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---Logopened Sat May 31 00:00:22 2008
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00:00<huhlig-eeepc>the webcam still wont work
00:00<twb>huhlig-eeepc: #debian-eeepc?
00:00<RIVE>In a Eee PC 900?
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00:22<vic1ous>Hey, Where does wine install to? I looked in Home with show hidden folders and files checked.
00:23<twb>vic1ous: by default, the wine "C:" drive is in ~/.wine/drive_c
00:23<vic1ous>but i can't find .wine
00:23<vic1ous>i installed it through the package manager and its installed cause i ran notepad
00:23<twb>That directory is created when you first run wine.
00:24<twb>Usually running notepad should create it.
00:24<vic1ous>lol it did
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00:24<vic1ous>sorry i didn't check after that
00:24<vic1ous>thank you =]
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00:25<twb>You can get more info at #winehq on Freenode.
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00:28<joshua_>hey guys i have an NTFS drive and during boot the system lost power now when i cdisk the drive(unmounted) it shows no partitions but i can mount the partition but can't access certain folders is the data lost?
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00:32<enouf>joshua_: better boot your windows cd and run chkdsk on it
00:35<joshua_>damn thats not a good time
00:35<MrJoey>I just installed Debian Etch, and it's not creating device nodes (sda, sda1, sda2...) for my USB drive. I have lsmoded usb-storage
00:35<MrJoey>dmesg indicates that the USB plugin and device are being detected, but I'm not getting any block devices
00:37<twb>MrJoey: is udev installed?
00:40<Nemoder>any output from dmesg?
00:40<MrJoey>Permission to paste 8 lines?
00:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
00:40<MrJoey>Actually, I'll use pastebin
00:42<MrJoey>Actually, mind if I just do a full restart? initing from 5 to 1 to 5 may have messed things up
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00:46<MrJoey>Yeah, rebooting fixed the USB issue
00:46<MrJoey>(though I left the drive plugged in during the reboot process, but unplugging and replugging worked, too)
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00:48<joshua_>enouf: is there a way i can tell what kind of partition is mounted?
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00:50<enouf>joshua_: you mean FStype? file -s /dev/hda1
00:50<enouf>joshua_: output of 'mount'
00:51<joshua_>that worked thats pretty boss
00:51<joshua_>its ext3 is there a chkdsk i can run on a ext3?
00:51<enouf>joshua_: it;s called fsck
00:52<enouf>joshua_: you mentioned NTFS though
00:52<Supaplex>ntfs is the devil!
00:52<joshua_>yeah i thought it was ntfs there are two drives inthe system acting up
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00:53<joshua_>i had a power failure during a transfer of a lot of data
00:54<joshua_>and am now trying to recover data that i can
00:54<joshua_>butthe drives are acting really funny
00:54<Supaplex>testdisk might have some handy utils for you
00:55<joshua_>this drive if i umount it won't shwo me any paritions in fdisk / cfdisk but i can mount a /dev/scd5
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00:55<enouf>i'd likely start with "shutdown -rF now"
00:56<enouf>or "touch /forcefsck" and reboot normally
00:58<Supaplex>if the kernel knows the partition table, but fdisk doesn't, there's damage that may never show up after a reboot
00:59<enouf>he already (re)booted after the power failure
00:59<joshua_>the dirves been rebooted
00:59<Supaplex>when you repartition a disk, and the disk is in use, the kernel tables are not reloaded for that drive. subdevice interaction relies on the kernel picture
00:59<joshua_>yeah and i pulled the drive from the computer
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00:59<enouf>huh? wtf?/
00:59<Supaplex>then how can you mount it?
00:59<joshua_>i'm mounting it via a usb adapter
00:59<Supaplex>"... but i can mount a /dev/scd5"
01:00<enouf>this kid is trolling
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01:01<joshua_>i'm not trolling at all i'm just asking how i can fix this after a power outage i've hooked up this drive to my laptop on a usb enclosure
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01:01<domonjo>i have quession /
01:02<Supaplex>joshua_: explain this line all over again. "this drive if i umount it won't shwo me any paritions in fdisk / cfdisk but i can mount a /dev/scd5"
01:02<Supaplex>and by unmount, we assume it's the umount command. not physical disconnection of the hardware
01:02<Supaplex>!tell domonjo -about ask
01:04<joshua_>yeah if i umount the drive and do a cfdisk /dev/sdc it lists the drive as blank(no partitions) but i can mount it by doing a mount /dev/sdc5 /mnt/disk
01:04<domonjo>lol dpkg thanks!
01:04<domonjo>What is the best? the emulator in Etch.
01:04<domonjo>for ie6
01:05<Supaplex>why not use firefox? :)
01:05<domonjo>i have an iceweasel
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01:05<domonjo>wine only?
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01:06<Supaplex>domonjo: wine is application level, a full blown windows would have to be installed under other emulators like qemu
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01:06<domonjo>yeah i know. but i have not hdd space
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01:07<domonjo>so small hdd ;)
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01:07<Supaplex>domonjo: so are you asking if wine will run ie6, or is this a poll to see if there is something else like wine? (which there's not btw)
01:08<domonjo>wine & wine doors?
01:08<Supaplex>I'd use the appdb information off and avoid wine doors unless it's neccessary
01:08<Nemoder>there is ies4linux which uses a customized version of wine
01:09<twb>ies4linux does not customize wine.
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01:09<Nemoder>well, custom configuration at least
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01:09<twb>It merely scripts the installation of the upstream ie cabs.
01:09<Supaplex>personally, I reroll wine from upstream and backport it by hand on a semi-regular basis
01:11<Supaplex>that's after the currently installed wine isn't working to my satisfaction (not for shiney new updates)
01:12<domonjo>before i used qemu & vmplayer
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01:15<graytron>xid: np
01:15<graytron>sorry xid
01:16<domonjo>It is not possible to do because hdd is already small now.
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01:16<shiitface494>how do I change my name
01:17<domonjo>Why is emulator necessary?
01:17<domonjo>There is a gaming site that cannot be done if it is not ie6.
01:17<Nemoder>what is the site?
01:18<domonjo>japanese site
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01:19<domonjo>i think i need activex
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01:21<Nemoder>activex loads .dll files which will only work in windows unless you use wine or an emulator
01:24<domonjo>okay thanks all
01:25<domonjo>Hdd is added and vmplayer is put.
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01:41<vic1ous>Hey, My refresh rate is locked at 50 hz any idea why?
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01:45<domonjo>reboot :p
01:45<vic1ous>i have
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01:46<vic1ous>any other ideas?
01:46<domonjo>Xorg -configure on root
01:46<vic1ous>its making games in wine run sketchy
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02:01<thonit>I'm trying to kompilte for Debian. Does anyone know where I can find .config to make quicker settings in the new kernel?
02:01<Nemoder>thonit: try looking in your /boot folder
02:01<thonit>Thank you
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02:03<twb>Don't forget to compile the kernel with make-kpkg, rather than by hand
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02:07<Nazcafan>I want to install code blocks but could not find any code::blocks package in the official debian repository, is there something planned?
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02:08<twb>Nazcafan: what are code blocks?
02:09<Nazcafan>twb: code::blocks is an ide for coding C++, it is quite new but has a good reputation, and I would like to give it a try, since I am not convinced by, let's say eclipse-cdt
02:11<twb>Nazcafan: if you want it in Debian you can file a RFP (request for package) bug against the wnpp pseudopackage. Run "reportbug wnpp" and follow the prompts.
02:11<twb>If there are already plans for such a package, reportbug should find them for you and allow you to read them and/or add your own comments.
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02:31<Nazcafan>twb: I am doing it, but I have to check 4000 bug reports to see if there is a similar one
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02:32<twb>Nazcafan: reportbug should filter out all the irrelevant wnpp bugs.
02:32<Nazcafan>twb: well, it doesn't seem to, actually
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02:34<twb>Shrug. WFM.
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02:36<dpkg>somebody said wfm was Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual?
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02:46<Nazcafan>twb: ok, bug report sent
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03:09<joshua_>how would i upgrade to sid from etch?
03:09<joshua_>or lenny?
03:09<joshua_>from etch to lenny or etch to sid
03:12<twb>!tell joshua_ -about etch->lenny
03:12<twb>If you need to ask, you shouldn't be running Sid.
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03:18<Swat2>can someone help me, ive just had a mental blank :/... I want to setup the same packages on one system as another.. Old server: dpkg --get-selections > selections New Server: dpkg --set-selections < selections
03:18<Swat2>then what?
03:19<gsimmons>!debian clone
03:19<dpkg>One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone>
03:19<Swat2>ahh dselect-upgrade
03:19<Swat2>thats right
03:19<Swat2>cheers gsimmons :)
03:20<twb>That sounds kinda scary
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03:38<gizmokaka>Hi there all
03:39<gizmokaka>I have a very wierd problem that either is going to show me as a complete incompetant fool :(
03:39<gizmokaka>or it's something very wierd
03:39<gizmokaka>my amarok is playing, and my speekers are open and with volume up
03:40<gizmokaka>my sound drivers apear to be working also
03:40<gizmokaka>amarok seems like it's in play mode yet i don't here any sound
03:40<gizmokaka>i double checked that the system voume is up , and speeker volume is up
03:41<gizmokaka>unless speeker technical problem(i doubt that) i don't have the slitest idea what the hell is happaning
03:41<gizmokaka>I need my music to study for my exams please help me
03:42<Nazcafan>I have trouble sending bug reports, I think my exim is not correctly setup, so I am tried to set that up but I am not sure at all about the setup options right now
03:42<Nazcafan>s/I am tried/I am trying
03:44<gizmokaka>**slightest of course
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03:45<fxiny>gizmokaka: does running : cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp , make any noise ?
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03:47<gizmokaka>fxiny, no it gives error No space left on device
03:48<gsimmons>Nazcafan: You can alternatively configure reportbug to use a MTA at a specific host (eg. your ISP's SMTP server), by using --smtphost (or 'smtphost ""' in ~/.reportbugrc).
03:48<tzafrir_home> /dev/dsp assumes support for OSS is working
03:48<fxiny>gizmokaka: df -h ?
03:48<fxiny>gizmokaka: if your home is full you won't be able to login as user next
03:48<gizmokaka>remind me please how do i send a copy ? to which site?
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03:49<Nazcafan>gsimmons: tomboying this, have to go, I'll try that later but for now I think I configured it ok ...
03:49<Nazcafan>gsimmons: how can I check my mail transfer agent ?
03:49<fxiny>gizmokaka: righ : try aplay any.wav you can find
03:50<gizmokaka>fxiny: excuse me but can you tell me please what the first thing i did that was supposed to give me sound
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03:50<gizmokaka>i am looking for a .wav file
03:51<tzafrir_home>sound could be fopund unde /sur/share/sounds
03:51<tzafrir_home>e.g: /usr/share/sournds/KDE_Startup.wav (or something similar)
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03:52<tzafrir_home> /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav
03:52<gizmokaka>fxiny: doesn't it work on mp3 files?
03:52<Nazcafan>ahah, mail rejected because my Email adress is not correct
03:52<fxiny>it should make noise on mp3
03:53<tzafrir_home>it only works with raw files in the very right format
03:53<fxiny>gizmokaka: scroll up to tzafrir_home KDE_Startup.wav
03:53<tzafrir_home>but any file would make some noise
03:53<gizmokaka>fxiny: in that case i received an error, aplay: main:550: audio open error: Device or resource busy
03:54<fxiny>tzafrir_home: tru : aplay *.txt does it
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03:54<fxiny>gizmokaka: device busy ? i'm not runnign kde anymore but i belive you should disable/enable sound in kde control center
03:55<fxiny>gizmokaka: and/or amarok output settings
03:56<gizmokaka>hey i am not running KDE either, i am in gnome
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03:56<gizmokaka>just use amarok as my music player
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03:56<Supaplex>nice. 01:54:47 up 24 days, 1:39, 2 users, load average: 45.16, 45.15, 45.13
03:56<gizmokaka>but it sais that when amarok is closed
03:56<fxiny>45 ? wtxx !
03:57<Supaplex>I have three processes idle in the D state. system is still very responsive :)
03:57<gizmokaka>i closed amarok after seeing the error
03:57<fxiny>responsive on 45 for 15 minutes ?
03:58<gizmokaka>fxiny: are you talking to me?
03:58<Supaplex>fxiny: these pids started this fiasco yesterday
03:58<fxiny>gizmokaka: not running even gnome . could be a esd gnome issue , wait for a gnome user
03:58<gizmokaka>what desktop are you using?
03:59<fxiny>Supaplex: fiasco ? hahahah a big fiasco indeed : i start screaming when firebus pushes my load average over 8.4 ;)
04:01<fxiny>gizmokaka: me ? i have a gnome box a kde box but i run fluxbox wmii , sometimes ion , waiting for lenny xmonad , i prefere tiling winodws managers
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04:02<fxiny>gizmokaka: amarok > engine > try esd maybe is esd is running
04:02<fxiny>should autodetect it
04:03<Supaplex>fxiny: all kio_trash processes in question have used 8 seconds of cpu time since they started. It's a little frustrating w/o something like top, on a per process 'load average' useage. eg, where's my load spike coming from...
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04:04<fxiny>Supaplex: yes , i run my stuff in screen sessions where i can see load average . or wmii status , i prefere htop
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04:05<gizmokaka>fxiny: sorry but inside amarok i don't find any menu engine
04:05<fxiny>gizmokaka: right , amarok > settings > configure > engine
04:06<gizmokaka>fxiny: it's xine engine
04:06<fxiny>gizmokaka: yes , check output > autodetect or pull the menu down and play with it
04:06<Supaplex>the only thing htop makes obvious, is one cpu core is pegged with kernel time
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04:07<gizmokaka>fxiny: received, xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers
04:08<stuart>can someone explain how i install adobe's version of flash on Debian 4 stable
04:08<gizmokaka>fxiny: only autodetect works
04:08<gizmokaka>but still no sound
04:08<dpkg>[flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
04:09<fxiny>Supaplex: i see no marillat atrope reader in that factoid
04:09<Supaplex>well FIX IT :)
04:09<fxiny>me ?
04:10<stuart>can someone explain what backports is and what the ramifications of enabling that repository is
04:10<fxiny>stuart: atrope reader is form marillat upofficial repo : deb etch main
04:10<Supaplex>no, your sister. what do you suggest anyhow?
04:10<Supaplex>but that's not related to flash, is it?
04:11<stuart>i would prefer to stay conservative and as official as possible
04:11<Supaplex>ps, the sister part was sarcasm :)
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04:11<stuart>is backports a testing thing?
04:11<fxiny>Supaplex: i have no sisters avaiable . all busy in the slaughter house with cowboys ;)
04:11<gizmokaka>fxiny: can i install a few desktop managers on the same system and use anyone i choose?
04:11<Supaplex>!tell stuart -about backports
04:11<Supaplex>gizmokaka: sure
04:11<gizmokaka>check out more desktops
04:12<fxiny>gizmokaka: yes you can run kde gnome xfce4 and many many more
04:12<gizmokaka>Supaplex: dammm that's great. any good place were i can read how to do that?
04:12<Supaplex>yea, install openbox and you're done. ;)
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04:12<Supaplex>just apt-get install what ever you're after.
04:12<gizmokaka>Supaplex: fxiny: I am loving this debian more and more every day
04:12<Supaplex>!tell gizmokaka -about search
04:13<fxiny>Supaplex: no way : i will use xmonad in lenny
04:13<fxiny>gizmokaka: glad to hear , really glad
04:13<stuart>if i enable backports, can i just install flash or will it want to upgrade other parts of my system
04:14<stuart>or am i better off installing direct from adobe's site
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04:14<fxiny>ah flash ? i am sleeping
04:14<Supaplex>stuart: that's in the backport website faq
04:14<stuart>ok thanks
04:14<Supaplex>last time I nstalled from adobe's site, it sucked :(
04:14<fxiny>Supaplex: atrope f* my sleeping brain today ;)
04:14<sheldonh>kpdf for the win
04:15<fxiny>i don't install . i just cp that usgly thing over
04:15<Supaplex>pdf xchange viewer under wine works pretty well. (off the winehq deb repos)
04:15<Supaplex>for pdf markup :)
04:15<stuart>supaplex: i read it but dont understand it
04:15<gizmokaka>Supaplex: read on how to install a peace of software is nice, but i should first know it exists :)
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04:16<Supaplex>gizmokaka: hence "search"
04:16<fxiny>marillat pdf are ok : bloated like the original :P
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04:16*Supaplex 's in considerable pain, off to bed before it flares up worse
04:17<fxiny>too much gaming ?
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04:18<stuart>so will backports screw with a debian 4 install if I only install flash OR will i be unable to discern what is a backport what is not OR at default settings will it try and upgrade everything
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04:20<fxiny>stuart: bpo is ok :
04:20<stuart>thanks fxiny -- that makes sense
04:21<fxiny>stuart: np , "All backports are deactivated by default..."
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04:25<juampax>any speak spanish?
04:25<juampax>any speak spanish?
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04:25<twb>!tell juampax -about es
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04:26<juampax>i'don install java
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04:27<juampax>java version "1.6.0_06"
04:27<juampax>Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_06-b02)
04:27<juampax>Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 10.0-b22, mixed mode, sharing)
04:27<juampax>i don't open chat in mozilla
04:27<juampax>help me please
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04:28<juampax>i active java in mozilla
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04:28<fxiny>06 ?
04:28<juampax>any speak spanish?
04:28<fxiny>i am one loop behind
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04:31<fxiny>nahhb i have the latest one
04:31<fxiny>joshua_: what debian version are you running ?
04:31<fxiny>joshua_: sorry
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04:32<sheldonh>is there a site that offers free debian repo hosting?
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04:35<Foxamemnon>Hello. On Debian/unstable I am getting messages from cron with the following subject:
04:35<Foxamemnon>if [ -x /usr/sbin/exim_tidydb ]; then /usr/sbin/exim_tidydb /var/spool/exim wait-remote_smtp >/dev/null; fi
04:35<Foxamemnon>The message body contains "/bin/sh: /dev/null: Permission denied" but Exim is working fine.
04:37<Foxamemnon>I get them once a day, but I cannot find this particular line in any of the exim cron scripts. I've even tried "grep -r wait-remote *" from /etc and get no matches. I'm at a loss as to what is causing these "errors". Does anybody here have any ideas?
04:37<Foxamemnon>I am using exim4-daemon-heavy. I use it on another machine running Debian/testing, but it's never had this issue.
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04:40<twb>Foxamemnon: did you check both /etc/cron.d and /etc/cron.daily ?
04:41<Foxamemnon>Yes, but I didn't see anything matching this "if" block in either place.
04:41<Foxamemnon>I get one other daily exim related cron message. It has the subject:
04:41<Foxamemnon>if [ -x /usr/sbin/exim_tidydb ]; then /usr/sbin/exim_tidydb /var/spool/exim retry >/dev/null; fi
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04:41<sheldonh>Foxamemnon: it's in /etc/cron.daily/exim4-base
04:41<Foxamemnon>Nearly identical and it has the same message body as the other.
04:42<twb>Foxamemnon: who owns and groups /dev/null?
04:43<Foxamemnon>Down near the bottom of that file? But I see no mention of "retry" or "wait-remote_smtp".
04:44<Foxamemnon>File /dev/null is owned by root:root with crw-rw-rw- permissions.
04:44<twb>Do you have chroots or virtual machines on this host?
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04:44<twb>Is root's personal crontab (sudo -H crontab -l) containing weird stuff?
04:44<Foxamemnon>No, it's a pretty normal machine.
04:45<twb>Could a different host on the network be confused about its identity, or a user be spoofing the mail?
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04:46<Foxamemnon>No crontab for root. I think I have my networks names sorted out. I'm not having any other odd network issues. And the machine is serving mail for only a couple of people whom I trust, so I don't believe there's any spoofing occuring.
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04:46<Foxamemnon>This has actually been going on for a while. But exim worked and I just ignored the problem. But, I figured I ought to figure it out eventually before something changes and it really does break.
04:47<twb>The only other thing I can suggest is to grep -r exim_tidydb /etc/ /var/ /usr/
04:48<Foxamemnon>Running it now. At one point I saved my exim config, purged all exim packages and reinstalled, but the problem remained.
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04:52<twb>You could also examine the envelopes of the mail just in case it's weirdly coming from some other host
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04:55<Foxamemnon>Heh... well, I'll be. It is coming from somewhere else!
04:55<Foxamemnon>Received: from ([]
04:55<Foxamemnon>From somebody running Exim 3.36
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04:56<twb>You're welcome
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04:56<sheldonh>twb: that was some pretty lateral thinking :)
04:56<Foxamemnon>Indeed, thank you. I really should have checked that earlier, but from To/From/Subject, it sure looked like my machine.
04:56<twb>I remember when twb@my-isp wrote to complain because he was getting logcheck mail from my ssmtp
04:57<sheldonh>twb: one of my generic advice lines for underlings is "if what you're seeing is impossible, it probably isn't happening" :)
04:57<twb>sheldonh: nah, advice should be more along the lines of "FEAR ME!"
04:57<Foxamemnon>And when you can't find the script cron is running, then it probably isn't. :)
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04:58<sheldonh>twb: sadly, untrue. i'm in the process of selling out
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05:00<Foxamemnon>Hmmm... another warning bell should have been that the timezone is wrong. -0700 instead of -0500. Clearly I need to pay more attention. :)
05:00<SammyTheSnake>I keep getting errors like "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" "Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached" and I've only got three (count them, one two three!) windows open in my session!
05:01<SammyTheSnake>I just recently restarted my X server for the first time in quite a while (as in several months) so I'm suspecting an upgrade that happened in the meantime
05:01<SammyTheSnake>Can anyone suggest any diagnostics I can do to work out what's going on?
05:02<SammyTheSnake>I just killed one of my programs and ran xlsclients, which shows 11 clients, so perhaps the error message is misleading :s
05:07<Foxamemnon>SammyTheSnake: Just as a guess, but did you really restart X? If you logged out/in maybe it didn't really restart and is still holding on to some old resources?
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05:12<krowa>I know it's not connected with Debian but: echo $_GET['action']; GET: array(5) {
05:12<krowa> ["action"]=>
05:12<krowa> string(5) "step2"
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05:12<krowa>any ideas why
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05:24<krowa>Any ideas with that ARRAY ?
05:28<sheldonh>krowa: you know it's not connected with debian
05:28<sheldonh>krowa: dunno what you meant but i read that as "i know you guys don't want to hear about this, but i'm going to talk about it anyway"
05:30<krowa>But there is high possibility that somebody knows the answer, ok going go google more ;/
05:31<sheldonh>krowa: still rude. just hop onto #php on freenode like a good citizen and help keep #debian focused on top quality debian support
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05:32<gary>se ,e perdieron las x del lime wire
05:32<gary>alguna ayuda
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05:34<krowa>sheldonh true, sorry, but I'm angry that I've that kind of problem :)
05:35<sheldonh>krowa: excellent. now channel that anger at the people who deserve it :)
05:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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05:41<simonrvn>sheldonh: they left, and were asking about limewire...
05:43<sheldonh>simonrvn: aw.
05:43<sheldonh>simonrvn: i get great results out of irc, but it generally involves a good long wait :)
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05:43<simonrvn>lamer paradise...
05:43<simonrvn>sheldonh: yeh
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05:59<sheldonh>hmmm, tough one. any idea where to start with getting oracle support into php5 on debian etch? :)
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06:08<sheldonh>twb: doubt it. i think the instantclient libraries that it depends on are non-free
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06:08<zeld>hi to all
06:08<zeld>: )
06:09<sheldonh>just another reason why oracle sucks
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06:10<zeld>i've a little problem with nvidia. if i do glxinfo X going crash and xorg.log say: Backtrace:
06:10<zeld>0: /usr/bin/X(xf86SigHandler+0x7e) [0x80c6a4e]
06:10<zeld>1: [0xffffe420]
06:10<zeld>Fatal server error:
06:10<zeld>Caught signal 11. SBacktrace:
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06:10<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
06:11<zeld>ok thanks
06:11<zeld>: (
06:11<zeld>but i've this problem..
06:11<zeld>nvidia and glxinfo and X crash
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06:15<SammyTheSnake>foxamemnon: yes, I completely killed it with ctrl-alt-backspace
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06:24<sheldonh>thank god for pbuilder
06:27<sheldonh>how do i tell APT that a package is provided? libdbd-oracle-perl wants oracle-instantclient-basic. i have oracle installed, so the libraries are there. so i want that dependency satisfied as easily as possible
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06:32<enouf>sheldonh: i forget if it's checkinstall, or another (it's not confmiss)
06:33<sheldonh>enouf: that's something else. that's quick and dirty package building
06:33<sheldonh>enouf: i want to tell apt "look, as far as dependencies are concerned, package foo is installed"
06:33<enouf>well, also quick and dirty pkg install inventory
06:34<enouf>i know - i just can't recall the keyword
06:34<twb>sheldonh: equivs
06:34<enouf>!win twb
06:34<dpkg>Congratulations, twb! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
06:34<enouf>sheldonh: /msg dpkg equivs
06:34<sheldonh>twb is the shit
06:35<twb>Some day, and that day may never come, I will ask you to do something for me.
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06:36<fxiny>!beer enouf
06:36*dpkg deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for enouf
06:36<fxiny>no porbs
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06:36<enouf>fxiny: ;-)
06:37<fxiny>enouf: ready for debconf stream ripping ? i am :)
06:37<enouf>fxiny: ahh.. is that not August though?
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06:40<fxiny>enouf: we will know soon when , saying "intevil" some ops will warn us : "intel is supporting debconf" , again ;)
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06:43<fxiny>i am campaigning against gog-magog lobbying for a firebus3 etch backport , gog-magog should call bpo to let average etch user run firebus3
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06:43<AbsintheSyringe>where can I get older version of debian?
06:43<fxiny>not for me . i have gtk2.10 instaleld in opt
06:43<enouf>hrm, firebus, eh?
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06:43<fxiny>enouf: yes , demoted from bug to bus ;)
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06:44<enouf>fxiny: hehe
06:44<enouf>fxiny: i call it firepoop
06:44<fxiny>enouf: heheheheh
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06:45<boy_sk>ej a ka naj kush
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06:46<fxiny>enouf: hard to log in gmail with version 2 , gog-magog egg heads have no sense of business , etch customers are moving to yahoo
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06:48<enouf>fxiny: aye .. btw, seen this? (note; i don't use firepoop)
06:50<sheldonh>twb: if you're ever in cape town, lean on for free beer :)
06:50<fxiny>enouf: evo ? i am a mutt servant ;)
06:51<fxiny>enouf: send2-hook '~f' 'set sendmail="/usr/bin/msmtp -a gmail"'
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06:52<alyx_vance>anybody knows freespire?
06:52<alyx_vance>they say its based on debian
06:52<alyx_vance>what do you think of it?
06:53<alyx_vance>anybody? knock knock!
06:53<enouf>fxiny: no evo
06:53<twb>sheldonh: I was thinking more like burying my boy Sonny
06:53<enouf>alyx_vance: nobody cares
06:53<twb>sheldonh: I need to work on the delivery, I think.
06:53<alyx_vance>what is the topic?
06:53<sheldonh>twb: hehe, you also have noisy toddler issues?
06:53<fxiny>enouf: ahhh there is a perl hack !
06:53<alyx_vance>so what is the topic here?
06:54<twb>sheldonh: it was a reference to Puzo's _Godfather_
06:54<alyx_vance>nonsense room
06:54<alyx_vance>better get out
06:54<twb>You can learn to troll better at
06:54<enouf> /ignore -b0z0 alyx_vance
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06:55<[R]Tim>stop spamming
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06:55<alyx_vance>dfgjlkajkg'ak'gkg'fksglkfdl;ghkhl k;skh';khl;ksg;k
06:55<twb>alyx_vance: sorry,
06:55<enouf>alyx_vance: please stop
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06:55<alyx_vance>stop my ass!@
06:56<enouf>alyx_vance: ask about distros in other non-distro specific linux channels
06:56<fxiny>shutdown sequence initiated
06:56<twb>!ops blatant trolling and spamming alyx_vance
06:56<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: twb complains about: blatant trolling and spamming alyx_vance
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06:56<[R]Tim>what kind of reason is that
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06:57<EmleyMoor> Some things need no reason <g>
06:57<[R]Tim>i'm going to fall asleep compiling gcc
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06:57<twb>[R]Tim: a *good* troll is both entertaining and has plausible deniability
06:58<twb>Hence the
06:58<twb>Hence the referral to Xah Lee
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06:58<enouf>twb: or, is atleast a "reasonable facsimile thereof"
06:58<twb>[R]Tim: probably the most notorious troll of the decade.
06:59<enouf></Three Stooges>
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07:00<twb>[R]Tim: you can find some mediocre quotes at
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07:00<fxiny></and the Iguana Chief>
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07:03<fxiny>oh yesterday i failed upgrading a gnome box to lenny , and i half failed to upgrade a kde , the most amaziong warning was : "Configuring uswsusp >> The swap file or partition that was found in uswsusp's configuration file is not active ... Continue without a valid swap space?" i said yes and swap was ok
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07:05<fxiny>i'll try again later
07:05<[R]Tim>wahaha i just finished make bootstrap gcc in 45 mins...
07:07<fxiny>ecb upgrade seems borked
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07:10<enouf>fxiny: did perhaps HDD /dev/names change from hdX to sdX on you? check your /etc/fstab, and naturally whatever the uswsusp config files are
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07:12<fxiny>enouf: no sdx , yes i've checked fstab , i've replaced my backups but i still have all debs downloaded
07:12<[R]Tim>maybe you should redownload the files?
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07:13<Czesiu>Hi. I need to reconfigure my Xserver configuration, I run dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg and only output I get is ``xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20080531130944''. How to get into debconf interface now?
07:13<fxiny>enouf: box was running fine , i had a quick look at experimental kde4
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07:13<[R]Tim>kde4 is in sid?
07:14<fxiny>dunno sid , lenny experimental can be installed
07:14<fxiny>but i won't run any kde or gnome in lenny
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07:15<enouf>i think there's one small kde4 libs pkg in lenny, that's last i heard
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07:17<fxiny>is kde4 beta 1
07:18<fxiny>to me gnome and kde are just worth checking what foss developpers are doing , i will not use 'em
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07:19<fxiny>i believe the future is for tiling winodws managers
07:20<fxiny>wide screen , xinerama support and things like that , makes no sense pushing users into click frenzy "a la windows"
07:20<[R]Tim>i think the future in window managers are window washers
07:20<[R]Tim>they always get dirty
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07:21<fxiny>a window manager must manage windows , not letting user resizion it with the f* mouse
07:23<fxiny>check awesome to see how many layouts you can have , look into xmonad to see some advanced idea
07:23<fxiny>i am sure kde and gnome are dead
07:24<[R]Tim>i still prefer kde.
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07:25<fxiny>that's ok . is good to have alternatives
07:25<[R]Tim>as a backup i suppose
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07:26<vsmatck>Is there a way to get newer nvidia drivers installed on etch that is painless and guaranteed to never leave me X'less when upgrading kernels?
07:26<vsmatck>I sort of want to try compiz but I've had nvidia drivers grief me in the past.
07:26<fxiny>kde has some great apps like k3b and amarok but then what else ?
07:27<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
07:27<vsmatck>Etch so far has never griefed me and I don't want to provok it.
07:27<[R]Tim>they have uhh
07:27<split>i got trouble with my ati drivers, after booting the first time correctly it keeps booting a black screen until i set them back with "aticonfig --initial -f"
07:27<dpkg>methinks ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a partial list. <radeon>, <radeonhd>
07:27<fxiny>i myself use xmms2 but i have to admit amarok is a fine piece of software , so is k3b
07:28<vsmatck>I think I'm looking for like an apt repository where I just add a line and do an apt-get update. Those instructions on that page are too compilicated for me.
07:28<[R]Tim>whats wrong with the debian security place
07:28<vsmatck>I'll probably just wait for lenny in september. :)
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07:28<[R]Tim>enjoy your wait
07:29<vsmatck>Why would I enjoy a wait? I'm indifferent about it I think.
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07:29<fxiny>i wont' wait , i am plannig to install lenny soon cause i want to run xmonad . that's my little reason
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08:01<split>i`m still having prolems with my ati drivers not running correctly it keeps booting into a black screen: *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x0820eea8 ***
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08:06<split>xorg.0.log: (EE) fglrx(0): PreInitDAL failed anyone knows how to fix it?
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08:09<_fang>hello there! i upgraded two days ago my lenny and pidgin stopped working. it opens normally but keeps "waiting for network" forever. there are no error messages shown with $ pidgin -d. is there anyone with the same problem? and what about a solution? =D thanks
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08:15<_fang>well. don't know if you be useful for someone here, but opening the manage accounts window, disabling and then enabling all the accounts seems to work, despite i have no idea the reason
08:17<ottoshmidt>I was told that I probably have probs with Grstreamer and
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08:17<valdyn>ottoshmidt: because the name is "gstreamer"
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08:35<Vinillo>hello , i need to install php on my apache2 can some1 help plx
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08:35<[R]Tim>apt-get install php5
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08:39<Vinillo>why cant i view my php file ?
08:40<Vinillo>any1 help plx ?
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08:44<Vinillo>why doesnt my browser dont show me the php file ?
08:44<Vinillo>i have apache2
08:44<cahoot>do you even read the error msg?
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08:45<Vinillo>there is no error messahe
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09:16<douglas>Hey there guys
09:16<vsmatck>hey sexy
09:17<douglas>i kinda need a little help with the debian install process...
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09:17<douglas>it usually works great out of the box, but for this one machine i cant get it to work...
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09:18<douglas>the install program does not detect a Marvell network card, and i'm using a net-inst install
09:18<douglas>so, I cant get much far with the install process
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09:19<douglas>do you guys know how could I get it to work? or where could I get info about how to do it?
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09:19<douglas>i've being on google for 2 days now :'(
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09:23<sheldonh>douglas: you can't net-install on hardware that isn't supported by the net-install cd
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09:24<douglas>so I should download the cd pack...
09:24*sheldonh wishes the marvell/yukon/sky2 universe would implode
09:24<sheldonh>douglas: just disc1
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09:24<sheldonh>douglas: maybe you have another nic on the board that isn't marvell?
09:25<douglas>then I should be able to install de network after I complete the install?
09:25<sheldonh>hmmm, wait... there's something called etch and a half...
09:25<douglas>I have a wireless one... Dell something, but its not detected on the install process...
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09:25<sheldonh>anyone know the dpkg prompt for etch and a half?
09:26<dpkg>methinks etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at
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09:26<sheldonh>douglas: cool. so install off disc1, get the firmware for your wireless nic onto cd or usb stick and slap it in /lib/firmware or wherever after the install
09:27<sheldonh>douglas: then once you have network connectivity, the world's your oyster when it comes to options for nic support :)
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09:28<douglas>I'll do that then
09:28<douglas>thanks a lot sheldonh!
09:28<douglas>have a great day!
09:28<sheldonh>douglas: pleasure, had a stion with my laptopimilar situa
09:28<sheldonh>woah, trippy
09:29<douglas>thanks again, bye!
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09:33<lord_rob>Hi ! I was wondering if there was any Belgian who had managed to install the ACR38U identity card reader under Debian. There are packages but still, I get "wrong certificate" error :(
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09:45<panagos_>how can i see when a package was last time upgraded? and/or get a history of local upgrades for all packages
09:45<split>is there a ati help channel on irc?
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09:46<sheldonh>split: no, although there's probably one or more forums
09:46<sheldonh>split: well, not "no", rather "not that i know of"
09:47<vsmatck>panagos_: I think you can find out about when the update was available but I don't know that there is a way to find out when the particular system upgraded the package. To find out when the package update was available I'm thinking you can look at the dates on the apt source assuming those are accurate.
09:47<sheldonh>panagos_: /var/log/dpkg.log
09:47<vsmatck>wow, awesome. I didn't know that log file existed. Thanks for the info. :)
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09:48<split>yeah, ut forums are slow and u need to register and in the end noone can help -.- :D
09:48<gsimmons>split: You could try #ati on
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09:50<panagos_>sheldonh: that's good, it has logs from at least 11/2007 :)
09:50<alfon>hello all, I have a problem with the gnome bluetooth applet under XFCE, when I run the app it doesn't work, it does not appear in the XFCE panel and the console it not showing any message, anyone can help me? thanks in advance
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09:51<sheldonh>panagos_: it's a big mistake to delete it, imo :)
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09:51<split>gsimmons yup that came to my mind too i`m already there but its not too crowded
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10:05<FoxM>Hi. I have a problem with the combination [Kopete + Jabber + Amarok + Now Listening]. Amarok is sending text with accented characters, and Jabber disconnects with a 'Malformed stream packet recieved' error. What can I do to isolate the problem?
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10:12<manu>i have a problem...i don't have sound on youtube with konqueror..what can i do?
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10:15<sheldonh>any idea why a fresh install of munin on etch would leave huge gaps in the memory graph, with only brief intervals here and there graphed?
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10:19<odla>i need to use ndiswrapper to get wireless working on one of my laptops and i need to build it and unfortunately this laptop is currently not set up to the internet ... is there any way that i can use dpkg or apt to pull in all the dependencies for build-essential ndiswrapper-common and module-assistant at one time?
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10:20<sheldonh>odla: download but not install?
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10:20<odla>sheldonh: yeah ... i want to download all the dependencies and then transfer them on a usb to my other laptop
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10:21<sheldonh>odla: you could use apt-get --print-uris ?
10:21<sheldonh>odla: then fetch them with wget?
10:21<odla>sheldonh: how does that first command work?
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10:23<odla>sheldonh: i see ... problem with the first command is that i already have those packages installed on this laptop
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10:24<sheldonh>odla: yeah, it would make more sense to do it on the host that needs the packages
10:24<odla>sheldonh: i know ... but i can't connect that laptop at the moment
10:25<sheldonh>odla: on console :)
10:25<sheldonh>odla: and transfer the results onto usb disk
10:25<sheldonh>odla: alternatively, you'll have to do the apt-get --print-uris in a minimal etch chroot (as created for you by pbuilder or debootstrap)
10:26<odla>sheldonh: sure that makes sense
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10:28<odla>sheldonh: well this way make suck but i'm just going to d/l them from :/
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10:32<Zwiebeltu>I am trying at the moment to install a SAMSUNG HD502IJ on a MSI K9N Neo v3 board (nV MCP65, AMD64) running etch. The BIOS detects the disk fine. Linux writes only "ata2: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 0)" related to this disk. Disk and board should both support SATA2 and the also present HD252 does work fine. My system uses sata_nv. I am fiddling now for 2hours without gaining anything. Any ideas?
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10:33<sheldonh>odla: sometimes, the shortcut is the long way :)
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10:36<odla>sheldonh: i know it is :)
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10:37<sheldonh>builing php with oracle support. it must be the worst thing in the world of software that i can think of doing. my two least favourite technologies. the only thing that would make it worse is if i was trying to build a mysql:oracle bridge for php :)
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10:40<_fang>hello there! i was here some hours ago with a problem that pidgin didn't connect. i don't know if anyone has interest in it, but i solved it. i was using kde and somehow the gnome network manager (nm-applet) was not connected. i switched to gnome and made it get the network again (disable, enable) and now everything seems to work fine =]
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10:41<_fang>just in case someone else asks the solution is here
10:41<_fang>see you guys
10:41<sheldonh>_fang :)
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10:47<FoxM>Anyone knows how to configure amarok's encoding of ID3? I can't change the file's ID3 encoding because it's an internet stream
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10:47<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:56<EmleyMoor>Is there any way I can stop an lsusb that seems just to be hanging?
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10:58<EmleyMoor>This is too ridiculous.
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11:11<AbsintheSyringe>my keyboard layout just goes crazy after using vmware workshop (6.0.3), debian testing, any ideas?
11:11<valdyn>Zwiebeltu: check the errata and samsungs site
11:11<valdyn>Zwiebeltu: check the errata at samsungs site
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11:17<panthera>AbsintheSyringe: you mean vmware workstation. and yes, it's a know bug in vmware.
11:17<AbsintheSyringe>panthera, yea, just found a thread on this same issue I have
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11:18<Johnny_Demonik>anyone know how to fix a GRUB error 17???
11:18<Johnny_Demonik>thought i removed grub but guessing i didn't
11:20<cahoot>removed grub?
11:22<Johnny_Demonik>i can't access my server unless i get threw this error on boot
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11:23<xsdg>Johnny_Demonik: if you uninstalled grub, did you replace it with something?
11:23<Johnny_Demonik>ya the default boot loader
11:23<Johnny_Demonik>from the disk
11:24<cahoot>what bootloader from what disk?
11:25<Johnny_Demonik>idfk boot manager
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11:26<sampit>morning... how can i check if nw interface is working?
11:26<sampit>the nic is blinking like hell, but i cant ping
11:27<cahoot>ping IP as opposed to name?
11:27<sampit>ifconfig eth0 says its not exsisting
11:27<sheldonh>sampit: i like to use ethtool to check that i've got link
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11:27<cahoot>ifconfig -a?
11:27<gass>hello there
11:27<sampit>there it is
11:28<gass>i need to access to a machine installed with etch, that has an weak certificate (because of that bug, you know)
11:28<gass>how can i procede to ignore the weakness check?
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11:31<Johnny_Demonik>whats better grub or lilo?
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11:31<sheldonh>grub is better for me
11:32<witte>Johnny_Demonik: grub is certainly newer
11:32<MES>grub is more powerfull
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11:33<fxiny>grub cli riluez
11:33<fxiny>rulez :)
11:33<sampit>NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1: transmit timed out
11:33<fxiny>a watchdog ?
11:33<sampit>anyone saw this before?
11:34<MES>whats that? a syslog?
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11:34<sampit>its popping up in the console
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11:34<sampit>stupit network, its been working... once ;)
11:34<fxiny>sampit: check it with iptraf
11:35<sampit>got no iptraf
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11:36<sampit>i see a table, whats the thing to check there?
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11:38<sampit>some googling told me to start the kernel with "noapic" and "noacpi"..
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11:38<sampit>i think im to noobish, and i will just reinstall debian :)
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11:40<witte>sampit: what is the problem?
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11:41<sampit>network is not working anymore, always used "eth0" as my nic, but after cleaning the machine, there is no "eth0" anymore, but ifconfig -a said "eth1" is avail
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11:42<sampit>so i startet eth1, but it has a Hardware adress FF:FF:FF....
11:42<cahoot>sampit: try /msg dpkg z25
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11:42<witte>sampit: what is "cleaning" the machine
11:42<sampit>get the dust off
11:42<witte>sampit: ah, really cleaning :-)
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11:42<witte>sampit: you didn't loosen the connections
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11:43<witte>sampit: everything (especially pci network cards) are still firmly pressed in their sockets, cables didn't come loose
11:43<sampit>its not onboard
11:43<sampit>but yes, i disc all cables
11:44<sampit>put all pci conn. out
11:44<sampit>well, its just the nic ;)
11:44<sampit>cleaned and put anything back togather
11:44<Vinillo>Hello, How i open a port in debian ?
11:44<cahoot>start a service/daemon
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11:45<cahoot>Vinillo: or do you mean how to change the settings in a firewall?
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11:45<Vinillo>i need to open 3306
11:46<witte>because of if you haven't changed anything, it should still work...
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11:47<cahoot>sampit: your eth0 is now eth1 ?
11:47<cahoot>sampit: try /msg dpkg z25
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11:48<witte>cahoot: but his eth1 has a FF:FF... mac address, so that shouldn't matter?
11:48<witte>cahoot: or rather that shouldn't be the problem
11:48<cahoot>I see - missed that
11:48<Vinillo>Any1 know how to open 3306 port in debian
11:48<witte>sampit: did you try getting the card out and back in again?
11:49<sampit>its blinking
11:49<sampit>so i guess its not really bad connected or?
11:49<witte>sampit: could be that only the power is connected
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11:49<witte>do you have a connection light on your modem/hub?
11:50<sampit>i can chk that
11:50<witte>sampit: the cable is put in correctly, right :-)
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11:50<sampit>switch show "conected light"
11:51<sampit>getting off when i disc.
11:51<FoxM>How do I configure the encoding of ID3 for a stream in amarok?
11:52<witte>sampit: in that case it probably is connected correctly :-/
11:52<Vinillo>Any1 know how i batch a sql file using ssh ?
11:53<toots>hi all !
11:53<sampit>yeah, think so too
11:53<toots>have any one heard about a packaging effort concerning OSS version 4
11:53<toots>available under the GPL there:
11:53<toots>many audio devels claims it's far supperior to alsa,
11:54<toots>and I tend to trust them
11:54<sampit>That was the last cleaning i ever made ;) Next time i just f***** buy a new machine hehe
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11:55<witte>sampit: do you get anything in dmesg? "dmesg |grep net&
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11:55<witte>sampit: rather "dmesg |grep net"
11:55<witte>ignore the &
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11:56<sampit>i did :) .... "audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled)"
11:56<sampit>i have to type from the other monitor, gimmi a sec hehe
11:56<sampit>"8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.27"
11:57<sampit>"8139cp: 10/100 PCI Ethernet driver v1.2 March 22,2004"
11:57<sampit>thats all
11:58<fxiny>sampit: i use a bicycle pump for cleaning : gentle and effective
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11:59<sampit>usally i take my mouth and blow the dust out, but i wanted to make it right ONCE
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12:00<witte>sampit: can you rmmod 8139cp
12:00<witte>sampit: or do first : dmesg |grep -i eth
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12:01<sampit>"8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.27"
12:01<witte>no: 8139too: eth0 up or so?
12:01<sampit>eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xb400, ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, IRC 10"
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12:02<sampit>the " ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff" isnt really normal, is it?
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12:03<xsdg>sampit: I don't think so, but I may have just only ever used that 8139 driver and not 8139cp
12:03<sampit>"Module 8139 does not exist in /proc/modules/"
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12:03<amphi>sampit: I would say not
12:04<fxiny>does lspci show it ?
12:04<xsdg>sampit: they're not identical, so if you need 8139cp, 8139 won't work
12:04<fxiny>i have two rtl
12:04<witte>huh, it says you have a eth0, a realtek, but with totally wrong mac address
12:04<witte>sampit: try the rmmod
12:04<sampit>"Module 8139 does not exist in /proc/modules/"
12:05<fxiny>lsmod >> 8139too
12:05<witte>rmmod 8139cp
12:05<sampit>"rmmod 8139cp" has no output
12:05<witte>sampit: good
12:05<witte>sampit: ifconfig eth0 up
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12:06<sampit>"eth0: Error while getting interface flags: ..."
12:06<sampit>.. is german, meaning sth like "no mathing device found"
12:06<witte>sampit: try "rmmod 8139too;modprobe 8139too"
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12:07<sampit>thats a bunch of output
12:07<witte>sampit: ah, doesn't sound good
12:08<sampit>#ACPA: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:0a.a disabled"
12:08<sampit>PCI: Enabling device 0000:00:0a.a (0000 -> 0003)
12:09<sampit>ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:0a.0[A] -> Link[LNKC] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10
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12:10<witte>sampit: does "ifconfig eth0 up" work now?
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12:10<sampit>eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xb400, fffffffff.irq 10
12:10<witte>sampit: ah, it seems as it wont
12:10<witte>sorry, no idea what the problem could be
12:10<sampit>maybe the nic is just broken
12:11<witte>sampit: did you use a hammer to clean?
12:11<victor>can you install flash from testing to the stable? any problems with it?
12:11<witte>sampit: you normally can do quite a lot with computer hardware before it fails
12:11*witte has experience :-)
12:11<sampit>i know
12:12<sampit>next time i wont let the dog do the "last cleaning process"
12:12<witte>sampit: but it could, just a bit to much static electricity... but than it would normally be completely lost
12:12<witte>sampit: hehe
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12:13<witte>sampit: you don't have a spare card lurking around
12:13<sampit>guess its no os problem now, i tried the debian mini installer disc an got the same error while installing
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12:13<sampit>guess i have bout 10
12:14<witte>sampit: get the card in and out to test it again, otherwise, it think you'll need to replace it
12:14<sampit>will try that tomorrow
12:14<witte>better first get it out, then back in probably
12:14<sampit>else i ll get into trouble with the girl ...
12:15<xid>or make some changes in BIOS . like IRQ for pci
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12:16<razaccour>does anyone know where i can find the .deb ndiswrapper file? i'm using ubuntu and would like to switch to debian, however my internet access is wifi only and i need to save the file to a disc so i can install it after installing debian
12:16<sampit>im quite new to linux and debian.... one thing i found out is that when using linux, if you have a problem and trying to solve it, there are a bunch of other problems popping up
12:17<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:17<witte>razaccour: ah, sorry, i only read until the word ubuntu
12:18<witte>sampit: that are beginners problems, you did not learn windows in one week
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12:19<gravity>sampit: I find quite the opposite, although I'm not new. I find that once I fix a problem it tends to stay fixed.
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12:20<xid>sampit, so avoid address conflict in (buggy ) bios
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12:21<sampit>i like the idea of linux and its comuity
12:21<sampit>althou i could discuss hours bout that ;P
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12:22<sampit>anyway, for my mediacenter and my laptop i wont use anything else than linux
12:23<erKURITA>sampit take this idea with you: the linux kernel is like an ant nest. It works excellently in the inside, it's quite big, and god help you if you mess with it in ways you shouldn't
12:23<witte>sampit: i don't use anything but linux for all my computing (on +/- 10 boxes)
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12:24<sampit>well im a software designer
12:24<sampit>i cant work w/o gates hell of a os :)
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12:24<sampit>lol @ erKURITA, you ever made bad experience with ant nests?
12:25<erKURITA>I had a wasp sting me near my eye
12:25<erKURITA>from bothering it
12:25<erKURITA>so yeah..
12:25<erKURITA>there's co-relation
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12:25<sampit>got that
12:26<sampit>so you mean an ant nest is at least as working excellently as a wasp nest?
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12:27<razaccour>hey i got a question. does anyone know where i can find the .deb file for ndiswrapper? i need to save it to a disk so i can install debian and use my wifi
12:27<erKURITA>sampit I lol'd
12:27<witte>razaccour: you have been given an answer already, twice
12:27<erKURITA>razaccour what chip
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12:28<razaccour>my network was messin up and not workin right sorry
12:28<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead., #madwifi @ No AR5008 support until 0.9.5.
12:28<erKURITA>use module-assistant
12:28<erKURITA>to build madwifi's module
12:28<witte>razaccour: you might consider the kmuto installer, it has extra wifi support iirc
12:28<witte>!temm razaccour about kmuto
12:29<razaccour>whats kmuto?
12:29<witte>!tell razaccour about kmuto
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12:29<sampit>witte, thank you anyway, cya
12:29<witte>razaccour: dpkg just told you ;-)
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12:30<hever>How must I configure Iceweasel to use icedtea to run java applets ?
12:30<razaccour>does kmuto have an iso?
12:30<witte>razaccour: euhm, yes
12:31<Aleric>If I open a pdf in my browser - it's not opened inside the browser window - but standalone, no window decorations (no way to minimize it, resize it, move it, close it) and it stays on top of EVERYTHING... Very annoying :/
12:31<erKURITA>!tell erKURITA -about icedtea
12:31<witte>razaccour: did you check the link dpkg sent you?
12:31<Aleric>What is the supported debian way to open a pdf in my browser?
12:31<erKURITA>witte you forgot a -
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12:31<erKURITA>!tell razaccour -about kmuto
12:32<dpkg>pdf is probably Pretty Dumb Format, or the Portable Document Format created by Adobe to replace PS for use with Acrobat or viewable with xpdf/kpdf/gpdf/evince, adobe reader (free download, but closed source) or gv/gnome-gv. use ps.gz instead!
12:32<MrJoey>In Debian, would one boot into runlevel 1 by appending "single" like in Ubuntu?
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12:32<witte>erKURITA: no, if you do without the -, it will just send it also to yourself
12:32<erKURITA>man dpkg :<
12:33<erKURITA>MrJoey appending single to what
12:33<witte>erKURITA: sorry, you lost me
12:33<erKURITA>nevermind :p
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12:36<MrJoey>MrJoey appending single to what => To the kernel arguments
12:36<razaccour>i clicked on the boot image for kmuto and it showed a page with a bunch of weird text
12:37<Aleric>Is there a way to store all open tabs in iceweasel in some way, so they are opened when I restart firefox?
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12:37<Aleric>Actually, I want to restart it with no tabs open, do some testing and THEN return the state I have now :/
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12:38<erKURITA>MrJoey yes
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12:41<witte>Aleric: killall firefox-bin will ask you the next time to restore the bookmarks (at least in the sid version)
12:41<witte>Aleric: but you cant test in the meanwhile...
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12:44<Aleric>witte: I found Bookmarks --> Bookmark all tabs
12:44<razaccour>is there a .deb ndiswrapper file i can save to a disc?
12:45<Aleric>I can then put all tabs in a folder - and if you right-click on the folder, you have the option "Open All in tabs"
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12:48<razaccour>is there a .deb ndiswrapper file i can save to a disc?
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12:55<erKURITA>oh well, he left
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13:00<witte>erKURITA: he asked a few times, he was pointed to several sites which would help him, and still he asked the same question...
13:00<erKURITA>people like to be spoon-fed
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13:01<razaccour>are all 3 dvd iso images needed to install the whole debian os?
13:01<witte>razaccour: no, use a netintall
13:02<witte>razaccour: did you find the deb file or did you download the kmuto iso?
13:02<razaccour>i clicked the kmuto iso and all it did was show a page with a bunch of strange text
13:03<witte>razaccour: for i386:
13:03<razaccour>thanks i'll try that
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13:04<razaccour>not found
13:04<razaccour>it seems its not a website
13:05<witte>razaccour: ah, some fault in the website, use this one:
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13:06<razaccour>thanks man
13:06<razaccour>whoa thats a small iso.
13:06<razaccour>is that the entire debian os or for the wifi ability?
13:06<Vinillo>how i block port 3306
13:07<Vinillo>iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 3306 -j DENIED
13:07<Vinillo>or ?
13:07<witte>razaccour: it is the netinstaller, the rest you will get through the net
13:08<Vinillo>what command i need ?
13:08<witte>razaccour: if you want the very latest: (the website is not updated i think)
13:08<witte>razaccour: all the wireless stuff /should/ be in it
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13:10<razaccour>oh ok. is there one thats not net install?
13:10<witte>razaccour: why shouldn't you want netinstall?
13:11<razaccour>wifi is the only access i have right now
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13:11<witte>razaccour: it will set up a base system, and you will download what you need in the meanwhile
13:12<razaccour>but don't i need a wired connection for the net install?
13:12<witte>razaccour: you shouldn't if you can set up your wireless during boot with the netinstaller
13:12<razaccour>oh ok thanks
13:12<witte>i have no experience with that, but this should be doable
13:12<razaccour>thanks very much
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13:13<witte>razaccour: you can just start the installer, and try if it works
13:13<razaccour>how do i send a message in red like that? to let you know there's a message sent for you
13:13<witte>if it does not find a network card, abort the installer
13:13<razaccour>thanks, much appreciated
13:14<witte>razaccour: huh, I don't know what you mean, but probably that is related to the configuration of you irc client?
13:14<razaccour>like, when you reply to a message i send, i see it in red
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13:15<razaccour>how do you send messages to where i see them in red?
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13:15<witte>!coffee razaccour
13:15*dpkg decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for razaccour, courtesy of witte
13:16<witte>you can give the dpkg bot commands
13:16<dpkg>somebody said coffee was the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation,, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage, smells better than it tastes
13:16<noflash>you camn /msg them too
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13:16<witte>and if i would do "!tell razaccour about coffee" you would get it, and you can yourself do "/msg dpkg coffee"
13:16<kurumin>what's you name ?
13:17<kurumin>what's your name ?
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13:17<razaccour>is it a right click option?
13:18<witte>razaccour: i have no idea in which environment you are working now, but on emacs/rcirc, it is not :-)
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13:19<razaccour>what i mean is when you send a message for me to read its received in red colored text, what i don't know is how you do that?
13:20<witte>razaccour: i do that by typing "!tell razaccour about <something>"
13:20<cjac>how does one get a full list of resolved dependencies for a package?
13:20<noflash>razaccour,that's cded into your IRC client
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13:21<razaccour>! tell witte do you see mine in red?
13:21<witte>razaccour: :-), something like that, read this:
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13:21<razaccour>oh ok. did it work?
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13:22<witte>razaccour: no, because you are not listening to what we are trying to tell you
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13:24<noflash>witte, he doesn't give a shit about the bot...he wants to know why what you type shows up red on his screen
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13:25<witte>noflash: i also think he has no idea what he is doing, and what a bot is/does,...
13:25<razaccour>ok, writing disc now. do you know how to get ndiswrapper to work once i get debian installed?
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13:25<witte>razaccour: you don't need ndiswrapper for you atheros card
13:25<razaccour>oh ok, thanks
13:26<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead., #madwifi @ No AR5008 support until 0.9.5.
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13:34<razaccour>it didn't configure my network during the install. i'm using someone elses wifi, don't know from where and don't know the ip address to input
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13:34<razaccour>oh i see it now
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13:42<razaccour>ok, it didn't configure my internet so i typed in my ip address, then it asked for my network mask and gateway. does anyone know how to find that?
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13:45<razaccour>anyone here?
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13:48<Supaplex>razaccour: ask your network admin
13:48<Supaplex>fxiny: bts 483803 :)
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13:49<razaccour>its someone else's router, i don't know who's
13:49<fluor->is it possible to do a debian netinst using an USB Ethernet connector?
13:50<fluor->it doesn't work out of the box - any specific module to load?
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13:51<gizmokaka>Hi to all
13:51<gizmokaka>I have a usb flash drive mounting problem that suddenly occured,
13:51<gizmokaka>for no reason what so ever suddenly i started getting this owkward error message:
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13:52<gizmokaka>unable to mount the selected volume
13:52<gizmokaka>details show something like
13:52<gizmokaka>error: could not execute pmount
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13:53<gizmokaka>ibhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
13:53<scotiobade2>Hi i just got an archos it has a usb mass storage i am using gnome on ubuntu hardy heron how do i use it with mp3 players such as rythmbox or amarok?
13:53<fxiny>Supaplex: checking :)
13:53<gizmokaka>process 27680: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs
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13:53<gizmokaka>fxiny: hey man
13:53<gizmokaka>how are you?
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13:55<fxiny>Supaplex: good one !
13:55<fxiny>gizmokaka: fine , you ?
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13:56<razaccour>i'm currently using ubuntu, how is debian different?
13:56<Supaplex>!why debian
13:56<dpkg> or
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13:58*fxiny wonders how the Supa photos were really blurry ...
13:58<gizmokaka>i am fine thanx
13:58<davi>razaccour, About a Ubuntu vs Debian I would point out:
13:58<davi>* It is maintained by its users.
13:58<davi>There is not corporate behind it!
13:58<razaccour>ubuntu or debian?
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13:59<gizmokaka>get this, yesterday after you told me i can switch desktop by only installing the window manager
13:59<davi>I choose debian, and lot of business choose debian too.
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13:59<Supaplex>fxiny: with 800 images in a shot deck, I keep only the sharpest ones. the rapid shot mode is my fav.
13:59<gizmokaka>i run and tried...... it's the last time i let my self get so inthuseistic(hope i spelled correctly)
14:00<gizmokaka>my desktop froze over :) had to restart
14:00<Supaplex>gizmokaka: excited?
14:00<gizmokaka>yep i am new
14:00<gizmokaka>newbe as hell
14:00<Supaplex>odd. why'd it freeze up?
14:00<gizmokaka>i don't know, got some error
14:00<Supaplex>self pity comments only help to stall my vigor in helping people.
14:00<gizmokaka>want to know what that is?
14:00<fxiny>gizmokaka: i did not say "just the window manager" , i know xmonad can run in kde and gnome
14:01<Supaplex>the actual error messages would be helpful
14:01<gizmokaka>give me a sec
14:01<davi>razaccour, My _personal_ opinion is Ubuntu is a parasite.
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14:01<gizmokaka>BTW i did not cry in self pitty nor am i complaining
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14:01<fxiny>gizmokaka: desktop env like : kde + gnome + xfce +fluxbox + wmii and many many more
14:02<gizmokaka>just really wanted to make it work, but didn't really sit and read material on how should it be done
14:02<davi>razaccour, I am not a debian developer, I am just another debian user.
14:02<razaccour>its a parasite?
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14:02<gizmokaka>but how do i install these stuff?
14:02<gizmokaka>i did apt-get on openbox
14:02<davi>razaccour, You should know Ubuntu has just copied Debian and added some NON Free software to its distribution.
14:03<fxiny>Supaplex: rapid shot eh ? :)
14:03<davi>razaccour, Ubuntu is just debian with some more proprietary software
14:03<gizmokaka>then I should to some configurations? and how do i install the desktop?
14:03<fxiny>gizmokaka: openbox ? that's the Supaplex fav
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14:03<gizmokaka>ohhhhhhh, it's also only a windows manager
14:03<Supaplex>fxiny: great for improving the odds of catching kids or pets in a suitable pose
14:03<razaccour>doesn't it also give back to debian development?
14:04<gizmokaka>i thought you spoke of desktop env, and he on the window manager
14:04<davi>razaccour, yes it give back
14:04<gizmokaka>so please tell me your fav and i will try to work it out
14:04<gizmokaka>hopefully with your guidance
14:05<fxiny>Supaplex: pets ? there is a lovely black cat around here + half a dozen nutcrackers and a super smart pavarotti-blackbird
14:05<Supaplex>razaccour: we charge extra for an unbiased opinion of 'wannabe debian' distros. it's no uncommon for us to share patches between each other. ubuntu has an invasivley agressive release cycle, which imo is an underlying cause to their instability
14:05<davi>razaccour, you could say too that Ubuntu release newer packages than Debian. They just release Debian unstable with some fixes.
14:05<davi>and some proprietary software.
14:05<gizmokaka>fxiny, ??
14:06<davi>Ubuntu is doing a lot of marketing. It is a business.
14:06<davi>Debian is a community.
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14:07<davi>razaccour, Do not be confused by the Ubuntu eye candy forum, etc. There is not Ubuntu community but Ubuntu business.
14:07<davi>The improved Ubuntu web pages, etc. are just part of its marketing.
14:07<gizmokaka>can anyone please remined me how to which website can i copy things i want people here to see?
14:08<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
14:08<gizmokaka>thanks davi
14:08<sheldonh>duh, i can't find what deb-src i'm supposed to use for security updated source packages
14:08<fxiny>gizmokaka: i don't use openbox , i use fluxbox wmii and some other tiling windows managers , have you tryed xfce4 ?
14:09<razaccour>but isn't copying, modifying, and redistributing what linux is all about?
14:09<razaccour>the freedom i mean
14:09<davi>razaccour, it is not about include non-free software in the distributions
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14:10<hever>Where can I download an icedtea plugin for iceweasel ? (amd64)
14:10<fxiny>gizmokaka: a paste bin ?
14:10<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
14:10<davi>razaccour, Anyhow the Ubuntu marketing is help the whole free software community making GNU/Linux more know are more palatable to the users.
14:11<razaccour>oh, i thought ubuntu is all open source software
14:11<davi>Ubuntu is a business
14:11<davi>Debian is about Free Software, not Open Software. It is not the same
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14:11<gizmokaka>fxiny, yep but already received help in that metter
14:12<razaccour>i thought ubuntu is all open and free software, from what i've read
14:12<gizmokaka>fxiny: so how do i install your fav desktop?
14:12<hever>Where can I download an icedtea plugin for iceweasel ? (amd64) Or should I look at the ubuntu download pages ;)
14:12<gizmokaka>and what is it for now? understand you will change to lenny's later on
14:12<fxiny>gizmokaka: mine ? aptitude install fluxbox wmii
14:13<fxiny>gizmokaka: i will run xmonad in lenny . hopefully
14:13<davi>razaccour, "Ubuntu is Partially-Free Software because it is made of many programs; some are free and some are not." -- Reference from:
14:15<gizmokaka>so i just do aptitude install and that's it?
14:15<fxiny>gizmokaka: but check xfce4 firts , look at some screenshots , you might like it
14:15<gizmokaka>fxiny: how do i change to it? do I need any other configuration, because the documantation of man for openbox
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14:16<gizmokaka>only said --replace and it stuck my desktop with the error i pasted
14:16<hever>davi, there is gobuntu and you can bring up an "free" system by using only the main repro...
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14:16<fxiny>gizmokaka: just log out with kdm/gdm and log in again : what irc client is yours ?
14:16<hever>Where can I download icedtea for debian ?
14:16<poepy>hever: gobuntu is dying tho
14:16<davi>hever, the Ubuntu kernel includes BLOBs
14:17<hever>like debian, too or not ?!
14:17<davi>hever, Gobuntu failed to ship a full free FireFox
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14:17<hever>ther is gNewSense which not making really sense to me, they could do their work in the debian project, or not ?!
14:18<davi>hever, "Gobuntu is Almost-Free Software. Although Gobuntu's stated policy is to adhere to the Free Software Foundation four freedoms, it presently installs Firefox, which encourages installing non-free plugins. Gobuntu enables downloading of non-free software packages from its archives, and the use of the domain promotes non-free software." -- Reference from:
14:18<poepy>davi: gobuntu will not exist after 8.04
14:18<davi>poepy, I did not know. Thanks for pointing me it!
14:19<gizmokaka>fxiny: i use bitchx, why do you ask?
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14:19<poepy>davi: We interviewed Mark Shuttleworth on our podcast where he gives the detail about the whole gobuntu/gnewsense thing:-
14:19<fxiny>gizmokaka: i use irssi in a screen session so i can detach it . switch from say flux to wmii or whatever , reattach screen and voila' : irssi still connected to oftc . check out screen
14:20<davi>thanks poepy!
14:20<fxiny>gizmokaka: same for xmms2 and rtorrent
14:20<hever>poepy, hey thats sounds interesting...
14:21<hever>I prefered gnubuntu....
14:21<fxiny>gnu what ?
14:21<hever>sounds really good. A buntu I could recommend to my friends :)
14:21<gizmokaka>fxiny, i just installed the fluxbox on a virtual machine, logged off logged in, and it just logged into gnome
14:21<fxiny>ubu marketing starts to annoy me
14:21<hever>they thought about (go|gnu)buntu
14:21<gizmokaka>fxiny: it didn't even ask me a thing
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14:22<hever>Where can I download icedtea for debian ?
14:22<fxiny>gizmokaka: pull down gdm menu and select fluxbox
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14:23<fxiny>how comes everything is ubu-this ubu-that ? too much !
14:24<EmleyMoor>fxiny: ubu-ggereditup <g>
14:25<fxiny>EmleyMoor: hehehe
14:26<gizmokaka>fxiny: OK i am sorry but what is the gdm menu
14:27<fxiny>i mean , the only places safe from ubu adverts are pr0n sites : i hope they will leave it like that :P
14:27<gizmokaka>fxiny: i tried to find some where the choice to change the desktop but didn't
14:27<fxiny>gizmokaka: you running gnome ? that's the graphical login
14:29<gizmokaka>fxiny: it only gives me log in box, nothing else
14:29<gizmokaka>sorry I am running gnome but i am new to the whole thing trying to learn everything from screatch
14:29<fxiny>something like session ? can't boot into gnome atm
14:30<gizmokaka>nothing, only username password thats it
14:30<gizmokaka>should i configure something for gnome login screen?
14:30<fxiny>gizmokaka: no worries : i know you love debian , take your time :)
14:30<gizmokaka>no it just feels stupid with these questions
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14:32<fxiny>gizmokaka: i'll boot my spare box into gnome in a couple of minutes
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14:32<gizmokaka>fxiny: thanks man
14:35<fxiny>gizmokaka: log out > click on session and select the fluxbox radio button
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14:37<cockroach>hey. small question: in my kern.log, repeated messages are suppressed and replaced with "last message repeated x times" messages. how can i prevent that?
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14:38<gizmokaka>fxiny, sec
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14:39<gizmokaka>fxiny: i don't have any sessions option
14:39<blarson>cockroach: by fixing the error causing the messages
14:39<gizmokaka>i only have user name and password fields to fill
14:40<fxiny>gizmokaka: look on the bottom
14:40<cockroach>blarson: i can't really do that, it's the ipw2200 driver misbehaving...
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14:40<fxiny>gizmokaka: last is "action"
14:41<cockroach>blarson: i just need to know *when* exactly this happens so repeated messages should be shown individually
14:41<fxiny>gizmokaka: i've already rebooted m i need that box , can't stay in gnome
14:42<gizmokaka>fxiny: it's OK dude thanx
14:42<gizmokaka>found it,
14:42<hever>Are there no ready to download binary packages for an icedtea java plugin ?
14:42<gizmokaka>yet, i booted into an empty screen
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14:43<gizmokaka>fxiny: is that related to the fact that it's a virtual machine?
14:43<fxiny>gizmokaka: nope , browse to fluxbox home page faq :)
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14:45<fxiny>gizmokaka: right click on fluxbox "empty" desktop
14:45<gizmokaka>yep got that
14:45<gizmokaka>wow thanks man for the patiance,
14:45<gizmokaka>but can you now help me with the reason i am really here?
14:45<gizmokaka>the usb problem?
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14:46<fxiny>if i cannot someone will , just ask the chan
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14:48<gizmokaka>yeh so these options
14:48<gizmokaka>who is chan?
14:48<gizmokaka>anyway, the problem is as follows
14:48<gizmokaka>i insert my disk on key but it doesn't succeed in mounting
14:49<gizmokaka>getting the following error
14:49<fxiny>on a virtual gnome ?
14:50<gizmokaka>no, this is on the real machine
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14:53<gizmokaka>fxiny: ?
14:54<fxiny>gizmokaka: no idea , it seems a bug but i am not sure . checked the bts ? "bug tracking system" ?
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14:57<gizmokaka>how exactly is that done?
14:57<gizmokaka>i will read about it
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14:59<gizmokaka>looking for something of that kind
14:59<enouf>cockroach: no you don't, and nothing short of either altering the sourcecode, or recompiling the kernel, or both would alter that - i'm almost positive the printk settings won't affect that, but may want to try some various kernel boot params [printk.time= , print-fatal-signals= , loglevel= , ignore_loglevel , earlyprintk= , debug , debug_locks_verbose= , time ] , however /some-to-many/ of those are .24 and up implemented
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15:40<razaccour>The Debian community doesn't seem "user friendly" and are not very tolerant towards "stupid questions" perhaps i'd be better off sticking with Ubuntu
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15:42<pumpkin0>razaccour: you are on your saturday-night troll-tour again ?
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15:42<xsdg>pumpkin0: :o)
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15:42<xsdg>pumpkin0: that was nicely-crafted bait, I must say
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15:43<fxiny>tony raza-manero-cour :P
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15:43<pumpkin0>xsdg: i remember that guy from somewhere ...
15:44<fxiny>same line as "help me or i'll go back to windows" :P
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15:47<xsdg>fxiny: yeah, but the "debian isn't userfriendly" thing is something that people have complained about in seriousness
15:49<path>thats why einstein said there are two infinite things
15:49<path>human stupidity and the universe
15:49<fxiny>xsdg: "not user firendly" translates in "i am lazy" ;)
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16:01<Fade_To_Black>how can I see which devices are installed on my computer and on what bus? e.g. I want to see any devices installed on my ISA bus
16:01<Fade_To_Black>command line please
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16:02<pumpkin0>Fade_To_Black: lsusb ?
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16:03<Fade_To_Black>found it already tnx
16:03<Fade_To_Black>sometimes it helps to think :D
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16:52<rjent_>is it possible to have an authentication layer to a custom debian repository with apt-get?
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17:17<split>how do i check if my soundcard was installed?
17:17<enouf>rjent_: why not use gpg keys?
17:18<enouf>split: installed?
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17:18<enouf>split: lspci | grep -i multimedia
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17:19<enouf>split: cat /proc/asound/cards show it?
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17:21<cockroach>hey. small question: i keep getting "ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting." messages again (latest firmware, kernel 2.6.22, ad-hoc mode). i thought those had been fixed ages ago?
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17:22<split>enouf and my graphig works now ^^ :)
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17:24<enouf>split: aticonfig ftw? :-)
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17:24<split>no i managed to find out ati having problems with my monitor and had to force my output
17:25<enouf>cockroach: did you install the debian way? (though i'm not sure what that is), but according to what /msg dpkg ipw2200 says?
17:25<split>btw cat and grp oth empty
17:25<cockroach>enouf: let me check what it says but i'm pretty sure i didn't :)
17:25<enouf>split: aye -f , ftw
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17:25<split>yeah ^^
17:25<split>both *
17:25<cockroach>well okay, i did that
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17:26<enouf>let me see here - i don't use wifi ... cockroach which kernel and release are you using?
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17:27<enouf>cockroach: 2.6.22? that's ubuntu?
17:27<cockroach>enouf: (vanilla) - i can't use the latest one because of some software which hasn't been ported yet
17:27<cockroach>enouf: no, debian
17:27<cockroach>enouf: upstream kernel though
17:27<enouf>vanilla == self built == fail ;-)
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17:27<enouf>cockroach: try a/the debian one
17:28<enouf>cockroach: then ensure your firmware matches version
17:30<cockroach>enouf: the firmware matches, it usually works, just every now and then i get one of those errors. i'll check with the old 2.6.18 kernel from debian...
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17:31<enouf>cockroach: i realize your firmware matches your vanilla built kernel - i'm talking abuot when you use debian's
17:31<cockroach>ah ok :)
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17:32<split>enouf, whats about alsa sound driver (or how ever that name was, so generic linux driver) is there a sound card support list?
17:32<enouf>cockroach: one of those error? i thought before you were referring to /many/ errors, so many that it repeated so often, the kernel suppressed reduntant repeats
17:32<enouf>split: lspci -nn | grep -i multimedia
17:32<enouf>split: /msg dpkg which driver
17:32<enouf>split: cat /proc/asound/cards
17:33<enouf>install alsa alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-oss
17:33<cockroach>enouf: it changes, there are times when it starts suppressing them and then there are times without any errors for >10 min
17:33<enouf>split: /msg dpkg alsa checklist
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17:34<split>enouf lspci -nn | grep -i multimedia <. empty
17:34<Fade_To_Black>How can I send files over home LAN from my linux laptop (no GUI) to my linux desktop using only command line
17:35<Fade_To_Black>and vice versa
17:35<split>how do i check if alsa supports my card?
17:35<enouf>cockroach: i want you to do it all the debian way, so if it's reproducible you file bug - or checkout BTS to see if one was already reported about it
17:35<xid>split, alsaconf
17:35<enouf>~$ lspci -nn | grep -i multimedia
17:35<enouf>00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] [1274:1371] (rev 06)
17:36<enouf>i told him 5280 times now
17:36<enouf>it's a troll
17:36<split>lspci -nn | grep -i multimedia - still gives nothing out
17:36<cockroach>enouf: that might be a problem (the "file a bug part") because i'm running some bastard part-etch-part-lenny distro atm (can't really downgrade and can't completely upgrade either)
17:37<yugiohjcj>split, to see if your card is supported
17:37<blarson>Fade_To_Black: scp
17:37<enouf>unless it's a usb card or some other piece of crap
17:37<enouf>but that's not my fault - the crystal ball is being massaged elsewhere
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17:39<yugiohjcj>split, try this : '/sbin/lspci | grep audio'
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17:40<Fade_To_Black>blarson: what is scp? is it included in bash?
17:40<split>cant find Realtek at alsa page :(
17:41<xid>split, cat /proc/asound/cards
17:41<Bushmills>Fade_To_Black: with ssh
17:41<Fade_To_Black>Bushmills, tnx
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17:44<split> 1.
17:44<split> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
17:44<split> 2.
17:44<split> HDA Intel at 0xf8100000 irq 21
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17:47<blal>Ok, peeps. Tell me this. "ps ax" shows a line starting "25387 ? Ds 0:00 /usr/games/freecraft". When I run "sudo kill -KILL 25387", the dang process still exists. wtf?
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17:49<xid>killall -e freecraft
17:51<xid>killall -e nameprocess
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17:57<blal>Mercifully, freecraft died on its own. I'll see if -e does anything next time.
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17:57<Fade_To_Black>I'm trying to send a file wia scp but I get connection refused on port 22. What do I have to do on the host to give access?
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17:59<Gene>enable ssh?
17:59<Fade_To_Black>sory kinda new to linux networking
17:59<xid>or install openssh*
18:00<blarson>Fade_To_Black: install openssh_server
18:01<Fade_To_Black>ok I'll try that
18:01<xid>or install openssh-server openssh-client openssl*
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18:02<Vinillo>How i stop a process in debian ?
18:02<michael>evening all
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18:03<Vinillo>some1 help plx
18:03<blarson>Vinillo: kill
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18:13<Fade_To_Black>how can I see what gcc was used to compile my kernel? And if I would install a new kernel compiled with a higher gcc give problems?
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18:14<cockroach>Fade_To_Black: check /proc/version
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18:23<FTB>what's the command to tell aptitude to upgrade a single package?
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18:24<oxymor00n>aptitude install should work
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18:25<joshua_>hey guys what should i install to use gnome desktop? i thought the package was just gnome
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18:26<cockroach>joshua_: gnome-desktop-environment
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18:26<joshua_>thank you
18:28<rrm>you also gonna need gnome-system-tools
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18:30<cockroach>rrm: that comes with the other one
18:30<rrm>it did not install with mine
18:30<rrm>really odd
18:32<FTB>where can I see what gcc I'm currently using NOT the one that is installed? I remember setting the CC variable to something lower than my current gcc version. How can I read that CC variable ?
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18:42<enouf>FTB: variables disappear with sessions, if you used export
18:42<FTB>enouf, tnx
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18:42<enouf>FTB: echo $CC
18:43<FTB>returns nothing
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18:43<FTB>so it's not set then I presume
18:44<enouf>unset then - try $<TAB><TAB> for a view of most in env
18:44<enouf>readlink -f /usr/bin/gcc , or ls -l /usr/bin/gcc
18:45<FTB>yes it's not there. Didn't know it was saved only for the duration of the session. Tnx for the info
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18:46<joshua_>hey guys is there any concern when using encrypted disks?
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19:09<desertc>Hi all - I am running ubuntu and I would like to set up a bootable Debian partition. What will be the most painless way to get the Debian bits onto a separate partition? Can I run the Debian installer from within ubuntu, for example?
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19:11<supaman>partition your disk so it will have space for debian and then boot a debian installed up from a CD, that is the easyest way
19:11<weasel>you are looking for debootstrap
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19:12<weasel>or just boot the installer and install it on a partition of its own
19:12<desertc>oh, interesting idea
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19:15<desertc>thank you
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19:35<Supaplex>I'm waiting for Apokalipz to FOAD :)
19:35<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, foad is "fuck off and die". Considered by many to be impolite.
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19:36<desertc>weasel: what do you think about using VirtualBox to boot the installation ISOs ?
19:36<Apokalipz>thanks dpkg
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19:41<ole>apt-get install nvidia-glx
19:41<ole>E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
19:42<ole>i have enabled non-free
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19:45<Aleric>ole: Are you using testing?
19:46<ole>Aleric, it's a while since I installed, but I think I used the netinstall for testing
19:46<ole>if the relationship is
19:46<ole>stable - testing - unstable ?
19:46<Aleric>They constantly remove nvidia support from testing.
19:47<Aleric>Therefore, I wrote this:
19:47<ole>so, I'm probably better off with stable, and testing repos in sources.list ?
19:48<Aleric>I need to add the unstable stuff (as described there) to sources.list too.
19:48<Aleric>Not really, unstable is really unstable.
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19:50<Aleric>ii nvidia-glx 100.14.19-0 NVIDIA binary Xorg driver
19:50<ole>but it usually is ok to use some testing packages from stable, right?
19:50<Aleric>I just created my own package, with the scripts from that page.
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19:51<ole>I'm sick of being in the stonage
19:51<ole>I have used ubuntu uptil now, and the upgrade process has not been very smooth
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19:52<ole>to much custom packages and stuff I guess
19:52<Aleric>Well, I pointed you to my url... read it, or not.
19:52<ole>but if testing is that much testing, I might go for stable instead
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19:55<borg->im trying to get eabi debian running on a small single board computer based on an xscale pxa270
19:55<borg->i can allready boot a minimal initramfs with busybox
19:55<borg->but when i chroot to the debootstraped debian and try do /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage
19:55<borg->it hangs
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19:56<borg->the debootstrap.log looks like this:
19:56<borg->i waited for hours, it definetely is hanging there
19:57<borg->ideas? :)
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19:59<dondelelcaro>ah; could be. Not familiar with all of the servers
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20:41<disposable>i did dpkg --clear-selections && dpkg --set-selections < myselections. now how to i make it actually install stuff in the myselections without aptitude? apt-get -f install doesn't do anything?
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20:43<gsimmons>disposable: apt-get dselect-upgrade
20:44<disposable>thank you
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20:47<disposable>if i put ztdummy in /etc/modules, which depends on rtc, zaptel, crc_ccitt, will they all get loaded at boottime or do i have to put the all there?
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20:50<gnufan>Is there a video rotate tool in stock Debian respositories - video currently in avi -- I see mencoder should do this - I think that is only in debian-multimedia - which I'm currently not using,
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20:52<DeadFishMan>gnufan: have you checked avidemux? I'm not sure if it is available on the stock repositories, though
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20:52<DeadFishMan>gnufan: I've got mine from Marillat's repos
20:53<gnufan>DeadFishMan: Looks like it is only there
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20:54<DeadFishMan>gnufan: If you're not willing to enable debian-multimedia repos, you could try to build from source I guess
20:54<gsimmons>gnufan: You can alternatively use mplayer's rotate video filter, if you want to perform it transiently.
20:55<gnufan>DeadFishMan: I drop them because of non-free elements - which I suspect apply to most of the software.
20:55<gnufan>gsimmons: I'll take a look
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20:55<DeadFishMan>gnufan: No arguments there.
20:57<DeadFishMan>gnufan: mencoder has an option to rotate 90 degrees clockwise and counterclockwise. Is that what you're looking for?
20:57<gnufan>DeadFishMan: yes
21:00<DeadFishMan>gnufan: Both mplayer and mencoder are available on the stock repos. And you probbaly need something like: mencoder -ovc copy -oac copy -vf rotate=0 input_video.avi -o output_video.avi
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21:00<DeadFishMan>gnufan: 0 Rotate by 90 degrees clockwise and flip (default).
21:00<DeadFishMan>gnufan: 1 Rotate by 90 degrees clockwise.
21:01<DeadFishMan>gnufan: 2 Rotate by 90 degrees counterclockwise.
21:01<DeadFishMan>gnufan: 3 Rotate by 90 degrees counterclockwise and flip.
21:01<DeadFishMan>gnufan: check out mencoder manpage for further details
21:01<DeadFishMan>gnufan: I hope that this helps
21:02<gnufan>DeadFishMan: I don't see mencoder in the stock repos -- I have the mencoder man page installed bizarrely.... urm Sid - x86.... so possibly it is my own fault.
21:03<DeadFishMan>gnufan: That's odd. apt-cache shows it available on my local mirror although I also got mine from debian-multimedia
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21:04<DeadFishMan>gnufan: I'm using Lenny, though
21:07<gnufan>DeadFishMan: thanks - doesn't look like the stock repos have mencoder in. I sent the video unrotated. I'll probably have another look at debian-multimedia in the morning.
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21:10<sime>is there a way to get one /home/sime/Desktopx to have differents files on the desktop of the different workspaces in gnome?
21:11<sime>sorry for my bad english
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21:46<kurumin>ola galera
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22:02<sime>is there a way to get one /home/sime/Desktopx to have differents files on the desktop of the different workspaces in gnome?
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22:33<sirderigo>hola a todos, tengo una pregunta,
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22:34<sirderigo>tengo una impresora HP F4180, y la impresora funciona, pero xsane no reconoce el scaner, que deberia hacer'
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22:34<noflash>sirderigo, this is an english channel
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22:36<sirderigo>damn im sorry, hi everybody, i have a question, i have an HP F4180 printer and i can print, but the scaner dont works whit xsane, somebody can help me?
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22:59<Juventino>i have a problem with glx on my notebook (HP 530) with chip: 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
22:59<Juventino>any idea how i can fix that?
23:00<Juventino>and when i try to run glxgears, i get that: libGL error: drmMap of framebuffer failed (Invalid argument)
23:00<Juventino>libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering
23:00<Juventino>knowing that i backported xorg to install the intel graphics driver, as it wasn't supported in etch
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23:03<dhoutz>can anyone help with a problem removing a package?
23:04<gsimmons>!tell dhoutz -about bat
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23:10<ambroski>hey how u get limewire
23:11<dhoutz>actually, i lie it appears to be removed, but it i try to install it again it still tries to install with old input i had given previously
23:11<dhoutz>package being mydns-mysql
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23:27<gsimmons>dhoutz: Use `dpkg-reconfigure mydns-mysql' to define a new configuration via debconf, or remove the existing configuration during package removal (apt-get: --purge, aptitude: purge), then reinstall.
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23:30<dhoutz>gsimmons: i've tried that. i get /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: mydns-mysql is broken or not fully installed
23:31<dhoutz>gsimmons: i've tried to purge the package but it hangs on removing configuration files
23:36<dhoutz>gsimmons: any ideas?
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23:44<Johnny_Demonik>how do i fix a grub error 17 boot problem without complete reinstall
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23:51<dhoutz>anyone else have any ideas?? :)
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23:56<xid>dhoutz, fil a bug report against that package , or look at bugs tracking system
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23:56<twb>Anyone know if "Quantum GIS" ( is in Debian? I can't find it in the package tree.
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23:57<gsimmons>dhoutz: You look to be hitting bug #465868. Note that 'mydns-*' has also been removed from Debian.
23:59<dhoutz>yeah just found the bug entry
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