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00:24<miki>xid: is it working?
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00:25<cwood>What's the syntax for dpkg's nickname lameness checker?
00:25<xid>have just looked at, not tryed ...
00:25<miki>i have ubuntu and debian ....bespin is fine compile in ubuntu but it was problem in debian with bespin config
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00:26<xid>have you seen the path ?
00:27<xid>i use gnome
00:27<miki>never mind this is style for kde4
00:27<miki>like oxygen but better
00:28<xid>lu ca
00:28<miki>and u must have qt 4.4
00:28<xid>i don't
00:28<miki>wait i made picture for this
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00:35<Bert->hello there
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00:35<MoDaX>!nickometer cwood
00:35<dpkg>'cwood' is 0.000% lame, modax
00:35<cwood>aha, thank you
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00:35<Bert->is a way to know what patches were applied, or what was the ./configure lines used to compile a .deb plz ?
00:36<Bert->coz a php works fine with the .deb, but when I try to compile it by hand, it just segfault :(-
00:37<cwood>The source deb should contain its own compilation flags...
00:37<Bert->I did apt-get source php
00:37<Bert->but I4m unable to find the sources ....
00:37<cwood>If you have a line like: deb-src stable main contrib non-free
00:37<cwood>You have to add a deb-src line to /etc/apt/sources.list
00:38<Bert->I already set db-src lines in my apt.conf
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00:38<Bert->deb-src sorry
00:39<cwood>Looks like there's a php5, possibly also a php4, but no package php
00:39<Bert->yes I speak about php5
00:39<Bert->got that
00:39<xid>miki, he's looking fine
00:39<Bert->dpkg-source: unpacking php5_5.2.0.orig.tar.gz
00:39<Bert->dpkg-source: applying ./php5_5.2.0-8+etch11.diff.gz
00:39<cwood>So you have to apt-get source php5
00:39<Bert->seems there is a patch
00:40<Bert->cwood : I did that ang downloaded the sources
00:40<cwood>ah, okay.
00:40<Bert->I('m just unable to know where are the on my disk
00:40<Bert->I 'm stupid
00:40<cwood>in your current directory when you used the apt-get source command, iirc
00:40<Bert->exactly :)
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00:42<xid>miki, wow !
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00:43<xid>with your pack ?
00:44<miki>no this is theme for plasma aya
00:44<cwood>Are there nickometer rules anywhere, I can't seem to get it past 99%... now at 99.9768% for what I'm trying.
00:44<xid>miki, i dunno nothing off
00:44<Supaplex>!nickometer *%@@()$%@!$)$
00:44<dpkg>'*%@@()$%@!$)$' is 99.9926% lame, supaplex
00:45<cwood>Looks like it doesn't get to 100, hm.
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00:45<Supaplex>patches welcome
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00:46<bbcdd>hello all
00:47<Bartman007>!nickometer 100%
00:47<dpkg>'100%' is 63.000% lame, bartman007
00:47<bbcdd>!nickometer 100%
00:47<dpkg>'100%' is 63.000% lame, bbcdd
00:47<Bartman007>!nickometer 100.00%
00:47<dpkg>'100.00%' is 93.320% lame, bartman007
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00:48<bbcdd>!damn nickometer
00:48*dpkg sends nickometer to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers.
00:48<Bert->no config.nice or whatever in the sources
00:48<cwood>thanks, I'll play with it some more.
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00:49<Bartman007>!nickometer 5f4dcc3b5aa765d61d8327deb882cf99
00:49<dpkg>'5f4dcc3b5aa765d61d8327deb882cf99' is 98.900% lame, bartman007
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00:49<xid>Bert-, some log in ?
00:51<Bert->xid ?
00:51<xid>on mentainer page
00:51<Bert->log what ?
00:52<xid>build logs
00:52<Bert->not checked
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00:52<Bert->I'm trying to compile patched debian src whit my ./configure options to see if it works
00:53<Bert->if yes, then there is definitively a bug in php 5.2.6
00:53<Bert->if not ...
00:53<bbcdd>then there is definatively a big in you
00:53<Bert->never compiled php on a sparc before ...
00:53<bbcdd>bug* I am not a troll
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01:07<xid> ;
01:08<bbcdd>night all.. you'll soon be seeing TOO damn much of me
01:08<bbcdd>as i now have debian
01:08<bbcdd>and am obsessed with learning it all
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01:10<Bert->xid, this is the version I used (5.2.6)
01:10<Bert->but it segfault
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01:33<Bushmills>segfault of an app after compiling does not garantee the bug to be in the app. it can also be in the compiler.
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02:31<Bert->Bushmills, as far as I know, there is no issue with gcc 4.1.2 20061115
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02:33<samantha->i have files on a server i want to share with n clients, via internet. i would like this to happen via some sort of file sharing system that is mountable on the client, eg samba or nfs. can someone point me to a howto to secure this in debian? the stuff i've found so far is for XP and Mac clients. I'm wanting to start with Debian clients.
02:34<the-dude>samantha-: check webdav
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02:35<jm_>there are ssh + nfs howtos
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02:38<samantha->is nfs the optimal solution for this? everybody whines at me about how nfs sucks, although admittedly, that was before i was able to get smbmount going reliably
02:39<samantha->bah. bandwidth here sucks. should stop the pr0n download, but i won't.
02:40<jm_>then there's plenty of options based on FUSE
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02:52<haxality>I seem to be unable to list directories or write data to a drive I have mounted under /media
02:52<haxality>I have 'user' set as an option in /etc/fstab
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02:53<jm_>user option is only relevant for mount
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02:54<haxality>how do I access it as a regular user?
02:54<jm_>that would depend on filesystem type
02:54<haxality>it's ext3
02:55<jm_>that simply relies on standard unix permission/ownership combination
02:56<sheldonh>samantha-: if you can make access via vpn a requirement, nfs should be fine
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02:56<haxality>so I just have to chown it to my normal user?
02:57<haxality>oh wow, that was way simpler than I thought it would be
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02:58<haxality>thanks jm_
03:00<jm_>haxality: keep in mind next time you mount it you will most likely have to do the same
03:00<haxality>so.. is there a way to make it permanent?
03:00<jm_>hmm I always forget how this works for real unix filesystems, just try to umount it and remount it and check if it sticks
03:01<haxality>hah you shouldn't have second-guessed yourself
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03:01<haxality>it works fine
03:01<haxality>ext3 remembers between mounts, which makes sense
03:01<haxality>my system would have a few issues if it didn't :P
03:01<jm_>ahh so it doesn't change ownership once you mount it?
03:02<weasel>NFS via VPN. wow. ewww.
03:02<jm_>right, so other FS-s are special then
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03:35<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
03:35<RoboShim>!install guide
03:35<dpkg>from memory, install guide is The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: and for woody: For ETCH See . Also ask me about IG </msg dpkg IG>
03:35<weasel>RoboShim: talk to the bot in a query.
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03:38<RoboShim>one question: what are the other possibilities to auto-install debian in addition to preseed and FAI?
03:38<RoboShim>thank you for hints
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03:42<RoboShim>jm_: oh, yes, you are right ...
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04:05<stahoo23>what is mean v2 in: file example.mp3: MPEG ADTS, layer III, v2, 96 kBits, 22.05 kHz, JntStereo?
04:06<sheldonh>it's a practical joke. v2 identifies the content as porn, which is embarrassing for you when you ask here :)
04:06<stahoo23>this is result $file example.mp3
04:07<sheldonh>stahoo23: or, it's the ID tag version
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04:07<hank>i have a problem with debian, nfs and ldap. i have a server running nfs-kernel-server, mit kerberos and ldap. i have one user in ldap called testuser. the homedirectories are on the server in /srv/nfs which is exported as nfs4 with krb5 security. the mount works just fine and root sees /home/nfs/testuser belonging to testuser:testuser. the user however can't even enter /home/nfs/. any spontaneous ideas?
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04:08<stahoo23>hmm in my radio (shoutcast) mp3 which have v2 don't play
04:09<stahoo23>sheldonh: it's really tag version?
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04:10<sheldonh>stahoo23: no idea :)
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04:12<Grizzly>error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
04:12<Grizzly>hlp ? :(
04:13<hank>Grizzly: who says that?
04:14<Grizzly>my debian
04:14<sheldonh>Grizzly: no.
04:15<sheldonh>Grizzly: a non-debian binary that you're trying out is issuing that error message
04:15<sheldonh>debian has no
04:15<Grizzly>and how do I resolve this issue
04:15<hank>Grizzly: you answer our questions...
04:15<sheldonh>Grizzly: what issue? you still haven't described the problem
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04:16<sheldonh>Grizzly: your problem report so far is like this "doctor, there's a peculiar green discharge"
04:16<Grizzly>./psybnc: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
04:16<sheldonh>Grizzly: to which the doctor would reply "from which orifice?"
04:16<Grizzly>i'm newb
04:16<Grizzly>i addmit
04:17<Grizzly>i'm sorry, i'm trying to make my own server
04:17<hank>another open relay and spam-host...
04:17<hank>Grizzly: you have no idea, what you are doing. you should be forbidden to run a server.
04:17<sheldonh>Grizzly: try to stick to software from the debian archive. makes things easy
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04:18<sheldonh>Grizzly: try dircproxy instead
04:18<Grizzly>how do i do that?
04:18<Grizzly>But, i've installed that libssl
04:18<Grizzly>and still don't work
04:19<sheldonh>Grizzly: debian does not install libssl as
04:19<Grizzly>oh, that makes sense :/
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04:20<Grizzly>I've installed bitchx, but i don't know how to use it :P
04:20<sheldonh>Grizzly: it looks like you've downloaded a binary from somewhere, and it's not a binary compiled to work on a debian system
04:20<sheldonh>Grizzly: if you must go outside the debian archive, rather build from source (see
04:20<sheldonh>Grizzly: where did you get this psybnc binary, anyway?
04:21<Grizzly>psyBNC Version 2.3.1-8 Linux-precompiled-static
04:21<sheldonh>Grizzly: well you've painted yourself into a corner
04:21<sheldonh>Grizzly: on their download page, it says "psyBNC precompiled releases (not supported by authors)"
04:22<Grizzly>well witch one should I take?
04:22<sheldonh>Grizzly: and it's not supported by debian. so you lose. either download the source and build it yourself, or choose a similar application from the debian archive.
04:22<sheldonh>Grizzly: i already suggested dircproxy, which is what i'm using
04:22<sheldonh>Grizzly: you might find more with: aptitude search ~Gprotocol::irc~Guse::proxying
04:23<sheldonh>(all on one line -- searches for packages tagged as irc proxies)
04:23<RoboShim>hey, psyBNC - this program I have found on one server, which has been hacked ...
04:24<Grizzly>mine is not hacked
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04:24<Grizzly>who would hack a server on 449 mz
04:24<RoboShim>grizzly: yes, I know, I think you want to install it on a hacked server ...
04:24<sheldonh>there are not stories with happy endings that start with "so i downloaded this binary i'd never heard of from this site i'd never seen..."
04:24<RoboShim>and you have no idea how ...
04:24<hank>Grizzly: how to you know, it has not been hacked?
04:24<hank>Grizzly: you said yourself you are a newbie!
04:25<Grizzly>i know
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04:25<Grizzly>cuz you can't connect to it
04:25<Grizzly>only from localnetwork
04:25<RoboShim>IMHO grizzly got access to some other's people server and wanted to installed IRCnet to join this server into botnet ...
04:26<Grizzly>Grizzly:~# ifconfig
04:26<Grizzly>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1B:FC:0A:9D:44
04:26<Grizzly> inet addr: Bcast: Mask:
04:26<Grizzly> inet6 addr: fe80::21b:fcff:fe0a:9d44/64 Scope:Link
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04:26<RoboShim>but he is just a script kiddie and he has no idea how to install this psyBNC on other linux machine ...
04:26<RoboShim>am I right?
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04:26<Grizzly>you're wrong
04:26<Grizzly>I just don't know linux
04:27<RoboShim>grizzly: learn at least a little bit linux, and then try to hack ...
04:27<Grizzly>or scripting
04:27<Grizzly>you have no idea what you're talking about
04:27<RoboShim>so, tell me, why do you need to install this program on debian?
04:27<Grizzly>cuz a friend needs it
04:27<RoboShim>why don't use apt-get/aptitude to install any of supported irc servers?
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04:28<Grizzly>he has mobile interned and it sux, he can't connect to irc, too many connections from the stupid providers host
04:28<sheldonh>RoboShim: he doesn't want an irc server, he wants and irc proxy
04:28<Grizzly>least sheldonh got it
04:28<RoboShim>sheldonh: hmmm, OK, it's irc proxy , I found only a little about this psy*
04:28<sheldonh>RoboShim: i don't connect to directly either. i connect through dircproxy on my hosted server. it's not uncommon
04:28<jm_>Grizzly: plenty of IRC bouncers/porxies in debian, use that
04:28<OdyX>bip is a good personal IRC proxy
04:29<sheldonh>welcome to the conversation, guys
04:29<sheldonh>already gave him aptitude search ~Gprotocol::irc~Guse::proxying
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04:29<sheldonh>but RoboShim's on a soap box, and i do love a good sermon :)
04:29<RoboShim>OK, grizzly, you have the answer - use other irc proxy ...
04:29<Grizzly>dude, I suck at linux :)
04:29<OdyX>;) okay...
04:30<Grizzly>next question
04:30<Grizzly>who can help me with my networking ?
04:30<RoboShim>sheldon: sorry, I don't understand this kind of english: soap box, sermon?
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04:31<hank>Grizzly: no one, unless you ask a real question..
04:31<Grizzly>cuz, right now, the linux is getting internet from the windows
04:31<Grizzly>and I want it the other way
04:31<Grizzly>and I have no idea
04:31<RoboShim>grizzly: you can use "apt-cache search" or "aptitude search" to find any kind of program in Debian package system ...
04:31<hank>i have a problem with debian, nfs and ldap. i have a server running nfs-kernel-server, mit kerberos and ldap. i have one user in ldap called testuser. the homedirectories are on the server in /srv/nfs which is exported as nfs4 with krb5 security. the mount works just fine and root sees /home/nfs/testuser belonging to testuser:testuser. the user however can't even enter /home/nfs/. any spontaneous ideas?
04:31<sheldonh>RoboShim: :)
04:31<RoboShim>sheldonh: and what about sermon?:)
04:32<sheldonh>RoboShim: :P
04:32<sheldonh>RoboShim: you can look up spoonfeeding while you're there ;)
04:32*sheldonh grins
04:32<Grizzly>ok, thanks guys later
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04:35<sheldonh>phew, the script kiddies are out in force tonight? :)
04:35<lb>anyone know what this means
04:35<lb>root@monster01(~)# dmesg | tail -n 2
04:35<lb>factorial[19063]: segfault at 208b1 ip 4038ac sp 7fffea77b2a0 error 4 in factorial[400000+5000]
04:35<lb>factorial[19067]: segfault at 20ec1 ip 4038ac sp 7fff31bc46e0 error 4 in factorial[400000+5000]
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04:35<sheldonh>lb: it means you have no grasp of irc etiquette, or just don't care
04:35<lb>sheldonh, im sorry... i thought 3 line copy wouldnt be a problem
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04:36<lb>however, i was mistaken... so, as i said... im sorry for that.
04:36<hank>lb: try counting... it's 4 lines.
04:36<lb>ok.. 4.
04:36<sheldonh>your factorial utility broke for any of a number of reasons
04:36<lb>hank, thank you for correcting me.
04:37<sheldonh>do you think i could get paid to run google ads on my face?
04:37<lb>hm, first time seeing this error... (btw, this is vanilla kernel, recompiled.)
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04:38<lb>sheldonh, you american ?
04:38<sheldonh>lb: so not
04:38<hank>anyone know where i could get support for nfs4+krb5?
04:39<sheldonh>hank: phew, bleeding edge, huh?
04:39<sheldonh>hank: what does nfs v4 score you?
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04:39<hank>sheldonh: security i guess...
04:40<sheldonh>hmmm... i should do some reading
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04:41<RoboShim>hank: any error in dmesg/log files?
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04:41<hank>sheldonh: with nfs3 everyone in a network can mount the share. the problem is that in the environment it is intended to be used in anyone can get into that network. so i have to use kerberos do give the 'official' machines the right to mount the share.
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04:42<weasel>or use ipsec :)
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04:42<sheldonh>hank: it's not entirely true that "everyone in a network can mount the share", afaik
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04:43<sheldonh>hank: but yeah, if you have untrusted users on the same network as your fileserver, no unencrypted fs is going to cut it
04:43<RoboShim>hank: you can use simple static arp records for client IPs and then limit mount only from this IPs
04:43<sheldonh>RoboShim: i think he means it's a public network :)
04:43<weasel>RoboShim: and we all know mac addresses are secure
04:43<RoboShim>hank: it's simple, other client can fake his MAC ... but it depends, how paraniod you are
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04:43<sheldonh>the problem with public networks is not that they're networks ;)
04:44<RoboShim>NFSv4 is encrypted?
04:44<sheldonh>RoboShim: i don't think so, no
04:45<RoboShim>aha, do you mean connection over Inet ...
04:45<sheldonh>RoboShim: in other words, NFSv4 along isn't going to cut it here either. as weasel said, ipsec
04:45<RoboShim>OK, thank VPN ...
04:45<RoboShim>I like OpenVPN:)
04:46<weasel>sheldonh: nfs4 with krb should be fine
04:46<weasel>not that I've tried that yet
04:46<sheldonh>openvpn for the win. openswan<->openswan is great, but interoperability with ipsec can suck my nuts
04:46<hank>the network is in a school and every pupil can get into the network by using the cable of one of the computers.
04:46<RoboShim>hank: hmmm, this log looks good, and what is the error if the user wanted to cd into /home/nfs/testuser?
04:46<sheldonh>weasel: krb5 ENCRYPTs nfsv4, or just deals with authentication
04:46<hank>RoboShim: cd /home/nfs/ -> Permission denied
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04:47<hatter>any of squid users here ? I am confused as to howto allow only one ip address access to a few sites but allow the rest of the network complete access
04:48<RoboShim>hank: simple test: under root # cd /home/nfs/testuser - it works(?) ; sudo -i -u testuser and then cd /home/nfs/testuser fails? could you paste output of # ls -ld /srv /srv/nfs ; ls -l /srv/nfs from the NFS server? and then ls -ld /home /home/nfs from the client server?
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04:48<jm_>hatter: create two different ACL-s for them
04:49<enkrypt>what is "the debian way" of disabling a daemon service, such as apache? to prevent it from running at boot?
04:49<hank>RoboShim: one second... cd /home/nfs/testuser as root is no problem.
04:49<hatter>jm_, i have done this, but only one of them is working at a time, the one which is above the other
04:50<RoboShim>hatter: "acl limitclient src IP-adress" "acl limitclientdst dst IP-adresses of allowed servers for limited client" and then "http_access allow limitclient limitclientdst" and "http_access deny limitclient"
04:50<RoboShim>hank: OK,
04:51<Guest1098>Hi everybody
04:51<hank>hmpf, gotta install sudo, that will take a moment :-/
04:51<jm_>hatter: huh?
04:51<Guest1098>If I want to install debian on a PowerEdge... what is th version that I have to install ?
04:52<enkrypt>Guest1098: that depends on the CPU in that poweredge. could be i386 or amd64. preferably install the newest stable (etch 4.0r3)
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04:52<Guest1098>It's Intel QuadCore
04:52<hatter>jm_, yeah i am confusing myself... if you have a moment...
04:52<Guest1098>Have I to install i386 ?
04:53<hank>RoboShim: thats on the server:
04:53<enkrypt>no you can use amd64 if you wish more modern 64bit support
04:53<Guest1098>Oh ok...
04:53<Guest1098>I have one more question...
04:53<hank>RoboShim: client:
04:53<Guest1098>sorry for my english ... I'm french student
04:54<Guest1098>The PowerEdge have material support for Perc6 with RAID5
04:54<RoboShim>enkrypt: for some you can edit /etc/default/SERVICE and there can be a variable, e.g. apache2 has /etc/default/apache2 and variable NO_START
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04:54<Guest1098>Will debian support it ?
04:54<hatter>oh, RoboShim , thx also
04:54<OdyX>Guest1098: just try... ;)
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04:55<enkrypt>RoboShim: yes I knew about /etc/default/*. but is there a "debian way" of altering the rcX.d startup scripts?
04:55<RoboShim>hank: hmmm, then - I usually use strace:)
04:55<hank>RoboShim: where?
04:56<RoboShim>hank: sudo -i -u testuser on client and then "strace -s 65535 -f -o cd /home/nfs/testuser" :)
04:56<RoboShim>enkrypt: do you mean, creating and removing symlinks in /etc/rc?.d?? see man update-rc.d
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04:57<Grizzly>guess who's back
04:57<enkrypt>RoboShim: exactly, thank you, that is the one I was looking for :)
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04:58<RoboShim>hatter: do you want to allow access from virtualmachine only to allowedsites but from other clients anywhere, correct?
04:58<hatter>RoboShim, yes
04:58<hank>RoboShim: sudo -i -u testuser says the usual stuff about not being able to acess /home/nfs/testuser
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05:00<jm_>hatter: aren't you missing allow for "virtualmachine"?
05:00<RoboShim>hank: but if you do sudo , you become testuser, don't you? id says id says id=XXX(testuser)?
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05:00<hank>RoboShim: yes, it does. just like when i login as testuser...
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05:00<hank>RoboShim: your strace command says 'cd: command not found'
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05:00<RoboShim>hatter: as jm_ said, you need line "http_access allow virtualmachine allowedsites" and "http_access deny virtualmachine" instead of lines 4-6
05:02<RoboShim>hank: OK, "strace -s 65535 -f -o /bin/bash -c 'cd /home/nfs/testuser'"
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05:02<RoboShim>hank: remove only quotes, keep apostrophe (')
05:03<hank>/bin/bash: line 0: cd: /home/nfs/testuser: Permission denied
05:03<hatter>RoboShim, jm_ Yes ! Thanks !
05:04<RoboShim>hank: oh ...
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05:04<RoboShim>hank: try this once more : strace -s 65535 -f -o /tmp/ /bin/bash -c 'cd /home/nfs/testuser'
05:04<RoboShim>hank: than you should see the /tmp/
05:05<RoboShim>hank: could you paste it? I think it should not contain any private info, but you can check it ...
05:06<RoboShim>hank: any result?
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05:20<twb>Is m68k a 16- or 32-bit architecture?
05:20<hank>RoboShim: sorry, had to get something to eat:
05:21<padski>twb, but 32-bit is probably the answer you are looking for (I think)
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05:22<twb>Are any Debian architectures neither 32- nor 64-bit ?
05:22<twb>e.g. 36-bit PDP?
05:22<padski>twb, define "32-bit" and "64-bit"
05:23<twb>padski: well, 80x86 CPUs are 32-bit, IA64, AMD64, POWER5, Sparc64 CPUs are 64-bit.
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05:24<twb>I guess it relates to the word length.
05:24<jm_>twb: isn't s390 31bit?
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05:24<twb>jm_: I don't know.
05:25<padski>twb, I am not aware of anything as exotic as the 36-bit PDP. there are oddities to each, depending on what you care about, eg: IA64 packs three instructions into a 128-bit instruction word.
05:25<jm_>twb: 80x286 isn't 32bit ;)
05:25<jm_>80286 too
05:25<padski>twb, why ?
05:25<twb>The reason I ask is because I'm wary of false positives on successful buildd logs for my optimizing byte-compiler package, which only supports 32- and 64-bits.
05:26<RoboShim>hank: could you copy here only one line from /etc/exports from NFS server and one line from /etc/fstab from client (or mount command for the mounting NFS on the client)? these are only two lines (or you can send them by query/msg)
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05:26<padski>twb, "Installed: 13/13." looks good :-)
05:26<twb>padski: hence FALSE positives
05:27<hank>RoboShim: exports: /srv/fai *(rw,sync,sec=krb5p,fsid=0)
05:27<padski>twb, I got that bit. is there not a test suite at build time ?
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05:27<hank>RoboShim: fstab: server.bws.example:/ /home/nfs nfs4 sec=krb5p 0 0
05:27<twb>padski: there is, but I am paranoid
05:27<Grizzly>who can help me with my networking ?
05:27<twb>padski: theoretically builds WILL fail if its not 32- or 64-bit.
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05:28<twb>Grizzly: dorothy parker?
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05:29<padski>twb, how about an using an emulator to test on a 36-bit arch ?
05:29<Grizzly>well, I have pppope connection, curently the debian is connected to the internet trough the windows pc, how do I do it the other way arround?
05:29<hatter>do tcpwrappers deny a connection before sshd ?
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05:29<twb>padski: what 36-bit arch can I emulate that runs Debian?
05:29<twb>hatter: they can, yes
05:29<hank>Grizzly: you make the pppoe connection with the debian machine and connect the windows pc to the internet through the debian pc.
05:30<hatter>i occasionally see a refused connect from sshd in the logs
05:30<twb>hatter: assuming I understand the question correctly.
05:30<jm_>hatter: ssh uses libwrap to check it before it proceeds yes
05:30<Grizzly>How do i do that hank ?
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05:30<Grizzly>that is my question
05:30<Grizzly>what I need to modify
05:30<Grizzly>I'm very noob with linux
05:30<padski>twb, a quick google produces:
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05:31<hank>Grizzly: install pppoeconf or something like that. after that set up nat on debian.
05:31<hatter>syslog showss ssd with a refused connect, so that is ssh asking tcpwrappers if that ip address is allowed ?
05:31<Grizzly>what's nat?
05:31<twb>Grizzly: the easiest would be to set up a static interface on both windows and linux, with a crossover cable between them
05:31<Grizzly>the thing is, that I have 3 pcs
05:31<Grizzly>one is running linux
05:31<Grizzly>the other 2 windows
05:31<Grizzly>i have switch
05:32<twb>Grizzly: so go out and buy a dedicated, solid-state applicance router and put Linux on it
05:32<Grizzly>I have 2 network cards on linux
05:32<twb>Grizzly: they only cost about $100
05:32<Grizzly>How do I make the server?
05:32<Grizzly>I want server :(
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05:33<twb>Grizzly: I think you probably aren't ready for that.
05:34<padski>twb, actually see: and
05:34<twb>padski: eh, too hard.
05:34<padski>twb, hehe
05:34<twb>padski: I just closed the m68k FTBFS bug
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05:34<twb>If anyone wants to develop scheme on it, they can open a new one
05:35<hank>RoboShim: any more ideas?
05:35<padski>twb, I just wish I had *that* much time on my hands (and the skill)
05:35<Grizzly>well twb
05:35<Grizzly>if you could direct me the right way
05:35<Grizzly>maybe I could
05:35<twb>hank: what are you trying to achieve?
05:35<twb>Grizzly: I can't
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05:35<twb>Grizzly: find someone physically proximal
05:36<twb>Grizzly: a good place to start is to look up your local LUG and ask about installfests
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05:37<twb> or has a list of LUGs sorted by geography
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05:37<hank>twb: one server running ldap (for users), nfsv4 (for home directories) and kerberos (for nfs). mounting the homes works, logging in as testuser works, testusers home has correcto permissions and ownership as seen by root, but testuser is not allowed to see his home.
05:37<twb>hank: ow
05:37<twb>hank: that's about as far as I got, too
05:38<twb>hank: for a differnt, but just as painful pain, try s/nfsv4/openafs/
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05:39<twb>hank: do you have an NFS/ princ in fileserv's keytab?
05:40<hank>twb: its lowercase nfs but yes... nfs/server.bws.example@BWS.EXAMPLE
05:40<twb>hank: ooh, does klist -5 as testuser list a tgt?
05:41<twb>OK, you need pam_krb or to run kinit after each login
05:41<twb>pam_krb basically passes your login password to an automatic kinit at login
05:41<twb>Incidentally, #kerberos on Freenode.
05:42<hank>i did not have to do that the last time i set that up...
05:42<hank>and i do not see a reason every user should be in kerberos...
05:42<twb>hank: well, the docs I read said to do it, so I did. But I never got NFSv4 working, although krb auth + ldap nss + nfs3 is working great
05:43<twb>hank: oh, you have user passwords in the LDAP database?
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05:43<hank>twb: ack
05:44<twb>Ah, I wasn't doing that
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05:44<hank>so you put the passwords in kerberos? and the users?
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05:46<twb>That was the theory
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05:47<twb>We abandoned kerberos because we couldn't find a GUI to manage princs (we hand day-to-day admin over to dumbass prison guards)
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05:47<twb>I don't really wanna talk about it
05:47<hank>hm ok, thanks
05:48<twb>And our Grand Vision of replacing webmin with puppet and a webUI puppet front-end was also axed, >sniffle<
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05:48<RoboShim>hank: moment ... I work just now:)
05:48<twb>jorge: annyeong!
05:49<jorge>I have installed mysql in etch
05:49<jorge>what charset uses by default?
05:49<twb>jorge: ooh, not my friend anymore. MySQL stinky.
05:49<RoboShim>hank: only one quick idea - you have no no_root_squash option in /etc/exports ...
05:50<hank>RoboShim: true.
05:50<hank>RoboShim: but root can still access /home/nfs/testuser
05:50<RoboShim>hank: AFAIK the default for NFSv3 is to make root_squash, maybe you could use no_root_squash.
05:50*twb grumbles about lack of annotations on pastebin
05:50<hank>while testuser can't :-/
05:51<twb>hank: you did the whole /export --bind mount dance for NFSv4?
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05:51<hank>twb: uhm, no. i just exported a directory...
05:51<RoboShim>hank: yes, root can go anywhere
05:51<hank>twb: do i need that?
05:51<twb>hank: oh, that doesn't work I think
05:51<kaizer>hi guys
05:52<twb>hank: NFSv4 does this whole "export a tree, then export stuff within it" thing
05:52<twb>hank: I don't really understand it
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05:52<twb>hank: BUT, if you get it all working, I'd *love* if you updated the documentation! :-)
05:52<hank>RoboShim: no_root_squash does not make a difference. at least i don't see one.
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05:53<twb>hank: did you pastebin your /etc/exports before I arrived?
05:53<hank>twb: yeah, i did not understand it either, that's why i didn't ever do that when i set up nfs4 and it worked without it.
05:53<RoboShim>hank: other idea: could you set rwx for all to this /home/nfs/testuser dir? chmod a+rwx /home/nfs/testuser and then try to cd into it?
05:53<hank>twb: its just one line:
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05:54<hank>twb: exports: /srv/fai *(rw,sync,sec=krb5p,fsid=0)
05:54<hank>i just added no_root_squash.
05:54<twb>hank: ok, that's not using gss_krb5 I think
05:54<twb>Or is it
05:54<hank>twb: sec=krb5p?
05:54<twb>ISTR the * needs to be something weird
05:54<twb>Maybe "something weird" is *
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05:54<twb>Fuck, I'm tired and stupid
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05:55<twb>I'm gonna go read web comics
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05:55<padski>jorge, dunno, perhaps see
05:55<hank>RoboShim: done. no difference.
05:55<RoboShim>hank: with rwx?
05:55<hank>twb: afair one can use
05:55<hank>twb: gss/krb5(options) or *(sec=krb5,otheroptions)
05:55<hank>RoboShim: yes.
05:56<RoboShim>hank: uch, sorry, no more ideas ... maybe later ...
05:56*RoboShim - out to lunch
05:56<padski>jorge, and
05:56<hank>RoboShim: thanks for your time :)
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05:57<twb>hank: I've given up, `cos I'm not helping
05:57<hank>twb: ok, thanks to you too!
05:58<jorge>padsky the bug is for old version, now I have 5.0.32
05:59<padski>jorge, it was tagged wontfix
05:59<jorge>ahh ok
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06:00<jorge>do you know a mysql command to know what encoding is using?
06:00<jorge>I am very confused
06:00<padski>jorge, see the link to the mysql manual page above
06:00<twb>jorge: ask #mysql on Freenode?
06:01<jorge>I migrate phpbb forums using iconv to utf8 and the same for wordpress
06:01<jm_>are you the same person that asked about this 2-3 weeks ago?
06:01<twb>wordpress of the many security bugs?
06:01<jorge>I am not the boss :P
06:01<jorge>yes jm_
06:01<twb>jorge: sucks :-(
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06:02<jorge>I have to migrate many applications and all of them have problems with the encoding
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06:02<jorge>It is horrible
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06:03<jm_>that's the problem with web apps which are not deisgned properly
06:04<jorge>and moreover the source server is mac os
06:04<jorge>that give more problems
06:04<jorge>at least for me
06:04<padski>design is a conceit. only evolution produces fitness.
06:05<jorge>both applications are working well now after migrating
06:06<jorge>the applications are configured with utf8 encoding
06:06<jm_>but are they enforcing it?
06:06<jorge>I think that
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06:06<jorge>I changed the php configurations
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06:07<jorge>and used iconv to convert to utf8 before import
06:07<sheldonh>hmmm... update-exim4.conf generates a world-readable /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated
06:07<sheldonh>this is a gaping security hole :(
06:07<sheldonh>bad default, no cookie
06:08<jm_>describe foo will list specified charset
06:08<jorge>but with mysqldump one is utf8 and the other in application/octet-stream(file -i)
06:09<jorge>and I wanted to have all in utf8 in order to prevent future problems
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06:10<jorge>jm_ that in mysq?
06:10<jm_>jorge: yes
06:10<twb>jorge: you mean, apart from Han unification, case folding, reverse-flow-direction codepoints and indeterminate string lengths?
06:10<twb>When it comes to human writing systems, the summary is: bend over.
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06:11<jorge>yes but utf8 is the best way, isn't it?
06:11<jm_>FSVO the best
06:13<jorge>what is that?
06:13<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, fsvo is For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of
06:13<jorge>describe foo doesn't work
06:13<twb>Unicode is the least worst choice if you have to support many different writing systems
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06:13<jorge>mysql> describe foo;
06:13<jorge>ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table '' doesn't exist
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06:13<twb>But it still doesn't support e.g. Tengwar
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06:13<sheldonh>bet you wish you were using postgresql right about now *duck*
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06:13<jm_>learn to use tab key in mysqlclient
06:14<twb>sheldonh: *I* wish he was using postgresql now :P
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06:16<jm_>actually it might be show table not describe that lists it
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06:16<jm_>yeah SHOW TABLE STATUS lists it
06:17<jm_>according to the docs
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06:18<jorge>latin1_swedish_ci appear
06:18<jorge>in several tables
06:19<padski>jorge, that is the mysql default collation, I think.
06:19<maxb_>yes, it is
06:20<jorge>but I have three tables with other encoding
06:20<maxb_>well, default for latin1, which is usually the default charset, though I think that can be changed by configure options and/or LANG/LC_FOO
06:21<padski>I remember learning my alphabet. I thought I was done ;-)
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06:22<maxb_>mysql has far too many charsets
06:23<maxb_>If anyone would like to explain to me what the difference between the 'client' and the 'connection' charset is, I'd much appreciate it :-)
06:23<twb>On Etch the default charset should be UTF-8!
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06:24<padski>twb, see
06:25<twb>Debian should remove MySQL just so all those goddamn shitty PHP apps get dropped
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06:25<twb>Like mediawiki, which stores the entire wiki database in a single huuuuuge relation.
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06:26<padski>twb, perhaps we could write a program to help advise users, say "vtwb" ...
06:27<twb>padski: yeah, we have that in #emacs
06:27<twb>It's called rudybot
06:27<jm_>maxb_: actually one can change it using SQL commands
06:27<padski>twb, :-)
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06:28<maxb>I know this, I'm just not clear why there are two different settings regarding to the transmitted query
06:29<tenzind>in the Debian installation guide for etch, to prepare a bootable usb stick, it says copy the files vmlinuz, initrd.gz, syslinux.cfg from the Debian archives. What/where does Debian archives mean here?
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06:31<jm_>client charset determines charset server *receives* data in, connection is what it *sends* in
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06:32<jm_>actuall no, that would be results charset - connection is what data in client charset is converted to
06:32<padski>maxb, what he said :-)
06:32<gsimmons>tenzind: See section 4.2.1 for the necessary hd-media/ files. The syslinux.cfg file is created using your editor.
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06:33<zd32nv>sorry about that
06:33<maxb>Right.... but why does the server need to convert from the initial charset, to another charset, and then read the data?
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06:33<maxb>Can't it simply interpret the incoming data in some specified charset?
06:33<padski>maxb, apparently there are exampels here: (it is all greek to me)
06:33<maxb>What purpose does the conversion serve.
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06:34<tenzind>gsimmons: thanks .. didnt read the previous pages.. :)
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06:36<rubengonc>hello! I have my sources.list pointing to both testing and sid, being "testing" defined as default. Is it possible to give "priority" to a specific unstable package over the testing equivalent?
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06:37<twb>!tell rubengonc -about pinning
06:38<rubengonc>twb, had just discovered apt-pinning
06:38<rubengonc>tks anyway:)
06:39<tenzind>gsimmons: can i use a recent lenny iso with those hd-media files from etch?
06:39<padski>maxb, one possibility that strikes me is that it might ease the quick integration of existing code.
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06:40<maxb>Well, conceptually, "interpreting charset A to characters" and "converting from charset A to B and interpreting the result to characters" ought to produce the same characters (unless B can't represent some of A)
06:40<maxb>So I don't really understand what this conversion does
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06:41<padski>maxb, look at it a different way. each of these sources of bytes is going to be using an encoding, there is a way you can say what that encoding is.
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06:42<gsimmons>tenzind: Probably a better idea to use an updated kernel/initrd. Replace 'etch' with 'lenny' in the URL you've used to access the hd-media/ files, use these instead.
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06:42<maxb>padski: Yes.... that would account for having *one* setting, but there are two independent ones (client and connection charsets)
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06:43<padski>maxb, having them be the same is only one possibility :-)
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06:50<lucas2>hello from Eindhoven NL
06:50<lucas2>I am installing Debian on my good old Pentium II 300 MHZ with 384 MB RAM, and I would like to install a lightweight X / Desktop environment with only the most basic functionality so I can administer my new server in a graphic environment :)
06:50<lucas2>I was looking at XFCE but I get somewhat mixed reviews with regard to its impact on system recources. Really, it should be as lightweight as possible to save my resources for more important stuff.
06:50<lucas2>Any suggestions which components I could install?
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06:53<jm_>don't use x on server
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06:56<lucas2>why not? (forgive my ignorance)
06:57<pmenier>lucas2: IMHO ion2 could help you.. but it's really not a good idea tu use x on a server
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06:57<Bushmills>lucas2: xfce4 under debian suffers from memory leaks
06:58<hank>does anyone know where i could get help for my kerberos+nfs4 problem?
06:58<Bushmills>"my new server" ... no need for X
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06:58<jm_>lucas2: because it's not needed
06:59<Bushmills>for two reasons it isn't.
06:59<lucas2>It is not needed and it is... unsafe?
07:00<Bushmills>one is, even were you to execute X clients on the server, you;d not need an X server on it - the machine you sit behind - which is not likely your server - would run X
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07:00<Bushmills>(which doesn't solve the mem leak problem of xfce4 - that's an X client)
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07:01<Nemoder>I haven't noticed any bad memory leak problems with xfce4, although I am running it on a modern machine.
07:02<Bushmills>and the other is - console based administation is more than adequate for server. there is nothing with server admin requiring graphics.
07:03<Bushmills>(nothing which a few graphics, served by a web server, can't give you, if you need graphical overviews of things, for example)
07:03<Bushmills>Nemoder: the menu applet, and xfdesktop both leak
07:04<Bushmills>Nemoder: try reloading a backdrop image while watching the memory use
07:05<lucas2>Bushmills: ok I get that. So I would only need shell access.
07:05<Bushmills>lucas2: right
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07:06<masterus>when a directory has chmod 2777, should not everything out inside from any user still have 2777?
07:06<Nemoder>Bushmills: I see no changes in memory usage for xfdesktop, perhaps it's fixed in lenny?
07:06<jm_>masterus: no
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07:07<Bushmills>Nemoder: no, it is still an current issue
07:07<lucas2>I suppose I'm still a bit confused by my Windows experience
07:07<masterus>so how could i achieve that? i would like to have /share, where anyone can put stuff inside and its 777 for everybody
07:07<Bushmills>Nemoder: cause of problem yet unknown
07:07<Bushmills>Nemoder: but seems debian specific
07:08<lucas2>Thanks. Goodbye.
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07:09<Nemoder>well if it is I'm not seeing it, oh well I have 4gb of ram on this machine so I'm not going to worry too much about it :)
07:10<Nemoder>I don't use desktop icons, perhaps that is where some of the problem is
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07:10<Bushmills>nemoder, mine soups up about 500 megabytes per day. up from the about 80 mb when starting.
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07:11<Nemoder>wow I'd certainly noticed that, but I don't reboot for many months and haven't had any problems
07:11<Bushmills>Nemoder: not uinlikely that a combination of conditions has to be given
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07:12<Bushmills>luckily the work-arounds are simple
07:13<sheldonh>ugh, BATV in debian exim4 with split config is a pain
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07:14<sheldonh>i wish references to the remote_smtp driver had been macro'd
07:15<petemc>i see no advantage in using the split config, if you're going too be editing it much
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07:16<sheldonh>petemc: i liked the idea of being able to drop in little fragments -- more specifically, being able to hand someone else fragments for easy installation. but yes, i'm beginning to see
07:16<sheldonh>petemc: the other thing i was hoping for was reducing conflicts on upgrade
07:17<petemc>exims syntax doesnt change much, that ive noticed
07:17<sheldonh>petemc: but now i think i see, the whole split config idea is a panacea
07:17<sheldonh>yeah, you're right
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07:19<sheldonh>petemc: and to scale this up properly in a multisite environment, we'll just roll our own exim4-config package
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07:20<matttis>I want to delete a RSA key (ssh). How do i find out, which one is the right key (ssh - known hosts) to delete if a IPv6 adress is written in that file ?
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07:23<sheldonh>petemc: does /etc/init.d/exim4 stop trying to rebuild /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated when i put my own /etc/exim4/exim.conf in place?
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07:26<petemc>sheldonh: exim4.conf, aye
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07:26<gsimmons>matttis: ssh-keygen -F foohost; ssh-keygen -R foohost
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07:27<Grizzly>How do I reconfigure my eth0 and eth1? like in the setup at begining?
07:27<matttis>gsimmons: thx, i will try it
07:27<jm_>Grizzly: with an editor
07:27<Grizzly>jm_, any suggestions ?
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07:27<supaman>Grizzly: edit /etc/network/interfaces ?
07:28<Grizzly>I don't know, I've tryed
07:28<jm_>Grizzly: use any editor you want
07:28<Grizzly>dosen't work :(
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07:29<Grizzly>can u help me, if I show you?
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07:30<jm_>Grizzly: why would you need help if you can show me how to do it ? :)
07:31<Grizzly>nobody wanna help me
07:32<jm_>edit the file
07:32<sheldonh>Grizzly: you really need to improve your style of requesting support. it sucks
07:32<Grizzly>:)) what the hell to edit
07:32<sheldonh>Grizzly: you ask for help, we make suggestions, you say "tried that, didn't work" without describing what happened when it didn't work
07:32<jm_>and bear in mind we are doing other things too, some of us have to do something at work now and then
07:32<Grizzly>I don't understand it
07:32<jm_>you can find examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/
07:33<sheldonh>Grizzly: it's REALLY time for you google for: smart questions
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07:33<Grizzly>examples is empty
07:34<jm_>it's a directory ...
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07:35<jm_>etherconf is a menu/dialog driven tool that can help
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07:35<jm_>not sure how flexible it is
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07:36<Grizzly>Couldn't find package etherconf
07:36<Nemoder>I believe both gnome and kde have network configuration programs as well if this is a desktop machine
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07:36<jm_>well it has been removed from etch, kinda tells you how useful it was
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07:40<matttis>Is it possible to get a list of every installed packages or better every package which was not added during the first installing of Debian ?
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07:41<jm_>matttis: yeah
07:41<Nemoder>dpkg --get-selections
07:41<dpkg>Nemoder: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
07:41<chandu_>Is there any way to get the terminal attributes set
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07:42<chandu_>jm_, How to get ?
07:42<jm_>chandu_: stty -a
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07:43<chandu_>jm_, But it wont show the time set to console screen saver
07:43<chandu_>jm_, I am download a dd image of size 1G
07:43<chandu_>jm_, When downloading is proceeding after 5 min the system screen goes blank
07:43<chandu_>jm_, When I press any key reappears
07:43<chandu_>jm_, I dont have X
07:43<chandu_>jm_, only console
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07:45<aleex>Hey ;-)
07:45<jm_>chandu_: ahh those, not sure
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07:45<chandu_>jm_, ok
07:45<aleex>anyone is interested in a sun e420r (4x450mhz, 4gb ram) in germany? shipping inside EU <25 eur
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07:46<matttis>Nemoder: thank, does it show me only the manuelly installed ones ?
07:47<Nemoder>matttis: I believe it shows all of them
07:47<Nemoder>matttis: you can pipe that list to a file then use --set-selections to import it on a new system
07:47<jm_>chandu_: you can change blank setting via setterm -- or powersave etc.
07:48<chandu_>jm_, Setting I know , but How I can see my setting what I have done ..
07:48<chandu_>jm_, is there any command for viewing those set values
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07:50<jm_>chandu_: I don't think so
07:50<chandu_>jm_, ok
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08:12<samantha->i'm doing a mkfs.ext3 -c -c [device]. how many test passes will it do?
08:13<padski>samantha-, man mkfs.ext3
08:14<samantha->the man page only says that specifying the -c option twice results in a "slower" read-write test, which is why i used it. it doesn't offer a clue about how slow, or how many passes.
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08:15<padski>samantha-, I think it runs badblocks.
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08:16<samantha->the default number of passes in badblocks is 1. mkfs.ext3 is now on the fourth.
08:17<padski>samantha-, these days I would use smartctl anyways
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08:17<padski>samantha-, you could look at the source
08:17<matttis>thx and bye
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08:17<samantha->i could neither figure out how to get smartctl going for this purpose, nor get assistance besides people telling me to read the man page. looking at the source isn't possible because i'm not a developer.
08:18<padski>samantha-, is it an ide or sata disk ?
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08:19<samantha->at least i think it is. i don't have physical access to the box.
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08:20<jm_>mkfs.ext3 will simply run badblocks like padski said - if -c -c is used, then it passes -w to badblocks
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08:21<padski>samantha-, and apt-get install smartmontools and then smartctl -d ata -a /dev/sda (module ide/sata and device names)
08:21<samantha->ah then it should be done next week sometime.
08:22<padski>samantha-, how big is the filesystem ?
08:22<sheldonh>man, it's gonna be good working with a cofigure.default-derivative again
08:22<samantha->padski, 500g
08:23<padski>samantha-, yes, that would take a while
08:23<jm_>probably 8h or so
08:25<samantha->it's at well past 8h. good thing i have to go to work shortly. it should be done by the time i get home.
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08:25<padski>badblocks doesn't know about block reallocations does it ?
08:26<samantha->no idea. not real interested in reallocation, only in finding and marking.
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08:26<padski>samantha-, you expect to find bad blocks ?
08:27<miki>samantha-: wd ?
08:27<samantha->when this drive was mounted as root, i was having consistent issues with fs corruption that, at the time, i thought were due to bad blocks. considering that the drive has not yet reported errors and mkfs is now on the fourth pass, my theory may have been incorrect. but making the drive slave and migrating to a new physical drive did resolve the crashing.
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08:28<samantha->yes, it's a wd
08:28<padski>samantha-, use the smart. really :-)
08:28<miki>ah I have same problem in linux with WD
08:29<miki>bad hdd
08:29<samantha->well, i'm now putting the drive in a non-critical part of the system
08:29<jm_>padski: no, it only outputs a list of bacblocks which is parsed by mkfs -- rellocation is done in hardware anyway
08:29<jm_>I have 500G WD (AAKS) and it works just fine
08:30<samantha->so if it barfs again and i lose everything on it, it's not a problem. i'm merely making it a storage drive for anonymous ftp for dave matthews band live recordings. ;-)
08:30<samantha->since the 2008 tour has started, the recordings are coming fast and furious.
08:30<padski>jm_, exactly. either sectors have been realocated and/or errors have been logged or they haven't.
08:31<miki>Jm i didn't find bad blocks ..acronis find this
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08:32<samantha->i don't even know how to count how much space has been taken up with new shows -- just two of them! -- but it's a lot. faster than i can download on my pissant dsl, sadly.
08:34<samantha->but having a bittorrent seedbox on an unmetered 10mb pipe is very nice :-)
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08:37<sheldonh>right. routers and transports and i'm done
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08:50<enouf>samantha-: have you ever run WD diagnostics on the drive? as an aside; i only recall a specific issue that seemed to only apply to amd64 + nvidia chipsets (+ more than 4G RAM??) .. where very sporadic and intermittent corruption would occur, not sure how it was ever finally resolved, if ever, or fully (posts 11 and 12)
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09:18<first-lafs>Hello people. Yesterday, i have plugged in a display projector to my laptop and: either X server, or GNOME, or GDM crassed. Can anyone help me?
09:19<jm_>check X logfile and ~/.xsession-errors to start with
09:21<first-lafs>roots .xsession-errors?
09:21<first-lafs>root's .xsession-errors?
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09:33<Zathraz>Hi. I have two Debian kernel issues: 2.6.18 : linux-headers-2.6.18-6 seems to be incomplete (meta package missing so now all header downloads are fubar)
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09:34<Zathraz>Other issue: on my specific hw. The sd driver on 2.6.24 has issues and refuses to boot
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09:35<enouf>just to follow up; has all the gory IOMMU and GART issue i mentioned earlier concerning amd64 + nvidia .. the fix was merged into Mainline 2.6.21
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09:36<Zathraz>2.6.24 issues seems to be:
09:36<Zathraz>however the kernel stops booting when my second scsi disk is detected
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09:38<Zathraz>on the 2.6.18 issue: I am unable to install linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686
09:38<Zathraz>I am running Lenny
09:38<Zathraz>any pointers much appreciated
09:39<enouf>d/l it and dpkg -i it
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09:40<enouf>Zathraz: direct d/l
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09:41<enouf>(for i386)
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09:41<Zathraz>enouf and then you run into dependency problems....
09:41<Zathraz>linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686: Depends: linux-headers-2.6.18-6 (= 2.6.18.dfsg.1-21) but it is not installable
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09:42<Zathraz>being one of them
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09:42<enouf>dpkg -i linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686....deb
09:42*dpkg removes a kidney from enouf and replaces it with linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686....deb
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09:43<enouf>why would you want etch headers anyway, if you're using lenny?
09:44<Zathraz>I know the commands. I downloaded: linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-21_i386.deb & linux-headers-2.6.18-6-all-i386_2.6.18.dfsg.1-21_i386.deb & linux-image-2.6.18-6-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-21_i386.deb
09:44<enouf>you must have screwed up security repo lines
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09:45<Zathraz>I need a modern kernel. And as 2.6.18 works (machine was upgraded from Etch) and 2.6.24 does not due to a SCSI issue......
09:45<Zathraz>I need to install a tool which requires kernel headers
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09:45<Zathraz>I would even prefer to have 2.6.24 running, but I do not see that happen
09:46<enouf>right, well - since you moved up to lenny, not sure how that would all work now - you have .24 headers or others installed?
09:46<Zathraz>enouf, security repo lines are only for stable distro's, not Lenny afaik
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09:47<Zathraz>I have .24 headers, but the .24 kernel won't boot. It hangs after detecting the second SCSI disk
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09:47<enouf>Zathraz: there are for lenny.. just a different team and not meant to be 'official', since it's not part of the Stable team
09:48<Zathraz>what are for Lenny please?
09:48<enouf>but that doesn't matter likely then, i'd dpkg --force it, or simialr - clean out your /usr/src/* (nothing goes in there but headers for me) all my kernel building (and subsequent make-kpkg and dpkg -i result.deb) is done elsewhere
09:49<diego>hi there, can you help me with a really annoying xorg dual video card problem
09:49<diego>when I enable the both cards one fucks with the other but from "Screen and Graphics" in Administration
09:49<diego>I can see each monitor fine
09:49<diego>with the correct video card
09:50<diego>but it wont let me dual
09:50<enouf>same line, but change it to deb testing/updates main contrib non-free and deb-src testing/updates main contrib (though not sure if the deb-src line matters there)
09:50<eax_>Hello :) I'm looking on the debiab download site for netinst (etch) and I'm trying to download the netinst, as said :) But there's like 21 Iso's. Which one should I choose?
09:50<enouf>!testing security
09:50<dpkg>Put "deb lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny.
09:50<eax_>This is the url from where I'm downloading:
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09:53<gsimmons>eax_: If you're only after the netinst, acquire the image with "netinst" in its name.
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09:54<eax_>gsimmons: Thanks a lot :)
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09:57<Zathraz>what will be the kernel for Lenny? 2.6.24 I presume?
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09:58<Zathraz>btw: there are no headers for 2.6.18=6. Forcing other packages creates dirs with dangeling symlinks
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10:39<todoski>how's the package management in debian?
10:40<todoski>the same as in ubuntu?
10:40<padski>the package management in debian is fine! ;-)
10:41<padski>todoski, similar, yes.
10:41<todoski>[padski]: thnks... can it be lighter than ubuntu?
10:41<padski>todoski, in metric or imperial ?
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10:42<todoski>[padski]: hahhahahahahahahaha
10:43<todoski>[padski]: can debian run faster than ubuntu in a relatively old machine?
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10:46<padski>todoski, do you have something specific in mind ?
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10:47<padski>todoski, for example, I have debian on a PXA270, can you run ubuntu on that ?
10:47<miki>debian is faster then ubuntu
10:48<todoski>[padski]: yes... i'm using a Sempron 2300+, 512 ram... only need a pc to browse the web, run office apps, watch videos and listen to music
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10:48<todoski>watch videos on youtube
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10:50<Bushmills>todoski: questions about how ubuntu is different from debian are best answered where ubuntu is made different. why should debian know what and how has it has been modified in detail?
10:51<todoski>[Bushmills]: you're right
10:51<miki>I have here ubuntu and debian...
10:51<todoski>[miki]: what do you think of both?
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10:52<miki>debian KDE4.0.8 beta and ubuntu
10:52<manuel>ciao c'è nessuno??
10:53<manuel>sn nuovo di qui,.....
10:53<manuel>cmq piacere manuel
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10:53<wnd>who broke dpkg?
10:53<OdyX>wnd: ?
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10:54<wnd>OdyX, I'd expect dpkg to answer to that
10:54<OdyX>wnd: me too..
10:55<ujwal>#/join fossnepal
10:56<OdyX>manuel: "La comunità italiana di Debian ha deciso di restare sul canale #debian-it su"
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11:11<dpkg>wmv is probably : a Microsoft video format using proprietary technologies, partially reverse-engineered. support under Debian (without using non-free software) is limited. If `strings -n19 foo.wmv` returns a URL, the file is <DRM>-protected.
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11:12<dpkg>hmm... mpeg is (Moving Pictures Expert Group) This is a format for compressing video in a format similar to JPEG. It works. or some formats to compress sounds and motion pictures, or playable with gtv or mplayer, or only similar to jpeg in the same sense that cheese is similar to pesco sauce
11:12<dpkg>rm is probably used to delete a file (syntax: rm <file>), or the Grim File Reaper, or really just a wrapper 'round unlink(2) RealMedia (icky proprietary audio/video codecs) Release Manager, the team of people responsible for managing a Debian release.
11:13<dpkg>realplayer is probably RealNetworks's proprietary media player, which can read RealAudio and RealVideo, or or ask me about <helix player>, or ask me about <real codecs>
11:13<Ganneff>please use /msg dpkg
11:13<dpkg>well, vlc is the VideoLAN media player, which can also broadcast. It can also be used standalone as a normal MPEG2/DVD player. Available in stable and unstable. Upstream homepage:
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11:26<woden1>When I log in, I have to provide the wireless password AND the keyring password. Is that the way it's supposed to work?
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11:27<Fade_To_Black>hi, I want to partition a hard disk on my laptop for installing debian. What partition table should I use? It's msdos but I hate the ms part of that. I can choose between gpt, dvh or bsd. Which one is best and why? And what do they stand for?
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11:29<woden1>You should create a swap partition twice the size of your physical memory, and an ext3 partition mounted at /
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11:30<woden1>Or just let Debian autosetup your disk partitions
11:31<Fade_To_Black>I don't like autosetup. I know how to install debian/linux and make swap etc. I just never noticed before I could use a diiferent partition table layout
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11:31<Fade_To_Black>now I want to know what are the differences between them
11:32<Fade_To_Black>I'm not planning on going to windows ever again so I don't need compatibility with m$
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11:33<woden1>what do you mean by partition table layout?
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11:36<Fade_To_Black>well the partition table layout that is written in the master boot record. It tells the system what partitions are where and with what filesystem
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11:36<Fade_To_Black>I can choose between gpt, msdos, sun, a390, solaris, dvh, pool and bsd
11:37<Fade_To_Black>I can eliminate solaris, sun and a390
11:37<woden1>What's the default?
11:38<woden1>you sure?
11:38<Fade_To_Black>debian expert install
11:38<Fade_To_Black>that's why I came here
11:38<Fade_To_Black>seemed kinda odd to me
11:39<woden1>yea, it does
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11:40<welkin>can any one tel me whether we can use Autocad 8 in ubuntu???
11:40<Fade_To_Black>well I think I'll go with gpt, see what it does
11:40<gsimmons>welkin: You're in the wrong channel for support of your distribution.
11:40<gsimmons>!tell welkin -about ubuntu
11:41<welkin>gsimmons>>>> sorry i cant understand u
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11:42<gsimmons>welkin: You would want to ask your question in #ubuntu at
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11:42<welkin>gsimmons>>>> thanks for the information
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11:46<woden1>When I log in and connect to my router, I am prompted for my wireless password AND then I'm prompted for my keyring password also. Is this normal?
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11:51<stanislav_>всем привет
11:51<dpkg>i guess ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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11:59<pde>something is mysteriously setting an http_proxy variable in my shell to talk through privoxy
12:00<pde>but I can't for the life of me find where it's being set
12:00<OdyX>pde: user or global ?
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12:00<pde>OdyX: let me check
12:00<OdyX>pde: try to grep your .* in ~ or whole /etc
12:00<pde>already done
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12:02<pde>it does however look like it's just my account... so it's probably my fault somehow
12:02*pde rereads his .bashrc
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12:04<pde>okay, here's a huge clue
12:05<pde>it only happens under X
12:05*pde regards gnome suspiciously
12:05<fxiny>adzapper+apache ?
12:05<maxb>Grep your homedir's dotfiles for http_proxy ?
12:05<pde>maxb: tried it, it didn't work
12:06<pde>and the reason was,
12:06<pde>/gnome/ was setting it
12:06<pde>funny, I don't remember configuring gnome to use privoxy
12:06<pde>I wonder if torbutton in firefox could have changed the gnome setting?
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12:07<Medalgod>you could always back up you're gnome config, reset it & check to see if the prob's fixed... just to check if it's definately gnome
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12:07<pde>(nope, as in, it wasn't torbutton's fault)
12:07<pde>fixing the gnome setting fixed the problem
12:07<pde>I really dislike the way gnome's settings appear so mysteriously
12:08<pde>it would be a lot saner if they were just a bunch of dotfiles
12:08<Medalgod>gnome settings are still pretty much a mystery to me :P
12:08<Medalgod>theyre just layed out oddly
12:08<pde>on my system, they seem to change when some gnome apps start running
12:08<pde>I run gnome-settings-daemon in my .xsession
12:09<pde>but despite that fact,
12:09<pde>I can switch to a virtual terminal before I run gnome apps
12:09<pde>but once I've opened a gnome-terminal
12:09<pde>gnome jumps in and disables control-alt-n for switching to a virtual terminal
12:09<pde>I haven't worked out how to stop it doing that
12:10<pde>(I have to do sudo chvt n to switch to a console!)
12:10<Medalgod>idk, don't use gnome-terminal much, just to start x based apps. Prefer to go over to tty1-6 and wrk frm thre
12:10<pde>as we were saying, mysterious
12:10<pde>I like gnome-terminal's scrollback
12:10<pde>and its fonts
12:11<Medalgod>admittedly scrolling can be useful when going though large directories
12:11<pde>it's pretty slow though
12:11<Medalgod>but i tend to keep my directories small & well managed so they all fit on 1 screen
12:11<pde>amazing to compare it to rxvt
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12:11<fxiny>i run mrxvt
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12:12<Medalgod>run sumit like wordplay in the gnome-terminal and you'll get about 80%cpu just priniting the results :p
12:12<pde>Medalgod: well I configure my gnome-terminals to have 5000 lines of scrollback, so I can look back through program output
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12:13<Medalgod>i hve mine setup for 500lines (default)
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12:19<xid>pde, Edit> Current Profile> Scrolling > History> 100.000 lines + 63671 kilo octets
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12:40<hever>How can I play dvds in debian ? I installed xine and ogle and smplayer from debian-multimedia but xine for example tells me it founds no modules. libdvdcss2 is installed...
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12:43<themill>!dvd playback
12:43<dpkg>To play DVDs, you need some media playing software (ask me about <dvd> for some suggestions on viewers). You will also need libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdread3 w32codecs some of which are in <> (see <libdvdcss> <w32codecs>). You will also need to set a region on your dvd player if you have never done so before using regionset. Also ask me about <dvd playback troubleshooting>.
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12:50<vlad>hey ppl
12:50<vlad>can somebody help me install envy in debian 4.r03?
12:52<vlad>i mean in debian 4
12:52<cahoot>I doubt you'll get any support for that step here
12:52<vlad>why that?
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12:54<hever>dpkg doesn't know something about dvd playback troubleshooting
12:54<dpkg>hever: I give up, what is it?
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12:58<cahoot>not recommended as I understand it
12:58<cahoot>why do you wish to?
12:59<hever>It can play "normal" DVD's but not a selfmade DVD that plays in my dvd player
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13:03<themill>literal dvd playback troubleshooting
13:03<themill>dpkg: literal dvd playback troubleshooting
13:03<dpkg>"dvd playback troubleshooting" is "dvd playback works better with a direct rendering layer (shm or xv) running within X and dma turned on for your drive. You will probably need dvd decoding software, so ask me about <debian-multimedia>. You probably need to set a region on the drive too, even if you are going to use deCSS for non-region discs (package regionset). Also see"
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13:04<themill>dpkg: dvd playback troubleshooting
13:04<dpkg>wish i knew, themill
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13:04<themill>dpkg: you're stupid
13:04<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, themill
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13:07<themill>dpkg: dvd playback troubleshooting =~ s/dvd playback/<reply>DVD playback/
13:07<dpkg>OK, themill
13:07<themill>dpkg: dvd playback troubleshooting
13:07<dpkg>DVD playback works better with a direct rendering layer (shm or xv) running within X and dma turned on for your drive. You will probably need dvd decoding software, so ask me about <debian-multimedia>. You probably need to set a region on the drive too, even if you are going to use deCSS for non-region discs (package regionset). Also see
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13:08<themill>dondelelcaro: did you get anywhere with dpkg refusing to show factoids unless you put <reply> at the front of them? You can add "dvd playback troubleshooting" to the list of misbehaving factoids... but it doesn't have quotes in it :(
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13:17<gsimmons>dondelelcaro: Also add "alsa one-liner" if not already known.
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13:22<format_c>I guess I do not understand irssi correctyle
13:22<format_c> /win new split
13:22<format_c>makes the window split into two horizontal windows
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13:22<format_c>But how do I get a channel into the newly created subwindow?
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13:33<hever>My problem is I have to put a video from a DVD on a homepage. k3b for example tells me the DVD is empty but my DVD player plays the DVD.
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13:37<hever>What can I do or what is the problem? Seems k3b doesnt know the filesystem...
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13:42<kop>hever : Try dvdbackup
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13:44<hever>kop, gives me "Cannot open specified device /dev/dvd - check your DVD device"
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13:45<hever>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc
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13:58<hever>Perhaps must I load other kernel modules than just udf and iso9660, but what ?
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14:02<alderson>hello all, somebody use a ibmX31 laptop working with bluetooth
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14:11<themill>Go staff :)
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14:19<enouf>alderson: have you seen
14:20<alderson>enouf: I'dont remeber wait...
14:21<enouf>hever: how about file -s /dev/hdc ?
14:22<enouf>hever: isoinfo -d dev=/dev/hdc (all assuming hdc is your DVD drive)
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14:23<fxiny>enouf: do you like this name ? : suckzilla3-rc1 ;)
14:23<enouf>hever: you can try k9copy, vobcopy, ffmpeg, transcode, etc ..or mplayer and use the dumpstream option
14:24<enouf>fxiny: not too shabby - no porbs ;-)
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14:25<enouf>fxiny: i still gotta stick with my 'firepoop' nomenclature - it's like something you order at a very spicy and hot serving food restaurant :-P
14:25<amphi>enouf: midori is making good progress
14:26<alderson>enouf: it's fine, I'm going to take a look, thanks...
14:26<enouf>amphi: almost ready for me to take it for a test drive eh? ;-)
14:26<enouf>alderson: ok, sure
14:27<amphi>enouf: yeah; I have a weird segfault in a storm of signals on quit, but otherwise it's working well
14:27<enouf>hrm ..
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14:28<enouf>i quit my browser as often as i reboot :-P
14:28<amphi>the backtrace went to 12000 lines before I gave up on it, the same four lines repeated
14:29<fxiny>enouf: yeahh firepoop is ok , i'll tell my personal guru "Lee O'Nerd -Dev Inches" to store it ;)
14:29<amphi>yes, segfault on quit is not a serious issue, except that config changes are not saved
14:29<enouf>and to think .. the kde/konq crash backtraces used to drive me nuts - and they were at most a few thousand lines
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14:30<enouf>amphi: "except that config changes are not saved" < == serious issue to me ;-)
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14:30<amphi>not if you never restart the browser ;)
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14:30<enouf>except, .. right, if i don't ever quit, no worries :-0
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14:34<enouf>i don't know whether to take a shower .. or turn on the AC .. maybe i'll do both ;-)
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14:35<amphi>pneumonia FTW!
14:36<fxiny>enouf: yeahhh one side at the time ;)
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14:45<joshua_>hey guys i was wondering what some good tools for network security / administration would be?
14:46<ali3n0>joshua_: for what kind of task?
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14:47<joshua_>well i just want to get more into network security and just wanted to know some tools i should learn
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14:47<vlad>hi ppl can i make a question here for installing pidgin?
14:48<joshua_>just ask the question
14:48<vlad>im having an erro "Use --disable-screensaver if you do not need XScreenSaver extension support,
14:48<vlad>this is required for detecting idle time by mouse and keyboard usage."
14:48<vlad>what can i do there?
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14:49<sheldonh>petemc, you here?
14:50<badana>hi guys
14:50<badana>i can login to my box with ssh, but not with console. where shall i look to unlock it?
14:51<E0x>maybe you are type wrong the password, try type the password in the user field for get saw if are not any wrong mapping of the keyboards
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14:52<badana>no i mean, that it does not ask for user or password
14:52<badana>i just see the various system messages
14:52<badana>strange eh?
14:52<E0x>badana: hmm , try alt+f3
14:52<E0x>o other funtion keys
14:53<panagos>badana: what does tty output?
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14:54<badana>i login to console through ssh...that's something my webhost provides....i login with putty. so alt + f keys do not work for me
14:54<badana>just a min panagos i ll prepare a pastebin
14:54<panagos>badana: it's one line only... :)
14:54<badana>last line is Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local).
14:55<badana>and that's all
14:55<ali3n0>joshua_: dunno, maybe read "nmap" man page
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14:56<panagos>badana: ahh, sorry, my fault :) (how could you type a command if you don't get a shell?)
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14:56<badana>Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd* sadc not enabled in /etc/default/sysstat, not starting.
14:56<badana>does this error message maybe is in fault?
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14:56<badana>u cannot type any command, except if i login remotely through ssh directly.
14:56<panagos>badana: well, did you run sshd (in the server) before you tried to login?
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14:57<E0x>i think is a ip kvm
14:57<E0x>right ?
14:57<badana>sshd is running automatically. i did not start it manually
14:58<E0x>badana: i don't understand what do you mean about that you login to the console trough ssh
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14:58<E0x>is a kvm-ip or something ?
14:59<badana>my webhost is running vps on xen. i login with ssh to their console access interface
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14:59<panagos>badana: did you do any changes to the sshd configuration after installing from apt?
14:59<badana>i put a lot of various security programs without configuring them. maybe one of them did the problem (blush)
15:00<panagos>badana: aha, so sshd is not running in your debian machine
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15:01<badana>another instance of sshd is running at my machine.. this is another story...i just ask now for the console login. somehow it is prohibited..i can't see even the user/pass screen
15:01<panagos>badana: it's really strange, looks like they are having problems with *their* configuration
15:01<badana>thanks a lot
15:01<E0x>badana: explain it well , you need console access to a virtual machine , right ?
15:02<panagos>badana: maybe the machine was still booting when you tried to login? :|
15:02<badana>E0x: right
15:02<panagos>badana: try deleting ~/.ssh/known_hosts and trying again (of course back it somewhere up :)
15:02<badana>panagos: no
15:03<badana>panagos: let me see
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15:03<badana>panagos: i dont have such a file
15:03<panagos>badana: strange...
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15:04<badana>actually i can locate it only at my old system backup. not at my new system setup.
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15:04<badana>actually i have only a backup of it. let me see
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15:04<panagos>badana: normally this file is created whenever you connect through ssh, it stores the public keys you know
15:04<badana>i read some pages about /etc/securetty. but i also dont have this file. does debian has such file?
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15:04<E0x>badana: what command are you using for get ( or try get ) the console acces to the virtual machine ?
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15:05<badana>panagos: u know what? now i remember. once i deleted everything at my root directory! all the seting files!
15:05<badana>i ll try by copying old config file. because now i dont even have .ssh files
15:05<badana>sorry panagos (blush) :)
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15:06<panagos>badana: well, at least you found the problem! :)
15:06<badana>E0x: at my webhost i can ssh at their machine. then i can have console access to my vps.
15:06<badana>panagos: let me see if this is the problem finally
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15:10<badana>this did not fix the problem
15:10<panagos>badana: but how are you gonna restore the files, if you can't get shell access?
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15:11<badana>i have access through ssh through network to the box. but i must fix the console access also
15:11<panagos>badana: the various system messages you see, are they from your own machine, or from the remote one?
15:11<badana>there are webhosts that permit that
15:11<badana>they are from remote machine
15:11<badana>debian needs securetty?
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15:12<panagos>badana: i don't know. but on my debian machine, i have installed ssh and sshd, and it worked without further configuration
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15:13<badana>ok thanks
15:13<badana>i ll check again tomorrow
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16:01<viki>Hi can anybody help me in the following issue: I have a debian testing and sometimes when I boot my system it hangs with the following message: "Begin: Waiting for root filesystem..." Has anybody seen the same? What is the solution in order to avoid it?
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16:02<ali3n0>viki: define "sometimes"
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16:04<ali3n0>wiki: anyway, are you sure about the disk health? maybe run fsck and see if something wrong with the filesystem
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16:04<viki>ali3n0: every third/fourth boot
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16:05<themill>!waiting root
16:05<dpkg>If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root>
16:05<themill>but that should be every time not sometimes
16:06<viki>ali3n0: disk seems healthy
16:06<Azhrarn>so, I've found that one of my servers was apparently installed with i686, and has more then 4 gigs of ram. Is it feasible to install linux-image-2.6.25-2-amd64 and then dist-upgrade to amd64? Or just bite the bullet and install 64 from scratch
16:06<Azhrarn>err x86 even
16:07<ali3n0>themill: yeah, that's puzzling indeed
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16:07<amphi>Azhrarn: you can't 'upgrade' from 32 bit to 64 bit AFAIL
16:07<amphi>er, AFAIK
16:08<Azhrarn>taht's what I figured
16:08<Azhrarn>was wondering if anyone had tried it, would save some time
16:08<dondelelcaro>Azhrarn: you can, however, use the amd64 kernel. You'll have to upgrade using a chroot or similar.
16:08<Azhrarn>yeah, my issue is I need mysqld to be running as 64bit to address more ram, which will start introducing a mess of mixed libs
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16:09<Azhrarn>was seeing mysterious out of memory errors, and after a week of tweaking, realized it wasn't capable of addressing the ram
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16:09<Azhrarn>right now it has a bigmem kernel, which should be fine for multiple processes I think, but I can't force mysql to spawn children as far as I know
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16:11<seanius>Azhrarn: one option as dondelelcaro mentioned would be to use a 64-bit kernel and then set up a 64-bit chroot in which you install mysqld
16:11<Azhrarn>ahh good point
16:11<seanius>something like schroot might be helpful for that
16:11<Azhrarn>any idea if there's binary incompatibilites for mysql's data directory with 64 bit?
16:11<dondelelcaro>it may also be easier just to reinstall; really depends on what you're doing
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16:11<Azhrarn>or will it have to be a full dump and import
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16:12<dondelelcaro>Azhrarn: I don't remember running into them, but I'd have a full dump ready anyway
16:12<seanius>"just in case"
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16:12<Azhrarn>I have slaves, just want to avoid it, as a dump would take several hours
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16:12<Azhrarn>I'm probably going to install amd64 on a single HD lcoally and then just down the machine and swap it in to save time
16:13<Azhrarn>thanks for the tips
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16:14<Azhrarn>the machine was set up a couple years ago and I didn't trust 64bit back then to be stable enough for the server, kicking myself now as I didn't consider the mem issue
16:14<dondelelcaro>Azhrarn: well, you probably should have dumps around anyway; I've had mysql blow away the table files before
16:15<jagerman>It's a feature :)
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16:15<Azhrarn>it backs up to several slaves
16:15<jagerman>It's faster to drop all the data now and then. :)
16:15<Azhrarn>yeah, although I can't lock the tables for long enough to dump some or I get complaints
16:15<Azhrarn>replicate to slaves, and dump the slaves :)
16:16<Azhrarn>although replication wasn't working for several weeks because of some insert it didn't like... /wrists
16:17<sim>hi, i m experiencing some troubles in trying to install the flashplugin-nonfree with firefox3
16:17<sim>i already installed the flashplugin-nonfree but it does not work
16:18<Azhrarn>is firefox even in the archive currently?
16:18<sim>no ... i dowloaded it from the mozilla site
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16:19<Azhrarn>is firefox3 out of beta?
16:19<sim>you know it :b
16:20<Azhrarn>that may be why it doesn't work ;)
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16:20<Azhrarn>does the firefox addon manager have a flash plugin?
16:21<Azhrarn>you may be able to grab it directly via firefox
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16:22<sim>yeah, i notice that the plugin was missing and propose me to download it, which I did, but does not work again
16:22<sim>( not I, it )
16:22<schatan>hi... i just installed lenny with gnome and compiz... but gtk-window-decoration doesnt work :(
16:23<Azhrarn>hmm, not sure
16:23<schatan>also i cannot find emerald
16:23<schatan>added non-free and contrib
16:23<seanius>schatan: compiz in lenny is broken for another 24-48 hours
16:23<schatan>what is broken?
16:23<schatan>the ccp plugin error?
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16:24<seanius>maybe longer. the problem is there's a mix of different versions of compiz and c-f in lenny right now
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16:24<samantha->so i have a server. i need to connect mountable file sharing (eg nfs or smb) to multiple clients. said multiple clients may appear from any IP. i found an ssh tunnel howto for nfs, but it seems to depend on the clients having static ips, which is not possible. i'm thinking, perhaps stupidly, that the best way to accomplish this is to set up a dummy private network 172.16.x.x and use that for multiple openvpn clients, and t
16:24<seanius>if you get the un-migrated packages from sid it might fix things though, not sure
16:24<samantha->hen have samba listen only on the 172 address. am i smoking too much crack? what's the right way to go about this. server is lenny. clients are lenny or xp.
16:24<Azhrarn>I'm inclined to chalk it up to beta and not a wide array of support yet sim. You may want to poke around and the newsgroup/bugzilla it links to for now
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16:25<schatan>ok... no problem... i will wait... big thanks!
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16:25*seanius building 0.7.6 right now actually
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16:26<sim>it s ok ! it s working now, i had to download it from one mozilla website
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16:29<sim>first site when you type "flash" in google -> lead you to some installer where you will specify the installation path of your navigator ( here firefox3 )
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16:30<Azhrarn>yeah, adobe has a pretty decent installer suite
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16:35<schatan>cd .
16:36<schatan>ok... another question... is lenny now using qt? or why is there a qt4 manager installed?
16:36<schatan>in gnome!
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17:00<viki>Hi can anybody help me in the following issue: I have a debian testing and sometimes when I boot my system it hangs with the following message: "Begin: Waiting for root filesystem..." Has anybody seen the same? What is the solution in order to avoid it?
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17:04<Medalgod>@viki at a guess i'd say you're hdd is dieing
17:04<ravenbird>Medalgod: okay
17:04<Medalgod>have you tried running some SMART tests
17:04<Medalgod>on the disk?
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17:05<amphi>viki: if you boot from a cd, can you mount hd / ?
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17:06<Medalgod>yh, after chking disk health try booting from a disk (may be ure missing something in the kernel)
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17:12<curtis>anyone know a program to download music for free?
17:13<curtis>jagerman, how do i install that?
17:13<jagerman>curtis: It is a web browser
17:13<curtis>jagerman, do you know a program?
17:13<jagerman>Debian's de-branded version of firefox
17:14<jagerman>You want a program where you can type in the music name, and have it download it for you?
17:14<jagerman>So you are asking us to help you violate copyright law?
17:14<curtis>i just need 2 songs for school
17:15<jagerman>Any two songs?
17:15<curtis>for my math class
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17:15<jagerman>There is tons of music that has had its copyright long expired.
17:16<curtis>can you just tell me the program please?
17:16<valdyn>curtis: can you just use google please?
17:16<Nemoder>curtis: try
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17:17<curtis>i would like a program not a website
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17:17<jagerman>It you only need two songs, it'll only cost $2 to buy it, and probably be easier, so why not just buy it?
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17:17<curtis>dont have money
17:17<valdyn>curtis: this is just not a "how to pirate" channel, go elsewhere
17:18<curtis>what channel should i go to?
17:18<valdyn>curtis: so you need to use your brain if you dont have money, thats still offtopic
17:18<curtis>okay i just got this computer yesterday and insalled debian
17:18<curtis>because vista is horriable
17:19<curtis>can you just tell me a program please?
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17:19-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@] by dondelelcaro
17:19-!-mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro
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17:19<ranix>well that's new
17:20<jagerman>I liked the "maybe I'll score brownie points if I say I hate Vista" part.
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17:20<ranix>I would like a program not a website
17:20<ranix>should have sent him
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17:41<Laeborg>how do I find the local ip (lan ip) to my server?
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17:42<Laeborg>i have tried 'ifconfig' but theres only the global ip
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17:46<chealer>Laeborg: where did you run ifconfig?
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17:49<Laeborg>chealer: in the console/termnial
17:49<chealer>Laeborg: of which machine?
17:51<Laeborg>i logged in as root to my server, and i typed 'ifconfig' in my servers terminal
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17:54<chealer>Laeborg: the IPs of a machine will show when running ifconfig on it
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17:59<random_nick>how can I create pseudo tty devices in debian? A friend of mine uses ubuntu and he has a /dev/ptypc device, but I don't have anything like that
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18:00<dpkg>from memory, past is you can also join #flood
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18:02<j00bar>so a friend just showed me this -- note the Server: header on the response --
18:02<dr>what is the error AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI cable ?
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18:03<witte>random_nick: what does /dev/ptypc do?
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18:05<random_nick>witte: i'm using a software which tells me to connect to /dev/ptypX which will then allow me to connect (for example gdb) to it
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18:05<random_nick>AFAIK it's just a pseudo tty device
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18:05<witte>random_nick: a software?
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18:07<random_nick>it's a microprocessor simulator
18:08<Laeborg>how do I uninstall gnupanel? :s
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18:08<sim>Hey, i have an ATI X1600 graphic card, does someone know a way to install this hardware easily ?
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18:09<witte>random_nick: well, it seems indeed that it is a pseudo tty from the few things i found about it. I don't know how to correctly add one, but in principle you could use mknod to make a device
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18:09<witte>random_nick: although i would expect that it can be made automatically if you have the correct package installed...
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18:10<witte>random_nick: in any case, i also don't have any /dev/ptypX
18:10*adib que pex aqui
18:10<Laeborg>or is there anyway so I can remove all not standard packages, files ect
18:10<dr>I run debian under VMWare and when debian booted I have screen "Welcom to Debian at debian" but when I login the screen is got black and for a while appeared the screen "Welcom to Debian at debian"...
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18:10<Azhrarn>Laeborg: dpkg -l, apt-get remove any packages you don't need. It'll yell at you for the important stuff
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18:11<Azhrarn>if you don't know what it is, don't remove it though
18:11<random_nick>witte: i'm not sure about the package. It's a device... this seems to be more infrastructure related. A friend of mine uses ubuntu, which I think is based on an older debian version than the one I have
18:11<Azhrarn>which usually means leaving the various lib* packages alone
18:11<themill>sim: you may need the fglrx driver for that. /msg dpkg fglrx
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18:12<Laeborg>but theres not anything i can do, so it removes all packages, but the one i got when i installed debian?
18:12<random_nick>witte: I have also heard about command "tip" for working with ttyp devices, but I couldn't find it in
18:12<witte>random_nick: mm, it seems i have those devices on an etch boc
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18:13<random_nick>witte: i'm using a mix of testing and unstable
18:13<sim>themill, should I use some apt-get ?
18:14<themill>dpkg: tell sim about fglrx one-liner
18:14<witte>random_nick: i can see only one program with tip (apt-file search bin/tip), and that is tipptrainer, but that is not what you want
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18:14<witte>random_nick: it could be kernel related?
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18:15<random_nick>witte: i've googled for debian and ptyp and ttyp but no luck :( And since I'm no master of ttys... I'm kind of lost :-/ (that is why I decided to try this channel)
18:15<dr>how much memmory I should have to lunch kde? 256 MB is enough?
18:15<sim>themill, there is a fglrx-driver existing
18:16<witte>random_nick: you are right to do so, but i am not the one able to help you, maybe someone else is...
18:16<random_nick>witte: found tip :s <apt-cache search tip | grep tty> shouldn't have relied only on the filename (since it has been replaced)
18:17<random_nick>witte: thanks anyway :)
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18:18<dr>help me please!!! I can't login through kde only terminal mode
18:18<witte>dr: depends on how much fancy stuff you enable, and how fast you find comfortable
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18:18<witte>random_nick: great!
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18:18<rasztasd>hello, i havÃe a problem with my internet connection. im on a university network. eerythin was working fine until now. the only thing working is my browser. i had to set the networks proxy by hand, but no one application is working, eg. pinging any host, or using internet application like irc. i have no idea what went wrong. we have a proxy in this network, but we didn't need to set anything up. i had speak with the administrator and he couldn't
18:18<witte>dr: how is it you are starting kde
18:19<sim>themill, ok thanks for the bot, but how can I ask him some question ?
18:19<random_nick>dr: you could try reinstalling kdm (force reinstall) Did you upgrade any packages recently?
18:19<dr>when os is booting kde start automaticly
18:19<themill>sim: you send it a msg . For example, /msg dpkg bot help
18:20<sim>themill, thx
18:20<rasztasd>do you have any idea
18:20<dr>I am newby in linux ... I just install it two days ago
18:21<witte>dr: you mean, when you boot linux, you get at a graphical log in screen, and when you log in there, you want to get into kde?
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18:21<dr>witte: yes exactly
18:22<rasztasd>the log of my route is
18:22<witte>dr: this is what you want, or what you have :-)
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18:22<rasztasd>the two vmware is okay
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18:25<dr>when I boot linux, I get at a graphical log in screen but when i typed login and password then click login the black screen appear and then I get at the graphical log in screen again
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18:26<witte>dr: ok, can you log into an other windowmanager (session > gnome or something else)?
18:26<chealer>dr: yes
18:26<dr>I don't know how
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18:27<witte>dr: do you have in that graphical login window a "session" button?
18:27<dr>I have two buttons Login and Menu
18:28<rasztasd>hello, i havÃe a problem with my internet connection. im on a university network. eerythin was working fine until now. the only thing working is my browser. i had to set the networks proxy by hand, but no one application is working, eg. pinging any host, or using internet application like irc. i have no idea what went wrong. we have a proxy in this network, but we didn't need to set anything up. i had speak with the administrator and he couldn't
18:28<witte>dr: in the menu thing,is there a choice for anything else besides kde?
18:28<witte>dr: in case yes, choose that, and try to log in that way
18:29<dr>yes Default KDE Failsafe
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18:29<witte>dr: well, that is not really what we want
18:30<witte>dr: press ctrl-alt-f1, and log in to that terminal window
18:30<witte>dr: i gather you have an other computer next to the one you are now configuring on which you have irc running?
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18:31<dr>I run debian under VMWare
18:32<witte>dr: ah, i did not get that, probably overlooked that one
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18:33<witte>dr: can you get a terminal? (i am completely unexperienced with vmware)
18:33<witte>dr: i think you just don't have everything installed from kde, so a "aptitude install kde" could solve the problem
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18:33<dr>terminal session in debian?
18:33<witte>dr: yes
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18:34<dr>yes I can
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18:37<witte>dr: did the aptitude install kde result in a download?
18:38<witte>dr: btw: are you intending running debian/KDE in a vmware session on a machine with 256MB ram?
18:38<dr>I have 2 GB
18:38<witte>dr: or is the vmware session limited to 256
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18:38<witte>dr: ok, just to be sure :-)
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18:39<witte>dr: can you have a look in /var/log/*dm.log
18:39<rasztasd>hello, i havÃe a problem with my internet connection. im on a university network. eerythin was working fine until now. the only thing working is my browser. i had to set the networks proxy by hand, but no one application is working, eg. pinging any host, or using internet application like irc. i have no idea what went wrong. we have a proxy in this network, but we didn't need to set anything up. i had speak with the administrator and he couldn't
18:39<witte>dr: if unsure, upload the files to a pastebin
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18:40<dr>what is the pastebin?
18:40<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
18:40<hever>My problem is I have to put a video from a DVD on a homepage. k3b for example tells me the DVD is empty but my DVD player plays the DVD.
18:41<dr>ok thanks
18:41<hever>dvdbackup gives me "Cannot open specified device /dev/dvd - check your DVD device"
18:41<hever>and mount mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc
18:41<hever>How can I get the data on the DVD, perhaps must I load other filesystems in the kernel ?
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18:43<witte>hever: maybe it is encrypted?
18:43<witte>hever: do you get any messages from it in the output of dmesg
18:44<dr>you must kill me but I don't know how to get that log file from debian to upload it on the pastebin...
18:44<amphi>hever: can mplayer play it, for example?
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18:44<hever>dmesg: "UDF-fs: Partition marked readonly; forcing readonly mount" and "UDF-fs INFO UDF (2004/29/09) Mounting volume 'Export Boost', timestamp 2008/04/24 01:06 (1078)"
18:45<dr>but I cat it and there are error reports
18:45<hever>amphi, no. gxine for example can play normal dvds but not this selfmade (not by me)
18:45<witte>dr: has a special "upload file" option, or just paste the contents (which you can see with more, cat or less) into the field
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18:46<hever>witte, Not sure if it's encrypted but I read somewhere every DVD is still "encrypted". My DVD Player has no Problems.
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18:48<sim>themill, I m bothering you ( or anyone else ! :] ) with my ATI ... modprobe fglrx
18:48<sim>FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
18:49<sim>( i m in root doing this )
18:49<witte>hever: i was thinking about libdvdcss (/msg dpkg libdvdcss), but i think you would have gotten other errors...
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18:51<hever>Totem tried to open it... Now I removed it and reinserted it I get "cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize!"
18:53<hever>witte, looks like a hardware or cd failure but the last time I inserted it could read name of the CD and the player plays it. I see it is a + (plus) DVD RW and perhaps my DVD ROM has problems with it.
18:54<amphi>hever: what does file -s /dev/whatever say?
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18:55<hever>amphi, "/dev/hdc: ERROR: cannot read `' (Input/output error)"
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18:56<amphi>anyway, that does not sound good
18:56<amphi>do you see a spew of hdc errors in your syslog?
18:56<dr><witte> thanks for helping me I have to go.
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18:57<witte>hever: can you mount it specifically as udf (mount -t udf /dev/hdc /cdrom)
18:58<witte>or as iso9660 (-t iso9660)
18:58<hever>(I think this is a DVD + DVD blanko and my DVD-Rom can't read it) Perhaps it could only read - (minus))
18:58<hever>witte, no I tried this...
18:58<rasztasd>hello, i havÃe a problem with my internet connection. im on a university network. eerythin was working fine until now. the only thing working is my browser. i had to set the networks proxy by hand, but no one application is working, eg. pinging any host, or using internet application like irc. i have no idea what went wrong. we have a proxy in this network, but we didn't need to set anything up. i had speak with the administrator and he couldn't
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19:03<rasztasd>any idea?
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19:08<rasztasd>my computer is acting like im not on the same network as before
19:08<rasztasd>before i didn't have to type the whole address in my network
19:09<ranix>rasztasd: what version of debian are you using
19:10<ranix>rasztasd: are you using dhcp
19:10<ranix>rasztasd: can you ping your gateway
19:10<ranix>rasztasd: it works?
19:10<rasztasd>it works
19:10<samantha->so i have a server. i need to connect mountable file sharing (eg nfs or smb) to multiple clients. said multiple clients may appear from any IP. i found an ssh tunnel howto for nfs, but it seems to depend on the clients having static ips, which is not possible. i'm thinking, perhaps stupidly, that the best way to accomplish this is to set up a dummy private network 172.16.x.x and use that for multiple openvpn clients, and t
19:10<samantha->hen have samba listen only on the 172 address. am i smoking too much crack? what's the right way to go about this. server is lenny. clients are lenny or xp.
19:10<ranix>rasztasd: can you ping Google
19:11<rasztasd>hey i doesn't work
19:11<rasztasd>but just for me, for everyone else it does
19:11<ranix>rasztasd: can you ping yahoo
19:11<rasztasd>i can't ping my gateway nor yahoo
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19:11<rasztasd>but w3m loads the page XD
19:11<ranix>rasztasd: does your gateway accept ICMP
19:11<rasztasd>yes, it does
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19:12<petemc>samantha-: openvpn would be the way to go\
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19:12<rasztasd>im using irc on the same network, but from an ssh server, not directly from my computer
19:12<rasztasd>the server is just like any other computer on the network
19:12<ranix>rasztasd: is your gateway on the same subnet as you
19:12<rasztasd>yes it is
19:13<ranix>rasztasd: do you connect with ssh to your server with a numeric IP or a hostname?
19:13<rasztasd>i can't ping the router from this machine, only from my friends machine
19:13<rasztasd>with hostname
19:13<ranix>rasztasd: is it on the same subnet as you?
19:13<ranix>rasztasd: no clue, contact your network administrator
19:14<ranix>rasztasd: these things don't match up
19:14<rasztasd>anyway, my browser is working, it had to be set the proxy
19:14<rasztasd>but the built in proxy doesn't
19:14<rasztasd>there is a network, me, friend, proxy/gateway
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19:15<rasztasd>the problem is, i can't connect to none of the computer, nor the internet nor the network, except my friend's ssh server
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19:16<rasztasd>the only exception is the webbrowser and the w3m character based webbrowser
19:16<rasztasd>none of the other programs work
19:17<rasztasd>i can't connect any of the computer i meant
19:17<rasztasd>any idea?
19:18<rasztasd>the network administrator couldn't help me, we was trying to solve this for almost an hour
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19:19<Woet>someone knows how to limit CPU usage in openVZ?
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19:21<rasztasd>maybe there is a wrong routing, cause i can't ping my gateway
19:21<rasztasd>the internet is working for the internet browser and virtualized windows xp only
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19:22<rasztasd>maybe there is something wrong i mean
19:22<rasztasd>how can i reconfigure my internetconnection from zero?
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19:24<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route>
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19:25<rasztasd>im using this chat from the same machine
19:25<rasztasd>just i had to ssh into my friends computer
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19:26<Supaplex>that doesn't tell me anything
19:27<gsimmons>Woet: It's done via CPULIMIT within a container's configuration file. See the OpenVZ documentation and wiki for examples.
19:27<hever>witte, amphi sry. The power switches off automatically at 1am. The errors in syslog are as I pasted.
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19:27<rasztasd>nothing is working except from my browser, whitch has set up the proxy settings too
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19:28<rasztasd>and ssh to a dedicated ssh server
19:28<rasztasd>from the same network
19:28<rasztasd>and w3m
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19:28<rasztasd>i don't know why but w3m has no problem
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19:30<hever>witte, amphi thanks for your help I put the cd now in another workstation and there I can read the DVD...
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19:30<hever>Can somebody tell me how I can lista ll packages from on my system or removing them ?
19:32<themill>!list repositories
19:32<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try or use dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>
19:32<Supaplex>haha sweet. dvdrw drive for $1.75 :P
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19:34<rasztasd>my cmy is there a program like in windows proxycap for linux?
19:34<rasztasd>is there a program like in windows proxycap for linux?
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19:36<Supaplex>what's proxycap do? Are you trying to make a workaround for your broken setup?
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19:39<angelo>VMware gsc ... is that still free to use ?
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19:44<rasztasd>how can i configure the proxy for every application?
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19:45<Supaplex>set your env vars HTTP_PROXY and http_proxy = http://proxy-host:8080
19:46<gsimmons>angelo: Did you mean GSX? It's since been renamed to just "VMware Server", but it is free (as in beer). There's no support for the software in here however.
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19:47<angelo>hmmzz ok but does it work likewise? (I wont get any deeper into it)
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20:03<angelo>I try to add a printer in cups via webadmin
20:03<angelo>but it does not seem to work
20:04<angelo>keeps saying access denied... do I need to add my users to a cups group first ?
20:04<witte>angelo: in order to add a printer you must be in the lpadmin group (i believe it was that one)
20:04<witte>angelo: or you can add it as root...
20:04<themill>angelo: look at the systemgroup directive in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
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20:06<angelo>all groups must be in /etc/group right ?
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20:07<witte>angelo: yes
20:08<angelo>still says the same
20:08<angelo>do I need to restart the webadmin first ?
20:08<themill>what did you do?
20:08<witte>angelo: do you have trouble adding the printer, or printing once it is added?
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20:09<angelo>when I try to add it asks my username and password
20:09<angelo>then it says access denied
20:09<witte>angelo: at http://localhost:631, right?
20:09<witte>angelo: adding as root doesn't work?
20:09<angelo>also acess denied
20:09<witte>look in /var/log/cups/ for errors
20:10<angelo>Unauthorized is the message
20:10<angelo>in the log
20:12<witte>angelo: try to restart cups: /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
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20:14<angelo>btw I have a samsung laser printer what can I put in the make menu ?? Dymo or RAW ?
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20:15<witte>angelo: what do you mean? there are drivers for the samsung printers
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20:15<angelo>hmm can I put them in cups ?
20:16<angelo>still unauthorized :S
20:16<witte>angelo: install openprinting-ppds
20:16<angelo>might lynx be the problem ? Im trying to admin it with that
20:16<witte>angelo: lynx has no ssl
20:17<witte>angelo: try links
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20:17<witte>angelo: or an other with ssl support
20:17<angelo>btw openprinteing-ppds is not a deb package right ?
20:17<witte>angelo: it is in sid, don't know about etch, will have a look
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20:18<angelo>ok thnx
20:18<witte>angelo: indeed, only in sid (probably also in lenny); will have a look what you need, because there will be better drivers in etch as well
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20:19<witte>angelo: they are called
20:19<angelo>btw links does not even let me enter a username/pass it just says unauthorized... whats another console based browser ?
20:20<witte>angelo: it seems elinks is the package, or install links-ssl
20:20<witte>angelo: and there is w3c
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20:21<witte>and links2
20:22<witte>angelo: or you can configure it from an other computer (http://ip:631) if you have it configured that this is allowed in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
20:23<angelo>that might come in handy .. ;) btw samsung is not part of package
20:23<witte>angelo: it isn't? let me check again in which it is, i just assumed it was as it is a postscript printer...
20:24<witte>angelo: you can just try foomatic-filters-ppds
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20:25<angelo>ok I will
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20:27<angelo>ok I got the right driver now... but still unauthorized... tried elinks links links2 and lynx
20:27<angelo>do you still think it is the browser that gives problems ?
20:27<witte>angelo: i am not sure
20:28<witte>i am sure you cant get past the https stuff without ssl (so lynx wont work), but the others should
20:28<angelo>what else could be blocking my access
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20:30<witte>angelo: you can set the debug level in the config file i think, if you set it higher, you get more output which could help...
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20:30<angelo>how can I change the .conf so that I can logon from my othe rbox ?? I get it to listen but when I enter the link fromi my window box it says 403 forbidden
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20:31<phillipsjk>angelo are you trying to use swat?
20:33<witte>angelo: allow IP
20:33<witte>phillipsjk: swat is not for cups configuration if i am correct, is it?
20:33<angelo>can I do allow * ?
20:33<phillipsjk>403 is an http message. What service are you trying to use. (or did you explain before I arrived?)
20:34<phillipsjk>swat is the samba web administration tool.
20:34<witte>angelo: would do that, but i am not sure this is the best way (and i would only do this temporarily)
20:34<witte>angelo: btw, the other machine isn't a linux machine?
20:35<witte>ok, otherwise you could just run iceweasel on that one (over ssh)
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20:36<witte>angelo: restart cups after you change that file
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20:37<angelo>im getting headaches over this
20:38<witte>angelo: cups is normally quite straightforward
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20:39<angelo>so I understood ;)
20:39<angelo>thats why I chose to use it
20:39<angelo>prolly something stupid Im doing wrong
20:41<witte>angelo: it is a local printer you are configuring, not a printer that is shared over samba?
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20:43<angelo>witte its locally connected via USB
20:43<angelo>ok I got in via another box
20:43<angelo>but now it hangs when I try to go to the admin page :S
20:43<witte>angelo: ok, locally is ok, than the problem is also local
20:43<witte>angelo: really strange :-)
20:43<angelo>this box is jinxed
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20:45<angelo>hmm redirects me to https:// and then just hangs
20:45<witte>angelo: do you have a firewall on that box?
20:46<angelo>maybe server side https is faulty ? or is that impossible?
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20:46<witte>angelo: don't know, but you can try printconf to configure your printer
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20:48<angelo>took about 5 minutes to get through the SSL thing
20:48<angelo>then it just worked
20:48<angelo>printer is added
20:48<angelo>how do I print a test page ?
20:48<angelo>ah found it :)
20:50<angelo>it works :) thanks witte, prolly would have given up earlier without ur help
20:50<witte>angelo: still, something is not really perfect there :-)
20:50<witte>no problem
20:50<angelo>true on that ... but ive bumped my head hard enough over this already
20:50<angelo>now all I need to do is share this printer via samba and I can go to bed ;)
20:50<witte>angelo: or is it a really really old pc
20:51<angelo>well its old ... but not THAT old ... PIII tualatin 1.4-S
20:51<witte>angelo: just search for a debian samba tutorial on the web, there must be hundreds :-)
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20:51<angelo>I know
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20:51<witte>angelo: no, that cant be the reason for the slow https
20:51<angelo>ive got samba set up already so should be piece of cake to add printer ;)
20:52<witte>angelo: it should be :-)
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21:34<ptr>is there a way to monitor power usage per-device?
21:34<ptr>There's a very high-pitched squeal coming from somewhere in my case---can't decide whether it's the motherboard or the psu, and it increases with cpu activity---and I'm trying to figure out what's going on
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21:37<enouf>ptr: take a chopstick, or similar type wood object (or mostly wood) and hold one end gently to your ear, as you probe about areas you think the noise is coming from - be careful!, do NOT place anything narrow or pointy near hole in ear, offset it
21:38<ptr>That's *really* useful information
21:38<ptr>let me try this
21:39<ptr>I have really nice ceramic chopsticks, but nothing wooden.... I don't have any reason to believe that these are conductive, tho
21:39<ptr>haha, listen to me
21:39<ptr>hold on
21:40<enouf>got a stethoscope doc? :-p
21:40<ptr>well, over it goes
21:41<ptr>Question, though:
21:41<ptr>What if it's inside the psu? should I really be sticking my mitts in there?
21:41<enouf>my old HDD sqeals/whirrs
21:41<enouf>ptr: no
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21:41<enouf>but you can take off the case side and home in on it a bit more
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21:43<enouf>also, bought a new AT psu for my p150 awhile back, and after it's on a day or more, it starts making a bit of noise
21:43<ptr>side's off
21:43<ptr>What *ought* I to be looking for? I wasn't ee....
21:43<enouf>but it's more like a resonance humm
21:43<ptr>Can't localize it for the life of me
21:43<ptr>what did it sound like?
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21:44<enouf>like a bumble bee next to your ear ;-)
21:44<enouf>the old HDD though is really annoying - and i'm retiring it, it's this odd harmonic high pitched squeal .
21:44<ptr>yeah. This isn't, quite. It's just barely below the very top of my hearing range---if I were 10 years older, I might not be able to hear it at all
21:44<ptr>but it's *loud*
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21:45<enouf>ptr: try and hdparm -S /dev/hdd name, (Standby / sleep mode), man hdparm, i forget the options exactly
21:46<lucas_amorim>hello, I have just add another user account for my mother (lol) but she wants me to setup her account fo pt_BR ... what package do I need to install? I have tried to switch language in the gdm menu but it says "Language pt_BR not found, keeping the system default" or something...
21:46<enouf>ptr: you can set it to only sleep for 5 or so seconds too
21:46<ptr>hmm, kay
21:46<ptr>It doesn't increase with hdd activity, tho
21:46<vsmatck>Might be inductor whine.
21:46<ptr>at least, not necessarily
21:46<enouf>ptr: IDE/PATA drives, yes?
21:46<ptr>scrolling in firefox makes it quite loud
21:46<vsmatck>Those circular solenoid things.
21:46<ptr>yeah, pata
21:47<ptr>hmm, tried the two next to the cpu, couldn't find it
21:47<ptr>lemme keep looking
21:47<enouf>yeah, my HDD noise/whirr/squeal doeas not change with usage, it's constant
21:47<vsmatck>They have special hearing devices mechanics use don't they? I bet that could localize it.
21:47<enouf>vsmatck: yeah, a big screwdriver ;-)
21:48<ranix>I am connected to my computer via XDMCP and my backspace key does not seem to function
21:48<ranix>this is obnoxious
21:48<vsmatck>enouf: does that work? Like put the end of the screw driver on your ear and the other on the suspected component?
21:48<ranix>it seems to only not function properly in Screen
21:48<enouf>vsmatck: yep, but naturally, one needs to be extremely careful, and i don't recommend it
21:49<ranix>ah it's the terminal emulator I was using. Nevermind
21:49<enouf>vsmatck: and naturally, the /handle end/ goes near the ear
21:49<vsmatck>enouf: it does sound like it has ogrish potential.
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21:49<vsmatck>ogrish = website with pictures of stuff like screw drivers through head. :)
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21:50<enouf>vsmatck: especially in a running internal combustion engine with belts, pulleys, fans, etc :-P
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21:50<ZorrosHorse>hi guys, I'm running an svn server using this command: "svnserve -d -r /home/johny/projects" how can I make this command run at reboot so I dont have to enter very time I reboot system?
21:51<ranix>ZorrosHorse: put it in /etc/init.d/rc.S
21:51<ranix>scuse me
21:51<ranix>I mean /etc/init.d/rcS
21:51<enouf>hrm, wouldn't /etc/rc.local work there?
21:51<eldowan>ZorrosHorse: that should run it as root
21:52<ZorrosHorse>should it run as root though?
21:52<eldowan>ZorrosHorse: don't know.
21:52<ranix>sorry, I ACTUALLY mean /etc/rcS.d/
21:52<enouf>though if you only boot single, it won't run, via defaults, but you can alter that too
21:52<ranix>put a tiny script in there
21:53<ranix>or a symlink
21:54<ZorrosHorse>is that how it's usualy done?
21:54<ranix>rcS.d stores startup scripts I believe. That's how I start my paster HellaNZB server
21:54<enouf>ZorrosHorse: read what /etc/init.d/rc.local does, but note; it's /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local .. there's also the older / script
21:54<vsmatck>That sounds weird to let init run your script.
21:54<vsmatck>I'd put it in your shell RC file.
21:55<vsmatck>like .bashrc or something.
21:55<ranix>vsmatck: then it wouldn't run until he logs in?
21:55<enouf>ZorrosHorse: if you do need to actually make a bonafide init script, see /etc/init.d/skeleton and README
21:55<vsmatck>oh, I missed it. He's running a server.
21:55<vsmatck>Nevermind then! :)
21:56<ranix>what do you guys do in your leisure time on the internet
21:56<vsmatck>I look at porn.
21:56<ZorrosHorse>there is no skeleton file in there
21:56<ranix>I used to visit a message board but realize that it is less than a waste of time
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21:56<enouf>~$ ls -l /etc/init.d/skeleton
21:56<enouf>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4187 2006-09-12 17:32 /etc/init.d/skeleton
21:56<enouf>that's not debian then :-P
21:57<lucas_amorim>hello, I have just add another user account for my mother (lol) but she wants me to setup her account fo pt_BR ... what package do I need to install? I have tried to switch language in the gdm menu but it says "Language pt_BR not found, keeping the system default" or something...
21:57<ptr>damn, I swear it's coming from the psu
21:57<enouf>if you're using a *buntu, you might be suffering upstart hell
21:57<ptr>:-\ shame. was a nice mobo
21:57<vsmatck>ptr: I bet it's one of those.
21:57<ptr>cool, thx
21:58<ptr>I'll stop bothering y'all, now :)
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21:58<ZorrosHorse>what'sa good way of reading it, using CAT command?
21:58<vsmatck>ptr: careful not to suicide yourself if you open the PS.
21:58<enouf>ptr: i got 3x new 600w CoolerMasters off newegg with MIR for dog cheap
21:58<eldowan>ZorrosHorse: cat, less, more, any text editor
21:59<ptr>enouf: yeah, but chasing around the case replacing each part it *might* be is a recipe for replacing the entire machine at a greater cost than just, well, replacing the entire machine
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22:00<ptr>here's a thought
22:00<ptr>unscrew the psu, pick it up, see if the noise moves
22:00<ptr>Stay tuned to your 10:00 news; you may be hearing about me shortly ;)
22:00<vsmatck>That is a good idea. *waits in unbearable anticipation*
22:00<eldowan>lucas_amorim: have you tried `aptitude search brdesktop` ?
22:00<enouf>lucas_amorim: well, 1st off you need that locales support, do; "/msg dpkg locales" , and 'setxkbdmap <CC>' might help too, see the man pages
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22:01<enouf>ptr: use/make modular PCs ;-)
22:01<lucas_amorim>ok! thank you both!
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22:02<enouf>lucas_amorim: also check in K Control Center if using KDE say
22:02<ZorrosHorse>ok, so I can just place a script in /etc/init.d/ directory and it will be run at boot right?
22:02<enouf>lucas_amorim: ok, system > preferences > ?
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22:03<enouf>!tell ZorrosHorse about rcconf
22:03<vsmatck>ZorrosHorse, negatory, you got to place it in /etc/init.d/ and then place a symlink to it in /etc/rc2.d/
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22:03<enouf>ZorrosHorse: "/msg dpkg startup" and ("services", and "runlevels")
22:04<ZorrosHorse>vsmatck, what are all those numbers after rc like rc2.d rc5.d etc?
22:04<ZorrosHorse>enouf, which one?
22:04<enouf>!tell ZorrosHorse -about grounding
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22:04<vsmatck>I bet wikipedia has a page. *looks*
22:05<enouf>all the URLs dpkg tells you about, and docs it refers to
22:05<enouf>vsmatck: dpkg factoids have all that's needed
22:05<vsmatck>ahh, ok.
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22:07<ZorrosHorse>thanks guys
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22:09<ptr>enouf: oh, it's modular---full atx case, no onboard video/sound... lots of things it could be. But the hardware's kind of old---replacing, say, the motherboard, cpu, and psu would end up costing almost as much as a newer sh*tty box
22:09<ptr>Hmm... less certain it's the power supply nao
22:10<enouf>ptr: i like old hardware and upgrade it ;-)
22:10<enouf>ptr: to a degree
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22:10<enouf>ptr: trading an old POS for a new POS is not attractive sounding to me ;-)
22:11<ptr>Brb. I have a hunch
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22:16<xid>enouf, what's your oldest hardware ?
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22:19<enouf>xid: not that old, circa 1995 i guess
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22:20<xid>only pc ?
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22:37<ptr>So, hmm
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22:38<ptr>it's not hard drive related. Thought it might have to do with my ancient old sound card for some reason, but it's not that either.
22:38<ptr>Then, when I put everything back together again and turned on the machine, it started to produce very *loud* whistles at the same dog-whistle frequency, periodically
22:39<ptr>and I noticed the cpu fan wasn't spinnign because there was something blocking it. I hurriedly turned off the machine, unblocked the fan, started it again, and it was miraculously back to its old self
22:39<ptr>but could the source of the noise be the cpu itself?
22:39<ptr>this is not debian-related anymore
22:39<ptr>sorry, folks.... I get into a problem...
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22:45<ptr>but this does bring me back to my original question:
22:46<ptr>is there a gkrellm plugin that would allow me to monitor power usage throughout my system?
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22:56<Aleric>ansset:~>sudo /etc/init.d/bind9 start
22:56<Aleric>Starting domain name service...: bind failed!
22:56<xid>ptr, xsensors - A hardware health information viewer
22:56<Aleric>??? Anyone an idea what I can do to find out why this suddenly fails?
22:56<Aleric>There is nothing in /var/log/messages
22:58<xid>sudo /etc/init.d/bind9 > file
22:58<gsimmons>Aleric: Check /var/log/syslog.
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22:58<Aleric>ALso nothing
22:59<xid>Aleric, paste file on
23:00<xid>sorry " sudo /etc/init.d/bind9 start> file"
23:00<Aleric>xid: I already pasted that here
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23:00<Aleric>Starting domain name service...: bind failed! <--
23:00<xid>the "file"
23:00<Aleric>It's one line!
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23:15<tenzind>my laptop has a free disk space of 48G. when i use the "Automatically partition free space" with a seperate /home partition, the installer allocates 7 G for / 2G for swap and the rest for home. Will 7G for / be sufficient?
23:16<xid>tenzind, for normal use is ok
23:19<xid>maybe swap is to big, ~ 0.5 G , will be enough
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23:25<enouf>tenzind: my / is about that size
23:25<enouf>tenzind: a typical full DE install is ~1.7-2.1 GB
23:27<tenzind>enouf: ok . but will that be too less later when we go on to install other packages?
23:27<enouf>yeah, swap depends - laptop?, planning on using suspend2disk?, how much RAM is there
23:27<Aleric>My problem turned out to be that named was already running, which is because I couldn't stop it: Stopping domain name service...: bindrndc: connect failed: connection refused
23:27<Aleric>Is that supposed to be a TCP or UDP port?
23:27<enouf>tenzind: doesn't seem to be for me, but i don't use/have many of the larger applications such as OO.o
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23:28<tenzind>enouf: i need OO.o and also eclipse and some games ... so may be i should increase it to 10 - 15 G?
23:28<enouf>tenzind: consider there's /usr/share/doc/ , then also extraneous locale stuffs, etc - so it's dependent upon how and what you use it for - make it bigger if you like - you can use expert mode to install, etc
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23:30<enouf>tenzind: sure, sounds better for what you describe - i always also try to only have 80-85% tops of partition used, for fragmentation and other FS reasons
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23:31<enouf>consider d/l a DVD say .. yes, you can use /home, but still, if you need a large /tmp for whatever, it'll be more painful to increase size later
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23:43<user01>ummm . . . my computer monitor just went all poltergeist on me, is it the videocard going bad?
23:43<xid>Aleric, I'll reinstall bind9
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23:44<user01>it was running well for 4 years then all the sudden 4 minutes ago . . . i saw snow and then random signals being sent to it, even after when i turn off the computer
23:45<Aleric>xid: I just fixed it by reinstalling bind9
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23:48<phillipsjk>user01: try unplugging the video connectino and plugging it in again. If that doesn't work, try another video card. wait: snow?!?
23:49<user01>phillipsjk, yeah, like when you tune to a channel that isnt there
23:49*xid just for logs info
23:50<phillipsjk>Is the snow still present if you unplug the video connection?
23:50<user01>phillipsjk, i guess i could try the video out from the motherboard . . . there is a videocard in the agp slot
23:52<phillipsjk>Most monitor I've seen have a blank screen if you unplug the cable. (some even say 'check video connection')
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23:53<user01>phillipsjk, i unplugged the dvi cable and it is weirrd, it is like it is getting a signal
23:53*phillipsjk was assuming CRT
23:54<user01>phillipsjk, it is the monitor then?
23:55<user01>phillipsjk, wtf . . . it is like a tv signal
23:55<user01>phillipsjk, let me go grab an old crt
23:56<phillipsjk>I wouldn't rule out the video card until I turn off the monitor and turn it on again. Does the moniter have a tuner?
23:56<user01>phillipsjk, nah its a dell 1905 lcd
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23:58<user01>phillipsjk, turned it off and turned it on and it is still going bizerk . . . cant take a screen shot dang
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