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---Logopened Thu Jun 12 00:00:24 2008
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00:00<Riley_>I'm sure if this is a Xbox-linux specific error (if it is, I'll go ask over thar) but apt-get is giving me all kinds of strange errors when I try to update
00:00<Riley_>after "reading packings lists..."
00:00<Riley_>I get:
00:00<Riley_>Dynamic MMap Ran out of room, error occured while processing x-face-el (NewVersion1), then problem with mergelist...
00:01<Riley_>And I just edited my sources.list so it's only the three default entries
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00:03<amphi>!tell Riley_ -about dynamic mmap
00:04<glen>Riley_, thank you :)
00:05<Riley_>amphi I just got a !tell command, but googling about dynamic mmaps brings up...
00:05<Riley_>echo 'APT::Cache-Limit "25165824";' >> /etc/apt/atp.conf
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00:05<Riley_>I don't know what that did, but it worked.
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00:06<RIVE>HI, good evening.
00:08<RIVE>What's the channel for Eee Pc with Debian?
00:09<dpkg>, or, or #debian-eeepc @
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00:10<RIVE>Thanks gsimmons.
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00:22<bongzilla>i got 2 gateway
00:22<bongzilla>how to remote the private gateway and enable it to the public gateway?
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00:27<twb>bongzilla: I'm sure that sentence made sense in your head, but I didn't understand it at all.
00:27<bongzilla>Kernel IP routing table
00:27<bongzilla>Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
00:27<bongzilla> * U 0 0 0 eth0
00:27<bongzilla> * U 0 0 0 eth1
00:27<bongzilla> * U 0 0 0 eth1
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00:27<bongzilla>that's what i've got
00:28<bongzilla>sorry, wrong routing table
00:28<blarson>!tell bongzilla about paste
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00:34<bongzilla>this is my problem -
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00:40<bongzilla>can't fight this feeling any longer
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00:47<Riley_>... how do I
00:47<Riley_>activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option
00:47<Riley_>better phrased: what do I put in apt.conf?
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00:52<xid>APT::Force-LoopBreak "0"; ?
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00:54<xid>bongzilla, cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward , get what ?
00:54<bongzilla>i'll check on that, just a sec
00:55<bongzilla>private gateway should be remove right?
00:57<Riley_>xid thank you, and it's "1" as the value
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00:59<xid>Riley_, its correct ?
00:59<Riley_>well it started working, removed necessary components, then caught some kind of error
00:59<Riley_>apt-get is angry at me today
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00:59<Riley_>... apt-get -f install is running though, and I... I am praying.
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01:00<xid>bongzilla, so ?
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01:01<bongzilla>just a sec xid, working on a email thread
01:01<xid>no more time here, so
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01:39<bongzilla>still there?
01:40<bongzilla>yo xid
01:40<bongzilla>im done
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01:50<bongzilla>need help here
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01:52<chandu>I am trying to download a file of size 3.5 G using wget from my local server
01:52<`>bongzilla, cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward , get what ?
01:52<bongzilla>i got 0
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01:52<chandu>It is downloading the file at the transfer rate of 8 MB/s till 80% of download
01:53<chandu>but last 20% its dropping down
01:53<chandu>Its coming to 5KB/s, 20KB/s and all
01:53<bongzilla>i'll send the latest route
01:53<chandu>for downloading first 80% of the image it is taking only 3min
01:53<chandu>but for last 20% it is taking 35 min
01:53<`>bongzilla, echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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01:54<chandu>even while dropping down, some times its going to 5, 6 MB/s and again dropping down
01:54<chandu>what should be the problem
01:54<bongzilla>what's next?
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01:55<`>bongzilla, now you' are ok
01:55<`>bongzilla, cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward , get what ?
01:55<bongzilla>i still got 2 gateway
01:55<twb>bongzilla: plonk
01:55<`>is normal
01:55<bongzilla>it's still 0
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01:56<bongzilla>i'll send the comparison
01:56<bongzilla>i can't ping the public IP
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01:57<`>bongzilla, echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
01:58<bongzilla>still can't ping the public ip
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01:58<`>bongzilla, cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward , get what ?
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01:58<chandu>can any one please answer my quieries
01:58<bongzilla>still can't ping the public ip
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01:59<bongzilla> - please can you check it xid
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02:00<bongzilla>i got this sample, probably it should be like this -
02:00<twb>chandu: an obvious cause would be other network traffic
02:01<chandu>twb, ok do I check that traffic
02:01<bongzilla>but i don't know how to command it
02:01<twb>chandu: that rather depends on whether you have control over the networks that you're copying data over
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02:02<bongzilla>i read the man route, but it doesn't say anything for this concern
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02:02<chandu>twb, ok
02:04<`>bongzilla, must reboot , and don't touch any more IP routing table
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02:05<bongzilla>my god
02:05<`>bongzilla, and add >>> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward << in /etc/rc.local
02:05<bongzilla>we are talking about debian right?
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02:06<bongzilla>debian doesn't have any rc.local
02:06<jm_>just use ipmasq if you want network sharing at home
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02:07<bongzilla>debian doesn't have any rc.local
02:07<`>cat /etc/rc.local
02:07<dondelelcaro>bongzilla: actually, it does.
02:07<bongzilla>ok got it
02:07<bongzilla>looking for the ip forward doesn't help
02:07<bongzilla>i got 2 gateway
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02:07<bongzilla>somebody told me it should only be one
02:07<dondelelcaro>bongzilla: you should only have one default gateway.
02:08<bongzilla>you're right dondele
02:08<bongzilla>how will i do that
02:08<dondelelcaro>bongzilla: delete the one that isn't the default gateway.
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02:08<Supaplex>freaking gnome-terminal and it's 548904 stupid dependencies. nautilus-cd-burner for a terminal emulator? get real
02:08<dondelelcaro>bongzilla: or use route del; as appropriate
02:08<bongzilla>i already read the manual but it doesn't say anything with my concenr
02:09<bongzilla>delete it literally?
02:09<jm_>Supaplex: so don't use it?
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02:09<bongzilla>i got this sample, probably it should be like this -
02:09<dondelelcaro>bongzilla: delete the line in /etc/network/interfaces; and/or use route del; as appropriate
02:09<dondelelcaro>bongzilla: uh... that's fine
02:10<bongzilla>192 is dynanic
02:10<dondelelcaro>bongzilla: you have one default gateway
02:10<bongzilla>that's only the sample
02:10<Supaplex>jm_: exactly why I purged it.
02:10<bongzilla>this is the real one
02:10<bongzilla> - please can you check it
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02:11<jm_>remve gateway for eth1
02:11<dondelelcaro>bongzilla: so delete the gateway line in your /etc/network/interfaces
02:11<bongzilla>xid command me to echo 0 in the ip_forward but it doesn't help
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02:11<dondelelcaro>bongzilla: and route del -net default gw dev eth1; or similar.
02:12<dondelelcaro>bongzilla: ip_forward has nothing to do with the two default gateways; that won't help until you ditch the extra one
02:13<bongzilla>but still the public ip is not pingable
02:13<twb>Supaplex: disable recommends
02:13<bongzilla>should i restart the services?
02:13<twb>Supaplex: or, obviously, install something else. xfce4-terminal is still libvte-based, and xvt, rxvt and xterm are also there
02:14<bongzilla>i just restarted it, let you know for updates
02:14<bongzilla>Pinging with 32 bytes of data:
02:14<bongzilla>Reply from Destination host unreachable.
02:14<bongzilla>that's what is saying when i try to ping 38
02:16<bongzilla>the gateway that i deleted just come back after rebooting
02:16<bongzilla>how come?
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02:16<jm_>stop with your attention whore bullshit
02:16<bongzilla>this is weird
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02:18<Supaplex>by design isn't weird.
02:18<bongzilla>fucking xid destroy my routing table
02:19<twb>Incidentally, I've found ipmasq gets really upset unless you do
02:19<twb>echo 'ipmasq ipmasq/start-location select After network services have been started' | debconf-set-selections
02:19<dondelelcaro>bongzilla: it came back because you didn't remove the line from /etc/network/interfaces; try being more positive, otherwise people aren't going to bother to help you.
02:19<twb>Particularly if auth comes from the network
02:20<`>bongzilla, when ?
02:20<Supaplex>someday we will get a paste url of his interfaces config
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02:21<Supaplex>bongzilla: or save yourself a few steps, and 03:15 < dondelelcaro> bongzilla: so delete the gateway line in your /etc/network/interfaces
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02:22<Supaplex>unless it's dhcp. then set that interface up manually
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02:23<bongzilla>after deleting it now the other default is not showing up
02:23<bongzilla>but STILL i can't ping the public ip
02:24<`>bongzilla, when ? >>> destroy my routing table <<<
02:24<bongzilla>Pinging with 32 bytes of data:
02:24<bongzilla>Reply from Destination host unreachable.
02:25<Supaplex>why is replying when you're attempting to use as the default route? did you modify the interface you expected to?
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02:26<bongzilla>i already modified it
02:26<bongzilla>let me paste it
02:26<jm_>he did, but he of course didn't run route del now
02:26<Supaplex>he's reboot happy. I assumed he rebooted just because.
02:26<Supaplex>my bad. :)
02:27<bongzilla>that is my interfaces
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02:27<bongzilla>i got 2 lan card
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02:27<bongzilla>one is for the private and the other one for the public
02:28<bongzilla>you said that i remove the private default gateway which i already did
02:28<bongzilla>the i restarted the services
02:28<Supaplex>after you edited the interfaces file, did you restart networking? delete routes by hand? reboot? tell us so we don't have to assume anything.
02:28<`>bongzilla, do a " uptime " for us
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02:28<jm_>no, get an imac for us
02:29<bongzilla>after the routing table, i'll do the uptime for this debian box
02:29<bongzilla>all i want is to ping my public ip
02:29<bongzilla>that all
02:30<`>64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=478 ms
02:30<bongzilla>you're weird xid
02:31<bongzilla>you can't help people who's using debian
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02:33<Supaplex>it's not like we're asking for a UA
02:34<`>bongzilla, why 32 bytes of data: ??? I have 64 bytes here (DEFAULT)...
02:34<Supaplex>the should be a more specific match. default gw doesn't really apply.
02:35<Supaplex>ping is locally significant, you can ask for any legal payload size.
02:36<bongzilla>how come it takes a long discusion
02:37<Supaplex>we fail mind reading school
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02:37<Supaplex>I took it four times, and failed every time. I'm a flunkie.
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02:42<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See
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02:43<Supaplex>bongzilla: can you ping the public ip when eth0 is up and eth1 is down?
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02:44<Supaplex>1m, let me review the interfaces config. Line 8-12 of the routing table paste tips me off to something else.
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02:44<Supaplex>bongzilla: what's the ipconfig /all output on the windows box?
02:45<Supaplex>and is eth0 on the debian box up? can it ping
02:46<Supaplex>I think eth0 on the debian box is fine seeing as how we can ping
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02:50<`>Supaplex, his example of (no) pinging is from win box ...
02:51<Supaplex>if we can ping the debian box, but his windows box cannot, we need to enumerate the topology from the windows box outward
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02:53<`>[08:14] bongzilla: Pinging with 32 bytes of data:
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02:57<Supaplex>What router is using has line 12 rejecting the ping (by no available route) from the private address. What's on that?
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03:01<billy12>whats the console command to add a user to a group
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03:04<streuner_>billy12: adduser <user> <group>
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03:08<`>like in " adduser new_lamer Lamers" ,
03:10<Supaplex>!nickometer `
03:10<dpkg>'`' is 14.000% lame, supaplex
03:11<`>only ...
03:12<`>!nickometer Supaplex
03:12<dpkg>'Supaplex' is 0.000% lame, `
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03:21<Supaplex>hello fucktard printer. manual feed means M A N U A L. not tray2! </rant>
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03:24<dpkg>[time] found on, or 2008.06.12 7:24:34, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!
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03:27<Supaplex>!lart openoffice+printing envelopes
03:27*dpkg holds openoffice+printing envelopes to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails
03:27<Supaplex>I guess I'll do it by hand.
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03:29<`>a lame printer ?
03:31<Supaplex>shal we try wordperfect 5.2 and dos and see how it works there?
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03:32<Supaplex>it's an hp color laserjet 4550dn with all the fixings. duplexer, extra paper tray, integrated hp jet direct, and 182mb of ramdisk for spooling.
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03:35<`>good gadget
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03:52<macpower>hi how are you?
03:53<`>hi macdebian
03:54<macpower>do you know , how i doing for create a connetion on debian for accepting connexion input by serial modem ttyUSB0 ? please
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03:54<`>no, sty , don't use that
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03:55<blarson>macpower: use mgetty or getty
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03:56<macpower>pptpd is not sufficient?
03:57<macpower>because pptpd working on my network, I using ip address, but when I use phone number don't work
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03:58<gizmokaka>why on startup, i get stuck some times on "waiting for root file system
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03:59<blarson>gizmokaka: race conditons in system init.
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04:00<gizmokaka>blarson, what does that mean? why is it stuck then?
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04:01<`>!nickometer gizmokaka
04:01<gizmokaka>blarson: can you help me?
04:02<dpkg>'gizmokaka' is 0.000% lame, `
04:03<gizmokaka>can anyone help?????????
04:03<gizmokaka>i have two problems to solve,
04:03<gizmokaka>1. on sys startup i get stuck on waiting for root fs
04:04<gizmokaka>2. my sound doesn't work. i module-assistant built the alsa again
04:04<gizmokaka>it succeeded now my lspci | grep Audio shows a good Audio device
04:04<gizmokaka>yet when i run the alsaconf
04:05<gizmokaka>i get No supporter PnP or PCI cart found would you like to probe legacy ISA...
04:05<gizmokaka>I can set my sound to work
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04:07<gizmokaka>when trying to reload alsa i get
04:07<gizmokaka>none loaded and none to reload
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04:12<Skrat>Anyone here compile Urban Terror?
04:14<tarzeau>no, but sauerbraten
04:14<Skrat>I've compiled the ioUrbanTerror, now I'm missing something
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04:14<Skrat>I think it's the quake 3 engine or something. :|
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04:15<Riley_>hey, can someone give me some hints with apt-get - apt-get upgrade threw me error codes, then I overrode the loopback thing, and now apt-get -f install is throwing me errors because glibc won't install
04:15<Riley_>which means that a reboot would be fatal
04:15<Riley_>libglib2.0-dev: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (= 2.12.4-2) but 2.2.3-1xebian is installed
04:15<Riley_>and this is on xebian [xbox debian]
04:15<Skrat>Well; libglib wants to be installed
04:15<Riley_>can I force it?
04:15<Skrat>But it may coincide with 2.2.3-1xebian
04:15<Skrat>I don't know
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04:16<gizmokaka>Supaplex: good morning
04:16<Riley_>dpkg --remove 2.2.3-1xebain ?
04:16*dpkg rips the still-beating 2.2.3-1xebain from riley_'s chest, leaving riley_ in a coma.
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04:17<Riley_>... these channel bots are strange
04:17<Skrat>dpkg --remove heart Riley_
04:17*dpkg rips the still-beating heart Riley_ from skrat's chest, leaving skrat in a coma.
04:17<Skrat>No; NO
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04:17<Skrat>dpkg --remove heart
04:17*dpkg rips the still-beating heart from skrat's chest, leaving skrat in a coma.
04:17<Riley_>I didn't know ... you needed me... to function
04:18<cahoot_>strange ideas of basic biology
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04:18<Riley_>I wish there was an apt-get command where you could just apt-get --fix-yourself
04:18<Riley_>and then it'd stop whining
04:18<Riley_>hell, it managed to restart sshd without booting me, so it should be able to do anything
04:19<jm_>stop installing stuff that depends on newer libraries than your system has
04:20<Riley_>okay, I admit to being newb with debian
04:20<Riley_>but I just apt-get upgrade'd
04:20<Supaplex>gizmokaka: hi.
04:20<Riley_>I didn't try to install anything specific
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04:20<jm_>upgraded from what to what?
04:21<Riley_>this xbox has been offline for 2 years
04:21<Skrat>dpkg --remove heart --from me
04:21*dpkg rips the still-beating heart --from me from skrat's chest, leaving skrat in a coma.
04:21<Riley_>so I just wanted to upgrade all the components
04:21<Skrat>dpkg help
04:21<Supaplex>Skrat: dpkg is a bot
04:21<gizmokaka>Supaplex:can you help me with my problems?
04:21<Skrat>Supaplex; i know
04:21<Supaplex>gizmokaka: not every single one of them. I was asleep
04:21<jm_>forget about it, you need to dist upgrade first
04:22<gizmokaka>no it's OK I only need help with 3
04:22<Supaplex>just ask anyone here next time. buh bye :)
04:22<Supaplex>!tell gizmokaka -about rescue
04:22<gizmokaka>2 very simple for you
04:23<gizmokaka>Supaplex: I asked, no one answered
04:23<Supaplex>!tell gizmokaka -about repeat
04:23<Supaplex>part of that applies.
04:23<Supaplex>anyhow... I'm detaching this terminal. good luck
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04:24<Riley_>okay, so I fucked up with apt-get and now I may lose this system... is there an easy way to have apt-get bootstrap a new system by compiling all the components? gentoo-emerge style?
04:25<gizmokaka>Supaplex: thanks bye
04:25<jm_>just run apt-get dist-upgrad and hope you're not 2 versions behind
04:26<Riley_>jm_ ... Unmet dependencies, try apt-get -f... I try apt-get -f and get the same error.
04:27<Riley_>jm_ I need glib2 2.12 but have 2.2 installed.
04:27<jm_>Riley_: paste the output together with your sources.list on some paste site
04:29<Riley_>should I apt-get --dist-upgrade --ignore-hold?
04:30<jm_>did you run apt-get update?
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04:31<Riley_>jm_ yeah, earlier this evening, it threw errors so I filled my conf file with the default servers and fixed the mmap, but it updated successfully
04:31<jm_>also check what 'apt-cache policy libglib2.0-data' says
04:31<jm_>Riley_: where's your sources.list, you didn't paste that
04:31<Riley_>jm_ both of those are
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04:33<jm_>Riley_: does it install e2fsprogs and fontconfig-config if you tell it to?
04:33<Riley_>jm_ no, my unmet dependencies regarding glibc throw errors
04:33<jm_>Riley_: no it's not about glibc - try installing those two first
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04:34<Riley_>jm_ here're the errors for apt-get -f install e2fsprogs -
04:35<jm_>Riley_: download it by hand and install it with dpkg (e2fsprogs)
04:35<Bon>I have installed wine 0.9.58 on gnome. It allows me to run sid meiers alpha centauri's loader and installer, which somehow installs into c:/ program files/sid meiers etc.. It then allows me to play for a short perio before the game immedeatly shuts down and turns off. Anyone know if it is something I have (or havent) done, or is it a problem with wine and games please?
04:36<jm_>Riley_: e2fslibs too
04:36<Riley_>jm_ My debian-skills are gone - I can't find the .deb files on
04:36<Riley_>jm_ am I even looking in the right place?
04:37<Riley_>jm_ -> found
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04:38<jm_>Riley_: yeah use to get URL-s
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04:40<Riley_>jm_ ... "e2fsprogs conflicts with sysvinit (<< 2.85-4)"
04:41<jm_>Riley_: yeah install that too, you'll be in for a long day
04:41<Riley_>... 1:41 AM. morning. ;]
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04:42<Riley_>jm_ If I download all the deb's it whines about... will it eventually be able to install all of them?
04:42<jm_>Riley_: start with the base ones first, apt-get would probably get the rest itself at one point
04:44<Riley_>jm_ I might cry - I'm having circular dependency issues
04:44<Riley_>jm_ Can I cop out, download a gentoo stage tarball, and just make emerge do my dirty work?
04:45<Riley_>jm_ or maybe even some kind of debian-base-tarball?
04:45<jm_>Riley_: you mean you want to reinstall or what?
04:45<Riley_>jm_ I want to install a working system without shutting it down
04:45<jm_>Riley_: you can install debian from a working unix system
04:45<gsimmons>Bon: You might want to check the Wine AppDB, upgrade your version (even etch-backports has 1.0-rc1) and/or talk to #winehq (
04:45<Riley_>jm_ because if it restarts, it's already uninstalled a number of key applications, so I can't ssh back in
04:46<Riley_>jm_ and it's xbox-linux, so I think I'd need to find some kind of new CD and start the process all over again
04:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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04:48<gizmokaka>I have a problem with my alsa. when running the alsaconf i get No supported PnP or PCI card found. Would you like to probe legacy ISA sound cards/chips?
04:49<Gekz>#alsa on can help too
04:49<jm_>gizmokaka: which card/driver do you need?
04:49<gizmokaka>i already built and install the alsa module with module-assistant
04:50<gizmokaka>jm_: it's for the p35 chipset
04:50<jm_>gizmokaka: kernel version?
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04:50<gizmokaka>but lspci | grep Audio
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04:50<gizmokaka>ace2001ac:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller
04:51<gizmokaka>2.6.18-6-686 -> kernel
04:51<cahoot_>and what alsaversion did you install?
04:51<jm_>yeah you need snd-hda-intel module
04:51<gizmokaka>please aducate me on how to fix this so i do it now and know from now on
04:51<jm_>gizmokaka: and newer kernel
04:52<gizmokaka>just install this two
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04:52<gizmokaka>and everything should get to work?
04:52<jm_>just install newer kernel from etchandahalf or backports and you should be all set
04:53<gizmokaka>thanks i will try that
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05:11<gizmokaka>jm_: sorry but don't know how to do what you suggested
05:11<gizmokaka>i tried looking around for some clear info but didn't find
05:11<gizmokaka>shouldn't i only compile kernel from debian?
05:11<Riley_>jm_ thanks for fielding everyone's questions
05:12<Riley_>is there a dpkg flag that'll force an install of a given .deb, regardless of dependency conflicts?
05:12<gizmokaka>from the official debian site
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05:15<`>gizmokaka, what's yours wardware ?
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05:16<jm_>Riley_: yeah --force-help
05:16<Riley_>jm_ thanks
05:16<jm_>!tell gizmokaka about etchandahalf
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05:16<Wesley>Hi jm_, do you remember the problem I had installing grub/lilo? it kept faling. we then tried to do it from a live cd .. mount it and then install grub which did work. however next time I rebooted it failed to startup again.. could this be a bad raid card or something?
05:17<jm_>Wesley: wait are you using fakeraid?
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05:21<Wesley>jm_, no it's a real 3ware raid card
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05:22<Wesley>I tried to scan both disks with the seagate disk check tool aswell.. all returned OK
05:23<Wesley>so I guess I can rule out bad sectors on the disks
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05:24<macpower>When I use mgetty, I open var/log/mgetty/mg_ttyUSB0.log, and it's block on waiting for ``CONNECT''
05:24<macpower>what's porblem please?
05:25<jm_>Wesley: define "failed to start again" then
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05:35<julioh>mamenlo sapos
05:35<julioh>joder cana equivocado
05:35<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
05:35<dpkg>from memory, #debian-it is Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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05:49<Riley_>update-rc.d is no longer in my path now that I tried to force-install sysvinit and initscripts
05:50<Riley_>... I assume this means that I have FUBAR'd so badly that apt-get is no longer an option?
05:50<macpower>somebody can help me please?
05:50<jm_>Riley_: you need sysvc-rc for update-rc.d
05:50<jm_>sysv-rc too
05:52<`>macpower, what's yours hardware?
05:52<Riley_>[ :/usr/src/linux# dpkg --install sysv-rc_2.86.ds1-59_all.deb ]
05:52<Riley_>[ dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. ]
05:52<Riley_>I'm in recursive hell
05:52*moshii 48k spectrum here
05:53<`>moshii, ?
05:53<jm_>echo 'exit 0' > somehwre/in/path/but/not/usr/sbin/update-rc.d
05:53<themill>Riley_: do you not have /usr/sbin/update-rc.d any more?
05:53<Riley_>-> /usr/bin it is, I'll try this
05:53<Riley_>themill it's been a long night.
05:53<macpower>My hardware is a modem siemens
05:53<jm_>Riley_: make sure to delete it from there immediately after you install sysv-rc
05:54<macpower>and i use a pc debian linux
05:54<moshii>macpower: you need to state your problem in full. see !ask
05:54<macpower>In the first time , launch mgetty
05:54<macpower>so i have
05:54<macpower>06/12 11:55:00 SB0 mgetty: interim release 1.1.35-Feb22
05:54<macpower>06/12 11:55:00 SB0 check for lockfiles
05:54<macpower>06/12 11:55:00 SB0 locking the line
05:54<macpower>06/12 11:55:00 SB0 lowering DTR to reset Modem
05:54<macpower>06/12 11:55:01 SB0 send: ATZ[0d]
05:54<macpower>06/12 11:55:01 SB0 waiting for ``OK'' ** found **
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05:55<themill>dpkg: tell macpower about paste
05:55<macpower>it's good
05:55<macpower>after i phone on my debian
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05:56<`>macpower, phone on ?
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05:57<moshii>I keep getting this problem with Amarok, I stop it playing but it's still locking the audio so when I tell it to play again it pukes up an error about the output device being in use.
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05:57<macpower>I composed my phone number for acces on my pc debian
05:59<`>moshii, my hw is HP_2600A
05:59<moshii>`: that's nice.
05:59<`>from 1972 ...
06:00<Riley_>okay, apt-get just asked me to type in a really long confirmation.
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06:00<`>moshii, want to see that ?
06:01<jm_>Riley_: no do not proceed
06:01<Riley_>mmm I just force-installed all three of those packages
06:01<Riley_>the reason I don't have update-rc.d is because I (accidentally?) uninstalled them earlier
06:01<moshii>`: I'm fine thanks.
06:01<Riley_>my system is very broken
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06:02*moshii wonders if the APUS kernels will run lenny.. hmm
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06:03<Riley_>I think this all stems from me entering "apt-get upgrade" instead of "apt-get dist-upgrade" on a system that's never seen the internet and was installed 2 years ago
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06:03<jm_>Riley_: more likely it's caused by the fact you're more than 1 version behind
06:04<Riley_>jm_ would dist-upgrade not have handled that?
06:04<jm_>Riley_: as you noticed, nope -- the e2fsprogs error is a typicall indication of that
06:04<dpkg>methinks e2fsprogs is
06:05<Riley_>jm_ holy crap I forgot about all the debian
06:05<Riley_>jm_ "versions" -> woody, sid, sarge
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06:05<Riley_>jm_ ... eh I think I'm going to go cry myself to sleep and wake up and try to continue messing with apt-get until it works
06:06<Riley_>jm_ for the record, is there an easy way to get enough init scripts to restart this machine? (see as right now I have none)
06:06<jm_>Riley_: if you get it to boot :)
06:06<Riley_>jm_ oh I wouldn't turn this thing off for the world
06:06<moshii>Riley_: debootstrap a new system somewhere and replace the running one
06:07<jm_>Riley_: I would simply reinstall it if you don't care about the data on it
06:07<moshii>jm_: hopefully his/her /home and /var are seperate fs's
06:07<Riley_>... I could download a new xbox-live cd somewhere
06:07<Bleupomme>Hello I just dist-upgraded from an etch to testing and I get an weird error : .Could anyone help me please?
06:08<Riley_>haha I don't think I have any data on this
06:08<moshii>Riley_: oh, it's xebian or something?
06:08<Riley_>but it's got some strange xbox bootloader
06:08<jm_>moshii: I doubt he has valuable data on a xbox
06:08<Riley_>from 2 years ago
06:08<jm_>moshii: it *was* xebian :P
06:08<Riley_>like literally 2 days after xbox-linux was created
06:08<Riley_>sooo the packages are a little old.
06:08<moshii>Riley_: there was a guy here a while ago that had the same sort of issues getting his xbos running a newer release..
06:09<Riley_>... me?
06:09<Riley_>I've been here since like 6 hours ago.
06:09<moshii>Riley_: I mean a month or so
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06:09<Riley_>yeah, to be honest, I think linux on the xbox is a little gimmicky
06:09<Riley_>buuttttt I want a *nix mediacenter for my new apt.
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06:10<moshii>Riley_: I had the same idea, then I realised the xbox wouldn't be able to handle x264
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06:10<jm_>Bleupomme: try removing whatever is owning depmod
06:10<Riley_>moshii ... it can't?
06:10<Riley_>moshii I hadn't even started thinking about codecs
06:10<moshii>Riley_: 64meg of ram and a 733 celeron.. no
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06:11<Riley_>moshii but it can handle...
06:11<Riley_>moshii jpg.
06:11<Riley_>moshii and really, maybe that's all I need
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06:11<moshii>Riley_: most xvid would be fine too
06:12<Bleupomme>jm_: I don't understand your answer
06:12<jm_>Bleupomme: it's complaining about /sbin/depmod - remove the package owning this file
06:12<moshii>Riley_: what kernel version is available for the xbox?
06:12<Bleupomme>jm_: ok will try thanks
06:13<Riley_>moshii 2.4.32
06:13<Riley_>moshii the "community" is like a 23 person irc room
06:13<moshii>Riley_: mmm yeah, it might be best to only upgrade to sarge then
06:14<Riley_>moshii honestly these debian versions make no sense to me -> I use gentoo
06:14<moshii>Riley_: well, newer stuff is going to want a 2.6 kernel.. be it debian, gentoo, whatever
06:14<moshii>Riley_: and if it's a media center it's not like you need security support
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06:15<Riley_>moshii / jm_ : you're not going to believe this but... it's working
06:15<Riley_>after dpkg --force-depends --install on a few packages, then apt-get -f install while-removing-the-ones-I-force-nstalled
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06:16<Riley_>I'm not successfully apt-get installing sysvinit
06:16<Bleupomme>jm_: I cannot remove depmod - package module-init-tools. If I try it wants to deinstall all my kernels
06:16<Riley_>ah wait, needs aalib, apt-get install aalib1 gives me "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2"
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06:17<Riley_>it's 3:17, this is ludicrous
06:17<jm_>Bleupomme: does it work if you remove it with dpkg and then run apt-get to finish its job?
06:17<Riley_>good night, thanks jm_ and moshii
06:17<Riley_>the struggle continues tomorrow.
06:17<moshii>Riley_: reinstall all packages with dpkg until it works? ;)
06:18*mmoebes hi
06:18<moshii>Riley_: or debootstrap on a pc, put the drive in a pc and copyinto the old systems place
06:18<Bleupomme>jm_: No the kernel packages depend on this
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06:19<jm_>Bleupomme: you'll have to use appropriate --force switch
06:19<Bleupomme>jm_: ok willl try
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06:26<Bleupomme>jm_: ok done. What should I do now?
06:26<jm_>Bleupomme: run apt install again
06:27<Bleupomme>jm_: if I try apt-get -f install it installs the package again and gives me the same error
06:27<jm_>Bleupomme: it installs module-init-tools again?
06:28<jm_>Bleupomme: which package is owning /sbin/depmod.modutils ?
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06:34<Bleupomme>jm_: Apparently no packages
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06:34<jm_>Bleupomme: grep depmod /var/lib/dpkg/diversions
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06:40<Bleupomme>jm_: yes both files are displayed
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06:41<jm_>Bleupomme: what does it display?
06:42<jm_>Bleupomme: how did you verify which package owns this file?
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06:43<Bleupomme>I checked on the file search at
06:43<jm_>run dpkg -S '*depmod*'
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06:52<jm_>Bleupomme: I'd say this is a bug in the package, but maybe try installing it with dpkg --overwrite-diverted
06:52<Bleupomme>jm_: ok will try
06:55<Bleupomme>jm_: does not work still the same problem.
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06:57<jm_>Bleupomme: it's trying to remove a diversion which is failing I think, I suppose you should find out which command it uses and then find out how to fix it by hand, or simply report a bug
06:58<jm_>does dpkg -D2 --pending --configure show dpkg-divert being executed?
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07:01<Bleupomme>jm_: Sorry could you guide me through this? I don't understand very well
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07:02<jm_>Bleupomme: try the above command first
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07:02<Bleupomme>jm_: dpkg: --configure --pending does not take any non-option arguments
07:03<Bleupomme>jm_: ok sorry yes it works
07:03<jm_>Bleupomme: did it show dpkg-divert commands?
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07:04<jm_>Bleupomme: ahh rather useless, edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/module-init-tools.postinst and add "set -x" as 2nd line
07:05<jm_>Bleupomme: and also add "set -x" as first line in the function that is called (something like *_gen)
07:05<Bleupomme>jm_: k
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07:08<Bleupomme>jm_: I could not find any _gen files
07:08<Bleupomme>jm_: function sorry doing it
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07:13<jm_>Bleupomme: hmm I can't say what is wrong from reading the man page, I'll try installing this at home
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07:14<jm_>Bleupomme: but it's certainly a bug in the package if you ask me
07:14<Bleupomme>jm_: shouldn't I just remove /sbin/depmod ?
07:15<Bleupomme>jm_: and apt install again?
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07:16<Bleupomme>jm_: if I do that I get the same problem with insmod :)
07:16<jm_>Bleupomme: no that's not the problem, the problem is that it's trying to remove old diversions or somesuch
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07:19<Bleupomme>jm_: I renamed all problematic files to .bak and the installation succeded. I don't know if it was wise :)
07:19<sladi>hi! why would I get "hostname KOPPIX resolved by DNS" at boot? This happens on a diskless Lenny client over nfs and pxe. Server is Lenny too and I got everything from debian repos/servers.^^
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07:20<sladi>hostname is defined differently in /etc/hostname, and server config files too
07:20<sladi>DNS is my router
07:21<sladi>according to my configs
07:21<Bleupomme>jm_: thank you a lot
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07:21<jm_>Bleupomme: but do you now have the real files in /sbin?
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07:36<Bleupomme>jm_: yes
07:36<Bleupomme>jm_: I have the files again
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07:41<jm_>Bleupomme: ok we'll see if someone else runs into this
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07:50<first-lafs>Does anyone knows how to secure my Debian GNU/Linux system?
07:50<first-lafs>Some important issues?
07:51<gsimmons>!tell first-lafs -about securing howto
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07:55<SlayerXP>first-lafs: locate the network cable, then yank it as hard as possible until is comes away from the machine
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07:55<first-lafs>Thanks people.
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08:07<tony>is there any way of converting a Texas Instrument calc into a linux mobile device?
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08:11<Skrat>How can I change my DNS server running Debian Etch? (4.0)
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08:11<petemc>stereo questions
08:11<petemc>Skrat: /etc/resolv.conf
08:11<Skrat>petemc; thanks. :)
08:11<cahoot>got stereo answers too
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08:11<themill>dpkg: tell Skrat about multiple ask
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08:12<Skrat>But some go to OFTC; and not freenode, so your question gets a larger audience... Anywho.
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08:14<thozhoo>hi, i am stuck in the command line (xserver never worked) and i would like to know if there is a way to suppress an error that keeps popping up and also a message about my usb device being reset?
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08:14<jm_>!tell thozhoo -about printk console
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08:15<moshii>mm anyone that can run nmap can start a penetration testing outfit apparently :/
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08:16<moshii>thozhoo: where is the error appearing?
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08:17<tony>trying to convert a TI calc into a linux mobile device, pointers needed
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08:17<tenzin_>hi .. I was doing a "aptitude install libpt-plugins-v4l2" when i get this libpt-1.10.0 is a broken package error ... is libpt-1.10.0 broken in lenny?
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08:20<thozhoo>moshii, i am not sure i understnad the questin
08:20<chealer>tenzin_: which Debian suite do you use?
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08:21<tenzin_>chealer, i am using debian lenny
08:21<Skrat>Dosen't seem to have changed much..
08:21<thozhoo>moshii, i'm in the command line, and it pops up at the bottom of the screen and takes over the bottom line
08:21<Skrat>petemc; I changed the last two lines of /etc/resolv.conf to the ones openDNS tells me to. -- The right thing to do; right?
08:21<moshii>thozhoo: ok, so it's a kernel message
08:21<thozhoo>starts with [numbers], and then i got to hit enter to get my # back
08:22<chealer>tenzin_: did you check the BTS?
08:22<moshii>thozhoo: you could pass the quiet option to the kernel
08:22<tenzin_>chealer, am cheking it right now
08:22<petemc>Skrat: sounds about right
08:24<tenzin_>chealer, there doesnt seem to be any such bug reports in the BTS
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08:27<moshii>Skrat: Isn't opendns evil?
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08:30<chealer>tenzin_: something is wrong with that package, though I don't know what
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08:34<Skrat>moshii; what?
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08:35<moshii>Skrat: I thought opendns was evil, like dumping you to an ad site if you lookup a typo
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08:35<Doris>when running dpkg-buildpackage, what is the minimal fileset needed in debian/ dir to make it complete without errors ?
08:36<moshii>Doris: use a packaging framework like debhelper
08:37<thozhoo>when i try to connect to this server from irssi (differnt computer) i get a "network is unreachable" error, is this because of my network set up or something?
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08:38<Doris>i am, but i need to store the debian file as part of the project in svn, and i dont want to store the unneeded files from debian/
08:38<Skrat>moshii; nope
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08:39<moshii>Skrat: not
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08:40<moshii>ah, so it is the evil one ;)
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08:40<Skrat>No; It's not.
08:41<Skrat>Oh; the changes don't survive a restart
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08:48<GoKuSuPeRsAyAn>ciao a tutti
08:48<dpkg>one warez list being sent to gokusupersayan
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08:49<themill>dpkg: nickometer GoKuSuPeRsAyAn
08:49<dpkg>'GoKuSuPeRsAyAn' is 97.370% lame, themill
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08:49<Skrat>dpkg: nickometer Skrat
08:49<dpkg>'Skrat' is 0.000% lame, skrat
08:49<Skrat>dpkg: nickometer Skratz0r
08:49<dpkg>'Skratz0r' is 97.280% lame, skrat
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08:49<Skrat>3 letters make so much of a difference
08:49<Aleric>dpkg: nickometer Aleric
08:49<dpkg>'Aleric' is 0.000% lame, aleric
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08:50<themill> /msg the bot
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08:50<Skrat>dpkg: nickometer dpkg
08:50<dpkg>'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, skrat
08:50<Skrat>Oh; you would say that wouldn't you.. :P
08:50<betel>how do I make apt-get ignore umet dependencies for already installed packages?
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08:51<themill>!wayttd betel
08:51<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, betel?
08:51<thozhoo>in my xorg log i get an error of "no screens detected" however in the config file i cn see my monitor listed... cna someone else me get Xserver working?
08:52<betel>I'm trying to apt-get install a package, but apt-get fails complaining about unmet dependencies for other already installed packages.
08:52<betel>the other packages are not inportant for teh one Iäm trying to install
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08:52<Skrat>Then remove them..
08:52<betel>but they are important for me :)
08:53<Skrat>Your choice then. :P
08:53<themill>betel: how did you get it into that state?
08:53<betel>I could remove them and reinstall them each time I apt-get something
08:53<Aleric>thozhoo: stop gdm/xdm (I always forget how), and start it with startx as: startx -- -logverbose 5
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08:53<Aleric>or even startx -- -logverbose 6 to see all the gory details on mode/screen selection
08:54<betel>I forced the installation of some unofficial compiz packages but they work perfectly good.
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08:55<betel>themill: so I want apt-get to forget about them for the moment
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08:55<themill>betel: you can't. Please don't force things with apt or dpkg. They're not designed for that. Please leave your dirty rpm habits at the door.
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08:57<betel>themill: ok. I guess I deserve some punishment. :)
08:58<betel>from apt-get that is
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09:00<Zathraz>hi. Older versions of SWAT (Samba) just provided access on port 901. Now there is a login needed. Just apache does not provide a Realm popup. How should I enable this?
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09:01<fanto666>Hello, my CPU supports dynamic acceleration, I have acpi_cpufreq mode loaded and "conservative" governor used. Will that automat(g)ically activete the Dynamic Acceleration, or do I need to do something if I want to benefit from it? I have 2.6.24 kernel loaded
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09:03<cahoot>fanto666: dynamic accel is something else than ondemand?
09:04<fanto666>cahoot: it's a feature to turn offf one core and overclock another one
09:04<cahoot>I see
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09:04<jm_>fanto666: that's done entirely in hardware
09:04<fanto666>jm_: automatically ot can I request it?
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09:05<jm_>fanto666: AFAIK it's all automatic
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09:23<mejo>since some weeks, vlc doesn't play any movies on my (uptodate) debian/sid system any longer. i don't see a video at all, only the audio works.
09:24<mejo>the same issue is with totem. xine plays the movie, but with video issues as well: the colors are inverted or something like that.
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09:24<mejo>only video player that works currently is mplayer (from the repository)
09:25<Aleric>Hmm, I had inversed colors once... I think a reboot solved it.
09:26<mejo>no, i reboot my system regularly, that doesn't help
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09:28<mejo>i'm not sure, but maybe that has to do with the ongoing ffmpeg transition?
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09:30<Aleric>mejo: Then try to apt-get purge every installed package related to ffmpeg, and then reinstalling everything that was removed...
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09:44<wferi>Hi! Why is loading firewall rules from an init.d script not recommended?
09:45<Ganneff>who says that?
09:45<Aleric>Probably because it's too late
09:45<wferi>on Sarge.
09:45<Ganneff>Aleric: *depends*
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09:55<someguy112>hi, i think a person called stew recommeded that i run dpkg-reconfigure to get my xorg working. this did not work.
09:55<Sulfar>hi... i've got a small problem i cant seem to fix... i use fvwm, and configured alt-arrow to move through the pager... it won't work anymore if i use startx... if i just start xinit and then start fvwm from the console window you get, everything works fine...
09:56<someguy112>he told me to come back and share my log and config file if it didn't
09:56<someguy112>can someone help me? i don't see him in here.
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09:57<mejo>Aleric: that doesn't help either (purge && reinstall)
09:57<Aleric>mejo: Which packages did you purge?
09:58<someguy112>i get a "fatal error: no screens found" in my Xorg log file, but in my config file i can see my monitor can someone help me fix this?
09:58<Aleric>hikaru:~>dpkg -l | grep ffmp | wc --lines
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09:58<Aleric>I bet that removing those 17 will remove another 100 packages?
09:59<Aleric>someguy112: Did you see what I said before?
09:59<Sulfar>someguy112: i've had that problem a while ago... trying to remember how i fixed it... but can't ;p
10:00<mejo>Aleric: libxine1-ffmpeg libswscale0 libavformat52 libavdevice52 gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-full ffmpeg libsox-fmt-ffmpeg libxine1-plugins xine-ui libquicktime1 dvdrip vlc vlc-nox mozilla-plugin-vlc libvlc0 transcode mjpegtools libmjpegtools0 subtitleripper libsox-fmt-all libx264-59 libavcodec51 mencoder mplayer libasound2-plugins mozilla-mplayer totem totem-common totem-plugins totem-xine totem-gstreamer libtwolame0 libavutil49 libxine1-x libsox-fmt-gsm
10:00<someguy112>aleric, i dont' think so...
10:00<Aleric>Assuming you are thozhoo, I said: <Aleric> thozhoo: stop gdm/xdm (I always forget how), and start it with startx as: startx -- -logverbose 6 to see all the gory details on mode/screen selection
10:00<Sulfar>Aleric: would you happen to know the answer to my alt-arrow problem with fvwm ;p
10:01<someguy112>yes. i do remember that.
10:01<mejo>Aleric: but indeed it seems to be related to ffmpeg transition: see bugreports #482831, #482894, #483000, #483052 for vlc.
10:01<Aleric>mejo: maybe it's really broken at the moment... I don't know, I use testing
10:02<Aleric>I doubt it though
10:02<mejo>that even explains why mplayer (from repository) works: afaik it has it's own decoder libs, and doesn't use ffmpeg at all
10:02<someguy112>aleric, i could not figure out how to stop gdm either... i guess i'll put a little more time into that
10:02<mejo>Aleric: at least all video players that do use the ffmpeg libs are broken, so it is related to ffmpeg
10:03<dpkg>from memory, gdm is the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console)
10:03<someguy112>sulfar, i think last time i installed suse, i had to fix bus infor or soemting... i've tired everthing but i don't remember how i fixed it last time either
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10:03<Aleric>Hmm, doesn't say how to stop it.
10:03<Aleric>Actually, I stopped mine once and I can't get it to start again - lol
10:04<mejo>stop gdm with /etc/init.d/gdm stop from a vc.
10:04<mejo>or what do you mean with 'stop gdm'?
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10:05<someguy112>on a tangent, i thought debian used kde?
10:05<mejo>simply run '/etc/init.d/gdm stop' from a virtual console (not a terminal emulator in X!), then do whatever you want (startx, for example) and after you killed X again, just restart gdm with '/etc/init.d/gdm start'
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10:06<Skrat>mejo; or just type gdm
10:06<mejo>someguy112: it's your choice, but the default desktop task installs gnome
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10:06<mejo>Skrat: better to use debians infrastructure to manage services than start them manually.
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10:07<Skrat>Hardly manually; but point taken.
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10:08<mejo>Skrat: for gdm it might make no difference, but many init scripts do more than simply starting the daemon.
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10:10<mejo>see the exim4 init script for example, it parses the split configuration files into a merged one if you changed anything below /etc/exim4/conf.d/. afterwards it actually starts the daemon
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10:11<mejo>Skrat: or apache2 init script, it starts htcacheclean and the httpd daemon.
10:12<someguy112>well between mejos help and yours aleric, i think i get how to stop gdm and move from there. i'm sure i'll be back if it does not work. it sucks that i can't connect with irssi for some reason.
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10:14<Aleric>What is the command again to change the symbolic links in /etc/init.d ?
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10:14<mejo>Aleric: you mean update-rc.d?
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10:15<mejo>Aleric: but that one changes the links in /etc/rc*.d/, which point to /etc/init.d/ scripts.
10:15<Aleric>I just looked through all of /sbin, /usr/sbin, and man -k init, man -k level and man -k check (I think the name contains 'check' or 'chk', while it doesn't check but changes things.. that's why I can't remember it), but can't find it :/
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10:17<mejo>Aleric: you can use sysv-rc-conf as configuration tool
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10:17<mejo>Aleric: and you should not have symbolic links under /etc/init.d/, but rather scripts. the symlinks should rather be in /etc/rc*.d/
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10:20<mejo>Aleric: and you mean some way to change the runlevels in which a service is started/stopped? update-rc.d or more comfortable: sysv-rc-conf
10:20<Aleric>Hmm, I think they changed the name. update-rc.d seems to do what I wanted.
10:20<Aleric>You could also print list...
10:21<Aleric>It was chklevel gdm 3 on (for example), to turn gdm on in runlevel 3.
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10:21<Aleric>Or chklevel list 3
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10:21<Aleric>to see what is on in runlevel 3
10:21<Aleric>But I don't have a chklevel anymore :/
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10:22<mejo>Aleric: seems like it doesn't exist in the archive at all: 'apt-file search chklevel' gives no result
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10:27*Skrat waves
10:27*Skrat says bai
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10:31<Sulfar>mejo: just look at the symlinks in /etc/rc<runlevel>.d ?
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10:55<MotoHoss>How do I properly (the way debian) disable ipv6 after a default install or at least make sure?
10:56<Ganneff>blacklist ipv6 module
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10:57<MotoHoss>in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases should read alias net-pf-10 off ?
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11:02<wferi>Hi! ifup eth0 prints (the script fails indeed, this is OK):
11:02<wferi>run-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/gentables exited with return code 2
11:02<wferi>but then brings the interface up nevertheless. Isn't it supposed to abort (cf. man interfaces)?
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11:04<metal_dj>i need help
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11:04<Burner>metal_dj, just ask your question
11:05<metal_dj>actually so desperate here to figure out the error
11:05<metal_dj>it's in my routing table, i can't ping the public ip
11:05<metal_dj>i got 2 ethernet cards
11:06<metal_dj>one for the public, and the other one is for the private
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11:06<metal_dj>i'll paste my routing table
11:07<Aleric>wferi: I do a 'pre-up /etc/firewall/ansset.fw' in /etc/network/interfaces ... I never really tested what happens if that command returns non-zero though
11:08<metal_dj> - my routing table
11:09<Burner>i'll have a look
11:09<metal_dj>do you want to see my interfaces?
11:09<Aleric>metal_dj: ifconfig -a
11:10<metal_dj>ifconfig -a won't help
11:10<Aleric>I can show you mine, maybe that helps (I have a simular setup)
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11:10<Aleric>It won't help?
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11:11<metal_dj>i mean the ifconfig -a
11:11<MotoHoss>Ganneff : in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases the aliases line is commented out so it is off. <--correct?
11:11<metal_dj> - my interfaces
11:11<Aleric>Well, if you say so... *wanders off*
11:12<metal_dj>Aleric - do you have a debian box with 2 lan card?
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11:13<metal_dj>Burner, i already paste my interfaces -
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11:16<wferi>Aleric: Yes, that works. But the return code of the separate script is ignored.
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11:16<metal_dj>what did you see burner?
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11:18<Burner>metal_dj, im on phone, sorry
11:18<metal_dj>its ok
11:18<metal_dj>do you live in the US? i can call you
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11:20<metal_dj>so desperate to resolve this routing table
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11:24<Bushmills>metal_dj: what debian branch is that?
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11:25<metal_dj>the latest
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11:26<Bushmills>metal_dj: lenny or etch?
11:27<metal_dj>do we have a command to know it?
11:27<metal_dj>because i have no idea right now
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11:27<petemc>metal_dj: your config looks fine - what is the debian box physically plugged into?
11:28<Bushmills>yeah. grep main /etc/apt/source.list | head -1 , paste t hat output
11:28<Bushmills>sry. sources.list
11:28<Bushmills>grep main /etc/apt/sources.list | head -1
11:28<metal_dj>is that mine bushmills?
11:28<Bushmills>metal_dj: yours
11:29<metal_dj>petemc, did you see my routing table?
11:29<petemc>i did
11:29<metal_dj>etch bushmills
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11:29<metal_dj>i can feel that i have some error in my routing table
11:29<Bushmills>metal_dj: what does iptables -L -n show?
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11:30<metal_dj>let me check on that
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11:31<metal_dj>my iptables -
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11:31<Bushmills>not being able to ping your address is not iptables related.
11:32<petemc>metal_dj: whats the problem anyway? i can ping your ip
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11:32<petemc>64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=48 time=358 ms
11:32<eshat>Hello everybody
11:32<eshat>damn, i love irssi, it is GREAT
11:32<metal_dj>me i can't
11:32<eshat>is there any better irc terminal client
11:32<petemc>metal_dj: from where?
11:32<eshat>i don't think so
11:32<metal_dj>did you try to do the ssh?
11:33<petemc>SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9etch2
11:33<petemc>no problem there
11:33<metal_dj>this is weird
11:33<metal_dj>now i can ping the ip
11:33<eshat>anyone expirienced with mutt ?
11:33<metal_dj>let me check if i can remote the box
11:34<petemc>eshat: plenty of people
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11:34*darsie uses kvirc
11:34<eshat>darsie: is that a console friendly one ?
11:34<darsie>no, it's kde app
11:35<darsie>but isn't irssi an X app, too?
11:35<eshat>darsie: no
11:35<metal_dj>how come i cant ping any ip or site inside the box?
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11:35<Burner>metal_dj, whats the output of: ip route show all
11:35<petemc>metal_dj: you may be going through a restrictive firewall
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11:35<darsie>metal_dj: do you have a lo interface? Try ifconfig -a
11:35<metal_dj> - my ping inside the box
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11:36<petemc>metal_dj: check /etc/resolv.conf
11:36<metal_dj>yes i got lo
11:36<Bushmills>dns problem
11:36<Bushmills>nothing to do with route
11:36<metal_dj>yes i got lo interfaces
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11:37<Bushmills>show your /etc/resolv.conf
11:37<metal_dj>this is what i got in the resolv.conf - # generated by NetworkManager, do not edit!
11:37<darsie>metal_dj: Do you really mean, say, you are on host x and you can't ping localhost?
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11:37<metal_dj>don't understand why i dont' hve the dns inside the box
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11:37<metal_dj>let me edit the resolv.conf
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11:38<metal_dj>what should be the output for resolv.conf?
11:38<metal_dj>thanks, just a sec
11:38<petemc>substituting for your nameserver addresses
11:38<fxiny>1234 won't resolve , try
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11:40<Bushmills>your probably want to pick a philipine public DNS server here
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11:42<fxiny>a phil dns ? is like vlad the impaler driving an ambulance !
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11:43<Bushmills>well, at least a somewhat more local DNS
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11:44<darsie>metal_dj: Your ISPs nameservers are probably and
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11:44<metal_dj>its good now guys!!!
11:45<metal_dj>this is a great day!
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11:45<metal_dj>but let me double check it again
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11:46<metal_dj>one more thing guys
11:47<metal_dj>how come if i ping the public ip from the network of the private ip, it won't reply?
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11:47<metal_dj>but everything outside is good?
11:47<petemc>metal_dj: you havent got ip forwarding enabled
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11:48<metal_dj>this is the result when i try to ping - Reply from Destination host unreachable.
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11:50<metal_dj>anybody guys?
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11:51<Burner>metal_dj, whats the output of: ip route show all
11:51<metal_dj>just a sec
11:52<darsie>is ip installed by default?
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11:52<metal_dj>my ip route -
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11:52<Burner>yes, "route" is kinnda depricated
11:53<metal_dj>i have no idea with this stuff
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11:53<metal_dj>what should be done from that burner?
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11:54<Burner>your routes are fine
11:55<Azhrarn_>just curious, has there been any talk about a real qmail package in debian since it went public domain?
11:55<Azhrarn_>poked around a bit, but didn't see much
11:55<petemc>Azhrarn_: there was some talk, yes
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11:55<Burner>well, should not be able to ping your externel ip, so thats expected
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11:56<Azhrarn>do you know which list it was on?
11:56<Burner>can you ping from the server itself?
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11:56<petemc>Azhrarn: not off hand, no
11:57<Azhrarn>ok, thanks :)
11:57<metal_dj>yes burner
11:57<gsimmons>Azhrarn: debian-devel, IIRC.
11:57<metal_dj>but how come there a box here but it was made from another guy, the box can ping the public and that box is also inside the network
11:57<Azhrarn>ahh ok, I just came across the announcement now when looking up some other stuff, and it made me happy to hear
11:57<metal_dj>network from the private
11:57<Burner>Azhrarn, im pretty sure the debian maintainers are waiting for a new stable branch of qmail
11:58<petemc> metal_dj as ive told you, ip forwarding
11:58<gsimmons>Azhrarn: See also bug #457318 in the BTS.
11:58<Azhrarn>yeah, it's half patches currently
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11:58<metal_dj>petemc, what should i do for the ip forwarding?
11:58<petemc>read up on it
11:59<petemc>echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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11:59<metal_dj>it would be great to help, then later i will understand the docu
11:59<petemc>metal_dj: its generally better to understand what it is you're doing rather than getting people on irc to shoot commands at you
11:59<metal_dj>i know
11:59<metal_dj>i understand you concern
12:00<petemc>im not concerned
12:00<metal_dj>i just meeting some deadlines
12:00<petemc>then it is you who should be concerned
12:01<Burner>metal_dj, you probably want to set your box up to act as a router for the local network, if you never did this before i suggest using a premade script like shorewall etc.
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12:01<Burner>at least untill you have read up on iptables and linux routing
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12:08<jthomas>I am trying to set up virtual hosting but I am failing. I have a site in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and its linked to sites-enabled; i have the IP " showroom" in the hosts file; when i use "links showroom" i tget, "Cannor read file:///root/howroom" but that isn't where my virthost is pointing. Can anyone help me?
12:08<jthomas>wow poor spelling there.
12:09<Azhrarn>try links http://showroom/
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12:10<jthomas>lol sometime its just overthought... that was simple enough, thanks a lot, i was going nuts.
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12:10<Azhrarn>Yeah, little things like that always sneak in
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12:10<Azhrarn>you get used to it after you have enough cron jobs mysteriously "not work" because you used relative paths
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12:12<Nkore>hi there
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12:13<Nkore>does anybody knows where i could find a precompiled debiandoc2html ? or the necessary files like perl modules? .. i dont have debian yet
12:14<Nkore>i think in all distros
12:14<Nkore>(debian distros)
12:14<Nkore>if somebody could email me it, im very glad
12:15<anton_>what does it do?
12:16<Nkore>is the tool for converting the files in html
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12:16<anton_>converting from what to what?
12:16<Nkore>i need to build the offline browsing for the deb kernel tutorial
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12:17<metal_dj>for example i run nslookup and it doesn't show any info, it means that i got some problem with my resolv.conf right?
12:18<Nkore>this ::>>
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12:18<anton_>try svn -
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12:19<Nkore>anton_ : ok
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12:21<Nkore>anton_: method not allowed
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12:21<Nkore>anton_ : it doesnt works
12:21<panagos>how can i access my bios from within linux?
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12:22<Nkore>panagos: you can read it, getting the dump from the kernel
12:22<panagos>Nkore: how can i do that?
12:22<anton_>Nkore, works for me:
12:22<Torsten_W>panagos: how would you acces your bios from win?
12:22<Nkore>panagos: for access it depends on which one you have
12:23<panagos>Torsten_W: i don't know! :)
12:23<anton_>panagos, normally your bios you press del/F1 at startup. You might be able to read some values in linux but I dont think you can set anything
12:23<panagos>is there no way to get the full machine code from the bios rom?
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12:24<anton_>panagos, you need a bios tool from your bios/motherboard manufacturer
12:24<metal_dj>burner, i'm building a predictive dialer
12:24<panagos>anton_: i see...
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12:26<Nkore>anton_ : and in that way i got the .sgn files that need the debiandoc2html tool that i dont have
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12:27<anton_>Nkore, you need a sgml converter - its not debian specific
12:27<anton_>the debian package i think is "linuxdoc-tools"
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12:30<Nkore>anton_ : k , tnx , i didnt think of that way
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12:37<Burner>panagos, its possible to access, read and write bios data through a device file, but its not a trivial task
12:37<panagos>Burner: i guess it is highly motherboard-dependent?
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12:40<Burner>panagos, i have not played with it, but i read an article about the cmos device a long time ago
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13:07<matek_125>Witam wszystkich
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13:08<matek_125>jest tu jaki¶ Polak?
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13:08<dpkg>rumour has it, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
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13:12<zevarito>hi, I have a problem with a notebook with lenny AMD64 and 2.6.24-1 kernel, on boot apears a message: "Kernel alive Mapping Kernel", slow boot but boot ok I'dont know if report it, can anywone help?
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13:17<matek_125>i have question
13:17<dpkg>updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep
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13:18<matek_125>can i create my debian with my own packages? i'm newbie
13:19<matek_125>someone is here?
13:20<dondelelcaro>matek_125: it's possible, and you can learn how to do it.
13:20<dondelelcaro>matek_125: though in general, most things that you'd want to use are already packaged, so you shouldn't waste your time.
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13:25<MotoHoss>That worked. Anything I should be concerned about?
13:25<Tor-Mentor>anyone here thats any good at rescuing systems with chroot?
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13:25<MotoHoss>rebooted that machine and the module didn't load.
13:26<dondelelcaro>matek_125: best to keep it in the channel; I'm liable to wander off
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13:28<dondelelcaro>matek_125: but in answer to your question, yes I code.
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13:29<Tor-Mentor>im having problems with chroot to rescue my system... i need to install some packages and i get access denied on everything
13:29<dondelelcaro>Tor-Mentor: you'll have to give us the precise errors and the output of cat /proc/mounts; on that system.
13:30<Tor-Mentor>well... lets do it like this then
13:31<Tor-Mentor>i fucked up an installtion of linux-image-2.6*. Apt-get prompted me to remove the old. Not removing resulted in loads of errors so I took a chance
13:31<matek_125>what is better netinst or download all 3 DVD?
13:31<dondelelcaro>matek_125: up to you
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13:31<dondelelcaro>matek_125: if you're always going to have a network connection, you just need the netinst.
13:31<dondelelcaro>matek_125: if you have a good connection now, and won't in the future, get the DVDs.
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13:32<dondelelcaro>the end result is going to be the same, no matter what media you choose.
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13:32<Tor-Mentor>now theres nothing except grub in /boot/. so i booted up a ubuntu live cd and did 'chroot /media/disk /bin/bash'
13:32<lostone>got a quick question. fresh install. i'm at the partitioning stage of the install. i wanted to use "encrypted LVM" but the only option is to use the whole disk. is there any way to do this without using the whole disk?
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13:33<dondelelcaro>lostone: use the manual partitioner
13:33<matek_125>what does netinst contain? i have connection network but it isnt good...
13:33<dondelelcaro>matek_125: it has just enough stuff to install using the network
13:33<lostone>dondelelcaro: ok. how do i designate that i want it to be encrypted lvm
13:34<dondelelcaro>I don't actually know that bit; check the install guide
13:34<Tor-Mentor>dondelelcaro: are you with my so far? or do you really need the output of /proc/mounts?
13:34<dondelelcaro>Tor-Mentor: yes.
13:34<matek_125>then so to choose netinst?
13:34<Tor-Mentor>dondelelcaro, yes to what? =)
13:34<dondelelcaro>matek_125: up to you; I use netinst almost exclusively.
13:34<dondelelcaro>Tor-Mentor: I need what I asked for originally
13:34<dondelelcaro>(or at least, the channel does)
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13:36<Tor-Mentor>you want the /proc/mounts from the real system right? not the live cd?
13:36<matek_125>OK thank you for the help. Bye
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13:36<dondelelcaro>Tor-Mentor: they'll be exactly the same.
13:36<Tor-Mentor>even when i chroot?
13:36<dondelelcaro>Tor-Mentor: yes.
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13:38<Tor-Mentor>omg its a wall of text.... and im not currently on irc on the same computer
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13:39<Tor-Mentor>im gonna install xchat on the affected system...brb
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13:43<Tor-Mentor>dondelelcaro: you want any specific part of the /proc/mounts?
13:43<Tor-Mentor>maybe the real disk?
13:44<dondelelcaro>Tor-Mentor: that's the most important part, but the whole thing would be ideal. Use a paste site to give it to us.
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13:45<MotoHoss>I did that incorrectly. module blacklisting :
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13:46<dondelelcaro>Tor-Mentor: first, you've got /dev/sda1 mounted over the top of /media/disk, which isn't what you want.
13:46<dondelelcaro>Tor-Mentor: second, you want to mount /dev/sda1 on something like /mnt/temp or similar without the nodev,nosuid options
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13:56<ubuntu>dondelelcaro: that made that problem go away... now i can install on the real /
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13:59<Tor-mentor>its seems as it has gone well. I will try to reboot now
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14:01<jla>I've had a nagging minor issue with the debian installer graphical manual partition tool (partman?) for a while. Occasionally I want /boot, / and swap in primary partitions and then /var /usr /tmp and /home in a particualr order in the extended partiton. I set it all up, and when I tell it to write, it re-orders stuff, sometimes even moving items between 1-3 and 5-*.
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14:01<jla>I have tried looking for an answer in case I was doing something wrong, but my search terms must be wrong or I'm the only one seeing this (or bothered enough to mention it)
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14:02<dondelelcaro>jla: probably best to file a bug documenting exactly the procedures to get it to happen if one isn't filed already
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14:03<fxiny>jla: is it a partition order problem ?
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14:04<jla>dondelelcaro: I'll do that the next time it happens to me. I should have taken more careful notes. Usually I say fine! I'll see you in cfdisk! :)
14:04<jla>fxiny: I don't know. I am able to do about the same thing in cfdisk or fdisk. I can do the order I want there anyway, even if the sizes aren't exactly the same.
14:05<fxiny>jla: fdisk x(pert) f(fix) it
14:05<jla>then I have to note where I put what so that I can sort it back out to fstypes and mount points.
14:06<jla>fxiny: is that right from the graphical installer? I haven't noticed that. I just go to shell.
14:06<fxiny>jla: maybe is because you played deleting partitions so the order changed
14:07<fxiny>i'd follow dondelecaro suggestion but i'd fix it with fdisk
14:07<jla>fxiny: I don't think so, this happens with a blank disk. I set them all up in a specific order so #1, #2, #3, #5, #6, etc look right, then it changes when I write.
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14:09<dondelelcaro>jla: yeah, that's often what happens with bugs like that; multiple people see them, but no one actually files the bug.
14:09<jla>fxiny: it's also happened with a disk that had partitions and I deleted them all with the graphical tool
14:09<dondelelcaro>(so the maintainer never fixes it)
14:10<jla>dondelelcaro: or even posts about it. I'm guilty. I'll do that next time I reproduce it :)
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14:11<fxiny>jla: creating partition then deleting some and creating again can do that , the order changes , fixining it with fdisk is trivial
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14:15<jla>fxiny: perhaps I've done that, but it doesn't seem like it. I may have created in partman, deleted and created again, but before I write isn't it all just in partman's memory and not committed to the partition table? I'm still trying to find this fdisk x(pert) f(fix) path you mention.
14:16<maxb>ooh, wish I had known about fdisk x f before :-)
14:16<maxb>I ended up doing the same with sfdisk and vim to reorder the entries a little while ago
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14:17<fxiny>jla: iirc deleting commits to the partition table
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14:18<jla>fxiny: that might be it then. Seems odd that a new 'in memory only' partition should have to tell the partition table anything if I delete it.
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14:18<fxiny>because it must read from the partiton table to see if a new partiton (say a primary) is correct , something like this
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14:18<jla>I see the fdisk options - within fdisk. I'll have to play with them sometime.
14:19<effo>i have a question about wifi, rt73. I've apt-get install firmware-ralink but nothing happens when i insert the usb stick. What am I doing wrong?
14:19<fxiny>is not in memory , how can partman know how many partitions you already have ?
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14:20<fxiny>if you created and deleted after i don't think is a bug
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14:22<valdyn>effo: other than you having no driver for that card?
14:23<valdyn>effo: whats in dmesg about it?
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14:25<effo>valdyn: dmesg just says a new full speed USB device is added
14:25<valdyn>effo: so you dont have a driver for that device
14:25<effo>valdyn: ok, I have to compile it myself?
14:26<valdyn>effo: maybe, maybe not, i dont know your debian release, i dont know your kernel
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14:26<valdyn>!info firmware-ralink etch
14:26<valdyn>!info firmware-ralink sid
14:26<effo>valdyn: fresh install etch
14:27<dpkg>firmware-ralink: (Binary firmware for rt61, rt61pci, rt73, rt73usb wireless network drivers), section non-free/admin, is optional. Version: 0.11 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 68 kB
14:27<valdyn>effo: firmware-ralink is not in etch
14:27<valdyn>effo: where'd you get that?
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14:27<valdyn>effo: whats the output of "uname -r"
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14:28<effo>valdyn: got it from
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14:28<effo>valdyn: 2.6.18-6-686
14:29<valdyn>effo: ok
14:29<valdyn>effo: try "aptitude install rt73-modules-$(uname -r)"
14:30<Tor-Mentor>dondelelcaro; thanks for all your help... I managed too install linux-image after your fix
14:30<LSAd>valdyn: i've been reading, there is a patch for load balance connection based
14:31<effo>valdyn: no package matched that description :(
14:31<jla>fxiny: Here's how I would have nievely created a partitioning program: 1) start and read partition table. 2) allow the user to modify an in-memory view of said table. 3) commit changes to disk when the user chooses to write. if they quit, nothing changes. In fact I am quite sure this is how fdisk/cfdisk work.
14:32<valdyn>effo: then try "m-a prepare && m-a a-i rt73"
14:32<valdyn>effo: *maybe* "aptitude install build-essential module-assistant" before that
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14:34<effo>valdyn: what is a-i
14:35<Tor-Mentor>im getting a wierd error that /usr/sbin/termwrap is missing...what package contains that file?
14:35<valdyn>effo: m-a is a shortcut to "module-assistant", you can read the manpage
14:36<dondelelcaro>Tor-Mentor: will tell you
14:36<valdyn>LSAd: and that patch works for you?
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14:41<effo>valdyn: thanks, I'm building now. However it was wrong to use rt73, it seems like it should be rt2x00
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14:42<effo>valdyn: found a page in the wiki
14:43<valdyn>effo: no
14:43<valdyn>effo: in etch rt2x00 is not of decent quality
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14:44<valdyn>effo: and even in 2.6.26-rc5 it isnt
14:44<valdyn>effo: ( though im not saying that it wont work for you ), the rt73 should be stable and reliable
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14:45<effo>valdyn: but if I used as argument rt73, I got the message "rt73? what is rt73?"
14:45<effo>valdyn: so i thought it was wrong to use it...
14:45<valdyn>effo: im looking just at sid packages, let me see about etch
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14:46<valdyn>effo: ah, its not in etch, for whatever reason
14:46<valdyn>effo: go ahead with your rt2x00 then, if that one isnt working out for you, you can still come back
14:47<effo>valdyn: ok. thanks for you help!
14:48<valdyn>effo: rt2x00 is a rewrite, not based on what ralink released, ralink released rt2500 and rt2400, and rt73 bases on that
14:49<valdyn>effo: rt2x00 has a future, but is not really useful for me
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14:49<effo>valdyn: so I should get src from ralink site?
14:49<valdyn>effo: no, all those drivers are in debian
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14:51<marcot>How do I extract a source package, i.e., from .orig.tar.gz .diff.gz and .dsc?
14:51<effo>valdyn: once again, thanks, now my card is deteced at least
14:52<valdyn>marcot: not at all, a "source package" consists of those 3 files
14:52<maxb>marcot: dpkg-source -x the.dsc
14:52<marcot>maxb: thanks.
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14:57<Nkore>anton_ : your suggestion to use another sgml formatter have failed miserabily, too many errors on the kernel.dgml source code, you liar :)
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14:59<Nkore>does somebody give me the debian kernel source code handbook for offline browsing, i dont have the debiandoc2html tool
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15:03<Nkore>or ill get it otherways
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15:08<Tor-Mentor>does anyone know how i can get ahold of termwrap?
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15:08<Tor-Mentor>cant find it on
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15:09<Nkore>no :)
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15:09<Nkore>Tor-Mentor: no
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15:10<client>hi, i keep getting these kernal messages, i've asked pefore and was told to look into printk to stop them
15:10<client>can someone tell me more about that
15:11<client>i'm stuck in command line mode, my Xserv failed
15:11<client>and its hard to try to fix stuff when you keep getting these messages in your way
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15:13<Nkore> client: destroy your xserver and use the ssh from the cell phone :) just joking , im bored , i dunno
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15:16<Nkore>Tor-Mentor: you got a debian running right?
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15:18<Nkore>Tor-Mentor: Please, take me that and conver to html and email me ::, it's simple
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15:20<Nkore>Tor-Mentor: if you have a debian running , i dont have it
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15:20<jla>Nkore: how about wget?
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15:21<rubengonc>is ipv6 enabled by default in debian?
15:22<Nkore>jla: is the other solution, but produces hight traffic on a allready repository server.. i dunno if it's big..
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15:24<dr-evil>rubengonc, yes
15:24<jla>rubengonc: that's a broad question. like 'are all ip packages in Debian IPv6 capable', or 'does the stock kernel do IPv6'
15:24<jla>Nkore: seemed easier than emailing a copy of html pages if you're unable to convert from sgml yourself
15:25<rubengonc>dr-evil, jla , what i really want to do is to disable it :)
15:25<dr-evil>jla, I think the q was about ipv6 option in generic kernel
15:25<rubengonc>jla, i want to know if the modules is loaded by default
15:25<dr-evil>rubengonc, just finished rebuilding kernel with ipv6 disabled ))
15:26<rubengonc>dr-evil, hmm..if it is compiled as a module, we may just "not load" that module
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15:26<dr-evil>i'm too lazy now to check it )
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15:27<jla>rubengonc: I searched for the kernel message "IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver" and found some hits that may help. look for net-pf-10 ipv6 off, net-pf-10 off and ipv6 off.
15:27<rubengonc>dr-evil, in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases there is a commented line that says " #alias net-pf-10 ipv6",
15:28<dr-evil>cat /etc/modprobe.d/aliases | grep ipv
15:28<dr-evil># alias net-pf-2 ipv4
15:28<dr-evil># alias net-pf-10 ipv6
15:28<Nkore>jla: yes.. i know wget lacks a little on follow web links , i ve used always teleport pro on the fujdkin win but now i have only this linux without it , and damn... isnt more simple to run that command and give me that pages? in another upload form if you prefer..
15:28<rubengonc>but the modules is loaded dr-evil as i can see in lsmod
15:29<rubengonc>jla, dr-evil yeah, i think i need to add the " net-pf-10 ipv6 off" line
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15:30<`>Nkore, install subvertion
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15:31<Nkore>`: i got only the sources with subverSion , the sgml that crash on my linux, the main file doesnt "compile" well on my sgmlformatter
15:31<`>Nkore, subversion*
15:31<Nkore>`: :)
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15:32<askasurgu>good night
15:32<askasurgu>is somebody there
15:32<rubengonc>dr-evil, do you know if disabling the modules this way, i still need to disable the ipv6 support in iceweasel?
15:33<Nkore>askasguru : ^^ could you help me?
15:33<Nkore> askasurgu: ^^ could you help me?
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15:34<dr-evil>don't know
15:34<askasurgu>can somebody help me, I formatted my pc, and deleted windows, installed debian, but I have only a wireless access into internet and i cannot use my wlan card with debian, i am very short in the internet, what should i do
15:34<Tor-Mentor>Nkore, the termwrap is found in base-config if your interested... apparently it only need it when it installs at the beginning of install =)
15:34<askasurgu>in this short time, i must download all the files which i need for a wireless acess for debian
15:35<dr-evil>askasurgu, 1. what wifi card you have?
15:35<askasurgu>Atheros AR5005G
15:36*jla mutters as he watches megs of stuff download for debiandoc-sgml and is sure it would be faster/less bandwidth to wget -m
15:36<askasurgu>this is a wireless card integrated in my notebook
15:36<Nkore> askasurgu: good choice man
15:36<Nkore>askasurgu: it is shure compatible
15:36<dr-evil>askasurgu, so google about it install ))
15:37<askasurgu>what should i do, please help me, i have not very much time for the solution
15:37<Nkore>askasurgu: google it man
15:37<guillaume_>askasurgu: do a lspci to give the model of your wifi card
15:37<`>askasurgu, or install with
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15:38<askasurgu>this internet access is not from my notebook, therefore i cannot do a lspci but thank your for the link
15:38<dr-evil>askasurgu, don't think that somebody could help you find a solution for a minimum time
15:39<Nkore>`: give me by this or similar .. i know you can
15:40<zeev>hi, my wireless card doesn't work, here is relevant dmesg part:
15:40<askasurgu>i am going to google it, i do not want to install this customized version of debian
15:40<askasurgu>thank you for all, i will be here later!
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15:42<Nkore>chat: are all paralized ???
15:42<zeev>does anybody have a clue whats wrong?
15:43<askasurgu>do you think that i should use madwifi?
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15:43<Nkore>askasurgu: did you read it on the supported devices list?
15:44<Nkore>askasurgu: go to search it before you go crazy
15:45<askasurgu>i found it on a open suse site, which has a tutorial for installing atheros cards
15:45<Nkore>askasurgu: i think you need more steps if your card doent is supported, mybe is supported, if so i think it works in normal way like the others
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15:46<guillaume_>askasurgu: you have to use iwlwifi for intel wifi chipset, have you try iwlwifi-4965-ucode- from ?
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15:47<askasurgu>thank you i am going to download it
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15:48<Nkore> askasurgu: good luck
15:48<amphi>askasurgu: what kernel are you running?
15:48<kyaneos>where are the manpages for malloc, fork...?? please
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15:48<Bon>Can anyone spot why isnt working? lines 1-48 then lines 172 to end are probably the most relevant..
15:48<kyaneos>thank you very much
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15:51<Nkore>Bon: try::> make -d build or make -v or sh -v or -d configure
15:51<jla>Nkore: 20 minutes and 40mb to install and configure debiandoc-sgml
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15:51<Nkore>tnx jla
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15:52<zeev>hi, my wireless card doesn't work, here is relevant dmesg part:
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15:52<Nkore>jla: i dont know is take so much time, ive taken 5 to compile mine different softawar
15:53<Bon>sorry nkore, im not sure where to try that
15:54<jla>I had to install that package, with all it's depends, and it does a large configure step
15:54<Nkore>Bon: are you config or make ?
15:54<dr-evil>zeev, mb you shoud give it firmware?
15:55<Bon>trying to make the intltool-0.40.0 file, and configure the sound juicer file
15:55<zeev>sorry, didn't understand you
15:55<zeev>whats mb?
15:55<Bon>i can make the intltool, but soundjuicer doesnt recognise its existance so wont configure
15:55<jla>wget of, 88k in less than 30 seconds.
15:56<zeev>dr-evil: whats firmware in my case?
15:56<jla>diff? only the fact that the svn version is one version newer
15:56<Nkore>Bon : so run `sh -x configure` and past more details
15:56<zeev>a driver produced by the hardware manufacturer
15:56<jla>Nkore: so now I've got this 92k directory, but I'm not signing up for that file transfer site.
15:56<Nkore>Bon: on the soundjuicer dir (the last thing you take from teh scritp )
15:57<Bon>nkore, hah, the result out-lined the max on terminal
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15:58<Bon> thats all is available
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15:59<jla>Nkore: msg me connection info
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16:01<Nkore>jla : k?
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16:02<marcot>Hello, I don't want to troll, but to get a view about what debian people think of it. What do you think about what Ian Murdock said in ?
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16:03<marcot>If you have links to send me about what debian guys think about this, I'd be glad to read.
16:03<Tuplad>hey! I have been here a couple of times for my extern hdd that went from ext2 to fat32 overnight but the info is still on there. I was told to cfdisk it and change type to 83, but I'm still kinda doubting, maybe I should just run some kind of diskcheck ?? because I did some command that was told me to on this channel and I got some report that the hd just has problems and needs to be "repaired"
16:03<dr-evil>zeev, I think yes
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16:07<makaraky_>Hello everybody just wanted to know why mkfs.vfat is not under mkfs inmy deb etch and what shoul I download such application
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16:07<Tuplad>anyone ?^^
16:08<Bon>Seeing as i am unable to upgrade sound juicer, is there any wa to find out why my current sound juicer wont actually load?
16:08<jla>makaraky_: dosfstools. also check out the apt-file package.
16:08<dondelelcaro>marcot: he doesn't really say anything that isn't already known
16:09<marcot>dondelelcaro: I just wanted to see other points of view about this.
16:09<makaraky_>jla: I will have a look, thank you
16:09<dondelelcaro>marcot: what in particular about it/
16:09<marcot>dondelelcaro: People defending the way debian is, or explaining why it doesn't change...
16:09<dondelelcaro>marcot: Debian is always changing; sometimes not fast enough, but there is always change.
16:09<Bon>Ahh, nevermind, i solved it. It wasnt happy with my current intltool
16:10<marcot>dondelelcaro: sure... But he sais about release schedule...
16:10<marcot>dondelelcaro: democracy...
16:10<Nkore>Bon : add the line numbers referred to the code executed whit the command
16:10<dondelelcaro>marcot: the democracy bit has little to do with anything; Debian is actually a meritocracy.
16:10<dondelelcaro>marcot: the release schedule has more to do with the people who are willing to do the work than actually setting a schedule
16:11<dondelelcaro>marcot: the problems he points out are the problems, but he doesn't understand the foundation of the problems or see the ways to go to find a solution, primarily because he hasn't actually been actively involved with Debian Development in quite a long period of tim.e
16:11<marcot>dondelelcaro: hum..
16:12<Nkore>dondeclaro: paranoid
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16:12<marcot>dondelelcaro: but from the user point of view is very different to have releases each six months or each 3 years.
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16:13<Bon>Would i be corrent in saying debian (and linux in general) is kinda like true communism? , everyone contributes to the pot in some way and everyone benefits. You cant complain if you arent trying to fix the problems you find?
16:13<dondelelcaro>Bon: sort of
16:13<marcot>dondelelcaro: I follow your reasoning if I think in the developers point of view, but for the users it's not very good to use such outdated software.
16:13<Tuplad>hey, is going from etch to lenny safe ? I mean... I used the netinst cd of etch (wanted to download lenny but downloaded etch by accident)...
16:13<Tuplad>but there's a bunch of software in aptitude
16:13<dondelelcaro>marcot: depends on the users, actually.
16:13<Bon>and by fix i mean doing the best you can, even if this is only POINTING out that the problem exists?
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16:14<dondelelcaro>marcot: but actually doing work always comes from the developers; releasing faster is a great goal, but it takes people to actually do the work.
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16:14<marcot>dondelelcaro: sure... thanks. =)
16:15<Bon>I am a user, I prefer a stable release every 3 years, than multiple part releases every 6 months
16:15<makaraky_>jla: Thanks for the tip newbies you know... :P
16:16<jla>makaraky_: np. I didnt know about that tool for a long time
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16:17<makaraky_>jla: Im trying to make an USB portable linux + win partition for storing files in case of no GNU/Linux OS
16:18<jla>makaraky_: makes sense.
16:19<dr-evil>makaraky, send me a dump plz )
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16:22<makaraky_>dr-evil: Well in fact I'm following a web tutorial plus slightly modification for the extra partition (nothing special just fdisk new part)
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16:22<dr-evil>using tutorial isn't nessesary
16:23<dr-evil>just a dump to dd it on usb flash )
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16:23<makaraky_>dr-evil: Jaja ok, sorry I'm just a newbye :P let my try and if it works I will dump it to you
16:24<dr-evil>I'm here like a bot 24x7 )
16:24<dr-evil>just PM me
16:24<Tuplad>Can I schedule an aptitude dist-upgrade ?
16:24<dr-evil>crontab ?
16:24<makaraky_>dr-evil: No matter if it is a kubuntu? jaja
16:24<Tuplad>dr-evil I'mma try
16:25<Tuplad>dr-evil: I'd like to have it at around 12pm
16:25<dr-evil>makaraky, damn... okay will test it anyway )))
16:25<Tuplad>dr-evil: I remember working like in graphical mode with crontab
16:25<dr-evil>I'm using xfce at home note
16:25<Tuplad>oh I've got it, crontab -e
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16:28<jla>Tuplad: crontab -e will edit a users crontab. it would be more 'normal' to put a system action into /etc/crontab, /etc/cron.d/<action>, or /etc/cron.daily/<action> (not that I encourage unattended dist-upgrade. I do use this to update my package cache)
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16:31<Tuplad>jla: no it's just for once
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16:31<Tuplad>jla: dist upgrade uses a lot of traffic, and here in belgium we've got limited traffic, so I want to do it once, tonight
16:31<jla>you want to have something happen just once? like _at_ 22:00 tonight?, use at
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16:32<Tuplad>tonight at 00:10 lets say
16:32<Tuplad>after 12pm the traffic counts for 50% :)
16:32<jla>use at, then you don't have to remember to take it back out of cron
16:32<jla>but if you want to do it regularly, use cron and I recommend via system cron, not user cron
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16:33<jla>you could have it run on cron and download only so you get the bandwidth savings but then can install later when you decide to
16:34<Tuplad>hmm but now that I think about it
16:34<Tuplad>I'm going from etch to lenny, so lots of software is going to ask for configuration etc.
16:34<Tuplad>but wait, it first downloads all packages and then starts configuring them, so it's all good
16:34<Tuplad>how do I use "at" ?
16:35<jla>I've know a person or two to dist-upgrade unattended, and they swore by it (and I always teased one guy about his twiki install breaking)
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16:35<jla>it's pretty easy. at <time><enter>type command<enter><ctrl-d>
16:36<jla>man at. you could --download-only the dist-upgrade via at
16:36<jla>try a simple invocation for a few minutes from now just to gain practice/confidence
16:37<jla>maybe: touch attest
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16:40<Azhrarn>upgrading unattended is possible, but dist-upgrade can cause major issues
16:40<Azhrarn>because it can uninstall things
16:40<lostone>so. i just complete install and rebooted and after the POST the line GRUB appears and the system doesn't go any further.
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16:41<jla>even upgrade can cause problems when a conf file or policy changes enough - enough to leave your webserver or other service not running or your wiki giving an error.
16:41<Tuplad>um this is just a personal computer
16:41<Tuplad>so dont worry
16:41<Tuplad>no servers
16:41<lostone>a little help
16:41<Tuplad>ok I'll try the at thing
16:42<Azhrarn>yeah, if you're running stable, there should be no conf changes, or something went very drastically wrong
16:42<jla>lostone: what does the last message?
16:42<Tuplad>so at 00:10 <enter> aptitude dist-upgrade <enter> <ctrl+d>
16:42<Tuplad>okay :)
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16:43<Tuplad>yeay !
16:43<Tuplad>I'll try it
16:43<Tuplad>its done
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16:43<Tuplad>lets see how it goes then, thanks :)
16:44<lostone>jla: no message. just "GRUB" then halt
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16:47<jla>lostone: um. I'd just be guessing. I was hoping to hear a stage 1, 1.5 or 2 error message. You can try booting from the install source in rescue mode and re-install grub. My first guess was that perhaps the kernel's idea of where / is didn't match grubs.
16:47<Tuplad>thx y'all
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16:48<angelo>whats the purpose of the lost+found dir ?
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16:50<blarson>angelo: It's for fsck to put files it finds without directory entries
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16:50<angelo>blarson what are the consequences if I delete this dir ?
16:51<amphi>angelo: fsck won't have anywhere to put file fragments
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16:51<angelo>amphi and that will result in ?
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16:51<jla>angelo: the purpose is to be a directory to always figure out how to exlcude when copying, since cp doesn't want --exclude :)
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16:52<angelo>jla what do you mean excluse when copying
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16:52<blarson>angelo: If you have a disk error, you are less likely to able to recover from it.
16:53<jla>angelo: nothing important to your question I'm sure. I've never thought about deleting it. it's pretty standard on ext2/3 filesystem roots for the reason amphi said.
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16:54<Azhrarn>will fsck freeze up if the dir isn't there? Or will it recreate the folder?
16:54<Azhrarn>never bothered deleting it to find out
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16:55<blarson>Azhrarn: It can't safely recreate it.
16:55<angelo>hmm well its not really essential ... but the drive mounted in a dir just has that dir on my samba share .. wich bothers me just a littel
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16:56<Azhrarn>you can probably tell samba to not share it
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16:56<jla>I can see how that's annoying. I don't know offhand if there is a way to hide it in samba
16:57<lostone>* jla
16:57<angelo>jla can I make it a hidden folde r?
16:57<jla>there is probably a way. I was just wondering the same
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16:58<amphi>angelo: or you could share a subdirectory rather than / of the partition, perhaps
16:58<jla>angelo: see 'veto files' in smb.conf man page
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17:00<jla>lostone: don't ask to ask, just ask. maybe I go afk but someone else could answer.
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17:01<lostone>yeah. so is there a way to boot into debian using just the install dvd?
17:01<lostone>grub didn't quite make it.
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17:02<jla>yes, you can do rescue mode. see the part where it says "hit Fn for more boot options"
17:02*jla doesn't remember what fkey
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17:16<lostone>so i'm in rescue mode... but it seems to be trying to walk me through the installation all over again. yes, it says rescue mode in the top right hand corner of the screen...
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17:21<Azhrarn>try alt-F#
17:21<Azhrarn>to get a shell
17:21<Azhrarn>you should be able to drop to a busybox shell
17:21<Azhrarn>actually, there should be an option in the installer menu
17:22<Azhrarn>or grab something like Knoppix if you have a burner and you can just mount your partitions
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17:32<jthomas>Can anyone assist me in getting a modem to work? With 'cu -l ttyS0' i can log onto the modem; earlier I was getting a NNO CARRIER result but now I cannot even get that.
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17:33<jla>lostone: search for rescue
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17:34<cyberworks>hi all, How do I change my screen resolution through a command, I can't seem to find a way to do it from the interface?
17:35<jthomas>from which interface? Screen resolution is usually set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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17:35<jthomas>but for a text-only setup I am not sure.
17:35<cyberworks>I set it there, but for some reason, my destop is really squished
17:35<jthomas>Otherwise, KDE or Gnome have setup screens also
17:35<jla>the new xorg supports switching on the fly I hear, but I don't know more than that about it
17:35<cyberworks>i set it to 1440x1050
17:35<cyberworks>is that wrong?
17:36<jthomas>cyberworks: what desktop are you running?
17:36<jthomas>not necessarily
17:36<jthomas>ok once you set it in xorg.conf you need to also set it up in KDE
17:36<jthomas>[KMenu] > Run > kcontrol
17:36<jthomas>then go to peripherals
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17:38<cyberworks>jthomas what next?
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17:38<knoppix_>nick Submin
17:38<jthomas>then to the monitor or display, and see if you can adjust it there. you may need to click [Administrator mode]
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17:38<jthomas>anyone know about modem setups?
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17:43<cyberworks>jthomas I'm in kcontrol as root and I don't see display anywhere, Do you know a command that would open display settings?
17:43<jthomas>one moment
17:44<cyberworks>doesn't xorg have a config program?
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17:44<cyberworks>what's the command for that?
17:44<jthomas>out of X, it is "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
17:45<jthomas>you don't have Display in KControl > Peripherals ?
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17:45<panagos>cyberworks: right click on the desktop
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17:52<jthomas>speaking of desktop and resolutions and all, is there a way to flip to display upside down without caring what driver it is using? I've heard that some drivers can and others cannot, but I would think XOrg culd do so without too much work, or KDE even...
17:53<themill>jthomas: xrandr can do that if you're lucky (and krandr is a front end to that)
17:53<jthomas>lucky = correct drivers huh
17:53<jthomas>ok i'll look into that, thanks
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17:56<themill>jthomas: it relies on your driver supporting those options. I've never used them as I've never had a driver that supported them.... I don't know how widespread they are.
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17:56<maslak>i have a question, i dont want to know anything about legality etc. which flash plugin is better: flash nonfree or gnash, why, from informatical point of view
17:56<themill>jthomas: actually, my machine at work dos support rotations but I've never tried them... maybe I will tomorrow :)
17:56<maslak>anybody? :)
17:57<jthomas>AFAIK flashnonfree, its the 'official' and gnash doesn't yet support everything
17:57*themill contemplates running xrandr -o inverted on his machine over ssh and then seeing what it looks like tomorrow....
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17:58<jthomas>but I have plenty of CPU spikes with flashnonfree and it freezes my Firefox occasionally, and then I have to close them all
17:58<themill>maslak: adobe flash seems like it's full of security holes and is a pain in the backside for the debian maintainers trying to keep a stable distribution together. Gnash is doing better but isn't feature-complete.
17:58<jthomas>full of security holes is for sure
17:59<maslak>im using sid, so its probably nothing new to this system :)
18:00<maslak>thx for help
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18:01<maslak>is there a blobby-volleball game in debian repositories? i cant find it :)
18:01<Draack>I found any free software to convert a video [ogg → avi] (It's a RMS's speech which I want to show to some windows's users). Do somebody know a Free software which can do that ?
18:02<maslak>im asking cause it was in repositories of fedora :)
18:03<jthomas>Draack: use VLC Player, its Free Sfotware and can play oog
18:03<jthomas>and can install on Windows. It can play a ton of stuff.
18:04<Draack>yeah but I don’t want to force them install vlc on there computer, maybe they won't watch the speech cause that
18:04<jthomas>then "install" the Portable Apps version, which runs inside a dingle directory; or install that version on a USB stick and doesn't even get onto their computer.
18:04<maslak>Assuming the input file is out.ogg, and the desired output file is out.avi, the syntax looks like this:
18:04<maslak>mencoder out.ogg -o out.avi -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc
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18:06<maxb>Has any one got any workarounds for the fact that Debian sudo (by compile time option) refuses to respect the invoking user's PATH ?
18:07<Draack>jthomas and maslak is mencoder a free software? it’s not in debian main repository (of sid)
18:08<maslak>in the provided link above its said it was written by the same guys who wrote mplayer
18:08<maslak>guess its free then...
18:08<jthomas>mencoder is free software, yes
18:08<jthomas>in Debian
18:09<jthomas>well, maybe in debian-multimedia repositories
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18:09<jthomas>ffmpeg should work also but i cannot say the best way to do it, something like 'ffmpeg -i file.ogg -vcodec libxvid outfile.avi
18:10<jthomas>" ffmpeg -i file.ogg -vcodec libxvid outfile.avi "
18:10<maslak> <- its free
18:10<jthomas>or even, " ffmpeg -i infile.ogg outfile.avi "
18:10<Draack>ok thanks, it's because I don’t want to use any proprietary software
18:10<jthomas>AVI yo ;)
18:10<themill>maxb: what do you mean?
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18:12<jthomas>ok i am outtie, have a good night/day/morning whatever yalls!
18:12<maxb>sudo has a compile-time option to override the PATH with a hardcoded value. I guess that's sane from certain security perspectives, but it's vaguely annoying not to be able to have personal scripts on your PATH, and not be able to do "sudo myscript"
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18:13<maslak>why dont you copy your scripts to /usr/bin?
18:13<hever>Hi it seems the libapr1 library has no mysql support built in, because there are some license problems. I need this to perform a Authentication in Apache via mod_dbd. Are there other packages than the offical with build in mysql support? Or can I somewhere read what the license Problems were ?
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18:14<maxb>Well, I guess I could, but I keep my entire home directory under version control, including these scripts
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18:14<dondelelcaro>maxb: so you just go sudo ~/bin/fooscript
18:14<maslak>hmm.. the other way... use sudo where needed inside those scripts
18:14<maslak>i think it also works
18:15<maslak>then you only call them by their name
18:15<maxb>yeah, I guess, it's just annoying. I suppose it wouldn't be too bad to symlink from /usr/local/bin to the actual location of the scripts
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18:16<themill>maxb: that's my normal approach to this
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18:37<client>eariler i was stuck without a gui and in the command line i kept getting errors that poped up, i was told in here they were kernel messages. i was wondering if there is a log of them now that i got gnome running so i can fix them
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18:44<ubinsp>Who knows if DMB-T is supported by linux?
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18:52<fword>hi. just set up debian etc on a vps server, i am wondering if there is an easy way to install vnc on it from a shell
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18:52<fword>the goal being that i can log in and see the screen on this server, which i have no other access to but shell
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18:59<jla>fword: are you planning on running a graphical destkop there that you want to re-attach to?
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19:03<fword>jla: i just got a vps to play with and i want the full environment if i can get it
19:04<jla>fword: again, does 'play with' and 'full environment' == eg Gnome Desktop, or are we talking about a server? :)
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19:05<jla>(I guess I should qualify 'server', because in the windows world, and even suse, things are generally done from a graphical desktop)
19:05<jla>I run all my servers without such things. *shrug*
19:06<fword>jla, i want to have gnome on it. it is a vps that i do not have physical access to.
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19:07<fword>the other question i have is about mono... if etch has apt-get install mono easily accessible
19:07<jla>fword: I've never done this, but I think you'll want to search around on doing 'headless ghome' or similar terms since your're probably not going to have access to, or want to, have gdm to vt7.
19:08<fword>ok jla. i might just settle for command line only if i can get mono on here happily
19:08<jla>etch has lots of mono packages
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19:43<garna>alguien me podria echar una mano?¿
19:43<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:10<hachi>how do you find the package that replaces an old one?
20:10<client>hi, everytime i try to mount a ntfs drive i get a wrong fs type error.... what could be causing this?
20:10<hachi>I've got libgd-gif in sarge that I can find, but I don't know what supercedes it in later debian versions
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20:12<guillaume_>hachi: maybe you can search for a file of it in new debian with apt-file search
20:13<abrotman>apt-cache search libgd ?
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20:17<gsimmons>client: How are you attempting to mount the filesystem?
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20:55<pilgrim>Is there a way to avoid prtunnel/LAN scan using w3m on spam urls?
20:56<dondelelcaro>pilgrim: huh?
20:57<pilgrim>I want to check spam type e.g. Pharm or Porn, etc, but don't want to get probed.
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20:57<dondelelcaro>pilgrim: probed how?
20:58<dondelelcaro>if you visit a url in a spam, they'll know where you came from, and possibly how the mail was sent to you
20:58<dondelelcaro>unless there's a serious bug in the browser, they shouldn't learn anything else
21:00<pilgrim>I've been advised that some web pages are 'crafted" so's to do port scan on my LAN
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21:00<dondelelcaro>by whom?
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21:01<abrotman>Steve Gibson :)
21:02<pilgrim>by a "LinuxQuestions" "guru".
21:02<jla>they get w3m, a text based browser, to perform a port scan of your local area network? amazing
21:03<Corrine>Would a port scan even show anything up? The standard home network blocks all incoming
21:03<pilgrim>The reason I'm here is that I was amazed, too. But I'm a newbie in this realm....
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21:04<dondelelcaro>pilgrim: well, whoever told you that doesn't know what they're talking about
21:04<jla>when you hit their web server, they have your ip. they can port-scan your gateway/firewall
21:04<dondelelcaro>'course, they could do that even without you giving them your ip
21:04<jla>yep, and they do to my firewall constantly
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21:05<pilgrim>jla .. that's what I thought. But I'm not confident in my understanding.
21:05<jla>but visiting the site could conceivably trigger the event - not that it seems to matter
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21:05<Corrine>The bigger concern with a site is javascript exploits
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21:05<jla>now, if your lan is a private network block, they aren't port-scanning it without getting your browser to run some port-scanning software
21:06<pilgrim>Corrine; sourceforge says w3m doesn't support JS unless linked to LYNX file
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21:06<Corrine>Then w3m won't get hacked, at least I've never heard of it being pulled off with HTML
21:07<Corrine>if you want to be really paranoid, use wget
21:07<dondelelcaro>those are JS vulnerabilities though, which should be fixed
21:07<Corrine>It's going to be a long time before all the JS holes are plugged
21:08<dondelelcaro>though the known ones do get fixed fairly quickly.
21:08<pilgrim>Corrine; "wget": news to me. I'll do some googling. Thanks.
21:08<Corrine>known ones do, I just think its going to take a lot of time to find all of them
21:09<dondelelcaro>oh, we'll probably never find all of them
21:09<jla>pilgrim: so you're following urls in spam email to classify the spam? it seems like there are some blacklists of urls and stuff like spamassassin may already do that.
21:09<Corrine>the real security needs to come from making a hole in a browser a non issue by isolating the browser from the rest of the OS though
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21:11<dondelelcaro>selinux is pretty much that way
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21:16<pilgrim>jla; I'm hip to that. Really fresh stuff sometimes hasn't been parsed/listed yet.
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21:23<jla>I've been searching for a server hardware inventory system mostly to track the age of components. OCS Inventory NG and GLPI look like overkill. Any suggestions for light-weight stuff.
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21:26<pilgrim>Thanks for the help folks; dinner time.
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21:55<Milos`Serbia>hello, where can i get help installing debian 4 etch
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22:01<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see for Etch 4.0 stable, or for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing!
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22:05<VTommy>hello guys
22:06<VTommy>anyone know default TERM= for console root?
22:07<nevyn>VTommy: linux
22:07<nevyn>as in the virtual terminal console type?
22:07<Milos`Serbia>amphi sry for highlight, but i have a prob instaling
22:07<VTommy>and LANG=?
22:07<Milos`Serbia>it won`t automaticaly install when boot from cd-rom
22:08<Milos`Serbia>it gives me some caldera dos
22:08<Milos`Serbia>and i don`t know what to do
22:08<Milos`Serbia>i can view contents of cd
22:08<VTommy>ok reason i'm asking since i changed to the settings TERM=linux and LANG=C on the console directly i can use aptitude anymore has i can see menu properly
22:08<Milos`Serbia>but i dont know how to start install
22:08<amphi>Milos`Serbia: caldera dos??
22:08<VTommy>but on putty it's perfect
22:08<Milos`Serbia>amphi yap
22:08<amphi>Milos`Serbia: what is that?
22:09<VTommy>nevyn: got any clue? on what can be done so both works?
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22:09<Milos`Serbia>amphi i don`t know
22:09<Milos`Serbia>[DR-DOS] a:\>
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22:09<Milos`Serbia>it looks like this
22:09<Milos`Serbia>on a: drive is somethin like RAM when in dos
22:09<Milos`Serbia>and on d:
22:09<Milos`Serbia>is my cd
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22:10<Milos`Serbia>but can u tell me how to start install from disc in this wway
22:10<amphi>Milos`Serbia: you need to boot from the cd
22:10<Milos`Serbia>i can see install folder
22:10<Milos`Serbia>yes i do
22:10<Milos`Serbia>and i do boot from cd
22:10<nevyn>VTommy: the correct setting for the console of your linux machine is TERM=linux LANG=C
22:10<Milos`Serbia>but it won`t just start install
22:10<Milos`Serbia>thats my problem
22:10<nevyn>VTommy: that's the text only screen not the gui one
22:10<Milos`Serbia>i need to start it
22:11<Milos`Serbia>and i`m asking u how to
22:11<amphi>Milos`Serbia: it doesn't sound like it's booting from the cd at all
22:11<Milos`Serbia>it does boot caldera dos
22:12<gsimmons>Milos`Serbia: It sounds like you've burned your disc incorrectly. Caldera DR-DOS should not be present (this is apparently an available option with the Nero burning tool).
22:13<amphi>gsimmons: what an arcane bit of info ;)
22:13<gsimmons>amphi: Well, it has happened before.
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22:14<amphi>ah; I've never come across this one
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22:18<abrotman>Milos`Serbia: how fast did you burn the CD? some burners do a crappy job at high speeds and then systems won't boot from the burnt CD
22:19<Milos`Serbia>thats nopt the problem
22:19<Milos`Serbia>my hdd has no partitions
22:19<Milos`Serbia>and it wont boot withpout cd
22:19<Milos`Serbia>when i put my cd in cd-rom
22:19<Milos`Serbia>i does boot
22:19<Milos`Serbia>but it boots caldera dos
22:20<Milos`Serbia>and i want to start fajl which will start the install
22:20<Milos`Serbia>which file is it
22:20<abrotman>how old is this machine?
22:20<Milos`Serbia>can u tell me?
22:20<Milos`Serbia>new one
22:20<Milos`Serbia>msi vr601x laptop
22:20<Milos`Serbia>and yes
22:20<Milos`Serbia>it is compatibile with debian
22:20<abrotman>caldera hasn't had a release in years
22:21<amphi>Milos`Serbia: did you burn the cd with nero? ;)
22:21<Milos`Serbia>from an iso file
22:21<amphi>Milos`Serbia: so listen to gsimmons - it looks like you may have burned it incorrectly
22:22<gsimmons>Milos`Serbia: See ("Nero from Ahead Software") for the precise burning procedure to use.
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22:27<Nukage>hi, can someone help me upgrade sarge to etch on vserver please?
22:28<abrotman>read the release notes
22:28<abrotman>!tell Nukage about sarge->etch
22:28<abrotman>Nukage: and backup *all* important data
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22:44<abrotman>Nukage: don't msg me .. ask in the channel
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22:44<abrotman>Nukage: don't msg me .. ask in the channel
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22:45<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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22:49<Nukage>i can't remove libc6 to install older version or install e2fsprogs
22:49<abrotman>your sources aren't right
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22:52<gsimmons>Nukage: You seem to have installed sid's 'libc6' (2.7-12).
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22:54<Nukage>yes gsimmons because that was the only version i could find
22:55<Nukage>abrotman my sources are right
22:55<Nukage>now that i found the older version can't remove the current one lol
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22:56<Nukage>any ideas?
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23:31<sun>hi how to format an ext usb drive to fat ? its 1tb does fat work?
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23:39<TAODP>-:- There are no hidden windows
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