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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-06-14

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01:25<Yulo>hola a todos
01:25<Yulo>alguien habla español por acá
01:27<Yulo>Hay algún mormón en este canal?
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02:16<cesurasean>what is the best way to tar my whole system and back it up?
02:16<cesurasean>tar it, then shoot it accross a network via samba or ssh
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02:17<cesurasean>any advice?
02:20<cesurasean>please
02:22<ntbnnt>compress it in a physical enviroment
02:22<ntbnnt>??
02:22<cesurasean>yes
02:22<cesurasean>a running environment
02:22<ntbnnt>alrighty then
02:22<cesurasean>I want to copy it with tar
02:22<ntbnnt>then do with it as you please
02:22<cesurasean>I tried rsync, but it doesn't work out too well maybe because it's going on an NTFS filesystem, and it's ext3
02:23<ntbnnt>hmmm
02:23<ntbnnt>its a large file
02:23<ntbnnt>got gigabit
02:23<cesurasean>no
02:23<cesurasean>you mean if I tar it?
02:23<ntbnnt>yup
02:23<cesurasean>good point
02:23<cesurasean>that's the downside
02:23<cesurasean>do you think maybe rsync is not copying files over because it's NTFS and not ext3?
02:24<ntbnnt>i would recommend you use some of that gigabit goodness
02:24<ntbnnt>i don't think rsync cares
02:24<cesurasean>hold on need batteries for wireless mouse
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02:24<ntbnnt>cough, my mouse doesn't use batteries
02:24<ntbnnt>time to upgrade
02:24<cesurasean>are you sure rsync wouldn't make a difference going to NTFS filesystem?
02:25<ntbnnt>i'm not positive, check some documentation
02:25<ntbnnt>i don't see why it would care
02:28<cesurasean>yeah batteries were dead
02:28<cesurasean>that was gay
02:28<cesurasean>you should upgrade
02:28<cesurasean>wireless mouse is nice
02:28<cesurasean>never tugging on the cord for more room, etc
02:28<cesurasean>except now, you have the batteries dying
02:28<cesurasean>lol
02:29<cesurasean>it's cool if you want to use movies from a distance, maybe watch some pornos
02:29<cesurasean>I guess that's the ultimate lazy though..
02:30<cesurasean>im off
02:30<cesurasean>later
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03:06<doodle>valdyn: Hey... u helped me with a drive ordering problem (hda hdq). Thought u might like to know, found out that for 4.0 r0, the cd I was using this was a known issue in machines with multiple ide controllers. I'm reinstalling an 4.0 r3 cause kept getting failed boots waiting for root even with UUIDs, IDs and LABELS in fstab. Thanks a million for your help though. I'm going to know this machine better than any other I've built.
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03:21<sandrinux>hi all. I have just installed etch via netinstall CD , then I did the upgrade to lenny changing the apt sources file (etch->lenny) . The problem is that my wireless intel 3945 don't works. Googoling I found that in the new kernel I have to use the nex firmware-iwlwifi , and not the old ipw3945 module. So I try a "apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi" but it doesn't work...:-\ can you please tell me how to do ?
03:21<gsimmons>!tell sandrinux -about iwlwifi
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03:22<gsimmons>sandrinux: You'll need to amend your sources.list to include non-free sources, before you are able to install the relevant firmware package.
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03:23<sandrinux>thanks gsimmons
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04:23<jaski> Hi, I'm running legacy h/w (366 MHz celeron, with 2x4GB ITE drives and 1x160GB usb drive on my onboard 1 MB/sec. USB). One 4GB drive is needed for Win98 :( and the other is almost full of Etch. My question: is it reasonable to move any significant part (say 1 GB) of the Debian inst. to the usb drive?
04:25<jaski>Oops! ITE = IDE
04:26<cahoot>put /home there?
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04:29<jaski>cahoot: I've done that but I still only have ~400 MB free. Also , the usb drive is considered to be external, which means that I can't run the xsu script from my home dir.
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04:33<jaski>cahoot: Does it seem reasonable to move /usr/share/* to the usb drive?
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04:36<cahoot>jaski: make a try and see how turpid it gets?
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04:37<jaski>cahoot: OK :-P and thanx
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05:29<gsimmons>schmichael: (re hostap) wifi0 is the master radio interface, wlan0 is the first virtual interface for that radio. See the hostap FAQ.
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05:31<Algol>Oi.
05:32<Algol>Oi.
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05:44<Elessar>hello
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05:44<Elessar>do you know how lenny's installer can determine the hostname it suggests to the user?
05:46<Elessar>that's very strange, i am installing a personnal lenny system to a laptop from my employeer, at home, with no reverse dns, and i suggests me "tortolo-dell', that is the name this laptop was given by my employeer
05:47<Elessar>as if it was written somewhere in the hardware...
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06:01<Skrat>Hi all
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06:07<carlisle>How do I add commands to be run at startup to my debian system? What is the login script for that?
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06:10<cahoot>carlisle: running gnome?
06:10<carlisle>yes
06:11<carlisle>Hi cahoot
06:11<cahoot>carlisle: look at system->prefs->sessions...
06:11<carlisle>I want to startup the network/internet connection
06:11<cahoot>carlisle: then edit /etc/network/interfaces
06:12<carlisle>ok, so sessions is not good for that?
06:12<cahoot>no
06:12<carlisle>thanks
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06:17<carlisle>cahoot you said yesterday that I should put auto eth1 and iface inet dhcp but there are no manual pages for auto or iface. So they're not commands but configurations for some program?
06:17<cahoot>yes
06:17<cahoot>iface eth1 inet dhcp
06:17<carlisle>What program is that?
06:18<gsimmons>carlisle: man interfaces
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06:18<cahoot>ifup?
06:18<carlisle>Ok
06:20<carlisle>Ok that worked, thanks :)
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06:33<carlisle>I just installed firefox using aptitude install firefox, but I can't see it in my gnome menus anywhere. Is there any way to add it to the menus?
06:34<cahoot>find iceweasel?
06:34<carlisle>yes
06:34<carlisle>it's in network apps
06:34<cahoot>that's ff
06:34<carlisle>ahhhh
06:34<carlisle>ok thanks lol
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06:34<carlisle>When was it renamed?
06:34<cahoot>it's a debianism
06:35<cahoot>long story
06:35<carlisle>ok
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06:35<carlisle>but it's the same browser version?
06:35<cahoot>except for the logo yes (AFAIK)
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06:38<carlisle>The plugin download never works for me in firefox
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06:40<cahoot>correct
06:40<Skrat>It's something to do with the copyright of the firefox logo
06:40<Skrat>Debian team didn't like having a copywritten logo in their distrp, i should think. It being completely free and everything..
06:40<Skrat>distro*. Anyway, now you know
06:40<cahoot>you have to use aptitude
06:41<carlisle>I am searching in aptitude now
06:41<cahoot>what do you want/need?
06:41<carlisle>Flash player plugin
06:42<cahoot> flashplugin-nonfree I suppose
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06:42<carlisle>thanks, but it's free I suppose
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06:43<cahoot>aptitude show flashplugin-nonfree
06:43<Skrat>Not in the debian way, carlisle
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06:43<carlisle>ahhhh
06:43<carlisle>LOL ok
06:44<carlisle>different license
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06:46<carlisle>I have a problem with the package lists when I start up aptitude. I added the following servers to /etc/apt/sources.list -> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
06:46<carlisle> deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free
06:46<carlisle> deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free
06:46<carlisle>ooops
06:47<carlisle>It keeps telling me, that some lists could not be read
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06:47<cahoot>non-US is obsolete
06:48<carlisle>couldn't stat source package list http://non-us.debian.org ... it said some packages could not be read for flahsplugin installation. Any servers I am missing?
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06:49<cahoot>comment out the non-US line
06:49<carlisle>ok
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06:52<carlisle>still doesn't install flashplugin -> The following packages have been kept back: cpio lignutils13 libkrb53 ..
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06:56<xid>chealer, http://www.debian-multimedia.org/
06:56<xid>grr
06:56<xid>carlisle, , http://www.debian-multimedia.org/
06:57<xid>sorry chealer ,
06:57<carlisle>thanks xid
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06:58<xid>np
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07:28<Wargasm>hey guys
07:28<Wargasm>anyone willing to help a debian noob..
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07:28<Wargasm>i need to know how to add repositories
07:29<weasel>edit your sources.list
07:29<Wargasm>where is that located
07:29<Wargasm>and how do i know what are good repos
07:29<weasel>"man sources.list" would tell you that
07:29<weasel>and the only good repo is the debian repository.
07:29<weasel>adding others might break your system
07:29<Wargasm>yeah
07:30<Wargasm>i need to find broadcom drivers and nothing is coming up
07:31<Wargasm>with the default repos
07:31<Wargasm>even tried apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
07:31<Wargasm>and it said it couldnt find anything
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07:33<gsimmons>Wargasm: If you're using Etch, you'd want to acquire this from debian-volatile.
07:33<gsimmons>!bcm43xx-fwcutter etch
07:33<dpkg>as of Etch r3 (17 Feb 2008), bcm43xx-fwcutter can be found in the debian volatile repository. Include volatile in your sources.list and then "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" to install the latest version of the bcm43xx-fwcutter package and download the firmware. Ask me about <volatile>.
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07:35<Wargasm>ok so how do i add volatile to sources
07:35<gsimmons>Wargasm: /msg dpkg volatile
07:36<Wargasm>thanks
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07:41<baricentro>Hi to everyone!!!
07:41<baricentro>I have a problem with phpgroupware. Who can help me.
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07:42<baricentro>I have a problem with phpgroupware filemanager. Who can help me.
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07:46<adii>hello
07:47<baricentro>Hi!
07:47<adii>I need to change the "last modification date" of some files. is there something handy to do that ?
07:47<less>touch
07:48<less>Use the touch command on those files (see man touch).
07:48<adii>oki i'll check that out
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08:07<FoxM>Hi! Bash question: I have some files named abc01def, abc02wty, abc03bnu... abc20xyz. I want to open files abc16mmj to abc20xyz. I tried with " $ program abc`seq 16 20`* " but this did not work, as it generates the sequence abc16, 17, 18, 19, 10* and not abc16*, abc17*, abc18* abc19*, abc20*, which is desired. HOw can I achieve this?
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08:25<ryks>hi all
08:26<ryks>i have a proablem in debian
08:26<ryks>well
08:26<ryks>with my screen size
08:26<ryks>of my laptop
08:26<ryks>:)
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08:27<ryks>well is my first time here ever
08:27<ryks>so i don t know how ...
08:27<ryks>heheh
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08:29<ryks>hello
08:29<ryks>this is working /.
08:29<ryks>>>???
08:29<ryks>enyone ?
08:29<baricentro>Hey ryks, what's your problem?
08:29<ryks>hi there
08:29<ryks>i m from spain
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08:29<baricentro>I'm from Italy.
08:29<ryks>so i just install a knoppix os
08:30<ryks>is a debian kernel <
08:30<baricentro>then?
08:30<ryks>so on my laptop i cannot see all
08:30<ryks>is just a small image on the center of the screen
08:30<fxiny>knoppix is not debian
08:30<ryks>hehehe
08:30<ryks>well yes
08:30<ryks>is a debian
08:30<fxiny>wrong chan
08:30<baricentro>Right fx!
08:30<Nemoder>!knoppix
08:30<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
08:30<ryks>no
08:31<ryks>i have is on my hdd
08:31<ryks>installed
08:31<ryks>heheh
08:31<Nemoder>it is still not debian
08:31<ryks>whitout cd
08:31<ryks>when i boot i have a grub
08:31<ryks>says debian and the evrsion
08:31<ryks>...
08:31<ryks>so what about that screen
08:31<ryks>>?
08:32<Nemoder>~based on debian
08:32<Nemoder>erf
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08:32<ryks>well
08:32<Nemoder>!based on debian
08:32<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
08:32<famelix>hi
08:32<ryks>i don t know is like ...don t use this is wrong ..hehehe
08:32<ryks>is fast linux
08:32<baricentro>Does anyone use phpgroupware-filemanager???
08:32<ryks>for me
08:33<famelix>ok
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08:33<ryks>well i think the problem is from my laptop?
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08:33<ryks>the image is strached..
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08:34<fxiny>the problem is you not asking why we run debian instead of knoppix
08:34<ryks>no
08:35<ryks>i don t have full screnn on my laptop
08:35<ryks>i think the problem is from bios...
08:35<ryks>is a toshiba tecra ...
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08:40<ryks>ok mguys
08:40<ryks>ok guys ?
08:40<ryks>tell me how can i get a nice version of debian?
08:40<ryks>and from where
08:40<ryks>?
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08:43<fxiny>ryks: http://cdimage.debian.org/ , browse to http://www.debian.org/ for info ,links ,how to ,docs . you can ask here for assistance
08:44<fxiny>ryks: check out network install
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08:47<ryks>thz guys for support
08:47<ryks>:)
08:47<ryks>nice comunity
08:47<ryks>hehehe
08:47<fxiny>welcome
08:47<ryks>i cannot see this help< in windows sheet
08:47<ryks>hehe
08:48<ryks>i chose knoppix because has a nice collection of scaners
08:48<ryks>:)\
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08:50<ryks>so guys must go ,ths for all ,i will come back sometimes ..heheh
08:50<ryks>kisses from spain
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09:01<ryks>plz tell me why should i install debian ?
09:01<ryks>why not ubuntu ?
09:02<ryks>is better the debian ?
09:02<ryks>secure?
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09:03<mase>ryks ... well, ... debian is the original ;)
09:03<ryks>hehehe
09:03<ryks>lol
09:03<ryks>is like ....i don t know
09:04<witte>ryks: the main difference between the two is the approach
09:04<witte>ryks: debian is start from little and add the thing you need in a convenient and stable (secure) way
09:04<ryks>did you know ,if a program complet s me ,i chose this program
09:05<ryks>i know is a clone
09:05<ryks>but debian is a clone too ,right ?
09:05<ryks>unix......
09:05<ryks>hehehe
09:05<witte>ryks: ubuntu is: bring gadget in so that anyone can use it right away
09:05<witte>ryks: linux is no unix clone
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09:06<ryks>yes
09:06<ryks>is unix
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09:07<ryks>a lot of command s here you can find it on unix
09:07<ryks>80% i think
09:07<ryks>so....
09:07<witte>ryks: it is unix-like, but no clone
09:07<ryks>i was tastad last week ubuntu 8.04
09:08<witte>ryks: you mean because they have programs that are available on both with the same name, it is a clone
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09:08<ryks>no
09:08<ryks>the original is UNIX
09:08<ryks>debian and all stuf after .....they are clone
09:08<ryks>updated clones
09:09<ryks>with better kernels
09:09<ryks>with a lot of users
09:09<ryks>stuff like this
09:09<witte>ryks: i have better thing to do than to discuss these things with you, first read something before you proclaim things
09:09<ryks>sure
09:09<ryks>scuse me i just like to exprim what i know
09:10<ryks>is like windows
09:10<ryks>was a aplle aplication
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09:10<ryks>hehehe
09:10<ryks>stolen
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09:16<gizmokaka>I am having a problem figuring out my cpu temp
09:16<gizmokaka>i installed the conky app
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09:16<gizmokaka>and my configuration shows me a temperature i don't trust.
09:17<gizmokaka>therefor i want to check the temperature from shell
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09:17<abrotman>!why debian
09:17<dpkg>http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/
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09:17<abrotman>even though he's gone
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09:17<abrotman>gizmokaka: usually in /proc/acpi/ somewhere
09:17<gizmokaka>i installed the
09:17<gizmokaka>lm_sensors
09:17<gizmokaka>and did sensors-detect,
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09:18<gizmokaka>followed all guiding, with continuous approving with yes
09:18<gizmokaka>for the modules it detected
09:18<gizmokaka>when doing 'sensors'
09:19<gizmokaka>i see an output a bit different (one can say partial) then those on the net
09:20<gizmokaka>http://paste.debian.net/6453
09:20<gizmokaka>this is the output
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09:20<gizmokaka>If i can trust the temp i see here on temp1 temp2, I guess that 1 is one core and 2 is the other,
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09:21<gizmokaka>then i wan't to know how to make conky show the right temp for each core of cpu
09:21<gizmokaka>but first i would like to know that what I see is supposed to be correct
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09:22<lord_rob>HI ! How do I know in which package /path/to/file belongs ?
09:22<VSv>hi
09:23<gizmokaka>blarson: Hi
09:23<VSv>i'm brazilian
09:24<VSv>and I uses
09:24<VSv>kurumin linux
09:24<VSv>version
09:24<VSv>and you
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09:25<lord_rob>there was a command with dpkg to know what package a given file belonged to, but I don't remember what it is ...
09:25<avu>dpkg -S /path/to/file
09:25<dpkg>There is no record of a /path/to/file package
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09:26<avu>lord_rob, that will only work if /path/to/file exists on your system though. if you want to search for files in packages you have *not* installed, use apt-file for example
09:27<VSv>i have a problem , I am trying install a program, but when a put "make" the console send me a warninnig from error
09:29<lord_rob>thanks avu
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09:30<gsimmons>!tell VSv -about kurumin
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09:34<VSv>many people say that kurumin is bad to operates
09:34<VSv>but I like it
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09:35<avu>VSv, this is a debian channel, you are wrong here
09:35<gizmokaka>abrotman: thanks man, but do you know exectly were?
09:35<gizmokaka>I don't see any temperature info there
09:35<abrotman>mine is $ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
09:35<abrotman>temperature: 49 C
09:35<gizmokaka>for my cpu's
09:36<abrotman>your acpi might not support it
09:36<VSv>no
09:36<gizmokaka>sec I will try
09:36<VSv>i'm learning about debian
09:36<VSv>i love linux
09:37<avu>VSv, but you are not using debian but kurumin
09:37<VSv>and I like all versions
09:37<gizmokaka>I have the thermal_zone dir, but not the THRM one
09:37<VSv>I give dual boot
09:37<VSv>I have many versions Linux
09:37<VSv>but
09:38<VSv>then
09:38<VSv>i will go
09:38<VSv>alredy you says
09:38<VSv>bye
09:38<gizmokaka>how come i don't support that? i have a brand new machine with an updated linux
09:38<witte>gizmokaka: which kernel do you have (uname -a)
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09:38<gizmokaka>2.5.24 kernel
09:39<gizmokaka>2.6.24 of course
09:39<witte>gizmokaka: ok, that is fairly new. maybe nobody wrote the drivers yet
09:39<gizmokaka>abrotman:
09:39<witte>gizmokaka: is it a laptop?
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09:40<gizmokaka>witte: no, it's a pc
09:40<gizmokaka>no drivers to see the cpu temperature?
09:40<witte>gizmokaka: could be that you have to wait a few kernel versions until the drivers are available, or check the motherboard manufacturer's website
09:40<gizmokaka>sounds weird
09:40<abrotman>or the acpi website
09:41<witte>gizmokaka: the acpi driver needs to be able to read it
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09:41<gizmokaka>it's giga-byte, you think they might have drivers for linux ?
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09:42<Skrat>The phrase is GB
09:42<witte>gizmokaka: mine works ok
09:43<witte>gizmokaka: but my drivers were just from mainstream linux kernel
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09:43<Tarcas>Skrat: Gigabyte is a brand. GB is a size. If you're going to correct people, pay attention to the context.
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09:43<witte>gizmokaka: check their website with the model you have
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09:43<Skrat>Tarcas; my apologies, i wasn't here for that part.
09:44<client>hi, i downloaded KDE (kde package as well as kde-core kmd) and it asked if i would like kde as my desktop enviorment, but it has not taken affect, do i need to change something in my xorg.conf file?
09:44<witte>gizmokaka: or do "update-pciids" and check for the chipset used in lspci
09:45<witte>client: when you boot, you get a graphical login?
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09:45<client>yes
09:45<witte>client: there should be a "session" tab somewhere, where you can choose your windowmanager
09:45<witte>client: or log out, change windowmanager, and log in again
09:45<client>witte, i though to look there as i loged in this time. thank you.
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09:47<gizmokaka>witte:
09:48<gizmokaka>sorry went to the lav...
09:48<gizmokaka>i am reading your threads
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09:52<gizmokaka>lspci show the right chipset
09:52<gizmokaka>witte: lspci shows the right chipset
09:52<gizmokaka>ICH9
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09:54<gizmokaka>witte: did you see my comment?
09:55<gizmokaka>abrotman: what am i supposed to do with the acpi website?
09:56<abrotman>i thought it used to list supported devices .. but it's been awhile since i've been there
09:56<witte>gizmokaka: well, yes, but i can't help you from here, just check if everything is already supported: on the website of acpi, your manufacturer and google...
09:56<witte>gizmokaka: good luck :-)
09:56<gizmokaka>it's full of specifications and other stuff
09:56<gizmokaka>didn't see if i am supported.
09:57<abrotman>also, sometimes your BIOS will also report the temp
09:57<gizmokaka>thanks
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09:57<gizmokaka>yep i know, i just want it on the fly, from my desktop,
09:57<gizmokaka>i don't wanna reboot for that
09:58<gizmokaka>apt-get update acpi
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10:02<gizmokaka>the question is why is my thermal_zone directory is empty?
10:02<gizmokaka>witte : how come i have the thermal_zone directory but nothing under it?
10:02<abrotman>is your thermal module loaded ?
10:02<gizmokaka>seems weird
10:03<gizmokaka>i am not sure,
10:03<erKURITA>modprobe thermal_zone
10:03<erKURITA>add -l to that
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10:03<gizmokaka>let me see
10:05<gizmokaka>abrotman, erKURITA, OK i did the modprove thermal_zone -l
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10:06<gizmokaka>still my thermal_zone dir is empty
10:06<gizmokaka>should i m-a install that module? maybe it's not installed?
10:06<erKURITA>modprobe, not modprove
10:07<gizmokaka>yeh of course, it's a misspelling made only here
10:07<erKURITA>and it's modprobe -l thermal_zone
10:07<erKURITA>also, make sure it's the right name
10:08<erKURITA>otherwise, you'll have to m-a the module
10:08<gizmokaka>well I looked it up in m-a but couldn't find thermal_zone there
10:09<erKURITA>question
10:09<gizmokaka>BTW, why the -l ?
10:09<gizmokaka>without it i received an error the thermal_zone doesn't exist
10:09<gizmokaka>OK
10:10<erKURITA>does your motherboard even has support for thermal measure?
10:10<erKURITA>the -l lists modules
10:10<erKURITA>if it didn't appear, then it means you don't have it
10:10<gizmokaka>I guess it does, it's a very new mobo
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10:11<gizmokaka>and it didn't appear
10:11<erKURITA>use ...
10:11<abrotman>gizmokaka: acpi -t .. anything returned ?
10:11<erKURITA>damn it, what was the name again...
10:11<abrotman>$ acpi -t
10:11<abrotman> Battery 1: charged, 96%
10:11<abrotman> Thermal 1: ok, 51.0 degrees C
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10:11<erKURITA>ah yes
10:11<erKURITA>!mbmon
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10:12<gizmokaka>nope
10:12<gizmokaka>it's no support for device type: thermal
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10:13<gizmokaka>erKURITA: what is mbmon?
10:13<erKURITA>it's a motherboard daemon that retrieves thermal and other info
10:13<erKURITA>brb food
10:13<gizmokaka>mobo monitor?
10:13<gizmokaka>how do i run it?
10:13<gizmokaka>brb food?
10:14<Tarcas>he'll Be Right Back. He's getting breakfast.
10:14<gizmokaka>abrotman: did you see my reply?
10:14<abrotman>yes, which isn't good
10:14<gizmokaka>oh thanks
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10:15<gizmokaka>yep it's not very good for me
10:15<gizmokaka>but how do i install this module?
10:15<gizmokaka>i do have acpi, might it be that the newer kernel i have doesn't support the thermal module
10:16<gizmokaka>the drivers do not exist?
10:16<Tarcas>http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/mbmon
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10:17<Tarcas>seems to be broken. Try the google cache: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:03SS_bvOm6YJ:packages.debian.org/testing/admin/mbmon+mbmon+debian&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
10:17<witte>gizmokaka: it seems i also have nothing in the thermal_zone directory, but with gkrellm i can read my temperatures
10:18<witte>gizmokaka: maybe they are somewhere else :-)
10:18<gizmokaka>oh, so i should install that in that case
10:18<abrotman>a few of the debian.org systems are MIA
10:18<witte>gizmokaka: gkrellm is just a monitor, it does not do anything itself
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10:19<Tarcas>gizmokaka: Try "apt-get install mbmon"
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10:20<gizmokaka>it's like that
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10:25<gizmokaka>i installed mbmon, it gave me a 109 temperature,
10:25<gizmokaka>i am hoping it's in fahrenheit
10:25<gizmokaka>:)
10:25<gizmokaka>the gkrellm is not showing temperature also
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10:25<Gekz>lolol
10:25<Gekz>pwned.
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10:30<gizmokaka>witte, i see a 190 temp value in the mbmon
10:30<gizmokaka>this is not good, it's about 87 celcius degrees
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10:30<gizmokaka>it's not very possible also, seems like it's a fake temp
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10:31<witte>gizmokaka: yes, that is too much, your bios should give an error if it really was that much
10:31<witte>gizmokaka: seems your acpi stuff is in a really bad shape
10:31<gizmokaka>how do i install that?
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10:32<gizmokaka>fix it
10:32<witte>gizmokaka: don't know
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10:32<gizmokaka>OK thanks man i will try to figure it out myself
10:33<gizmokaka>thanks to all of you for your help
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10:34<erKURITA><Tarcas> he'll Be Right Back. He's getting breakfast. <= meal, exactly
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11:20<AndresVia>Hi!
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11:21<Villarroel>How can I resize (grow) the underlay partition of the root filesystem?
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11:34<witte>Villarroel: gparted could do that, but do it from a live cd
11:34<Villarroel>witte, I know but I don't want to reboot. :p
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11:35<witte>Villarroel: in that case, don't do it :-)
11:35<witte>Villarroel: or you can move a directory somewhere else and mount it on the original location
11:35<eksirf>I am running ssh on a debian server (it is openssh-server 4.3p2-9etch2) - and I wonder if I can use Match in this Version? I want to use Match/ForceCommand/Chroot to keep an user from using an other protocol than sftp and using an other directory
11:35<witte>Villarroel: or check which directory is too large (use du --max-depth=1 -h)
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11:44<Villarroel>Ok, Thanks, Bye.
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11:46<gsimmons>eksirf: Etch's 'openssh-server' version doesn't support the Match directive. You may want to consider using a restricted shell instead, such 'scponly' or 'rssh'.
11:47<graograman>ï©ÿ ï ï ï ÿ ï ÿ ï ï ï ÿ ï ï ï©ï ï ÿ ï ï ï ï ÿ ï ï ï ï ï ï ï ï ï ï ï ï ï ï ï ÿ ÿ ÿ ÿ ÿ ï ï ÿ
11:47<cahoot>absolutely
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11:47<graograman>ÿ ï ï ï ï ÿ ÿ ÿ ÿ ÿ ï ï ÿ ÿ ÿ ÿ ï ÿ ï ï ï
11:47<usuario>hello
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11:49<eksirf>Kind of complicate I think. The only thing I wanted to do ist garanting one (s)ftp user access to /var/home/yourhomepage - and only to this directory
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11:50<eksirf>can I use the stable ssh version for this? Or ist there an other simple way to solve this problem? chroot seems to be to much for this problem
11:51<eksirf>the testing ssh version of course
11:52<abrotman>!ru
11:52<dpkg>methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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12:00<Tibu1988>hola a todos
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12:00<Tibu1988>alguien sabe como editar el crontab desde un script
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12:03<azeem>!pt
12:03<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
12:03<azeem>oops
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12:07<olli>Hi
12:07<morphium>hi
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12:07<olli>I've a problem with my triple head Xinerama setup.
12:08<Piet_>hi
12:09<olli>I've one ATI card for two monitors and a second SiS card for the third monitor.
12:09<Piet_>i'm trying to purge flashplugin-nonfree on sid but the post-removal script hangs
12:09<Piet_>how can i convince dpkg to purge the package nonetheless?
12:09<Piet_>dpkg -P --force-all didn't work
12:09<dpkg>Piet_: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
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12:10<Piet>oops
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12:12<olli>My problem is, that when I open an application on the remote server, it opens on the middle screen and every thing is ok, but when I move it to one of the other screens, it turns black.
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12:14<witte>Piet: what error do you get?
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12:14<olli>I've tried it with dual head and with the open source X.org driver and also with the closed source ATI driver (Debian and ATI version).
12:14<Piet>witte: noe, it just hangs. i do get an error after interrupting the script
12:14<Piet>noe=none
12:15<witte>Piet: put "set -x" in /var/lib/dpkg/flash....postrm on the second line
12:16<witte>Piet: it seems there is no such file on my sid system ?
12:16<Piet>nor on mine
12:17<witte>Piet: how can it hang on that file if it is not there?
12:17<Piet>witte: but there' sno files for any other package in /var/lib/dpkg/ either
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12:17<witte>Piet: oops, in the info subdirectory
12:17<Piet>witte: i didn't come up with this file name, you did
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12:18<Piet>flashplugin-nonfree.prerm then, because there is not flashplugin-nonfree.postrm
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12:18<witte>Piet: prerm is pre-removal
12:19<witte>Piet: postrm is for post-removal
12:19<witte>Piet: what was the exact error you got
12:19<witte>Piet: upload it to a pastebin
12:19<Piet>witte: yes, and i'm trying to remove, so dpkg must be invoking a removal script, and the only post* script ther eis is prerm
12:20<Piet>ok, it hangs while running: update-flashplugin-nonfree --uninstall
12:21<Piet>dpkg: error processing flashplugin-nonfree (--purge): subprocess pre-removal script killed by signal (Interrupt)
12:21<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
12:21<Piet>so it's prerm, right
12:21<witte>Piet: right
12:21<witte>Piet: but you told post-removal before ;-)
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12:22<Piet>sorry, i was in error then
12:24<witte>Piet: there is only one important line in that prerm file, and that is 'update-flashplugin-nonfree --uninstall'
12:24<Piet>witte: http://pastebin.ca/1047891
12:24<witte>Piet: can you run that command by hand
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12:24<Piet>witte: see the pastebin
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12:25<witte>Piet: running the command manual seemed to work or not?
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12:26<Piet>it hangs, too
12:26<witte>ah, ok
12:26<Piet>while executing flashplugin-nonfree-get-lastminute
12:26<witte>strange that when you are uninstalling, it still seems to get the lastminute file?
12:26<Piet>which is bash script in /tmp/flashplugin-nonfree.SLcBC28913
12:27<Piet>indeed
12:27<Piet>wget -q -P . http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree-lastminute.gz.asc
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12:27<Piet>that's the real command where it hangs
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12:27<Piet>i can't seem to download a thing from that url
12:27<Piet>is people.debian.org down?
12:28<weasel>yes.
12:28<witte>ah, ok, so that is the problem
12:28<Piet>hehe
12:28<witte>Piet: just wait until that server is back online and your problems are solved :-)
12:28<Piet>ok, thanks for your help
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12:29<Piet>yes, or just ln /bin/true somewhere
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12:29<witte>yeah, depends on how urgent it is
12:30<Piet>is there an ETA ofr people.d.o?
12:30<weasel>Piet: does a debian package require ppl.d.o to work?
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12:30<Piet>weasel: flashplugin-nonfree does
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12:30<weasel>I'd almost argue that's a bug
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12:31<witte>it is also strange that you need the latest version to remove it?
12:31<Piet>well it wont be in lenny anyway
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12:31<witte>but still a lot of people use it
12:32<Piet>it's strange that it needs to access a remote location to remove the package in general
12:32<Guest637>anyone from italy?
12:32<witte>!it
12:32<dpkg>well, #debian-it is Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:43<first-lafs>hello debian people.
12:44<first-lafs>what's up?
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12:46<Piet>since there may be no ETA for ppl.d.o, how long has it been down already?
12:46<second-lafs>all ok?
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12:49<xid>Piet, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=485980
12:49<Piet>xid: your point?
12:50<xid>is the same issue as to you ?
12:51<valdyn>firefox 3 and browsers using its engine wont work with old flash plugin afaik
12:51<xid>I'm wrong maybe
12:51<valdyn>maybe thats the cause
12:51<valdyn>your problem, using sid, if you are
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12:54<Piet>xid: no, it doesn't look related.
12:54<Piet>xid: thanks anyways
12:54<xid>thx,
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13:04<Piet>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=486228
13:04<Piet>not sure why i missed this one earlier
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13:14<Reggae>is this debian channel?
13:14<Reggae>i hope im not wrong this time
13:14<Reggae>as i need serious help?
13:14<Reggae>hello?
13:15<egius5>hello
13:15<Reggae>hi
13:15<Reggae>can i get help from u?
13:15<egius5>maybe
13:15<Reggae>orite
13:15<Reggae>here goes
13:15<Reggae>i own an ibook g3
13:16<Reggae>quite obsollete
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13:16<Reggae>g3 dual usb running on 600mhz
13:16<Reggae>i want to install debian
13:16<egius5>debian ppc exists
13:17<Reggae>but im just n00b i tried to install and get to yaboot but end up i cant boot from the cd
13:17<Reggae>yea it exist
13:17<Reggae>on ppc
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13:17<avu>Reggae, search the web, quite a lot of people installed debian on this machine and wrote about it
13:17<Reggae>yes
13:17<Reggae>i understand
13:18<Reggae>the problem is the web showing part of the installation
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13:18<Reggae>as im a new user to mac
13:18<Reggae>debian too
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13:18<avu>usually, what you have to do to boot from CD with a newworld mac is press 'c' at the right time during startup
13:18<Reggae>all the wile im a windows user, the installation totally freaked me out
13:18<Reggae>its been 3 weeks i havent got it done
13:19<Reggae>yes
13:19<Reggae>i did it but nothing happen
13:19<david_>im having permission problems with a hard drive can some one please help
13:19<Reggae>it just went straight to the mac boot
13:19<Reggae>where the apple appears n loads
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13:19<Reggae>heres what i did avu and egius5
13:20<avu>Reggae, with older macs, the key combo to be pressed might be different, again, search the web for something like 'ibook g3 cd boot'
13:20<Reggae>1st. i used panther cd to make 2 partition for mac OS and debian (HFS+ for mac) and HFS for debian
13:20<Reggae>and so i installed MAC successfully on the 1st partition
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13:21<Reggae>after the installation
13:21<egius5>my experience with mac is 0
13:21<Reggae>i cant go to single mode, verbose, boot from cd almost all the short cut keys not working
13:21<Reggae>except the open firmware (command+option+o+f)
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13:22<Reggae>i tried all boot from cd keys n not working
13:22<Reggae>(option + command + shift + delete) and the (c) key too
13:23<Reggae>2nd : i downloaded (yaboot + yaboot.conf + vmlinux + initrd.gz)
13:23<Reggae>put it in the 2nd partition (the debian drive)
13:23<Reggae>booted yaboot
13:23<Reggae>but when i key in (boot : cd)
13:23<Reggae>it gave me invalid ELF image
13:23<Reggae>im so sick rite now
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13:24<david_>lol
13:24<david_>damn
13:24<Reggae>its so damn complicated
13:24<Reggae>than i expected
13:24<Reggae>it feels like i wanna chuck that ibook away
13:25<Reggae>anyone can help now?
13:25<Reggae>im stuck at invalid ELF image
13:25<Reggae>and what is ELF?
13:25<Reggae>elf?
13:25<Reggae>goddamn (sorry)
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13:25<egius5>elf = binary format
13:26<egius5>as exe in win
13:26<Reggae>ok
13:26<Reggae>so elf = exe (windows)
13:26<Reggae>thats new
13:26<Reggae>now im feeling n00ber
13:26<Reggae>yeap
13:26<Reggae>n so im stuck in ELF
13:27<Reggae>i feel like crap now
13:27<Reggae>anyone can pass me some weed?
13:27<Reggae>day n nite to get it done end up
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13:27<Reggae>disaster
13:27<@Ganneff>!enter
13:27<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
13:28<Reggae>enter?
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13:28<Reggae>wut enter?
13:28<Reggae>i dun get it bro?
13:28<avu>read what dpkg wrote
13:28<lostone>d
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13:29<Reggae>yeap
13:29<Reggae>but i dun get it?
13:29<Reggae>u mean i dun press enter?
13:29<Reggae>in yaboot?
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13:30<Reggae>btw can anyone tell me whats the debians developer or consultant nickname here?
13:30<kerz>david_, what is it?
13:30<Reggae>i think its better to consult them
13:30<avu>Reggae, maybe you should look for help in your own language?
13:30<avu>!my
13:30<dpkg>Look, it's not "my Windows", "my Debian", "my ncurses", or "my <whatever else>"; It's Windows, Debian, ncurses, and <whatever else>. The only time this doesn't apply is when you are maintaining your own source tree of whatever you're talking about, which you almost certainly aren't.
13:30<avu>hm :)
13:30<Reggae>lol
13:30<Reggae>im not good in stuffs
13:30<Reggae>thats all
13:31<Reggae>thats y its kinda hard for me to understand
13:31<Reggae>perhaps alil simpler xplanation i guess?
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13:32<kerz>elf = .so rite?
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13:32<Reggae>elf = exe
13:32<Reggae>i guess
13:32<Reggae>dude
13:32<Reggae>i need an ABC
13:32<Reggae>center here
13:33<Reggae>im so dumb
13:33<kerz>yeah .so are elf files rite?
13:33<Reggae>that i couldnt noe whats this n that
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13:33<Reggae>jizz
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13:33<@Ganneff>now. stop pressing enter every second word
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13:33<@Ganneff>and write real sentences, in real english.
13:33<@Ganneff>this is irc and not a contest of how too look dumbest
13:33<lostone>ok. /boot/grub/* no longer exists on my system. it's just gone. i still get prompted for my password but i cant seem to access the actuall grub files. any ideas?
13:33<lostone>wait... nm
13:34<kerz>?
13:34<kerz>install lilo
13:34<kerz>?
13:34<Reggae>ok, you got that sir
13:34<fxiny>ahhhh turks78 spammers again ?
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13:34<Reggae>so could you explain how do i use it?
13:35<Reggae>im really sorry
13:35<lostone>edit* i got an err during boot that fsck failed. that was the problem. the system still boots but i cant see any of my files. says something about a bad block.
13:35<lostone>dont have the exact error msg
13:35<lostone>fresh install. dunno what happened
13:35<carlisle>Ok, I don't think I have the right servers for /etc/apt/sources.list . It's showing very few packages and I have problems installing flashplugin e.g. These are the servers I have -> http://http.us.debian.org/debian , http://security.debian.org stable/updates , http://www.debian-multimedia.org . Are there any others I am missing? Or is there another problem? When I open aptitude it doesn't seem to have flashplugin listed.
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13:36<lostone>flashplugin? for what firefox?
13:36<carlisle>yes
13:36<@Ganneff>make sure you havce contrib and non-free listed if you want suchstuff
13:36<carlisle>flashplugin-nonfree package
13:36<avu>carlisle, did you do 'aptitude update' after changing your sources.list?
13:36<avu>lostone, bad blocks point to a hardware problem
13:37<carlisle>yes, I did update
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13:37<carlisle>Are the servers ok then?
13:37<avu>carlisle, then what Ganneff said? :)
13:37<avu>Reggae, don't message me
13:38<Reggae>ok
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13:38<Reggae>if i do not press enter
13:38<Reggae>what should i do?
13:38<carlisle>When I go to New ackages, web, it has contrib and nonfree there
13:38<carlisle>but there is barely anything in there
13:38<avu>carlisle, show us your complete sources.list
13:38<avu>carlisle, (and remember to use a pastebin)
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13:39<carlisle>What's a pastebin?
13:39<Piet>flashplugin-nonfree is not currently installable anyway
13:39<Reggae>can anyone teach me how to use IRC then
13:39<carlisle>Piet, how do you run flash in firefox then. I need Youtube LOL
13:39<avu>dpkg, tell carlisle about paste
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13:39<tiago>hey
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13:39<tiago>can X crash without displaying an error message on the logs?
13:40<carlisle>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
13:40<carlisle> deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free
13:40<Reggae>i just want to know how to get the cd right to boot from it in yaboot (step by step)?
13:40<avu>carlisle, dude, I told you, use a pastebin :)
13:40<kerz>carlisle, pastebin is a website that holds text files that u can paste text in them? :)
13:40<carlisle>These are the two server lines.
13:40<fxiny>security contrib non-free ?
13:40<avu>carlisle, dpkg just told you about it
13:41<carlisle>avu is a little bossy. It's just two lines
13:41<carlisle>Calm down, dude
13:41<avu>carlisle, well, after you told us about more than 2 servers, I was assuming your sources.list was more than 2 lines long :)
13:41<tiago>can X crash without displaying an error message on the logs?
13:41<avu>tiago, in theory, sure.
13:42<tiago>well, my X just crashed while doing something quite ordinary
13:42<carlisle>Those are the only two lines I changed from the original.
13:42<avu>tiago, see if you can reproduce it
13:42<tiago>I looked on /var/log/Xorg.0
13:42<tiago>and nothing
13:42<tiago>avu, I was opening a folder
13:42<avu>carlisle, the original does not contain debian-mutlimedia
13:42<tiago>I've tried opening it again and nothing
13:42<tiago>it didn't crash
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13:43<fxiny>X crashed cause it hates folders :P
13:43<Reggae>DPKG, AVU AND GANEFF, im sorry, now i get the enter part, as i thought this chat room has some speciality, now im ready to make it all in one passage, im waiting here for you all to help me after tiago and carlise turn ok? just tell me when you guys are free, i do not want to nother you guys much, really sorry and much aplogy for it..
13:43<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, Reggae
13:44<Reggae>dpkg, now im on the track, should i continue? do not worry i totally get you now.
13:44<dpkg>You are moron #22, Reggae
13:44<kerz>dpkg is a bot rite?
13:44<avu>Reggae, I already told everything I can tell you from my limited understanding of your problem description
13:44<dpkg>kerz: are you smoking crack?
13:44<avu>Reggae, dpkg is not a human
13:45<avu>kerz, right.
13:45<fxiny>dpkg rulez
13:45<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
13:45<tiago>dpkg is really not human?
13:45<dpkg>tiago: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
13:45<Reggae>what?
13:45<tiago>ok, I got my answer
13:46<kerz>have u ever seen someone type that fast?
13:46<Reggae>now im lost again?
13:46<tiago>we would have passed the turing test without that last line xD
13:46<tiago>*he would
13:46<avu>Reggae, really, look if there is some forum where you can get help in your native language
13:46<avu>Reggae, it might make things a lot easier :)
13:47<Reggae>could you provide me some examples?
13:48<avu>Reggae, I am not malaysian..
13:48<avu>Reggae, so, no, I can't
13:48<Reggae>ok
13:48<tiago>dpkg what's the meaning of life?
13:48<dpkg>tiago: are you smoking crack?
13:48<tiago>are you, dpkg?
13:48<Reggae>im kinda upset borning as in me
13:49<Reggae>thanks kerz
13:49<tiago>avu, where does the X send it's error messages?
13:49<avu>tiago, Xorg.0.log
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13:50<tiago>my lattest crash is not there xD
13:50<tiago>could an X crash be kernel related?
13:50<avu>tiago, but depending on how/why an application crashes, it might just be, well, crashed :)
13:50<client>what do i need to do to get a second monitor working in debina?
13:50<avu>tiago, and a crashed application can not write any logfiles
13:50<tiago>but an app can't crash the X
13:51<tiago>or can it?
13:51<kerz>y not?
13:51<tiago>don't know kerz xD
13:51<avu>tiago, not if there is no bug in X, right.
13:51<tiago>lol
13:51<client>can i just edit my xorg.conf?
13:52<avu>tiago, so an application crashing X is a bug in X. (or in your video driver or kernel ..) but not in the application
13:52<kerz>all u need is to kill the process rite?
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13:52<avu>kerz, it's right, not rite.
13:52<avu>client, depending on your debian version, you might not even have to do that
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13:52<avu>client, on sid (and probably lenny, too), you can just activate the new monitor using xrandr
13:53<client>avu, i have etch, i don't see a second screen in the desktop options
13:53<tiago>ok avu
13:53<tiago>thanks ;)
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13:53<kerz>i think its pronounced the same rite :P
13:53<avu>kerz, well, but rite means something else.
13:53<avu>kerz, regardless of it being pronounced the same way.
13:54<avu>client, yeah, on etch you will have to edit your xorg.conf to make it work
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13:55<kerz>? what does rite mean then?
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13:56<client>avu, can i just duplicate all the info about screen 1?
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13:56<avu>kerz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rite
13:57<avu>client, if the displays are the same, yes, just give it another identifier. you also have to add something to your, erm, ServerLayout IIRC
13:57<client>htanks avu
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13:58<engkeboy155>just installed debian using lvm because i have 4hdds wd 1tb capacity each.. but when i go to my filesystem and properties it.. it only shows 800+gb free space.. meaning only 1hdd is being used..
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14:00<engkeboy155>only the sda5 is active.. how can i active the other pv's? or when i consume the first hdd it will automatically activate the other hdd?
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14:01<valdyn>engkeboy155: try running "vgs"
14:02<engkeboy155>tried running vgs and it shows my volume group.. named "mytube"
14:02<engkeboy155>it shows that the number of my pvs is 4
14:02<valdyn>engkeboy155: and the pvs and the free space
14:02<Reggae>is debian developed in GERMANY?
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14:03<valdyn>Reggae: no
14:03<valdyn>Reggae: its not developed at any specific place
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14:03<engkeboy155>the vsize of it is 3.64tb and the vfree is 2.73
14:04<valdyn>engkeboy155: and which part of that are you not understanding?
14:04<engkeboy155>and in pvs.. sda5 pfree is 0
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14:04<engkeboy155>but the other pvs like sdb5,sdc5,sdd5 has pfree 931.51g
14:04<engkeboy155>meaning.. they are not in use..
14:05<engkeboy155>does it mean because i havent used all the freespace in the first pv?
14:05<valdyn>engkeboy155: your logical volumes are residing on specific physical volumes
14:05<engkeboy155> engkeboy155: your logical volumes are residing on specific physical volumes --meaning?
14:05<valdyn>engkeboy155: obviously you have plenty space not allocated by any logical volume
14:06<valdyn>engkeboy155: means that your lv are using sda5 completely but not the other pv
14:06<valdyn>engkeboy155: and let us know why the hell you are merging several physical partitions to one vg
14:06<valdyn>engkeboy155: because thats stupid
14:06<valdyn>engkeboy155: and dangerous
14:07<engkeboy155>ahhh.. so i have to split it?
14:07<valdyn>engkeboy155: you need to understand what you are doing.
14:07<valdyn>engkeboy155: lv is versatile and very easy to abuse for seriously stupid layouts, like you just showed
14:07<engkeboy155>please educate me.. sorry.. i really dont know..
14:08<engkeboy155>so i should make 1vg for each pv?
14:08<valdyn>engkeboy155: no
14:08<engkeboy155>so what should i do?
14:08<valdyn>engkeboy155: i dont know a website that teaches the very basics about data storage that you are missing
14:09<engkeboy155>the purpose of my debianbox is for webserver..
14:09<valdyn>engkeboy155: but what you are doing is making an error prone medium ( a harddisk ) failing more dangerous than it is normally
14:09<valdyn>engkeboy155: because in normal partitioning if one disk breaks then that disks data is lost
14:10<engkeboy155>yah.. im aware of that.
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14:10<adii>hello
14:10<valdyn>engkeboy155: and in your case if one disk breaks your whole volume groups data will be damaged in unknown ways
14:10<adii>i'm looking for a nice font to use on gnome console :p any ideas ?
14:10<engkeboy155>im also aware of that.. i've read the "raid" software..
14:10<engkeboy155>i think its more wise right?
14:11<valdyn>engkeboy155: you need to limit a volume group to block devices in ways that you dont stack up error chances
14:11<valdyn>engkeboy155: so 1 disk per vg or 1 more secure block device per vg
14:11<valdyn>engkeboy155: or several very secure block devices in a vg
14:11<valdyn>engkeboy155: "very secure block device" can be a raid1 for instance
14:12<engkeboy155>yah.. the raid1..
14:12<engkeboy155>but i don't know how to use raid.. that's why i came back to lvm..
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14:13<valdyn>engkeboy155: that doesnt make sense, raid useful to increase data security, lvm is just a partitioning system on steroids
14:13<engkeboy155>i have a webserver running fedora who used lvm2.. and when my primary hdd breaks.. all my data lost..
14:13<engkeboy155>about 2tb of media files..
14:13<valdyn>engkeboy155: no
14:13<valdyn>engkeboy155: only the data of filesystems touching that disk should be lost
14:14<engkeboy155>ahh..
14:15<engkeboy155>how can i install using the debian-installer using raid?
14:15<engkeboy155>because i think i should re-install
14:15<valdyn>!ig
14:15<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing!
14:16<engkeboy155>what should i select in the paritioning? manual?
14:16<engkeboy155>or the guided one?
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14:18<adii>anybody knows a nice font to use with gnome's console ?
14:19<engkeboy155>should i go for the guided?
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14:19<valdyn>!rtfm
14:19<dpkg>well, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.]
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14:34<lostone>avu: is there any way to repair a problem concerning a bab block?
14:35<lostone>would you need to know the exact error message to answer that correctly?
14:35<Tracy-P>installed inspircd today and it's having problems, first libxml2-utils is a dependancy that needs to be added to he package. 2nd I can't get it to start and the config looks right
14:35<avu>lostone, bad blocks can not be repaired. fsck(8) can use badblocks(8) to mark the bad blocks
14:35<avu>lostone, so they won't be used again
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14:36<avu>lostone, (the -c option of e2fsck(8))
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14:42<rowdy>hi all
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15:11<adii>flashplugin-free is getting me mad. I've tried installing it, it got stuck at "setting up flashplugin ..." , so something like an hour after, I killed it (ctrl+c) . now I got stuck when i try either to install it or remove it with apt-get
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15:12<lostone>well, it's a fast install. shouldn't take anywhere near an hour.
15:12<lostone>what have you tried so far?
15:12<lostone>and how are you installing it?
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15:12<adii>i'm trying to get back to a clean config. apt-get remove, apt-get purge, dpkg remove, dpkg purge on the plugin. Nothing works really
15:13<adii>reinstalling it : apt-get install once again (but it doesn't work, since another one is already installed)
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15:26<lostone>mase what's up buddy
15:26<lostone>wait. i don't know you.
15:26<lostone>my bad
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16:00<Tarcas>!ask
16:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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16:06<kerz>that shud be in the topic :(
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16:21<panagos>hey people, i installed phppgadmin, but when i go to http://localhost/phppgadmin/, the server answers by sending the php source file!
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16:51<Reggae>avu
16:52<Reggae>btw, i got help from someone, thanks alot for support, if i need help ill come over again.
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17:00<alephnull>iceweasel (Gran Paradiso) now has an annoying habit of moving to the workspace where a URL was clicked on. I'd like it to stay on its workspace.
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17:14<Reggae>ok, now i want to install debian using network installer, can anyone tell me, meantime im downloading the ubuntu, as i found out debian had some invalid ELF image to read on ibook?
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17:16<Reggae>ok, now i want to install debian using network installer, can anyone tell me, meantime im downloading the ubuntu, as i found out debian had some invalid ELF image to read on ibook?
17:16<Reggae>anyone can answer it?
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17:17<vertigo>I've got a quick question: how do I set up the headers in /usr/src so that sources including items from them can access them?
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17:18<vertigo>there's a thing here that includes something under <linux/...>
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17:19<chealer>Reggae: what's your native language?
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17:19<Reggae>malay
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17:19<_ZeuZ_>Reggae, google it dude ^_^ it's pretty much the same
17:19<Reggae>n english
17:20<vertigo>I've already got the linux-headers package for my kernel. but the source I'm compiling is looking for zlib.h, which is in the headers, but can't access it
17:20<Nemoder>vertigo: ls -l /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
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17:21<WAtt>Hi, I'm searching an help for a fresh lenny install on my laptop. My wifi card doesn't work ... ca you help me (sorry for my english...)
17:21<Reggae>yeah, i tried googling, and follows the steps, burn the ISO, im sure i burnt it right, and i successfully booted to yaboot, tried cd booting, end up it gaves me invalid ELF image, im always stuck there, and im sure the cd had no scratch and its clean
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17:22<Nemoder>Reggae: what is the name of the ISO you used
17:22<avu>Reggae, are you sure you got an image for ppc and not, say i386? :)
17:23<vertigo>what's that going to do in terms of me being able to read the headers, well, gcc anyway
17:23<WAtt>I'm use a Madwifi drivers for atheros card and I have an errors on my messages log ...
17:23<Nemoder>vertigo: most packages that search for headers or kernel sources look at that link first
17:24<vertigo>hanks. so I need to make a link to /usr/linux, where my headers are stored?
17:24<Nemoder>vertigo: yes
17:24<vertigo>thanks. brb. forgot to open a screen terminal
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17:26<Reggae>yes, i am sure i got an ISO for powerpc, hold on i get the name for ya, (debian_powerpc.iso), i burnt it under ISO9660 (level 1) for your info..
17:27<vertigo>when I do ln /usr/src/linux build, it says hard link not aloud for directory
17:27<Nemoder>vertigo: ln -s
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17:27<vertigo>thanks...
17:28<WAtt>any people use network-manager ?
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17:28<Reggae>sory its not debian_powerpc.iso its Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r3 "etch" version
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17:30<Aleric>Does anyone know how large a level 0 cache of a cpu is? I have a QX6700
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17:32<Reggae>can anyone gave me a debian powerpc (CD) version that is working and that you are using it? i need a stable one, it says from debian web but suspiciously it has problem....
17:33<Reggae>the link is the thing i need (sorry. edit)
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17:39<tyler>sorry for all the questions. even after I link to /usr/src from the build dir, it's still not finding the file
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17:40<tyler>is there another link I need to make somewhere?
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17:44<tyler>basically waht's giong on, is I'm trying to compile a program with make, and it's not able to find zlib.h which is in the linux headers. I'm trying to get the path fixed so that this, and future compilations are able to see the linux headers, and compile with them, if they #include something from there
17:44<weasel>zlib.h is in zlib1g-dev
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17:45<tyler><locate zlib.h> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-vserver-686/include/linux/zlib.h
17:45<weasel>that's not the zlib.h you want.
17:46<weasel>install zlib1g-dev and it will work.
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17:47<cesurasean>maybe someone can help me
17:47<cesurasean>just installed debian on my laptop, and the screen is not taking up the whole monitor
17:47<cesurasean>it's really small
17:47<cesurasean>any way to fix this/
17:47<cesurasean>possibly a driver issue?
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17:48<tyler>weasel: and so it did. danky
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18:03<kerz>cesurasean, hmm did u update?
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18:03<cesurasean>updating the system fucks up
18:04<cesurasean>tryin to reinstall now
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18:04<cesurasean>and see what happens
18:04<kerz>or do u mean that the screen is actually small? and not that the resolution is too low?
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18:04<cesurasean>there is a black border around the screen
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18:04<cesurasean>as if it can't find a good driver
18:04<cesurasean>like it's going to fail safe resolution
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18:04<cesurasean>but it does 1024 x 768
18:05<cesurasean>its an older laptop...
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18:06<sas67>hi all
18:06<sas67>im having some probs with pure-ftp
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18:13<sas67>today im getting 530 errors when loggin in
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18:27<Tuplad>how come that when I attach my external hdd I get an error "you dont have enough rights to mount"
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18:34<mase>should i better run laptop-mode or powersaved? i heared they disagree a bit, at least at disk spindown
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19:10<bloodrock>hello
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19:19<acu>I have a message which does not allow me to update my lenny amd64
19:19<acu>here is the message
19:19<acu>E: /var/cache/apt/archives/netatalk_2.0.3-10_amd64.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
19:20<acu>what should I do ?
19:20<mase>acu tell us more about the log; why does it return "1"?
19:21<acu>where should I look for the log ?
19:21<acu>what is anoying is that I do not need netatalk at all - I have no macs on the network
19:21<mase>acu, well, normaly its a few lines above the line you told us...
19:22<mase>acu you cen first try to remove netatalk..., but may be a package in the updated version depends on it
19:23<acu>mase - OK let me go to command prompt - and do a apt-get update (I used synaptic package manager)
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19:25<mase>acu (and an apt-get upgrade)
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19:26<acu>mase: I got this: hostname: Uknown host
19:26<mase>acu ? where? by apt?
19:26<acu>invoke-rc.d: initscript netatalk, action "stop" failed
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19:27<newneo>aptitude upgrade
19:27<newneo>or update
19:27<mase>acu try just killing it; "killall netatalk" or "killall netatalkd"
19:27<mase>newneo OR? first update, then upgrade...
19:28<acu>apt: update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/netatalk missing LSB style header
19:28<acu>hostname: Unknown host
19:28<mase>acu what does "hostname" tell?
19:29<acu>if I do a hostname on prompt i get the name of the computer
19:30<mase>acu i don't know whats wrong on your computer; just remove netatalk first...
19:31<acu>apt-get remove purge (how is it?)
19:31<mase>acu remove should be ok
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19:33<acu>does not work - is some forcefull way to do that ?
19:34<mase>acu whats the problem? apt-get remove netatalk
19:34<acu>dpkg: error processing netatalk (--remove):
19:34<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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19:35<mase>acu or use synaptig to remove; it will tell you what packages depend on that
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19:44<mase>is there a way to change the minimum cpu frequency for cpufreq scaling?
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20:11<acu>I cannot remove netatalk and nothing can be upgraded
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20:20<benjamindees>acu, are you getting an error message that you can post to pastebin?
20:21<acu>benjamindees: thanks, I found on the web some recomendations - I will follow and see what happen - if it does not work I wil ask your help
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22:17<client>whats the name of the file where you write in all the drives you want to mount?
22:20<gass>client, /etc/fstab
22:20<client>thanks grass...
22:20<client>gass
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22:21<client>just found it on google... i never know how long to look on google before coming in here and asking for help on things like this
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22:23<_ZeuZ_>guys, while trying to mount afat32 partition (micro sd card) I found it attached to /dev/sg2 but when I do mount -t fat32 it drops me fat32 filesystem not found... how can I invoke fat32 filesystem?
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22:24<client>can i specify "ntfsmount" in fstab?
22:25<_ZeuZ_>client, well you should specify for example ntfs-3g as the filesystem to mount an NTFS partition in fstab... though, it's my preference to use that module... you can use normal ntfs
22:25<gass>client, search for fstab ntfs
22:25<gass>in google
22:26<gass>_ZeuZ_, try not to specify any filesystem ... it does not detect any?
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22:28<_ZeuZ_>gass, nop
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22:37<rmayorga>_ZeuZ_: how about vfat?
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22:38<_ZeuZ_>rmayorga, it didn't went ok...
22:38<_ZeuZ_>It's weird
22:38<_ZeuZ_>In the dmesg output I see the devices attached to /dev/sg2 and /dev/sg3
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22:38<_ZeuZ_>though, when I use the file tool, it cannot see them (when I execute file /dev/sg2 as root) and when I go for it with a normal user, I see the following:
22:39<_ZeuZ_>/dev/sg2: writable, no read permission
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22:39<_ZeuZ_>rmayorga, any idea?
22:40<rmayorga>_ZeuZ_: not much really
22:40<_ZeuZ_>may I show you the output of dmesg just in case? The werd thing is that it takes it as if it was a scsi disk, when it's attached through USB...
22:40<_ZeuZ_>tried with moto4lin but didn't work either
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22:45<ootput>hello, are any of you familiar with tftp-hpa + dnsmasq for pxe-booting? I'm trying to set up a server on my etch box (from d-a.org article), and I'd like to confirm that the services are actually running. How do i view ports?
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---Logclosed Sun Jun 15 00:00:32 2008