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00:16<marupa>Hi, I'm fairly new to linux, but was wondering if there was a way to use two internet connections at once, I have two ISPs, one Fiber, one DSL, but when the Fiber connects the DSL won't connect, any ideas?
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00:19<blarson>marupa: sure, but it can get complicated. The ip command can do lots of tricks.
00:19<marupa>What I want is sort of 'two independent ISPs', one fast, one slow. I do some hosting but I don't want the web hosting to be on the fast one, only the game hosting.
00:22<blarson>marupa: For hosting with static IPs, this should be fairly straitforward. You need to tell it to route the outgoing packets based on the interface the connection came in on though.
00:24<marupa>What's wierd is that say I SSH in on eth0, and then enable eth1. Eth0 suddenly stops responding, and I have to ssh in on eth1.
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00:26<blarson>marupa: you need some non-default routing tricks. rtfm on the ip command.
00:27<marupa>wait, what? Not even sure which command you're referring to.
00:28<blarson>marupa: the name of the command is ip
00:29<blarson>it does a superset of ifconfig and route
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00:31<marupa>I'll do some research. Thanks.
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01:03<kurumix>tiago
01:03<kurumix>kk
01:03<kurumix>ninguem
01:03<kurumix>pos
01:03<kurumix>vou vazar
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01:45<MotoHoss>soo how can one knock grub2 off a harddrive? I searched google.. I can't get the system to boot. and the install cd's I have all fail when attempting lilo or grub nstalls...
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01:47<jm_>what's the error?
01:48<MotoHoss>grub/2 comes up in 'rescue mode'
01:48<MotoHoss>no modules loaded...
01:49<MotoHoss>1. I rebooted with a working system to test an install cd.
01:49<jm_>so grub doesn't fail to install then
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01:50<MotoHoss>I downloaded and used another one. reformatted and repartioned...
01:50<MotoHoss>no grub or grub/2 won't install and the grub/2 that was installed fails...
01:51<MotoHoss>I started with a clean disk... right before #1 and lenny installed ok.
01:51<jm_>check your grub.cfg
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01:53<MotoHoss>as in cat /boot/grub.cfg ?
01:54<tenzind>hi, how big would a debian mirror for "lenny, i386 with main,main/debian-installer,contrib,non-free sections" be?
01:54<MotoHoss>says file not found
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01:55<MotoHoss>ls /boot has the kernel the config and System.map files in it...
01:56<MotoHoss>this is from the grub2 'rescue' prompt...
01:56<jm_>!dstats lenny
01:56<dpkg>Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22365 packages, 1917 maintainers, 56561 MB installed size, 19877 MB compressed size.
01:57<jm_>no, it's /boot/grub/grub.cfg
01:58<MotoHoss>ls /boot/grub file not found.
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01:59<tenzind>jm_: would that 56561 MB be the size of the mirror just for lenny/i386 ?
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02:00<jm_>tenzind: read your screen, 56561 is *installed* size, compressed is for packages and I am not sure that number has non-free et al in it
02:01<MotoHoss>heh apt-get install all ?
02:02<jm_>where are you looking for /boot/grub?
02:02<MotoHoss>(hd0,1)
02:03<jm_>so in grub or what?
02:03<MotoHoss>command prompt has 'grub rescue>'
02:03<MotoHoss>yeah in grub
02:03<jm_>do you have a separate /boot partition?
02:03<MotoHoss>nope.
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02:04<jm_>sounds like your new grub install failed but you have old grub installed from before, reinstall it
02:04<MotoHoss>on vacation this wekk and have this athlon xp box to test on... so that's what I was doing...
02:04<MotoHoss>jm_ , that's what I tried....
02:05<MotoHoss>I installed... and had a basic system grub2 was working.
02:07<jm_>do it again now
02:07<jm_>!fixmbr
02:07<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>.
02:08<jm_>that's how to do it
02:08*MotoHoss doesn't use windows.
02:09<MotoHoss>aha that is something I haven't tried though.
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02:13<phorce1>OK, with the exception that I'm on one of my Debian machines this is off topic but kicking my butt. I have a .CSV file with 4 fields. The LAST field contains entries that need to be minimum 6 characters. Some are not. How can I sort to float the short entries to the top?
02:16<jm_>is it numeric?
02:17<phorce1>jm_: alphanumeric -- it's a password field. Pretty much anything goes.
02:19<amorphous__>cadaver claims to be a command line webdav tool, but i'm having problems finding anythong that can tell me how to use it -- is there a howto that any of yous know about?
02:19<jm_>phorce1: well you'd need to sort it on its length then
02:19<amorphous__>i want to write scripts to webdav stuff, n(?))
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02:21<phorce1>jm_: That's the part that's beating me up. The lines need to stay 'complete' (all 4 fields) and I can't figure out how to count the characters in the last field and sort by how many characters are in ONLY that field.
02:22<amorphous__>and permissions... is there a way to control permissions in webdav? or do all people always have complete r/w access?
02:23<jm_>phorce1: this is pretty dumb idea, but: awk '{print $0 " " length($4)}' file | sort -k 5,5 | awk '{printf("%s %s %s %s\n", $1, $2, $3, $4)}'
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02:24<jm_>you should use sort -n
02:24<sander>Anyone have any recommendations on an appointment/todo list application?
02:26<phorce1>jm_: I are definitely no awk user. ;-) Let me run that against the file and see what breaks. Thanks.
02:27<jm_>what do you mean breaks?
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02:31<gsimmons>amorphous__: man cadaver, see EXAMPLES. With respect to permissions, that's defined at the WebDAV server. See also http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/285 for other cadaver usage examples.
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02:33<Zoup> im getting 'stdin: is not a tty' on ssh login , any idea ?
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02:33<phorce1>jm_: The awk line just added a " 0" at the end of every line (eg. "user","fname","lname","pass" 0)
02:33<jm_>phorce1: then its structure is not like you described it
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02:34<jm_>phorce1: ahh stupid me, you have a CSV file, specify different delimiter
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02:35<phorce1>jm_: oops -- .csv created by openoffice calc -- "user","fname","lname,"pass"
02:35<phorce1>ahhh
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02:35<jm_>phorce1: yeah and I assumed space :), use -F',' for first awk and you'll want to correct the last printout too
02:36<jm_>but why are you not doing this in openoffice then?
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02:37<phorce1>jm_: tried. Can't get it to count the number of characters in a text field
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02:37<phorce1>and sort on that
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02:38<CptObvious>I am using gnome i believe, amd64. Whenever i try run a flash file i get 'The SWF file caused a fatal error in the swfdec decoder. This likely means that there is a bug in swfdec.' Does anyone have any fix for this because i have no idea whatsoever..
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02:39<jm_>CptObvious: try switching to non-free flash plugin
02:39<phorce1>jm_: Now have the character count in a separate column but still "0" for every line. Lemme play with it a minute and see what I forgot. man awk, here I come
02:40<amorphous__>gsimmons, i'm not sure how that allows me to automate any process' with cadaver/webdav. if I'm opening a prompt, am i not stuck at it working it by hand while i'm in ther??
02:40<uhriventis>I've got a problem, I've running Dreamlinux which is a Debian base system so I suppose this channel works. Anyway, the problem is is I can't find what my PCI loction is. Example: 0:2:0 or 2:9:0 how do I go abou this?
02:40<CptObvious>I've heard about non-free sources, but this is fresh install of deb. I have no idea how to access them..
02:40<jm_>phorce1: you also need to change sort to use -k 2,2
02:40<jm_>!non-free
02:40<dpkg>non-free is probably a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
02:40<CptObvious>thankyou
02:41<gsimmons>amorphous__: I don't believe cadaver can be used non-interactively, no.
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02:41<amorphous__>gsimmons, can webdav?
02:41<amorphous__>ie) can you mount a webdav?
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02:42<gsimmons>!wayttd amorphous__
02:42<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, amorphous__?
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02:43<jm_>yes there is davfs2 for example
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02:43<jm_>and it should be rather trivial to write a FUSE fs to do the job (if it doesn't exist already)
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02:43<amorphous__>have a webdav folder that's usable by a few people, but lock things away as they become old
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02:45<CptObvious>I am unable to adjust sources.list manually or by root terminal. When i save it says i do now have enough permissions..
02:45<jm_>do it as root
02:45<CptObvious>i think i am root
02:45<amorphous__>i'm seting up pc's for a friend who has a few cafe's. We want the staff to be able to fill out their cash sheets, and for him to have access to them wherever he is. Also that he can write templates for them to read but not write to. I've gone for webdav.
02:46<jm_>verify with "id"
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02:46<amorphous__>but i want to get write access to those sheets away from the staff the next day so there's no changing them after the fact etc...
02:47<amorphous__>thanks jm_ i'll check it out :)
02:47<CptObvious>'uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)'
02:47<jm_>then verify file permissions, maybe it's read-only and your editor is too dumb to handle it ;)
02:48<CptObvious>!permissions CptObvious
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02:48<jm_>ls -l will show that
02:49<jehova>watn los hia ?
02:49<phorce1>jm_: hmmm, it's adding 2 to the actual character count (eg. a 3 letter passwd has a count of '5' in the final column ----- ahhh, I bet it's counting the surrounding ""
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02:49<jm_>phorce1: yes it's counting all of it
02:49<jehova>hi <3
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02:50<Badboy>hi
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02:50<jehova>hi
02:50<Badboy>hi jehova
02:50<enouf>Is anyone here able to kill a SpamBot on Freenode's #debain ?
02:50<jehova>Hi Badboy
02:51<Badboy>muuuh
02:51<enouf>the ops there seem ..er ... asleep
02:51<jehova>wat geht ?
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02:51<Badboy>oh there are only english people jehova xD
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02:51<Nemoder>enouf: who is spamming?
02:51<Badboy>hi surfer 24
02:51<surfer24>huhu
02:51<jehova>I am soooooo cool lika an polarbear !
02:51<enouf>anyways, the spammer is House_Blend_Pete is n=oet@59.16.20.45 (Oet)
02:51<enouf>Nemoder: ^^^^^
02:51<amorphous__>davfs was the word i was looking for, jm_ --- thankyou... and may your day be more wholesome and delightful than the one before it for ever more... :D
02:52<Nemoder>!ops House_Blend_Pete is a spambot
02:52<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nemoder complains about: House_Blend_Pete is a spambot
02:52<Badboy>schnauze surfer 24
02:52<Badboy>votze
02:52<surfer24>selber schauze du honk
02:52<surfer24>n
02:52<Badboy>halts maul
02:52<jehova>Ich habe nen übelst dicken Pimmel jo !
02:52<surfer24>was willst du wurm
02:52<jm_>Nemoder: he asked about *freenode*
02:52<Badboy>sex aber nicht mit dir du oma
02:52<jm_>!ops we have german trolls
02:52<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jm_ complains about: we have german trolls
02:52<surfer24>tzze
02:52<jehova>Germany rocks <3
02:52<enouf>wow - sorry if i caused confusion
02:53<Badboy>german trolls? xD
02:53<Nemoder>jm_: doh, I keep forgetting where I am, sorry
02:53<jehova>ugah ugah
02:53<Badboy>whatz up you motherfuckers
02:53<jehova>*sack kratz*
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02:53<enouf>Nemoder: i know how to use the !ops trigger ;-)
02:53<jm_>thanks
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02:53<phorce1>jm_: awk -F',' '{print $0 "," length($4)-2}' ./tempfile.csv | awk '{printf("%s %s %s %s\n", $1, $2, $3, $4)}'>test5.csv
02:53<enouf>!hug peterS
02:53*dpkg wraps his shiny metal lovin' arms around peterS
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02:53<phorce1>jm_: added leading zeroes and sorted in oocalc
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02:53<phorce1>jm_: Thank you
02:54<jm_>phorce1: how complicated
02:54<CptObvious>Right, im opening the sources.list file with text editor (due to it being defaut) and altering the main contrib, etc. but when i go into the files properties it says i am not the owner, so i cant do anythign with it..
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02:55<Nemoder>CptObvious: you would need to run the text editor as root or with sudo
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02:56<CptObvious>I AM root, i shall try sudo
02:56<phorce1>jm_: one time deal (hopefully) -- moving a bunch of emails to a google-apps managed email system. spam fighting is beating me up. The long-drawn-out part will be that I did not have full names stored so 99% of the users have a "name" of "Domain User" until they get upset and have me correct it manually.
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02:58<CptObvious>when sudo-ing i get 'Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/apt/sources.list" -- using "application/*"'
02:58<Nemoder>CptObvious: you might try a terminal text editor: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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02:59<CptObvious>i think that is working
03:00<CptObvious>that worked. I forgot the 'nano' bit. Still new to this. Thankyou both of you.
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03:04<enouf>phorce1: i'm glad i didn't try harder :-P .. i never would've came up with something like that O_o
03:04<morgan`>hello
03:05<enouf>phorce1: might as well have asked some chimps to build you a 747 out of spare parts from a junkyard :-P
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03:06<phorce1>I would never have come up with the base awk operations. But after jm_ got me started I could figure out the tweaks to get it working.
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03:07<phorce1>enouf: ^^
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03:08*phorce1 needs to remember to quantify those to whom he speaks (even though channel chatter is down ATM)
03:08<enouf>phorce1: ;-)
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03:10<CptObvious>I presume iceweasel is compatible with firefox plugins? If so swf-player plugin for firefox still isnt allowing me to play flash files. I am on a 64bit system i think, i think i have heard of other people witht he same problem however when i try their fixes apt-cache search cannot find the files needed, or it just doesnt work.
03:10<phorce1>496 users with passwords shorter than 6 characters. I think I'll just pad them with 1's by hand to a 6-count total and use a mass email stating "if your password was less...[idiot]...then you need to add"
03:10<phorce1>(maybe i should leave out the [idiot] bit?
03:10<enouf>no :-P
03:10<CptObvious>I thin you should emphasise it
03:11<CptObvious>SUBI it for impact :P
03:11<phorce1>I think my shortest is 10 and I more commonly use 16+
03:11<enouf>CptObvious: /msg dpkg nspluginwrapper ?
03:11<enouf>CptObvious: file /bin.ls
03:11<enouf>CptObvious: file /bin/ls
03:12<CptObvious>'/bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped'
03:12<enouf>CptObvious: to address your "I am on a 64bit system i think"
03:12<enouf>yep
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03:13<CptObvious>im searching my apt-cache (updated for none-free) and its not turning up any nspluginwrapper sadly
03:13<phorce1>I don't think they've gotten 64-bit flash working yet (or 65-bit much of anything really)
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03:13<phorce1>s/65-bit/64-bit/
03:13<CptObvious>bugger. SO got ot find a 32 emulator?
03:13<enouf>CptObvious: you have main contrib non-free ?
03:13<CptObvious>I do enouf
03:14<enouf>!info nspluginwrapper etch
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03:15<enouf>.3:11:12] [dpkg] Package 'nspluginwrapper' does not exist.
03:15<CptObvious>apparently that package does not exist
03:15<enouf>grah - Backports
03:15<Nemoder>CptObvious: the alternative is to run a 32bit browser
03:15<phorce1>CptObvious: or search arount about running 32bit userland in a 64bit kernel. The *ONLY* benefit to running a 64bit kernel at the moment is direct access to RAM above 8Gig -- you have over 8Gig of RAM?
03:15<enouf>phorce1: 4GB ;-)
03:15<CptObvious>nah, i have 4 gb dead
03:15<phorce1>eno-- you're right. Been a few months since I fiddled with it
03:16*phorce1 typo typoo ty pooo
03:16<enouf>setup a chroot and install and use a 32bit browser, and plugins .. or something
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03:16<CptObvious>i think 64bit is just what it came as when i downloaded the iso. I didnt specifically go for any particular type, just one that would fit the CPU
03:16<enouf>phorce1: if you atleast chuckled at my chimp joke, i might've let it slide :-)
03:17<CptObvious>SO i can just go find a 32 browser out in normalweb, k
03:17<phorce1>CptObvious: To make life easier as a newbie -- go back and reinstall a plain x86 Debian system
03:17<Nemoder>there really aren't that many problems with 64bit system
03:17<trueno>Hi! How can I find out if a jpg file is a multipage one? And how can I convert it to multiple jpg files?
03:17<CptObvious>I dont plan on being a newbie for long, (well, you know) and this will probaby give me more problems to overcome?
03:17<enouf>CptObvious: if you have 4GB or RAM or moer, use a -686-bigmem debian kernel
03:18<enouf>on a 32bit Install (i386)
03:18<phorce1>64bit works wonders for things like database servers with tons of RAM. Kinda sucks as a desktop system
03:18<enouf>not amd64
03:18<Nemoder>CptObvious: you can install ia32-libs and run any 32bit app on a 64bit system
03:18<enouf>right
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03:18<CptObvious>i thought amd 64 NEEDED a 64 bit system? Huh. Ill try the 32bit library
03:19<Nemoder>but even with the 32bit libs you'll need a wrapper for a 64bit browser to load 32bit plugins, or just use a 32bit browser
03:20<CptObvious>yeah, i was thinking that, im just going to try download firefox from the moz website, it worked on my last PC, so i presume its standard at 32bit
03:20<enouf>CptObvious: maybe try #debian-amd64 here and on Freenode - but also see if this still applies .. oops
03:20<enouf>https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html says now -- > Alioth Could Not Connect to Database:
03:21<enouf>google that doc maybe
03:21<phorce1>CptObvious: 64bit cpus are backward compatible. And should usually be used in 32bit mode unless there is a real need to go 64bit. It'll be a year or two more before 64bit userland is a comfortable fit for a desktop machine.
03:22<Nemoder>CptObvious: if you install 3rd party software I recommend doing so in user mode rather than root or you may risk overwriting system files
03:22<Nemoder>I run amd64 with Lenny on my desktop just fine, setting up flash was really the only hurdle
03:23<nevyn>phorce1: if you have 4gb of ram or more there are benefits to 64bit kernels at least
03:24<Nemoder>I also enjoy testing some of the new games that have 64bit releases, although the performance gains are marginal
03:24*phorce1 tends to install everythingg in sight to "play with" and that caused breakage when I tested a 64bit kernel. Dangers of large hard drives and a fast pipe.
03:25<phorce1>nevyn: But only if you actually have a need to access all of the RAM over 4G at once. Otherwise a 32bit kernel can page out pretty much any amount of RAM very efficiently.
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03:26<nevyn>4+4 means that you have a segment change for memmapped io.
03:27*phorce1 is now trying to figure out what is the best supported dvb-s card that won't break his wallet to stick in a machine I built JUST to play with dvb-s. It's running XP most of the time right now
03:27<nevyn>which is another trip around the bus for every address.
03:27<enouf>"It'll be a year or two more before 64bit userland is a comfortable fit for a desktop machine." <== /me has been hearing that since ~ 2000
03:27<enouf>2001 even
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03:28<phorce1>nevyn: But my 2G machine hardly ever touches disk swap and my 4G machine I don't think EVER has. that means I have no need to use that much RAM. What I have is never all used up.
03:28<CptObvious>This may sound silly, but a few months back when i was testing debian, i could change resolution for about 20 different resolutions. Now i can only change to 3, 1024/768 being the biggest (which makes EVERYTHING on the screen massive!) How do i add more resultions please?
03:28<enouf>nevyn: i can see 64kernel + 64userland actually hurting performance
03:28<enouf>gah
03:29<enouf>nevyn: i can see 64kernel + *32*userland actually hurting performance
03:29<Nemoder>CptObvious: what videocard/driver do you use?
03:29<CptObvious>one sec
03:29<phorce1>CptObvious: reconfigure X to use the correct driver for your video card so it can see all of the resolutions.
03:29<jm_>CptObvious: welcome to the wonderful world of auto-configuring X server
03:30<CptObvious>I am welcomed, yet i have no idea what that actually means
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03:30<enouf>haha
03:31<phorce1>jm_: yeah, on my new machine the ENTIRE xorg.conf after fresh install was about 20 lines -- lots of stuff didn't work. Luckily I had an etch machine with a similar card that I could copy lines from.
03:31<enouf>xrandr should show you avail resolutions, IINM
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03:31<CptObvious>sapphire radeon x1550 512 mb pci-e
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03:31<enouf>jm_: i take it you're not a fan :-P
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03:32<enouf>nice .. :-)
03:32<enouf>er 1550? hrm
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03:32<enouf>radeonhd?
03:32<jm_>enouf: well it's not a bad idea in itself, but it will take months if not years to work properly
03:32<enouf>jm_: right - and i can't wait for all the pain in between ;-)
03:32<CptObvious>radeonhd?
03:33<enouf>!radeonhd
03:33<dpkg>methinks radeonhd is the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets (http://wiki.x.org/radeonhd). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' in <unstable>. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <radeon>, <fglrx>.
03:33<CptObvious>annoying thing is, i HAVE a driver disc, but it only supports windows
03:33<enouf>heh ... what else is new
03:34<Nemoder>thankfully linux includes most of the drives you'll ever need
03:34*nevyn doesn't trust vendors to write drivers
03:34<CptObvious>just got to try find them? yes?
03:34<enouf>are you using the ATI 3D driver stuff?
03:35<enouf>whatever applies .. the .run, the fglrx stuff , etc etc
03:35<Nemoder>If you need high performance 3D then you'll need the proprietary driver, otherwise the free driver should suffice
03:35<CptObvious>Sorry, but i really have no idea, it is my first graphics card, ever. and my second time on debian.
03:35<CptObvious>I doutb ill be using it to its potential lol
03:36<enouf>do you recall d/l and installing a driver from Ati (a .run file) while on linux ?
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03:36<CptObvious>unless its done it automatically, no.
03:36*phorce1 notes: -- Ouch, 0235 -- bedtime. More work to do on the new motorcyle when the sun comes back up.
03:36<enouf>ok, stick with Xorg drivers then ;-)
03:37<enouf>phorce1: the sun might as well be out and up - it's hot enough :-P
03:38<CptObvious>would fglrx be an acceptable one to run? I ask because that states 'all models' wheras the xorg one states upto x1050, wheras mine is x1550
03:39<phorce1>enouf: I waited until it dropped a bit to change the oil. Waiting for new turn signal assembly. 1980 Yamaha xj650. OK, enouf OT talk <-- ;-) gonig /away
03:39<nevyn>CptObvious: all models at the time of release.
03:39<CptObvious>aha, fun stuff.
03:40<enouf>finally .. a smile :-)
03:41<Nemoder>CptObvious: if you need the fglrx this looks like a pretty good guide: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide
03:42<enouf>CptObvious: which/what states up to 1050? radeon, ati, or radeonhd? ... oh ffs, you mean fglrx crap
03:42<CptObvious>"radeon" xorg driverFor chipsets prior to R500 (ie. models up to and including the X1050), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration.
03:43<Nemoder>mesa is software acceleration which while functional and probably more stable is very slow
03:45<CptObvious>ive found a guide online how to change my drivers over. Going to try the xorg one and the libgll-mesa-dri. This should be fun
03:46<CptObvious>Hah! the guide looks like greek to me
03:51<CptObvious>how queer, apparently my radeon xorg driver and libgll is already the newest one
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03:53<jm_>that's pretty much expected
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03:54<enouf>wow The requested URL /radeonhd was not found on this server. for http://wiki.x.org/radeonhd
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03:54<enouf>wtf is going on?
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03:55<enouf>http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd
03:55<gsimmons>enouf: Ah, wrong link, it should be http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd. I'll amend the factoid.
03:55<enouf>\o/
03:55<enouf>gsimmons: you change it now? or shall i ?
03:56<gsimmons>enouf: It's done.
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03:56<enouf>CptObvious: he radeonhd driver supports video cards based on the following ATI chips: * RV505: Radeon X1550, X1550 64bit
03:56<enouf>gsimmons: thanks
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03:57<CptObvious>Thakyou enouf, ill try that
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03:58<CptObvious>Hmm, reckon its safe for me to run it? Due to it being in the unstable area
03:59<enouf>well, now you'll learn to Backport :-)
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03:59<CptObvious>backport .. let me guess
03:59<enouf>i would hope and think it's as easy as a SSB ..
03:59<enouf>!ssb'
03:59<enouf>!ssb
03:59<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
03:59<CptObvious>Tells me to download an older STABLE version of what im lookign for?
04:01<enouf>!ssb
04:01<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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04:02<enouf>how's tjhat small mod folks, ok ?
04:02<enouf>basically the --> "deb-src ..." line ONLY
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04:03<CptObvious>looks nicer now, still dont understand it .. 'sid'?
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04:05<CptObvious>right, via dpg i know what sid is anyway
04:06<pbn>Hello, I am getting BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 on a local mirror (apt-cacher). How can I fix this ?
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04:08<bremner>logrotate is not working out for me (see bug 484762). any suggestions for alternatives?
04:09<enouf>!tell CptObvious -about grounding
04:10<CptObvious>and o think, all i wanted to do was play a flash file
04:10<enouf>yep - flashcrap poopshit
04:11<enouf>"the wheaties of weenies" [tm] :-P
04:14<enouf>but beyond that - learning your distro of choice might be a wise decision ;-), not to mention getting the radeonhd driver working with your card will help all around for you
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04:25<tenzind>hi.. I get this "@ERROR: chdir failed" when i do a rsycn from my pc to myserver on which i started rsync .. what could the problem be?
04:27<ared__>u.u
04:27<ared__>Marry, spammed me :|
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04:39<aspire1>hi any one that can tell me about argoUML
04:40<aspire1>wanted to know at which server or chan some one could tell me about it
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04:43<gsimmons>aspire1: #argouml @ irc.freenode.net
04:44<alephnull_>If I want to share a printer attached to my Debian box to Windows clients, is Samba my only option, or can I do it with cups ?
04:44<jm_>CUPS will work fine
04:44<cahoot>you can access cups directly from windows
04:46<cahoot>alephnull_: create a raw queue on the cups server and direct the win clients to that
04:48<CptObvious>trying to compile a program following instructions, when in the folder in terminal it says type './configure' This just gets me ' no such file or directory' except.. its RIGHT THERE.
04:48<alephnull_>cahoot: Something like http://hostname/printers/<printer-name> ?
04:49<pumpkin0>CptObvious: does the configure-process have the rights to read that dir ?
04:49<cahoot>alephnull_: you probably want :631 after hostname
04:50*alephnull_ tries
04:50<CptObvious>pumpkin0, I reckon so, when i chec properties, everything can read, only root can write to it. (me)
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04:50<pumpkin0>CptObvious: make a copy and make it r/w.
04:51<CptObvious>why didnt i think of that? Thanks
04:52<jm_>CptObvious: I think the reason for your error is because you said you are in a folder, but linux doesn't know about folders!
04:52<jm_>so it gives you no such file or directory
04:52<jm_>it may work if you change into a directory :P
04:52<CptObvious>nah, i meant i had cd'ed to the correct directory
04:52<CptObvious>stil in windows mode
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05:08<alephnull>cahoot: It seems to be working without the :631 (from the windows client), however, it's asking me for a user/password and my username doesn't seem to work.
05:08<grummund>hi, i'm looking for a serial console package that will also handle binary data, any suggestions please?
05:08<CptObvious>HOORAY! finally added backports to the list! Now to find that damned xorg-server
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05:19<cahoot_>alephnull: configured cupsd to accept connections without fuzz?
05:20<jm_>grummund: minicom
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05:23<alephnull>cahoot_: Well, I do want some security as the printer is available via a wi-fi network.
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05:24<grummund>jm_: thanks, i wasn't aware that minicom could craft binary packets
05:24<jm_>grummund: it has support for zmodem
05:24<cahoot_>alephnull: ok I just set Allow 192.168.1.0/24
05:25<grummund>jm_: ah ok. i need to craft arbitary packets
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05:29<jm_>grummund: like what?
05:30<grummund>jm_: i have an electronics module that accepts AT style commands, but the payload sometimes includes binary data. just a few bytes per message
05:30<grummund>i need to pprogram the module up with a few messages before soldering it to a pcb
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05:34<CptObvious>When compiling firefox from source it tells me that 'Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'gtk+-2.0' found' but gtk is in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gtk+-2.0.pc Which is where stuff looks for it by default, is it not?
05:35<cahoot_>CptObvious: why are you even contemplating to compile that?
05:35<CptObvious>firefox? its a 32 bit one, which i need for flash files to play as i am on a 64 system
05:37<cahoot_>I see
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05:40<themill>CptObvious: I would be trying to use the debian packages as a starting point for that -- apt-get build-dep etc. But you'll need 32bit versions of all libraries too in which case you're heading towards a lot of work. How about just installing the debian package into a 32bit chroot and bind-mount $HOME into it?
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05:42<CptObvious>honestly? No idea how. besides, i do want a 64bit system, i just want a 32bit browser to run flash files in
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05:44<Nemoder>CptObvious: generally if you are trying to compile something and it's missing a file then you need the -dev package that corresponds with it
05:44<Nemoder>CptObvious: or you can use apt-file search <filename> to find what package you need
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05:44<CptObvious>it appears to be intact, it just needs gtk+-2.0, which i have and is installed, it just cant find it, even though its in debians default directory for it
05:44<themill>That won't give you the 32bit libraries on the 64bit system though.
05:45<Nemoder>ah yes, you'ld need the 32bit dev packages
05:45<Nemoder>CptObvious: you might be better off using a mozilla's binary installer
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05:46<themill>CptObvious: but as Nemoder said, the error complained about "gtk+-2.0.pc" which is in the libgtk2.0-dev package. (apt-file search gtk+-2.0.pc)
05:46<jm_>CptObvious: there is flash for 64bit
05:46<Nemoder>gnash has a lot of issues yet
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05:46<themill>jm_: just not adobe flash :)
05:47<CptObvious>libgtk2.0-dev: /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gtk+-2.0.pc I have it, it just wont find it when compiling firefox
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05:47<tenzind>hi.. am trying to set up a local debian mirror for lenny using debmirror, but am getting this "Release Signature does not verify error" .. Do i need to add some keys?
05:47<jm_>themill: yes adobe
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05:48<themill>jm_: oh? recent developments that I've missed? (I don't have any 64bit machines so I don't keep pace) Do tell... it's a frequently-enough-asked question that it's worth me knowing :(
05:49<jm_>themill: http://packages.debian.org/sid/flashplugin-nonfree
05:49<Nemoder>adobe built a 64bit version??
05:50<Nemoder>jm_: that package depends on nspluginwrapper and 32bit libs..
05:50<CptObvious>jm_ the flashplugin-nonfree worked perfectly
05:51<themill>ah... nspluginwriapper... that explains it
05:51<TiEuAM>hello, someone know if the server continue his traitments if the ram and swap are full used ??
05:51<jm_>Nemoder: ahh bummer
05:51<cahoot_>The Adobe Flash Player team is working on support for 64-bit platforms as part of our ongoing commitment to the cross-platform compatibility of Adobe Flash Player. We have not yet announced timing or release dates.
05:52<Nemoder>cahoot_: nice!
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05:52<Nemoder>that's better than their previous "we have no plans to"
05:52<cahoot_>This page was last modified 06:45, 4 Dec 2007.
05:52<jm_>so adobe still hasn't manage to release 64bit version after what, one year?
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05:56<Daviey>jm_ cahoot_: might aswell just wait for swfdec and gnash now :)
05:57<Nemoder>heh yeah
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06:04<umarzuki>evening
06:04<umarzuki>got problem with nagios
06:04<umarzuki>need some help
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06:06<themill>dpkg: ask
06:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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06:10<umarzuki>ok..
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06:11<umarzuki>using etch, trying to setup nagios with oreon which faledbadly eventhough followed the manual at http://wiki.linuxfellaz.net/doku.php?id=debian_centreon
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06:15<SAN>Hi friends, now i am using Debian and i installed the ccs , cman ,fence for cluster from redhat-cluster , i am not able to installable.
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06:16<umarzuki>hi SAN
06:16<SAN><umarzuki> : hi
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06:21<SAN>i installed cluster in my Debian machine , but i am not able to installable
06:21<SAN>the packages are ccs , cman , fence
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06:27<Bon>Hi, I am installing xorg-server1.4 and it states 'Package requirements (pixman-1 >= 0.9.5) were not met:' From what i can ascertain from searches i need libpixman1-dev. Except when i apt-get install it. It makes no difference to xorg-server configure. SO basically, how can i point xorg-server to libpixman1 because it is just not seeing it.
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06:30<jm_>where from Bon?
06:31<Bon>/usr/share/doc/libpixman1-dev , if that is the one you mean?
06:31<jm_>no, where did you get xserver-xorg 1.4 from? it's not in Debian
06:32<Bon>x.org
06:32<jm_>so you are building it from source?
06:33<Bon>apparently, it and two others are requirements for my graphics card. Yes i am.
06:33<jm_>you need pixman dev package
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06:33<Bon>Is that the wrong one listed then?
06:34<jm_>and if your system gets screwed as a result, don't bother reporting it in BTS, and if you ask about it here, make sure to mention this
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06:34<jm_>how does xorg check for pixman-1?
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06:35<Bon>[ checking for PIXMAN... configure: error: Package requirements (pixman-1 >= 0.9.5) were not met: ] When compiling xorg-server
06:36<gsimmons>Bon: Out of interest, which video card are you preparing this for?
06:36<jm_>doesn't it use pkg-config?
06:36<Bon>radeon x1550
06:37<Bon>Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you installed software in a non-standard prefix.
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06:39<jm_>right run pkg-config and see if it lists pixman
06:40<jm_>with --list-all option
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06:45<Bon> pkg-config --list-all Wrong command?
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06:47<Bon>I've got to go, ill have to try finish this up later
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06:50<jm_>no it's not wrong command
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07:34<KaiSVK>I have Nvidia7300Go in my laptop, the newest nvidia driver, but I think my card has low performance, does anyone has a same card ? using other drivers ?
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07:42<pumpkin0>KaiSVK: that is a low-end card. What did you expect ?
07:42<KaiSVK>pumpkin0, well I know that, thanx, but it seems to me like the newer the driver the lower the performance is :?
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07:43<jm_>KaiSVK: low performance doing what?
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07:44<KaiSVK>jm_, I don't know, the win games of course are looking uglier, and FPS in those games are getting worse whit each release of nvidia drivers
07:44<KaiSVK>:)
07:45<KaiSVK>my dream is to but a 780G AMN board :)
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07:47<jm_>KaiSVK: played via wine or what?
07:47<KaiSVK>jm_, yes
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07:48<jm_>KaiSVK: well it's probably not very fast in Windows either
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07:48<KaiSVK>I tried it is much faster
07:48<KaiSVK>:/
07:48<KaiSVK>nevermind, it can be possibly by new RC versions of wine 1.0
07:49<jm_>the only thing I ever tried in wine was IE, can't say
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08:04<hever_>Hi I'm going to protect a folder that a user can do all in it but no remove the folder. The sticky bit should help but its still possible to remove the folder... As /tmp has o+rwxt it's possible to remove it too for everybody ?!
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08:08<themill>hever_: You need to set the correct permissions on the parent directory as that it those permissions that control rmdir.
08:11<hever_>hmm. That means / should have also set the sticky bit? Or whats preventing /tmp from being removed ?
08:12<jm_>/tmp has +t set
08:12<themill>hever_: / is 755 which means that a non-root user doesn't have the permissions to add or remove entries from /. That means mkdir and rmdir within / don't work.
08:12<themill>hever_: (unless you are root)
08:14<OdyX>Hi. Does anyone know how to emulate an amd64 host with kvm ?
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08:28<hever_>themill, thanks I understand. But the parent directory is owned by the user.. I'm going to prevent in this folder owned by the user one folder from being deleted by the user.
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08:33<VTommy>hello guys got a small question about using putty for ssh to my server and translation settings anyone can help me out ?
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08:36<weasel>!ask
08:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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08:38<VTommy>ok, my problem is that everytime i use aptitude, the caracter display in putty is not right in menus but everything in regular boxs are so if i use links or fte it's working fine
08:39<VTommy>only aptitude that is not working properly in menus
08:39<jm_>try export TERM=linux
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08:40<jm_>also try with LANG=C
08:40<hever_>themill, I mean the user should be able to do all but not to remove a special folder. Can Linux handle this ?
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08:41<VTommy>jm_ event worst now everything is bad
08:42<VTommy>showing A and Q everywhere
08:42<jm_>VTommy: with both?
08:42<VTommy>no just aptitude
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08:44<jm_>no, I mean did you try both TERM and LANG suggestions?
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08:45<themill>dpkg: tell VTommy about putty linedraw
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08:46<VTommy>working jm_ thanks now is there a way to have that setup in there to do it at startup?
08:46<jm_>VTommy: better read what dpkg told you
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08:52<Lameruga777>hi all
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08:53<Lameruga777>i'm have a problem. i'm downloaded debian 4.0r0, and started installer. it can't find my sata DVDRW :(
08:53<Gekz>release 0?
08:53<Gekz>hardcore
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08:53<Lameruga777>yes, release 0
08:54<Gekz>lol.
08:54<Lameruga777>what is funning here?
08:54<Gekz>lol!
08:54*Gekz parts.
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08:55<Lameruga777>where is a lol here?
08:55<jm_>Lameruga777: try installer with more recent kernel
08:55<jm_>!etch sata
08:55<dpkg>If you have a SATA Atapi CD-ROM drive, you may run into some problems while installing Debian etch. Check for details http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataAtapiHowto
08:55<Lameruga777>i'm don't have much traffic to download it. i live in province
08:55<jm_>also that
08:56<Lameruga777>thanks
08:56<jm_>ohh wrong URL
08:56<themill>jm_: 404 on that page...
08:56<Lameruga777>it reports page not exist. in russian. because i'm russian =)
08:57<jm_>I'd try with kmuto 2.6.25 (or 24) CD
08:58<themill>!kmuto
08:58<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>.
08:58<hever_>themill, it seems for me a (ugly) solution to put each user into its own group then it works with a sticky bit. Or can I just have a sticky bit based on the group not on the user ?
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08:58<Lameruga777>is there driver which i can put to floppy?
08:59<jm_>kernel already has a driver
08:59<Lameruga777>i'm tryed all cdrom drivers, that installer allowed
09:00<Lameruga777>chipset nForce 630a/7050PV/nVidia MCP68
09:00<jm_>don't bother with those - those are for proprietary cd-rom drives
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09:09<Lameruga777>- say NO to floppy
09:09<Lameruga777>- say yes to select from list of drivers
09:09<Lameruga777>- select NONE from the list
09:09<Lameruga777>- set mount for cd-rom as /dev/cdroms/cdrom0
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09:10<enouf>I am identified to services and want to change my passwd - how come when i do "/ns set password foobarbaz" it only returns-> NickServ- SET PASSWORD to hidden. <-do i need to do a sendpass request change?
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09:11<jm_>maybe it just doesn't want to repeat the password to you?
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09:12<enouf>jm_: hm .. how to unidentify and test? ;-) without rejoining all channels?
09:12<jm_>enouf: connect a new testing client?
09:12<enouf>point - thanks ;-0
09:12<jm_>scrollz -q irc.oftc.net
09:13<jm_>irssi has -i
09:13<jm_>or just supply dummy --home
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09:16<enouf_>ok let's see now
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09:21<enouf>jm_: i think correct is to "/ns identify foobarbaz enouf" when changing an already logged in and identified nick .. not "/ns set password foobarbaz"
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09:24<maxb>enouf: "/nickserv help" doesn't seem to support that
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09:32<Lameruga777>so
09:32<Lameruga777>what I need to do? download lenny?
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09:33<noflash>!tell Lameruga777 -abour install lenny
09:33<noflash>!tell Lameruga777 -about install lenny
09:34<Lameruga777>I'm don't have enough traffic. now my speed is 3,5kbyte/s
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09:37<xid>Lameruga777,so ask ubuntu to send you his cdrom
09:37<Lameruga777>ubuntu? I don't like this distribution!
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09:40<xid>http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/
09:41<Lameruga777>ok, is there image work with etch (4.0r0) DVD?
09:41<xid>maybe no
09:42<enouf_>maxb: dunno, but this is what i got when i asked for help a certain way
09:42<enouf_>09:15:03] -NickServ- *** IDENTIFY Help ***
09:42<enouf_>[09:15:03] -NickServ- Usage: IDENTIFY password [nick]
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09:44<Lameruga777>there is cd-drivers.img floppy image, as I think it have a CDROM-drivers. maybe? I can't open it in windows because it in EXT2FS
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09:44<enouf_>maxb: try /msg nickserv help identify ..i'm just using /ns as a shortcut
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09:45<enouf_>now for the life of me, i can't seem to find that silly LINK one ..
09:46<enouf_>doh- /ns help link
09:47<enouf_>gah! -NickServ- You do not have access to the ENSLAVE command. Identifying to your nickname <-- foooker
09:47<enouf_>wait..
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09:47<enouf_>(omg, i just did a stoned/nyle)
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09:48<f3b>hi
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09:49<enouf>oh fuck this man
09:49<tompickles>hello
09:49<tompickles>considering installing debian - but only ubuntu 8.04 has managed to get my wireless working out of box... will debian etch work?
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09:51<Nemoder>tompickles: that would depend on how well supported your hardware is, if the only way to make it work is through proprietary drivers/firmware then it make take some extra steps.
09:51<tompickles>its a belkin wireless usb dongle
09:53<Nemoder>I'm not up to date on wireless devices myself, you might try googling the model number.
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09:54<tompickles>belkin wireless f5d7050
09:54<tompickles>need to know if it will work as will use netinstall cd
09:55<enouf>tompickles: hrm, might want EtchNHalf
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09:55<enouf>tompickles: and /msg dpkg kmuto
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09:56<tompickles>ok
09:56<enouf>wireless only net conn installations are being worked on (AFAIK) - ain't easy
09:56<enouf>a netinstall can be used for bare minumum base install with no net - but you likely would want atleast CD 1 or even DVD 1
09:57<tompickles>only cd drive
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09:58<tompickles>i only want a system with xfce, ice weasel, irssi
09:58<tompickles>bout it
09:58<tompickles>flash and java
09:58<tompickles>maybe abiword
09:58<enouf>there's an xfce CD iirc
09:59<enouf>and etch one
09:59<tompickles>enouf: huh?
09:59<enouf>er an Etch one .. but that's not kmuto, not sure about etchnhalf
09:59<Nemoder>you can always install from CD1 and then change your sources.list to use online repos once you get the network working
10:00<tompickles>i was going to install etch
10:00<tompickles>the stable one
10:00<enouf>There are a few specific Etch CDs, CD 1 is if you want Gnome, KDE can be installed instead, but requires more than CD 1, and there are separate KDE, and XFCE CDs, if you want one of those DEs instead of the default Gnome
10:00<tompickles>Nemoder: not sure how to do that - i came form ubuntu where it is all done for me
10:00<tompickles>enouf: where?
10:01<enouf>do /msg dpkg di , do /msg dpkg ig, do /msg dpkg etchnhalf
10:01<tompickles>what is this /msg dpkg - new to irc also :D
10:01<enouf>tompickles: you never used uboto?
10:01<tompickles>no
10:02<enouf>tompickles: do that in your IRC client
10:02<tompickles>yehuh
10:02<tompickles>i guessed that!
10:02<tompickles>what is it though
10:02<enouf>!tell tompickles -about msg the bot
10:02<enouf>dpkg: what are you
10:02<dpkg>I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot>
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10:03<tompickles>what is di, ig and etchnhalf
10:03<enouf>those are specific factoids
10:03<enouf>shorthand for them - do it and it'll explain
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10:04<tompickles>ok
10:04<tompickles>typed di
10:04<tompickles>one
10:05<tompickles>now what
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10:09<tompickles>thank you all - have to go now
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10:10<enouf>troll
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10:23<SUPERSLADAK>how i can stop install ttf-opensymbol on apt-get upgrade ?
10:24<SUPERSLADAK>because i have a many problems with this
10:24<astro>apt-get upgrade should never install new packages
10:24<astro>distupgrade will though
10:24<SUPERSLADAK>the problem is with openoffice and fontconfig cache
10:25<astro>or do you mean keep it at old version?
10:25<SUPERSLADAK>no
10:25<SUPERSLADAK>r3
10:25<SUPERSLADAK>its a new instalation
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10:25<astro>ok..apt-get upgrade won't install it new
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10:26<astro>apt-get dist-upgrade will
10:26<SUPERSLADAK>and what i can do ?
10:27<astro>what is your goal?
10:27<SUPERSLADAK>goal ?
10:28<astro>restate your question
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10:31<SUPERSLADAK>before apt-get upgrade its allright
10:31<SUPERSLADAK>but after have a problem and i dont know
10:31<SUPERSLADAK>how fix it
10:32<Aleric>!paste
10:32<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
10:32<alephnull>Is there way to clone systems using aptitude ? Like dpkg --{get,set}-selections, except that it preserves aptitude's A flag ?
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10:32<SUPERSLADAK>ok thanks i try
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10:33<Aleric>astro: Can you explain to me why he said "ok thanks i try"?
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10:33<Aleric>I'll never understand how people like that managed to find the turn-on switch of their PC...
10:34<astro>no idea
10:34<dutchy>rofl
10:34<astro>think he confused us, not sure
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10:36<Nemoder>hm it looks like maybe what he wanted was to hold that package back from being updated
10:36<astro>thats what i thought
10:36<astro>then i asked about keep it at old version
10:36<astro>and he said no
10:37*astro is on a cellphone, please forgive typos
10:37<Nemoder>I think he was lacking in the English skills dept.
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10:38*Aleric wonders if there are countries where people refuse to use computers, because computers were invented by the Evil America and you need to know English to use it.
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10:40<Nemoder>I know people in the US that think that way..
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10:40<astro>that we're evil?
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10:41<Nemoder>all of the above :P
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10:43<ChillyWater>hi
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10:44<SUPERSLADAK>Is it obligatory to write the command apt-get upgrade ?
10:44<ChillyWater>can anyone see this?
10:44<Nemoder>SUPERSLADAK: you might find aptitude easier to use
10:44<astro>chillywater: no
10:44<ChillyWater>thanks astro
10:44<ChillyWater>i have got a ssh question
10:44<ChillyWater>anyone up for it
10:45<Aleric>no
10:45<Nemoder>!anyone
10:45<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
10:45<astro>!ask
10:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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10:46<Nemoder>SUPERSLADAK: chat in main so others can help as well
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10:47<SUPERSLADAK>ok
10:47<SUPERSLADAK>will be there any problem if I don`t do it ?
10:48<SUPERSLADAK>apt-get upgrade ?
10:48<astro>!upgrade
10:48<dpkg>i heard upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security', or if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first
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10:48<SUPERSLADAK>version is stable
10:48<SUPERSLADAK>debian 4.0 r3
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10:49<SUPERSLADAK>updates is from security.debian.org
10:49<astro>it gives you security updates
10:49<Nemoder>SUPERSLADAK: if you want to hold back a package then run aptitude and search for the package then use the menu to tell that package to hold
10:49<SUPERSLADAK>but no only security updates
10:49<astro>its a good idea to install them
10:49<astro>they shouldn't break anything
10:49<SUPERSLADAK>yes god idea
10:50<maxb>dpkg --set-selections <<<"packagename hold" is a quicker way if you're not a regular aptitude user
10:50<dpkg>maxb: what are you talking about?
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10:51<SUPERSLADAK>thanks
10:51<SUPERSLADAK>have a nice day
10:51<Aleric>SUPERSLADAK: If you run 'apt-get update' you sync your local packages database with the current real ones. If you omit that, then apt-get upgrade will do nothing because that just tried to get the 'latest' versions, which are still the same (locally in your database), and eventually it leads to a problem if you try to install a new package and your box tries to get a version that isn't even there anymore.
10:51<SUPERSLADAK>yhanks
10:52<SUPERSLADAK>thanks*
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10:53<Aleric>hmmpf, I have two svn repositories and I need to mix them somehow... not easy.
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10:54<astro>aleric mix?
10:54<Aleric>Well... one contains header files and source code that the other needs. I suppose I should turn it into a library :/
10:55<astro>why 2 repos?
10:55<egdo>l
10:56<egdo>l/server irc.freenode.net
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10:56<astro>egdo: try again
10:56<Aleric>astro: One is C code (GTK++), people who want to use it for a C program will have nothing to do with the rest.
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10:56<egdo>server irc.freenode.net
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10:58<Aleric>GTK+ I meant.
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10:59<astro>ow
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11:03<ChillyWater>hey is anyone in hear good with the ssh protocal?
11:03<ChillyWater>quick question
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11:04<E0x>!ask
11:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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11:05<ChillyWater>ok heres my question if i run ssh -D 7070 user@domain , and i setup firefox to use a socks proxy to the domain i just ssh into, i can surf with ip of the domain i logged into, but is my surfing encrypted up to the point of the domain i logged into?, im trying to bypass fileter at work
11:06<ChillyWater>gmail.com
11:06<E0x>everthing that pass trough the tunnel get encrypted
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11:07<ChillyWater>E0x, so if the system admin is running ethereal or some sort of sniffer will he see my traffic?
11:07<E0x>encrypted
11:07<ChillyWater>i assume he wont be able to
11:08<E0x>you can test it your self do it and open ethereal and saw
11:08<E0x>the traffic of you machine
11:08<ChillyWater>E0x , ok at work they have filtered sites like myspace.com, when Im logged in with ssh -D , like above, i still cant access the restricted site any idea?
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11:09<E0x>i do the same here and work , i can't think in that are wrong in you case
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11:09<E0x>you need set in firefox in sock localhost how host and the port that you pass with -D option
11:10<ChillyWater>E0x, so how come if I can surf the net from the hostname i have logged into using the ssh -D , how come the filters at work are still working, I cant access restricted sites, yet i am surfing from a remote location
11:10<ChillyWater>E0x, i did
11:11<ChillyWater>should i change the dns server?
11:11<E0x>ChillyWater: check the tunnel is working access to whatismyip.com
11:11<E0x>or something like that
11:11<E0x>ChillyWater: maybe
11:11<E0x>try opendns
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11:14<ChillyWater>E0x, i checked it out and it is working
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11:14<E0x>maybe then is some kind of filter using the dns server
11:15<E0x>try set other dns servers
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11:19<ChillyWater>E0x, it was a DNS issue
11:19<ChillyWater>i had to change the DNS server
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11:20<E0x>ChillyWater: cool
11:20<ChillyWater>i know so seet, thank you very much for your help , PEACE
11:21<ChillyWater>E0x , so your using the tunnel to bypass filters at your work as well
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11:21<E0x>yes
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11:22<ChillyWater>E0x, Cool
11:22<ChillyWater>r u running a MS box with cygin, or debian
11:22<ChillyWater>cygwin
11:23<weasel>ChillyWater: it's are. and you. not r and u.
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11:23<E0x>cygwin
11:23<weasel>get a real keyboard if you are on a cellphone.
11:23<ChillyWater>weasel, what r u a english teacher
11:23-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
11:23-!-mode/#debian [+q ChillyWater!*@*] by weasel
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11:23<@weasel>nice talking to you.
11:24<E0x>heh
11:24-!-mode/#debian [-q ChillyWater!*@*] by weasel
11:24<ChillyWater>hi
11:24<ChillyWater>im sorry
11:25<ChillyWater>weasel, it wont happen again
11:25<@weasel>thank you.
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11:25<E0x>am I hungry <-- this is right weasel ? :P
11:26<hellraiser>hello everybody! somebody ever set up ircd-hybrid with client ssl support? - i've big problems with it :/
11:26<E0x>nevermind in my life
11:26<ChillyWater>E0x, where r u located, i take it your not from TEXAS like me
11:26<ChillyWater>im eam are you
11:27<ChillyWater>weasel sorry
11:27<ChillyWater>bad habbit
11:27<ChillyWater>i mean where are you located?
11:27<E0x>sadly i not a redneck :P
11:27<ChillyWater>m eneither
11:27<ChillyWater>me neither
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11:27<E0x>heh i was joking
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11:27<E0x>i am from Dominican Republic ( caribbean )
11:27<d7rt>that's really a rule?
11:27<ChillyWater>I call myself the IT Cowboy
11:28<E0x>Yiiiijaaa !
11:28<E0x>d7rt: which one ?
11:28<d7rt>that speaking with single letters isn't allowed? i'd actually prefer if people get to talk anyway they like
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11:29<ChillyWater>d7rt, i wouldnt try it
11:29<E0x>well , i can only say that this is not a SMS
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11:29<d7rt>because then I know who deserves respect :-]
11:29<E0x>so you can write in the right way
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11:30<E0x>if you are typing from some cell phone i can understand the method but from a proper big qwerty keyboard i don't see the point
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11:31<ChillyWater>frog4545T
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11:32<ChillyWater>will u there?
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11:38<kop>I try "aptitude unhold linux-image-2.6.18-6-686" and it tells me the package has been kept back and does not unhold it, but I can't dist-upgrade it without unholding. What gives?
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11:44<dutchy>kop: perhaps because 2.6.18 is not the kernel in the version you're dist-upgrading to.
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11:57<kop>dutchy : So how am I supposed to unhold it?
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11:57<kop>dutchy: And, if I do a plain dist-upgrade, the package is still held back.
11:58<dutchy>it's just the kernel, it shouldn't matter.
11:58<dutchy>you'll likely get a new kernel during the dist-upgrade anyway.
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11:59<dutchy>this info might help:
11:59<dutchy> set package on hold with 'echo package hold|dpkg --set-selections' :: revert it with 'echo package install|dpkg --set-selections' :: list packages on hold with 'dpkg --get-selections | grep hold'
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11:59<dutchy>that will bypass what aptitude wants to do or not do.
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12:00<kop>dutchy: Thanks. I'll give it a go.
12:00<carlos>i've seen an OPL2 package. Is there any OPL3 package available?
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12:04<kop>dutchy : Humm... dpkg --get-selections | grep hold ; does not return anything. Apparently --get-selections does not show flags.
12:04<dutchy>kop: then nothing is on hold.
12:06<kop>dutchy: but "aptitude search <package>" says it is. (And it won't upgrade)
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12:06<dutchy>if you are trying to upgrade from etch to lenny, which I think is what you're trying to do, then modify your /etc/apt/sources.list then do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
12:06<dutchy>then pray it works.
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12:07<kop>dutchy: No. I'm trying to upgrade etch to etch. I put a hold on a kernel so it wouldn't automatically upgrade via cron, and now I can't unhold it.
12:07<fxiny>try unholding it : aptitude unhold <packagename>
12:07<dutchy>then you shouldn't be using dist-upgrade in the first place.
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12:08<kop>fxiny : That's what I started with. It tells me the package is being held back and does not unhold it.
12:08<sander>How can I find out the mainboard type.. so I can check how much ram there is possible to put into my box?
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12:08<kop>dutchy :Which is why I tried messing with dist-upgrade.
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12:09<kop>sander : In my experience I look at the board. If you don't see a make and model put the fcc id in at the fcc.gov (?) website and find it there.
12:10<sander>how do I find the fcc id?
12:10<dutchy>kop: I'm afraid I am at a loss here, sorry. It should upgrade.
12:10<sander>kop,
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12:11<kop>dutchy: I'm going to try messing with --get-selections/--set-selections with dpkg like you suggested and see if that does not clear things out.
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12:11<sander>kop, lspci -v displays "ASUSTeK Computer Inc."
12:11<sander>kop, and the processor is "AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+"
12:12<kop>dutchy : Could it be that when I held it I gave it some specific stuff like the dpkg version number and that's the problem??
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12:13<kop>sander : asustek is a motherboard manufacturer, but I don't know what else they build. You may (possibly) have detected another part. Anyhow, you still need the model number.
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12:15<sander>kop, ok. but where do I find the fcc id to put into fcc.gov?
12:16<fxiny>kop: on my on hold packages aptitude -s install swatch says > The following packages will be upgraded: swatch , dist-upgrade : 0 packages upgraded , --get-selections | grep hold shows swatch as on hold , i used dselect "=" and aptitude hold/unhold
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12:17<fxiny>quick and dirty , iirc aptitude cares a split zero if dselect puts the package on hold
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12:21<kop>sander : It's printed on the circuit board, somewhere, by law.
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12:22<fxiny>kop: but apti is crazy : for example it tells me libwine (on hold) is broken and down with errors and suggestions , apt-get will upgrade libwine without problems
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12:22<sander>kop, ok.. I did: lspci -v | grep Subsystem: | grep Mainboard and fount "Asus A7N8X"
12:22<gizokaka>hi to all
12:22<sander>found*
12:22<kop>sander : Thanks. Good to know.
12:23<gizokaka>my problem is, i bought me a new mean machine but after finished installing my debian machine
12:23<gizokaka>i got an error of a no screens found
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12:23<gizokaka>I tend to beleive it's because of my geforce gt8800
12:23<kop>fxiny : Maybe I'll try upgrading with apt-get instead of aptitude
12:24<gizokaka>I guess no driver in the system to support it
12:24<gizokaka>how do i fix that to work?
12:24<fxiny>kop: last week i let apti upgrading to lenny gnome : it failed . better with kde but not very good . i'd use apt-get
12:24<gizokaka>fxiny: Hi
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12:24<fxiny>gizokaka: hi
12:24<gizokaka>fxiny: how are you?
12:24<themill>fxiny: if you have things on hold, then you are going to make life difficult for any tool to come up with an upgrade plan.
12:25<fxiny>gizokaka: fine
12:25<gizokaka>so can anyone help me please
12:25<gizokaka>?
12:25<kop>themill: *sigh* This is where I started. Aptitude won't unhold it. It says the package is being held back.
12:26<themill>hmm
12:26<themill>kop: held back is different to on hold.
12:26<kop>apt-get does seem to be working.
12:26<themill>gizokaka: you need to tell us more still. Like what chipset you have.
12:26<kop>themill : Yes. So I tried dist-upgrade and aptitude said the same thinkg.
12:26<fxiny>themill: that's right , we are talkign about packages on hol . on etch i use aptitude , i always double check .i'm not complaining
12:27<themill>fxiny: my fault for jumping in at the wrong time, I suspect.
12:27<themill>dt kop hold ; held back ;
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12:27<themill>bah
12:27<kop>themill : From my perspective the more people I confuse with this the better. The behavior is weird.
12:27<fxiny>themill: why ? you added a valid point :)
12:27<gizokaka>themill:
12:27<themill>kop: /msg dpkg hold ; /msg dpkg held back
12:28<gizokaka>themill: it MB=GA-G35-DS3L
12:28<gizokaka>with the P35 chipset
12:29<gizokaka>themill: need any more info?
12:29<themill>gizokaka: "lspci -nn | grep -i vga" would be helpful.
12:29<kop>themill : I know all that. I've not yet tried using --set/get-selections to wack at the hold flag. But the odd thing is that according to dpkg --get-selections there is nothing on hold, even though aptitude search says there is.
12:30<fxiny>kop: i'd blame oo for the gnome upgrade failure
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12:31<kop>fxiny : I poked at my oo calc paste-into-mutiple-cells problem and found it only happens with kde. (etch)
12:31<fxiny>over the weekend i'll remove it
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12:32<gizokaka>themill: checking a way to do that, since i don't have a windowed env
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12:33<gizokaka>themill: it MB=GA-G35-DS3Lkdjfskl
12:33<kop>This is interesting. Having upgraded with apt-get I can now hold/unhold in aptitude again without it bitching.
12:33<gizokaka>oops
12:33<fxiny>kop: dunno that , i kept all debs for a second try so i'll check why gnome can't upgade
12:33<gizokaka>I will come back later, have to go to a wedding
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12:33<fxiny>gizokaka: get drunk :P
12:33<gizokaka>themill: thanx I will be back later,
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12:34<themill>I've never heard that one before...
12:34<kop>I take it back. I can do aptitude unhold without error, but aptitude still shows it to me as held.
12:34<themill>kop: can you pastebin the command and output?
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12:34<simonrvn>that's a first for me
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12:35*Aleric gets some popcorn for part 3.
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12:36*dutchy cannot stop laughing
12:36<SUPERSLADAK>i cant understend...
12:36<SUPERSLADAK>debian show me ttf-opensymbol new upgrade
12:36<kop>themill : Hang on a sec.
12:37*fxiny needs a pop field to clear up his luks movie partition :P
12:37<SUPERSLADAK>but after have many errors
12:37<SUPERSLADAK>openoffice
12:37<SUPERSLADAK>python-uno
12:37<SUPERSLADAK>and more more
12:37<dondelelcaro>!tell SUPERSLADAK -about enter
12:37<themill>SUPERSLADAK: can you paste the command and the output into a pastebin for us?
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12:38<Medalgod>i saw a good guide to installing an nVidia GPU on here the other day, anyone know where it is... have a feeling it was by Aleric
12:39<Aleric>Installing a GPU?
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12:39<fxiny>themill: anyway i'm quite happy with aptitude , if only could show package version (and repo) when -s install(ing) for my records would be ok
12:39<Medalgod>nvidia 8 series gfx card
12:39<Medalgod>ws it by you or am i dremin :p
12:40<Aleric>The only thing I wrote related to nvidia is http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/nvidia.html
12:40<Aleric>I wrote a lot more, but that was under a different name on the nvidia forums.
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12:40<Medalgod>ok, ta will take a luk at that
12:40<themill>fxiny: yeah.. --print-uris is a useful option for apt-get
12:41<Medalgod>just im about to go install a new gfx card so i thout a quik reads over a guide may help :p
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12:42<SUPERSLADAK>pff
12:42<SUPERSLADAK>im shuting down the paket ttf-opensymbol to not install but it`s giving me errors agien
12:43<kop>themill : http://pastebin.ca/1043970
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12:45<kop>themill : This is etch. It appears to show aptitude unhold is broken.
12:45<SUPERSLADAK>yes etch but why
12:46<SUPERSLADAK>this bug is known
12:46<SUPERSLADAK>how version i need ?
12:46<SUPERSLADAK>or updates
12:46<SUPERSLADAK>because this packet is from security.debian.org
12:47<fxiny>Candidate: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch5
12:47<themill>SUPERSLADAK: can you paste the command and the output into a pastebin for us?
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12:48<fxiny>themill: eating garlic ? :)
12:48<themill>must be
12:48<fxiny>:)
12:48<Aleric>LOL
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12:50<themill>kop: what does "aptitude search ~ahold" show?
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12:50<SUPERSLADAK>yes Setting up ttf-opensymbol (2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch5) ...
12:51<SUPERSLADAK>i cant remove this packet
12:51<SUPERSLADAK>why ?
12:51<kop>themill : ih linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 - Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
12:52<kop>themill : (on both systems)
12:52<themill>kop: well that's consistent at least...
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12:53<kop>themill : Yup. And dpkg --get-selections shows nothing on hold on either system.
12:53<SUPERSLADAK>dpkg: error processing ttf-opensymbol (--remove):
12:53<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
12:53<SUPERSLADAK>pfff
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12:54<SUPERSLADAK>and know what ?
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12:54<fxiny>to a paster ? now tell me he can read a paste and i'll kill myself !
12:54<kop>themill : I've still got the command history where I put the hold on. I was doing updates at the time. I'll pastebin that too.
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12:57<kop>themill : On second thought. There's nothing useful there at all it turns out. I thought I was doing updates, but that was via cron so there's nothing in the history.
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12:59<fxiny>kop: a cron script ?
12:59<kop>themill: I'm going to poke it with echo packagename hold | dpkg --set-selections
12:59<kop>fxiny : I update just from security.debian.org via cron. But I don't want to do that with kernels, hence the hold.
12:59<themill>kop: I see the same with etch. (dpkg and aptitude having different ideas about what package is on hold) but aptitude unhold works for me.
13:01<fxiny>kop: is keeping on hold the meta package ?
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13:01<kop>fxiny : No, or at least I don't think so. linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 is a metapackage?
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13:02<fxiny>nope
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13:04<kop>themill : Any guesses as to how to de-corrupt my aptitude db?
13:05<themill>kop: try aptitude install packgename+ (just tried it and it seems to work)
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13:06<themill>!dbugs 137771
13:06<kop>themill : Hey! That did the trick.
13:06<dpkg>#137771:N[aptitude] aptitude: holds should take effect in /var/lib/dpkg/status as well; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 01:33:02 UTC
13:06<themill>kop: ^^ which relates to dpkg vs aptitude having different ideas about the hold
13:07<fxiny>that's good
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13:07<themill>!dbugs 477165
13:07<dpkg>DONE:#477165:N[aptitude] aptitude: "aptitude unhold package" has no effect; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:03:02 UTC
13:07<kop>themill : Well, there's clearly something broken in aptitude, somewhere. But if they're going to mess with that part of the code I dunno if I'm up to filing another bug report about something that can't be reproduced.
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13:07<kop>themill : Ah. Yay!
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13:08*themill hugs the bts
13:09<kop>themill :)
13:09<kop>Well, that only took 3 hours on something that was going to take about 2 minutes this morning. :-P
13:09<themill>kop: It's fixed in the version in lenny. Interestingly, that bug has been around for a very very long time and was only reported in April this year.
13:10<themill>Obviously, people (a) don't use holds very much and (b) rarely try to unset them...
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13:10<kop>Can anyone think of a reason why ttyUSBx devices should not be persistant? That's for usb-to-serial converters.
13:10<fxiny>aptitude unhold worked on my box many times
13:11<kop>Yeah, it's worked for me in the past too.
13:12<themill>kop: such devices should only appear when you plug something in. Do "coldplug" events not work for you?
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13:13<simonrvn>i use holds, but i usually operate within the ui
13:14<themill>simonrvn: that's how I discovered the + thing. The UI offers no "unhold" only an "install" which cancels the hold.
13:14<simonrvn>yeh
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13:15<simonrvn>O_o
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13:16<kop>themill: The problem is that if you use a usb to serial device that has mutilple serial devices the different serial lines can have different devices each time. It's varied on me with kernel version but I spoke to a developer (greg@kroah.com) and he said it's up to udev to make the device names stay the same. (Rightly I think.)
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13:17<themill>kop: ahh yes. So one time, the device is ttyUSB0 and the next time it switches with a different device and it's ttyUSB1?
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13:17<kop>I've managed to reproduce the "hold problem" on another box.
13:17<kop>themill : right.
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13:18<kop>themill : I think you'd have the same problem if you used usb-to-1-serial devices, but had multiple ones already screwed into different serial devices.
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13:19<kop>themill : So, I think udev needs some rules. Which I'd send in when I eventually get around to writing. But not if there's an objection.
13:19<themill>kop: You could write a set of udev rules to always come up with the same device names just like the z25 mechanism for network cards.
13:19<kop>themill : Exactly.
13:20<kop>themill : And the question is, wouldn't everybody want the rules.
13:20<kerin>I'm doing a debootstrap install of Debian Sarge. debootstrap runs for a while, and then says "no /usr/share/debootstrap/devices.tar.gz. cannot create devices."
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13:20<kerin>the file doesn't exist, but it also isn't in any of the debootstrap .tar.gz files i've checked.
13:20<kerin>what's going wrong?
13:21<fxiny>ahh . solved the packages records problem : apticron , "verba volant mail manent" ;)
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13:22<themill>kop: probably, but not necessarily. USB-to-serial converters tend to be a little fickle in that they move from machine to machine a bit like usb disks. If there was an extra entry in the udev rules every time I plugged in a usb disk into my machine that could grow quite messy quite quickly.
13:22<fxiny>ops , it works only for updates :(
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13:23<kop>themill : I'm using them to make a serial console monitor. Obviously you don't want the devices moving around.
13:23<themill>kop: But it's probably a generically useful thing, I guess. Particularly if you used the device ID as the node (or a link for the node), since most of these devices have a unique id in them.
13:23<kop>themill : Yeah. It'd have to be the device id.
13:24<fxiny>kerin: sarge ? i used bpo debootstrap back then
13:24<fxiny>long time
13:24<kop>themill : The whole persistant device thing is a little "suprising". But I'll leave that problem for future generations. Anyhow, I'll send in some rules and see what the udev people have to say about it. (eventually)
13:24<kerin>fxiny: i'm just using the standard debian debootstrap, most recent version.
13:25<fxiny>most recent ? you said sarge
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13:25<themill>kop: let me know what you come up with... I'll probably be facing a similar problem some time soon.
13:25<kerin>it has a sarge install script.
13:26<kerin>would using debootstrap for the current debian version fix it?
13:26<fxiny>kerin: can't recall exactly , maybe i'm confusing sarge2etch bpo version
13:26<fxiny>there was some problem
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13:27<Woet>VHCS2 fails to send emails to hotmail, and generates weird text (part of the headers) on top of each email if it does get received
13:27<fxiny>yes , that was : bpo when upgrading sarge2etch
13:27<kerin>ah.
13:28<kop>themill : How would I let you know? (Which reminds me. Somebody (fxiny or twb?) wanted an off-line repository mirror and I suggested rsync-backup diffs. That probably won't work but rsync will now make diffs and that would work.)
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13:28<fxiny>kerin: must be twb
13:28<kerin>fxiny: hm?
13:29<kop>kerin : He ment that for me.
13:29<fxiny>ops
13:29<fxiny>yes :)
13:29<kerin>ah!
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13:30<fxiny>a offline mirror ? i thre was something on a list
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13:31<fxiny>apt-mirror > Subject: Etch-i386 Security Local Mirror
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13:34<kerin>fxiny: i think i fixed it. apparently the debian package contains devices.tar.gz but the tarball doesn't.
13:34<kerin>thanks for your input, my friend.
13:34<fxiny>kerin: the etch package ?
13:34<kerin>the generic debootstrap package.
13:34<fxiny>ok
13:36<kerin>i'm having quite the adventure - my DSL hard drive install broke, and when i tried to fix it I ended up uninstalling X, lib6c, and e2fsprogs.
13:37<kerin>and apt is hosed. :p
13:37<dutchy>kerin: reinstall is fastest, but with persistence you might be able to fix it.
13:37<kerin>hence the last-ditch in-place install.
13:38<dutchy>but I wouldn't do sarge if I were you.
13:38<kerin>i tried for about four hours. none of the force options helped. ;p
13:38<dutchy>been there, done that.
13:38<dutchy>pain in the *
13:38<infinitycircuit>kerin, you would have needed to do a lot of cp --parents (dpkg -L [libc6,e2fsprogs, etc.] | xargs)
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13:38<infinitycircuit>dollar before the parenthesis sorry
13:39<kerin>this is a thinkpad 560 - no ethernet, no modem. all it has is a wireless PCMCIA card, so no net install.
13:39<kerin>also: no cd drive.
13:39<MotoHoss>now that I have a fresh install 'Lenny' that works... how do I properly remove the old options in grub 1.96 that no longer exist?
13:39<kop>kerin : Does it pxeboot?
13:40<kerin>i put DSL on it via 40 floppy disks.
13:40<MotoHoss>grub-setup ?
13:40<kerin>not that i can discern, no.
13:40<kerin>?
13:40<kerin>not familiar with grub-setup.
13:40<kerin>moment, google.
13:40<kop>kerin : How about booting off a usb stick?
13:40<kerin>no usb!
13:41<infinitycircuit>kerin, are you serious haha thats intense
13:41<kerin>yep. :P
13:41<kerin>it's incredibly ghetto.
13:41<kerin>think it was made in 1997 or so - awful DSTN lcd and all.
13:41<dutchy>that explains why you use DSL
13:42<kerin>yeah, and why i'm replacing it with a very basic sarge install
13:42<kerin>i'm gonna put in xfree86 (svga) + icewm
13:43<dutchy>MotoHoss: with your favorite text editor, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and be careful.
13:44<MotoHoss>dutchy: /boot/grub/menu.lst no longer exists. i chose grub 2 on install.
13:44<dutchy>hmm
13:45<dutchy>has to be a config file somewhere
13:45<dutchy>now I wonder which grub I use, I am using sid.
13:46<maxb>Is it possible to override an *array* option from apt.conf on the apt-get command line?
13:46<infinitycircuit>dutchy, 0.97-39 0
13:46<dutchy>hmm, according to apt-cache policy, I don't have a grub installed, wonder how this machine boots then.
13:47<MotoHoss>if you have a menu.lst you are using old grub
13:47<infinitycircuit>dutchy, sidux boots with grub-gfxboot
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13:47<dutchy>ah, I am using grun-gfxboot
13:47<dutchy>grub*
13:47<dutchy>infinitycircuit: I am not using sidux anymore, pure sid.
13:48<infinitycircuit>dutchy, oh ok :)
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13:54<Woet>VHCS2 fails to send emails to hotmail, and generates weird text (part of the headers) on top of each email if it does get received
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13:57<bon>Can anyone suggest a good 64bit flash plugin? There was a good one told last night, but i had to reinstall since then and have lost it. I dont want nspluginwrapper as i have never been able to get it working
13:58<Torsten_W>gnash
13:58<Torsten_W>it's the one and only 64bit flash plugin
13:59<bon>Found the one i wanted last night with a very ... exact google search
13:59<bon>sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree to anyone interested
13:59<bon>well, thats what it was called anyway, now just to FIND it
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14:00<Torsten_W>bon: flushplugin-nonfree is not 64bit
14:00<dutchy>bon: that works in 64-bit by installing ndiswrapper (the package does that)
14:01<bon>ah, the backwards compatibility thing? Ah well. Ill try gnash then
14:01<bon>thanks fr thr ecc.
14:01<bon>for the recc*
14:01<dutchy>so if you don't want to use ndiswrapper, the only alternative is gnash
14:01<dondelelcaro>gnash actually works surprisingly well
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14:02<dutchy>dondelelcaro: yes, for most things but not all.
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14:02<Nemoder>I couldn't even get gnash working with youtube the other day
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14:02<dondelelcaro>if you're using the testing/unstable version of gnash or a backport, it should work fine.
14:03<Nemoder>using Lenny, the little banner at the top worked but videos were just white
14:03<dondelelcaro>recently?
14:03<Nemoder>few days ago
14:04<dondelelcaro>huh; looks like youtube broke it again
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14:04<dondelelcaro>they'll probably do a release shortly to fix it agian
14:04<dondelelcaro>oh; the version in experimental probably works... ;-)
14:06<dondelelcaro>Nemoder: yeah, the version in experimental works fine
14:06<Nemoder>well nspluginwrapper is working well enough for me with adobe
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14:08<Woet>VHCS2 fails to send emails to hotmail, and generates weird text (part of the headers) on top of each email if it does get received
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14:17<tompickles>desktop user wanting to install xfce version ----- etch or lenny?
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14:19<tompickles>???
14:20<simonrvn>lenny will be more up to date... and what's with the ???
14:20<tompickles>accident
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14:21<Woet>VHCS2 fails to send emails to hotmail, and generates weird text (part of the headers) on top of each email if it does get received
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14:23<dutchy>Woet: do you need to repeat your statement or do you have a question?
14:23<Woet>oh wait
14:23<Woet>VHCS2 fails to send emails to hotmail, and generates weird text (part of the headers) on top of each email if it does get received. Anyone has any idea how to fix?
14:23<Woet>that better?
14:24<dutchy>that is at least a question ;D
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14:31<bon>Is there a command to find a list of available .. depositories? that i cna attach to sources.list? The one i chose during install is woefully understocked..
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14:33<dondelelcaro>!mirrors
14:33<dpkg>well, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/
14:34<dondelelcaro>bon: if you're using a real Debian mirror, it'll have roughly 20k packages.
14:34<bon>i thought there was one! Thankyou dondelelcaro
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14:36<[machine]>bon: http://www.apt-get.org/ can also help find unofficial repositories, but these are not necessarily "trusted"
14:37<bon>it was one ont he CD i d/l from debian.com, however even made 'non free' its not finding packages that WERE on there previously
14:38<[machine]>yeh, this is other places, f.e. i list my repository of security testing tools on there - the ones i haven't introduced to debian.org proper yet :)
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14:44<bon>As i have little idea what im doing, would it be .. too ill advised to copy and paste anothers working sources.list and use as mine, or would this cause me problems later?
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14:46<dutchy>bon: just change the sources to ftp.uk.debian.org and that should fix you.
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14:47<dutchy>after you do that, then to apt-get (or aptitude) update
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14:51<bon>now i just get 'W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.uk.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.uk.debian.org_dists_etch_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)' multiple times (with different package lists)
14:52<xid>deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian main
14:52<xid>deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian etch main
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15:02<Woet>that better?
15:02<Woet>VHCS2 fails to send emails to hotmail, and generates weird text (part of the headers) on top of each email if it does get received. Anyone has any idea how to fix?
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15:06<dutchy>Woet: did you try googling it, doesn't seem people here are able to help at this time.
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15:19<Woet>dutchy: I did, looked at the scripts too
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15:32<kerin>every time i try to install a package in apt, it tries to upgrade libc6 as an "extra" package - which then fails because i'm using a 2.4 kernel.
15:32<kerin>however, my hardware is quite old and i think upgrading to 2.6 would be a horrible idea.
15:32<kerin>what should i do?
15:33<_shai_>kerin: Download a live cd and test the 2.6 kernel.
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15:34<kerin>pentium 133 with no cd rom or usb.
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15:36<_shai_>kerin: Ouch.
15:36<kerin>_shai_: yeah, you aren't wrong.
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15:37<_shai_>kerin: I'm sure it's possible to netboot something to test the hardware, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort.
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15:38<kerin>i'm running a hosed damn small linux install (copied on forty floppies) and i'm installing debian sarge via chroot/debootstrap.
15:38<kerin>-has a wireless card but no ethernet, so i can't just do a vanilla netinstall.
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15:40<kop>kerin: man apt and see what the options are for not installing 'extra' automatically?
15:40<kerin>thanks, i'll do that.
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15:42<kop>kerin : You might also try the kernel-package package and making your own 2.6 kernel with make-kpkg. That'll get the size down and you could probably run it.
15:42<kop>kerin : But you might want to do that on another box.
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15:46<figfig>I like linux
15:46<figfig>I eat it
15:46<figfig>it is good
15:46<shevek>figfig: Gnu is much better, there's more meat on them then on pinguins. :-P
15:47<figfig>Gnu's not chicken
15:47<shevek>True. :-)
15:48<kerin>is there a version of libc6 i can install with a 2.4 kernel?
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15:48<shevek>kerin: There should be, check archive.debian.org for a release which had a 2.4 kernel.
15:49<kerin>a release of what, debian?
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15:50<dondelelcaro>kerin: sarge is the last release that supports 2.4
15:50<dondelelcaro>(and there's really little reason to be running it any longer)
15:50<kerin>this IS sarge.
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15:51<kerin>...
15:51<dondelelcaro>kerin: then it'll work on 2.4.
15:51<kerin>apt-get is failing based on it being 2.4.
15:51<dondelelcaro>what does apt-cache policy; say?
15:52<kerin>one moment, i'll tell you.
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15:54<kerin>okay, yeah. that's weird.
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15:54<kerin>despite the fact that i was setting sarge up, one (but not all) of my apt repos is testing.
15:54<dondelelcaro>well, there you go.
15:55<kerin>that explains everything.
15:55<silentix>hy, does someone of you guys know if debian has a dfsclient to browse windows shares?
15:55<kerin>thanks, donde. you're a champ.
15:55<dondelelcaro>silentix: cifs you mean?
15:55<silentix>no it is called dfs. it is a distributed file system of microsoft
15:55<themill>*shudder*
15:56<kerin>aha, yeah! working perfectly now. thanks again. :)
15:56<dondelelcaro>not to my knowledge, and I'd run and hide from such a thing if I knew about it
15:56<dondelelcaro>kerin: np; you probably should consider upgrading to 2.6 if it's at all possible.
15:56<kerin>silentix: i think DFS is a server 2008 thing, isn't it?
15:56<kerin>probably way too new.
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15:57<kerin>dondelelcaro: as i said, not really an option. this laptop was old in 1997.
15:57<silentix>no you can also running it on 2003 Server. The problem is that linux can't handle that
15:57<kerin>40 megs of ram.
15:57<dondelelcaro>kerin: it'd probably still work
15:57<kerin>a friend told me the hardware wouldn't be supported and the overhead would be a problem.
15:58<kerin>he could be wrong, though. has been a couple times.
15:58<kerin>or, usually. hm.
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15:58<dondelelcaro>hard to say without knowing the hardware
15:58<dondelelcaro>in general it should still work; would be trivial to try.
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15:58<kerin>alright, cool.
15:58<kerin>i'll give it a shot.
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16:00<xid>Host/Kernel/OS "localhost" running Linux 2.6.24-1-486 i586 [ Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ]
16:00<xid>CPU Info Pentium 75 - 200 0 KB cache flags( - ) clocked at [ 120.281 MHz ]
16:00<xid>Videocard Compaq Computer QVision 1280/p tty resolution ( 90x16 )
16:00<xid> S3 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+]
16:00<xid>Network cards Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] 79c970 [PCnet32 LANCE], at port: 1400
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16:01<xid>sorry
16:01<themill>dpkg: xid paste
16:01<dpkg>themill: I give up, what is it?
16:01<themill>dpkg: fuck you
16:01<dpkg>no, fuck you
16:01<themill>dpkg: tell xid about paste
16:01<xid>its ok, i said sorry
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16:02<themill>xid: Just making sure you know what to do next time :)
16:02<xid>sure
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16:05<xid>kerin, have you seen *that* machine ?
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16:05<kerin>haha, which machine is that?
16:05<xid>a compaq
16:05<kerin>not sure what you mean.
16:06<xid>a compaq computer
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16:08<dutchy>xid: a real old one.
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16:08<xid> yes
16:08<xid>;)
16:08<xid>and on line too
16:09<dutchy>I've thrown away better machines than that one.
16:09<xid>hehe
16:09<dutchy>otoh, I still have a celeron 600 that runs sarge.
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16:11<xid>actually i use CPU Info Pentium II (Deschutes) 512 KB cache
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16:11<xid> clocked at [ 447.687 MHz ]
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16:12<hfotn>hi
16:12<hfotn>how many ip ranges can I add to iptables to be blocked?
16:12<hfotn>it seems to fail I need
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16:13<ptr>anyone know if there's a way to force ncftp to use EPSV instead of PASV?
16:14<dutchy>xid: you don't want me to show my infobash (I'd get kicked for the flood anyway) ;)
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16:16<xid>dutchy, hehe, try it
16:17<dutchy>xid: I'll just do one line
16:17<xid>ok
16:17<xid>tree
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16:17<dutchy>(2) Intel Core2 Duo E6750 @ 4096 KB cache flags( sse3 nx lm vmx ) clocked at [ 2656.000 MHz ]
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16:17<xid>yes
16:18<dutchy>was a killer machine when I bought it, now it's just run of the mill.
16:18<xid>too noising fot foo
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16:18<xid>for me*
16:19<dutchy>actually, this one is quiet, has extra quiet cooling system.
16:19<xid>haw much mem ?
16:19<dutchy>2GB
16:19<xid>ok
16:19<dutchy>not a real killer there, I could put more in, but don't need it.
16:20<xid>yes
16:21<dutchy>anyone here have experience with icecast or icecast2?
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16:22<client>if the cd didn't install my wireless card and video card, would i have better luck trying the dvd?
16:22<witte>client: no
16:22<dutchy>I am having trouble getting either to work, mpd is configured properly, icecast seems to be, but cannot connect to it, however, shoutcast running in a xp inside vbox works fine, so I know port is open.
16:23<witte>client: you can try the kmuto images, they have extra drivers, or you can install the drivers you need afterwards
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16:24<client>witte... i tried running irssi from the command line yesterday and it didn't reconize it, is that not included or something?
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16:25<witte>client: normally only a minimum of software is installed, and you just install whatever you need afterwards
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16:25<client>ok.
16:25<witte>client: i believe there are 18000 packages in debian, you probably won't need them all ;-)
16:26<client>yeah...
16:26<client>how would i go about adding a packet via usb?
16:26<witte>client: which wireless do you have?
16:27<client>linksys ws54
16:27<witte>client: probably "dpkg -i /path/to/usb/file.deb"
16:27<witte>client: can you show the lspci output of that card (only that line, or upload it to a pastebin)
16:27<witte>!pastebin
16:27<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
16:28<client>witte... currently i'm in windows. trying to gather some info and reboot
16:28<witte>ok
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16:29<xid>client, http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
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16:33<xid>dutchy, ices2 is installed ?
16:33<dutchy>xid: yes
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16:33<dutchy>and configured
16:33<dutchy>I am trying to get it working with mpd though, mpd is set to forward it to icecast
16:34<dutchy>I guess I should try it with ices2 first and when that works, work on the mpd
16:35<xid>dunno , maybe
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16:36<client>xid, the site has support for the wireless?
16:36<xid>client, yes
16:36<client>thanks
16:36<xid>np
16:37<client>also, if i got a amd do you recommand using the amd kernal the i386?
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16:38<witte>client: for a desktop it is probably still better to run i386
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16:38<witte>client: and read better as "easier"
16:39<client>thanks, thats what i figured,
16:39<witte>client: the amd64 should theoretically have a slightly better performance, but you wont notice that under normal usage
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16:40<client>i guess that was a better way of posing the question "would the difficulty be offset by the better performance" and i guess the answer is not under normal use... so i will go with the easier one.
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16:44<antonov>proverka
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16:59<sohmestra>what package contains the gnome cups admin utility?
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17:01<eto2>hiya
17:01<eto2>I have, hopefully, a quick question.
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17:02<eto2>I'm trying to install 4.0.1 from an external drive and I'm not sure what the installer is looking for when trying to find the USB drive.
17:03<eto2>it's 4.0r0, actually
17:03<witte>sohmestra: apt-cache search cups |grep gnome
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17:04<eto2>I've done this before, same machine, actually, but my magic is gone.
17:04<witte>eto2: your question is not very clear imho
17:04<eto2>witte: it boots off the disk, but then the installation process can't find the cdrom to continue loading
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17:05<eto2>witte: "No common CD-ROM drive detected."
17:05<eto2>witte: etc, I went through all the modules
17:05<witte>eto2: ah, never done it like that, but maybe you can go to ctrl-alt-f4, and mount the usb disk partition to /cdrom
17:06<eto2>witte: I might have to put or use a floppy in this
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17:08<witte>eto2: i just think that it wants to mount /dev/cdrom, but it can't find it
17:08<eto2>witte: that's correct
17:08<witte>eto2: could also just make a link from /dev/sdb2 to /dev/cdrom (with sdb2 an example)
17:08<eto2>witte: but I don't think this installation disk has the right driver for the external USB CD drive
17:09<witte>ah, it is an external usb cd driver?
17:09<witte>not an external hd driver
17:09<eto2>witte: correct
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17:09<eto2>witte: It's some sort of weird thing we can plug a DVD/CD into
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17:10<eto2>witte: And I've used it before, almost a year ago, for a Debian installation and now I'm getting a little fussy. :)
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17:11<witte>eto2: i have to admit i am not really sure about this, but check in the console which device is linked to the usb cd player, and if there is one (and there should be one), you can just make the link and it will work (i think ;-))
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17:12<eto2>witte: I've been poking around, but I don't know if this kernel knwos about external CD drives.
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17:12<eto2>witte: I might just have to move to random floppy manipulation. I'm just trying to remember how I did this before.
17:12<witte>eto2: it should, that is just ata ide, cdrom and usb stuff it needs, nothing fancy
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17:13<witte>eto2: but it will seem a usb hard disk to the installer
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17:15<xid>eto2, use the new 4.0r3 http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/
17:16<eto2>witte: Thank you for helping. I appreciate it. I'm stuck with this path right now.
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17:16<witte>xid: do you really think that woudl help? the only difference is some bug fixes i think...
17:16<eto2>xid: I would if I could
17:16<xid>witte, ok
17:16<witte>eto2: are you able to go to a console?
17:17<eto2>witte: I was thinking the same thing as xid, just screw this.
17:17<eto2>witte: yup
17:17<witte>eto2: dmesg | grep sd
17:17<eto2>witte: blank
17:18<eto2>witte: fuckme, sorry, did sd
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17:18<andywebsdale>Hi there, I've got a USB DVB-T stick (DPosh ULi M920x) - got it into a "warm" state but no output - any advice on testing such a device?
17:18<eto2>witte: sr 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 5
17:18<witte>andywebsdale: aptitude install usb-utils; lsusb
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17:19<johnw>hello guys im new in this place pleasei need help
17:19<witte>eto2: that seems to be your disk, right?
17:19<johnw>so can anybody help me
17:19<witte>!tell johnw about ask
17:20<johnw>well im new user linux
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17:20<johnw>so how can install amsn in my computer
17:20<witte>eto2: so ls /dev/sr* would show the device?
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17:20<witte>johnw: aptitude install amsn
17:21<johnw>i got knoppix 5.3
17:21<witte>!tell johnw about grounding
17:21<witte>!knoppix
17:21<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
17:21<eto2>witte: so /dev/sg0 is there, it exists, and thank you for helping me to find it, now I have to educate the installer about how to use it
17:21<johnw>i got this amsn-0.97.tar.bz2
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17:22<witte>eto2: ok, you could do ln -s /dev/sg0 /dev/cdrom
17:22<johnw>my english is poor so please help me
17:22<johnw>i don't like win vista
17:22<eto2>witte: that doesn't work, the kernel cannot communicate with the drive
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17:23<witte>eto2: ok, thank i am out of ideas :-)
17:23<eto2>witte: I'm going to take a break from this. Thanks for helping me.
17:23<johnw>alguien habla espa/ol en la sala
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17:23<gizmokaka>can anyone help me please
17:23<andywebsdale>I'm using Lenny by the way, I've got the driver(dvb_usb_m920x) working, firmware loaded - anyone got advice on dvbsnoop or similar for finding out what's going on?
17:23<gizmokaka>i installed debian on a new machine:
17:23<witte>johnw: this is debian channel, not knoppix
17:23<johnw>ahhhh i see
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17:24<gizmokaka>E8400 cpu
17:24<gizmokaka>P35 chipset
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17:24<gizmokaka>and gigabyte gt 8800 graphics card
17:24<gizmokaka>when starting the gdm i get an error:
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17:25<gizmokaka>failed to load module nvidia(module does not exist, 0) no drivers available
17:25<thozhoo>what is the command to list the devices so i know which usb to mount?
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17:26<andywebsdale>gizmokaka:Are you using nvidia's driver?
17:26<dutchy>thozhoo: lsusb should do it.
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17:27<gizmokaka>I don't know
17:27<thozhoo>thanks dutchy...
17:27<gizmokaka>andywebsdale: i guess not
17:27<gizmokaka>just don't know how to install it
17:27<witte>!nvidia
17:27<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
17:28<thozhoo>dutchy... i got a "command unknown"
17:28<thozhoo>my bad
17:28<thozhoo>typo
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17:28<dutchy>hehe, make me hit backspace....
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17:29<gizmokaka>andywebsdale: thanks, i will try that out
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17:29<thozhoo>ok real follow up this type... lsusb list the device in terms of bus, device, ID
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17:30<andywebsdale>gizmokaka:Its witte you should thank
17:30<thozhoo>how to i translate that to thelist under dev folder"?
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17:31<dutchy>thozhoo: what exactly are you trying to do?
17:31<thozhoo>mount a usb device so i can get my graphic stuff working
17:31<thozhoo>i'm stuck in command line debian
17:31<witte>thozhoo: ls /dev/sd* would probably be the thing you want
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17:32<witte>thozhoo: or ls -al /dev/disk/by-*/*
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17:33<andywebsdale>thozhoo:how is mounting a usb device going to make your graphics work?
17:33<dutchy>yes, hal should mount the usb device, but that should have nothing to do with X working.
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17:33<thozhoo>it has drivers on it
17:34<kerin>how to i check which packages are recommended to install with a given package?
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17:34<andywebsdale>thozhoo:heh
17:34<witte>thozhoo: or you can do dmesg |grep "\[sd"
17:34<kerin>wait, here it is.
17:34<witte>thozhoo: first try the following to get your graphics working:
17:35<dutchy>kerin: apt-cache show <package> will show you depends
17:35<witte>!set up x
17:35<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome><install kde><install xfce>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
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17:35<kerin>thanks!
17:35<HerrK>hi, i've got a problem with amixer. executed as a normal user, it returns 'amixer: Mixer attach default error: Invalid argument', executes as root, it works fine. the normal user is member of group audio
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17:38<gizmokaka>andywebsdale: hi again, i don't have the file /etc/X11/XF86Config on my pc
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17:38<gizmokaka>when did grep on Driver from xort.conf it found nvidia as the driver
17:38<gizmokaka>but it's a default nvidia
17:39<gizmokaka>andywebsdale: so what's next????
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17:41<xid>gizmokaka, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
17:43<gizmokaka>xid: isn't that related to screen issues???
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17:56<gizmokaka>xid: thanks man, it worked
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17:56<gizmokaka>I am up and running now
17:56<xid>np
17:56<gizmokaka>good night then
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18:32<Karl80386>I can't access my second hard disk. Debian tells me that I have no permissions, so I tried to log in as root, but it is not possible. What should I do?
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18:32<infinitycircuit>Karl80386, what do you mean it is not possible to log in as root?
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18:33<Karl80386>But, how can I view the hard disk contens?
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18:34<dendrite>Karl80386: The way it works if you want help, is if someone asks you a question, you need to answer it, as clearly as possible. You're being too vague to expect useful help.
18:36<Karl80386>Sorry, I don't know much english. If it was a question: yes, the X doesn't allow to log in as root, only as a user.
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18:36<dendrite>Karl80386: What type of Linux?
18:36<Karl80386>Debian.
18:37<dendrite>Karl80386: Can you login as a regular user, then open a shell and become root that way?
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18:37<infinitycircuit>Karl80386, oh ok. you can't log in as root in X for security reasons. if you login as a normal user, you can install "sux", then run "sux" type in your root password, and then launch a file manager
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18:37<Karl80386>what is a shell? isn't X a shell?
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18:38<dendrite>Karl80386: By shell I mean a text mode command prompt.
18:38<witte>Karl80386: login in as root in a graphical environment is considered unsafe
18:38<infinitycircuit>Karl80386, a terminal. on kde or gnome you can do alt+F2 and type in x-terminal-emulator
18:38<dendrite>Karl80386: While you could call X a "shell", it's not commonly thought of that way...
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18:40<Karl80386>I have just done it, but i can't still view the contens.
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18:40<dendrite>Karl80386: OK, at least now you have solved your first puzzle...
18:40<dendrite>Karl80386: What kind of disk is this, that you can't read?
18:40<Karl80386>500BG FAT32
18:41<Karl80386>sorry, GB
18:41<dendrite>And how did it come to be attached to the linux system?
18:41<Karl80386>SATA
18:42<dendrite>OK, so you turned off your machine, added the drive and started it back up?
18:43<Karl80386>I didn't do any back up. But linux didn't write on it.
18:44<dendrite>... That's not what I asked. I'm just trying to understand exactly what's going on. Remember, nobody on irc can see what's going on there.
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18:45<Karl80386>so, what do you want to know exactly?
18:45<dendrite>OK, so you turned off your machine, added the drive and started it back up?
18:45<dendrite>^^^
18:45<witte>Karl80386: which windowmanager are you using? gnome, kde or something else?
18:45<Karl80386>gnome
18:46*witte ponders... shouldn't gnome-volume-manager take care of these things?
18:46<dendrite>Karl80386: Where this probably going is that when you add a drive, you have to tell linux to mount it, it's not going to automatically get mounted.
18:46*dendrite has no idea about Gnome.
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18:46<Karl80386>dendrite: i just plugged the disk an turned on the computer
18:47<witte>Karl80386: can you do "ls -al /dev/sd*
18:47<dendrite>Karl80386: OK, pastebin the output of the command "cat /proc/partitions"
18:47<witte>!pastebin
18:47<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
18:47<dendrite>witte: Thanks.
18:48<Karl80386>When I right-click, there is an unmount option. i think it's mounted
18:48<dendrite>Karl80386: Oh, and also pastebin the output of the command "mount"
18:48<dendrite>Karl80386: OK, in that case, pastebin the output of the command "mount"
18:49<Karl80386>patebin??
18:49<Karl80386>how to copy first?
18:50<dendrite>Select the area with the mouse by click-dragging from the upper left part of the text to the lower right.
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18:51<Karl80386>i have used the console F1
18:51<Karl80386>i'll tell you the output, wait
18:51<dendrite>Karl80386: Ah. That's rather harder. Yeah, just "tell it."
18:52<dendrite>Karl80386: Odds are you're interested in lines that have "/dev/sdb..." in them.
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18:52<dendrite>Karl80386: And if you notice, mount lists devices, and says "on <mountpoint>" for many of 'em.
18:53<dendrite>So you should be able to cd to that mountpoint and 'ls' to see stuff there.
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18:54<Karl80386>the format is: major minor blocks name
18:54<Karl80386>3 0 much hda
18:55<Karl80386>3 1 much hda
18:55<Karl80386>3 2 much hda
18:56<Karl80386>oops! the secon is hda1, and the 3rd is hda2
18:56<dendrite>Karl80386: At least some of those "hda" lines will have a number after 'em... Do you see any hdb, or sda ?
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18:56<Karl80386>sda and sda1, none hdb
18:56<dendrite>Karl80386:
18:56<dendrite>Ah ha
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18:57<dendrite>sda1 is your data partition.
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18:57<dendrite>on that drive.
18:57<kerin>how do i install orinoco_cs drivers in sarge?
18:57<dendrite>Karl80386: Is /dev/sda1 listed at all when you run "mount" ?
18:57<witte>kerin: sarge is outdated, why do you still use it?
18:57<witte>kerin: you have better chances with a newer debian version
18:58<kerin>pentium 133, i'm afraid.
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18:58<kerin>ancient laptop/i've heard of people getting sarge running on it but nothing newer.
18:58<noflash>kerin, how much ram?
18:58<Karl80386>yes, and it's on the same location where the error told me
18:58<kerin>40mb.
18:58<noflash>ewww
18:58<witte>kerin: pffft,
18:58<dendrite>Karl80386: what location?
18:58<kerin>although only 38 seem to be usable by the OS.
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18:59<witte>kerin: don't know if the orinoco drivers will work in a sarge kernel
18:59<witte>kerin: which kernel do you have now?
18:59<Karl80386>tmp/disks-conf-sda1
19:00<dendrite>Karl80386: You mean /tmp/disks-conf-sda1 ?
19:00<kerin>i put 2.4.27-3-586tsc in it, although i have yet to try to boot (doing a chroot install)
19:00<Karl80386>but when i write / this program is expecting a command
19:01<dendrite>Karl80386: try "cd /tmp/disks-conf-sda1"
19:01<kerin>i'm currently using damn small linux 4.2, i believe the kernel for that is 2.4.35
19:02<Karl80386>dir works, but how to do in X?
19:02<kerin>karl: do it through a console.
19:02<dendrite>Use your file manager, click on the "root" or "file system" clicky thingy, then on /tmp and so on.
19:03<Karl80386>the same error
19:03<dendrite>Karl80386: Your file manager is probably taking you to /home/karl/ -- while that disk is mounted way up at /tmp/disks-conf-sda1/
19:04<dendrite>Karl80386: What error is that?
19:04<witte>kerin: try to compile the drivers, don't know if it will work (be sure to check the documentation)
19:04<witte>!orinoco
19:04<dpkg>well, orinoco is a linux-supported wireless device, or http://www.nongnu.org/orinoco/, or secondary (station) firmware is unable to be flashed in GNU/Linux. Firmware is available from <http://ftp.lucky.net/pub/radio/software/ORINOCO/PC_Card/Firmware/>, Agere 7.xx and 8.xx firmwares are buggy in monitor mode, use <= 6.16 for this feature. Also ask about <orinoco usb>.
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19:05<Karl80386>"The folder contens could not be displayed" "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "disks-conf-sda1""
19:06<dendrite>Karl80386: OK. try this: "ls -la /tmp/disks-conf-sda1
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19:06<dendrite>Karl80386: You will see the user and group that own that device, as well as flags that indicate who can do what with that space.
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19:07<dendrite>Sounds to me like that disk is just mounted so only root can get at it...
19:07<Karl80386>no, i only can see the final part of an attrbuted dir
19:07<Karl80386>yes, maybe only root
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19:08<dendrite>Karl80386: Is this disk going to be a permanent part of the system? What is your intention with that disk?
19:10<Karl80386>sometimes i remove the linux disk and boot with windows xp, but when linux is running, the xp disk is always visible for linux
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19:11<dendrite>OK, in that case I'd probably set about creating a permanent mount point for that drive, and adding an entry in your /etc/fstab to mount it there and with more usable permissions.
19:12<Karl80386>where/how to do it?
19:14<dendrite>man mount, man fstab, search the web, and ask specific questions here when you have done some research.
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19:15<dendrite>Karl80386: In a nutshell, you'll use mkdir to create an empty directory somewhere (your mount point), then create a line in your fstab to tell the system to mount /dev/sda1 to mount there, with fat32 specific arguments to set permissions.
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19:23<Karl80386>the create directory option is disabled
19:24<dendrite>Karl80386: You're going to want to create the directory in your existing file space -- not under /tmp/ -- and you're going to want to use the root shell prompt to do this, I think.
19:25<witte>!fstab
19:25<dpkg>fstab is probably a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it.
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19:28<Karl80386>that disk seems not to be in fstab
19:29<dendrite>Karl80386: That's right, you'll need to add it.
19:29<Karl80386>with mount?
19:29<dendrite>Karl80386: And, you'll need to set options for user at least, to tell mount what user to give it to.
19:29<dendrite>Karl80386: You use a text editor to edit /etc/fstab
19:30<Karl80386>and, what have i to add?
19:30<dendrite>Karl80386: the man page for fstab will help you there.
19:31<dendrite>Karl80386: You will need some patience, but you'll get it sorted. You're on the right track.
19:33<Karl80386>ok, i'll look. but what's happening? sometimes my mouse doesn't work when i go back to ctrl+f7, and sometimes it works
19:34<dendrite>Karl80386: You would probably find it much easier to launch a command from inside gnome, and run "su -" to gain root. (supply root password)
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19:48<philsf>hello
19:48<philsf>is -proposed safe for production use?
19:49<philsf>etch-proposed-updates
19:49<kerin>I need to move the contents of a directory to the parent directory including hidden files without changing file permissions. am i right in believing that "mv * .." (used within the directory whose contents I want to move out) will accomplish this?
19:49<kerin>cd \
19:50<kerin>(ignore the second post, please!)
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19:56<Karl80386>i can't save fstab, it is readonly, but there are no attributes in the properties window
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19:57<phogg>Karl80386: you must be root to modify that file
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19:58<Karl80386>are there any text editor for the console in fullscreen like the dos edit?
19:58<Supaplex>vim?
19:58<nevyn>Karl80386: lots and lots of editors.
19:58<Supaplex>!start an editor war
19:58<dpkg>ae is known to cause sexual impotence
19:59<nevyn>Karl80386: I don't know of an ncurses clone of dos edit tho.
19:59<nevyn>nano is a simple editor that's got no supprises.
19:59<Supaplex>nano comes sorta close
19:59<witte>Karl80386: you edited it as root?
19:59<witte>Karl80386: "nano /etc/fstab" in a terminal (in which you have done "su" to obtain root permission)
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19:59<Karl80386>how to exit vim??
19:59<nevyn>Supaplex: but it doesn't have the pull down menu stuff
20:00<amphi>Karl80386: mcedit is probably the closest
20:00<nevyn>Karl80386: escape :q!
20:00<Karl80386>it doesn't work
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20:01<Supaplex>well, what do you want, edit.exe in dosemu?
20:01<Karl80386>ah! ":q" it works
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20:04<dendrite>Karl80386: Of course :q doesn't tell vim to save the changes...
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20:06<nevyn>dendrite: if he doesn't know how to get out.. he almost certainly doesn't want to save any changes.
20:06<dendrite>nevyn: *nod*
20:07<dendrite>nevyn: He's trying to incorporate a partition on a SATA disk into his fs tree -- sda1 -- it's fat32 he said.
20:08<nevyn>Supaplex: a ncurses clone would be awesome thanks.
20:08<Supaplex>!search
20:08<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt
20:09<Supaplex>I've tried lots of editors over the years. I rely on vim now.
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20:11<amphi>nevyn: mcedit is closel, as I said
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20:14<philsf>(sorry if this is a FAQ )is etch-proposed-updates safe for production use?
20:14<nevyn>Supaplex: I keep getting tempted by the dark side (emacs)
20:15<Supaplex>zile is a nice small clone
20:16<Karl80386>well, i surrender. mount tells me that /tmp/disks-conf-sda1 is not a block device. thanks anyway. bye.
20:16<nevyn>Karl80386: thaat's cause it's not.
20:16<dendrite>Karl80386: The block device is /dev/sda1
20:16<themill>philsf: depends on your definition of safe and production. I'm using etchnhalf on my laptop but I wouldn't use it on a server just yet. (Also, not everything that is uploaded to etch-proposed-updates will ever make it into a point release)
20:16<nevyn>/dev/sda1 is the block device you're looking for.
20:17<dendrite>Karl80386: The mount point it's *currently* mounted at is that /tmp/disks-conf-sda1 ...
20:17<philsf>themill: etchnhalf is just the .24 kernel, correct?
20:17<philsf>not the entire proposed-updates branch
20:17<themill>philsf: it's 2.6.24 plus a few other things. /msg dpkg etchnhalf
20:18<Karl80386>now it says that /dev/sda1 doesn't exist
20:18<themill>philsf: *most* things in etch-proposed-updates will be released with the next point release.
20:19<philsf>themill: I read the msg, and the site, but the instuctions are to enable the proposed-updates. I guess my real question is: is it safe (as in no regressions) to use all the updates there?
20:19<dendrite>Karl80386: does it say "mount point" /dev/sda1 doesn't exist?
20:19<philsf>themill: do you happen to know what will *not* go in the next point release?
20:20<themill>philsf: these are *proposed* updates. One presumes that there are issues still to be worked on that make them *proposed* not released.
20:20<Karl80386>no, it says special device instead of mount point
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20:20<dendrite>Karl80386: Right, because /dev/sda1 is the DEVICE
20:21<themill>philsf: there might be more bugs fixed. Sometimes maintainers upload packages that fix bugs that are not considered serious enough to justify changing stable so the updates are not included. I don't know if there are any packages in that situation for 4.0r4.
20:21<dendrite>Karl80386: You need to tell your system to mount that device at a mount point. The two things are not interchangable.
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20:22<philsf>themill: I really thought the testing was done in, well, testing :), and the -proposed was the final step before the final release. I asked in #-release about a timeline for the next point release, but there is none.
20:22<philsf>themill: If I'm correct in these assumptions, I guess it's safe enough for my purposes, but I'd like to check it here before using it
20:22<themill>philsf: no, testing is what might become the next stable; stable-proposed-updates is what might become the next point release.
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20:24<philsf>themill: oh, I figured the packages from proposed came from testing, in the case of a backport (I know the particular case of the kernel went this way, but now I see it's not always like this)
20:24<dendrite>Karl80386: Earlier you wrote "now it says that /dev/sda1 doesn't exist" -- then you clarified that it said "no, it says special device instead of mount point". You need to THINK about what you are doing, and take care to not be sloppy in your thinking, let alone in your system config files...
20:25<themill>philsf: indeed. stable-proposed-updates are not backports at all. They are supposed to be only new packages that fix serious bugs that would otherwise result in data loss or making the package unusable or security issues.
20:25<themill>philsf: if you want backports, then look at backports.org :)
20:26<philsf>themill: thanks, I already use some backports
20:26<themill>philsf: :)
20:26<philsf>themill: thanks, I'll give it all a shot
20:26*philsf crosses his fingers
20:26<themill>philsf: yeah, that's pretty much what I did a while ago. Worked out well :)
20:26<Supaplex>Karl80386: cat /proc/partitions for a list of disk and partitions the kernel is aware of
20:27<themill>philsf: just beware of proprietary video drivers and the new kernel
20:27<dendrite>Supaplex: He already knows, or should know, that he's after /dev/sda1.
20:27<Supaplex>if you say so.
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20:28<dendrite>Supaplex: scrollback. We were there a while back. =)
20:28<Karl80386>sda and sda1 have almost 500GB, why? my disk is only 500, no 1000GB
20:28<Supaplex>I take your word for it, really. ok. I get it. awesome. yay.
20:29<nevyn>Karl80386: it's not in k.
20:29<nevyn>oh.
20:29<nevyn>yeah the device has 500 MB and the partition has 500MB
20:29<nevyn>but they're the same 500Mb
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20:29<Karl80386>but there are sda and sda1
20:30<dendrite>Karl80386: what nevyn said. sda1 is a "liner" inside the sda disk. So to speak.
20:30<dendrite>Karl80386: Like a 30 gal trash can, with a 30 gal trash bag liner. you only get 30 gallons.
20:30<nevyn>sda1 is the partition.. sda is the entire disk.
20:30<philsf>themill: actually, the kernel is exactly what is driving me to proposed-updates, since I need an ethernet driver there (e1000e). do you suggest to pin it down, so I get only the kernel?
20:30<Karl80386>i understand
20:30<nevyn>dendrite: nice metafore. I like.
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20:32<themill>philsf: that's the main thing that you're likely to get. There are some libc packages too. But also things like apache2, qt, kerberos in there...
20:32<dendrite>nevyn: If you saw all my files, you'd understand. =)
20:32<themill>philsf: So yeah, use some pinning to make it low priority then explicitly install the .24 kernel package.
20:33<themill>philsf: I take it that fglrx or nvidia aren't an issue for you then
20:33<nevyn>dendrite: it doesn't work well with LVM tho ;)
20:33<philsf>themill: no, it's mainly a remote only access, and it's connected to an almost completely broken monitor, so vesa is just fine ;)
20:33<themill>philsf: heh
20:34<dendrite>nevyn: lvresize -L 1000G /dev/mapper/trashcan
20:34*dendrite grows his dumpster...
20:34<philsf>themill++
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20:34<nevyn>dendrite: that's almost as good as people using the trash folder in their email client for storing important messages
20:35<nevyn>or the recycling bin on windows.
20:35<dendrite>nevyn: I don't think the human mind naturally deals well with organizing piles of files...
20:36*nevyn looks at his desk and agrees
20:36<dendrite>nevyn: You can SEE your DESK??? I'm so jealous... =)
20:36<Karl80386>i've just mounted successfully /dev/sda in /dev/d but i still get the same error: "no permissions"
20:37<nevyn>mounting /dev/sda is almost certainly undesirable
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20:37<Karl80386>oops, i wrote bad. i wanted to say sda1
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20:37<dendrite>nevyn: Or are you just assuming there's a "desk" under there...
20:38<dendrite>Karl80386: You want to mount /dev/sda1, not /dev/sda. And you want to find a mount point that's not in /dev, /tmp, or /proc .
20:38<Karl80386>why not?
20:38<dendrite>Karl80386: But, you are making progress.
20:38<dendrite>Karl80386: Because /dev is where system devices are managed by the kernel (like mice and disks ) live, not where they're used.
20:39<debacle>hi all, portscanning my debianbox i've found 5190/tcp port open. how can i know what server is listening on this port ?
20:39<dendrite>Karl80386: The permissions issue will be solved by reading the fstab man page, and especially options for fat, and specifically the option to specify what user to give the disk to.'
20:39<Supaplex>dendrite: lsof, or netstat -tp
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20:39<dendrite>...
20:40<nevyn>dendrite: netstat -ln
20:40<dendrite>debacle: ^^^ What Supaplex said to me.
20:40<nevyn>dendrite: I'm assuming..
20:40*dendrite steals Supaplex's and nevyn's <TAB> key.
20:40<Karl80386>so i have to put my name near to the rw,user,noauto string?
20:40<Supaplex>lazy eyes + tab complete oops. :)
20:41<nevyn>dendrite: ok ok point taken
20:41<witte>Karl80386: no, with those options it should be ok
20:41<dendrite>Karl80386: Yes. as in, user=karl, or whatever your user name is. man fstab.
20:41<witte>Karl80386: but you need to mount it as normal userr than
20:41<Karl80386>"user=karl" or "user,karl"
20:42<Supaplex>sudo -u $(whoami) id ;) hahaha.
20:42<witte>Karl80386: and it is the uid that must be set, i am not sure if user=karl will be accepted
20:43<witte>Karl80386: most likely you need uid=1000 (but with the line you mentioned, you do not need that, just mount it as normal user, not root)
20:43<Karl80386>i'm asking if i have to MODIFY (user=karl), or ADD (user,karl)
20:43<Supaplex>user alone should do it
20:44<debacle>supaplex: tryed netstat and lsof | grep 5190 ... no results .... help please !
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20:44<Supaplex>debacle: as root
20:44<Supaplex>or as the user owning the process(es) in question
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20:46<dendrite>Ugh, power out, and more ore less continuous cloud to ground ligtning here.
20:47<Supaplex>~lart slackers@power company
20:47<Supaplex>!lart slackers@power company
20:47*dpkg beats slackers@power company senseless with a 50lb Unix manual
20:47<debacle>netstat -tp report only a ssh established (by me) session. the problem is that i've nmapped my wan port and i've discovered 5190 tcp port opened ... i'm not shure a connection is established
20:48<debacle>cant i see who open 5190 tcp socket ? and if yes how ?
20:48<Supaplex>debacle: oh, use -a for all ports.
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20:48<Supaplex>5190 sounds vncish
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20:49<debacle>vnc ? isn't 5900 ??
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20:49<Supaplex>my bad. /etc/services says it's aol
20:49<adonikam>/ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS
20:49<adonikam>gg
20:50<Supaplex>humm, if I delete port 5190, will aol go away? :D
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20:50<_ZeuZ_>Supaplex, not even close
20:50<Karl80386>and when trying to unmount it, it can't bacause is says that it's mounted multiple times
20:50<Supaplex>pity
20:50<_ZeuZ_>it will not be shown for example in netstat -puta
20:50<_ZeuZ_>(as the name of the service)
20:50<_ZeuZ_>but it will be shown with the port number
20:51<witte>Karl80386: as root: umount -l /dev/sda1
20:51<witte>Karl80386: or if that does not work, umount /path/to/mountpoint
20:52<witte>Karl80386: for every mount that is
20:52<Karl80386>"unmount: command not found"
20:53<azeem>Karl80386: please read more carefully
20:53<azeem>it's umount, not unmount
20:54<Karl80386>ok sorry, i am used to DosBox commands
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20:54<debacle>supaplex: no process seems to be using 5190. how this can be ?
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20:54<Karl80386>another error: "/dev/sda1 mount disagrees with the fstab"
20:54<thozhoo>why is that knoppix live cd can get my radion x800 working but debian can't?
20:55<_ZeuZ_>debacle, pastebin the output of netstat -puta
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20:55<_ZeuZ_>Karl80386, it gives you that error because you're trying to unmount the device that has / mounted on it
20:55<witte>thozhoo: because your knoppix has newer drivers than debian etch, or because knoppix includes the radion driver?
20:56<Supaplex>debacle: are you running an instant messenger or something?
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20:56<Supaplex>thomasbl: /msg dpkg ati maybe?
20:56<debacle>supaplex: NO absolutely no !
20:56<_ZeuZ_>Supaplex, that's what I'm after... with the output of netstat -puta we'll know what's being executed that's requiring network access
20:57<Karl80386>no, it's not my first disk, it's the second
20:57<debacle>_ZeuZ_ : netstat -puta output is here http://debian.pastebin.com/d2eafe607
20:57<_ZeuZ_>crap, leopard under vmware is... crappy
20:58<Karl80386>_ZeuZ_: why not netstat -bitch? "puta" means "bitch" in spanish
20:58<Karl80386>:D
20:58<_ZeuZ_>debacle, look at lines 15 to 17
20:58<_ZeuZ_>Karl80386, Si lo se xD Soy argentino
20:58<_ZeuZ_>Karl80386, I know, I'm argentinian, thugh I know worse ones
20:59<Karl80386>pero, para q s puta?
20:59<Supaplex>!es
20:59<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:59<_ZeuZ_>Karl80386, it shows the connections and which application is causing it
20:59<_ZeuZ_>Karl80386, you can try it freely, no need to have priviledges...
20:59<debacle>zeuz: no ... this is a regular ssh connection established by me
20:59<_ZeuZ_>I know
20:59<_ZeuZ_>though you didn't told me it was a remote system
20:59<Karl80386>have you read my problems whoth the drive?
21:00<Karl80386>with...
21:00<_ZeuZ_>Also: Why so many Network Time Protocol connections? Doin't you thjink one NTP server is enough?
21:01<debacle>anyway i cant see any socket open/listen on 5190 TCP
21:01<_ZeuZ_>Do something:
21:01<_ZeuZ_>(as root)
21:01<Supaplex>debacle: did you test it again? telnet ip.ip.ip.ip 5190
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21:01<_ZeuZ_>tcpdump -vvv -i INTERFACE (replace the interface with the outgoing one) | grep 5190 >>>>>>> That will help you see if there's transmision or not on that port
21:02*Supaplex ponders a possible layer 8 networking issue
21:02<_ZeuZ_>if there's transmision on that port, it will show some output, if not, it will stand by until there's some traffic
21:02<Supaplex>uhm, tcpdump can accept "port 5190" as a pcap expression (no need for grep)
21:02<debacle>telnet: connect to address 77.43.13.50: Operation timed out
21:02<witte>Supaplex: layer 8, as in osi layer?
21:02<Supaplex>yes, as in "user"
21:02<dendrite>Supaplex: LOL
21:02<_ZeuZ_>Supaplex, The grep is for only seing the transfer on that port, without the rest, instead of appying it directly to tcpdump
21:03<witte>pebkac
21:03<Karl80386>_ZeuZ_: pues yo hoy he "cogido" una "concha", que en español significa que que he "comido" un "bollo" de chocolate, respectivamente
21:03<Karl80386>:D
21:03<_ZeuZ_>Karl80386, In english, please x'D
21:03<Karl80386>ok
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21:04<Supaplex>or preclude yourself from the useless use of grep award with, tcpdump -vvv -i INTERFACE port 5190
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21:04<_ZeuZ_>Supaplex, Specified that on my previous message xD
21:04<debacle>nmap output is here http://debian.pastebin.com/d455cc00c
21:04<_ZeuZ_>Supaplex, It's just a matter of tastes
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21:05<_ZeuZ_>debacle, are you acting as a router with that PC? check the iptables tables (more likely, check the FORWARD and NAT tables)
21:05<Supaplex>grep could match any 5190 occurance. why not ask tcpdump for the layer 4 critiera you're after explicitly? :)
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21:05<_ZeuZ_>Supaplex, because I've never managed a network that big like that for me to happen ^_^ hihihi
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21:05<_ZeuZ_>Supaplex, the bigger network I manage, has 14X terminals...
21:06<_ZeuZ_>(and the worse problem I have, is user incompetency, gosh, I'm a dunce, but they're more dunce than me
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21:06<Supaplex>I have 6 or 8 here. I lost count how many routers are in the lab alone at work.
21:06<Supaplex>my intent was to be informative, not condecending. sorry :)
21:07<debacle>ZeusZ: yes. debian is also a router but netstat-nat report no routing activity (anyway pcs are ALl off)
21:07<_ZeuZ_>debacle, that pretty much doesn't say anything
21:08<_ZeuZ_>even if the destiny of a forward is unreacheable, nmap will report the port as open, because the data is being left to passthrough
21:08<debacle>ZeuZ : ohhhh
21:08<_ZeuZ_>Supaplex, mine is a Wireless network... 4 panels, 140-14X terminals not counting the terminals on the cyber-coffees
21:09<_ZeuZ_>Supaplex, only one public IP for all of them... so they kee calling me to allow them to use P2P.. I've set a cron job to allow this from 1am to 4am since I only have 3mb/1.5mb
21:09<Supaplex>kewl. I didn't know pc's needed coffee
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21:09<_ZeuZ_>Supaplex, hmm... if that was a joke, it wasn;t that funny xD ... I'm the one who needs coffe...
21:10<_ZeuZ_>debacle, iptables -t NAT -L
21:10<_ZeuZ_>erm
21:10<_ZeuZ_>iptables -t nat -L
21:10<witte>!coffee _ZeuZ_
21:10*dpkg decants a fine mud of Jamaican Blue Mountain for _ZeuZ_, courtesy of witte
21:10<Supaplex>well, what's cyber-coffee break down to? :)
21:10<_ZeuZ_>witte, thanks dude, beers are on me...
21:10<Supaplex>!beer _ZeuZ_
21:10*dpkg deftly decants a fine Piraat for _ZeuZ_
21:10<debacle>iptables v1.4.0: can't initialize iptables table `NAT': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
21:10<_ZeuZ_>Supaplex, cyber-coffees as in Cyber Caffees (places where people goes to access internet, games and stuff)
21:11<debacle>ok sorry : iptables- t nat -L
21:11<Supaplex>*nod*. I'm playing with words. :)
21:11*_ZeuZ_ Think's he's been pwned because of it's lack of skill in the english languaje
21:11<Karl80386>what command removes directorys?
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21:11<_ZeuZ_>Karl80386, rm -rf FOLDER
21:11<debacle>http://debian.pastebin.com/d7e5dc7f
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21:12<_ZeuZ_>debacle, show me the forward table (iptables -t forward -L )
21:12<_ZeuZ_>debacle, and just in case, a general iptables -L
21:12<Karl80386>ok, i'll only use my 2nd HD for windows
21:13<_ZeuZ_>Karl80386, what was your problem again?
21:13<debacle>iptables v1.4.0: can't initialize iptables table `forward': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
21:13<debacle>i do not have any forward rules !
21:13<_ZeuZ_>debacle, have yougot linux-igd daemon running?
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21:14<Karl80386>no permmisions while i want to view mu HD contens
21:14<debacle>how can i know this ?
21:14<_ZeuZ_>Karl80386, MU ?
21:14<debacle>ps -a ^?
21:14<debacle>ps -a ?
21:14<_ZeuZ_>debacle, ps ax | grep upnpd
21:14<Karl80386>yen in console, no in gnome
21:14<witte>Karl80386: if you reboot, probably gnome will see it, and you will be able to open it
21:14<_ZeuZ_>Karl80386, mount the Windows partition with ntfs-3g
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21:15<_ZeuZ_>Karl80386, supposing it's a windows partition, ntfs based, do:
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21:15<debacle>ps report no upnpd process !
21:15<witte>_ZeuZ_: he has fat
21:15<_ZeuZ_>witte
21:15<_ZeuZ_>Oh...
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21:15<_ZeuZ_>I said nothing then
21:16<witte>_ZeuZ_: he added a line in /etc/fstab, and it has taken us a few hours to get that far
21:16<Karl80386>the most stange thing is that i could access it 15 minutes ago, but i can't now, and i didn't reboot
21:16<_ZeuZ_>debacle, mind you if I ask you for one more output of netstat -puta ?
21:16<_ZeuZ_>witte: lol
21:16<thozhoo>i think witte or someone here was nice enough to recomand kmuto for getting my wirless working, and where as before the wireless card showed up and dind't work, now it just doesn't show up.... is that normal?
21:17<witte>thozhoo: could be it was me :)
21:17<_ZeuZ_>witte: remember the problem I had last time? my sources where not complete... Dunno how I messed them, but the sources of b43 module was not around...
21:17<witte>thozhoo: it is not normal no
21:17<_ZeuZ_>thozhoo, ETCH?
21:17<debacle>ZeuZ: here you are http://debian.pastebin.com/d2aa6d09e
21:17<witte>thozhoo: which wireless again?
21:18<thozhoo>yes _zeuz_
21:18<thozhoo>linksys wg54
21:18<Karl80386>are there any gnome chat program compatible with live messenger plus?
21:18<witte>thozhoo: can you paste lspci in a pastebin
21:18<witte>_ZeuZ_: sorry, think i forgot about that one :-)
21:19<_ZeuZ_>debacle, do /msg dpkg _ZeuZ_ and send me the public IP, perhaps there'ssomething glitched, let me see from the outside, and if nothing shows up, we'll set all the traffic on that port to be dropped (possible security issue)
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21:20<witte>thozhoo: but which driver, the lspci output would really help
21:20<thozhoo>witte, i have not finished installing the ETCH, i will past in pastbin once i am done.
21:20<debacle>ZeuZ: did my private message has arrived ?
21:21<witte>thozhoo: ok, but it is 3:20 at my locale, could be that i will not be here, so someone else will help you
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21:22<thozhoo>i'm probably gonna call it a night soon... so maybe i will see you otmorrow or else i am sure someone else can help... you're in europe?
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21:22<witte>thozhoo: yeah
21:22<_ZeuZ_>debacle, yes, I'm scannign, though I've only have 256kbps here so it might take a little while
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21:23<witte>thozhoo: but if you are now installing using wired internet, it normally will not be a problem to install the wireless afterwards...
21:23<debacle>no problem ... take all the time you need !
21:23<debacle>ZeuZ: in the meantime i'll continue paranoying myself
21:24<thozhoo>i seem to internet connnection using the lan and pluging it into a repeater.... do you guys know of any command line irc that instals on dabian?
21:24<thozhoo>i already know my video card isn't gonna work
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21:26<witte>thozhoo: irsii is commenly referred to, and i use rcirc in emacs
21:26<witte>(note, emacs22, don't think it is in emacs21 which is in etch)
21:28<thozhoo>darn... i tried irssi instread of irsii last night... now i feel stupid...
21:28<_ZeuZ_>debacle, well, does not show up here...
21:29<debacle>ZeuZ : are you using nmap ?
21:29<thozhoo>well thanks, i'n gonna let this install and i'll be back laterto talk to someone else or i'll be on tomorrow, in which case i might run into you again.
21:29<_ZeuZ_>debacle, yup
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21:30<debacle>Zeuz: please try nmap -sS -PS -P0 -v -n -O -sV to my IP
21:30<debacle>and , if possible let me know !
21:31<_ZeuZ_>as any router, it's popping up all ports open...
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21:31<_ZeuZ_>I've been scanning port 5190 directly
21:32<debacle>Zeu
21:32*witte feels stupid as it is indeed irssi and not irsii
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21:32<Supaplex>Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) - http://irssi.org/
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21:32<Supaplex>;P
21:33<debacle>ZeuZ: and so ... what do you think ? can i consider my server troyanized or something ?
21:33<_ZeuZ_>debacle, I wouldn't... I would first reboot thje network services...
21:35<debacle>should i completely reboot the host or /etc/init.d/networking restart should be ok ?
21:35<_ZeuZ_>well, I'll say just reboot it, it should be enough but just in case...
21:36*_ZeuZ_ Goes to study
21:36<debacle>ZeuZ: ok ... reboot
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21:37<debacle>ZeuZ: if you 're going away ... just let me thank you at first
21:38<abrotman>too late!
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21:39<angelo>how do I put a symlink is fstab ?
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21:40<xid>angelo, not allowed
21:42<angelo>xid what do you mean not allowed ?
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21:42<xid>not permited
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21:42<angelo>xid .. I did it before and it worked... just forgot how I did it
21:43<xid>me too
21:43<angelo>oh wait a minute ... putting it in fstab is not nececairy right ,.. I mean is I just make the link it`ll still be there if I restart right ?
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22:44<client>hi, is irssi not included in the debian cd install?
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22:45<nevyn>client: probably not.
22:45<client>also, i have some drivers on a thumb drive that can only be formated to fat, anyway to getting that mounted in linux?
22:46<chealer>client: right
22:46<chealer>client: yes
22:47<client>chealer, how? it when i was trying i kept getting "unknown fule system:
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22:49<chealer>client: which Debian suite?
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22:49<client>ETCH
22:49<client>from the cd install
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23:13<fechado>test
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23:26<Jmd>Is anyone able to assist me with a problem I'm having with Anjuta, an IDE for GNOME? I know this is the Debian channel, but I can't find help anywhere else on this, and I am running Debian Lenny.
23:28<Supaplex>at least it's debian. now the mobs won't come out of the wood work and steal your techie gear.
23:28<gsimmons>Jmd: You may want to try asking in #anjuta on irc.gnome.org.
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23:29<Jmd>gsimmons: Nobody is on there, I'm currently there awaiting any response from the 4 occupants.
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23:29<Jmd>4 including myself...
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23:37<Alik>Gello
23:37<Alik>hello
23:38<Alik>i have Debian etch
23:39<Alik>lately i have strange problems with it, my server keeps being loaded with even glftpd and when it's over 10-15% load i get timeouts from eggdrops on the server, any ideas what i can do ?
23:40<Alik>i didnt rebooted the server for 207Days..
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23:43<xid>how such free swap are/is ?
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23:44<xid>Alik,
23:45<Alik>2459
23:45<Alik>used 128
23:46<xid>~ 90% swap is free
23:46<xid>?
23:46<Alik>yes
23:47<xid>ok
23:47<Alik>what else can i check
23:47<Alik>i dont want to reboot the box
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23:47<xid>ok
23:48<Alik>xid anything else i could check ?
23:48<xid>free ram too
23:49<Alik>18 of 1000
23:49<xid>ok
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23:50<Requiem>How much RAM would I need for a GUIless home server?
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23:50<xid>Requiem, 200 MB is ok
23:51<xid>even less
23:51<Requiem>I don't think I can get less than 256
23:51<xid>i use 192 here
23:51<Requiem>not for this board anyway
23:52<xid>I run PII @ 450 gnome
23:53<xid>full
23:53<Requiem>eh, I'll just get 512 and skip making a swap partition
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23:53<xid>no , dont skip swap
23:54<xid>Alik , i dunno, sry
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23:56<xid>Requiem, for the server use a old hardware, less noise
23:56<xid>my thought , sure
23:56<Requiem>It's being build fanless, except for the PSU, so its about as silent as it can get
23:56<xid>ok
23:57<Alik>xid: after apt-get update do i need to reboot (after kernel update)
23:57<xid>yes
23:58<rrm>why is that apt-get upgrades the kerner right out of the box with the same one?
23:58<xid>but not absolutelly
23:58<xid>Alik,
23:59<Alik>yea ?
23:59<xid>rrm because is a lettle upgrade
23:59<xid>Alik, yes
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