppies???
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08:41<witte>NOKEiCAt: what did you already try? did you searched for an answer on the net?
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08:41<Mechtilde>first the 4 Floppies then the CD-1 and then the Net
08:42<NOKEiCAt>ok witte i will try to make these tuto
08:42<NOKEiCAt>ty
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09:35<valdyn>most net answers will probably be alot more sophisticated than "aptitude install vsftpd"
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09:47<Aleric>Since my last 'apt-get update/upgrade', I can't ssh into localhost anymore: none of my public keys are accepted :(
09:47<Aleric>I have no clue how to fix it, because I didn't change anything: it worked before! How can it suddenly stop working?
09:47<Aleric>Does anyone have an idea how to troubleshoot this?
09:47<witte>!sslkeys
09:47<dpkg>Due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also now available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes>
09:48<witte>Aleric: could be related to that ...
09:48<Aleric>Does that mean I have to generate new keys?
09:48<Aleric>for EVERYTHING/
09:48<Aleric>?
09:49<Aleric>http://rafb.net/p/hvj0C179.html
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09:49<Aleric>There you can see it doesn't accept /home/carlo/.ssh/cwchessboard_dsa anymore.
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09:50<witte>Aleric: I guess so :)
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09:51<Aleric>witte: I'm ssh-ing into a chroot
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09:51<Aleric>I'm flooded with joins and kills :/
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09:51<Gekz>lol
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09:53<witte>Aleric: i am not really sure about all this ssl keys thing, i just know it is a complete mess..
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09:55<Aleric>Clearly
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09:56<Aleric>I'll try and regenerate the keys for one project :/ ...
09:56<Aleric>I can't believe it will just stop working however...
09:56<Aleric>weak, ok - but stop working???
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10:04<witte>Aleric: the keys are blacklisted
10:04<Aleric>My own generated keys?
10:04<witte>Aleric: there weren't that many possible different keys it seems
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10:05<Aleric>Hmm
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10:11<Aleric>I have a lot of chroot's, that have a lot of shared libraries... are there any shared libraries that are affected, that I need to replace?
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10:12<azeem>Aleric: libssl, obviously
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10:12<zeev>Hi, I tried to install debian on my laptop with Core 2 Duo CPU via netinstaller (www.goodbye-microsoft.com) but it started to download packages with amd64 suffix - is it ok? I have intel...?
10:13<Aleric>Hmm, my chroot contains libssl.so.0.9.8
10:13<witte>zeev: that is ok, it is 64 bit architecture
10:13<witte>!amd64
10:13<dpkg>rumour has it, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel.
10:13<azeem>Aleric: that's the one
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10:16<zeev>sorry, didn't understand - what should I better use - amd64 or smth. else?
10:16<Aleric>64bit == amd64, so you need amd64
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10:18<zeev>why is it called amd then?
10:19<Aleric>because amd invented it
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10:19<witte>original there was only amd 64 bit (at least for intel compatible cpu's)
10:19<zeev>a... but it is intel compatible...
10:19<Aleric>intel made a 64bit cpu that isn't backwards compatible (itanium?) but that wasn't accepted.
10:19<chealer>Aleric: he doesn't. see the factoid
10:19<Aleric>Now intel is using amd's instruction set too
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10:20<zeev>thank you for the clarification
10:20<Aleric>Imho intel was first with their 64bit. I forgot the name they use...
10:20<Aleric>core 2 is amd64 anyway
10:21<justanotherguy>Aleric: they used ia64 at that time I think
10:21<Aleric>yeah
10:21<zeev>just one more newbie question - during installation can I reduce the existing windows partition without loosing (theoratically at least) data?
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10:22<Aleric>No idea, I never used windows.
10:22<zeev>its debian already
10:22<zeev>netinstaller
10:22<azeem>zeev: yes you can
10:23<zeev>should I choose manual partitioning there?
10:23<Aleric>It sounds scary.
10:23<zeev>or guided?
10:23<Aleric>I'd never "reduce" a partition without first backing it up.
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10:23<zeev>its a new laptop - nothing there
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10:23<zeev>just don't want to reinstall it...
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10:24<Aleric>Why are you afraid of losing data if there is nothing on it?
10:24<zeev>nothing except windows, that i don't want to reinstall
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10:25<zeev>so how do I do it, then?
10:26<zeev>manual partitioning... and?
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10:26<zeev>btw, its ntfs
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10:27<Aleric>I don't think linux (installer) can shrink an ntfs windows partition?
10:27<meandtheshell1>I have an IP and want the interaces MAC address. What else than nmap might help here?
10:27<Aleric>You can need a windows program to decrease the size of that partition first.
10:28<Aleric>ifconfig ?
10:28<witte>zeev: in theory, yes, but if i were you, i would use a netinstall, and not the www.goodbye-microsoft.com webpage
10:28<witte>zeev: that is not yet fully stable i think...
10:28<templar>meandtheshell1 .. if its in your local net: arp -an | grep IP
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10:28<meandtheshell1>well, sure but its a proprietary Acces Point
10:28<meandtheshell1>ok, will try
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10:29<meandtheshell1>yep, local LAN
10:29<zeev>can I netinstall over a usb mp3 player?
10:29<user01>where are the commands entered at the bash command prompt stored?
10:30<user01>like if i typed in df -a
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10:30<chealer>zeev: what are your choices?
10:30<zeev>or to burn the cd
10:30<templar>user01: ~/.bash_history
10:30<user01>and aptitude dist-upgrade and i want to see the list
10:30<user01>cool thanks
10:30<chealer>zeev: depends on the player's capabilities
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10:35<evoke>hey anyone install zoneminder on debian etch yet. it is home security system for linux
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10:35<zeev>could smb., please, point me on the right image for netinstaller testing! for core 2 duo?
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10:37<zeev>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso ?
10:37<zeev>correct choice?
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10:38<witte>zeev: yes
10:38<zeev>thanks
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10:38<chealer>zeev: there is no single right image. that is part of the choices
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10:39<user01>templar, what about for user? i dont see that file
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10:41<templar>maybe you're using tcsh? . in that case its .history
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10:48<user01>templar, nope not that
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10:51<user01>templar, ps -p $$ says bash
10:51<evoke>anyone ever hear of zone minder for linux
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10:53<user01>templar, you meant bash history should be in the home user folder right?
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10:55<user01>templar, oh wait never mind . . . directory wasnt listing correctly
10:57<user01>netselect-apt rocks
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11:04<jepe>hi !
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11:07<jepe>I want install vmware-server 1.5 and i search the link server for add to sources-list ...
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11:14<hellues_>verry hot :D
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11:20<hellues_>mike portnoy is greatest drummer of the world
11:20<hellues_>sorry one of the greatest drummer
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11:27<marwils>aja que es esta verga un chat o ke
11:27<marwils>jajja
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11:40<jepe>hi all !
11:41<jepe>I have a problem for install vmware-server on debian - i want update database file - what must i do ?
11:41<fxiny>etch ?
11:41<witte>!vmware
11:41<dpkg>VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>.
11:42<jepe>what command for view the system ?
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11:42<peyman>hi everyone.
11:42<peyman>how can i encode ogg to mp3?
11:42<peyman>(in lenny)
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11:44<peyman>ooops! i meant, how can i convert ogg to mp3 in lenny?
11:44<jepe>i'm on debian 2.6.20.1
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11:46<jepe>what must i do for convert VMware-server-1.0.5-80187.tar.gz to .deb with vmware-package ?
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11:47<jepe>i'm on etch
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11:53<fxiny>the Lepanto Battle reloaded ? :P
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11:55<thecreator>I've got a quick question. I'm looking for some kernel documentation, that documents structures, functions, etc. I remember seeing something like this a while back, just dont' remember where it was.
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11:58<grummund_>which command line tool can i use to print short text onto an existing .jpeg ?
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12:00<amphi>grummund_: imagemagick can do that, I believe
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12:08<thecreator>Hello, I've got a quick question. I remember seeing documentation on the linux kernel source, like functions and data types. Anyone know if that is still around? I haven't found it yet, and have been looking on google
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12:10<Pepper>thecreator: apt-cache show linux-manual-2.6.18
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12:11<Pepper> thecreator: apt-cache show linux-doc-2.6.18
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12:12<thecreator>thanks. :) I'll grapb the one for my kernel
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12:13<norbert_>is it possible to save pictures in an .odt file?
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12:15<Pepper>you can save almost everything in odt as embedded object. (btw: this channel is debian)
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12:17<Phocean>Hi all
12:17<Phocean>I have a small trouble understanding an iptables rule
12:18<Phocean>the option is : --tcp-flags ! ALL SYN
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12:18<norbert_>Pepper: yeah, but #openoffice.org (and the dev channel) is dead
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12:18<Phocean>what does this mean exactly ? is it the same as NONE SYN ?
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12:18<norbert_>Pepper: embedded huh... can you give me pointers on how to do this? :|
12:19<Phocean>reading the man page does not help me to understand the way to read it
12:19<thecreator>norbert_: like pepper said, it's a debian chan. but, I'm sure google.com would have some useful pointers
12:19<norbert_>yeah, but google.com also has millions of useless pointers
12:20<norbert_>so I was hoping that maybe a Debian user uses OOo and can help me, people tend to run into similar problems
12:20<dendrite>Phocean: I'm guessing that must means the bang binds very tightly, e.g., only to it's immediate argument.
12:20<dendrite>Phocean: So ! ALL -> NONE -- the SYN is not affected by the '!'
12:20<dendrite>norbert_: Go try it. Things like this are easier to learn by doing than by typing in IRC.
12:21<Pepper>norbert_: Insert->image
12:21<norbert_>I know how to insert images
12:21<norbert_>the problem is that the person I'm sending the odt to isn't seeing any images that I inserted
12:21<norbert_>my guess is that the links go to file://
12:21<norbert_>and that they are not included in the document, for some reason
12:21<Phocean>dendrite, thanks
12:21<Pepper>only if you select (X) link
12:22<dendrite>norbert_: Create a small doc, copy it, insert a small image into the copy, and compare.
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12:22<Phocean>dendrite, it is what I thought too, but that means, according to the man page : don't check any flag, and select it if the flag SYN is active
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12:22<Phocean>dendrite, I thought it does not make sense
12:22<Pepper>norbert_: the small left bottom box of the insert-image dialog
12:23<dendrite>Phocean: Unless NONE is true only if NO header flags are set.
12:23<dendrite>Phocean: Which would make sense.
12:24<Pepper>norbert_: rename the odt to zip and unzip it. one of the Object-File should be the image.
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12:25<dendrite>Phocean: So matching ! ALL SYN means match packets with the SYN bit set, unless all the other flags are also set...
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12:26<norbert_>Pepper: interesting, I didn't know it was a zip file (or compatible)
12:26<norbert_>Pepper: no image in there, but I can't select the (X) link, because the document is finished, I'll try to edit the images
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12:27<Phocean>dendrite, thanks I understand how to read it now
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12:28<Phocean>dendrite, I think such a rule is wrong for blocking traffic on an external interface
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12:28<dendrite>Phocean: Unless you want to allow syn somewhere, but block xmas-tree scans.
12:28<Phocean>dendrite, I don't want to accept packets with all flags activated
12:29<dendrite>Phocean: Which is what that rules does.
12:29<Phocean>dendrite, ok
12:29<dendrite>! ALL <-- there.
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12:29<Phocean>dendrite, I got it
12:29<dendrite>Phocean: Assuming that's part of a -J ACCEPT rule, of course.
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12:30<Phocean>dendrite, here is the rule : iptables -A FORWARD -i ! eth0 -m state --state NEW,RELATED -p tcp --tcp-flags ! ALL SYN -j REJECT
12:31<Phocean>dendrite, I think the author misunderstood it
12:31<dendrite>Could be. Iptables is full of twisty turns.
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12:32<Phocean>dendrite, yeah ! thank you very much for your help !
12:32<dendrite>Phocean: You're welcome.
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12:35<jepe>hi all
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12:35<jepe>I need help for install vmware-server 1.5 on debian
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12:36<jepe>I have use vmware-package and VMware-server-1.0.5-80187.tar.gz
12:37<jepe>with the command make-vmpkg -b vmdebs
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12:38<jepe>I want install the result ... what must i do ?
12:38<jcole>im running amd64 arch... what is the syntax for sources.list to force i386 for a repository?
12:38<Pepper>jepe: the result are some .deb files?
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12:38<jepe>no a repertory
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12:39<jcole>im using dpkg --force-arch for manually downloaded debs... but id rather just add the repos themselves
12:39<gizmokaka>how do i share folder between two linux stations?
12:39<suiside>gizmokaka: nfs?
12:40<jcole>gizmokaka: nautilus ssh://servername
12:41<jcole>gizmokaka: provided you're running gnome and openssh-server on both machines
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12:41<gizmokaka>ko thanks
12:41<gizmokaka>ok
12:41<Pepper>jepe: don't know. did you read /usr/share/doc/vmware-package/README.Debian.gz
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12:42<Pepper>jepe: or the man-page for that command?
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12:43<gizmokaka>jcole , i got this error
12:43<gizmokaka>error host key verification failed
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12:44<jcole>gizmokaka: thats ok, just hit accept
12:44<gizmokaka>please select another viewer and try again
12:44<gizmokaka>no, it shuts down
12:44<gizmokaka>it doesn't let me
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12:45<valdyn>gizmokaka: log in via ssh from a terminal first, then once that works you can use nautilus
12:45<jcole>gizmokaka: on both servers, run "apt-get install openssh-server"
12:45<jcole>gizmokaka: as root
12:46<gizmokaka>on both sides?
12:46<gizmokaka>on the client to?
12:46<jcole>valdyn: nautilus will prompt to accept the key
12:46<jcole>gizmokaka: ya, just to make it easier
12:46<valdyn>jcole: it did not do that.
12:47<jcole>gizmokaka: valdyn is right
12:47<gizmokaka>OK
12:47<gizmokaka>I will try that
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12:47<jcole>gizmokaka: type this first "ssh servername" and accept the key there
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12:48<jepe>the repertory is vmdebs with repertory vmware-server with repertory vmware-serverxxx with two repertory debian modules and the gz file
12:48<gizmokaka>thanks
12:48<gizmokaka>i will try that in a minute
12:48<jepe>I look the man page
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12:58<Pepper>jepe: a look at http://wiki.debian.org/VMware might help too.
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13:01<jepe>Pepper the install is success
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13:12<jepe>Pepper : many thank's
13:12<jepe>bye
13:12<evoke>anyone hear of zone minder for home security system for linux
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13:22<Laeborg>what is the command to change password for an user in the terminal?
13:23<witte>Laeborg: passwd
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13:56<variable>how can it be that when I am on debian my network slows down (looks like there is some lag)
13:56<variable>?
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13:59<tzafrir_laptop>anybody using wicd (http://wicd.net , supposed to be a replacement for network manager)?
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14:00<@Ganneff>grrr @ spambots
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14:00<Sharp[Inst_Ubuntu]>Hi all.. I have a ... funny problem in a way. I didn't checked completely the command I launched, resulting in changing ownership of the file /etc/sudoers away from root:root. Now I can't sudo at all. How can I change the ownership back again? because I'm kind of stuck there with messages that I can't change ownership from not being root, etc..
14:01-!-Sharp[Inst_Ubuntu] is now known as LewisSharp
14:01<tzafrir_laptop>Sharp[Inst_Ubuntu], find out the password of root. Find a root expploit
14:01<tzafrir_laptop>or boot with init=/bin/bash
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14:02<LewisSharp>hum.. ok
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14:02<LewisSharp>where would I set the init part into?
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14:04<qq>LewisSharp: your are running ubunu ?
14:04<LewisSharp>yep
14:04<@Ganneff>you are wrong here.
14:05<LewisSharp>About to reinstall because I can't install g++ from many dependencies problems and I can't seems to fix this. Since I know that uninstalling almost everything will likely crash I'm looking forward to back up settings and reinstall again.
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14:06<noflash>LewisSharp, #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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14:06<LewisSharp>ah right.. I had debian before.. sorry :)
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14:07<qq>but you have change it :(
14:07<fxiny>233 spambots ? wt4x !
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14:08<@Ganneff>fxiny: we had thousands, in the past few days. *luckily* our infrastructure is able to detect them pretty fast
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14:08<fxiny>Ganneff: nice and clean :)
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14:10<user01>can you share a home directory if you dual boot debian with free or openbsd?
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14:14<tzafrir_laptop>user01, yes
14:14<tzafrir_laptop>add cygwin to that as well
14:15<tzafrir_laptop>user01, you just have to be careful with the partition type, I guess
14:16<user01>tzafrir_laptop, like one that is readable in both?
14:16*fxiny starts a subtle retaliation by cidr-blacklisting evil 88.252.0.0/15
14:16<tzafrir_laptop>one that is writable in both would be even better
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14:19<tzafrir_laptop>A read-only home directory is no fun
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14:21<fxiny>aarrrrgg
14:22<tzafrir_laptop>What alternatives do I have to using NetworkManager (looks plain ugly) and to keep on using the plain interfaces file?
14:22-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
14:22<@Ganneff>/ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS and its way more quiet
14:22<tzafrir_laptop>(annoying)
14:22-!-weasel changed the topic of #debian to: 4.0r3 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg dsa1571 | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | Offtopic: #debian-offtopic | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | maybe you want to /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS
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14:24<fxiny>is ok is ok : seeing this f*ers running one loop behind is funny ;)
14:25<fxiny>257 ;)
14:28<jaakko>tzafrir_laptop: I have been looking for the same.. didn't found.
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14:28<jaakko>tzafrir_laptop: I wonder as it would be so easy to write a GUI for modifying /etc/..interfaces file.
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14:35<weasel>hmm
14:35<evoke>anyone hear of zone minder home security system for linux
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14:38<jaakko>evoke: what do you mean, Google first hit gives this "Welcome to ZoneMinder.com, home of ZoneMinder the top Linux video camera security and surveillance solution."
14:39<weasel>so at least google has heard of them :)
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14:41<zeev>how can use echo in order to create a simple text file with several lines
14:41<zeev>?
14:42-!-mode/#debian [+l 395] by debhelper
14:42<jaakko>zeev: echo -e "row1\nrow2\n..."
14:42<zeev>thanks
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14:45<fxiny>this times 27 , last wave was 24
14:45<@Ganneff>dont waste time counting
14:45<fxiny>Ganneff: why ? could be a pattern
14:46<avu>today, the pattern's gotta be 42. happy towel day. :(
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14:48<tzafrir_laptop>jaakko, some people recommend wicd
14:48<tzafrir_laptop>I heard someone from Debian was working on something. But I guess it never got anywhere.
14:48<tzafrir_laptop>Or maybe on Lenny + 1
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14:49<jaakko>tzafrir_laptop: sounds good.. why that is not in debian packages?
14:49<fxiny>hahaha got it !
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14:51<mrsvin>how can i configure what server will start up when system is booting and stop others
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14:52<gizmokaka>HI, to all of you guys and girls out there
14:52<mrsvin>hi
14:52<gizmokaka>can someone please explain to me how to vpn connect to a remote computer?
14:53<jaakko>mrsvin: I think you mean services. Remove or add links to /etc/rc2.d/ or what runlever you want to modify.
14:53<fxiny>mrsvin: man update-rc.d
14:53<mrsvin>yes, services i mean
14:54<gizmokaka>fxiny, hello there mate
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14:54<fxiny>gizmokaka: hi
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14:54<mrsvin>jaakko: how can i check what services i am runnig at hte moment and their PID, then kill some
14:54<gizmokaka>faxiny, can you help me with that?
14:55<fxiny>vpn ?
14:55<gizmokaka>yep
14:55<HaMMiE>hi fxiny
14:55<fxiny>HaMMiE: hi
14:55<gizmokaka>how do i do that under debian
14:55<gizmokaka>?
14:56<fxiny>gizmokaka: i think you'll like this site : http://www.debian-administration.org/
14:56<fxiny>gizmokaka: plenty of nice tut
14:56<gizmokaka>thanks man
14:56<fxiny>gizmokaka: np
14:57<jaakko>mrsvin: I don't know how to find out what processes are system services and which are others.. but you can just "ls /etc/rcS.d" to see which are started at boot, and then "ls /etc/rc2.d" to see default runlevel.
14:57<jaakko>mrsvin: and to stop some service, eg sshd, "/etc/init.d/ssh stop"
14:57<mrsvin>ok, thanks
14:58<jaakko>mrsvin: the scripts are in /etc/init.d/ and the links in the other directories
14:58<mrsvin>ok
14:58<jaakko>mrsvin: the startup scripts are names S*
14:59<mrsvin>ok, thanks, a lot of information!
14:59<jaakko>mrsvin: there is a README in /etc/rcS.d/ and the others
14:59<mrsvin>ok
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15:00<jaakko>mrsvin: update-rc.d is just a tool to adding and removing the links. You can do it manually too.
15:00<mrsvin>ok
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15:03<jaakko>mrsvin: hmm.. perhaps I was misleading.. it runs the scripts at startup, but they are not all daemons, only some.
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15:04<weasel>soon we'll have klined all of turkey
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15:42<alejandro>hola a todos, tengo un problema con el sonido (no se escucha) solo para un par de aplicaciones.... antes tenia oss y ahora tengo alsa.... quizas tiene algo que ver con eso... (pero esas 2 aplicaciones nunca tuvieron sonido)
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15:42<alejandro>debian lenny gnome
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15:43<jaakko>alejandro: this is english channel, could you..?
15:44<alejandro>jaako: ok, thanks.. bye
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15:44<jaakko>alejandro: there might be channel for your language too
15:45<jaakko>alejandro: can't you speak english?
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15:45<alejandro>a little
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15:46<jaakko>alejandro: so what is your problem, in lenny and gnome?
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15:48<alejandro>I have a problem, with the sound in 2 aplications... (xmame zsnes) there are no sound.... before I have OSS and now ALSA... but, never I have sound in xmama and zsnes...
15:48<alejandro>my system is lenny, gnome
15:48<alejandro>and the configuration of sound in "aplicationes, sound and video, volumen control" is fine
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15:51<Mariem>hello !!
15:51<jaakko>hello
15:51<Mariem>please where can i find mouse.sh please
15:52<jaakko>Mariem: what is that?
15:53<Mariem>i am a debian/lenny on an ibook G3 i have fluxbox and xdm
15:53<Mariem>so in my ibook i have only one boutton mouse
15:54<Mariem>in order to emulate the others ineed to modify :mouse.sh
15:54<jaakko>Mariem: and you want to configure that?
15:54<jaakko>Mariem: ok, but I don't think it is mouse.sh.
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15:54<jaakko>Mariem: at least there is no such by default, I think.. How did you get that filename?
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15:55<jaakko>Mariem: there is some mouse setup in "dpkg-reconfigure xorg", but don't know if mac mouse supported.
15:56<jaakko>Mariem: my touch pad config was in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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15:58<phil_>Mariem: perhaps you can use something like xmodmap to remap although I never tried that with mousebuttons
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15:58<qq><qq> insatalle : mouseemu
15:58<qq><qq> installe le: mouseemu
15:58<qq><qq> Mariem:
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16:01<jaakko>Mariem: yup, qq give the right hint I think, aptitude install mouseemu. http://packages.debian.org/lenny/mouseemu
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16:12<variable>I cannot here the sound whene whaching on youtube
16:13<variable>and wideo goes like frames
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16:13<jaakko>variable: could you give more information.. which debian, how did you install flash..
16:13<jesperj>has anyone got sound to work with lxdoom? I get "I_InitSoundGen: Could not open /dev/dsp" when I try to execute /usr/games/sndserv
16:14<jesperj>Debian etch
16:14<jesperj>using lxdoom etch package
16:14<variable>4.0
16:14<variable>and installed through iceweasel
16:15<NinjaMan>guys, should I have route for the lo interface in my routing table?
16:15<jaakko>variable: does your sound work in other apps?
16:15<variable>yes
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16:16<jaakko>NinjaMan: I don't have in main
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16:17<NinjaMan>jaakko- thanks, I saw it in the LARTC documentation, but could not see it on my system, so was getting a little worried
16:17<jaakko>NinjaMan: you can check if it is in /etc/network/interfaces
16:18<NinjaMan>jaakko - it is, but there is just no route for it
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16:21<jaakko>NinjaMan: interesting question, but I have no problem without it. (ifconfig shows it running too)
16:21<NinjaMan>jaakko - same here - I guess it is now hidden to stop people inadvertently deleting it
16:23<fxiny>ip route list table local
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16:26<chump_>hey guys i was looking for a way to tag my files?
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16:31<variable>flash player use cpu or gpu?
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16:32<jaakko>chump_: what do you mean by tagging?
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16:32<justme>oh noes ^^ TerrorLoL
16:33<chump_>i'd like to organize my files better is there any program to help organize
16:34<chump_>i guess thats what i'm looking for
16:35<jaakko>chump_: don't know.. there are programs for organizing images, like Google's, but general..
16:36<jaakko>chump_: can't you just create directories and move them..?
16:37<phillipsjk>Chump_ sort of like the (old-school) color-coderd folders in macOS?
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16:38<phillipsjk>Mac OS uses resource forks for meta-data.
16:38*phillipsjk doesn't know if MacOS X deos
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16:40<chump_>i have a LOT of files to organize
16:41<chump_>likie some where around 2 teras worth that i'd rather not organize by hand
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16:42<fxiny>how comes 2 teras are in just one dir ?
16:42<chump_>its not
16:43<fxiny>so they are already "organized"
16:43<ggdG>chump_: what do you want to organize things on further?
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16:44<jaakko>chump_: I don't know how some program could do that without good AI. But perhaps you could try some indexing program and then do it manually. Google desktop or something like.. (tracker?)
16:44<fxiny>and then , what kind of file ?
16:44<fxiny>files*
16:44<duplex>hi. i have got a question, too. hope i can explain it correctly. i want to split a file with awk. then i want to pipe the result into a grep. it is no problem to do just a awk | grep. my problem is to do a grep on the individual variables of awk. i already tried this: cat file | awk '{ print $1 $2 $3 }' | grep $1 "pattern" | grep $2 "pattern" | grep $3 "pattern" hop you understand my problem
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16:47<jaakko>duplex: it might be easier to solve your actual need than try to figure it out your way
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16:47<fxiny>chump_: you can index some files with swish-e or mnogosearch , i use swish-e
16:48<duplex>hm. i want to filter the log file of apache with this
16:48<gravity>duplex: A one liner is more painful than it's worth. I'd just write a perl/python/ruby script and be done with it
16:49<jaakko>duplex: can't you just run that 3 times.
16:49<duplex>sure i could do but that would take lots of time
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16:50<chump_>fixny: they are all over the place and spanned accross different disks
16:50<jaakko>duplex: put it in shell script. time? cpu time?
16:50<fxiny>duplex: awk should do it , just awk
16:50<duplex>it is still a shell script. or more a cgi script
16:50<gravity>Yeah, fxiny is right
16:51<duplex>just time
16:51<duplex>to bad i am no awk-expert ^^
16:51<wurstwolf>hi all
16:51<gravity>duplex: Do you know any scripting language/
16:52<wurstwolf>is the current lenny-installer capable of using fromiso?
16:52<wurstwolf>i havent found the option yet
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16:52<duplex>it is for a project at university. and there we are only allowed to use bash
16:53<gravity>Wait, we're helping you with your homework?
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16:54<ggdG>nice homework
16:54<bchoward>I'm have this java applet that needs to take advantage of a more liberal java.policy - I created a .java.policy im my home directory, but java seems unable to find it when it loads the applet via the web browser.... any thoughts
16:54<duplex>no not really. it is still done. but i want to do it better
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16:55*gravity wonders why awk would be allowed and not perl
16:56<duplex>i cuz a simple shell skrip in bash is more simple, i thnk
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16:56<gravity>awk isn't bash though. awk is awk
16:57<duplex>and it is a introduction to unix. many don t know how to use a shell ^^
16:57<duplex>yeah sure
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16:57<fxiny>chump_: use symlinks then , swish-e can follow symlinks when indexing : swish-e -l -c your.conf
16:58<duplex>whatever. is it possible to do a echo $1 | grep "pattern with awk?
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16:59<jaakko>duplex: "man awk"
16:59<gravity>Yeah, just use awk.
16:59<fxiny>chump_: or look into mnogosearch . i use swish-e + jswishi (as a cgi) and apache .
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17:00<duplex>hm i have to find the right syntax
17:00<gravity>Or just skip awk all together and use things like cut combined with grep and some temp files
17:00<jaakko>duplex: if this is homework, you really should read those man pages
17:00<wurstwolf>is the current lenny-installer capable of using fromiso?
17:00<wurstwolf>i havent found the option yet
17:00<fxiny>duplex: awk can grep , yes : awk '/regex/'
17:01<jaakko>duplex: but I don't understand what is the hurry, why can't you have three rows in the script.. (for $1, $2..)
17:01<duplex>it was just a example. i have 10 variables
17:01<gravity>for loops totally rock
17:02<fxiny>duplex: are you processing lists ?
17:02<duplex>regex. another thing i have to learn more ^^
17:03<duplex>hm with for? thats a good idea. i have to try that too
17:03<duplex>sorry what do you mean fxiny
17:04<fxiny>duplex: are your files "lists" like name/addreses and such ?
17:04<dendrite>duplex: Why not use split (1) to split the file?
17:04<duplex>it is the access_log of apache
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17:04<fxiny>lists then
17:04<duplex>yeah
17:05<fxiny>i'd go for awk , awk is the best for lists
17:05<duplex>dendrite, haven t used split before. but i will check that
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17:06<dendrite>duplex: When you come at a problem from the solution side, instead of the requirement side, you're likely to miss lots of useful options for how to solve...
17:07<fxiny>true
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17:08<duplex>this is my first time that i use such complex commands. so i still have to learn
17:08<gravity>Heh, there's half a dozen really good options given already
17:09<duplex>yeah thanks for that. i will try them
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17:12<fxiny>gravity: who said perl is noy allowed ? perl splits and slurps ! ;)
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17:14<gravity>heh
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17:17<dr_D>Hi all!
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17:19<manu>hi all!
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17:20<manu>how do i mount ntfs partition?
17:20<dendrite>!ntfs
17:20<dpkg>ntfs is probably Windows NT's filesystem. There are 3 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ and http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html
17:21<kp>how do I get 3 women in bed at the same time?
17:21<kp>damn dpkg :(
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17:22<dendrite>kp: Leave the room? =)
17:22<manu>!ntfsrw
17:22<dpkg>If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs
17:22<dr_D>could you help me please...!? how to install xserver-common package from debian's ftp?
17:22<kp>hehe, im good. i idle lots, help when i can :)
17:22<dendrite>dr_D: aptitude install <package> <-- does that work?
17:23<dr_D>just a minute i should try i just newby in Linux
17:23<gravity>Why would anyone choose to install xserver-common?
17:23<dr_D>to install x window
17:23<dendrite>dr_D: It's a little odd that you'd want to install that package explicitly -- more generally, it would be pulled in to satisfy a dependency for some other more end-user-useful program...
17:24<dendrite>dr_D: Just install xorg
17:24<dendrite>dr_D: Apt will sort out all the dependencies (other things you need) and automatically offer to install them for you.
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17:25<dr_D>how to install xorg? sorry for that stupid quetion..
17:25<dendrite>dr_D: aptitude install <package>
17:25<dendrite>dr_D: Starting to see a pattern? =)
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17:26<dr_D>Yeap! and what's next?
17:26<witte>!set up x
17:26<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome><install kde><install xfce>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
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17:26<dendrite>dr_D: Note that by itself, xorg may be not all you want -- as in, you probably want to choose and install a windowing environment.
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17:29<dr_D>I got the following message:couldn't find any package matching "xorg". ...
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17:30<dendrite>dr_D: What flavor of linux are you using?
17:31<witte>dr_D: maybe you need to update first (aptitude update)
17:31<dr_D>I've installed debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso
17:31<witte>dr_D: did you set your sources.list correct?
17:32<witte>dr_D: meaning, did you select a mirror for the downloads?
17:32<dendrite>dr_D: Did the install go out on the Internet, and set up your package servers, and security update servers?
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17:34<dendrite>Hopefullyh dr_D's install wasn't as laggy as his IRC interaction is. :-)
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17:35<dr_D>I've installed VMware and the downlod debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso and set it up under VMware
17:35<dr_D>I use windows
17:35<dr_D>))
17:35<dendrite>dr_D: Did the debian install set up package mirror sources?
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17:36<dr_D>I think no
17:36<dendrite>dr_D: Then that's your problem -- the install image you used does not have X on it.
17:37<dendrite>!apt setup
17:37<dendrite>Darn.
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17:37<witte>!sources.list
17:37<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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17:37<witte>!apt-setup
17:37<dpkg>apt-setup was a means of adding a Debian mirror to your APT sources. To install from a cd-rom ask me about <apt-cdrom>. apt-setup is no longer available as a .deb (usable on an installed system) in etch and later since base-config was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> can be used instead.
17:37<ervis>how craete live cd like Kubuntu edubuntu run or install them from CD or USB like them ?
17:37<ervis>how craete live cd like Kubuntu edubuntu run or install them from CD or USB like them ?
17:38<witte>ervis: this is a debian channel
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17:39<jaakko>ervis: google for debian live
17:39<ervis>same for debian i like to create live cd
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17:39<dr_D>thanks a lot all!
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17:41<oompa_loompa>Im havin probles to run compiz on etch, it runs but without window borders
17:41<ervis>http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org
17:41<jaakko>though I wonder if all those scripts for creating a live cd is necessary.. isn't it easier to mount the filesystem image, edit, and create new image.
17:41<oompa_loompa>I installed emerald but its also a no go
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17:43<shze_>i have a laptop with ram soldered onboard which is broken at ~2M (and ~22M). i tried to make the kernel as small as possible, but it panics when unpacking the initrd.
17:43<shze_>i asked in #coreboot, they suggested to change PHYSICAL_START, but that didnt help. any other ideas?
17:44<amphi>shze_: did you try the badram patch?
17:44<shze_>amphi: yes, i was asking, but i cannot use it, because it only works after the kernel is running
17:45<ervis>any good tutorial or program that help me create a live cd
17:45<amphi>shze_: you'd perhaps have to install on another machine
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17:45<shze_>amphi: i'm doing that, but i get that panic after switching the hdd back to the laptop w/ the broken mem
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17:46<shze_>on the one i'm installing with it works
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17:48<amphi>shze_: AFAIK, you need to use memtest86 to find the bad address ranges, and pass those to the badram patched kernel
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17:49<duplex>bye
17:50<shze_>amphi: i did run memtest and i know the bad areas, but badram does not help me. the kernel uses the 2M area before its running (i guess from with the unpacked initrd)
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17:50<phillipsjk>shze_, I assume fixing cold solder joints (if that is the problem) is out of the question. (Probably Surface-mount)
17:52<shze_>phillipsjk: i tried to locate the memory, but i was not able to do that.
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17:53<phillipsjk>shze_, If it is new, RMA it. If it is old, it may be time for the scrap heap. To last: Then, how do you know it is soldered in place?
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17:54<shze_>phillipsjk: its old, and yes, i should probably get rid of it, but i thought theres a way to avoid using the bad memory...
17:54<dendrite>shze_: The RAM is likely to be among the larger chips, since it needs all those pins...
17:55<shze_>if i remove all memory from the slots it still has 64M memory left, this makes me think of soldered memory.
17:55<dendrite>shze_: Possible, for sure.
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17:56<variable>is there some simuler tool to total commander?
17:56*phillipsjk wonders if the bootloader can be taold to load the kernel at 4M
17:56<dendrite>variable: What's that?
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17:57<variable>it is tool for managing files and other stuff like norton comander
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17:57<gravity>Sounds like midnight commander
17:57<dendrite>variable: File management? try mc.
17:57<dendrite>!mc
17:57<dpkg>it has been said that mc is Midnight Commander an orthodox file manager for Unix-like systems (also works in Windows) and a clone of Norton Commander. Midnight Commander is a text mode application. The main interface consists of two panels which display the file system. see: http://www.ibiblio.org/mc/FAQ
17:58<variable>yes
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17:58<shze_>phillipsjk: have not found options to do that for grub (which i'm using atm)
17:58<variable>yes this one will fit
17:58<variable>thanks
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18:00<shze_>is there a way to make my initrd smaller? its ~1.8M, but the vmlinuz image is only ~550k
18:01<jaakko>shze_: if you don't need the modules inside initrd, you can boot without it
18:01<jaakko>shze_: and yes, you can modify it too.
18:01<dendrite>Though odds are you do need those modules... At least some of 'em.
18:02-!-mode/#debian [+l 364] by debhelper
18:02<shze_>jaakko: the config is allnoconfig+needed modules, so not much of them are left
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18:05<phillipsjk>shze_ Is there a "memory hole" option specified in the BIOS? It should probably be disabled.
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18:06<shze_>phillipsjk: i dont think, but let me check
18:07<shze_>no such option set
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18:08<shze_>phillipsjk: why should this cause a kernel panic?
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18:10<phillipsjk>Well, I'd be lying If I said I knew exactly what a "memory hole" option does exactly.
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18:19<shze_>should i ask somewhere else, at #debian-kernel?
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18:21<dezent>is hp doing a debian etch ?
18:21<variable>I cannot see a user on the network but I know that he is there, I can see other users.
18:21<variable>is there some way to see him
18:21<variable>?
18:22<dezent>se a user ?
18:22<dezent>see
18:22<variable>or to go to his shared directory?
18:22<dezent>are you talking about samba ?
18:22<variable>no
18:22<variable>about local network
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18:22<dezent>variable: how do you expect to see the user ?
18:22<variable>!nm-applet
18:23<dezent>whats that ?
18:23<variable>this should show me those users
18:23<Guest359> this is may fiirst time im irc and have big problem whit mysql linux lenny kernel 2.6.24.1-686 Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock
18:23<abrotman>dezent: why would they?
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18:23<variable>and it shows I gues
18:24<dezent>abrotman: i have no idea, he says he cant see a user on the local network and im trying to find out how he expects to see a user..
18:24<dendrite>Guest359: What have you tried, to fix whatever is wrong?
18:24<abrotman>what does that have to do with HP ?
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18:24<dezent>abrotman: ah nothing
18:25<dezent>abrotman: sorry, mixing stuff up here.. i got a HP DL 180 G5.. trouble with drivers
18:25<abrotman>vague
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18:25<dezent>exactly its the NIC driver
18:25<dezent>bnx2
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18:26<Guest359> first time be ok and reboot not have this mysql.socket
18:26<dezent>i think, wont work with the one in etch
18:26<dendrite>Guest359: And where did this linux/mysql install come from?
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18:27<Guest359>mysql 4.22tar gz
18:27<Guest359>not aptitude
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18:27<dendrite>Guest359: Sounds like you need to set up your init script to start mysql, just a guess.
18:27<variable>!smb
18:27<dpkg>smb is, like, Server Message Block or how Microsoft pulls off its networking sharing magic, or see <CIFS>, or Super Mario Brothers, or ask me about <samba>
18:27<dezent>abrotman: HP did sarge https://h20392.www2.hp.com/portal/swdepot/displayProductInfo.do?productNumber=T2812AA for HP machines.. im trying to find out if they do etch aswell
18:28<abrotman>Guest359: you built it from source .. ask #mysql on irc.freenode.net
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18:28<abrotman>dezent: that was different
18:28<Guest359>yes
18:28<dendrite>Guest359: I take it the packaged mysql is a problem for you?
18:28<abrotman>!tell dezent about etchnhalf
18:28<abrotman>Guest359: ask them .. not us
18:28<Guest359> thanx
18:28<dendrite>Guest359: Why not install the regular version available in Debian?
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18:29<dezent>abrotman: is that something i could put in production ?
18:30<abrotman>probably
18:30<abrotman>i haven't had a need for it yet
18:31<dezent>me neither.. but now i got this bunch of servers.. and i want debian on them
18:31<dezent>well well
18:31<dezent>worst case is RHEL
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18:33<Guest359>mayby ony one problem with IBSS STAs who ist this
18:34<dendrite>Guest359: Please speak English in this channel.
18:34<kevin_2876>Anybody using wireless g on thier system with wpa? Just curious.
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18:35<abrotman>kevin_2876: people are .. it's driver dependent
18:35<abrotman>and hardware
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18:36<kevin_2876>k, I'm going to start my search for compatable wireless cards for 2.6 kernel then. I think that is where I should start.
18:37<Guest359>sorry i'am speek english wery poor i'am speek german spain russchis polnish and this time to mi edukacion sorry for mi english
18:37<Guest359>and ok sorry bye
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18:37<abrotman>kevin_2876: there's a nice table on wikipedia
18:38<abrotman>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers
18:38<abrotman>well .. nice in that it shows "free"-ness
18:40<variable>!smb
18:40<dpkg>i heard smb is Server Message Block or how Microsoft pulls off its networking sharing magic, or see <CIFS>, or Super Mario Brothers, or ask me about <samba>
18:41<variable>!samba
18:41<dpkg>from memory, samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html), or #samba on irc.freenode.net, or <samba etch5>
18:41<dezent>well wtf.. i compile a kernel.. cant stand rhel
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18:41<abrotman>dezent: i'd try the etchnhalf first
18:42<dezent>abrotman: ok, ill give it a try. thanx for the help
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18:46<rootkit_t>apt-file update
18:46<rootkit_t>Put CDROM labeled [Debian_GNU/Linux_4.0_r3__Etch__-_Official_i386_DVD_Binary-1_20080217-11:31] in the cdrom device
18:47<rootkit_t>mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only
18:47<rootkit_t>cp: cannot stat `/cdrom/dists/etch/Contents-i386.gz': No such file or directory
18:47<rootkit_t>anyone know howto fix it?
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18:47<witte>rootkit_t: don't paste here in the future, use a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin)
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18:48<dezent>rootkit_t: remove the cd-stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list
18:48<witte>rootkit_t: did you put the correct cdrom/dvd in the plaer
18:48<witte>s/plaer/player/
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18:49<rootkit_t>yes i put the dvd which used to install this system in the player
18:49-!-pitti|away is now known as pitti
18:49<rootkit_t>any i see lot of newbie get the same problem
18:50<rootkit_t>but no one can help them
18:50<witte>rootkit_t: do you want to keep installing from the dvd, or just the latest versions from the web?
18:51<dezent>rootkit_t: do what i told you if you got internetconnection on the machin
18:52<rootkit_t>both,only form web when have new version.
18:52<dezent>then remove the cdrom stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list
18:52-!-g3 [~kutkip@ip117-23-211-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit []
18:53<dezent>then run apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
18:53<rootkit_t>this means debian can't work with its own cdrom at all
18:53<rootkit_t>?
18:53<dezent>well it can
18:53<rootkit_t>how?
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18:54<abrotman>does that file actually exist ?
18:54<dezent>do you have all the cd´s ?
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18:55<rootkit_t>you mean the command will order the wrong cd?
18:55<witte>is the dvd mounted at /cdrom?
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18:56<variable>so how to go into some user's directory on the local network with that samba
18:56<rootkit_t>mount /dev/cdrom
18:57<rootkit_t>mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only
18:57<rootkit_t>is that right?
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18:57<variable>need -t iso... forgot type ;/
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18:57<dendrite>rootkit_t: Yeah, that's normal when mounting CD's and DVD's.
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18:58<rootkit_t>but it still not work
18:59<witte>rootkit_t: where is it mounted? "mount | grep hdc"
19:00<Tetcheuu>hello
19:02<rootkit_t>howto get where is it mounted?
19:02<Tetcheuu>cd /to/location
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19:03<rootkit_t>cd: /to/location: No such file or directory
19:03<variable>;]
19:03<dezent>rootkit_t: you know what a rootkit is but you cant cd to a directory ?
19:03<variable>usualy it is in cd /media/cdrom
19:04<variable>if it is cdrom
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19:04<Tetcheuu>http://mally.stanford.edu/~sr/computing/basic-unix.html
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19:05<variable>help with that samba
19:05<rootkit_t>i can list files in this dir
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19:05<witte>rootkit_t: the thing is, probably your cdrom is mounted at /media/cdrom, and not /cdrom, or even at /dvd
19:06<rootkit_t>then howto fix it?
19:06<witte>rootkit_t: mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom
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19:07<rootkit_t> "/dev/cdrom already mounted or /cdrom busy"
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19:07<dezent>cd /cdrom might help ?
19:07<Tetcheuu>rootkit_t : ls /cdrom does output something?
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19:08<witte>rootkit_t: type mount, and show the contents in a pastebin
19:08<witte>!pastebin
19:08<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
19:08<rootkit_t>i can list files in /cdrom now
19:08<witte>rootkit_t: ok, that is one step further
19:08<rootkit_t>but it still not work
19:08<witte>rootkit_t: what gives "ls /cdrom/dists/etch"
19:09<Tetcheuu>dpkg : ok
19:09<dpkg>i don't know, Tetcheuu
19:09<rootkit_t>contrib main Release
19:09<dezent>head /etc/apt/sources.list
19:09<dezent>rootkit_t:
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19:10<witte>rootkit_t: according to the error you gave before, there should have been a Contents-i386.gz file...
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19:12<rootkit_t>it means the command are order the wrong cd?
19:13<witte>rootkit_t: i don't know, i never install anything but the base system from cdrom
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19:14<witte>rootkit_t: but i can't imagine it not to work, as there are certainly other people who have used the cdrom from etch in the year since it is released
19:14<rootkit_t>maybe its a unknow bug,i can google the same problem everywhere but noone can answer it.
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19:15<Tetcheuu>sorry I wasn't there at the begining, what's the issue?
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19:15<witte>Tetcheuu: rootkit_t is not able to search the contents of his debian install cdrom using apt
19:15<dendrite>rootkit_t: if you type "mount", do you see, in the mounts listed, an entry for /dev/hdc ?
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19:16<witte>dendrite: his cdrom is mounted on /cdrom, as he can see contents in that directory
19:16<Tetcheuu>is the path included in source.list?
19:16<Laeborg>i have mounted some old ntfs disc', but all folders and files where æ, ø or å is in (danish letters) is gone
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19:16<witte>!apt-cdrom
19:16<dpkg>apt-cdrom is, like, used to add new CDROMS to the apts list of available sources. Ask me about apt-cdrom_external
19:16<dendrite>witte: Ah, OK.
19:17<dendrite>rootkit_t: How many CD's did you order?
19:17<rootkit_t>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20080217-11:31]/ etch contrib main
19:18<rootkit_t>i only have 1st dvd
19:18<rootkit_t>and only it add to the sources.list
19:18<Tetcheuu>can you lists its content with ls /cdrom now?
19:19<rootkit_t>yes,autorun.bat dists install.386 pics README.mirrors.html tools....etc...
19:21<Tetcheuu>if a package is too old on the cdrom it will be ignored, i think
19:22<Tetcheuu>if you comment out other sources and then apt-get update, does it scan the cdrom?
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19:23<E0x>hello
19:24<rootkit_t>now i can make sure apt-file update are order the wrong file(not exist) in the dvd,when i use dvd in sources.list?
19:24<E0x>i do a upgrade , and now startx give a error , i ge sid , any workaround ?
19:24<rootkit_t>ok, i will try to comment it
19:26<Tetcheuu>a cdrom is a snapshot at a certain time in the distro's life, so if a package is newer on the web repository, it will be prefered by apt. Check packages.debian.org for info
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19:26<rootkit_t>i tryed,but it still got the same wrong.
19:27<Tetcheuu>waht error pls?
19:27<witte>rootkit_t: you have to apt-get update first i think
19:27<witte>Tetcheuu: stable is stable, meaning the repositories almost don't change
19:27<Tetcheuu>witte : thanks ;)
19:27<rootkit_t>yes,i update it already
19:28<rootkit_t>cp: cannot stat `/cdrom/dists/etch/Contents-i386.gz': No such file or directory
19:28<witte>rootkit_t: upload your sources.list to a pastebin
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19:28<rootkit_t>howto use pastebin?
19:28<Tetcheuu>ah, yes of course, i didn't followed since the begining. Though in case of security update...
19:28<starkatinvernalia>hi
19:28<witte>!pastebin
19:28<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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19:29<witte>Tetcheuu: true, but his problem is that he can't read on the cdrom (anything) when using apt-file
19:29<Tetcheuu>rootkit_t : whats your goal with the cdrom when you have internet?
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19:30<Tetcheuu>OK, thanks witte
19:30<rootkit_t>http://paste.lisp.org/display/61261
19:31<Tetcheuu>never used apt-file :-/
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19:32<witte>rootkit_t: ok, you still have a cdrom listed
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19:32<witte>rootkit_t: and no internet sources
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19:34<starkatinvernalia>is the cdrom you are using, the same revision is listed on your sources.list??
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19:35<Tetcheuu>and is apt-get update successful?
19:35<rootkit_t>of course i only have one cd
19:36<dendrite>rootkit_t: Do you have a decently fast internet connection?
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19:38<rootkit_t>ok,it work now,seem the dvd of debian are only can use once when you install system is the conclusion of this case.
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19:39<starkatinvernalia>of couse...
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19:39<starkatinvernalia>*course
19:39<dendrite>rootkit_t: Well, if you've done what you set out to do, then good. BUT, that DVD should allow continued use to add additional packages. So something's not right here.
19:40<rahim123>hi there, could anyone help me understand the structure of the acpi power management system in lenny?
19:40<rahim123>there appear to be so many conflicting systems, and i dont know what the default kernel supports, and what user mode pkgs i need
19:40<Tetcheuu>dawn, it's late here, my eyes are falling from my head ;)
19:41<rootkit_t>yes,i konw that.but seems no one can fix it.and only little people take care about it.so it get that conclusion.
19:41<dendrite>rootkit_t: w
19:41<dendrite>Argh.
19:42<Tetcheuu>depends on the type of hw you plan to use rahim123
19:42<dendrite>rootkit_t: Well, since it takes you about forever to answer (if you even do answer) questions, you're probably not going to get all the help here you might otherwise get...
19:42<rahim123>Tetcheuu: well, I need suspend to ram and suspend to disk for my laptop
19:42<Tetcheuu>what brand of laptop?
19:42<rahim123>Dell B130
19:43<rahim123>it works well out of the box on Ubuntu, and even better on Parsix,
19:43<Tetcheuu>eheh... debian is not ubuntu ;)
19:43<rahim123>but I would prefer a pure Debian system
19:43<rahim123>Parsix isnt either, it's Debian Testing, and it has great power mgmt :-)
19:44<Tetcheuu>check the i8kutils package
19:44<rootkit_t>finally thx for everyone's help.
19:44<rahim123>but I'm trying to figure out, does TuxOnIce work with the default Debian kernel? And how does acpi-support and pm-utils fit into the picture? and do I have to patch the kernel or is it supported by default?
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19:47<Tetcheuu>can't say, sorry
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19:48<rahim123>maybe a more general question, there are quite a few linux-patch-* packages in debian, does that mean it patches the installed kernel, or is it for compiling?
19:48<Tetcheuu>it worked out of the box on a D600 for me... with standard kernel
19:48<rahim123>that right? any idea what packages you installed?
19:49<rahim123>like this: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-patch-tuxonice what does this "patch" do?
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19:49<lordaxel>ciao
19:49<lordaxel>grazie ciao
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19:51<Tetcheuu>nothing specifiq, but all dell related i could find useful
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19:52<Tetcheuu>sorry, can't help further
19:52<rahim123>thanks just the same!
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19:54<Tetcheuu>good night
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19:55<blissini>hello?
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21:06<_fang>hello! how do i change the i/o scheduler? is it at boot time or can i change it on the fly?
21:06<_fang>i wanna test the anticipatory scheduler =]
21:06<nevyn>the io scheduler can be modified on the fly
21:07<nevyn>_fang: what's yoru workload?
21:07<nevyn>cause my experience has been that anticipatory sucks hard for many io loads
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21:10<_fang>i just code a bit in ruby and C, for the rest it is a commom desktop usage
21:10<nevyn>anticpatory imho sucks for desktop use
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21:11<_fang>nevyn: Oo i would test it just because i read it was good! so, cfq is my best choice?
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21:21<_fang>well, anyway. how do i change the i/o scheduler? =)
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21:24<ceaal>hello!
21:24<ceaal>I am running debian woody in a very old pentium. I was wondering which would be the official window manager for woody...
21:25<nevyn>_fang: /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler
21:25<ceaal>i can see through synaptic that there is a lot of gnome relatep packages, but no gnome package
21:25<nevyn>cat it to find the current sched echo "anticipatory" > /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler to change
21:25<ceaal>is there gnome in woody?
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21:26<nevyn>ceaal: debian provides a large number of window manager options
21:27<nevyn>ceaal: none of which are the "default" or "official" option
21:27<_fang>nevyn: ok! thank you very much
21:28<ceaal>nevyn: In debian lenny I am able to install gnome, kde and others
21:28<ceaal>nevyn: is there the possibility to install gnome in debian woody
21:28<ceaal>?
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21:29<ceaal>I think I can install kde, but that would be too heavy for a 120Mhz pentium with only 64MB or ram
21:29<ceaal>woulsn't it?
21:29<ceaal>wouldn't *
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21:31<nevyn>ceaal: not in my opinion
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21:32<ceaal>what about the disk space? i only have 356M available
21:32<ceaal>nevyn
21:33<nevyn>I wouldn't consider either gnome or kde on that spec hardware I'd probably go with fluxbox or somethign
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21:34<ceaal>ok, thanks! :)
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21:35<tony>hello,anybody here?
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21:38<starkatinvernalia>hi
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21:39<starkatinvernalia>and ceaal, take a look to fvwm
21:40<starkatinvernalia>mhh..... ok, ceeal is gone..............
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22:24<twb>Is it possible to generate a syslog event when a user exceeds his NFS quota?
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22:28<jello>hi all
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22:29<jello>i have a thinkpad t61, and sound works when i first boot up, but alsa doesn't find the sound card after hibernate/resume. any ideas?
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22:46<uhriventis>What do I need to get so I can make for source packages?
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22:47<jello>can you be clearer?
22:47<jello>what are you trying to do?
22:48<Supaplex>you want to create new packages that don't already exist in debian?
22:48<uhriventis>Compiz
22:48<uhriventis>I downloaded it
22:48<jello>it's packaged
22:49<Supaplex>you want updated packages? see backports, etchandhalf, simple sid backport, uupdate
22:49<uhriventis>I origionally installed it from synapti but, it wouldn't show up on APplications
22:50<Supaplex>why would it be considered an application?
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22:50<uhriventis>Or on prefrences and Administration
22:51<uhriventis>It does that with most programs I try to get
22:52<uhriventis>Says it's installed and when I goto look it's not there
22:54<Supaplex>the window decoration aspects, or enhancements, are more like an extension or plugin
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22:55<uhriventis>How would I go turn them on?
22:55<Supaplex>are you trying to run it after install? eg, you don't know how to start it? (hence the menu option)
22:55<uhriventis>Yeah I don't know how to start it
22:57<Supaplex>I'd try restarting xorg. other than that, I don't know. I avoid it as it contends with winehq
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22:58<fenix>oi
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22:58<Supaplex>uhriventis: btw, dpkg -S <package> will show the files used in that package. since compiz depends on a few other packages, you can list each of those. you'll see where the docs, man pages, binaries, and other stuff lives.
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22:59<uhriventis>Okay
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23:01<Supaplex>grrr
23:01*Supaplex scorns his external sata enclosure
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23:17<luser__>Hello can anyone tell me what version of Debian is needed to run Firefox 3 (beta or RC)?
23:19<qq>firefox is not in debian
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23:19<nevyn>qq: but iceweasel is.
23:19<Hydroxide>luser__: if you want to run Debian's version, you'll need to run unstable and pull the iceweasel package from experimental. If you want to run the Mozilla-branded version, etch will probably be fine, but it won't integrate as well into Debian as our version.
23:19<Hydroxide>luser__: also, Debian seems to have beta5 but not RC1.
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23:20<Hydroxide>luser__: I wouldn't recommend using unstable if you're new to Debian, unless you're already used to using unstable.
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23:27<pgquiles__>my /var/run is 100% full, how could I get some free space without rebooting?
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23:29<twb>pgquiles__: /var/run should never be full
23:30<twb>It should only use a few hundred kiB
23:31<pgquiles__>twb: that's exactly what I thought until today
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23:32<twb>pgquiles__: perhaps you should look inside it to find out where the space is being used up.
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23:32<twb>But putting /var/run on its own filesystem is pretty dumb.
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23:33<luser__>Hydroxide, thanks that's very helpful, do you know if the Mozilla release will run on Etch Stable or Testing? Last time I tried there were some missing / wrong version dependencies to run FF3b5
23:33<pgquiles__>twb: that's the oddest part of the problem, there are a couple of mount points under /var/run but on different filesystems, it looks like nothing is "eating" the space :-?
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23:35<twb>pgquiles__: is /var/run its own filesystem, or are you just providing misleading information?
23:37<pgquiles__>twb: it's a different mount point and it's tmpfs, not actual disk space
23:38<pgquiles__>it's not a plain directory in /, if that's what you meant
23:38<twb>pgquiles__: making /var/run a tmpfs is rather pointless
23:38<pgquiles__>twb: isn't that what the LSB says? /var/run is cleared everytime the system boots
23:39<twb>It's probable the FHS specifies that, yes.
23:39<twb>It means that a tmpfs /var/run is valid, but still pointless.
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23:40<qq>tmpfs is a ram fs
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23:42<Supaplex>why would it be pointless?
23:42<qq>mounted in /lib/init/rw
23:46<twb>Supaplex: because /var/run gets negligible amounts of writes
23:46<twb>Supaplex: basically it's unused after the services have started
23:46<twb>Supaplex: unlike /tmp and /var/log, for example
23:47<twb>/var/run is basically only used for pidfiles.
23:47<Supaplex>ahh
23:47<twb>(Correct me if I'm wrong.)
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23:48<Supaplex>i pretty much agree.
23:48<twb>I've also found that mounting tmpfs can sometimes confuse start scripts, because they create files / dirs before mount-local-filesystems happens
23:49<twb>e.g. /var/log tmpfs confuses dmesg
23:49<Supaplex>yeah, I'd use permanent storage for /var/log
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23:50<twb>I don't on my Eee PC because space is precious and /var/log grows a lot
23:51<twb>But yeah, it's a dumb thing to do
23:51<rav>hello. i just installed debian lenny, and i'm having some problems. i tried to install the nvidia kernel modules with module-assistant, but it says that it can't get the source packages, to check the sources.list
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23:51<twb>rav: well?
23:52<Supaplex>rav: do you have main contrib and non-free?
23:52<rav>twb: my sources.list is correct and includes contrib and non-free
23:52<twb>rav: you have deb-src lines?
23:52<twb>Oops, forget that
23:52<rav>twb: yes
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23:53<twb>What is the exact m-a command you're running?
23:54<rav>twb: i use the interactive menu
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23:54<qq>missing linux-headers of your kernel version
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23:55<StevenX>guys, how do i run multiple x displays? I know I have to press ctrl+alt+f1, then what do I do?
23:55<rav>qq: i installed it with aptitude
23:55<qq>k
23:56<rav>when i ran the prepare command in m-a, it installed build-essentials, and said that some other packages where recommended, but didn't installed them. could that be it?
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23:57<twb>!nvidia one-liner
23:57<dpkg>nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
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23:59<Supaplex>~lart locatedb for lacking IRL object support
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23:59<rav>twb: thanks
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