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00:01<rav>on another topic, i'm trying to enable my atheros wifi card. in most of the tutorials i find on the web, it says to run 'make menuconfig'. where do I run this?
00:01<Supaplex>!madwifi
00:01<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. No AR5008 support until 0.9.5.
00:02<twb>!madwifi-install
00:02<dpkg>[madwifi-install] ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
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00:06<rav>the kernel that was installed doesn't come with madwifi, it has ath5k instead. should I go back to madwifi?
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00:15<pucallpa>feeback
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00:29<azulesmar>Soooo
00:29<azulesmar>New here...
00:29<azulesmar>any idea why there's no linux-image-##-i386?
00:30<azulesmar>can only get em64t or amd64
00:32<nevyn>generic is i386 on debian i386 builds
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00:34<azulesmar>nevyn..can you clarify? i apt-cache search linux-image...and there's amd64, and em64t
00:34<azulesmar>no generic, no i386...
00:34<nevyn>what version of debian did you install?
00:34<azulesmar>etch
00:34<azulesmar>which should be stable, yeah?
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00:34<nevyn>for what archetecture?
00:35<azulesmar>well it's an i386 machine
00:35<azulesmar>but it appears to have autodetected amd64, somehow. thats what's in /boot
00:35<azulesmar>(used win32 installer)
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00:40<azulesmar>apt-cache search linux-image at home yields diff results...even though using the same apt source
00:40<azulesmar>could there be some filter on my apt search results
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00:43<phillipsjk>azulesmar, they dropped thi i386 kernel image, try i486
00:44<azulesmar>still...i ONLY see em64t and amd64 options on this pc
00:44<azulesmar>searching at home yields a wide variety
00:44<azulesmar>including i486
00:44<azulesmar>they have the same sources.list file
00:44<azulesmar>i'm so confused lol
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00:52<dataangel>I am a new user to debian, i was wondering if i changed my respository to testing would i get the xfce window manager with the transpartent windows ????? its not in my current xcfe build
00:52<dataangel>?}
00:53<dataangel>i alos want to reinstall xcfe as some of the top sections of myw idnows i, when using wine, qemu etc are garbled and i think something strange is corrupted becuase it the graphics look a little strange in different ways every time these windows show up , unless of course its a x winoes issue
00:54<dataangel>anyone?
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00:56<Pepper>azulesmar: try: dpkg --print-architecture
00:57<phillipsjk>dataangel, for your first question, you may want to try a "compiz" window decorator
00:57<azulesmar>pepper: amd64
00:57<azulesmar>pepper: i can't apt-get install base-config
00:57<w00p>Can someone help me? I have a HP Compaq laptop, with Conexant 5051 Audio chipset. The sound is fine, but when i plug in the headphones, the speakers are not mutted. Any idea?
00:57<azulesmar>hahahhaa FUBARed
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00:58*phillipsjk was wondering how to get the current arch
00:58<Pepper>azulesmar: so you installed the amd64 version of debian. (no i386 images available)
00:58<dataangel>right one of those compositing manager , there is one built in within xcfe, but not in the debian build with etch
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00:59<Pepper>azulesmar: if you realy need i386 you can reinstall with an i386 disk-set
00:59<dataangel>so i was wondering if i went from stable to testing for my sources would i get the xcfe with the compositng window manager, i forgot what it was called, xfwm on something!
00:59<twb>dataangel: xfwm4 is a compositing manager, I believe.
00:59<azulesmar>pepper: thanks. no idea how this happened, but i'll reinst.
00:59<twb>dataangel: however, the version in Etch is probably too old.
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01:00<Pepper>azulesmar: maybe your cpu is an 64bit one. so the installer choose to use amd64 which supports 64bit.
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01:00<phillipsjk>I have not tried it, but It is my understanig that "compiz" is the window manager you refer to, and that "compiz-gtk" may work with your existing WM. I could be wrong. ( apt-cache search compiz)
01:01<dataangel>i fdont need compiz, i have aghetto 1ghz petium without a aagp slot and i know from my ubuntu (soory about that) dist that xfwm works reasonably well on it!
01:02<dataangel>but i sick of ubuntu. the latest stable release sux.
01:02<Pepper>dataange1: Be warned, testing is not stable: http://www.debian.org/releases/
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01:02<phillipsjk>yes you need 3D accelaration for compiz :)
01:02<twb>dataangel: compiz is just *one* compositing manager.
01:03<dataangel>i n fact i have given up on ubuntu after a nightmare install of kqemu that never got rsloved, i just gave up after hours of banging on the bloody keyboard, it works great in debian however ;)
01:03<twb>xfwm4 and kwin also support basic compositing
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01:03<dataangel>its all i need i dont need the fancy 3d stuff. :)
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01:03*phillipsjk would love to have a "getto 1GHz" machine :)
01:04<dataangel>its a lot of fun, its a compag made in chine, it wa s free fter my "dude i got a dell" power supply freied my "dude i got a dell" laptop :)
01:05<dataangel>sorry about the typing i am sshing and its a little slow for some strange reason!
01:05<dataangel>chine=china
01:05*phillipsjk has rewired a DELL Power supply to power a standard ATX machine
01:06<dataangel>maybe you will have "dude i got a dead dell too" experience, its a new feature :)
01:06<phillipsjk>THere is one (redundant) pin unconnected IIRC)
01:06<dataangel>its designed to keep you on a steady upgrade path in case you want to run windoze
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01:07<phillipsjk>I got the DELL Power supply to replace the mini power supply that came with the amature build :P
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01:38<sander>I'm trying to configure xinerama with two screens.. I get the following error when I try: http://pastebin.ca/1029610
01:38<sander>(WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:6:0:1) found
01:39<jm_>try these tips http://udrepper.livejournal.com/
01:41<sander>cool.. i
01:41<sander>i'll try
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01:49<grub>hey could anyone give a list of popular light weight window managers
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01:50<grub>anyone will do
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01:51<Pepper>grub: all window managers can be found with: apt-cache search x-window-manager
01:51<grub>i iam on windows right now
01:52<grub>xp
01:52<Supaplex>grub: I like openbox3
01:52<Supaplex>grub: packages.debian.org will work in place of apt-cache (for popular things)
01:53<grub>i need a list can you paste all that you know (not gnome and kde)
01:53<Pepper>grub: http://pastebin.ca/1029621
01:53<grub>pepper, i need te popular ones
01:53<twb>Anybody wanna tell me that apt-zip and apt-walkabout are evil and deprecated and shit, and that I should use some other, better thing?
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01:54<Pepper>grub: compare with: http://popcon.debian.org/
01:55<twb>Better to use qa.debian.org/developer.php, which IIRC includes popcon data and allows you to filter them easily
01:55<grub>i need just three four cannt google soo many
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01:56<Pepper>grub: all your homework belongs to you.
01:56<grub>hahaha :-) please can you just tell me the ones you like
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01:57<grub>openbox looks very nice
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01:58<twb>grub: what do you want it for?
01:58<grub>a 256mb ram machine
01:59<twb>grub: do you like manually placing windows, or tiling them? Do you want a taskbar, a system tray, window decorations? Do you want gradients on the decorations, or just a solid colour? Do you need a menu built in or are you going to use 9menu?
02:00<grub>i need everything all of them tiling taskbar, a system tray window decorations gradients on the decorations menu built in
02:01<twb>Then I guess you want dwm.
02:01<twb>Actually, that doesn't do decorations.
02:01<twb>I don't think you can have a tiling WM that also has a taskbar and decorations.
02:01<jm_>or icewm-lite
02:02<twb>icewm-lite isn't a tiling window manager.
02:02<twb>Although it has bindings for "tile vertically" and "tile horizontally"
02:02<jm_>yes, it's way more flexible
02:02<twb>jm_: FSVO flexible = makes the end user manage windows :P
02:03<grub>i need names will an older version of gnome do??
02:03<twb>grub: what names?
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02:03<grub>iam migrating from windows so i need something like that
02:03<twb>grub: icewm is the most Windows-like of all Debian WMs
02:04<twb>Assuming by Windows you mean Windows 98 through XP; it does not look or feel much like Vista, I guess
02:04<Pepper>vista on 256MB ;-)
02:04<grub>icewm dosent seem to have good graphics
02:04<twb>XPDE is actually even closer to Windows in some ways, but it's written in Pascal, is completely unmaintained, and full of evil horrible bugs.
02:05<twb>grub: try Start > Themes
02:05<grub>in what
02:05<twb>In IceWM
02:05<grub>ohh it looks beautiful
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02:06*twb sighs
02:06<sander>jm_, thanks. it works.. only thing is that I want the meny and stuff in the right screen instead of the left.
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02:06<grub>so if i install icewm ill have all themes in my dektop??
02:07<twb>grub: all what themes?
02:07<grub>themes of icewm
02:07<grub>like gertpalstic
02:07<grub>etc........
02:08<twb>grub: I think there are a bunch in a package called "icewm-themes" or similar, but apart from about 80 themes most of them have to be downloaded by hand from themes.freshmeat.net
02:08<sander>Anyone know how to switch which screen to have menu's in with xrandr xserver-xorg config?
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02:09<grub>ok so if there a readymade debian iso for icewm??
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02:10<grub>will icewm work alone in x or will it require a dektop environment
02:11<dataangel>right now , my xcfe based dist is only using about 180 megs of ram. try that
02:11<grub>sorry byt i need more ram
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02:12<grub>can ihev both like in one i have xfce and in one i have icewm
02:12<che_Loverz>fdfrsg
02:12<twb>sander: what menus?
02:13<twb>grub: icewm does not require a DE
02:13<grub>ok so only x is required
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02:13<grub>??
02:13<twb>grub: no, you will also require a kernel, a userland, /proc, libxpm, and a bunch of other things.
02:14<grub>WELL THAT WILL BE THERE ALREADY ON THE DISTRO
02:14<sander>twb, application menu.. panels and stuff like that.
02:14<twb>sander: what provides these?
02:15<sander>What do you mean?
02:15<twb>sander: is it provided by gnome-panel, 9menu, ion, fluxbox, a GTK application... or what?
02:15<sander>Is it possible to just move panels to another screen?
02:15<grub>iam completely new i need somthin ready to install and use
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02:15<sander>I'm using gnome
02:16<grub>well sander you have ram 256mb + i dont
02:16<simonrvn>a
02:17<grub>is there anyready made distro with icewm??
02:17<twb>grub: no.
02:17<twb>sander: OK, I think you just middle-click drag to move gnome panels
02:17<grub>then what will i do??
02:17<sander>twb, dosnt work.. it just pops back again..
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02:18<sander>twb, And I also want my desktop on the same screen
02:18<twb>sander: it should "click" when it gets close to the wall of the other screen
02:18<sander>twb.. the same screen as the panels.
02:18<grub>can i use gnome as a DE and icewm as a window manager??
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02:18<twb>grub: yes.
02:18<grub>now that wont be resource hungry??
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02:18<twb>It will be resource hungry, because GNOME always is.
02:18<sander>twb.. I can drag it to the other screen.. but when I release the mouse button... it just pops back to the other screen again..
02:19<twb>sander: I can't help any more. I suggest you discuss it with the GNOME people
02:19<sander>twb, in xinerama I just told screen0 to be left of screen1 instead of screen 1 to be left of screen0
02:19<sander>twb, ok.. which channel should I go to then?
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02:20<twb>sander: I think they have their own IRC server
02:20<grub>so first iget the debain-gnome distro then i uninstall gnomewm and install icewm
02:20<twb>sander: off the record, you are basically fucked because GNOME hate their users.
02:20<sander>twb, lol.. okay :-p
02:20<grub>so what about kde + icewm??
02:21<twb>grub: what about it?
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02:21<grub>resource hungry??
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02:22<sander>twb, but you dont know how to switch the order of the screens?..
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02:22<sander>Hmz. i'll ask someone else.
02:22<twb>grub: instead of asking me, why don't you just TRY these things?
02:22<twb>sander: define "order"
02:22<grub>i have to downlaod a distro first
02:22<twb>sander: if you mean which one is :0.0 and which is :0.1, then I think you have to turn them both off, then each on one at a time
02:23<twb>grub: this channel is only for the Debian distribution. If you are not using Debian, go elsewhere.
02:23<grub>iam using debian but only with cli on a balde server
02:23<grub>i need it for my laptop too
02:23<twb>grub: so do something like "apt-get install xfce4 xorg"
02:24<grub>hey hey
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02:24<grub>chill down a bit
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02:24<twb>Some people try my patience.
02:24<simonrvn>some are just trying.
02:25<simonrvn>...and make you want to slap them silly.
02:25<twb>I'm conflicted
02:25<twb>At the same time, I want to smack him, but also I don't want him making Ubuntu popular
02:25<sander>twb, I have a desktop with two screens beside eachother.. where I can move the mouse from one to the other.. but when I move the mouse to the left on the left screen.. I get into the right screen..
02:25<twb>Because then they lure away the devs
02:25<simonrvn>twb: too late on #2
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02:26<duplex>hm. i still got problems with the syntax of awk. i want to make a grep on just one variable. i thought this would functon but it doesn't "awk '{ print $1" "$4" "$5" "$6" "$7" "$8" "$9" "$10 | "grep $1 zeus |grep $6 POST"}' access_log"
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02:26<twb>duplex: are you grepping a stream, or a file?
02:26<duplex>file
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02:27<simonrvn>(ubuntu being popular) i don't see debian suffering from that, except the odd ubuntuite in one of the #debians
02:27<twb><file nl | grep ': foo' | cut -d: -f 1 | while read n; do sed -n '$n p' file; done
02:28<twb>simonrvn: I guess I'm just annoyed because they seem to actually be doing some development work now -- meaning that there are people developing for them that aren't developing for us
02:28<twb>e.g. openssh-blacklist
02:28<simonrvn>they've been doing that for a while
02:29<duplex>okay. i gonna try that twb
02:29<twb>duplex: not that's O(nⁿ) time or something
02:29<twb>*note
02:29<duplex>okay
02:29<twb>n², rather
02:30<twb>Fuck, I don't know
02:30<twb>Something bad
02:30<simonrvn>i see it this way, they're doing what they said they'd do, except partly (at least) passively.
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02:30<twb>I wish Ubuntu had been a subproject rather than a fork, too
02:30<simonrvn>("contributing back to debian stuff they take from debian")
02:31<sander>Anyone good at xrandr xserver-org configs? how do I get Option "RightOf" "dvi0" to work?.. I only get LeftOf to work
02:31<simonrvn>i.e., the flow is more or less even both ways.
02:31<che_Loverz>what is your name
02:31<twb>simonrvn: you think so?
02:31<simonrvn>sander: ask in one chan at a time please.
02:31<duplex>but i thought i could be just with awk
02:31<duplex>*be possible
02:31<sander>simonrvn, okay. sorry.
02:32<phillipsjk>If I was going to do develpment work, I thimnk I would start with damnsmalllinux because It does al lot of things I think OSs should. (I would start by improving the documentation)
02:34<simonrvn>twb: iow, yes i do ;)
02:34<jm_>duplex: I suggest you to read some awk docs first -- one can easily do $1 ~ /zeus/ && $6 ~ /POST/ and so on
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02:35<duplex>yeah i still read some docs sure
02:36<twb>jm_: ooh
02:36<twb>duplex: yeah, I don't awk.
02:37<simonrvn>just gawk ;p
02:37<simonrvn>sometimes even drool
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03:07<rgl>when we just install the base system, grub isn't given as an option? I mean, I just installed the base system, but only LILO is available to be configured
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03:09<morgan`>hello
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03:11<k-man_>whats the status of compiling the nvidia kernel driver with 2.6.25? does it work yet?
03:11<Supaplex>depends on your definition of 'works'. ;)
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03:12<k-man_>Supaplex, works= compiles cleanly out of the box, and loads into the kernel after booting and xorg runs successfuly
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03:14<jm_>rgl: how did you install it?
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03:16<rgl>jm_, using the iso. for some wacky reason grub is failing installing :/
03:16<jm_>rgl: grub-install leaves error log in /tmp when it fails
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03:17<rgl>ah, cool. I'll check them.
03:17<rgl>oh, vi is not inside the installer? :/
03:17<rgl>only nano? :(
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03:18<rgl>jm_, there is nothing insode /tmp :/
03:18<jm_>rgl: are you checking this after installing lilo and rebooting?
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03:19<rgl>jm_, I'm using the console that d-i provides use at vt2
03:19<rgl>err, s,use,us,
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03:19<jm_>rgl: after grub installation failed or what?
03:20<rgl>jm_, yes, d-i has the grub failed install dialog, so after grub install failed.
03:20<jm_>rgl: hmm is this etch?
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03:20<rgl>jm_, yes. latest
03:21<rgl>4.0r3
03:21<rgl>(amd64)
03:22<rgl>and syslog only has "apt-get install grub failed" :(
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03:23<jm_>rgl: that's not grub-install AFAIK
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03:25<jm_>rgl: that sounds like apt-get install grub failed, not grub-install - are there no more details?
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03:30<rgl>jm_, I'm affraid not. at least not in /tmp/* or /var/log/ :)
03:30<rgl>rather... :(
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03:31<jm_>rgl: well try installing it yourself then
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03:32<rgl>jm_, omg... I've erased the old LVM volumes, and left the disk without partition, rebooted, did the same procedure again, and now grub installed correctly :/
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03:33<jm_>rgl: ahh the issue might be with grub's support for raid/lvm then and that may be why they install lilo in such cases
03:34<rgl>jm_, something got confused. but I now learned that I should always start witn a empty partition table *G*
03:35<rgl>jm_, you use grub or lilo?
03:35<jm_>rgl: grub, but I don't use raid/lvm
03:36<rgl>for some reason, grub has always failed me in some way or another... maybe I'm using the wrong thing :/
03:36<jm_>I am using grub since before it was available in Debian
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03:44<Guest414>hi people, since this morning I have a propblem with my debian etch system. I have the following symptomes:
03:44<Guest414>- one monitor in my dualscreen configuration doesn't work anymore (is not detected in ati control panel)
03:44<Guest414>- i have a very small font all over my system
03:44<Guest414>- iceweasel and icedove both wont start anymore (exit before rendering without messages)
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03:45<weasel>drpill: don't do that.
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03:46<drpill>ok I'm sorry
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04:03<Bas1984>hi, all of a sudden (i did not upgrade ore change anything deliberatly) one of my monitors in dualscreen configuration wont work anymore. I am running debian etch on amd64. i looked in /var/log/Xorg.0.log but I see nothing outstanding there. How can i debug this one?
04:04<Supaplex>your config should be /etc/X11/xorg.conf
04:04<Supaplex>if your hardware is flaking out, you might need a reboot.
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04:05<Bas1984>tried a reboot, did'nt work.
04:05<Supaplex>what's the time+date stamp on your xorg.conf?
04:05<Supaplex>when did this last work?
04:05<Bas1984> 15 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
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04:06<Bas1984>last worked on Fri 23 May 2008. /etc/X11/xorg.conf has: 3251 2008-01-02 17:51 xorg.conf
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04:07<Supaplex>and you restarted xorg sometine on or just before friday?
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04:09<Bas1984>on Fridays i did not restarted X, i restarted my computer about 3 days before friday, but i dont remember exactly. On Friday i shut my pc down. This morning when i start it up again i had 2 screens on the graphical login manager from debian, after that it went to only one monitor
04:10<NOKEiCAt>hi everybody what version of debian is better to install a counter strike on it ?
04:10<NOKEiCAt>hi everybody what version of debian is better to install a counter strike server on it ?
04:10<NOKEiCAt>i means sarge or debian ?
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04:11<rgl>NOKEiCAt, probably ask the counter strike guys?
04:11<Supaplex>Bas1984: you might want to look at /var/log/dpkg.log for recent installs or debsums for package intregrity
04:11<Bas1984>ok
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04:12<Supaplex>NOKEiCAt: sarge is old. etch is stable. heck, lenny is in pre-freeze as we speak.
04:12<NOKEiCAt>some people told me that counter strike server was more stable on debian sarge
04:12<NOKEiCAt>is it true ?
04:13<rgl>when we do a ip addr list, we get something like: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,10000> what is the meaning of that 10000?
04:13<Supaplex>heck if I know
04:13<Supaplex>NOKEiCAt: no idea.
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04:14<NOKEiCAt>ok Supaplex :)
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04:15<Supaplex>rgl: what's the exact command?
04:15<rgl>Supaplex, the one I told :D
04:15<rgl>Supaplex, ip addr list
04:16<Supaplex>ok. I thought I saw "like" before that. my poor tired lazy eyes. :)
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04:23<jm_>rgl: those are flags in hex
04:23<rgl>jm_, where did you see that? :D
04:24<rgl>jm_, its the "BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP" in hex?
04:24<jm_>rgl: in the sources
04:24<jm_>rgl: well bitfield for those yeah
04:24<rgl>jm_, the iproute2 source, correct?
04:24<jm_>rgl: iproute package as it's called in debian
04:25<rgl>jm_, ah yes. iproute :D
04:25<rgl>jm_, but 10000 isn't just one flag?
04:25<Supaplex>void print_link_flags(FILE *fp, unsigned flags, unsigned mdown)
04:25<Supaplex>ip/ipaddress.c
04:25<jm_>rgl: that's why I said bitfield
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04:26<rgl>jm_, I mean, shoulnd't there be 3 bits on?
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04:27<jm_>rgl: it looks like the code unsets some bits
04:27<Supaplex>maybe it's IFF_RUNNING
04:27<jm_>rgl: i.e. first it prints the flag then it unsets it, and then prints what's left at the end
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04:27<rgl>jm_, or that 10000 are the bits that iproute cannot known it meaning, so it just dumps it has hex?
04:28<rgl>jm_, ah thats it :D
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04:28<rgl>jm_, the unknown stuff is displayed in hex.
04:28<rgl>this leave us with another question, why doesn't it known about that flag :D
04:28<jm_>rgl: right, and 10000 would be IFF_LOWER_UP
04:29<jm_>dunno, I am looking on etch, maybe it has more flags in newer releases
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04:29<StevenX>Hello. I am trying to run multiple sessions of x display (so taht I can run a full-screen game on one session). I hit "ctrl+alt+f1", log-in, and then run "startx -- :1". However, it switches screens but never really starts up the new x session. When I got back to ctrl+alt_f1 it says "X Client 1 rejected from local host. No protocal specified."
04:29<StevenX>Can someone help me fix this?
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04:30<jm_>how do you know it doesn't start it? did you try telling it to start xterm for example?
04:30<rgl>jm_, I'm looking in etch too. probably the newer iproute packages knowns about these flags.
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04:31<StevenX>jm_ i see a screen that looks "static-y"
04:31<Supaplex>rgl: #define IFF_LOWER_UP 0x10000 /* driver signals L1 up */
04:32<Supaplex>include/linux/if.h
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04:32<rgl>Supaplex, nice :D
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04:32<rgl>Supaplex, just need to known what "L1" means *G*
04:32<Supaplex>layer 1, osi model
04:33<niels>Moin,Moin!Ist ein Samba Guru anwesend? oder einer, der sich mit Samba auskennt?
04:33<Supaplex>"physical"
04:33<rgl>ah, L is for layer :D
04:33<rgl>so the UP that shows up is the administrative "UP"?
04:33<jm_>!de
04:33<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
04:34<rgl>(the UP that shows up in the ip addr list output=
04:34<kobe>hello
04:34<jm_>StevenX: i.e. annoying checker-board pattern?
04:34<kobe>i have a problem i don't have sound i can't retire "sourdine"
04:34<Supaplex>*AHCHOO*
04:36<StevenX>jm_, something like that
04:36<StevenX>jm_, but not quiet
04:38<jm_>StevenX: do you have ~/..xsession? if not, "echo xterm > ~/.xsession" and try again
04:38<jm_>~/.xsession that is
04:40<StevenX>i do have .xsession
04:41<jm_>what's in it?
04:41<Supaplex>magic
04:41<jm_>are you using sid?
04:42<StevenX>it says that .xsession is not a directory
04:42<StevenX>so don't know what's in it.
04:42<jm_>uhm man cat
04:44<StevenX>when i do a nano .xsession all it says is xterm
04:45<ggdG>StevenX: seems you typed "echo xterm > ~/.xsession" before checking
04:45<kobe>someone can help me please
04:46<StevenX>ggdG, yea. should i delete that file?
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04:47<ggdG>StevenX: depends on jm_ intention of giving you that command because I dropped into the conversation later
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04:47<StevenX>Hello. I am trying to run multiple sessions of x display (so taht I can run a full-screen game on one session). I hit "ctrl+alt+f1", log-in, and then run "startx -- :1". However, it switches screens but never really starts up the new x session. When I got back to ctrl+alt_f1 it says "X Client 1 rejected from local host. No protocal specified."
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04:50<ggdG>StevenX: sorry I don't know but perhaps jm_ intended to give you a term in each screen at least to be able to start the game...
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04:51<StevenX>i will re-start comp. maybe that will fix it
04:51<StevenX>bt
04:51<jm_>StevenX: does it start xterm now? are you using sid?
04:51<StevenX>br
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04:57<StevenX>jm_, i am not using sid
04:58<Supaplex>in mother russia, sid uses YOU
04:58<Supaplex>rgl: also, net/core/dev.c has references to IFF_LOWER_UP
04:58<Supaplex>StevenX: glad we're not in russia eh? ;)
04:59<StevenX>lol
04:59<StevenX>yea
05:01<jm_>StevenX: and the other question?
05:01<StevenX>what was other q?
05:03<Supaplex>i can has cheezeburger?
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05:06<Slydder>hey all
05:06<Supaplex>!seen all
05:06<dpkg>i haven't seen 'all', Supaplex
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05:06<Supaplex>yup. sounds like Slydder needs some meds. ;)
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05:09<Slydder>have a strange problem here. If I execute: /usr/bin/curl http://194.59.17.59/mjpg/video.mjpg | /usr/bin/ffmpeg -er 1 -y -b 200 -an -maxrate 900 -f mjpeg -r 20 -i - -croptop 2 -cropbottom 4 -cropleft 8 -cropright 2 http://localhost:8090/buga_feed.ffm > /dev/null 2>&1 ffmpeg is still VERY loud. any ideas how I can send this to the background without having to see all the output ( sending to background with & also has no major effect).
05:11<Slydder>older versions of ffmpeg supported -v quiet. the newer versions don't.
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05:14<jm_>Slydder: is ffmpeg writing directly to a tty then?
05:14<bony>can any one help me on making distro with out internet?
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05:15<Slydder>yeah
05:15<Supaplex>Slydder: mplayer ? :)
05:15<Supaplex>!next
05:15<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building
05:15<Supaplex>that was for bony. :)
05:15<Slydder>no. piping a curl retrieved mjpeg to ffmpeg for processing and uploading to ffserver
05:16<Supaplex>ahh
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05:19<user>could any one help me
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05:20<Supaplex>!tell Guest426 -about ask
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05:21<Guest426>can u tell some thing about mount
05:21<Guest426>y mount is needed for????
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05:22<Supaplex>it's to mount filesystems
05:22<phani>can u expain it detail
05:22<phani>???
05:22<phani>can u explain in detail
05:22<Supaplex>yea, run 'man mount'
05:23<phani>k
05:23<phani>can u sugget me more about mount
05:23<Supaplex>!tell phani -about grounding
05:23<Supaplex>good luck. i'm off to zzZZZzzzz land.
05:23<phani>i do not know about it
05:24<Supaplex>!grounding
05:24<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
05:24<ggdG>phani: it links filesystems to folders you specify
05:24<Supaplex>linux has folders?
05:24<Supaplex>oh, directories.
05:24<ggdG>lol
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05:24<Slydder>god. pipermail has to be the worst mailing list archive system EVER devised.
05:24<Supaplex>meh brain is tired :)
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05:25<Supaplex>Slydder: oh I'm sure someone wrote one in php. laters.
05:25<phani>can u suggest me any materials for mount
05:26<phani>y my hard ware devices needs to be mounted
05:26<Slydder>Supaplex: of course they have unfortunately the ffmpeg mailing list archive uses pipermail so that means no search function.
05:26<sheldonh>i recommend a latex condom and a water based lubricant
05:26<Slydder>unless you count reading every single post a search function.
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05:26<Slydder>sheldonh: whipped cream is also a plus
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05:27<truant>list
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05:28<shutera>허브
05:29<shutera>go 37
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05:31<truant>hwo?
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05:34<pip>i recently
05:36<pip>edited a file in etc/X11?xorg.conf file
05:36<pip>sudenly my GUI has gone
05:36<pip>could u help me o this
05:37<pip>could u help to recover my GUI mode
05:37<weasel>undo what you did.
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05:39<pip>at last of the text i typed 800x600 ,sorry i typed this with no prior knowledge
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05:40<pip>and i dont know how to undo it also
05:41<ggdG>pip: you have no clue what the original resolution was?
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05:46<niels>mal eine ganz andere Frage: Wie kann ich den Fensterinhalt aus putty heraus kopieren?
05:47<weasel>markieren?
05:47<pip>ya i know
05:47<pip>it is 1024x768
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05:48<ggdG>pip: so you need to edit it and change it back
05:48<pip>how to change,
05:48<ggdG>pip: you should become superuser first
05:49<pip>i did not even change the resoluton ,ijust typed the resolution at the end of the text
05:49<pip>and i saved it
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05:49<pip>and i finally lost my gui
05:49<ggdG>pip: ok and you only know gui editors?
05:50<pip>i m very new to linux
05:50<ggdG>pip: cool that you installed it
05:51<ggdG>pip: are you root on the moment?
05:51<pip>yes
05:52<ggdG>pip: "vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
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05:53<pip>after that what should i do
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05:53<ggdG>pip: you can scroll down with ctrl-D or pgDn
05:53<pip>k
05:53<pip>then
05:54<ggdG>you should find the place where you made the changes
05:54<ggdG>"/Disp" might help
05:55<pip>k thank u
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05:56<ggdG>well vi is not that userfriendly if your new to it
05:56<ggdG>but usefull to learn
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06:12<nils_FR13>Hi all,
06:12<nils_FR13>I've a ASUS M3A-H/HDMI mother board with an Atheros L1 Gigabit lan controler, but, the driver of this lan controler is not in the netinst (AMD64) CD, does someone knows where could I find this driver module ?
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06:15<jm_>nils_FR13: atl1 is in the kernel since 2.6.21
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06:16<nils_FR13>ok, so if netinst doesn't find it alone, I should find it in the list of lan driver ?
06:16<jm_>depends on your kernel version ...
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06:19<ggdG>I've been struggling to get either hibernation or suspend-to-ram to work and failed so far. While resuming the system falls back into sleep mode it seems. I also tried to patch tuxonice in a kernel but failed to get it working. Any suggestions?
06:19<nils_FR13>ok jm_,
06:19<nils_FR13>well, the kernel version is the one of the last amd64 netinst CD => debian-40r3-amd64-netinst.iso, but I don't know wich one it is ?
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06:19<ggdG>btw I'm using a fujitsu siemens amilo li1705 (cheapo) laptop
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06:21<stevo>hi
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06:22<jm_>nils_FR13: uname -r will tell you, also /msg dpkg kmuto
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06:24<nils_FR13>ok, going to check it ...
06:25<stevo>hmmm
06:26<stevo>test
06:26<stevo>test
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06:33<nils_FR13>the kernel is 2.6.18 (amd64), so it's not 2.6.21, then where can I find the amd64 netinst CD with an 2.6.21 kernel ?
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06:37<gsimmons>!tell nils_FR13 -about kmuto
06:37<mariusp>Could anyone lend me a hand or point me in the right direction to get an nvidia fx 570m working correctly with debian lenny and compiz? It is horribly slow.
06:40<avtobiff>mariusp, use the nvidia driver (proprietary)
06:41<mariusp>I am. Installed it from sid
06:41<avtobiff>mariusp, have you configured xorg to use aiglx glx dri etc? (glxinfo | grep dri should say yes)
06:42<mariusp>avtobiff, it seems that I have not. I didnt know this was required?
06:42<mariusp>avtobiff, could you point me to some documentation or some explanations?
06:42<avtobiff>mariusp, it is not. but if you dont you wont use hardware acceleration and then it becomes slow.
06:42<jm_>it's done by default if you have properly installed nvidia driver
06:42<jm_>and told X to use it
06:42<avtobiff>mariusp, nope. not on the top of my hat
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06:43<mariusp>how do I "tell" X to use it? nvidia says to remove the dri line from modules from xorg.conf .. is that the dri I should be loading?
06:44<jm_>grep nvidia xorg.conf
06:44<mariusp>jm_, yes, the Driver section
06:44<jm_>mariusp: does it say Driver "nvidia"?
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06:46<mariusp>jm_, yes
06:46<jm_>mariusp: then you should see direct rendering: yes
06:46<jm_>or Yes
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06:47<nils_FR13>is there a way to get the AMD64 netinst CD with an 2.6.21 kernel ?
06:47<mariusp>jm_, glxinfo | grep -i direct returns "direct rendering: yes" .. avtobiff mentioned that I should be using aiglx glx dri .. which is something I am not sure how to accomplish
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06:49<cq>hello, how do I get rid of packages selected with 'deinstall' (dpkg --get-selections)
06:49<jm_>mariusp: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz
06:49<avtobiff>mariusp, strange...
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06:50<mariusp>avtobiff, very. also no borders with gtk-window-decorator..I have to use emerald .. but it is just really slow and it should be quite fast given the hardware
06:50<avtobiff>mariusp, but if you edit your xorg.conf you should see somewhere that it says module "somenamehere" or load "somemodule", just put in lines with load "glx" etc. for aiglx i dont rememebr
06:51<avtobiff>mariusp, the wiki page is good
06:51<mariusp>avtobiff, Yes it is. I used it to do the initial install ..
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06:55<nils_FR13>should I install it with the 2.6.18 AMD netinst CD, and then upgrade it to 2.6.21 after install done ?, no other way to get 2.6.21 kernel ? at install time
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07:00<jm_>nils_FR13: kmuto has 2.6.24 install cd-s, do you read anything we tell you?
07:01<nils_FR13>I do, I should have jump a line
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07:08<nils_FR13>missed !, not jump, thank you for information
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07:36<nils_FR13>jm_, this time KMUTO etch-custom-0720.iso - kernel 2.6.21 can not mount the CDROM and KMUTO etch-custom-0215.iso - kernel version 2.6.24 seems to have troubles to load the kernel, displaying same lines without going futher, so I don't know what to do ?
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07:39<jm_>nils_FR13: kernel is loaded by boot loader, maybe your system has problems reading the CD - you could just install with whichever CD works for you and the put new kernel on it to get networking going
07:39<jm_>then*
07:40<gsimmons>nils_FR13: Try using the 0215 (most recent) or 1013 kmuto revisions. Failing that, force usage of the generic IDE driver.
07:40<gsimmons>!generic ide
07:40<dpkg>Force usage of the generic IDE driver by providing "generic.all_generic_ide=1" as a boot parameter to <d-i>.
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07:43<nils_FR13>it's strange original netinst CD sees my CDROM drive, and KMUTO netinst CD dosen't,
07:43<nils_FR13>I've pluged an old ethernet card, that works with 2.6.18, so I think I'll setup Debian like this, and upgrade to 2.6.2x when running good,
07:43<nils_FR13>is that a good idea ?
07:43<jm_>yes
07:43<nils_FR13>ok
07:43<jm_>newer kernels use libata based drivers for IDE, that's probably causing it
07:44<nils_FR13>so, I'lll come back later for help to upgrade the kernel, thanks !
07:44<nils_FR13>ha, ok, (libata)
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08:01<dezent>!tell dezent about etchnhalf
08:01<zobel>!etchnhalf
08:01<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/
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08:04<tiagosab>Hi! I set up alt-\ as a hotkey with xbindkeys and it used to work; I just upgraded my lenny system and now it only works if no window has focus. Does anyone knows what can I do?
08:04<tiagosab>BTW: Other hotkeys with alt still work fine.
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08:19<nils_FR13>thanks dpkg, but I'll continue with 2.6.18 netinst and an old ethernet card, and, will upgrade the kernel when done
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08:22<engkur>hi all
08:23<engkur>today we have training class
08:23<engkur>we have configure wlan card Rt2500
08:23<engkur>the card was up, and running with rt2500 module driver
08:23<engkur>and run well under gui gnome
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08:25<engkur>but if we configure under console
08:25<engkur>we stuck :(
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08:26<engkur>I was configure /etc/network/interface
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08:26<radiocentral>hi
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08:26<radiocentral>alguien sabe español?
08:26<radiocentral>podrían ayudarme con un par de dudas sobre ubuntu?
08:27<engkur>hi espanol guy :)
08:27<radiocentral>Hola
08:27<radiocentral>hola engkur
08:27<radiocentral>hablas español?
08:27<engkur>im kurniadi, but im come from indonesia
08:27<radiocentral>ummm
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08:28<engkur>please speak english
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08:28<radiocentral>i'm not much speak english
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08:28<engkur>me too
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08:29<engkur>i speak indonesia
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08:30<radiocentral>understand
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08:33<engkur>so what your problem
08:33<m0RrE>hello everyone.. is it possible to safely downgrade from lenny to etch and how should it be done?
08:34<radiocentral>my pc (ubuntu) not save archives in red xp
08:34<radiocentral>for what?
08:35<radiocentral>permissions?
08:35<m0RrE>questions about ubuntu shouldn't be asked in this channel
08:37<radiocentral>mmmm
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08:39<m0RrE>well, i got it.. hope the downgrade proceeds without errors.. :P *afk*
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08:42<engkur>maybe #ubuntu channel
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08:43<engkur>radiocentral, mount with ntfs-3g
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08:49<radiocentral>engkur, who?
08:50<engkur>???
08:50<radiocentral>mount with ntfs-3g, an xp in red
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09:06<rahim123>hi there, anyone know how to make pm-utils obey the /etc/hibernate settings file?
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09:08<normalnick-kgb>Hello
09:08<normalnick-kgb>can anyone help me with OFF TOPIC question ? few persons. Just few seconds.
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09:13<normalnick-kgb>Hello
09:13<normalnick-kgb>Can anyone have few sec. off spare time ?
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09:20<PetaWindows>normalnick-kgb: ..........?
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09:20<normalnick-kgb>PetaWindows: are u still there ?
09:21<PetaWindows>yes
09:21<normalnick-kgb>How old they are in that photo: http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3118/85763517gn9.jpg ? Thanks :)
09:22<PetaWindows>no fakin idea
09:22<normalnick-kgb>sorry fot OT.
09:22<PetaWindows>normalnick-kgb: he is older i think
09:23<normalnick-kgb>ok but how old is he and she ? what u think ? (there is no good answer in that quiz)
09:24<PetaWindows>normalnick-kgb: what I am supposed to win?
09:25<normalnick-kgb>nothing im afraid :(
09:25<normalnick-kgb>just answer please :)
09:25<PetaWindows>uhmmmm....
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09:26<PetaWindows>normalnick-kgb: 19-20 / 16-17 ??
09:26<normalnick-kgb>thanks :)
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09:27<PetaWindows>normalnick-kgb: really?
09:27<PetaWindows>normalnick-kgb: how old are they?
09:27<normalnick-kgb>Do u really want to know ? :)
09:27<PetaWindows>yes
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09:28<normalnick-kgb>HE: 21 SHE: 13 can u belive it ? funny as hell
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09:28<PetaWindows>normalnick-kgb: wow
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09:28<normalnick-kgb>thats why im asking :] its funny to see such diffrents opinions about age :]
09:29<PetaWindows>normalnick-kgb: you are him
09:29<normalnick-kgb>no
09:29<normalnick-kgb>my friend
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09:31<PetaWindows>normalnick-kgb: they seems to be from a "north-eastern" country
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09:32<PetaWindows>*seem
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09:40<normalnick-kgb>Peta: its Poland
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09:47<normalnick-kgb>thanks for help :)
09:47<normalnick-kgb>bye
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10:00<m0RrE>http://m0rre.tx-shells.net/entertainer-frontend.py-bugreport.txt
10:01<m0RrE>anyone knows about this kind of error?
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10:49<Black_Angel>ciao
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10:58<rakesh>hi
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10:59<rakesh>hi harry
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10:59<rakesh>hw to connect to ymesenger
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11:23<DTE>hi all
11:23<DTE>i'm getting some very strange errors on apache server with horde webmail installed
11:24<DTE>http://rafb.net/p/7M0enJ98.html
11:24<DTE>this are the errors...somebody already got this?
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11:27<noflash>DTE, bts ?
11:28<DTE>bts?
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11:28<noflash>!bts
11:28<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges .
11:30<DTE>i really don't know if it's apache or horde problem...horde is from cvs...no
11:30<DTE> the debian package
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11:37<armx>hi
11:37<armx>somebody know a "how to repair the run-levels"
11:38<kason>init
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11:38<armx>init ????
11:39<armx>but i can't repair the default order with init ...
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11:39<armx>with init i can repair just one daemon ...
11:39<armx>some idea ???
11:39<engkur>cat /etc/inittab
11:40<engkur>update.rc
11:41<armx>but with update-rc.d i can repair one daemon for time
11:42<armx>i need some script or idea for repair the default order in all daemon
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11:47<edenroz>hello,what is channel for italian?
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11:52<cahoot>!it
11:53<noflash>!.it
11:53<dpkg>rumour has it, .it is Italy, or try #debian-it on irc.freenode.net for help in your native language.
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11:54<thoron>|/win clo
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11:56<AbsintheSyringe>my network-manager-gnome always displays that I'm offline, even tho I'm connected, debian testing nm 0.6.6-2
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12:01<mtn>AbsintheSyringe: Look in /etc/network/interfaces and comment out iface ethx inet dhcp if you have it
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12:02<mtn>AbsintheSyringe: and auto ethx too
12:02<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, k
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12:02<cahoot>in fact everything but lo
12:02<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, what about auto lo
12:02<AbsintheSyringe>oh k
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12:03<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, /etc/init.d/networking restart
12:03<AbsintheSyringe> after all these changes?
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12:04<armx>AbsintheSyringe, why not use wicd ... is
12:05<mtn>AbsintheSyringe: I think so and restart nm-applet
12:05<AbsintheSyringe>armx, never thought of it ... worth it?
12:05<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, tnx, it was annoying me so much
12:05<mtn>AbsintheSyringe: :)
12:06<gsimmons>DTE: Note "HTTP spoken on HTTPS port" in your error message. You can use "openssl s_client -connect srv-clu-2.webfarm.local:443 -state" on the host to verify the SSL handshake.
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12:08<DTE>gsimmons: i have other sites running well on ssl
12:08<DTE>i think it works well
12:08<DTE>just with horde gives me problem
12:08<m0RrE>http://m0rre.tx-shells.net/entertainer-frontend.py-bugreport.txt <-- any ideas about this?
12:09<m0RrE>seems to be a debian-related issue since it's apparently working on ubuntu, and i'm getting the same error on another computer running debian
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12:11<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, it works fine now, few things failed to boot while booting my system (like nfs and such) but that's not a problem no?
12:11<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, and one more thing, I won't have to do every time I change my ip address?
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12:12<mtn>AbsintheSyringe: are you doing dhcp or static ip?
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12:12<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, home it's dhcp, work it's static
12:13<mtn>AbsintheSyringe: nm-applet will let you choose a new network using dhcp, but you will have to make changes for static
12:14<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, same ones I just made for dhcp? that is the ones I just changed?
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12:14<mtn>AbsintheSyringe: the changes you just made are so that nm-applet will work automatically.
12:15<mtn>AbsintheSyringe: you can also make other changes to your network settings using it.
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12:15<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, why is this happening in the first place?
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12:17<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, and what about certain services failing to start during boot (such as nfs)?
12:17<mtn>AbsintheSyringe: I don't know if they are related. I don't think so.
12:18<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, hm, either way I saw few services to fail after I altered the settings
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12:22<mtn>AbsintheSyringe: hmm, maybe uncomment "iface lo inet loopback"?
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12:23<JennyC_>hi, I'm having a dependencies problem. I tried upgrading the Perl-Base library, and dependecies became broken. when I try to fix them it tells me I can't because perl-base is too new a version
12:23<JennyC_>any way to correct this?
12:23<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, I already uncommented it a second ago, do you mind I look at your /etc/network/interfaces?
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12:24<JennyC_>it won't let me uninstall the newer perl-base without fixing dependencies, so I'm stuck in a loop
12:24<mtn>AbsintheSyringe: mine is different. I am not using nm-applet, I just got it working previously.
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12:24<mtn>Did you reboot after changing it?
12:24<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, yup, that's how I saw services failing
12:25<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, this is mine right now http://rafb.net/p/yb7vzO10.html
12:26<mtn>AbsintheSyringe: I said uncomment that line. Right now is commented out.
12:27<Hideo>JennyC_: testing or unstable?
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12:27<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, I'm sorry, which one? what line no?
12:27<DTE>this is definately strange
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12:27<DTE>i delete one permission in mysql
12:28<JennyC_>testing Hideo
12:28<DTE>created again the same and now it works
12:28<DTE>mah
12:28<mtn>AbsintheSyringe: line 6
12:28<Hideo>JennyC_: does "apt-get -f install" do anything?
12:28<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, ooh, I'm sorry I misunderstood you >_<, let me try what happens now
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12:29<JennyC_>Hideo - Can I message you the error message I get?
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12:30<nick01>the nm-applet shows that networking is disabled- how do I make it see my connections P?
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12:31<nick01>is nm-applet on supposed to work with wireless or something ?
12:31<cahoot>yes
12:32<nick01>that would explain it tks
12:32<cahoot>nick01: i e it's supposed to work with wifi
12:32<nick01>cahoot, k, so how do I stop it from starting then ?
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12:34<nick01>cahoot, stopping the network-manager services seemed to have done it
12:34<avu>nick01, just remove the package if you don't want to use it anyway
12:34<cahoot>nick01: I just removed it - you know that you need comment out everything but lo in interfaces?
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12:34<cahoot>for nm to work
12:34<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, same thing :(
12:34<mtn>AbsintheSyringe: sorry, out of ideas
12:35<nick01>cahoot, but even if I do that nm would only work with wifi ?
12:35<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, what are you using now for this same situation?
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12:35<AbsintheSyringe>if you don't use nm-applet anymore
12:35<cahoot>nick01:no I think it manages all sorts
12:35<mtn>AbsintheSyringe: I just let network manager handle it, doing dhcp. Like you were at first.
12:36<nick01>cahoot, and then it would allow me to configure static IP and such or it only works with dhcp ?
12:36<cahoot>nick01: sorry - Idon't use it have no deeper knowledge
12:36<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, tried wicd? someone suggested it here
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12:36<nick01>cahoot, ok tks :)
12:36<mtn>AbsintheSyringe: no, I haven't.
12:37<AbsintheSyringe>mtn, k tnx
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13:11<petoj>hi, how can I change kernel ticrate without having to recompile kernel please?
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13:14<qq>no way
13:16<petoj>qq: thanks...
13:16<qq>or use "on demande"
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13:18<Supaplex>petoj: ticrate?
13:19<Supaplex>what's that?
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13:20<petoj>Supaplex, it says, how accurate should be OS timer
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13:21<Supaplex>I still wonder how to recompile a single driver. but alas, distcc+20000 bogomips of raw power turns it into short work.
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13:32<fxiny>i believe that is "a *warehouse* to spammers" :P
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13:44<valdyn>Supaplex: make path/to/file.ko
13:45*Supaplex presses the Staples button
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14:03<\3TATUK>How can I recreate a local trace on my system similar to this PHP?...: http://freedns.afraid.org/domain/dnstrace.php?domain=freedns.afraid.org
14:04<Supaplex>dig +trace does something like that, but not in the same format
14:05<\3TATUK>alright thanks
14:05<\3TATUK>basically the same info though
14:05<Supaplex>yup. no need to spam both #debian channels btw :)
14:05<\3TATUK>traceroute didn't provide the auth servers
14:05<\3TATUK>well i mean
14:05<Supaplex>traceroute has nothing to do with the dns system
14:06<\3TATUK>it _is_ on different networks
14:06<\3TATUK>and i only posted once.. so it's not spamming so much
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14:06<Supaplex>don't look at me. the ops request the same
14:07<E0x>somebody with a howto of debian +ldap+mail-server ?
14:07<fxiny>still alive , TATUK ? :P
14:08<\3TATUK>ya
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14:08<\3TATUK>eh?
14:09<\3TATUK>Supaplex: but i mean if you had to make a best guess, you'd say that afraid.freedns.net traceroute php used either dig +trace or dnstracer or something else?
14:09<\3TATUK>obviously the afraid system runs FreeBSD so it might be something else
14:09<Supaplex>\3TATUK: no idea. all I know is dig +trace can accomplish a similar goal
14:09<\3TATUK>but if you had to reproduce that PHP script.. what would be your tool of choice? just dig +trace / dnstracer .. basically
14:09<\3TATUK>(just exploring options here)
14:10<\3TATUK>thanks again
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14:10<Supaplex>I don't need php :)
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14:10<\3TATUK>i know ;x i'm speaking hypothetically
14:10<\3TATUK>in other terms
14:10<\3TATUK>i'm looking for something that provides the same info locally without un-needed info
14:11<Supaplex>did you even try it?
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14:11<\3TATUK>yes
14:11<Supaplex>so you want consulting?
14:11<\3TATUK>i like conversing?
14:11<\3TATUK>dnstracer seems atheistically better than dig +trace
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14:11<\3TATUK>i guess just fyi
14:12<\3TATUK>the dns tracer output is almost identical to that php output
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14:12<Supaplex>that's up to you. apparently dig +trace only checks one of any random dns servers it's provided
14:12<Supaplex>I haven't used dnstracer
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14:13<\3TATUK>ah
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14:13<\3TATUK>it's actually a combo of dnstracer AND dig output
14:13<\3TATUK>well no it's really just dig output in dnstracer output format
14:13<\3TATUK>but that's enough hah
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14:15<bcochofel>Hi, can anybody tell me how can I check if I have that openSSL issue?
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14:17<Supaplex>bcochofel: did you upgrade?
14:18<bcochofel>Supaplex: I'm using etch
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14:18<Supaplex>etch covers months and months of releases
14:18<bcochofel>Supaplex: if I have the security updates will it do?
14:18<Supaplex>yes
14:18<Supaplex>!dsa1571
14:18<dpkg>Due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also now available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes>
14:18<bcochofel>Supaplex: ok
14:18<Supaplex>apt-get update apt-get upgrade
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14:19<bcochofel>!ssl update
14:19<dpkg>DSA1571 and DSA1576 are addressed in packages for openssl (0.9.8c-4etch3), libssl (0.9.8c-4etch3), openssh-server (1:4.3p2-9etch1), openssh-client (1:4.3p2-9etch1), openssh-blacklist (0.1.1). To install them, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade" (dist-upgrade required because new packages are being installed). Ask me about <ssh-vulnkey> <dsa1571><dsa1576>. Also ask me about <fail2ban> to make script kiddies go away.
14:20<bcochofel>!ssh-vulnkey
14:20<dpkg>from memory, ssh-vulnkey is a tool to identify known weak ssh keys (ask me about <dsa1571><dsa1576>). It is found in the openssh-client package version 4.3p2-9etch1 or later; you will need to "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade" to also install the new openssh-blacklist package. See http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys for usage.
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14:21<bcochofel>Supaplex: do I need dist-upgrade? if I do that with etch-backports on my sources.list will I get some issues?
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14:22<fxiny>you can use dowkd.pl.gz before upgrading for a check
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14:23<bcochofel>fxiny: thx, I'll check that
14:23<Supaplex>printing this pdf is pissing me off. use the TABLOID paper you pile of crap!
14:24<fxiny>bcochofel: http://security.debian.org/project/extra/dowkd/
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14:25<danyocean>hi
14:25<bcochofel>fxiny: but still, will I need a dist-upgrade?
14:25<fxiny>of course
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14:25<bcochofel>fxiny: then upgrade only will not do
14:25<Supaplex>trust the bot over me
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14:26<bcochofel>Supaplex: ok
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14:26<fxiny>bcochofel: you'd better swallow everything apt-get upgrade will show you ;)
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14:27<kurumin>SDS
14:27<kurumin>SDS
14:27<kurumin>SDSAASDASD
14:28<kurumin>TEM ALGUEM
14:28<julioh>cromenlo
14:28<Supaplex>Need to get 353GB of archives. After unpacking 1098GB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]
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14:28<Supaplex>kurumin: that's a lousy debian question. EAGAIN
14:28<Hideo>Supaplex: hit "Y"
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14:28<curious101>hi, i can't seem to find this info yet. How many years does a Debian system support updates?
14:28<fxiny>353G ? 1098G ? wt4x !
14:28<sepski>curious101, normaly 1 year after a new version is released
14:29<Supaplex>fxiny: it's a spoof :)
14:29<curious101>sepski, does that mean that after 1 year, the previous version will cease to auto update?
14:29<fxiny>Supaplex: hahahah : super BOFH ;)
14:29<sepski>curious101, it will cease to get security updates.
14:30<curious101>ah, only security updates?
14:30<curious101>what about the repositories?
14:30<sepski>curious101, well when its released it wont get any other kind of updates then security updates
14:30<curious101>i see.
14:31<curious101>i'm trying to verify a post from our forum. can you validate if this is true? :
14:31<sepski>curious101, when a debian version is released it's STABLE. (with capital letters and a period)
14:31<curious101>On the update support, you say CentOS 7yrs Ubuntu - 5yrs... Debian - until the distro dies (as one version number is finished with it will auto move you up to the next version, as with the bump up the repositories are re-shifted & so support for an installation is infinate.
14:32<fxiny>yahhh stable : no cowboy releases , like twb said
14:32<fxiny>stable means we can have as many beer we want :P
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14:33<curious101>can you validate it, sepski?
14:33<sepski>curious101, it depends on how you configure your sources.list. but it you choose to track stable. you get security upgrades until the new version hits and you upgrade everything to the new stable
14:33<sepski>then you get security upgrades until next version again
14:33<curious101>ah, I see. thanks
14:33<sepski>but it depends now you configure it.
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14:33<Supaplex>there's a year of overlap
14:33<sepski>you can also track testing and get small updates every day
14:33<curious101>of course, auto updates are not good for critical services.
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14:34<sepski>curious101, but you can (and should if its critical) trac the name of the release
14:34<curious101>i see.
14:34<fxiny>Supaplex: overlap ? did i tell you i invented the "being one loop ahead" ? or behind ? ;)
14:34<sepski>so if you track etch now you wont autoupgrade to lenny when it's released
14:34<curious101>what about in the case of upgrading from sarge to etch?
14:34<sepski>but you have 1 year overlap where you can find the time in your schedule to upgrade from etch to lenny
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14:35<sepski>curious101, same 1 year overlap where you can upgrade from sarge to etch.
14:35<sepski>ie sarge get upgrades 1 year after etch is released
14:35<fxiny>my box is a sarge2etch
14:35<Supaplex>curious101: it'll work. all releases are designed to upgrade to the next release. review the release notes for any special gotchas
14:35<curious101>ah, that's why i saw the news about security updates on sarge ceasing on march, 2008
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14:35<sepski>since that was 1 year after etch yes
14:36<curious101>ok.
14:36<Supaplex>the box I'm on was running potato way back when :)
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14:36<curious101>sepski, but how does that differ from other distos like, say CentOS or Ubuntu LTS?
14:36<Supaplex>with natural interm hardware upgrades, of course.
14:36*Supaplex pats the new shiney external 750gb hdd
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14:37<fxiny> potato ? still the original TutanKernel around ?
14:37<Supaplex>curious101: i've never had a straight answer on how to seamlessly upgrade an rpm based distro.
14:37<Supaplex>!potato
14:37<dpkg>[potato] Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground, or you can still get an older release of this at http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/
14:37<sepski>curious101, have you ever tried upgrading from one version RH to another ?
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14:38<fxiny>i failed with redatta 7.0
14:38<curious101>sepski, not yet.
14:38<susanne-->So my USB subsystem is failing to initialize. It isn't a particular device -- it's both the high-speed and low-speed chipsets. dmesg at http://www.pastebin.ca/1027066. Google points to nothing in particular that make any sense to me. This is stock Lenny. Where do I go from here?
14:39<sepski>ubuntu should in theory be able to do those kinds of upgrades becouse it's roots are in debian. but experience have shown that depending on how agressive you are on uncommenting sources your upgrades may be painful. ofcourse when you enable unsupported sources you can't expect the world. with a stock ubuntu i think you are mostly fine. but i have no experience only internet posts to judge from
14:39<fxiny>upgrading fronm sarge to etch was not so easy
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14:40<sepski>curious101, well when you try that youll learn the difference :) but my rule of thumb (from back when i still had rpm based machines) was that i could upgrade 6 debian machines in the time it took me to do 1 RH
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14:40<sepski>on the rh i often ended up reinstalling anyway :)
14:40<curious101>sepski, yes, let's take a stock installation as an example.
14:40<Supaplex>fxiny: after I checked the install guide, it was easy for me.
14:40<curious101>and the number of years of support.
14:40<sepski>but how useful is a stock ubuntu :)
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14:41*Supaplex wonders off to score some deals at the local shops
14:41<curious101>let's just compare how long a support for each distro is.
14:41<fxiny>Supaplex: i did it my way : bruteforcing nearly all fonts ;)
14:41<sepski>curious101, it's debian sid + some added cruft that i don't realy need. why would i remove myself from the source of the goodness ?
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14:42<fxiny>in fact this box fonts look much better then my spare one
14:43<sepski>curious101, you must keep in mind that debian is 16 -17 000 packages. the packages that ubuntu provides long term support for is 3-4 000 ? or something ? just a fragment of debian.
14:43<sepski>package nubers are huge aproximations since dont have them in my head
14:44<sepski>i dont know what centos supports but afaik it's a source rebuild of rhes so it's for those was must run rhes for some reason but wont pay the $
14:44<Supaplex>woah. staples is making an offer to aquire corporate express? cool
14:44<curious101>i understand. ubuntu has 5 years support, centos has 7, debian has ?
14:45<Supaplex>curious101: one
14:45<curious101>I see. one. thanks
14:45<tweber>curious101, Ubuntu has 5 years only on selected packages
14:45<sepski>curious101, the time it takes to make the next version + 1 year
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14:46<curious101>no worries, i was just after their advertised support (in years).
14:46<Supaplex>and stable is always supported, all the time. (only 1year on old-stable after it propigates)
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14:47<fxiny>too long 5 and 7 , i smell some kind of rat , hard to belive
14:47<curious101>so this could be a wrong statement with regard to support, Debian - until the distro dies ?
14:47<Supaplex>fxiny: let's keep supporting potato. NOT. :P hahaha.
14:48<sepski>curious101, stable is supported until the distro and project is dead that is true
14:48<fxiny>Supaplex: hahahah :)))
14:48<sepski>but what is in stable changes when a version is released
14:48<curious101>ah, I see.
14:48<sepski>but etch will cease support 1 year after lenny is released since then lenny is stable :)
14:48<curious101>lenny will be released next year?
14:48<Supaplex>real soon now
14:49<sepski>lenny will be released when it's ready
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14:50<fxiny>this year WIR is around September according to the local sin eater :P
14:50<sepski>curious101, keep in mind debian is not made by a company it's not playing by the same rules as anything else
14:50<curious101>i see.
14:51<sepski>curious101, so it's nothing that prevents you from funding $somepeople to provide support for some debian version for as long as you need it to
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14:53<fxiny>Supaplex: so : you've done potato-woody . woody-woody , woody-sarge and sarge-etch same box ?
14:55<fxiny>one of this days i'll install potato . i have cd aorund
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15:02<Supaplex>fxiny: when I get a new machine, I usually pop the drives from the old one into the new one. sometimes I just buy a motherboard. lately I've worked out some deals so crafy and slick, it's hard to pass up a retail desktop system. if I get my price guarantee to work today, my system I bought last week will be $50 or so out the door for a compaq sr5410f. $299 - $100 compititor coupon, - $150 staples rewards = dirt cheap
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15:02<Supaplex>bbl :)
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15:06<susanne-->So my USB subsystem is failing to initialize. It isn't a particular device -- it's both the high-speed and low-speed chipsets. dmesg at http://www.pastebin.ca/1027066. Google points to nothing in particular that make any sense to me. This is stock Lenny. Where do I go from here? (Or would attempting an install with another distribution point me in the right direction?)
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15:16<sepski>susanne--, have you tried whats in the error messages ? check your bios setup. if nothing in your bios settings help. i would check if there is a bios firmware upgrade available. and if that fail as well you could try a newer kernel
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15:17<huhlig>anyone know why the sdpd has been removed from bluez-utils
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15:21<susanne-->sepski: nothing useful in the bios error messages, which you'll find in the dmesg on line 221. i'm already using 2.6.24-1-686. and i never learned how to do a custom compile of kernel source on debian, and make initrd work.
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15:22<sepski>susanne--, have you looked in your bios setup and twiddles the bits some
15:23<gsimmons>huhlig: It's deprecated in upstream.
15:23<susanne-->yup. the only twiddling to do is the detector for pnp os, or i can completely disable the usb controller, which sorta defeats the purpose. if this is an irq conflict, i'm thinking, should i yank the secondary video controller maybe?
15:23<huhlig>gsimmons, ahh ok
15:23<huhlig>futz
15:23<huhlig>cant get this bluetooth device working
15:23<huhlig>I was hoping that was the problem
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15:25<Flakk> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
15:25<gsimmons>huhlig: It's replaced by the -s option to hcid, AFAICT.
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15:31<SaintK>Hi, i have a mobo with a JMicron JMB363 AHCI/RAID SATA chipset (a pretty common one), the issue that i experiance is that the Debian Etch setup cannot detect my HDD, as it doesn't seem to have any drivers on board for this. I have been googeling but i haven't really found an awnser on this problem. For windows i know i can slipstream such drivers, but i am not sure what approche to take with Debian
15:31<SaintK>Any suggestions on were i should be looking ?
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15:37<susanne-->saintk which kernel are you using to install?
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15:38<SaintK>susanne-- I am not quite sure, it's a recently downloaded Debian Etch netinstall ISO, tried both i386 and AMD64
15:38<susanne-->saintk: reboot with the install iso, and instead of doing "install" or enter at the boot prompt, use "install26"
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15:39<SaintK>sounds simple enough :) Going to have a go at it, if it fails you'll see me back on windows again asking questions, thanks for the quick help susanne-- !
15:39<susanne-->or if you want the expert install, "expert26"
15:39<SaintK>i mostly start it with Linux text, as i was as little installed as possible
15:40<SaintK>which option of the 2 you advice then to use ?
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15:40<susanne-->i prefer expert26. gives slightly more control over things like time zones and keyboard layouts, but it doesn't really matter. i assume you have partition space?
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15:41<SaintK>Yes, partitions and all are good. Thanks, going to have a try at it :)
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15:46<zeev>Hi, I have created manually a new entry in menu.lst of grub - how do I apply this new changes to grub?
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15:46<zeev>with lilo I just had to run lilo - and how does it work now?
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15:47<zeev>is it update-grub?
15:47<petterson>hello
15:47<fxiny>zeev: no
15:47<zeev>but?
15:47<fxiny>zeev: that's ok
15:48<fxiny>nothing else
15:48<zeev>I just have to reboot?
15:48<zeev>and it works?
15:48<fxiny>only if you want
15:48<susanne-->zeev: grub doesn't require post-change setup like lilo.
15:48<petterson>does anybody know where can I find a driver for wireless card tl-wn651g (tp-link) for debian etch/amd64?
15:48<zeev>nice...
15:48<zeev>thank you
15:49<zeev>I'll check it out...
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15:51<gsimmons>!tell petterson -about madwifi
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15:51<petterson>thank you gsimmons
15:51<SaintK>Hi susanne--, unfortunatly it did not work. When i used 'install26' it gives an error that the kernel could not be found. 'install 26' did seem to work thought, i saw it loading up an 2.6 kernel, but unfortunatly it is still not detecting the SATA chipset, and thus it doesn't see my HDD
15:52<SaintK>Do you happen to have any more suggestions?
15:52<fxiny>new hardware ? check kmuto
15:52<fxiny>!kmuto
15:52<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
15:52<susanne-->saintk, install26 may be the wrong switch. use the function keys (f3? f4) to find exactly what they are
15:53<Gathond>SaintK: does you bios have the ability to emulate IDE drives instead of using AHCI? then that might allow you to complete the installer
15:53<SaintK>susanne-- , i think install 26 was the correct one, as i saw it loading a 2.6 kernel :)
15:53<Gathond>SaintK: using the generic.ide option (look somewhere like F3/F4 in the kernel boot menu) might also help
15:53<SaintK>Gathond: Yes, my BIOS is configured as IDE. I have tried AHCI aswell, but that doesn't function either
15:54<susanne-->no, with a space is never correct.
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15:54<SaintK>I also tried the generic.ide drivers
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15:54<SaintK>susanne-- oh, well, in that case, let me look again :)
15:55<Gathond>SaintK: my last intel board reguired something in the line of "linux irq-poll noapic nolapic generic.ide=1 (the last argument was longer though, the help should have that)
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15:55<SaintK>Gathond ok cheers, let me reboot and see if i can figure it out :)
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16:01<masterpop>System-->Admin-->Harware Drivers shows NVIDIA drivers "selected" and "In Use", BUT Screen and Graphics Preference shows VESA driver in use.. can someone help figure out my nvidia problems pls
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16:07<zaikxtox>hello. i have a little but nasty problem. my notebook manufacturer has released a bios update. the bios comes on a .exe wich i have decompressed with cabextract. it has an utility called winphlash and some files. How can i update BIOS from linux (or at least not having windows)
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16:08<SaintK>Hi, there is no such thing as install26 in the help files on the CD. I have checked what kernel it is loading, and its 2.6.18-5AMD64, so it appears that it just doesn't use a other kernel then 2.6. I also browsed trough all the boot options in the menu's help (F1/F3/F4), but could not find specific parameters for my chip. I have tried forcing the generic IDE thingy, but that also doesn't work
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16:10<Gathond>SaintK: did you also include the 3 other arguments?
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16:10<Gathond>that made the trick on my P35 chipset
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16:10<petterson>hi, I've just asked how setup a wireless card
16:11<Gathond>although I ended up using a lenny snapshot, but I think that was the same 2.6.18 kernel
16:11<petterson>and gsimmons told me to use madwifi
16:11<petterson>I followed the instructions
16:11<petterson>but my card appears as unknown
16:11<petterson>I cannot configure it
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16:12<gsimmons>petterson: You've loaded the ath_pci module? Do you have an ath0 interface available to you?
16:13<SaintK>Gathond: I'm afraid not, i tried exactly what the help files told me. Could you please pass those arguments again?
16:13<petterson>i did modprobe ath_pci
16:13<petterson>no message, then I looked at dmesg
16:13<petterson>and the output were similar (not equal) to the one at the link you passed me
16:13<petterson>how do I know if I have an ath0 interface available? I think I don't
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16:15<gsimmons>petterson: You can use either `ifconfig' or `iwconfig'.
16:15<Gathond>noapic nolapic irq-poll and that generic.ide thing
16:15<SaintK>gathond thanks, gonna try again
16:15<Gathond>I don't think the order is important
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16:16<SaintK>aight cool thanks, gonna give it a try again!
16:16<petterson>gsimmons: Yes I have an ath0 interface and one wifi0
16:16<petterson>gsimmons: using ifconfig
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16:20<gsimmons>petterson: Then your card is recognised. You can configure the device for use within your network using iwconfig (see /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian). Alternatively, use a wireless network manager application. Ask dpkg about 'wpa' if you require to connect to a WPA-protected network.
16:20<erKURITA>more like
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16:21<petterson>gsimmons: sorry about my dumbness, how do I ask dpkg?
16:21<erKURITA>ask dpkg about wpa-supplicant
16:21<erKURITA>!tell petterson about wpa-supplicant
16:21<erKURITA>dpkg is a bot here
16:21<dpkg>erKURITA: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
16:21<gsimmons>erKURITA: Wrong factoid.
16:21<erKURITA>osh-
16:21<gsimmons>!tell petterson -about wpa
16:21<erKURITA>ah damn it
16:21<erKURITA>thanks
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16:22<petterson>gsimmons: one last thing, I don't have an iwconfig
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16:23<gsimmons>petterson: Install the 'wireless-tools' package to provide this utility..
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16:23<petterson>gsimmons: thanks
16:23<petterson>gsimmons: have a nice day
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16:52<Vearis>hello people I am upgrading from etch to lenny and face some p[roblems is anybody willin g to help? the first problem is the following: the upgrade progeram says that the gdm must be stopped before the upgrade. so what should I do? I am with gnome now.
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16:54<the-me>Vearis, stop your gnome and continue from your terminal :
16:54<xelnaga_>drop to a terminal with ctrl+alt+f2, then log in as a root user. And do a "/etc/init.d/gdm stop"
16:54<the-me>s/$/)/
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16:54<Vearis>ok trying
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16:56<Vearis>OK i stoppde it now i am at the login prompt should I login again as root?
16:56<qq>no
16:56<xelnaga_>Vearis, yeah
16:56<xelnaga_>no?
16:56<qq>no needed
16:57<qq>Vearis: do
16:57<qq>exit
16:57<Vearis>done - so what do I do now? i am root, but the upgrade seems to have stopped
16:57<Vearis>so I say aptitude dist-upgrade?
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16:59<Vearis>xelnaga_ : i would better continue with your advice since I have started already with you
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17:00<xelnaga_>well, i would do an "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade" as a root user. Am i correct on this qq?
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17:01<qq>yes
17:01<xelnaga_>gdgd
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17:02<Vearis>it says dpkg was interrupted you must manually run dpkg --configure -a to correct the problem
17:02<amphi>...
17:03<Vearis>trhis command however gives errors
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17:03<Vearis>oh
17:04<Vearis>ok... done
17:04<xelnaga_>gdgd
17:07<Vearis>well he asked again to stop gdm ... then it gives a list of services to restart including cupsys cron atd. i say OK i guess?
17:08<xelnaga_>Vearis, i have never seen this myself
17:08<xelnaga_>qq?
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17:09<qq>do ok
17:09<qq>for all
17:09<Vearis>well maybe the lesson is that I should have started from the terminal, in an y case it has finished now (i saud Ok all the times sure :)) I restart all now
17:09<xelnaga_>that was quick :|
17:10<Vearis>maybe too quickj
17:10<xelnaga_>im guessing this is not a heavily used desktop
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17:10<Vearis>i have jsut installed etch in order to upgrade this is a new machine
17:11<Vearis>well it seems to me nothing has changed, and I am at etch ))))
17:12<Vearis>how could I check the version?
17:12<azeem>Vearis: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
17:12<amphi>Vearis: cat /etc/debian_version
17:12<Vearis>4.0
17:12<Vearis>)))
17:12<Vearis>this is etch i guess
17:13<xelnaga_>indeed it is
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17:13<amphi>Vearis: you changed sources.list and did aptitude update before dist-upgrade ?
17:13<Vearis>yes i did
17:13<xelnaga_>could you print your sources
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17:14<Vearis>they are all with "lenny" there is no prob
17:14<Vearis>I can try once again this time sarting from the terminal
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17:16<Vearis>proceeding
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17:17<Vearis>well he finishes very quickly saying: errors were encountered while p[rocessing - and a long list
17:18<Vearis>with a lot of "lib" helas
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17:22<Vearis>OK i guess will better stay with etch, thanks for the help!
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17:39<VTommy>hello guys, what is max memory with debian?
17:40<abrotman>depends on your kernel
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17:44<VTommy>i have version 4
17:44<VTommy>i think it's x86 that i'm running
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17:44<alexd>yo
17:44<Hydroxide>hi alexd
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17:45<Hydroxide>hrm, he needs to wait longer :)
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17:55<chealer>VTommy: which Linux image do you use?
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18:05<VTommy>not sure chealer
18:05<VTommy>how can i tell?
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18:16<VTommy>how can i upgrade my kernel to get 6 GB of ram, that is what my server has right now but only detecting 4GB well 3.78GB
18:17<azeem>VTommy: what does "uname -r" say?
18:18<VTommy>2.6.18-6-686
18:18<azeem>what kind of cpu is this?
18:18<VTommy>2.8 GHz XEON
18:18<VTommy>2 times
18:19<VTommy>so Dual 2.8 Ghz XEON
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18:19<azeem>is that 64bit?
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18:19<azeem>VTommy: anyway, try the linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem kernel, rather, maybe
18:19<variable>hi
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18:20<kop>azeem : Would the etchnhalf kernel come with better support for >4G?
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18:21<azeem>I don't know
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18:23<variable>so what's up?
18:23<azeem>variable: do you have a Debian question?
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18:23<variable>yes
18:24<variable>about samba
18:24<VTommy>azeem how do i about doing that lol i've never done this before?
18:24<azeem>VTommy: why do you run a server if you don't know how to run it?
18:24<kop>!ask
18:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
18:25<variable>!samba
18:25<dpkg>rumour has it, samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html), or #samba on irc.freenode.net, or <samba etch5>
18:25<VTommy>azeem: i'm starting man give me a chance i'm leaning every day here
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18:26<kop>VTommy : You might want to "cat /proc/cpuinfo" and find out more about your cpu. If you've a 64bit machine you might consider using 64bit kernel (the amd64 architecture)
18:26<kop>VTommy : (And 64 bit binaries along with it)
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18:27<azeem>VTommy: /msg dpkg grounding
18:27<VTommy>ty azeem
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18:28<variable>can i set a directory to where i want to install package with dpkg?
18:28<witte>variable: if you are not going to tell your question, nobody is going to help you...
18:28<witte>variable: ah, your question :P
18:28<VTommy>azeem: all i needed is a guide in the right direction
18:28<variable>I made !samba
18:28<kop>variable : I don't know. That sounds like a bad idea. Why would you do that?
18:28<azeem>variable: install the above mentioned package, reboot, choose the other kernel
18:28<witte>variable: yes, but that is not a question
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18:28<VTommy>kop: how can i tell if it's 64 bit? in the cpuinfo?
18:29<kop>VTommy : If nothing else cpuinfo will tell you exactly what the cpu name is, then wikipedia to the rescue.
18:29<witte>variable: why would you want dpkg to install a package somewhere else, and how is that related to samba
18:30<variable>witte: it gives me a link but there are a lot of readings :]
18:33<variable>I know that a samba is a tool which helps to see others user shered files on network and also to download them
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18:33<witte>variable: not really, it is just the linux implementation of the windows networking protocol
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18:33<narutokun>how to install gdbm using apt
18:34<witte>narutokun: aptitude install gdm
18:34<azeem>narutokun: apt-cache search gdbm, apt-get install <foo>
18:34<azeem>witte: gd*b*m
18:34<witte>oops, you are right azeem
18:35<kop>narutokun : Mostly, you'd expect aptitude to install it for you, because unless you're writing programs you only need gdbm because some other program wants to use it.
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18:36<narutokun>ok
18:38<VTommy>kop: ok cpu is not 64-bit that i can find
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18:42<amphi>VTommy: does it contain 'lm' in the cpu flags?
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18:45<VTommy>ampli: nope don't see it
18:45<VTommy>fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid xtpr
18:45<amphi>then it's not 64 bit
18:46<amphi>at least, that's the intel flag for x86-64
18:46<VTommy>k
18:46<amphi>'long mode', apparently
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18:46<kop>amphi : Good factoid.
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18:48<VTommy>so anything can be done to have 6 GB of ram in that server?
18:48<narutokun>I want to shift from etch to testing <---- how do I proceed ?
18:48<gsimmons>!tell narutokun -about etch->lenny
18:49<amphi>VTommy: pae ?
18:49<witte>VTommy: if you install a bigmem kernel, that should be just fine
18:51<narutokun>should I add a apt.conf file for the preference?
18:53<narutokun>as at present it doesn't exist in the /etc/apt/ directory
18:55<narutokun>kindly tell me the line to be added in apt.conf, I read the man page but I am not able to understand :(
18:57<witte>you don't need that...
18:58<narutokun>ok
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19:19<debacle>Hi, can i use tcpdump to inspect command sent from my ftp client to an ftp server ftp-control port (TCP/21) ?
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19:21<debacle>i'm trying to debug an ftp server (proftpd) and i'd like to know wich command te ftp client is sending to te server. HOw can i do this ?
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19:59<aloha-shin>hi everyone
20:00<aloha-shin>what exactly SSH Public-Key Authentication do ?
20:00<dendrite>aloha-shin: I'm sure a web search would find you a good explanation.
20:00<alphad>hi
20:00<aloha-shin>hi den and alhad
20:01<azeem>aloha-shin: read the documentation, please
20:01<aloha-shin>if u can't answer its okay.
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20:17<arabian>HI
20:18<arabian>KAKA
20:19<azeem>arabian: do you have a Debian question?
20:21<arabian>AZEEM: NO THANK YOU
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20:28<rav>hello. i just installed lenny on a laptop with an atheros wifi card. i installed ndiswrapper and wpa_supplicant and got the card to work. but i'm getting something weird results. on my other laptop, the connection succesful message appears only once, but on the new one it keeps appearing like once per second, and I can't send dhcp requests
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20:28<amphi>rav: madwifi does not support the card?
20:28<witte>rav: you don't need ndiswrapper
20:29<rav>this laptop is amd64, and madwifi only works with 32bit
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20:31<witte>rav: didn't know taht
20:34<rav>also, i was trying to install the nvidia kernel package, but it seems the nvidia-kernel-source package is not on the repositories
20:34<witte>rav: which debian version are you using?
20:35<witte>rav: and did you enable contrib and non-free?
20:36<rav>witte: i'm using lenny, with the 2.6.24-1 kernel. I have contrib and non-free in sources.list
20:37<witte>rav: it is not in lenny: http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html
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20:38<witte>rav: it should get there in 10 days, there have been quite some problems with that package iirc
20:39<rav>ah, i see. thanks for the info
20:39<witte>rav: you could attempt a simple sid backport
20:39<witte>!simple sid backport
20:39<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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20:40<witte>but that package has entered unstable today, and there were some bugs against it (i did not install it yet on my amd64 because apt-listbugs said there were problems...)
20:41<rav>i will wait for the nvidia then
20:43<rav>any idea about wpa_supplicant?
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20:43<witte>rav: nope
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20:51<prahal>hi how comes resolvconf does not add the nameservers of the other interfaces (say eth1 updated via networkmanager via a local modification of NM I am testing) if bind is running (with lo.named being the interface name for bind in resolvconf)
20:51<aloha-shin>hi all. how do change the name in session
20:52<witte>aloha-shin: which name, which session?
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20:54<aloha-shin>my host installed it something like debia:~# on the left putty
20:54<aloha-shin> my host installed it something like debian:~# on the left putty
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20:55<witte>!hostname
20:55<dpkg>use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
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20:55<aloha-shin>I'll try
20:55<aloha-shin>nothing happen
20:55<aloha-shin>hostname aloha
20:56<chealer>witte: it's very unlikely that nvidia-graphics drivers will be in testing in 10 days
20:56<witte>aloha-shin: probably you just want to do: nano /etc/hostname
20:56<aloha-shin>ok
20:57<aloha-shin>I saw it
20:57<witte>chealer: well, it is at least 10 days, don't know the exact scheduling?
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20:58<aloha-shin>thanks witte its working nice
20:58<witte>chealer: is there a special reason why nvidia is not in lenny, or is it just because it is not bugfree enough
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20:59<chealer>witte: yes, rather at least 10 days. there's no schedule
21:00<chealer>witte: no special reason. lack of maintenance/bug triaging
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21:00<witte>chealer: i noticed that it is not in lenny for quite a while, and today again tehre were grave/serious bugs, it could have been something which would not end up in lenny, ever
21:01<prahal>how could I find out what nameserver is used by my station (as it has a local bind but I am trying to find out if the forwarders are taken from /etc/bind/named.conf.options or /var/run/bind/named.conf.options :-/ )
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21:11<qq>if gost IP is in same net as forwarders in /var/run/bind/named.options
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21:12<qq>than that is taken from /var/run/bind/named.options
21:12<qq>prahal:
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21:15<prahal>qq, I was trying to find out if /var/run/bind/named.options was used at all (because it contains the namerservers updated by resolvconf updated by networkmanager) I had others "defaults" in /etc/bind/named.conf.options ... I don'tthink I quite understood your statement though I ll try what I understood
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21:20<qq>IP of station is in the same network as forwarders {... }; from /var/run/bind/named.options
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21:20<prahal>yes
21:21<qq>so that forwarders {... }; is used
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21:23<phillipsjk> /msg dpkg dsa1571
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21:23<phillipsjk>sorry.
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21:29<prahal>ok now it is used ... one had to change the include in /etc/bind/named.conf ... I wonder why it is not done by default when resolvconf is installed ...
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21:30<prahal>though now everything is in order :-) hurra
21:30<qq>ok
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21:34<qq>prahal: that was thought as default for use only in lan network (means bind), resolv.conf is used for giving a dhcp IP adress
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21:37<phillipsjk>Am I correct in assuming that the debian praject will have to publish a new keyring because of dsa1571? (I assume most devs would be using debian to generate their keys)
21:38<phillipsjk>s/praject/project
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21:38<qq>no worry
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21:42<prahal>qq, yes though I am afraid that does not play well with configuring forwarders via ifup or networkmanager as will be more and more common practice (I use nm 0.7 which includes a server support)
21:42<dendrite>phillipsjk: Might want to ask that on the oftc.net #debian channel...
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21:43<qq>prahal: fil a bug repport than
21:44<phillipsjk>dendrite, this IS the oftc.net #debian channel.
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21:44<dendrite>Oh. I get 'em confused... What's the other one...
21:44<phillipsjk>freenode?
21:45<dendrite>Yeah, freenode. Sorry.
21:45<dendrite>Darn irssi split windows... =)
21:45<dondelelcaro>phillipsjk: uh... that only aplies to ssl, not gpg.
21:45<qq>phillipsjk: is just done
21:46<dendrite>dondelelcaro: I just wasn't sure, and it seemed like a good question.
21:46<dondelelcaro>phillipsjk: and yes, we did require all new keys and regenerate all of the host keys on Debian project servers
21:46<phillipsjk>ok, thanks dondelelcaro.
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21:48<phillipsjk>I decided it was time to regenerate my keys, even though I only use them on the LAN so far.
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21:49<qq>i don't think it is needed
21:50*qq listenning Black Sabbath - Paranoid
21:50<qq>[vlc]
21:50<dondelelcaro>qq: please turn whatever that is off
21:51<dendrite>phillipsjk: Yeah, we also replaced keys, even those which only play on lan/vpn.
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21:51<dondelelcaro>the point is that those keys are not useful at all, not where they've been used.
21:51<qq>dondelelcaro: hehe
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21:54<ambroski>hey guys my youtube sound isnt workin help me out
21:54*qq listenning Jimi Hendrix - Lover Man
21:55<dondelelcaro>qq: please turn your auto-anouncer off, or I'll have to disable it for you.
21:56<phillipsjk>hehe
21:57<qq>dondelelcaro: nice politic that
21:57<ambroski>hey guys
21:57<ambroski>my youtube sound not working
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22:00<phillipsjk>ambroski are you sure it is only Youtube? I may be something stupid: like muting or disconnected speakers.
22:01<phillipsjk>*It
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22:04<ambroski>my sound works when i use rhythmbox music player
22:05<ambroski>when i go to youtube sound doesnt working
22:05<ambroski>it worked before but i donno why its not workin
22:05<qq>ambroski: which youtube exacly ?
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22:06<ambroski>like i wanna watch videos on youtube
22:06<qq> exactly*
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22:06<qq>the url (http:// ...)
22:07<ambroski>yea
22:07<qq> which
22:07<ambroski>for example
22:07<ambroski>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKEcz_OTTBk&feature=related
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22:07<ambroski>cant hear any music
22:07<qq>ok . test
22:08<ambroski>ok
22:08<qq>that one has no sound
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22:09<ambroski>how bout http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9qrEqQZiYw
22:09<ambroski>i mean i checked all videos none of am hs no sound
22:09<qq>that one has sound
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22:10<Zorr0><Zorr0> hola. acabo de instalar debian. y no me reconoce mi targeta de wireless.
22:10<Zorr0><Zorr0> al entrar iwconfig
22:10<Zorr0><Zorr0> sale como que no ubiera ninguna
22:10<Zorr0><Zorr0> a que se debe?
22:10<Zorr0><Zorr0> como lo arreglo?
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22:11<ambroski>yea man i went to other video sites still has no sound
22:12<qq>ambroski: are you using 64 bit like amd64 ?
22:13<ambroski>man im begginer i just start using linux like month now
22:13<ambroski>so i have no idea
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22:13<ambroski>but like yesterday there was sound now i dond got any sound
22:13<qq>hwo installed your debian
22:14<qq>?
22:14<ambroski>my friend
22:14<qq>who*
22:14<ambroski>he isnt here so i dont got nobody to ask
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22:14<ambroski>and i need to check some videos today
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22:16<dendrite>ambroski: Did you change anything on your system?
22:16<ambroski>hmm no
22:17<dendrite>ambroski: Try alsamixer, make sure your sound levels aren't just muted.
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22:17<dendrite>ambroski: How did you last shut down your machine?
22:17<phillipsjk>is rhythmbox still running? (with no sound dameon programs don't lke to share the hardware) (I believe gnome uses a sound dameon)
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22:17<dataangel>i am using xcfe and miss the transparent windows i had available when i was using (yuck) ubuntu, if i change my sources from stable to testing, will i get the ability to use the transparent windows normally available in xcfe? (its not included with the stable debain build of xcfe?
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22:18<ambroski>oh yea i had to force to shut down
22:18<Nemoder>dataangel: did you enable composite in your xorg extensions?
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22:18<dataangel>intresting angle on it nemoder, do you use xcfe presently????
22:18<dendrite>ambroski: OK, that may mean your mixer settings weren't saved, so check w/ alsaconf.
22:19<dendrite>ambroski: And, what caused the "forced" shutdown?
22:19<Nemoder>dataangel: yes I do, I'm on lenny right now but I was pretty sure etch had tha ability too, either way you need it enabled in your xorg.conf
22:19<abrotman>probably depends on your card and driver
22:19<dataangel>heh, i need to blacklist my on-board soundcard as my rather-brillaint (sarcasm) compaq getto box does not allow me to turn off the onboard sound card
22:20<dataangel>nemoder: lenny???, which build is that?, i am not yet familar with all the nicknames for the different sources?
22:20<Nemoder>lenny=testing
22:21<dataangel>ah intresting....i have a look hang on
22:21<dataangel>i think i pull the xorg.conf from xubutnu for comparsion
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22:22<qq>dataangel: why not *all* xubutnu ?
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22:23<Nemoder>dataangel: you just need Option "Composite" "Enable" in your Extensions section (assuming your video drivers support it)
22:23*phillipsjk has to check that on his own compaq
22:24<dataangel>qq: ????????
22:24<dataangel>i am on it Nemoder
22:25<dataangel>i am going to attempt to do this after backing up my xorg.conf file with a text editor vs the setup wizard
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22:27<dataangel>amusing, there is very little in xubuntu xorg.conf file and not extentsions listed whatsoever, i am going to check that again.
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22:27<ambroski>because i left my computer on with out charging it
22:27<ambroski>and when i come home my computer was shut down coz it didint have no battery
22:27<ambroski>and when i turned on it was acting wierd
22:28<eljefe>My KDM login screen has changed from English to... I am not sure what. Why would this have happened?
22:29<dendrite>ambroski: Ah, Gotcha. Any luck w/ alsamixer?
22:30<ambroski>what is dat? i mean where can i look for it
22:30<dendrite>ambroski: Run it from a terminal shell window.
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22:31<ambroski>ok and then waht
22:31<ambroski>they show me this bar
22:31<dendrite>ambroski: Look for muted channels that shouldn't be muted.
22:31<ambroski>it all sayin 00
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22:32<ambroski>i cant tell which one is muted
22:32<dendrite>ambroski: arrow over to your PCM, and up-arrow to give it some volume.
22:32<dendrite>muted ones have MM in the little status box.
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22:32<dendrite>ambroski: Hit 'm' in master or pcm to see it. (hit 'm' again to toggle it off again)
22:33<ambroski>hold on
22:33<dendrite>ambroski: Those are normally saved on shutdown, but of course yanking the rug out from under the system means there was no chance to.
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22:34<dendrite>ambroski: Those settings are normally saved, I meant to say.
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22:35<qq>dendrite: alsaconf ?
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22:35<ambroski>dendrite u know when u listen to your rhythmbox music player
22:35<dendrite>qq: I'm guessing alsaconf took, since ambroski said it did work before.
22:35<ambroski>the sound is working
22:35<dendrite>ambroski: Cool.
22:36<dendrite>ambroski: Don't forget to plug that sucker in, to keep it charged. =)
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22:36<ambroski>and when i try to go to youtube sound dont work
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22:37<dendrite>ambroski: Not all sound systems can share. Try exiting any running sound programs before you start another.
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22:41<qq>(vlc is sharing ... )
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22:51<twb>I have a site that is disconnected from the internet (for security reasons). I want to set up a partial Debian mirror (one arch, one release) there, to simplify installing and upgrading packages. Thus, I will need to physically ship a hard disk or USB key containing the weekly/monthly deltas to the mirror. What tools exist to facilitate this?
22:52<abrotman>apt-zip ? apt-cdrom
22:52<abrotman>!repository
22:52<dpkg>debian repository is, like, a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html Ask me about <list repositories>.
22:52<abrotman>twb: or get the ISOs
22:52<twb>abrotman: AFAICT apt-zip is only useful for installing packages, not for maintaining a full mirror.
22:52<twb>abrotman: the security archive creates ISOs?
22:52<abrotman>you said partial!
22:53<twb>abrotman: yes, partial as in I want i386, but not MIPS
22:53<abrotman>!info apt-move etch
22:53<dendrite>twb: All 18 gazillion packages?
22:53<abrotman>maybe ?
22:53<twb>dendrite: all 30000 or so, yes.
22:53<dpkg>apt-move: (Maintain Debian packages in a package pool), section admin, is optional. Version: 4.2.26-1 (etch), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 216 kB
22:54<twb>For a stable release plus security, the diffs are unlikely to be more than a couple of GiB per month, and the initial mirroring can be done before the server is shipped to the offline facility.
22:54<twb>abrotman: looking...
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22:55<twb>abrotman: that looks useful
22:56<twb>abrotman: what I expect to do is create a local mirror of etch/i386 (on a site that has internet), then work out which packages need have changed in the last month and put them on a USB key, ship that to the offline facility and have their staff add those packages to THEIR repository.
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22:59<Bartman007>twb: incremental rsync of an apt-mirror pool?
23:00<twb>Bartman007: yeah, something like that.
23:00<twb>Bartman007: but how do you do an rsync over sneakernet?
23:01<Bartman007>rsync to the removable medium, use your sneakers to transport it.
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23:01<twb>Bartman007: I don't want to ship the full mirror to and from the facility
23:01<phillipsjk>http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html
23:02<twb>Basically because then I'd have to use a HDD instead of a key, which is heavier
23:02<kop>twb: It seems to me that in order to send a diff you're going to have to keep a complete copy of whatever you're partially mirroring, and use that to do the diff. Rather than ship some sort of binary diff why don't you just ship the entire partial mirror and rsync at the remote end?
23:02<kop>twb: Just how much won't fit on a USB key these days?
23:03<twb>I'm assuming a mirror of etch/i386 is going to be around 10-20 GiB
23:03<twb>If it's only gonna be 4-8GiB, then I could just ship the whole thing on a USB key
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23:04<twb>I guess I can work out those numbers once I've built my local mirror at the online facility. So apt-mirror is definitely the right tool for that?
23:05<kop>twb: FYI, which is not much, I've a mirror of i386, amd64 and source, all releases and it clocks in at about 120GB.
23:05<twb>kop: ouch, that's even more than I thought
23:05<Bartman007>twb: have you looked at the --compare-dest option of rsync? that's what I was thinking of.
23:05<twb>Bartman007: no, looking...
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23:06<Bartman007>I think you'll find that does exactly what you need.
23:06<dendrite>twb: Well, you only need i386, and you may not need all historical releases.
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23:07<twb>dendrite: correct, I definitely only need stable/i386
23:07<twb>I almost certainly don't need sources either.
23:08<kop>I use anonftpsync, because that's what's recommended at the debian mirror instructions. However, it is not packaged, which means it's more difficult to keep up to date.
23:08<dendrite>twb: So your size estimate may not be far off.
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23:08<dendrite>kop: Ironic, that...
23:08<dataangel>wierd, my xorg.conf file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf on xubuntu does not list my graphics card, very odd and strange !!!
23:08<twb>Bleh, sucks how parts of infrastructure aren't packaged
23:08<dataangel>hmmm
23:08<twb>dataangel: Xorg 7.3 does not need an xorg.conf
23:08<dataangel>intresting
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23:09<twb>dataangel: Hardy will leave the graphics card out and rely entirely on autoconfiguration for that part
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23:09<kop>dendrite : If I had to do it over I'd probably choose something else (that rsyncs).
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23:09<twb>dataangel: you can find out which driver you need (for running 7.2) by looking at /var/log/Xorg.conf's (II) lines
23:09<dataangel>heh, i was hoping ot compare my debian xorg.conf to that one.
23:09<dendrite>kop: Yeah, I can see that.
23:09<kop>twb: There's also debmirror.
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23:10<kop>twb: The other choice would be something fancy with jigdo. It's able to chunk stuff and apply binary changes.
23:11<Bartman007>kop: I still think rsync's --compare-dest option is exactly what he wants
23:11<twb>kop: ooh.
23:11<kop>Bartman007 : Yup, but it's nice having it built-into an existing tool so you don't have to roll your own rsync.
23:12<twb>Bartman007: I don't really understand how that would be used.
23:14<Bartman007>twb: `rsync -a --compare-dest=bar/ foo/ baz/' will copy from foo to baz, unless the file is already in bar
23:15<twb>Oh!
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23:15<kop>twb: I'd say a careful application of rdiff-backup would let you do offline incremental mirroring.
23:15<kop>twb: The nice thing about it is that it's designed to work with binary formats.
23:15<Laeborg>i do i do so by clicking a shortcut, it open a linux terminal and ssh to my server?
23:15<Laeborg>what is the command?
23:15<kop>Laeborg :ssh servername
23:16<Laeborg>i am in the Konsole Bookmarks
23:16<Laeborg>and I have set the location to :ssh ip -l user
23:17<Laeborg>but it don't work
23:17<kop>Laeborg : You can try it at the command line and see what the error is and tell us.
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23:17<Laeborg>03:12… Laeborg: 85.80.190.199
23:17<Laeborg>03:12… Laeborg: cheater
23:17<Laeborg>ups
23:17<Laeborg>Could not run the specified command.
23:17<kop>twb: The nice thing about rdiff-backup is that it keeps diffs, which can be used to rollback incrementally. So, I'd think it'd be able to roll-forward incrementall too.
23:18<twb>Laeborg: the options (-l user) must go before the IP.
23:18<twb>kop: can it also handle file removes?
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23:18<Laeborg>:ssh -l root iphere ?
23:18<twb>Laeborg: yes.
23:18<Laeborg>same error
23:18<twb>Laeborg: why do you keep mentioning a colon (:)?
23:19<kop>twb : It can on the rollback end -- creation and deletion and all mirroring-all-dancing copying.
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23:19<Laeborg>twb: if i delete the : theres just don't happen anything in the command line
23:20<kop>Laeborg : I always type a colon after the username in irc. And I blew it with you and missed the trailing space.
23:20<twb>kop: rdiff looks very nice -- all I'd do then is ship the "extra reverse diffs are stored in a special subdirectory of that target"
23:20<Laeborg>ah
23:20<Laeborg>lol
23:20<kop>twb: right.
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23:20<Laeborg>but if i just type ssh iphere in the console line there just happen nothing
23:21<kop>twb: But you still need to be able to ship a complete copy, no matter what you use. Because someday it'll get out of sync somehow and you need a way to recover.
23:21<twb>kop: however, the diffs would need to be forward diffs, not reverse diffs
23:21<Laeborg>but if i run the command in the terminal, it works
23:21<twb>kop: I'm happy to ship a full mirror via HDD in emergencies, but I don't want to be doing that every month
23:21<kop>twb : You'd have to rtfm. I can't imaging it not doing forward diffs what it does backwards. But....
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23:22<kop>Laeborg : What is isphere?
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23:22<Laeborg>*iphere - the ip to my server
23:23<twb>kop: he means "IP goes here"
23:23<kop>Laeborg : Ah.
23:24<Laeborg>:P
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23:26<qq>Laeborg: hi
23:27<Laeborg>hi qq
23:27<qq>is ssh installed ?
23:28<qq>verry basic question . i know
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23:28<kop>twb: May as well use 500MB and have the thumb drive boot and run whatever program you want to update the device. That way you've control and can customize for particular circumstances without having to be on site.
23:29<Laeborg>well if i go into a terminal and type ssh "ip goes here" and I can connect to the server, but i wan't to make a "shortcut" so I don't need to type ssh "ip goes here" every time
23:29<Laeborg>so yes I think ssh is installed
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23:29<kop>Laeborg : Ah. You want to write a script.
23:29<kop>Laeborg : You want something you can click on on the desktop or something or are you just looking for a typing shortcut?
23:29<qq>hehe
23:30<qq>oops
23:30<twb>kop: well, while the offline sites aren't connected to the internet, I have a dialup shell connection to them
23:30<Laeborg>well i througt I just could place a "link" under 'New Session at bookmark"
23:30<twb>kop: that is, I ring up in advance and tell them to activate their modem; it's not on all the time
23:30<kop>twb : (Install pppd, you won't regret it.)
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23:31<twb>But I really don't enjoy transferring packages over the modem line, since it takes hours for a couple of MB
23:31<twb>Also, my end of the modem connection isn't allowed to be connected to the internet or anything, either
23:32<kop>Laeborg : The applets in the "taskbars" of the various window managers allow you to add "shortcuts" like you're talking about. In gnome you can probably drag such a thing into a menu. You can surely add it to a drawer.
23:32<kop>twb: I understand. But a net connection is just so much handier than plain shell. Even when slow.
23:33<twb>kop: yes, I have pppd on that line
23:33<kop>Laeborg : Otherwise, you can write a very, very simple script and whatever window manager must have a way to add it to a menu. But that depends on the window manager.
23:34<Laeborg>i use KDE and yes it is the applet in the kicker/taskbar/call it what ever you want, I use, but when i try to add a bookmark a write ssh "ip goes here" under location, theres not happens anything when i click on the link
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23:34<kop>Laeborg : You probably want to be looking at your window manager's docs, or telling us more about what you use.
23:34<kop>Laeborg : There's probably a checkbox somewhere that says "run this in a terminal window".
23:35<kop>twb: Bootable usb stick would be nice because the remote end would be completely automated. But if you've got other manual work anyhow then it's probably not worth setting up.
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23:35<Laeborg>no there isn't kop
23:35<twb>kop: I don't really want to take their server down to boot it off a USB key, either
23:36<twb>kop: I might as well just put the logic on their server
23:36<kop>twb : That's a good reason.
23:36<twb>If I was gonna be really wanky, I'd set up hal scripts to detect that particular key and fully automate it
23:36<twb>But that's cut into my pay :-)
23:37<kop>twb : You could do something with an automount triggered script that checks the usb stick's uuid, but that'd be a bit stupid.
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23:37<kop>twb : Great minds think alike. :)
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23:40<kop>Laeborg : I don't know enough kde (and don't really want to know) to help.
23:41<Laeborg>okey
23:42<kop>Laeborg : Ah. I found it.
23:43<kop>Laeborg : You do "add applet" in the taskbar, then "non-kde application launcher". Then configure that, putting in the ssh command and clicking the "run in terminal" checkbox.
23:43<kop>Laeborg : But I find kde lame and expect that you might not be able to take that applet and put it in a menu or on the desktop, although I may well be wrong.
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23:46<andreyv>i run 2 xeon 64x2 processors and gonna compile kernel, so i should run make-kpkg --arch=??? --subarch=x86_64 --initrd --revision=<> kernel_image modules_image. and what should i write in --arch=??? option?
23:47<qq>ia64 ?
23:47<andreyv>i'll try now :)
23:47<twb>x86_64 isn't a subarch
23:48<andreyv>really..
23:49<andreyv>so what is subarch?
23:49<qq>andreyv: what you are running on that machine ?
23:49<twb>For example, an arch might be POWER/PowerPC and the subarch might be POWER4 or POWER5
23:50<twb>If you don't know these things, you probably shouldn't be rolling your own kernel
23:50<andreyv><qq> only base system yet
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23:50<qq>which kernel ?
23:50<andreyv>2.6.25.4
23:50<twb>There's really not much point rolling your own kernel, IMO
23:51<qq>no
23:51<qq>which arch kernel ?
23:51<qq>amd64 ?
23:51<andreyv>twb> nono, i already reconfigured it to match my hardware, just never compiled on 64x processors
23:52<andreyv><qq> yes, arch amd64 - from netinst
23:52<qq>ok
23:52<twb>andreyv: you're silly
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23:54<andreyv><twb> why??? because i didn't do it and there is no examples in man page for options --arch and subarch??
23:54<kop>twb: So, seems to me that with rdiff-backup you'd do "--restore-as-of now" to roll forward. But I don't see anything about whether that would work so it'd be something that'd have to be tested.
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23:56<kop>andreyv : You want to read //usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz for details. You don't need to use --arch to build for the arch of the machine you're running on.
23:57<andreyv><kop> ok, now'll read
23:57<kop>andreyv : But twb is right, you need a reason to build a kernel.
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23:57<kop>andreyv : There arn't that many common reasons.
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23:58<andreyv><kop> the reason is to make it smaller, to remove dirvers i don't need on this machine
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