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00:13<jake>enouf, i woke up this morning and my eyesight has become interlaced.. how do i fix this now... :(
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00:19<enouf>jake: you still messing with proprietary 3d stuffs?
00:20<Supaplex>!lart sandisk's 4gb microsd flash memory
00:20*dpkg strangles sandisk's 4gb microsd flash memory with a doohicky mouse cord
00:20<jake>i went to sleep yesterday ... just woke up
00:21<Supaplex>prove it ;)
00:22<jake>adding "nvidia" in /etc/modules did nothing and when i press tab after typing nv at # all i get in auto complte is
00:23<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
00:23<Supaplex>you don't have to add it by hand, afaik.
00:23<jake>!nvidia one-liner
00:23<dpkg>rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
00:24<enouf>Supaplex: i think he used .run or envy originally
00:24<jake>tell me if this page is enuf
00:24<enouf>oh yeah , that
00:24<jake>i ve done everything written on this page
00:24<enouf>and i told him, i don't really know
00:25<jake>and it said next time i reboot i will see nvidia logo but no
00:25<enouf>but, i did suggest wiki,, and told him about the factoids
00:26<jake>/etc/modules are not to be hand written?
00:26<enouf>i explained how that works
00:26<enouf>it's ok
00:26<jake>ya i got that
00:27<jake>i know now how it works but how it gets modified is still a mystery to me
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00:29<jake>i read that after every such modification i dont need to reboot... how will it get initialised?
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00:29<jake>without rebooting?
00:29<Supaplex>modprobe for the win.
00:29<dpkg>You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>.
00:30<Supaplex>you should be able to modprobe and modprobe -r at will.
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00:31<dpkg><mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it.
00:34<jake>i can read as much as i can but just i cant tolerate this 640x480 interlaced screen... my eyes are bleeding
00:34<jake>how do i make sure that nvidia was installed properly
00:35<enouf>are you running Etch? or Lenny? or a mix?
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00:36<Supaplex>atwh vehe uoy nedo os raf? er, I mean, what have you done so far? :)
00:36<enouf>lsmod | grep nvidia
00:37*enouf gets ready to show him the run factoid to get em off our backs :-P .. jake , you realize that the URL you followed was written ~ the time of Sarge? possibly 2-3 years ago
00:38<enouf>even though it's looks well written and simple
00:38<enouf>notice how he mentions 2.4 and/or 2.6 kernels, and how xserver-xorg is only in unstable
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00:39<jake>but i have 2.6 only
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00:39<Supaplex>there are no 2.4 kernels in etch
00:39<enouf>we all do ;-) well most of us, Etch has no 2.4 support
00:39<enouf>and they refer to Xfree86 ;-)
00:40<Supaplex>granted, someone somewhere made their own 2.4 kernel, but I'm not interested in their results. :)
00:40<enouf>oh, they do exist, in full force, see ##kernel ;-)
00:40<enouf>erm, wrong server
00:41<enouf>2.{6.{26-{rc6,rc5-mm3},25.7,24.7,23.17,22.19,16.60},4.{36.6,35.5,34.6,33.7},2.{27-rc2,26}} | Mailing list:
00:41<Supaplex>yay 2.2 kernel!
00:41<Supaplex>those were the days.
00:41<jake>ok how will i know what to do about my display and my sound initialisation without looking like a looser :(
00:42<enouf>wow, 2.6.16 got to .60? O_o
00:42<enouf>i think i have .16.3 here :-P
00:42<jake>i have 2.6.18-6-amd64
00:42<enouf>jake: pastebin your lspci output, and output of lsmod | grep nvidia
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00:42<jake>ok i can do that
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00:43<Supaplex>wtf? load is 0.05 (dual cpu), pstree shows ├─cron───22*[cron───sh───sh───run-parts───find───updatedb─┬─frcode]
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00:44<Supaplex>only 22 instances? :P
00:44<enouf>jake: just note; we can help you better if you tell us explicit error messages and all minute details of every step, specifics, get it?
00:44<jake>i can follow everything and anything
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00:45<jake> for lsmod
00:45<enouf>jake: that's onboard graphics right? 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51G [GeForce 6100] (rev a2
00:46<jake>yaya onboard
00:46<enouf>jake: show me here output of cat /proc/cmdline
00:46<jake>939 i think
00:46<Supaplex>humm. find is stuck at nfs_wait_schedule.
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00:47<jake>root=/dev/sda3 ro
00:47<enouf>ah crap, nforce2?
00:47<enouf>jake: ok
00:47<enouf>well, the module is loaded (nvidia)
00:48<jake>oh /proc/cmdline is for checking which modules are loaded?
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00:48<Supaplex>nope. /proc/cmdline is what the kernel was booted with
00:49<jake>ok no thats the hd
00:49<jake>ya go it
00:49<jake>ya mount point as /
00:50<jake>whats with nforce2 ?
00:50<enouf>jake: i asked about /proc/cmdline because many times people boot with special kernel parameters that could really mess things up
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00:50<enouf>nothing w/nforce2 except comments from kern devs in the source code :-P
00:50<Supaplex>does ipv6 rely on arp?
00:51<jake>i really want to learn all this
00:51<enouf>jake: have you tried #debian on ? Many of those people have used the nvidia 3D drivers, no guarantees, buit that's a big channel as well
00:52<jake>but it'll again take that much time... :(
00:52<enouf>jake: i can point you at many many good reads, but they're not nvidia 3d driver related :-0
00:52<enouf>no, i'm there
00:52<jake>hey i just want my screen resolution right now
00:53<enouf>and you can outline what you've done so far
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00:53<enouf>dude, i NEVER used those things man .. i know what you want. == want to know what i want?
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00:54<enouf>!any idea
00:54<dpkg>Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of rutabagas, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 rabid weasels. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours!
00:54<jake>i haven't done much just apt-get update
00:54<enouf>see above :-P
00:54<enouf>!debian mantra
00:54<dpkg>i heard debian mantra is "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade"
00:55<jake>ya atleast i know that much... without that i was so depressed i couldn't even install a software
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00:55<enouf>jake: i'm currently on 3 servers and in like 10 channels - so going there AS WELL won'y hurt
00:56<enouf>!tell jake -about grounding
00:56<jake>i'll do anything if it can provide solutions
00:56<enouf>!tell jake -about msg the bot
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00:57<enouf>jake: you'll get it son, it comes with some time and a lot of reading and some frustation ;-)
00:57<jake>ya i guess
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00:58<jake>u want me to read something? or goto a channel?
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00:59<enouf>jake: go over to freenode
01:00<jake>ok and #debian
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01:00<enouf>Bookmark any URLs, come back, read later, etc
01:00<enouf>jake: the bot is there as well as here
01:02<enouf>jake: you say something like ; i'm new to linux, but for the life of me i can't get these silly nvidia 3d drivers to work (o)
01:02<enouf>jake: you say something like ; i'm new to linux, but for the life of me i can't get these silly nvidia 3d drivers to work (i'm stuck in 640x460 mode) .. lsmod shows nvidia is loaded, here's my lspci output .. yadda yadda
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01:03<enouf>jake: pastebin output of; grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
01:03<amorphous>morning all
01:04<enouf>jake: you can copy and paste what i wrote for all i care ;-)
01:04<jake>jake:/home/jake# grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
01:04<jake>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/
01:04<jake>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/
01:04<jake>(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/
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01:05<amorphous>there a reason for me having no sound, no /proc/asound and alsa-conf not working in a new etch install?
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01:07<gsimmons>!tell amorphous -about alsa install
01:07<jake>i guess i should have used net paste
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01:09<amorphous>gsimmons, sorry - should have said - i have alsa installed, but get 'no such device' on running alsamixer
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01:10<amorphous>and lsmod|grep snd shows nothing gsimmons
01:10<gsimmons>amorphous: Which sound device do you have?
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01:11<amorphous>gsimmons, lspci says: Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio
01:11<enouf>jake: ok, i 've been over there - waiting for you
01:11<jake>ya i have joined freenode
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01:12<amorphous>gsimmons, running etch, should i use backports to reinstall alsa?
01:12<enouf>amorphous: that's usually snd-intel-hda IINM
01:12<enouf>amorphous: that's usually snd-hda-intel ?
01:12<enouf>!alsa checklist
01:12<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation.
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01:13<amorphous>enouf, gsimmons yeah, i seen that, but couldn't get it to intall
01:13<enouf>well jake - do you see? nv is being used, not nvidia
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01:13<amorphous>ok - will do enouf
01:13<jake>oh ya
01:13<jake>should i edit that
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01:14<enouf>huh? jake ?
01:14<enouf>edit what?
01:14<jake>but with nv it should atleast give me 1024
01:14<jake>oh i m sorry
01:14<enouf>!tell jake -about drxx
01:14<gsimmons>amorphous: You'll need ALSA 1.0.13 for MCP61 support (Etch's 2.6.18 kernel has 1.0.12rc1). You can either create an 'alsa-modules-*' package for your current kernel (via module-assistant), or install an updated (backported) kernel image from either or etchandahalf.
01:14<amorphous>enouf, i am a member of audio, but alsaconf still complains 'no such device'
01:15<jm_>you need newer kernel
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01:15<amorphous>jm_, me?
01:16<jake>enouf, i have done #dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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01:16<jake>and all it does is changes displaydepth back to 24
01:16<amorphous>gsimmons, how new do i go to stay stable? or is backports pretty stable all 'round?
01:16<enouf>jake: well, are you selecting nvidia?
01:16<jake>which is advised to be nanoed to 16
01:16<jm_>amorphous: yup
01:16<enouf>jake: i told you - be specific
01:17<jake>enouf, ya i'll tell u... one sec
01:18<gsimmons>amorphous: I believe 2.6.24 kernel images are available from both sources (bpo, etchnhalf). Otherwise you can compile an 'alsa-modules-*' package via module-assistant, should you want to remain on 2.6.18. Either method will provide you with the necessary ALSA support for your sound chipset.
01:19<enouf>amorphous: using bpo (or backporting your own as gsimmons explains) is more stable than going fully to testing/lenny
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01:19<jake>enouf, on some page i can find at the moment i read that this kindof display problems happen in etch when in xorg the displaydepth is set to 24 so the page said nano /etc/X11/xorg.cfg
01:19<jake>and change DisplayDepth 24 to DisplayDepth 16
01:20<enouf>jake: that would be; nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
01:20<jake>which i did and noothing happened
01:20<jake>yaya that
01:20<enouf>jake: but us nvidia selected? you never answered
01:20<jake>it never asked me to select nvidia
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01:20<jake>how do u do that
01:21<jake>on that page it was written when asked select nvidia and not nv
01:21<jake>but it never asked
01:21<enouf>jake: in drxx, you select the Driver you want and Xorg Modules you want to load
01:22<enouf>jake: do as root; dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
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01:22<jake>enouf, oh i did phigh there
01:22<jm_>jake: if you're using lenny with latest packages it won't ask about it anymore
01:22<enouf>Does anyone know if he needs libgl1-mesa-* and such?
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01:23<jake>enouf, it says plow is not installed
01:23<enouf>jm_: he's supposedly using only Etch and 2.6.18-6-amd64
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01:23<jm_>enouf: ohh I shall shut up then
01:23<enouf>jake: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
01:23<enouf>jake: pastebin your cat /etc/apt/sources.list
01:23<jake>jm_, no... etch here
01:24<jake>ya i'll do that
01:24<enouf>jm_: no don't ;-) i never used the 3d drivers
01:24<jm_>enouf: he needs nvidia-glx for that
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01:25<tenzind>hi .. how can i configure the "right mouse Button" on a MacBook running Debian?
01:25<enouf>jm_: rigjt - i think he did the nvidia one-liner , but i don't l know
01:25<gsimmons>!tell tenzind -about macbook
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01:25<enouf>tenzind: xmodmap -pp ? for output
01:26<enouf>jake: ok, nano that file, comment out the cdrom lines
01:27<enouf>jake: tack on contrib non-free to line #11
01:27<enouf>yes, both
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01:28<enouf>you won't use cdrom anymore, it's old pkgs now ... well ..
01:28<jake>ya ok
01:28<jake>anyways it gives error when i update
01:29<enouf>comment out lines 13 and 14 UNLESS that site appears hereh'
01:29<dpkg>it has been said that debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or
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01:29<enouf>i know it errors - that's why i told you to do it too
01:30<enouf>jake: lines 8 and 10 need a non-free tacked on to each one
01:30<enouf>the security lines
01:31<jake>non-free contrib?
01:31<enouf>jake: show me here output of dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1
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01:31<enouf>jake: it usually goes "main contrib non-free"
01:32<enouf>!tell jake -about contrib
01:32<jake>just give me a min
01:32<enouf>!tell jake -about non-free
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01:32<enouf>take your time
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01:35<amorphous>gsimmons, enouf - sorry to be pita, but just to check - is 'apt-get -t etch-backports install linux-source-2.6.24' about the cut of it (for sound drivers)?
01:35<enouf>amorphous: not linux-source, but linux-image-VERSION
01:36<amorphous>enouf, gald i checked :!
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01:36<amorphous>enouf, thanks :)
01:36<enouf>amorphous: you added the repos to sources.list, yes?
01:37<enouf>ok, and you run apt-get update .. then you can install
01:37<enouf>you can use apt-cache search linux-image to see what's available
01:39<amorphous>enouf, another fine line - amd64 is available... that'll suit me!!!
01:39<jake>enouf, sources.list now
01:39<enouf>amorphous: you won't need linux-source-version except if you perhaps want to build your own kernel from debian sources, you may at one time want "linux-headers-version" to build other shit, such as if you decided to backport those alsa-modules-pkg .. but module-assistant might have pulled in -headers- for you
01:40<jake>output: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
01:40<jake>enouf, for dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1
01:41<jake>it means its there right?
01:41<amorphous>blimey! that was easy - i think i have a new kernel! (well, but for a restart, i presume...)
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01:42<enouf>jake: did you verify that .. nm, i just did, listen
01:42<jake>should i apt-get update and dpkg-reconfigure again
01:42<jake>ya ?
01:42<amorphous>enouf, thanks again - i'm gonna disappear fr a min :)
01:43<enouf>jake: remove lines 2 4 8 and 9 completely
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01:43<enouf>jake: you've been using unofficial repos
01:43<jake>from this new sources.list i sent u
01:43<jake>oh k
01:43<enouf>jake: also, add this, just below line 6; deb-src etch main non-free contrib
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01:47<jake>is it ok now?
01:48<enouf>jake: one sec
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01:50<enouf>jake: much - now doesn't that look much nicer? ;-0 you can always add some other mirrors, just choose them from the official mirror list dpkg the bot showed you - you might want some debian-multimedia ones too - but that's for another day
01:52<jake>neat. but aren't all mirrors the same? i mean do they have different updates?
01:52<jake>oh ok different mirrors for different purpose
01:55<jake>and what do i do for my screen res
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01:56<enouf>jake: most of all the official ones are the same, and the repos are HUGE with 10s of thousands of pkgs, still ... as you've already seen, some software people want isn;'t in the repos
01:56<enouf>jake: apt-get update
01:56<jake>did already
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01:56<jake>after nanoing the sources.list
01:57<enouf>that last time?
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01:58<enouf>jake: which nvidia factoid did you follow? nvidia? or nvidia one-liner? none? bioth?
01:58<jake>after i sent u the link for sources.list
01:58<jake>after that
01:58<jake>i'll do it again to avoid confusion
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02:00<jake>about nvidia i just installed it by looking at that old page
02:00<jake>the page i sent u the link for
02:00<jake>that kernel 2.4 one
02:01<enouf><jake> enouf, oh i did phigh there <-- who told you to do/try -phigh ?
02:01<jake>i was googling yesterday
02:01<enouf>jake: ok .. so, you never followed the factoid? ok, do this;
02:01<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
02:02<enouf>so, see the wiki, follow directions, step by step
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02:02<enouf>amorphous: \o/
02:03<amorphous>hey enouf - soundcard works :) thanks.
02:03<enouf>amorphous: thank gsimmons and jm_ .. i never knew you needed a newer version than what's in etch ;-)
02:04<enouf>nice to hear though
02:04<amorphous>enouf, but i'm getting no sound using finetune (streaming)
02:04<enouf>amorphous: well maybe do the checklist now again
02:05<amorphous>yeah, thanks from here to jm_ gsimmons ... that was easier than i thight by a rediculous amount!
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02:05<enouf>amorphous: make sure alsa, alsa-oss, alsa-utils are all installed and checkout alsamixer settings
02:06<enouf>amorphous: dpkg -l alsa* | grep ^.i will show you installed alsa pkgs
02:07<amorphous>enouf, i think i've done all that, it's only in finetune. lastfm/youtube are ok. can you get music from here:
02:07<enouf>!tell amorphous -about grounding
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02:07<enouf>amorphous: just in case you really want to read and learn rather than being spoon fed ;-)
02:08<enouf>amorphous: i never tried
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02:09<enouf>amorphous: that's all ShockTheMonkey FlashCrap ;-)
02:09<enouf><param name="movie" value="wii_interface_jewelcase_v10.swf"
02:10<amorphous>enouf, but does it work? do you get sound?
02:10<amorphous>Aaahh... so it's the swf stuff i need to head for...
02:10<enouf>amorphous: pretty sure only like mozilla/firefox/iceweasel plugins handle that SWF crap - mplayer can handle FLV files fine thoiugh
02:10<amorphous>thanks again enouf
02:10<enouf>!flash non-free
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02:11<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
02:11<amorphous>enouf, i have it installed, just got no sound. I'm not that bad :/
02:11<dpkg>nspluginwrapper is, like, a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with <Adobe Flash> and a few others. Debian packages are in the <contrib> archive for lenny and later; ask me about <> for etch packages.
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02:12<enouf>depends if you're using amd64 arch or not
02:12<enouf>amorphous: file /bin/ls says?
02:12<enouf>amorphous: cat /proc/version says
02:13<amorphous>i am using amd64...
02:13<enouf>show me; answer me
02:13<enouf>or don't
02:14<amorphous>ls = Desktop
02:14<amorphous>version says permission denied! i am root!
02:14<noob>where syslog?
02:15<amorphous>enouf - sorry, was removing my flashplugin-nonfree - was gonna try an open one
02:16<dpkg>somebody said syslog was the unix facility for logging the messages that programs produce.
02:16<enouf>in /var/log
02:17<enouf>where all the other ones are too
02:17<amorphous>enouf: ahh... Linux version 2.6.24-1-amd64 (Debian 2.6.24-7~bpo40+1) ( (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Thu Jun 5 08:06:01 UTC 2008
02:17<enouf>well almost all
02:17<enouf>amorphous: now the file command
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02:18<amorphous>enouf, but i can find no flash 64 apps...
02:18<amorphous>and what would i run the file command on?
02:18<enouf><enouf> amorphous: file /bin/ls says?
02:18<amorphous>(not wanting to appear ignorant....
02:19<jm_>dpkg --print-architecture
02:19<dpkg>jm_: I don't know, could you explain it?
02:19<amorphous>---sorry - was that the file command?
02:19<enouf><enouf> amorphous: "file /bin/ls" says?
02:19<jm_>yes, "file" is a command
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02:19<amorphous>Ah, sorry! /bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped
02:20<enouf>ok, you are using amd64 arch - it is very possible to use 32bit OS with 64bit kernels ... ok, that's cleared up
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02:21<enouf>so, you likely need a chroot, or nspluginwrapper
02:21<amorphous>enouf, are you saying i should use 32bit?
02:22<enouf>hehe .. for one application? it's not up to me
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02:22<enouf>i personally boycott all swf Flash crap ... but that's my choice
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02:23<amorphous>enouf, not sure i undersand... and i dont blame you - but it's what the guy is after... he's *needs* finetune.
02:24<enouf>oh? you have a guy? :-P
02:24<amorphous>am trying to sp[read the word
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02:24<enouf>amorphous: why would you presume i know your situation?
02:25<amorphous>have got a few people onto ubuntu/debian, and they all love it
02:25<amorphous>enouf, was i presuming?
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02:25<amorphous>was just trying to explain my predicament, enouf
02:25<enouf>sure - but we all do it now and then
02:25<enouf>so no worries
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02:26<enouf>amorphous: no need to explain to me ;-) .. no worries
02:26<amorphous>sorry, didn't mean to presume... was just after getting his swf stuff going so i can give him something stable to decorate his screen...
02:26<enouf>just details and errors when we're tshooting
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02:26<amorphous>improve the poor blokes life a little ;)
02:27<enouf>ok, so, your options are?
02:27<amorphous>enouf, to get swf going - i noticed the file /bin/ls was a different kernel... is that my problem?
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02:28<amorphous>(or rather.... could that be... my problem?
02:28<enouf>amorphous: file /bin/ls is not your kernel version info
02:28<jm_>your main problem is adobe are too lame to prepare 64bit flash plugin for Linux for more than a year
02:28<enouf>no, nothing wrong - except
02:28<enouf>that 64bit Flash is non-existant
02:29<amorphous>so is there a way round? 32bit firefox, maybe?
02:29<jm_><enouf> so, you likely need a chroot, or nspluginwrapper
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02:30<enouf>perhaps - again, i only know of what i see and hear others doing .. i don't personally know for sure
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02:31<enouf>right .. that's all i know
02:31<enouf>or ..maybe gnash or something - again, i can't speak for it though - never used it
02:31<enouf>thanks jm_
02:32<amorphous>enouf, ok - just reading up on nspluginwrapper now.. appreciate help & handholding.... you probably saved me a full day of pain & frustration... :)
02:32<enouf>amorphous: i know there's an #debian-amd64 channel on freenode, and maybe here on as well - might be devel channels though onlu
02:33<enouf>amorphous: welcome - read read read ;-)
02:33<amorphous>ok. thanks enouf ... i'll go check it out ;)
02:35<enouf>amorphous: you can also "/msg the bot" and even hit the mailing lists, (debian-user + debian-amd64 likely) etc ... check out the and see wiki,
02:36<enouf>er (no comma)
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02:36<jake>enouf, i think i'll stick with 2d for now
02:37<jake>3d has alot of issues
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02:38<enouf>jake: sure - well, can you get above 640x480 ?
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02:38<jake>thats the problem
02:38<jake>not even 800x640
02:38<jake>even reading is a pain
02:39<jm_>jake: paste your xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log on some paste site
02:39<enouf>jake: remove the nvidia stuff, then dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
02:39<enouf>ok, wait then
02:39<enouf>follow jm_ 's lead
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02:41<jake>where is xorg.0.log ? i forgot
02:41<jm_>ok you're still using nv driver
02:41<jm_>!x logfile
02:42<jm_>!debug x
02:42<dpkg>methinks debug x is "grep '(EE)' /var/log/XFree86.0.log" or "grep '(EE)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
02:43<enouf>from earlier jm_ concerning jake
02:44<jake>hey this Xorg.0.log is pretty huge
02:45<jm_>yes use
02:45<jake>no.. for display
02:45<jake>how do i copy it
02:45<jm_>users of lenny or newer will appreciate pastebinit
02:45<jake>cat covers only half
02:45<jm_>see above, no need to cat anything
02:46<jake>grep EE?
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02:46<jm_>no, the pastebin url
02:46<jake>grep (EE) /var/log/Xorg.).log?
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02:51<jm_>H107C/F/H/T: Using default hsync range of 28.00-33.00 kHz - that sounds way too low
02:51<jm_>what kind of monitor is this?
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02:52<jake>jm_, what?
02:52<jm_>jake: what what?
02:53<lfsir>hi all, does anyone aware or want to install debian under hurcules?
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02:55<jake>jm_, what kinda monitor. icant really understand
02:55<jake>what should i tell u
02:55<jm_>jake: make, model, specs
02:56<jake>1 min
02:57<jm_>lfsir: why would you?
02:58<jm_>we installed Debian s390 port unde rhercules in the past
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02:58<jake>philips 107c6
02:58<jake>17 inch
02:59<jake>still googling
02:59<jake>will tell u more
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03:00<lfsir>jm_: I want to install it on hurcules. I find, so i want to try it.
03:00<jm_>lfsir: so do it, what's stopping you?
03:00<lfsir>but i am in windows platform. something difficult to conquer.
03:01<jake>jm_, i'll get rid of a lil work and come back with more info. thanks
03:01<lfsir>jm_: okey, i will try it. thanks. i will post my problem later.
03:02<lfsir>jm_: one more thing, does here have debian/s390 chat channel?
03:03<dpkg>rumour has it, s390 is an IBM mainframe architecture, or now known as z series, or
03:03<jm_>lfsir: probably best to ask on the mailing list - there is not many people who use it
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03:05<lfsir>thans again to jm_ & dpkg. I will try.
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03:24<jm_>jake: ok you will need to edit xorg.conf and manually specify those values
03:26<jake>i hope it doesn't blow up anything
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03:26<enouf>jm_: hrm .. looking over his Xorg.0.log and comparing to mine (older 32MB AGP tnt2pro card) he doesn't have GLcore loading -- ahh, but that seems to be a major issue the Hsync and VRefresh values
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03:29<enouf>i was going to say, i wonder what xrandr would output ..
03:29<enouf>what's the main cause of that? bad VGA BIOS and EDID info?
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03:30<jm_>jake: see above URL
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03:31<jake>the lines are not already there... u want me to add those
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03:33<enouf>jake: so whenever you've been doing the drxx, you haven't been entering any specific Horizontal/Vertical Sync ranges?
03:34<jake>oh that was the problem
03:34<enouf>restart X, that's it
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03:34<jake>it was all greek to me ;P
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03:35<enouf>drxx clearly tells you too (well it asks, but ok) .. i haven't had to do a drxx in a while now
03:35<jake>restart X
03:36<enouf>ctrl-alt-backspace == quick and dirty
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03:36<enouf>but you shoould .. oh nm ;-)
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03:39<jake>hey everything is cool now
03:39<jake>just i can see my mouse
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03:41<jake>what to do for mouse now?
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03:43<jake>jm_, enouf thanks
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03:44<jake>oh i i typed it wrong... i cannot see my mouse
03:44<jake>should i reboot for that?
03:44<enouf>jake: drxx, and choose correct mouse settings and type
03:44<enouf>no, stop rebooting
03:45<jake>ok heh
03:45<enouf>jake: is that a usb mouse or ps/2 ?
03:46<enouf>jake: well your xorg.conf says ps/2 ..
03:46<jake>but i have a converter if thats gonna be a problem
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03:46<enouf>jake: cat /dev/input/mice
03:46<jake>no but i have connected it as usb
03:46<enouf>then move mouse, then ctrl-c
03:46<enouf>i use a convertor - perfect
03:46<jake>its gonna be difficult without the mouse
03:47<enouf>what is?
03:47<jake>u want me to paste /dev/input/mice
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03:48<jake>this is funny
03:49<jake>its giving me some ascii chars on movement
03:49<enouf>!usb mouse test
03:49<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, usb mouse test is "cat /dev/input/mice", wiggle it. does it print crap?
03:50<enouf>wtf happend to !usbmouse ??? dpkg lists it as a listval --> [dpkg] Factoid search of '/dev/input/mice' by value (8): 2.6 mouse ;; mknod ;; /dev/input/mice ;; 2.6 ps2 ;; mousedev ;; psaux ;; usb mouse test ;; usbmouse.
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03:51<enouf>!literal usbmouse
03:51<dpkg>"usbmouse" is "[1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. If you are using udev or devfs, skip to [5]. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary."
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03:52<jake>but till now i had this mouse arrow... i mean i can still click around but without seeing it
03:52<jake>i just cant see the arrow
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03:53<enouf>jake: if you still have issues, and are not using the usb->ps/2 converter , select "ExplorerPS/2" instead of what you have now "ImPS/2"
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03:54<enouf>jake: as root; update-alternatives x-cursor-theme
03:54<noob>warning: Need basic cursor movement capability, using vt100
03:54<noob>warning: Authentication failed.
03:54<enouf>jake: as root; update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme
03:55<enouf>last was a correction
03:55<jake>it says "nothing to configure?
03:56<noob> /msg dpkg no public key
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03:56<enouf>jake: aptitude install xserver-xorg-core xcursor-themes
03:58<jake>ok did
03:58<jake>and then i did --configure
03:58<jake>it gives me 5 options
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03:59<jake>but still no mouse cursor
03:59<enouf>jake: which DM are you using?
04:00<dpkg>DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM.
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04:00<jake>i think its gdm
04:00<jake>coz when i type gdm it says
04:00<enouf>jake: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
04:00<enouf>you will lose X and everything and come back
04:00<jake>already running
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04:03<jake>still the same
04:03<jake>and i got stuck in tty1 at #
04:04<jake>alt+cntrl+f7 was blank
04:04<jake>i had to login at tty1
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04:04<jake>and typed gdm at #
04:04<jake>then came back but still cant see my mouse
04:04<enouf>jake: might want to add==> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" <==to mouse section .. also choose "GLcore" (under Modules to load for X) if available when you do drxx again .. and change back to 24bpp
04:05<enouf>well, i have no idea of having no cursor - maybe it's set to be transparency ?
04:05<enouf>your DE THeme
04:05<jake>no i tried 3 themes
04:06<jake>in that -- configure command
04:06<enouf>try again, and try update-alternative --config x-[TAB][TAB]
04:06<jake>hey this is one more problem
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04:06<jake>after writing apt-get i (tab)
04:06<jake>it should show me or autocomplete install
04:07<jake>but that only happens when i have $
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04:07<jake>and not in #
04:07<enouf>right, that's up to your ~/.bashrc
04:07<jake>in hash after apt-get install (tab)
04:07<jake>it onlly beeps
04:07<enouf>if you copy that section over to your /root/.bashrc that'll do it
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04:08<jake>wow just by setting up ur desktop u can learn all the coding logic
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04:10<enouf>jake: see that
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04:10<jake>just trying to get my mouse over this url ;P
04:11<enouf>jake: try Shift+NumLock
04:11<enouf>does that free it up?
04:11<jake>i pressed
04:11<enouf>jake: you can cycle through X resolutions using CTRL-ALT-+/-
04:11<jake>what should happen?
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04:12<enouf>that turns your keypad into mouse moving buttons
04:12<jake>ya that is happening
04:12<enouf>do it again to revert
04:12<jake>ya i m back to 1024x786
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04:13<jake>but that was alt-ctl-+/-
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04:13<jake>with numlock?
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04:13<jake>i m able to move my mouse with the mouse too
04:13<jake>i just cant see it
04:13<enouf>no, Shift+NumLock to toggle Keypad mouse movements
04:14<enouf>jake: X resolutions using CTRL-ALT-+/-
04:14<jake>ya resolution
04:14<enouf>did you install compiz or something?
04:14<enouf>which DE are you using GNOME? KDE?
04:14<jake>not manually
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04:15<jake>but i did install kopete
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04:15<enouf>try gnome-control-center ,.. look for mouse settings i guess
04:15<enouf>try gconf and gconf2 .. i never used gnome
04:16<jake>oh u use kde?
04:16<enouf>try gnome-<TAB><TAB> as well for many others
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04:16<jake>where is gnome control centre supposed to be?
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04:17<enouf>jake: actually, for GUI browsing and irc, i have some kde stuff and kwin, but mostly i'm in xterm
04:17<enouf>try whereis gnome-control-center
04:19<jake>ya came
04:19<jake>in that?
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04:25<jake>enouf, thanku so so so much.
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04:27<enouf>jake: no prob
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04:28<jake>what can i do for this "usb" mouse?
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04:31<jake>enouf> jake: might want to add==> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" <==to mouse section .. also choose "GLcore" (under Modules to load for X) if available when you do drxx again .. and change back to 24bpp
04:31<enouf>you can reconfigure X and select Explorer over imps2 , or use an adapter to ps/2 like i do .. maybe that "Emulate3Buttons" option is messing you up .. no idea .. how's your DPI ?
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04:33<jake>sorry that went over my head
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04:33<enouf>jake: missing cursor, i just don;t know man
04:33<jake>no prob
04:33<jake>i should try a reboot
04:34<Stack>dpkg --install cursor_on_3ButtonMouse
04:34<dpkg>Stack: I don't know, could you explain it?
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04:34<jake>thats a command i should try? Stack ?
04:35<Stack>no. it's my crazy joke
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04:36<jake>cannot access archive
04:37<jake>error processing cursor_on-3ButtonMouse (--install)
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04:38<Stack> :-)
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04:40<themill>jake: where's this "cursor_on_3ButtonMouse" package from? That's not a debian package.
04:41<Stack>THIS is a joke
04:41<enouf>themill: it's a bad joke started by Stack , ignore
04:41<jake>oh its actually a joke
04:42<themill>dpkg: annoy bob2
04:42<dpkg>Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!!
04:42*themill wanders off....
04:43<jake>what was that glcore u were telling me about
04:43<enouf>themill: though jake is really somehow missing his cursor ,...long story, but i had him install xcursor-themes, run update-alternatives --config bla .. no help so it seems
04:43<jake>can that fix problem
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04:50<jake>is it true that if i mess with the monitor frequencies i can damage my monitor?
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04:53<zakame>dpkg: mess me up
04:53<dpkg>zakame: bugger all, i dunno
04:53<jm_>jake: unlikely
04:54<Stack>how know how view writen or readen data on/from hard disk online?
04:54<jm_>Stack: and in english?
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04:54<jake>ok coz 7-8 years back my uncle damaged his
04:55<jm_>maybe he shmashed it in anger when it didn't display a picture
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04:55<Stack>jm_: :-) I want to watch writen data to my hard drive
04:55<jm_>Stack: please be more specific
04:57<alle>hi, I have a hard question (that will be for me), there is a way to mount a usb storage, like usb pen that will be removed without mounting?
04:58<alle>sorry /umounting
04:58<jake>that is automatic i think
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04:58<jm_>alle: you can remove it without unmounting, try usbmount package -- and make sure you know what you're doing or your data may be lost
04:58<themill>alle: it's best not to do that. But you can mount it with the sync option to at least reduce the amount of data loss.
04:59<Stack>jm_: How to see what program, where (in what file) writes down data now/
04:59<themill>Stack: you can use strace or lsof
04:59<jm_>Stack: ahh block_dump or blktrace
04:59<jm_>Stack: or strace for specific PID
04:59<Stack>thx all!
05:00<jm_>or was that block_debug? it's in kernel docs
05:00<alle>themill: the problem is not the data loss, but the garbage file created.
05:00<jm_>yeah it's block_dump
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05:03<alle>in my situation, i have some pubblic pc (now M$ w2k) thath I want to make debian machines, but the users have to use usb.
05:03<jm_>you can call sync every now and then from cron
05:04<jm_>or use autofs
05:04<jm_>with a low timeout
05:04<alle>they are not skilled and forget to umount
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05:06<alle>with autofs i can mount&umount at every access?
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05:07<alle>or somethink like this?
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05:10<alle>ok i will try autofs
05:10<alle>thank you
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05:21<jake>hey enouf
05:21<jake>reboot fixed that mouse pointer problem
05:21<jake>m$ techniques work sometimes
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05:23<enouf>that doesn't mean you had to reboot, just you maybe likely corrupted some modules when messing with other things, like the ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X may have been the zinger that brought on the butt munch
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05:26<jake>but all these shortcuts are pretty cool
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05:33<enouf>jake: the /etc/init.d/<script-name> stop|start|restart|force-reload is the correct way to restart a service, X is one of those that when a DM is installed, it's best to restart the DM, the ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't not allow processes to end cleanly, and cleanup any tmp or .lock files after themselves
05:34<Stack> :-)
05:34<jake>hey we dont have open arena on debian?
05:35<enouf>open urea? what?
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05:35<jake>openarena. quake3arena for linux
05:35<enouf>i'm in a funky mood now, i just want to smash your computer :-P
05:36<gsimmons>!info openarena
05:36<dpkg>openarena: (A fast-paced 3D first-person shooter), section games, is optional. Version: 0.7.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 682 kB, Installed size: 1612 kB
05:36<enouf>he's on etch though
05:36<gsimmons>jake: It's also available as an Etch backport.
05:37<enouf>there ya go
05:37<jake>so we CAN play
05:37<jake>but its not on apt-get
05:37<jake>backport .
05:37<gsimmons>!tell jake -about
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05:38<jake>mow things are looking a lil clearer
05:38<jake>so thats what mirrors are for
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05:40<jake>so if i use a mirror not authorised by debian that might contain apt-get packages that can damage my sys... portal to the virus world
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05:52<tzafrir_laptop>How do I search in aptitude for everything in a certain category?
05:52<tzafrir_laptop>aptitude search '~Gadmin::monitoring'
05:52<tzafrir_laptop>This used to work for me, I believe
05:52<tzafrir_laptop>but now just returns nothing
05:53<tzafrir_laptop>And the man page for aptitude just refers me to the not-so-clear PDF manual
05:53<OdyX>tzafrir_laptop: works for me..
05:53<OdyX>are you sure that your base is uptodate ?
05:54<tzafrir_laptop>everything else works
05:54<enouf>tzafrir_laptop: there's also a pkg, called aptitude-doc-CC , where CC == Country code
05:54<tzafrir_laptop>So where is the tags information stored?
05:54<enouf>tzafrir_laptop: debian-reference pkg may also help
05:55<jm_>tzafrir_laptop: man debtags
05:55<enouf>!why not aptitude
05:55<dpkg>Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source" and "apt-get build-dep".
05:56<jm_>I suggest you update your debtags database before complaining about aptitude
05:56<tzafrir_laptop>nothing in /var/lib/debtags , indeed
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05:57<enouf>although, it's issues with apt and itself not playing nice are likely resolved since etch
05:57<tzafrir_laptop>(strace -estat to the rescue)
05:57<tzafrir_laptop>(the system is Lenny)
05:57<tzafrir_laptop>enouf, does apt-get have a syntax to query by tags?
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05:58<enouf>i don't think so, not sure - but i use apt-get solely, and i don't like those tags at all - too many categories, too confusing, nothing is where i think it would be
05:59<tzafrir_laptop>ok, debtags was not installed. Maybe I remembered this from a different system in which it was installed
05:59<themill>enouf: it's tagging not categorisation. When you understand the difference, you start to understand the power and why they are useful.
05:59<enouf>(almost everything i ever tried looking for always took me atleast 3 or 4 diff tags to get the correct one)
06:00<enouf>themill: nah, that's like saying the menus in gnome and kde have a higher purpose
06:00<tzafrir_laptop>enouf, I do use 'apt-get install -f', as 'aptitude install -f' normally has some strange ideas on resolving situations
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06:01<themill>enouf: the menus are categories not tags. There's a big difference. But as you said, it's reliant on the tags being good. Many packages are still under-tagged.
06:03<tzafrir_laptop>aptitude search has a more useful format for returning an answer
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06:03<tzafrir_laptop>aptitude install is so overly verbose...
06:04<jake>when updating backports its giving me a GPG error: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
06:04<jake>is it ok
06:04<themill>jake follow the instructions on the website
06:04<enouf>themill: is this an example of tagging?
06:05<jake>ya thats what.. i added the mirror to sources.list then was updating the apt-get and it gave me this error
06:05<tzafrir_laptop>run apt-get update again
06:05<themill>jake: keep reading the instructions then
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06:05<jm_>jake: it's not an error, it's a warning
06:06<jake>ok i'll complete that page first
06:06<enouf>themill: (the 35 categories listed there)
06:06<tzafrir_laptop>it's still a warning you shouldn't live with for long
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06:08<themill>enouf: I'm not sure... never looked at that page before. Is it a many:many relationship (as opposed to a hierarchical category structure where an object can only be in one category)
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06:11<jake>ya ive done everything the page syas
06:11<jake>and it says "broken packages"
06:12<jake>ok i'll install openarena-data now....
06:13<jake>openarena-data doesn't exist
06:13<gsimmons>jake: It's only in testing and unstable. Although you should be able to install this within Etch without issues, as it has no dependencies.
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06:14<enouf>jake: if you used apt-get; do apt-get install -f' , or if aptitude, do 'aptitude install -f
06:14<jake>i dunno... i asked dpkg about openarena and hes asking me if i m on crack
06:14<jake>-f ok
06:15<jake>ya with -f still the same
06:15<enouf>gsimmons: why would a backport have unresolved depends? or is he just looking to install a useful but not needed pkg he found growing on some tree
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06:17<jake>i saw that on sidux does it work on etch?
06:17<azeem>sidux packages don't work on etch, if you mean that
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06:18<gsimmons>enouf: I am not sure, but 'openarena-data' is necessary to make any use of the client.
06:18<enouf>jake: uname -r
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06:19<buffoon_work>is there a possibility to boot iso images directly from grub?
06:19<jake>see this
06:19<enouf>jake: pick any mirror here download the .deb
06:19<enouf>jake: and install using dpkg -i name.deb
06:20<jake>k this is something new
06:20<jake>this is the manual installation right?
06:20<enouf>buffoon_work: no, not with grub 0.97+
06:21<enouf>buffoon_work: not with grub2 yet either - though - they're working on it, and it already does have an emulation boot
06:21<enouf>buffoon_work: see /topic in #grub on
06:22<buffoon_work>enouf, thank you I'll check it out
06:24<enouf>themill: apologies, i got distracted, but i'm not sure either ..
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06:27<tzafrir_laptop>an ISO image as a file on another file system?
06:27<tzafrir_laptop>not likely
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06:30<buffoon_work>but it would be perfect for my job as a System Admin. I could just put ISO Images on a USB Stick. Without wasting time to burn and CD's i could go with that stick to the machines, put it in and boot them
06:30<buffoon_work>and i could copy/burn them directly without wasting space
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06:30<jm_>that's doable with a script similar to grml2iso
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06:31<enouf>yeah, that can be done, even with memdisk
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06:33<jake>enouf, about ur (autocompletion)
06:33<jake>i added its still giving beeps
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06:34<jake>apt-get (tab)(tab) has only "." files
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06:34<jake>cant see install
06:34<jake>and after install no packages
06:35<jake>just beeps on tab
06:35<enouf>jake: what about /bin/<tab><tab>
06:35<jake>ya that works
06:36<jake>100 possibilities
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06:36<enouf>jake: after you added those lines, did you do ". .bashrc" or logout completely and login again/?
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06:37<jake>i 'll do ". .bash"
06:37<enouf>jake: do ". .bashrc"
06:37<enouf>you forgot the rc part
06:37<jake>ok this openarena-data
06:37<enouf>no quotes either
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06:38<jake>chuck i'll try later
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06:38<jake>i'll do bashrc
06:38<jake>. .bashrc
06:38<enouf>ok frank
06:40<jake>whats a .?
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06:42<enouf>jake: . in that case means to 'source' the file; man source ; so "source .bashrc" would be the same
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06:42<maxb>"help ."
06:42<enouf>bah, "help source" i mean
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06:43<maxb>being a shell builtin, it doesn't have a man page
06:43<enouf>it's a bash-builtin
06:43<enouf>look man, it's been a long night .. you early whippersnappers .. :-P
06:43<enouf>i type like a turtle anyway
06:44<jake>ok so i edit any source file and then ". (sourcefile)" for changes to take effect?
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06:45<jake>or is it like a compiler
06:46<enouf>jake: pertaining to rc files mostly yes, but it doesn't work for instance when you add yourself to a new group say
06:46<jake>for modules?
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06:47<enouf>modules are not configuration (run commands = rc) files
06:47<jake>like i m in the audio group but still i have to run alsaconf everytime i dunno why
06:47<enouf>jake: you shouldn't - especially if alsa-utils is installed
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06:48<jm_>make sure you run alsactl store once everything is configured
06:48<enouf>otherwise, alsactl -store should hold themn
06:48<enouf>the thing is, he should not need to anymore
06:48<jake>by modules i meant cfg files that contain module names like /etc/modules?
06:49<jake>ya alsactl
06:49<enouf>no jake
06:49<enouf>!tell jake -about dotfiles
06:50<enouf> <jake> by modules i meant cfg files that contain module names like /etc/modules?
06:50<enouf>[06:44:44] <jake> ya alsactl
06:50<enouf>] <jake> by modules i meant cfg files that contain module names like /etc/modules? <enouf> no jake
06:51*enouf has to run - later all .. good day/eve/whatever ;-)
06:51<jake>ya two diff topics
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06:52<jake>jm_, alsactl store i did
06:52<jake>what file does it modify?
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06:52<jm_>man alsactl
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06:54<jake>thanks alot jm_ really thanks
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07:10<jm_>is anyone here using xmms2 (yes I want yes/no answers)?
07:10<jm_>in Lenny that is
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07:12<jake>jm_, after alsaconf when sound was playing i did alsactl store and did a reboot. now when i open mp3s the rhythmbox popup flashes for a fraction of a second and closes
07:12<jm_>jake: try mpg321
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07:15<jake>jm_, but it was just playing in rhythmbox
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07:16<jake>oh no it was playin in totem and it is totem that shuts down
07:17<jake>and rhythm box is playing but no sound again
07:17<jm_>jake: does it work with mpg321?
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07:18<jake>just installed that
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07:18<jake> i dont see it in sound $ video menu
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07:19<jm_>it's command line tool
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07:20<jake>cant open mpg321... but mp3s are not playing even with vlc
07:21<jake>i know if i do alsaconf again it will run
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07:21<jake>why is it not getting stored
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07:22<jm_>jake: do modules get loaded at all?
07:22<jake>ya see ... again i did alsaconf and everything is working fine
07:22<jm_>blah too late now
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07:23<jake>i dont know how to check that
07:23<jake>but next time i'll reboot again it'll be gone i know
07:23<jm_>cat /proc/asound/cards
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07:23<jake>should i reboot again and check that?
07:24<mrnice`>my girlfriend wants skype on her new secure debian box, how secure is it running skype in a chroot or something?
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07:25<jake>i think skype works with ialib32
07:25<weasel>"how secure is installing a bot-net client and binary root kit in a chroot" :)
07:25<Spitfire>a ver q leo
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07:25<mrnice`>weasel, thats the question :) ok i will install jabber on all her friends pc's :)
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07:27<Spitfire>lo leo
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07:27<themill>weasel: out of curiosity, can you suggest some other cross-platform grandmother-friendly voip system? Openwengo was looking promising but seems to have died.
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07:29<mrnice`>themill, how du u define cross platform?
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07:29<themill>mrnice`: well it needs to be both windows and linux at least.
07:30<mrnice`>themill, i guess there is a windows gnome meeting out there
07:30<mrnice`>themill, u want to use video?
07:30<petemc>install asterisk and use any sip client you want
07:30<mrnice`>themill, one way is standard sip phones +(asteriks?) or use amsn
07:30<jake>jm_, hey the problem is i m using a creative sound card and this motherboard has onboard sound card. so everytime i restart the cat /proc/asound/cards shows nvidia and not ca0106 which is creative
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07:31<themill>mrnice`: last time I looked it didn't handle NAT very well. And yes, video would be nice too. I currently have one windows computer left solely for the purpose of talking to family back home.
07:31<jake>but after alsaconf /asound/cards shows creative
07:31<kcynice>hi, i want to install virtualbox in my debian, but encounter a error like:Makefile:42: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again.. Stop.
07:31<kcynice>how to resolve it?
07:31<mrnice`>themill, much isier u install linux on that maschine, safe time and energy!
07:31<jake>is it not getting stored properly?
07:31<jm_>jake: relatively easy to solve
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07:31<jake>thank god
07:32<Spitfire>hi alber
07:32<themill>mrnice`: not at 17,000km I can't.
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07:32<mrnice`>themill, that would be a nice experiement, letting them boot a netinstaller image and start ssh install :)
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07:33<mrnice`>themill, but for ur nat problem, i had same but forwarding ports worked out
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07:33<mrnice`>themill, if they got a fixed ip, without adsl (dailup), try remote install :P
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07:34<mrnice`>themill, or find a trust worthy debian installer guy where ur family lives
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07:35<jake>hey it doesnt have /etc/asound
07:36<jake>does it mean /proc/asound?
07:36<mrnice`>jake, jop
07:36<jm_>jake: who said /etc/asound?
07:36<jake>on that alsa page
07:37<jake>its asking me to modify /etc/asound.conf
07:37<jm_>well create one, but I recommend ~/.asoundrc instead
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07:39<themill>mrnice`: all these things are on the cards... I'm just not sure when and whether.
07:39<epidemic>I have a a small question, if your system is starting up but fails to load, what short-cut do you press on the keyboard to get into the command line?
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07:39<epidemic>is that possible on linux, I know windows has safe mode thing, but what about linux?
07:39<themill>petemc: not a path I had considered and I know very little about it other than asterisk is supposed to be a pig to get working. How feasible is it? Voice only or video to?
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07:40<mrnice`>themill, i guess ur main motive is voice, so try out any sip client
07:40<jake>jm_, nope /etc/.asoundrc not there
07:41<themill>mrnice`: I currently use video too
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07:41<jm_>jake: ~/.asoundrc is full path, there is no /etc involved
07:41<themill>petemc: s/to?/too?/
07:41<jm_>epidemic: noticed the single user mode entry in your boot loader's menu?
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07:42<mrnice`>themill, amsn would be the least time consuming direction
07:42<jake>jm_, even that doesn't have asound
07:43<jake>~/.asoundrc not there
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07:43<mrnice`>does someone maybe know how to disable firefox 3.0 new feature in url box?
07:44<jake>in a only aptitude
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07:44<themill>mrnice`: there was a slashdot comment on that a while back.... that may or may not help you :S
07:44<weasel>themill: I think all softphones suck. I bought a simens gigaset voip DECT phone and use that with some voip provider.
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07:48<jm_>jake: if it's not there, create it
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07:49<jake>ok i'll create /etc/asound.conf
07:49<epidemic>thx jm_ I was wondering, its never failed on me yet, but they do say your not a true *nix guru till youve experianced your first kernel panic
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07:52<epidemic>weasel, I bought a cheap 9.99 voip phone and its never let me down, it came in bright white... goes nicelly with the apple mac
07:52<epidemic>that'll change a few years down the line and stained hands grabbing it, its bound to turn brown!
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07:53<epidemic>hi yo
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07:53<epidemic>bye yo
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08:00<jake>jm_, but my /proc/asound/cards displays only nvidia card theres no creative there
08:00<jm_>jake: then your module is not loaded
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08:01<jake>but when i do alsaconf only creative is visible and that becomes 0 ... right now nvidia is zero and after every reboot nvidia is 0
08:02<jake>so if i make a file and select 0 card nvidia will become default
08:02<jake>how do i load both?
08:02<jake>i use a tv card so for mic i use my motherboard mic
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08:03<jake>so for voip i need both
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08:07<jm_>jake: load them from /etc/modules - man modules
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08:07<jm_>jake: then create ~?.asoundrc to set whichever you want as default
08:08<jake>ok lets try that
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08:19<jake>hey jm_ can u cat and send me ur /etc/modules? i have no idea how it should look like
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08:20<jake>or can i find it anywhere else?
08:20<jm_>jake: man modules
08:20<jm_>my modules file will be of no use to you :)
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08:21<jake>but do we have to manually edit /etc/modules? coz ive seen lsmod after alsaconf and it has so many of snd type
08:21<jake>i m stuck at how do i load modules
08:21<jm_>yeah if you want to load extra modules you have to
08:21<jm_>put them in this file and Debain will load them for you
08:22<jake>but hows is alsaconf doing it then
08:23<jake>there are so many ... mixer , pci , pcm, midi
08:23<jm_>it calls modprobe ...
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08:24<jake>ya and it edits that...
08:24<jake>so can i do alsaconf and then copy lines out of that modeprobe thing?
08:24<jake> this is my card
08:25<jake>and then paste it to /etc/modules?
08:25<jm_>no, just load the snd modules returned by which driver page
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08:32<jake>jm_, please see that ... under snd and more.... ca0106 is there
08:32<kooll>Hi. Is there some way to disable the part asking for root password in the fsck script (I suppose not calling sulogin in )
08:33<jake>thats the module name for creative
08:33<jm_>jake: yes so put snd_ca0106 and snd_hda_intel in modules file
08:35<jake>did now do i have to restart for the changes?
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08:37<jake>jm_, coz /etc/modules only loads in the beginning right
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08:37<jm_>you can modprobe them now
08:38<jake>how ?
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08:38<jake>modprobe /etc/modules?
08:39<jake>modprobe snd_ca0106
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08:40<jake>did modprobe snd_ca0106 no sound again jm_
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08:41<jm_>jake: which is your default card now?
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08:41<jake>i just added those two lines in /etc/modules
08:42<jake>then i did modprobe snd_ca0106
08:42<jake>then i did modprobe snd_hda_intel
08:42<jake>and then cat /proc/asound/cards
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08:42<jake>it still has only nvidia
08:42<jake>at 0
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08:44<jake>what now
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08:46<jake>i dont think there was any change in lsmod
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08:47<jm_>then it must have told you why it failed to load - check dmesg output
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08:49<jake>u mean after "#modprobe snd_ca0106"?
08:49<jake>no error
08:49<jake>just came back to #
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08:49<jm_>check dmesg like I said
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08:52<D_N_R>is there anyone keen on ssh sessions ?
08:53<weasel>this is not a place to trade shells.
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08:54<jake>jm_, ya there is nothing in dmesg about "snd_ca0106"
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08:54<jake>it has about ca0106 because i did modprobe ca0106 instead of modprobe snd_ca0106
08:55<D_N_R>I don't trade any shell
08:55<jake>CA0106: probe of 0000:04:09.0 failed with error -12
08:56<D_N_R>just wonder if there are any way to get back on a previous ssh session with a tty
08:56<E0x>D_N_R: i don't exactly what do you mean but check screen
08:57<E0x>( apt-get install screen )
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08:58<jm_>jake: there is only snd-ca0106
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08:58<jake>where? jm_
08:59<jake>jm_, what r u asking? where
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09:00<jake>snd_ca0106 is the creative card and snd-hda-intel is onboard
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09:00<jm_>jake: I am just telling you there's only snd-ca.... module
09:01<avu>(at least with modprobe, _ and - are interchangeable, though)
09:01<avu>(if that's even what you mean)
09:01<jake>u told me to add snd_ca0106 and snd_hda_intel so i did
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09:02<D_N_R>E0x : just trying to find historical commands from a previous ssh session I did and I was accidentally disconnected from
09:02<jake>then i modprob -ed both with no errors
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09:03<jake>but still not loaded
09:03<jake>i know man that was a mistake i did by modprobe ca0106
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09:04<E0x>D_N_R: check ~/.bash_history
09:04<jake>i was just pointing out that dmesg has error about ca0106 which i mis typed... no other errors about snd_ca0106
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09:06<jm_>you should read your screen and type the commands we give you, not come out with random commands
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09:06<ali3n0>hi folks. anyone here knows how to set up postfix with mysql? Tryin' to move sender_canonical maps to a mysql table, but no luck. postmap -q key mysql:pathtocf-file gives me the right answer, but cleanup says it can't connect to the mysql socket...
09:06<jake>its been 7 hours now and i was supposed to fix only my screen res and sound... god knows how much time its gonna take.. .its really not simple
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09:07<D_N_R>thanks a lot E0x
09:07<D_N_R>I did found what I was missing
09:08<jake>jm_, ?
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09:09<ali3n0>I've got aliases map working... not sure about what structure the canonical table has to be
09:09<jm_>jake: !
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09:10<jake>jm_, tell me if i can solve this. i get a feeling that linux doesn't like me that much
09:10<jake>just starting its so difficult...
09:11<jm_>jake: did you load both modules by now?
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09:12<jake>omg u r back to the same
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09:13<jake>how the hell do i do it man... thats what the problem is
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09:13<koe>modprobe -ls to see loaded modules
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09:14<jake>its been two hours i m continuously looking for ur name on the screen.
09:14<jm_>jake: I have told you this 3 times by now - modprobe
09:14<jake>and i ve told u its not getting loaded
09:15<koe>and is there a message about the devices in /var/log/messages?
09:15<weasel>and I'm telling you it's YOU, not U.
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09:15<jake>ive typed what i commands i gave around 5-6 times man
09:15<koe>at the end?
09:15<koe>tail /var/log/messages
09:15<amorphous>I want to do a kernel upgrade on etch so it can detect the sound card - is that kernel-image-686 for a 64 bit dual core if i'm running i386 etch?
09:16<jm_>jake: paste dmesg output on pastebin
09:16<koe>if your pc is newer than 2001 you will have 686 comp
09:16<jm_>amorphous: there are 64bit kernels but stick with 32bit if your architecture is i386
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09:17<koe>are the devices listed if you do lspci?
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09:18<jake>jm_, ive pasted everything
09:18<koe>how do i make dhcpd start nicely at the boot
09:19<jake>the file wasn't fully displayed
09:19<gsimmons>ali3n0: See the mysql_table(5) and canonical(5) man pages.
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09:19<koe>shift-pageup in a textwindow to scroll jake
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09:20<ali3n0>gsimmons: already doing so. the puzzling thing is that, using postmap -q, it is ok
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09:20<koe>ali3n0 i have seen similar prob with other program/mysql combo
09:20<jake>koe i know
09:20<jm_>jake: what exactly did you paste?
09:20<jake>after that
09:20<ali3n0>gsimmons: but by postfix, I get this: warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
09:20<jake>whatever i got after that
09:20<jm_>jake: dmesg > /tmp/bla ; paste /tmp/bla
09:20<ali3n0>and for alias table is goin' fine! bah :-O
09:21<koe>does that file exist ali3n0?
09:21<ali3n0>koe: want to use tcp and not socket
09:21<koe>if you do ls -l /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
09:21<ali3n0>koe: but also forcing that with inet:localhost is getting the same error
09:21<koe>then explicitly state ip
09:22<koe>instead of localhost
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09:22<jm_>jake: ahh this would explain why it doesn't load CA0106: probe of 0000:04:09.0 failed with error -12
09:22<ali3n0>anyway, soket is fine: # file /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock -> /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock: socket
09:22<jake>that line i sent u long ago
09:22<E0x>the sock file exist ali3n0 ?
09:22<ali3n0>E0x: yes
09:23<E0x>check the permissions
09:23<jm_>I haven't seen it, must be because you only prefix every 5th line for me with jm_, too much stuff to read
09:23<ali3n0>I supposed if postmap -q is working, than the mysql connection is fine
09:23<jm_>in any case, you can find someone else if you're not happy with my service
09:23<E0x>ali3n0: check sockstat | grep "mysqld"
09:23<jake>oh i didn't prefix that
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09:25<jake>jm_, no ur cool
09:25<jake>jm_, u fixed my res problem :)
09:26<jake>jm_, i mjust getting worked up a lil ..
09:27<koe>im getting pretty annoyed as well
09:27<koe>i am trying to install dhcpd
09:27<jm_>jake: if error -12 is errno based then it means ENOMEM
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09:28<jm_>jake: is this with 2.6.24?
09:28<koe>i configged the interface
09:28<koe>installed ipmasq
09:28<koe>installed dhcpd
09:28<koe>now i have to write a f-ing default dhcpd config
09:28<jm_>jake: I would try newer kernel first, but I have to go home now (sorry)
09:29<jake>oh man
09:29<jm_>jake: get 2.6.24 from etchandahalf or from backports
09:29<jm_>we can continue tomorrow if you can't find anyone else to help you ;)
09:29<jm_> card = snd_card_new(index[dev], id[dev], THIS_MODULE, 0);
09:29<jm_> if (card == NULL)
09:29<jm_> return -ENOMEM;
09:29<jm_>that may well be what the problem is
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09:30<jake>i m running back to windows for now
09:30<koe>im willing to look at it
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09:30<amorphous>I want to do a kernel upgrade on etch so it can detect the sound card - is that kernel-image-686 for a 64 bit dual core if i'm running i386 etch?
09:30<jake>please do
09:31<koe>you are trying soundcard
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09:32<amorphous>what have i missed out that's obvious if i can't find the upgrades for the kernel in backports? apt-cache says theres no such switch as -t, and the later kernel images aren't included in the list. backports is in sources.list & have aptitude update'd
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09:33<jake>sound card
09:33<amorphous>koe yes
09:33<koe>is it shown in lspci?
09:33<jake>creative koe
09:33<amorphous>koe, me?
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09:34<jake>04:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS
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09:35<jake>04:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS , koe
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09:38<koe>and what part is not working?
09:39<jake>i get no sound when i reboot
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09:39<koe>but it works now?
09:39<jake>but when i run alsaconf the module is loaded and i can listen
09:40<SilentBob>hey, is there a tool for monitor configuration? like in windows if you plug in a second monitor so you can start it up. I just got it working if i boot up with the 2nd monitor
09:40<koe>jake do you know which module it is?
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09:40<jake>snd_ca0106 is for creative card
09:41<jake>and snd_hda_intel is for onboard which gets selected everytime i reboot
09:41<koe>you can always enter a couple of lines in /etc/rc.local
09:41<ali3n0>ok, solved in someway, probably it was localhost instead of tnx guys
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09:41<koe>and they will be executed somewhere at boot
09:42<koe>hurrah, that took us what? 5 min?
09:42<jake>but i have written "snd_ca0106" and "snd_hda_intel" in /etc/modules
09:42<jake>that wont help?
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09:43<gsimmons>amorphous: I'm sorry, but didn't you previously install a 2.6.24 kernel image, in order to obtain ALSA >= 1.0.13?
09:43<jake>koe is the problem solved?
09:43<koe>i cant say, my debian expertise is quite limited
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09:44<amorphous>gsimmons, yes. couldn't get a site to work that's imperitive, so had to go 32bit :( -- now i seem to be stuck on finding that kernel image.
09:44<koe>if necessary you run alsa-conf at boot
09:44<koe>maybe it is a problem with mixer settings?\
09:44<jake>no thats not a fix
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09:44<amorphous>gsimmons, I have the backports enabled, key installed etc, but the images don't show in apt-cache... am I forgetting something stupid?
09:45<jake>i giveup man
09:45<koe>me too, better luck tomorrow
09:47<jake>i cant believe i wasted one more day. i have exams
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09:48<jake>thanks anyways
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09:49<gsimmons>amorphous: If you're after the latest available Linux 2.6 AMD64 bpo kernel image, you'd want to install the 'linux-image-2.6-amd64' package from etch-backports.
09:51<amorphous>gsimmons, i couldnt get them to work - i re-installed to 32bit etch. now i'm trying to work out whether i should install linux-image-2.6.18-6-486 or 686 (found images, was looking for kernel-image not linux-image :/
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09:53<gsimmons>amorphous: Neither of those will provide you with ALSA >= 1.0.13 - necessary to provide support of your nVidia MCP61 sound chipset - unless you decide to build and install an associated 'alsa-modules-*' package.
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09:54<amorphous>when i try to install gstreamer it says that it can't find it, but it's mentioned in linux-image-2.6.18-6-486, but according to uname -a, i already have that.
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09:54<amorphous>gsimmons, so how do i find the right linux-kernel to have drivers -- sorry, i'm very confused
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09:56<gsimmons>amorphous: We've been over this previously: you need ALSA 1.0.13 or later. You can install a later kernel version (via packages available from or generate an 'alsa-modules-*' package for 2.6.18. Either method will provide you with the ALSA version you require.
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09:58<amorphous>gsimmons, yeah - i catching up now, sorry... have a very short time left and not handling it too well...
09:59<amorphous>thanks for patience. - i'm gonna go for the grounding thing again, methinks....
10:00<gsimmons>amorphous: Installing the later kernel image package would be the fastest approach, as you've performed this previously. /msg dpkg and follow the instructions provided.
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10:07<mrnice`>did someone encounter problems with totem and unstable
10:07<mrnice`>i can play movies but green background with sound
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10:09<jthomas>Can anyone help me to get a Rockwell serial modem working? I can connect in with 'cu -l ttyS0' and I can have it dial; in the past it would tell me NO DIALTONE but that was a telco error; now I get NO CARRIER when I dial, meaning my mobile isn't answering with a modem -- but my phone isn't ringing for it to even know this. Ideas?
10:10<jthomas>"i can have it dial" == well, I can send it an ATDT 5551212 command
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10:20<Odd_Bloke>Hey guys, I'm currently trying to install some software on a system without network access. How can I work out which packages are on which of the CDs? Or should I download individual packages and dependencies and transfer them across otherwise?
10:21<gsimmons>!tell Odd_Bloke -about cd contents
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10:22<Odd_Bloke>gsimmons: Cheers. :)
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10:22<amorphous>gsimmons, thank you.
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10:31<Minty>has anyone managed to get Turkish keymap files for Vim per chance?
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10:47<engkeboy155>any tutorial on how to install raid 5 using debian etch?
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10:58<engkeboy155>any tutorial on how to install raid 5 using debian etch?
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11:06<koe>man lvm
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11:21<bobJR>hi everyone im on kubuntu which i know is debian based whats the best ftp server i can use thats easy to config with using a domain
11:21<bobJR>like a no-ip domain
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11:23<SlayerXP>!topicsmite bobJR
11:23<dpkg>And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon bobJR. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.
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11:57<Aleric>When I try to run 'pidgin'... it does nothing.
11:58<Aleric>I type 'pidgin' at the commandline, it goes to the next line (no new prompt), and nothing.
11:58<Aleric>Just sits there.
11:59<d0rt>maybe you want to try "strace pidgin"
11:59<d0rt>though it's pretty noisy when i try it here :-]
11:59<Aleric>d0rt: do you get a graphical interface?
11:59<Aleric>I'm running it in strace, but that doesn't tell me anything
12:00<d0rt>sure, pidgin works fine for almost everyone else but you :-]
12:00<Aleric>it's waiting in poll( ... sometimes something is received it seems.
12:00<d0rt>scroll up
12:00<Aleric>I downloaded the source code even and recompiled it.
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12:05<MrNaz`>If I install Debian on a box with 1gb of RAM and later add another 3gb of ram, it'll just use that extra without me needing to do anything, right ?
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12:06<MrNaz`>I won't have to adjust swap size or anything like that
12:06<azeem>swap doesn't have to do anything with ram
12:06<azeem>MrNaz`: 4GB might need a bigmem kernel on i386 to use the full 4GB though
12:06<MrNaz`>azeem i'm only using 64bit debian
12:07<MrNaz`>first thing i do is switch to a 64bit kernel
12:07<MrNaz`>(using opteron cpus)
12:07<MrNaz`>This machine is a single cpu opteron with 1gb... it's got a sticker on it saying "My other server is a quad core with 4gb RAM" hehe
12:08<MrNaz`>actually no it doesn't but that seemed funny anyway
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12:11<d0rt>Aleric, if you're still here, way up near the top of my output I found open("/usr/lib/", O_RDONLY) = 3
12:12<d0rt>i assume you're going to see something like that (and maybe an error that leads you to the dependency that you're missing or something)
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12:13<azeem>if dependencies are missing, ld will complain
12:14<azeem>Aleric: did you make sure that no other instance of pidgin is already running?
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12:15<Aleric>open("/usr/lib/", O_RDONLY) = 3
12:15<Aleric>no other instance is running
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12:38<ubuntu>hi. this is kinda a ubuntu question, but how do i know if i have warty or hoary?
12:38<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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12:38<themill>ubuntu: ask in #ubuntu on
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13:12<binary>Hey all
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13:14<binary>I was wondering if anybody would be able to assist me with a problem I'm having
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13:14<binary>Basically I can't compile the ndiswrapper module with module-assistant because it fails
13:14<binary>This is ever since I upgraded my kernel, and I don't think ndiswrapper is the only module affected
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13:22<mrnice`>do i need backports to get xmms running in testing/unstable
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13:27<the-me>mrnice`, xmms isn't supported by debian anymore
13:28<mrnice`>the-me, found that out :/ now looking for a xmms2 playlist plugin
13:28<mrnice`>the-me, liked the old xmms
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13:32<mrnice`>the-me, funny thing is its running on a client with unstable, but i lost the deb file
13:33<nilson>can i install gnome2.22 on debian etch?
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13:40<amorphous>I have a dilemma... I need a stable box that plays music & serves webdav. my soundcard isn't supported unless i update the kernel, and if I do, I loose webdav. How do i proceed?
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13:40<cahoot>update alsa only?
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13:42<weasel>install only a new kernel?
13:42<amorphous>cahoot - it's the drivers for the card. Apparently they're only supprted in later kernel
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13:43<cahoot>amorphous: alsa is the 'driver'
13:43<amorphous>and it has to be stable... it's going a long way away and I dont want to have to go get it!
13:43<amorphous>cahoot, eh? the hardware driver?
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13:44<amorphous>are you saying that I can get the alsa drivers without upgrading the kernel?
13:44<amorphous>with modules?
13:44<cahoot>alsa is the software that makes your soundcard 'work'
13:45<amorphous>cahoot - i may need a little hand holding. been feeling pretty useless today !
13:45<cahoot>amorphous: to some extent you can upgrade only alsa and keep the kernel
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13:46<cahoot>amorphous: I suspect it won't work if there's a too large gap in versions
13:46<weasel>I suspect it won't work without a recent kernel.
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13:47<amorphous>so i have a dilemma... it seems that webdav won't work in the later kernel
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13:47<amorphous>cadaver's ok, but no gui login
13:47<cahoot>amorphous: what kernel version do you run?
13:47<weasel>amorphous: huh?
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13:47<weasel>what does webdav have to do with the kernel?
13:48<amorphous>now? i'm running etch stable...
13:49<amorphous> a 64bit machine :( ---because the audio wouldn't work in 64bit
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13:49<amorphous>weasel, i have no idea, but it doesn't work in the upgrade
13:50*amorphous has already upgraded, but rebooted into the old kernel
13:51<amorphous>well... i say that -- audio worked, youtube worked, but finetune didn't. the whole purpose of the box is to have finetune & webdav. ---pretty much nothing else!
13:51<mentor>I think your testing methodology is lacking
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13:52<cahoot>amorphous: obiously you had sound working fine - basically
13:53<amorphous>mentor, i'm trying to develope one... but floundering. and i've found no guides to it :(
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13:53<amorphous>cahoot - not in finetune.
13:53<amorphous>the only place it wouldn't work
13:53<amorphous>and the only place i need it
13:53<mentor>WTF is finetune?
13:54<amorphous>mentor, swf streaming
13:54<mentor>So this is more likely to be a swfdec issue?
13:54<weasel>if sound is working at all but not in some flash thingie then that's hardly the kernel's or alsa's fault
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13:54<mentor>Perhaps you need to install another audio codec
13:54<amorphous>close to pandora, but we can't have pandora due to licencing... :/
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13:55<amorphous>weasel, i spent over 30 hrs solid trying to get it to play, but no joy :( nobody elae seems to have the same problem
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13:56<weasel>then you are doing something wrong. wanting to use flash is probably the first mistake of many.
13:56<amorphous>yeah, but that's the spec i have to work to
13:56<mentor>audio codec perhaps?
13:56<mentor>Might I suggest the audio codec thing?
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13:57*amorphous is trying his first install for others...
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13:57<amorphous>mentor, just updating the alsa codecs?
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13:57<mentor>Well, I believe that swfdec uses GStreamer
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13:58<amorphous>is there a legacy driver i could use just to get sound out? it's only for streaming.
13:58<amorphous>mentor, so do i
13:58<mentor>So, perhaps a GStreamer codec?
13:58*mentor sighs
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13:58<mentor>amorphous: It isn't a driver issue
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13:58<amorphous>mentor, its swf?
13:59<amorphous>that's pants :(
13:59<mentor>Might I suggest the audio codec thing?
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13:59<amorphous>mentor, what is the audio codec thing?
13:59<mentor>That you don't have the right one
13:59<amorphous>mentor, sorry, getting tired
14:00<amorphous>change to gstreamer, you mean?
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14:00<mentor>Yes, possibly installing a codec for GStreamer
14:00<amorphous>you think i can get one for snd-hda-intel?
14:01<mentor>amorphous: It's not a driver issue
14:01<mentor>fenix: Stop that
14:01<fenix>vc fala deonde mentor
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14:01<mentor>fenix: Do you have a Debian related question?
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14:02<amorphous>ok hang on mentor...
14:03<mentor>You've made sound come out. That bit works
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14:04<renginez>hi, i had successfully installed debian in my ibook g3, when i tried to boot, i went into some blank screen prompt me to login n so i did, but after login, still no desktop had been seen, only blank and full wif words...???
14:04<mentor>renginez: Welcome to the command line
14:04<mentor>renginez: Perhaps you needed to install the Desktop task?
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14:06<renginez>command line? i tod i did? i chose desktop partition and follow the installation, end up in command line? i tod it will go to desktop? btw im using netinst.iso
14:06<mentor>!install guide
14:06<dpkg>methinks install guide is The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: and for woody: For ETCH See . Also ask me about IG </msg dpkg IG>
14:07<mentor>renginez: There is no such thing as a 'desktop partition'
14:07<mentor>renginez: Try using tasksel or aptitude to install a desktop environment
14:08<renginez>btw those install guides for non power pc, im using a power pc...
14:09<mentor>renginez: There are PPC insstall guides in the list of install guides?
14:09<renginez>aptitude, so to access aptitude how do i do? where aptitude can be found, the instalaltion guide could hardly be understandable for new users like me...for e.g : it never tell me to go terminal and in which terminal this n that...
14:10<mentor>Fair enough
14:10<mentor>!user guide
14:10<dpkg>from memory, debian doc is
14:10<renginez>im totally new to all this, so i would be glad if you could give a a little hand
14:10<mentor>Sure, read the docs, and ask about whatever you don't understand
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14:13<renginez>for installing desktop task, which section is suppose to read?
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14:15<mentor>Try here:
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14:17<amorphous>mentor: right. sorry. interuptions. So - it's not a driver issue, does that mean it's a swf issue?
14:17<mentor>I'm still leaning towards the aduio stack
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14:18<amorphous>not the swf? youtube was ok in 64bit, but finetune no - both swf
14:19<amorphous>I'm tempted to re-install, but dont know what purpose it will serve...
14:19<mentor>Well, er, does the fine tune flash thingy, like... work at all?
14:20<weasel>do we have to understand why you are using 64bit mode anyway?
14:20<amorphous>there was also another difference in kernels... (yes finetune fine with this kernel.) hang on , i'll just check it...
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14:21<amorphous>weasel, i'm not sure. Am i using 64bit mode? i'm currently logged into a 486 kernel
14:22<amorphous>the other installed kernel is k7
14:22<weasel>didn't you say you did?
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14:22<amorphous>weasel, previously - i wiped it in the name of wiping the slate clean
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14:24<mentor>Neither -486 nor -k7 is a 64-bit mode kernel
14:24<amorphous>and with the webdav effected by the kernel thing.... webdav was fine once i started up with the 486 kernel
14:24<amorphous>mentor - no. the 64bit was wiped
14:24<mentor>Let's ignore webdav for now
14:25<amorphous>mentor :P
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14:26<amorphous>is there a 'best' kernel - there seems to be so many. I have a dual core 64bit AMD 4200+ processor
14:26<amorphous>and would 486 be better than k7?
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14:27<mentor>You want to be using a 64-bit kernel
14:28<mentor>Failing that, a k7 kernel would be better
14:28<amorphous>ok, but there's no 64bit swf
14:28<mentor>Oh... You are using the flshplayer plugin?
14:28<amorphous>nswrapper failed on me before, that was the time consumer
14:29<jla>no, just nswrapper
14:29<jla>other options include a x86 chroot or compatibility libs
14:29<amorphous>mentor, no nswrappersomething for mozilla pugins
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14:30<amorphous>jla, that sounds complicated
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14:31<jla>amorphous: I wimped out and just run 64bit. some packages install to use the 32bit compatibility libraries - like a wine port I use.
14:31<amorphous>jla - that's the baby... - was searching, but not good enough
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14:31<mentor>swfdec, perhaps?
14:31<amorphous>jla, you running flash on 64bit?
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14:31<jla>nope. I haven't cared/missed it enough to tackle that yet.
14:32<amorphous>pants :(
14:32<jla>I was considering playing w/ vserver. there is a chroot program specically for launching 32bit programs against their libs. I've used that for something else. It works OK too
14:33<amorphous>Is anyone running 64bit using flashplayer & snd-hda-intel chip?
14:36<jla>blah intel (maybe any) chip model numbers, sSpec and all that blah.
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14:37<amorphous>jla - that's way over my head. would you have to chroot in a term to run stuff? how's that work?
14:37<amorphous>mentor swfdec was a problem before, it threw up an error message saying it was known to be unstable with the finetune site
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14:40<jla>amorphous: Sorry I don't remember all the details. You install the 32bit browser into a 32bit directory/chroot. then to run it you "chroot" (only some other program specifically for launching 32bit chroot apps) and it runs in your 64 bit desktop. You can have a launcher shortcut called, idk, Iceweasel-32, that launches it via that. I'll try to find you a couple things to read
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14:41<jla>schroot is the program I was talking about
14:41<amorphous>jla - thanks... So is general line here that i'd do best in 64bit?
14:41<jla>well everything else runs tons better, but if the solutions in that paper look like too much of a pain maybe you should do x86ish
14:42<amorphous>jla ok... will give it a go - just restarting now, with a 64bit amd kernel :)
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14:42<jla>what release?
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14:42<jla>amorphous: to use more than 4GiB of ram (sanely) you'll want 64bit as well
14:42<amorphous>jla, i have 1
14:43<amorphous>as far as i know i need that for the alsa drivers
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14:44<jla>ah, I meant like etch, lenny
14:44<amorphous>sorry... etch
14:44<jla>np. you were saying something about not seeing an -amd64 package?
14:44*amorphous needs stability
14:45<amorphous>nah - i'd wiped it... i started off with it, then binned it because i'd done so much I'd made a mess
14:45<amorphous>but that was kernel 18, not 22
14:47<amorphous>jla, I used aptitude to install these kernels, will they go if I remove them? or will i be left with 'bits'
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14:49<jla>they go.
14:49<amorphous>cool :D
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14:49<jla>normal remove will get rid of it from /boot and /lib
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14:54<amorphous>jla, is this a bad idea to just update the kernel from 486 install to 64bit? will it work, or wil all the 32bit packages collapse around it?
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14:56<jla>amorphous: that doesn't sound like the smoothest way to go. I don't even know how well it will work. If you want to preserve your x86 install, use the chroot install documented in that link I posted
14:57<jla>or start from scratch from an amd64 installer
14:57<amorphous>amd64installer i think it is :(
14:58<amorphous>ok - thanks jla... I gonna go give it a go :)
14:58<jla>a debian amd64 system expects /lib and /bin to have amd64 stuff
14:58<amorphous>jla, ok - sort of came to that reading up on the chroot stuff you sent. that's what put me in doubt...
14:58<amorphous>(cheers for that)
14:59<jla>follow the example that does the chroot install into /pure64 if you want to keep the 32 bit environment as well
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15:03<amorphous>you're not going to believe this...
15:04<amorphous>on a 486 install, I have installed a 64bit amd kernel, and everything works fine!
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15:04<amorphous>(hoping the printers will be ok though
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15:05<jla>didn't it work fine with a non amd64 kernel?
15:05<amorphous>no gui for webdav
15:05<amorphous>only cadaver
15:06<jla>that doesn't make any sense to me, but I don't know the whole story. (sorry don't have time to hear it either)
15:06<jla>your now operating like you're always in a 32bit chroot
15:06<amorphous>jla - that is about the whole story
15:07<amorphous>jla, could that mean removing the others could be problematic?
15:08<jla>I don't know how it would work any different for a webdav gui than using linux-image-2.6-686 or -k8
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15:09<jla>idk. if removing them messes things up, somethign else is really wrong.
15:09<amorphous>no - me neither -(but that's not saying much) - now i don;t know if it's just gonna be problematic, or whether i should just wrap it up and get it away from me!
15:09<jla>I also don't get how which kernel you run makes any diff on the gui.
15:10<amorphous>ok - i'll go for the cleaning option....
15:10<amorphous>dont know - it just wouldn't connect in a browser (webdav) from the other kernel
15:12<jla>makes no sense :S
15:13<amorphous>well, i have 4 kernels on here... 2.6.486 2.6.18-6-486 2.6.22-4-amd64 and 2.6.22-4-k7
15:14<amorphous>and the last one on was the 64
15:14<jla>and if you reboot to -k7 your webdav doesn't work?
15:14<jla>are all those backports? I thought you were using etch
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15:14<amorphous>i'll try it... hang on ---yes backports
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15:15<amorphous>and yes - etrch
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15:19<robsonoc1>oi como vc está
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15:20<amorphous>jla -- reboot... k7 .. all working.
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15:20<robsonoc1> jla -- reboot... k7 .. all working
15:20<robsonoc1> jla -- reboot... k7 .. all working jla -- reboot... k7 .. all working jla -- reboot... k7 .. all working jla -- reboot... k7 .. all working jla -- reboot... k7 .. all working jla -- reboot... k7 .. all working
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15:21<jla>no, weird would have been -amd64 with 32bit userspace
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15:22<casal>j/ sexo
15:22<amorphous>jla - yeah - but wierd in that installing the 64bit was about the only thing i done between 2 boots into k7
15:22<mase>what do you think is the best network card to create an wireless lan accesspoint on an server (ad-hoc support within linux etc)
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15:26<MartinVW>Hi, I want to check NFS out. I guess for decent security I will need NFSv4 (the server shall not trust client IPs because a malicious user could boot a client with a LiveCD)... does etch support NFSv4 completely?
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15:31<amorphous>jla --- thank you.
15:31<jla>amorphous: np. good luck.
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15:31<amorphous>mentor, thank you aswell.
15:32<amorphous>mentor - fr yr patience ;)
15:32<jla>MartinVW: in etch /usr/share/doc/nfs-common/README.Debian.nfsv4 says it's not. I don't know how up to date that is. Install the package and read more about it.
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15:34<MartinVW>jla: ok, will do that. Thanks.
15:34<mase>jla doen't this change with a new kernel? it's mostly the nfs-kernel-server...
15:35<jla>mase: idk. I should play w/ nfs4. I haven't. I've just got a few read-only shares of public type data.
15:35<jla>and I use nfs-kernel-server for that
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15:39<reggae>mentor : do u still remember a guy by the nick, sumting like demar? whom tried to help me? whats his nick again? u remembered?
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15:40<mentor>reggae: I'm sorry, no.
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15:40<reggae>its ok, thanks, btw im also known as RENGINEZ...
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15:43<reggae>mentor L if u dun mind can u copy and paste the whole main chat to me privately? real sorry, as i nid to find that person, urgent, im halfway need help from him..
15:44<mentor>I don't have it, I'm sorry. I keep my logs fairly short
15:45<reggae>its ok then
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15:55<Willd>Does anyone have any experience with iceweasel and dualscreen?
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15:56<mickey6>has anyone used debian sarge on a hp p400 raid card
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16:17<MethodOne>will iceweasel 3 ever make it to lenny?
16:17<azeem>we'll see
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16:17<MethodOne>i know that upstream released their version today
16:18<MethodOne>looks like i'll use mozilla's binary until then
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16:19<witte>MethodOne: the iceweasel package in experimental has been quite recent lately, they followed firefox quite well
16:19<witte>MethodOne: so if that package has no problems, i expect it to enter unstable very soon. In principle that should mean it could end up in lenny...
16:20<dondelelcaro>rc2 is in unstable now
16:20<MethodOne>i'm running testing
16:21<azeem>MethodOne: are you saying you're comlaining it's not in testing *now*?
16:21<witte>MethodOne: once it hits unstable, and there are no major errors, it should enter lenny 10 days later
16:21*azeem files a serious bug on iceweasel just to annoy MethodOne
16:22<MethodOne>i thought there was a package freeze on lenny
16:22<witte>MethodOne: only essential packages i think
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16:23<witte>MethodOne: the complete freeze of lenny is not yet announced (at least, not that i know of)
16:26<toasterboy>can i use rpms for installs or shoudl i grab the .tar.gz?
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16:26<witte>toasterboy: which linux version are you using?.
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16:27<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
16:27<toasterboy>oh. this id debian
16:27<toasterboy>yeah yeah
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16:27<witte>toasterboy: and use apt-get or synaptic...
16:27<toasterboy>not sure what the package is called though
16:28<witte>toasterboy: synaptic has a search function ;-), and from the command line you can use apt-cache search 'term'
16:28<toasterboy>i know. i'm getting about 30 hits. just not sure which one is the right one
16:30<toasterboy>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
16:30<toasterboy> swf-player: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10.3) but it is not going to be installed
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16:34<toasterboy>hey. will any netinstall cd work or is a current one needed?
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16:36<witte>toasterboy: any debian netinstall should work, but you could get some problems with new hardware...
16:37<toasterboy>the cd is newer than the hardware
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16:37<witte>toasterboy: in that case, suee
16:37<toasterboy>ok. 2nd question. would a dvd be faster then using netinstall?
16:37<toasterboy>i think
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16:38<toasterboy>that's about 200kbps right?
16:38<toasterboy>where is everyone anyway?
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16:39<renginez02>toaster : we r all here pal
16:40<witte>toasterboy: faster in what sence?
16:40<witte>toasterboy: if you want to install multiple machines, it is better to get the dvd, otherwise, it is better to get the netinstall
16:40<witte>the netinstall gives you what you need, and downloads the rest afterwards, the full dvd gives you a 4GB download in the beginning...
16:40<toasterboy>well i already have the dvd
16:40<toasterboy>that's why
16:40<witte>toasterboy: then use the dvd, no difference in that
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16:42<toasterboy>:/ ?
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16:44<renginez02>can anyone help me, i need to get to desktop gui, im stuck at the command after successfully install debian, btw i am a total n00b, so i would not understand the gudes
16:44<toasterboy>i will
16:44<toasterboy>pick me!
16:45<toasterboy>did you install a desktop environment during setup?
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16:45<renginez02>yes, i did i think.
16:46<renginez02>im using netinst.iso to install btw..
16:46<toasterboy>did you try running startx
16:46<witte>!set up x
16:46<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, or <install kde>, or <install xfce>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
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16:47<renginez02>startx? where to run, (btw, the guide line does not suit me...cus since im totally new in this, i dunno where to run, whether on the mac terminal or linux,...seeriously ;-)...) where do i run setupx, btw i dun have a net3work connection now.
16:48<toasterboy>what do you see right now?
16:48<toasterboy>do you have a shell?
16:49<renginez02>i think so,
16:49<toasterboy>type in the command -----> startx
16:49<renginez02>im currently reinstalling the thing again and again (but this time, im installing the full version)
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16:50<renginez02>just it prompt me to login so i got (gary@linux:~$)
16:50<renginez02>just now it*
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16:50<renginez02>is this where shell and the command is?
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16:51<toasterboy>it's interactive, right?
16:51<renginez02>so i type
16:51<toasterboy>you can type things in?
16:51<renginez02>startx (right after the $ symbol)
16:52<toasterboy>then hit return
16:52<toasterboy>what happens?
16:52<renginez02>cus now im not there, im in the installation
16:52<renginez02>lol...sorry....but im 50% goin to get the installation done.
16:52<toasterboy>ok. wait till it's done
16:52<renginez02>thanks pal.
16:52<witte>renginez02: become root by typing "su'
16:52<witte>renginez02: so just su without " or ' :-)
16:52<witte>you need your root password for that
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16:54<haxi> .
16:54<renginez02>ok witte, ill try right after i install debian in full...i need to get the cheese for it.
16:55<witte>haxi: they killed the server? :-)
16:55<renginez02>btw im using an ibook g3 dual usb to install (it runs PPC)...edit.
16:55<haxi>witte: just try again in 2 mins ;)
16:56<haxi>damn they plan to do a world record and... server just fukk3d up ;(
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16:56<witte>haxi: i run debian, so it is iceweasel for me, not firefox ;-)
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16:56<haxi>I hope it's gonna be in testing soon ;)
16:57<haxi>"soon" means... 1h or so..
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16:57<haxi>firefox3 in gentoo portage 1h30 after release ;/
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16:58<toasterboy>you cant install firefox on debian?
16:58<renginez02>btw, may i know drivers that are for mandrake linux will work on debian?
16:59<renginez02>since both are linux (edit)
16:59<haxi>renginez02: yep.
16:59<haxi>toasterboy: you can, but "firefox" is "iceweasel"
16:59<haxi>that's all, "iceweasel" is more "free" ;)
17:00<witte>haxi: it wont be in testing for at least 10 days
17:00<witte>haxi: there is a big difference between gentoo and debian. Debian tends to be for people who use the computer, gentoo for people who like to play with their computer (like compiling etc.)
17:00<witte>toasterboy: well, iceweasel is a free version of firefox
17:00<toasterboy>huh? firefox is free
17:00<renginez02>so the drivers ill work on debian? u sure?
17:00<witte>renginez02: if there are mandrake drivers, there are debian drivers, maybe it is not the same file, but it will be the same source...
17:00<haxi>witte: well, I wanna use firefox3, not to play with it ;D
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17:00<witte>haxi: i have iceweasel 3 rc2 on debian (experimental package)
17:01<haxi>toasterboy: I mean the "free software" style
17:01<witte>!why iceweasel
17:01<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information.
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17:01<haxi>free != opensource
17:01<renginez02>cus, im installing debian for the sake of using a wireless pcmcia thta i bought (mend for red hat n mandrake linux), i mod abit, instead getting an airport card that cost a bomb (im a cheap ass)..
17:01<haxi>witte: I won't use rc ;D
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17:02<witte>renginez02: if it works for one linux, it should work for all of the,
17:03<renginez02>Toaster : ok i've done the base system installation, now it prompts me to mark which softwares i needed namely (desktop environment, web server, print server, DNS server, File server, Mail server, SQL server, Laptop, Standard system) should i mark all?
17:03<renginez02>btw thaks witte for the info
17:03<witte>renginez02: do you want all?
17:04<renginez02>im not sure, i want it better to have all the guns?
17:04<witte>renginez02: do you want to run a mail *server* on your pc? or a DNS server? i doubt it...
17:04<witte>renginez02: just desktop environment and standard system will be enough
17:04<renginez02>i think its not nessesary for me
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17:04<renginez02>no laptop?
17:05<toasterboy>ok. so during install there is a point where it tries to connect to security updates. would it be ok if i just apt-get update after the install?
17:05<toasterboy>if you are on a laptop then yes
17:05<witte>renginez02: you can install everything you want, but it will take longer and will ask you a lot of questions...
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17:05<witte>ah, and laptop if you have one
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17:05<renginez02>so im using ibook, i assume to mark it?
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17:06<renginez02>ok its installing
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17:08<toasterboy>race you
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17:08<renginez02>should i get cd2.iso
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17:11<witte>renginez02: normally not
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17:11<witte>renginez02: unless you have no net connection on that pc, and you need to install somehting that is not on disk one
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17:15<Bladesman>Well, did a tasksel install of the X11 environment, and being blind, I hadn't a clue gdm had booted, nor could I switch to a text console.. Used the the rescue CD to finally switch off gdm, but now I only have one text console. Any ideas how to proceed other than a full Etch reinstall?
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17:17<Bladesman>I really need those text consoles, as the gnome-orca screen reader is a POS.
17:17<witte>Bladesman: you have no other terminals at ctrl-alt-F2 ... F6
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17:17<Bladesman>Nope. Just one text console.
17:17<witte>Bladesman: is your installation completed?
17:18<Bladesman>Waitaminute. Ctrl+alt works!
17:19<Bladesman>Oops. No it doesn't.
17:20<witte>Bladesman: did your installation finish without errors?
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17:20<Bladesman>I am pretty sure. I did the lenny upgrade for a week, then tasksel'ed the desktop environment in last night.
17:21<witte>Bladesman: so it worked before?
17:22<Bladesman>Until I installed X11, yeah.
17:22<Bladesman>While gdm was running, I couldn't switch back to text consoles.
17:23<witte>Bladesman: i really have no idea why that would be? maybe you have some kind of "funny" keyboard layout which was altered when installing X11?
17:23<Bladesman>Haven't ran gdmsetup in X, because it isn't that screen reader friendly.
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17:24<witte>Bladesman: gdm should stop you from accessing the terminal
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17:24<Bladesman>It certainly does that well.
17:24<witte>Bladesman: sorry should not let you stop from accessing the terminal
17:25<Bladesman>I got nothing but gdm if I let it run.
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17:27<Bladesman>Installed the X11 setup last night, and only rebooted this afternoon. I did access X11 through the startx command once, though and set up the gnome-orca screen reader.
17:27<witte>Bladesman: i use gdm and ctrl-alt-f1...F6 just works fine
17:27<witte>Bladesman: is the file /etc/inittab correct? there should be six lines like this in it: 4:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty4
17:28<Bladesman>tty1 has 2345, and the others only have 23 listed.
17:28<witte>Bladesman: that is what i have as well
17:29<witte>Bladesman: could it be your keyboard that is misconfigured somehow? or would this be farfetched?
17:30<Bladesman>Was the first thing I checked once I found just the one text console.
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17:31*Bladesman growls. Thank you! F'ing micksoft multimedia keyboard with some kinda function key toggle thingy. Works now. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
17:32<Bladesman>Wonder if I hit the key on accident.
17:32*Bladesman sighs gratefully.
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17:33<witte>Bladesman: you found it yourself ;-)
17:33<Bladesman>If you're female, I'm proposing marriage.
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17:34<witte>Bladesman: lol, but i'm not
17:34<witte>Bladesman: hint, i am on a debian channel, chances that i would be female are very slim i think :-)
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17:35<Bladesman>Just kidding. You prolly wouldn't marry an unemployed blind guy, even if you were.
17:35*Bladesman jamz...
17:35<Bladesman>Thank you again...
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17:45<marcot>Is there a place where I can see the diference between sid and lenny?
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17:46<marcot>The packages that are not yet in lenny?
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17:50<thaycs>I don't -think-there's a constantly updated list. it just seems a little impractical.
17:50<thaycs>but maybe.
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17:51<dpkg>well, firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo 'gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"' >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel>
17:51<dpkg>methinks iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat ( To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
17:51<noflash>gpb, /msg the bot
17:51<marcot>thaycs: is sid much more unstable than testing, or the difference is not that big?
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17:52<noflash>thank you :)
17:52<thaycs>it's not that big of a difference. I use sid myself.
17:52<thaycs>yeah. try both out. if you see noticeable differences, than obviously you don't want sid.
17:53<gpb>i know i'm probably user number 2761283 asking this today, but i simply *have* to ask:
17:53<marcot>I think I'll try sid.
17:53<gpb>is there a version of ff3 planned for lenny?
17:53<thaycs>good coice :D
17:53<marcot>If I get any problem, I get back to lenny.
17:53<marcot>thaycs: thanks.
17:53<witte>marcot: testing is a 10 days old sid, meaning without the nastiest bugs
17:54<thaycs>gpb: all I know is that it will be in sid within a few days, so it should be in lenny within a few more days after that
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17:54<witte>marcot: it is not easy to downgrade, you'll have to reinstall...
17:54<gpb>ah, great
17:54<marcot>witte: yes, I thought about this. So you think there's not much advantage in using sid?
17:54<thaycs>you could change your sources.list to lenny and then dist-upgrade.
17:54<gpb>thought it might not make it to lenny
17:55<thaycs>marcot: packages are there faster.
17:55<thaycs>that's the main distance.
17:55<thaycs>difference*. lol can't think today, took a few tests
17:55<witte>marcot: depends on what you want, if you want a system that is a reasonably recent desktop environment without much hassle, use testing
17:55<thaycs>anyway I gotta go. good luck with your endeavors, everyone.
17:56<witte>marcot: if you want the bleeding edge, try sid
17:56<marcot>What I really wanted is to help in finding bugs...
17:56<gpb>but remember: bleeding edge means it can be your blood that's spilled ;-)
17:56<witte>marcot: i use lenny on my pc at work, and sid on my home desktop...
17:56<witte>marcot: you will find more bugs in sid :-)
17:57<marcot>Yes, for sure.
17:57<marcot>But I think I may have some problems also from them.
17:57<witte>marcot: you can also use testing, and run a sid in a virtualisation environment
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17:58<marcot>this is a good idea.
18:00<marcot>Cause mostly I wont need packages in such a hurry that I can't wait 10 days.
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18:01<witte>marcot: there are not many reasons why anyone could not wait 10 days
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18:01<knoppix_>vin chebn update
18:01<witte>marcot: but of course, it very cool if you can say "I run debian Unstable" :P
18:01<marcot>witte: so you run sid just to say this?
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18:02<marcot>I said this for some time... And I think that's kind of the reason I was not very happy in using testing.
18:02<witte>marcot: no, just kidding, but i also pretend to search for bugs...
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18:04<renginez02>yes....thanks witte and toaster and dlal the ppl, i had successfully installed debian etch now, on desktop currently, but it wouldnt let me change the resolution, now its 640x4xx.... and my sound device coulnt be detected...
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18:05<knoppix__>sudo isntall
18:05<witte>marcot: at this moment, i have 4 machines running unstable, but i'll move my laptop to testing, as it always has some issues when i need it (often abroad without network)
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18:05<witte>!tell renginez02 about drxx
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18:05<marcot>witte: but your reason to use sid is just to find more bugs?
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18:06<renginez02>open terminal and run? shall i be connected to the internet?
18:06<Guest500>sudo install
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18:06<witte>marcot: well, more or less, and i like it when i run bleeding edge stuff...
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18:07<witte>renginez02: yes in a terminal, no network needed
18:07<witte>renginez02: don't think so
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18:07<marcot>witte: but does it makes a difference, testing and sid? That's why I asked if I could see the difference in a list, cause 10 days seems so few to me.
18:08<renginez02>debians kinda pretty dough...;-)
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18:08<witte>marcot: there are packages in sid that break terrible, while in testing, everything should at least install and leave your system in a reasonable state
18:09<marcot>witte: I remember having some bad days in sid.
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18:09<marcot>witte: but are there such good things to worth this?
18:09<dpkg>well, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>.
18:10<witte>!sid faq
18:10<dpkg> or (backup)
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18:14<marcot>witte: thanks.
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18:16<renginez02>i do the dpkg thingy whitte, it still doesnt work...
18:17<witte>renginez02: look in the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors, and upload it to a pastebin if you don't understand them
18:17<witte>!tell renginez02 about pastebin
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18:19<witte>renginez02: look for warnings (WW) and errors (EE)
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18:30<cwood>Now here's a tangentially Debian question... if you wanted a three button (no wheel) mouse to cut and paste conveniently in X, where would you buy one?
18:31<dondelelcaro>cwood: online?
18:32<dondelelcaro>cwood: logitech made one
18:32<cwood>Grr. Apparently so.
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18:32<cwood>Have a brand name on that?
18:32<cwood>I have two, but they're dying.
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18:33<dondelelcaro>cwood: I generally just use two button wheel mice, and use the wheel to paste, though
18:33<cwood>Yeah. I I prefer no wheel at all, though. They seem scarce.
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18:34<dondelelcaro>cwood: dunno, I've got a couple around, but they're mechanical mice, which I don't much like
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18:35<dondelelcaro>(I don't think anyone has made three button optical mice)
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18:36<dondelelcaro>cwood: <-- here you go. ;-)
18:36<witte>89 dollars for a mouse? wow
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18:40<renginez02>ok thanks witte, the resolution thingy work when i the sound is the main culprit
18:40<renginez02>it couclnt detect the sound hardware...
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18:41<witte>!alsa checklist
18:41<dpkg>1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation.
18:41<witte>renginez02: normally the first thing should be enough
18:41<witte>alsaconf is in the alsa-utils package
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18:49<blarson>aptitude is giving me another reason to hate it. Is there any way to tell it "yes, I really meant it to try harder the last 5 times, don't ask me again?"
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18:50<kop>blarson: There's probably apt knobs for that sort of thing. man apt
18:50<dondelelcaro>blarson: Aptitude::CmdLine::Fix-Broken
18:51<blarson>It's already 30 min into the session...
18:52<themill>blarson: what have you done to your machine?
18:52<amorphous>does anyone else have problems with cdroms being detected as empty with fresh 64bit install??
18:52<blarson>themill: trying to upgrade sarge->etch
18:53<kop>blarson : You're following the upgrade instructions?
18:53<themill>blarson: and is this a particularly old machine that is starved of RAM? or do you have lots of non-debian packages installed too?
18:53<witte>blarson: did you follow the guidelines (/msg dpgk sarge->etch)?
18:53*cwood flees to play with mice. Thank you!
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18:54<blarson>kop: yes, I'm following the upgrade instructions, modified slightly so it wouldn't uninstall half my system.
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18:55<blarson>so I added a few packages on the "aptitude install libmfam0" step.
18:55<themill>blarson: it shouldn't try to uninstall half your system at all....
18:55<blarson>Now I'm trying the "aptitude dist-upgrade" step.
18:56<blarson>themill: install instructions don't assume you use olvwm...
18:56<themill>blarson: why should that be a problem?
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18:56<blarson>That and related packages were what it wanted to uninstall.
18:57<themill>blarson: how did you install them to begin with?
18:57<blarson>themill: dselect
18:57<themill>blarson: oh joy.
18:58<amorphous>I can't read any dvd/cd's in a fresh install of 64bit etch. Does anyone know why this could be?
19:00<witte>amorphous: can you mount them?
19:02<amorphous>witte - they appear to be mounted, --they are coming up on the desktop. etch just they're all empty
19:03<witte>amorphous: are they listed when you type mount? µ
19:04<amorphous>witte - no
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19:04<amorphous>and they're not in /proc/partitions
19:04<witte>amorphous: so they are not mounted: do "mount /cdrom"
19:05<witte>amorphous: or look in /etc/fstab which directory should be mounted...
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19:06<amorphous>witte - mount /cdrom seems to mount it.
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19:06<amorphous>fstab says hda onto cdrom0 udf,iso9668 user,noauto 0 0
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19:07<witte>amorphous: ah, and /cdrom is probably symlinked to /media/cdrom0...
19:07<witte>amorphous: so now it works as you would expect?
19:07<witte>probably there is a mount option as well in your gui interface?
19:08<amorphous>witte - yes. there is? would that be in gconf?
19:08<amorphous>witte but why is it not mounting automatically?
19:08<witte>amorphous: there should be, but i don't know where it is
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19:09<amorphous>and does that override fstab?
19:09<witte>amorphous: because you have noauto in fstab?
19:09<witte>amorphous: isn't there a "mount disk" when you rightclick the icon on your desktop
19:09<witte>amorphous: i don't use gnome so i don't know much about the gui stuff...
19:11<witte>amorphous: it does not necessarily override fstab, it can mount is as a user once you have logged in, according to fstab rules...
19:11<amorphous>witte - no, there isnt :( it just seems to think it's a blank disk & brings up a burner gui
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19:12<witte>amorphous: maybe install gnome-volume-manager or something similar
19:12<dpkg>Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>.
19:12<witte>and ask someone who actually uses gnome :P
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19:14<xid>witte, for cdroms case is not recomended to be mounted in booting proccess
19:14<bighornram>Can someone recommend a debian package to send email reminders. Maybe a php web-server interface?
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19:15<renginez02>sound still not detected...after entering alsaconf, foloow the onscreen i saw 2 sound hardware Power mac and another one is leagcy PnP....i chose power mac, as it says legacy will cause system unstable....and all done still the sound icon has a red x on it...
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19:16<witte>xid: no, i guess not, did i say he had to do that?
19:16<witte>xid: that was in any case not my intention ;-)
19:17<witte>renginez02: run alsamixer and check your mixer is not muted
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19:19<xid>witte, no where sure , only a little suggestion >>witte> amorphous: because you have noauto in fstab?
19:19<witte>xid: ah, ok
19:20<witte>xid: i see your point, that can be misinterpreted.
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19:20<xid>I hope not
19:21<witte>amorphous: the noauto in your /etc/fstab will make that your cdrom is not automatically mounted at boot, which is a good thing (because you want to use your volume manager to do that, and do it as normal user)
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19:22<xid>and fore more system security, is better to do that in userland
19:23<xid>and for*
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19:24<xid>and shorter the boot procces
19:25<amorphous>xid - it doesn't seem to matter what combination I use, it still won;t mount. if i make noauto into auto, it still wont mount
19:25<renginez02>how to cek my mixer is not muted, i see some bars with color but dun noe how to config
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19:27<witte>renginez02: you change using the arrows on your keyboard. If a bar has a color, it is not zero...
19:27<witte>renginez02: if you prefer kmix, you can use that as well...
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19:29<renginez02>my master i set 100 but the pc spearker bar remains 00 although i try to increase it...
19:29<witte>renginez02: speaker is the internal speaker of your pc, you don't need to set that one
19:30<witte>renginez02: just master and pcm must be non zero in most cases
19:30<witte>and if that not works, maybe ask at the ppc channel, there they will have ibooks with sound
19:30<witte>or google first
19:30<dpkg>ppc is probably is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out or visit #debianppc
19:30<renginez02>ok....both r none zero...but still the no sound...
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19:31<xid>amorphous, so is correct, you may mount it indirectly useing yours applications (like in sound classe or brosero)
19:31<witte>renginez02: it was just a guess, sometimes it is simply the volume
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19:32<renginez02>so i meaant my volume havent increase?
19:33<witte>renginez02: can you "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp"?
19:33<witte>does that make a lot of noise?
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19:34<amorphous>xid: ok, it would seen that it does nothing
19:34<renginez02>theres sound.
19:34<xid>amorphous, check you user is in cdrom group | cat /etc/group |grep cdrom
19:34<renginez02>sum television sound...
19:34<amorphous>xid - i can mount it by hand/command line
19:35<renginez02> do i stop it...n it will solve the problem?
19:35<amorphous>xid, yep. am in cdrom group. all 3 users are
19:36<witte>renginez02: ctrl-c
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19:36<amorphous>and fstab option is the same as on an ubuntu box i have here (except for hda/sda difference
19:36<witte>renginez02: it is just a test, it means your card can make sound (you experienced white noise)
19:36<xid>amorphous, paste the ouput of cat /etc/group |grep cdrom
19:36<renginez02> woke my wife now i can play music?
19:37<witte>renginez02: it should just work
19:37<themill>renginez02: you'd better make it soothing music...
19:37<witte>renginez02: why do you think it doesn't
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19:38<amorphous_>amorphous@ocho:~$ cat /etc/group |grep cdrom
19:38<amorphous_>xid ^
19:38<amorphous_>xid - is that about what's expected?
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19:39<xid>allow to that user to mount cdrom
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19:39<renginez02>i tried to play the cd it gave me an error (Error playing CD,.....Reason : Culd not Open CD device for reading)
19:40<witte>renginez02: you have to admit that this error has nothing to do with the sound but with the cd device...
19:40<amorphous>xid - sorry - not sure i understand
19:40<renginez02>u mean the cd itself? but i played in mac it works like charm...
19:40<amorphous>xid can ijoin a group to a group?
19:41<xid>users* in cdrom:x:24:amorphous,ocho,music may use the cdrom
19:41<witte>renginez02: i mean you probably need to mount the cd or something
19:41<witte>renginez02: don't you have a music file somewhere?
19:42<amorphous_> xid - they are the only users on the system
19:42<xid>amorphous, ok
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19:42<witte>renginez02: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Rear_Center.wav
19:43<renginez02>yes it work....probably i did not mount it or sumtin...
19:43<renginez02>thanks guy it help me alot....but the sound icon with the x is just so irritating
19:44<witte>renginez02: remove the icon
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19:45<renginez02>naw ill keep it for deco and live with it....btw whats the increase key (combination) for linux debian>?
19:46<renginez02>like mac F4 = decrease, F5 = increase..?
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19:47<witte>renginez02: increase what?
19:47<renginez02>oh sorry the volume i meant
19:47<amorphous>xid - no - no joy... the machine won't mount the cdrom. it'll come up onto the desktop, but will claim theres nothing on it
19:48<xid>amorphous, I'm out from now, good luck
19:48<witte>renginez02: don't know, could be that is hardware determined, otherwise you can assign any key to it...
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19:48<amorphous>xid -- ok - thanks
19:48<xid>amorphous, or put a cdrom in
19:48<renginez02>how do i assign it? sorry im new in linux...but its pretty as vista dough/...
19:51<witte>renginez02: don't know that, but i don't doubt you can find stuff about that via google ;-)
19:52<amorphous>xid tried music, cdrom, dvd - all just claim 'blank disk' on the desktop, but don't mount it (although icon is there) -- if i mount it by hand then it will mount, but cdrom icon on desktop still says blank cd-RW disk
19:52<renginez02>oh yeah...the last could i detect my pcmcia wifi card in linux.?
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19:53<witte>renginez02: depends: with lspci you can see what hardware is detected
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19:53<renginez02>lspci? is it a nother command?
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19:53<witte>or you can use lspcmcia which is in the pcmciautils package
19:54<witte>renginez02: you should check for your wireless card, and depending on which it is, it is already working, and you just need to configure it, or it is easy to install, or will never work :-)
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19:58<renginez02>i typed lspci (full of words...dunno how to detect it)....and typed lspcmcia nothing happened..?
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19:59<witte>renginez02: upload lspci to a pastebin
19:59<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
19:59<renginez02>wheres the pastebin at?
20:00<azeem>uhm, dpkg just said
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20:02<renginez02>u meant upload the result via the link given?
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20:09<Kerz>how do i change the screen resolution?
20:09<azeem>Kerz: to higher or lower?
20:09<azeem>that usually involves reconfiguring
20:10<Kerz>it was on 1024x something now its on 640x480 (dunno why)
20:10<azeem>what did you change?
20:10<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
20:10<Kerz>nothin i just booted and it changed by itself
20:11<witte>Kerz: are you using the nvidia or the ati driver?
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20:11<Kerz>hmm i dunno...
20:11<azeem>Kerz: check /etc/X11/xorg.conf
20:11<witte>Kerz: did you do anything special to install those
20:11<Kerz>motherboard integrated vid card
20:12<witte>Kerz: or did you just install debian without anything special
20:12<witte>(special in the sense of special for your graphical environment)
20:13<witte>Kerz: if nothing special, try the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg command and restart X (ctrl-alt-backspace)
20:13<Kerz>? u mean like gnome and such?
20:13<azeem>02:08 < azeem> Kerz: check /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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20:14*witte thinks Kerz tried ctrl-alt-backspace
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20:14<renginez02>witte : i copied the file and try to open on my windows computer, but i see nothing and it has 0kb? btw, the sound is not works only after i typed the alsaconf....after restart the problem occurs...
20:14<Kerz>ok ctrl+alt+backspace worked
20:15<Kerz>its back to normal now
20:15<RogueX>how doo i install themes ?
20:15<Kerz>thx (sry if my english was bad)
20:15<witte>renginez02: which file did you copy?
20:15<RogueX>this orange one is ugly
20:15<azeem>RogueX: which version of Ubuntu?
20:15<witte>azeem: lol
20:15<RogueX>8.04 LTS
20:15<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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20:16<witte>renginez02: ok, try this: lspci |grep -i net
20:16<renginez02>the lspci result that i copied and paste and save as txt. file
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20:17<dimmer>Hi All, I was curious if it's possible to store SHA hashes in passwd or shadow in Debian. I hear some distros support it, but it doesn't appear that debian does.
20:17<witte>renginez02: do you have a network connection on that machine?
20:17<witte>renginez02: like a cable connection to the internet?
20:18<renginez02>umm...currently no, im using it on this windows and the cable is short...
20:18<azeem>02:12 < witte> renginez02: ok, try this: lspci |grep -i net
20:18<renginez02>unless i put on the floor or sumtin...but ill be disconnected from this chat,,,
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20:18<witte>renginez02: ^^ that should give you one or two lines, just type them here
20:19<renginez02>ok ill try
20:20<witte>renginez02: if you notice one that is certainly a wireless card, only type that one in this window ;-)
20:21<renginez02>well i saw (Host bridge, class ff00, USB controller, USB controller, Host bridge, Firewire (IEE 1394), Ethernet controller)
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20:21<renginez02>so which one do u think..i think theres none..
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20:21<witte>renginez02: ethernet controller can be the cable connection or the wireless
20:21<witte>is there one or more?
20:22<azeem>did you do the "| grep -i net" part?
20:22<renginez02>no more n less......but under Ethernet : it seems to be appla hardware, so i assume its the LAN not the wifi, cus the brand of the wifi is teletronics under Zcomax chip (prism)..
20:23<azeem>renginez02: is it on board or an external pc-card?
20:23<renginez02>external pcmcia card. not onboard
20:24<azeem>witte: he said pcmcia all along
20:24<renginez02>the grep part doesnt work for me
20:24<witte>mine shows up in lspci
20:24<azeem>!doesn't work
20:24<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
20:24<azeem>witte: your pcmcia card?
20:24<witte>azeem: and i asked him about lspcmcia but it did not return anything
20:24<witte>azeem: i think so :-), will check
20:25<azeem>maybe it said command not found
20:25<renginez02>yes it did not return anything
20:25<renginez02>should i like, edit the source of the driver and then use the lspci to cek>?
20:25<azeem>renginez02: you talked about ethernet above, so it would return that
20:25<azeem>renginez02: which driver?
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20:25<renginez02>i saw this guy does the same here :([17179634.052000] orinoco 0.15 (David Gibson <-unavailable->, Pavel Roskin <-unavailable->, et al)
20:25<renginez02>[17179634.064000] orinoco_cs 0.15 (David Gibson <-unavailable->, Pavel Roskin <-unavailable->, et al)
20:25<renginez02>[17179634.216000] eth0: Hardware identity 8002:0000:0001:0000
20:25<renginez02>[17179634.216000] eth0: Station identity 001f:0001:0001:0007
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20:28<witte>azeem: confirmed: my ralink rt61 shows up in lspci ;-)
20:28<renginez>sorry guys, i accidently paste the lspci command of sumones.
20:28<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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20:29<witte>renginez: or just link the site you are looking at, it is already online...
20:29<renginez>link like how pal?
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20:29<amorphous>Hmmm.. anyone else havmy e any idea why e any idea why fresh etch install can'r seem to mount properly?
20:30<witte>renginez: paste the link here of the page you are looking at?
20:31<witte>renginez: but that doesn't matter, we want to know which card you have
20:31<amorphous>Hmmm.. anyone else have any idea why my fresh etch install can't seem to mount cd's properly? it thinks they're all blank. I can mount them by hand, but theers no recognition of tracks in juicer....
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20:36<renginez> (this is the link) im using teletronic XI-300 same as zcomax XI-300 which uses PRISM chipset, but hteres some orinocco stuff...confuse however heres the link (
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20:40<witte>renginez: dmesg | grep -i orin
20:40<witte>renginez: dmesg |grep -i prism
20:40<witte>renginez: does one of these two commands return something?
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20:42<witte>renginez: i am going to stop guessing what is in your pc
20:42<witte>renginez: connect it to the internet, log in to a irc client on debian (xchat is ok, but there are many others)
20:43<renginez>im oredi doin it here...
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20:43<witte>next upload the output of dmesg, lspci and ifconfig -a to a pastebin
20:43<renginez>btw how do i insert a pcmcia source in debian? if i can insert, i think ill have no problems.
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20:44<renginez>the instruction gave me some (make install) command, but it doesnt work
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20:44<witte>renginez: i don't understand, just install pcmciautils
20:45<renginez>ummm....where do i get it?
20:46<witte>renginez: aptitude install pcmciautils?
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20:47<renginez>its all 0
20:47<renginez>none install, none remove and none upgrade
20:47<witte>renginez: ok, so it is installed
20:47<witte>renginez: now upload the stuff to a pastebin
20:51<renginez>ummm....the pastebin web seems to be not workable
20:51<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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20:51<witte> is probably the easiest one
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20:57<renginez>btw how do i extract the tar.gz file using the root command? i tried (tar xvfz orinoco-0.15.tar.gz) it tries to load but nothing occurs...
20:58<witte>renginez: are you going to upload those things or not?
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21:00<renginez>yes im trying to upload sir.
21:01<renginez>but it showed nothing in windows...
21:01<amphi>renginez: f must be the paramter before the filename
21:02<amphi>renginez: eg. tar zxvf orinoco-0.15.tar.gz
21:02<witte>amphi: he does not yet know if he has an orinoco card...
21:02<witte>renginez: did you connect your debian machine to the net?
21:03<witte>renginez: it would make it a lot easier for everyone
21:03<amphi>witte: ah - I just saw the tar query above
21:03<renginez> i try uploading using windows the web showed me (Sorry, but the file you sent has more than 10% binary characters in it. We're guessing that means it is a binary file, and not a text file. It will be ignored.)
21:04<renginez>amphi : keep the f in the xvfz i need to replace the filename?
21:05<amphi>renginez: eh? 'f' is an arg to tar to specify the filename of a tar archive
21:06<dpkg>rumour has it, orinoco is a linux-supported wireless device, or, or secondary (station) firmware is unable to be flashed in GNU/Linux. Firmware is available from <>, Agere 7.xx and 8.xx firmwares are buggy in monitor mode, use <= 6.16 for this feature. Also ask about <orinoco usb>.
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21:07<witte>renginez: normally you will have the orinoco drivers (if you would need them) and you would only need the firmware
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21:11<renginez>ok im uploadin now....( heres the link...i typed it in my notepad, exactly no mistakes...uh ah.
21:12<renginez>amphi : so how i should type it? the instruction says (LINUX-WLAN DRIVER
21:12<renginez>Please install the pre-compiled linux-wlan driver with the following procedures:
21:12<renginez>tar xvfz linux-wl24ap-cs-0.1.15-compiled-mdk8.1.tar.gz
21:12<renginez>cd linux-wl24ap-cs-0.1.15-compiled
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21:13*witte needs a whisky
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21:14<renginez>amphi : so whats the actual way to do the tar.gz thing? it says (Please install the pre-compiled linux-wlan driver with the following procedures:)
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21:14<renginez>amphi : tar xvfz linux-wl24ap-cs-0.1.15-compiled-mdk8.1.tar.gz
21:14<renginez>witte : how do i install the orinoco firmware? and have u viewd the uploaded last only 30mins
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21:17<Bladesman>Is there a special reason why alsa either works or doesn't after a reboot now in Debian?
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21:18<Bladesman>Seems like neither alsi or module utils doesn't have a reset/restart option any more.
21:19<amphi>renginez: did you read what I wrote above?
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21:20<renginez>sorry just now i accidently quited, so the logs are lost...mind repeat pal....real sorry
21:20*Bladesman hrmns. The more linux starts looking like Windows, the more it seems to act like it.
21:21<amphi>renginez: ah - < amphi> renginez: eg. tar zxvf orinoco-0.15.tar.gz
21:21<witte>renginez: the thing you needed to upload was the output of lspci, ifconfig -a and dmesg
21:21<witte>but you wont type that over
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21:22<renginez>ummm....can i like take a screenshot n show it? cus its kinda hard for me to connect the net from debian...i dun have spare cables..
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21:22<witte>renginez: yes
21:23<witte>last one is for pictures
21:23<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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21:24<renginez>amphi : im kinda newbie, i do not understand...mind explain it simpler...sorry.
21:25<Hideo>renginez: you use one of those sites that dpkg said to upload your screenshot or your paste
21:25<JSergey>how to reduce reserved space (only for root) on reiserfs?
21:25<Hideo>and then you paste the url in the channel
21:26<renginez>hideo : i understand the paste part but not the tar.gz part
21:26<witte>Hideo: he knows, but he wants to use irc on windows, and can't connect his debian box to the net
21:26<Hideo>oops, I'm not paying attention, sorry :P
21:27<witte>renginez: so you are certain you have a card with an orinoco chipset?
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21:30<renginez> certain it has prism chipset. orinoco im not sure, but it says in sum web i surveyed
21:30<renginez>woah the dmesg part is long...
21:31<xid>renginez, the win machine is a laptop too ?
21:31<renginez>nope its not...its a desktop
21:31<bighornram>I am having trouble resetting my root password of mysql. I get Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: (NO) how can I reset the password?
21:32<Hideo>what do lspci and lspcmcia say?
21:32<Hideo>^ renginez
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21:33<jake>how to make ntfs-3g work?
21:33<gsimmons>!tell bighornram -about forgot mysql root password
21:34<jake>or how do i see my ntfs partition?
21:34<dpkg>well, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about <> for instructions and see Usage examples:
21:34<witte>jake: which debian version do you use?
21:34<jake>kernel 2.6.18
21:35<renginez>Hideo: lspcmcia says nothing
21:35<jake>it says it need libfuse2 which i installed
21:35<witte>jake: so you need to add to your sources.list, and get ntfs-3g from there
21:35<jake>but still
21:35<witte>!tell jake about
21:35<jake>wait i'll show u my sources.list
21:35<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
21:35<jake>i know
21:35<renginez>Hideo: lspci says sumtin but ill upload the pic soon, im half way taking screen shot for the dmesg (its sooo loong...)
21:36<witte>jake: i did not want you to be kicked :P
21:37<Hideo>renginez: you could have copy /var/log/dmesg on to a usb drive and upload it from your windows box
21:37<jake>its showing me this
21:37<jake> ntfs-3g: Depends: libfuse2 (>= 2.6) but 2.5.3-4.4 is to be installed
21:38<gsimmons>jake: You forgot to specify the target release (ie. -t etch-backports) in your apt-get command.
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21:38<jake>oh yes
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21:39<jake>cool works now
21:39<jake>i m a noob :)
21:40<renginez>Hideo: Its ok i done all the screenshot...i du not want witte to be harden....picture mite make a lil fun and not bored to be viewed ;-)
21:41<renginez>witte: heres the link for lspci (
21:43<renginez>heres the ifconfig (
21:43<Hideo>so that orinoco card is not a pcmcia card?
21:43<gsimmons>renginez: Is this from your iBook G3?
21:43<jake>how do i upgrade my kernel?
21:43<renginez>ummm nope, its the pcmcia card im talki n all long
21:43<witte>jake: apt-get install linux-image...
21:44<witte>renginez: you have two network cards working
21:44<renginez>gsimmons: yes its from my ibook g3....commonly it won't work but theres this web it has source for it under linux
21:44<witte>jake: apt-cache search linux-image to list available ones
21:44<renginez>witte: so do i need to upload the dmesg for u? umm cus its kinda long.
21:45<witte>renginez: you may, i will have a look
21:45<gsimmons>renginez: I have the 500mhz ("dual USB") model. Your wireless card is _not_ PCMCIA, it's a proprietary Apple Airport. However, it is an Orinoco card and is supported by the 'airport' module (which uses 'orinoco' as a dependency). The drivers are already present in the 2.6.18 kernel.
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21:46<renginez>gsimmons: im not sure what kernel im under, how do i check?
21:46<jake>just wanted to know if 2.6.24-l-amd64 works fine
21:46<gsimmons>renginez: uname -r
21:46<jake>does it? witte
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21:47<renginez>gsimmons: yes it is 2.6.18, but why does the driver could not be found? how do i execute it?
21:47<witte>jake: yeah, i guess so, i use 2.6.25 at the moment
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21:49<jake>witte, my windows crashed giving that "blue screen of death" as always and when i try to reboot it hangs after "loading xp" screen..
21:49<renginez>witte: this is the dmesg (,
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21:50<witte>renginez: it seems your card is enabled, you have a eth0 and a eth1
21:50<jake>witte, so unable to use mount
21:50<Canadian>can anyone give me an idea of how big the following folders should be?.../proc /lib/ and / sys
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21:51<Canadian>mine are .. /proc 898Mb /sys 226 Mb and /lib 151Mb
21:51<renginez>witte: heres the dmesg (
21:51<witte>renginez: stop
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21:51<renginez>or ill be kicked
21:51<jake>witte, soryy .. unable to use ntfs-3g.. it asks me to use -o force
21:52<renginez>gsimmons: did i miss ur msg? cus i'd been kicked accidently...
21:52<witte>jake: check the page on ntfs-3g dpkg mentioned before, i only have linux partitions...
21:52<gsimmons>renginez: Provided you receive output from "lsmod | grep orinoco" and have an 'eth1' interface (default naming, use "ifconfig -a" to verify), the necessary drivers are loaded. You just need to configure the interface as appropriate for your wireless network.
21:53<jake>witte, also why do the icons in linux look so big?
21:53<witte>gsimmons: (
21:53<Hideo>what's up with that sda, sdb attempt to access beyond end of device in renginez's dmesg
21:53<witte>jake: that depends on your window manager
21:53<witte>jake: you can change whatever you want about that :-)
21:53<jake>ya? where is it?
21:53<witte>Hideo: i saw it as well, looks pretty bad :(
21:54<witte>jake: depends on the windowmanager you are using...
21:54<Hideo>I've never seen that message before, wondering if his hd is busted
21:54<renginez>i had eth0: and eth1:
21:54<renginez>gsimmons: ^^^
21:54<jake>witte, i m not sure i know that...
21:55<jake>witte, hw to know that?
21:55<renginez>gsimmons: you mite wanna view this (
21:55<xid>jake, just google for
21:55<renginez>sda and sdb?
21:56<witte>jake: probably gnome
21:56<witte>jake: there will be some kind of gui config tool that allows you to change these things
21:56<Hideo>renginez: it's another seperate problem, for now focus on what you're doing.
21:56<gsimmons>renginez: Well, it's one of them. Install the 'wireless-tools' package and run iwconfig to determine the interface with support for wireless extensions. Then configure the interface once determined.
21:56<jake>ya gnome i m using
21:57<renginez>gsimmons: wireless tools? i should write that in the command? or download?
21:57<witte>renginez: or use the network-admin tool
21:57<witte>renginez: maybe everything is already installed...
21:57<renginez>Hideo: im a lil freak my hd got probs?
21:57<Hideo>try typing iwconfig in console and see what happens
21:57<jake>is there any need of a reboot after the kernel update?
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21:58<gsimmons>renginez: 'wireless-tools' is the package to download/install (via apt-get/aptitude), iwconfig is the command to execute.
21:58<Hideo>renginez: I think so, but I've never seen that message before, witte might have
21:58<renginez>Hideo: No wireless extension after typing iwconfig
21:58<blarson>jake: yes, strongly recomended.
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21:59<Hideo>so he's got no wireless interface
21:59<witte>renginez: that indeed looks like end of life for a disk
21:59<renginez>gsimmons: so i should type "aptitude wireless-tools"
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21:59<gsimmons>renginez: aptitude install wireless-tools
21:59<renginez>witte: ummm i did shut down half way installing debian before....does that affect it?
21:59<lolinux>can anyone please help me with something?
22:00<Hideo>if it says now wireless extension, it's already installed
22:00<witte>renginez: it shouldn't
22:00<renginez>gsimmons: Nothing is installed, nothing is removed and othing is upgraded...
22:00<gsimmons>renginez: Then you likely have it installed. Run iwconfig.
22:01<renginez>witte: if its the end of the life, how come im using it now? the problem will come soon>?
22:01<Canadian>any ideas on where to start digging for a full / partition?
22:01<renginez>gsimmons: still no wireless extension
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22:01<witte>renginez: end of life is not dead (yet)
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22:02<renginez>gsimmons: no wireless extension....(edit)
22:02<renginez>witte: end of life means? going to be dead soon?
22:02<witte>renginez: but you should use a hard disk check on that disk
22:02<witte>renginez: maybe it is something else
22:02<witte>renginez: could be
22:02<kop>Canadian : ?
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22:03<renginez>witte: how can i save the hard disk? can i put in the fridge like anyone else?
22:03<witte>renginez: that does not save a disk
22:03<renginez>witte: how do i sue hard disk to check on the disk?
22:03<witte>do you have anything special on itNµ
22:03<kop>renginez : smartmontools, if it's supported by the disk
22:03<renginez>witte: how do i cek*
22:03<gsimmons>renginez: Was "no wireless extensions" listed for both eth0 and eth1? We don't care about the other interfaces.
22:04<renginez>gsimmons: yes both of them..
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22:04<Hideo>back up and prepare to buy a new hdd
22:04<renginez>kop: smartmontools can save the disk? how do i get it?
22:04<kop>witte : Very rarely, putting a drive in the freezer will change the geometry enough that data can be recovered. (Or maybe mess with the controlling circuitry.)
22:05<witte>kop: yes, but it does not safe it, you can get some data from it (maybe if you are lucky) but it wont remain decent
22:05<kop>renginez : First thing, if you think the disk is going bad, don't do anything but back it up. (remount it read-only first)
22:05<kop>renginez : smartmontools will run on-drive diagnostics and report results and how likely the drive thinks it is that the drive will fail.
22:05<witte>kop: this is his dmesg output:
22:05<renginez>ok...(but the disk...i mean so far im using it without any problems..)
22:06<witte>kop: maybe you know if it is a mild error or really something bad
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22:06<renginez>witte: normal wise it suppose to be hda rite? not sda?
22:06<jake>using ntfs-3g is safe right? any cases of damages?
22:07<claude>/dev/hda1 264445 254803 0 100% /
22:07<claude>completely full
22:07<renginez>gsimmons: so if both eth0: and eth1: says no wireless extension file means its not detected?)
22:07<Hideo>renginez: for your disk problem try doing this "touch /forcefsck" and reboot the machine
22:07*witte thinks, /dev/sda could be the cdrom as well...
22:07<claude>kop i rebooted just as you messaged me.
22:08<witte>renginez: that depends
22:08<witte>claude: apt-get autoclean
22:08<kop>witte, renginez : That's a strange error to get with media failure, imho. I'd be more likely to think that somethings weird elsewhere than media. Anyhow I'd surely begin by backing up any (and all) data.
22:08<renginez>Hideo: u sure it won't die after the reboot?
22:08<kop>claude : du -sh /*
22:08<Hideo>renginez: no, no guarantees
22:09<renginez>Hideo: what does it do? i mean the command?
22:09<witte>renginez: can you make a picture of "df -h"
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22:09<Hideo>renginez: it forces a filesystem check
22:09<Hideo>renginez: but I guess you may wanna back up first before doing anything
22:10<kop>Hideo : Not always a good idea to access the data if the drives wonky. More fiddling on the drive can make things worse. Best backup first.
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22:10<renginez>Hideo: i had nothing i just installed the OS freshly....but i wanna try the wifi thing before it died....
22:11<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
22:11<kop>renginez : The odd thing is that you're seeing problems on both sdb and sda. This is sata?
22:11<renginez>if i aint mistaken its atapi....mite be sata too...
22:12<gsimmons>renginez: Just reading through scrollback. Uh, just to confirm, you bought a wireless PCMCIA (ie. not Apple AirPort), _modified_ it, installed it in your iBook, and want us to get it working for you?
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22:12<claude>kop i cant join #flood to post the results.
22:12<kop>renginez : I thought atapi was just for cd drives. ?
22:12<kop>!tell claude -about pastebin
22:13<eljefe>How long will running "md5sum --binary " take against a 50GB tar.gz file take? Will it consume and overwhelm the 2GB of RAM? A 9GB md5sum (not binary) took about 10m I think, will the 50GB just take 5x as long?
22:13<renginez>gsimmons: lol...not exactly want u all to get it work for me...i just ned to knwo how to paste the source in the linux...thats all pal..
22:13<claude>tell claude -about pastebin
22:13<renginez>kop: oops my how do i cek wheter its sata or wat?
22:13<kop>renginez : hang on
22:14<renginez>kop: ok
22:14<renginez>gsimmons: i got the source but i dun noe how to extract it via root....using the tar command
22:15<Hideo>what modifications did you do to the card?
22:15<jake>hey i cant see all my files when i mount the drive with ntfs-3g. what could be the reason?
22:15<Hideo>tar xzvf blah.tar.gz
22:15<claude>kop its at
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22:16<jake>my music folder is not there... is it possible that its gone :(
22:16<kop>renginez : You look in /proc/somethingoranother
22:17*jake is having a panic attack
22:17<xid>jake, just google for
22:17<kop>renginez : Is it possible that the drives are jumpered oddly? Or maybe something on the controller? (I forget my sata jumpers etc.)
22:18<jake>google for what xid... everything can be found on google
22:18<renginez>Hideo: naw....just make it shorter, a lil fiddling and pop it in, i see theres power light, but the link led does not blink yet as i need the driver...(btw where i suppose to copy&paste the blah.tar.gz file at? at my documents, my computer...etc etc..)?
22:18<xid>jake, just google for music
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22:18<renginez>kop: ok let me check 1st k.
22:19<kop>claude : It's telling you there's 1.4G in /var. That's a bit big, try doing the same thing for var: du -sh /var/*
22:19<Hideo>renginez: I'm not following, I thought you wanted to extract the tar file on linux and not windows?
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22:20<claude>kop /var is its own partition.
22:20<claude>/dev/hda6 2885780 1512096 1227096 56% /var
22:20<kop>claude : (I was just writing about that :-)
22:20<renginez>Hideo: owh my bad, i meant the tar file for example ..orinoco-0.15.tar.gz..this file should be place where under which directory only the command able to detect the file?)
22:21<claude>kop sorry i'll be more patient.
22:21<kop>renginez : You'll also want to look in /var/log/messages to see if the system is telling you something about your drives there.
22:21<Hideo>renginez: wherever, you just cd into that and extract it
22:21<kop>claude : No worries.
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22:22<kop>claude : So, what is in / that's bigger than you expect? Your problem is that / is full, right?
22:22<kop>claude : You use du -sh to check sizes until you find the culprit.
22:22<renginez>extract it via the icon itself or from the command prompt by typing (tar xzvf blah.tar.gz)?
22:23<renginez>kop: ok ill do that after my rebbot.
22:23<Hideo>renginez: from the command prompt, you can probably do it from your desktop environment but I've never used it
22:23<claude>i've got it down to /lib /sys and /proc
22:24<Hideo>aren't /sys/ and /proc/ virtuals and just 0?
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22:25<claude>however du returnes 0 for /proc and /sys
22:25<kop>claude : Yah, /proc and /sys are "inside the kernel".
22:26<claude>ok, so that leave /lib/ at 159 Mb, and /etc at 24Mb both are reasonable.
22:27<Hideo>claude: if you want to slim down, one good package to look at is localepurge
22:27<kop>claude : What does "df -h" say about what's mounted and what's full? Just checking that it says what you expect.
22:27<claude>i added the df output to pastebin
22:27<kop>claude : Are your partitions the size you think they are and are they mounted. (i.e. If you don't have /var mounted but it's taking up space on / then that's the problem.
22:29<claude>looks ok from here, bu thave a peek at
22:29<renginez>kop: lol......does a so called-usb drive (mp4 player) affects the result of dmesg command?
22:29<kop>claude : (It'd help if you also pasted the commands)
22:29<kop>renginez : Yup. Those come out as sdX devices.
22:30<claude>appended to the bottom
22:30<kop>renginez : You'd have had to have filled the thing to get those kind of errors, or maybe the hardware is a bit wack.
22:30<kop>claude : 11M is a bit small for a / partition.
22:31<Hideo>no, his / is on hda1 and it's full
22:31<claude>yeah hda1 is 259 Mb.
22:31<kop>claude : I don't think I'm looking at the right pastebin. What's the url again?
22:31<claude>which is still a bit tight.
22:32<kop>claude : Thanks.
22:32<Hideo>it says 100% used
22:32<renginez>kop: so its not a harddisk end life?
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22:33<kop>Hideo, claude : Now I'm thinking that claude needs to force an fsck on /. Where'd the space go?
22:34<kop>renginez : Not if it's an mp3 player.
22:34<Hideo>yeah he lost 10M
22:34<claude>my quick math of /etc + /lib + /boot =224M
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22:35<xid>claude : apt-get clean
22:35<claude>oh, journeled filesystem would that explain the lost bits.
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22:36<kop>claude : One thing is you've got more than one kernel in /boot or it wouldn't be so big. (I've not used "clean" but it sounds like something to try.)
22:36<kop>claude : by uninstalling the kernels you're not using you'd get some space back.
22:36<claude>just did, it purged a bunch of stuff, but none was on the partition affected.
22:36<kop>xid: clean in etch?
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22:36<claude>yep in etch.
22:37<kop>claude : I thought it was a package, not an option. You can clean the apt cache, but that's in /var.
22:37<renginez>kop: that should make my day...celebration i guess
22:37<kop>renginez : You should be able to correlate the messages with using the player.
22:38<kop>renginez : lsusb might also be enlightening as to what's plugged in where.
22:38<kop>claude : aptitude search ~ilinux-image
22:39<xid>claude, paste "cat /etc/fstab"
22:39<kop>claude : Are there kernels listed you're not using?
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22:39<kop>xid : has df -h output.
22:40<claude>yeap a bunch
22:41<claude>do i purge the with dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.x.x
22:44<renginez>How do i use the cd linux ****** command? and what does it means?
22:45<xid>not yet ...hehe
22:45<xid>claude, last link don't much
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22:46<xid>claude, last link don't work
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22:47<xid>claude, this is "du" not "df -h"
22:47<renginez>i do not understand this command (cd linux-wl24ap-cs-0.1.15-compiled) as run on roots?
22:47<Bladesman>Anyone know what the following means: Jun 17 14:08:55 gnuked identd[6943]: netlink_lookup: write failed: Connection refused.
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22:48<claude>df -h is below the du output
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22:49<claude>there that helped alot.
22:49<claude>/dev/hda1 259M 126M 120M 52% /
22:50<claude>i did a few dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.22-x-x
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22:52<claude>thanks for the help guys
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22:53<xid>claude, i'll reinstall , and i'll do clean partition table
22:55<xid>so / == 5 GB + swap =0.5 BG + /home the rest
22:55<renginez>can anybody tell me how do i extract a tar.gz file and install it from the command root? thanks...URGENT
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22:57<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>I bought a new battery for my laptop and the time remaining has to be wrong with 1h 45m remaining, there any way to reset it or something?
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22:59<Bladesman>renginez: tar -xfz <tarball>
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23:00<renginez>after do i use the install command to install files from the extracted folder?
23:02<Bladesman>cd to the folder. If it has an install command preceed the command with "./" ie: ./installcmd
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23:03<Bladesman>renginez: Otherwise the command must be somewhere in the binary file path. (/bin, /usr/bin, etc)
23:03<renginez>toasterboy: sup man...
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23:03<toasterboy>back at it
23:04<toasterboy>you get your desktop functioning?
23:04<renginez>Bladesman: so it will be ./install/bin?
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23:05<Bladesman>renginez: if the command is "installbin", yes.
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23:06<renginez>toasterboy: hell yeah man....but im stuck in sum stuff...but thanks alot man/
23:06<renginez>Bladesman: what if theres no .bin file in the folder?
23:07<toasterboy>i'm getting an error during a compile about CXX is missing. i've pasted the output to the paster. here is the url
23:07<toasterboy>what package is that saying I should insatll
23:07<Bladesman>You can "less" the command and see if you can tell what it does. It will prolly have shell commands that will do the installation.
23:08<toasterboy>disregard that
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23:08<toasterboy>g++ was missing
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23:09<Bladesman>renginez: if it doesn't work at all, you may need to 'chmod +x installbin'
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23:10<Bladesman>That will make the installbin program an executable file or a program/script.
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23:13<renginez>Bladesman: btw how do i detect wheter the file is installable or have any installation execuble file?
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23:13*Bladesman guesses renginez is either reading the script, or it werkt.
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23:16<renginez>Bladesman: im not sure wheter its script or not>?
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23:18<Bladesman>renginez: Be sure to 'apt-get install newbiedoc' and read it. It willl be in the /usr/share/doc/newbiedoc directory. If the install program isn't screen gibberish and looks like hand-typed commands, it's a script that contains shell commands.
23:18<Bladesman>What're you trying to install, anyway?
23:19<renginez>Bladesman: umm....some drivers for my pcmcia card. I'd been working for it quite a while...would u mind looking at the files and help me out abit..?
23:20<Bladesman>My DCC isn't working, and I'm blind as a bat besides.
23:21<Bladesman>If the first line you see in the file is #!/bin/sh, then it's a script.
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23:22<Bladesman>Isn't there a README file in the directory to read?
23:23<renginez>Bladesman: heres what i saw, (an icon with sh word on it = get_ezusb_fw and an icon with a perl word on it = parse_prism_ap_fw....the rest are more less the same, and some are showing blank page icon)....
23:23<Bladesman>What happens when you just run the script? (It's a perl script, btw).
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23:26<renginez>i tried to run but bothing happened...? btw heres what it says in the readme which i du not understand ( get_prism_ap_fw [perl script]....: Script to get AP (tertiary) firmware for Prism2 and Prism 2.5)...
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23:29*Bladesman would also copy the driver to /usr/local/lib for the hell of it and see if that worked
23:30<Bladesman>From the look of it, it just might be something to download and install the driver. I can't say.
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23:32<Bladesman>Maybe try to 'modprobe <drivername>' now? See if it loads the driver. and starts something working.
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23:33<Bladesman>Worst you'll get is a module not found message.
23:34<Bladesman>If it works, add the line to /etc/rc.local until you get more familiar with linux.
23:36*Bladesman jamz...
23:36<renginez>i tried modprobe airport i get nothign
23:37<Bladesman>renginez: Sorry. Don't think I can suggest anything more than I have.
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23:38<Bladesman>try one of the perl channels, maybe. They may know enough perl to help.
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23:38<renginez>mind giving me the channel?
23:39<brezhnev>./java_ee_sdk-5-linux.bin: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
23:39<Bladesman>Try /list *perl*
23:39<brezhnev>what mean??
23:40<Bladesman>#perl is one, and #debian-perl is the other.
23:40<renginez>btw i had a problem where my audio only works after i use the alsaconf as root. After every restart, ill have to ALSACONF...any ideas?
23:43*Bladesman grins. Edit /etc/group Scroll down to the audio and video groups and add your username after the colon.
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23:43<gsimmons>renginez: Known powerpc issue, see Debian installer errata. Add snd-powermac to /etc/modules.
23:43<Bladesman>You may need to logout and back in for it to take effect.
23:44<Bladesman>There's an addgroup command that does the same thing, but I'd rather just edit /etc/group.
23:45<renginez>gsimmons: how do i add snd-powermac? i need ot download debian installer errata? n do the command?
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23:45<renginez>Blades: so how do i do it? yes i tried reboot and the audio hardware could not detect again i have to do the ALSACONF
23:46<jake>hi ... is there no abdobe flash player for amd64?
23:46<jake>how do i use youtube?
23:46<jake>renginez, i have the same problem man
23:47<renginez>jake: have u solve it?
23:47<jake>audio doesn't get initialised i spent my whole day yesterday on this problem
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23:47<jake>still using alsaconf
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23:47<kop>renginez : You could use some basics. Start by typing: /msg dpkg grounding
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23:49<kop>renginez : (I can't say any of that will help with audio, because I don't know much about audio, but it'd help with your other questions.)
23:50<renginez>u mean type (user#/msg dpkg grounding) on the root?
23:50<kop>renginez : no, in irc. /msg dpkg is how you talk with the bot.
23:50<jake>renginez, u can check with their website... alsa
23:50<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, or <alsa firmware>
23:52<kop>jake: All I can say is that the last time that happened to me I had the sofware volume control turned all the way down.
23:53<jake>nope thats not the problem
23:53<jake>lsmod changes after doing alsaconf
23:55<jake>also before alsaconf /proc/asound/cards doesn't show the card i want to use
23:55<renginez>jake: smae goes to me exactly...
23:56<renginez>i thik ill get ubuntu, debian is such a pain in tha ***.
23:56<jake>this how i was yesterday man.... but once everything is set u will love it
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23:56<jake>i m still looking for this sound problem..
23:57<jake>renginez, what about flash?
23:57<jake>works for u? renginez
23:57<renginez>flash...hmm...t did not try, is it on the package?
23:58<jake>what machine u have?
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23:59<jake>u didn't have the screen resolution problem? renginez
23:59<renginez> the installer that has the problem itself??
23:59<renginez>jake: nope i solve it at last.
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