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---Logopened Wed May 28 00:00:18 2008
00:00<hachi>wow, I doubt the package maintainer of this debian package I'm trying to build creates a new control file every time they want to build it
00:02<gnome>http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/
00:02<hachi>found it, the answer is 'yada'
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00:35<pinksock>man software raid is a pain to set up
00:35<pinksock>seems like something would have been developed to simply mirror the drives
00:35<pinksock>rediculous
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00:50<StevenX>If I use the "sleep" command and close the terminal, will it still execute? How about if I turn off the computer, but turn it back on before the sleep command is supposed to execute?
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00:55<pinksock>hola
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01:59<tor>Hi, i have some problems with sudo in a web application. I have a script that the www-data user executes with sudo. This have worked nicely up till now. I run this on a new platform, Debian Etch on PPC. And suddenly i get password requests in the web log. Running it on the command line as su www-data works nicely still though. Any thoughts?
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02:40<hachi>if I provide a package, do I need to conflict with that package as well? in typical usage
02:41<jaakko>hachi: Could you explain a little bit more? why would you need "confict" something?
02:41<hachi>cause I'm providing it
02:42<hachi>I dunno if saying Provides: foo, when foo is already installed, if it will cause it to be removed
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02:44<jm_>Provides is useful for meta packages
02:44<jaakko>hachi: you are wondering if all packages "are conflicting" with themselves? I don't think they are, aptitude just don't install same package twice.
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02:44<hachi>I'm making a package 'foo-hachi'
02:44<hachi>which is effectively a branch of foo, so I can get things done by fixing it myself
02:45<hachi>so, I'm pretty sure I say 'Provides: foo'
02:45<hachi>so that packages can still require foo
02:45<jm_>7.4 Virtual packages - Provides
02:45<jm_>read that
02:47<hachi> I'm asking because I don't grok it
02:47<hachi>there are enough clauses in that which I don't know if they apply
02:48<hachi>I don't think it even says
02:48<jm_>you obviously don't understand the concept of virtual packages and provides field
02:49<hachi>no, apparently I don't
02:49<hachi>thus why I asked a question
02:49<hachi>given the example there
02:49<jm_>what you are trying to do is not that - I think you simply need to make a package with the same name but your own, higher version to use your changed one
02:49<hachi>can bar and bar-plus be installed at the same time? or does the Provides:bar cause an implicit conflict?
02:50<weasel>why would it provide a conflict?
02:50<weasel>*think* about what provides means.
02:50<hachi>I don't think, I'm asking
02:50<hachi>if you loko back to my original question
02:50<weasel>then do apt-cache show vim | grep -i Prov
02:50<weasel>then *THINK*
02:50<weasel>and if you still don't get it, then I'm not sure what to think myself.
02:51<weasel>(not that the thought of only having a single editor isn't appealing, but ..)
02:51<hachi>editor is a bad example though
02:51<weasel>no, it's not.
02:51<hachi>if you want to know what I'm actually doing
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02:51<hachi>I'm trying to make a fork of fakechroot
02:52<weasel>it's a prime examply of what Provides is for.
02:52<hachi>except the docs which you plugged (in a roundabout way of plugging) already say things about concrete packages by the same name
02:52<hachi>which means you can do the same thing against a real package
02:53<hachi>the 'virtual package' only has to be from one point of view
02:53<hachi>and I happen to be trying to make fakechroot-hachi provide fakechroot, which happens to be a virtual package in this context
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02:54<jaakko>hachi: apt-cache show nano | grep -i Prov
02:54<jaakko>hachi: both packages provide editor, nano and vim, they are not conflicting as you see(?).
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02:55<hachi>but you can install both of them, right?
02:55<jaakko>hachi: yes.
02:55<hachi>and yet, the docs in 7.4 says '(or the conflict caused)', which means that in some case Provides: can cause a conflict to occur
02:55<weasel>no.
02:55<weasel>provides doesn't cause conflicts.
02:55<weasel>conflicts cause conflicts.
02:56<weasel>like when you all provide /usr/sbin/sendmail
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02:56<weasel>see postfix, sendmail, ssmtp, etc.
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02:56<hachi>ahh, okay
02:57<weasel>tho in your case you probably just want to divert crap
02:57<hachi>nope
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02:57<hachi>I just want to Provide and Conflict
02:58<weasel>that's now also broken.
02:58<weasel>you want to divert the files you have in common with the real fakechroot.
02:58<weasel>or you need to conflict/replace.
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02:59<hachi>could you please expand on 'that's now also broken.' ?
02:59<weasel>I did.
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03:00<hachi>if you're saying that Provides: fakechroot\nConflicts: fakechroot is a broken concept, then I'm looking for the working equivalent
03:01<weasel>http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html
03:01<weasel>7.3
03:01<hachi>Replaces: seems to imply supercession, which I don't want to imply
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03:01<weasel>ah, whatever
03:01<weasel>go read the fucking policy yourself
03:01<weasel>I'm sick of reading it to you
03:01<hachi>sorry for asking questions about clarity
03:01<weasel>it's not about clarity
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03:01<hachi>yes it is, you're claiming that I didn't read the policy
03:02<weasel>I'm pretty sure you didn't.
03:02<weasel>at least not properly
03:02<hachi>I'm claiming that I just don't quite get it
03:02<weasel>you don't get it by a long shot. not just don't quite not.
03:02<hachi>how precisely am I supposed to get out of my situation apart from asking questions?
03:02<weasel>anyway, I don't intent to waste more time here. read the policy. good luck.
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03:10<morgan`>hello
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04:19<twb>What's the magic work to get dpkg's apt-key oneliner?
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04:22<jm_>!!apt-key twb
04:22<jm_>!apt-key twb
04:22<dpkg>gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys twb ; gpg --export twb | sudo apt-key add -
04:22<jm_>that one?
04:22<twb>I bloody tried that!
04:22<twb>!apt-key
04:23<twb>Grr, that should say "shift: insufficient parameters" or something
04:23<jm_>!keys for apt
04:23<dpkg>keys for apt is, like, 'gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys <keyid> ; gpg --export <keyid> | sudo apt-key add -', where <keyid> is the id apt is complaining about
04:23<twb>Thanks, anyway
04:23<jm_>did you run apt-get update?
04:23<twb>I'm actually trying to trick debmirror into working.
04:25<twb>It (wrongly, IMO) looks at ~/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg
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04:50<twb>I found the trouble, the manual assumes I'm mirroring Debian not Ubuntu
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04:56<Woet>Could someone help me install 2 SSH servers besides eachother?
04:56<Woet>or run 2 besides eachother, which is what I want.
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04:56<tarzeau>Woet: you install openssh-server and dropbear, run one on another port?
04:57<Woet>dropbear?
04:57<tarzeau>yes
04:57<tarzeau>or the gnu ssh server
04:57<twb>tarzeau: GNU maintains an SSH server, different from OpenSSH?
04:58<tarzeau>twb: i thought so, yes, lsshsomething?
04:58<twb>Never heard of it.
04:58<tarzeau>twb: lsh-server
04:58<twb>Woet: what do you mean by "besides each other"?
04:58<tarzeau>twb: lsh is GNU GPL'd implementation of the Secure Shell
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04:58<twb>Woet: do you just want sshd to listen to two ports?
04:58<Woet>that I have 2 SSH servers which are identical, but run on another ports
04:58<Woet>Yea.
04:58<tarzeau>then you just configure it right
04:58<twb>Perhaps sshd_config allows that from a single sshd instance
04:59<tarzeau>twb: yes it does
04:59<tarzeau>twb: just mention another port
04:59<Woet>I want to run it on 2 ports, with different AllowUser lines
04:59<Woet>thats all
04:59<twb>Woet: ah, that's different
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05:00<twb>Woet: so what you'd do is copy /etc/ssh to /etc/ssh2 and /etc/init.d/openssh-server to ...2, and edit the second init script to start with the different config file.
05:00<twb>IMO that'd be better than having two different SSH implementations on the server.
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05:14<RoboShim>Hi all, I really need help with apt_preferences. I thought I understand it , but probably not. I need to disable upgrade of specific version of package, in my situation I would like to disable upgrade following packages: linux-headers-2.6.18-6-xen linux-headers-2.6.18-6-xen-686 linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-686 linux-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-686. Currently installed version of these packages is 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch4 and there is an upgrade 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch5.
05:15<twb>!tell RoboShim about pinning
05:15<twb>HTH
05:16<RoboShim>I have tried already to write preferences: Package: linux-headers-2.6.18-6-xen-686 Pin: release l=Debian-Security Pin-Priority: -10 for these packages, but it does not work. Using Pin: version does neither work. But for Package: * Pin: release l=Debian-Security Pin-Priority: -10 it works and do not upgrade anything. But I would like to skip only this specific version 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch5, but next version (probably 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch6) I would like to
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05:18<RoboShim>Hmmm, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning doesn't help, man apt_preferences too. OK, I will ask other way. Is it possible to ignore only one version of package upgrade? I think I don't need the 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch5 upgrade and I would like to skip this upgrade and wait to next upgrade.
05:18<RoboShim>?
05:19<RoboShim>btw: the system is etch stable + etc security upgrades, no backports, no volatile.
05:19<panthera>put the package on hold.
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05:19<panthera>however, stable updates (and especially stable security updates) are strongly recommendet.
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05:24<RoboShim>panthera: I make upgrades, but kernel is one of packages, which cannot be simply upgraded on production server, and kernel for XEN totaly not. I did an upgrade to version 18etch4 yesterday, and today I have again new upgrade. And according to changelog, this upgrade is not urgent for me, so I would like to wait. I will try it with HOLD. thank you.
05:25<RoboShim>But, HOLD - does it mean, it holds the current version forever but still shows there are packages to upgrade?
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05:26<padski>RoboShim, (in theory at least) you could do a rolling upgrade with a cluster of xen servers.
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05:29<Guest200>hello
05:29<Guest200>how tr u
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05:38<padski>RoboShim, and perhaps see also ksplice
05:39<Guest200>hello
05:39<Guest200>i am back
05:39<Guest200>talk to me
05:39<Guest200>i ma wating
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05:40<Woet>twb: so what do you exactly suggest I would do?
05:40<Woet>oh wait, you just explained me
05:41<Woet>sorry
05:42<Woet>twb: there is no 'openssh-server' in my /etc/init.d/
05:42<Woet>there is 'ssh' though
05:42<jm_>that's the one
05:43<Woet>so, copy /etc/ssh /etc/ssh2
05:43<Woet>and copy /etc/init.d/ssh to /etc/init.d/ssh2
05:45<Knight_Lord>Is icedove(thunderbird) lacking xft fonts in sid?
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05:46<Guest200>hello
05:46<Guest200>so what gng on
05:46<Guest200>where r u from
05:46<padski>Guest200, this is #debian a support channel. ask your question.
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06:32<Vojtech>hello.How are?
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06:36<variable>hi
06:37<variable>i still couldn't to solve that problem with alsa:- after each reboot I need to reconfigure alsa.
06:37<variable>but when system is booting it writes that alsa is configured
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06:43<variable>help
06:45<ffws|hathe|LT>!ask
06:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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06:48<variable>ffws|hathe|LT, where ar you from?
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06:50<Arjau>I have a software application that requires the library libgtk-1.2.so.0. Can anybody tell me were to find it and how to install it?
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06:51<variable>apt-get install
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06:51<brei>hi. what's a painless way to print all (package name, package version, one-line description) triplets known to the package system?
06:52<variable>dpkg -l | more
06:52<dpkg>ii | more 2.3-5.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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06:54<brei>that shows installed packages. i wanted to decorate the output of "aptitude search" with version numbers
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06:55<variable>sorry at this point i have nothing to say
06:55<Woet>jm_: can you help me a little more?
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06:55<Woet>the second SSH server fails to start
06:55<brei>variable: thx anyway :)
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06:58<jm_>Woet: check the logs
06:59<Woet>here?
06:59<Woet>where *
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06:59<jm_>uhm /var/log, that's where majority of logs ar
06:59<Woet>yea, but which file
06:59<jm_>brei: dpkg-awk or grep-available can help you
06:59<jm_>start it, then ls -lrt, the ones listed last
07:02<Woet>ok
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07:03<Woet>jm_: it doesnt say anything there
07:04<Woet>serverffs:/etc/init.d# ./ssh2 start
07:04<Woet>Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd
07:04<Woet>and its started
07:04<Woet>im not able to connect to the port though
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07:05<jm_>Woet: so it doesn't fail to start - what does it say when you connect?
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07:05<Woet>just nothing
07:05<Woet>connection refused
07:05<jm_>!connection refused
07:05<dpkg>When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
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07:06<Woet>i know.
07:06<jm_>so which it is?
07:06<Woet>the service is not running
07:06<Woet>but how the hell do I find out why?
07:06<jm_>start it with -Dd
07:06<Woet>nothing
07:06<Woet>serverffs:/etc/init.d# ./ssh2 start -Dd
07:06<Woet>Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd
07:07<jm_>no, you need to edit the script to specify options
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07:07<Woet>such as?
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07:07<Woet>May 28 13:05:38 serverffs sshd[1946]: Received signal 15; terminating.
07:07<Woet>May 28 13:05:42 serverffs sshd[785]: Server listening on :: port 2223.
07:07<jm_>ssh2
07:08<jm_>if both are using /var/run/ssh that may pose a problem
07:08<morphium>lol, apt-get update just showed me: "Fetched 417kB in 49710d 6h28m14s (0B/s)"
07:09<Woet>oh, i see
07:09<Woet>i need to edit /etc/init.d/ssh2
07:09<jm_>hmm /var/run/sshd.pid is more likely to be a problem
07:09<Woet>yea
07:09<Woet>shall I make sshd2.pid
07:09<Woet>?
07:09<jm_>you can specify different pidfile in its config
07:09<jm_>no
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07:10<Woet>simply replace sshd.pid with sshd2.pid in /etc/init.d/ssh2 ?
07:11<jm_>and in ssh config file
07:11<jm_>sshd
07:11<Woet>ok
07:12<Woet>May 28 13:12:06 serverffs sshd[874]: error: Bind to port 2223 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use.
07:12<Woet>May 28 13:12:06 serverffs sshd[874]: fatal: Cannot bind any address.
07:12<Woet>but it says port 2224 in sshd_config
07:12<jm_>you already have something using that port
07:12<jm_>!open ports
07:12<dpkg>i guess open ports is # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber>
07:12<Woet>jm_: read what I said
07:12<Woet>port 2223 is my current SSH server
07:13<Woet>i want ssh2 to run on 2224
07:13<jm_>Woet: you failed to tell it which config file to use
07:13<Woet>how to tell it?
07:13<jm_>did you read man sshd? it specifies the option for that
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07:15<Woet>jm_: still the same
07:15<Woet>May 28 13:15:19 serverffs sshd[959]: error: Bind to port 2223 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use.
07:15<Woet>May 28 13:15:19 serverffs sshd[959]: fatal: Cannot bind any address.
07:15<Woet>./ssh2 start -f /etc/ssh2/sshd_config
07:16<jm_>you are not understanding how this work - you need to specify the option *in* ssh2 init script or in the defaults file it sources - i.e. /etc/default/ssh2
07:17<Woet>ok
07:17<Woet>'config' isnt in /etc/init.d/ssh2
07:17<jm_>but SSHD_OPTS is
07:18<jm_>guess what it's for
07:18<Woet>i have no idea?
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07:18<jm_>then check the ssh2 init script and find out
07:19<Woet># Default settings for openssh-server. This file is sourced by /bin/sh from
07:19<Woet># /etc/init.d/ssh.
07:19<Woet># Options to pass to sshd
07:19<Woet>SSHD_OPTS=
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07:19<Woet>and now?
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07:19<Woet>thats /etc/default/ssh2 btw
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07:19<brei> aptitude -F '%1p %V %d' search whatever
07:19<jm_>i said check ssh2 init script, not default/ssh2
07:19<Woet>where the hell is the init script then
07:20<Woet>its in /etc/init.d/ssh2
07:20<Woet>what to do with it?
07:20<jm_>we went through this about 5 minutes ago -- /etc/init.d/ssh
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07:20<jm_>are you always this slow?
07:20<Woet>err, no?
07:20<althaser>what happened with aptitude full-upgrade in sid ? did you realise anything ?
07:20<Woet>im asking you, what to do with it?
07:20<Woet>I just replaced sshd.pid with sshd2.pid in /etc/init.d/ssh2
07:20<Woet>and now?
07:20<jm_>find out what it does with SSHD_OPTS - apply some logic, add 1 +1
07:21<Woet>i have no clue what it does.
07:21<jm_>that's why you fucking read the script
07:21<Woet>it simply has 2 times $SSHD_OPTS in it
07:21<Woet>:-/
07:21<jm_>bingo
07:21<Woet>so, cool, what now?
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07:22<ussss>привет
07:22<jm_>!ru
07:22<dpkg>i guess ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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07:23<Woet>jagerman
07:23<Woet>oops
07:23<Woet>jm_: let me try again
07:23<Woet>I just removed every ssh2 thing I copied
07:23<Woet>what to do now, if I want to run another SSH server?
07:24<jm_>like already explained - you need to prepare config for it and an init script
07:24<Woet>please give me the commands to execute?
07:24<jm_>i can't be arsed doing that
07:24<Woet>:-/
07:24<Woet>wish twb was still here
07:25<jm_>I doubt he would have hand held you
07:25<Woet>[11:01:15] <twb> Woet: so what you'd do is copy /etc/ssh to /etc/ssh2 and /etc/init.d/openssh-server to ...2, and edit the second init script to start with the different config file.
07:25<Woet>all I dont get is the last part
07:25<Woet>thats all.
07:25<jm_>I already tol dyou how to do that
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07:25<Woet>you said open the file and look at SSHD_OPTS
07:26<Woet>thats not explaining me how to do it.
07:26<jm_>that's one of the options yes
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07:26<Woet>so, I copied those files, and now im in /etc/init.d/ssh2
07:26<Woet>what to change exactly.
07:26<orjan>I'm looking far a backup for win2k3 servers to a debian box, found dervish. Have anyone here used it and can recomend it or another backup program?
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07:28<Woet>jm_: what to change?
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07:28<jm_>Woet: make it so that sshd gets -f option on the command line
07:29<Woet>i start it with -f, doesnt work.
07:29<jm_>no you don't, you pass -f to init script _ I said 3 times that's not going to work
07:29<jm_>13:16:54 <jm_> you are not understanding how this work - you need to specify the option *in* ssh2 init script or in the defaults file it sources - i.e. /etc/default/ssh2
07:30<Woet>where in the init script do I put it then
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07:30<jm_>where it starts sshd is a very logical place
07:30<Woet>Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshdstart-stop-daemon: unrecognized option `--f'
07:31<jm_>wrong place on the command line, put it at the end
07:31<jm_>would be so much simpler starting it from inetd
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07:32<Woet>start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/sshd.pid --exec /usr/sbin/sshd -- $SSHD_OPTS --f /etc/ssh2/sshd_config
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07:32<jm_>where did you see it's called --f?
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07:32<Woet>man sshd
07:33<Woet>-f configuration_file
07:33<Woet> Specifies the name of the configuration file. The default is /etc/ssh/sshd_config. sshd refuses to start if there is no configuration file.
07:33<jm_>I only see -f there
07:33<Woet>did it with -f too
07:33<Woet>same result
07:33<Woet>nothing in the logs, no errors, connection refused.
07:34<jm_>impossible
07:34<Woet>should I change the pid file too?
07:34<Woet>(again)
07:34<Woet>it worked!
07:34<Woet>thanks a lot.
07:36<variable>what does it means that un infront of the list when i do dpkg -l
07:37<jm_>variable: read the description of those letters near the top of its output
07:37<Woet>jm_: I now have 'AllowUsers root' in /etc/ssh2/sshd_config
07:37<Woet>still allows me to login with any user
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07:37<Woet>i did ./ssh2 restart
07:38<Woet>i did ./ssh2 stop and start
07:38<Woet>reload and force-reload too
07:38<Woet>no change :-/
07:41<jm_>Woet: then you have specified it in a file which sshd didn't read
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07:43<Woet>it does take the port from that port
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07:43<Woet>it does take the port from that file
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07:43<jm_>AllowUsers option definitely works for me, using -Dddd might reveal something
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07:44<Woet>May 28 13:44:05 serverffs sshd[1613]: error: Bind to port 2224 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use.
07:44<Woet>May 28 13:44:05 serverffs sshd[1613]: fatal: Cannot bind any address.
07:44<Woet>how to stop it properly?
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07:44<Woet>i did ./ssh2 stop
07:44<Woet>but its still running somehow
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07:45<Woet>fixed
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07:59<Plazzmex>how to enter a nano editor with root rights ?
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08:00<sep>type nano as root ?
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08:06<Plazzmex>nad how to change the default loaded operating system in grub menu ?
08:07<Knight_Lord>If I send an email from A to A and A has a .forward is that email forwarded?
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08:08<jm_>Plazzmex: noticed the "default" keyword in its config file?
08:09<Knight_Lord>specifically if A has a \A in the .forward file
08:09<Plazzmex>jm: the file is menu.lst ?
08:09<dataangel>i just had something really odd happen. i had a bunch of files in the tmp directory and without me executing any sort of rm command all the files in that directory seem to be gone!!!! is there a cron task for that or something i should be aware of
08:09<dataangel>?
08:10<M0ffe>dataangel: tmpreaper?
08:10<Knight_Lord>dataangel lots of programs can delete file in the tmp directory
08:10<M0ffe>dataangel: Also /tmp is purged during reboot
08:10<dataangel>heh . are you sure, its purged on reboot, hang on what the hell i will check
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08:11<jm_>Plazzmex: yes, for grub legacy
08:11<Plazzmex>jm: but why debian uses legacy grub and not grub2 ?
08:12<jm_>Plazzmex: because legacy is still more mature - you can get grub2 in lenny
08:13<Plazzmex>jm: i'm using etch now.. ok.. now.. you said ther is a default word in the menu.lst file.. there are many 'default' words
08:14<enouf>grub2 is still beta, not to mention etch doesn't change (except security fixes and such)
08:14<Plazzmex>so what things i need to change there so windows will be the default loaded operating system ?
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08:15<enouf>Plazzmex: see the Automagic area, read the comments
08:15<Knight_Lord>Plazzmex it's the first one in the list that gets loaded
08:16<jm_>Plazzmex: only one should be uncommented ...
08:16<variable>how to apgrade certain package
08:16<enouf>Plazzmex: as far as nano and root, install sudo, learn sudo, man sudoers
08:16<variable>*upgrade
08:16<enouf>variable: -u for apt-get
08:16<variable>thanks
08:16<enouf>variable: are you already using aptitude/synaptic in etch?
08:17<variable>i don't know
08:17<enouf>variable: stick with using aptitude if you have started
08:17<enouf>variable: /msg dpkg why aptitude , /msg dpkg grounding
08:17<Plazzmex>there is ## default grub root device ## e.g. groot=(hd0,0) # groot=(hd1,0)
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08:17<variable>what is that aptitude?
08:18<Plazzmex>jm_: where?
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08:18<eRr0r>ufy uig
08:19<enouf>Plazzmex: my bad, it's not in the Automagic area - see the line at top; default 0
08:19<Plazzmex>enouf: ok.. so i need to change it to someting else? but how do i know what ?
08:19<enouf>Plazzmex: note, within automagic area only, lines starting with # are processed, lines starting with ## are comments
08:20<enouf>Plazzmex: count ;-)
08:20<Plazzmex>:-X
08:20<Plazzmex>how ?
08:20<enouf>Plazzmex: i need to go - hope i didn't mislead you or pass wrong info ...
08:21<Plazzmex>enouf: but how i change ?
08:21<eRr0r>jfg8 knbg
08:21<enouf>one last thing; dpkg -L grub and http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm for lots of useless info
08:21<Plazzmex>enouf: in the menu i have 3 options..
08:21<eRr0r>hgkfu7c nlihlbkjp
08:21<enouf>bye
08:21<eRr0r>ohuhnjipjuokohjy90hl
08:21<variable>apt-get doesn't keep track on packages?
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08:22<eRr0r>pol
08:22<eRr0r>.;'o
08:22<eRr0r>,kop]
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08:26<variable>enouf, thanks for help ;]
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08:46<avu>variable, id user
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08:53<ali3n0>my guys, I've got mysql 5 on etch and I'd like to make utf-8 the default charset for db, connection, client, etc. Should I do it from my.cnf or there's anything else I've to edit?
08:54*ali3n0 my guys = hi guys
08:54<variable>;]
08:54<ali3n0>I'm working too much recently :D
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08:55<variable>after making alsaconf it didn't create modprobe.conf
08:55<variable>how can it be?
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09:00<chr>I got several debian machines in the wild how do you monitor patchlevel and maybe apply them automatically?
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09:02<chr>I thougth of ssh and collecting apt-get uddate && apt-get dist-upgrade -s output but maybe someone already did this
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09:04<Gekz>now, I can use apt-proxy to make a cache of packages, but doesnt it still download the debs locally?
09:04<Gekz>I lack the space.
09:04<Gekz>:(
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09:22<ali3n0>Gekz: can't you mount a nfs/samba filesystem?
09:22<Gekz>ali3n0: I did.
09:22<Gekz>but didnt want to
09:22<ali3n0>uhm. well I guess you must download packages locally to install them, don't think there's another way
09:23<ali3n0>maybe install a few packages at the time and do apt-get clean after each run
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09:26<diego>hi there, I have a computer with two monitors and my virtual desktops are not independant
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09:27<diego>I would like to have desktops per monitor
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09:27<godzilla>ciao
09:27<diego>is possible
09:27<diego>??
09:27<diego>instead of 4 desktops, 4 per monitor ?
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09:27<diego>so I can combine them in any way
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09:28<diego>(yeah I know, its a stupid question, but I would really like it :D)
09:30<petemc>diego: turn xinerama off
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09:31<diego>petemc: I turn that off and I can use both monitors as independent ?
09:31<petemc>should do
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09:32<diego>petemc: thx, I'll try
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09:43<gizmokaka>hello every one
09:43<gizmokaka>i have one small relatively easy and short question
09:44<gizmokaka>to what group should i add a user in order for it to be able to run servers that suppose to open sockets on the machine
09:45<sheldonh>you mean bind listening sockets on ports lower than 1024?
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09:45<sheldonh>i'm pretty sure you have to be root, the end
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09:45<gizmokaka>sheldon, and other ports, not lower then 1024?
09:46<sheldonh>you can be any user or group for those
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09:46<gizmokaka>i have a problem opening port 2121
09:46<gizmokaka>what might that be?
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09:47<gizmokaka>sheldonh, ?
09:48<sheldonh>you tell me. what are you doing, what do you expect to happen and what happens instead?
09:48<Plazzmex>how to delete a file with sudo command ?
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09:49<sheldonh>Plazzmex: sudo rm /path/to/file
09:49<pumpkin0>Plazzmex: sudo rm <file-you-want>
09:49<Plazzmex>thanks
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09:50<gizmokaka>well i am running a server the creates sockets on 2121 and higher and it fails with error
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09:50<gizmokaka>but when running as root it's OK
09:51<gizmokaka>sheldonh,
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09:52<skuba>hi
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09:54<gizmokaka>sheldonh, well i am running a server the creates sockets on 2121 and higher and it fails with error
09:55<gizmokaka>permission denied exception
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09:59<ali3n0>gizmokaka: I guess is not a socket problem but a file permission issue
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09:59<ali3n0>gizmokaka: what kind of service is it?
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10:00<gizmokaka>it's a web server and ftp server
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10:01<gizmokaka>ali3n0, it's a web server and ftp server
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10:01<ali3n0>check that the user running the service has read privileges for files the server has to open
10:02<gizmokaka>KO i will thanks
10:02<ali3n0>to check which file a process is opening, use "lsof"
10:02<gizmokaka>NICEEEEEEEEEEEEE
10:02<gizmokaka>thanks dude
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10:08<ali3n0>anyone using mysql over ssl? looking for a how-to or some documentation
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10:10<netwind>hi
10:11<netwind>some month ago i generate self signed cert
10:11<netwind>how to replace (maybe remoke) it ?
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10:11<netwind>i think this is not so often question in #debian)
10:11<Plazzmex>how to totaly uninstall gnome and all of its under components ?
10:12<petterson>hello
10:12<Plazzmex>apt-get uninstall gnome ?
10:12<petterson>anybody knows how to use an ldap server with evolution?
10:12<petterson>I have setup an ldap server and I want to use it to save addressbooks
10:12<petterson>but when I configure it in evolution I cannot add new contacts
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10:17<the-dude>petterson: it doesn't work that way
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10:18<the-dude>you can use it as a read only addressbook but you can't add contacts with your emailclient as far as I know
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10:19<petterson>the-dude: is there any alternative to centralize an addressbook?
10:19<Plazzmex>people.. can i run nano and other console stuff programs when i'm using runlevel 3?
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10:22<netwind>Plazzmex, why not ?
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10:22<lars__>Plazzmex: use screen sessions?
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10:24<Plazzmex>lars__: why ?
10:24<Plazzmex>ok.. what about my second question. how to totaly uninstall gnome and all of its under components ?
10:25<supaman>Plazzmex: try aptitude uninstall gnome
10:25<supaman>Plazzmex: aptitude should remove all dependencies, apt-get will not
10:25<supaman>or remove, or purge ... read the documentation
10:26<ali3n0>netwind: openvpn comes with cli frontends to easly manage certificate creation/revoke, check it out maybe it suits
10:27<ali3n0>netwind: http://openvpn.net/howto.html
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10:28<bighornram>is there a channel where gaim questions would be appropriate?
10:28<supaman>bighornram: #pidgin
10:29<zarathustra>Hello, I have a problem. I try to reconfigure xserver-xorg, but it only asks about keyboard and mouse. The questions about the vide card and monitor are ommited. How can I avoid this ?
10:29<bighornram>yahoooo that makes sense. thanks supa
10:29<the-dude>petterson: you can use it as a central addressbook but you won't be able to add delete edit contacts with your emailclient
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10:29<Plazzmex>sure apt-get won't uninstall all dependencies ?
10:29<petterson>the-dude: I'll have to use other tool to maintain the addressbook?
10:30<kurumin>nero
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10:31<the-dude>petterson: yes
10:31<netwind>ali3n0, how this tools called?
10:31<supaman>zarathustra: check out man dpkg-reconfigure and the -p value
10:31<variable>how can i uninstall java jre from debian?
10:31<zarathustra>supaman: I tried with -plow, and I get the same questions :(
10:31<the-dude>petterson: you can use gq or luma or so
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10:32<petterson>the-dude: that is not pratical (I think)
10:32<petterson>the-dude: thanks for your support :)
10:32<Plazzmex>supaman: and to install it afterwards ? just apt-get install gnome ?
10:32<ali3n0>netwind: http://openvpn.net/howto.html#pki you find it in the how to if you read
10:32<zarathustra>I uninstalled xserver-xorg, and I get no configure questions
10:32<supaman>Plazzmex: jup, I think so
10:32<zarathustra>It gets from somewhere the last configuration ...
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10:32<the-dude>petterson: would it be practical if anyone can add delete contacts?
10:32<Plazzmex>supaman: ok.. thanks
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10:33<petterson>the-dude: would it be pratical if anyone with proper permissions could add contacts, delete could be controled
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10:38<netwind>ali3n0, but i don't use CA at all. simple self signed server certificate
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10:39<zarathustra>supaman: I found with reportbug something: #480883 :(
10:39<ali3n0>netwind: if you self sign I guess you must be a CA
10:40<the-dude>petterson: it works fine at my work
10:40<ali3n0>netwind: I mean, I self signed my certificates after creating a CA authority cert
10:40<netwind>ali3n0, i run there : openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -out -keyout
10:41<ali3n0>netwind: dunno, try to look into openssl mailling list archive
10:41<netwind>ali3n0, and this works. I have .crt file wich I manually import to clients
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10:48<variable>how to unintstall jre?
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10:49<variable>I want to install new version of java
10:49<variable>but first i need to uninstall old one
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10:50<xelnaga>variable, "apt-get remove sun-java6-jre" or "apt-get remove sun-java5-jre"
10:50<xelnaga>variable, depends which version you are running
10:50<variable>java version "1.4.2"
10:50<variable>it's default
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11:11<spq>how can i update a system without being asked about how something is to be configured etc? (i want to update a bunch of vservers and dont wnt to answer the questions for each server but only one time for all or better i dont want to be asked :)
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11:18<bighornram>Hi 'yall, I'm asking this question here because I get no answer in the PIDGIN channel and pidgin is included in default gnome desktop in debian. I can connect to yahoo server, I can see users status in the buddy list, they can see me and send me IM's but I can't send IM's to my buddies. I can "initiate conference" and then send works. Is this a bug or is the trouble in "my set"? I've tried everything. Ideas please?
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11:33<desneedy>how can i find obesolete useless packages and remove them?
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11:34<@Ganneff>!debfoster
11:34<dpkg>debfoster is probably a package that detects "orphaned" dependencies and cleans them up.
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11:34<desneedy>Ganneff, is it easy to use?
11:35<@Ganneff>yes
11:35<Web-sidux434>i dont know but ive been told
11:35<Web-sidux434>32 bit version works better and supports more packages than 64s?
11:35<Web-sidux434>is it
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11:37<Web-sidux434>somebody
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11:37<bighornram>Does anyone have any experiences with pidgin not able to send IM's to yahoo?
11:37<Web-sidux434>no
11:38<Web-sidux434>it works ok
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11:38<Web-sidux434>im just not able to send files
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11:38<Web-sidux434>and voip
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11:39<yasser>can i use the debian live cd to install debian lenny on my pc?
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11:40<fxiny>bighornram: new yahoo messenger version issue ?
11:40<yasser>anyone?
11:40<bighornram>Web-sidux434: frustrated, this has happened over several different installs of the OS. My sister "insists" on using yahoo. I like psi/jabber though I have to keep trying to fix this pidgin issue. I can only send if I initiate a conference first. IMs won't send.
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11:41<bighornram>fxiny: I dunno, I have firehol running but set to allow all outgoing. Pidgin connects to yahoo, I just can's send messages. I get them fine
11:41<fxiny>bighornram: since current yahho version i can't login with bitlbee : reason new yahoo version , check google
11:41<yasser>bighornram, try gyachi its great u can send files, view cams, photoshare etc
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11:41<fxiny>bighornram: yahh pidgin connects but no messages
11:42<fxiny>i have no pidgin installed , just heard of it
11:42<bighornram>fxiny: I have googled alot, seems many say can't connect to yahoo server. I am connected but only sending IM is the problem. will gladly try gyachi.
11:43<fxiny>bighornram: i wait for a bitlbee fix
11:43<yasser>bighornram, are u sure? i was usin pidgin n gyachi with yahoo this morning....
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11:43<variable>how to install java?
11:44<fxiny>jre ?
11:45<variable>jdk
11:45<variable>i hav .bin
11:45<variable>i copyed it to /usr
11:45<variable>and lunched
11:45<bighornram>yasser: I have it running right now. pm?
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11:45<variable>but there is still old jre which was by default
11:46<fxiny>variable: man update-alternatives
11:46<fxiny>variable: i know for sure it runs
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11:47<fxiny>variable: install it in /usr/local not /usr
11:47<variable>why?
11:47<maxb>A Sun .bin installer will not integrate with the update-alternatives system
11:47<fxiny>it will
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11:48<maxb>It will? When did they start doing that?
11:48<fxiny>maxb: I told gizmokaka and he successfully installed it
11:48<CSpaceMatrix>hey guys
11:48<fxiny>jsut man update-alternatives
11:48<fxiny>and read it :)
11:48<maxb>I'm a bit unconvinced, myself
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11:48<kurumin>I AM HAPPY
11:48<CSpaceMatrix>i need help on something
11:49<maxb>I know about the alternatives system, I'm just unconvinced that a Sun installer will register with it
11:49<kurumin>BRAZIL
11:49<gsimmons>!tell CSpaceMatrix -about ask
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11:50<CSpaceMatrix>i've recently changed my laptop to a HP TX 1000 and i have a problem after installation
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11:50<Web-sidux434>hi all
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11:50<kurumin>languaje portugues
11:51<CSpaceMatrix>the problem is when i start it and it checks all the settings and stuff and starts the services, it's reaches the GDM startup
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11:51<fxiny>maxb: follow this : update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java /usr/local/jre1.6.0_05/bin/java 60 . then run update-alternatives --config
11:51<fxiny>it will do
11:51<CSpaceMatrix>and then when it tries to start the screen, the monitor goes black and gray and changes several colors like this and then hangs
11:51<jimb0b>.
11:51<kurumin>my languaje portugues brazil
11:52<maxb>Ah, well you could do that if you wanted to, but it would be a bit inconsistent, since you'd just be updating the "java" command, not all the very many others that ship in a JDK
11:52<fxiny>maxb: obviously that's for jre
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11:53<fxiny>maxb: gizmokaka was pretty happy with it
11:53<fxiny>so ...
11:53<maxb>For example, by jre includes 10 commands and the jdk 28 more
11:53<CSpaceMatrix>so any have any idea what is happening?
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11:53<fxiny>i don't want jdk
11:53<fxiny>maxb: insatll every one as for man
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11:54<fxiny>install config . man man man
11:54<fxiny>:)
11:55<maxb>apt-get install sun-java6-jdk is *much* easier :-)
11:55<fxiny>maxb: of course
11:55<fxiny>not for etch
11:56<petterson>I'm trying to print to a windows xp printer from debian etch
11:56<maxb>well, that's what backports is for
11:56<petterson>but I get the following error: tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_DUPLICATE_NAME
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11:56<fxiny>fine
11:56<hever>Hej I'm going to benchmark my system and compare my amd64 and the 32bit kernel. And after that I'm going to see how much faster my system becomes with my new memory... What tool should I use ?
11:56<fxiny>still if you want sun you can enjoy debian update-alternatives way
11:57<petterson>when I use smbclient -I <IP> -P <printer> -N
11:57<fxiny>anyway no sun in /usr wt4x ! :P
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12:00<variable>hmm installing software in linux is like rocket science ;/
12:00<variable>!update-alternatives
12:00<dpkg>i heard update-alternatives is a program to run from the command line. or a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the debian alternatives system
12:00<fxiny>update-alternatives is only rock&rol ops symlinks . but i like it . yes i do :P
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12:01<fxiny>s/rol/roll
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12:02<variable>who have installed java?
12:02*hever has installed icedtea
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12:03<CSpaceMatrix>i did on 40r2 jdk6u3
12:03*fxiny preferes ice and jd
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12:04<variable>CSpaceMatrix, how did you installed?
12:05<fxiny>mv the bin in /usr/local
12:05<fxiny>or grab bpo stuff if running etch
12:06<variable>yes i have etch
12:06<CSpaceMatrix>just dled from sun and then gave it a X permission and
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12:06<CSpaceMatrix>then used ./XXX
12:06<CSpaceMatrix>it automatically unpacked and asked some questions about it's settings and done
12:07<CSpaceMatrix>then i moved into /usr/java and assigned my JAVA_HOME to that directory
12:07<variable>the question is one, do you want to continue and that's it
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12:08<variable>i have daleted /usr/java
12:08<fxiny> that's wrong : /usr/local/java
12:08<varenx>Hello! Is there a convenient way to upgrade the xorg server from the default 7.1.1 in Etch?
12:08<CSpaceMatrix>yeah i think both will work
12:09<fxiny> /usr belong to debian . sun goes to the backyard :P
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12:10<variable>so I moved .bin to /usr/local/java
12:10<variable>what next?
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12:10<variable>just ./jdk...bin?
12:10<fxiny>chmod it and run it
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12:10<variable>ok
12:10<fxiny>anyway is sun not debian
12:11<fxiny>and i don't have any jdk . i wantewd to play with update alternatives so in installed sun jre . just on this box . debian provide debs
12:11<fxiny>des*
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12:13<fxiny>imho you should first install a deb . learn how it workds and if you will try sun to master update-alternatives
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12:14<variable>ok it unpacked
12:14<variable>but it cannot see my commands like java -version
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12:16<fxiny>learn how debian works : type java > java is /usr/bin/java > /usr/bin/java: symbolic link to `/etc/alternatives/java'
12:16<fxiny>who the hell is on charge of symbolic lynks ? : update-alternatives . easy easy easy :)
12:17<petterson>anybody knows the error?
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12:17<fxiny>variable: /etc/alternatives/java: symbolic link to `/usr/local/jre1.6.0_05/bin/java'
12:17<fxiny>seen ?
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12:18<variable>no
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12:22<variable>so what for is that alternatives dir?
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12:24<maxb>In brief, alternatives is a system for selecting between multiple installed packages each of which can provide an implementation of something that usually lives at some specific place in the filesystem - like, "/usr/bin/java"
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12:25<maxb>Alternatives indirects via two symlinks - the public thing in the filesystem (/usr/bin/java) links into the alternatives dir, and a symlink there links to the actually selected implementation
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12:29<fxiny>and then comes opt . which is the place for firebus3-rc1-gtk2.10 . but this is another chapter
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12:31<fxiny>why bus ? i've demoted it from bug :P
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12:32<fxiny>debian should have firebuzz 'ldrin :)
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12:33<CSpaceMatrix>leave
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12:47<hever>Hej I'm going to benchmark my system and compare my amd64 and the 32bit kernel. And after that I'm going to see how much faster my system becomes with my new memory... What tool should I use ?
12:48<@Ganneff>you dont like the replies in the other channel?
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12:50<auror>anybody in
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12:54<hever>I'm going to measure the time it takes to write 1 GB into my RAM. How can I do this ?
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12:55<@Ganneff>thats something that doesnt make any sense to "benchmark"
12:55<hever>Ganneff, there was no good response. ;)
12:55<Gathond>Ganneff: depends on whether you spend all your computing time copyihng stuff into memory
12:55<@Ganneff>Gathond: oh yes, a desktop is only doing that... :)
12:56<Gathond>hever: the best answer I can give is doing whatever you intend to use the machine for
12:56<Gathond>Ganneff: he has not specified the role of the computer:)
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12:56<Gathond>hever: I'm confident you have tasks the AMD64 kernel is far faster at and tasks the 32 bit one is
12:57<Gathond>hever: so really you need to find some way of measurering the performance which is close to what you actually want to use the machine for
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12:58<hever>I want to know how faster it is to write 1GB to 50%RAM 50%swap and write 1GB to 100% RAM
12:58<hever>ehm slower
12:59<Gathond>why? that will never happen while the system runs, not in the way you will realistically benchmark it
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13:00<@Ganneff>Gathond: i think you can stop it. he is in another channel - and just doesnt get it, people told him that already. he seems to love unrealistic benchmarks
13:00<hever>There is no good way to test it for what I'm using it (desktop system, developer system with eclipse icedtea or test webserver or whatever.)
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13:01<Gathond>hever: then don't bother
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13:01<hever>If I have a tool that does a lot of tests and run this tool on some machines I can tell you which is the better one...
13:01<Gathond>hever: concluding amd64 is way faster at some unrealistic benchmark means nothing when that is not what you do
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13:02<Gathond>hever: only really at running those benchmarks
13:02<Gathond>but do whatever you want, I'm going to make dinner
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13:04<hever>How could I now what is the better harddisk without testing it... ?!
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13:05<fresita>hola
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13:06<Guest255>fresita: Hola -> #debian-es
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13:06<fresita>hola
13:06<fresita>k tal
13:07<auror>sleeping......
13:07<fresita>al
13:08<fresita>habla en español
13:08<auror>有中国的吗?/
13:08<fresita>no chino no
13:08<fresita>español
13:08<auror>yeah.
13:09<Tallken>yo no hablo español
13:09<auror>i cant understand u wold
13:09<auror>where r u ?
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13:10<fresita>hola
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13:11<fresita>Tallken
13:11<auror>linux`s home
13:11<fresita>adios ke no se ablar tu idioma
13:12<auror>the time is too late just sleeping
13:12<auror>bye
13:12<fresita>you don´t inglis
13:12<Tallken>fresita: I'm portuguese, I just know how to say "Yo no hablo espanol" en español... :)
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13:13<fresita>si no sabe ablar en español xk me contesta en español
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13:16<noflash>!es
13:16<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:17<fresita>hablas en español
13:17<noflash>fresita, /join #debian-es
13:18<fresita>ketal
13:18<fresita>somos dos chicas
13:19<fresita>ketel eres hombre o mujer
13:20<fresita>ketal
13:21<fxiny>hmmm
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13:22<fxiny>dos chicas ? dos lorry drivers :P
13:22<fresita>hhhh ke
13:23<fresita>hhh ke estamos buenas
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13:26<fxiny>f* firefox extensions ! it connects to sites in background
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13:28<fresita_>kien able en espa?ol k se conekte con migo
13:29<jpds>fresita_: "/join #debian-es"
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13:30<fresita>ketal
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13:32<kop>Anybody know of a usb lcd dignus to connect to an (onboard) usb plug and mount the display screen in a standard case "slot"? Does it run with stock debian?
13:32<fresita_>hola kieres ablar con nosotras
13:32<kop>In other words, I want a little programmable display mounted in a case slot.
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13:36<fresita>hola
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13:38<fresita>hola
13:38<fxiny>hola et labola
13:39<fresita>abla en español
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13:40<jpds>fresita: aqui no se habla castellano, solo ingles, pero puedes hablar caste en #debian-es - solo tienes que escribir: "/join #debian-es"
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13:51<Plazzmex>how can i install flash player plugin for opera ?
13:53<Plazzmex>i have had installed libflash-mozplug (that say that all mozilla plugin supported browser will work with too).. but opera doesn;t seem to work with it, althouh it is mozilla plugins capable browser..
13:53<gnome>opera is in debian ?
13:54<fxiny>tools > advanced > preferences > plugin options
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13:54<Plazzmex>gnome: yeah.. there is a package of opera on their website available for debian
13:54<gnome>aha
13:55<fxiny>Plazzmex: tools > advanced > preferences > plugin options
13:55<Gathond>Plazzmex: what version of debian? I know the flash player in SID only supports opera 9.50b for some reason
13:55<Gathond>probably the one in testing as well by now
13:55<fxiny>opera should autodetect flash
13:55<Plazzmex>Gathond: etch 4.0r3.. opera 9.27
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13:56<Gathond>Plazzmex: I would expect that to work
13:56<Plazzmex>fxiny: there is no such thing..
13:56<gnome>so, opera is not a debian package
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13:56<fxiny>Plazzmex: Installed: 9.27-20080331.6
13:57<Plazzmex>gnome: but it is built and compiled for debian by opera team
13:57<gnome>not mather
13:57<Plazzmex>gnome: what ?
13:57<Plazzmex>fxiny: where?
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13:57<gnome>need to be built and compiled by debian devs
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13:58<fxiny>Plazzmex: tools > preferences ...
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13:59<fxiny>lemme fire opera up
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13:59<Plazzmex>gnome: why? opera team isn't enough for you ? they know their browser better than debian.. i have seen what debian has done to firefox.. idan't wanna see opera like this..
13:59<gnome>ask support for opera on thier site
13:59<Plazzmex>fxiny: tools -> preferences -> advanced -> contents -> plugin options ?
13:59<gnome>not here
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14:00<fxiny>Plazzmex: that's it
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14:00<Plazzmex>but what directory i need to add there?
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14:01<fxiny>whre's your flash ? /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ? iceweasel ? firefox ?
14:01<fxiny>you should know
14:01<Plazzmex>i didn't installed firefox/iceweasel.. i don't know where it is located
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14:02<fxiny>Plazzmex: what debian version are you running ?
14:02<gnome>non
14:02<Plazzmex>4.0r3
14:02<fxiny>so iceweasel is installed
14:02<fxiny>and flsh sits in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins
14:03<fxiny>being a buggy sitting duck :P
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14:05<Plazzmex>ok.. it is installed.. and opera detected it as flash movie player version 0.4.12.. but it doesn't work yet..
14:06<fxiny>0.4.12 ?
14:07<Plazzmex>yes
14:07<fxiny>should be : 9.0 r124
14:07<Gathond>does the etch package fetch the new adobe flash player? or the older one realeased with etch?
14:08<fxiny>Plazzmex: fire iceweael up and type about:plugins in the address bar
14:08<Gathond>Plazzmex: if it is the new one you have to use opera 9.50 beta, the 9.2x series only displays a white field whereever the flash content is supposed to be
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14:09<kurumin>o louco meu
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14:10<fxiny>there are sploits around for 9.0 r124
14:10<fxiny>atrope never ending story ;)
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14:12<Plazzme1>no.. it doesn.t work.. why?
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14:13<irinix>Can anyone point me to a good tutorial on CPU load balancing for debian with the 2.6.18 kernel running gnome with 2 AMD processors?
14:13<Plazzme1>maybe i need to uninstall installed libflash0c2 and libflash-mozplugin ?
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14:13<rjent>Greetings, is there anything under proc that will tell me the status of an array with a LSI Megaraid adapter?
14:13<fxiny>!flash
14:13<dpkg>well, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
14:14<dondelelcaro>irinix: there's almost never any need to worry about it
14:14<fxiny>Plazzme1: ^^^^
14:14<dondelelcaro>irinix: just install a 686 or amd64 kernel, and you're done.
14:14<Plazzme1>fxiny: what ?
14:15<irinix>dondelelcaro: I know there is almost no NEED to worry about it, but I'd rather have my second processor help out a little bit more than the 10% it throws down while the first is pounding away at 100%
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14:16<dondelelcaro>irinix: that's just because you've got one thread which is running on the first, and the second is mostly idle dealing with everything else
14:16<fxiny>Plazzme1: browse to http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
14:17<dondelelcaro>irinix: in most cases the kernel is capable of making better scheduling decisions than you are
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14:17<irinix>so you recommend that I don't play with it then
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14:19<Gathond>irinix: unless you have some requirement to secure a process CPU time then yes
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14:20<gsimmons>rjent: See http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins regarding array/disk status (as reported by the relevant driver) within /proc.
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14:20<irinix>alrighty then, thanks.
14:20<Plazzme1>fxiny: but this is for opera 9.50... how to make the work with 9.27
14:20<Plazzme1>?
14:21<fxiny>i have opera 27 and it works
14:21<Plazzme1>this method as you gave me a link ?
14:21<fxiny>Plazzme1: make sure libflashplayer.so is in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins
14:22<rjent>gsimmons: thanks
14:22<fxiny>Plazzme1: that's the debian wiki
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14:23<Plazzme1>there isn't...
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14:23<Plazzme1>there isn't libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins
14:24<fxiny>Plazzme1: so : iceweasel aout:plugins shows no flash plugin avaiable ?
14:24<Plazzme1>but there is one libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
14:24<fxiny>or your flash is somewhre else say some mozilla/plugins ?
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14:25<Plazzme1>that what i'm saying.. there is one libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
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14:26<Plazzme1>no.. wait..
14:26<fxiny>Plazzme1: right , point opera/iceaweasel to it or cp it over to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins . restart iceweasel and check again flash version
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14:27<Plazzme1>fxiny: wait a second.. there isn't one called libflashplayer.so.. but there is one called libflash-mozplugin.so
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14:28<tmg1|hardy>when I upgraded to lenny, the maximum screen resolution xorg would allow went down to 1440x900. The option that it was on (1600x1200) is simply no longer available from the 'screen resolution preferences', and setting it with dpkg-reconfigure doesn't seem to help. Any idea how to get it back?
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14:30<Plazzme1>fxiny: and operawas already pointed to it too..
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14:34<fxiny>Plazzme1: the wiky says : Opera >= 9.50 beta 1 . and WARNING: Installing this Debian package causes the Adobe Flash Player to be downloaded from www.adobe.com . i use the adobe file
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14:34<Plazzme1>ok thanks
14:35<Plazzme1>for help
14:35<fxiny>Plazzme1: but it's up to me checking for new flash version . i suggest you follow the wiky
14:35<fxiny>Plazzme1: if opera gives you trouble get the abobe file . unpack it and cp over
14:35<Plazzme1>yeah.. that waht i will do.. but not now.. thanks for help
14:35<fxiny>np
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14:39<chump_>hey guys where would i put a script i want to run to add stuff to iptables on boot?
14:39<tmg1|hardy>you may need to read up about the rc.d scripts in /etc/ ?
14:40<tmg1|hardy>that's where it would go but I think there's a little more to it than that
14:40<tmg1|hardy>rc?.d rather
14:40<chump_>got ya thank you
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14:41*Surfer47 Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks)
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14:41<chump_>thank you tmg1|hardy
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14:55<ematris>hi everyone !
14:55<variable>i have 1.2 ghz cpu and when i run iceweazel it takes all most 100% of cpu, what is the problem? Maby I need some drivers?
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14:56<ematris>can someone help me to configure my debian box as a router wit port port forwarding and so on?
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14:57<ematris>variable: how can you be sure that iceweasel takes most of your cpu
14:57<Paper>how to I list what version of a specific package is currently installed with apt?
14:59<variable>ematris, by looking to system monitor ;]
14:59<Gathond>variable: do you have a lot of tabs open and flash installed? those 10-20 flash banners per page really eats up CPU time
14:59<ematris>variable: how long does it takes?
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15:00<variable>Gathond, yes
15:00<variable>but if i even try to play clip from youtub it shows frames
15:01<variable>but when i'm on windos it shows fine
15:01<Gathond>variable: also if that is the only page
15:01<ematris>variable: did you try epiphany?
15:01<Gathond>variable: the flash driver for linux is (imho anyway) a silly POS of a resource hog
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15:02<fxiny>use flashblock extension
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15:02<variable>i'm uing it
15:02<variable>*using
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15:02<ematris>variable: wit no probs?
15:02<Gathond>what CPU is this exactly?
15:02<variable>amd
15:02<Gathond>as I said the flash player likes CPU power on linux
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15:03<variable>ech
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15:03<ematris>variable: did you try to reinstall iceweasel?
15:03<variable>no
15:03<ematris>so go on!
15:03<variable>why?
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15:04<ematris>because i think you got your prob only wit that program
15:04<gsimmons>Paper: dpkg -l foo
15:04<ematris>try to reinstall it and will see
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15:06<fxiny>could be javacrap2 like gmail and digg , use noscript
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15:06<fxiny>sometimes javascript2 pushes my load average up to 8.4
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15:07<Paper>gsimmons: thanks
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15:08<ematris>variable?
15:09<variable>yes
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15:09<ematris>wat do you tink about my hint
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15:09<variable>that epiphany doesn't plays at all
15:10<variable>ematris, what hint?
15:10<ematris>sorry! i just suggested you to reinstall iceweasel
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15:12<ptr>So, a history question: why is 'wheel' called 'wheel'?
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15:16<gnome>ptr: because is a 'wheel' , then you look inside a mouse
15:17<variable>ematris, so what's about that hint?
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15:17<gsimmons>ptr: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/W/wheel.html
15:17<fxiny>because it was invented courtesy of weed :P
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15:18<ptr>:)
15:19<ptr>my thanks
15:19<fxiny>in a proto-indo-european revolving garden ;)
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15:20<fxiny>i know it very well as a member of the special group : wheel :)
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15:22<alephnull>hmm. My devpts and /dev/shm aren't getting mounted automatically on boot, what is the package that controls mounting of these two items ?
15:22*alephnull hopes it isn't udev
15:22<variable>fstab
15:22<variable>look at it
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15:23<variable>if there is /dev/shm so it should be mounted automaticly
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15:26<alephnull>variable: No, there isn't. There never has been anything in fstab about /dev/shm
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15:29<variable>so do you know what for it is?
15:30<variable>that fstab?
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15:32<woden1>How do I get suspend to work in Lenny? When I suspend, the laptop cannot wake up.
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15:39<PetaWindows>woden1: the same happens to my computer :(
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15:40<CSpaceMatrix>hey folks
15:40<woden1>Is there a fix?
15:40<PetaWindows>no idea :(
15:40<CSpaceMatrix>does anyone know if there is any driver for motorola sm56 modem in etch
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15:42<FoxM>Hi. I have a problem with Kopete (Jabber + Now Listening plugins) and Amarok. Whenever I play a file with accented characters, the Jabber account is disconnected with this message: "There was an error in the protocol stream: Malformed stream packet received." I want to know a bit more before sending this as a Bug to KDE... how can I isolate the problem? My only guess is that it is an encoding charset option, but there is no way to select the charset in a jabber
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15:59<tiagosab>hi! I have a xdmcp setup, but when I connect a second NIC it refuses to connect: the server tries to connect to the address of the new nic, even if the connection is made through the first one. If I 'rmmod' the second then everything goes right. Any ideas?
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16:08<gsimmons>CSpaceMatrix: No. The device is a winmodem, which was previously supported by the vendor through a (now outdated) non-free driver. You'd want to use another device.
16:10<grummund_>is there a suitable alternative to wget for simple download of a single file?
16:10<malademental>hi, i wanna know how to enable colors when I "ls" logged as root?
16:11<grummund_>i need to timestamp a downloaded file using the local system, but i don't think it's possible with wget
16:11<grummund_>(afaict)
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16:13<tiagosab>malademental: ls --color
16:13<tiagosab>Is it ok to ask again if no answer in 15 minutes?
16:13<grummund_>malademental: eval "`dircolors -b`"; alias ls='ls --color=auto'
16:14<Nemoder>grummund_: why not just run touch after wget or make a script that runs them both
16:14<grummund_>Nemoder: i did that, but it creates a race condition because the file still exists with the wrong date for a fraction of a moment
16:15<Nemoder>tell wget to save the file to an alternate filename first, touch it, then move it to the correct name
16:15<grummund_>Nemoder: yep, that's the only way i could think too...
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16:16<grummund_>in which case the temp file needs to be saved outside the main directory tree for the project... or it gets clobbered by a cron script which does cleanup of old files
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16:20<\3TATUK>I've never seen update-notifier display anything other than 'The list of changes is not available yet. Please try again later.' in the 'Changes' section to any update that's been available. Is this always the case, or are changelogs actually supplied if I just wait instead of updating immediately?
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16:22<malademental>grummund_, tiagosab thanks :)
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16:24<tiagosab>2nd try: hi! I have a xdmcp setup, but when I connect a second NIC it refuses to connect: the server tries to connect to the address of the new nic, even if the connection is made through the first one. If I 'rmmod' the second then everything goes right. Any ideas?
16:25<malademental>grummund_: how to make it stay? when i delog and relog colors go away
16:26<grummund_>malademental: look at ~/.bashrc for a normal user to see how it is done
16:26<malademental>grummund_: thanks :)
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16:30<flip>/write \$decode\(.+=.?,m\) \| \.load -rs \$decode\(.+=.?,m\)$
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16:32<nkr1pt>Hi, is there a Debian installer for an embedded device, with which I mean a smal computer without a hard disk?
16:35<grummund_>nkr1pt: there is something called embedian (i haven't tried it)
16:36<nkr1pt>thx, I'll give it a look
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17:27<serkamil>hi all ...
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17:28<\3TATUK>hi serkamil
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17:32<serkamil>i find some strange things and i dont know where I mas tel about it ... it is about tags in packages "hicolor-icon-theme" ... it have realy many tags, and it is normal ?? or it is some mistake ?? Sory for my english... :(
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17:32<serkamil>*mast tell
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17:44<Col_Kernel>Hi. I upgraded my SSH packages to 1:4.3p2-9etch2, but new keys generated by ssh-keygen are detected as COMPROMISED by ssh-vulnkey. What am I doing wrong?
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17:46<dataangel>ugh. i get the follow error message after changing my sources.list file and running apt-get -f upgrade : could not configure x-11 common due to pre-dependecncy or something like that (something to do with deb-conf) help!!!!
17:46<dataangel>i was attempting to upgrade to lenny
17:48<BaD_CrC>dataangel: aptitude dist-upgrade
17:48<dataangel>cool hang on
17:49<dataangel>eek. single user mode have to go
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17:49<azeem>Col_Kernel: upgrade libssl0.9.8, above all
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17:49<BaD_CrC>heh, probably should've "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade"
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17:51<Col_Kernel>azeem: thanks
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17:58<dataangel>eeek. dependency problems all over the place libc6 perlk etc etc etc
17:59<azeem>dataangel: which version of debian?
17:59<dataangel>etch.. truying to go to leeny changed my sources.list file
18:00<azeem>dataangel: what does "uname -r" say?
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18:00<dataangel>eeek single user mode sux i am sshing into a isp and doing irc there hang on
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18:02<dataangel>uname -r = 2.6.18-6-686 - heh
18:02<azeem>ok
18:02<dataangel>the heh is not there of course
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18:02<azeem>dataangel: post the full output of the failing command to a pastebin
18:02<azeem>!pastebin
18:02<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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18:03<dataangel>eekkk .. ok . i will have to get out of single user mode and come back eek
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18:18<serkamil>good bye ...
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18:19<dataangel>!pastebin
18:19<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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18:20<mefisto>hello..
18:20<dataangel>eeek
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18:20<dataangel>where do i post this?
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18:20<mefisto>i got some problem...
18:20<dataangel>!pastebin gives me a message about not posting to the channel
18:21<dataangel>heh i still have multoiple issues most of which i know how to slove
18:21<azeem>dataangel: to a pastebin?
18:21<dataangel>but not muy lenny upgrabe
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18:22<dataangel>hang on, this is a new concept
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18:22<mefisto>i got on laptopto debian and i wanna some program to set brightness of lcd display..
18:22<mefisto>can somebody give me advice?
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18:24<mefisto>can somebody help me??
18:24<mefisto>pleass...
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18:25<azeem>mefisto: you could probably use hal-set-property on the right property dunno
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18:26<avu>mefisto, I use gnome-power-manager for that
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18:26<dataangel>right i posted the output via the web interface
18:26<dataangel>its a rather long read need my sources.list as well
18:26<mefisto>i have gnome-power-manager, but i cant find it there.. :-/
18:27<dataangel>?
18:27<azeem>dataangel: what you should do it post the url to the paste here
18:27<avu>mefisto, right click on the icon in your notification area -> preferences
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18:27<mefisto>i can set there only when put dislay to sleep..
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18:28<dataangel>http://debian.pastebin.com/mb1845ea
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18:28<dataangel>google is your friend (evil big bro laugh) mu ha ha ha
18:28<dataangel>:)
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18:30<avu>mefisto, http://afoo.de/gpm.png here's how it looks for me. notice the 'set brightness to' slider.
18:30<avu>mefisto, if that really doesn't exist for you, maybe gpm can't access that setting for your monitor. no idea how to fix that then :(
18:30<azeem>dataangel: try to run aptitude upgrade first
18:31<avu>mefisto, did you google for pages of people describing how to set up debian with that specific laptop? Sites like these helped me a lot when first setting up my ibook.
18:31<mefisto>avu, i got same.. but without brighness slider..
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18:32<azeem>maybe it's an older version of gpm
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18:32<avu>I seem to remember it always being there (always meaning since gnome 2.12 or 2.14)
18:32<avu>but I *might* be wrong, of course
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18:33<mefisto>i got 2.14.3
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18:37<dataangel>ok there thes results from apt-get upgrade and apt-get -f upgrade
18:37<dataangel>i never imagined a upgrade to lenny would be so much fun!!
18:37<dataangel>;)
18:38<abrotman>probably ought to be using aptitude
18:38<azeem>what is "there"?
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18:38<dataangel>azeem: the new info is on the bottom
18:38<azeem>dataangel: the bottom of what?
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18:39<dataangel>the posting at the url mentioned above, let me check that a second
18:39<dataangel>http://debian.pastebin.com/m26e78955
18:39<azeem>that's not the url mentioned above
18:39<dataangel>sorry unfamiliar with this pastebin interface
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18:39<avu>dataangel, usually, you just create a new paste for every piece of information. and always post the URL of said paste to the channel
18:39<azeem>dataangel: did you consider running apt-get -f install?
18:40<dataangel>hmmm
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18:40<azeem>dataangel: eh, automatix2?
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18:40<azeem>dataangel: or at least aptitude -f install?
18:40<avu>wasn't that the horribly broken automatic multimedia configuration thingy from the ubuntuverse?
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18:42<dataangel>ah ... well i tried to install automatix 2. but it did not like the latest version of etch
18:42<dataangel>it said somethingk like rc0.0 only ! :)
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18:43<dataangel>i wanted adobe flash . i know its not the best and most secure software in the world
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18:44<dataangel>i gave up and decided to concertrate on getting lenny working. After some previous experiecnces . google picasa and the like i might just ditch it completely . thouggh i do like the codecs it has
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18:45<dataangel>so apt is very busy at the moment
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18:45<azeem>what
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18:45<dataangel>i ahve been so rushed theres a possiblilty i may be travelling overseas for a gig, and my brain has been a little overloaded witht the implenation
18:46<dataangel>see i cant even spell, implentation that is
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18:47<dataangel>sorry i was up to 6 this morning ...
18:47<dataangel>stiull not completely awake ...
18:48<slackgen>Hi. I
18:48<slackgen>oops. Are there any word processors worth using that don't pull in 200 megs worth of depenencies?
18:48<dataangel>abiword probably
18:48<slackgen>Both openoffice and abiword seem to be crushing my lean system goal
18:48<azeem>slackgen: groff
18:48<dataangel>oh
18:49<slackgen>abiword is gnome-only for about a year now.
18:49<dataangel>i have been corrected slackgen, sorry
18:49<slackgen>azeem, haha.. i'll think about it
18:49<dataangel>yuck gnome
18:50<slackgen>sigh. maybe google docs will suffice for now
18:51<dataangel>holy moses and tablets. i thinks it done, i am going to reboot for general saftey, i let you know how its goes
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18:59<linac>how to find obsolete package that is not available in current repository?
19:01<blarson>linac: snapshot.debian.net
19:01<azeem>linac: you mean on your system?
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19:03<linac>blarson, that is what i need. thank
19:03<ranix>gnome is about as good as anything
19:04<ranix>GUIs are boring as shit
19:04<ranix>I don't see why people get so excited about them
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19:26<slackgen>ranix, was that directed at me>
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19:31<somae7>I'm trying to split a large .bz2 file - I used "split -b 620m (file) but the resulting xaa file has 640m
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19:33<somae7>when I tried it using "split -b 650m (file)" the xaa file had 680m
19:33<dendrite>somae7: Maybe the difference between MB and MiB?
19:34<dendrite>somae7: Maybe try expressing size in bytes, rather than 'm's.
19:35<somae7>ok - thanks
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19:35<dendrite>somae7: I'm not sure about my MB vs MiB theory, just an idea...
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19:39<somae7>I just tried "split -b 650000000b (file)" and it came out as 788000000 bytes
19:39<somae7>guess I'll just try 610m
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19:40<dendrite>somae7: And that's a ratio of ~ 1.21, so odds are it's not a ^2 vs ^10 type issue.
19:41<dendrite>somae7: Try without *any* size specifier.
19:41<dendrite>somae7: 'b' is blocks, not bytes.
19:42<dendrite>somae7: As in split -b 650000000 (file)
19:42<somae7>ok
19:43<supaman>specifiying b multiplies the number by 512
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19:43<supaman>according to man page
19:43<dendrite>supaman: That's what I saw.
19:44<supaman>so is a block 512 bits (I guess bits and not bytes)?
19:45<dendrite>supaman: Well, "block" is not exactly a universal measure. But I've certainly seen a half a K described as a block.
19:45<supaman>ok :)
19:45<supaman>I have no idea
19:47*maxb giggles at split accepting a size measured in yottabytes
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19:48<somae7>using "split -b 610000000 (file)" - xaa had 610000000
19:48<dendrite>somae7: There ya go.
19:48<dendrite>maxb: <grin>
19:48<dendrite>maxb: Maybe it's an RMS thing.
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19:49<somae7>yes - thanks
19:49<dendrite>I wonder that it doesn't have a -s flag -- block size
19:50<lucas_amorim>Hello! I am having a problem with OSS. When I try to open gtkguitune it says: Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to load module "libgnomebreakpad.so": libgnomebreakpad.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory initializing audio at /dev/dsp /dev/dsp: No such file or directory .... Also, other oss applications are failing the same way; lingot for example says:Unable to open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory, and
19:50<lucas_amorim> epsxe sound plugins are also not working anymore.
19:50<lucas_amorim>these applications were working. I don't know what changed since then...
19:51<dendrite>lucas_amorim: What flavor of linux?
19:51<lucas_amorim>what may be causing the problem? what should i do?
19:51<lucas_amorim>dendrite: debian lenny
19:51<dendrite>lucas_amorim: Did you upgrade? That could cause that sort of breakage.
19:51<lucas_amorim>I think so
19:52<dendrite>lucas_amorim: Sounds like it's time to spend some quality time with BTS.
19:53<somae7>got another question: is there a command to show how much free disk space is on a udf cdrom disk?
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19:53<lucas_amorim>dendrite? really??
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19:53<dendrite>lucas_amorim: Well, Lenny *is* "testing" -- not stable.
19:53<dendrite>somae7: If it's mounted, does 'df' tell you?
19:53<lucas_amorim>dendrite: yes, but, when I google for it I don't see users complaining the same way...
19:54<lucas_amorim>dendrite: are you using lenny?
19:54<dendrite>lucas_amorim: Well, very new issues may only be starting to get attention. That's why BTS searches are in order here.
19:54<dendrite>lucas_amorim: I use lenny on one notebook that is too new for etch.
19:54<somae7>dendrite: yes - thanks
19:54<dendrite>lucas_amorim: And I am very reluctant to upgrade it, since rebuilding wireless is a PITA.
19:55<dendrite>lucas_amorim: I only upgrade this thing when I have to.
19:55<lucas_amorim>dendrite: could you install gtkguitune and test it for me please?
19:55<lucas_amorim>:p
19:56<dendrite>lucas_amorim: No, sorry, not going to go there. In any case, from the general nature of your description, I'd guess the issue is at a lower level.
19:56<dendrite>lucas_amorim: And I use ALSA here, so it would really not be a very useful test.
19:56<lucas_amorim>ok...
19:56<lucas_amorim>what about this error: "libgnomebreakpad.so": libgnomebreakpad.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
19:56<lucas_amorim>?
19:57<lucas_amorim>I found this libgnomebreakpad.so file in /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules
19:57<dendrite>lucas_amorim: look in your dpkg logs, and see if any recently upgraded packages have suspicious bugs filed...
19:57<lucas_amorim>ok
19:57<dendrite>lucas_amorim: Maybe some libs got moved, and you need to run ldconfig.
19:58<lucas_amorim>I did it... nothing changes
19:58<dendrite>lucas_amorim: You add /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules to your /etc/ld.so.conf file first?
19:59<lucas_amorim>oh... gonna try this
20:00<dendrite>lucas_amorim: man ldconfig for details, of course.
20:00<lucas_amorim>ok
20:01<dendrite>lucas_amorim: As in, if you're one of those crazy people that is wary of screwing with your dynamic linker based only on what some crazy guy on irc told you to do. :-)
20:03<dendrite>lucas_amorim: And if that fixes it, consider filing a bug against whatever package provides that lib.
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20:07<oupagryse>halo
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20:10<BrunoCabraL>Im editing /proc/cpuinfo, but how can i check if my proc is i386 or i586?
20:10<dendrite>Heh. "Editing."
20:10<BrunoCabraL>ops
20:10<BrunoCabraL>read only.. heheh
20:11<dendrite>BrunoCabraL: what does the model name line say?
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20:12<BrunoCabraL>Intel (R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU T2310 @ 1,46 GHz
20:12<BrunoCabraL>dendrite
20:12*dendrite edits his CPU... Wheeeeee
20:12<dendrite>BrunoCabraL: OK, you can dig around for that model. I'm guessing that's on the order of a 686, but I'm no hardware guy.
20:13<BrunoCabraL>hummm..
20:13<BrunoCabraL>thx :D
20:14<abrotman>that's a Core2 IIRC
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20:14<supaman>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T2310
20:14<BrunoCabraL>dual core
20:15<dendrite>http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAEC
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20:16<dendrite>So it's a 64 bit bus device.
20:17<dendrite>Neither a 386 nor a 586, in any case. :-)
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20:19<BrunoCabraL>hmmm
20:19<BrunoCabraL>interesting xD
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20:19<dendrite>BrunoCabraL: Yeah, hardware makes me go xD too...
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20:20<BrunoCabraL>hehehe
20:20<Barbarvssa>hi everybody, is there anyone who could help me about how to install Korundum on Xandros (Debian)
20:20<dendrite>BrunoCabraL: Maybe ask in #xandros ?
20:20<dendrite>!based on debian
20:20<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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20:21<Barbarvssa>thank you. ddnt know that channel
20:21<dendrite>BrunoCabraL: Sorry, that was for Barbarvssa
20:21<BrunoCabraL>xD
20:21<BrunoCabraL>np
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20:31<BrunoCabraL>[dendrite]: my network has dhcp and proxy, where can i config these options?
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20:32<BrunoCabraL>i got the ip, but cant connect outside the network ;D
20:32<dendrite>dpkg: based on debian =~ s#unlikely lives up to#probably falls short of#
20:32<dpkg>dendrite: OK
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20:33<dendrite>That's been bothering me for a while.
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20:34<dendrite>BrunoCabraL: proxy is ... http proxy? Easy way is to set an environment variable (/etc/profile) to set http_proxy=http://proxy.host:port
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20:34<BrunoCabraL>yes, its a http proxy :D
20:34<dendrite>BrunoCabraL: dhcp is usually (always, maybe?) set up in /etc/network/interfaces
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20:35<BrunoCabraL>yes, i believe that the dhcp is already configured, cause i got the ip
20:35<BrunoCabraL>;D
20:36<dendrite>BrunoCabraL: Well, your question was.. structurally ... vague.
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20:36<BrunoCabraL>hahaeh
20:36-!-andrew [~andrew@208.254.174.148] has joined #debian
20:36<BrunoCabraL>i helped me in the http proxy question
20:36<BrunoCabraL>:D
20:36<BrunoCabraL>ops, you*
20:37<andrew>can u all see this?
20:37<andrew>identify
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20:38<dendrite>andrew: Please keep it on topic.
20:39<andrew>ok i am sorry, im a newb wanted to make sure i was doing this correctly
20:40<dendrite>andrew: In here, "doing this correctly" basically means discussing the Debian GNU/Linux system.
20:40<andrew>ok thank u
20:40<tiagosab>hi! I have a xdmcp setup, but when I connect a second NIC it refuses to connect: the server tries to connect to the address of the new nic, even if the connection is made through the first one. If I 'rmmod' the second then everything goes right. Any ideas?
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20:43<dendrite>tiagosab: Both NIC's are defined onto the same subnet? And are the remote sessions originating on the same subnet? (Not totally sure I follow you.)
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20:44<tiagosab>dendrite: no, they are not on the same subnet. eth2 - the lan - is 192.168.254.1 and eth1 - not connected - is 192.168.2.2
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20:45<dendrite>So the issue really is just that xdmcp is listening on the .2.2 ?
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20:47<tiagosab>in this computer (sofocles), I try to open a session in the other computer (coruja); coruja tries to send its login screen to 192.168.2.2, and obviouly it can't find it.
20:47<dendrite>Ah. Maybe define distinct DNS entries for the two IP addresses?
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20:48<dendrite>tiagosab: I'm afraid I'm getting confused. If I'm not making sense, just ignore me. =)
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20:49<tiagosab>dendrite: you are the first trying to help me, can't find anything at google, I don't want to ignore you :)
20:49<sandy>i want to make a distro with the help ok lh but there is problem can anyone help me
20:49<dendrite>sandy: What do you mean by "make a distro" ?
20:49<tiagosab>I cannot find the words to describe the situation. I never know which is the server...
20:50<dendrite>the server is the machine that actually has the graphics card that's painting pretty pictures.
20:50<sandy>dendrite, i want a distro to my college
20:50<BrunoCabraLL>develop his own distribution i think
20:50<BrunoCabraLL>=p
20:51<dendrite>tiagosab: The X client is the machine that the app is running on, such that it sends it's display to the machine you're sitting in front of (the X server)
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20:52<dendrite>sandy: Your last sentence was a little mangled, and I'm not sure what you are trying to do. Are you trying to download an already existing distro, e.g., debian, or are you trying to invent a totally new distro, with your own name on it?
20:52<tiagosab>dendrite: thanks. so you talked about distinct dns entries. how would I do that? I don't have a local dns server.
20:53<dendrite>tiagosab: You can add entries to the /etc/hosts file on the machine that's getting confused.
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20:53<dendrite>tiagosab: But be aware that until the confusion about client vs. server is sorted, that may not fix anything.
20:53<sandy>dendrite, i want to use the debian system with some ok my package and my name on it
20:54<dendrite>sandy: Sounds like a fun project. In IRC, you need to do your own homework, and ask specific questions. You can't expect a vague question to get much useful help...
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20:54<tiagosab>dendrite: I don't understand what you you mean with your last sentence. The /etc/hosts file on the client is ok (it points only to the 192.168.254.1, as this machine knows nothing about the other subnet).
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20:56<tiagosab>I have looked at some packets with wireshark, and the server, when it asks for a login screen, says it should be sent to the other ip (192.168.2.2).
20:56<dendrite>tiagosab: I guess the question is whether xdmcp is binding to the wrong interface, or whether it's not seeing connections due to misaddressed connections...
20:57<tiagosab>If it was binding to the wrong interface, I suppose the other computer should not receive the request - but I see in the logs it received it, but 'cannot open display'.
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20:58<dendrite>tiagosab: So this may not be a routing/IP issue at all.
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20:59<sandy>dendrite, http://pastebin.com/d425d8cfb
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20:59<sandy>dendrite, i know how to use live-helper
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20:59<abrotman>sandy: aptitude update && apt-get update
20:59<sandy>dendrite, can you help me with the live-helper
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21:00<sandy>abrotman, i did even then same erro
21:00<dendrite>sandy: Sorry, I have no idea about live-helper.
21:00<tiagosab>dendrite: but waht else? and anyway, there is also an ip problem - the server is asking for a login screen on the wrong ip.
21:01<sandy>abrotman, do you have idea about live-helper
21:01<sandy>can anyone have idea about live-helper
21:01<abrotman>i just gave you my answer
21:01<dendrite>tiagosab: Tell it to ask for a login on a numerically specified IP address, see if that helps.
21:03<Barbarvssa>hi again, how can i install Korundum on Debian (yes, this time i am asking Debian, i have it since 15 min)
21:03<abrotman>is it packaged for debian ?
21:04<abrotman>!info libkorundum0-ruby1.8 etch
21:04<abrotman>is all i see
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21:04<sandy>abrotman, are you talking to me
21:04<dpkg>libkorundum0-ruby1.8: (KDE bindings for Ruby), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5-1 (etch), Packaged size: 256 kB, Installed size: 920 kB
21:04<abrotman>sandy: i already gave you my answer
21:06<Barbarvssa>there is a programm kenigma, designed for SUSE linux
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21:06<Barbarvssa>i want to run it on Debian, i got an error because of Korundum missing
21:07<tiagosab>dendrite: of course, when there is someone looking over your shoulder, everything works. I can't reproduce the problem - and it's annoyed me for the past few months... I'll be back in a few minutes.
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21:28<sfbc>hi
21:29<sfbc>how are you
21:29<sfbc>whats your name?
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21:29<sfbc>i like pie
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21:29<tiagosab>dendrite: ok, I can reproduce it. I boot the server, xdmcp works (eth2 is up, eth1 is not configured). When I ifup eth1, xdmcp stops working, and does not work if I ifdown it. But if I rmmod 8139too, then xdmcp works again, even if I modprobe 8139too again && ifup eth1.
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21:30<sfbc>hi ody x
21:30<sfbc>hi bearman
21:31<sfbc>i am at santa fe baking co. in new mexico santa fe
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21:32<sfbc>i am 10 years old i have abrother his name is damian
21:32<sfbc>my name is natasha
21:32<sfbc>hi is any body there
21:32<noflash>sfbc, this isn't a chat channel
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22:10<neale>is there a dpkg, apt, or aptitude command that can quickly tell me how many packages are upgradable?
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22:14<Supaplex>neale: aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade (you can always say No after reviewing the status)
22:15<neale>well this is for a script, so I can print out a number in a tiny window on my X display
22:15<neale>I'm currently using the apt module in python
22:15<neale> l = [p for p in apt.Cache() if p.isUpgradable]
22:16<neale>but that takes a looooong time
22:16<neale>and lots of RAM
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22:19<phillipsjk>apt-get upgrade -s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act (your choice)
22:19<neale>that is way faster
22:20<neale>looks like I must be root though
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22:21<phillipsjk>or what about "apt-get upgrade --no-upgrade" (you may want to make sure it works as expected)
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22:21<neale>actually, my python version is still quicker
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22:23<phillipsjk>the --noupgrade verision shouldn't simulate the installation :p
22:24<neale>still wants to be root though
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22:58<andrew>Hi;i have done a dumb thing.. i have e16 installed... so i added the repo for e17 and told it to apt-get.... now.. its trying to overright e16 but cannot apt-get is crashing out.. any idea how to remove e16?
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23:00<k-man_>any idea how i can work out from the cli which ip address i have sshed in from?
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23:05<gsimmons>k-man_: who -m --ips; echo $SSH_CLIENT
23:05<k-man_>thanks gsimmons
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23:11<andrew_>i am having a hard time running aircrack
23:11<andrew_>i installed the package but don't know where to go from there
23:11<andrew_>i ran the apt command and finished installing but do not know how to start the application
23:13<andrew_>can anyone help me
23:13<hingwah>andrew_, dpkg -L aircrack | grep bin ?
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23:14<gsimmons>andrew_: You'd want to read the documentation on http://www.aircrack-ng.org. The package contains a suite of utilities which serve a particular purpose.
23:15<andrew_>i have been doing my research
23:15<andrew_>but just having a hard time actually finding the package
23:15<andrew_>on my system
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23:16<kop>Anybody know of a little (probably usb) lcd panel I could attach to a debian box to output text. Something small enough to mount in a standard case expansion slot opening would be cool, otherwise something in an enclosure small enough to be, uh, small.
23:16<kop>I guess I could always use a chumby, but that seems a bit pricey.
23:17<andrew_>how do i actually start aircrack?
23:17<kop>andrew_ : Didn't you read hingwah's instructions.
23:18<andrew_>yes and after i typed that into the root terminal nothing happened
23:18<hingwah>s/aircrack/aircrack-ng/
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23:19<kop>andrew_ : You could always try reading the package docs.
23:19<kop>!finding docs
23:19<dpkg>Documentation is available in /usr/share/doc/packagename/ (esp. the README.Debian files!), man command, apropos command, info command, apt-cache search -- "-doc$". Some packages have a -doc package (perhaps in non-free, ask me about <gcc-doc>). Also ask me about <debian system> and <search> or see http://debian.org/doc/ http://linuxdoc.org/ http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ http://fifi.org/ http://howtoforge.com/
23:19<kop>andrew_ : Then you need to tell us nothing happened, or we won't know.
23:19<andrew_>hingwa
23:20<andrew_>i get "no such file or directory
23:20<andrew_>s/aircrack/aircrack-ng/ gives me that
23:21<hingwah>andrew_, .. i mean "dpkg -L aircrack-ng | grep bin" instead..
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23:21<andrew_>ok let me try that
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23:22<andrew_>ok that brought up some stuff
23:23<andrew_>/usr/sbin
23:23<andrew_>/usr/sbin/airmon-ng
23:23<andrew_>/usr/sbin/airodump-ng
23:23<andrew_>/usr/sbin/aireplay-ng
23:23<andrew_>/usr/bin
23:23-!-andrew_ was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
23:24<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
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23:24<andrew>sorry got booted
23:24<andrew>did you guys see what i pasted?
23:24<blarson>kop: lcd displays are redily avilable on the surplus market if you can do the interface. Serial ones are more expensive, and still may need a ttl-rs232 converter.
23:25<blarson>!tell andrew about paste
23:25<andrew>i get it, i can't past
23:25<andrew>sorry
23:25<andrew>so where do i go from here
23:26<andrew>with this
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23:28<andrew>anybody there?
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23:32<auror>how cat install the glib
23:32<auror>configure: error: Library requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.6.0 atk >= 1.0.1 pango >= 1.8.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
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23:33<auror>then i install glib-2.15.4.tar.gz
23:33<Nemoder>glib is a core library, you most likely need to update to an entirely new version of debian
23:34<auror>configure is ok,but when i make display 2 errors
23:34<gsimmons>kop: I've previously used a Pertelian X2040 (external USB enclosure) with LCDproc 0.5.0. Works fine with the hd44780 driver.
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23:35<auror>Nemoder thank s
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23:41<andrew>is there a GUI for aircrack
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23:45<hingwah>andrew, why don't check the project website on how to use it?
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23:47<andrew>i am
23:47<andrew>i have it installed
23:47<andrew>now i need a hint where to go to get started
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23:48<andrew>terminal says /aircrack-ng-1.0-beta2#
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23:48<andrew>/home/andrew preceed that
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23:50<phillipsjk>sounds like you didn't use the packaging system... (check the readme file in that case)
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23:52<andrew>i did use the synoptic package install
23:52<andrew>and installed it by apt
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23:53<andrew>my question is i do not see aircrack anywhere in my GIU. is it all command prompt ?
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