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---Logopened Mon Jun 09 00:00:33 2008
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00:02<schmichael0>ya know... it might just be easiest to haul this beast to the nearest wired inet connection
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00:02<schmichael0>xid, gsimmons, benjamindees: thanks for the help! sorry i'm so impatient
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00:05<dpkg>rumour has it, tasksel is the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run "dselect update && tasksel", be happy, smile. Ask me about <server tasks>.
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00:07<dpkg>Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline>. <apt-walkabout>
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00:08<Supaplex>yay sneakernet
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00:09<benjamindees>that looks interesting
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00:11<xid>normal , after vista release ...
00:13<xid>& *crash*
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00:17<ksign>hi all
00:18<benjamindees>oh interesting it uses the nt boot loader
00:18<ksign>I'm an eeepc 2g surf user and I would like to know how to setup a screensaver on my xandros
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00:19<benjamindees>xandros is kde still, right? /join #kde
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00:20<Cola>so I'm new to linux... anyone with some patients care to help me install some drivers?
00:21<gsimmons>Cola: Are you still attempting to install the orinoco_usb driver?
00:21<mahiwaga>Debian is the best
00:21<Cola>I can't get root to install the files
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00:22<gsimmons>Cola: You've forgotten root's password?
00:22<Cola>no I have it
00:22<Cola>I put in "su"
00:22<Cola>and my password
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00:22<Cola>but it doesn't allow me to place filed in /lib
00:23<Cola>insuffecient accsess
00:24<chealer>Cola: just ask your question
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00:25<Cola>how do I run the "Kbuild" file?
00:25<Cola>so I can configure my kernel
00:26<gsimmons>Cola: You don't. Did you install the Debian packages previously advised to you?
00:26<Cola>I have them downloaded... I just don't know how to install them
00:27<chealer>Cola: if you don't mind, what are you trying to do?
00:27<Cola>I have a wireless USB adapter I am trying to install... my ethernet card is dead
00:27<chealer>Cola: what is its chipset?
00:27<gsimmons>!orinoco usb
00:27<dpkg>somebody said orinoco usb was for information on the Orinoco USB variants, see, or firmware available from
00:27<gsimmons>chealer: ^^^^
00:28<ftzdomino>my php5 build seems to be dumping a lot of Suhosin errors to the apache2 error.log and is showing that Suhosin is installed in the version info, but i don't have php5-suhosin installed.
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00:33<gsimmons>Cola: Did you manually download the 'build-essential' and 'linux-headers-2.6.18-6-powerpc' .deb packages - rather than use a package manager - owing to your unavailable ethernet?
00:33<Cola>yep. downloaded that firmware.tar.gz
00:34<Cola>but I don't know how to use it
00:35<gsimmons>Cola: The contents of the firmware tarball are required to be unextracted (eg. "tar zxvf firmware.tar.gz"), then moved to /lib/firmware.
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00:42<kop>How does linux determine kernel vs. userland priority. E.g. if there's tons of network traffic will the kernel always get the cpu it needs to service the interrupts or does userland processes always get some cpu. (Or vice versa?) What controls this behavior, if anything?
00:44<peterS>kop: interrupts are always serviced immediately, at least minimally. some longer-running kernel stuff ends up in a kernel thread, which is scheduled much like userspace threads.
00:46<peterS>kop: also with modern NIC drivers, the kernel uses a technique they call 'napi' to process network traffic in batches rather than getting an interrupt for each packet. I think the processing then happens in a thread, though I am not sure which one.
00:47<kop>peterS : Do userland and kernel threads have the same priority or does one always get run before the other or what?
00:47<peterS>kop: I don't know the default priority of kernel threads but I believe you can 'renice' them if you need to
00:47<kop>peterS : So they go in the same scheduling pool.
00:48<peterS>I think so, yeah
00:48<kop>peterS : Happen to know if there are any knobs?
00:48<peterS>well, or multiple pools - note that it _is_ possible to bind threads to CPUs nowadays, if you really want to
00:49<peterS>hmmm - there should be a 'prctl' for process control, but I don't know what package it might be in
00:49<kop>peterS : (I was sorta expecting a sysctl.)
00:51<peterS>a sysctl wouldn't be fine-grained enough, I suspect, to be of very much use
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00:56<vook>anyone know of a linux vnc client that can connect to Mac's "screen sharing"?
00:57<vook>tightvnc reports "Incompatible version".
00:58<Gekz>why not install vnc server on the macx
00:58<vook>the mac is running a vncserver
00:59<Gekz>get a better one
00:59<vook>I installed the darwinports vnc, but it's connecting me to a TWM session.
01:00<Gekz>set .xsession for that user then
01:00<vook>hmm, ok
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01:06<joshua_>hey does running encrypted disks cause an issue with booting from cdrom, i can't boot from cdrom on this computer even though i've checked the cdrom and cd both working properly
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01:07<gsimmons>vook: Apparently a proprietary security type is employed within the Mac OS X VNC server. You're required to enable the "VNC viewers may control screen with password" access privilege as a workaround.
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01:24<vook>ok, finally. I had to build Realvnc, and load it as fullcolor.
01:25<vook>when I was running tightvnc, I could connect to :1, as twm, but I couldn't load mac apps to :1 (they would only load to :0)
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01:30<freeagy>os[Linux 2.6.24-18-generic i686] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.63GHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 79.8% free] disk[Total: 188.0GB, 8.4% free] video[nVidia Corporation G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel]
01:30<freeagy>no sound on mp4 video file
01:30<freeagy>please help
01:32<kop>freeagy : I had that problem once, and had to go to a control panel somewhere to turn the sound up. That about summarizes all I know about sound. You should probably tell people what you're using to play the mp4 file. (And are you using lenny or sid?)
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01:35<freeagy>this is ubuntu 8.04 with all uppdates :) idontknow its lenny or sid
01:36<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
01:37<Dronar>hmmz, I just installed the package "python-gnome2-desktop". And after the reboot xorg won't start up as it should :/
01:37<Dronar>when I log in, all I can see is a gray screen :/
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01:38<Dronar>I removed the package again, but it didn't help
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01:39<Dronar>does anyone have any ideas what might have changed?
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01:41<jm_>start by checking x logfile and xsession log
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01:46<Dronar>what's the location of the personal config-file?
01:46<Dronar>seems like there's a problem with the theme settings
01:47*Dronar pokes jm_
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01:50<jm_>personal config file for what?
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01:52<Dronar>well the problem is some settings in the theme
01:53<Dronar>and the theme depends on the user
01:53<jm_>gnome stuff typically uses gconf
01:54<simonrvn>the them would have a gtkrc, that's what you edit
01:54<Dronar>ok, and where can I find that?
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01:55<simonrvn>in the theme's dir
01:55<simonrvn>start at ~/.themes
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01:57<Dronar>ye i can see a few themes there, but not the one I'm using
02:00<simonrvn>that would affect all of them
02:01<Dronar>i don't have that file/folder :/
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02:02<Dronar>still, no .gtkrc-2.0
02:02<jm_>well it means you didn't change gtk them then
02:03<Dronar>the xsession-log complains about a file missing
02:04<Dronar>it's the one I used as window border
02:04<jm_>grep all your files for that
02:05<Dronar>how do I find all of them?
02:06<jm_>well I would start with find ~ -name '.*' -type f|xargs grep -l yourstring
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02:13<Dronar>can't find anything useful
02:13<Dronar>I really have to learn this terminal some day
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02:15<jm_>then it's quite likely to be in a dir named .*, but filename is regular, so search those too
02:15<Dronar>I don't really know what I'm supposed to search for either
02:17<jm_><Dronar> the xsession-log complains about a file missing
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02:22<Dronar>sorry for my total lack of understanding here, but I can't find anything :(
02:22<jm_>what did you search for and where?
02:24<Dronar>i just typed what you told me
02:24<Dronar>but I wasn't sure what to enter as "yourstring"
02:25<jm_>uhm filename that doesn't exist
02:26<Dronar>tried that, but no results
02:26<jm_>then try cd && grep filename .*/*
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02:26<jm_>again replacing filename with the one you specified
02:27<Dronar>oh, found the file here
02:28<Dronar>Can I just remove the line "include "filename" ?
02:28<Dronar>or should I change it to something else?
02:29<jm_>which file is it in?
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02:30<jm_>huh? we were searching in ~ only
02:30<Dronar>oh, the config file was there
02:30<Dronar>but that's the file missing
02:30<jm_>yes I want to know the former
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02:31<jm_>ok rename that to .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2.mybackup
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02:32<Dronar>and just restart?
02:33<jm_>just restart gdm, no need to reboot
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02:42<Dronar>still the same error :/
02:42<Dronar>and the file is only listed in .xsession-errors, .bash_history and the backup-file
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02:45<synse>Hello all.
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03:00<joshua_>hey guys i have a slight issue where now i can't boot from cd's fully is this an issue with having encrypted disks or is this caused by somethign else?
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03:01<jm_>what kind of CD-s?
03:01<jm_>Dronar: try the other grep command too
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03:06<Dronar>jm_ no results at all
03:07<Dronar>is it possible to just remove all gnome/gconf-files from my /home folder?
03:08<jm_>Dronar: hmm did you rename that file properly?
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03:09<Dronar>it's called gtkrc.1.2-gnome2.bkp now
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03:10<jm_>then check gconf too
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03:11<jm_>gconftool-2 -R /|grep string
03:11<jm_>or something like that
03:11<joshua_>they are burned ubuntu disks and windows xp discs
03:12<jm_>then they are not encrypted
03:12<joshua_>the cd's were checked as was the cdrom i'm using
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03:12<Dronar>gtk_theme = Gorilla, theme = Gorilla
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03:12<joshua_>my hard drive is encrypted. its the only thing thats changed since last i used an ubuntu live disk or installed windows
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03:14<superjet_busy>some times very long line command in gnu screen(in urxvt) displays not proper, which need c-a l to refresh, where is the reason? urxvt works well.
03:15<jm_>thaif hard drive is encrypted CD should still boot normally, but you should really ask in some other channel since this has got nothing to do with Debian
03:16<jm_>Dronar: try editing those if you're brave enough
03:16<Dronar>and how do I do that?
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03:17<jm_>with gconftool-2 :)
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03:18<jm_>superjet_busy: you mean wrapping is broken or what?
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03:19<superjet_busy>jm_: especial when using backspace to delete chars from middle of the lines, maybe it's due to I'm using dtach in screen
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03:21<jm_>superjet_busy: do you know how to reproduce it easily?
03:21<jm_>superjet_busy: ahh yes, could be cause by dtach - why are you using that?
03:22<jm_>(in screen that is)
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03:24<superjet_busy>jm_: :) , I open screen with three tabs, screen will all detached if `c-a d`, while dtach works well for some apps, like rtorrent
03:24<superjet_busy>jm_: so, I often use dtach in screen.
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03:27<superjet_busy>jm_: at the same time, it's convenient to recall certain apps with its name
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03:29<Franki>I'm looking for a good, combined MIPS R2000/3000 simulator/debugger/assembler for debian etch either with a text or graphics(X) based ui.
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03:31<jm_>superjet_busy: right, I think no-one would treat this as important if it only happens with dtach inside screen
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03:34<Franki>ok, I found spim :)
03:34<Dronar>jm_ ok I've found how to set up themes
03:34<Dronar>Do you have any theme to recommend?
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03:38<boust>hello, perhaps you could be give me some help
03:38<boust>in order to update my dynamic IP to my domain registar when it changes, i wanna parse a line containing my IP :
03:38<boust><P ALIGN="center"><FONT size=8><BR>IP :<br></font><font size=3><i></i><br></font><font size=1><br><br>Pas de proxy détecté - No Proxy detected</font></html>
03:38<boust>But awk & sed 's manuals don't help me.
03:38<boust>Can someone help me ?
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03:38<jm_>Dronar: no, I don't use GNOME
03:39<jm_>boust: read sed&awk book from O'Reilly
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03:39<boust>la bonne blague tiens ...
03:39<boust>okay thanks for your help
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03:39<jm_>sed -e 's/^.*IP : \([0-9.]+\).*$/\1/'
03:40<jm_>or somesuch
03:40<Dronar>it's weird
03:40<Dronar>none of the themes in /usr/share/themes seem to work :(
03:40<jm_>ahh no change + to \+
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03:47<name>alguem me pode ajudar?
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03:47<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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04:01<KaiSVK>hi all
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04:03<KaiSVK>I am using lenny, does anyone know why are these packages gcc-3.4-base, gpac kept back ? broken deps ?
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04:03<dpkg>i guess kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see
04:03<SoulChild>Hi all,
04:04<SoulChild>Emacs Question: How do i remove the welcome-screen of emacs? I Don't want it to appear everytime i edit a file.
04:04<Franki>does anyone know a browser-compatible, more slim version of java than the sun-java6-... ?
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04:06<Nemoder>I don't think you can even put slim and java in the same sentence these days.
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04:08<Nemoder>there is gnu java but it seems to be more memory intensive than sun's
04:09<Franki>actually, there are just so many things in this package that I don't ever use and never used in the past 5 years. I both do use java for personal programming in the browser for some applets
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04:14<Franki>no one knows?
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04:46<hollo>hi.. someone that maybe can help me with making a forward of all emails on sendmail, and block the original email? i can only find stuff about smart host on google.. and i think the rewrite is a bit hard to understand.
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05:43<oddtod>hey guys i'm running debian lenny iwth encrypted partitions(luks) and i can't boot from cd's like i used to be able to and when i remove the hdd but put a hard drive on that isn't encrypted it boots just fine. so if i can't get the question answered here can someone at least point me in the right direction to find the answer
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05:45<Rougecitron>Hello, when I shutdown or reboot my computer, it stays stuck at INIT: no more processes in this runlevel. It seems the scripts starting with "S" are not executed in /etc/rc0.d/. could anyone help me fix this?
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05:49<jm_>oddtod: how exactly does booting from CD have anything to do with encrypted partitions?
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05:52<oddtod>jm_ well i know the windows disc looks to see if there is a recognisable OS and that is what causes it to skip the "press any key to boot to cd..." message but when i remove the hard drive it loads the cd properly. currently it skips the press any key screen and says inspecting hard ware then goes to a black screen and hangs.
05:52<oddtod>jm_: but as far as it not loading a live cd i'm not really sure why it wouldn't work but it doesn't when the disk is encrypted
05:52<jm_>oddtod: what kind of live-cd?
05:53<oddtod>i'm using both a copy of backtrack and a copy of ubuntu (hardy herring)
05:54<oddtod>and obviously a copy of xp which isn't a live disc but coming up with a similar issue
05:55<jm_>not familiar with any of those
05:56<oddtod>jm_: backtrack is a live suite used mainly for wep/wpa cracking and some other pen test stuff. but it was more of a question of if the encrypted disk effects the booting of such disks
05:56<oddtod>because @ this point i want to reinstall fresh with everything
05:59<jm_>oddtod: is the whole disk encrypted?
05:59<jm_>oddtod: is it IDE disk?
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06:00<oddtod>no its sata
06:00<oddtod>and the whole disk isn't encrypted just the first 3 partitions after /boot
06:01<jm_>does kernel detect the disk and partitions?
06:02<oddtod>yeah i can boot the current system just fine
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06:05<jm_>no with the live-cd
06:06<oddtod>i just asked in ubuntu and they said that the disk boots completely independant of the harddrive
06:07<oddtod>hmm i need to find a damn small linux jump drive then i could just blank the disks
06:10<jm_>then you are perhaps seeing an error totally unrelated to the fact the disks are encrypted
06:11<oddtod>maybe but its a little odd that when i remove the hard drive the machine likes the world and the hard drive seems to be working just fine
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06:12<oddtod>can debian erase the partition its booted from while running fromt hat patition?
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06:13<jm_>you need to check kernel messages when it hangs
06:14<jm_>yes it can
06:14<oddtod>its hanging so low level i can't
06:14<oddtod>fdisk work?
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06:15<jm_>sure you can, you would still receive kernel messages until it hangs
06:15<jm_>yeah fdisk
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06:16<oddtod>how would i retrieve the kernel message its only written to ram and i never have a chance to type anything in
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06:17<jm_>you would read them and remember them? i.e. your your own RAM!
06:17<jm_>use even
06:18<[machine]>oddtod: what's the boot order set in bios?
06:18<oddtod>how would i retreive them though i've never given a prompt and they aren't flashed up thing i see is a black screen
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06:18<oddtod>currently boot order is set to boot from cdrom but it was set to boot from hdd then cd rom then usb then lan
06:19<oddtod>i played with that value thinking it wasn't liking it for some reason
06:19<jm_>just tell the CD to not use FB/splash crap
06:19<amorphous>is there a 'sudo' eqivalent in etch so i can run gui apps (kuser) from a user account and have root priveleges?
06:19<[machine]>amorph: you using kde?
06:20<amorphous>[machine], yes
06:20<amorphous>that a good thing?
06:20<[machine]>in which case, chnage the menu definition to make it run as root
06:20<amorphous>or not
06:20<oddtod>amorphous: you most likely want to do a visudo
06:21<jm_>!tell amorphous -about sux
06:21<jm_>and etch has sudo too
06:21<oddtod>!tell oddto -about sux
06:21<themill>dpkg: root x
06:21<dpkg>If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <sux> <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>!
06:21<oddtod>!tell oddtod -about sux
06:22<[machine]>amorph: in the menu editor locate the kuser option and select run as different user
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06:22<themill>dpkg: tell oddtod about self tell
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06:23<amorphous>cheers gents, think i get the picture :) < jm_ Odd_Bloke [machine]
06:23<[machine]>you don't need to to any of that.... kde will use kdesu if you change it's run as option in the menu
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06:24<oddtod>jm_: it was definitly something about the encrypted disks, when i erased them and rebooted ubuntu booted live booted just fine with the disk in. i'm not really sure why it would effect it at all
06:25<amorphous>[machine], root
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06:29<jm_>oddtod: that's why inspecting the output shall help
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06:30<amorphous>[machine], sorry ^; i have ya, and running it as root was good, thanks ;)
06:31<[machine]>amorph: one nice thing, you can make kdesu use sudo instead of su
06:31<amorphous>jm_, oddtod sux looks good for my comand line stuff too :) ---- i win all 'round! thanks again gents
06:31<[machine]>(man kdesu)
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06:43<amorphous>any of you guys know of a fast-user-switcher applet equivalent for kde?
06:44<[machine]>switch user?
06:44<[machine]>third option up on the kde menu
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06:45<[machine]>fast is a bit optimistic, since it has to spawn a new X server but still
06:45<themill>amorphous: also available from the "unlock screen" dialogue if you run a kde screensaver.
06:46*[machine] nods
06:46<themill>[machine]: faster than logging out and logging back in. And once logged in then the *switching* is fast :)
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06:47<amorphous>there's not one that goes onto the panel? (am used to gnomes fast-user-switcher applet --- is perfect!!! ) ;)
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06:49<amorphous>[machine], my third option up is 'run programme] --- no switching option in there :(
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06:51<[machine]>logout, lock, switchuser here, run is fourth
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07:03<amorphous>if i'm running etch, that mean I lose the user-switching funtionality?
07:03<amorphous>and, looking forward... how can i get it, but keep etch (stable)
07:03<themill>amorphous: I have user switching working quite nicely with etch. Don't remember doing anything to enable it either.
07:03<amorphous>themill, in kde?
07:03<themill>amorphous: yeah
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07:04<amorphous>well, there's no sign of it here... not even in [machine] 's logout plan... i have to log out of one session and into another :(
07:05<themill>amorphous: if you lock the screen, do you get the option?
07:05<amorphous>do any of you know if it is a package? google is not being my friend
07:05<amorphous>themill, no
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07:08<themill>amorphous: do you have something like "ReserveServers=:1,:2,:3" in /var/run/kdm/kdmrc?
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07:10<amorphous>themill, i dont have anything beyond the /var/run/ along those lines, theres no kdm folders in there...
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07:11<themill>amorphous: ahh... /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
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07:13<themill>amorphous: have you customised the kdm greeter? (either through KControlCentre or by editing the file)
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07:15<amorphous>no... nothing at all... is default install
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07:15<themill>amorphous: of sarge or etch?
07:15<amorphous>Ahhh... i lie... i think i have set an auto login
07:15<amorphous>hang on -- i'll try to remove that
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07:16<themill>amorphous: the kdm greeter configuration thing in kcontrolcentre sometimes does silly things to the file and removes lots of other options. It's the usual trouble of trying to edit a text config file with a gui that didn't write the text config file in the first place.
07:16<gpb>i (still) have a problem with my X
07:17<amorphous>themill, Oh yeah...
07:17<gpb>dpkg-reconfigure gives an xorg.conf that's at "use defaults" (like it's supposed to do)
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07:17<gpb>but when I start it, I get a strange resolution
07:17<gpb>and font being extremely large because of that
07:18<gpb>is there a debian-approved way of *semi*-manually generate my xorg.conf?
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07:22<amorphous> i think gnomes going to have to go on... i need a switcher really for the environment it's going to be in, and i'm having problems with so many things in the k-menu... it's a nightmare to see the wood through the trees with everything being spelt with a K
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07:24<themill>amorphous: can't say I ever have any trouble; I can never find anything on the stupid gnome menus when I have to use them. It's just what you're used to.
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07:25<themill>amorphous: do you have descriptions turned on?
07:26<jm_>gpb: edit it by hand
07:27<themill>amorphous: For the fast switching thing, I'd suggest reverting to the original kdmrc file (you may need to get it out of the .deb again) and then checking it.
07:27<gpb>that's the manual way :(
07:27<gpb>i read about xorgconf etc
07:27<gpb>but that's not available in debian....
07:28<gpb>and my manual tries didn't turn out too great :(
07:28<jm_>yes that's how it is these days - edit it manually if it doesn't work out of the box
07:29<gpb>under good old xfree86 days there was some config program
07:29<gpb>asking for graphics card etc and doing it semi-manually then
07:29<themill>gpb: that good old config program rarely worked... that's why it's not around any more
07:30<themill>gpb: etch or lenny?
07:30<gpb>well, it worked for me
07:30<gpb>gave me a good starting point :)
07:30<gpb>upgraded from etch (only had etch dvd)
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07:31<themill>gpb: you realise that xorg.conf in lenny is supposed to work without a config file
07:31<gpb>i know...
07:31<gpb>it's *supposed* to
07:31<gpb>but dpkg-reconfigure *generates one
07:31<themill>gpb: it only generates a very minimal one though
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07:32<gpb>and that's my problem
07:32<gpb>i send my log to nopaste, mom
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07:40<amorphous>sorry... have phone call.. will be there shortly
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07:46<DTE>hi all
07:47<DTE>i have a program that require Apache/
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07:47<DTE>is there a package that contains for apache2?
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07:48<themill>DTE: /msg dpkg apt-file
07:48<gsimmons>!tell DTE -about search
07:50<DTE>no i found it why...because it was requiring apache1.x
07:50<Wesley> I'm trying to install using the netinst cd; i get the following error in syslog when installing grub: The file /boot/grub/stage2 was not read correctly. error Running 'grub-install --recheck --no-floppy ("hd0") failed. - any suggestions?
07:50<DTE>so that you have to install it in some order
07:50<gpb>anyone can help me with my xserver-problem?
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07:56<jm_>Wesley: you still haven't solved that?
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07:58<Wesley>jm_: no.. i really cant figure it out
07:58<DTE>uhm...why if i want to use apache:dbi i have to install almost all apache 1.x?
07:58<Wesley>its driving me nuts
07:58<DTE>isn't it compatible with apache2?
07:58<Wesley>can't find much online about it at all jm_
08:00<jm_>Wesley: I already told you what's causing it - file that grub reads via /sbin grub emulator is not the same as file read in shell where grub-install is running
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08:00<themill>DTE: do you already have apache installed? try installing the libapache2-mod-perl2 package first (or as well)
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08:02<DTE>themill: already did it
08:02<DTE>but when dbi is installed then is searching for a apache/
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08:02<Wesley>jm_: In that case sorry I might have already asked this.. but what exactly does that mean for me?
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08:03<Wesley>I verified the debian cd, even redownloaded it and reburned it
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08:04<jm_>Wesley: it means you need to figure out why this is happening, i.e. start sbin grub emulator and see what it does
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08:06<Wesley>I'm unable to start grub-install or grub from command line
08:06<Wesley>so how do I do such things?
08:06<jm_>in your chroot
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08:07<Wesley>could be hardware, hdd related?
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08:07<Wesley>bad sections inside the boot partition or something
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08:08<jm_>unlikely - you would see kenrel error if that's the case, have you verified that?
08:09<Wesley>well the syslog is pretty big, but dmesg didn't show any weird things
08:09<jm_>right after installing grub?
08:10<Wesley>well, didnt actualy install grub; but correct
08:10<jm_>ok after trying to install grub?
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08:11<Wesley>im now on a debian live cd trying to run fsck but that seems good, for the root partition anyways
08:11<jm_>then hardware errors are not very likely causing it - just run grub and repeat the commands grub-install uses (run it like this: debug=yes /usr/sbin/grub-install ...
08:12<Wesley>hmm yes but i'm not sure what exactly you did mean with the chroot envoirement
08:12<Wesley>as in the busybox shell thing grub and grub-install aint working
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08:12<jm_>mount your /, chroot into it, mount /
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08:12<jm_>erhm "mount /" should be "mount /proc"
08:13<Wesley>ok! ill try that
08:13<Wesley>can I do this on he live cd aswell?
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08:13<Wesley>it might even have the grub-installer
08:13<jm_>doing it form the live cd is the easiest way
08:13<jm_>you don't need it
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08:21<Wesley>mm the debian livecd is unable to find anything grub related jm_ hehe
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08:22<Wesley>oh btw lilo didnt work either
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08:23<jm_>Wesley: please ignore that, simply mount it and chroot into it like I said aboce
08:23<Wesley>I will. have to start the netinstall first now
08:24<jm_>no, use the live-cd!
08:24<jm_>or use netinst cd in rescue mode
08:24<Wesley>Ooh allright
08:25<Wesley>then I go back the the live cd sorry misunderstood you.
08:25<jm_>just boot whichever is faster
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08:27<PTom08>hello all
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08:28<Wesley>I accidently cleared my screen, what was the step to do jm_?
08:29<jm_>Wesley: you don't have scrollback in your IRC client?
08:29<jm_>Wesley: mount your /, chroot into it, mount /proc
08:29<Wesley>I do but got /clear'd
08:30<avu>Wesley, /clear doesn't delete the scrollback buffer on most clients
08:30<avu>Wesley, try pressing PageUp
08:31<Wesley>correct! but it did clear what jm_ said im afraid :) but all good now.
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08:32<PTom08><Wesley> heh
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08:33<PTom08>visik7: hh
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08:35<Wesley>allright im afraid im not sure how to do this jm_; i did mount /dev/sda1 /
08:35<jm_>Wesley: did it work?
08:35<Wesley>that did work, just not sure about the proc thing
08:36<Wesley>I tried mount proc /proc
08:36<visik7>PTom08: mu ?
08:36<jm_>you were supposed to mount it under /tmp/foo not /
08:36<Wesley>ahh allright. too late to do that now?
08:36<jm_>after mount it's chroot /tmp/foo and in chroot mount /proc
08:36<jm_>not sure, try umount / and see what happens, otherwise reboot and repeat
08:36<Wesley>the mount proc /proc didnt work
08:37<Wesley>ah i get it
08:38<Wesley>I think
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08:39<maxb>It would either be "mount /proc" (if you're expecting it to read from /etc/fstab), or "mount -t proc proc /proc" I think
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08:40<jm_>indeed, just use "mount /proc" - no need to complicate thigns further
08:40<jm_>and pay attention to what people tell you
08:42<rootkit_t>i just install phpmyadmin by apt-get without any warn or error,but when i try to visit it i got 500 wrong,any other php script are work fine,anyone know howto fix it?
08:43<Wesley>Ok so I did mkdir /temp/foo - mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/foo - chroot /tmp/foo - mount /proc; correct?
08:43<jm_>no, mkdir /tmp/foo ; mount ... ; chroot ...
08:43<Wesley>i tried "chroot mount /proc" but that gave an error
08:43<jm_>chroot /tmp/foo<enter> and in that shell type mount /proc<enter>
08:44<Wesley>I did
08:44<jm_>you didn't
08:44<seanius>or you can mount --bind /proc /tmp/foo/proc from outside the chroot
08:45<Wesley>where did I go wrong them jm_?
08:45<jm_>Wesley: "chroot mount /proc"
08:45<Wesley>I did mkdir, mount, chroot ..
08:45<jm_>chroot must give you shell on your debian system
08:45<Wesley>Ah well I thought that is how you wrote it. but it failed anyways..
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08:45<Wesley>so it should be good now
08:45<chealer>rootkit_t: what do you mean by "500 wrong"?
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08:47<Wesley>allright I re-did it in the good order now jm_
08:47<Wesley>just be on the safe side.
08:47<jm_>Wesley: is proc mounted in chroot?
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08:48<Wesley>I'd love to say yes.. but i'm not sure how to check this.
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08:48<jm_>mount<enter> ; ls /proc
08:48<Wesley>ah I knew that
08:49<rootkit_t>chealer:500 Internal Server Error
08:49<Wesley>proc on /proc type proc (rw)
08:49<rootkit_t>i just install phpmyadmin by apt-get without any warn or error,but when i try to visit it i got 500 wrong,any other php script are work fine,anyone know howto fix it?
08:49<Wesley>and yes ls /proc shows all its content
08:49<[machine]>root: what does /var/log/apache2/error.log show
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08:50<jm_>now run grub installer with debug=yes
08:50<rootkit_t>Wesley:/var/www/phpmyadmin/.htaccess: Option FollowSymLinks not allowed here
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08:53<rootkit_t>i just install phpmyadmin by apt-get without any warn or error,but when i try to visit it i got 500 error,any other php script are work fine,anyone know howto fix it?
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08:53<[machine]>root: on stable?
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08:54<[machine]>root: can you post /var/www/phpmyadmin/.htaccess to a pastebin?
09:00<rootkit_t>i restore the system,and reinstall it,seems it work fine now,i try to install mysql now.
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09:02<Wesley>jm_; what partition do I use for the grub install?
09:02<Wesley>the root partition or the extended?
09:02<jm_>Wesley: don't you want to install it on MBR?
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09:04<Wesley>yes hehe but not sure how that works with grub
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09:04<Wesley>I know how to install debian the normal way and know my way around it in general and what I dont know I try to lookup
09:04<Wesley>but having difficulties finding something specific for this
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09:05<Wesley>ah cool that works.
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09:05<Wesley>installation finished, no error reported
09:06<libervisco>I've installed a Debian testing bare system last night and then got GNOME and a few other things on it.. I was really impressed by how fast it was.. but then I started hitting glitches..
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09:07<libervisco>"Adjust Date and Time" on the clock applet doesn't work at all, system monitor shoots the CPU to 100% slowing the entire system, compiz wont work and the bug for it was reported two months ago without any satisfactorily response or fix, it also detects CDs that aren't even in the CD drive (acts as if there is a new audio CD in while there isn't, which is what I saw before on sid as well)
09:08<DTE>i was trying to install sun solaris on a debian ethc amd64
09:08<DTE>i read there were problem with pae on 32 system
09:08<DTE>but i think on amd64 there're not such problems
09:08<Wesley>Ehhr, now when I restart the machine it just loads grub jm_ hehe
09:08<jm_>Wesley: no menu?
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09:10<Wesley>if I type help I get a menu
09:10<Wesley>or options, however you want to name them
09:10<jm_>boot with the CD, mount, chroot, mount proc, run update-grub, exit, reboot
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09:20<Wesley>Oh wow, it started up
09:20<Wesley>Thanks a lot jm_.. still wonder why the netinstall cd goes wrong but this seems to work perfect
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09:26<Aleric>Since a couple of weeks (months?) I have mouse problems: if I try to select a piece of text it might not work the way I want (ie, as if I let go of the mouse button shortly halfway the selection). Also, I often have that I'm typing and suddenly a key that I pressed is repeated 20 times (without that I held it long at all)
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09:26<Aleric>Something is majorly f*cked up in the mouse department, but I don't know where to report that as a bug - because I have no clue which package, if any at all, is causing itttttttttttttttttttttttt.
09:27<Aleric>There you go... that t just repeated a lot :/
09:27<enouf>using usb devices?
09:27<enouf>what protocol in xorg?
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09:28<enouf>get ps/2 adapters like normal people ;-)
09:28<Aleric>My keyboard is PS/2 I think
09:28<rootkit_t>i just install phpmyadmin by apt-get without any warn or error,but when i try to visit it i got 500 error,any other php script are work fine,anyone know howto fix it?
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09:28<enouf>is that an Apple? or powerpc arch?
09:28<enouf>yeah, you Aleric ;-)
09:28<Aleric>I have an intel based pc
09:28<jm_>Aleric: there were several similar reports on lkml about this
09:29<enouf>Aleric: is it an apple?
09:29<Aleric>jm_: k, then I'm not the only one.
09:29<rootkit_t>it happened again after i setup mod_ssl
09:29<OdyX>rootkit_t: Can you point us to the error page ?
09:29<Aleric>enouf: no
09:29<OdyX>rootkit_t: did you restart (or force-reload) apache ?
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09:30<[machine]>rootkit: you have a clash between the .htaccess for phpadmin and the web server config
09:30<rootkit_t>OdyX:yes,i reload it.
09:30<Aleric>jm_: Any idea who is seeing this? I have 64bit machine with 4 cores... I thought it had to do with some race condition since it's not reproducable.
09:30<enouf>cat /proc/bus/input/devices
09:30<rootkit_t>machine:all confing is default
09:31<enouf>hrm, deeper issues
09:31<jm_>Aleric: I don't remember the details, various configs IIRC -- I didn't pay much attention to it ;)
09:31<rootkit_t>machine:seems debian apt system got bug again
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09:31<[machine]>rootkit: your web server config does not allow overrides, but your .htaccess for phpadmin wants to override Option FollowSymLinks
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09:32<[machine]>rootkit: if you googled, you would see that it has been reported before
09:32<enouf>booting with various kernel params? who's kernel?
09:32<Aleric>I'm using debian's kernel
09:32<Aleric>I forgot how to create my own kernel
09:32<rootkit_t>machine:i google it more than 100 times....
09:32<rootkit_t>machine:can you give me the url you found?
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09:35<Aleric>There are other annoying things that have to do with drag&drop I think. If I try to select some text, it can suddenly change the cursor into some 'clipboard' icon.
09:35<Aleric>Is there is a way to turn that off?
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09:36<Aleric>Or, I try to paste a password in a password field in iceweasel, and instead of pasting it - the browser is interpreting it as an url and opens ??? Argh
09:37<Aleric>That is soooo annoying. I really don't like those "smart" feautres.
09:37<Aleric>If I want to open an url, I'll paste it in the "open this url" field :/
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09:38<Aleric>I think the user interface of linux has degraded considerably in stability in the past years :/
09:39<OdyX>Aleric: then use linux user interfaces from before the past years !
09:39<Wesley>ext3_free_blocks: bit
09:39<Wesley>already cleared for block
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09:39<Aleric>OdyX: You're really smart, are you?
09:40<themill>Aleric: middle-button to navigate to the URL has been in firefox since netscape 3 (or even earlier)
09:40<OdyX>Aleric: my point is that the stability is our responsability too..
09:41<OdyX>for me, complaining about free software is non-sense: you have the freedom of making it better and you don't pay for it...
09:41<themill>Aleric: You can configure that behaviour in about:config, set middlemouse.contentLoadURL to false.
09:41<rootkit_t>machine:do you know howto fix it without modify .htaccess file?
09:42<Aleric>Hmm, ... it's only a "recent" problem. But not as large as the problem with text selection... I'm playing chess on some site, and when I move a piece it often happens that the piece is dropped halfway (on a square that make me lose the game). That is the exact same bug as the selection one. The effect is as if the mouse button is released and pressed again very quickly.
09:42<themill>Aleric: And pasting into a password field *should* work. (Does for me.. as long as I click *inside* the password field and not next to it)
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09:42<Aleric>themill: It usually works - but not always... perhaps I paste outside the field, but I'm not sure that is the only problem there :/
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09:48<sime>is there any apt source for firefox 3 in debian lenny?
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09:49<Nemoder>sime: I believe it is only in experimental at this point
09:49<dpkg>iceweasel3 is, like, available for people who want to live on the bleeding edge as experimental packages from lenny/sid. Ask me about <experimental> and realise that packages in experimental are not supported here. If you don't know what that means or why that is, then you shouldn't go anywhere near them.
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09:50<Wesley>Whats the way to go to do a full check on your HDD's for any errors, bad sectors etc?
09:50<Wesley>they're in a raid 1 array
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09:53<themill>ootput: if you have to ask, you shouldn't. (no such factoid exists)
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10:17<amorphous>I had a horrible time a few days ago trying to intall etch without sata drivers on the install disk. I came in here and it was all easy again, but logging was not on on my xchat & now i can't remember for the life of me how we did it :| --- can any of you remember how to install from cd? problem is that the SATA drivers wern't on the d-i disk...
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10:21<cahoot>used a kmuto installer?
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10:23<enouf>amorphous: passing the install generic.all_generic_ide=1 option?
10:25<amorphous>enouf, no... just sussed it --- netinst cd
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10:27<amorphous>enouf, sorted
10:28<enouf>ah, ok
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10:38<libervisco>Does sid have an equivalent of this? deb sid/updates main
10:38<libervisco>I mean deb lenny/updates main
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10:41<Gabriel>The gnome is include in Debian CD1?
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11:01<libervisco>testing is as unstable as unstable
11:01<SaintK>Hiya, i was wondering, can you install a Sid or Lenny package on a Etch system?
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11:02<themill>SaintK: no, not usually. /msg dpkg backport
11:03<SaintK>i see, thanks
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11:06<libervisco>is sid bootable at the moment?
11:07<libervisco>I just dist-upgraded, wondering if I should reboot :P
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11:19<libervisco>heh unstable is actually more stable than testing :D
11:19<porto>could someone help me with patching my kernel?
11:20<libervisco>I'm counting less bugs here, compiz works (sort of) and system monitor doesn't leak CPU time unlike on lenny
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11:28<porto>could someone help me with patching my kernel?
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11:29<alephnull_>porto: Perhaps if you had a specific question.
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11:32<seanius>libervisco: yes, compiz in lenny is unusable atm
11:33<seanius>hopefully in a few days 0.7.6-2 will migrate to lenny
11:33<shilow>does linux support quad core processors yet?
11:33<shilow>k thx
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11:48<libervisco>hrmmm now system tray doesn't work O_O
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11:49<libervisco>ah I quit it :P
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11:52<porto>I am trying to apply this patch ( ) to debian 4.0rc3, and when i do it some files are missing, i tried apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18, and some files are still missing, and it also asks for some 2.6.17 files and i can't install them with apt-get, i then tried to download them from, i then extracted them intot he /usr/src directory
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11:53<verticalvoid>hello everyone
11:53<porto>am i trying to run lokiwall (, and it requires that patch, as well as this one
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11:54<verticalvoid>i am trying to upgrade my kernel, and i create the package for the kernel, after I installed it and everything, the kernel image wasn't placed in /boot --- it was a custom built kernel config, I use grub ...
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11:57<verticalvoid>any help would be great, just pm me, i have my box booted up on the other side of the room, just on the other family PC now
11:58<cahoot>verticalvoid: didn't use kernelpackage?
11:58<libervisco>Why the hell does compiz affect sound??
11:59<verticalvoid>cahoot, sure did
11:59<libervisco>it stops every once in a while when compiz takes a bit of time to do something
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12:01<verticalvoid>so, my final package name was linux-image-2.6.25_custom1.0_i386, and then i did the install with dpkg -i packagename, and the howto online said that everything would be put into the right folders, but i looked in my /boot folder and the kernel image wasn't there
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12:02<kop>verticalvoid : (You can also look in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package for instructions.)
12:03<kop>verticalvoid : Should'a worked....
12:03<verticalvoid>kop, now, why would i want to do something as simple as look at documentation when i have everyone here to help me out? (just kidding) one moment
12:03<kop>verticalvoid : If you're looking for the initrd then you need to build with --initrd (iirc). Maybe the kernel is there but the initrd is not?
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12:05<kop>verticalvoid : (I like the --buildpackage option, the one that build everything.)
12:05<kop>gui: Hi.
12:05<verticalvoid>kop, i used the --initrd command, hold on, let me give the actual command so we know the process that i did
12:06<kop>verticalvoid : My brain is mush, and I gotta go. You might want to paste (/msg dpkg pastebin) the output of "ls -lh /boot" so people can see what's there.
12:07<verticalvoid>ok thanks
12:07<kop>verticalvoid : Oops. not --buildpackage, just buildpackge.
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12:07<verticalvoid>aww, ok, well, when i ran make-kpkg i used the --initrd flag
12:09<verticalvoid>and no one else around ?
12:09<verticalvoid>thanks anyway kop
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12:12<gui>someone has already installed the ispconfig
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12:17<phillip>what have i got to do when i want to run Intel WifiLink 4965?
12:17<phillip><--- newbie
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12:20<blarson>!tell phillip about iwl4965
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12:22<phillip>no such packet found
12:22<gsimmons>phillip: Which Debian suite are you using?
12:23<Aleric>did you do an apt-get update?
12:23<Aleric>after adding nonfree
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12:23<phillip>just a sec
12:23<phillip>how can i add nonfree
12:24<Aleric>!tell phillip about non-free sources
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12:31<phillip>THX seems to work
12:31<phillip>how can i load modules each start automatically?
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12:33<avu>phillip, /etc/modules
12:33<phillip>thx :D fast support
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12:35<phillip>Thanks, i hope it works all now...
12:35<phillip>just testing a little bit
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12:49<wo_>i have no sound
12:49<wo_>why not
12:49<wo_>sound is good to have
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12:51<Aleric>Talking about sound...
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12:51<jilvanildo>você gosta de que
12:51<Aleric>I saw "August Rush" yesterday... and I'm still crying when I think about it...
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12:52<jilvanildo>mora a onde?
12:53<jilvanildo>i am play soccer
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13:00<phillip>someone of you using a nvidia 8400 M GT with debian?
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13:06<phillip>where can i download the latest driver vor 8400 M GT?
13:06<phillip>where can i find linux nvidia drivers?
13:06<phillip>how to install? :-/
13:06<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
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13:15<Karl80386>Can somebody help me? My screen turns into black when I boot Debian.
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13:57<MotoHoss>Karl80386 : uthere?
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13:58<MotoHoss>Karl80386 : should get at least a root prompt wid <ctr-alt-F1>
14:00<Karl80386>I'll try. It's booting.
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14:02<Medalgod>^^ull get a terminal, log in as who the hell you like, then it's probs a gdm conf issue (assuming you're using gnome as ure default desktop gui)
14:04<Karl80386>I input the name, but the keys don't work when I try to input the password. I can press enter, but then I'm inputting an empty password.
14:05<Medalgod>thats just the way to stop people shoulder-surfing you're password
14:05<Medalgod>type it anyway and hit enter
14:05<Medalgod>it'll work :0
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14:06<Medalgod>it's what happened before the asterisk came along :p
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14:06<phillip>hello again
14:06<phillip>i have troubles with nvidia
14:06<phillip>cant install on debian way
14:06<Karl80386>It says that it is an incorrect password.
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14:07<Medalgod>cos the passwords wrong :P
14:07<Medalgod>u trying to log in as ur normal user?
14:07<phillip>installation of source is failed
14:07<claudio>IRC is so cool
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14:07<phillip>but i have contrib and non-free in my sources list
14:08<phillip>but he can't find any packets
14:08<Karl80386>how to log in as a normal user?
14:08<phillip>i have lenny
14:08<Medalgod>when you do a ctry+alt+f(x)
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14:08<Medalgod>it will prompt you with a terminal login
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14:08<Medalgod>login as any user, either root or you're normal user
14:08<phillip>does somebody have any idea
14:09<phillip>i used the how to from the wiki.
14:09<Medalgod>^^soz mate, i dont have an nVidia gpu
14:09<Medalgod>although ive just ordered one so i soon will have if you wait a week :p
14:09<Karl80386>PERMITTED! I am in ~#
14:10<phillip>buhuuuu :D
14:10<phillip>nobody else a idea?
14:10<Medalgod>so, karl is this a clean install
14:10<Medalgod>or have you had a gui working before
14:11<Karl80386>maybe, because the screen got black like disconnected when boot
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14:11<Medalgod>but is this a clean install?
14:11<Medalgod>i.e have you just installed it
14:12<phillip>is the nvidia-kernel-source in the official repos. for lenny?
14:12<Aleric>Probably not...
14:12<Karl80386>I have just installed the OS, and i've selected the option to install a gui during the installation
14:12<Medalgod>its a propriotory driver set so probably nbot phil
14:12<Medalgod>ok karl
14:12<Medalgod>so this may be a xorg issue
14:13<Medalgod>try running a dpkg-recofigure xserver-corg
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14:13<Aleric>phillip: Maybe my howto helps you:
14:13<Medalgod>dont run that
14:13<Medalgod>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
14:13<phillip>thx will try
14:14<Karl80386>it says that xerver-xorg is not installed
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14:15<Medalgod>xserver not xerver
14:16<phillip>Medalgod, you tried btw it is secure?
14:16<Medalgod>i tried wt?
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14:17<Karl80386>what to do in the "video card's bus identifier" window?
14:18<Medalgod>karl, it may be that you didnt chek gui in the install, but presses [enter] rather than [space] to chek the box, in which case do a:
14:18<Medalgod>apt-get install -y gnome
14:18<phillip>sry, was Aleric
14:18<Medalgod>leave it as wt it is atm
14:18<phillip>Aleric, tried? Wich way did u use?
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14:18<Medalgod>unless it's blank
14:18<Aleric>phillip: I wrote it
14:18<phillip>oh, n1
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14:18<phillip>wich way would you prefer for a newbie?
14:19<phillip>compatible to lenny?
14:19<phillip>dont have much knowledge about kernel and stuff
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14:19<daniel_>hi, whats changes with xorg.conf? now where i change displat etc?
14:19<Aleric>It's especially for lenny.
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14:19<Medalgod>do you have to reconfig the kernel to install a new gpu, i thought wt with debian being a verry generic kernel you didn;t have to bother
14:20<Aleric>phillip: It requires you to add lines for unstable to sources.list, see the paragraph "Preparations"
14:20<Medalgod>i could understand in say gentoo, but deb?
14:20<phillip>ok, thx
14:20<Medalgod>daniel do a :
14:20<Medalgod>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
14:20<Aleric>phillip: Be sure to add the APT::Default-Release "testing"; line, or add pinning
14:20<daniel_>this dont work likie usualy
14:20<Aleric>s/testing/lenny/ if you want. I use 'testing' everywhere.
14:21<Medalgod>man ive given the same command in the space of 10 mins, what's the world comin too
14:21<daniel_>i can only change mouse and keyboard
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14:21<Medalgod>wt ver of debian is tht daniel
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14:21<Medalgod>etch, lenny or sid
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14:22<Medalgod>then idk, the method for reconfiguring gfx out changed after etch
14:22<Medalgod>and im on etch ;)
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14:23<daniel_>yeah but etch have old packages... lenny is better on desktop
14:23<Aleric>phillip: see private messages
14:23<morph_>hi all
14:24<Medalgod>not if you're running it for moths without a reboot, under loads that's pushing the system's limit :P
14:24<morph_>what I have to use to boot with lilo and lvm? with 2.6.25 I got a panic if I use root=/dev/mapper/system-root both in lilo.conf and as parameter
14:25<Karl80386>configured. how to init X gui?
14:25<morph_>with 2.6.22 I can boot but only specifying root=/dev/mapper/system-root as parameter, not in lilo.conf
14:25<morph_>any clue?
14:25<Medalgod>go bk to tty7 with a ctrl+alt+f7
14:25<Medalgod>then pres
14:25<Medalgod>to restart gdm
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14:26<Karl80386>Wow! works.
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14:26<Medalgod>:), enjoy ;)
14:27<Medalgod>morph, i'd reccomend a switch to GRUB, these days it's the new standard in linux boot loading and it better maintained & also more configurable
14:27<Karl80386>not yet. incorrect password...
14:27<Medalgod>i'd be able to help you then
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14:27<Medalgod>Karl, it sends the pswds to the same files as the terminal so the passwds will be the same
14:27<Medalgod>but it may be set up to not allow root login
14:28<Medalgod>(you don't want to use root on a daily basis anyway as a regular account)
14:28<morph_>Medalgod: I'm a little bit scared to migrare to grub, but lilo it's still used a lot, I suppose
14:28<morph_>Medalgod: anyhow, thanks for your support!
14:28<Medalgod>ok, but sorry I've forgotten how to use lilo, been using GRUB for too long :p
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14:29<Karl80386>ok, i entered, it was only an uppercase letter. :-)
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14:29<morph_>Medalgod: no problem, I got only to fing the right commands :)
14:29<Medalgod>how about the man pages
14:29<Medalgod>man is... after all the worlds greates command :p
14:30<Karl80386>is there a faster/smaller gui? I have a Pentium MMX with 32MB RAM
14:31<Medalgod>yes, there is. But i'd reccomend a ligheter small OS in general & then an uber light gui
14:31<Gathond>Karl80386: probably, what are you using now?
14:31<Medalgod>maybe gentoo with xfce
14:31<Gathond>Karl80386: although seriously put more memory into that machine
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14:31<Medalgod>or just see ebay
14:32<KaiSVK>hi all
14:32<Medalgod>for a tenner you can get a machine about 50x more powerful :p
14:32<ansgar>Or even for free.
14:32<Medalgod>see the tip :p
14:32<Karl80386>not bad idea
14:32<ansgar>We just threw away faster computers than that.
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14:33<Medalgod>mind u, until just a couple of months ago i used a PIII coppermine as my main system
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14:33<Medalgod>now I have a 2CPU Pentium D @ 3.0 GHz ea and it stil aint powerful enuf :p
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14:34<Medalgod>i walways wanted to make a server cluster to mpower my desktop :p
14:34<Medalgod>just for the fun of it
14:35<Karl80386>it is still loading :)
14:35<Medalgod>how fasts this CPU agen?
14:36<Karl80386>P-MMX at 233 MHz
14:36<Medalgod>nt too terrible then
14:36<Medalgod>perfectly useable
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14:36<ansgar>I wonder if the CPU of my mobile is faster than that (clocked at ~350MHz). At least it has twice the RAM :-)
14:37<Medalgod>as i say tho, u probs wna change to a lighter gui, and a custom compiled kernel as a bare minimum, entire OS custom compiled out of preference :p
14:37<ansgar>Nowadays there are even cell phone with dual core CPUs...
14:37<Karl80386>i think i'll not shut down my computer because of the loading time
14:38<Medalgod>i dont shut mine dont... cos i cba :s
14:38<Karl80386>i have to learn at least 2 unix commands
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14:38<Medalgod>hpw about ls and cd
14:38*amphi thinks Medalgod sounds like a gentooligan
14:38<Medalgod>only a lil bit
14:38<Medalgod>debian is where my true passion lies
14:39<Karl80386>i'm with debian because FreeBSD spent more than 30 hours installing and i had to shut down my computer
14:39<phillip>Aleric, can you say me an example for the sources
14:39<phillip>i cant find a valid mirror
14:39<Medalgod>bsd compiles it's own code rather than using pre-compiled binaries karl, which is why it'll take longer
14:39<Aleric>phillip: pm
14:40<Medalgod>well, all bsd distro's i can think of
14:40<Medalgod>(which isn't many, never really took a liking to BSD)
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14:42<Karl80386>Great! now my mouse doesn't work... it jumps in random directions when I move it
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14:42<Medalgod>you can use ure num pad as ur mouse if u wnt :p
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14:43<Medalgod>..or u cud fix ur mouse, but thatd be borin o_-
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14:44*Medalgod thinks that having to wait a whole 50 more mins for the grand prix to finish dl'ing is just torture
14:44<Karl80386>but whenever i touch something, the disk works a lot
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14:44<Medalgod>try using hdparm to check disk i/o speeds, they'll probnably be prehistorically crap
14:44<valdyn>Karl80386: out of ram
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14:45<Medalgod>ye, swapping
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14:45<Brujo>anybody know a irc channel of player stage?
14:45<Medalgod>swapping + old hdd = bad
14:45<Medalgod>need a lighter setup :p
14:46<Brujo>or anyone know a good page for player/stage?
14:46<Karl80386>what a big gui! it deeds more than 32MB? I am thinking about DosShell, it works with 1MB
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14:47<Medalgod>big GUI, try vista on that :p
14:47<valdyn>Karl80386: dosshell runs not even on a real operating system
14:47<Medalgod>^^wel sed
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14:48<Karl80386>but, if i only need a free OS, i can install FreeDOS and maybe make my own gui
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14:48<valdyn>Karl80386: but.. 32mb ram can be enough to run X, just not the stuff you are running in X or beside X
14:48<valdyn>Karl80386: haha
14:48<valdyn>Karl80386: go ahead make your own gui
14:48<Medalgod>gud luk :s
14:49<Medalgod>be sure to mail me a copy
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14:49<Karl80386>i mean only a file explorer, not more
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14:49<Medalgod>just use a terminal
14:49<Medalgod>^^fixes all
14:49<valdyn>Karl80386: what are you running in X? gnome?
14:50<Karl80386>no, alone
14:50<valdyn>Karl80386: hardly, X doesnt do anything useful "alone"
14:50<Medalgod>karl, ure using gnome
14:50<Medalgod>i just got u set up :p
14:50<libervisco>How to get rid of those mounted file systems on the GNOME desktop?
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14:51<Medalgod>unmount then
14:51<valdyn>libervisco: like which?
14:51<Karl80386>are there progs. like BCPP IDE? i mean, i dont like to compile at command line
14:51<Medalgod>wdya mean
14:51<valdyn>Karl80386: what is bcpp ide?
14:51<libervisco>I don't want to unount them valdyn, just make them not to show on desktop :)
14:51<libervisco>er Medalgod I mean
14:51<valdyn>libervisco: i asked "like which" only
14:51<Medalgod>open gnome config, there may be an option, but i cnt be sure
14:52<Medalgod>i seem to remember there being
14:52<valdyn>there is an option but that one will also hide the cdrom
14:52<ansgar>Karl80386: Why do you want to use an ancient computer for software development?
14:52<valdyn>which might or might not be what he wants
14:52<Karl80386>BCPP IDE is Borland C ++ "integrated developement environment"
14:53<Medalgod>if you can hide one mounted drive, it makes sense for you to be able to hid others o_-
14:53<valdyn>Karl80386: c++ on 32mb ram is silly
14:53<Karl80386>it is like a gui, but in text mode
14:53<libervisco>valdyn, actually I don't want to hide the CD, just the HD ones
14:53<valdyn>libervisco: that is what i though
14:53<libervisco>I guess I'd have to look at gconf..
14:53<Medalgod>karl, it's not a gui but a toolchain for developing bordland code
14:53<amphi>Karl80386: on linux, such interfaces are provided by libncurses
14:53<Karl80386>why is silly?
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14:53<valdyn>Karl80386: because C++ is huge
14:54<valdyn>Karl80386: you cant seriously develop in C++ on a 32mb computer
14:54<Medalgod>compiling any complex code on an old machine takes the micheal :P
14:54<valdyn>Karl80386: ( though maybe on what borland calls C++, but not real c++
14:54<Karl80386>I have a 15MB C++ installation
14:54<Karl80386>not huge
14:54<ansgar>Hehe, I once compiled the linux kernel (2.0.x) on a 386 or 486. That took about 36 hours ;-)
14:54<valdyn>Karl80386: thats not C++ really, the standard libraries alone are bigger
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14:55<Karl80386>so i have to install debian on this computer (P4, 1GB RAM)?
14:55<Medalgod>takes alot less time than that these days eh :P
14:55<valdyn>Karl80386: no, you do what you want
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14:56<ansgar>Karl80386: It would at least be less painful. You could even run it in a virtual machine and it would likely still be faster.
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14:56<Medalgod>you CAN develop on a machine that old, it'll just take you lots more time compiling than it will writing :p
14:56<Karl80386>i only have to change the hard drive, without removing any Wxp data
14:56<Karl80386>no need of another install
14:56<valdyn>Karl80386: why dont you develop on wxp?
14:56<Medalgod>you can install linux & XP side by side
14:57<Medalgod>in a dual boot
14:57<Medalgod>i (for some reason) have a dual boot, although its been half a year since i booted XP :S
14:57<Medalgod>and that was just for 10 mins in an old game lol
14:57<Karl80386>yes but, if i corrupt something?
14:58<dpkg>backup is probably something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression), or <lolcat1>
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14:58<Medalgod>nt that i ever bother
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14:58<cogwheel>Medalgod, you lucky... at least you don't have vista in yer dualboot :<
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14:59<Medalgod>i remember i just finished building a set of scripts to do a full debian custom setup (installed and configured several servers, clients & general progs, installed user accounts etc) and then i had 2 hard disks blow up on me, the original and the backup... in the space of a week :p
14:59<Karl80386>i'll try simply changing the disk and reconfiguring the video drv
14:59<Medalgod>cogwheel... reccomended advice: remove it
14:59<cogwheel>i'd be more glad to than you would ever be
15:00<Medalgod>wel do it then, no hard task :P
15:00<cogwheel>but i need windows for some programs and i don't have an xp disk >_>
15:00<Medalgod>get one :p
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15:00<cogwheel>i don't want to waste my money :>
15:00<Medalgod>seriously, ive only ever used vista in VMware and it drove me insane
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15:00<cogwheel>i was once forced to *use* vista for a couple of weeks... there's no hope for me to ever regain my sanity
15:01<Medalgod>too many, "this prog may be insecure"..."are you sure"...are you really sure"..."how sure are you"
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15:01<Karl80386>i hate the vista soundrec, it doesn't have almost any buttons
15:01<cogwheel>you know.. my computer went bananas one day, and uh.. i wouldn't really want to talk about it :>
15:01<Medalgod>for me, returniong to windows would be like returning to geting oem comp's rather than building em myself... it would just kill me to do it o_-
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15:02<Karl80386>and the explorer, too
15:02<Medalgod>gt sumit u guys mite like actually
15:02<Karl80386>sometimes i use win3.11
15:02<Medalgod>3.1... ive gt a vmware setup of that sumwre
15:03<Medalgod>and a 95 one too
15:03<cogwheel>what's sumwre?
15:03<Karl80386>what vmare means?
15:03<Medalgod>sumwre on my filesystem
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15:03<Medalgod>and vmware is a virtual machine emulator
15:03<cogwheel>Karl80386, vmware is a virtual machine operator.. something like qemu
15:03<Medalgod>allows you to install an OS inside you're OS
15:03<cogwheel>emulator right.. that's the word
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15:04<Karl80386>like DOSBox, where i play my DOS games, because wxp doesn't support anything
15:04<Medalgod>uh huh
15:05<Medalgod>you could put dos in vmware and have a real dos install for them games :)
15:05<valdyn>Karl80386: be glad it doesnt
15:05<cogwheel>wine's a nice one as well
15:05<Medalgod>wel yes and no to dosbox & wine, wine & dosbox emulate the operating system, vmware emulates the BIOS & peripherals
15:05<cogwheel>manages to emulate one of those programs i needed windows for :)
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15:06<Medalgod>wt are the software you need windows for
15:06<cogwheel>i've never used vmware, but i've tried qemu once
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15:06*Medalgod has vmware running most of the time...
15:07<cogwheel>tclkit (i now manage to emulate it via wine now), modplug tracker (use it sometimes to convert my modplugs to mp3s), and some games
15:07<Medalgod>, the great downfall of Linux :p
15:07<cogwheel>yep >_>
15:07<Karl80386>i have a "Realtek Gigabit LAN" adaptor, will debian detect it? or should i download the driver now
15:07<cogwheel>though i don't play often
15:07<Medalgod>i dnt rly play em anymore tho
15:07<Medalgod>it shud Karl
15:08<Medalgod>debian dus a gud job of doing the dirty work for ya
15:08<Medalgod>on an install
15:08<Karl80386>i love them
15:09<cogwheel>what branch of debian you use btw? i use lenny/testing
15:09<Medalgod>ive never really been a hud gamer, when i liked games, i didnt have good enuf computer to run any of them... now I have i don't want to run them :p
15:09<Medalgod>i use etch
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15:09<Medalgod>stability > flashy tat
15:09<cogwheel>latest version of stuff <3
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15:09<Karl80386>hey! is there a GTA vice city or san andreas for unix? or i need wine?
15:10<Medalgod>well, cedega claims full SA & VC support out of the box so thts probs ur best bet
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15:11<Medalgod>wt hard disks have everyone here got?
15:12<Karl80386>currently 405MB, 2GB, 4GB, 160GB, and 500GB
15:13<Medalgod>wt brand, speed, buffer size & interface?
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15:13<Medalgod>i used to use a 500GiB, a 250GiB & a 160Gib, but 2 of em blew up :9
15:13<Gathond>Karl80386: you actually still bother running a 405 MB disk?
15:13<Karl80386>yes, for dos/w31
15:13<Gathond>Medalgod: the latest I bought was 1TB green WD drives
15:14*cogwheel is ashamed that he doesn't know the command that gives yer hard drive sizes :<
15:14<Medalgod>wt kinda sustained I/O speed dus that get
15:14<cogwheel>other than gparted :D
15:14<Gathond>Medalgod: the WD one
15:14<Gathond>Medalgod: accoridng to hdparm around 76 MB/s
15:14<rajntxk>window 3.1?? why?? lol
15:14<Karl80386>i don't know, i don't test it
15:14<Gathond>good enough for my usage anywa
15:14<Medalgod>better than mine
15:15<Karl80386>w31 is for file managing under dos, better than dosshell
15:15<rajntxk>bah norton commander :P
15:15<Medalgod> Timing cached reads: 2008 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1003.36 MB/sec
15:15<Medalgod> Timing buffered disk reads: 234 MB in 3.00 seconds = 77.96 MB/sec
15:15<Gathond>and if the claim of saving 5-10W is true they will pay for themselves over the next few years
15:15<Medalgod>i take that bak... 77 :p
15:16<Medalgod>i would like some SCSI or SDD disks, but i just cant afford em :(
15:16<Gathond>SDO's might be good
15:16<Gathond>SDD sorry
15:16<Medalgod>infact i gt it rong
15:16<Medalgod>not sdd, wtf am i on today
15:16<cogwheel>hm.. my hdd seems to be 71GB
15:16<Gathond>but to be honest for the most bit what I do access often is in the ram cache anyway
15:17<cogwheel>or 65GB...
15:18<Gathond>perhaps I should look into parking the drives on standby
15:18<Medalgod>i use my PC to run a couple of VMware's dl from usenet, UL to peeps who want stuff off me using HTTP & FTP, aswell as P2P & a media centre so the hard disks take a pounding o_-
15:18<Medalgod>wel actually, its hard disk atm... only the one, lonely bitch :p
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15:19<cogwheel>well at least my hdd consists of 70104440832 1-byte blocks ( and that /1024*1024 is about 65) and that 71GB came from $(df -H) so..
15:19<cogwheel>i guess it's 65GB
15:19<Medalgod>lol, i still have a 4gig rnd hre sumwre... n thts as old as i hve, the rest have been binned
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15:20<cogwheel>oh and i do have two external hard drives
15:20<cogwheel>other is 250GB and the other would be 320 but is defunct >_>
15:20<Medalgod>i hve 2 usbdisks... SSD not HDD tho
15:20<Medalgod>64meg, 2gig & 4 gig :p
15:21<cogwheel>worse, the 320GB one would have a nice bunch of data >.<
15:21<Medalgod>o dea
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15:22<Medalgod>thrs an idea for karl actually, use a usbdisk as a swap drive o_-
15:22<Medalgod>is he even stil here :p
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15:22<Medalgod>o... no (20:18:42) Karl80386 left the room (quit: ).
15:22<UBUNTUJAY123>how do i get dream linux live cd to boot in gnome
15:23<UBUNTUJAY123>it only boot in xfc
15:23<amphi>UBUNTUJAY123: ECHAN
15:23<Medalgod>this is debian... not "dream linux"
15:23<Medalgod>w/eva that is :s
15:23<cogwheel>what's "w/eva"? :>
15:23<cogwheel>i did know that >_> it was sarcastic in a way
15:24<Medalgod>tnk god
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15:24<Medalgod>i may be young, but... it's hardly lingo no1's herd of :p
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15:24<amphi>sadly, most of us have seen people 'speak' tard
15:24<Whoppix27>ci siete
15:25<mario>tudo bien
15:25<Medalgod>^^ these guys joined at the rite time for the speaking crap contest
15:25<mario>o que
15:25<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:26*Medalgod dusnt rly no any spanish... so wont be much use to them :P
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15:26<amphi>nor english, it would seem
15:27<Medalgod>ok fairy nuf
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15:28<Medalgod>anyways... almost finished dl'n the grand prix so bye all ;)
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16:31<Azhrarn>hmm, has anyone run into any issues using fileschanged+famd/gamin on large (size and file count) file systems? It seems to choke horribly doing a recursive monitor, won't even quit with ctrl-c
16:32<Azhrarn>although non recursive works fine
16:32<Azhrarn>not sure if it's libfam or fileschanged that is getting overwhelmed as of yet
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16:36<MotoHoss>After a fresh install of Lenny is /home owned and group root? I made a mistake and copied /home instead of /home/foo/
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16:42<client>hi, i tried using the debian internet install. My wireless card is detected and i enter all my network info but it won't connect to download packets, any idea what the problem might be?
16:43<shze>client: do you have the firmware? or is it included on the install media?
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17:49<Karl80386>Where can I get wine?
17:50<azeem>apt-get install wine
17:50<lesenzro>hmm that won't get anywhere near the latest version
17:51<azeem>lesenzro: it will get you the latest version for your particular version of Debian, as with every other package
17:51<lesenzro>yes but way out of date :P
17:51<lesenzro>wine changes often
17:52<azeem>Linux does as well
17:52<lesenzro>anyone wanting wine should check
17:53<azeem>lesenzro: that's a totally unqualified statement for a support channel
17:53<lesenzro>that's your opinion
17:53<valdyn>wine has plenty regressions at all times, worth checking older versions either way
17:54<valdyn>and new versions are in lenny and sid
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17:54<azeem>1.0-rc1-1~bpo40+1 [backports]: amd64 i386
17:54<azeem>if that is too old for you, *shrug*
17:54<lesenzro>1.0rc4 is out
17:55<azeem>lesenzro: OMG, 2.6.26rc4 is out!!
17:55<lesenzro>apples and oranges
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17:56<azeem>rc1 is not even a month old
17:56<azeem>lesenzro: so please stop trolling
17:56<snogglethorpe>lesenzro: i think he's saying you're being a wee bit of a fanboy
17:57<valdyn>Karl80386: has decent information on which version of wine you need for which program
17:57<azeem>lesenzro: maye *you* need the latest stuff, that's fine, but please do not interfere with Debian support then
17:57<valdyn>Karl80386: newer is not nearly always better
17:57<lesenzro>ahh i forget the Debian way
17:57<azeem>I admit the wine package was in a pretty bad shape for a while, but it's quite current right now in etch-backports, lenny and unstable
17:57<lesenzro>my error
17:57<Karl80386>i habe just installed it
17:58<Karl80386>where is it installed?
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17:58<azeem>Karl80386: dpkg -L wine
17:58<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*)
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18:01<Karl80386>can i activate autoscroll?
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18:03<Azhrarn>has anyone had experience mirroring large file directories across servers? I'm trying to minimize rsync scans, but having a hard time finding an alternative to fileschanged + fam/gamin (fileschanged freezes up on the scan)
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18:05<rootkit_t>OMG!!i can't stop mysql server now...
18:05<rootkit_t>Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed!
18:05<rootkit_t>invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "stop" failed.
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18:10<kevind23>What's the kernel module that controls the internal speaker? I thought it was pc_speaker, but modprobe says otherwise.
18:11<themill>kevind23: might be pcspkr that you're looking for
18:11<seanius>Azhrarn: have you tried rsync v3?
18:11<kevind23>Thanks, the-dude
18:11<Azhrarn>hmm, haven't heard of anythign special relating to rsync
18:12<Azhrarn>does it use inotify somehow?
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18:12<seanius>Azhrarn: no, but it is supposed to be much more memory efficient for large transfers anyway
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18:12<kevind23>Oh, well since I'm already here.. my keyboard has extra buttons at the top, and I'd like to use them to control my media player (amarok), but KeyTouch for some reason kills my home key and I don't know of any alternatives.
18:13<Azhrarn>well, I still need to see how feasible it may be to jsut use rsync
18:13<Azhrarn>but I need files to be synced within a minute or so of changing
18:13<Azhrarn>so was trying to research alternatives
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18:14<Azhrarn>the tree itself is 80 gigs or so, with hundreds of thousands of files
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18:20<seanius>Azhrarn: filesystem snapshot?
18:21<seanius>if your time constraint is because of needing to make the disk read-only during the sync, that is
18:21<seanius>s/filesystem/lvm/ maybe
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18:22<Azhrarn>kind of
18:23<Azhrarn>filesystem snapshot for some server processes
18:23<Azhrarn>the servers access the files in a load balance, so tehy need to be available to all the servers relatively quickly
18:23<Azhrarn>currently we run two of the servers on nfs, but the third one can't use that for various reasons
18:25<seanius>if you put it on lvm you could do snapshotting for that
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18:25<seanius>mount fs readonly, create snapshot, mount fs readwrite. then at your leisure you can do the rest
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18:26<seanius>fsck/replay journal, sync from snapshot, delete snapshot
18:26<Azhrarn>hmm replay journal sounds promising, similiar to mysql slave replication
18:26<Azhrarn>that sounds fairly heavy though
18:26<Azhrarn>mount/sync/umount 80+ gigs every few minutes?
18:27<seanius>every few minutes? ew.
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18:27<Azhrarn>I'm not sure it's necessarily possible to do it in a reasonable timeframe
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18:27<Azhrarn>although inotify would do what I want, if it would just scan the whole tree
18:28<Azhrarn>*report for the whole tree
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18:29<seanius>unless something goes wrong with the script and it dies, or if a sync fails
18:29<seanius>in which case you completely lose consistency
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18:30<Azhrarn>well, I can still run a nightly/weekly rsync
18:30<seanius>what *is* it that you're doing, exactly
18:30<Azhrarn>replicating static content from a file server to an offsite high bandwidth server
18:31<Azhrarn>that needs to handle content uploads (images for articles/user avatars) relatively quickly
18:31<Azhrarn>we have two onsite web servers, that read everything from an nfs mount
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18:32<Azhrarn>but moving them all to use a load balanced static. domain
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18:32<Azhrarn>so if the content gets uploaded, it needs to make it to the offsite server to avoid dead links
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18:33<Azhrarn>I'm considering putting triggers on any upload scripts to force a sync on that file, but was looking into other solutions
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18:39<Karl80386>how do i execute wine?
18:42<Azhrarn>oooh I think I struck paydirt - /proc/sys/fs/inotify/
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18:45<kop>I've made a hyperlink in open office, and now want to put more plain text after the link, but it always adds to the hyperlink text. I'm in a footnote. How do I append more plain text?
18:45<kop>Karl80386 : There's probably menu item.
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18:46<client>hi, is the command line based irc for linux called iriss?
18:47<Karl80386>i can't see wine in the menu
18:47<amphi>client: irssi
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18:47<themill>Karl80386: you don't really ever execute wine, you run something with wine. What are you trying to do?
18:48<client>thanks amphi.... i'll probably be back using that... my X server isn't working...
18:48<amphi>irssi is nice in an xterm too ;)
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18:52<bluex>anyone know how to load dmraid pre-partitioning?(to find the bios SW-raid on a nforce mboard...) fedora seems to do that by default, debian didn't when i was gonna install it (dualbooting win and fedora atm)
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18:53<Azhrarn>inotify-tools is where it's at. Dosumentation referencing the /proc/ switches, and it even tells you what it's doing (as in, when it's done establishing file hooks/watches)
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18:55<Azhrarn>sorry bluex, was in reference to something else. I have no idea about dmraid. ;)
18:55<bluex>hehe np =)
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18:56<Karl80386>i'm trying to install windows messenger
18:57<Karl80386>can i do it with wine?
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18:57<lesenzro>Karl80386: some lite reading ;)
18:57<themill>Karl80386: I believe so, but there are many linux equivalents for windoze messenger that would fit into your linux desktop much better.
18:58<Karl80386>how to make the file explorer to open folders in the same window?
18:59<Laeborg>how to use p7zip?
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19:10<Pryon>p7zip -h
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19:17<Aleric>Hmmpf, I rebooted... and my sound is gone
19:17<Aleric>I don't have a mixer anymore it seems
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19:21<Aleric>Does anyone have an idea what to check when, after a reboot, alsamixer doesn't show any slides anymore?
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19:28*Aleric pets 'dpkg' (the bot).
19:28<Aleric>I got sound back :)
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19:34<amorphous__>if i want to install grub2 to my etch install, and says it's in etch-backports, does that mean i can just add etch-backports to the end of 'etch main' in sources.list?
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19:36<azeem>amorphous__: no, read the instructions on
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19:37<amorphous__>it says it's a dummy package --that mean there's nothing in it anyways?
19:38<azeem>amorphous__: dummy packages usually have important depends
19:39<amorphous__>so the package is there..?
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19:39<azeem>review the depends and recommends
19:40<dondelelcaro>meta packages
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20:00<gatocaradepez>Hey everyone. Good day. I need a program to make arquitectural designs like floors with walls and things like those. I tried QCAD but it's the very first time I have contact with that program and I need something easier to use. i don't have so many time to learn so I need something quick too.
20:00<gatocaradepez>If anyone know, please help.
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20:07<waawa>gnome doesn't work. nautilus error (something to do with bonobo), bonobo error and gnome settings errog
20:07<waawa>now help me without assuming i know what i'm doing (because i dont)
20:09<azeem>waawa: which version of Debian?
20:09<gatocaradepez>Hey everyone. Good day. I need a program to make arquitectural designs like floors with walls and things like those. I tried QCAD but it's the very first time I have contact with that program and I need something easier to use. i don't have so many time to learn so I need something quick too
20:09<azeem>waawa: did you try creating a new (test) user, and login from there?
20:09<waawa>didnt work
20:10<azeem>put the exact error on a pastebin
20:10<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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20:11<k1lumin4t1>is there any way to take screenshots during the Debian installation process using text mode? Without recurring to a virtuam machine, of course
20:13<waawa>fucvk my KREYBOAREDF IS BEROKERN
20:13<waawa>BERB GODF DFAMNIT!
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20:13<dondelelcaro>if your keyboard is broken, please fix it instead of inflicting the breakage on the rest of us...
20:14<waawa>I'm not inflicting damage you idiot
20:14<waawa>Broken keyboard does not mean I'll end up typing "Oh my keyboard is broken and characteres aer merserfd up"
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20:14<B>wrong irc, methinks
20:14<dondelelcaro>waawa: if you want to attack people, please go elsewhere.
20:15<B>ah, but there's drama here it seems
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20:15<waawa>`fuckwad am i attacking people?
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20:15<Guest2122>he is swearing though
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20:16*Guest2122 wins
20:16<Guest2122>unfortunatly, I've lost my name :(
20:16<dondelelcaro>swearing matters little; personal attacks aren't appropriate, ever.
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20:42<gatocaradepez>Hey everyone. Good day. I need a program to make arquitectural designs like floors with walls and things like those. I tried QCAD but it's the very first time I have contact with that program and I need something easier to use. i don't have so many time to learn so I need something quick too
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21:01<amorphous__>does useradd not make a home dir by default???
21:01<amorphous__>oh dear!!
21:02<ger>Meeting at #debian-ar
21:02<azeem>amorphous__: use adduser instead
21:03<gsimmons>amorphous__: No, but adduser does. useradd can do so via `-m'.
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21:04<snogglethorpe>those command names are confusing... :-/
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21:05<snogglethorpe>I can never remember which is which...
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21:06<azeem>snogglethorpe: adduser is adduser and useradd is useradd :)
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21:07<snogglethorpe>brain ...
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21:10<gass>how can i seem to what groups is my user added to
21:10<azeem>gass: groups
21:11<gravity>gass: Type "groups"
21:11<gravity>gass: Or grep youruser /etc/group
21:11<gass>alioth is recusing me an git push
21:12<gravity>Do you have rights to the project you're pushing to?
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21:12<gass>gravity, yes
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21:12<gass>gravity, /git/pkg-trac/*
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21:12<gass>azeem, git push
21:12<gass>fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
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21:13<gass>azeem, refusing*
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21:31<maspix>My problem is that I have two network interfaces, one of the interfaces faces an external network with a gateway to the internet, and the other to an internal network without an internet gateway. I cannot get the debian etch machine across both these networks to choose the proper route. I can ping the gateway too
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21:36<sebas891>hi folks! i'm looking for the debian ppc channel? is it still #debianppc on ?
21:36<sebas891>forget it. :)
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21:39<maspix>in response to myself: check /etc/resolv.conf you dummy :(
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22:15<Pandemic>quick question...i'm trying to configure my video card, which is an 8400M. is there a driver i can activate by editing my xorg.conf?
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22:18<gravity>Matrox, right? mga
22:18<gravity>Although it should be automatically loaded if you're running testing or unstable
22:19<Pandemic>i'm not sure.
22:20<Pandemic>i believe i installed testing, but dragging windows is pretty sluggish, making it seem like my driver isn't loaded
22:20<Pandemic>isn't there a command to check what driver is loaded?
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22:20<gravity>Pandemic: Read the log in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
22:21<gsimmons>Pandemic: Are you using a laptop? You likely have one of Nvidia's GeForce 8400M series chipsets.
22:21<Pandemic>gsimmons: yes.
22:22<Pandemic>gravity, how do i access that log? sorry i'm kind of a noob about certain things.
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22:22<gravity>Pandemic: Open a text editor and go to that file path
22:22<gravity>Pandemic: Or if you're in a terminal, run "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
22:24<Pandemic>so now what am i looking for, gravity?
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22:24<gravity>Pandemic: Go through it and try to figure out what video driver it loaded
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22:25<Pandemic>oh, ok..
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22:25<Pandemic>looks like it's loading "nv"
22:25<Pandemic>isn't that the newest nvidia driver?
22:26<gsimmons>Pandemic: That's the free driver, which (IIRC) has the odd issue WRT GeForce 8XXX series chipsets.
22:26<Pandemic>hmm, okay.
22:26<Pandemic>then what driver do i need gsimmons?
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22:28<gsimmons>Pandemic: If you're certain that issues are being experienced with the 'nv' driver, the non-free driver from Nvidia ('nvidia') can be used. This currently isn't available in testing, so you'll either need to backport this from unstable or establish a testing/sid mix.
22:28<gsimmons>!tell Pandemic -about nvidia
22:29<gravity>You might be able to get better performance switching from XAA to EXA, or the other way around depending on the driver
22:29<gravity>I don't really know what's going on with nv there
22:29<Pandemic>okay, thanks.
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23:03<RIVE>Hi, Good evening.
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23:15<amorphous__>anyone know where i can change the settings for my default apps (ie: I want music to always open in rhythmbox) -- i'm gnome on etch
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23:19<amorphous__>and settings on events (ie cdrom entered) -- is that in the same place?
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23:22<simonrvn>see the preferences menu
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