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00:00<newbie>sound had problem
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00:14<engkeboy>cant grow my mdadm
00:15<engkeboy>it says "mdadm: can only add devices to linear arrays"
00:15<engkeboy>what was that mean?
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00:15<engkeboy>i tried executing mdadm -G /dev/md0 max
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00:21<engkeboy>i guess this is the wrong place to ask
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01:12<adolfo>i can't get any sound from my laptop can someone help me plz
01:13<adolfo>i have already looked at some forms already and that didn't help
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01:15<Stack>hi all
01:16<Stack>I delete modprobe.conf, how can I generate it again? Please help.
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01:19<jm_>you don't need modprobe.conf anymore
01:20<Stack>but, no sound after delete
01:21<jm_>run alsaconf
01:21<jm_>unmute all channels, set volume, run alsactl store
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01:24<Stack>jm_: thx. But after alsaconf, no sound again, and I cant run alsamixer:alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument
01:25<jm_>Stack: check if it loaded any sound modules for you
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01:26<chandu>When I boot my workstation I am getting following error
01:26<chandu>922-Fatal error on Northbridge
01:26<chandu>B2 err: Multi-tag hit
01:27<chandu>What should be the problem
01:27<chandu>This error occurs in one version of BIOS , it wont occur in previous versions of BIOS
01:27<jm_>who prints that error?
01:28<chandu>Its just displaying on the screen before booting ..that is when I start the system
01:29<jm_>you need to ask your system vendor/motherboard manufacturer for help
01:30<jm_>this isn't the right place
01:30<chandu>jm_, ok thank you
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01:38<bighornram>is "dselect" removed from sid?
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01:39<nevyn>hrm it's still on my machine.
01:39<bighornram>nevyn: I get "bash: dselect: command not found
01:40<jm_>it isn't removed no
01:41<bighornram>hmm doing apt-get -u dist-upgrade now maybe that will affect it
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01:47<bighornram>after update/upgrade/-u dist-upgrade I still get command not found when I enter "dselect"??
01:47<nevyn>how about apt-get install dselect ?
01:47<bighornram>ummm amd64
01:47<bighornram>will try
01:48<jm_>yeah debian should read user's mind and auto-install stuff, much like auto-apt but more advanced
01:49<bighornram>hmm that IS wierd, installed dselect (good idea)
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02:00<Hideo>How do I make it so iceweasel version 3 stops spinning the disk and write to ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/places.sqlite every time I visit a damn website?
02:00<Hideo>I'm on a laptop and I can not afford to have the disk spun up on every website visit
02:01<jm_>don't run iceweasel? use laptop-mode?
02:01<Hideo>jm_: I'm using laptop-mode
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02:02<Hideo>but the previous version of iceweasel didn't have this problem, this is more of a regression to me than a progress
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02:03<jm_>Hideo: then you need to increase dirty_ratio or somesuch
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02:03<Hideo>jm_: the dirty ratio is whatever laptop-mode sets, what should I alter that to?
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02:04<Hideo>in the config of laptop-mode it says I shouldn't touch that
02:04<jm_>ohh indeed, it doesn't mean the same thing in laptop mode
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02:05<Hideo>jm_: I don't think that's the problem though, the problem is that places.sqlite file is updated on every website I visit
02:05<Hideo>the previous version didn't have that *feature*
02:05<jm_>Hideo: what value is in /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode?
02:05<jm_>yes, that's new stuff in firefox 3, makes your browsing experience more pleasant :P
02:05<Hideo>jm_: 2
02:06<Hideo>jm_: currently it's irritating the hell outa me :P
02:06<Hideo>I wish there was a simple way of disabling it
02:06<jm_>Hideo: but laptop mode docs say disk activity should only occur every 10 minutes, so it looks like something else is at fault
02:07<Hideo>hmm what units is that 2 in?
02:07<Hideo>2 minutes, 2 secs?
02:09<jm_>secs I think
02:09<jm_>is your commit interval set properly?
02:09<craigevil>its a ff3 bug
02:10<Hideo>jm_: I don't know, how do I check?
02:10<jm_>Hideo: mount
02:10<jm_>craigevil: that's not it
02:10<Hideo>commit is 360
02:11<jm_>or maybe it is - perhaps fsync causes disk spin-up even in laptop mode
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02:11<jm_>should be easy to test with a standalone app
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02:12<johny>hi every body
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02:13<johny>which is the latest stable release in debian?
02:13<Hideo>craigevil: am I blind or do I not see a way of disabling that feature in about:config?
02:13<craigevil>its the way ff3 does bookmarks
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02:15<craigevil> is in lenny, 3.0~rc2-1 is in sid probably should have been left in exp
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02:15<Hideo>aye, I'm thinking of downgrade
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02:18<Hideo>craigevil: do you know of a debian bug report so that I can monitor?
02:18*Hideo looks
02:18<craigevil>nope just got all that from a google search
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02:26<Milos_Serbia>howdy all
02:27<Milos_Serbia>i need some help, i have installed wine via repositories, and now i can`t find a shortcut in menu
02:27<Milos_Serbia>how else i can start it?
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02:27<Hideo>type update-menus ?
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02:28<Milos_Serbia>Hideo, where should it be, in applications?
02:28<jm_>well there's no point in having wine in the menus, it doesn't do anything by itself - you can use command line to get to it
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02:29<Milos_Serbia>jm_, how to
02:29<Hideo>Milos_Serbia: I meant, in a console, try type update-menus
02:29<Milos_Serbia>Hideo, i did
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02:29<Hideo>may have to log out, log back in, I don't use gnome so I'm not quite sure
02:30<Milos_Serbia>can i install win apps via wine?
02:30<Milos_Serbia>for example mirc
02:31<Hideo>you can, but why would you want mirc when you have irssi?
02:31<Milos_Serbia>cos i`m on mIRC for seven years now
02:31<Milos_Serbia>till yesterday
02:31<Milos_Serbia>and i`m used to it
02:32<Milos_Serbia>i know mirc scripting and i can configure my script in a way i want to
02:32<Hideo>go to the wine website, I'm sure there are directions for installing win apps.
02:32<Milos_Serbia>don`t have no time to learn irssi
02:34<Milos_Serbia>one more question, i have installed firefox via repositories, and there is no firefox in menus
02:34<Hideo>it's called iceweasel in debian
02:34<Milos_Serbia>but i want pure firefox
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02:35<Milos_Serbia>should i apt-get remove iceweasel?
02:35<sep>Milos_Serbia, it is identical. except for the name
02:35<Milos_Serbia>yes, it maybe is
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02:35<Milos_Serbia>but i cant install firebug in iceweasel
02:36<sep>that's probably becouse of a version difference, not becouse it's called iceweasel
02:36<Milos_Serbia>u sure?
02:37<sep>and firebug pages have link to a older version that works with firefox2
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02:40<craigevil> works just fine with iw2.0.0.14
02:40<jm_>you just have to read what the web page tells you
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02:50<tzafrir_laptop>Stack, on which distribution is it?
02:51<tzafrir_laptop>oops, me was looking back too much
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02:57<Hideo>I'm using sid, is there a way to make it so that iceweasel follows testing only?
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02:57<craigevil>pinning or just hold it
02:57<jm_>or simply put it on hold
02:58<Hideo>I can put it on hold, but if there's an upgrade in the testing branch, it won't upgrade?
02:58<craigevil>just hold it , echo package iceweasel|dpkg --set-selections
02:59<Hideo>yeah I know that, but as I was saying if there's an upgrade in testing, that package won't upgrade automatically
03:00<craigevil>at least apt-get wont, aptitude might
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03:01<Hideo>ok thanks
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03:04<jm_>aptitude has its own hold command
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03:15<Hideo>damn iceweasel 2 feels sluggish compares to version 3, but ah well at least it doesn't annoy the hell out of me.
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03:27<Hideo>thanks jm_ and craigevil for the pointers, peace
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04:19<mrnice`>hi, running into problem installing testing(beta2, daily also stable) with softraid5, crypt and lvm. first restart it finds the raid md, and than look vor lvm instead of asking for the passphrase.. any clues?
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04:24<Milos_Serbia>i have a problem again
04:25<Milos_Serbia>i have msi vr601x laptop, and debian 4 etch on it
04:25<Milos_Serbia>when i plugin my spekars in audio output port
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04:25<Milos_Serbia>nothing happens
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04:25<Milos_Serbia>it used to play soound on spekers on win
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04:26<Milos_Serbia>what should i do?
04:26<jm_>did you unmute/set volume?
04:26<ures>is there any way to report bugs if you don't have an smtp server?
04:27<jm_>first make sure your sound modules are loaded - alsaconf
04:27<Milos_Serbia>what to do?
04:27<jm_>run alsaconf
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04:29<mrnice`>Milos_Serbia, have u tried in gnome alsa mixer to unhide all sound channels and switches
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04:31<tenzind>hi .. can i use a normal debian i386 cd to install Debian on a Macbook?
04:32<mrnice`>tenzind, intel cpu?
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04:32<tenzind>mrnice`: yes
04:33<mrnice`>tenzind, my guess is give it a try
04:33<mrnice`>tenzind, do u want to keep the osx?
04:34<tenzind>mrnice`: yes .. have to keep the osx
04:34<Skrat>Yes; it will work
04:34<Skrat>If you want to keep os x
04:34<Skrat>You have to repartition; ... eugh.. It's complex
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04:35<Milos_Serbia>tnx very much
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04:35<Erick>anyone in here has used kbsd?
04:35<Milos_Serbia>i solved a prob with alsaconf
04:35<Skrat>Gnome > KDE. :(
04:35<tenzind>Skrat: will the Debian partition application in the Installer do the partition??
04:35<Milos_Serbia>now i just have to ask how to make exploring disk in one browser window
04:35<Milos_Serbia>exploring folders
04:35<Skrat>Unless you have free space on the disk, then you will have to repartition OS X.
04:35<Skrat>Back up everything
04:36<Skrat>Install OS X on one partition, then fire up the Debian installer
04:36<Skrat>(What I did. Albeit with an iBook)
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04:37<Gekz>Erick: why>
04:37<Milos_Serbia>when i open some folder, it opens it in a separate window
04:37<Erick>Gekz because i will love to know the address so i can download the packages
04:37<Milos_Serbia>how to make it use just one window
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04:37<mrnice`>Milos_Serbia, start gconf, go to nautilus, and check
04:38<jm_>Milos_Serbia: Linux doesn't have folders
04:38<Milos_Serbia>jm_ ???
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04:38<jm_>Milos_Serbia: !!!
04:38<mrnice`>Milos_Serbia, gconf. application, nautilus, preferences and activate always use browser
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05:20<SammyTheSnake>I'm trying to get uswsusp to install, but dpkg-reconfigure uswsusp keeps telling me the swapfile found in uswsusp's configuration file is not active, but I can't find the configuration file (it's not in the expected /etc/uswsusp.conf ...) how do I edit the configuration file when it's not there?! :S
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05:21<jm_>man uswsusp.conf
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05:22<SammyTheSnake>jm_: which recommends a program that only works on a -mm kernel :-(
05:23<SammyTheSnake>jm_: I guess I'll just have to let it slide until I feel like compiling my own kernel :(
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05:26<sheldonh>Sammy, you must be on etch? i don't need a custom kernel on sid
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05:29<jm_>I only used it for s2ram where you don't need config file
05:30<jm_>heh man dist-upgrade to lenny is next to impossible with aptitude right now
05:30<jm_>not to mention how I will lose gazillion packages depending on libglib1.2
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05:31<jm_>but it forced me to remove exim 3.3x :)))
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05:44<sheldonh>jm_: well _there's_ a silver lining for you :)
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05:45<sheldonh>jm_: must admit, my first experience with lenny turned me off for life. i'm a stable or unstable guy, now
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05:49<jm_>sheldonh: it was very smooth for me at home sometime in nov 2007 (I think)
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05:51<mrnice`>sheldonh, i use unstable for years, less problems than in testing, i also use unstable for servers
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05:53<sheldonh>mrnice`: i'm not up for that amount of work in production. that's why i stopped using gentoo :)
05:54<mrnice`>sheldonh, i told that my gentoo friends, they switched to debian or arch, but as i said, i got less work with unstable than with testing
05:55<mrnice`>sheldonh, do u talk about production systems with xserver or pure server?
05:55<mrnice`>sheldonh, +gnome
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05:56<sheldonh>mrnice`: headless production servers
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05:57<mrnice`>sheldonh, than i would use unstable( i think there are some security issues with kernel 2.4 (maybe even with a lot of patches)
05:57<sheldonh>mrnice`: i can imagine that unstable is less work than testing on a production server. but etch is even less work than either of them, even when i factor in the time i have to spend on backports and custom packages
05:57<sheldonh>mrnice`: um... i think you're out of touch. :) etch(stable) is 2.6-based
05:57<mrnice`>sheldonh, ah sure
05:58<mrnice`>sheldonh, so go with stable :P
05:59<sheldonh>mrnice`: since we stopped deploying gentoo boxes and started using etch, my anxiety levels have dropped considerably :)
05:59<sheldonh>mrnice`: i'd say the drop in anxiety is on par with the one i experienced when we started using nagios :_)
05:59<mrnice`>sheldonh, good for u, i have never understood the gentoo hype, its a loss of time and energy
05:59<themill>I wouldn't dream of using anything other than stable (or oldstable) on a server. If I wanted to have to continually reconfigure things every time upstream changed a configuration default of config file format, I'd go back to the bad old days of RHL.
06:00<sheldonh>mrnice`: i predict another one when we stop using my home-grown sec-watchdog and use monit instead :)
06:00<themill>mrnice`: redhat linux.
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06:00<mrnice`>themill, u are right, but i update the server boxes max 1 times a month
06:00<sheldonh>mrnice`: i think gentoo is fuelled by arrogance. i believed i could pull off what nobody else could -- a stabl, rolling distro with no EOL. lol
06:01<mrnice`>themill, and most of the changing config files are not nessecary
06:01<themill>mrnice`: so you don't keep up with security patches. Great.
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06:01<sheldonh>mrnice`: the openssl problem must have been great fun for your customers :)
06:01<mrnice`>sheldonh, no becaus i used an ssh key which was 3 years old:)
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06:02<sheldonh>mrnice`: we use keys for IPC across servers quite often. it was very unpleasant for us :)
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06:02<mrnice`>sheldonh, individualism creates security, like running many systems with differnt versions
06:02<mrnice`>sheldonh, this was unplesant for everybody
06:03<sheldonh>mrnice`: there's a counterargument, of course. diversity increases the difficulty of auditing :)
06:03<mrnice`>sheldonh, but as long as u got a firewire port, secirty is a dream
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06:03<mrnice`>padski, thx for the word
06:03<Reggae>hi, its me again, i had successfully booted into debian installer, but my problem is how do i create a partition for debian? i had created it on MAC''s disk utility. I am confuse.
06:03<sheldonh>mrnice`: it sounds like we're playing in different spaces though. i'm responsible for a _lot_ of servers, on multiple continents :)
06:04<mrnice`>sheldonh, ur counterargument has been proven by the ssl horror :)
06:04<mrnice`>sheldonh, i am not realy in buissness
06:04<Reggae>hi, its me again, i had successfully booted into debian installer, but my problem is how do i create a partition for debian? i had created it on MAC''s disk utility. I am confuse.
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06:04<sheldonh>mrnice`: nice. keeping it a hobby is a great way to keep it fun
06:04<mrnice`>sheldonh, but run 1 server, 5 clients and help 15 friends
06:05<themill>mrnice`: the "you must upgrade to the newer version to get the security update" attitude is a royal pain in the arse and has no place in a server environment. If you've never had problems with that then you're very very lucky. (And I don't think your approach of only updating once per month is a good plan security-wise)
06:05<jm_>!tell Reggae -about repeat
06:05<mrnice`>sheldonh, and these 15 firends got a lot of interresting problems u encounter :P
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06:06<mrnice`>themill, u are right, i update my home server every 3 days and read the debian security alerts, but the one server i update only once a month got an umts (LOOL) connection where u pay by ammount of traffic
06:07<gsimmons>Reggae: Partition and filesystem creation can be performed within the installer. Refer to the Installation Guide for the details.
06:07<sheldonh>mrnice`: unstable isn't very bandwidth friendly :)
06:07<mrnice`>sheldonh, yeah :)
06:08<mrnice`>sheldonh, do u use ecc ram on the servers?
06:08<Reggae>you got the proper link gsimmons? as i do not want to miss anything out, cause it takes me sweats and bloods to boot the installer.
06:09<azeem>Reggae: you did not find the installation guide yet?
06:09<padski>themill, although "you must backport" can be just as bad. security is no place for dogmatism.
06:09<sheldonh>mrnice`: i push exceptionally hard, but if a customer is hell bent on pain, i do what i'm told :(
06:09<sheldonh>padski: sounds like the same advice to me ;)
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06:09<Reggae>hi again azeem : i found, its just not so complete for me?
06:10<azeem>what is missing?
06:10<themill>padski: indeed... "you must backport" made FF unusable for a while in sarge because it was impossible to do so without segfaults. "You shall not backport" was MozCo's response and see where that got us...
06:10<padski>sheldonh, I certainly hope so :-)
06:10<mrnice`>sheldonh, i dont understand ur last sentence. i guess i wanted to say that u prefere ecc ram?
06:11<sheldonh>ha! finally. i've made an exim acl that rejects delivery to system accounts from remote hosts *beam*
06:11<sheldonh>no more spam to
06:11<sheldonh>mrnice`: i prefer ecc ram. strongly :)
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06:13<sheldonh>i'm never going without a toybox again. keeps the job fun
06:13<sheldonh>i think i've gotten 6 spam messages in my inbox in the last week :)
06:13<sheldonh>down from 25-30
06:14<jm_>there dist-upgrade completed
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06:14<Reggae>the missing part is where creating partition using the graphic installer of debian. It just suggest me to use fdisk, however i could not access to it, and i don't feel like using fdisk, not friendly for me dough.
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06:15<sheldonh>jm_: and you're still here :)
06:15<sheldonh>jm_: couldn't have been _that_ bad :)
06:16<mrnice`>sheldonh, i also like grounding and diggin the device for emp shock countermeasure :P
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06:16<jm_>sheldonh: well X server and two terminals are still running, the horror awaits me after reboot :)
06:16<sheldonh>mrnice`: for me, that's usually someone else's problem :)
06:16<sheldonh>mrnice`: i don't rack 'em myself
06:17<sheldonh>jm_: good luck, man
06:17<mrnice`>sheldonh, nice
06:17<mrnice`>sheldonh, are we talking 200+ mashines u manage?
06:18<azeem>Reggae: could be that the graphical partitioning does not work on powerpc, no idea
06:18<azeem>Reggae: that's why you should consult the installation manual
06:19<sheldonh>mrnice`: fortunately, i don't manage _any_ these days. i have root on 700+, but i'm usually not the guy who handles problems
06:19<mrnice`>sheldonh, nice work
06:19<sheldonh>yay! one of the guys on my team is keen to become a package maintainer :)
06:19<mrnice`>sheldonh, congrats
06:20<gsimmons>Reggae: You'd specifically want to examine sections 3.5 (if multi-booting), 6.3.2 and Appendix C of the Debian PPC installation guide.
06:22<sheldonh>Reggae: sorry if it seems like nobody else is helping -- i don't think many of us are ppc users
06:23<mrnice`>sheldonh, keen on details of ur admin job, do u use the netboot images of ur clients server housing company and then load your selfmade configed one or do you send them boot imges(iso) that they insert and boot with
06:23<sheldonh>mrnice`: one of my customers _is_ a hosting provider :)
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06:23<mrnice`>Reggae, i installed on ppc, no problem
06:23<azeem>mrnice`: ethc?
06:23<azeem>eh, etch*
06:24<sheldonh>mrnice`: the rest tend to be tech companies of some kind. there's a fair bit of outsourced remote management going on :)
06:24<Reggae>hey mrnice, how you did the partition then? through fdisk or from the graphic installer?
06:24<sheldonh>mrnice`: decent sysadmins are hard to find in za
06:24<mrnice`>Reggae, but u cant use skype but now its possible to wath youtube with gnash
06:24<gsimmons>Reggae: FYI, unless you downloaded/burned the experimental GTK "mini.iso" PPC image, you're not using the graphical installer.
06:24<mrnice`>sheldonh, za?
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06:25<Reggae>debian_powerpc.iso (is this graphic installer?) im using this...
06:25<mrnice`>sheldonh, i like outsourced remote management
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06:25<sheldonh>mrnice`: za == south africa
06:25<azeem>Reggae: look, you should be able to tell yourself whether it's graphical or not
06:25<azeem>Reggae: we can't look at your screen, you know
06:25<mrnice`>Reggae, just try it, and even if graphical installer is not working, the clicks are 99 % the same
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06:27<Reggae>but the problem is, i had a mac os 10.3, so i need both system, and i think its kinda not so graphical, it has blue screen with text.
06:30<sheldonh>Reggae: why do you care what the installer looks like? :)
06:30<mrnice`>Reggae, 2 suggestions: no fear , kick os 10.3 or buy a new computer,
06:30<jm_>option 3) give up on Debian
06:30<mrnice`>jm_ :)
06:31<Reggae>nice and thats totally not working for me,
06:32<mrnice`>someone uses grub2? risk worth the benefits?
06:32<sheldonh>Reggae: do you understand that the text-based installer can be used to produce a graphics-capable workstation?
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06:33<Reggae>if im using graphic installer, do i need to create apple_bootstrap. And i don't sheldonh, you see, im just so new to all this stuff, its even hard for me to understand the installer. I think i need to pay for a tutor.
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06:36<sheldonh>Reggae: sadly, i have no idea what "apple_bootstrap" is, but i'd be surprised if your choice of graphical or non-graphical installer affected whether or not you needed to create it
06:37<Reggae>so you do not actually need to create apple_bootstrap? have u successfully install debian to MAC before sheldonh?
06:37<sheldonh>Reggae: it sounds like you're pissing into the wind and getting upset that it tastes bad. just do what it takes to stick as closely as possible to the documentation you're following, and google where you're not sure how to do that
06:37<avtobiff>Reggae, are you booting the installer in normal or expert mode and how do you partition the harddrive?
06:37<avtobiff>Reggae, i have installed debian on a ppc machine. state your problem.
06:37<gsimmons>Reggae: Apple_Bootstrap (WRT yaboot) is also mentioned in the installation guide. Please refer to it.
06:38<sheldonh>Reggae: no, like i said, i've never used the ppc port of debian. only thing i've ever installed on ppc hardware was gentoo
06:38<mrnice`>Reggae, u can change between booting osx and debian by pressing the magic apple button + b if i remember right
06:38<sheldonh>Reggae: and never on a mac -- only ibms
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06:40<Reggae_>ok sheldonh, thanks. for avtobiff, yes, im stuck now at the installer where the blue screen is (i boot normal mode i guess, i just typed boot: install, and it bring me to a blue screen where i have to choose the language etc etc...) now im on partition disk section, but i couldnt find my 2nd partition where i created in disk utility from mac OS cd.?
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06:40<enouf>Reggae: the Fn keys are helpful - but in conjunction w/installation guide
06:41<enouf>installgui ..nothing? no ncurses installer for you
06:41<avtobiff>Reggae, ok. do you want to dual boot debian and osx?
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06:41<Reggae_>yes avtobiff.
06:41<padski>Reggae, I've run Debian on mac. seem to recall using yaboot. doesn't the Debian manual cover all this ?
06:42<azeem>padski: it's about installing, not running
06:42<avtobiff>padski, iirc yes
06:42<azeem>please, can not everybody jump on Reggae now?
06:42<petemc>i prefer dub
06:42<Reggae_>thanks azeem.
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06:43<avtobiff>Reggae, check out appendix C in installation manual:
06:43<avtobiff>Reggae, especially section C.5
06:44<Reggae_>yes i checked tha out earlier, but i just do not know how to get into partman, cfdisk, or mac-fdisk,?
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06:44<Reggae_>fdisk tutorial link is not working either
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06:45<azeem>Reggae: that's a bug in the install manual
06:45<azeem>Reggae: partman is the integrated partitioner of the installer
06:45<Reggae_>how to i get into partman azeem? i would be thankful if you tell me?
06:46<MrNaz>hi there, i've got my hands on a used ibm eserver with scsi drives and 1gb ram... i want to deploy it in a production environment, whats the best way to run diagnostics on it?
06:46<sheldonh>azeem: are you clear that his problem is that he can't see a partition that he expects to see in partman?
06:46<MrNaz>i'll be installing debian 4 on i
06:46<jm_>MrNaz: what diagnostics?
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06:46<azeem>Reggae_: you're likely already in partman if you say you cannot see a partition
06:47<MrNaz>jm_ i want to test the hdds, the ram, put a few things through the cpu to make sure that there are o bum capacitors on the mobo
06:47<mrnice`>have i mentioned that i like apt-cacher-ng and usb buissnescard install very much
06:47<jm_>MrNaz: debian-live, grml or knoppix live CD
06:47<MrNaz>is there a live cd with dedicated diagnosic tools on it?
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06:48<MrNaz>jm_ which one would you reommend?
06:48<jm_>MrNaz: grml-medium should have everything you need
06:48<Reggae_>ok, i have gone to this screen where it says (You are editing partition #5 of IDE1 master (hda). This partition is formated with HFS+
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06:49<Reggae_>the option they gave me is (done setting up the partition, copy data from another partition, erase data on this partition, delete the partition)?
06:49<sheldonh>Reggae_: i think your idea is a good one. pay a schoolkid or student to give you a hand
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06:49<azeem>Reggae_: the question is whether this is the partition you created for use with Debian
06:49<Reggae_>lol. yeah sheldonh, the best way to solve your needs.
06:50<azeem>Reggae_: have a look how big the partition is, and evaluate whether it's the right one
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06:50<Reggae_>it is 6.3gb, and yes this is the partition i created in mac disk utility for debian,
06:51<Reggae_>it just do not give me an option to format this partition and install for debian.
06:51<azeem>Reggae_: you can't use hfs+ as partition for debian
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06:51<Reggae_>I fi ca gone this step tru, ill be problem free.
06:51<azeem>Reggae_: so you need to delete this partition, and create a new one in the same place for debian
06:51<azeem>or maybe erase data will do the same
06:52<Reggae_>ok ill try...
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06:52<enouf>Reggae_: linux FS partitionID is 83 usually (82 is swap)
06:53<sheldonh>hmmm, google groups ain't all that. there seems to be no way to say you want to watch topics you comment on
06:53<enouf>Reggae_: here's a list (also available in cfdisk,)
06:53<azeem>enouf: he's in partman, that one doesn't expose partition ids to the user
06:53<azeem>so please don't confuse him
06:54<Reggae_>ok enouf, btw i this option of how to use this partition : should i choose (ext3, ext2, ReiserFS, JFS, XPS, FAT16, FAT32, swap area, newworld boot partition, LV, RAID, or do not use partition)?
06:54<sheldonh>azeem: i don't think you need to worry about that :)
06:54<azeem>Reggae_: ext3
06:54<sheldonh>ext3 for the win!
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06:55<Reggae_>azeem ill get back to u, my stomach is gworling
06:55<enouf>(i would thoroughly go over the installation guide appendix that avtobiff posted)
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07:01<tenzind>hi .. does core 2 duo mean 64 bit machine?
07:01<Gekz>In theory.
07:02<Gekz>the CPU is 64-bit.
07:02<tenzind>Gekz: so i can install amd64 kernel on macbook core 2 duo?
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07:03<Gekz>tenzind: yes
07:03<tenzind>and what about "Intel Dual Core" processor?? is it 64 bit too??
07:03<azeem>depends, I uess
07:04<azeem>hrm, though I guess most/all dual cores are 64bit
07:04<tenzind>is there an application to check?? its very confusing :)
07:04<azeem>tenzind: are you still asking about a macbook core 2 duo?
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07:05<tenzind>azeem: i also got this acer laptop with "Intel Dual Core"
07:05<azeem>where is that written?
07:05<enouf>tenzind: grep flags /proc/cpuinfo
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07:05<tenzind>azeem: written on the intel sticker that came with the laptop
07:05<azeem>tenzind: I guess you can just try to boot the amd64 netinst iso to find out
07:06<azeem>tenzind: I bet it's 64bit
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07:06<tenzind>azeem: ok ..thanks .. will check with the amd64 netinst
07:06<enouf>IINM, the early Core Duos were not 64bit, the T-1/2xxx models and such
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07:08<tenzind>enouf: what shud i look for in grep flags /proc/cpuinfo?
07:08<enouf>tenzind: lm
07:09<enouf>that command can be run from any livecd you can boot (32 or 64bit), but if you have none yet, might as well d/l the amd64 netinst and just fire it up
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07:10<enouf>tenzind: if that's a core2duo CPU, then it's 64bit, (some/most/many) CoreDuos were not
07:11<tenzind>enouf: ok ..
07:11<tenzind>mine just says "Dual Core" on the sticker .. have been running debian i386 till now ... :)
07:12<enouf>if you've been running debian, why not just show us your flags?
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07:12<tenzind>enouf: unfortunately, I dont have my acer laptop here with me :(
07:13<enouf>tenzind: well, the lm flag == long mode, you also may see lm_lahf (as well), see wikipedia, search long mode ;-)
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07:14<tenzind>enouf: think i will have to ask you guys tomorrow when i bring my laptop with me
07:14<enouf>tenzind: it's not hard to remember 2 letters is it? :-P
07:15<tenzind>hehe :)
07:15<enouf>tenzind: they even come in alphabetical order for ya :-p
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07:16<tenzind>enouf: so if the letters lm and lm_lahf exists....?
07:16<enouf>tenzind: only lm needs to exist, if so, it's 64bit, clear?
07:17<tenzind>enouf: ok .. its clear now ... thanks :)
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07:24<Reggae_>azeem : im back, after selecting ext 3 i had more options now, i got mount point, Mount option, label, reserved blocks, ypical usage, and bootable flag? what should i put each?
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07:27<azeem>Reggae_: read the installation manual
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07:27<azeem>Reggae_: this is not a powerpc specific question at all, we cannot hand-hold every user through the whole installation procedure
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07:29<Reggae_>btw, im erasing the data on hda5
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07:30<azeem>Reggae_: in general, the default options are sensible
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07:31<Reggae_>however, im just trying out every option and guessing methods to get me right.
07:32<FordCortina>if you submit a bug, but you accidentally send it with an invalid email address, will it be rejected?
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07:41<brass>toc toc hay alguien?
07:41<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
07:41<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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07:44<Reggae__>hi, i got a deboot strap error? what is that?
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07:46<enouf>Appendix C. specifically C.5 told you
07:46<Reggae__>hi, while installing debian base system, i got a deboot strap error? what is that? anyone help please?
07:46<enouf>you were supposed to make an apple_bootsrap partition
07:47<enouf>of precisely 800KB, if i read it correctly
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07:48<Reggae__>so i need to create another partition for apple_bootstrap?
07:48<enouf>that's the way i read it, a small one, yes
07:50<enouf>Reggae__: remember you said --> <Reggae_> ok enouf, btw i this option of how to use this partition : should i choose (ext3, ext2, ReiserFS, JFS, XPS, FAT16, FAT32, swap area, newworld boot partition, LV, RAID, or do not use partition)? <--see the newworld boot partition option?
07:51<Reggae__>yes, i created the partition and it is use at newworld boot partition and i named it apple_bootstrap.
07:51<Reggae__>but still no results.
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07:53<Reggae__>after creating it, i got the partition info as following ( #2 1.0MB B K boot apple_bootst) is it correct?
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07:55<enouf>looks ok to me
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07:57<enouf>Reggae__: did you read what it says about the order of partitions? if not, do so
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07:58<Reggae__>u meant from the appendix C?
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08:02<Reggae__>so i need to create the apple_bootstrap and make it appear before the MAC OS X? i was given two option in partman which is beginnning or end? is this the one they are talking about?
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08:09<Reggae__>so i need to create the apple_bootstrap and make it appear before the MAC OS X? i was given two option in partman which is beginnning or end? is this the one they are talking about
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08:11<Reggae__>hwo do i access to fdisk? there are no quides of how to enter fdisk? i type fdisk at yaboot no luck...
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08:21<Reggae__>help, i passed the bootstrap, now during base system installation i got (Warning : file:///cdrom/pool/main/o/openssl/libss10
08:21<tzafrir_laptop>Reggae__, Etch?
08:21<tzafrir_laptop>Anything more specific?
08:21<Reggae__>*libss10.9.8_0.9.8c-4etch1_powerpc.deb was corrupt.
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08:21<tzafrir_laptop>bad CD?
08:22<Reggae__>you meant i got a bad cd, or bad file, or bad burning?
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08:25<tzafrir_laptop>You can check md5sums
08:25<tzafrir_laptop>at least for the file
08:25<tzafrir_laptop>Not sure how to check md5sum for the CD
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08:29<Reggae__>i don;t know how to check either...
08:29<Reggae__>can i skip the file and move on?
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08:30<Reggae__>im bored installing and never succeed...
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08:32<sheldonh>Reggae__: tip: when you burn an iso to cd/dvd, _always_ enable verification
08:33<Reggae__>i do not have verification at my cd burner software, i use transmac, reliable
08:33<sheldonh>Reggae__: i have wasted _days_ on badly burned installation media
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08:33<etchgroup>How are you ?
08:34<Reggae__>so have u succeeded burning the cd sheldonh?
08:35<sheldonh>Reggae__: you keep forgetting that i've never installed debian on ppc. but i've certainly burned _loads_ of debian install cds. you won't know if you were successful if you don't use your burning application's "verify after write" feature
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08:36<sheldonh>Reggae__: well, i suppose you can take a checksum of the burned cd after the fact, but it's a ball ache compared with just getting into the habit of verifyingevery disc you burn
08:36<Reggae__>i do have some softwares like nero, imgburn, cdrwin, but its not compatible wif my mac...n sorry i got bad memories
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08:37<sheldonh>Reggae__: "got bad memories"?
08:38<Reggae__>oh, im talking about myself whom had bad mmr. Not the cd.
08:38<Reggae__>well, im burning the same thing again, see if it works this time.
08:39<etchgroup>I have a question
08:39<etchgroup>How I doing for send mail by using command line on debian etch please?
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08:45<sheldonh>etchgroup: the mail utility (from the mailx package) is probably the most ubiquitous method of sending mail from the command-line. e.g. echo hello world | mail -s 'Test message'
08:45<sheldonh>etchgroup: other options include /usr/lib/sendmail -t and mutt
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08:47<superjet_busy>etchgroup: setup exim.. etc first
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08:51<VampyLearningLinux>will teh debian system allow me to send mail thru a windows 2003 server running locally, using pop3
08:52<sheldonh>VampyLearningLinux: of course not. pop3 is a mail retrieval protocol
08:52<VampyLearningLinux>sorry.. wasnt thinking straight.. meant stmp
08:52<VampyLearningLinux>currently using evolution mail
08:53<sheldonh>VampyLearningLinux: do you need the wintendo box to relay through the debian box?
08:53<VampyLearningLinux>the windows 2003 serv is hosting my internal mail.
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08:53<sheldonh>VampyLearningLinux: that doesn't answer the question
08:54<VampyLearningLinux>ok, could you make that statement eaier? then maybe i can answer
08:54<VampyLearningLinux>i'm not sure i understand the question
08:54<petemc>sounds like the opposite is required to me
08:54*sheldonh gives up
08:55<VampyLearningLinux>i'm new to both os's.. debian and win serv 2003.
08:55<VampyLearningLinux>i'm tryin to learn both and figure them out.
08:55<mhash>VampyLearningLinux, do you want mail coming into your network to hit your debian box first, then get relayed to your windows 2003 where which is then delivered to your users, while your users use the debian system's smtp service directly? -- or, for the latter part of the question, have your windows smtp service act as a relay host to debian which then acts as a gateway to deliver messages to the outside world?
08:56<VampyLearningLinux>wind2003 is the inbound debian would be connectin to it to retrieve and in turn send the mail
08:56<petemc>VampyLearningLinux: no problems there
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08:57<VampyLearningLinux>now might i add so we are all clear, both os's are running in VMware but have access to the internet
08:57<petemc>shouldnt matter, as long as they have a working network between each other
08:58<VampyLearningLinux>all are runing on a VMWare bridge ethernet to my primary card on XP
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08:58<VampyLearningLinux>but yes.. they should be able to connect and communicate
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08:59<FredWP>I need some help on Debian, anyone interested in helping me out?
08:59<etchgroup>sheldonh : with mailx I can sending attached file?
08:59<sheldonh>etchgroup: ah, no. i recommend swaks :)
08:59<gsimmons>!tell FredWP -about ask
09:00<petemc>etchgroup: mutt can send attachments from the console
09:00<sheldonh>etchgroup: i mean, "yes, but it's not trivial. swaks makes it trivial"
09:00<etchgroup>ok, i don't know swaks
09:00<petemc>you can with mailx ifyou encode it first, it wouldnt be the easiest way
09:00<sheldonh>etchgroup: it's _the_ cli email kung fu
09:00<VampyLearningLinux>how difficult is settin debian up for website hosting and mail server hosting
09:00<sheldonh>etchgroup: also great for testing mail
09:01<FredWP>All right, my issue is that I go through the Debian installer just fine but when it tries to boot Debian for the first time I get nothing but a blinking underscore after my POST.
09:01<etchgroup>and with mutt it's possible?
09:01<FredWP>So far I've installed Ubuntu and Fedora before and I never had anything like this. I thought it might have been the DVD so I reburned it, the same result.
09:01<etchgroup>because I try mutt, but i don't find the smtp configuration
09:01<petemc>VampyLearningLinux: varying levels of difficulty, depending on the individual concerned
09:01<carsonc>I glanced at apt-get(1) and apt_preferences(5), but didn't see anything: is there an easy way I can tell apt "Install the associated -dev and/or -doc package(s) for all allready-installed packages"?
09:01<petemc>etchgroup: if mutt doesnt work, why would mailx ?
09:02<etchgroup>because I need to send attahced file
09:02<etchgroup>and for me mailx don't possible
09:02<FredWP>So, ... :x
09:02<petemc>they both need a working mta that offers /usr/sbin/sendmail
09:02<etchgroup>sendmail is a client or server ?
09:02<petemc>its a standard, in this context
09:03<VampyLearningLinux>sendmail used as a protocol for just that.. or in a server setting?
09:03<FredWP>Can anyone help me out now I explained my issue :x? Google has really not helped me out after several search attempts.
09:04<etchgroup>thanks for all
09:04<carsonc>FredWP: Maybe something to do with the bootloader?
09:05<FredWP>I have no idea. At the end of the Debian installer it asked me to install the boot loader and I did (I have no other operating systems installed).
09:05<FredWP>I went through the installer several times and tried different things, Google hasn't helped me out and the documentation didn't help me out much either. I followed all installation instructions during setup so I expect it go fine but it didn't.
09:06<FredWP>I have no clue where to go now.
09:06<FredWP>But after POST it just does nothing, no message, just a blinking underscore.
09:06<FredWP>Right now I'm using Ubuntu Live CD, I could use Ubuntu again, but I really want Debian.
09:07<FredWP>During install I also picked guided partitioning as well, I assume I do not need to do any work then (like setting any boot parameters to make it boot properly)?
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09:11<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>.
09:11<petemc>might want to try that
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09:12<FredWP>But I don't have a dual boot.
09:12<FredWP>And the grub loader installed itself after setup.
09:12<petemc>evidently it didnt install correctly
09:12<FredWP>It's a very clean install, no other operating systems on it, just a clean Debian install.
09:12<superjet_busy>Any suggest simple desktop clock that can show up second, adesklets is a little larger resource consumer, while xclock not works well under fvwm
09:12<carsonc>Irrelevant. Obviously, something's wrong with the loader
09:13<carsonc>superjet_busy: osdclock
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09:14<FredWP>I'll try that out carsonc, so far thanks.
09:14<superjet_busy>carsonc: have a try, thanks :)
09:15<FredWP>I meant petemc ;p
09:15<FredWP>Well both of you actually.
09:15<FredWP>I'll give it a try right away.
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09:58<client>hi, i just got "mozilla-firefox" from apt-get but it doen'st seem to be anywhere... is this somehow because of ice weasel?
09:58<azeem>client: I guess so, yes
09:59<azeem>did you try running iceweasel?
09:59<client>i've been using iceweasel, but i'm trying to run something on the web and it tells me it only works in firefox or IE
10:00<azeem>then tell them to fix it
10:00<themill>client: /msg dpkg iceweasel user-agent
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10:00<azeem>or that
10:01<themill>"If you encounter a site or plugin that works with Firefox but not Iceweasel, first smack the authors, then ..."
10:02<themill>Probably should include IE in that too.
10:03<themill>dpkg: iceweasel user-agent =~ s/with Firefox/with Firefox or MSIE/
10:03<dpkg>themill: OK
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10:22<neehoh>ho male al ginocchio
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10:22<dpkg>#debian-it is probably Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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10:23<gaye>help. im not sure what Ive stunbled across here
10:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
10:24<gaye>oops..i thought this was a chat thingy...guess not...sorry
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10:25<themill>gaye: it sort of is, but there are topics for each channel. The topic of discussion for this channel is the Debian GNU/Linux operating system. See
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10:25<gaye>ah right... way out of my league..I'll leave you to it then
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10:35<agabus>ok I just upgraded from Etch to debian testing. and i swear listening to some FLAC music right now. it sounds better. is the possible or is my brain tricking itself? and if possible, what is the reason?
10:36<HB^^>How do I (as root) give a user read/write acces to a dir ?
10:36<sheldonh>agabus: it's entirely possible. i call it "inverse
10:36<sheldonh>agabus: oops. i call it "the inverse of buyer's regret"
10:37<sheldonh>agabus: you inest yourself heavily in an outcome, and once you attain it, you're on the lookout for evidence that justifies the investment :)
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10:37<agabus>sheldonh - so it's because I'm happy about having a "new" OS installed?
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10:38<agabus>sheldonh: but I had no reason to believe the sound would improve
10:38<agabus>i have high-end headphones and i listen to a lot of music
10:38<agabus>and i swear
10:38<agabus>it sounds so much better
10:39<engkeboy>can i change the ext3 filesystem into linux raid autodetect?
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10:43<engkeboy>tried running fdisk and it says "You cannot change a partition into an extended one or vice versa
10:43<engkeboy>Delete it first."
10:43<sheldonh>agabus: i didn't say it's all in your head. i just said it's possible :)
10:44<agabus>sheldonh: yeah but i was asking if its possible from a software point of view.
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10:44<engkeboy>anyone please?
10:44<sheldonh>agabus: also possible. alsa driver could have a bugfix for your hardware, flac library could have improved... changelogs are your friend (if you have a _lot_ of time on your hands) :)
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10:46<agabus>sheldonh: wish someone could confirm it for me so I know i'm not going insane
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10:55<HB^^>How do I list users in a group ?
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10:58<sheldonh>agabus: you're unlikely to get confirmation. how many people are here right now, who recently made the exact version jumps you made, on the same hardware? :)
10:59<agabus>sheldonh: indeed. but maybe at the least to confirm its theoretically possible for sound quality to improve due to software changes.
11:00<sheldonh>HB^^: i don't think there's a single utility to do that for you. you have to inspect both /etc/passwd and /etc/group
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11:00<sheldonh>agabus: of course it is :)
11:01<agabus>sheldonh: why of course?
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11:02<sheldonh>agabus: because the audio signals that come out of your computer are a function of both hardware and software :)
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11:02<HB^^>sheldonh and I do that by?
11:02<petemc>HB^^: getent group |grep groupname
11:02<agabus>sheldonh: fair enough. I'm just having trouble understanding how an analogue audio signal can be improved by software alterations
11:03<sheldonh>HB^^: i think you'll have to script it
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11:04<maristela>aumenta o volume do audio
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11:08<sheldonh>HB^^: if the gid is 8: awk -F: '$3 == 8 {print $1}' < /etc/passwd; awk -F: '$3 == 8 {gsub(/ *, */, "\n", $4); print $4}' < /etc/group
11:09<HB^^>way above my linux skill :) but thx for trying
11:09<sheldonh>HB^^: it's an unusual request :)
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11:10<HB^^>because I (think) I added user X to group Y - and I just wanna chek
11:11<sheldonh>HB^^: much easier to do: id userX
11:12<HB^^>I quite new a linux - so i need everything explained
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11:13<sheldonh>agabus: what do you think all the audio software on your computer _does_? :)
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11:15<agabus>sheldonh: i think I'm just asking for a more explicit explanation than you are giving.
11:16<sheldonh>agabus: can't help you, since neither of us knows what's changed :)
11:17<agabus>sheldonh: thanks for your help so far anyways :)
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11:25<sheldonh>agabus: didn't realize i was helping. i thought we were idly chatting. sorry to have led you on :)
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11:28<Bladesman>Anyone know why zit in Debian Lenny keeps squirting when it's squeezed?
11:30*fxiny wraps up his wow signal power array detector
11:31<fxiny>some radio wawes are too dangerous ;)
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11:33<amphi>fxiny: did you say you were using awesome wm?
11:33<fxiny>amphi: yes i was
11:33<fxiny>amphi: you like it ?
11:33<Bladesman>Actually, I'm only trying to figure out why gnome keeps showing mounted partitions on separate drives and how to prevent it.
11:34<amphi>I'm trying it, it's quite pleasant; very reminiscent of wmii
11:34<fxiny>amphi: yes , nice layouts
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11:42<fxiny>amphi: awesome gave me trobule with iceweasel and status bar . have you checked xmonad ?
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11:46<xerophyt1>how can i see if kernel support NFSv4 .. ? lsmod didn't reveal anything?
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11:47<cahoot> grep -i nfs /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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12:03<carlo>Hi, I need some help with a strange (to me) problem I'm having with 4.0r3 on hppa
12:05<petemc>just go ahead and ask, someone may know
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12:07<carlo>I've installed 4.0r3 on hppa and tried to get the security updates with apt with no luck. Apt downloads the gpg key and then times out trying to get the Packages file
12:07<carlo>After a lot of cheking I found out that the same thing happens with ftp
12:08<petemc>other mirrors work ok?
12:08<carlo>When I ftp to and then go down in the subdirectories I found I can't download the Packages file
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12:08<carlo>no the problem is the same with the other mirrors
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12:09<carlo>Also with the ftp if I go in the debian-security/pool/updates/main and the issue the command dir it hungs
12:10<carlo>I can't get the listing. This is very strange as with another distro (fedora) the ftp works fine. There is no firewall nor a proxy
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12:12<carlo>with the ftp I tried both passive and non passive
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12:12<carlo>nothing change
12:13<xid>apt-cache policy debian-keyring |grep Ins
12:14<carlo>W: Impossible to check packages list in etch/updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_main_binary-hppa_Packages)
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12:50<jake>hey please tell me how to correct my screen resolution
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12:50<jake>i m fed up with icons as huge as a window should be
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12:52<jake>did change defaultdepth from24 to 16
12:52<jake>rebooted and its still there
12:52<jake>in xorg.cfg
12:53<jake>nothin happening cant find anything else on google
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12:53<jake>can anyone help
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12:55<cahoot>see if defineing DisplaySize helps
12:58<jake>in xorg.cfg?
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13:00<jake>cant see DisplaySize anywhere in this file
13:00<cahoot>no - man xorg.conf can help you
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13:04<jake>please have a look
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13:04<jake>i have done sudo dpkg
13:04<jake>and did nano xorg to change depth frm 24 to 16
13:04<cahoot>man xorg.conf | grep -B 32 -A 4 -i displaysize
13:05<jake>its been 3 hrs now and i m so frustrated
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13:05<cahoot>jake: running ubuntu too?
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13:08<jake>why the hell is it so complicated..?
13:09<jake>i m starting to hate debian
13:09<noflash> /ignore -replies jake
13:09<Stack>xp must die
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13:11<jake>Stack, true
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13:15<jake>can i expect help or this is too dumb to ask this?
13:15<cahoot> man xorg.conf | grep -B 32 -A 4 -i displaysize
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13:15<themill>cahoot: do you think this is a display size or a resolution problem?
13:15<fxiny> hate is a waste of energy : that's why you can't make it
13:16<cahoot>since it seems his dpi is off I thought it might be a matter of xorg misreading the displaysize - but I'm only guessing
13:17<Reggae__>hiu, i had new problems, successfully installed debian, but the problem is it refuses to access into desktop, i can only see blank??/
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13:17<amphi>fxiny: I don't see any problem with iceweasel (yet)
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13:18<jake>fxiny, yes i know but after so much effort i managed to get to irc
13:18<themill>cahoot: hmm... aren't icon sizes done as a number of pixels (i.e. 32x32) rather than as a size (12pt = 1/6" => 20px at 120dpi)
13:18<jake>i m totally new to linux
13:18<fxiny>amphi: no ? can you save pages ?
13:19<amphi>fxiny: I expect so - why not?
13:19<fxiny>jake: good , debian got nothing to do with hate . leave the f* world playing wioth it
13:19<jake>fxiny, ok
13:19<amphi>fxiny: and yes, I can
13:20<Reggae__>hi, i had new problems, successfully installed debian, but the problem is it refuses to access into desktop, i can only see blank??
13:20<fxiny>amphi: can't rememer what problem i found , i was checking many tiling wm
13:20<fxiny>amphi: you running lenny or etch ?
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13:21<fxiny>jake: btw , what desktop are you on ? gome or kde ?
13:21<jake>fxiny, gnome
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13:21<amphi>fxiny: er, wait... ;)
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13:22<amphi>fxiny: testing here
13:22<fxiny>jake: unfortunately i have the gnome formatted this morining
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13:22<jake>fxiny, can this problem be fixed?
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13:23<amphi>fxiny: no, all is well, iceweasel saves stuff fine
13:24<fxiny>amphi: good news then :)
13:24<dannys>jake: you change xorg.conf then you must restart xwindow
13:24<jake>i restarted the whole system after editing it dannys
13:24<amphi>fxiny: not really - I never do that ;)
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13:25<dannys>jake what distro you have?
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13:25<fxiny>jake: have you tryed a #dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
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13:25<dannys>it's is installed on hdd?
13:25<jake>etch r03
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13:25<jake>yes i did dpkg-reconfigure
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13:26<cahoot>jake: only icons too big? not fonts?
13:26<jake>no everything is too big
13:26<jake>and screen resolution has only 640x480
13:26<fxiny>amphi: i'm still on etch so if you tell me lenny awesome works fine i take it as a good news , anyway i want to run xmonad on lenny :)
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13:27<dannys>jake you have nvidia or ati?
13:27<Ikarus>anyone have a md5sum of debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso
13:27<Reggae__>hiu, i had new problems, successfully installed debian, but the problem is it refuses to access into desktop, i can only see blank??
13:28<dannys>Reggae__ try to edit xorg.conf
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13:28<Reggae__>where to edit it? n what i should change?
13:28<cahoot>jake: you can disregard my idea about displaysize - something else is the problem
13:28<fxiny>Reggae__: have you instaled xorg ?
13:29<jake>cahoot, ok
13:29<dannys>cahoot:man xorg.conf
13:29<dannys>jake: you have install drivers?
13:29<jake>dannys, no
13:29<blubb>hi guys
13:29<dannys>try to install it
13:30<jake>dannys, with apt-get?
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13:30<Reggae__>i just install whatever is in the cd, where do i get xorg.conf? and how do i install it?
13:30<Ikarus>ah 1df0cf02ba4213dd94b3e8bbe20cfe73
13:31<jake>thanks dannys :)
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13:38<Reggae__>i just install whatever is in the cd, where do i get xorg.conf? and how do i install it?
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13:38<dannys>Reggae__:whtat disto?
13:40<Reggae__>danny's: linux debian etch powerpc (is that the one u r reffering)?
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13:43<dannys>Reggae__:i think you have already xorg.conf try "nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
13:43<dannys>Reggae__:if you dont have then install drivers for you vga card
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13:45<amphi>is dict-devil broken on lenny for anyone else?
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13:47<Reggae__>dannys : u mean i should install X11 driver? i remember i had that on MAC OS X...u think i must install it?
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13:52<Reggae__>dannys : u mean i should install X11 driver? i remember i had that on MAC OS X...u think i must install it?
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14:01<Reggae__>dannys : u mean i should install X11 driver? i remember i had that on MAC OS X...u think i must install it?
14:01<suiside>Reggae__: first, don't repeat yourself, we have backlogs you know and just saying the same things over and over again doesn't contribute any useful information and is also damn irritating. Secondly, xorg.conf should be generated when xorg is installed, you don't specify how you installed it so I am going to assume it got added by the debian installer, to regenerate xorg.conf you can do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (the package ...
14:01<suiside>... it belongs to)
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14:03<suiside>Reggae__: and what do you mean by X11 driver? you propably want to install the driver for whatever graphic card you are running (do Macs have ATI-cards these days?)
14:03<Reggae__>1st, i apologize for watever it takes, 2nd. pls tell me how to regenerate it, im one step close, pls help me out...n yes mac do have ati graphic, my biook is late 2002 model.
14:04<suiside>Reggae__: I already told you how to regenerate it, read what I said
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14:05<suiside>Reggae__: for ATI cards I believe you'd want the xserver-xorg-video-ati package, you can install it through apt, regenerate xorg.conf afterwards, if the settings you want aren't autodetected you may have to edit the config by hand
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14:05<jake>Reggae__, he told u to open the terminal and write the command there
14:06<Reggae__>now i got it jake, thanks jake, ok ill try suiside
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14:11<jake>hey this auto complete with tab doesn't work when i m in # mode... why?
14:12<jake>in $ i can see install and clear but not in # although it works when i type.
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14:13<suiside>Reggae__: as a sidenote, I'm running debian etch on an iBook G4 (well, lenny these days, but it got installed as etch and upgraded) and the debian installer autodetected all the hardware fine except for the airport extreme card which was easily put to play with fwcutter, so if it's any comfort what you are trying is perfectly doable once you figure out why the autoconfiguration fails on your particular setup
14:14<Reggae__>i had no idea, it just fail.
14:15<jake>suiside, why does etch have a problem with 24bit display?
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14:16<suiside>jake: does it?
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14:17<jake>thats what i read everywhere when i google.. all suggest i change it frm 24 to 16
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14:19<suiside>Reggae__: sadly, that doesn't really help us troubleshoot the issue, a possible method that atleast could narrow down the possibilities could be finding a livecd which succesfully runs X, grab the xorg.conf from there and compare it to the one you are using at the moment
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14:23<gotbell>morning. i have a fresh install of debian etch here. i cant seem to get online though. i can ping any site and get a reply from it, but i cant surf http or connect to irc.
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14:25<valdyn>!tell gotbell -about ask
14:25<valdyn>gotbell: error messages please, and what you actually are pinging / accessing
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14:37<_Standalf>is debian able for user that wants stable linux? I wanna one time set all up and then have tuned linux for next X year(s)
14:37<_Standalf>I wanna left from windows because of unstability
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14:37<gotbell>valdyn: there actually is no error message. the screen just hangs like it's waiting really long for a response but i haven't seen an error message. i was pinging google and yahoo
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14:38<_Standalf>can someone help me?
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14:39<Nemoder>gotbell: perhaps your system is trying to use ipv6 but your network doesn't support it
14:39<dpkg>rumour has it, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0r3), or ask me about <releases>.
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14:39<_Standalf>isn´t debian hard for users?
14:39<gotbell>Nemoder: how would i check that? that's the best idea i've heard all day
14:40<_Standalf>I know just ubuntu but, it isn´t the true
14:40<amphi>_Standalf: no, although you're expected to be able to read documentation ;)
14:40<fxiny>_Standalf: if you install etch/stable now be prepared to upgrade to the next stable which will be lenny coming end of this year , so no X years but n months
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14:41<amphi>_Standalf: I would run lenny, unless it's a server
14:41<fxiny>but , yes , i run stable and yes , is like you want : X years of peace :)
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14:42<Reggae__>suiside : i tried the command it gave me (sudo : dpkg-reconfigure : command not found)?
14:42<gotbell>sudo dpkg-reconfigure
14:43<Reggae__>is there anything wrong?
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14:43<_Standalf>I have ubuntu 8.04 Hardy, but there are some bugs that I hate. I don´t get it. 7.10 is stable and 8.04 is s*it
14:43<gotbell>if my system WAS trying to use ipv6 how can i check that?
14:43<jake>Reggae__, first do su
14:43<jake>then enter password
14:44<amphi>_Standalf: other people seem to have the opposite experience *shrug*
14:45<Reggae__>after entering password?
14:45<jake>then type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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14:45<jake>correct me if im wrong
14:45<jake>i m noob myself
14:45<Reggae__>not to worry, im on the same boat.
14:46<jake>i know its hard but i remember windows ;P
14:47<jake>just once i learn the basics... i will be free frm microsoft :-D
14:47<amphi>!win jake
14:47<dpkg>Congratulations, jake! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut!
14:47<Reggae__>i think the bot doesnt like this
14:48<jake>oh wow
14:48<Reggae__>lol, wat heck. sorry guys, (this my last spam)
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14:48<fxiny>lost factoid , good :P
14:48<fxiny>s/:P/omen :P/
14:48<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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14:49<Reggae__>should i put the debian cd and sudo the terminal? or i just sudo like that?
14:49<jake>i just wish i dont flunk in my exams ... all my friends are studying and i m busy with my machine
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14:50<jake>tell me if u dont know how to get to the terminal
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14:50<Reggae__>i mite b noob, but im ok wif the terminal. ;-)
14:51<jake>i just installed nvidia drivers but no improvement yet
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14:55<Reggae__>gosh, the sudoku thingy is driving me crazy, it does not require me any pass instead it pop out some words as following (sudo -V | -h | -L | -l | -v | -k | -K | [-H] [-P] [-S] [-b] [-p prompt] [-u username/#uid] -s | <command>) whats all this? im lost
14:56<jake>man just type su
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14:58<Reggae__>it says su:sorry
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15:01<Reggae__>hi jake : it says su : sorry? what it means? i dun think i had wrongly typed the pass.
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15:03<jake>i dont know man
15:04<jake>ur typing su at "$" and it is asking u for a password
15:04<jake>that much is happening right
15:04<Reggae__>ok i've done but i typed the "dpkg-reconfigure thingy" it still gives me not a valid command..
15:04<Nemoder>sudo will ask for your user password, su will ask for the root password
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15:05<Reggae__>now suddenly theres sum window pop up asking me to restart the computer by pressing the power buttonseveral seconds?
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15:06<jake>Nemoder, is there anyway i can modify etc files from gui?
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15:06<jake>Nemoder, or the only way is terminal # and nano
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15:07<Nemoder>you can use any gui editor but you have to start the editor with sudo or inside su
15:08<jake>for that i have to open the terminal everytime i want to edit something?
15:09<Nemoder>jake: you could install gksu and make a shortcut to launch it with gksu "yourguieditor"
15:09<jake>oh... thanks
15:09<Nemoder>or gksudo
15:09<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
15:09<enouf>!set up x
15:09<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome><install kde><install xfce>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
15:10<fxiny>!beer enouf
15:10*dpkg pours a quart of Piraat for enouf
15:10<enouf>!tell Reggae__ -about grounding
15:10<fxiny>that's what bot are for
15:10<enouf>!Mr. Daniels fxiny
15:11<fxiny>lovely dear JD
15:11<enouf>!tell jake -about dpi
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15:12<fxiny>enouf: i've fixed my atx fan .found the ultimate high tech item : a toothpick ;)
15:12<Reggae__>it always does the job
15:13<jake>atleast i have some direction now... will struggle tomorrow now...
15:13<jake>thanks everyone :)
15:14<enouf>jake: make sure you select 'nv' when you do the 'drxx'
15:14<jake>but nvidia installation told me to select nvidia and not nv
15:14<enouf>oh, the 3d driver .. ugh
15:15<Reggae__>what is an xterm btw? i use X11 to open it up?
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15:15<enouf>that can be an issue .. jake do; "/msg dpkg nvidia" but i can't really help you with that, i don't use them
15:15<amphi>Reggae__: a shell window in X, in which you can type commands
15:15<Christmas>it's a terminal emulator r shell application
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15:17<enouf>jake: i know your /etc/X11/xorg.conf should have "nvidia" under the Driver section, and perhaps "nvidia" needs to be placed in the list of modules, in /etc/modules
15:17<Reggae__>so can i reconfirgure my xorg.conf there?
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15:17<enouf>Reggae__: yes, become root, then run drxx
15:17<amphi>jake: yes, I believe there is a required nvidia kernel module also
15:17<jake>oh yes that i missed
15:18<Reggae__>so its going to be (root# drxx)?
15:18<gotbell>back again. still cant connect to the net with my clean install. i can ping sites,, etc. i cant use tcp though: firefox just hangs. doesn't even timeout. it just hangs. same with lynx, and wget.
15:18<enouf>jake: when you see <blah> in a factoid, that's referring to another factoid, so "/msg dpkg blah" to see others that pertain to your issue
15:18<enouf>!tell Reggae__ -about drxx
15:19<enouf>Reggae__: how about you read AFM :-)
15:21<jake>and /etc/modules can also be used to initialise my sound card
15:21<Reggae__>i ran (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg : command no valid)
15:21<jake>coz everytime i reboot theres no sound
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15:22<jake>m i correct on that?
15:22<enouf>!tell Reggae__ -about set up x
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15:23<jake>enouf, from wher can i know the module names please
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15:24<enouf>jake: see, now about that, not certain, nvidia-kernel-module, nvidia-glx, but you want module-assistant installed if you do it the debian way
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15:25<k>is there a way to open pkg files with debian?
15:26<enouf>jake: do you mean loaded modules? lsmod will show you those, otherwise /sbin/modprobe -l | grep <name> will pick out what you grep for
15:26<jake>enouf, how do we do that.
15:26<enouf>k: yes, dpkg -x, or use ar
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15:27<Reggae__>another bad command (su : aptitude : command ot found) when i typed "aptitude install xorg"..
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15:27<enouf>Reggae__: try apt-get install xorg
15:27<enouf>Reggae__: aptitude may need to be installed
15:27<jake>my /etc/module has only one word without #... "loop"
15:27<enouf>jake: that's normal
15:28<jake>if i get it right this file initialises all the driver modules..
15:28<jake>for sound for display
15:28<enouf>man losetup for info about what 'loop' is, it's useful
15:29<jake>is it right?
15:29<enouf>jake: the init scripts scan /etc/modules for modules to load at boot
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15:30<jake>so after installing this nvidia driver as explained on page ..
15:30<enouf>jake: some general info about the init scripts
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15:30<jake>where do i see what name to add in /etc/module
15:31<jake>i'll read that
15:31<enouf>i would trust over any other, if i were to trust any
15:31<Reggae__>same error (su : apt-get : command not found) after i typed root# apt-get install xorg, should i put mac cd inside to do so?
15:31<enouf>the module name for nvidia 3D proprietary driver is "nvidia"
15:31<enouf>the Xorg 2D nvidia driver is called 'nv'
15:32<enouf>Reggae__: are you presently booted into Debian? or macOS ?
15:32<enouf>Reggae__: you are too funny
15:32<enouf>you troll ;-P
15:33<Reggae__>i know, im total dumb in this
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15:33<k>Ubuntu/Debian, I downloaded a PS3 app, there seem to be pkg
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15:33<Reggae__>keep it to urself k.
15:33<jake>i think Reggae__ is a dev and is taking my ass
15:33<k>i tried to open the file.. see whats inside.
15:34*k looks for another PS3 iso
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15:35<enouf>Reggae__: my last attempt, just in case .. do "/msg dpkg sources.list" and "/msg dpkg mirrors" and type those into your irc client
15:35<enouf>k: if it's an ISO, you can mount it
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15:35<enouf>k: loop mount it
15:36<k>this one i had, had a bunch of self files, and pkg
15:36<k>i gathered the pkg might hold the files im interested in, map files
15:36<enouf>i have no idea what a ps3 is though
15:36<k>Playstation 3
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15:37<k>im trying to work out a way to gain access to the files, and i cant see to do that from the blu-ray
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15:37<k>so ive been downloading the games, trying to get at the files that way
15:37<jake>enouf, please watch a trailer of nintendo wii on youtube
15:37<enouf>no thanks
15:37<k>wiiś are piss takers
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15:38<jake>why ?
15:38<k>never links anything nintendo
15:38<enouf>no gamers flames please
15:38<k>ops, links, liked
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15:39<Reggae__>this is sick.....
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15:41<Reggae__>ok i want to make it simple, can install sarge solve all my video problems of booting into desktop blank? i do not want to do all the xorg.conf stuff, its just so sick.
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15:42<jake>dude u have to deal with that in some form later if ur using linux
15:42<k>:) I never had to do any of that, if you want it simple. try the ubuntu
15:43<jake>ya ubuntu is kool
15:44<Reggae__>but ubuntu im stuck on a red screen, i waited continuosly for 6 hours and nothing happened...just the dark red screen...nothing else
15:44<Nemoder>it sounds like you need better hardware reggae
15:45*k offers more ram to Reggae__
15:45<Reggae__>whats the min sys requirement?
15:45<Nemoder>I don't mean faster, but better supported
15:45<k>512Meg min
15:45<k>I have 8Gigs
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15:46<Reggae__>so wats the min requirement for ubuntu
15:46<cahoot>not less
15:46<jake>8GIgs? wtf!
15:47<k>Cpu, 1.6Ghz, 512Megs (no ConpizFusion) 2Gigs HD
15:47<jake>i'll gohome with that
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15:47<k>thats what I have on VMware
15:48<Reggae__>i tod ubuntu 6.06 doesnt need that much of requirements?
15:48<k>dunno, ive had problem with less ram, having too 1Gig helps with speed (no swap)
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15:49<k>I have 2 machines, anywho, very low spec and this very high spec
15:49<blarson>!tell Reggae__ about ubuntu
15:49<k>Ubuntu runs on both without issues, highspec machine I have VMware
15:50<blarson>!tell k about ubuntu
15:51*k slaps imaghshack
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15:52<wnd>I think I need to play nethack. I read "imaghshack" as "nethack".
15:52<k>!screengrab url tidypic
15:53<Reggae__>guys, after my debian installation and when i tried to boot into debian desktop, its blankl (just plain black)....mind telling in much simpler ways to solve this?
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15:55<padski>Reggae__, did you install the "desktop" target in the tasksel step in the installer ?
15:56<Reggae__>yes i did.
15:56<k>Reggae__, download ubuntu 8.04, it has a good installer, and you dont have to do much
15:56<k>it you can run the live cd.
15:56<padski>Reggae__, and when you boot do you see stuff before it goes blank ?
15:57<Reggae__>yes, i see vmlinux prompt
15:57<Reggae__>k__: im afraid my ibook is not compatible enuff for it, im running a slow proc of 600mhz yr 2002 model.
15:58<Reggae__>so im kinda out of list for ubuntu,
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15:58<k>ive run ubuntu on my PPC Amiga4000T
15:58<padski>Reggae__, do you see the kernel boot ?
15:58<k>works on that, should work for you
15:58<k>im outta here.
15:58<Reggae__>k__: u sure? it did that/
15:58<k>yeah, PPC distro
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15:59<padski>Reggae__, so you can boot to a text console ?
15:59<Reggae__>so my ibook g3 wouldnt have probs running on 8.04ubuntu? but i had probs on 6.06 itself
16:00<k>should work
16:00<padski>Reggae__, if it really comes down to trying distros to match the hardware, then you could also look at yellowdog, given that ppc is their speciality.
16:01<k>or the link
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16:01<k>there are several PPC distros depends on the hardware.. Ie, PS3, IBM, IA-64, etc
16:01<padski>I found that Ubuntu and Debian both ran no probs on my g4 ibook. I chose the later for obvious reasons ;-)
16:01<Reggae__>padski : im not sure which u r reffering, but the 1st thing when i on, i came across selecting the operating system or the cd, then i came across yaboot bootloader, and the last ting is the vmlinux where theres a penguin thing sitting at the upper left. Then the next screen shows a -...and voila, a blank screen
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16:02<k> pick your hardware, all listed
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16:03<Reggae__>so what does ibook g3 distros run on/
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16:04<dpkg>methinks ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out or visit #debianppc
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16:06<padski>Reggae__, just wanted to point out the #debianppc channel, if that hasn't already been mentioned. it might be easier to rouse ppc specific help on there, dunno.
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16:06<Reggae__>i went there but nobody is able to help
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16:07<padski>Reggae__, the general consensus seems to be that a LiveCD is a good way to test.
16:07<Reggae__>will it be due to my absense of video adapter driver?
16:07<Reggae__>where can i get the livecd? (stable_
16:07<padski>Reggae__, explain
16:08<Reggae__>livecd = full version of debian?
16:11<dpkg>livecd is, like, an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD or or #debian-live on oftc
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16:12<padski>I thought the latest pre-release debian stuff had incorporated a livecd into the install disk, but I may have been mistaken :-(
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16:12<Guest275>whats happen here
16:12<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
16:13<Reggae__>its ok, ill burn the sarge UPDATE version CD1 and install, see how things goes...
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16:13<Reggae__>whats the diffrence between binary version and normal?
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16:14<padski>Reggae__, sarge ? I've missed a bit obviously :-)
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16:14<padski>Reggae__, where do you see that ?
16:14<robo>hi, i have iceweasel in sid and i'd like to use dom-inspector... but i can't find the package for it
16:14<Reggae__>i meant debian 3.1 version A.K.A sarge
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16:15<Reggae__>found on debian website itself a binary version
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16:16<padski>Reggae__, I understand "sarge" fine. you hope for better support installing the older software?
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16:16<Reggae__>btw binary version would have no problem right?
16:17<padski>Reggae__, i don't understand, url ?
16:20<Reggae__>hold on
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16:22<padski>robo, looks like it is in lenny, but not sid.
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16:22<robo>padski: yea, that's as much as i can see, that's why i came to ask here :)
16:22<Reggae__>here padski :
16:23<padski>robo, looks like iceweasel 3.0~rc2 is transitioning into sid ?
16:23<robo>oh, so i'll just wait for 3.0 then
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16:25<padski>Reggae__, I see what you mean. yeah, that looks about right to me :-)
16:26<padski>robo, either that or perhaps use the version in lenny
16:26<Reggae__>so i guess ill be trying sarge and let u noe how it goes,im just sick then i failed every installation from ubuntu to debian, im not a linux-type iguess,...
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16:27<padski>Reggae__, it is surely not the easiest hardware to install on :-)
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16:29<amphi>Reggae__: did you ask for help in #debian-ppc ?
16:29<Reggae__>yes sir. It is not. btw ubuntu site server seems to be down, 3 person other alternatives?
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16:31<Reggae__>amphi : yes i did, but no one seems to b helpful there...
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16:41<engkeboy>anyone use mdadm here?
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16:41<engkeboy>anyone please..
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16:42<blarson>!tell engkeboy about anyone
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16:43<engkeboy>mytube:/home/engkeboy# mdadm --add /dev/md2 /dev/sda3
16:43<engkeboy>mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda3: Device or resource busy
16:43<engkeboy>what was that mean?
16:43<robo>engkeboy: that something is using /dev/sda3 ?
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16:45<engkeboy>just setup raid1 on a running system.. and when i bootup to my newsystem running raid.. im trying to add the old hdd im using..
16:45<engkeboy>thats the only partition i didnt add..
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16:48<dpkg>device is busy? Try lsof or fuser, and grep for the mount point or the device name.
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16:49<padski>there oughta be a better way to do that :-)
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16:51<engkeboy>i'll just have to input in the terminal lsof... then input grep /dev/sda3? like that?
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16:52<padski>engkeboy, sorry. I mostly used that factoid through laziness. it refers to the situation where you are trying to unmount a filesystem but get that error message.
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16:53<padski>engkeboy, you have a similar but different problem, by the sounds of it. does sda3 appear in the output of df ?
16:53<engkeboy>no.. it doesnt appear..
16:54<engkeboy>sda3 is don't appear in my df..
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16:56<hernan>Holaaaa :)
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16:57<hernan>Helloooo :)
16:57<hernan>Hi ?
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16:58<dpkg>hello, padski
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16:59<hernan>Hey guys, this chat room was preset by debian... It is for support?
16:59<dondelelcaro>hernan: yes.
16:59<dondelelcaro>hernan: see /topic for details and more information
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16:59<hernan> /topic
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17:00<hernan>Mmm, but, how i do that?
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17:00<hernan>I guess you all are debian users, right?
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17:01<twist__>where do i get help in here?
17:01<hernan>Just ask
17:01<Medalgod>the corner :p
17:02<twist__>right, im on etch and im trying to ru wine-doors, you may have heard this before but i dont have the python module called rsvg
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17:04<hernan>Wine-doors is an application designed to make installing windows
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17:04<hernan>software on Linux, Solaris or other Unix systems easier. Wine-doors
17:04<Medalgod>^^ i googled it :p
17:04<Medalgod>too hernan :p
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17:05<twist__>I tryed to get a couple of windows applications running the normal way with wine, but it all seemes to fai, so i thought id try this.
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17:06<hernan>did u check the wine ap database?
17:06<Medalgod>its just a front-end for wine anyway
17:06<Medalgod>^^ just mess with the wine config
17:06<twist__>And a few how-toos.
17:06<twist__>Done that too.
17:06<Medalgod>wre did u get the install for wine-doors?
17:06<twist__>has some problems with directX
17:06<twist__>From the site.
17:07<E0x>twist__: try installing python-gnome2-desktop
17:07<Medalgod>the deb dl, or custom compiled?
17:07<Medalgod>python should be installed by default^^
17:08<twist__>The deb, and its allready installed.
17:08<twist__>read that, thats my exact problem
17:09<Medalgod>do you have all the dependencies
17:09<Medalgod>as E0x sed... python-gnome2-desktop is a dependancy that could case the issue
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17:09<twist__>I allready have that but it dosnt include rsvg.
17:10<twist__>twist@twist-d:~$ sudo apt-get install python-gnome2-desktop
17:10<twist__>Reading package lists... Done
17:10<twist__>Building dependency tree... Done
17:10<twist__>python-gnome2-desktop is already the newest version.
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17:10<hernan>maybe installin rsvg ?
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17:10<twist__>Ah my bad :P
17:10<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
17:11<Medalgod>debian repos may not have it but ull get it on the net
17:11<twist__>ok, on its own?
17:11<twist__>I dont really have that much experience with linux, so is it easy to install it?
17:11<hernan>The rsvg library is an efficient renderer for Scalable Vector Graphics(SVG) pictures... ...
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17:13<Medalgod>the python-gnome2-desktop version needs to be sid...etch is not supported unless you get you're own copy of it & compile it by ureself :)
17:13<hernan>i found librsvg2-2
17:13<hernan>but in lenny
17:13<Medalgod>librsvg2-2 is in etch, but as i say ^^
17:14<Medalgod>if ure new to linux a dist-upgrade may be easiest for you if you want to use wine-doors
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17:14<twist__>Hmm, will that touch my original installation?
17:14<hernan>the truth is I dont understand which is the problem :D
17:15<hernan>This will transform your stable into testing
17:15<hernan>what about mixing?
17:15<Medalgod>ye, it will touch your installation, upgrade it
17:16<hernan>adding the testing repos, install what you need and then delte this line from de sources.list
17:16<twist__>Ahhh i see.
17:16<Medalgod>by mixing i assum you mean take testing code, compile & run it on etch, sure that possible but if he's new it'll be a pain in the backside, i personally still avoid compiling in debian as it's a pain
17:16<hernan>(sorry for my english)
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17:17<Medalgod>wt hernan sed will work but you won't get updates
17:17<hernan>Some one had check the backports?
17:17<twist__>So where do i find the unstable repos then?
17:17<hernan>yes, he wont get updates of the testing packages
17:18<hernan>try first testing
17:18<Medalgod>^^ wt i ment to put :p
17:18<twist__>im sure it wont make a such a big differnce as its only one thing.
17:18<Medalgod>testing will be fine, unstable isn't required
17:18<hernan>if u want i can pass you my repos
17:18<Medalgod>as fopr the repo's open you're current repos and just change etch to lenny
17:18<twist__>ok sure pastebin it
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17:18<Medalgod>at the end of each line
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17:18<twist__>ok i see.
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17:19<Medalgod>w/eva you do don;t do an apt-get update ;)
17:19<Medalgod>it'll migrate you to lenny :p
17:20<twist__>ok i wont
17:20<hernan>im back
17:20<twist__>just get the package i need right
17:20<twist__>then revert the sources back to etch?
17:20<Medalgod>once uve got it working
17:20<twist__>ok sure, and i need to change all of them?
17:21<Medalgod>just the main one shud be fine
17:21<hernan>ahh, I have them in the same line
17:21<Medalgod>u wont need to change security is wt im saying hernan
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17:21<hernan>sorry, I dont speack english good enoght :D
17:21<hernan>so... resuming...
17:21<Medalgod>fair enuf
17:22<hernan>nano /etc/apt/sources.list
17:22<hernan>changing etch or stable to lenny or testing
17:22<hernan>aptitude update
17:22<twist__>Yes ive done that
17:22<twist__>Now wich oackage do i need again.
17:22<hernan>aptitude install wine-doors... :)
17:22<twist__>ahhhhh ok
17:22<Medalgod>^^ or nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list if u wna be really anal :p
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17:23<twist__>E: Package wine-doors has no installation candidate
17:24<Medalgod>try apt-get install -y python-gnome2-desktop
17:24<twist__>python-gnome2-desktop is already the newest version.
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17:25<Medalgod>u need to make it recheck the repos
17:25<cAm34>apt-ge update
17:25<hernan>apt-get update
17:26<twist__>ok sure but i would be on lenny then no?
17:26<Medalgod>update will only redo the linking, its upgrade wich will update the files
17:26<twist__>ok thanks
17:26<hernan>maybe in contrib ???
17:27<Medalgod>it'll be there, just he ws stil using the etch sources as the update cmd hadnt been run
17:27<twist__>ok thankyou its updateing.
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17:28<Medalgod>^^ looking bak it would have been easier to go thru the repo's on a http server, dl the deb's & install by hand... :p
17:28<twist__>ok its going to take about 30 minuets to get the new python-gnome2-desktop
17:28<Medalgod>wel tht officially makes me an idiot p_-
17:28<twist__>oh well, i dont mind waiting
17:29<twist__>ive been working on thos all day
17:29<xid>wine-doors is not a debian packages
17:29<Medalgod>alrite twist, remember to do a nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update
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17:29<hernan>It's in my repos
17:29<Medalgod>wdya mean xid
17:29<hernan>I dont know wich one
17:29<twist__>ok i will do, ill stick around and let you know how it goes.
17:30<Medalgod>i mite nt be here, hve to go surf the web to find a new hard disk
17:30<hernan>Guys, anyone knows why qtiplot closes ??
17:30<Medalgod>well ill be eher, just not listening/paying any attention
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17:31<Medalgod>frozen app, system crash, close with kill or just exit, & is the process stil in top
17:31<hernan>just exit
17:31<hernan>without adverting
17:32<hernan>(may be I invented that words :S )
17:32<cAm34>who uses bitchX?
17:32<hernan>not me
17:32<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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17:33<Medalgod>so is the process still in top
17:33<hernan>I ll will see what the console says
17:33<cAm34>Wow! thats awesome - you guys must get asked that stuff all the time!
17:33<Medalgod>& wt ver of debian are you using
17:33<Medalgod>^^thts y we hve a script for it
17:33<Medalgod>so wts the qu
17:33<hernan>Violación de segmento
17:34<dpkg>Since Tue Apr 29 06:03:30 2008, there have been 263 modifications, 5130 questions, 1224 dunnos, 22 morons and 1317 commands. I have been awake for 48d 15h 30m 32s this session, and currently reference 38197 factoids. I'm using about 17088 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2136/141.9 child 0/0
17:34<hernan>Im using testing but qtiplot is in sid
17:34<Medalgod>its the 22 morons that really gets ya aint it
17:34<dpkg>well, moron is someone that types long lines starting with "dpkg", or a person whose brain needs to be on more
17:34<Medalgod>^^ almost as bad as me earlier i wrote the same port twice in an nmap scan :s
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17:35<cAm34>do people do dpkg -i type stuff in here? lol
17:35<ccg->what package contains the kernellog daemon ?
17:35<Medalgod>anyway hernan, if it's from sid it's normal for things to screw up, it's called unstable cos it's just that
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17:35<Medalgod>try putting the sid repos in & upgrading the package
17:35<Medalgod>to the latest
17:35<hernan>So u think that is a qtiplot package problem
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17:36<Medalgod>ner, bug in the program
17:36<Medalgod>go to their site and inform the developers, or try compiling the source
17:36<hernan>I need this program :'(
17:36<Medalgod>is thre a stable version
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17:36<Medalgod>silly qu, thre aint one in the etch repos so the ansas no :p
17:36<hernan>I tried but I found too dificult to compile that program
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17:36<Medalgod>^^ as i say, google the problem thre may be a bugfix on the development site
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17:37<hernan>Do you think that can be a good idea get the package from the ubuntu repos?
17:37<Medalgod>admittedly compiling in debian is one of the most labourous things in the history of computing
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17:37<hernan>I google that but i found nothing
17:37<Medalgod>mybe hernon, luk at wt ver ubuntu is on & its dependancies
17:38<hernan>Im just a user :)
17:38<Medalgod>me2... never been a debian developer
17:38<hernan>Tanx medagod
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17:38<hernan>I tried to say that i dont know too much
17:38<Medalgod>like using the os for it's easy deployment, but as i said earlier, out of all the linux distro's i find it the worst for developing
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17:39<Medalgod>whos oi'ing now eh
17:39<jaime>tu e gay
17:39<hernan>Medalgod, r u a developer?
17:39<aluno0>im from brazil
17:39<Medalgod>learn english m8
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17:39<Medalgod>nt u aluno
17:39<Medalgod>no hernan
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17:39<Medalgod>as i say, i cant stand compiling on debian :P
17:40<aluno0>speak por englesh
17:40<cAm34>we lik3 teh g4y
17:40<hernan>Hola brasilero!!
17:40<aluno0>hola friend
17:40<jaime>friend ?
17:41<hernan>Yes, im from southamerica
17:41<aluno0>how place you is herman ?
17:41<hernan>Jaime... ...
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17:41<Medalgod>jaime if all you've got to bring to the chanel is the word gay...
17:42<cAm34>hahah so constructive
17:42<hernan>Problem with gfrotran, is there an alternative?
17:42<Medalgod>u mean fortran ?
17:43<PetaWindows>aluno0 or jaime: who is more gay?
17:43<aluno0>jaime is this place
17:43<aluno0>he is not gay
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17:44<Medalgod>gfortran is just a dependancy
17:44<hernan>i guss, the stable version?
17:44<hernan>yes, i have gfortran-4.3
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17:44<Medalgod>and wts the prob ur having, when you execute it you're using the full: gfortran-4.3 not just gfortran ye?
17:44<hernan>I was using fortran in windows, and when i tried to compile in debian i have hundreds of errors
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17:45<jaime>You're not my type. For that matter, you're not even my species!!!
17:45<PetaWindows>jaime: aluno0 loves you
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17:45<aluno0>ihhhh windows is a dust
17:45<hernan>when I tried to compile what i was doing in win
17:45<Medalgod>wt particular type of fortran, gfortran is fortran 95, do a search for fortran compiler, there are others
17:45<jaime>You are a bundle of energy, always on the go.
17:46<aluno0>he is my friend
17:46<jaime>love no
17:46<hernan>I dont know exactly, i think i used fortran 90
17:46<aluno0>aluno0 is yahoo
17:46<PetaWindows>aluno0: jaime only wants you for having sex
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17:47<jaime>It's lucky you're going so slowly, because you're going in the wrong direction.
17:47<jaime>windows x linux
17:47<hernan>Hey guys! It is not place to talk about sex!!
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17:48<hernan>Medalgod, I get some stupid errors, like problems with the use of the tab key
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17:48<Medalgod>try it in g77 ^^ just to see if it works :p
17:49<jaime>bye exit
17:49<Medalgod>do u mean it's rejecting use of the tab key in the source
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17:49<hernan>but, fortran 95 should to be compatible with f77 right?
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17:49<Medalgod>odd, normally just classes as whitespace & move on
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17:49<Medalgod>idk hernan, don't know fortran
17:49<hernan>Yes, I mean that
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17:50<hernan>*note: I can use tab in windows
17:50<Medalgod>different compilers like different syntax
17:50<Medalgod>its just a fact of life
17:50<hernan>but I think it is good idea use g77
17:51<Medalgod>although tab should be allowed, we shud complain to the desgin team :p
17:51<hernan>but... it is posible that handle the tab key like gfortran
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17:51<hernan>"although tab should be allowed, we shud complain to the desgin team" What????
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17:52<Medalgod>g77 and gfortran will be entirely different code bases so they may treat tab differently
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17:52<aluno0>sory herman what is this if your speak, I dont know this !!!
17:52<hernan>Well... I replace tabs with normal spaces but still having other errors
17:52<Medalgod>and as for the stuff i wrote before that didnt make sense, it meant to read:
17:52<Medalgod>tab should be allowed syntax and read as whitespace...we shud complain :p
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17:53<hernan>yes, we have to go to the streets!!!
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17:54<aluno0>I study english at six moths
17:54<Medalgod>and yes... we will have to go to the streets... or make the changes ourself, bus as i say i dnt use fortran so it really doesn't bother me
17:54<hernan>It is a world problem, what Im doing maybe change your life :P
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17:55<aluno0>I have a big problem
17:55<hernan>Congratulations :P
17:55<Medalgod>uh ohhh
17:55<Medalgod>thats not meant to happen.... a problem :p
17:56<hernan>Well... We have to listen him... ¿or her?
17:56<aluno0>Im using ubuntu gesac
17:56<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
17:56<hernan>Yes, using ubuntu is a problem B)
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17:57<Medalgod>a big one
17:57<aluno0>made for we from brazil
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17:57<Medalgod>dus that mean we cnt use it in england :S
17:58<hernan>let her tell us her problem
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17:58<hernan>Tell us aluno
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17:59<hernan>Medalgod, why there are so much people here?
17:59<Medalgod>in the chanel?
17:59<renginez>in mac does requiring appatitude = installing appatitude in base system installation?
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17:59<Medalgod>people leave their computers on 'round the clock, idling in the chanel
17:59<aluno0>we broblem is slolly
17:59<hernan>Renginez, hi...
18:00<hernan>Aluno!!! tell the problem and no an introduction
18:00<aluno0>we have a lan
18:00<Medalgod>apt under mac... why would you do that?
18:00<hernan>Medalgod and me will juzge how much silly is it B)
18:00<Medalgod>ofcoarse ;)
18:00<aluno0>and machines of hd
18:00<hernan>hard drive
18:01<Medalgod>hdd=hard disk drive, hd = hi def, wondering what the hell you were on about :p
18:01<aluno0>he is thin client
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18:01<aluno0>hard disk
18:01<hernan>well... continue pls
18:02<hernan>or continuate?
18:02<stone>is there any polish chanel for debian on this server?
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18:02<Medalgod>ahh so you use a single serever backend to serve up cpu runtime to diskless client machines, always wanted to do that... then you could have fanless (silent) client machines with the full power of a load & noisy cooled machine
18:02<hernan>is there any spanish chanel for debian on this server?
18:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:02<dpkg>[pl] perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
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18:03<Medalgod>lol ^^ like it how perl & packet loss are more important than the polish
18:03<hernan>is dpkg a bot? I dont want to tell "tanx" to a bot
18:03<twist___>i might aswel just upgrade this is getting silly
18:03<Medalgod>ye, dpkg is a bot
18:03<twist___>is lenny any good?
18:03<Medalgod>wts gon rong twist
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18:03<hernan>I dont get that
18:03<Medalgod>lenny is most peoples preference as a desktop
18:03<twist___>nothing its just changeing heaps and heaps of things
18:03<hernan>im using lenny
18:04<Medalgod>as it looks fancier
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18:04<Medalgod>& has newer apps
18:04<dpkg>i heard pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
18:04<twist___>I dont mind the looks im running beryl so
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18:04<twist___>How long do you think it will take to upgrade?
18:05<hernan>Well, the truth is that i use lenny because there are some aplications that are not in stable...
18:05<Medalgod>well, if im honest im only using etch because i doubt lenny would be able to do my 30 odd day average uptime's under average system loads of about 2...constantly :p
18:05<hernan>I recommend you not upgrade... just install again
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18:06<aluno0>we not have a money for upgrade
18:06<Medalgod>depends how long you've had debian installed & how much custom setup you have, if you're like me and have weeks worth of customisation u'll wna upgrade :P
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18:06<craigevil>lenny can do uptime of 30+ days, i run sid and my uptime is up 28 days, 2:40, 1 user, load average: 0.30, 0.39, 0.42
18:06<Medalgod>wt's that aluno
18:06<Medalgod>i ws tlkin to twist nt u aluno, soz
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18:06<Medalgod>they're tiny load averages tho
18:06<twist___>How would i go about upgradeing?
18:07<jaime> do not know I say engles more I go to strengthen myself
18:07<Medalgod>I have a ton of stuf running round the clock, often in excess of 300 procs
18:07<hernan>which internet conection do u have?
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18:07<hernan>speed conection?
18:08<hernan>mm :(
18:08<Medalgod>^^shouldn't matter, switch the repo's to lenny, do a :
18:08<Medalgod>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
18:08<aluno0>it is slow
18:08<twist___>ok thankyou
18:08<hernan>dist-upgrade ??
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18:08<Medalgod>or dist-upgrade
18:08<Medalgod>mite be easier :p
18:08<twist___>That sounds better ;)
18:08<Medalgod>now he mentions it
18:09<Medalgod>but both way's ed wrk... me thinks
18:09<hernan>I think u should get some advantages
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18:09<themill>You might find that etch->lenny needs aptitude dist-upgrade not apt-get dist-upgrade. And a dist-upgrade will definitely be requried; an upgrade just won't do it.
18:09<hernan>if not,.. not updrade
18:09<Medalgod>or twist, do you have any free raw disk space
18:09<Medalgod>you could dual boot em
18:10<aluno0>but we have a project
18:10<shilow>can someone help me with something? i use to get a small orange box on my taskbar that told me when there were updates for sid and when my gnome dumped i had to reinstall gnome-desktop-environment and it doesn't pop up anymore whats the name of the package that has that update ticker
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18:10<aluno0>of with computers and linux
18:10<aluno0>here in brazil
18:11<craigevil>shilow: try update-notifier and software-properties-gtk
18:11<aluno0>teacher lunux
18:11<Medalgod>^^shilow, I'm not sure but it will probably be a cron daemon, you could make one yourself to do it all for you behind the scenes :)
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18:12<shilow>medal: i wound up having to dist-upgrade back to testing
18:12<shilow>then back to unstable
18:12<shilow>to get my gnome back
18:12<aluno0>até mais amigos
18:12<stone>shilow: apt-file search update-notifier
18:12<shilow>it was fubar
18:12<renginez02>anyone me in mac does requiring appatitude = installing appatitude in base system installation?
18:13<stone>shilow: shows update-notifier
18:13<thaycs>(you mean aptitude right?)
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18:13<Medalgod>^^ wt stone sed, one of dem fings u no only wen u see it
18:13<renginez02>anyone can tell me in mac does requiring appatitude = installing appatitude in base system installation? (edit)
18:13<aluno0>yes I'm come back
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18:14<Medalgod>@renginez02 first of all.... tell me why ur installing aptitude on a mac...please tell me, i just don't see the point o_-
18:14<hernan>apt-build VS apt-get -b source WAR!! :p
18:15<Medalgod>apt-get -b source ftw :p
18:15<Medalgod>for the win
18:15<hernan>mmm why?
18:16<hernan>I tried apt-build and make me some headaches
18:16<Medalgod>idk, just makes more sense to me to pass an option to apt-get rather than use a seperate apt tool
18:16<jaime>here in telecentro and slow the system,
18:16<jaime> as aluno0 this saying and linux ubuntu 7,4
18:16<jaime> ours linux that we use, and we give lessons of linux of favour with certifyd I tou using a translator of engles
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18:17<hernan>and do u know how can i do to mmm(word) for my athlon 64 ?
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18:17<Medalgod>wt hernan
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18:18<hernan>i wish to compile using processor instruction of my athlon64
18:18<jaime>is speaking of where
18:18<Medalgod>u need to set build parameters
18:18<hernan>Sound hard
18:18<Medalgod>i hvnt a clue hw to do tht on debian, u wna do some compiling on gentoo tho im happy to help :p
18:19<hernan>But im using debian :(
18:19<Medalgod>so am i
18:19<hernan>Ooo, I see, u are a gentoo spy :@
18:19<Medalgod>ive been spotted :p;
18:20<Medalgod>ner ive been usin debian for years :p...couldn;t give it up
18:20<jaime>bye exit
18:20<hernan>it seems like u have an gforce card :)
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18:21<Medalgod>ye y
18:21*weasel suggests that you all get real keyboards
18:21<hernan>I know that
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18:21<Medalgod>u dun an ip lookup and connected to my web server?
18:21<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
18:21<weasel>typing on cellphones that force you to say stuff like 'i hvnt a clue hw to do tht on debian, u wna ' can't be fun
18:21<hernan>hahaha no
18:21<themill>Bloody impossible for the rest of us to understand, too.
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18:21<weasel>well, he said he had no clue.
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18:22<weasel>that much was obvious from the typing :)
18:22<hernan>I just wanna know if some one can tellme something about nvidia 64bits drivers
18:22<weasel>hernan: I installed my desktop in 32 bit mode because I suspected nvidia's 32 bit support to be better than their 64 bit support
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18:22<weasel>I never verified it that suspicion was correct
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18:23<hernan>I can not install the 64bit driver
18:23<weasel>why not?
18:23<hernan>I get a lot of errors before the program loads
18:23<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
18:23<weasel>did you follow that?
18:24<hernan>I have no problem with 32 bits
18:24<hernan>but i cant run the 64bits installation
18:24<weasel>"run the installation" suggests you are doing something wrong anyway
18:24<weasel>there are packages, aren't there?
18:24<hernan>sh NVIDIA...... .. .run :S
18:25<weasel>if you tried the installer from nvidia it will have scrwed up your system
18:25<weasel>good luck fixing it
18:25<hernan>there are packages?
18:25<hernan>good packages??
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18:25<hernan>that let get hardware aceleration?
18:25<weasel>good thing you searched the internet before running a root kit from some random hardware vendor website
18:25<hernan>Im ashame :(
18:25<Medalgod>just go to the nvidia site & dl the official driver
18:26<Medalgod>extracy & excetute as root
18:26<Medalgod>instalkling the drivers are piece o' piss
18:26<weasel>hernan: and don't listen to Medalgod
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18:26<Medalgod>y dont listen to me
18:26<hernan>lets talk :)
18:26<weasel>because you give bad advice and you can't write a proper sentence.
18:26<jaime>you and gay everything that does not give to kiss in anûs
18:26<jaime> you good I I know to say to Brazilian and engles
18:26<Medalgod>im running nvidia with dual wide-screen output :p
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18:27<Medalgod>ok, i do write a proper sentence it's just shortand
18:27<engkeboy>if i use raid1 in my 2hdds with 1tb capacity each how much freespace do i have? 1tb or i can use the whole 2tb?
18:27<weasel>it's idiot-speak.
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18:27<weasel>engkeboy: raid1 means you have 1tb afterwards.
18:27<Medalgod>no, it's faster to type
18:28<weasel>it's also harder to read, therefore rude.
18:28<engkeboy>i can't grow it to occupy all the 2 hdds?
18:28<weasel>we would welcome if you typed properly while being on this channel
18:28<hernan>Well... it is posible get packages that give us hardware acceleration?? If not.. I dont cara too much for securuity... I dont have nothin secret
18:28<weasel>engkeboy: not a raid1. raid1 is mirroring.
18:28<simonrvn>...and gave good advice.
18:28<Medalgod>weasel, in what way is less strain on my fingers rude
18:28<weasel>engkeboy: it means that all your data will still be there when one disk blows up
18:28<weasel>simonrvn: that's asking for a bit much
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18:28<hernan>The free drivers only provides 2D acceleration, whereas the non-free drivers supports 3D-acceleration.
18:29<simonrvn>Medalgod: the "ME ME ME ME" attitude is rude.
18:29<weasel>engkeboy: if you don't care about the redundancy then you don't want raid1 but raid0 or lvm or something like that
18:29<Medalgod>the non-free nv drivers didn;t work with twin-monitors too well when i tried it
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18:29<engkeboy>ahh.. now i understand.. i still have 2hdds that is not being attached. if attach it and add it to md with the same size 2tb total how much freespace do i have?
18:29<Medalgod>simonrvm, where do i use a "ME ME ME" attitude
18:30<hernan>Mmm, but, I seems like it is a problem with MY pc, righ?
18:30<weasel>hernan: the non-free drivers are packaged.
18:30<Medalgod>yes hernan, but i'm telling you the problem i came across... a warning if you have 2 displays
18:30<weasel>hernan: the package makes it possible for you to install it without screwing up your system all over
18:31<weasel>engkeboy: if you have 2 harddisks that you don't use why not simply partition and mount them seperately?
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18:31<weasel>engkeboy: under /media/disk1 and /media/disk2 for instance?
18:31<Medalgod>your system couldn;t get screwed if you backed up you'r xorg.conf
18:31<weasel>the nvidial thing does ugly stuff to binaries in /usr
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18:31<Medalgod>it doent overwrite em tho weasel
18:32<thaycs>!kill Medalgod
18:32*dpkg chops Medalgod's head off with a rusty dagger
18:32<Medalgod>they're still there, just gotta point you're system to the right place... thus why i say backup xorg.conf
18:32<weasel>do what you want to do, just don't tell other people it's sane.
18:33<hernan>Ok, stop fighting, I ll continue with the 32 bits drivers :S
18:33<themill>Medalgod: You are so far out of your depth it's not funny. Please stop giving bad advice and stop arguing about it when this is pointed out.
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18:33<Medalgod>where have i given bad advice
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18:34<simonrvn>when you've been talking
18:35<thaycs>OH SHI-
18:35<Nemoder>Medalgod: nvidia's installer WILL overwrite system libs, not just config files
18:35<Medalgod>o wel, obviously nobody wants me here, i'm off ;)
18:36<Medalgod>and Nemoder, the version I have installed certainly hasn't overwritten anything
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18:36<engkeboy>im thinking of just mounting it.. but can i mount it in the same path? like in the /var?
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18:36<weasel>engkeboy: no.
18:36<Nemoder>heh oh well, he'll find out next time he updates
18:36<hernan>anyone have experience with fortran on linux?
18:37<weasel>there's a compiler..
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18:37<engkeboy>but i think lvm is very dangerous to use..
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18:37<hernan>yes, I know, gfortran give me a lot of errors
18:38<engkeboy>i have a box also attached 4hdds that is being runned by lvm.. and when the 1hdd blows.. all my files are gone..
18:38<hernan>I was making a program under windows, I wish to continue on linux but I get a lot of errors during compilation
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18:39<weasel>engkeboy: with 4 disks maybe you want raid5?
18:40<engkeboy>raid5? i havent read about that.. it is also capable of making multiple hdds into 1large directory/partition?
18:40<weasel>read the entry on RAID on wikipedia
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18:42<engkeboy>any tutorial on setting raid5 up?
18:42<themill>hernan: can you pastebin them?
18:42<engkeboy>just read it in
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18:43<hernan>mmm I dont know :$ Im novice :) I ll try :) (but this errors doenst give the windows compiler
18:45<hernan>Warning: Nonconforming tab character at (1)
18:45<hernan>Error: Unexpected PARAMETER statement at (1)
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18:46<hernan>Error: 'a' and 'p' arguments of 'mod' intrinsic at (1) must have the same type
18:46<themill>hernan: please don't paste into the channel. Use a pastebin.
18:46<hernan>Error: Two main PROGRAMs at (1) and (2)
18:46<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
18:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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18:48<hernan>Well, sorry, but... This are the most common errors
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18:49<hernan>Any ideas?
18:50<themill>hernan: what version of gfortran are you trying to use? and what fortran compiler did you use on windows?
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18:51<azeem>hernan: did you write this program yourself?
18:51<hernan>im using gfortran-4.3 and on windows was using somthing named something like "Microsoft ... studio" I dont remember, I dont have it at home and i dont install it :S
18:52<hernan>Im not a developer, it's a physical simulation (my first )
18:52<azeem>fortran isn't the most portable language, you will have to adapt it to standard fortran I guess
18:52<azeem>maybe try with the Intel Fortran Compiler
18:53<hernan>ooo, I see, u mean that maybe on windows I used code that is no standar and only works with this particular compiler... And now, i get error for these reason
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18:54<weasel>hernan: yes, that's probably it
18:54<weasel>hernan: gfortran might be stricter
18:54<hernan>mmm :(
18:55<hernan>the main problem is that I dont know what code is "standard" and what is not
18:55<azeem>hernan: did you try to write fortran77 or fortran90+ code?
18:55<azeem>hernan: buy a book
18:55<azeem>hernan: this channel is not for programming advice, sorry
18:55<hernan>I think its a mix :D
18:55<hernan>I know
18:56<hernan>And for economic support :D ?
18:56<hernan>Tanx, Now I have a idea of what is wrong :D
18:57<hernan>i thought that was gfortran :S
18:57<hernan>tanks you all :)
18:57<themill>hernan: if you are desperate, stuff compiled in the way you have done it with windows usually runs OK under wine. You could try that, but converting to a more standard fortran would be a better plan.
18:57<azeem>W 38
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19:02<hernan>tanx, themill, im not desesperate but i can not waste too much time with this proyect, so ill try wine
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19:03<DiEeeGo>ciao a tutti
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19:04<dpkg>i guess #debian-it is Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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19:36<NickNameOkay>alguem fala portugues ?
19:37<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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19:41<NickNameOkay>dpkg nao tem ninguem la
19:41<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, NickNameOkay
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19:42<NickNameOkay>dpkg sera que so existe suporte para quem fala ingles ?
19:42<dpkg>NickNameOkay: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
19:42<NickNameOkay>Okay Thank You
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20:52<marcot>Is there a way of reconstructing a package with just debian/changelog altered without a complete rebuild?
20:53<marcot>And debian/control
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20:56<simonrvn>unpack the thing and repack it. exact details escape me, but it's easy to do
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21:08<marcot>simonrvn: even if I change control?
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21:16<marcot>simonrvn: I'm kind of afraid to break something. Doesn't debian/control fields change another files?
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21:27<simonrvn>just be careful with it. you can see the new maintainer's guide for more info if you like
21:27<dpkg>[nmg] Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>
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21:28<marcot>simonrvn: thanks.
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21:32<enouf>hiya folks; if you're familiar with the kmuto images, could you tell me if there;s an easier way to check the kernels' .config and available modules other than having to d/l the full ~230MB ISO, loop mounting that, extracting the .deb for the linux-image-VERSION within, then going to it's /boot/config-2.6.xxxxx .. and subsequently for modules, using find on it's /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686/kernel ? then modinfo on found ones
21:33<enouf>i did find support that i expected - just asking for next time ;-)
21:33<marcot>simonrvn: You sure helped, but I think I prefer to wait for the normal build than to risk a broken package.
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21:52<simonrvn>that's cool
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22:16<tyi>hi all, I want to retrieve a file from squid, is there a cache folder where I'm able to find the files that it had cached?
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22:16<nevyn>tyi: yes but no
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22:17<nevyn>tyi: the cache is stored on disk by hash..
22:17<nevyn>so while the file is there somewhere.. the where is going to be difficult.
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22:17<tyi>hmmm... maybe I can match by size?
22:17<tyi>or will it be completely unreadable
22:18<nevyn>why not just re-fetch it with a webbrowser?
22:18<nevyn>if you knowthe original url and you know that it hasn't been expired from the cache.. just asking forthe url again should get you the file.
22:20<tyi>Yeah.. the problem is my work has 4 ISPs that interchanges randomly.. I was told it won't grep from squid unless I land on that same ISP i downloaded the file with.
22:20<tyi>I might just keep retrying till i land on that IP to dl that file I guess.
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22:20<tyi>Thanks for your help nevyn. :)
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22:24<nevyn>ummm.. if the squid is local (not at the isp) then it should return the cached version regardless of the upstream path.
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22:32<Stack>hi all! How to install programs who have many deb packets in 1 folder?
22:32<abrotman>dpkg -i *.deb
22:32<dpkg>package *.deb is already installed
22:32<abrotman>dpkg: shuddup
22:32<dpkg>Fine, I'll be quiet.
22:32<Stack>) thx
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22:42<meoblast001>hello... i just got banned from Ubuntu servers for having a complete mental breakdown and i wanted to know if anyone could help me set up IRCd-Hybrid... its being very mean and refuses connection to all clients
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22:45<blarson>!tell meoblast001 about ubuntu
22:45<meoblast001>oh yay
22:45<meoblast001>im gonna get told off again
22:45<abrotman>meoblast001: Ubuntu is offtopic here .. try #ubuntu or ##linux
22:46<meoblast001>i just got banned from #ubuntu
22:46<meoblast001>cuz i hada mental breakdown
22:46<abrotman>there is more than one #ubuntu
22:46<meoblast001>the stress got to me
22:46<abrotman>we don't care .. not our problem
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23:30<kaliMastah>does anyone here knows how to install irda to a knoppix distro?
23:31<gsimmons>!tell kaliMastah -about knoppix
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23:45<kaliMastah>anyone here using knoppix?
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23:46<gsimmons>kaliMastah: You're in the wrong channel for support of your distribution. You'd want #knoppix on
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23:56<Supaplex>fine, just leave then.
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