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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-06-13

---Logopened Fri Jun 13 00:00:25 2008
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00:14<Reghi>how many percent of people speak spanish in this chat xD
00:14<nevyn>!es
00:14<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:14<nevyn>Reghi: :)
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00:15<Reghi>thanks, its only a comment by the words of dark ;)
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00:24<kurumin>olá
00:24<kurumin>??
00:24<kurumin>oi
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00:26<kurumin>uuu
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01:01<tuxie_>hi all, how can I chat through msn in debian?
01:03<adonikam>tuxie_: amsn or pidgin
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01:03<tuxie_>thanks adonikam
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01:06<Guest408>my debian webserver stopped allowing logins from SSH or FTP and any other service that requires a system authentication type, has anyone else ever seen this. the server has been up over 100 days ... this is the second time it has done this
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01:06<recklessop>after a reboot it works fine for 100+ days
01:07<recklessop>then it does the same thing, im not sure wtf is going on, but this is really annoying and im looking for any info anyone has
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01:41<knoppixddd>hello
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01:45<mahiwaga_>?
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02:23<gsimmons>factinfo alsa firmware
02:23<gsimmons>Dang.
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02:41<zhangxh> /msg dpkg dsa1571
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02:56<morgan`>hello
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03:35<Corrine>Is there a program to rip sound out of a video stream?
03:37<jm_>yes
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03:39<Corrine>jm_ whats it called?
03:41<jm_>Corrine: mplayer has -dumpaudio switch, but read the man page about it
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03:45<ryan_>i'm trying to debootstrap lenny and i'm getting an error asking for glibc6, does it mean the glibc on my current setup? or is it a problem with debootstrap itself
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03:48<ryan_>nothing?
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03:54<Doris>when making deb files of source code, the final deb is always coming out as version 0.1, is there an easy way to alter that ?
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03:56<jm_>!nmg
03:56<dpkg>rumour has it, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>
03:56<jm_>Doris: ^^^^^^
03:57<Doris>kk brb
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04:00<Doris>k i found the bit that i'll need i think. currently my project folder is <project>-2070 if i read this right, i'll need <project>-2070.0.0 yes?
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04:02<Doris>apparently not :(
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04:15<OdyX>Hi. I get frequent "ssh timeouts" when connecting to my servers. My openssh-{client,server} are up to date (etch, lenny or sid, but up-to-date) and I had not this before. I trigger the ssh timeouts with "ServerAliveInterval" but before, I just had my ssh session "hanging". Any idea ?
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04:15<OdyX>I suspect that this could be related to broken router @ home, but wonder why it would have appeared now...
04:15<OdyX>can it be due to kernel ?2.6.26
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05:05<Le_Vert_>any ipmi wizard here ?
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05:06<Le_Vert_>mail:~# IPMI_PASSWORD=xyz ipmitool -E -I lanplus -H 192.168.105.243 sol activate
05:06<Le_Vert_>Info: SOL payload disabled
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05:18<Doris>is there a more specific room where people deb making savvy would hang out ?
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05:20<jm_>you need to read the docs, no one will bother helping you until you do so
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05:23<themill>t D
05:23<themill>gah
05:23<padski>!mentors
05:23<dpkg>somebody said mentors was the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/
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05:48<padski>what is the DCCP subsystem ?
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05:49<padski>(and what is it doing in my kernel, dammit!)
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06:00<cahoot>Datagram Congestion Control Protocol (dccp)
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06:04<padski>cahoot, yes I googled. I am still reeling from the fact of a protocol for which the rfc was published 2 years ago being in the etch kernel. let alone that it is a module I don't have loaded and I was woken from my slumber for nothing ;-)
06:05*Sindacious is away: sleeeeeep
06:05<padski>is there a way to force it to load remotely ?
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06:06<cahoot>padski: I haven't the slightest clue
06:07<padski>cahoot, me neither :-)
06:07<cahoot>stumbled on some explotwarning?
06:07<cahoot>exploit
06:07<padski>DSA 1592-2 / CVE-2008-2358
06:08<padski>"it is possible to cause an overflow they may result in remote arbitrary code execution." I assume not wild.
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06:21<carlisle>Hi all
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06:25<carlisle>I have a quick question. I just installed debian and I can login on the command shell but have no gnome and internet isn't set up yet. What program to use to install more packages over the internet? And maybe some pointers how to connect to the internet? :)
06:25<cahoot>aptitude
06:26<cahoot>carlisle: wire or wireless?
06:26<carlisle>wire
06:26<carlisle>I have a DSL connection
06:26<carlisle>on a router
06:26<cahoot>ifconfig -a - no eth# ?
06:27<carlisle>one moment
06:27<carlisle>gotta get otu of aptitude, thanks for the tip
06:28<carlisle>I typed that ifconfig command and it gives me option '-' not recognised
06:28<cahoot>ifconfig -a
06:29<carlisle>ok I get a lot of stuff
06:29<carlisle>Link encap: UNSPEC and then a long HWAddr
06:29<carlisle>BROADCAST MULTICAST
06:29<carlisle>eth1
06:30<carlisle>Link encap: Ethernet HWaddr:
06:30<carlisle>lo
06:30<carlisle>Link encap: Local loopback
06:30<carlisle>What should I be looking for?
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06:30<cahoot>eth0 ?
06:30<padski>!pastebin
06:30<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
06:30<carlisle>yes at the top
06:30<carlisle>at the top it says eth0
06:30<cahoot>eth0 has no ip number?
06:31<carlisle>no only the HWaddr
06:31<carlisle>it says
06:31<carlisle>eth0 Link encap: UNSPEC HWaddr
06:31<carlisle>RX pakets:0 errors: 0 etc
06:31<cahoot>eth1 has a hwaddr?
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06:31<carlisle>yes it looks diferent
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06:32<gizmokaka>I have a problem with my sound I just can't seem to solve
06:32<carlisle>eth1 Link encap: Ethernet
06:32<carlisle>and then the HWaddr
06:32<padski>!audio
06:32<gizmokaka>I used m-a to install alsa from scretch
06:32<dpkg>[sound] ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound>, <arts> and <devdsp>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard
06:32<cahoot>carlisle: see if dhclient eth1 results in an ip addr
06:32<gizmokaka>yep did that
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06:32<gizmokaka>then i alsaconf
06:33<gizmokaka>it made me install the legacy drivers or something during that I got the error
06:33<carlisle>yes it gives an internel IP
06:33<gizmokaka>FATAL: Error running install command for snd_opl3sa2
06:33<cahoot>like?
06:33<carlisle>192.168.1.1
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06:33<gizmokaka>and after saying Now ALSA is ready to use
06:33<carlisle>192.168.1.12
06:34<gizmokaka>I try running the alsamixer
06:34<carlisle>DHCPACK from 192.168.1.12
06:34<gizmokaka>and the following is showing
06:34<carlisle>no sorry
06:34<cahoot>carlisle: what if you ping google.com now?
06:34<gizmokaka>alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
06:34<carlisle>ahhhhhhh it works now
06:34<carlisle>dhclient solved it?
06:34<gizmokaka>I was suggested to install a newer kernel from etchandahalf or backports that supports newer drivers
06:35<carlisle>ok thanks, I should be able to install from aptitude now, correct?
06:35<cahoot>carlisle: you want to read man interfaces
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06:35<gizmokaka>I don't really know how to do that, tried looking it up but cant take the chance my PC won't boot , since i have school and work to do
06:35<carlisle>ok thanks ;)
06:35<cahoot>to make the connection work automagically next boot
06:36<carlisle>ok I will look into it, thanks
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06:37<cahoot>basically you want something like: auto eth1 and iface eth1 inet dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces
06:38<gizmokaka>for further info just ask me
06:38<carlisle>ok that goes in some etc file I guess
06:38<cahoot>^^
06:38<carlisle>I just got started here LOL trying to catch up
06:38<carlisle>so I'll look into it
06:38<padski>gizmokaka, you can have more than one kernel installed. there is no reason for adding the etch-n-half kernel to make your system unbootable, even if the etch-n-half kernel itself wouldn't boot on your h/w (which I doubt).
06:39<gizmokaka>BTW, when trying to alsa reload i get
06:39<gizmokaka>http://paste.debian.net/6365
06:39<padski>gizmokaka, not that there aren't ways to shoot yourself in the foot ;-)
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06:40<cahoot>gizmokaka: try force-reload
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06:41<gizmokaka>padski: can you help me with doing so? I am very new to debian, and as much as i love it(and i do) i am still new and don't exectly know ( and a bit afraid) of kernel installing
06:41<gizmokaka>could you help me with that?
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06:42<gsimmons>gizmokaka: In the event of difficulties with the new image, you can simply start 2.6.18 again from your bootloader. Also, snd_opl3sa2 is a ISA chipset driver, you've likely selected this inadvertedly through alsaconf.
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06:43<gizmokaka>padski, yep i did, i had no other way, it said it can't recognize any sound card or something
06:43<gizmokaka>how do i revert back and install a new image so it will work with my real onboard card, and the relevant driver for it?
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06:44<gizmokaka>revert my alsaconf selection to a good one
06:44<cahoot>do you know what kind of sounddevice you have?
06:44<gizmokaka>the lspci | grep Audio returns
06:44<gizmokaka>ace2001ac:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller
06:45<cahoot>so you want snd-hda-intel
06:45<gizmokaka>and how do i install that, i didn't see the option in alsaconf
06:45<cahoot>and most probably the latest kernelversion you can get
06:46<gizmokaka>yep but i have problems with that, i am new and don't know how to install a new kernel
06:46<gizmokaka>also, I am afraid of toing it without support since i can't allow my pc to go into a non bootable state
06:46<gizmokaka>would you guide me throw this?
06:47<gizmokaka>please???
06:47<cahoot><gsimmons> gizmokaka: In the event of difficulties with the new image, you can simply start 2.6.18 again from your bootloader.
06:48<gsimmons>gizmokaka: Your ALSA version is most probably too old to support this sound card chipset. Try 2.6.24 kernel image from backports.org, which will provide a more recent ALSA.
06:48<gsimmons>!tell gizmokaka -about backports.org
06:49<gizmokaka>gsimmons: thanks dude
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07:00<hypnotic>hi there, I have a sftp server running but I would lik to migrate it to https under apache2. I already havea apache2 running with mysql and php, and a ssl site. Now I trying to find a howto how to setup a secure file sharing site with login under https. Anybody an idea?
07:02<petemc>webdav
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07:05<hypnotic>petemc: thanx im looking into it right now
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07:11<carlisle>I have a question: when running aptitude it doesn't show any packages and when I select update, it doesn't load any package lists either. Am I missing something?
07:13<gizmokaka>blarson: I am sorry i had a power failure in the house, were you the one who gave me the tell about backports install of new kerner?
07:13<gizmokaka>kernel'
07:13<gizmokaka>!backports
07:13<dpkg>it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
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07:15<gizmokaka>can anyone give me the tell about installing a new kernel form backports + keyring for the backport sources.list antry?
07:15<gsimmons>gizmokaka: That was me. "/msg dpkg backports.org" for the necessary instructions. You'd want to install the 'linux-image-2.6-686' package from etch-backports.
07:16<themill>gizmokaka: /msg dpkg etchnhalf
07:16<gizmokaka>gsimmons: i am sorry for cutting out
07:16<themill>as an alternative
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07:21<gizmokaka>gsimmons: i only found a version with etchnhalf and no backports for somereason
07:21<gizmokaka>themill: thanks
07:21<gizmokaka>gsimmons: is that ok also
07:21<gizmokaka>?
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07:22<themill>gizmokaka: 2.6.22 is on backports.org
07:22<gsimmons>gizmokaka: It's fine, you only require a newer kernel.
07:22<gsimmons>themill: It now has 2.6.24.
07:22<gizmokaka>themill: on etchnhalp i see 2.6.24
07:22<themill>gizmokaka: as is 2.6.24 now (interesting...)
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07:23<themill>gizmokaka: apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 (but maybe not -amd64, I've not checked)
07:23<gizmokaka>what is interesting? the difference in kernel ver numbers?
07:23<themill>gizmokaka: 2.6.24 is new on backports.org (I'm using the etchnhalf version)
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07:25<gizmokaka>yep the apt-chace policy shows a backports ver 2.6.24-1
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07:26<gizmokaka>this is on serious OS, a group of developers always sit and write newer kernels to support new hardware instead of patching the system with driver supplied by manufacturers on top of the OS
07:26<gizmokaka>that is exectly why it's much faster and more effective then the Windows
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07:27<gizmokaka>unbelivable
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07:32<Tuplad>hey, I've got the creative Live! 24-bit External sound blaster (http://www.soundblaster.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=206&product=10702) for my sound. I have installed debian but it wont work, I tried alsactl and alsactl and alsamixer, but nothing seems to be working eventhough it looks like it's all right.
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07:32<cahoot>is that an usb device?
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07:35<cahoot>does it show up in alsamixer?
07:35<Tuplad>cahoot: yes its an usb device
07:35<Tuplad>its an external sound card, I've got it plugged in my built in soundcard
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07:35<cahoot>does it show up in alsamixer?
07:35<Tuplad>cahoot: um, it shows VIA soundcard, my builtin
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07:36<cahoot>does it show up in /proc/asound/cards?
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07:39<padski>I hadn't noticed it is friday the 13th til now.
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07:47<Tuplad>cahoot: nope
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07:48<cahoot><Tuplad> its an external sound card, I've got it plugged in my built in soundcard - what do you mean by that?
07:49<gsimmons>Tuplad: Is the snd-usb-audio module loaded?
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07:50<Tuplad>gsimmons: how do I check ?
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07:50<cahoot>lsmod
07:51<Tuplad>cahoot: oh lol, sorry my bad, it's not plugged in there.
07:51<Tuplad>cahoot: what I meant is
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07:51<Tuplad>cahoot: my monitor which has sound, is plugged in there.
07:51<Tuplad>cahoot: and sometimes I plug my headphones in there with my mic
07:51<jaakko>what app would you recommend for sound frequency analyzing? I found that xmms has spectrum analyzer, is that good?
07:52<cahoot>I'd minimize problems by plugging it directly into the computer
07:52<Tuplad>seems that snd-usb-audio is not loaded
07:53<Tuplad>cahoot: that's why it's not plugged in, the sound card I've got doesnt work well
07:53<cahoot>?
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07:58<Tuplad>cahoot: my built in soundcard doesnt work
07:59<Tuplad>cahoot: I always work this external one
07:59<cahoot>yes and can't you connect that one to the computer via usb?
08:00<cahoot>but - see if modprobe snd-usb-audio makes it come to life
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08:03<Tuplad>wel
08:03<Tuplad>it seems loaded
08:03<Tuplad>snd_usb_audio
08:04<Tuplad>http://pastebin.com/m6625f533
08:05<cahoot>still doesn't show up in /proc/asound/cards
08:05<cahoot>?
08:05<Tuplad>yes it does
08:06<cahoot>as card1?
08:06<cahoot>or card0?
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08:06<Tuplad>yes
08:06<Tuplad>card1
08:06<cahoot>alsamixer -c1 should show it then
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08:07<Tuplad>got it
08:07<Tuplad>but I have no sound though :o
08:07<cahoot>you should be able to make the usb device the default sounddevice with asoundconf
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08:08<Tuplad>done
08:08<Tuplad>should I reboot ?
08:08<Tuplad>oh wait, no
08:08<cahoot>no
08:08<Tuplad>old windows habits
08:09<cahoot>run speaker-test -t wav
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08:09<Tuplad>oh sorry
08:09<Tuplad>clicked on X by accident
08:09<Tuplad>could you repeat the last thing you said please ? :}
08:09<cahoot>run speaker-test -t wav
08:10<Tuplad>http://pastebin.com/d11b664cf
08:10<Tuplad>the hex chars
08:11<Tuplad>that's just Russian there, but it says: no such file or catalog
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08:13<Tuplad>cahoot: so basically I'm just getting errors
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08:15<cahoot>Tuplad: remove the ~/.asoundrc* files asoundconf created
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08:15<Tuplad>done
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08:18<cahoot>try speaker-test -D plug:hw:1
08:19<Tuplad>YEAH
08:19<Tuplad>works
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08:19<marcot>Hello. I've just installed etch and I'm trying to run netselect-apt, but it's giving me this error message:
08:20<marcot>netselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably means that you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute.
08:20<cahoot>ok so the remaining object is to make the usb device default
08:20<cahoot>you can try disabling the onboard in bios
08:20<Tuplad>cahoot: roger that...
08:20<Tuplad>but for that I have to reboot, so I'll be back in 5 minutes :)
08:21<cahoot>else..
08:21<marcot>http://hpaste.org/8314
08:21<cahoot>there is another way
08:21<marcot>But I'm not behind a firewall.
08:21<Tuplad>oh really?
08:21<cahoot>Tuplad: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ see 3.14
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08:23<Tuplad>cahoot: but... what do you think the issue is now ?
08:23<Tuplad>cahoot: that my external is not set as the default?
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08:24<cahoot>because the system sees the onboard as card0
08:24<cahoot>Tuplad: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ see 3.14
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08:25<Tuplad>cahoot: etc/modprobe.conf isnt even on my system :O
08:26<cahoot> got /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base?
08:26<ubinsp>hello.Who has tried to use Debian on a machine based on RISC RMI AU type?
08:26<Tuplad>cahoot: yes
08:27<cahoot>Tuplad: go to the end of that file
08:27<cahoot>Tuplad: and set Options snd-usb-audio index=0
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08:27<joce>Hello
08:27<cahoot>Tuplad: options snd-usb-audio index=0
08:28<Tuplad>options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2 is still there, just leave it at that ?
08:28<cahoot>then alsa force-reload
08:28<cahoot>yes leave the rest
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08:28<Tuplad>done
08:28<cahoot>relaoded alsa?
08:29<joce>could someone help me, please ? I have a disk space problem on a remote server
08:29<hever>Hi are there still license Problems to include mysql in libapr or not? As I understand the developer changed the license so that the mysql code can be included in libapr... http://bahumbug.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/re-licensing-apr_dbd_mysql/
08:29<Tuplad>yes
08:29<cahoot>still doesn't show up in /proc/asound/cards
08:29<cahoot>err
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08:29<cahoot> check /proc/asound/cards
08:29<Tuplad>it doesnt show up anymore
08:29<Tuplad>I think that module is getting shutdown
08:29<Tuplad>snd-usb-audio I think
08:29<cahoot>modprobe snd-usb-audio
08:30<Tuplad>oh no, its loaded
08:30<Tuplad>now it doesnt showup in asound/cards anymore
08:30<cahoot>hmm
08:31<cahoot>no typo when editing?
08:31<Tuplad>let me see
08:31<Tuplad>http://pastebin.com/d6935d9a9
08:32<cahoot>looks right
08:32<Tuplad>:/ damn
08:32<cahoot>no crad at all listed in asound/cards?
08:33<Tuplad>only the via
08:33<Tuplad>onboard
08:33<Tuplad>shall I just disable it via bios?
08:33<cahoot>might try give it's module index -2 too
08:33<Tuplad>oh ok
08:33<Tuplad>lets try
08:34<Tuplad>reloaded
08:34<Tuplad>speaker test doesnt work
08:34<Tuplad>card shows up in asound
08:34<Tuplad>as card1, external
08:34<cahoot>meh
08:35<cahoot>comment out the changes and try the bios method
08:35<Tuplad>roger that
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08:35<Tuplad>brb then
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08:38<carlisle>hmmm I just installed gnome, then tried startx, but it gives me something like this: xinit: connection refused (errno 111) and xinit: no such process (errno 3). Does anyone know what is missing there?
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08:39<Tuplad>cahoot: FO SHIZZLE
08:39<Tuplad>cahoot: it works :))))
08:39<OdyX>carlisle: you'd maybe better try something like /etc/init.d/gdm restart
08:39<cahoot>tup
08:39<cahoot>Tuplad: ok
08:39<carlisle>ok I'll try
08:39<Tuplad>cahoot: thanks a bunch :)
08:40<cahoot>yw
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08:40<Tuplad>damn, forgot something :P
08:40<carlisle>now it tells me failed to start x server
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08:40<carlisle>oh there is a file missing /etc/X11/X
08:41<cahoot>carlisle: did you install xserver-xorg?
08:41<Tuplad>I've got this external harddrive, I've been here before about this. But in Windows I was using a driver to view it because it was ext2. But then suddenly it said it's fat32 and 500gb free, now in windows, all the info is still there, but it's still being recognized as fat32 but some command which I forgot said it's ext2 but has errors which need to be fixed.
08:41<carlisle>aptitude install xserver-xorg ?
08:41<gsimmons>!install x
08:41<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome><install kde><install xfce>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
08:41<Tuplad>Someone advised me to use cfdisk and change the type to 83. but I'm affraid :O maybe fsck it ?
08:41<maxb>Tuplad: yup, that's a bit scary :-)
08:41<carlisle>ok doing it now, thanks
08:42<gsimmons>Tuplad: It's not _that_ scary, you are simply changing the partition ID.
08:42<Tuplad>maxb: definitely
08:42<maxb>I'd say the first thing you should do is be absolutely clear on what the existing partition structure is
08:42<Tuplad>gsimmons: oh...
08:42<seanius>hever: i think libapr in unstable (and maybe lenny) will include mysql supporty
08:42<Tuplad>maxb: well, I forgot the exact command, but it shows you all drives and their fs, it showed ext2
08:42<Tuplad>but all other things recognize it as fat32
08:43<hever>seanius, no not lenny..
08:43<seanius>hever: at least i can recall needing to make changes in mysql so that libapr could build against it
08:43<gsimmons>Tuplad: IIRC, that's because you have the wrong partition ID set (0c, not 83), although it's a ext3 filesystem.
08:43<hever>seanius, (Since nearly one year there are no more license Problems and it should be included in apache: http://bahumbug.wordpress.com/2007/08/08/apacheapr-mysql-driver/)
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08:43<Tuplad>gsimmons: roger that
08:43<Tuplad>gsimmons: so I can just change it ?
08:44<gsimmons>Tuplad: Yes. You change it.
08:44<Tuplad>ok lets try
08:44<Tuplad>umount first though
08:44<seanius>hever: there was also the problem of needing to build against the threadsafe version of libmysqlclient, while most other packages build against the un-htread-safe version
08:45<seanius>but that is fixed now, i don't know why thesupport hasn't yet made it into the latest packages. try the bts?
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08:45<Tuplad>gsimmons: so I did 83
08:45<Tuplad>gsimmons: now what?
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08:45<Tuplad>"write" or "quit" ?
08:45<carlisle>yep I get gnome now, but the resolution is ugly lol
08:46<hever>seanius, (are you a developer?) So needed changes in libmysql are done and now some work on libapr must be done ?
08:46<gsimmons>Tuplad: "write", obviously. Then verify the device against whatever was previously causing you issues.
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08:47<hever>seanius, what is bts ?
08:47<Tuplad>gsimmons: what you mean ?
08:47<Tuplad>ok, changed it, all works well, wonderful!
08:48<Tuplad>well, there was this file though, which automounted stuff on load of computer, which one was it ? :p
08:48<hever>seanius, To understand it: all license Problems are solved and the package maintainters must "just" do their work and make some changes...
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08:50<aloha-shin>Hi. I having problem with my debian lenny(dedicated server), after I saw the databases errors, I tried to stop the daemons then I did reboot command but the command reboot isnt working, whatever command I enter its not working, is there any command to fixed or reboot this server ? "If I enter 'reboot' the i saw an error like -bach: /sbin/reboot: input/output error" can someone explain this to me how to fix it? I already contact my host but still no repl
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08:52<weasel>aloha-shin: your system is fucked.
08:52<joce>Is it possible to blend two partitions without data loses ? (there is a partition for / and another for /home, which I want to unify for space reasons)
08:52<weasel>aloha-shin: the long version is that your filesystem has shut down probably because your hardware is broken
08:52<weasel>joce: no.
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08:53<aloha-shin>its been 30 mins ago with database errors occuring
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08:54<aloha-shin>I dunno if the errors with the database cause the system to broke
08:54<blarson>joce: if / has enough free space, unmount /home, mount it elsewhere, then copy the files to /home.
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09:01<neo_>java is still not working
09:01<neo_>i dont get it
09:01<neo_>wtfff
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09:02<wotan>hello everybody
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09:05<neo_>the command u said didnt work to fix java anybody else know
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09:07<wotan>ladies, gents, I don't know if I'm on the right channel. Nevertheless: I seem to have problems with my mouse
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09:08<wotan>and keyboard. (logitech cordless desktop MX700)
09:09<wotan>Problem description: devices connected via usb. after watching a dvd, neither of them is functional.
09:09<wotan>only reboot via power button is possible. Distro: etch
09:09<wotan>anybody knws something?
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09:12<neo_>my java seems to be working
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09:12<neo_>How do i install the latest flash drivers
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09:20<neo_>I can watch Youtube movies, and When I search for java applets on the web I can see those and use the applets. ........ But Myfreecams.com isn't loading I dont get it
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09:23<chat>neo_ you need flash player...
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09:23<neo_>I have flash player
09:23<neo_>does that site work for u?
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09:23<chat>oh sorry i misunderstood :-(
09:23<neo_>How come I can play youtube
09:23<neo_>maybe the site doesnt work for linux have u tried loading it
09:23<carlisle>Does anyone know how to add more screen resolutions to gnome/X? When I go to "desktop>preferences>screen resolution" it only offers up to 1024x768 which looks crappy on my widescreen laptop. Is there any way I can add a 1280x800 to the list?
09:23<Rayser>youtube is OK, you need flash plugni
09:24<Rayser>add resolution need to change /etc/X11/xorg.conf
09:24<carlisle>ok thanks
09:24<Rayser>add new resolution in this file
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09:25<neo_>carlisle
09:25<carlisle>I probably need to restart then too
09:25<neo_>try restarting ur computer
09:25<neo_>it showed up when i did that
09:26<carlisle>ok
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09:26<lolzor1>Hey, im a newb in linux etc , but i need to install windows on my root with debian on? can i do that remotely e.g via ssh ?
09:27<cahoot>carlisle: what laptop?
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09:27<padski>lolzor1, xorg or ms windows ??
09:27<lolzor1>padski : whats xorg ? and i need windows server i think
09:28<lolzor1>2003
09:28<padski>!xorg
09:28<dpkg>[xorg] X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure.
09:29<padski>lolzor1, you want Microsoft Windows server 2003 ? wrong forum for that.
09:29<lolzor1>padski how to i install ms windows on it ?
09:29<padski>lolzor1, unless you want to install it in an emulator perhaps :-)
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09:29<carlisle>cahoot, toshiba satellite
09:30<cahoot>ok - what graphic device?
09:30<carlisle>hold on
09:30<carlisle>ATI; Typ: ATI Mobility Radeon HD2600
09:30<lolzor1>oke how do i install VMware on debian ?
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09:31<wotan>exit
09:31<cahoot>carlisle: I see - no further questions ;)
09:31<carlisle>I hope it supports higher resolutions?
09:31<carlisle>yea just did ;)
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09:32<cahoot>carlisle: already checked out tuxmobil.org?
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09:32<carlisle>not yet
09:33<padski>lolzor1, I installed vmware player on etch from the tar by following the prompts just the other day and it worked fine.
09:33<cahoot>carlisle: might be someone else with your laptop model that published experiences/tricks
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09:39<neo_>im starting to liek ubuntu
09:39<neo_>it does what u want it it to do and doesnt have any spyware
09:39<neo_>now if i can run my games ok i might keep this
09:39<cahoot>time for dark confessions?
09:39<neo_>im also getting a 8800 gt card today
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09:39<neo_>im hoping that it will improve my compiz experience
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09:40<cahoot>neo_: aware ubuntu is off-topic here?
09:40<The_Muh>ubuntu? debian for the way!
09:40<neo_>where is the off topic chat
09:40<OdyX>!ubuntu
09:40<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
09:40<neo_>oh sorry
09:40<neo_>lol
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09:40<neo_>why did it load me into debian wow
09:40<neo_>thanks for help guys
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09:43<chat>i cannot rotate screen with xrandr... is this hardware based problem or configuration problem?
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09:53<client>hi
09:53<client>i was wondering what the biggest differences between kde and gnome are
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09:56<kurumin>r
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10:02<padski>client, in kde everything begins with a k
10:03<seanius>hever: i do not maintain apr, so i do not know what if any reasons exist for not building in the mysql support
10:03<seanius>hever: bts == bug tracking system
10:03<hever>yes I found this :)
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10:04<client>is there no ntfs support in etch?
10:04<hever>I try to use libapache2-mod-auth-mysql. But what I can read in the bts is that the maintainer will uplad a new version soon.
10:04<gsimmons>!tell client -about ntfs
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10:11<marga>Hi! I just realized that smbfs is no longer supported by etchnhalf's kernel. What bothers me is that doing smbmount (using the smbmount from proposed-updates) gives: "smbfs filesystem not supported by the kernel"... If cifs has replaced smbfs, shouldn't smbmount internally call mount.cifs so that everything that uses this command keeps working?
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10:21<client>how can i give a user full privilages?
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10:22<cahoot>client: that's considered unwise
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10:24<client>cahoot... ok, how do i lot in as root to change privilages for other things?
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10:24<cahoot>client: su and/or sudo
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10:25<client>cahoot, in command line? or is there a way to log into gnome as such?
10:26<cahoot>client: you don't want to run gnome as root
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10:27<cahoot>client: what do you want to accomplish?
10:27<client>cahoot. maybe if i tell you my issue you can tell me how to resolve it. i mounted a drive and
10:27<client>i cna't access it
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10:28<client>i want to make the privilages for ther users to rad and write from it
10:28<cahoot>client: ntfs/vfat or what?
10:28<client>ntfs
10:30<cahoot>did you read the info gsimmons directed to you earlier?
10:30<client>yes.
10:30<client>i got ntfsprogs
10:31<cahoot>see this? For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>
10:31<client>i saw it, dnt' know how to ask...
10:31<cahoot>client: type this in your irc client: /msg dpkg ntfsrw
10:32<client>msg dpkg ntfsrw
10:32<cahoot>client: you want a slash
10:32<client>yeah
10:32<client>my bad
10:32<client>so, ntfs-3g, i cna't seem to find that package
10:33<client>when i do a ap-cache ssearch
10:33<client>and i tried using the ntfsmount command after getting ntfsprogs, and i get an error, "failr to open /dev/fuse: no such file or dir"
10:34<client>the fact thati could n't find ntfs-3g is why i was asking earlier if it was unsupported for etch.
10:35<gsimmons>client: For Etch, the package is only available as a backport.
10:35<gsimmons>!ntfs-3g
10:35<dpkg>i guess ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g. Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage
10:36<client>gsimmons, i can't seem to add the backport sites to my source.list file right
10:36<client>i get errors
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10:37<gsimmons>client: And they are? Provide the commands, errors and contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file at a paste site.
10:37<gsimmons>!paste
10:37<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
10:38<client>gsimmons, i'm updating the file right now so i can send you the rror
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10:39<client>W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.backports.org etch-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_etch-backports_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
10:40<client>and i get the same error no matter what i use as the http
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10:40<maxb>Did you "apt-get update" ?
10:41<client>not after adding the line...
10:41<client>let me do that now
10:41<maxb>well, that's why then
10:41<gsimmons>client: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions
10:41<client>thanks...
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10:43<Rayser>debian's firefox 3 is too slow, anyone have any solve methnod ?
10:44<Rayser>I think ff2 is better than FF3
10:45<client> ntfs-3g: Depends: libfuse2 (>= 2.6) but 2.5.3-4.4 is to be installed does this mean i need a newer version of libfuse2?
10:45<cahoot>slower in what respect?
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10:46<Rayser>It is FF3's fsync bug, but I don;t know when this problem will solve
10:47<maxb>From the mentioned docuwiki link - "All backports are deactivated by default." -- how is that? I didn't think there was a way for a source to express that it was "low priority"
10:48<gsimmons>client: Yes. The later version of 'libfuse2' is also available within etch-backports.
10:48<client>i just tried upgradeing it and it said i had the newst version...
10:48<client>gsimmons, do i need to specify to get if from backports and not one of the other sources?
10:49<maxb>Ah, NotAutomatic in release file, I see
10:49<maxb>client: apt-get -t etch-backports install libfuse2 ntfs-3g
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10:50<client>the -t lets you pick the target source?
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10:51<Xer0z>the ia64 all cd and dvd not boot! help!!
10:51<gsimmons>client: You did read the backports.org instructions, right? Use of "-t etch-backports" is mentioned.
10:52<client>the link you sent? i did, i did not see that, i still don't see it
10:52<gsimmons>maxb: Just "apt-get -t etch-backports install ntfs-3g" is fine. The new version of 'libfuse2' automatically pulled in, provided the target release is specified.
10:53<client>oh
10:53<client>yeah
10:53<client>mybad
10:53<client>i misunderstood
10:53<client>i thought you ran step 3 to enable it, i guess i need to pay close attention...
10:53<client>sorry
10:54<gsimmons>Xer0z: No private messages, please. Are you sure you have the right Debian port for your architecture?
10:54<gsimmons>!tell Xer0z -about ia64
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11:01<dak>anyone know where i can i get a iso of woody or slink ?
11:01<dak>i checked debian.org and they dont have anything archived that old
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11:03<gsimmons>!tell dak -about woody
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11:07<dak>bleh
11:07<dak>i need slink
11:07<dak>:/
11:07<dak>!tell dak -about slink
11:08<dak>!tell dak -about slink->potato
11:08<dak>!tell dak -about potato
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11:09<dak>need slink for old compiled bins
11:09<dak>libc bs
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11:09<padski>you need slink? wow!
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11:16<Bon>I havent done anything except turn ff the computer for the nighgt, yet in this time movie player and mplayer have stopped playing video files. I get 'error opening/initialising the selected video_out (-vo) device. ' and movie player just refuses to start. it opens, then half a second later closes after.
11:16<Bon>It was working last night, and now it doesnt. I am running etch on amd64.
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11:19<padski>Bon, dunno. did you run any upgrades, change any settings, during the last boot ?
11:20<Bon>last boot all i did was try upgrade wine and instal intltools newest version (well, remove and then add the SAME ONE again because it refused to accept that i had it already)
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11:21<gsimmons>dak: I've made images from ancient copies at my end. You can /msg me regarding this.
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11:23<padski>Bon, does this help: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/faq.html#id2996429
11:24<Bon>it might, ill look through it. Any ideas how i can find out why totem has just .. stopped opening and staying open?
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11:27<cahoot>Bon: start it from a terminal to catch any error
11:28<Bon>Apparently : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
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11:28<padski>!xauth
11:28<dpkg>xauth is probably the mechanism for sharing around authorisation for clients to connect to your X server. Ask me about <mit-magic-cookie> for more information. The xauth program is in the xbase-clients package (sarge and etch) or in the xauth package from lenny onwards. See also http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html or ask me about <sshx>.
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11:33<Bon>thing i dont understand is that it was working last night, and i havent done anythign to it between then and now, mainly because i was asleep (unless i am a sleep-computerer..)
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11:34<cahoot>Bon: not running apps as root?
11:34<Bon>I am root
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11:36<cahoot>you mean you also run x/gnome as root?
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11:38<cahoot>Bon: the xauth error implies you try to run an app as another user than the one that started/owns the xsession
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11:42<Bon>cahoot, That is very odd. This computer only has one user, Me, who runs it as root.
11:42<cahoot>you run everything as root?
11:43<Bon>pretty much, yes
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11:43<cahoot>that's like peeing in your pants - feels cosy initially but ..
11:44<fxiny>c'est pas bon :P
11:44<lucca>Bon: better practice to log in as a normal user and use sudo for specific tasks
11:44<padski>Where am I supposed to pee ? ;-)
11:45<Bon>hmm, brb then
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11:49*fxiny gets the zip mask out , just in case the chan turns into rubber ...
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11:51<Bon>I may have cheated. Instead of solving the problem with mplayer and totem movie player .. i just apt-get'd VLC
11:51<fxiny>why ? what's wrong with mplayer ?
11:52<Bon>-vo doesnt and i dont understand the FAQs instructions on how to fix it basically
11:54<client>so pidgin is a variation of gaim?
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11:54<padski>!pidgin
11:54<dpkg>it has been said that pidgin is formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch from backports.org, ask me about <backports.org>
11:55<client>htanks padski, i just got it actually...
11:55<client>and noticed that everything just ported over from gaim
11:55<client>so if a software needs firefox will work with iceW
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11:56<Bon>it has so far for me
11:57<client>i think they've done a good job of making pidgin look more google like and less AIm too
11:57<Nemoder>now if they could just make some progress on libjingle
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11:59<padski>Bon, for example, I can't remember what to use (ages since I did this), so I chose -vo x11. works fine here, but it is just a small vid.
11:59<Bon>I was going to configure it to use x11, I just couldnt get to the configure file to alter it, so it annoyed me so i basically quit
11:59<fxiny>i still use mplayer -af volume and so on
12:00<fxiny>aslweys :)
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12:00<fxiny>Bon: what file yo want to play ?
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12:01<Bon>.mp4 video, it plays perfectly in vlc, plays for an intermittent time in totem and it just has a -vo problem in mplayer
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12:02<padski>apparently it has an ASS renderer. whoever created that acronym is so deeply into it, they just don't care :-)
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12:02<fxiny>mplayer has problem rewinding mp4 , just that
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12:02<Bon>Man, if i had a chance to name a program that everyone would be using, id name it ass too.
12:02<fxiny>mplayer -af volume=10 -fs zoom file . plays any file
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12:04<Bon>hah, thats works for fullscreen
12:04<fxiny>yes >> -fs zoom
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12:05<Bon>apparnelty ive just got to set its video output . .. Back to that FAQ i go to try figure out HOW
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12:06<fxiny>try man mplayer
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12:08<fxiny>i had yesterday a sub out of sync (unbearable cd2) : z x fix it . i do like mplayer
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12:15<engkeboy155>can i ask here?
12:16<jlbelmonte>try
12:16<jlbelmonte>:)
12:16<Bon>!ask
12:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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12:17<jlbelmonte>lovely explanation of dpkg :)
12:18<engkeboy155>im trying to install debian.. (just downloaded it) and my problem is i have 4hdds that i want to merge. how can i use the whole 4hdds space? by selecting separate folder for /var /tmp and so on..
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12:20<engkeboy155>i tried installing and just selected one of those and when i login.. the 3 other hdds is not mounted.. only the one hdd i selected is the one im using.. i thot it will be automatically merge in the hdd i selected.. :(
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12:23<adonikam>engkeboy155: do you want the four disks to appear as one large disk, or do you want to split up parts of the filesystem to use different disks manually?
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12:24<engkeboy155>im trying to setup a webserver.. so im thinking of focusing most of my free space in the /var area.. using the 4 hdds.. using the separate partition for the /var /tmp /home...
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12:25<engkeboy155>the first one.. the four disks appear as one large disk.. but if i can use the other 3 hdds only for /var and the excess space of my primary.. that would be better..
12:27<jlbelmonte>you can install your system in a hd
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12:27<jlbelmonte>make a software raid with the other three, and set up the mount point
12:28<jlbelmonte>you can change you /var mount point after installing
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12:29<jlbelmonte>and could be easier to install in one hd, and then set up things as you want
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12:29<engkeboy155>you mean i dont have to re-install now. i just have to set the mountpoint of the other hdds?
12:29<jlbelmonte>for example with mdadm
12:30<jlbelmonte>you can create softwarebased raids
12:30<jlbelmonte>with diferent devices,
12:30<jlbelmonte>for example your hda3 hdb hdc3 hdc4 and your whole hdd
12:31<jlbelmonte>and then set up a mount point as you want.
12:31<engkeboy155>ahh.. mdadm? thats the software?
12:31-!-hever [~hever@ip-78-94-63-95.hsi.ish.de] has joined #debian
12:31<jlbelmonte>http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Software-RAID-HOWTO/#ss5.2
12:32<jlbelmonte>http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Software-RAID-HOWTO
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12:32<jlbelmonte>have a look at that
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12:37<panagos>engkeboy155: you can also use lvm, there actually is an option in the debian installer
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12:40<engkeboy155>lvm?
12:40<engkeboy155>just like in fedora right?
12:41<engkeboy155>it merges the multiple hdds..
12:41<engkeboy155>how should i do it? using the debian installer..
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12:42<panagos>engkeboy155: when the hd configuration menu pops up, you choose lvm, and there is a menu where you can create/destory physical volumes, logiacal volumes etc
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12:46<engkeboy155>now i choose the lvn..
12:46<engkeboy155>now i choose the lvm..
12:46<engkeboy155>using the entire disk..
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12:49<Laeborg>does Winrar works via WINE?
12:49<engkeboy155>i change the other hdds into "use as: lvm physical volume"..
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12:52<Torsten_W>Laeborg: why?
12:52<Torsten_W>Laeborg: there is rar and unrar in linux
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12:52<Torsten_W>Laeborg: why use an win-app?
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12:52<Laeborg>well do you know how movies downloaded via bittorrent i packed? you know .r01, .r02 and .part001.rar, .part002.rar
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13:01<PetaWindows>Laeborg: how to put those rar files together?
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13:03<fxiny>rar x first-splitted.rar or urar
13:03<fxiny>unrar*
13:04<Torsten_W>or unrar e foo.r01
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13:05<fxiny>hi Torsten_W
13:05<fxiny>still fxing bugs ? :)
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13:06<Torsten_W>fxiny: i'm?
13:06<fxiny>yes
13:06<Torsten_W>fxiny: what bugs i should fix?
13:06<fxiny>mnogosearch :)
13:06<Torsten_W>i don't understand this joke
13:07<fxiny>is not a joke
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13:07<fxiny> #448622
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13:10<Torsten_W>fxiny: that's not me
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13:11<fxiny>bloody hell ! you are not Torsten Werner ?
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13:11<Torsten_W>fxiny: no
13:11<AFK|Katya>hi all
13:11<fxiny>f*
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13:12<fxiny>Torsten_W: :)
13:12<Katya>how can i change the font size of the debian text based installer
13:12<Katya>??
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13:14*fxiny will change his nick to a less known one : RMS ?
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13:15<Katya>helllo!
13:15<Katya>anyone?
13:15<carlisle>I can't fix the screen resolution in gnome. I edited the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and added the new resolutins that I want 1280x800, but no matter how often I restart and turn off the computer, it still remains at 1024x768, and I can't choose 1280x800 from the settings menu. The laptop has 1280x800 in Windows though. Any ideas?
13:16<carlisle>Hi Katya
13:16<Katya>carlisle hii darling!
13:16<Katya>look..
13:16<Katya>how can i change the font size of the debian text based installer??
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13:17<carlisle>I just read it, but I'm a total newbie lol
13:17<Katya>aha ok
13:17<carlisle>I'm afraid I can't help you
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13:18<Katya>i wanna be able to record the desktop and upload it to google video .. u know google changes the resolutiion to 400x320
13:18<Katya>.. of any upload
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13:18<carlisle>I didn't know that
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13:18<Katya>ok
13:19<Katya>they do it to keep the speed
13:19<Katya>they do it to keep the speed of streaming
13:20<Katya>well...
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13:21<Katya>regarding your problem...
13:22<carlisle>yes
13:22<carlisle>I am reinstalling xserver LOL
13:22<Katya>did u check which file is read when Xwindows loads up?
13:23<carlisle>how can I check that? I was told it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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13:23<Katya>that's one of the defaults
13:23<carlisle>What is the first file that's read when I login
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13:24<Katya>i cant tell
13:24<Katya>try to do any syntax error in the xorg.conf
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13:24<Katya>and you'll know if that's the file being read
13:24<carlisle>good idea
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13:25<carlisle>ah I did that once
13:25<carlisle>yes it's this file that's being read
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13:27<carlisle>Does google have a full screen option like YouTube?
13:27<Katya>yea
13:27<Katya>it does.. u use the flashplayer plugin
13:27<carlisle>I think you can see the desktop like that, may be a bit blurry though
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13:28<carlisle>the full desktop that is
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13:33<valombre>hi
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13:35<carlisle>everytime I do a search for some debian stuff I always find Ubuntu on google
13:35<valombre>since last week, grub2 gets root parameter by uuid instead of device name, but it seems that my home-compiled kernel doesn't support it -- i get a kernel panic at boot
13:36<valombre>however with a debian precompiled kernel it works well
13:36<valombre>so is there something special to compile in the kernel to allow bootfrom uuid ?
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13:44<sutula>What's the proper Debian place to put firmware, if you have to obtain it and add it by hand, so that hotplug can pick it up?
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13:50*sutula realizes that it's not hotplug any more...how about "...so that udev can pick it up?"
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14:07<lostone>hi
14:07<lostone>i'm just finishing a clean install.
14:07<lostone>i'm at the part where grub is being installed
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14:07<lostone>but i'm not sure where to install grub. i don't want it on the MBR of my xp disk
14:08<tmk>Hi all! I have my all applications in debian in english, but i wanna have polish fonts. All packages with polish fonts I installed, but it can't be displayed
14:08<lostone>i want it on the mbr of the disk where debian is installed and i'll select that using the boot menu
14:08<lostone>a little help?
14:08<tmk>help me somebody ;]
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14:10<PetaWindows>tmk: what window manager do you use?
14:10<lostone>tmk: this room seems kinda dead
14:10<lostone>oops. spoke too soon
14:10<PetaWindows>lostone: no fast enough ^^
14:10<lostone>heh. got me there
14:10<tmk>kde
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14:11<PetaWindows>tmk: did you install KDE polish package?
14:12<tmk>i don't see polish fonts even in console after switch to console ctrl+alt+F??
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14:14<PetaWindows>tmk: if you want kde in polish you must install this package "kde-i18n-pl" and then select polish in KDE control center
14:14<simonrvn>kde stuff wouldn't affect console fonts...
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14:15<PetaWindows>tmk: and the rest of the system must be configured by "locale"... I think xD
14:15<tmk>PetaWindows: i installed it
14:15<PetaWindows>tmk: and did you change the configuration in K control center?
14:16<tmk>i changed config in KDE but it still don't work
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14:16<tmk>my keybord layout is in pl too
14:17<PetaWindows>:0
14:17<tmk>my locale is setting to en_US 8859-1
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14:18<tmk>should i switch it to polish to see my fonts?
14:18<tmk>means 8859-2?
14:18<PetaWindows>tmk: I think I didn't understand your question... what do you mean "my fonts"? :S
14:19<PetaWindows>tmk: ohm.. so, you want your programs in english, but the keyboard in polish. Right?
14:19<tmk>yes exactly
14:19<tmk>we have some letters with tails
14:19<PetaWindows>tmk: you can change the keyboard layout in K control center
14:19<tmk>and it cant be displayed
14:20<cahoot>setxkbmap layout pl?
14:20<PetaWindows>:D
14:21<tmk>layout is set in pl
14:21<tmk>in kde
14:21<cahoot>what if you try the above in a terminal?
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14:24<tmk>cahoot: yes, but setxkbmap works with X-terminal, but i cant see "my tails" even in normal console like xterm
14:25<tmk>i think, that my problem is more deeply
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14:25<cahoot>you have fonts that includes those glyphs?
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14:28<tmk>glyphs? what thas it mean?
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14:29<cahoot>what I meant was thos characters with 'tail' etc
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14:29<tmk>i installed packages with pl fonts
14:30<tmk>it have some phrase like biznet in name
14:31<tmk>aptitude search biznet
14:31<tmk>i xfonts-biznet-100dpi - 100 dpi BIZNET ISO-8859-2 fonts for X servers
14:31<tmk>i xfonts-biznet-75dpi - 75 dpi BIZNET ISO-8859-2 fonts for X servers
14:31<tmk>i xfonts-biznet-base - Standard BIZNET ISO-8859-2 fonts for X servers
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14:33<tmk>aptitude search fonty
14:33<tmk>i fonty - Fonts on Linux console
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14:33<tmk>dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig done, with exit 0
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14:33<lostone>hey. does selecting single-user mode from the grub boot menu automatically log you in as root?
14:34<godlie>hi is it possible to restrict the usable commands within exec?
14:34<lostone>godlie: what is your goal?
14:34<lostone>wait nm
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14:35<godlie>my goal is it to allow only the neccessary commands for imagemagick
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14:36<lostone>i think so. cant remember how to do it though
14:36<godlie>so to say: an config value array in wich i can define the "allowd" commands
14:39<dondelelcaro>godlie: exec of what?
14:39<godlie>the php function named exec
14:39<godlie>needed for several galleries
14:39<godlie>e..g gallery2
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14:40<dondelelcaro>heh; any gallery that is calling imagemagick directly instead of using the imlib2 bindings of php is suspect
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14:41<godlie>yeah that is right but i have to secue my php with gallery2 on it :(
14:41<tmk>i think that i shouldnt reconfigure locales or change any /etc/environment connected with locales
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14:42<simonrvn>dondelelcaro: mind reader
14:43<dondelelcaro>godlie: my point is that securing it is going to be an exercise in pain, because it's probably not coded right at all.
14:43<dondelelcaro>godlie: you'd be far happier and faster if you just used Apache::Gallery. ;-)
14:44<godlie>that might be true, but im not that one who decides about the used gallery
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14:45<tmk>anybody can help me or show me a room in witch i should to go :>
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15:06<SaintK>Good evening
15:06<SaintK>I just tried to ask this question in #perl, but no one seems to be there, so i hope you don't mind asking me in here
15:06<SaintK> I've just installed Debian Etch, and after ran CPAN, now with every module which i try to install i get the following error; 'Running make test - Can't test without successful make - Running make install - make had returned bad status, install seems impossible' , but it does not display any error whatsoever on what it exactly fails. Any idea's on how to solve this?
15:06<dondelelcaro>SaintK: you almost certainly don't need to install modules directly with cpan.
15:06<SaintK>I tried several solutions found on google, such as installing build essentionals etc, but that doesn't seem to work
15:06<dondelelcaro>SaintK: most of the modules you're looking for are already packaged, and you can just install them directly.
15:06<SaintK>dondelelcaro: modules, scripts, not sure how u call em
15:07<SaintK>The command i seem to need to use is 'perl -MCPAN -e 'install Bundle::LWP''
15:07<SaintK>Can i also find these packages using aptitude somehow ?
15:07<dondelelcaro>SaintK: so aptitude install libwww-perl
15:08<dondelelcaro>SaintK: apt-cache search LWP perl; is your friend.
15:09<SaintK>thanks! Gonna give it a try.
15:09<lostone>i cant seem to password protect grub. the file "/sbin/grub-md5-crypt" doesn't seem to exist. is this something i need to install manually?
15:09<dondelelcaro>lostone: it's /usr/sbin/grub-md5-crypt
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15:11<lostone>thanks for that one. google failed me this time.
15:11<lostone>congratulations. you beat google.
15:12<dondelelcaro>lostone: whereis and which and dlocate won't failure, though. ;-)
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15:12<dondelelcaro>lostone: and it should mentioned in the Debian documentation about it.
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15:14<trueno>Hi! How can I undelete vfat files in debian?
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15:14<lostone>trueno: undelete?
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15:15<dondelelcaro>trueno: testdisk may also help you
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15:16<trueno>lostone: yes
15:16<trueno>dondelelcaro: thx
15:16<lostone>i have file recovery down to a science on a windows box, but i never tried it on *nix.
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15:17<dondelelcaro>backups are how you recover files
15:17<schmichael>i'm fighting to get wifi working... anyone know why hostap creates a wlan0 interface when there's already a wifi0 one?
15:17<schmichael>they appear identical
15:17<schmichael>i'm just wondering which one should be the target of my poking :)
15:18<lostone>backups take up hdd space.
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15:18<dondelelcaro>and lack of backups causes great pain and anguish
15:18<dondelelcaro>space is cheap
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15:19<lostone>well, i am broke.
15:19<lostone>and money is the root of all evil
15:19<lostone>*not having money
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15:20<trueno>dondelelcaro: yes, the thing is if you delete the backup you just created
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15:21<dondelelcaro>uh... that's why you have backups elsewhere, where grubby fingers aren't around
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15:22<trueno>dondelelcaro: that was going to be the next step, copy the backup to a second location...
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15:22<trueno>dondelelcaro: it is a disk image i just don't feel like doing again, if possible
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15:22<marcot>Hello.
15:22<edg>hi
15:23<schmichael>*sigh* anyone else using hostap or orinoco wifi drivers? or a thinkpad t30?
15:23<trueno>nop
15:23<marcot>I'm with a fresh etch install, and my C-M-F1 doesn't work.
15:23<marcot>Is this because of the video driver?
15:23<trueno>schmichael: shoot
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15:23<schmichael>trueno: thank god :) i'm trying to use lenny and the orinoco drivers used to work (*not* hostap)
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15:24<schmichael>trueno: but now the closest i can get is: LinkStatus=6 (Association failed) in dmesg
15:24<schmichael>ifup also tells me: wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801
15:24<schmichael>er, i guess thats dhclient being run by ifup
15:24<SaintK>dondelelcaro: Do you know how can i find perl packages such as 'Net::Telnet' on aptitude ?
15:25<schmichael>but iwconfig seems perfectly happy poking at wifi0/wlan0 when i have the hostap modules loaded
15:25<dondelelcaro>SaintK: apt-cache search Net::Telnet
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15:26<trueno>schmichael: so the problem has only to do with the network
15:26<SaintK>dondelelcaro: I don't get it. How is apt-cache differant from aptitude search? Why doesn't aptitude search find this ?
15:26<dondelelcaro>SaintK: because aptitude search doesn't search the descriptions by default
15:26<schmichael>trueno: yeah, it looks like it can't associate
15:26<SaintK>dondelelcaro: Aha, thanks!
15:26<schmichael>but it could in the past
15:26<schmichael>no wep/wpa
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15:26<schmichael>mac filtering but i've tried it with that off
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15:27<trueno>schmichael: you can bring the interface up, right?
15:27<SaintK>dondelelcaro: It cannot find the specific package. So now i am back at my origional problem, that i need to use CPAN to install it :(
15:28<dondelelcaro>SaintK: it's libnet-telnet-perl
15:28<trueno>have you tried to put a static ip?
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15:28<SaintK>amasing :) Thanks!
15:29<dondelelcaro>SaintK: and you would have found it if you ran 'apt-cache search Net::Telnet';
15:29<dondelelcaro>(that's how I found it)
15:29<schmichael>trueno: i'll try a static ip... iwlist scanning can even find my AP
15:29<dondelelcaro>[I lie slightly, as I already knew the name, but whatever.]
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15:29<SaintK>dondelelcaro: I have ran it, got a whole lot of packages as output, but i haven't seen it between it
15:29<trueno>schmichael: have you rebooted the AP?
15:29<dondelelcaro>SaintK: you'd have about 6 packages output
15:29<dondelelcaro>SaintK: read through the list, and you'll find it.
15:30<SaintK>it gives me 4 :P
15:30<dondelelcaro>SaintK: in general, Foo::Bar becomes in debian, libfoo-bar-perl, but you can always find it with apt-cache search Foo::Bar;
15:30<schmichael>trueno: no... but its a linksys running linux (Tomato) firmware, so i never really have trouble with it...
15:30<SaintK>aight cool thanks
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15:30<trueno>schmichael: just in case... mm...
15:31<trueno>schmichael: you said it was just a plain wireless, no wep/wpa/...
15:31<schmichael>right
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15:32<trueno>schmichael: how do you bring the if up?
15:32<schmichael>ifup wlan0
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15:32<trueno>schmichael: try to do it manually
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15:33<pmitros>I would like to search installed packages. Is there some way to limit apt-cache to only show installed packages (--installed only appears to apply to depends)
15:33<pmitros>?
15:33<dondelelcaro>pmitros: no.
15:33<schmichael>trueno: here's my /etc/network/interfaces - http://pastebin.com/m214b4eb7
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15:33<dondelelcaro>pmitros: you can, however, use aptitude search '~i~dFooSearchString'; or similar.
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15:34<pmitros>Ah. Thank you.
15:34<trueno>schmichael: weird..
15:35<trueno>schmichael: does ifconfig -a show proper info after issuing ifup wlan0?
15:35<schmichael>yep, but its still not associating
15:35<schmichael>i don't think i'm to the IP layer yet
15:35<schmichael>iwconfig shows me as having an AP
15:35<schmichael>but iwlist can see mine
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15:36<trueno>schmichael: can you ping your local address?
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15:37<trueno>schmichael: what about route -n
15:38<schmichael>trueno: if i'm not associated to an AP even if my route info is correct, my packets can't get anywhere
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15:39<SaintK>dondelelcaro: It might be me, but i can't find 'CGI::Carp' either on apt-cache. Does it show at your end ?
15:39<schmichael>its also connected to my router via wired ethernet and i'm ssh'd in so i can chat from my desktop and work on it remotely
15:40<trueno>schmichael: you said: <schmichael> iwconfig shows me as having an AP
15:40<schmichael>trueno: oh no! i'm full of lies and deceit! :(
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15:40<schmichael>iwlist does
15:40<dondelelcaro>SaintK: that one may not be packaged.
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15:40<schmichael>as in: iwlist wlan0 scanning
15:40<schmichael>sorry :(
15:41<trueno>schmichael: that's different
15:41<dondelelcaro>SaintK: oh, that's in part of CGI, which is core, iirc.
15:41<SaintK>dondelelcaro: Cool, thanks!
15:41<schmichael>trueno: here's the output of iwconfig wlan0: http://pastebin.com/m224c7524
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15:43<trueno>schmichael: I understand you are asociated then
15:43<trueno>gotta go, will come back later
15:43<schmichael>thanks for your help...
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15:43<schmichael>i don't see how i could be associated though
15:43<schmichael>Access Point: None
15:43<schmichael>wifi0: LinkStatus=6 (Association failed)
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15:44<trueno>sorry, yes I diid not read that
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15:44<trueno>gotta go, paste the logs in case I can have a look at them later
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15:46<jMCg>Hi folks
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15:47<hachi>what's the 'gtk' image directories for in the debian installer stuff?
15:47<_moro_bana_>i will have to connect to ms pptp for internet after installing debian, what should i use?
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15:49<hachi>also, I'm reading over the manual right now, but I can't tell if any of the named options are for specifying the iso image to load on a usb key
15:49<hachi>any hints?
15:49<jMCg>I had a problem with my Debian System (x86, running on a single Athlon) producing VERY HIGH load (30.x~), primarily caused by apache2 (with mod_php5) --- after an upgrade it seems (I can't explain it otherwise) the load problem is gone (load average: 0.88, 1.05, 1.35).
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15:50<jMCg>Now I'd like to know what the problem was, but can't seem to find it in the bug tracker.
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15:50<schmichael>trueno: http://pastebin.com/m66474ea6
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16:04<hachi>where can I find debian testing installer iso images?
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16:07<jMCg>hachi: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/
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16:10<VTommy>hi guys
16:10<VTommy>got a quick question
16:10<lostone>hurry up then
16:10<client>what app do i need to deal with multiple monitors?
16:11<VTommy>i need to download some SVN but i can't it's saying PROPFIND request failed
16:11<jMCg>VTommy: what's the exact error.
16:11<lostone>client: does your video card support multiple monitors?
16:11<client>lostone, yes
16:11<VTommy>that is the error
16:11<lostone>hmm. never done this with linux.
16:11<jMCg>VTommy: what's the URL?
16:12<VTommy>svn: PROFIND request failed on '<site>'
16:12<lostone>clent: seems like it would be in your display settings
16:12<VTommy>http://zombiehorde.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/zombiehorde
16:12<lostone>actually, yeah. i saw it in...
16:12<lostone>just a sec
16:12<jMCg>VTommy: uhm...
16:12<jMCg>That's NOT the URL.
16:12<VTommy>that's all i got
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16:14<VTommy>any idea
16:14<jMCg>http://sourceforge.net/svn/?group_id=142645
16:15<jMCg>Scroll down, read about Subversion Access.
16:15<client>lostone. where are my display settings?
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16:16<lostone>o_O
16:16<lostone>um...
16:16<VTommy>bah thanks jMCg
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16:16<lostone>client: right click on your desktop
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16:16<client>no, that only gets me backgound options
16:19<lostone>yeah. just remembered
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16:32<AFK|Katya>hi all
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16:33<Katya>i want to have very large fonts (like size 24) on the real console the ttyN? how to do that?
16:35<jMCg>VTommy: bah you're welcome
16:36<Katya>jMCg hil
16:36<Katya>jMCg hi
16:36<lostone>hi
16:36<lostone>hi
16:36<Katya>i want to have very large fonts (like size 24) on the real console the ttyN? how to do that?
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16:36<lostone>do you mean in a termal or an actual console?
16:37<Katya>the problem i have is that the upload of the videos to google will be on 400x320
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16:37<Katya>so i want big files
16:37<Katya>so i want big fonts i mean
16:37<hachi>AUGH
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16:37<hachi>cdimage.debian.org keeps redirecting me to a mirror that's on the other side of the planet from me
16:38<hachi>and goes at dialup speeds
16:38<jMCg>Katya: take a look at console-setup
16:38<Katya>i did
16:38<lostone>so edit your /etc/sources.list so it doesn't use cdimage.debian.org
16:38<lostone>hachi: ^^
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16:38<hachi>lostone: I'm just trying to use wget, but I don't know any other mirrors
16:39<Katya>but the only font max size i have is 16
16:39<hachi>mirrors.kernel.org is like 3 hops from me, but I don't know the path to the files on it
16:39<mase>Katya use an lower resolutioon by adding vga=??? in grub? (resoluting in bigger font)
16:39<lostone>what are you downloading?
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16:40<Katya>ok
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16:40<Katya>like?? what hex number? i read abt that
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16:41<mase>Katya: mom
16:41<hachi>lostone: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/current/
16:41<hachi>I'm looking for a mirror that has testing
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16:42<mase>Katya: you can set "vga=ask" to get an list of possible values; you can try some an later add them statically
16:42<Katya>mase i am a Masters in IT mate
16:43<jMCg>*shrug*
16:43<Katya>i am looking for the VESA values... those i couldnt find
16:43<hachi>I want this file: debian-LennyBeta2-i386-netinst.iso
16:43<hachi>on some mirror close to west coast united states
16:43<hachi>anyone know how to locate it?
16:44<lostone>dunno
16:44<mase>Katya ok, what values are you looking for? i thought it was about "bigger" fonts, so vesa mode will (mostly) pull up the consoles resolution (resolution in smaller fonts, visually)
16:45<hachi>I'm in a frelling DC in san francisco and I can't get a debian installer faster than dialup speeds
16:45<hachi>someone must know how to get this image
16:45<Torsten_W>Katya: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/05/24/vga-boot-modes-to-set-screen-resolution/
16:46<mase>Katya 0x317 works in most cases
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17:06<fluor->hey there - is it possible to write in hfsplus
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17:12<NinjaMan>Is it possible to Wake-On-Lan your DHCP server? or do you need to have an ip address 1st on the machine sending the magic packet?
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17:17<mase>NinjaMan good question; i think you have to have an set up ethernet device but there is no need of an "valid" ip address; may be an IP of 0.0.0.0
17:18<mase>NinjaMan because have to be able to "broadcast" ip packages
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17:20<NinjaMan>mase: thanks for the response, I have not manage to get it to work yet, but my switch could be blocking magic packets
17:20<Tuplad>how can I check which users can modify files in a folder ? I mounted a harddrive but I cant change stuff there :}
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17:21<mase>NinjaMan well, hm, but in that case "wake up on lan" would be complete senseless because there is always a switch between?
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17:22<NinjaMan>mase: yes, I just think it is my old switch I might have to replace
17:22<Tuplad>anyone ? :]
17:22<mase>Tuplad mounted what kind of filesystem which what rights?
17:22<Tuplad>mase: it's an external hdd with ext2
17:22<Tuplad>mase: I just wanna check what rights I've got
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17:22<Tuplad>mase: I think I have to change it in fstab
17:22<mase>NinjaMan i don't think so!
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17:23<mase>Tuplad with an external ext2 you have the problem of non coresponding user id's
17:23<NinjaMan>mase: then it is unlikely the switch is the problem .... but I am fresh out of other ideas
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17:25<mase>NinjaMan can you use whireshark on another machine behind the switch? just to verify if any magic packages arrive other computers...
17:25<mase>Tuplad do you have mc? (midnight commander)
17:26<NinjaMan>mase: I will give it a go, is wireshark a debian package?
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17:26<EnriqueI>yeah wireshark should be in the repo
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17:27<MidnightDevil>yo
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17:27<MidnightDevil>is there a screen capture app for x64 ? :) for recording screen
17:27<mase>NinjaMan oh, you are not used to that? yes, its's a debian package... its a gui capturing "ALL" tcp packages so you can read them... buts its hell is there is a lot of traffic...
17:28<NinjaMan>mase: that's ok I have complete control over every node on the network so I can quiet it down
17:28<mase>MidnightDevil recordmydesktop, but i've never tried that
17:29<MidnightDevil>tks :)
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17:29<mase>NinjaMan you can even start it on the sending computer (for testing is there is happening anything)
17:30<mase>NinjaMan (for testing if there is happening anything)
17:30<NinjaMan>mase: unfortunately the sending computer is a windows machine
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17:30<mase>NinjaMan :D
17:30<mase>NinjaMan :D
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17:31<mase>NinjaMan hups... how do you drop a "wakeup" package on windows?
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17:32<NinjaMan>mase: I have a magic packet generator tool for windows
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17:34<Tuplad>mase: no I dont
17:35<mase>Tuplad KDE? GNOME?
17:35<Tuplad>mase: gnome
17:35<Tuplad>mase: but I could do it before though
17:35<Tuplad>mase: I am logged as a normal user now. maybe chmod and chown?
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17:36<mase>Tuplad "ls -l" on console shows you the owner, group and rigths for paths...
17:36<Tuplad>ok thanks :D
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17:37<mase>Tuplad are you going to use the external hd between diferent computers?
17:39<Tuplad>mase: no
17:39<mase>NinjaMan i'm interested to that issue; please tell me if you figured out some stuff...
17:40<NinjaMan>mase: sure
17:40<Tuplad>mase: damn, I cant get it working :D
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17:41<mase>Tuplad you can force "access right for everybody" by executing "chmod -R 777 <path of your mounted device>" as root(!)
17:42<Tuplad>hmm
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17:42<mase>Tuplad but what does "mount" tell you?
17:42<Tuplad>but then all files will get changed, no ?
17:42<mase>Tuplad yes
17:42<mase>Tuplad writable for everybody...
17:42<Tuplad>mase: /dev/sda1 on /mnt/externhdd type ext3 (rw)
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17:43<Tuplad>I dont want to change all files' rights. Cant I do it via fstab for example ?
17:43<mase>Tuplad and what does "ls -l /mnt/externhdd" tell?
17:43<trukulo>hello
17:43<mase>Tuplad and "ls -l /mnt" ?
17:43<Tuplad>oh :O
17:44<Tuplad>I think that just solved it
17:44<Tuplad>the folder I work in has root rights
17:44<lostone>hi. i have a quick question. i'm trying to designate the slave on ide0 in my grub menu.lst file. would that be hd0,0 ?
17:44<mase>lostone no
17:44<lostone>yeah. i just get errors
17:45<mase>lostone you have to set this up, mom
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17:45<lostone>i am not your mother. clean up after yourself
17:45<trukulo>i've just created debs for amule 2.2.1 (etch)
17:46<trukulo>if anyone's interested, tell me
17:46<mase>lostone "mom" was for "moment please"
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17:47<lostone>um, er... yeah. i knew that. ... wrong chan, heh
17:47<mase>lostone there is a /boot/grub/device.map; whats in there on your side?
17:47<maxb_>hdb in linux would usually be (hd1) in grub
17:47<Tuplad>mase: thanks ;)
17:48<maxb_>But it's rather dependent on the BIOS, which can in theory do weird things
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17:48<mase>Tuplad everything solved?
17:48<lostone>btw. the drive was just added to the machine. it wasn't there when grub was installed or configured
17:48<mase>maxb_ no
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17:49<maxb_>no?
17:49<mase>maxb_ you map devices via /boot/grup/devices.map; so /dev/sda is (hd0) in most cases
17:49<maxb_>And how does any of that conflict with what I said?
17:49<mase>maxb_ you (/boot/grub/device.map, sorry)
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17:51<mase>maxb_ grub does not know the drives by the linux way...
17:51<maxb_>Correct
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17:52<mase>maxb_ grub and the bios is "normaly" not involved to that stuff anymore
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17:52<mase>maxb_ argh, sorry, new keyboard
17:52<mase>maxb_ -grub
17:52<maxb_>' grub and the bios is "normaly" not involved to that stuff anymore ' <--- I don't understand what you're trying to say
17:53<mase>maxb_ ignore "grub" at the beginnig of the sentece, sorry...
17:53<maxb_>When GRUB boots, its view of the device numbering is the view that the BIOS presents
17:54<lostone>sorry. so i should check /boot/grub/device.map?
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17:54<mase>lostone little bit complicate; but you know you have to update grub after changing? (update-grub in debian)
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17:54<maxb_>When GRUB is run from within Linux, it has to take a _guess_ at how the boot-time BIOS devices and the Linux devices map onto each other
17:55<maxb_>The device.map exists to allow you to override that guess if it guesses wrongly
17:55<lostone>ok. i haven't changed anything yet. right now grup is configured as it is out of the box. then i added a hard drive. i want to be able to boot to the other os via grub.
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17:56<mase>lostone try to add you slave ("(hd1) /dev/hdb" in the case your slave is normally known as /dev/hdb in linux), reconfigure you menu.lst (to "(hd1)") and start updat-grub
17:57<maxb_>Why are you suggesting update-grub? I don't think it is relevant
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17:57<mase>maxb_ i think so.. but i'm not shure; it's not wrong at all...
17:58<mase>maxb_ i think grub (at boot up time) just dont know what hd1 is unless you reconfigure the stages, but i may e wrong
17:58<mase>maxb_ i think grub (at boot up time) just dont know what hd1 is unless you reconfigure the stages, but i may be wrong
17:59<maxb_>As I understand it, the device.map file is irrelevant at boot time
17:59<maxb_>It exists to control installing grub from within Linux
17:59<mase>maxb_ thats the point
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17:59<mase>maxb_ so you have to reinstall grub
17:59<mase>maxb_ (to mbr)
17:59<maxb_>No you don't
18:00<mase>maxb_ hae?
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18:00<maxb_>lostone: What is the OS on the other disk?
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18:00<lostone>xp
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18:01<maxb_>I think you just need to add an appropriate stanza to your menu.lst file
18:01<mase>maxb_ you told the device.map is not read on boot up; i think so too; but how does grub know what (hd1) is? (the slave); so i thought the reinstall is necessary
18:01<maxb_>mase: Sorry, you thought wrong
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18:02<mase>maxb_ for example: hd0 can be everything you told on installation; /dev/hda, /dev/hdb, /dev/sda, it just works as you told grub on installation (hd0) is /dev/sda for example
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18:03<maxb_>No, that's really not how it works
18:03<mase>maxb_ (i mean the installation of grub on mbr)
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18:05<mase>maxb_ youre right; not stricktly necessary for the first drive(grub already knows by booting), but what about other devices?
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18:06<lostone>ok. i'm just getting more confused
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18:07<maxb_>lostone: Ok, to review: you have a working linux system on hda, and grub set up and booting that. You have a second hard disc hdb, with Windows on it. Is that right so far?
18:07<lostone>well, that depends.
18:07<maxb_>(I will add at this point that Windows tends not to like being moved between computers)
18:07<lostone>when you say hda. what does that mean?
18:08<lostone>does it make a difference what channel it's on
18:08<mase>uff
18:08<lostone>is a master and b slave?
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18:09<maxb_>hda and hdb would usually be the master and slave on the first PATA bus
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18:10<lostone>ok.
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18:10<maxb_>However, rather than speculating, look at what /dev/something-s are listed in the linux fstab or 'mount' command output
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18:10<lostone>ok
18:10<lostone>just a sec
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18:12<maxb_>Also, run 'grub --device-map=new.device.map', which will start a grub shell - immediately quit out of the shell by typing Control-D.
18:12<maxb_>This will have the effect of making grub redo its device map guessing and write the result to the 'new.device.map' file
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18:13<maxb_>which you can then look at to so grub's best guess of what drives exist on your system, and the mapping between grub-style and linux-style names
18:13<maxb_>it's often an accurate guess, but remember it is only a guess
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18:14<MDC__>I'm having problem setting up hostapd in lenny using kernel 2.6.24 with the ath5k (mac80211 stack) - is this possible or is it just configuration error?
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18:15<streuner>!madwifi
18:15<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. No AR5008 support until 0.9.5.
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18:17<MDC__>streuner, when using madwifi (in hostapd) and interface="wlan0" I get ioctl[SIOCSIWMODE]: Invalid argument
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18:18<MDC__>streunder, or do I have to use the madwifi kernel driver for this to work?
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18:19<streuner>no idea, i just use an atheros chipset on my laptop, but you might have a good chance to get an answer in #madwifi
18:20<MDC__>streuner, thanks
18:20<streuner>good luck
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18:24<lostone>sorry gotta eat
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18:28<k-man>well, it seems to be working after a reboot - not sure why
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18:29<Pinguis>Alguien que hable Español ????
18:29<cdlu>!es
18:29<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:33<Katya>i want to have very large fonts (like size 24) on the real console the ttyN? how to do that?
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18:33<Katya>do u know someone who's making such large fonts?
18:34<mase>Katya oh, you again... what was about setting the vga mode to a thing like 80x25?
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18:34<mase>Katya there is no bigger solution i think
18:35<Katya>i am using VMWARE... same thing.. and console setup is working
18:35<Katya>and still such size is yet not acceptable to me
18:35<mase>Katya VMWARE??? for booting linux? and wanting bigger sized font?
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18:36<Katya>i am making tutorials
18:36<Katya>thru vmware
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18:36<mase>Katya ??? ah, showing linux on a beamer?
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18:37<Katya>what does beamer mean ?
18:37<mase>Katya sorry, did not know the VMWARE story
18:37<Katya>ah maybe i should be sorry i did not tell u
18:37<mase>Katya beamer? projecting monitor stuff to a wall for your students?
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18:38<Katya>noo .. i am gonna upload them to google.. they are tottaly in arabic.. u know us.. no much support
18:38<mase>Katya maybe a big missunderstoodment at the whole
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18:39<mase>Katya wy do you want the big font again?
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18:40<Katya>and u know google.. they re-render the video to 400x300.. which will distort the video.. and therefore u need bigger fonts
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18:40<Katya>...so things will be readable at least
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18:40<mase>Katya ok... and why do you use vmware? (instead of an real linux machine)
18:41<Katya>i liked the kernel option for the debian gui installer "theme=dark" it will give bigger fonts
18:41<Katya>i am building over that
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18:41<Katya>i am building over that idea
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18:42<Katya>mase how will u show the installation
18:42<Katya>???
18:42<Katya>u need VMware
18:42<trukulo>or virtualbox
18:42<Katya>well..
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18:42<Katya>i can get the things pirated
18:42<trukulo>virtualbox have a gpl version
18:42<Katya>ok
18:42<mase>Katya oh, the lenny installer is able to take screenshots while installation; don't know how it works but there is the possibility
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18:43<Katya>that's not our talk now
18:43<mase>Katya ? not?
18:43<Katya>i know that regarding screenshots.. but i want things live
18:43<Katya>cos i have my voice in arabic
18:43<mase>Katya ok...
18:44<mase>Katya ok...
18:44<Katya>so therefore i need real console fonts of sizes over 20
18:44<mase>Katya but nevertheless in that case you need an installer option to "bigger size" you font?
18:45<mase>Katya ...not any application, do you?
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18:46<mase>Katya have you checked out the VMWARE options about what condole/terminal is simulated?
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18:55<Katya>ok.. i 'll see that
18:55<Katya>as long as i can do the installer i think that's enough
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18:56<heitor># campos
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19:06<ryks>hi all
19:06<ryks>this is working ?
19:07<ryks>i just was instaling on hdd a knoppix imaaage
19:07<ryks>and i make a< test
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19:08<ryks>so how can i install a plugin for xvid ?
19:08<ryks>with sinaptic >
19:08<ryks>?
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19:09<ryks>e cineva din ro pe aici ?
19:10<ryks>pula mea ca nimeni nu raspunde ....
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19:14<ryks>hi
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19:36<Baxter_Kylie>Hi. Etch question: I have some source I want to create a package from but I don't want to install it to my development environment much less track down all the files to create the directory structure for a deb. Is there a quick way to automate the process from the source directory post-compilation?
19:37<ale_ryu>Hi everyone, I installed some packages this morning(gcjwebplugin and it's dependencies) and now my fusion-icon isn't working, this is what I get when I run it from a terminal: /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/gtk-2.0/gobject/_gobject.so: undefined symbol: PySignal_SetWakeupFd. Did anyone else experience this issue too?
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19:40<ale_ryu>oh, by the way, I'm using lenny
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20:40<tuxie_>hi all, why does debian suck so much?
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20:50<dondelelcaro>tuxie_: ?
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21:01<amycus>whowas amycus
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21:02<amphi>a time for oddness...
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21:08<nixfreak>W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.debian.org lenny/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
21:08<nixfreak>trying to upgrade to lenny
21:08<nixfreak>I was using the net install cd
21:08<nixfreak>but everytime I try to upgrade I get this
21:09<nixfreak>I renamed all the dir in /var/lib/apt
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21:09<dondelelcaro>nixfreak: just run apt-get update;
21:09<nixfreak>yeah I did
21:10<dondelelcaro>nixfreak: then it'll download the Packages file, and it won't give you that error anymore.
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21:10<wsmith>Is there a separate installer chan or is this an appropriate place [can't /list -server too busy]
21:11<nixfreak>what channel you looking for
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21:11<dondelelcaro>wsmith: you can ask questions here
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21:12<wsmith>I'm having issues installing etch. Actually, I don't know where to begin. I'm trying to install etch from the serverbeach rescue console
21:12<wsmith>Their debootstrap does not have the etch scripts. Can I just copy them over or do I need a new debootstrap as well?
21:12<dondelelcaro>wsmith: hrm... their deboostrap should; if it doesn't, see what versions it does have available
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21:13<dondelelcaro>wsmith: alternatively, you could put a local copy of deboostrap somehwere and just use that local copy.
21:13<wsmith>potato sarge sarge.buildd sid sid.buildd slink woody woody.buildd
21:14<wsmith>That was my second question. I cannot find a place to download a simple tarball of debootstrap
21:14<dondelelcaro>wsmith: ok, the easy thing would be to debootstrap sarge and upgrade
21:14<dondelelcaro>wsmith: and then ask your provider to update debootstrap
21:14<wsmith>No leftover problems?
21:14<dondelelcaro>wsmith: nope
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21:15*wsmith launches deboostrap.
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21:16<wsmith>How long does debootstrap take usually?
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21:17<whatever>.
21:17<wsmith>umm. not long apparently.
21:18<dondelelcaro>wsmith: really depends on the machine and the network
21:18<dondelelcaro>can take from less than 3-4 minutes, to hours.
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21:19<wsmith>all done already
21:19<dondelelcaro>wsmith: now you just want to chroot, edit the sources.list, and upgrade to etch.
21:19<wsmith>Now, with etch and it's new shiny installer, is it possible to run the installer on the bootstrapped system, or do I have to configure fstab, networking manually still?
21:20<dondelelcaro>wsmith: you'd just configure that manually; it's pretty fast.
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21:21<VTommy>hi guys
21:21<VTommy>anyone know what has replaced webmin?
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21:21<dondelelcaro>VTommy: nothing has
21:22<VTommy>k
21:22<VTommy>any other tool like that?
21:22<dondelelcaro>VTommy: shell+editor is the way to go
21:22<wsmith>dondelelcaro, a bunch of packages are being held back. Can/should I force them through?
21:22<VTommy>or maybe someone knows of a way to have ssh on website?
21:22<dondelelcaro>VTommy: why would you ever do that?
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21:23<dondelelcaro>wsmith: nah; just upgrade aptitude first, and use aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; and you should be all set.
21:23<dondelelcaro>wsmith: you can read the release notes if you've got questions
21:23<VTommy>because i'm usualy at customers using there computers with no putty or ssh software with website i'd be able to access is without loading a software on the customers computer
21:24<dondelelcaro>VTommy: you don't administer machines from machines you don't control
21:24<VTommy>dondelelcaro: make sence, but i'm just asking if it those exist?
21:25<dondelelcaro>VTommy: they do, but you don't want to use them.
21:25<VTommy>dondelelcaro: ok, got the message :-P
21:26<dondelelcaro>(there are java ssh clients, and ISTR a javascript one)
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21:36<wsmith>dondelelcaro apt seems kinda broken now. Can't install linux-image because "You have held broken packages"
21:36<dondelelcaro>wsmith: hrm; give the full output, and I can see what's going on
21:37<wsmith>dondelelcaro http://sial.org/pbot/31303
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21:38<wsmith>basically, the steps i followed were a) debootstrap sarge b) update sources and aptitude upgrade c) continue with debootstrap guide here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en
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21:39<dondelelcaro>wsmith: ok, did you run aptitude update; first?
21:40<wsmith>yes.
21:40<wsmith>will pastebot the results of that
21:40<dondelelcaro>wsmith: ok, can you run apt-cache policy initramfs-tools; ?
21:41<wsmith>installed: none. candidate: none
21:42<wsmith>http://sial.org/pbot/31304 for the output of dist-upgrade
21:42<dondelelcaro>wsmith: hrm... that's not right; that package is definetly in etch.
21:42<dondelelcaro>wsmith: run apt-cache policy; really quick.
21:43<dondelelcaro>wsmith: oh, you only have a deb-src line for etch. You need a deb line.
21:43<wsmith>http://sial.org/pbot/31305
21:43<dondelelcaro>wsmith: you should have a line like deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free
21:43<wsmith>you're right -- I missed that.
21:43<dondelelcaro>(you have it's equivalent which starts with deb-src)
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21:45<wsmith>I didn't read the instructions all the way in step D.3.4.4
21:45<dondelelcaro>no worries
21:46<wsmith>Ah. That's more like it.
21:48<wsmith>Thanks again dondelelcaro. Take care!
21:48<dondelelcaro>wsmith: np; good luck.
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21:53<xid>[03:11] serverbeach ?
21:53<happiness>Anybody here??
21:53<xid>.
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21:53<happiness>ubuntu??
21:54<xid>no
21:54<blarson>!ubuntu
21:54<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
21:55<happiness>oh....
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21:57<happiness>Who used the ubuntu??
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22:04<VTommy>is lenny better then etch? should i upgrade?
22:04<dondelelcaro>VTommy: it's not released
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22:05<dondelelcaro>VTommy: so you should wait until it's released and then upgrade
22:05<VTommy>dondelelcaro: k, because i was looking for libpcre++-dev and it showed me in lenny not etch
22:06<VTommy>dondelecaro: i have upgrade some application to lenny should i revert back?
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22:08<dondelelcaro>up to you
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22:08<dondelelcaro>if you're comforatble with handling some breakage as lenny gets closer to release, you can keep with lenny.
22:09<VTommy>dondelelcaro: alright thanks for info :-)
22:09<xid>VTommy, [03:11] serverbeach ?
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22:15*woodorw SMILE
22:16<Xenguy>.oO(Debian is worth smiling for ... :)
22:17<woodorw>it is the 1st time to use xchat and i just hang around to see how to ...
22:18<Xenguy>woodorw: have fun, this channel can sometimes be slow, there are others :-)
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22:20<woodorw>i think it is better for me to learn something more about IRC first
22:20<woodorw>that will make it easy to communicate with others
22:21<Xenguy>woodorw: google a good irc howto
22:21<Xenguy>woodorw: it's pretty simple
22:21<woodorw>nice, i will be back lol~ thx
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22:30<lostone>yeah baby
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22:36<tymonn_>howdy
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22:37<tymonn_>how do i mount an NTFS drive? i installed ntfs-3g
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22:37<tymonn_>/dev/sda1 /media/C ntfs-3g umask=0,nls=utf8 0 0
22:37<tymonn_>in FSTAB
22:37<tymonn_>but still... :x nothing
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22:45<dondelelcaro>ElectricElf: you alive?
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23:20<raven>hello any body out there
23:20<raven>lets char pls
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