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---Logopened Tue May 27 00:00:19 2008
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00:01<qq>andreyv: in a hope to get a faster kernel ?
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00:02<andreyv><qq> i know, i won't see it on this machine... just don't wanna keep things i don't need
00:03<andreyv><qq> i'm sure even home you recompiled kernel, isn't it? ))
00:03<kop>andreyv : No reason why you should not have a learning exercize, but realize that that's all that you're doing.
00:04<andreyv>ok, so what if i have the following situation
00:04<kop>andreyv : You'll soon get sick of running it because you'll have to recompile to keep up with security fixes.
00:05<andreyv>my home m/b is elitegroup n2u - and its sound card isn't detected by stanard kernel - what should i do to hear music?
00:06<qq>use a old machine
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00:07<ntbnnt>is there an up-to-date walkthrough to compile my kernel
00:07<ntbnnt>everything i find is very old
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00:09<dpkg>it has been said that make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See, man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
00:10<dpkg>it has been said that module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare
00:10<kop>andreyv: Is that a new board or an old one?
00:11<kop>andreyv : If new, consider using etchnhalf for a newer kernel with newer hardware support. /msg dpkg etchnhalf
00:12<andreyv><kop> old one, it's for amd k7
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00:13<kop>andreyv : Then m-a is the way to go. But, you might want to install linux-doc and read /usr/share/doc/linux-doc/Documentation/* and root around in there for what it says about supporting your sound card. Maybe the kernel-parameters.txt.gz file tells the kernel how to turn support on, or maybe there's some other bit that needs flipping that does not require a kernel recompile.
00:14<kop>andreyv : There's mention of _lots_ of hardware in there. And search aptitude (or whatever) for your sound hardware. There may be a module package you can install.
00:14<andreyv><kop> i agree, but already recompiled :)
00:15<andreyv><kop> ic that later almost every linux box had it's own kernel, but now most people avoid doing it and don't advice to do it to others.. why so? can't understand
00:17<kop>andreyv : Because the software's modularized, so you only use a bit of disk space for extra hardware support. And memory's cheap, so the teeny overhead (if that) of modules does not matter to the kernel process. And because there's constantly security fixes and nobody wants to have to keep their own private kernel up to date.
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00:18<kop>andreyv : And computers are fast, so tweaking gains little. The downsides outweigh the advantages.
00:18<andreyv><kop> seems that i'm paranoic conservator ))
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00:20<josh>why would my mouse skip? its does it when i'm in debian and sometimes when i'm in xp, is it a hardware issue?
00:20<kop>andreyv : And you have to know the details of the hardware, and fuss when changes are made. Who cares about hardware unless you've got a reason or have a hardware fetish.
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00:21<kop>josh : usb?
00:22<kop>andreyv : And if you don't get it right then your kernel fails, sometimes in strange and painful ways.
00:22<josh>on my laptop, sorry important detail
00:22<kop>josh: built in?
00:23<josh>it doesn't seem to happen in vista tho
00:23<andreyv><kop> yes, it is )) help image.old )
00:24<kop>josh : It's remotely possible something that has higher priority, like the disk, is sucking enough bus bandwidth or other resource that your mouse is delayed. Awfully hard to tell.
00:24<kop>josh : New laptop?
00:25<josh>not really, it's a tablet oo
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00:25<kop>josh : New in computer terms and new when it comes to support in stable are two different scales. What debian version?
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00:27<josh>it did it with etch to
00:28<kop>josh : Hard to say. If you wanted to be a madman then you could build the latest kernel from (see the kernel-build package) and see if the problem goes away.
00:28<josh>it's a core two duo, 1gb mem 2 two gig processors
00:29<kop>josh : New enough that it could be an issue with software support for the hardware.
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00:29<josh>what's the command to see what version you have ?
00:30<kop>josh : uname -r or uname -a
00:32<kop>josh : No telling. I suppose it's possible that there's something in X that's an issue, but I wouldn't think so for mouse problems. But then I don't know much about X.
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00:33<oigres>Hi, is there a simple cmd line instruction to display a picture, other than the "display" command provided by imagemagic. I'm actually looking for something extremely simple...
00:33<kop>josh : So you could look at and see how many months of development is between your current kernel and the latest one. But then you'd have to learn to build a new kernel. Not hard, but ...
00:33<kop>oigres : feh?
00:34<kop>oigres : There's probably lots of choices. Do an aptitude search of things like "image" and "display"
00:35<kop>oigres : I settled on feh.
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00:36*oigres is installing feh
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00:37<kop>josh: If you do build a new kernel use your current kernel's configure file stored in /boot/ and just take all the defaults when making a .config for the new kernel.
00:37<aloha-shin>some1 here ccan help me with SSH Public-Key Authentication?
00:37<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
00:37<aloha-shin>I tried to followed the guide from here
00:37<aloha-shin>but i dont understand
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00:38<aloha-shin>or some1 who knows better guide than this im using putty.
00:38<kop>aloha-shin : Think of public/private keys this way. You make a key pair and the private part is your secret. The public part you give away. Anybody who wants to let you login with ssh (or whatever) can take the public key and use it to identify you and grant you login rights.
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00:40<kop>aloha-shin : So, two steps. 1) make the key pair. 2) Copy the public key and stick it wherever the remote computer's ssh daemon wants it to allow you to login on the remote box. If the remote box is debian, it goes in your home directory's .ssh/authorized_keys file on a line by itself.
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00:40<aloha-shin>im using debian lenny
00:41<aloha-shin>where do i need to put that file
00:41<aloha-shin>under /home ?
00:41<kop>aloha-shin : For the computer you want to login to?
00:42<kop>aloha-shin : The one you're connecting to is lenny? It goes in /home/foo/.ssh/authorized_keys, as a new line or the whole file if there's no file already.
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00:42<aloha-shin>im connecting to the rented dedi running on debian lenny
00:42*oigres liked feh... Tx guys!
00:42<aloha-shin>and now login as root
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00:43<aloha-shin>aloha:~# cd /home/foo
00:43<aloha-shin>-bash: cd: /home/foo: No such file or directory
00:43<kop>aloha-shin : You can do it as root too. (But that can be turned on/off in /etc/ssh/sshd_config.)
00:43<aloha-shin>do i need to create that folder?
00:44<dpkg>somebody said foo was probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <> and <bar>, also read RFC3092.
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00:44<kop>aloha-shin : In this case foo needs to be replaced by your login. But if it's root then root's home directory is just /root, not /home/root.
00:45<kop>aloha-shin : So, /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
00:45<aloha-shin>ok testing...
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00:45<aloha-shin>its nothing
00:45<aloha-shin>cd root
00:45<aloha-shin>no such file
00:46<kop>aloha-shin : Step 3 is logging in. For that you need to tell your ssh client what public/private key pair your using to identify yourself. I don't know how to do that with putty.
00:46<aloha-shin>look at this guide
00:48<kop>aloha-shin : You need some of the basics. /root is different from root
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00:52<kop>aloha-shin : You need to tell the channel what you did, and what happend then, and what you thought would happen.
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00:52<aloha-shin>i haven't started yet
00:52<aloha-shin>because i dont understtand the guide
00:52<aloha-shin>from this link
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00:53<aloha-shin>i foloow this "Run puttygen.exe and generate an SSH2 public/private key pair. Save these as and daniel.ppk."
00:54<aloha-shin>but when i save the file adiksaro.ppk is done but saving the public adiksaro the extension is gone. (no extension)
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00:55<kop>aloha-shin : Every public/private key pair is 2 files. Debian will not care about the file names. We can't help you generate keys on MS Windows on this channel. That's a question for putty, or maybe a MS Windows channel.
00:58<kop>aloha-shin : Besides, in my experience MS Windows only shows you what it thinks you want to see, not what's actually there. How do you know the extension is really gone? You need to know MS Windows to tell.
00:59<aloha-shin>i saw it by saving the file
00:59<aloha-shin>i have puttygen.exe here
00:59<aloha-shin>I save first to private then with the extension ppk
00:59<kop>aloha-shin : Did you look at the filename in a dos window? The MS file window thingie likes to do things to extensions.
01:00<aloha-shin>then saving with public i dont see any extension
01:00<aloha-shin>its nothing
01:00<kop>aloha-shin : One run of puttygen should generate 2 files.
01:00<aloha-shin>save generated key
01:00<aloha-shin>two buttons
01:01<aloha-shin>the first button is save public key and the other is save private key
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01:02<aloha-shin>hi kop.
01:02<aloha-shin>is ssh key authen. really secure debian ?
01:02<twb>aloha-shin: nothing is secure.
01:03<Supaplex>erm, ##windows for putty+windows questions
01:03<twb>Supaplex: technically, PuTTY is part of Debian :-)
01:03<aloha-shin>omg. nothing secure ?
01:04<aloha-shin>then this is useless
01:04<Supaplex>aloha-shin: are we talking absolutes or best practices here?
01:04<twb>aloha-shin: that is not true.
01:04<aloha-shin>excuse me?
01:04<Supaplex>if you want absolute security, buy some armed guards, a safe, and keep the computer off in a safe.
01:04<twb>Supaplex: that's still not absolute
01:05<twb>Supaplex: a strike team could still get to the computer
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01:05<twb>This is why I say there is no such thing as being "secure".
01:05<Supaplex>how about /reasonably secure/ ? which is what I assume aloha-shin implies.
01:06<twb>What one does is simply create layers of security, with each layer increasing security at (usually) the cost of decreasing convenience.
01:06<aloha-shin>someone told me use ssh key authen. for security!!!
01:06<nevyn>aloha-shin: it's significantly better than a bad password
01:06<twb>...and increasing expense.
01:06<nevyn>aloha-shin: it's substancially better than a good password
01:07<aloha-shin>NinjaMan / Roger told me about this
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01:07<aloha-shin>but his not online now that's i can't ask him
01:07<twb>aloha-shin: using passphrase-protected SSH keys are more secure than using a password.
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01:07<nevyn>twb: as long as the rng used to generate them is actually random
01:07<twb>aloha-shin: but I could put a gun to your head and tell you to choose between giving me the passphrase or having your brains decorate the opposite wall, thereby defeating that layer of security.
01:08<twb>nevyn: conceded.
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01:08<aloha-shin>what do u mean.
01:09<nevyn>Where everything's working ssh keys are substancially more secure than passwords they're longer and the authentication process doesn't rely on the secret being transmitted over the wire
01:09<aloha-shin>nevyn i think get it "what your saying"
01:10<twb>aloha-shin: Security is not a checkbox that you tick, going from "I am insecure" to "I am secure".
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01:11<aloha-shin>that's why i want to know how ssh key authen. work.
01:11<nevyn>aloha-shin: however everyone's gotten a bit jumpy because debian actually had an incident in the last 4 weeks that involved things being broken where keys were not very secure
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01:12<nevyn>if you want the details of that incident go read the debian wiki page.
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01:13<aloha-shin>then I'll stop reading this guide
01:13<nevyn>no that guide is the right thing to read
01:13<aloha-shin>I'll just make my password too long
01:13<nevyn>it explains how ot use keys.
01:14<nevyn>aloha-shin: the problem has now been resolved and as long as you've followed the directions in the advisory it's safe to use key based authentication
01:14<nevyn>aloha-shin: if you have not followed the directions in the advisory then even a long password is not secure.
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01:15<nevyn>as the host keys are weak and suseptible to playback and the ssh authentication channel is not secured.
01:15<nevyn>well it's secured but by weak keys
01:15<nevyn>so someone could sniff the traffic and decrypt it to get your password
01:16<aloha-shin>using debian lenny
01:17<nevyn>when did you install it?
01:17<aloha-shin>I use debian lenny just to run my private ragnarok online server.
01:17<aloha-shin>nothing else
01:17<aloha-shin>do u know rangarok online server?
01:17<aloha-shin>private server actually
01:17<Supaplex>I don't doubt lenny had similar issues.
01:17<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
01:17<twb>nevyn: it's a MMORPG
01:17<aloha-shin>its an ONLINE GAME
01:18<nevyn>what's your point?
01:18<aloha-shin>that's all Im just running this debian lenny to host this private server RO.
01:18<Supaplex>Massively Mobile Offensive Rocket Propelled Grenade?
01:18<aloha-shin>i don't know if need anything else to install.
01:18<aloha-shin>like firewall? do i need this
01:19<aloha-shin>do i need hardene this debian lenny? is it possible
01:19<nevyn>yes it's possible.
01:19<Supaplex>!mmorpg aloha-shin
01:19*dpkg fires off a few Massively Mobile Offensive Rocket Propelled Grenades at aloha-shin for a total of 446 damage!
01:19<nevyn>is it a private server as in private network or it's on the internet?
01:19<aloha-shin>im not sure how to secure this the only thing i know is how to create a secure passwrd. nothing else
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01:19<twb>Supaplex: by "massively mobile" do you mean man-portable?
01:20<aloha-shin>hey RIVE
01:20<aloha-shin>are u from philippines
01:20<Supaplex>I guess that would qualify
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01:21<Supaplex>aloha-shin: he we buhbye already
01:21<aloha-shin>no matter what i do. im still a beginner.
01:21<aloha-shin>i said to my host install etch but they install lenny :-(
01:22<Supaplex>aloha-shin: according to whois, that IP address is in Mexico
01:22<twb>Supaplex: "massively mobile" isn't a designator I'm familiar with.
01:22<aloha-shin>i got a bigproblem with my host they dont support linux except windows. =(
01:23<aloha-shin>mexico. ok
01:23<aloha-shin>i have a mexican players on my server. HEHEHE
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01:24<aloha-shin>i better read more guides.
01:24<members>I've got a relatively severe problem. Fonts in our GNOME install are rendering with horizontal lines through them, making the display intelligible.
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01:25<twb>members: does this happen if with a new user that doesn't have any dotfiles and doesn't have any gconf* or gnome-* processes running?
01:25<members>I thought this issue was a result of installing KDE. The command line in KDE is now rendering vertical lines.
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01:26<members>I will make a new user.
01:27<Supaplex>Call him george.
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01:30<members>ok.. no lines
01:30<members>what's that mean?
01:30<twb>members: it means you fucked up somehow
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01:31<members>now I'm the admin.. and I already deleted all the house documents when I installed debian
01:31<members>and our CPU is overheating
01:32<members>and hannah stubbed her toe
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01:34<members>I seeeriously thing'd I backed up all the coorect files
01:34<members>but no.. and I'm drunk.. sorry :(
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01:35<aloha-shin>your drunk now?
01:37<Supaplex>members: like a little drunk, or brain rot drunk?
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01:40<fechado>Hi, who speak spanish or portugees?
01:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
01:41<fechado>All right :)
01:41<twb>!tell fechado -about pt
01:41<Supaplex>any time
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01:49<members>a little drunk
01:49<aloha-shin>is this a desktop debian?
01:49<aloha-shin>its cool.
01:49<members>although brain rot runs in my family and i am aware of state dependant memory
01:49<twb>dependent, I suspect
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01:50<members>did you know that gnats take pictures?
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01:52<members>and pantemime bullets are memely a grey matter wound
01:54<members>So, if I back-up the files in the Members directory and copy them into George things will be spiffy/
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01:56<members>but how do I figure out what .program messed up GNOME?
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02:00<aloha-shin>i saw a desktop for linux debian etch. and its look cool how did they do they debian OS like a vista style. I saw it in youtube
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02:02<vsmatck>I bet a good place to look would be on the compiz-fusion screenshots forum.
02:03<aloha-shin>ok what is the site?
02:03<aloha-shin>i can't believe with 4 desktop.
02:03<aloha-shin>debian etch
02:04<aloha-shin>i saw here
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02:05<vsmatck> Everyone there is in to eye candy.
02:05<aloha-shin>ok thanks. vsmatck
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02:06<ntbnnt>why doe iceweasel break when loading iframes
02:06<jm_>ntbnnt: how does it break?
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02:06<ntbnnt>i have to force kill it
02:06<ntbnnt>it completely freezes
02:06<jm_>which site would that be?
02:07<ntbnnt>any log files that i may be able to analyze?
02:07<ntbnnt>its with the blackboard academic suite
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02:07<jm_>anywhere on the net where one could check it?
02:07<ntbnnt>hmmm, iframes aren't used that much to my knowledge
02:08<vsmatck>hmm, I disagree. I frames are very common.
02:08<jm_>they are not uncommon either
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02:08<ntbnnt>any site with which I may test this
02:09<ntbnnt>it's possible that the site just sucks
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02:09<jm_>browser should not hang even if the site sucks
02:09<ntbnnt>that's what I'm saying
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02:10<ntbnnt>hey now
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02:11<Stephan>Same with me Epiphany hangs, Iceweasel - too, Evolution is not starting atall!
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02:11<ntbnnt>when accessing iframes, Stephan??
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02:12<Stephan>I tried to report a bug about it but the man said it was not a bug and I don't know what to do about it.
02:12<twb>ntbnnt: you are running a blackboard server?
02:12<jm_>what is the reasoning for it not being a bug?
02:13<ntbnnt>just doing some course work
02:13<twb>I hate blackboard
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02:13<Stephan>When trying to open for ex., ntbnnt
02:13<twb>apache/vsftpd and an nntpd are soooo much nicer
02:13<ntbnnt>haha, definately
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02:14<ntbnnt>it seems the iframe is loading some javascript
02:14<twb>ntbnnt: have you tried using w3m or something with their blackboard instance?
02:14<ntbnnt>i'll try that now
02:14<twb>ntbnnt: it probably will just say "sorry, you are not firefox, fuck off", but it's worth a shot
02:15<jm_>they didn't say it's not a bug, just that it's not very obvious where the problem is
02:16<jm_>and about iceweasel - does it start firefox-bin?
02:16<ntbnnt>twb, it says basically that
02:17<jm_>Stephan: do you see firefox-bin being started?
02:17<Stephan>I don know jm_
02:17<jm_>Stephan: then check it
02:17<twb>Moco are good at religiously claiming that their bugs are "features"
02:17<jm_>uhm with ps
02:17<ntbnnt>twb, like the borked tooltips!
02:19<Stephan>currently iceweasel freezes on "About"
02:19<jm_>help->about or what?
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02:20<ntbnnt>hmmm, it seems the WYSIWYG editor in the site is killing my session :(
02:20<Stephan>I've not set a home page so it displays "About: - Iceweasel" page and freezes
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02:20<jm_>that's just bizarre
02:20<twb>Stephan: what version are you running?
02:21<twb>ntbnnt: do you have a java or flash plugin installed?
02:21<twb>Try without them
02:21<twb>Particularly if you're using a Free java rather than Sun Java
02:22<ntbnnt>it should be sun java
02:22<twb>ntbnnt: you installed sun-java6-plugin?
02:22<ntbnnt>i have like 3 versions of java installed
02:23<twb>ntbnnt: then why do you think it "should" be sun java?
02:23<ntbnnt>that's one of them
02:23<ntbnnt>i wasn't sure what iceweasel was pointing to
02:23<ntbnnt>its sun java
02:23<ntbnnt>fo sure
02:24<ntbnnt>it werks with java disabled
02:25<ntbnnt>and iceweasel runs sooo much better
02:25<Stephan>How do I disable java when I can't start the application?
02:25<twb>ntbnnt: there you are, then
02:26<ntbnnt>i was figuring that it was java, because if what the iframe was loading
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02:26<ntbnnt>thanks for reminding me that i could disable it
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02:26<jm_>Stephan: with gconftool-2
02:27<twb>ntbnnt: you might be able to disable it on a per-page basis using something like the noflash extension, but for java
02:27<jm_>but it's highly unlikely your problem will be solved by that
02:27<Stephan>jm_: Thanks! I'll try.
02:27<twb>...not that I approve of java, mozilla, sun, plugins, or dynamic web pages
02:27<ntbnnt>yea, i was only having troubles with the one page
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02:27<ntbnnt>i think that the way they are loading the editor is strange
02:28<ntbnnt>IE7 is the only thing that loads it properly
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02:29<ntbnnt>its using designmode it seems, but whatever, i'll send them an e-mail
02:29<jm_>noscript can block java on a per-site basis
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02:36<twb>ntbnnt: whereupon they will ignore you
02:36<twb>The blackboard people don't give a shit about non-IE browsers
02:36<ntbnnt>they will tell me that I'm nuts
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02:36<ntbnnt>give me some link to download IE7
02:37<myWifeIs19>where can I find X man page, the section 7 one....
02:39<twb>myWifeIs19: man Xorg
02:40<myWifeIs19>twb, I did that already but no info on -display option....
02:41<myWifeIs19>Xorg man page references X(7) which I cannot find anywhere....
02:42<twb>xorg-docs: /usr/share/man/man7/X.7.gz
02:42<twb>From apt-file search usr/share/man/man7/X
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02:44<myWifeIs19>twb, thanks you. found it.
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02:49<Stephan>Hey I removed "~.gnome2/epiphany" and I could open but I needed those passwords and bookmarks! What could I do about it?
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02:50<Nemoder>retrieve your backups. or if you have no backups consider this a life lesson.
02:51<Stephan>Nemoder: what backups? Was that for me?
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02:56<twb>Stephan: it was.
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03:05<Stephan>twb: what kind of backup could help me in that situation and how do I make such a backup?
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03:13<twb>Stephan: running something like rsnapshot over /home would be a start
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03:17<Stephan>twb: the problems appeared after an upgrade, than disappeared after another one and now it seems they a here to stay.
03:21<Stephan>twb: How could a backup help? I don't get it! It's like a one thing that bugging the programs and if I don't find it the new versions with the old bookmarks won't work forever, are they?
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03:22<jm_>stop using buggy programs then
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04:07<Stephan>jm_: I suspect it could be an encoding problem but I don't know how to resolve it. I'm Bulgarian living in Bulgaria so that's how I installed Etch but Gnome was using utf-8 and in the console it defaulted to cp1251, migrating to Lenny I might have made a wrong decision when debconf asked I answered utf-8 and now in a terminal window I see normal text but in a console it's not readable. I don't know how to resolve that.
04:08<jm_>Stephan: do you care about console?
04:10<Stephan>jm_: Not unless I'm not able to use the graphical interface and than it'll be very complicated :(
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04:10<jm_>Stephan: so fix the GUI stuff -- start with iceweasel
04:11<Stephan>jm_: What to do, remove it's settings?
04:12<jm_>Stephan: no, start by finding out if it uses a lot of CPU and its stacktrace
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04:15<Stephan>jm_: I'm not sure how to do that but I'll try in a while, thanks.
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04:16<jm_>Stephan: top/htop/..., and gdb for stacktrace, strace might also show something
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04:47<Stephan>jm_: "strace iceweasel" ended with:
04:47<Stephan>munmap(0xb4f02000, 4096) = 0
04:47<Stephan>--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
04:47<Stephan>unlink("/home/stephan/.mozilla/firefox/g25fk96h.default/lock") = 0
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04:49<jm_>streuner: that means it's crashing
04:49<jm_>streuner: sorry
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04:50<jm_>Stephan: that means it has crashed
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04:51<Stephan>jm_: But why isn't bug-buddy starting? What should I do?
04:52<Stephan>jm_: The window opened just about there and is still open but is not responding.
04:53<Stephan>jm_: That was the case with Epiphany before I removed it's settings.
04:53<jm_>Stephan: I have no idea what bug-buddy is
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04:53<jm_>Stephan: check if it leaves a core file
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04:54<Stephan>jm_: It's a tool for reporting bugs in Gnome and it has started on similar occasions before.
04:54<Stephan>jm_: How?
04:55<Stephan>/ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS
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04:55<jm_>Stephan: ls -lrt
04:56<Stephan>jm_: ls where?
04:57<jm_>Stephan: in the dir you started iceweasel from - or if you are starting it from a menu, simply open a terminal and run it from there and see what it says
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05:01<Stephan>jm_: futex(0xb7292140, 0x80 /* FUTEX_??? */, 2 <unfinished ...>
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05:02<jenipapo>hi all
05:02<Stephan>is the last line of the strace and <unfinished ...> appears after Ctrl+C
05:02<Stephan>jm_: There's nothing in the dir after that.
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05:03<jm_>Stephan: try ulimit -c 999999999 ; iceweasel
05:04<Stephan>jm_: Nothing. It started and froze again.
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05:06<Stephan>jm_: gnome-system-monitor said it's sleeping.
05:07<AbsintheSyringe>after I try to access ftp via places in gnome, whole thing will just slow too much that eventually I'll just have to kill every nautilus, does this happend to anybody elese? debian testing
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05:09<jm_>Stephan: check if the process is still alive and print stack trace for it
05:10<jm_>AbsintheSyringe: did you check its memory usage?
05:10<Stephan>jm_: I'm sorry but I don't know how to do that.
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05:11<jm_>Stephan: attach to the process with 'gdb <pid>' then in gdb run 'thread apply all bt', and no pasting here
05:11<AbsintheSyringe>jm_, I'll check right now
05:13<Stephan>jm_: $ gdb 4157
05:13<jm_>AbsintheSyringe: well check it in regular intervals - something like this: 'while true; do date;ps auxw|grep nautilus; sleep 10; done > mem.txt', then start using it and finally check mem.txt at the end
05:14<Stephan>jm_: 4157: No such file or directory.
05:14<jm_>Stephan: you need to do this on the firefox-bin process, not on the iceweasel script
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05:14<AbsintheSyringe>jm_, will do, tnx
05:14<jm_>Stephan: bah gdb -p
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05:15<Stephan>jm_: "stephan 4157 11.2 13.0 128356 33348 pts/0 Sl+ 12:12 0:02 /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin -a firefox"
05:15<jm_>Stephan: yeah you need to use -p
05:15<Stephan>:) Ok!
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05:18<Stephan>jm_: "Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?)" three times, now what?
05:18<jm_>Stephan: that is already indication of something being screwed - are you using Debian?
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05:19<Wesley>Whats the location of your crontab in debian? (when u do crontab -e)
05:20<Stephan>Debian testing, yes!
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05:21<jm_>Wesley: /var/spool/cron/... as per the man page
05:22<jm_>Stephan: hmm which version of iceweasel?
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05:22<xaxexa>ïðèâåò âñåì åñòü ðóññêèå òóò? :)
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05:22<dpkg>hmm... ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
05:22<xaxexa>hi all
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05:23<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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05:26<Wesley>Ahh right, I knew that. thanks jm_
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05:27<jm_>Stephan: hmm same as I am using
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05:37<Stephan>jm_: Should I remove the settings or what?
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05:47<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to see my compromise keys for ssh. with ssh-vulnkey -a some don't appear, but with my .ssh are compromised
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05:49<jm_>Stephan: no
05:50<sep>bcochofel, if in doubt replace them
05:50<sep>bcochofel, it's good practice to not let them grow stale anyway
05:51<padski>stale ?
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06:04<MrNaz>is there a way to mount a remote directory or partition securely? SSHfs is easy to set up and secure, but performance is pretty poor and I've been told that NFS is not designed for use over untrusted networks... any thoughts?
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06:06<padski>MrNaz, ipsec ?
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06:10<jm_>MrNaz: nfsv4 cures that
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06:15<jm_>there's also lftp based fuse FS
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06:22<twb>MrNaz: OpenAFS is designed to be used over untrusted networks.
06:22<twb>MrNaz: it's an incredibly massive PITA to set up, however
06:23<twb>Tunneling NFSv3 over a VPN would probably be easier to set up.
06:25<twb>bcochofel: according to the SSLkeys wiki page, dowkd tends to have a lot of false positives
06:25<bcochofel>twb: anyway, I have generated my ssh keys, now I have to generated all my ssl certs on my home server
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06:27<maxb>If I understand how it works, false positives from dowkd are incredibly *un*likely
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06:27<DTE>hi all
06:28<bcochofel>by the way, can I use to re-generate my postfix pem keys?
06:28<DTE>i'm searching for a backup solution
06:28<DTE>i tried (and still using) backuppc
06:28<DTE>but i'm not 100% satisfied
06:29<DTE>i'd like something similar, but maybe with an easier restore way
06:29<DTE>especially from command line
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06:30<DTE>i read about bacula...and still have some doubts
06:30<DTE>someone have suggestions?
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06:43<padski>DTE, what doubts ?
06:43<twb>padski: like, do girls really like him
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06:59<DTE>padski: i'd like a tool that in case i can just use directly the files backed up instead of usign always the tool
07:00<DTE>something like osx time machine would be perfect
07:00<twb>There is a FUSE-based versioned filesystem
07:00<DTE>but i still didn't find anything
07:00<petemc>whats wrong with backuppc?
07:00<twb>Ideally you should just teach your users to use a version control system like git or svn.
07:00<padski>DTE, I am unfamiliar with osx time machine
07:01<twb>The middle ground, which is what sane people choose, is something like rsnapshot or, I guess, backuppc
07:01<jm_>DTE: for simple stuff look at rdup or dobackup
07:01<petemc>or dirvish
07:01<DTE>padski: just copy the files and using a lot of hard link
07:01<twb>DTE: that's basically what rsnapshot does
07:01<padski>DTE, didn't arch do that ?
07:01<Bushmills>the fuse based versioning fs is too simple to be practical, in my opionion.
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07:01<craigevil>DTE: (flyback - Google Code)
07:01<DTE>with backuppc i got many problem using the command line tool
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07:02<twb>cp -al x.~1~ x.~2~ && rsync x x.~2~
07:02<Bushmills>it is basen on copying modified files, giving them a different name. no diffs done.
07:02<padski>!linus' advice on backups
07:02<dpkg>"Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" -- Linus Torvalds, 1996-07-20
07:02<Bushmills>i.e many small changes on larger files will be very inefficient.
07:02<petemc>DTE: cant you just use 'normal' tools to restore from backuppc archives?
07:03<DTE>i have to say...the perfect backup system is to use solaris and their fs + tools (qfs + sam)
07:03<DTE>but it take too long to implement
07:04<DTE>petemc: all files are renamed with f or f%2 if i remember well
07:04<petemc>thats not the case with dirvish
07:04<Bushmills>i suppose there are more than one "perfect" backup system, because it depends how one uses it, and in what environment
07:04<petemc>i thought zfs was the way forward, what does qfs and sam do?
07:05<DTE>Bushmills: sure
07:05<DTE>petemc: sam is a storage controller
07:05<Bushmills>zfs looks interesting, yes. and WAFL architecture file systems.
07:05<DTE>that can move files between tape and disk on the base of the usage
07:05<petemc>ive been phasing out tapes in the past few years
07:06<DTE>me too...but we're are going to need many disk to keep track of the backups
07:06<DTE>we're making audio-video files
07:07<petemc>ive said it twice already, but ill try a third time - look at dirvish, simple to set up, easy to restore
07:07<DTE>i'm looking at it
07:07<petemc>all good :)
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07:08<Bushmills>dar might be a candidate for incremental file backups
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07:44<DTE>dirvish sounds interesting
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08:35<include>íàðîä ïîäñêàæèòå ïëç êàêîé äèñòðòáóòèâ äèáèàíà áðàòü äëÿ Intel Core Duo
08:35<twb>I was with you up to "Intel Core Duo"
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08:36<twb>Everything before that is just escape characters
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08:36<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
08:37<include>ok tnx
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08:39<jm_>feel free to ask in english here though
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08:40<jm_>which reminds me that 2.6.24-686 kernel from lenny doesn't work for me in qmeu (etch)
08:40<jm_>qemu even
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08:41<padski>jm_, the qemu in lenny ?
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08:41<twb>jm_: all the ISO 639 infobot entries should include "but you can ask here in english"
08:41<jm_>padski: naah, qemu is from etch, but it's running lenny
08:41<jm_>twb: indeed
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08:44<jm_>heh similar bug in BTS already
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08:45<jm_>hmm now it works, I wonder what has changed
08:45<twb>this time, you WANT it to fail
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08:47<petterson>I've installed madwifi and it looks everything went fine
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08:47<petterson>but I can't even ping the wireless router
08:47<petterson>how can I do what is the problem?
08:48<twb>Does the interface exist?
08:48<twb>If so, is it associated with the correct AP?
08:48<twb>If so, does wpasupplicant successfully complete handshaking?
08:49<petterson>twb: wait, I'm super dummy, lol
08:49<petterson>what is AP? How I see if wpasupplicant completed the handshaking
08:50<twb>petterson: /sbin/iwconfig ath0
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08:50<petterson>AP: not associated
08:50<twb>So you need to fix that.
08:51<twb>Install and configure either NM (if you are a GNOME-using wanker who likes to "fix" things by rebooting and praying) or just wpasupplicant.
08:52<petterson>twb: I'm a newbie that likes to learn :)
08:52<petterson>twb: NM = Network Manager?
08:52<twb>petterson: yes.
08:54<petterson>twb: I have network manager installed ... and wpasupplicant. Where do I setup AP?
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08:54<twb>petterson: I'm not familiar with NM configuration
08:55<twb>somewhere in the GUI and/or by wishful thinking
08:55<petterson>twb: lol
08:55<petterson>how do you suggest me (other than NM) to do it?
08:56<twb>22:51 <twb> Install and configure either NM (if you are a GNOME-using wanker who likes to "fix" things by rebooting and praying) or just wpasupplicant.
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08:57<petterson>twb: I have read it :p (I have NM and I am not a GNOME-using wanker ...) and I have wpasupplicant, but don't know how to use it
08:57<twb>You must write a wpasupplicant.conf file, and point /etc/network/interfaces at it.
08:58<twb>I believe /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant has lots of documentation on it.
08:58<petterson>twb: thanks a lot
08:58<twb>Uninstalling NM first is probably a good idea, to prevent it rewriting config and resetting your interfaces.
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09:00<sugarmice>How do I re-enable some of the excluded drivers in the 2.6.24 etchnhalf kernel package? Obviously I need to build the package myself, but how do I stop the package maintenance scripts from ripping out the acenic module?
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09:28<jenipapo>hi all
09:28<jenipapo>I have a question around used files in reecompiling a kernel
09:29<petterson>twb: I am trying to use ifup to start my ath0 interface
09:29<petterson>twb: I get an error about the size of my key ...
09:29<jenipapo>When using make config or make menuconfig or make xconfig, what is the "root" file?
09:29<jenipapo>I mean the file containing information used by make
09:29<jenipapo>and the real question is:
09:29<petterson>twb: I'm using 128-bit hexadecimal key (WEB) how can I configure it in wep.conf?
09:29<Gekz>what do you do when a package is stuck in a semi-installed state
09:29<Gekz>and it refuses to reinstal, install or uninstall?
09:29<petterson>twb: I found no example for that
09:29<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just
09:30<padski>jenipapo, config ?
09:31<jenipapo>you mean .config ?
09:31<padski>jenipapo, yes
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09:32<jenipapo>I think .config is GENERATED by make
09:34<padski>jenipapo, ah! then, the files are all through the tree (last time i looked).
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09:39<enouf>Gekz: apt-get install -f
09:39<Gekz>enouf: tried that
09:39<Gekz>it once again said no dice.
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09:40<enouf>Gekz: paste the command and error
09:40<Gekz>its a bit hard when the computer is at my school
09:40<Gekz>and the school is proxied to hell
09:40<Gekz>ie, no way out except port 80
09:41<Gekz>and everything is blocked except like
09:41<enouf>Gekz: can you do it in #flood?
09:41<Gekz>ie, I cant access it from here
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09:42<Gekz>I'm discussing possible ways to fix it now
09:42<enouf>jenipapo: what do you mean root file?
09:42<Gekz>to try tomorrow
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09:42<Gekz>I tried dpkg --configure -a, apt-get install -f
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09:42<enouf>come back tomorrow - we're out to lunch
09:42<Gekz>aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg-input-wacom
09:42<enouf>apt-get install --reinstall
09:43<Gekz>apt-get -f remove xserver-xorg-input-wacom
09:43<Gekz>enouf: its the same thing
09:43<enouf>but you likely have depends issues, and likely from you mixing releases
09:43<enouf>so suffer
09:43<enouf>what's what same thing?
09:43<Gekz>upgrading from etch to lenny
09:43<Gekz>should be a non-sufferable situation
09:43<Juventino>guys, how can i change the volumes names?
09:43<Gekz>aptitude reinstall vs apt-get install --reinstall
09:44<enouf>Juventino: what FS type?
09:44<enouf>i don;t use aptitude
09:44<Juventino>enouf, ext3
09:44<enouf>Juventino: man e2label
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09:45<enouf>Juventino: is that what you mean?
09:45<Juventino>enouf, thnx :D
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09:47<Juventino>enouf, do i need to remount the device to see the new names?
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09:47<enouf>Juventino: i would think so - hrm
09:47<jenipapo>enouf, .config is generated by make *config
09:47<jenipapo>where make take its options
09:48<Juventino>well it's not working..
09:48<Juventino>i'll try a reboot
09:48<enouf>Gekz: i would ~$ apt-cache depends xserver-xorg-input-wacom .. then note what kind of errors - did you do update && upgrade && dist-upgrade ? i type slow, can you tell?
09:48<enouf>Gekz: errors from installing i mean
09:48<jenipapo>is there a file where, if i chage some option, i see it using any *config ?
09:48<Gekz>I did update && dist-upgrade afaik
09:48<enouf>is it a postinst script error? a dependency issue?
09:49<jenipapo>its what i call "root" file
09:49<Gekz>it said something about being badly installed
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09:49<Gekz>nothing specific
09:49<enouf>jenipapo: ok, so .config you wanted?
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09:49<enouf>jenipapo: note make clean wipes those, so back up any you're saving/using to somewhere else
09:49<jenipapo>.config is the result of make *config
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09:50<enouf>Gekz: there's some xorg stuff going on - see /msg dpkg etch->lenny
09:50<enouf>you did alter sources.list, then run update, yes?
09:51<enouf>jenipapo: it can be, or it can be copied from elsewhere prior
09:51<Gekz>I already said that
09:51<Gekz>I've updated from etch 4 times
09:51<enouf>jenipapo: then make oldconfig
09:51<Gekz>on 4 different pcs
09:51<Gekz>this one failed
09:51<enouf>not to me
09:51<Gekz>I did
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09:52<Gekz>23:48 < Gekz> I did update && dist-upgrade afaik
09:52<Gekz>I didnt run update for fun lol
09:52<enouf>so you didn't do as i asked
09:52<enouf>... " did you do update && upgrade && dist-upgrade ?"
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09:53<Gekz>I didnt have to do upgrade
09:54<Gekz>everything was up to date
09:54<enouf>anyways, without exact errors you're hopeless to try and help
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09:54<Gekz>you missed my point at the beginnign, lol
09:54<Gekz>I was talking generically how to deal with the situation
09:54<enouf>stick with one though, apt or aptitude atleast till settled into lenny
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10:37<ali3n0>hi guys. Looking for a good soul who can help me dumping mysql db with special characters, or at least to put me on the right way :-D
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10:38<ali3n0>the problem is: some characters become wrong when I dump a db and restore it on another machine. Every charset is latin1 and collation are default
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10:44<maxb>ali3n0: Identifying what the characters are and what they're changing to might help in figuring out the problem.
10:44<maxb>Also worth determining what versions of MySQL are in play at every step.
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10:44<ali3n0>maxb: I'm keeping the same charset for everything
10:44<maxb>And using a fairly new mysqldump would be a good idea even if the servers are older
10:45<ali3n0>server is latest version for etch, 5.0.something
10:45<maxb>ali3n0: But clearly you're not, or you wouldn't be having a problem
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10:45<ali3n0>maxb: that's what is puzzling me
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10:45<maxb>I'd say the very first thing you should do is work out whether they're breaking during the dump or the load
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10:46<ali3n0>maxb: yeah, I think the dump is wrong but I can't understand why
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10:47<ali3n0>I explicitly forced latin1 (the original db's one) doing the mysqldump
10:47<maxb>Determine what the character in the db is and what it gets changed to in the dump. This will indicate what sort of unwanted conversion is going on
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10:55<ali3n0>maxb: double checked, every table has explicitly defined DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1; for every create table statement
10:56<Knight_Lord>What's IMAP mail client would you recommend?
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10:57<maxb>ali3n0: But that's not the only charset that matters
10:57<ali3n0>maxb: from my understanding that's the only charset defined in the dumpfile
10:58<maxb>things like connection charsets
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10:59<ali3n0>character_set_connection | latin1
10:59<ali3n0>as well as _client and _database
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11:00<maxb>Well, that's a start. I *still* think it's worth figuring out what the unwanted character translation going on is.
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11:00<zodiac>how are you doing ?
11:00<zodiac>i wanna hack today! :P
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11:00<zodiac>let's go!
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11:01<ali3n0>maxb: I'm trying to figure out how right now ;-)
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11:25<yusuo>hey im having trouble gettin audio going with video files
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11:25<dpkg>sound is, like, ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts> and <devdsp>. For sarge go to
11:25<yusuo>audio works in everything else, playing mp3, internet, even system sounds just not in audio
11:26<yusuo>not in video sorry
11:30<padski>yusuo, what video player ?
11:30<yusuo>padski all of them, vlc, totem etc all play video but no audio, however mp3 are fine through amarok and totem
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11:33<bcochofel>blist onli
11:33<yusuo>any ideas
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11:42<pinksock>Hello everyong
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12:04<rx7->hi all :)
12:05<sheldonh>it's amazing what you can do with 256MB of RAM
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12:07<padski>sheldonh, 256MB is a huge amount of memory. it never ceases to amaze me how easy it is to do practically nothing with it :-)
12:08<sheldonh>i was fine until i fired up my ruby-based blog
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12:12<sheldonh>thank god arrived. i totally can't spam-scan every message i get :)
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12:14<padski>sheldonh, .net ?
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12:38<Level2Tec>Does it matter what live cd I use if I want to setup a raid1 array
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12:51<the-dude>Level2Tec: yes one with modules for raid support
12:52<Aleric>Does anyone know if it's possible to interface with GoogleEarth more automatically? I want to add 700 locations... and it's almost impossible to do that manually by pasting the addresses into the 'Fly to' field, flying to it, clicking on 'add placemark' etc.
12:53<Aleric>What I need a commandline 'address --> coordinates' lookup.
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13:05<Level2Tec>Aleric you have to pay for that functionality...its kina expensive
13:06<Level2Tec>I recently input 80 dive sites manually because google wanted too much money
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13:08<Level2Tec>the-dude: which one has modules for raid support...I dont see any
13:09<the-dude>Level2Tec: I think most live cd's will have it
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13:09<the-dude>normal etch cd has support for it
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13:13<Level2Tec>the-dude: thanks
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13:20<VTommy_>hello guys i got a small question, i have a process runnign at 100% all the time it's called clamd
13:20<VTommy_>any can tell me what it's for?
13:20<Guest84>it seems one daemon , antivirus?
13:21<Guest84>have u asked google?
13:21<VTommy_>yeah found some post but no resolutions
13:21<VTommy_>what is clamd used for? antivirus?
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13:23<Guest84>4 entry in google: Clam AntiVirus 3 one: ..::CLAM::.. C++ Library for Audio and Music but i think its the daemon for the antivirus
13:23<Guest84>im not sure
13:23<Guest84>look at your packages instaled
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13:23<avu>VTommy_, it's the daemon part of clamav
13:23<Guest84>do one man
13:23<VTommy_>check yeah i see that :-) but i think i don't need it
13:23<VTommy_>i will remove it
13:24<VTommy_>i have installed kernel bigmem also just wondering if it's because of that that i'm having problems
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13:26<Aleric>Level2Tec: hikaru:~/database/verhuizing>./findLatLng "Nachtegaalstraat 55, 3581 AD, Utrecht"
13:26<Aleric>52.091709999999999 5.1313519999999997
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13:26*Aleric hacked it
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13:26<VTommy_>yeah it's because i installed bigmem
13:26<VTommy_>that i'm having this problem
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13:27<ceaal>hello, how do I set mouse sensitivity in XF86? I am currently using icewm
13:27<ceaal>Its a pentium with only 64 MB of ram, so I am using debian woody
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13:29<cahoot>try xset?
13:30<ceaal>cahoot: I am gonna try it
13:30<malademental>ceaal: i cannot help you, but i can say you congratulations for pentium with 65MB ram :p
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13:31<ceaal>we don't throw anything away here :)
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13:31<malademental>ceaal: same here ;)
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13:36<ceaal>cahoot: it worked! but will it be alredy setup next time i boot it?
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14:16<lisandr>привет всем
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14:43<Skarmeth>hi all
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14:44<Skarmeth>I am trying LTSP 5 with debian etch and I am having problems with VIA RHINE NIC. The boot process stop's on IP-Config phase...
14:44<Skarmeth>any problems with this NIC's?
14:44<Skarmeth>using a intel one works well, all my thin clients use via rhine nic's
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14:48<Simy>ok, now ive got a question... how can i tell if i had a hardware failure or if somthing else thats stupid is disabling my wifi card, im using a dell b130, just bought a new card, still wont show up in lspci or lshw, anything else i should check?
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14:48<gsimmons>Skarmeth: You might want to try asking in #ltsp on, or on the ltsp-discuss mailing list.
14:49<lisandr>hi all
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14:50<Simy>hello lisandr
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14:51<lisandr>Do you speak russia?
14:51<Simy>no i dont speak russian
14:51<Simy>i can barley speak english lisandr
14:51<Guest95>no i dont speak russian
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14:52<Guest95>soy nuevo en linux como configuro la impresora
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14:53<lisandr>I am bad speak english, but I can not many speak on english
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14:55<lisandr>кто нибудь тут говорит по русски?
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14:58<Simy>lisandr: ?? ?????? ???????????? ??????????? ????????? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ??? ?????? ??? ????, ?????? ???, ????????? ? ???? ?????????? ????, ??????????? widley - ???????????? ???? ? ???? ??????, ??? ??????????, ? ? ?????? ????, ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ??????????, ? ?????????
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14:59<dpkg>methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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14:59<Simy>ahha sworoc :) a russian channel -- was unaware of that
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15:00<Simy>lisandr: ????????!
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15:29<lasermike026>i have a question about ipv6
15:29<Simy>hi lasermike026
15:29<Simy>why not just ask and cross your fingers lasermike026?
15:30<lasermike026>i notice when i do a netstat -an that some network connections are listed as ipv6. i haven't configured ipv6. why is that?
15:30<path>because those connections are on ipv6?
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15:32<lasermike026>but there is no ipv6 interface configured.
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15:36<drokmed>hi all
15:37<wayneward>just trying kontact experimental - all separate modules load IE kmail but kontact is loading but not loading kmail and korganiser inside it any fixes??..
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15:40<hazard3>Does anyone know of a program to give you a nice reading of what a serial port is configured for? (IE baudrate?)
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15:44<dondelelcaro>hazard3: setserial
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15:51<hazard3>dondelelcaro, yea, I have that, but it isn't clear how to get the status...
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16:22<nmmachado>The Debian 4.0 have Qemu?
16:23<gsimmons>!+info qemu etch
16:23<dpkg>qemu: (fast processor emulator), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.8.2-4etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 3589 kB, Installed size: 9804 kB
16:23<stroyan>nmmachado: Yes. In general you can look for packages at
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16:30<sahxo>how can i rotate my monitor 90 degree? is there a general solution? i googled but found only dead ends.
16:31<dondelelcaro>sahxo: xrandr
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16:31<sahxo>i tried that ;) it does not work. the rotate options are disabled.
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16:31<dondelelcaro>sahxo: then your videocard driver doesn't support rotation
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16:32<dondelelcaro>(or does it by some non-RandR method)
16:32<sahxo>oh ok. i thought that would be a common feature
16:32<dondelelcaro>it is, if you have a non-lame graphics chipset
16:32<sahxo>i have nvidia
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16:33<dondelelcaro>presumably the hardware can support it, but nvidia hasn't given anyone else the specs for their cards, so their drives are pretty sketchy... and their internal drivers aren't much better.
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16:34<sahxo>what alternatives are there?
16:34<sahxo>ati is even worse in my opinion
16:34<dondelelcaro>intel is the best, currently.
16:35<sahxo>ok good to know. thanks.
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16:35<Gathond>ati it getting better I think, after AMD bought them they have released most of the specifications I believe
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16:35<Gathond>so the OSS driver should have a chance at gettting up to speed how
16:39<sahxo>well i guess i am lucky. all applications i need the rotation for implement this feature ;)
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16:54<morbid>I use sid, and my kernel is 2.6.25-2-686... I can't find an appropriate NVIDIA binary package... you have any idea?
16:57<adema>use the one from nvidia website
16:57<adema>this is what i do it works fine for 2.6.24
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16:58<morbid>I am suggested a binary package called ""
16:59<morbid>but when I try to run it, I get error messages that it is not appropriate with my kernel, and couldn't find a suitiable one..
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17:12<Flakk>Hello people I have a problem with adobe flash payler. I am at etch. I try to install flashplugin-nonfree and the installation stops in a strange way, saying that there is a md5sum mismatch Any help?
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17:13<ali3n0>Flakk: clean the apt cache and try to reinstall it
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17:14<Flakk><ali3n0> sorry what do you mean by cleaning the apt cache? or simpler - what to type?
17:15<ali3n0>Flakk: apt-get clean
17:15<ali3n0>Flakk: man apt-get
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17:15<Flakk>ok trying
17:16<Flakk>ali3n0> exactly the same result : Download done. md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz The Flash plugin is NOT installed
17:16<Flakk>and indeed it is NOT installed
17:16<simonrvn>old known bug. see bts.
17:17<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges .
17:17<ali3n0>Flakk: try to download the installer from adobe site. Now I'm gonna sleep, catch ya guys
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17:17<Flakk><simonrvn> you say it is known? can one deal with it?
17:18<Flakk>I would really need the flash
17:18<Flakk>(I am not at sid or lenny, I am at the stable version)
17:18<dondelelcaro>Flakk: get a backport of gnash; you'll be happier with it.
17:18<chealer_>Flakk: which version are you trying to install?
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17:19<simonrvn>listen to them ^^^
17:19<Flakk>I am just doing apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
17:19<chealer>Flakk: which version is apt trying to install?
17:19<Flakk> install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
17:19<chealer>Flakk: avoid Adobe's installer and gnash
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17:20<streuner>well, flashplugin-nonfree used plenty of CPU power
17:20<streuner>but it just work
17:20<Flakk>chealer: i did not even try the adobe installer. I did apt-cache search flash
17:20<Flakk>it told me flashplugin-nonfree
17:20<dondelelcaro>gnash actually works quite well; you'll need a backport to get it.
17:21<Flakk>i said apt-get flashplugin-nonfree
17:21<Flakk>and got the problem
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17:21<streuner>Flakk: listen to dondelelcaro then, i have no experience with gnash...
17:21<chealer>Flakk: yeah, it's just that ali3n0 told you to try that
17:21<simonrvn>E: Invalid operation flashplugin-nonfree
17:21<Huali>i need help with debian etch
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17:21<simonrvn>!tell Huali -about ask
17:21<Huali>someone knows how can i install php4-rrdtool in debian etch?
17:21<dondelelcaro>(it doesn't do everything exactly correctly, but it does do the major things with flash)
17:22<Huali>cause i couldn´t find it in the repositories
17:23<Flakk>some time ago I installed flash without any problem, it is strange that it spoiled suddenly. Do you think it is a temporey problem? or it will persist?
17:24<Flakk>about gnash: should I just apt-cache search gnash?
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17:25<chealer>Flakk: which version is apt trying to install?
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17:25<Huali>i have a problem with php4-rrdtool; i´m running debian etch. I couldn´t find it in the repositories, and need it for a webbased mrtg config file administrator
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17:25<Flakk>chealer:flashplugin-nonfree (
17:26<Flakk>chealer: you mean this is a new bug coming ewith the new version?
17:26<chealer>Flakk: did you update your packages index recently?
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17:27<Flakk>chealer: I am installing etch today on a new hard disk, so i updated nothing, everything is just beginning
17:28<chealer>Flakk: hum. please provide $ apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree;'s output
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17:29<simonrvn>Huali: do you really need to run php4?
17:29<dongle>have somebody succesfuly smartctl on debian sarge installed (software RAID 1 with 2x500GB Seagate) ???
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17:31<Flakk>chealer: apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree flashplugin-nonfree: Installed: Candidate: Version table:*** 0 500 cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20070407-11:40] etch/contrib Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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17:31<chealer>simonrvn: do you mean rrdtool is available for php5?
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17:33<simonrvn>i don't find either actually... and i'm tracking backports on that box.
17:35<chealer>Flakk: hum, I see. that disk is somehow outdated. the flashplugin-nonfree package on that disk is broken. you need to install the version available from etch-backports
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17:35<chealer>!adobe flash
17:35<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see; use the one from (ask me about <non-free> and <bpo>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see
17:36<Flakk>chealer: OK. should I include etch-nacports to the sources. list?
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17:36<chealer>Flakk: yes. the wiki page should explain that.
17:37<Flakk>chealer: thanks. trying
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17:41<Flakk>chealer: I have a question. Indeed in my sources.list there is the CDrom. If I comment it out (just for this installation) maybe etch will get the non-broken version from the non-free archive? (i have had a look at backports system, and it seems complicated to me, I would prefer to avoid it if possible)
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17:42<chealer>Flakk: no, it won't. it's not complicated. you should be able to modify your sources in less than 10 minutes
17:43<Huali>simonrvn: no, maybe i could run php5
17:43<simonrvn>i don't see a php-rrd-tool for either of those.
17:43<Huali>simonrvn: but de package isn´t either in php5
17:44<Flakk>chealer: adding backports to sources is no problem, but wiki asks to do plenty of other things for example: "Edit /etc/apt/preferences or create it. An example of /etc/apt/preferences :... etc"
17:44<Flakk>If you say it is not necessary, and just adding the backports to the sources list will do it s ok
17:44<Huali>in Sarge it existed
17:45<Huali>but in etch it´s not
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17:48<chealer>Flakk: hum. I believe you can ignore the preferences/pinning part
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17:50<Flakk>chealer: seems to work, I will reboot to check it
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18:01<Flakk>chealer: thanks, it worked. Also I commented out the Cdrom, so it did not ask for it while installing. Strange as it seems but it did not help me with the problem which I had but the Flash is here
18:01<witte>hello, should i go for grub or grub2?
18:01<witte>on a plain amd64 sid install
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18:12<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
18:12<venomouskb>well, if you don't need any special configuration, i think that grub is nice for the moment
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18:27<variable>why when i turn on pc and login there is no sound, so i have to reconfig it again and again
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18:29<twb>variable: because you have not installed/enabled the alsa script that restores mixer levels, or because you are not shutting down properly (thereby not SAVING the mixer levels for said script), or because when that script runs, the kernel module that creates the mixer is not inserted.
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18:30<variable>ok so where shuld i check for that script?
18:31<twb>alsa-utils: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
18:32<venomouskb>you should have a link in /etc/rc2.d to /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
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18:48<witte>venomouskb: sorry, missed your answer on grub earlier, i decided to try grub 2, as it seems that the plan it for the next debian release...
18:49<witte>venomouskb: I will now if it was a good choice tomorrow when I boot my pc again :-)
18:50<variable>hmm so how should create that link /etc/rc2.d/ to /etc/init.d/alsa-utils?
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18:51<variable>should I first reconfigure alsa
18:51<venomouskb>is a good choice, but for the moment i think that grub2 just give more options for special configurations
18:51<variable>and then creat that link?
18:52<venomouskb>mhhh...... if you have alsa well configured now, just create the link
18:52<variable>I reinstalled same kernel and from the grub list gone win xp choise
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18:53<venomouskb>/etc/init.d/ is the folder for all init scripts, and then you have a link in each rc?.d folder for the daemons you want to start on startup in each level
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18:54<witte>variable: you have to read the /boot/grub/menu.lst file, there are ways to keep that windows input...
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18:58<variable>what runlevel gives me?
18:58<variable>it just prints N 2
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18:59<venomouskb>default runleve is 2
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19:00<variable>so what it tells me?
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19:01<venomouskb>¿? when you start normally, you are in runlevel 2, you have to do the link in /etc/rc2.d/
19:04<variable>from where?
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19:07<venomouskb>from /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
19:07<variable>oh, sorry please remember me what is rc2.d for?
19:08<witte>variable: if you want to update the links you probably want update-rc.d
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19:09<venomouskb>you have the folder /etc/init.d/ where are all the scripts, and then in each rc?.d you have a link to a file in /etc/init.d/ for each daemon you want to run at startup in each runlevel
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19:10<variable>i have rc2.d
19:10<venomouskb>the ? is just the number of the runlevel
19:10<venomouskb>for runlevel 2, the folder is rc2.d
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19:11<venomouskb>for runleven 3, rc3,d
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19:12<panagos>is there a way to recover rar passwords under linux?
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19:13<Laeborg>my sound doesn't worked. It worked until i runned alsaconf, and now there isn't no sound at all.
19:13<Laeborg>i have tried to run a new alsaconf and select the first soundcard, but it didn't worked
19:13<variable>so after reboot it doesn't work?
19:13<Laeborg>no :/
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19:15<Laeborg>i had troubles before I runned the alsaconf. I could only use the sound in one program at same time. My mIRC says 'dong' when people highlighted me, but not if VLC player was running.
19:17<Laeborg>and I had no sound in Iceweasel
19:18<panagos>Laeborg: you mean that sound workd under windows?
19:19<panagos>Laeborg: try lspci to find your sound device
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19:23<Laeborg>panagos: all the sound worked in windows, atm i am running mIRC via WINE, and at the time where my sound worked, there was a 'dong'-sound, but not if VLC player was running
19:23<pinksock>any recommendations for partitioning a new install ...I will be creating a raid1 mirror after installation
19:23<faust>Hi there! How can I get the funambol plugin for thunderbird to work with icedove?
19:24<Laeborg>panagos: - The output of lspci
19:24<venomouskb>for something simple and usefull one swap, one partition for / and one for /home
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19:25<panagos>Laeborg: sure the sound was not from the speaker?
19:25<Laeborg>yeah 100%
19:25<witte>pinksock: you could add to the things venomouskb said a separate /var partition
19:25<Laeborg>the problem now: theres no sound at all. No sound in VLC player, no sound in iceweasel (theres never been) ect.
19:26<witte>pinksock: sizes depend on the available disks you have, and what you plan to do with that :-)
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19:28<panagos>Laeborg: "04:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)" i guess this is your sound device? (line 28)
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19:28<Laeborg>yeah one of them
19:28<Laeborg>thats the onboard one, that I want to use
19:28<wesmokedit>:P i ju st felt like smiling
19:29<panagos>Laeborg: have a look at
19:29<wesmokedit>anyone know how to disable fsck in debian gedit /etc/fstab ?
19:29<faust>wesmokedit: replace the numbers at the end with 0
19:30<wesmokedit>thanks faust
19:30<wesmokedit>stinkin old hardrive is junk heh
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19:30<panagos>Laeborg: it's weird that mirc under wine has sound though...
19:30<wesmokedit>defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
19:30<wesmokedit>im assuming change the 1 to 0
19:31<faust>but with old hw, fsck sounds like a good idea...
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19:32<panagos>Laeborg: try alsamixer, who knows :) also try playing some mp3 with play (/usr/bin/play)
19:32<Laeborg>panagos: theres no sound i mIRC any more
19:33<witte>Laeborg: why do you use mirc on linux? and sound in wine is not the way to test things
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19:34<panagos>Laeborg: maybe the appropriate kernel module is not loaded? (you can check that with lsmod)
19:34<Laeborg>witte: i have used the standard mIRC client since an age of 12, and in my head xchat, kvirc ect. looks very ugly
19:34<Laeborg>and I don't use mIRC via WINE to test the sound
19:34<Laeborg>there was some sound until I runned 'alsaconf' and now there is no sounds at all
19:35<faust>hmm - I guess noone is here who uses funambol with icedove?
19:35<faust>if there's someone, please tell me :)
19:35<Laeborg>Status: Not working but support is possible (works in pclinuxos) - well i guess I can't ise my onboard soundcard
19:35<venomouskb>mhhh. tray sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base
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19:37<Laeborg>done, no output, respons or anythings
19:37<panagos>Laeborg: from that webpage it seems the correct module is snd-hda-intel, check if that is loaded (might be snd_hda_intel in lsmod's output)
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19:37<Laeborg>panagos: for the VIA sound device?
19:38<panagos>Laeborg: yes
19:38<Laeborg> - It seems like that kernel isn't supported
19:39<panagos>Laeborg: maybe paste lsmod's output? :)
19:39<Laeborg>Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10) - thats the sound device I have
19:39<Laeborg>okay 2 secs
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19:40<SaintK>Hi, i have a JMicron JMB363 SATA/RAID controller chip on my motherboard (Asus Maximus Formula), which is a pretty common chip. When i try to install Debian Etch on my machine, using the latest netinstall ISO from, i am unable to get the setup to detect my harddisk. I have asked about this here last night aswell, and tried several things. First confirmed its using kernel 2.6.18-5AMD64,
19:41<panagos>Laeborg: btw, are you using stable? and what kernel version? maybe your sound device works under a newer kernel...
19:41<witte>SaintK: how new is your board? less than a year?
19:41<Laeborg>i use etch
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19:42<SaintK>After this, i tried stuff such as 'install noapic nolapic irq-poll generic.ide=1 (last command i don't know exactly by head). With this it tried to poll all sata connections it seems, and i saw my hdd comming by, but the setup itself stalls then on scanning the disk and loading drivers
19:42<SaintK>witte: Yes, its more then a year ago when it first got released
19:42<Laeborg>how can I see the kernel version?
19:42<panagos>Laeborg: maybe your sound device is too new for etch, i don't know
19:42<panagos>Laeborg: uname -a
19:42<witte>SaintK: in any case, you could try the netinstall with a newer kernel
19:43<witte>tell SaintK about kmuto
19:43<Laeborg>Linux laeborg-serv 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Thu May 8 07:34:27 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
19:43<witte>!tell SaintK about kmuto
19:43<panagos>Laeborg: (or uname -r just for the version)
19:43<witte>better :-)
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19:43<witte>Laeborg: newer kernels are in backports
19:43<witte>!tell Laeborg about backports
19:44<SaintK>witte: thanks, i think i should be using; etch-custom-0720.iso - kernel 2.6.21 version as 1st release ... , correct?
19:44<Laeborg>well the VIA soundcard is onboard on my ASUS motherboard
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19:44<panagos>Laeborg: e.g., i once had a sound card that wouldn't work under 2.4, but it worked with 2.6
19:45<Laeborg>hmm i didn't understand much of that, witte
19:45<witte>SaintK: you have amd64? use the one with 2.6.24
19:45<dpkg>somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
19:45<SaintK>well, i want the 64bit version as i have more then 3GB ram, so i think i need to use AMD64 (got a C2D E6600)
19:46<Laeborg>panagos: can I upgrade the kernel ?
19:46<witte>Laeborg: you go to, and read the instructions
19:46<panagos>Laeborg: generally packages from stable don't get feature updates, so if you need a new feature (such as support for a newer pci card) you might need backports
19:47<variable>what is defference between hard and symbolic link?
19:47<Laeborg>as you guys have seen, i am pretty much a newb to unix, but i really want to use it
19:47<panagos>Laeborg: you edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file, adding the backports repos, etc
19:47<panagos>Laeborg: you could consider using testing... :P
19:48<SaintK>witte: thanks for your help, i am out of blank CD's, so i'm going to try it tomorrow :)
19:48<witte>SaintK: i don't think you need amd64 for that, this is cpu dependent, but if you have a 64-bit cpu, you could use amd64. The 0215.iso
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19:48<SaintK>witte: Thanks!
19:48<witte>SaintK: rewritables are the answer
19:49<SaintK>witte: CD's should be fased out by now tbh, USB sticks 4tw
19:49<SaintK>witte: I just haven't figured out yet how to make the USB stick bootable with an Linux install ISO :)
19:49<witte>SaintK: you can put those iso's on a usb stick i think
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19:50<Laeborg>i am off for a moment. I will try to install that backports
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19:50<SaintK>witte: Do you know which tool could be used for that? Because i have failed in finding one (i'm guessing that the ISO needs to be extracted on the disk a special way, i can't just make a fat file system on it and put the files there)
19:50<panagos>Laeborg: a good idea would be to find some recent livecd with recent drivers, and see if your sound device works with that
19:51<SaintK>witte: Cheers mate! Going to give it a try!
19:51<panagos>Laeborg: maybe you have a hardware problem, and it would be a pity to get into the fuss of upgrading from backports if that's the case
19:51<Laeborg>okay, where can I find the lastest livecd ?
19:51<witte>SaintK: that was just the first link i found, maybe it is not the correct one, but there should be links i guess
19:52<SaintK>witte: Ah ok, because i was already reading, and figured that ain't going to work, because i am currently on a windows install :P
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19:52<SaintK>witte: I have found tons of links how to install a OS on a USB stick, but none working way's yet for booting up an install CD from a USB stick
19:53<lucas_amorim>hello! what is the most used web designer in debian? (looking for apps like Frontpage or NVU)
19:53<lucas_amorim>does mozilla suite have any web page designer?
19:53<dendrite>lucas_amorim: VIM!!!!!
19:54<panagos>Laeborg: a good choice would be knoppix (, but to be honest, i don't know much about the latest live cds... :|
19:54<timofeji>mm..emacs ?
19:54<dendrite>!start an editor war
19:54<dpkg>ae bites
19:54<venomouskb>lucas_amorin try quanta+
19:54<lucas_amorim>dendrite: I am not talking about code editing, I would use vim for that
19:55<venomouskb>or simply...... kate :p
19:55<dendrite>lucas_amorim: I've used quanta before, it's not bad...
19:55<panagos>Laeborg: in general, find a livecd with a kernel as recent as possible, to see if that will pick up your sound device
19:55<dendrite>But vim is better.
19:55<xelnaga>SaintK, this works:
19:55<lucas_amorim>isn't there any WYSIWYG???
19:55<xelnaga>SaintK, using
19:55<ant_>lucas_amorin you could also try bluefish... looks similar to frontpage
19:56<lucas_amorim>dendrite: quanta is a WYSIWYG?
19:56<dendrite>lucas_amorim: Yeah
19:56<SaintK>ok, i am going to save this for later, and buy some CD's tomorrow, as i first need a working Linux install to do that :D
19:56<lucas_amorim>ant_ thanks
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19:56<lucas_amorim>dendrite: oh fine then!
19:56<lucas_amorim>gonna try both, thank you guys
19:56<witte>lucas_amorim: there are plenty of those, bluefish is also one i think,
19:56<lucas_amorim>thnals :)
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19:59<SaintK>Thanks for the help guy's, good night!
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20:05<variable>I made a link to all rc levels but stil there is no sound
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20:06<witte>variable: you only run one runlevel at the time, there is no use linking to all
20:06<variable>ok so this will not change to enything bat
20:07<variable>but why there is not the sound?
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20:07<witte>tell me the problem again, which card?
20:07<variable>some via ...
20:08<variable>via82xx VIA Technologies
20:08<panagos>Laeborg: also take a look at
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20:09<witte>variable: lspci -n, and then go to
20:11<faust>OK, found out about funambol - ldconfig did the trick - good night everyone!
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20:20<hachi> /var/lib/xend/state/network.xml is produced by what action? I assume the stopping of xend at shutdown time, but my files are getting corrupted and I don't want it to save state
20:20<hachi>so how do you disable that?
20:21<hachi>I'd rather be debugging the corruption without having it restore the corruption at boot time
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20:24<dendrite>hachi: Not sure. What files are getting damaged?
20:24<hachi>it's not the file getting corrupted
20:24<hachi>it's the state of the machine
20:25<hachi>so then when I reboot the machine
20:25<dendrite>state of the domU or dom0 ?
20:25<hachi>what does that matter?
20:25<hachi>I think you're trying to help me diagnose a problem that I may not understand
20:25<hachi>I know what the problem is
20:25<dendrite>hachi: Well, if e.g., a domU is getting hosed, then I'd suspect the save-to-disk code.
20:25<hachi>I'm trying to get this state saving thing to get out of my way
20:26<hachi>well, I know that /var/lib/xend/state has nothing to do with the domu state saving
20:26<hachi>those are kept elsewhere
20:26<dendrite>hachi: If you xm shutdown all domU's is that file created?
20:27<hachi>you're helping me to debug a problem I'm not concerned with... those files are created by the dom0 shutdown process somehow
20:27<hachi>I assume /etc/init.d/xend implicitly does it
20:27<dendrite>hachi: And really, I'm just hoping my discussing it with you will help. I don't have any Xen machines within easy ssh at the moment.
20:27<hachi>I'm trying to find the config to disable it
20:28<dendrite>hachi: In debian, that will be in /etc/xen/
20:28<dendrite>If it is configurable so easily. I don't recall seeing that option in the config files.
20:28<hachi>triple-checked /etc/xen/xend-config.sxp already
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20:28<hachi>also checked /etc/default/xendomains, for good measure
20:29<dendrite>hachi: Not sure if the xenstored configs are ... relevant. Or easily tweaked.
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20:29<dendrite>hachi: There is a tool to inspect and change xenstore settings...
20:30<hachi>I don't have any domU running now, and it's still happening
20:30<hachi>my box is gaining a bridge called 'tmpbridge', which is derived from failures in the xend startup stuff
20:31<hachi>but when I reboot, I have two problems then because it saved state and starts up a tmpbridge again
20:31<hachi>makes it impossible to tell if I've fixed the problemthat is creating the original
20:31<dendrite>hachi: While I've found that deleting bridges can be.. destabilizing, it may be that just manually removing that bridge will help?
20:32<hachi>what do you mean? I'm rebooting in between these attempts
20:32<hachi>'destabilizing' whatever... doesn't matter
20:32<dendrite>Can you use brctl to zap the bridge?
20:32<hachi>sure, for one boot cycle
20:32<hachi>I'd rather fix the problem
20:32<dendrite>brctl to zap the bridge, bring up a domU, reboot...
20:33<hachi>forget I asked
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20:40<hachi> * Non-maintainer upload to fix the fix for the fix for #422586
20:40<hachi>now that's a gem of a changelog entry
20:41<dendrite>hachi: You have an IP alias on the peth?
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20:42<hachi>I do, but only because it gets saved that way
20:42<hachi>I don't want it that way
20:42<dendrite>hachi: You see this:
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20:42<hachi>but the bridge doesn't even touch the peth
20:44<dendrite>hachi: And this: <-- includes a patch to the network-bridge script.
20:45<hachi>the corruption is derived from the fact that I'm not using the normal network-bridge script
20:45<hachi>it doesn't work in my setup
20:46<hachi>so I wrote my own, but it's not precisely correct
20:46<hachi>I'm trying to debug it so it is
20:46<hachi>but the machine saves state badly
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20:47<dendrite>Heh. OK. I guess you need to grab the source to the xen hypervisor and/or start grepping around in the scripts.
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20:48<hachi>come on
20:48<hachi>I can't even install devscripts without it chasing shit down
20:48<hachi>I don't want to install citadel, it's unrelated to my problem
20:48<Silent>Hey all, i'm having a bit of trouble installing Debian on my old computer. After I put the CD inside, it just sits there. I wait, and it goes to a black screen, with text scrolling. after it looks like it's done, it goes to an empty black screen, and it won't do anything at all. Any ideas why it isn't working?
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20:49<witte>Silent: how old (how much memory)
20:49<Silent>128 mb of RAM.
20:49<Silent>20 GB HDD.
20:50<witte>ok, that should be quite enough
20:50<witte>it is not *that* old :P
20:50<panagos>Silent: maybe it entered X with an incompatible mode? try ctrl+alt+f1
20:50<Silent>I pressed Enter once it's on the screen with the Debian logo etc, and it starts loading.
20:50<witte>panagos: from install?
20:50<Silent>Hmm? Press Ctrl + Alt + F1 before pressing Enter? Or while it's "installing" ?
20:51<panagos>Silent: did you choose the gui installer?
20:51<Silent>Uhhhh...I'm not sure...I just downloaded CD-1 with UTorrent.
20:52<Silent>And it doesn't give me options, I just read to press enter to start the installer.
20:52<hachi>in aptitude how do you search for a literal package name?
20:52<hachi>I want to find 'at'
20:52<hachi>but of course, the string 'at' is in a billion other package names
20:52<hachi>ahh regex
20:52<panagos>Silent: when you first enter the live cd, you get a prompt before booting, to choose the installation method. i think pressing enter just starts the text installer
20:53<panagos>hachi: '^at$'
20:53<Silent>So instead of pressing enter, i should press Ctrl alt f1?
20:53<witte>hachi: in apt-cache, i would do apt-cache search at|grep ^at
20:53<hachi>you have to use aptitude to find out why things are happening
20:53<panagos>Silent: no no, i mean, if you had chosen the gui installer, but X had failed, *then* you could press ctrl+alt+f1
20:53<hachi>so apt-cache doesn't help
20:54<hachi>or else I have to use grep-dctrl to search things
20:54<hachi>and that's a good way to make a person angry
20:54<panagos>hachi: you can also do aptitude search regex
20:54<hachi>taht's what I said
20:54<hachi>'ahh regex'
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20:54<hachi>it doesn't say this in the box in the curses interface
20:55<Silent>Well, after it starts working and installing things, it just goes to a black screen and sits there.
20:55<panagos>Silent: this is weird...
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20:56<Silent>I'll try and see what it loads before it stops.
20:56<witte>Silent: it is not a 640*480 monitor?
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20:56<Silent>It IS a 640x480 moniter.
20:56<witte>although even that should work
20:56<witte>do you have a bigger one just to test?
20:57<witte>the one you are now looking at :-)
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20:57<Silent>i'm gonna go press enter a few times and see if I see the computers cylinder sign (performance thing) blink at all
20:57<panagos>Silent: at boot, there is the vga=... kernel parameter
20:57<Silent>next to the power
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20:58<Silent>Panagos, how would I do what you said?
20:59<panagos>Silent: when you first enter the cd, before you press enter, you type instead install vga=..., where ... is the special code for the resolution and color depth you want for the console
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21:00<Silent>So, what exactly do I type though? Something in place of the ...? or just install vga=...
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21:00<panagos>Silent: for instance, you type "install vga=0x312"
21:01<panagos>Silent: if you press F1, you can see alternatives to the "install" parameter (e.g. install-gui is the gui installer)
21:02<Silent>Ahh, I see once I press F1.
21:02<variable>somthing odd is going on with that alsa. On booting it writes that ALSA settings is done but when i loging in there still need to do alsaconf
21:02<variable>so what is the problem
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21:03<panagos>Silent: try different values to the vga parameter from (the third table)
21:04<Silent>Panagos: It's working!! :D If I have more problems i'll ask you again ^-^
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21:05<panagos>Silent: glad to have helped :)
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21:06<Silent>LOL. I spoke to soon, "There was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM", etc etc...and it's asking to retry but retry doesn't do anything :(
21:06<Silent>Did I burn my CD to fast? Or did my CD-rom just bite the dust? X_X
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21:06<panagos>Silent: ............ maybe there is a problem with the cd-rom, or the drive...
21:06<GrandAdmiralBarbaroxa>hi, can you repeat the subject so that i might help you.
21:07<lufthanza>where do the sources downloaded by apt-get source download to?
21:07<pinksock>how do I define a root file system
21:07<dendrite>lufthanza: Current directory.
21:07<panagos>Silent: if you burned your cd at too high a speed, and tried to read it from an "old" drive, that might be a problem
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21:07<Silent>Yea, i'm gonna try and burn at 4x.
21:08<dendrite>pandaren: Your question is too vague.
21:08<lufthanza>ah I see, I just downloaded it to a weird directory
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21:08<lufthanza>finally, how do I patch the orig.tar.gz with the diff.gz?
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21:10<panagos>lufthanza: i think it is dpatch
21:10<pandaren>dendrite, ??
21:11<dendrite>pandaren: Sorry, that was meant for pinksock ...
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21:11<dendrite>pinksock: Your question is too vague.
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21:12<witte>nickname completion is nice, but it has its disadvantages :-)
21:12<dendrite>Darn tab completion... Why can't it read my mind??? (Unexpected EOF)
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21:13<lufthanza_>did anyone answer my question?
21:14<lufthanza_>"finally, how do I patch the orig.tar.gz with the diff.gz?"
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21:14<panagos>lufthanza: i think it is dpatch
21:14<lufthanza_>panagos: thanks much
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21:35<swimnmaniac>i need some help completely un installing deluge
21:35<swimnmaniac>before i install from svn
21:35<swimnmaniac>how do i go about doing this?
21:36<swimnmaniac>or i would like to update ktorrent....i did apt-get install ktorrent.....but i did not get the newest version
21:37<pinksock>anyone familiar with software raid in debian...I have a specific question
21:37<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
21:38<pinksock>when I enter "mount /dev/md5 /mnt/md5" I get an error "mount" you must specify the filesystem type"
21:39<pinksock>this command worked without error when I used md0
21:39<panagos>pinksock: what does "file -s /dev/md5" output?
21:42<pinksock>panagos: the output is /dev/md5: data
21:43<panagos>pinksock: i don't know much about software raid, but i think that you must first join all /dev/md* partitions together, and then mount the virtual disks that will appear
21:43<pinksock>panagos: that same command output for /dev/md0 is /dev/md0: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery)
21:44<pinksock>panagos: I see, I thought that was what Im doing, but Ill go back and double check
21:44<swimnmaniac>i am trying to get my icons on the top right to open up programs
21:44<swimnmaniac>can anyone help me make one so i can click on it and it opens ktorrent?
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21:46<panagos>swimnmaniac: from the k-menu, go to ktorrent, right-click and create a desktop shortcut, if i understand what you want to do :)
21:46<swimnmaniac>well i am currently on my seedbox via vnc
21:47<swimnmaniac>and it is gnome
21:47<swimnmaniac>but im still using ktorrent
21:47<swimnmaniac>i need to get rid of deluge completely before i install it again
21:48<panagos>swimnmaniac: you might want apt-get purge, but i suggest you read the debian manual first
21:48<swimnmaniac>apt-get purge deluge?
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21:48<panagos>swimnmaniac: i think the package's name is deluge-torrent :)
21:49<swimnmaniac>yes you are correct
21:49<swimnmaniac>i was just being lazy
21:49<Silent> Thanks for all the help everyone, I re-burned my disk at 4x speed & it's looking good.
21:49<panagos>swimnmaniac: purge generally means "uninstall and remove all debian configuration files"
21:49<Silent>Goodbye & goodluck everyone!
21:49<swimnmaniac>thanks for the advice
21:49<swimnmaniac>im very new to debian
21:50<panagos>swimnmaniac: you should read the debian manual then :)
21:50<Silent>me too ;x I burned it at 48x, and what a surprise (tons of errors), then I re-burned it at 4x, and it worked! :D
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21:50<pinksock>panagos: I didnt create the filesystem on those partitions...duh
21:50<panagos>swimnmaniac: also consider installing non-debian packages under /usr/local/ or /opt/, but not directly under /usr/
21:50<swimnmaniac>panagos: it says unknown command purge
21:51<Silent>Also, i'm using these pitch black disks, maybe it's so old it can't read dark disks (wtf it's racist?!?!) re-burned on a normal disk x] bye all
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21:51<panagos>swimnmaniac: apt-get purge
21:51<swimnmaniac>invalid operation
21:52<panagos>swimnmaniac: well, to be honest, i rarely use apt-get directly, mostly use aptitude... :D
21:52<swimnmaniac>yeah i have heard of that
21:52<panagos>swimnmaniac: in aptitude, you'd press _ instead of - to purge
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21:53<swimnmaniac>how do i update ktorrent?
21:54<panagos>swimnmaniac: also, if you want to complelety remove a package, you might want to delete any ~/.* files it created (e.g. ~/.deluge or something like that) - that is, user-specific configuration files
21:54<swimnmaniac>yeah i dont know how to do that
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21:56<panagos>swimnmaniac: check out the man pages, they usually state where user configuration is stored
21:57<panagos>swimnmaniac: e.g. if it is ~/.deluge, rm -rf ~/.deluge
21:57<panagos>swimnmaniac: or move it to a trash bin or whatever
21:57<swimnmaniac>now ktorrent wont even open
21:58<swimnmaniac>says it might have crashed or something
21:58<swimnmaniac>i just had it opened
21:58<panagos>swimnmaniac: you got ktorrent from the svn?
21:58<swimnmaniac>all i did was apt-get install ktorrent
21:58<swimnmaniac>and its not the newest one
21:59<swimnmaniac>for some reason
21:59<panagos>swimnmaniac: do you use stable?
21:59<swimnmaniac>yes the stable debian release
21:59<panagos>swimnmaniac: well, the stable release doesn't have the newest versions...
22:00<panagos>swimnmaniac: you might want to consider testing :)
22:00<witte>swimnmaniac: the stable version is stable, because, well it does not change, as it uses stable programs
22:00<panagos>swimnmaniac: or backports, though i don't know much about that
22:00<witte>swimnmaniac: what is wrong with the program in etch (did not really follow it all)
22:00<panagos>swimnmaniac: you might want to take a look at
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22:01<swimnmaniac>lets see here
22:01<swimnmaniac>how can i manually install the latest version
22:02<swimnmaniac>of ktorrent that is
22:02<panagos>swimnmaniac: you mean from svn?
22:02<dendrite>swimnmaniac: Maybe /msg dpkg ssb
22:02<witte>swimnmaniac: why do you need the latest version?
22:02<swimnmaniac>bc it has some plugins and stuff that the version im using doesnt have
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22:02<swimnmaniac>webui in particular
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22:04<swimnmaniac>any suggestions?
22:04<panagos>swimnmaniac: if you want a torrent client with a web interface, there are clients more geared towards that
22:04<swimnmaniac>utorrent and wine arent working right
22:04<witte>swimnmaniac: the version in etch does not support that, and it is not in backports
22:04<swimnmaniac>i just wanna completely remove deluge and install again or update ktorrent
22:05<witte>swimnmaniac: there are other clients ("apt-cache search torrent" to find them), but i don't know any of them
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22:05<witte>swimnmaniac: alternatively, you can upgrade to testing...
22:05<swimnmaniac>this is on my seedbox
22:06<swimnmaniac>i cant upgrade my os
22:06<panagos>swimnmaniac: or aptitude search '~dtorrent ~dweb'
22:06<swimnmaniac>aptitude search?
22:06<hachi>how can I get the svn checkout path for fakechroot?
22:06<hachi>I've found this
22:07<hachi>but you can't checkout from it, nor if you change wsvn to be svn
22:07<hachi>alioth has the project listed as being in cvs
22:07<hachi>so I think that's wrong
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22:10<panagos>swimnmaniac: an idea is to get the source package from testing, compile and install, though you might have to upgrade dependencies too...
22:10<witte>panagos: thanks, don't know anything of torrents as those things are blocked by our university (which is indirectly my isp)
22:10<swimnmaniac>yeah im not sure if i can do all the correctly
22:11<witte>panagos: that would mean upgrading kde, not a light task
22:11<enouf>hachi: look svn://
22:11<enouf>hachi: from svn://
22:11<panagos>yeah, you're better off by upgrading to testing, i fear
22:11<enouf>hachi: from
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22:12<swimnmaniac>i cant even make launcher work properly
22:12<panagos>swimnmaniac: maybe try klik? i'm just saying...
22:12<swimnmaniac>what is the command to make ktorrent open up?
22:13<panagos>swimnmaniac: you mean via dcop?
22:13<swimnmaniac>i dont know what dcop is
22:13<swimnmaniac>but whatever is at the right corner of the screen
22:13<swimnmaniac>u can put 'launchers' there
22:13<enouf>hachi: you do have an svn client installed? i've used rapidsvn, but there's many (apt-cache search subversion)
22:13<swimnmaniac>i need to correct comand
22:13<panagos>swimnmaniac: ah, you mean the taskbar? you just click it
22:14<hachi>yeah, I'm using git svn
22:14<hachi>and svk and subversion
22:14<swimnmaniac>u have to add and icon or something
22:14<swimnmaniac>the laucher
22:14<hachi>roughly whatever workflow I feel like using at any given moment
22:14<swimnmaniac>i make one
22:14<swimnmaniac>and it wont boot ktorrent
22:14<swimnmaniac>i have to go into terminal and type it everytime
22:14<enouf>swimnmaniac: kdeinit ktorrent?
22:14<swimnmaniac>is that a command enouf?
22:15<panagos>swimnmaniac: you can just type ktorrent &
22:15<panagos>swimnmaniac: to start ktorrent
22:15<enouf>swimnmaniac: yes
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22:16<swimnmaniac>ktorrent & does nothing in the command space
22:16<panagos>swimnmaniac: erm, i don't think i get you...
22:16<swimnmaniac>just kdding
22:16<swimnmaniac>it works
22:16<enouf>swimnmaniac: try #debian-kde too (devel channel - not sure on here, but on, there's one), also just #kde .. but it's possible you've told kde to not "run in terminal" or similar settings somewhere, i guess in kcontrol
22:17<panagos>swimnmaniac: maybe also try dcop ktorrent KTorrent, a list of commands appears (of you have dcop running)
22:17<panagos>* if
22:17<swimnmaniac>yeah i dont know what that is
22:17<swimnmaniac>so its prob not
22:18<swimnmaniac>is there a deluge channel anywhere?
22:18<panagos>swimnmaniac: try dcop, and see what happens
22:18<panagos>yeah, even better :)
22:18<swimnmaniac>kdcop command not found
22:18<swimnmaniac>dcop displayed a few lines
22:19<panagos>swimnmaniac: dcop is a system bus, you can send commands to various connected processes (such as ktorrent e.g.)
22:20<panagos>swimnmaniac: though it seems to be somewhat limited for ktorrent from what i see...
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22:20<swimnmaniac>i need to completely remove deluge
22:21<swimnmaniac>or else im going to install from svn
22:21<swimnmaniac>and mess everything up
22:21<panagos>swimnmaniac: apt-get purge deluge-torrent deluge-torrent-common
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22:22<panagos>swimnmaniac: or the respective package names, don't know what they are in stable
22:22<swimnmaniac>invalid operation purge
22:22<swimnmaniac>this purge command still is not working
22:22<cwood>try apt-get remove --purge (etc)
22:24<swimnmaniac>apt-get remove --purge deluge-torrent is doing sometihng
22:24<swimnmaniac>haha :D
22:24<swimnmaniac>now am i safe to install from svn?
22:24<enouf>are the main field fonts HUGE here for you guys too?
22:25<witte>enouf: of the website? no that seems quite ok
22:26<enouf>do /msg dpkg apt howto , /msg dpkg referenece , /msg dpkg grounding
22:26<enouf>witte: ok, nm then, thanks
22:26<panagos>swimnmaniac: if you have apt-show-versions, use apt-show-versions packagename to see whether it's installed
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22:29<panagos>swimnmaniac: if you install something outside apt, don't install it under /usr, rather put it in /usr/local or /opt (usually tarballs install to /usr/local by default)
22:30<panagos>swimnmaniac: use ./configure --help (if the tarball uses ./configure)
22:31<panagos>swimnmaniac: actually testing has ktorrent version 2.2.9
22:32<panagos>* 2.2.6
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22:32<swimnmaniac>runtime error: could not display
22:32<swimnmaniac>what does that mean?
22:33<swimnmaniac>i need like version 3.0 or something
22:33<swimnmaniac>whatver is on the ktorrent site
22:34<panagos>swimnmaniac: the version in testing has the webui (version 2.2.6)
22:35<swimnmaniac>thats what i want
22:35<swimnmaniac>how do i upgrade my current version?
22:35<swimnmaniac>of ktorrent that is
22:36<swimnmaniac>there is no apt-get upgrade or anything?
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22:40<swimnmaniac>everyone leave?
22:40<enouf>swimnmaniac: do /msg dpkg apt howto , /msg dpkg referenece , /msg dpkg grounding
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22:41<enouf>gah, i misspelled 'reference'
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23:08<zepherin>normally I would just copy the folder over but the folder is bigger than the hole hard drive
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23:56<hachi>what creates the debian/control file? I've got fakechroot checked out from its source repo here, and I need to build it :\
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