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---Logopened Wed Jun 11 00:00:43 2008
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00:00<rrm>little... what does it do? seems the same
00:01<xid>rrm , seems only but is a different
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00:02<xid>rrm, not to much but different
00:02<rrm>oh, ok
00:06<rrm>i did it anyway
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00:10<rrm>quite quiest here
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00:15<xid>rrm, e bine
00:16<rrm>hi xid
00:16<rrm>xid salut
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00:18<rrm>xid: where from?
00:19<rrm>xid: duh... oras?
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00:20<xid>rrm, tu din hunedoara ?
00:20<rrm>xid: timisoara, born... LA now
00:22<rrm>xid: following in vladut steps?
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00:23<xid>rrm, dunno vladut, sry
00:23<rrm>xid: u know the ebay hacker, was just a jk
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00:24<xid>rrm, its not my way
00:24<rrm>xid: just a jk... not my way either...
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00:39<dondelelcaro>if you drink more sake, you'll see the humor... ;-)
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01:20<chandu_>Which kernel has the support for "VIA VX800" chipset
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01:47<maxamillion>i upgraded from lenny to debian sid .... broke a couple things but i fixed them but now it doesn't detect if its on battery or not ... is there any way for me to fix it? maybe a parameter to stick in the grub menu.lst?
01:49<jm_>does acpitool -b show it properly?
01:50<maxamillion>jm_: i apparently don't have that installed ... just a monebt
01:52<maxamillion>jm_: not available
01:52<maxamillion>jm_: is there a kmod i might need to look into loading?
01:52<jm_>maxamillion: how about -B ?
01:52<maxamillion>jm_: no no ... Battery status : <not available>
01:53<jm_>maxamillion: maybe your kernel module isn't loaded then, 2.6.25?
01:53<maxamillion>jm_: yes
01:54<jm_>do you have battery module loaded?
01:55<jm_>do you see stuff in /sys/power?
01:55<maxamillion>nope, it wasn't loaded
01:55<maxamillion>i think i need to run tasksel and select laptop
01:55<jm_>ok try loading it and see what happens
01:55<maxamillion>still says the battery status isn't available
01:55<jm_>check dmesg output
01:56<maxamillion>jm_: i grep'd for battery and got: ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery present)
01:57<jm_>maxamillion: check files in /proc/acpi and /sys/power manually
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01:58<maxamillion>jm_: neither have an entry for the battery
01:58<jm_>maxamillion: battery module adds those files, are you sure it didn't report an error? run dmesg without grep
01:59<maxamillion>jm_: i ran dmesg without grep first, didn't see any errors
02:00<maxamillion>jm_: i'm running tasksel now to install the laptop stuff
02:00<jm_>maxamillion: that won't help
02:00<jm_>maxamillion: but you do have /proc/acpi and /sys/power, right?
02:01<maxamillion>jm_: yes
02:02<jm_>hmm the fact that kernel said battery present means it successfully added battery entry
02:02<jm_>try grep PROCFS_POWER /boot/config-$(uname -r)
02:03<jm_>or ACPI_PROCFS
02:03<maxamillion>procfs=y ... other is not configured
02:04<jm_>that doesn't make sense, are you sure you got it right?
02:05<maxamillion>jm_: lemme pastebin
02:05<jm_>maxamillion: btw, /proc/acpi/battery is apparently a directory
02:06<jm_>how idiotic, kernel config help text is full of word "folder"
02:06<maxamillion>jm_: i did an ls on /proc/acpi/ and battery wasn't listed
02:07<jm_>maxamillion: right, that kernel is not going to have it in /proc/acpi/battery, support is disabled, check /sys/power instead
02:07<maxamillion>adam@deeebian:/sys/power$ ls
02:07<maxamillion>disk image_size resume state
02:07<jm_>check the "state" one
02:08<maxamillion>standby mem disk
02:08<maxamillion>and state is a file
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02:10<jm_>it should be called BAT0 according to your kernel output
02:10<jm_>is CONFIG_ACPI_SYSFS_POWER enabled in the kernel?
02:10<maxamillion>jm_: nevermind, i figured it out ... i'm running sid on an eeepc and there was one of the strange eeepc acpi things i had to install that apparently got removed during the upgrade from lenny to sid
02:10<maxamillion>jm_: thank you for all your help :)
02:10<jm_>maxamillion: I was gonna ask if it's eeepc once I saw deeebian :)
02:11<jm_>maxamillion: which module was missing?
02:11<maxamillion>it was removed in the upgrade from lenny to sid ... not sure why though
02:11<jm_>hmm but that's only for special keys
02:13<maxamillion>its also for a lot to do with wireless and suspend and such
02:14<jm_>right one needs eeepc-linux
02:15<maxamillion>brb ... going to reboot and see what happens
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02:17<jm_>or maybe it only needs asus_acpi module
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02:19<maxamillion>jm_: yeah ... it didn't work
02:19<jm_>maxamillion: try loading asus_acpi module
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02:20<maxamillion>error no such module asus_acpi.ko
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02:22<tyi>hi all, i've accidentally deleted a file .. but I still have the .swp file that I was editing with vi earlier.
02:22<jm_>asus-laptop ?
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02:23<tyi>I thought I had recovered it
02:23<tyi>but when i edit it again, the text are mostly '@' or gibberish.
02:23<tyi>is there anyway i can recover the file I had rm?
02:25<dpkg>from memory, undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, see, With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin.
02:25<maxamillion>jm_: no :(
02:25<jm_>check that URL
02:25<jm_>maxamillion: hmm then I am mostly out of ideas, google suggests battery status works for people
02:25<jm_>maxamillion: do you have asus-laptop module?
02:26<maxamillion>jm_: nope
02:26<maxamillion>asus_acpi exists ... just not in the path modprobe was looking for
02:26<jm_>maxamillion: where is it?
02:26<maxamillion>jm_: /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686/kernel/drivers/acpi#
02:26<maxamillion>errrr... -#
02:26<jm_>maxamillion: it should look there
02:27<maxamillion>oh wait ... sorry, i'm a moron
02:27<jm_>it probably failed to load (but it found it)
02:27<maxamillion>FATAL: Error inserting asus_acpi (/lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/asus_acpi.ko): No such device
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02:28<jm_>maxamillion: can you try 2.6.24 kernel on it?
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02:28<maxamillion>jm_: oh, i needed eeepc_acpi
02:28<maxamillion>not asus_acpi
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02:29<maxamillion>battery status still not available through acpitool though
02:29<jm_>maxamillion: ahh that's a new one in 2.6.25, shame on me for still having .24 source
02:29<jm_>check /sys/power now
02:29<james_>can any1 tell me what i need to get something like limewire or better to work on ubuntu
02:29<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
02:29<maxamillion>jm_: still the same, i will check the other
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02:30<jm_>maxamillion: /proc/acpi/battery will not work with your 2.6.25 kernel
02:30<tyi>hmm thanks..
02:30<maxamillion>jm_: there is a directory called power_resource in /proc/acpi/ but its empty
02:32<maxamillion>jm_: i wonder where the hell xfce4's battery monitor is pulling info from
02:32<jm_>maxamillion: ahh that works?
02:32<maxamillion>jm_: sure does
02:32<jm_>maxamillion: strace it
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02:33<maxamillion>jm_: don't know how to strace a panel plugin
02:33<jm_>maxamillion: find its pid first
02:33<maxamillion>jm_: got it
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02:34<maxamillion>jm_: now what?
02:34<jm_>maxamillion: strace -p12345
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02:35<jm_>maybe strace -eopen -pfoo is enough
02:35<jm_>will spit out less info
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02:35<maxamillion>jm_: /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/
02:36<maxamillion>jm_: all sorts of stuff in that directory
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02:37<jm_>maxamillion: ahh yes, I don't know why I came up with /sys/power - kernel only says /sys power ;)
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02:37<jm_>would help if I had a system to check such stuff on though
02:37<maxamillion>the keyboard on this thing is something i am still getting used to
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02:37<maxamillion>701 4g surf == small keyboard
02:38<maxamillion>jm_: anywhoo ... any suggestions?
02:39<jm_>maxamillion: for what?
02:39<maxamillion>jm_: to get the battery check thingy at kernel boot time to work
02:39<jm_>maxamillion: ohh you mean it doesn't detect it's on battery at boot?
02:40<maxamillion>jm_: btw .... acpi -b gives battery info ... acpitool -b doesn't
02:40<maxamillion>jm_: bingo
02:42<maxamillion>jm_: and i just double checked to make sure that eeepc_acpi is in /etc/modules
02:42<jm_>maxamillion: what does it say?
02:42<maxamillion>jm_: nothing .. it just runs the standard fsck check, but the 2.6.24 kernel in lenny would say "on battery, skipping fsck"
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02:43<jm_>maxamillion: let me see
02:43<maxamillion>okies :)
02:43<jm_>run on_ac_power && echo battery || echo AC
02:44<maxamillion>well i'm plugged into the wall right now .... should i unplug first?
02:44<jm_>someone already noticed this :)
02:44<maxamillion>oh ... nice
02:45<jm_>should be trivial to fix
02:45<jm_>ahh it's even a shell script
02:45<maxamillion>jm_: returned AC
02:45<jm_>maxamillion: and if you unplug it?
02:46<jm_>yeah as expected, that script needs fixing
02:46<maxamillion>well ... i guess i should have checked the bug reports ... and if the devs know then i won't bother
02:46<maxamillion>its not *that* big of a deal to me
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02:47<maxamillion>jm_: thank you so much for all your help
02:47<jm_>maxamillion: add notice to that bug explaining how to fix it
02:48<maxamillion>i don't know how to fix it
02:49<jm_>well I guess it's not needed, bug submitter already explained it
02:50<jm_>but you could add a note this breaks AC detection with Debian 2.6.25 kernels since CONFIG_ACPI_PROCFS_POWER is now disabled
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02:55<maxamillion>jm_: submitted
02:55<maxamillion>jm_: thank you for all your help
02:55<maxamillion>i am off to bed, i have to be to work in 5 hours and need some sleep
02:55*maxamillion will await a bug fix :)
02:56<maxamillion>night all
02:56<maxamillion>thanks again jm_
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03:30<ss>is there a way to list/recover all the iptables rules (from mem/cache) if i had deleted the iptables rules file?
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04:04<buffoon_work>I got the following message: kernel: journal commit I/O error
04:04<buffoon_work>Does that mean that my hard disk is about to die?
04:05<jm_>is that all that it showed?
04:07<buffoon_work>yes, it was a broadcast message on every console...
04:09<Nemoder>does dmesg show timeout errors?
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04:10<buffoon_work>ah, now looking in syslog found some more stuff, i'll paste it... mom
04:12<jm_>that still doesn't show actual IO errors, look in dmesg
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04:13<hncatter>hallo catter hier
04:13<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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04:13<morphium>hey, i just did dist-upgrade, and it wanted to install: bash-completion dhcp3-server libcompress-raw-zlib-perl libcompress-zlib-perl libexpat1 libfont-afm-perl libhtml-format-perl libhtml-parser-perl
04:13<morphium> libhtml-tagset-perl libhtml-tree-perl libio-compress-base-perl libio-compress-zlib-perl libmailtools-perl liburi-perl libwww-perl
04:13<morphium> libxml-namespacesupport-perl libxml-parser-perl libxml-sax-expat-perl libxml-sax-perl libxml-simple-perl mtools perl-doc systemimager-server ucf
04:14<morphium>why? especially dhcp3-server is a problem for a lot of providers i think (if everyone is now installing it=
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04:17<buffoon_work>hmm, seems that it's a USB Stick making troubles
04:19<jm_>ahh that would explain why there's no IDE/libata errors
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04:35<hds>Hey - I'm trying to install tomcat5.5 on Debian4.0r3 but it just says - Starting Tomcat servlet engine: tomcat5.5invoke-rc.d: initscript tomcat5.5, action "start" failed. what is rung ?
04:35<hds>!win hds
04:35<dpkg>Congratulations, hds! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut!
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04:46<hds>Hey - I'm trying to install tomcat5.5 on Debian4.0r3 but it just says - Starting Tomcat servlet engine: tomcat5.5invoke-rc.d: initscript tomcat5.5, action "start" failed. what is rung ?
04:46<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
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04:50<jm_>also check BTS
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05:07<srdan>im looking for some help setting up a dhcp server on debian
05:08<srdan>anybody here??
05:08<the-dude>nobody's here
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05:10<petemc>srdan: ask a specific question, if you have one
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05:12<srdan>ok, I'm trying to set up a router/gateway box. It has three network interfaces, eth0 which faces the internet, eth1 which servers an apartment downstairs and eth2 which serves a small business
05:12<srdan>the problem I'm having is that the dhcpd doesn't assign addresses to the eth1 (downstairs) network
05:13<jm_>did you tell it to?
05:13<srdan>yes, i have set up the /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf file to assign
05:13<petemc>look in /etc/default/dhcp3-server
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05:14<petemc>check its listening on eth1
05:14<srdan>addresses based on which interface the requests come from. It assigns addresses to the eth2 interface fine
05:14<srdan>i have added added both eth1 and eth2 to the /etc/default/dhcp3server file
05:16<srdan>basically the idea is that any dhcp lease requests coming in on eht1 should get and ip address in the range and any dhcp requests coming in on eth2 should get assigned an ip address in the range -
05:16<srdan>how do I check if it's listening on eht1?
05:17<petemc>netstat -puant|grep dhcp
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05:19<srdan>oh crap, i just firewalled myself out of the machine
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05:20<Doris>does anyone have any knowledge on building deb packages from projects that employ ant ?
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05:21<srdan>nvm, thanks for the help petemc
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05:21<Atomdrache>Does anybody know what the path is to the kernel headers?
05:22<Atomdrache>dpkg-reconfigure is asking for it and I have been using this OS for about two days.
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05:22<Atomdrache>(I would expect /usr/src/include or something but I see something gross)
05:22<Atomdrache>(definitely not the /usr/src/linux it expects--that does not exist)
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05:23<Atomdrache>there is just a /usr/src/linux-overly_verbose_version_number.
05:25<Nemoder>Atomdrache: what kernel are you using?
05:25<jm_>install linux-headers package and list package contents
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05:27<Atomdrache>There are a mess of "linux-headers" package; not sure which to install.
05:27<jm_>linux-headers-$(uname -r)
05:27<jm_>and it's not a mess
05:28<jm_>any decent software will know where to find headers based on /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build link
05:28<Atomdrache>I am doing a dpkg-reconfigure wacom-kernel-source.
05:29<Nemoder>is kernel even in debian?
05:29<Atomdrache>It wants to know where the Linux kernel headers are, exactly, and I am not really quite sure where it wants me to point it.
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05:29<Atomdrache>I should presume it is, inasmuch as uname -a says so.
05:29<Atomdrache>this is a patched kernel.
05:29<Atomdrache>(a friend did this in an attempt to restore PS/2 functionality, which magically disappears when the OS boots)
05:30<Atomdrache>unsuccessful--but that is irrelevant
05:30<Atomdrache>and I will save that question for alter
05:30<Atomdrache>So maybe he messed with the version number. uname -r already returns a name which does not match any of the packages.
05:31<jm_>so you're not using a debian kernel
05:31<Nemoder>then as jm said, check your where your build link is in /lib/modules/
05:31<Atomdrache>Not sure what that means. New to this Unix flavor.
05:31<Nemoder>ls -l /lib/modules/ ?
05:32<themill>Doris: There are lots of examples in the archive. jabref for one example. Look for things that build-depend on ant.
05:32<jm_>how about ls -l /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/
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05:32<Atomdrache>There's a 2.6.18-6-powerpc/ and a something else.
05:32<Atomdrache>Do I use the former?
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05:33<Atomdrache>Or would that screw with something, since it is technically not that kernel anymore?
05:33<jm_>no you need to use matching headers
05:33<Atomdrache> /lib/modules, anyway.
05:33<jm_>run the command, paste the output on some paste site if you can't figure it out
05:34<themill> is not a debian kernel
05:34<Atomdrache>Haven't really got a way to paste it.
05:34<Atomdrache>Debian's on one machine, Firefox is on another, and this IRC client is on another still.
05:34<Atomdrache>Ah. I have a silly idea. One moment.
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05:35<beroual>hi all
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05:35<beroual>speak french here ?
05:35<dpkg>hmm... fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
05:36<Atomdrache>(thank you, scp)
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05:37<Atomdrache>Is that of much use?
05:38<beroual>chanel ubuntu fr ?
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05:39<Atomdrache>(I expect some amount of kernel tweaking, inasmuch as much kludging was necessary to get it to even boot on an RS/6000 b50)
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05:39<beroual>T___T !
05:40<tenzind>hi.. i have a fat partition mounted with "/dev/sda5 /media/space auto rw,user,noauto 0 0" in fstab. I have this problem where i cant change the owner of the file in that partition even as root. also rsync gives me "failed to set permission" while using this partition. What may I be doing wrong here ...
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05:41<torsten>hi, little question, i build an own debian paket using dpkg-deb, i include text files, this files are edited on an utf-8 system, if i install the debian paket on an old iso8859 system, so not all characters are displayed correctly, is there a debian way to transform those textfiles to the target computers encoding settings?
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05:46<jm_>Atomdrache: so you have it in /usr/src/linux-
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05:46<Atomdrache>I'll see if that works.
05:46<jm_>torsten: you can use iconv to convert it
05:46<themill>torsten: iconv
05:47<Atomdrache>Valid this time.
05:47<Atomdrache>Thank you.
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05:52<jm_>tenzind: fatfs has no concept of ownership
05:52<torsten>jm_ themill: can debian do iconv for me? how does other paket maintainers solve this problem?
05:52<tenzind>jm_: so whoever mounts it , owns it?
05:53<jm_>torsten: no, you have to do it - I don't know, I don't know if there are any other similar packages
05:53<jm_>tenzind: nope
05:53<jm_>torsten: to me it sounds like the app needs fixing
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05:54<tenzind>jm_: hmm...
05:54<themill>torsten: everything is moving to utf-8, that's how it's being handled. All apps, docs and locales are (should be) utf-8 by default now.
05:54<jm_>tenzind: man mount, see gid/uid/umask options for it
05:54<torsten>jm_: but if i make an iconv manually, then the files are incorrectly displayed on an utf system
05:55<jm_>torsten: that's why I said the app needs fixing :)
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05:55<torsten>jm_: its not the application itself but textfiles inside, for example help files in german language
05:56<jm_>torsten: yes it is - it could always be in utf8 and the app would convert it as needed
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05:57<torsten>jm_ themill: thank you for the help i will have a look at iconv
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05:57<jm_>torsten: or it could have a set of files and then pick the right ones, like apache can do
05:58<torsten>jm_ thats a good idea
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06:12<asfsgfsdg>does anybody know what port to use when connect ipv6 on the router.
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06:16<angelo>what is the advantage of ipv6 at this point for home use ?
06:17<aptituz>you can address your toaster and every dust particle
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06:20<tenzind>every dust particle?? wow!!
06:20<slaxz>and still have enough adress capacity for a second home :o
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06:22<angelo>but other then that BIG advantage .... there is no other at this moment ?
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06:22<Bon>Hi, sorry to be a bother, but gnash's ./configure isnt finding 'configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH' when i know i have apt-gotten gcc 4.1
06:23<Nemoder>It's just an elaborate scheme to make ip addresses harder to remember.
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06:23<Alam_Debian>Bon, try this; CC=gcc-4.1 ./configure
06:23<maxb>Bon: You should inspect the config.log file to try to figure out why it's failing
06:23<angelo>Ive seen yes .... but ipv6's only advantages is endless combinations ???
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06:25<Bon>It appears to be looking in usr/bin for gcc, but gcc by locate gcc is in usr/lib . the only gcc in usr/bin is gccmakedep..
06:25<jm_>then you don't have gcc installed
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06:26<Bon>you'd think apt-get install gcc-4.1 would you it.
06:27<Alam_Debian>I thought the main "gcc" package just make a synlink to a version of gcc, aka, gcc-#.#
06:27<jm_>!b-e bon
06:27<dpkg>bon: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
06:27<Bon>Thanks, ill try that
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06:29<Bon>aha, apparently thats what i was missing, thankyou jm_
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06:57<Bon>when ./configurng gnash it pops up with some errors, one of these i might be abole to correct by downloading the file directly, the other two are odd, one requests a package (and gives the apt-get line for it) except that lin already states i have it. also it requires swfc from swftools .. which i installed
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06:57<ohcibi|lappi>hi folks... i'm configuring my urxvt a bit.... when i write URxvt.perl-ext-common: tabbed in my ~/.Xdefaults the terminal isnt tabbed.... when i start it with urxvt -pe tabbed it works... what could be wrong? also i get an error that the perl-ext mark-urls isnt available although i didnt have a line which includes mark-urls in my .Xdefaults...
06:58<themill>Bon: any reason not to just use the debian package for it?
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06:58<Bon>no reason except i couldnt find it on apt-cache
06:59<themill>Bon: /msg dpkg
06:59<themill>Bon: You'll find version 0.8.2 for etch there.
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07:00<Bon>fair enough, hoefull itll save some brain ache
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07:00<themill>Bon: Indeed.
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07:03<Bon>Apparently i have unmet dependencies, so it is not going to be installed
07:04<rootkit_t>OMG!apt-spy Segmentation fault bug appear again!
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07:08<simmerz>is cryptlib in debian? I can't seem to find it.
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07:11<jm_>which cryptlib?
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07:12<simmerz>the one from
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07:20<Bon>Right, im trying to apt-get gnash from bckports. It says i need gnash-commons, so i go to get this so i can get gnash. commons states IT needs 'base-files (>= 4.0.1~)' ... except i HAVE this
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07:23<jm_>you obviously don't ;)
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07:23<Bon>base-files is already the newest version.0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
07:23<Nemoder>but what version is it?
07:24<Bon>apparently the 'newest version' available. not sure which numerical version
07:24<Nemoder>dpkg -l base-files
07:24<dpkg>No packages found matching base-files
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07:25<Bon>it is version 4
07:25<Bon>ii base-files 4 Debian base system miscellaneous files
07:26<Nemoder>and it said 4.0.1 or greater was required
07:26<Bon>which apparently doesnt exist as a cache search brings up the one i have already
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07:27<jm_>it sure exists on *backports*
07:27<Bon>I am on backports, which is where i got it from
07:27<jm_>nope you didn't
07:27<jm_>apt-cache policy base-files
07:28<Bon>Version table: // 4.0.1~bpo40+1 0
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07:29<jm_>seeing just that bit is useless (but no pasting here)
07:30<Bon>Mind if i /msg you the section i get?
07:30<jm_>yes, it's too much for msg
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07:32<Bon>base-files://Installed: 4//Candidate: 4//Version table:// 4.0.1~bpo40+1 0// 1 etch-backports/main Packages// *** 4 0// 500 cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20080217-12:35] etch/main Packages// 500 etch/main Packages// 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status with // being a newline
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07:36<jm_>see? that's why it's not installing it
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07:38<Bon>well, i dont see, otherwise i would have fixed it, sadly.
07:38<jm_>so you don't see the number 1?
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07:39<jm_>i.e. your pinning is screwed
07:41<Bon>.. i didnt know i was using pinning. I added the sources.list line directly from that reccomended to me from the dpkg bot here
07:42<jm_>ahh so they say to add to sources.list and use apt-get -t ?
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07:42<Bon>basically, just followed the instructions given when you ask dkpg about
07:42<Bon>without the w
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07:43<maxb>dpkg: paste
07:43<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
07:43<maxb>Bon: It's much easier to read stuff like this is you use a pastebin, rather than munging it all into one line
07:43<jm_>try installing it with -t then
07:43<jm_>there's pasteclient available which makes it easy
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07:44<DreamLnr>how du i look up a hostname of a pc on a network
07:44<jm_>man host
07:45<DreamLnr>one more q
07:46<DreamLnr>if i specify -j log on iptables
07:46<DreamLnr>where does the log reside?
07:46<Bon> Sorry about that
07:46<jm_>DreamLnr: where your syslog configuration tells it to go
07:47<jm_>DreamLnr: /var/log/syslog should have it
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07:49<DreamLnr>ok then one more q:)
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07:49<DreamLnr>can i make it send logts to other place than syslog?
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07:51<DreamLnr>and how could i do it?
07:53<jm_>ULOG target
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07:53<DreamLnr>ulog is in iptables command?
07:53<jm_>you can also have it clutter your console if you want :P
07:53<jm_>it's a target, much like LOG
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07:56<DreamLnr>ok thanks for info
07:56<DreamLnr>gotta go to work
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07:59<ali3n0>hi guys. is there a way to forbid filesystem browsing for a particular system user? something like chroot it into the home directory?
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08:01<taomaster>hello how would i upgrade to the new 5 version from 4.or3? without doin a new install?
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08:02<SlayerXP>taomaster: the new 5 version of _what_?
08:02<taomaster>debian i thought i saw it on distrowatch the other day
08:03<taomaster>did not what to upload all thou dvd images
08:04<themill>taomaster: when lenny releases, you will be able to upgrade to it from etch without a full reinstall, yes.
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08:04<SlayerXP>taomaster: there's no such thing as debian 5. there's almost no reason to download the full DVDs
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08:06<taomaster>thanks for the info
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08:12<Bushmills>ali3n0: no browsing means also, no execution of programs (as those are invisible to user)... yes. you can do that: lock the account - there is no reason to log in when files are not visible, and can't be executed.
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08:13<ali3n0>Bushmills: I just need few tools, like cp , vi, mv, chmod, nothing more
08:13<Bushmills>ali3n0: there is restricted shell, but the lockin is not very safe
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08:15<Bushmills>ali3n0: but cp is useless too. after all, source files can't be accessed, as you want to disable file system scanning.
08:16<ali3n0>Bushmills: I see your point
08:16<Bushmills>ali3n0: if you want to restrict access to date not meant for user ... chmod ...
08:17<E0x>!ask E0x
08:17<Bushmills>makes no sense to restrict access to directories with contents which are freely available anyway
08:17<Bushmills>(such as .. linux systems ..)
08:17<ali3n0>Bushmills: yeah I think my box is pretty sealed about permissions, just curious about what's the best choice to give access to a user
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08:18<Bushmills>ali3n0: don't give shell access
08:18<ali3n0>Bushmills: I mean, by now there are only 2 admins allowed to access through ssh
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08:18<Bon>I want to install gnash, but it says it requires gnash commons, which in turn requires 'base files >=4.0.1' . except i think i have that ' ' Can anyone tell me why it isnt accepting the file, and/or fix please?
08:18<Bushmills>consider a box with shell access potentially compromised
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08:21<themill>Bon: can you also pastebin the output of your aptitude/apt-get run where you tried to install it, including the command.
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08:25<Bon>that acceptable themill?
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08:26<themill>Bon: what happens if you aptitude install -t etch-backports gnash
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08:27<themill>Bon: you can also hint that it should install the specific version of base-files if you need (aptitude install base-files=4.0.1~bpo40+1) but it's always better to let apt work things out for itself.
08:27<Bon>ooh, that appears to have worked
08:28<Bon>i shall have to remember that command
08:28<jm_>it would help if you listened: 13:43:41 <jm_> try installing it with -t then
08:29<Bon>i tried it with -t, i just could find the needed command
08:34<themill>Bon: looks good :)
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08:35<Bon>i didi get it working previously, but while trying to get deb to recognise my sapphire radeon x1550, i rendered the install unusable, then i just couldnt get it to work witht he fresh install
08:36<screenn>how to scanning images in debian?
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09:14<dishwasher>what's the right way to define system wide proxy server environment variables?
09:14<catlee>good morning
09:14<dishwasher>i.e. which file should i define them in and how?
09:14<jm_>dishwasher: probably via /etc/environment
09:15<catlee>Is linux 2.6.24 or greater going to be the official kernel for lenny?
09:15<dishwasher>catlee, yes
09:15<catlee>dishwasher, thanks
09:15<catlee>should RC bugs be filed against packages that won't work with that kernel?
09:16<dishwasher>catlee, can't tell you that, sorry
09:16<dishwasher>hopefully someone else can+
09:17<jm_>catlee: which package?
09:17<catlee>jm_, dvgrab
09:18<jm_>catlee: I suppose it makes sense yes
09:19<dishwasher>jm_, thanks for your response to my earlier question on how to define proxy environment settings system wide. This is what I have:
09:20<dishwasher>with both /etc/environment and /etc/environment2, after booting, I have this:
09:20<dishwasher>$ echo $http_proxy
09:21<dishwasher>that's both as root and as ordinary users
09:21<dishwasher>it only works when I explicitly _source_ those files
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09:23<dishwasher>Is /etc/environment just 'parsed' as a configuration file would be (in contrary to being source'd) and thus the variable replacement does not work? is it because of a limited shell at that time?
09:24<jm_>dishwasher: it's used by pam_env module
09:24<jm_>dishwasher: so yes, you can't do what you are doing
09:24<dishwasher>i.e. variables do not work?
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09:25<dishwasher>thank you :)
09:26<dishwasher>is there a man page to that? man 7 pam doesn't have it
09:26<dishwasher>ah :)
09:26<jm_>you have pam docs package
09:27<jm_>(Possibly non-existent) environment variables may be used in values using the ${string} syntax and (possibly non-existent) PAM_ITEMs may be used in values using the @{string} syntax.
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09:27<jm_>so you can use it that way
09:28<dishwasher>praise to you saviour
09:29<dishwasher>i'll have to reboot to make sure this orks...
09:29<dishwasher>works even.
09:29<jm_>no reboot needed
09:29<jm_>just relogin
09:29<jm_>but I have to run now
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09:29<dishwasher>and me
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09:43<petyr>Здравейте, Българи има ли?
09:43<petyr>явно не..
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10:13<giorgio>ci siete
10:14<dpkg>it has been said that #debian-it is Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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10:16*Skrat waves
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10:29<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:32<screenn>I use xsane for scanning, but it's can't running from user, running from root only, what's wrong?
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10:35<screenn>maybe somebody know another way for scanning without root privileges
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10:38<dpkg>from memory, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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10:42<tiago>hey there
10:42<tiago>can anyone help me? I'm having problems with an update
10:43<witte>tiago: not unless you tell what your real problem is
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10:43<tiago>ok then
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10:43<tiago>the thing is, I've updated my packages through apt-get upgrade
10:43<screenn>what default permissions in the /dev/ directory?
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10:44<themill>screenn: are you in the "scanner" group?
10:45<tiago>and when I logged back everything seemed bigger. I thought that it had been a problem with the xorg update so I checked the resolution and everything was fine
10:45<witte>screenn: i seem to have a bunch of "crw-rw---- 1 root root" things
10:45<tiago>another thing is that compiz is also not working, and I have direct rendering and the proper lines in xorg.cong
10:45<screenn>I have changed permissions for all devices, mistake :(
10:46<screenn>now, I need turn that :)
10:46<witte>tiago: what things seem bigger, and did your update succeed? do you have any errors?
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10:47<witte>tiago: you could also have a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see for warnings (WW) and errors (EE)
10:47<screenn>somebody show me your listing with permissions in the /dev/*
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10:48<screenn>example of ls -la for something in the dev,
10:48<tiago>witte, fonts, icons, everything. No errors were displayed. It seems like when you switch from 1024x780 to 800x600 but the thing is that I'm already at the maximum resolution
10:48<tiago>I'll take a look at /var/log
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10:48<screenn>witte are you sure about that crw-rw---- ?
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10:49<witte>tiago: can you upload your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file to a pastebin
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10:51<witte>screenn: : I am not sure about the /dev/ directory, how things end up there, and how to change them
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10:53<screenn>I think, I have made very bad mistake
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10:54<witte>tiago: there are a bunch of warnings, but only a keyboard error (which shoudl be unrelated)
10:54<screenn>anyway I have changed to crw-rw---- and tell you or can't tell if all will be fine
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10:54<tiago>yes, I noticed that...
10:55<witte>tiago: that is a lenny installation?
10:55<witte>did you use the fglrx drivers, or the plain radeon drivers before?
10:55<k1lumin4t1>is there any way on getting ATI open source drivers to give 3D accel?
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10:56<witte>k1lumin4t1: man radeon
10:56<tiago>I'm using the drivers for the mobility radeon 9200, so no fglrx :P
10:56<gsimmons>!tell k1lumin4t1 -about radeon
10:56<tiago>but I can try to remove the package and see if it's installed
10:57<witte>tiago: no, i just wondered if the problem was that you originally used the non open ati drivers before the update made you use the open source drivers
10:58<witte>tiago: maybe try a dist-upgrade instead of an upgrade, could be there are some packages withheld?
10:59<tiago>just did the dist-upgrade, nothing so far
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11:00<Bon>Wierd, azureus keeps dropping connection
11:00<hever>"Note that using -l in an environment which changes the GMT offset (such as for BST or DST) can lead to unpredictable results!" Sorry, what is BST or DST ?
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11:03<hever>Its from apaches rotatelogs manpage
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11:03<seanius>tiago: in case it is relevant for you, compiz is currently broken in lenny
11:04<witte>hever: british standard time?
11:04<tiago>damn it!!
11:04<seanius>tiago: you can pull the packages in from unstable, or wait a few days (probably 4-7 i would guess) for the changes to migrate
11:04<tiago>witte: british standart time=GMT=16:04
11:05<hever>tiago, ok bst is gmt... and dst ?
11:06<vlad>hey witte, remember I've been here before about the issue with my hdd ? I lost the second command... fdisk -l I remember, but what was the next one ?
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11:06<tiago>hever, all I know is that london has the same time as lisbon, GMT
11:07<tiago>BST=british summer time
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11:09<witte>tiago: ah, indeed :-), it was just a guess
11:09<witte>vlad: what was the problem again?
11:09<hever>Why not bangladesh standard time ;)
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11:10<hever>tiago, aah an DST is daylight saving time. (I read this in the bangladesh article :))
11:10<witte>hever: and DST clearly is Data Storage System
11:10<tiago>hever, bangladesh is not covered by BST :P
11:10<witte>hever: ok, that explanation could also be valid :-)
11:11<tiago>witte:lol xDD
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11:12<hever>ok there should be an essay about times in this manpage to understand it :)
11:13<witte>hever: you can file a bug report with a patch (wishlist severity ;-))
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11:15<vlad>witte: extern hdd, formatted as ext2/3, lots of information... been using a driver on windows to view it, suddenly it says it's fat32 and 500gb free.
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11:15<witte>vlad: right, now i remember :-)
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11:15<vlad>but cant change my nick :\
11:15<witte>vlad: what was the output of fdisk -l on that device
11:16<witte>vlad: paste it in a pastebin
11:16<vlad>roger that
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11:17<vlad>I plug it in and it just opens, like nothing ever happened
11:17<witte>vlad: check it anyhow
11:17<gsf>when i aptitude upgrade and aptitude safe-upgrade i suddenly get a large number of "Depends: <package> but it is not installable" where <package> is a number of packages I already have installed
11:17<gsf>i'm on testing
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11:17<witte>vlad: and just to be sure, backup the most important stuff
11:18<gsf>i've tried pointing at different apt sources, but no luck
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11:18<gsf>and when i say "a large number" i mean pages of output
11:19<vlad>witte: well, pretty much everything is important there, that's why I kept it on the external drive
11:19<gsf>anyone else seen this behavior?
11:19<themill>gsf: tried full-upgrade not safe-upgrade?
11:19<witte>gsimmons: can't say i do, but i only use upgrade and dist-upgrade, never safe-upgrade
11:20<themill>witte: update == safe-upgrade
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11:20<tiago>seanius, could you give me the sources.list line for compiz? can't seem to find it...
11:20<themill>witte: gah upgrade == safe-upgrade
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11:20<witte>themill: ah, i suspected as much, but wasn't sure
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11:21<k1lumin4t1>vlad, try running "testdisk" on that device
11:21<gsf>themill: same output, then asks if i want to remove a huge number of packages (including the likes of xserver-xorg and alsa-base) and install a large number of other packages (including make and xfonts-utils) and leave a number of dependencies unresolved
11:21<vlad>k1lumin4t1: roger that
11:21<witte>vlad: so it is still fat, not ext as it was before? i would be very cautios with the information on that drive
11:21<vlad>witte: :O
11:21<themill>gsf: most odd. Any pins or holds?
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11:21<vlad>witte: why cautious?
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11:22<gsf>themill: don't think so -- is there an easy way to check for pins or holds?
11:22<witte>vlad: something changed your filesystem from EXT2/3 to FAT
11:22<gsimmons>vlad: The partition ID of your external HDD (/dev/sda1) is set to 0c ("W95 FAT32 (LBA)"). What does `file -s /dev/sda1' return?
11:22<witte>vlad: I would not call that normal
11:22<vlad>witte: indeed
11:23<vlad>gsimmons: /dev/sda1: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery) (errors) (large files)
11:23<k1lumin4t1>then just fsck it
11:23<gsimmons>vlad: Yeah, wrong partition ID. You'd want to change that.
11:23<vlad>how to do that ?
11:23<gsimmons>vlad: man fdisk
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11:24<vlad>gsimmons: gives me shivers lol. if I screw up I'll lose so much :D
11:24<witte>vlad: or instead of fdisk, you could use cfdisk (which i find easier to use)
11:24<gsf>themill: yeah, apt has definitely lost contact with the reality of my system -- it says python2.5 is not installed, though it is
11:24<gsf>themill: "dpkg -l" seems to be in sync still, showing it as installed
11:25<vlad>witte: whatever works I guess. what's more userfriendly?
11:25<witte>vlad: cfdisk is
11:25<witte>vlad: it is just a frontend for fdisk
11:25<witte>vlad: be sure to umount the drive before doing stuff
11:25<themill>gsf: you might like to use the apt-get dselect-upgrade ... that might sort out your apt setup.
11:26<vlad>witte: lol, good idea
11:26<vlad>witte: but I dont see my drive there
11:26<Burner>vlad, if you have enough space on another drive to make an image, then make the image of the entire partition first, and work your magic with the image, not the original disk
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11:27<vlad>Burner: I only have like 90gb free, and my hdd takes up around 200gb
11:27<vlad>so dont think that'll work
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11:28<Burner>vlad, well, thats a problem, if it really is importent data, then go buy a new drive before you do anything else
11:28<gsf>themill: "apt-get dselect-upgrade" hits unmet dependencies. with -f it shows a large number of packages to be installed, many of which (such as apache2-mpm-prefork) i know to be on my system.
11:29<tiago>can anyone get me the repo for compiz-fusion for unstable
11:29<vlad>Burner: I'm an extremist :D
11:29<themill>gsf: bummer. but at least it sounds like it will fix things up for you...
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11:29<themill>dpkg: safe-upgrade is the new name for "upgrade" in aptitude from lenny onwards. Running aptitude safe-upgrade won't install new packages but that means you might miss security updates that install new packages. Ask me about <full-upgrade> <apt-listchanges>
11:29<dpkg>themill: okay
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11:30<Burner>well, fsck will most likely mess up your data even more
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11:31<witte>Burner: you do not have to scare him, fdisk might do everything without any problem :-)
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11:31<gsf>themill: possibly, though i'm afraid there will still be packages i've installed that it doesn't know about.
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11:32<themill>gsf: if dpkg's list is good then you're ok.
11:32<vlad>witte: I dont see my drive in there though :O
11:33<gsf>themill: is there a way to re-sync apt with dpkg's list?
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11:33<themill>gsf: that's what dselect-upgrade does
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11:33<witte>vlad: cfdisk /dev/sda
11:33<gsf>themill: ah, hmm
11:35<Burner>witte, sure thing, but i recommend backups out of caution, its no fun loosing important data
11:35<witte>Burner: you are absolutely right
11:35<gsf>themill: i was hoping to do it without pulling 309M from the archives
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11:37<themill>gsf: ahh.... I see. Not that I know of.
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11:40<screenn>witte seems all is ok, after reboot crw-rw---- is right
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11:41<screenn>witte how you think about xsane, why it's need the root privileges?
11:41<witte>screenn: /dev is not the place to test your permissions skills ;-)
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11:42<themill>It's a good place to test your unbreaking skills though...
11:42<seanius>tiago: if you don't want to upgrade your whole system, it's slightly tricky
11:42<witte>screenn: don't know, it is just that you need to have permission to access the hardware?
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11:42<themill>screenn: are you in the "scanner" group?
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11:44<screenn>themill oh, you think, need I add user to the scanner group?
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11:45<themill>screenn: I believe so but I'm not sure. Have a look at the permissions on the actual scanner device in /dev.
11:45<themill>screenn: Also, what kernel are you using? (uname -r)
11:45<Bon>Does anyone know why my Xbox 360 can not find a connection through my debian PC?
11:45<screenn>I can change permissions, but I must be in the scanner group, isn't it?
11:45<witte>screenn: probably such a thing would be mentioned in /usr/share/doc/xsane/README.Debian
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11:47<screenn>I thought about change owner parameters for my scanner device
11:47<witte>screenn: it seems reasonable that in order to use the scanner, you need to be in the right group, but you shouldn't change permissions, and yes the "scanner" group sounds reasonable as well, but it could be "sane" or "xsane" too
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11:47<themill>istr a "sane" group, but I don't have a scanner to test this out....
11:48<weasel>it's probably scanner
11:48<screenn>witte do you mean chown root:sane command?
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11:48<witte>screenn: first make sure which group it has to be, and no, i don't mean that
11:49<screenn>probably scanner I know
11:49<screenn>now, I'm searching
11:49<witte>screenn: i mean if the scanner device has permissions "root:sane", add yourself to the sane group (change sane with scanner/xsane/whatever)
11:50<hds>Hey - I'm trying to install tomcat5.5 on Debian4.0r3 but it just says - Starting Tomcat servlet engine: tomcat5.5invoke-rc.d: initscript tomcat5.5, action "start" failed. what is rung ?
11:51<screenn>do you remember right syntax for that, "useradd user"?
11:51<screenn>I mean adding myself to the sane group
11:51<hds>Im installing over apt-get
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11:52<themill>screenn: it's adduser not useradd; man adduser; adduser user group
11:52<themill>screenn: but which group are you going to add yourself to? Have you checked that first?
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11:54<Skiver>hello i have a very annoying problem with my fstab.
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11:54<screenn>I haven't checked I'm checking now, wait
11:54<Skiver>is one line of code allowed here ?
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11:55<screenn>can't find that in passwd
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11:56<witte>screenn: i get a scanner group and a saned group when i install xsane, so probably it is indeed scanner
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11:58<screenn>oh, I find scanner group in my group file
11:59<Bon>I have connected my Xbox 360 to my PC via ethernet cable. Except the xbox wont share the connection. Is this an Xbox problem, or is it somethign i have to adjust PC end?
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12:00<witte>Bon: you need to configure the pc to act as a gateway/bridge
12:00<Bon>ah right, ill try find out how via googlefu
12:00<screenn>ok, I have changed device parameters, now I'm adding myself to the scanner group
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12:01<screenn>I thought useradd and adduser same commands,
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12:06<hever>Do you know some errors with apache rotatelogs and debian etch? For me it can't create filenames with my local time (germany) it creates everytime UTC filenames. I used the -l flag and a time offset. I also tried %X instead of %h but what ever I try the filenames get UTC.
12:06<hever>There is no file size set.
12:07<screenn>hm, it's not working, something wrong
12:07<Bon>witte, IS this going to take more than some clicks and maybe a line or two in terminal? Just so i know basically, what to look for
12:07<themill>Bon: the ipmasq package is a good start for you
12:08<themill>dpkg: ipmasq
12:08<dpkg>If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at
12:08<witte>Bon: the thing themill said, i could not find the name :-)
12:08<screenn>it's good working from root, but work from root is imposible
12:09<Bon>basically, all i want is to allow xbox 360 to access live. Maybe some file sharing later, but jus live for now
12:09<themill>Bon: even filesharing later on can be done quite nicely with the ipmasq package.
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12:10<gsf>themill: i just realized something interesting -- see
12:10<Bon>thanks both of you. I alwasy think doing stuff in linux should be incredibly hard for some reason. then bam 'oh no, dont worry about it newb, just type 'this line' and hey presto'..
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12:11<themill>gsf: yes.... I'm not sure of the significance of what you're showing me. That's just the packages files that tell apt what is available on the mirrors.
12:11<gsf>themill: the problem is my machine is amd64
12:11<themill>Bon: :)
12:11<themill>gsf: ahh... that's a bit different.
12:11<gsf>themill: i was setting up a scratchbox for my n770 the other day -- i'm guessing it affected things somehow
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12:12<gsf>themill: any idea where apt gets platform info from?
12:12<themill>gsf: dpkg-architecture shows you what it things is going on
12:13<gsf>themill: dpkg-architecture shows amd64
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12:19<Bon>Odd, i installed ipmasq, but my xbox still isnt seeing a connection available
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12:21<themill>Bon: you still need to actually tell the two sides to talk to each other, probably by running a dhcp server on the box running ipmasq.
12:21<witte>Bon: so you need to set up the ip address of the xbox side device
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12:22<Bon>I thought i had, by changing the conctions TO dhcp and making them available
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12:23<themill>Bon: but do you have a dhcp server anywhere on this network? (And you do have a cross-over cable, don't you)
12:23<gsf>themill: fixed! at some point during the scratchbox build i put Architecture: armel in the system /etc/apt/apt.conf rather than the scratchbox one
12:24<gsf>themill: pretty dumb of me
12:24<gsf>themill: removed it and all is fixed now
12:24<Bon>Basically, theres fresh install of debian 2.6, theres my xbox 360 attached to PC via RJ45 cable, and theres the modem, plugged inot my PC via USB.
12:24<themill>gsf: ahh. that'll do it to you. You perhaps want to try such things in a chroot... investigate things like cowdancer even
12:24<gsf>themill: thanks for the help
12:24<gsf>themill: will do
12:24<themill>no worries
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12:25<screenn>witte themill have you any ideas about xsane?
12:26<witte>screenn: no, don't have a scanner myself, never used it
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12:26<themill>screenn: did you log out and then log back in after adding yourself to the scanner group?
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12:32<screenn>themill didn't, you think I need? :)
12:33<themill>group changes don't take effect until you log out and log back in
12:33<screenn>themill are you sure about that?
12:34<screenn>right, I believe you
12:34<themill>how sweet.
12:34<screenn>I be back
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12:38<christian>BOA TARDE!!!!
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12:39<screenn>fxiny you right :)
12:39<fxiny>screenn: :)
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13:03<screenn>not now, not now, screen have a very big manual
13:04<screenn>oh, it's working now very well
13:04<dpkg>[screen] allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or or at or aptitude install screen
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13:05<screenn>witte it's working now
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13:23<reza>I have a problem with apt-get
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13:24<reza>If i install anythings it reply : Package java-package is not available, but is referred to by another package.
13:24<reza>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
13:24<reza>is only available from another source
13:24<reza>E: Package java-package has no installation candidate
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13:25<fxiny>add contrib
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13:26<fxiny>reza: add contrib to your sources.list
13:26<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>.
13:26<witte>!install java
13:26<dpkg>Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>.
13:27<reza>fxiny: What do u mean ?
13:27<Raveforever>Hi, guys!
13:27<reza>add contrib?
13:27<reza>etch or sarge your mean ?
13:27<dpkg>well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free>
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13:27<fxiny>reza: java-package is in contrib > etch main contrib non-free
13:28<Raveforever>what is new in rc3 release?
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13:29<witte>Raveforever: rc? you mean r3 (it is a release, not a release candidate)
13:29<fxiny>like firebus :P
13:29<witte>Raveforever: just mainly security bug fixes
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13:30<witte>Raveforever: of you have an old disk lying around, you can just install that, add security to the sources.list file, and update and dist-upgrade
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13:31<Raveforever>And what about SATA DVD drives support
13:31<reza>fxiny : Why there is package name in list but can access it for installation ?
13:31<reza>*but can't
13:32<fxiny>reza: apt-cache policy java-package > Installed: 0.28 > 500 etch/contrib Packages
13:32<witte>Raveforever: nothing new between the first debian etch release and the r3, but if you have problems,you should check the kmuto (/msg dpkg kmuto) or etchnhalf (/msg dpkg etchnhalf) iso'
13:32<Raveforever>I have no Debian installed for this moment, but I had troubles with installing from SATA
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13:33<fxiny>reza: add contrib and apt-get update
13:33<witte>reza: do you need java-package, the sun java stuff is in debian
13:33<Raveforever>Thanks, witte
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13:33<reza>witte: I can't install them
13:34<witte>reza: you will need to have contrib and non-free as well
13:34<ccg->i have two boxes with wlan cards, how to set up a network between them ?
13:34<reza>my sources.list is conatin:
13:34<witte>reza: dont paste here
13:34<witte>reza: upload it to a pastebin
13:34<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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13:37<Raveforever>Well, I'll try to install debian from usb flash card
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13:40<reza>my sources.list is contain
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13:40<reza>Are they ok ?
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13:40<witte>reza: yes, they seem fine
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13:41<witte>reza: aptitude update && aptitude install sun-java5-jre
13:41<fxiny>a double main line
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13:42<Raveforever>And how about 3d desktop in debian?
13:43<Burner>Raveforever, do u mean like compiz?
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13:43<Raveforever>Yes, I do!
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13:44<Raveforever>I know, that I should first install proprietary driver and then think about compiz
13:44<Burner>Raveforever, i didnt try to install that on debian for a long time, ubuntu install it by default
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13:45<fxiny>all cats are gray and all 3d are 2d :P
13:45<dpkg>[compiz] a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at
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13:47<Raveforever>Bye guys, good luck! I need go!
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13:52<reza>fxiny: Please look at
13:53<reza>I think there is a problem in package manager
13:54<themill>reza: do you not have non-free in your sources.list?
13:54<fxiny>reza: comment out >>> "#"deb etch main then reload : apt-get update
13:56<reza>fxiny: it wasn't comment
13:56<reza>it's enable
13:56<fxiny>reza: i've seen before you are using de . just leave that one . security and src
13:56<themill>reza: just run apt-get update
13:56<fxiny>reza: i mean : you have two lines
13:56<themill>fxiny: that's not a problem though
13:56<fxiny>themill: maybe is ignoring de
13:57<reza>let me to check
13:57<themill>fxiny: my guess is just that apt-get update hasn't been run since adding non-free
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13:57<fxiny>themill: i told him to run it
13:57<themill>fxiny: having multiple mirrors is quite fine. Apt is smart enough to handle it.
13:58<reza>fxiny : I comment first line and ran apt-get update
13:58<themill>fxiny: in fact if you have a couple of flaky mirrors that you use (like the .au mirrors... there's usually one of the two down..), it's a good plan
13:58<fxiny>themill: does it use the first line comning ?
13:58<fxiny>reza: did you update as i told you ?
13:59<themill>fxiny: not sure. But if the package is available from any source, it will find it.
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13:59<fxiny>so my guess is apt use ch and ignores de
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13:59<reza>Do u have valid source list?
13:59<fxiny>reza: comment out ch
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14:00<fxiny>reza: then let us know if apt gets java-package from de > 500 etch/contrib Packages
14:01<fxiny>reza: don't forget to apt-get update again
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14:02<reza>fxiny: look at plz
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14:03<fxiny>you said java-package
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14:03<fxiny>reza: jdk is > 500 etch/non-free Packages
14:05<reza>oh, sorry
14:05<reza>let me to check
14:05<reza>W: Failed to fetch 404 Not Found
14:06<reza>Can u paste you sources list?
14:06<fxiny>deb etch main contrib non-free
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14:08<reza>I added above source and ran apt-get update
14:08<reza>after that
14:08<reza> apt-get -s install sun-java5-jdk
14:08<reza>Package sun-java5-jdk is not available, but is referred to by another package
14:09<fxiny>apt-get update
14:09<reza>E: Package sun-java5-jdk has no installation candidate
14:09<reza>I ran it
14:09<reza>any idea?
14:10<fxiny>reza: pastev again your sources
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14:11<reza>plz look at
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14:13<fxiny>still you have two lines
14:13<amphi>'weird' ;)
14:13<fxiny>but that is not a problem
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14:13<fxiny>wei ?
14:14<amphi>fxiny: yes; an oddity, like 'leisure'
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14:14<amphi>or seize
14:14<fxiny>amphi: yes yes :)
14:15<amphi>'wierd' just looks too weird
14:15<fxiny>it is :)
14:16<reza>fxiny: I can't understand what is the problem ?
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14:17<fxiny>amphi: i'm watching some wierdness about stonhenge , i can hear the gods laughing at me behind the stones ;)
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14:17<simonrvn>wierd does look weird
14:17<fxiny>reza: i can't understand it either : same line i use but no jdk avaiable to you
14:18<amphi>ah, Stonehenge - up there with the Giza pyramids, for the amount of absolute bollocks talked/written about it
14:18<fxiny>yes yes
14:19<reza>I think my apt-get system have problem
14:19<valdyn>reza: or you just didnt run apt-get update
14:19<fxiny>amphi: wierdenstein reptilians are busy bullshitting in Rome so i watch the latest stonehenge documentary
14:19<reza>I run apt-get update
14:20<amphi>fxiny: I'm afraid I lack reptilian awareness, or at least so someone memorably informed me once
14:20<benjamindees>Does anyone know, when the installer asks you to verify whether your system time is set to UTC or to local time, is that time value shown in 24-hr format or with AM/PM ?
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14:21<valdyn>benjamindees: how is that relevant?
14:21<amphi>benjamindees: I don't recall - why does it matter?
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14:21<benjamindees>because if it's 24-hr format it should probably make it clear
14:21<valdyn>benjamindees: you are utc+-12 ? umm
14:21<Guest102>im looking some way to give load balance support, conection or destination based, NOT PACKET, to my debian... any help?
14:21<benjamindees>valdyn, that too
14:22<fxiny>amphi: reptilians as in David Ike "a lie is a lie mine is funny"
14:22<valdyn>benjamindees: i think its probably 24 hours format, but i wouldnt know
14:22<amphi>benjamindees: most people use 24hr time
14:23<amphi>fxiny: poor David Icke, he must have seen "They Live" and thought it a dcumentary
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14:23<LSAd>im looking some way to give load balance support, conection or destination based, NOT PACKET, to my debian... any help?
14:23<benjamindees>amphi, is that the standard in some large country that I'm not aware of?
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14:24<benjamindees>LSAd, have you tried shorewall?
14:24<valdyn>LSAd: look at the heartbeat package
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14:24<valdyn>LSAd: ops nm, you want something else..
14:25<benjamindees>I seem to recall the shorewall docs saying something like that, but I wasn't paying close attention.
14:25<valdyn>LSAd: i know its in too
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14:25<LSAd>valdyn: yes, i have readed that... but lartc does not provide load balance conection or dest based
14:26<valdyn>LSAd: what else would it provide? you cant load balance by packet, it cant work
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14:27<LSAd>valdyn: by packet, all session systems, MSN, VPN, etc, reset connection
14:27<ChillyWater>Fedora sux
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14:27<valdyn>LSAd: you cannot load balance by packet, it cant work, period
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14:27<LSAd>valdyn: so i need conection or destination based load balance
14:27<valdyn>LSAd: by connection also doesnt work for alot of applications
14:28<LSAd>valdyn: u recommend a cisco box? ha
14:29<valdyn>LSAd: i meant that it cannot work, not that linux cant do it, but thats implied naturally
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14:29<fxiny>amphi: i keep Ike rept-speech in the same dvd with "sun-tan" Maurice Cottrell and , to fill a gap , the famous ogg/theora with a romantic RMS : "Lucy ? hmmm hmmm":P
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14:33<fxiny>ChillyWater: sux ? fetora stinks ;)
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14:41<flush>anyone know how i can list a directory with "scp"
14:43<fxiny>to send a dir ? scp -pr dir
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14:43<flush>no to list a dir i want know what is on server
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14:44<xid>flush, is your server ?
14:44<ansgar>flush: Depending on the shell tou are using you might use tab completion.
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14:44<ansgar>flush: I don't think scp itself offers a way to list directories.
14:45<ansgar>flush: If that is what you want to do, you could take a look at sftp (ftp over ssh).
14:46<flush>i want to know how to spell the directory i want to upload something
14:46<flush>with permissen from owner
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14:47<flush>dont worry about that :)
14:47<zined>anyone able to reach
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14:48<flush>good point with tab ansgar
14:48<flush>i can zined from vienna
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14:49<flush>thank you!
14:55<wired>You could ftp over telnet server no?
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15:01<flush>no only scp
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15:05<screenn>I have a troubles with bonobo-activation-server, it's consume all resources of my cpu
15:05<fxiny>flush: what about rsync ?
15:06<fxiny>rsync -e ssh -a box:/home/user/dir
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15:08<screenn>that's a process "/usr/lib/bonobo-activation/bonobo-activation-server --ac=activate --ior-output-fd=16"
15:08<screenn>what's that?
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15:10<argonel>are keys created before 2006 supposed to be affected by the fix for CVE-2008-0166?
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15:11<betamatteo>ciao, posso fare una domanda su DSL?
15:11<dpkg>#debian-it is probably Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
15:12<witte>argonel: in princible those keys should be safe, but i do not know what the newer ssl packages do with them...
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15:14<argonel>dowkd says my keys aren't week, but since updating i can't enter the passphrase for the keys
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15:15<dpkg>Due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also now available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes>
15:16<witte>the wiki contains most information i think
15:17<argonel>keys were generated in 2004, they should be fine
15:17<witte>argonel: I myself don't know too much about it
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15:17<witte>argonel: you could check the code in the worst case :P
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15:24<argonel>oh well. i'll make new keys and try and get the old ones revoked. :/
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15:34<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See
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15:36<Woet>is there a 1 line command to add a user with password?
15:37<Woet>such as, 'adduser test -p password'
15:37<Woet>with a home directory, shell and password too.
15:37<Woet>like I said
15:37<Woet>(the password)
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15:52<ancelmo_Opens>ode me ajudar/
15:52<ancelmo_Opens>sobre squirrel?
15:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:53<ancelmo_Opens>algum entende
15:53<ancelmo_Opens>anybody know?
15:54<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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16:25<sarthor>i cant view this font , its arabic fonts how to install it.
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16:26<kati_F>ÏÐÈÂÅÒÈÊ ÂÑÅÌ
16:26<Woet>is there a 1 line command to add a user with password? (and shell)
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16:32<Burner>Woet, adduser
16:32<Woet>'1 line command like'
16:32<Woet>such as
16:32<Woet>'adduser username -p password';
16:32<Woet>not like a wizard.
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16:32<Burner>man adduser
16:33<Burner>adduser can take pass and shell and so on as arguments
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16:40<yury>I cannot seem to select or unselect anything under CCSM when upgrading the packages from testing to unstable
16:41<yury>rather, I can go into each individual plugin, but I cannot click the checkbox next to the plugins to disable or enable them
16:42<yury>nvm, started working
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16:51<gizmokaka>Hi to you all, can anyone recommand me of a good xmms2 client?
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16:52<sarthor>i cant view this font , its arabic fonts how to install it.
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16:53<gizmokaka>hey, can anyone give it's suggestion?
16:54<witte>sarthor: it works nicely on my pc (and i did nothing special to achieve this as i don't understand arabic ;-))
16:54<EnriqueI>renders fine for me sarthor
16:54<Nemoder>gizmokaka: sorry I use audacious, wasn't a big fan of xmms2
16:55<EnriqueI>i'm running etch, i believe
16:55<sarthor>witte, EnriqueI Last i did install some fonts. but now i am unabel to install.. coz i forgottent that wat that font was.
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16:55<EnriqueI>sarthor: I didn't have to install any fonts
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16:56<gizmokaka>Nemoder:everybody recommands xmms2 very much
16:56<gizmokaka>you say you prefer audacious
16:56<Nemoder>audacious is a fork of xmms1
16:57<gizmokaka>OH, and why, in that case, you don't like xmms2?
16:57<Nemoder>I just prefer to have a single program for audio rather than client/server
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16:58<gizmokaka>got you. it's also resembling the winamp right?
16:58<Nemoder>plus it supports my xmms1 skins
16:58<gizmokaka>is it hotkeys configurable?
16:58<witte>sarthor: these are the fonts i installed:
16:58<Nemoder>yes it can use the really old winamp skins too
16:58<gizmokaka>but can you configure hotkeys for it?
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16:59<Nemoder>never tried, there's a ton of plugins for it, perhaps there is one that allows it
16:59<gizmokaka>OK thanks man
17:00*dutchy prefers xmms1, but since that is depreciated, uses audacious, xmms2 is "heavy"
17:00<sarthor>witte, that link is not opening here, Can you please paste here
17:00<gizmokaka>dutchy: heavy in what way?
17:01<dutchy>takes too long to open when I click on a file.
17:01<dutchy>I like instant, audacious and xmms1 were instant.
17:01<dutchy>but most of the time I use amarok anyway
17:01<gizmokaka>got you, you are the second one to recommand
17:02<witte>sarthor: how do you mean not opening, it works just fine?
17:02<Nemoder>gizmokaka: there's no reason not to try all of them and find the one you like the best, it's all free software :)
17:02<gizmokaka>i also used amarok but since i am on debian without kde, seems dirty to use amarok
17:02<sarthor>witte, i am in KSA, and some website are baned here... my the isp filter is blocking
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17:03<gizmokaka>Nemoder: true, but i won't a recommandation for a good one
17:03<witte>sarthor: what is KSA, Saudi Arabia?
17:03<sarthor>witte, Yes
17:04<sarthor>witte, now i can see your new post
17:04<gizmokaka>witte: so can you recommand a good xmms2 client?
17:04<gizmokaka>what is your fav?
17:04<witte>sarthor: it is the output of dpkg -l |grep font
17:04<Nemoder>that arabic font looks fine for me too, although I have a lot of ttf fonts installed
17:04<witte>gizmokaka: i use audacious as well
17:05<gizmokaka>oh, OK
17:05<witte>gizmokaka: apt-cache search xmms2
17:05<gizmokaka>thaks to you all guys
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17:06<witte>sarthor: you are at a debian channel you know?
17:06<witte>not ubuntu
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17:07<witte>sarthor: maybe ttf-freefont
17:07<sarthor>witte, Yes i know it. and i think its also debian based, and i asked there but no one replied since 3 hrs. thats y i asked here. Sorry if i did wrong
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17:08<witte>!based on debian
17:08<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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17:08<witte>sarthor: and i think the #ubuntu channel on freenodes is more crowded...
17:09<sarthor>witte, ttf-freefont the newst version already installed
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17:09<witte>sarthor: yeah, i see it now, overlooked it before
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17:10<witte>sarthor: well, i don't know, look at the web at "linux arabic" and probably you will find some tutorial somewhere
17:10<witte>sarthor: or compare your list with mine one by one, and ignore all the tex/latex fonts
17:10<Nemoder>sarthor: the problem may be with your browser and not your fonts
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17:13<Nemoder>sarthor: also make sure you have libpango installed
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17:13<Nemoder>I think that is what mozilla uses
17:14<Guest147>hello everyone
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17:14<sarthor>Nemoder, E: Couldn't find package libpango how to install it..
17:14<Guest147>as you can guess I'm a newby
17:14<Nemoder>sarthor: apt-cache search libpango
17:15<witte>Guest147: note that this is not a knoppix channel...
17:15<witte>Guest147: you logged in as knoppix_
17:16<Nemoder>sarthor: try installing libpango1.0-0 then
17:16<witte>Guest147: but if you have a debian question, please ask
17:16<sarthor>Nemoder, libpango1.0-0 is already the newest version.
17:16<Guest147>I have a lot to learn, yes.
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17:17<Nemoder>sarthor: well it sounds like you may have an ubuntu specific problem I would try their forums
17:17<sarthor>Nemoder, OK.
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17:17<Guest147>Is it possible to install truecrypt on linux?
17:18<Guest147>without looping
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17:24<thozhoo>hi, i am using the apt-get option to download the radeon xorg and i still can't get my xserv to work... any ideas?
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17:26<dr-evil>try module-assistang
17:26<dr-evil>aka m-a
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17:26<VTommy>hello everyone
17:27<VTommy>anyone can help me with export TERM=linux
17:27<VTommy>i need to make this change permanent
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17:27<VTommy>and i'm kind of lost where to look
17:28<witte>VTommy: you can set this in your ~/.bashrc if you are usign bash
17:28<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx> and <radeon>.
17:28<VTommy>i'm using etch
17:28*dutchy is away: Gone away for now.
17:28<dpkg>it has been said that fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. See also <radeon>.
17:28<dutchy>oops, sorry
17:28<witte>!tell dutchy about away
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17:29<VTommy>witte: bash is not used, that i can see
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17:30<witte>VTommy: if you open a terminal, bash is used
17:30<witte>unless you changed it
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17:31<VTommy>well i'm connecting with putty, and when i use aptitude i get all garbarge caracters but if i set export TERM=linux and LANG=C it's all working fine
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17:31<VTommy>i'm trying to find a way to set that up so that everytime i open a session that will be done for me
17:31<rlc>anyone ever heard of a way to get cvsup to work on etch?
17:32<witte>VTommy: ok, with ssh, i am not sure you need .bashrc, but can you do this: "echo $SHELL"
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17:32<VTommy>showing has /bin/bash
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17:32<Burner>VTommy, you can eigther put these in you bashrc, and make sure that bash is your default shell in /etc/passwd
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17:33<witte>VTommy: so you use bash ;-)
17:33<Burner>VTommy, or configure puttu to use force these values
17:34<witte>VTommy: i am not sure which one is sourced when using ssh, there is ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile
17:34<witte>if i am correct
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17:34<VTommy>how do i find bashrc ?
17:34<VTommy>or where do i find :-)
17:35<witte>VTommy: it is .bashrc (the dot is important) and it is in your home directory
17:35<Burner>its not bashrc but .bashrc , the leading . makes it a hidden file
17:35<VTommy>i do not see that file in my root folder
17:35<witte>and it is ~/.profile, not .bash_profile i think
17:35<VTommy>ahh ok
17:36<witte>VTommy: if you dont have one, the default bashrc will be taken (in /etc/bash.bashrc)
17:36<witte>VTommy: man bash ;-)
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17:36<VTommy>thanks guys found it
17:36<Burner>np :)
17:36<Burner>hope it helps
17:37<witte>VTommy: sorry, i have to correct me again: it *is* ~/.bash_profile (of which the default is /etc/profile)
17:38<witte>VTommy: btw: ~ is short for your home directory ;-)
17:38<VTommy>figured the ~ :-)
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17:38<VTommy>ok i have just change the stuff i needed saved it but when i logout and logged in options gone
17:39<VTommy>so i should change in /etc/bash.bashrc?
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17:39<witte>VTommy: no, did you change the .bashrc of the user you use to log in
17:40<Burner>changes in your ~/.bashrc will be for your use only, abd will work every time you log on
17:40<witte>VTommy: or the root one
17:40<VTommy>i'm loggin with root
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17:40<witte>VTommy: if you do "source ~/.bashrc", does it work ?
17:40<witte>VTommy: not a good idea imho
17:40<Burner>if you change /etc/bash.bashrc it will change for all users using the system
17:41<Burner>witte, im pretty sure bash allways read ~/.bashrc when it starts up
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17:44<VTommy>ok working now
17:44<VTommy>thanks guys
17:45<witte>Burner: according to the manual: ~/.bashrc
17:45<witte> The individual per-interactive-shell startup file
17:45<witte>Burner: so probably it should indeed be run every instance
17:45<witte>Burner: i just know that there is a difference between .bash_profile and .bashrc while they do mostly the same
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17:45<Burner>.bashrc is supposed to be used in every interactive bash shell
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17:45<witte>grrrr, next year i am going to have decent internet i hope :(
17:46<Burner>.profile is only read when you log on via a login shell
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17:47<Burner>so actually both is used when you log on via ssh
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17:47<witte>Burner: yeah, sounds correct
17:47<Burner>im not sure which one overrides the other though
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18:03<Burner>VTommy an witte, i just tested, only .profile is invoked when you log on via ssh or other login shells
18:04<Burner>and only .bashrc is invoked when you execute bash from a local shell
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18:04<witte>Burner: you see there was something to it :-)
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18:05<witte>I remembered vaguely that i had some issues with it a long time ago, but did not remember what it was exactly, and what the sollution/reason was :-)
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18:08<panagos>where can i find the documentation for /sys/? especially for /sys/block/ram*/ (what every file means, etc)
18:08<amphi>panagos: in Documentation in the kernel source tree, perhaps
18:09<panagos>amphi: awwwwwwwwwwwwwww :P
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18:11<gizmokaka>golan: Hi golan ma hamatzav?
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18:12<gizmokaka>i can't mount my windows share with samba for some reason
18:12<gizmokaka>i did that before but now i get an error
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18:14<gizmokaka>Supaplex: Hi man,
18:14<gizmokaka>can you help me?
18:15<gizmokaka>I get an error trying to mount a windows share using sambe
18:15<gizmokaka>something that never happaned to me before
18:16<witte>gizmokaka: there is really nobody going to help you if you have "an error" which never occured before
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18:16<gizmokaka>never occured before To ME of course
18:17<gizmokaka>it's : something like wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock
18:17<witte>gizmokaka: the emphasis was on the "an error"
18:17<gizmokaka>witte: yeh I got it
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18:17<gizmokaka>i just sayed what the error is about
18:17<gizmokaka>need me to use a paste bean?
18:18<gizmokaka>for the full error?
18:18<gizmokaka>so you can help me
18:18*lupine tries to imagine a paste bean
18:18<azeem>gizmokaka: yes, use a pastebin
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18:19<witte>ah, ok, and what where you doing?
18:19<witte>what did you do in between the moment it worked, and now
18:19<xid>gizmokaka, paste the commade and the full error
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18:22<k1lumin4t1>why does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg leaves the xorg.conf almost blank on its section nowadays?
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18:22<gizmokaka>here is the command an error
18:22<witte>k1lumin4t1: because xorg is smarter nowadays ;-)
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18:23<witte>gizmokaka: in some cases you can find usefull info in syslog. Can you try "dmesg | tail" or so :-)
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18:26<panagos>k1lumin4t1: afaik, there is a movement from upstream to make xorg fully autoconfigurable at runtime, and to deprecate xorg.conf
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18:27<gizmokaka>witte: so, is that of any help?
18:27<k1lumin4t1>panagos, so what happens then when there's an obscure GPU which needs certain parameters to be set manually?
18:27<gizmokaka>any suggestions?
18:27<panagos>k1lumin4t1: it's magic! :D
18:27<witte>gizmokaka: do you have smbfs installed
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18:28<gizmokaka>of course
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18:28<gizmokaka>i installed samba
18:28<gizmokaka>I did everything i did when it worked
18:29<gizmokaka>now i am on another system and network with sambe installed on my pc
18:29<gizmokaka>and can't connect with it
18:29<witte>gizmokaka: smbclient -L
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18:30<xid>gizmokaka, why the commande has DST // and the dmesg has DST= ???
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18:32<gizmokaka>I don't know,
18:32<gizmokaka>I don't even know what that means
18:33<gizmokaka>what is DST?
18:33<witte>gizmokaka: yes, destination, and it is probably your ip
18:33<gizmokaka>i don''t know why it's different from my command
18:34<gizmokaka>OK so what am i doing wrong?
18:34<witte>gizmokaka: did you do what i asked?
18:34<gizmokaka>excuse me i guess i missed that,
18:35<gizmokaka>what did you ask me to do?
18:35<witte>00:29 <witte> gizmokaka: smbclient -L
18:36<gizmokaka>oh give me a sec
18:36<gizmokaka>smbclient command not found
18:37<gizmokaka>that is what i get
18:37<xid>gizmokaka, as root paste "ifconfig | grep adr"
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18:37<gizmokaka>what is that supposed to return?
18:38<gizmokaka>it greps nothing
18:38<witte>gizmokaka: aptitude install smbclient smbfs (yes you told you had smbfs, but putting it on that line, just to be sure cant harm anyone ;-))
18:38<gizmokaka>you mean addr?
18:38<xid>as root
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18:38<witte>and indeed addr
18:38<gizmokaka>I am as root
18:38<gizmokaka>I can read(a bit :) )
18:39<gizmokaka>but isn't the installation of samba installing the smbfs?
18:39<gizmokaka>I am confused
18:39<gizmokaka>and yes the 2.2 is my addr
18:40<xid>witte, "adr" as in >>> inet adr:
18:40<witte>gizmokaka: better than my line before: aptitude install samba
18:41<witte>xid: your locale is not english, right?
18:41<witte>xid: inet addr:
18:42<xid>witte, right
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18:42<gizmokaka>how did you know?
18:42<witte>xid: lang:C /sbin/ifconfig
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18:42<witte>xid: sorry lang=C /sbin/config
18:42<gizmokaka>oh, you talked to xid
18:42<gizmokaka>i did aptitude install samba
18:43<gizmokaka>before now i also did install the smbfs and client
18:43<witte>gizmokaka: did it install something
18:43<gizmokaka>it installed those two packages
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18:43<gizmokaka>the client and smbfs
18:43<witte>gizmokaka: try to mount your disk ;-)
18:44<gizmokaka>what do you mean?
18:44<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See
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18:44<witte>gizmokaka: do the mount command again
18:44<gizmokaka>got it
18:44<witte>gizmokaka: !mount
18:44<gizmokaka>it works finaly
18:44<xid>gizmokaka, paste "ifconfig | grep addr"
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18:45<gizmokaka>thanks man it's ok
18:45<witte>gizmokaka: well, i told you 20 minuts ago you needed smbfs :P
18:45<gizmokaka>LOL, and two minutes ago you said i only need samba :)
18:45<gizmokaka>anyway it doesn't metter i appreciate all your help thanx alot man
18:45<witte>gizmokaka: samba is a package which has smbfs smbclient and a bunch of other stuff in it as well
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18:46<witte>gizmokaka: apt-cache show samba
18:46<gizmokaka>so why didn't it work with only samba?
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18:48<witte>gizmokaka: probably you did an update and some packages were removed?
18:49<gizmokaka>no, i installed the samba package a few minutes before asking here
18:49<gizmokaka>I installed tried to mount, it didn't work, i searched the net a bit and then asked
18:50<witte>gizmokaka: strange
18:51<xid>gizmokaka, where is your clint (win machine )?
18:51<xid> client*
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18:52<ptr>when I do 'nc -l -p 1234', it dies with a usage message
18:52<ptr>any idea why this might be?
18:52<ptr>running sid here
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18:55<agizmokak>xid:I got cut off
18:55<agizmokak>back here again
18:55<agizmokak>it is wierd
18:55<agizmokak>my other computer is inside my network
18:55<agizmokak>on lan
18:56<ptr>hmm, the man page says "it is an error to use -l in conjunction with -p", but doesn't suggest another way of specifying the port. And the man page for the previous version of netcat specifically tells you to use -l with -p
18:56<srdan>I'm trying to set up a linux gateway/router/firewall with three interfaces, one to connect to the net and the other two to connect to two seperate networks. My problem is with setting up dhcp to serve addresses based on the interface that the request comes on. i.e. there are three interfaces eth0: Internet facing, eth1: network1 (should have addresses in the range - 255), eth2: network2 (should have addresses in the range 10.0.0
18:56<srdan>.0 - 255). The problem is that the dhcp server does not respond at all to the eth1 interface.
18:57<agizmokak>I also have a problem with sound
18:57<agizmokak>I am in fluxbox
18:57<xid>agizmokak, paste dmesg | tail again
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18:57<xid>do a new one
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18:57<agizmokak>xid: it works now
18:57<agizmokak>thanks in that metter, but i need help on a new one
18:58<xid>agizmokak, paste dmesg | tail again
18:58<agizmokak>what for if everything is OK?
18:58<agizmokak>I don't have sound
18:59<xid>do what i asked , pls !
18:59<agizmokak>when doing alsa reload i get none to reload
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18:59<agizmokak>I am sorry but it sounds wierd you simply want me to paste personal info of my inner network when my probglem is solved, and not even explaining why
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19:01<agizmokak>any special reason you need that for?
19:01<agizmokak>or would you like to help me with my new problem?
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19:03<srdan>any ideas about configuring a dhcp server? (details above)
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19:03<witte>srdan: which one?
19:04<witte>srdan: maybe you would like to use dnsmasq?
19:05<agizmokak>witte : hi again
19:05<agizmokak>thank god you wrote something
19:05<srdan>witte: i'll post it again. I'm trying to set up a linux gateway/router/firewall with three interfaces, one to connect to the net and the other two to connect to two seperate networks. My problem is with setting up dhcp to serve addresses based on the interface that the request comes on. i.e. there are three interfaces eth0: Internet facing, eth1: network1 (should have addresses in the range - 255), eth2: network2 (should have a
19:05<srdan>ddresses in the range 10.0.0
19:05<srdan> .0 - 255). The problem is that the dhcp server does not respond at all to the eth1 interface.
19:05<agizmokak>i had a blackout on your name
19:06<witte>srdan: which dhcp server?
19:06<agizmokak>can anyone help me with my alsa problem
19:06<agizmokak>commands and messages in:
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19:08<witte>!alsa checklist
19:08<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation.
19:09<dpkg>methinks synergy is Gemma, or a KM program (think KVM without any video), see
19:10<srdan>witte: I need it to assign dhcp leases based on which interface the dhcp request comes on. i.e. if the request is received on interface eth1 assign it an address in the range
19:10<srdan>witte: I have a dhcp server running on the router, with three interfaces
19:10<witte>!tell wired about selftell
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19:13<asteroid>after the last update i had to reboot twice to get video-output
19:14<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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19:15<agizmokak>witte: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
19:15<witte>agizmokak: did alsaconf result in anything?
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19:17<witte>agizmokak: did you google for that error yoursefl
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19:18<agizmokak>No my bad
19:18<agizmokak>let me try this I will return if don't succeed
19:18<srdan>ok, here is my /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.config server configuration file ->
19:18<witte>agizmokak: good idea ;-)
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19:20<srdan>and here is a copy of my /etc/default/dhcp3-server file
19:20<witte>srdan: so eth1 doesn't work, and eth2 does
19:21<srdan>witte: yes, clients connected to the eth2 interface receive an ip address without problem, but clients connected to eth1 do not receive a reply
19:21<witte>the only difference i can see is that you dont have a range in eth1
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19:22<srdan>witte: hmmm... ok. I will try that now.
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19:23<witte>don't know if that is fatal
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19:25<witte>srdan: that file looks very clean, i think i am going to save it for future use ;-)
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19:26<witte>srdan: any specific reason why you have a 192.168.0.* range and a 10.*.*.* range?
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19:27<witte>srdan: and i mean not 192.168.2.* or so (unless you have more than 254 computers in that range of course
19:28<srdan>witte: i believe those numbers are standardised. 192.168.x.x and 10.0.x.x are reserved i believe for private networks
19:28<witte>srdan: yes that is true, but i wondered why you mix them
19:29<witte>srdan: it would seem more logical to have a 192.168.0.x range and a 192.168.2.x range
19:29<agizmokak>witte: is there a good graphical tool to see system info?
19:29<witte>srdan: it works and it is correct of course, i just was curious if there was a specific reason
19:29<agizmokak>all hardware on my pc?
19:30<witte>agizmokak: lspci :-)
19:30<agizmokak>no i mean gui
19:30<agizmokak>something with everything in one place
19:30<witte>agizmokak: there are tools, but check your menu because i don't know these by heart (i use cli mostly)
19:30<agizmokak>and all info like manufacturer etcdc
19:30<witte>agizmokak: i know what you mean, and it exists, just don't know the name
19:31<agizmokak>tools built in to fluxbox?
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19:31<agizmokak>looked on the net but couldnt find a name
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19:31<witte>agizmokak: fluxbox wont have any native tools, but you can use the gnome tools or the kde tools
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19:32<srdan>witte: Thank you so much :-) adding the range argument worked
19:32<srdan>i can't believe it, I've been stuck on that problem for a couple of days now
19:32<srdan>witte: I mixed them because the router is meant to supply two networks, which have nothing incommon
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19:33<witte>agizmokak: hardinfo and hardware-monitor come out when i do apt-cache search hardware (as do some others
19:34<srdan>witte: thank you witte. adding the range command worked, i can't believe it was something so simple.
19:35<witte>srdan: great, sometimes you can stare so long at something and someone passes by and sees it in a few seconds :-)
19:35<witte>srdan: one worked the other didn't, it was my only shot :P
19:35<rlc>anyone had any experience getting cvsup to work on debian etch? or know of a writeup?
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19:36<srdan>witte: the reason i didn't want to mix the addresses is because the networks are completely different. One is a company network with a DMZ and the other is a residential apartment that they are renting.
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19:36<witte>srdan: i understand, but the 192.168.0 and 192.168.2 addresses also can't interfere if you set the subnet masks correctly
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19:37<witte>srdan: at least that is what they told me several years ago in class :P
19:37<javiercito53>hello people, can you help me with virtualbox problem on my debian??
19:37<witte>srdan: but as i said before, the config you have is just as good
19:38<srdan>witte: :-) I just wanted to make absolutely sure of it
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19:38<javiercito53>my problem is that i recompiled my kernel, and now i can't install virtualbox-ose without getting any of the precompiled kernels
19:39*javiercito53 has been ignored
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19:40<amphi>javiercito53: what errors do you get? it doesn't build here against
19:40<agizmokak>witte: Kinfocenter, bundled in already
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19:43<javiercito53>amphi: my kernel is 2.6.24 recompiled by myself, so the question is, wich package should i install without getting another kernel installed??
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19:44<amphi>javiercito53: is that the question?
19:45<javiercito53>amphi: yes
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19:47<amphi>package to do what?
19:47<agizmokak>witte: OK I give up
19:48<amphi>vbox-ose module build fails here with assembler errors, for some reason
19:48<agizmokak>can't find a way to install the correct drivers on my machine for alsa to be configured correctly
19:48<agizmokak>witte: can you help me?
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19:48<jonhkr>algum brasileiro ai
19:49<witte>agizmokak: which card do you have?
19:49<javiercito53>amphi: is the module for getting the /dev/vboxdrv,
19:50<amphi>javiercito53: yes
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19:50<agizmokak>it's onboard, for p35 chipset
19:51<witte>agizmokak: lspci | grep Mul
19:52<agizmokak>it's not a pci, it's onboard.
19:52<agizmokak>is it the same file describing it?
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19:52<witte>lspci |grep -i Audio
19:52<witte>agizmokak: it will be pci based
19:52<agizmokak>No supported PnP or PCI card found
19:52<agizmokak>ooops sec
19:53<javiercito53>amphi: ok, so i installed the package but, it also downloaded the kernel 2.6.24-1-686, and i can use vbox with that kernel, but i can't use it on the one that i recompiled for my machine
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19:54<amphi>javiercito53: you need to build the module against your kernel
19:55<agizmokak>ace2001ac:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Unknown device 293e (rev 02)
19:55<dmz>javiercito53 /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
19:55<dmz>javiercito53 make sure you have kernel-headers-2.6.24-1-686 installed too
19:56<amphi>dmz: he need the module for his own kernel, AFAICS
19:56<witte>agizmokak: update-pciids
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19:57<witte>agizmokak: and again the lspci |grep -i audio command
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19:58<agizmokak>no it's a different story
19:58<agizmokak>it doesn't let me copy that line i have to write it down for you
19:58<agizmokak>i will write shortly
19:58<witte>agizmokak: select it and paste using middle mouse button
20:00<javiercito53>amphi: newbie question: how do i build the module??
20:00<agizmokak>No i can't no copy no middle mouse
20:00<agizmokak>it pastes this
20:01<agizmokak>No supported PnP or PCI card found
20:01<witte>agizmokak: ok, write it down then
20:01<agizmokak>but it sais now Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family)
20:01<amphi>javiercito53: if you installed the module source package, and unpacked it, then 'make-kpkg modules_image' in the toplevel directory of your kernel src tree should build a deb
20:01<agizmokak>HD audio controller
20:02<agizmokak>it's much better now
20:02<amphi>javiercito53: did you build your kernel with make-kpkg?
20:02<agizmokak>so should I now run alsaconf again?
20:02<witte>agizmokak: that can't hurt
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20:03<witte>agizmokak: if it doesn't, m-a m-i alsa
20:03<javiercito53>amphi: yes i did it that way
20:03<amphi>javiercito53: cool
20:03<agizmokak>witte: i still get the same No supported Pnp ... message
20:03<amphi>javiercito53: your kernel src is under /usr/src?
20:03<agizmokak>I don't get that
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20:04<agizmokak>I don't understand what you told me todo
20:04<witte>agizmokak: type: m-a m-i alsa (which is an existing shortcut for module-assistant module-install alsa)
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20:04<witte>agizmokak: could be that you need to install module-assistant
20:04<agizmokak>module-assistant module-install alsa
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20:06<agizmokak>yep i need
20:06<javiercito53>amphi: yes it does
20:06<agizmokak>I am installing now
20:06<amphi>javiercito53: or, having installed the vbox-ose src package, you could use module-assistant to build it
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20:09<agizmokak>I am reinstalling alsa using the utility
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20:10<javiercito53>amphi: ooh, it works!!, thaks a lot man!!
20:10<agizmokak>witte: it can't install me a new alsa
20:11<witte>agizmokak: it closed without any errors?
20:11<agizmokak>when trying to build i get: BAd luck the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found
20:11<agizmokak>and you did not specify valid kernel headers to use
20:11<witte>agizmokak: could be that you need to install the kernel headers ;-)
20:11<amphi>javiercito53: m-a did the trick? good-oh
20:12<agizmokak>how do i do that?
20:12<witte>agizmokak: aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r` should do the trick i think
20:13<agizmokak>it's easyer
20:13<agizmokak>the utility gives you the option to do that running the prepare command
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20:13<javiercito53>amphi: yes
20:13<agizmokak>what are the linux headers?
20:13<witte>agizmokak: things like module-assistant take all the fun away :-)
20:14<agizmokak>true :)
20:14<witte>agizmokak: the header files for the linux kernel
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20:14<agizmokak>why are they important for such action?
20:15<witte>agizmokak: if i am correct (no programmer myself) it determines where the different functions are and how they are defined without including all the code
20:16<witte>agizmokak: but you should read a basic C or C++ book to know more about this
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20:16<witte>agizmokak: you need them to build kernel modules because the modules need to communicate correctly with the kernel (this is how i understand it, which may not be 100 % correct)
20:17<amd2400>glxgears...which package does that live in? a search of the available packages in Adept doesn't come up with anything.
20:17<witte>amd2400: apt-file search glxgears
20:18<witte>amd2400: that returns mesa-utils
20:18<witte>amd2400: you can also look at the debian website:
20:18<amd2400>witte, Thank You! Installing apt-file att.
20:19<agizmokak>witte:sounds perfectly correct
20:19<agizmokak>I am a programmer, i just don't understand all the kernel and kernel module architecture so I didn't add 1 and 1 myself
20:19<witte>amd2400: you need apt-file update before you can search
20:20<amd2400>witte, copy. already finished. :-)
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20:33<agizmokak>witte: it didn't work
20:33<agizmokak>it built the alsa module
20:34<agizmokak>but alsa conf still isn't giving me any luck
20:34<agizmokak> I shell go to sleep try again tomorrow
20:34<agizmokak>thanks for all your help
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20:34<xid>a lamer
20:35<witte>xid: yes :-)
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20:35<xid>just ignore next time
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20:36<insigne>hi everyone
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20:42<Shell>someone speaks portuguese
20:42<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
20:42<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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20:43<witte>Shell: at this hour, you will most likely find more people in the second one
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21:17<twb>I find it mildly irritating that I need perl AND python AND ruby on my system. Currently the last, ruby, is only needed for apt-listbugs. Is there anything like apt-listbugs that doesn't need ruby?
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21:18<gravity>Welcome to the modern world
21:19<witte>twb: you are right, but you are free to port apt-listbugs to py-apt-listbugs or :-)
21:19<witte>twb: btw, you use rcirc right?
21:20*witte at least believes it was twb who advised him to use it
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21:26<twb>witte: indeed, I do.
21:26<witte>can you show me the part of your .emacs where the automatic joining of channels is done
21:27<witte>i am terrible with lisp, and the thing i found on the web does not do what it supposed to do :P
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21:27<twb>witte: (setq rcirc-server-alist '(("" :channels ("#emacs" "#paredit" "#screen" "#docutils" "#ratpoison" "#darcs")) ("" :channels ("#debian-eeepc"))) rcirc-startup-channels-alist (when (= emacs-major-version 22) (mapcar (lambda (x) (cons (regexp-opt (list (car x))) (plist-get (cdr x) :channels))) rcirc-server-alist)))
21:27<twb>witte: the second tuple is backwards compatibility for Emacs 22.
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21:28<witte>twb: backwards? emacs22 is the newest in sid, or are you using teh 23 version already
21:28<witte>twb: and thanks, I'll try it
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21:34<witte>twb: is there much functionality difference?
21:34<twb>I migrated from 22 to CVS to get the mtty and xft features
21:34<witte>twb: i just need auctex to work
21:34<twb>CVS also uses Unicode internally instead of ISO 10646
21:34<witte>twb: i don't think i need those things as i don't use them (i think)
21:34<twb>You obviously don't use them, since they don't exist in 22.
21:34<twb>mtty allows you to open multiple tty frames (e.g. emacsclient); xft gives you antialiased fonts in X.
21:34<witte>twb: i'll goo
21:34<witte>oop, i'll google a bit for them
21:34<twb>witte: try
21:34<twb>witte: or #emacs on Freenode
21:34<witte>twb: 23 is not going to enter lenny probably?
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21:35<twb>23 definitely won't be in Lenny.
21:35<twb>Emacs 23 isn't in freeze yet and there isn't a freeze scheduled AFAIK
21:35<witte>22 also took quite some time iirc
21:35<twb>22 took about three years
21:35<witte>twb: does the snapshot live nicely with the debian version next to each other, or will it be overwritten?
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21:36<twb>witte: it interacts just fine with other Emacsen
21:36<twb>Debian has fairly comprehensive Emacs policies, and the snapshots I linked to are made by the previous maintainer (who stopped maintaining -snapshot within Debian due to the GFDL dispute.)
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21:38<witte>twb: i am just a user, only small files, auctex and irc. Probably not even 1 % of the possibilities of emacs :-)
21:38<twb>witte: if you want to address that issue, lurk in #emacs
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21:39<witte>twb: i know, but i lurk already to much in here, i need to write a phd as well :P
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21:53<dondelelcaro>TAODP: please don't do that.
21:54<genie>hello all, can some body paste the Official repositories uri?
21:54<witte>twb: I installed the snapshot, looks nice and clean, I'll try the irc stuff tomorrow (tomorrow). Thanks for all the info
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21:55<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
21:55<genie>witte, I need only the uri for official one
21:55<genie>dpkg, need only the uri for official one
21:55<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, genie
21:56<witte>genie: what is not official about those ones?
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21:57<genie>witte, I am using ubuntu I don't have debian I need the debian bez I want to install some things to other system which is based on debian
21:57<witte>genie: this is debian, not ubuntu
21:57<witte>!based on debian
21:57<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
21:58<genie>witte, I know this is debian that's why I am here
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21:58<genie>witte, I need it for debian
21:58<eddieftw>hello all, i am having trouble getting X to start on a debian lenny ppc install
21:59<genie>witte, can you give it to me from your /etc/apt/source.list?
21:59<witte>eddieftw: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
21:59<witte>eddieftw: if that does not help, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
21:59<witte>genie: look at the thing dpkg told about sources.list, and read it, all you need to know is there
22:00<genie>witte, he give an example
22:00<genie>witte, I need the actual uri
22:00<eddieftw>i tried both witte
22:01<witte>eddieftw: anything special in the log file
22:01<Shell>how do I start the ubuntu-mode text file that I set
22:01<witte>Shell: ubuntu-mode?
22:01<witte>genie: from which country are you
22:02<genie>witte, Bahrain
22:03<eddieftw>i dont i ii dont know what to look for
22:03<witte>eddieftw: errors (EE) and warnings (WW)
22:03<Shell>I configure that file to start the ubuntu in text mode??
22:03<witte>eddieftw: i don't have ppc, so i doubt i can be of much help
22:03<witte>Shell: this is debian, not ubuntu
22:03<witte>!tell Shell about ubuntu
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22:04<witte>genie: so there is no server in bahrain, but take one that is close
22:05<dpkg>it has been said that apt-spy is a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been ...
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22:05<twb>genie: that was for you
22:05<genie>witte, I think you don't understand me, I just need the main repository from source.list, so I can copy it and paste in the system
22:06<twb>genie: the "main repository" is whatever mirror is nearest to you.
22:06<twb>genie: is there some reason you can't use a mirror?
22:06<witte>genie: i do understand... also read the apt-spy thing that twb invoked for you
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22:08<eddieftw>are there any lenny ppc mailing lists?
22:09<genie>witte, thanks for your info I just need this line: deb testing main
22:09<gsimmons>!tell eddieftw -about mailing list
22:09<gsimmons>eddieftw: There's also a PPC-specific channel available on this network: #debianppc.
22:09<witte>eddieftw: yes, there should be
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22:10<witte>genie: probably the us is not the closest connection to bahrain?
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22:12<genie>witte, it's works thanks for your help
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22:19<pubo_>I'm looking for a web application to maintain system accounts (like webmin, but I only want the system accounts part)... can anybody help me?
22:21<xid>no, nevermind
22:22<pubo_>xid, no. I need throught HTTP
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22:23<twb>Well, you could tunnel X or VNC over HTTP :-)
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22:23<pubo_>twb, xD
22:23<twb>The short answer is that webmin and all the alternatives to webmin are horribly, horribly crap.
22:24<xid>rdesktop ?
22:24<twb>What we (that is, the company I work for) wants to do is to write a webmin-like user interface for puppet.
22:24<twb>Unfortunately we can't afford it.
22:26<twb>xid: the only RDP server for GNU/Linux is still really flaky
22:26<xid>thx twb
22:27<xid>... never used
22:27<twb>In fact I think it currently just bridges the RFB protocol to RDP
22:27<twb>(RFB being the protocol that VNC uses.)
22:27<xid>I like vnc
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22:28<pubo_>twb, uhm... I need it because the server (basicaly e-mail server) is for a group of persons that doesn't know anything of Linux. And I want to give them a friendly interface to create users but I want that they only do that...
22:28<superjet_busy>vnc always open, is possible to close it?
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22:28<twb>VNC sucks because it's a lowest-common-denominator protocol, using pure raster optimizations. Of course, that's also why it's so much more popular than, say, NeWS.
22:28<twb>pubo_: yes, I understand that.
22:29<twb>superjet_busy: you can certainly firewall it with iptables.
22:29<pubo_>twb, FreeNX is faster than VNC, isn't it?
22:29<superjet_busy>vnc is more faster
22:29<twb>superjet_busy: probably your VNC server has an --interface switch or something.
22:29<twb>pubo_: that depends a lot on the application in question.
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22:30<twb>NX is a compressed X protcol, which allows it to make higher-level optimizations.
22:30<superjet_busy>twb: maybe, I run it with -localhost option
22:30<twb>However, using (lossy!) JPEG compression, VNC might still be competetive with NX in terms of bandwidth.
22:31<superjet_busy>twb: is freenx server may start by normal user?
22:32<xid>pubo_, nfs ?
22:32<lupine>eh, NX is teh awesome
22:32<pubo_>nfs? what?
22:33<xid>network file system
22:33<pubo_>xid, I knoe nfs... but I don't know what do you tell me this
22:34<xid>sharing/mirroring your needs
22:35<superjet_busy>it seems that freenx is a little crapy when running little window manager in clients, like openbox, without ?dm running.
22:35<pubo_>I don't need to share/mirroring anything :)
22:35<xid>remote host may boot remote the server
22:36<Reghi>Please, I need to go on seeing the taskbar wen I put Youtube's at foolscreen (sorry, I'm spanish o Europe)
22:36<Reghi>Escuseme fullscreen
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22:36<pubo_>Reghi, qué pretendes?
22:37<superjet_busy>Reghi: youtube-dl to download it
22:37<Reghi>seguir viendo la barra de tareas cuando pongo los videos a fullscreen
22:37<Reghi>:) gracias
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22:38<Reghi>al poner fullscreen, me oculta hasta la taskbar
22:39<pubo_>si... pero no se si eso se podrá hacer... voy a ver
22:39<Reghi>En algunos linux se pude configurar, pero en mi knoppix instalado en el hard disk, no lo consigo
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22:44<pubo_>No, sorry. Estaba buscando en gconf-editor, pero no lo localizo
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22:46<Reghi>pubo_: si clikeo con el botón derecho sobre la barra, para configurarla, hay una opción para que no se oculte la barra al hacer fullscreen con una ventana, pero no me funciona para los videos de youtube
22:47<pubo_>well twb. And what about xdmcp? Acctually I use XForwarding under ssh, but with mi Snail-DSL connection is toooooo slow :(. I need tu use it becouse I use some X applications (like guarddog or guidedog), but it's really slow
22:48<pubo_>Reghi, a mí no me sale eso :(. Estás en gnome?
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22:52<JordiGH>When a package is dropped from Debian, does it leave a trail of bread of crumbs somewhere? Can I find out why it was dropped?
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22:54<Reghi>pubo_: perdón que me distrajera. Estoy con Kde
22:54<JordiGH>The most I can find is FTBFS.
22:54<JordiGH>For supercollider.
22:55<pubo_>Reghi, KDE ni guarripeich :(
22:55<Reghi>De donde eres?
22:56<JordiGH>¿Nadie se ofende con que hablemos español aquí?
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22:56<Reghi>If it is a big problem, i make a privete conversation
22:58<gsimmons>JordiGH: For that package, see bug #454257. Looking at a package in the PTS and finding the report regarding its removal from unstable will net you the relevant bug number.
22:58<pubo_>Reghi, Alicante
22:58<Reghi>JordiGH: I think you are from Catalunya. Is it all right?
22:58<JordiGH>Lo extraño es que en Freenode y en muchos otros lugares, hablar algo aparte de inglés en las listas y canales principales inmediatamente resulta en una exigencia por hablar inglés.
22:58<Reghi>OK pubò
22:58<JordiGH>Reghi: No, soy mexicano.
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22:59<JordiGH>gsimmons: I found that bug, but all it says is that the package was removed. I'm looking for an explanation, because I miss it, and I want it back.
22:59<Reghi>OK JordiGH, no sabía que se usaba ese nombre en México. Yo soy Gallego, (de Galicia ;))
23:00<JordiGH>Reghi: No se usa. Mi nombre aquí es poco común. Lo tengo por tener ancestros catalanes, pero mi familia lleva cuatro generaciones aquí ya.
23:00<pubo_>Let's go to bed people... see you!
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23:00<Reghi>Hasta otra pubo
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23:01<twb>,tell Reghi -about es
23:01<JordiGH>Ah, there we go.
23:01<gsimmons>JordiGH: Uh, the reasons are right in the report: release-critical bugs, low popularity/few users and hadn't migrated to testing for a while. Also, the package was orphaned by the maintainer.
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23:02<twb>pubo_: DMCP is merely a protocol for *initiating* remote X sessions.
23:02<twb>pubo_: ultimately the session is just X.
23:02<Reghi>twb: ???
23:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:03<Reghi>espain? spanish?
23:04<JordiGH>es - España.
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23:04<CdK1>y si sabemos ingles, nos podemos quedar :S
23:04<Reghi>dpkg: OK, sorry
23:04<dpkg>Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again...
23:04<pubo_>twb, ok... then, using X under SSH, is very slow, compared to Terminal Desktop and others :(
23:04<JordiGH>ISO country codes are generally based on the country's spelling in its main language.
23:04<twb>pubo_: yes, because you're using a bloated toolkit such as GTK which is extremely inefficient in terms of X primitives
23:05<twb>pubo_: for example, X cannot send gradients efficiently, so if your buttons use gradients, they require more amount of bandwidth than single-colour buttons
23:05<twb>pubo_: you can ameliorate this by using a compressing X proxy, which is essentially what NX is.
23:06<JordiGH>gsimmons: Ah, right, I was looking at the wrong page from the PTS, only the ftpmaster's message, not the bug report.
23:06<pubo_>twb, ahm...
23:06<JordiGH>so if a package was removed from Debian, is there a way to find the Debian packaging and work with that?, is it?
23:06<Reghi>dpkg: Now the people of debian-es is sleeping xD. No problem
23:06<dpkg>okay, Reghi
23:06<twb>JordiGH: at least for European languages :-)
23:07<gsimmons>JordiGH: No problem. Actually, it wasn't orphaned by the maintainer (was done by the QA team) owing to no response received re RC bugs.
23:07<twb>Reghi: you can ask here, but only in English.
23:07<twb>Reghi: otherwise you need to ask in #debian-es and be patient.
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23:11<pubo_>elinks vs links2 vs lynx?
23:12<JordiGH>vs w3m
23:12<JordiGH>vs.... EMACS!!!
23:12<JordiGH>vs wget
23:13<JordiGH>If wget and Emacs are enough for rms...
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23:15<twb>Emacs does not include a web browser.
23:16<twb>w3 is a third-party browser entirely in elisp. w3m-el is a w3m-based Emacs browser, and wget.el is a port of wget's core functionality to pure elisp.
23:16<twb>All are distributed separately.
23:17<Corrine>does linux have any decent s[eech recognition programs?
23:18<twb>Corrine: no.
23:18<twb>I think sphinx is a research implementation from CMU.
23:18<JordiGH>twb: Don't confuse the issue with facts. ;-)
23:19<JordiGH>And how dare you question Emacs!
23:19<twb>JordiGH: regarding snapshots: yes, that's the only way I know of.
23:19<Corrine>Ah crap
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23:19*Corrine hides from the holy war
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23:20<twb>I question Emacs because I have earned the privilege.
23:20<JordiGH>Corrine: You have nothing to fear as long as you let Emacs into your heart.
23:21<twb>Emacs sounds like a good idea at the time.
23:21<twb>On Freenode, /msg fsbot salespitch
23:21<Corrine>Anything built into Emacs is of limited use
23:21<JordiGH>For RMS so loved the geeks that he his only begotten Editor, that whosoever who believeth in it should not segfault, but have everlasting code.
23:22<twb>Corrine: I agree; it's better to build a UI-agnostic backend and a simple Emacs UI layer.
23:22<amphi>JordiGH: you left out the crucial verb - 'perpetrated' ? ;)
23:22<Corrine>I want to build a script that recognizes pre defines voice commands
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23:22<twb>Application logic doesn't belong in Emacs any more than it belongs in a GNOME wrapper.
23:22<Corrine>IE, say 'open emacs'
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23:23<Asmo>hy gibs hier jemand der deutsch spricht und mir mal kurtz helfen kann?
23:23<twb>!tell Asmo -about de
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23:34<Phil|ZZZzzz>hi all
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23:35<Phil4>I have just noticed in my auth.log on 4 of my servers that a user from the IP (Belgium) has sshed into a user called 'screen'
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23:35<Phil4>this has also happened on a friends server
23:35<Phil4>is this a massive insecurity?
23:36<Phil4>especially as yesterday I noticed that lighttpd had been modified to run on port 4443 and Apache2 (which I don't even have installed) was running on 443
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23:38<twb>Phil4: so you've been cracked
23:38<Phil4>twb, correct
23:38<Phil4>but 4 of my servers have
23:38<twb>Phil4: turn the system off, reinstall, and try again
23:38<Phil4>as has that of a friend
23:38<twb>Phil4: probably you have a gaping hole in one of your PHP apps
23:39<Phil4>some of these don't even run php
23:39<twb>Phil4: I assume you dealt with the OpenSSH issue?
23:39<Phil4>it looks to me that there's a security hole in the debian apt package which installs screen
23:39<Phil4>yes, twb
23:39<twb>The screen package doesn't create a user.
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23:40<Phil4>so how has this happened on 5 separate servers from one single IP? :S
23:41<Phil4>running chkrootkit now
23:41<twb>Obviously if one server can log into others, or if they all have the same vulnerability
23:42-!-mode/#debian [+l 341] by debhelper
23:42<twb>I repeat: did you close the extremely horrible SSL key issue?
23:42<Phil4>I repeat, yes
23:42<Phil4>however, this is password auth not key auth
23:42<twb>Oh sorry, I didn't see
23:42<twb>If you have password logins enabled in ssh, perhaps they just brute-forced it.
23:43<Phil4>nothing showing up in auth.log
23:43<Phil4>I have denyhosts to avoid that
23:43<Phil4>this was a specific login
23:43<Phil4>they knew the password for this account on each and every server
23:44<blarson>Phil4: They probably rooted your box and created the account.
23:44<Phil4>blarson, all 5 of them?
23:44<Phil4>the 5 are unrelated
23:44<Phil4>i.e. no keys etc. setup between them
23:44<twb>Well anyway, I doubt screen is the issue
23:44<twb>Were all these machines kept up to date with security.d.o?
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23:46<Phil4>another box I manage has been done too
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23:47<Phil4>can you guys check your auth.logs
23:47<Phil4>grep them from 'screen'
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23:47<glen>what's the name of the default kernel package?
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23:50<Phil4>and another box rooted
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23:58<twb>I don't run servers with world-facing services.
23:59<twb>glen: that depends on which kernel you're running, and the architecture.
23:59<twb>glen: on Debian GNU/Linux Lenny, it is linux-image.
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