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---Logopened Wed Jun 18 00:00:02 2008
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00:00<renginez>jake: now i can play wif the resolution, but not the audio, its like watching tv on mute...not fun dough
00:00<jake>how? which file?
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00:01<renginez>jake: i did some command in the root, gosh i forgot its like hours ago, witte taught me....)
00:01<renginez>theres a command....anyone know it?
00:01<renginez>i forgotten
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00:02<jake>renginez, dpkg-reconfigure?
00:02<renginez>jake: try add witte on ur irc....once he is online u ask him...i forgotten,, dumb to be me..
00:03<renginez>yeah... i think thats the one.
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00:03<renginez>then i restart everything went great.
00:03<renginez>aside from the sound...yes
00:03<jake>no my problem is fixed . i m just gathering a lil more info
00:03<renginez>it seems, both of us are having the same job
00:04<jake>ya ... i m dumb too
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00:06<renginez>lol....oh yeah... during the audio detection...did u get 2 option after it detected the hardware?
00:06<jake>2 options? as in ? i didn't get u
00:06<renginez>once u typed alsaconf what u see?
00:07<jake>thats th regular thing ? it detects what all i have and asks me what i want to use thats it
00:08<renginez>no option for u?
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00:09<renginez>its weird u dun have, i had two option...the 2nd one (warns me that it mite be unstable, never tried that dough)
00:10<jake>depends what on hardwares u have i gues
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00:13<renginez>but now most importantly i need the wifi to get it work....
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00:36<bighornram>what is the correct path to use in debian to have cron run a php script? The readme tells me to put the following to execute "root /usr/local/bin/php /path_to_script_file/script.php" Is this correct, I dont find this path.
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00:42<kop>bighornram : You want the path given by: which php
00:44<bighornram>kop: configuring emrem, it sets a cron to send an email via php script. The cron line is in the previous post, I think I found info that states this is correct. Just not sure about debian.
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00:45<renginez>an anyone teach me how to use the tar.gz file step by lost
00:46<kop>bighornram : I don't use php at the command line, you need to run the which command above.
00:46<kop>renginez : You'd be wanting to read the info pages on tar then. "info tar", but you might try "info info" first, or use an on-line resource to read the docs at (iirc)
00:47<renginez>info tar
00:47<kop>renginez : That'd be at the command prompt.
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00:48<kop>renginez : I just tried it on etch, and found info shows the man page, which is not as helpful. Read the docs at or enable non-free repositories to install the gnu info pages.
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00:49<jake>or $ man tar
00:49<jake>and ctrl-z when done
00:49<kop>jake: The man pages are more reference, the info pages more tuitorial.
00:50<jake>oh... thanks
00:50<kop>jake: (And ctrl-z just suspends, but does not kill a job.)
00:50<Hideo>ctrl z ?
00:50<Hideo>yeah what kop said
00:50<jake>so ctrl c doesnt close man pages
00:50<Hideo>press q
00:51<jake>ok and what about suspended pages? can i close them now?
00:51<kop>jake: ctrl-c does, but it's a bit rude. Better to do "man less" and read how to tell the application to stop.
00:51<renginez>actually i successfully, extracted the tar and cd-ed it,...i just don;t know what to do with the files i lotsa files...
00:51<kop>renginez : What's the tar file supposed to do for you?
00:52<Hideo>renginez: usually there is a README file and an INSTALL file or a documentation directory in there
00:52<Hideo>read them
00:52<renginez>installing driver....
00:52<kop>But of course usually you want to be letting the package manager do the work for you. Is the driver in debian, maybe in non-free?
00:52<jake>ok and what about suspended pages? can i close them now? kop
00:53<Hideo>jake: type ps faux
00:53<Hideo>see what they are, then kill them
00:53<kop>jake: Sure.
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00:53<kop>jake: Or read about job control in "man bash".
00:54<jake>wo is this like task manager? in kde cntrl+~ i think brings up task manager . gnome has one?
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00:55<kop>jake: It's one that works at the command line and lets you run multiple commands at once in the same terminal session.
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00:56<jake>multiple cammands at once in the terminal? how is that possible?
00:56<kop>!tell jake -about reference
00:57<kop>jake: So long as interaction is not required your computer will do lots of things "at once".
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00:57<jake>but how can u have multiple cursors
00:57<kop>jake: If interaction is required, it can wait until you're ready.
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00:57<blarson>jake: try "screen"
00:58<jake>i'll do the reading then
00:58<jake>screen . ok
00:58<kop>screen is another approach, better-ish. But different so ymmv.
00:58<jake>terminal has screendump not screen
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00:59<Hideo>what does that tell you?
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01:00<jake>it clears half the screen
01:00<kop>blarson : All round more convenient (mostly) is just opening another terminal window/tab. ;-)
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01:01<kop>jake: screen is something that needs installing. job control is a feature of the shell.
01:01<Hideo>screen is a big leap, especially for one who's barely comfortable in cli
01:02<blarson>kop: local I tend to use multiple xterms. For ssh, I use screen. Also allows reconnecting to a session after a network problem.
01:02<dpkg>i heard cli is a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or, ask me about <general cli tutorial>
01:02<kop>Hideo : I agree. Job control is pretty unnecessary too. He'd do well to read the command line part of the reference manual.
01:02<kop>blarson : Me too.
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01:02<jake>oh does that mean i can install on one terminal and nano on another... cool
01:03<jake>i m loving linux now
01:03<kop>blarson : Although I'm in the emacs camp and have trouble with the screen key bindings.
01:04<jake>but what do i do with my sound initialisation
01:04<blarson>kop: yah, I hate that it eats one of the common editing characters.
01:04<jake>modules are not gettin loaded
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01:05<kop>blarson : I figured at way around it, but now I've forgotten. I hope I've stashed away a config file or note to myself somewhere.
01:05<Hideo>jake: errors?
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01:06<jake>CA0106: probe of 0000:04:09.0 failed with error -12 Hideo
01:07<jake>everytime i reboot i have to alsaconf and then it works
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01:14<jake> hi jm_
01:15<jm_>jake: problem solved?
01:15<jm_>oh no!
01:15<jake>every other problem is solved
01:15<jm_>did you upgrade kernel?
01:15<jake>to 24
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01:16<jake>CA0106: probe of 0000:04:09.0 failed with error -12 , jm_
01:16<jake>infact there came one more guy with the same problem on ibook
01:17<xid>jake, your'r on ibook ?
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01:18<gsimmons>jake: He didn't load the snd-powermac module, as previously advised.
01:18<jake>oh... one simple question .. how do u load a module?
01:18<jm_>jake: so the same error persists - does it work if you first load ca0106 and then hda-intel?
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01:19<jake>i never load it... the only thing that works is alsaconf
01:20<jake>i wrote "snd_ca0106" and "sn_hda_intel" in /etc/modules as u told me
01:20<jake>and thats all i know about loading modules
01:21<jake>i also did modprobe snd_ca0106 but still no sound
01:21<jm_>jake: but it's loaded by udev or whatever, so remove the module and then try loading them in reverse order
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01:22<jake>remove from /etc/modules?
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01:22<jake>just tell me one thing.. when anyone talks about modules its always about /etc/modules?
01:23<jm_>no, rmmod
01:23<jm_>jake: no
01:23<jm_>/etc/modules is Debian specific and provides a simple means of getting modules loaded
01:24<jake>so when we use debian we can forget about rmmod
01:24<jake>or no
01:25<jake>what will i be dealing with in solving this problem
01:25<jm_>no, use rmmod now to remove hda-intel module
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01:26<jake>rmmod stands for? remove modules?
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01:27<dpkg>from memory, rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead
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01:27<jake>so ill type rmmod ca0106?
01:28<jm_>no, usage is: rmmod modulename
01:28<jake>rmmod snd_ca0106?
01:29<jm_>yup and the same for hda-intel
01:29<jm_>but no need to rmmod ca0106 since it shouldn't be loaded now
01:29<jake>so rmmod snd_ca0106 snd_hda_intel in one line should do right?
01:29<jake>it is loaded i m listening to music
01:30<jm_>not sure if it accepts more than one argument
01:30<jake>used alsa
01:30<jake>so i'll close it
01:30<jm_>ahh ok so there's no need to test this then :)
01:30<jm_>just try to load hda-intel then
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01:31<jake>btw when i do rmmod snd_hd <tab><tab> it does show hda intel
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01:32<jake>i'll do modprobe snd_hda_intel
01:32<jm_>ahh ok, so it's loaded then - does cat /proc/asound/cards list both?
01:32<jm_>no don't ;)
01:32<bmh>hi all, newbie to debian here, trying to do a netinstall but the installer isn't detecting my 3com 3c574
01:32<bmh>Can anyone help please?
01:32<bmh>found this, but no solution:
01:32<jm_>bmh: is that an ISA card?
01:33<bmh>jm_, pcmcia, 16 bit pc card
01:33<bmh>not too sure of the specs
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01:34<jake>already did modprobe
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01:34<jake>should i rmmod hda intel
01:34<jm_>jake: answer my question please
01:35<jake>please ask
01:35<jake>ive loaded both
01:35<jake>and now i will see if that lists both
01:35<jm_>bmh: load 3c574_cs manually
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01:36<xid>bmh, or buy a new one at $10 -15
01:36<jake>jm_, ya now /asound/cards lists both
01:36<jm_>jake: ok so we need to ensure it loads ca0106 first
01:37<jake>0 is ca0106 and 1 is nvidia (onboard)
01:37<jake>but all this is happening because ive executed alsaconf already after a reboot
01:37<jake>will it list both on the next reboot?
01:38<jake>or u want me to reboot?
01:38<jm_>jake: no, we need to configure stuff first
01:39<jm_>jake: do you have bootlog enabled?
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01:39<bmh>thanks but that didnt work
01:39<jake>dont know jm_
01:40<bmh>i did modprobe 3c574_cs
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01:40<bmh>and it didnt complain, but it didnt activate anything either
01:40<bmh>no NIC lights/ifconfig output, and the installer still doesnt recognise the card
01:40<jake>can u tell me how to check jm_
01:40<bmh>i've tried selecting it from the big list i get presented with as well, but that doesnt work either
01:41<jm_>bmh: ls /sys/class/net
01:41<tenzind>hi.. when i start emulators like dosbox, I get an error saying "ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory". what could be the problem here?
01:41<jm_>jake: don't ask me yes/no questions -- cat /etc/default/bootlogd
01:41<bmh>jm_, only the loopback is there
01:41<jm_>tenzind: you don't have MIDI support
01:41<jm_>bmh: check dmesg output
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01:42<tenzind>jm_: is that something to do with hardware itself?
01:42<toasterboy>is there a way to have my open windows displayed on the panel?
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01:42<jake>jm_, bootlog enabled = no
01:43<bmh>jm_, it says no card bus support, but its not a cardbus card
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01:44<jm_>tenzind: load sequencer module
01:45<jm_>jake: enable it
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01:45<jm_>bmh: isn't cardbus just a new name for pcmcia stuff?
01:45<jake>ill make it = Yes
01:45<jm_>make it yes
01:45<jake>ya done
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01:46<jake>jm_, did
01:47<jm_>jake: now when you next reboot you'll be able to check what loads hda-intel in bootlog file
01:47<jake>so i'll reboot now?
01:48<jm_>bmh: does 'modinfo 3c574_cs' list debug parameter?
01:48<jm_>no need to reboot now if you don't want to
01:49<bmh>jm_, modinfo isn't found
01:49<bmh>this is still the netinstall btw; it mightnt have everything loaded
01:49<orpa>I can't get direct rendering to work. I need to know what packs I need :P
01:49<jake>jm_, what do i do now?
01:49<bmh>pondering just downloading the full iso, but would prefer to get it working this way. i want to learn about debian ...
01:49<jm_>jake: enjoy music from ALSA? :P
01:49<jm_>bmh: it will be the same with full ISO
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01:50<jake>jm_: i have to fix this and prepare for my exams
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01:50<bmh>jm_, yeah i know, but .. figured i might have more things to try...?
01:50<bmh>ie, a working modprobe :)
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01:51<jm_>bmh: modprobe works, it's the driver that doesn't , full ISO won't change a thing
01:51<jm_>jake: then prepare for exam first!
01:52<bmh>ah ok, thanks
01:52<bmh>any idea why the driver doesnt work?
01:52<jake>jm_: no .. i have to fix this ... i'll reboot and bug u then :P
01:53<jm_>bmh: try modprobe 3c574_cs pc_debug=9999
01:55<bmh>the first nic i tried (not the 574) now works if i put it in a different slot
01:56<bmh>strange, because that slot worked yesterday when i had freebsd on there...
01:56<bmh>weird, but its working,
01:56<bmh>thanks for your help jm_
01:56<jm_>no worries
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01:58<tenzind>jm_: i loaded the snd-seq-midi and now i get the error "ALSA:Can't subscribe to MIDI port (65:0) nor (17:0)"
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01:59<jake>jm_: what now?
01:59<tenzind>jm_: and it also says "MIDI:Opened device:oss"
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02:01<orpa>what is the nvidia drivers called for apt install?
02:01<jake>jm_: cat /proc/asound/cards again has nvidia only
02:02<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
02:02<orpa>thanks =)
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02:02<orpa>!nvidia driver
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02:04<jm_>jake: paste bootlog file on pastebin
02:04<jake>/etc/default/bootlogd ? which bootlog
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02:05<jm_>tenzind: that probably means your card doesn't have MIDI support and you'll need to use software based players
02:05<jm_>jake: logfiles are in /var/log, check there
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02:12<jake>jm_: this has nothing :(
02:12<xid>Jun 18 11:28:04 2008: ^[]R^[[9;30]^[[14;30]Setting up ALSA...done.
02:12<jm_>jake: is it perhaps loaded in initrd phase befor ethis?
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02:13<jm_>jake: one place where it might be loaded is Detecting hardware...
02:13<jake>jm_: hmm coz it cant be after gui has loaded
02:14<jake>dmesg had this ca0106 error -12
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02:14<jake>if thats important
02:14<jm_>jake: did you read the screen before it said Activating swap...done.?
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02:15<jake>"Activating swapfile swap...done."?
02:15<jake>its mounting filesystems before that
02:15<jake>i m using ntfs-3g in fstab
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02:15<jm_>but not loading any modules?
02:17<jake>can i do someethin here?
02:17<jm_>I think it would work if we make initrd load them in specific order
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02:18<jake>ok. what do i do? jm_
02:19<jm_>jake: hmm good question, I am not using Debian kernels and/or initrd so this is my weak spot
02:19<jm_>jake: are you using initramfs image?
02:19<jake>hey this i remeber used to fail when i was setting up etch
02:20<jm_>check your boot loader config and run file on initrd file it mentions
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02:21<jake>didn't get anything in that line...
02:22<jm_>what exactly did you run?
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02:23<jake>when? when the error popped up for intramfs? thosse were unsuccesful installations
02:23<jm_>read your screen: <jm_> check your boot loader config and run file on initrd file it mentions
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02:24<jake>i dont know where the boot loader config is... how do run file on initrd file?
02:24<jm_>uhm /boot/grub/menu.lst
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02:31<jake>jm_: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-1-amd64
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02:32<jm_>jake: run file on that
02:32<jake>jm_: run file on that?
02:33<jm_>jake: yes
02:33<jake>thats the kernal i m on
02:33<jake>i m sorry i dont understand
02:33<jake>which file
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02:35<jm_>file is a commnad, you should know that from yesterday -- file /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-1-amd64
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02:36<jake>/boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-1-amd64: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Wed Jun 18 07:28:01 2008, max compression
02:37<jake>jm_: what are we doing ?
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02:39<jake>jm_: how is this related to modules?
02:39<jm_>jake: blah, file -z /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-1-amd64
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02:40<jake>ya now it gave this
02:40<jake>/boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-1-amd64: ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC) (gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Wed Jun 18 07:28:01 2008, max compression)
02:40<jm_>ok so you're using mkinitramfs
02:41<jake>where did u see that?
02:42<jake>jm_: are u busy?
02:44<jm_>jake: yes by figuring out why aptitude's "download" command suddenly stopped working for me
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02:48*jake will wait till jm_ fixes his aptitude problem
02:50<jm_>jake: do you have /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ?
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02:51<jm_>this version of aptitude is seriosuly fucked if even something as simple as aptitude download foo doesn't work
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02:52<jm_>ok fixed it, my fault - that was probably why aptitude failed to dist-upgrade my system too
02:52*jm_ slaps himself
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03:05<jake>ya i have /etc/initramfs-tools/modules jm_
03:06<jm_>jake: what's in it?
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03:07<jake>just comments
03:08<jm_>add both modules to it
03:08<jake>any particular order?
03:09<jm_>ca0106 first
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03:12<simi>hi, i am new to debian, i used ubuntu for 2 years, installed debian and i am confused, i can't find pidgin in the repositories, i want all the packages that are availeble, free or nonfree
03:12<simi>how can i get them
03:13<jm_>jake: run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
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03:13<jm_>simi: debian version?
03:13<simi>jm_, just install , stable i belive
03:14<jm_>simi: in stable it's still called gaim, maybe there's a newer version on backports
03:15<jake>jm_: done
03:15<jm_>jake: now try rebooting if you dare
03:16<jake>jm_: i m always ready for it :P
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03:17<simi>how to upgrade to unstable?
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03:18<simi>i will
03:18<Pepper>simi: you can use version 2.3.1-2~bpo40+1 from
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03:19<simi>i want to try unstable from the first place but i do not find a cd for it
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03:20<jake>jm_: nope!!!
03:20<jake>jm_: still the same
03:20<jake>asound/cards has only nvidia
03:21<simi>i installed 3 debian based distros in 24 hours , i am not afraid , if i do not like it i will go back to ubuntu 8.04
03:21<Dasmoover>hey everyone, well i just installed debian and my x server is crashing. i have a backup of a working .conf but its on a ntfs partition. whats the command to view mountable partitions?
03:21<dpkg>hmm... ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about <> for instructions and see Usage examples:
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03:22<Dasmoover>thanks man
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03:22<jm_>jake: what do you see in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules now?
03:23<Dasmoover>brb testing, i havent installed screens yet
03:23<jm_>Dasmoover: cat /proc/partitions
03:23<Dasmoover>then use the 3g?
03:23<gsimmons>Dasmoover: If you only require read-only access to your NTFS partition, the ntfs driver will suffice.
03:23<jake>those two modules which i added
03:23<gsimmons>!tell Dasmoover -about ntfsro
03:23<jm_>you can use ntfs for RO access
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03:23<Dasmoover>gsimmons: i need to copy over a file, so yeah. mount it then read it
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03:24<simi>can anyone help me to upgrade to unstable? i can't find nothing in google,
03:25<jm_>jake: we need to check if they are really added in the initrams file
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03:26<Pepper>simi: change etch/stabel in /etc/apt/sources.list to unstable, then "aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade"
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03:26<jake>i checked /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ... it has those two module names which i added..
03:26<jm_>jake: did it say Adding module ... ?
03:26<jm_>jake: run it in verbose mode
03:26<Pepper>simi: be aware, there might be problems.
03:26<GoinEasy9>if your going to use unstable i'd use apt-get instead of aptitude...just my 2 cents
03:26<jm_>jake: or look inside initramfs file
03:28<simi>Pepper, thx
03:29<simi>other question can i use sudo in debian? i get this simi is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
03:29<jm_>jake: uhm you ran file on it about 30 minutes ago
03:30<jake>jm_: thata was initrd
03:30<Pepper>simi: you should have set a root-password on installation. use this with "su -" to get root
03:31<jake> /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-1-amd64
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03:32<jm_>jake: yeah it has a name like that but it is initramfs-tools generated file
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03:34<simi>Pepper, i know that but i am typing sudo without thinking, as a reflex, can someone pastebin an unstable sources.list
03:34<jake>/boot/<tab> has only grub
03:35<jake>jm_: is loading module such a difficult task?
03:35<jm_>jake: gunzip -c /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-1-amd64 > /tmp/bla.cpio
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03:35<jm_>jake: no, the problem is getting ca0106 to load first because it's obviously not happy when it's loaded 2nd
03:36<jake>second? its not there in /proc/asound/cards at all
03:36<jm_>yes because of what I just mentioned
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03:38<simi>if i will do this again(probably is there a cd with unstable? i do not found it
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03:39<simi>if the upgrade does not work i will reinstall directly with unstable
03:39<jake>jm_: did gunzip then?
03:39<jm_>jake: do you have mc installed?
03:39<jake>omg now what is mc
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03:47<simi>jake, mc midnight commander
03:48<simi>looks like norton commander from DOS if you know it
03:49<jake>i will install it if it fixes the problem
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03:51<jm_>it won't but it makes it easy to check what's in cpio archives
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03:53<jake>jm_: ya downloaded mc... now ?
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03:54<jake>bonjour monsieur
03:54<Skrat>So yeah..
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03:55<Skrat>My internet runs really slowly under Debian
03:55<Skrat>But fine under OS X. Anyone know why this could be? (iBook G4 PPC)
03:55<jm_>jake: run it
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03:58<spi>uh, I have a partitioning question here, anybody know? I'm trying to unmount /home to repartition for a new system, but it spits that it's "busy" and can't be unmounted. How can I fix this? thx in advance for all answers
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04:03<spi>Can anybody help?
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04:14<jake>jm_: ya running mc now
04:14<jm_>jake: now go to /tmp and press enter on file.cpio
04:15<Stack>spion: fuser -ki ?
04:15<Stack>spion: fuser -ki
04:16<jake>ya did
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04:17<jm_>check what's in its conf/modules file
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04:20<jake>jm_: both modules are there... and third line is unix
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04:22<tenzind>hi .. is Broadcom BCM4328 wireless chipset supoprted in Debian? seems to say its unsupported by bcm43xx. Can it be made to work in any other way?
04:22<jm_>jake: then I don't see why it wouldn't work
04:22<spi>Have you tried ndiswrapper?
04:24<gsimmons>tenzind: bcm43xx is deprecated in favour of b43/43legacy. It's likely that chipset is supported by the b43 driver.
04:24<tenzind>spi: No I haven't. I couldnot get the windows driver for it :(
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04:24<jake>jm_: hmm
04:24<spi>tenzind: i see.
04:25<gsimmons>tenzind: I'm sorry. Upon re-reading, that isn't supported even by b43.
04:25<tenzind>gsimmons: :(
04:25<spi>tenzind: you can't see the device at all?
04:26<tenzind>spi: lspci lists the device
04:26<jm_>jake: more advanced stuff is needed at this point, but I think it will require too much of my nerves ;P
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04:26<spi>tenzind: ok, try installing hwinfo
04:28<jake>jm_: no its solved
04:29<jm_>jake: how?
04:30<tenzind>spi: hwinfo --wlan??
04:30<jake>echo options snd-hda-intel index=-2 > /etc/modprobe.d/sound.local
04:30<spi>tenzind: exactly. shoudl give you more info than lspci
04:30<jake>then rmmod both modules
04:30<jake>and reloaded them. nvidia captured 1 instead of 0
04:31<jm_>jake: ahh I thought this only works with more recent kernels, otherwise I would suggest it yesterday
04:31<jake>thats what we wanted right?
04:31<tenzind>spi: hwinfo --wlan gives no output atall ...
04:31<jm_>jake: I am not sure
04:31<gsimmons>tenzind: Support for the BCM4328 chipset requires to be reverse engineered. See for details. Do not apply the referenced patch however.
04:31<jake>ya... i told u i had 2.6.24
04:31<spi>tenzind: try hwinfo --pci to see if it akes any difference
04:32<jake>jm_: still ive learnt about so many files ;P
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04:33<jm_>jake: yes but I think the feature I am thinking of is only available in 2.6.25 or even 2.6.26
04:34<tenzind>spi: hwinfo --pci doesnt seem to list the broadcom chipset
04:34<jake>25 is not available for amd64 or is it?
04:35<jm_>not sure if backports already has 2.6.25, it's in unstable
04:35<jake>so now tell me if its fixed jm_
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04:35<jake>coz after reboot nvidia will be on 1 but will creative be there on 0?
04:35<jake>coz it wasn't showing in /proc...
04:36<spi>tenzind: well i'm afraid we're running out of solutions here... though it seems bizarre that lspci lists the chipset and not hwinfo...
04:36<jm_>jake: my bet would be on no :)
04:36<spi>tenzind: did you look at gsimmons' solution? seems tough to do yet maybe not so bad.
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04:36<jake>u said only this was the problem jm_
04:37<tenzind>spi: hmm .. may be I should try ndiswrapper ... BTW, I am trying to install Debian on a MacBook
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04:37<jm_>jake: naah
04:38<spi>tenzind: I've never looked at ndiswrapper support on MAC, but there must be some way of suing the MAC driver (if that's what you've got)
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04:42<spi>tenzind: is your card identified by lspci as Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 03)
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04:43<tenzind>spi: yes .. exactly
04:43<spi>tenzind: ok, I may have found something interesting, just a min...
04:44<spi>tenzind: Hey! I think this may work: chack out: ;it provides a way to install ndiswrapper and drivers for YOUR chipst on a MAC! It may just work!
04:46<spi>tnezind: plus, the solution there is for Ubuntu which is a dbian based distribution: that difference should thus not cause too many problems
04:47<tenzind>spi: thanks .. will try that
04:47<spi>tenzind: check back in later and tell me if it worked
04:48<tenzind>spi: ok ..
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04:50<spi>tenzind: going away for 20 min
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04:52<tenzind>spi: ok .. and that driver exe seems to be >50 MB ... may take some time to download ..
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04:57<jake>haha ... jm_ u lost the bet... its working :-D
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04:58<jm_>jake: good, but it should work without this too
04:59<jake>but theres only one problem again
04:59<jake>output only from rhythm box
04:59<jake>not from vlc not frm mediaplayer
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05:02<jm_>jake: you probably need to enable dmix now
05:02<jake>from ?
05:04<dpkg>rumour has it, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See, or another sample asound.conf at, or
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05:07<jake>jm_: wtf... now again nothing is playin
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05:07<jm_>jake: heh
05:08<jake>dude i should go see a doctor now
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05:09<marcos>hell / hola
05:09<marcos>hello / hola
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05:10<jm_>jake: better diagnose such stupid issues with aplay or alsaplayer
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05:10<jake>jm_: hmmm
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05:11<jake>this is the typical windows kinda problem .. the reason i want to leave windows...
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05:11<jake>fix one the other goes bad
05:12<jm_>jake: no, windows would involve 30 reboots ;)
05:12<jake>i should just kill myself
05:13<jm_>why? it's not your fault
05:13<jake>looks like it is... when everywhere its the same problem
05:14<jake>goto college meet people operate systems... everywhere man
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05:17<jm_>it's just crap software, nothing to do with you
05:18<jake>i know. which one is the alsaplayer? alsaplayer-alsa?
05:18<jake>installed alsaplayer-common
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05:25<spi>tenzind: so far what have you got?
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05:31<jake>jm_: rhythmbox works. even sound preview for mouseovers are working
05:31<jake>why is there no sound for mediaplayer and vlc
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05:32<Skrat>How can I install a version of mono later than 1.2.2.*
05:32<Skrat>What sources do I need to add?
05:32<Skrat>!tell Skrat about mono
05:32<tenzind>spi: so far 22% of the driver exec downloaded ... got a very slow connection :(
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05:34<spi>tenzind: i see. I suppose that is why you want to set up your network on the MAC
05:34<jm_>jake: because you need dmix
05:34<jake>its not a package
05:34<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See, or another sample asound.conf at, or
05:35<spi>tenzind: lets hope no download erors will be made. If it is indeed the case (corrupted data), then I suggest using some other download method. Lets just see what happens for now
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05:36<tenzind>spi: ok..
05:36<jake>also now when i reboot the system freezes at "the system will restart now" jm_
05:37<jm_>jake: try ctrl-alt-f1
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05:37<jm_>jake: are leyboard leds blinking?
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05:39<jake>no blinking
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05:53<jake>jm_: i should take a break and chill with youtube for a while... ive done enough for 30 hours :)
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05:55<Tuplad>how come, that, when I attach my external hdd, I get a message saying something like: "you dont have enough rights to connect this tome"
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05:57<Tuplad>anyone ? :}
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05:58<gidna>/tmp/001-1.wmv could not be opened, because the associated helper application does not exist. Change the association in your preferences. why receive I this error?
05:59<SlayerXP>gidna: at a wild guess, I'd say the because the associated helper application does not exist
06:00<gidna>I don't know How to associates it
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06:01<gidna>what file of media player have I to select?
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06:02<honda_HATCH>what kind of error is this - configure: WARNING: Unrecognized options: --with-apxs2
06:02<honda_HATCH>I'm installing httpd in debian
06:02<amolv>how to check tasksel has added my tasks or not
06:02<themill>honda_HATCH: why not just use the debian packages?
06:02<jm_>amolv: tasksel dosn't add any tasks
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06:02<honda_HATCH>i'm trying to use the latest httpd
06:03<honda_HATCH>can anybody determine this kind of error?
06:03<themill>honda_HATCH: because ... ?
06:03<Tuplad>how come, that, when I attach my external hdd, I get a message saying something like: "you dont have enough rights to connect this tome"
06:05<themill>honda_HATCH: Unless you can point to a specific bug on the apache bug tracker that you are trying to get around, I wouldn't bother doing anything except using the debian packages. If you really need the newer package, then consider using the debian packages as a base to save yourself some work. /msg dpkg ssb
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06:07<tsp>I know that I can set my default locale in /etc/defaults/locale, but what is causing it to load upon each login?
06:08<jm_>tsp: PAM
06:08<amolv>jm_, what
06:08<tsp>ah, thanks
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07:08<Fenrir> Riippuvuudet: libldap2 (>=2.1.17-1) but it is not installable
07:08<Fenrir>how could i resolve this thingie
07:08<Fenrir>to install wine
07:08<SlayerXP>"aptitude update" and try again
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07:15<Fenrir>still complains about that file
07:18<jm_>run apt-cache policy libldap2
07:18<SlayerXP>Fenrir: which tree are you on?
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07:23<Fenrir>SlayerXP, what do ya mean ?
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07:33<spi>tenzind: how's it going now
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07:34<tenzind>spi: 97% downloaded :) ...
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07:34<spi>almost there!
07:35<tenzind>wget says 3mins 30 secs still :)
07:36<spi>tenzind: i hope ndiswrapper isn't 50mb...
07:36<SlayerXP>Fenrir: stable? testing? unstable?
07:36<tenzind>spi: thats not a problem .. i got local mirror ... :)
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07:38<spi>tenzind: great! There won't be so much waiting one the download's finished then
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07:46<tenzind>spi: hurrayh!! it works !!!
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07:47<spi>tenzind: as in you've got net?
07:47<tenzind>spi: yeah .. but with some modification is the ndiswrapper installation part
07:48<spi>tenzind: ok, the, you mean you're installing ndiswrapper, or you can already connect?
07:48<tenzind>i added this: sudo aptitude install ndiswrapper ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 wireless-tools; sudo aptitude install ndiswrapper-source module-assistant; sudo m-a prepare; sudo m-a a-i ndiswrapper; and sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
07:49<tenzind>spi: yeah .. after that i can connect to the wireless network ...
07:49<spi>super then!
07:49<tenzind>spi: i am connected!!! thanks for the link :)
07:49<spi>OK, next thing is to configure for WEp encryption, if you need it. there's a section on the instructions
07:50<tenzind>in that same url?
07:50<spi>and no problem for the link ;)
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07:50<spi>yes, it mentions a link to a thread from the same author which explains everything
07:50<spi>let me just check, one min...
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07:52<spi>I think this is it:
07:53<tenzind>spi: thanks ..
07:54<spi>tenzind: no problem
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07:57<spi>tenzind: although it seems like a configuration for occasional connection to Wep-encrypted networks... it depends what your connecting habits are. As you are using a laptop this may be to your advantage if you take it where you go. As you might also want to automatically connect to the network at home, I think there is a way to connect more quickly... in the case that there is no other way to establish Wep encryption without having to m
07:57<spi>y to make an automation by making a shell script.
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08:02<renginez>does anyone here know whether debian etch supports Linux Wireless Extensions v19 above??
08:02<spi>renginez: it depends how recent they are
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08:04<renginez>i downloaded the most updated debian etch from the web, so does it support Linux Wireless Extensions v19?
08:04<spi>renginez: i'm supposing things here, but if the wireless extensions which you are talking about are drivers, then it depends whether the source code is published by their owners/manufacturers: if it is then there is a good chance that is is directly supported
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08:04<spi>renginez: if it isn't then you're looking at at least some work ahead.
08:04<renginez>spi: how do i check it?
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08:05<gsimmons>renginez: I believe your earlier device detection issue (Teletronics XI-300) is due to a missing vendor/device ID pair within orinoco_cs.c. This was added after release 0.15 as part of revision 1272 ("Add ID for Z-Com XI-300 OEM").
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08:06<tenzind>spi: have to go home now ... tired .. :)
08:06<spi>renginez: I think there are a couple of pages on the debian website. If the extensions are really recent then look for new features along your release of debian (the earliest I suppose). If they aren't so recent look at the debian compatibility database; there's a section for wireless.
08:06<spi>tenzind: ok, good luck for configuration
08:08<gsimmons>renginez: Patching the 0.15 driver and compiling this module within your system, should at least provide you with a wireless interface. Whether or not this works with the airport module (which is intended for Hermes chipset usage) needs to be determined.
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08:09<spi>renginez: are the wireless extensions used to pilot/drive some card of card? If you've installed debian, you can check by turning on a terminal, becoming root using su , and then typing lspci for a pci carfd, or lsusb for a usb card
08:09<renginez>gsimmons: i had the orinoco_cs.c (problem is i don't know how to patch and compile) you got any websites to recommend?
08:10<gsimmons>renginez: I've prepared a patch and instructions, if you're willing to follow them carefully.
08:10<renginez>spi: i tried that seems theres two which is eth0: and eth:1
08:10<gsimmons>spi: He has neither PCI or USB. It's a PCMCIA card within an Airport socket, in lieu of an actual Apple Airport card.
08:10<renginez>gsimmons: yes anything will do.
08:10<gsimmons>renginez: One moment.
08:10<renginez>gsimmons: ok
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08:11<pingouin>firefox 3 possible under Etch ?
08:11<spi>gsimmons: i see. unfortunately i don't know as much as I should about those cards. The only things I can suggest is the newest modules for it (installed using modconf), or ndiswrapper even for MAC
08:12<pingouin>when i download the firefox3 from, doest lauch, asking for gtk2.10, etch have only 2.8
08:12<pingouin>any solution ?
08:13<Ganneff>do not use such software
08:13<pingouin>Ganneff: what do you mean ?
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08:14<spi>pingouin: which desktop environment do you use? Gnome or KDE? If KDE then you should be using firefox, if gnome then iceweasel. Usueally the safest solution is actually installing the binary package for a program in a distribution's repositories.
08:14<renginez>gsimmons: thanks alot...ill have a look now.
08:15<renginez>spi: how do i do the modconf stuff
08:15<pingouin>spi: i use... Ion3
08:15<gsimmons>renginez: Note that $ and # are used to distinguish between commands entered as a regular user and those as root.
08:15<spi>be back in a few minutes...
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08:16<renginez>so i am required to use boot user terminal and root terminal in the overall process..?
08:16<pingouin>spi: but there is no firefox 3 for Etch in my apt
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08:16<staleundheim>Is it possible to add 2 disks joined with lvm to a raid array?
08:16<chealer>spi: why should he use firefox if he uses KDE?
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08:16<themill>spi: wtf?
08:17<renginez>gsimmons: if not mistaken i need to connect to the net right?
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08:18<gsimmons>renginez: A terminal under your regular user is fine. You'd only want to become root when necessary. Yes, network access is required, otherwise you can obtain the files and transfer them to your iBook via another method.
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08:19<renginez>ok, i guess ill be offlining i do not have spare cables...i return to u when im done...thanks alot gsimmons.
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08:23<munga>how can I query the dns with dig to know all cnames associated to an ip ?
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08:26<jm_>CNAME is not related to an IP
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08:29<munga>cname is related to a host ... axfr with dig, but it seems my ns doesn't allow my to query such info ...
08:29<spi>chealer: firefox was the program I used when under KDE. I don't see what's wrong
08:30<munga>is there a finnish person here : what does this mean : Oh jeesusherramariiialuojapyh� sylvi :S:@ Siis aivan kaameita kuvia...en ees pysty kattomaan!!!! Ja luoja ihmiset laittaa jotain ihan kaameita kuvia faceenki!!! Mik� teit� vaivaa? :)
08:31<spi>chealer: never mind anyway. It was a long time ago so I could have made an error
08:32<munga>jm_: my ns says : ; Transfer failed. Do I need zone transfers to allow such a query ?
08:32<jm_>munga: when doing what?
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08:33<munga>jm_: dig @ns axfr
08:34<spi>that said: anybody here know of some way to unmount home? I need to un mount it to make changes to the extended partition it's on. it's the only mounted partition that i'm unable to unmount.
08:35<dpkg>hmm... fuser is a handy command to 'identify processes using files or sockets' or if you find a port number that you want more info on, do: fuser -n tcp <portnum> ., or some people think it's is short for 'what the fuck is using that damn file!!!!!'
08:35<munga>spi try to go in single user mode and then unmount it
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08:35<jm_>munga: yeah, it's for transfering zone info among servers
08:36<spi>munga: thanks, will try it
08:36<munga>uhmmm ok...
08:36<Zathraz>Hi. Anyone here who know when Iceweasel 3.0 is planned to be released?
08:36<munga>Zathraz: it's already in unstable
08:36<Zathraz>not a RC but the real thing?
08:37<Zathraz>as Firefox 3.0 was released yesterday
08:37<aptituz>Zathraz: there is no difference between those versions AFAIK
08:37<aptituz>the rc in unstable and the final released version should only differ in a change concerning mac os to what I've heard
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08:38<Fenrir>MD5 checksum fails on installing ati drivers
08:38<Fenrir>any idea wut may cause it ?
08:40<munga>Zathraz: yep. the difference between rc2 and final is a macosx patch afaik
08:40<Zathraz>k. ty
08:40<Zathraz>Guess then I will have to wait till it comes to Lenny
08:41<jm_>Fenrir: ask ATI
08:41<Fenrir>looking for working ati drivers atm
08:41<Fenrir>for X600 card
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08:47<renginez>gsimmons, im stuck at (8. $ wget it says unable to patch or sumtng, for ur info, i already extracted the tar.gz of the orinoco 0.15 that i downloaded myself yesterday)...does that affect the process, how do i delete the files i'd extracted yesterday?
08:47<renginez>gsimmons: ^^^as i see im downloading the same thing via ur link given.../
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08:48<gsimmons>renginez: I'm sorry, is it that you can't obtain the .diff file, or cannot apply/patch it to the orinoco 0.15 release?
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08:49<renginez>it is cannot apply/patch it to the orinoco 0.15 release...
08:51<gsimmons>renginez: Remove your pre-existing orinoco-0.15 directory and reobtain/unextract the compressed tarball from sourceforge.
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08:51<renginez>gsimmons: is there anything i did wrong? and how do i delete the previous orinoco-0.15.tar.gz that i extracted yesterday (it has lock in it)...maybe that mite cause the problem....after delete ill try downloading the link u gave me the instalaltion failed.
08:53<gsimmons>renginez: "rm -rf orinoco-0.15" will suffice. Then continue from line 6 of the previously provided paste link.
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09:02<renginez>gsimmons: ill have lo leavefor a moment, ill return soon and do the procedures...thanks gsimmons...ill inform u after i done.
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10:15<Stack>help please. 2 network, I cant access from one, to other network computers. but internet (vpn) working.
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10:28<pingouin>when i download the firefox3 from, it doesnt lauch, asking for gtk2.10, etch have only 2.8
10:28<pingouin>any solution ?
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10:32<amphi>only to upgrade gtk - you are on etch?
10:32<KadlSoft>pingouin: If I were you, I would use libgtk2.0 from lenny.
10:32<amphi>either find a backport of gtk, or upgrade to lenny, if you need ff3
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10:45<mythologikaiser>j'aurais une question (comme vous pouvez vous en douter lol)
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10:48<mythologikaiser>j'ai une application java qui dialogue avec un serveur en traversant un proxy avec identification transparente avec un serveur LDAP.
10:49<dpkg>somebody said fr was Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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10:50<mythologikaiser>soory, I diddn't notice
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10:58<renginez>gsimmons: ill have lo leavefor a moment, ill return soon and do the procedures...thanks gsimmons...ill inform u after i done.
10:58<renginez>gsimmons: i am back, ill b offlining now and do the following procedures..
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11:01<fxiny>firebus3 seems pretty buggy : i get "source file could not be read" on about 10% of saved pages :))
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11:02<fxiny>obviously i've double checked it with iceweasel
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11:09<pingouin>amphi KadlSoft : is it 'safe' to use backport to get libgtk2.10 ? i use Etch only in my source list and i dont want to break or tweak anything
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11:11<Laeborg>well im going to code a website where users can upload games to linux. should i make a categori called Linux/Debian, Linux/RedHat ect, or will all games to debian works on redhat?
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11:13<fxiny>pingouin: i have libgtk2.10 compiled in opt
11:13<renginez>gsimmons_: i tried wget the link u gave me ( i try to extract it seems that it is not a tar.gz format....i tried manually execute via home says the same thing.
11:13<fxiny>just to check firebus3 performances
11:14<pingouin>fxiny: ok, also a solution....
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11:14<pingouin>fxiny: thanks for the advice
11:14<fxiny>pingouin: easy , google can tell you how
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11:16<gsimmons>renginez: It should have simply saved a .tar.gz file your present working directory, assuming you entered in the command correctly. What does `file' say about it? (ie. "file orinoco-0.15.tar.gz")
11:17<gsimmons>renginez: s/your/to your/
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11:18<toasterboy>is the init.d directory like the system startup directory? will all the files in that directory be started at boot time?
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11:18<toasterboy>nm. forgot about google.
11:19<toasterboy>hi and_
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11:19<ant_>hi :)
11:19<renginez>gsimmons: i accidently deleted the file,,, ill download and type "file orinoco-0.15.tar.gz" and let u noe the result.
11:20<renginez>offlining now.....
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11:23<toasterboy>what is bonobo and what does it do?
11:24<ant_>when i want to run some apps like mpd and others, error message is "cannot create socket"... do i need software for having sockets?
11:24<petemc>16:18 < toasterboy> nm. forgot about google.
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11:26<valdyn>toasterboy: are you going to ask that for all libraries that you dont know?
11:26<valdyn>toasterboy: ( instead of like using google i mean )
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11:27<toasterboy>no. i'm just getting hit's pointing to repositories.
11:27<toasterboy>no descriptions
11:27<renginez>gsimmons: its written (file : orinoco-0.15.tar.gz : ASCII text)...what that means? i got an error file?
11:28<valdyn>toasterboy: "apt-cache search bonobo" and use "apt-cache show <packagename>" on results
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11:29<pingouin>fxiny: any url under the keyboard to do that ? ;)
11:29<toasterboy>yeah. it seems like a bunch of libraries. thought it was an application or something distinct
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11:32<fxiny>pingouin: google keys "etch firefox3 " second link
11:32<toasterboy>the pid for a process keeps changing and i'm trying to kill it with "kill -9 <pid>"
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11:33<gsimmons>renginez: Most likely, examine it for any error message and try again. Else, obtain it using your web browser (, follow the "Download Orinoco 0.15 final" link.
11:34<renginez>yes, i examine it, and it seems all the same, however ill try download from the web browser...
11:35<valdyn>toasterboy: -9 is silly
11:35<valdyn>toasterboy: and processes do not change their pid
11:35<valdyn>toasterboy: its really a new process with a new pid
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11:35<valdyn>!listkeys kill
11:36<dpkg>Factoid search of 'kill' by key (15 of 53): CMD: alicekill (.*?) ;; _default kill-9 ;; etherkiller ;; killall dpkg ;; killbill ;; killerapp ;; killme ;; kills ;; kills (.*?): ;; killspree ;; nkiller ;; oom-killer ;; sigkill ;; social skills ;; you killed kenny.
11:36<valdyn>!kill -9
11:36*dpkg tears a hole in -9's head with a whip
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11:36<dpkg>somebody said kill-9 was do not use kill -9 unless you have to, because using it will keep the process from cleaning up temp files, closing sockets, informing its childs about its death and other nasty things. use "kill -15 <PID>" or "kill -2 <PID>" instead
11:36<dpkg>sigkill are you sure you want to use kill -9? What's wrong with -15, -2 and -1? See
11:36<MotoHoss>How much in MB will a DVD hold? working on resizing /tmp.
11:37<valdyn>MotoHoss: dual layer?
11:37<toasterboy>so if it's a new process with a new pid, how can i stop the program?
11:37<valdyn>MotoHoss: at least 9000
11:37<MotoHoss>so a 4500 /tmp will more than compensate.
11:38<MotoHoss>oops. wrong. 12500.
11:38<MotoHoss>I have plenty of space... I forgot on install to set aside /tmp.
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11:39<renginez>gsimmons: after downloading the file should i move it to HOMES?
11:39<renginez>directory (edit)
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11:39<MotoHoss>thanks valdyn.
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11:40<gsimmons>renginez: Yes, please. Then continue with the rest of the procedure.
11:40<renginez>gsimmons: will do, thanks.
11:42<renginez>gsimmons: btw, it doesn't matter if i download the orinoco file from windows and transfer to my ibook debian?
11:42<gsimmons>renginez: No, it won't.
11:43<pingouin>fxiny: thanks
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11:48<renginez>gsimmons: how about the teletronics.diff file can i download manually via my windows and then transfer to debian?
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11:50<gsimmons>renginez: Yes, the same method is also applicable.
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11:50*MotoHoss kicks himself for not thinking about that on install. Never had a dvd til now...
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11:56<gulaba>howto for usb install ?
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11:57<gsimmons>!tell gulaba -about usb install
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12:03<toasterboy>is there anything like tray icons for debian?
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12:07<ircMonkey>Hi, I've got 'scanimage -L' that doesn't find my scanner ; though 'sane-find-scanner' finds it. I pluged the scanner after the computer was started, and I think I remember I already solved this problem by re-starting the computer ; Any idea about how to do without restarting the computer?
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12:08<renginez>gsimmons: i did the (cp -v *.ko /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/drivers/net/wireless) command, and it says cp: cannot stat '*.ko': No such file or sure i did not type wrongly as i tried variously
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12:10<gsimmons>renginez: Sounds like you either: forgot to install 'build-essential' and friends, forgot to "make" the modules, or there was an error encountered during their compilation. You'll need to provide error output if it's the last one.
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12:12<renginez>nope i did not forgot to install the build essential (i used the original CD 1 etch debian to install successfully), and making module im not sure, which command u gave in the instruction is suppose to make module? n do i have to take screenshot to let u view?
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12:12<renginez>gsimmons: ^^^
12:14<renginez>but i did successfully patch the file
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12:14<toasterboy>i was looking at gpg, but it doesn't seem to offer whole disk encryption.
12:15<gsimmons>renginez: "make" is the relevant command WRT module building. Provide a screen shot (at a paste site) if you unsure about the output received.
12:15<gsimmons>renginez: s/unsure/are unsure/
12:16<renginez>s/unsure/are unsure/
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12:16<renginez>ok ill take a screenshot of the cp -v command
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12:17<gsimmons>renginez: No, it would be more helpful to provide a screen shot of the output immediately after "make", to determine if the modules were even built.
12:18<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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12:19<toasterboy>if i am using an encrypted lvm can i still use whole disk encryption?
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12:22<toasterboy>or is an encrypted lvm whole disk encryption
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12:22<gulaba>debian usb distro ?
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12:23<toasterboy>usb distro?
12:23<gulaba>yes ?
12:23<toasterboy>are you asking me if i'm using a usb distro?
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12:28<renginez>gsimmons: ill provide the link about i need to go out again...
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12:33<renginez>gsimmons: i think ill provide u the pic 1st before im goin off for ( expires in 3hrs...
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12:35<Stack>(apt-get samba) pre-removal script return error 102.
12:35<Stack>Who met?
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12:36<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>renginez: s/old/new is spelling correction
12:36<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>"I can speel" "s/speel/spell"
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12:43<toasterboy>or is an encrypted lvm whole disk encryption
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12:44<gsimmons>renginez: 1) Don't compile source code as the root user. 2) You didn't install the linux-headers-$(uname -r) package. Install this package, then run "make" as your regular user. 3) Don't execute permutations of commands blindly. Please follow instructions carefully.
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13:21<am2>wow debian is good
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13:31<Golfgeo>Hi all
13:32<Golfgeo>got a small question: Did the ipw3945 kernel module go too the kernel upstream? (apt is telling me it wants to deinstall it)
13:32<Skrat> <--- OH MY SWEET GOD
13:33*Skrat shrugs
13:33<Skrat>But seriously, read
13:34<Golfgeo>Know about the issues Skrat
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13:35<noflash>Skrat, But seriously, that's off topic in here
13:35<Skrat>That it may be.
13:35<Skrat>But still.
13:35<noflash>no still ;)
13:35<Skrat>Yes still. :(
13:36<themill>Golfgeo: no it didn't, it was replaced by iwlwifi. What kernel are you running (uname -r)
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13:37<Golfgeo>2.6.22-3-686 templar
13:37<Golfgeo>themill: 2.6.22-3-686
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13:38<Golfgeo>Found a reference to that :-) firmware-iwl something ...
13:38<themill>Golfgeo: you either need to recompile the modules for that kernel using module assistant, or move to a newer kernel that has the iwlwifi built in. (You can try to install iwlwifi in that kernel but there's no real point)
13:38<themill>Golfgeo: /msg dpkg ipw3545 ; /msg dpkg iwlwifi
13:38<Golfgeo>Thanks mate :-)
13:39<themill>Golfgeo: Are you running lenny?
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13:39<Golfgeo>Mixed system atm.
13:39<themill>Golfgeo: lenny/sid?
13:40<Golfgeo>Backports up to and including unstable...
13:40<themill>Golfgeo: eww... you don't want to do that.
13:40<Golfgeo>I do :-P
13:40<Golfgeo>I needed some old stuff and some of the bleeding edge stuff :-)
13:40<themill>Golfgeo: stick to one release or do your own backports properly.
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13:41<Golfgeo>themill: Not my cup of soupe to compile when not needed...
13:41<themill>Golfgeo: much less likely to break though, and it's not that hard. /msg dpkg ssb
13:41<Golfgeo>themill: Still not my cup of soupe... And breakage doesn't happen too me that often...
13:42<themill>Golfgeo: anyway, 2.6.24 is in lenny which has the iwl3945 driver in there. The debian wiki has some tips about migrating from ipw3945 to iwlwifi
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13:42<Golfgeo>Got onto the Deb wiki :-)
13:43<Golfgeo>What was the command again to rescan all the modules and build a new list?
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13:43<Golfgeo>So it will be recocgnisted at boot?
13:43<Golfgeo><- Needs to spend more time on Debian and less in his textbooks
13:44<Golfgeo>30 sec. to go on the downloads :-)
13:44<themill>Golfgeo: depmod; but you shouldn't need to do that.
13:44<Golfgeo>hmm, will see
13:45<Golfgeo>Wasn't there a two leter command to do that?
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13:46<Golfgeo>Hi there toasterboy
13:47<toasterboy>i'm using iceweasel and i noticed that i cant click the middle-button on my mouse and smooth-scrooll in any direction. do i need to install a mouse driver or something?
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13:48<toasterboy>does that make sense?
13:48<toasterboy>do you have a 3-button mouse?
13:48<Golfgeo>Scroll wheel mouse
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13:49<Golfgeo>If it does something why do you need to enable it?
13:49<Golfgeo>gtg reboot
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14:00<toasterboy>could a grub password be "bypassed" if one had access to the file and just copied the hash and pasted it into the unauthorized grub
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14:19<toasterboy>any way to configure gnome so that when i click on a folder in the explorer it does not open a new window but opens the folder in the same window?
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14:23<aluno>.-222222D1R2XF[ÇDAAS´AAS'1256666666 cza1r
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14:24<cdlu>how deep.
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14:27<Lethalman>toasterboy, yes
14:27<Lethalman>you can set an option in the preferences to open browser windows
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14:32<fxiny> /part
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14:45<toasterboy>is firestarter itself a firewall or just a frontend?
14:45<Torsten_W>its a frontend
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14:46<toasterboy>k. recommend a firewall?
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14:48<toasterboy>Torsten_W: it's home page describes it as an actual firewall
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14:49<valdyn>toasterboy: why do you care if its a firewall or a frontend?
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14:50<toasterboy>valdyn: i could be mistaken, but if it's just a frontend then there is no actual firewall in place, yes?
14:50<valdyn>toasterboy: or mabe you dont understand what a frontend is either
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14:51<toasterboy>it was my understanding that a frontend was just a gui to allow a user to interact with a running service
14:51<valdyn>toasterboy: frontend = user interface to some functionality
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14:52<toasterboy>so why have a frontend if there is no service to access?
14:52<valdyn>toasterboy: why do you think that debian provides no firewall?
14:52<Hideo>everything's a frontend to iptables
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14:52<valdyn>toasterboy: i.e. "no service to access"
14:52<valdyn>not to mention that iptables is frontend too
14:52<toasterboy>so firestarter is just a frontend to iptables?
14:53<valdyn>toasterboy: sure
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14:53<toasterboy>then i need to configure iptables to secure my machine
14:53<valdyn>toasterboy: you cant use anything if it has no frontend
14:53<toasterboy>ok. what is iptables?
14:53<toasterboy>nm. google
14:53<valdyn>toasterboy: the cli frontend to the kernel firewall
14:53<Stack>libc6 >2.6, who know name of repository with??? ?? ?? ?? ?? ? .. . .
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14:53<renginez>gsimmons: i am back accordig to ur 1) Don't compile source code as the root user. 2) You didn't install the linux-headers-$(uname -r) package. Install this package, then run "make" as your regular user. 3) Don't execute permutations of commands blindly. Please follow instructions carefully
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14:54<valdyn>Stack: what do you really need?
14:54<renginez>so how do i install the linux headers (what command i should give?)
14:54<renginez>gsimmons: ^^
14:54<valdyn>renginez: m-a prepare
14:55<renginez>valdyn: i did not get u? is that a command?
14:55<valdyn>renginez: yes
14:55<Stack>valdyn: libc6 ver. >2.6 in deb repository.
14:55<valdyn>Stack: im sure thats a means to a goal
14:55<valdyn>Stack: what is your goal?
14:55<Hideo>man m-a
14:56<renginez>valdyn: so i run it under root or user terminal? this installs the header package?
14:56<valdyn>renginez: as root
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14:57<toasterboy>make sure you get the right headers
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14:59<renginez>i tried the command (#m-a prepare ...i got : bash : m-a: command not found.....and i ran the command man m-a i get...: No manual entry for m-a)..
14:59<renginez>valdyn, toasterboy:
14:59<jello>renginez: apt-get install module-assistant
15:00<toasterboy>what are you doing?
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15:01<renginez>gsimmons: i tried (# aptitude install linux-headers-$9uname -r) and it told me that it couldnt find any package of it...
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15:02<panagos>is there a way to access info about my ram from linux? like type (ddr, ddr2, etc), clock speed, et
15:02<panagos>* etc
15:02<toasterboy>that info should be available in your system BIOS
15:03<toasterboy>panagos: ^^
15:03<renginez>jello: the (apt-get install module-assistant) command allow me to install a new this the one which install linux-headers-$(uname -r) package??
15:03<panagos>toasterboy: i don't want to reboot! :D
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15:03<Stack>valdyn: libc6 (>=2.6-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 installed
15:03<jello>renginez: install m-a, then run m-a prepare
15:03<toasterboy>panagos: memtest86
15:04<toasterboy>jello: what is m-a
15:04<toasterboy>oh. nm
15:04<renginez>jello: i typed "installed m-a" rite on the root or user terminal>?
15:04<Hideo>renginez: man apt-get
15:04<jello>renginez: no, type `apt-get install module-assistant`
15:04<Hideo>read the debian reference
15:04<renginez>toasterboy: m=module, a=assistant i guess?
15:05<Stack>valdyn: libgcc1 (>=1:4.2-20070516) but 1:4.1.1-21 installed ................. and others! please say me repository, If you know/
15:05<valdyn>panagos: dmidecode
15:05<valdyn>Stack: seriously, if you cant answer my precise questions, dont bother
15:05<valdyn>Stack: what are you trying to achieve?
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15:05<Hideo>Stack: more than 1 punctuation marks doesn't make your question any more important
15:05<renginez>jello: i typed the apt-get install module-assistant and successfully install one whats next?
15:06<jello>renginez: `m-a prepare`
15:07<renginez>jello: I ran the "m-a prepare" command as roots and it couldnt find any package of it?
15:07<panagos>valdyn: dmidecode worked, thanks! :)
15:07<jello>renginez: huh? what was the error message?
15:09<Stack>valdyn: automatic upgrade, I think my sources.list isnt normal. thx
15:09<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
15:09<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
15:10<valdyn>Stack: etch or stable, not unstable or lenny or testing or sid
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15:12<Stack>valdyn: ok. many thanks! I use deb etch/updates main contrib its good?
15:12<valdyn>Stack: yes
15:12<toasterboy>is there a download manager that can generate url lists?
15:12<toasterboy>like flashgot
15:13<valdyn>Stack: except that contrib without non-free is probably not useful
15:13<toasterboy>or hidownload
15:13<toasterboy>but those are windows
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15:13<valdyn>Stack: and only if you have a line for the etch main repository too, what you showed is only security fixes
15:14<Stack>valdyn: But I dont know other.
15:14<Hideo>toasterboy: curl, aria2
15:14<valdyn>Stack: "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main contrib non-free"
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15:15<Stack>valdyn: thx
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15:17<renginez>jello: here is the picture of the error message (
15:17<renginez>jello: view the highlighted one
15:18<toasterboy>hideo thanks
15:18<valdyn>!info linux-image-powerpc
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15:24<renginez>i tried (# aptitude install linux-headers-$uname -r) and it told me that it couldnt find any package of it...
15:24<valdyn>renginez: paste /etc/apt/sources.list on a paste site
15:25<renginez>gsimmons: ^^^^
15:25<renginez>valdyn: which source list? should i type /etc/apt/sources to get the source list?
15:26<valdyn>renginez: can i be any more precise than "/etc/apt/sources.list" ?
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15:26<valdyn>renginez: its a text file.
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15:27<renginez>is a text file isee
15:27<valdyn>renginez: why the hell are you trying to compile something when you have difficulties with this already?
15:28<renginez>im sorry for being not understandable as im totally new in this, i even do not noe which terminal to type wheter in debian or mac ;-)
15:28<renginez>dats me'
15:28<dolphinikd>Hello, I am krevedko.
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15:30<renginez>valdyn: for ur info i was actually trying to patch and compile a file for my PCMCIA wifi driver....heres what our kind gsimmon gave me (, to get it done, but im stuck on 11th procedure....mind have a look?
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15:32<valdyn>renginez: thats not useful to proceed, just confirms that you are actually stuck at where you are stuck and why i want to see your /etc/apt/sources.list
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15:33<renginez>ok, so for now, can u tell me how do i do the /etc/apt/sources.list thing? simpler explanation pls...for new user.
15:34<valdyn>renginez: you paste that text file
15:34<renginez>valdyn: from where to where sir?
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15:35<Hideo>to a paste site
15:35<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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15:35<renginez>i noe about the paste site, but is (/etc/apt/sources.list) another command? u get me?
15:36<meoblast001>hi... im having trouble finding a place that can help me with a mysql error im having.... since ubuntu and debian have the same mysql package (i think), i was wondering if you guys could help
15:36<valdyn>renginez: i already told you that that is a text file
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15:36<Hideo>renginez: a command is generally just an executable file
15:36<Hideo>everything's a file
15:37<meoblast001>i keep getting this error "ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket 'var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)" when i start mysql... can anyone help?
15:38<renginez>valdyn, Hideo: (i noe this will get eveybody frustrated) but where can i get the /etc/apt/sources.list text file then?
15:38<Lethalman>meoblast001, is mysql running?
15:38<meoblast001>Lethalman: no
15:38<valdyn>renginez: its on your system
15:38<Lethalman>well start it then
15:38<Hideo>renginez: it's in /etc/apt/
15:38<meoblast001>Lethalman: i started getting this error when i installed Anope
15:38<valdyn>renginez: why dont you get a friend to do this for you
15:38<Lethalman>meoblast001, then first start mysql and install anope
15:38<mase>meoblast001 whats "/etc/init.d/mysql restart" telling?
15:38<valdyn>renginez: you're like an infant trying to fly a jumbo
15:38<Hideo>the /etc/apt/ of the /etc/apt/sources.list is the path to file
15:39<meoblast001>mase: it stops ok... then fails to start
15:39<Hideo>valdyn: ew analogy
15:39<mase>meoblast001 whats about the mysql log?
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15:39<valdyn>Hideo: yea =/ got a better one?
15:39<meoblast001>mase: the log just tells me a bunch of binary files to look at.. its weird
15:39<mase>meoblast001 /var/log/mysql.err ?
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15:40<meoblast001>mase: let me check
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15:40<valdyn>renginez: pretty weird that you have a broken /etc/apt/sources.list when you dont even know where or what that is
15:41<bbcdd>Hello all; where are the icons/images in Debian that my install comes with? Say, for changing my panel icon for a launcher?
15:41<renginez>valdyn: right....yeap, now i got it...sorry man...its just im damn new in this...lifes never easy man....chill bro.
15:41<meoblast001>mase: i have /var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.index
15:42<mase>meoblast001 no, thats reconstruction code... not human readyble
15:42<Hideo>valdyn: I think he just hadn't done an apt-get update yet since his cd installation b/c he can't get the wifi card to work
15:42<mase>meoblast001 you should have files like var/log/mysql.log and /var/log/mysql.err
15:42<meoblast001>mase: then what should i be looking for.. in what directory... if i cant find it, ill assume its Canonical edited and realize that this problem is forever mine
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15:42<meoblast001>mase: oh
15:43<valdyn>Hideo: probably
15:43<valdyn>Hideo: though m-a installed
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15:43<Hideo>oh right, I forgot about that
15:44<bbcdd>Sorry to ask again so soon: where's the folder in Debian with all the installed/system icons?
15:44<meoblast001>mase: new error i found... when running mysqld instead of mysql... it says /var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.index not found
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15:45<valdyn>bbcdd: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/rhythmbox.png for instance
15:45<valdyn>bbcdd: but you dont really need to know that..
15:45<valdyn>bbcdd: you just use the GUI to change the icon
15:45<meoblast001>mase: the logs are empty
15:45<bbcdd>Ah I see - but I didn't know where to browse to... thank you valdyn! <---satisfied
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15:46<meoblast001>mase: this makes no sence... it says it cant find /var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.index but im looking right at it
15:47<meoblast001>and im running as root
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15:47<aequanimus>hello, need help. when i try to use sudo, got error sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Nov 12 02:32:47 2011
15:47<meoblast001>where are there 2 mases?
15:48<mase_>meoblast001 mases?
15:48<meoblast001>mase_ and mase
15:48<dondelelcaro>aequanimus: you need to delete the timestamp as root.
15:48<aequanimus>dondelelcaro, how?
15:48<meoblast001>mase_: are you the same as mase.. or a different person?
15:48<dondelelcaro>(though sudo really should kill it off automatically)
15:49<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
15:49<mase_>meoblast001 the log files (sorry got an connection error...) are /var/log/mysql.log and /var/log/mysql.err (same person)
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15:50<meoblast001>mase_: checked those..... they're empty.... but if i run mysqld instead of mysql.. it says /var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.index doesnt exist..... but im looking right at it
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15:51<meoblast001>mase_: i would be in the Ubuntu channel right now but i got really frustrated the otherday, went off, and got banned... so im stuck using #linux and trying to get ppl in #debian to be sympathetic of me
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15:52<mase_>meoblast001 oha, strange, look like an database crash... is there anything importand in the database?
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15:53<meoblast001>mase_: sort of.... my well... forums... but no one ever uses those... i could reinstall and set it back up
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15:53<meoblast001>mase_: actually.. im the only one who posted on my forums since the last problem (forgot to backup when switching from fedora)
15:53<renginez>valdyn: heres the screenshot i made for etc/apt/source.list (
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15:55<meoblast001>mase_: should i purge mysql and start over?
15:55<petterson>is it possible to create a file in linux that when some process write in it ... it redirects to a windows printer?
15:55<Hideo>renginez: uncomment the last 2 lines that begin with "deb"
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15:56<Hideo>renginez: then do "apt-get update"
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15:56<Hideo>oh wait, you still don't have net access yet
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15:56<renginez>Hideo: yeah...watta memory u had,...i was uncomment = delete those deb words?
15:57<mase__>meoblast001 but you tried to start mysql as root, didn't you?
15:57<Hideo>renginez: no, don't do that
15:57<meoblast001>mase_: yes
15:57<renginez>Hideo: so ur uncomment means?
15:58<Hideo>renginez: don't do anything yet, gimme a min
15:58<meoblast001>mase_: im afraid that if Anope runs on MySQL... it will crash.. ill have to reinstall that... and that will crash MySQL and the process starts over
15:58<renginez>Hideo: you got that sir.
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15:59<mase__>meoblast001 i don't know Anope but a application should not be able to "crash" a db, it's just able to remove the whole stuff ;)
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15:59<mase__>meoblast001 try moving the /var/log/mysql/* files to a backup directory, so that the directory /var/log/mysql is empty
15:59<Hideo>renginez: download this "" on to your windows machine, then copy it over to the mac, then as root, do "dpkg -i linux-headers.....deb"
16:00<Hideo>renginez: the .... means you have to type in whatever name of that file
16:00<meoblast001>mase_: oh... well sadly... the only 2 available version of Anope have bugs... and i obtained another copy that must be too... back when i first installed with Fedora-Crap (or maybe back when i had debian) it was great.. but idk now
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16:01<DBAlex>hey gays
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16:01<meoblast001>mase_: im just saying screw it
16:01<meoblast001>mase_: ill redo it all
16:01<mase__>meoblast001 it't probably not Anope (you won't have problems without Anope because there is no database traffic at all...)
16:02<meoblast001>mase_: ill reinstall anope then... idk
16:02<meoblast001>mase_ have the 3 users on my IRC reregister
16:02<renginez>Hideo: wait a sec aight, my debians kinda lag, it frequently hang n i need to resrt, well lets not talk bout it 1st...
16:02<meoblast001>since i have thier AIM and MSN
16:02<Gazzu>Hi, How can I check e-mail server configuration?
16:02<meoblast001>mase_: dpkg just died
16:02<DBAlex>whats min spec for debian?
16:02<DBAlex>or does it vary per platform/arch?
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16:03<valdyn>DBAlex: 32mb
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16:03<meoblast001>mase_: oh no... dpkg is "dead" until mysql will start
16:03<Gazzu>How to manage e/mail configuration_
16:03<DBAlex>can I boot with 32mb and no swap?
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16:03<valdyn>DBAlex: you can run the installer with 32mb
16:03<meoblast001>mase_: how do i have dpkg ignore errors and through this b!tch away?
16:03<DBAlex>ah ok
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16:04<DBAlex>not run debian then
16:04<DBAlex>just install
16:04<valdyn>DBAlex: it should run with less
16:04<DBAlex>ah ok
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16:04<DBAlex>valdyn: even w/ out swap?
16:04<valdyn>DBAlex: i doubt its a decent choice for a 32mb ram system
16:04<DBAlex>hehe, would be fun though :-P
16:05<Hideo>renginez: doing the above are under the assumptions that you had all the dependencies installed, which I don't know if you do or not from the base cd installation
16:05<valdyn>DBAlex: like a root canal, yea
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16:06<petterson>is it possible to create a file in linux that when some process write in it ... it redirects to a windows printer?
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16:06<valdyn>petterson: thats silly, but sure you can do that
16:07<meoblast001>mase_: oh sorry didnt realize you quit
16:07<weasel>I'm sure that can be built. why anybody would do it like that is a different matter
16:07<meoblast001>mase_: dpkg is "dead".. it refused to do anything until mysql starts up
16:07<mase_>meoblast001 ??? but your hard disk/file system is ok? (sorry, still network problem)
16:07<petterson>valdyn: 1) why is it silly? 2) how can I do that?
16:07<meoblast001>mase_: filesystem is ok
16:08<meoblast001>mase_: i was instructed to run dpkg --configure -a
16:08<meoblast001>mase_: and that tries to restart mysql.. and fails
16:08<valdyn>petterson: because theres sane ways to print too
16:08<Hideo>renginez: if there are problems with dependencies, I'd do as valdyn suggested and get someone to help, b/c it's a bitch to direct someone online to solve dependency problems
16:08<petterson>valdyn: I need to use an app that prints to a text file or a local printer ... the only way I thought about how to print to it was this one
16:08<meoblast001>mase_: synaptic, apt-get, aptitude, the works all wont run until i can fix that
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16:08<mase_>meoblast001 thats normal; you should first fix mysql
16:09<meoblast001>mase_: how?
16:09<weasel>petterson: by local printer it probably means any printer the system knows about.
16:09<mase_>meoblast001 :)
16:09<weasel>petterson: so setup printing properly.
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16:09<valdyn>petterson: why do you think ANY unix app would print to a local printer only?
16:09<meoblast001>mase_: well..... Anope works.. so it must not be running MySQL
16:09<valdyn>petterson: apps cant tell if a printer is local or not
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16:10<renginez>Hideo: will renaming the .deb file affect the file?
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16:10<Hideo>renginez: I don't know, it's better not to rename it
16:10<mase_>renginez no
16:10<renginez>Hideo: cus it says error were encountered while processing? when i did the dpkg command
16:11<meoblast001>mase_: so am i f***ed?
16:11<Hideo>what else dose it says
16:11<renginez>mase_: so renaming does not affect anything rite?
16:11<valdyn>!cups setup
16:11<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cups setup is install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db packages. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or you can try printconf
16:11<valdyn>petterson: ^^^
16:11<Hideo>renginez: what else dose it says
16:11<mase_>renginez normally not
16:11<petterson>valdym: probably is by my lack of knowledge in linux
16:12<petterson>valdym: I'll try to learn to setup an printer ...
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16:12<petterson>valdym: nowadays the printer I setup only prints if I'm logged as root
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16:12<valdyn>!tab completion
16:12<dpkg>Hit <tab> to complete the nick ( on irc ), the program- or filename ( in bash ) or various program parameters ( in bash with tab-completion scripts enabled )
16:13<renginez>Hideo: wait yah, ill upload the pics..
16:13<petterson>valdyn: thanks anyway
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16:15<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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16:19<renginez>Hideo: sorry for the late reply, heers the error it showed me (
16:19<Bladesman>Have an identd question. In the man page it mentions "opening kernel devices." Is there an English translation of what this means, as rfc1413 isn't giving me a clue about it, except for maybe the report that I may be a UNIX system?
16:19<Hideo>renginez: as I thought, dependency problem
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16:20<renginez>Hideo: so how to solve it? and whats a dependency problem?
16:21<dpkg>from memory, dependency is a package needed by another package. Dependencies are pointed out by dpkg. Dependencies are resolved by apt-get. called a dependency for a good reason
16:21<renginez>Hideo: I think i should download all the 16 CD.ISO from debian website and install all of em, that would cause less problem//
16:21<Bladesman>Dependency problems arrise due to missing libraries that are used to provide functions shared among programs.
16:22<renginez>Bladesman: thanks....
16:22<renginez>Hideo: So what i should do now?
16:23<Hideo>renginez: I think it maybe best to get someone to help you in live person
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16:24<Hideo>renginez: b/c I don't know what you have installed or not, and everytime I ask you would have to take a screenshot and paste
16:24<renginez>Hideo: Well i know no one who had those skills...
16:24<Hideo>and so on and so forth, it would take forever
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16:25<renginez>Hideo: any good suggestion? maybe choosing other linux distro? will ubuntu has less pain on the ***?
16:25<Hideo>renginez: go there, , see the red dots? Those are packages that linux-headers depends on, now click on those, see more red dots, those are packages that that particular package depends on
16:26<toasterb0y>renginez: why aren't you using aptitude or synaptic?
16:26<Bladesman>aptitude reinstall <package> --fix-missing?
16:27<Hideo>renginez: I have no idea what modification you did to the wifi card and why the driver needs to be compiled, but if it is the case, you would still need to do similar procedures on other distros
16:27<Hideo>toasterb0y, Bladesman he has no network connection
16:27<Hideo>he's trying to compile his wifi card's driver
16:28<renginez>Bladesman, toasterboy: But if it would really help me, i dun mind to walk here n there to get the cable on the outside working...
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16:28<toasterb0y>which card
16:29<Hideo>renginez: if you can get network working, then it's much less of a bitch to proceed
16:29<renginez>Hideo: yes, im actually halfway doing it, thanks to gsimmons, undfortunately he is offline, he gave me alot of tips, n create a patch for me...a great man indeed..
16:29<meoblast001>* Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned). < life sux
16:29<renginez>toasterboy: i think its either orinoco or prism...
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16:30<toasterb0y>same difference
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16:30<meoblast001>anyone want to teach me the difference between /var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.index and /var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.index?
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16:30*Bladesman dunno squat about wifi or encryption protocols. Have it on a laptop, but it's a Mickeysoft machine which I almost never run (because of wifi).
16:30<Hideo>renginez: get a cat6 and get your network connection up if you can
16:30<renginez>Hideo: so can i start doing this thang now? il try sneaking out my brothers cable n get it installed outside my room....
16:30<renginez>Hideo: i got worries...connection is superb...
16:31<Hideo>is it connected to the internet now?
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16:31<petterson>valdyn: thanks, using localhost:631 I could properly setup a printer and use it in my app, sorry by my dumbness
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16:31<renginez>Hideo: ill need to sneak out my bros room 1st...giv me a sec aight...
16:31*Bladesman jamz...
16:32<Bladesman>Keep well...
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16:32<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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16:39<toasterb0y>so i'm getting a message that glibc is missing, but i'm not sure which package to install. would it be calle libc-dev?
16:40<renginez>Hideo: i got the cable....yeah......................btw is there any Xchat irc server available for linux, i want to install on i can get live support, no need for me to go out n in...
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16:41<Hideo>renginez: hang on a second
16:41<renginez>Hideo: ok.
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16:42<Hideo>renginez: print that out,
16:43<renginez>Hideo: i do not had printer....ill just write down
16:44<Hideo>renginez: less confusing,
16:46<meoblast001>do debian packages last longer than ubuntu packages (like... not f#$% up as early)
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16:48<Hideo>renginez: to install an irc client, do "apt-get install"
16:49<Hideo>oops, apt-get install xchat
16:49<renginez>Hideo: sounds workable...thanks alot man....once done ill get back online again n to u. (cus i dun have irc client on my debian)
16:49<renginez>apt-get install xchat from roots (it will download from there)?
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16:49<Hideo>I don't use xchat, but it should be easy to figure out for you
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16:49<meoblast001>its sad when you have to install a DEB file with file-roller
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16:50<renginez>ok ill be offline for a wile....hideo.
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16:56<meoblast001>im in desperate need of help
16:56<meoblast001>if i cant get it soon
16:56<meoblast001>im going to have to reinstall my operating system
16:56<meoblast001>which is currently impossible for me to do
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17:03<toasterb0y>that doestn't sound good
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17:08<meoblast001>toasterb0y: im completely purging everything with the word mysql in it
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17:17<NickBee>Guys, i need some help with network
17:17<NickBee>there is one of our servers running (under vmware server)
17:17<NickBee>after a reboot on main server, the debian server (guest os) is not able to communicate to outside world
17:18<NickBee>any pointers will be appreciated
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17:18<NickBee>i checked the contents of /etc/network/interfaces and it seems to be correct
17:18<NickBee>am able to ping only the localhost, nothing else
17:20<BlAzKoWiCz>Is it the only server thats having problems? Is VMware configured correctly?
17:21<meoblast001>will i get banned if i cus my @$$ off
17:21<NickBee>the setup was working fine before the host reboot (which was rebooted due to some security patches installed from Micorsoft)
17:22<NickBee>what do i need to check in vmware config
17:22<NickBee>as nothing has changed in vmware configuration
17:23<xid>but if " security patches " are wrong ?
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17:24<renginez>Hideo: i done everything, successfully man... thanks....and i successfully proceed with gsimmons procedure, but i dun see any wireless connection...
17:25<NickBee>could be the reason, but what can i check to make sure?
17:26<Hideo>renginez: you'll have to wait and ask him then, as I'm not familiar with your wifi card or the particular patch
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17:26<renginez>Hideo: ok man u help me alot...u r genius bro....thanks
17:26<renginez>guess ill need sum help now here
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17:27<Hideo>renginez: as root, what does iwconfig show you?
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17:28<renginez>no wireless extension for all....
17:29<Hideo>ok, then I dunno :P
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17:30<Hideo>renginez: btw, if that machine is still connected to the internet, you should upgrade it, since the packages from the installation cd might be out of date
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17:31<renginez>Hideo: i tought doing apt-get updates does the word>..
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17:31<Hideo>renginez: "apt-get update" only sync the index of the packages, to upgrade, do "apt-get upgrade"
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17:32<NickBee>guys, any ideas?
17:32<Hideo>NickBee: sounds like something microsoft did, since the security patches were from them?
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17:37<NickBee>Hideo: but the other server running under same vmware server is operating fine
17:37<NickBee>there are 2 servers running under vmware server, which is installed on a windows server 2003
17:37<NickBee>after the host reboot
17:38<xid>NickBee, if you suspect debian, run a debian in virtualbox on a debian host, if you suspect win, run a win in virtualbox on a debian host
17:38<NickBee>debian stops working, while centos 5.1 still works fine
17:38<Hideo>NickBee: but if you hadn't change anything in the debian servers, and only updated microsoft security patches, what other causes could it be?
17:38<NickBee>the server rebooted, can
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17:39<Hideo>NickBee: you did not change anything in that debian server?
17:40<NickBee>can by any chance, network configuration get damaged or corrupt?
17:40<Hideo>NickBee: hmm, try a network sniffer, both inside and outside the vmware server?
17:41<Hideo>NickBee: it's possible
17:41<Hideo>NickBee: if that's the case, try fsck?
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17:42<renginez>Hideo: no problem ill do the upgrade when im free, while waiting for gsimmons.
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18:01<toasterboy>how do i know if i want to install regular nvidia drivers or legacy drivers?
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18:07<yo>how to do a raid 5 by software?
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18:10<MotoHoss>made a partition/dev/hdb9 formatted ext3. want to use it as /tmp. what has to be put in /etc/fstab to make it so?
18:10<tod222>Does anyone know the status of multiarch support, for running 32-bit software on a 64-bit installation?
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18:11<toasterboy>i'm having a graphics issue
18:12<toasterboy>here is the error message i'm receiving
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18:14<MotoHoss>hmm no takers.
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18:15<tod222>MotoHoss, something like "/dev/hdb9 /tmp ext3 defaults 0 2"
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18:17<toasterboy>i take it <version> stands for 2.6.18-6-686
18:17<toasterboy>what does <arch> mean?
18:18<xid>toasterboy, why you copy/paste old internet msg as your error ? May 27 2003
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18:19<renginez>Hi guys, im trying a new way which is im trying to get a mandrake 8.2 driver to work on that possible?
18:19<toasterboy>xid what?
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18:19<xid> 2.55 linux-i386 May 27 2003
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18:19<toasterboy>that link is broken. i dont kno what yo mean
18:19<xid>toasterboy, first line in your post
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18:20<toasterboy>what about it? does it mean something?
18:20<tod222>toasterboy, have you run glxinfo?
18:21<toasterboy>tod222: where is it located?
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18:22<toasterboy>it doesn't exist. what package am i missing here?
18:22<tod222>But you'll be better off going to the web and searching for how to run games on Linux, specifically how to configure X
18:23<toasterboy>glxinfo does not exist on my system anywhere. what package is it from?
18:23<Gazzu>ok, I have installed apache, it works propertly, ssh server works, what do I need to start managing e-mail serveer_
18:23<tod222>Do you have an Nvidia card?
18:24<toasterboy>Gazzu: popd smtpd
18:24<tod222>Toasterboy: mesa-utils has glxinfo on Ubuntu
18:25<tod222>You need either mesa or the proprietary Nvidia driver to get glx support, I think
18:26<tod222>Does anyone know the status of multiarch support, for running 32-bit software on a 64-bit installation?
18:26<renginez> Hi guys, im trying a new way which is im trying to get a mandrake 8.2 driver to work on that possible
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18:28<MotoHoss>nope. that didn't get 'er done. wrong permissions. and no 't' at the end of the directory line.
18:28<MotoHoss>I'll do some more research. thanks for your help.
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18:31<toasterboy>what's wrong with this?
18:31<toasterboy>deb testing main contrib non-free
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18:32<craigevil>toasterboy: change it to deb testing main contrib non-free
18:33<toasterboy>yeah. i just noticed
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18:37<toasterboy>this is my sources.list
18:37<toasterboy>i'm getting errors
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18:40<craigevil>wtf do you have stable,testing and unstable
18:40<toasterboy>cause i don't know what i'm doing
18:40<craigevil>pick one not all 3
18:40<toasterboy>only one?
18:40<panagos>how can i find what version a given kernel image file is?
18:41<toasterboy>how do i decide which to use?
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18:42<toasterboy>k. i'm going with testing
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18:45<renginez>anyone knows whats the irc server for MANDRAKE? URGENT!!
18:45<toasterboy>Err testing/main Packages
18:45<toasterboy> 404 Not Found [IP: 80]
18:46<toasterboy>panagos: uname -r
18:46<panagos>toasterboy: i mean, without booting into it :)
18:47<toasterboy>:/ can you access the filesystem?
18:48<panagos>toasterboy: yes
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18:49<panagos>if there is a way...
18:49<toasterboy>there is
18:49<toasterboy>you just have to find...
18:49<toasterboy>just a sec
18:50<toasterboy>panagos: try navigating to /var/cache/apt/archives/
18:50<toasterboy> wait. that's not the correct version on my box...
18:51<panagos>toasterboy: ummm, it's not a debian distro :S
18:51<panagos>toasterboy: no /var/cache/apt/archives/
18:51<toasterboy>this is a debian channel
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18:51<panagos>i was just pwned :|
18:52<panagos>toasterboy: thanks anyway :) i'll probably check out with some general linux channel...
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18:53<toasterboy>craigevil: i'm running apt-get update and it's trying to stat some sources that i removed from the sources.list file.
18:54<xid>panagos, enter/mount debian partition and look in /boot for vmlinux-blala
18:56<panagos>right, it's just there at the file name.............................. *__*
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19:00<toasterboy>ignore that first one
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19:04<xid>toasterboy, use just that line "deb testing main contrib non-free"
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19:04<toasterboy>i want unstable though
19:05<xid>said already testing
19:06<toasterboy>oh. then unstable now
19:06<xid>toasterboy, use just that line "deb unstable main contrib non-free"
19:06<toasterboy>yeah. that worked
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19:07<marcot>Hello, my sound card is very noisy in lenny. In etch it was ok, and also in Ubuntu Hardy, which has also alsa 1.0.16.
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19:22<toasterboy>if i choose testing and upgrade my system does that mean i'm using lenny?
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19:23<marcot>toasterboy: yes.
19:23<toasterboy>anyone using lenny?
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19:24<snogglethorpe>toasterboy: which one is lenny again?
19:24<snogglethorpe>toasterboy: testing?
19:24<toasterboy>ff3 is out
19:24<avu>yes, lenny is testing currently
19:24<Gazzu>how can I know what php vesion I do have intalled?
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19:25<avu>Gazzu, dpkg -l | grep php | grep ^i
19:25<avu>Gazzu, for example
19:26<nadya>silly question --ff3?
19:26<avu>firefox 3.0
19:26<dpkg>methinks ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it - Currently broken in sid with bug numbers #486673 #486354 #484270
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19:26<Gazzu>avu: thank you
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19:27<snogglethorpe>i just wish the iceweasel logo was higher resolution :-)
19:27<toasterboy>yeah. what a tragedy
19:28<toasterboy>file it as a bug
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19:28<toasterboy>you could get the credit for "fixing" it
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19:28<marcot>toasterboy: I'm using lenny.
19:29<nadya>have you seen the trick on ''?
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19:32<snogglethorpe>nadya: yees, what is that weasel doing?!?
19:33<snogglethorpe>nadya: [but hmm that's a nice logo]
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19:54<Dasmoover>can anyone point out whats wrong with this command? (while root) mount -t ntfs /proc/partitions/sdb5/ media/backup
19:54<peterS>Dasmoover: /proc/partitions is a (virtual) file, not a device. you want /dev/sdb5
19:54<toasterboy>what message is it returning?
19:55<Dasmoover>Ah, ill give that a go, brb
19:55<peterS>you also probably want -r, which is short for -o ro, which means read-only
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19:55<peterS>...though that could still be the default, I have no idea
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19:59<toasterboy>ok. how can i terminate the x server? not restart, but stop it
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20:04<toasterboy>ok. grub now shows a entry for 2.6.18-6-686 as well as for 2.6.18-6-486. what could cause that?
20:05<|Ryan52>toasterboy: you have both packages installed.
20:05<toasterboy>so remove the 486 kernel? is it the kernel i want to remove?
20:06<|Ryan52>Pentium Pro/Celeron/Pentium II/Pentium III/Pentium 4 machines
20:06<|Ryan52>toasterboy: ^^those use 686
20:06<toasterboy>that's what i got
20:06<|Ryan52>toasterboy: and newer than those
20:06<toasterboy>so how do i get rid of the 486
20:06<toasterboy>*that entry
20:07<|Ryan52>apt-get remove linux-image-2.6-486
20:07<|Ryan52>apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 (I think)
20:08<|Ryan52>ya, I was right.
20:10<toasterboy>anyone using an nvidia card?
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20:10<|Ryan52>toasterboy: yes.
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20:11<toasterboy>did you compile from source or did you get the package from their site?
20:11<|Ryan52>!tell toasterboy about nvidia-one-liner
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20:21<VTommy>anyone know of a java web-browser in console?
20:22<toasterboy>yeah. jconsole
20:22<VTommy>that package is not available?
20:23<VTommy>any other ? or where can i get jconsole
20:24<|Ryan52>VTommy: sun-java5-jdk
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20:29<Dasmoover>So, after swapping my xorg.conf, GRUB cant find my debian partition
20:29<dondelelcaro>those are orthogonal
20:29<Dasmoover>says root (hd1,2) error 22: no such partition, i cant even get into a terminal
20:30<Dasmoover>any ideas
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20:31<jimisrvrox>why is it that every time I start debian that I have to resize my screen on my monitor there has to be some settings for that somewhere
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20:32<Dasmoover>pretty sure thats xorg.conf
20:32<Dasmoover>makes sure whatever tool you're using to edit your res can write to it
20:32<Dasmoover>so start it as root
20:32<jimisrvrox>das you talking to me?
20:33<jimisrvrox>ok i thought that was so
20:33<peterS>no, I don't think random tools write to xorg.conf
20:33<Dasmoover>yeah so start it as root.
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20:33<Dasmoover>peter, any idea on my problem?
20:33<peterS>no, I still don't think random tools write to xorg.conf
20:34<peterS>is your (hd1,2) meaningful? that would be second hard drive, third partition.
20:34<peterS>since both are numbered from 0
20:35<Dasmoover>pretty sure its on there, it always gave me that error
20:35<Dasmoover>but if i let it sit, it would take me to a terminal
20:35<Dasmoover>so it must be on there
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20:37<xid>Dasmoover,[02:29:49] Dasmoover> says root (hd1,2) error 22: no such partition, i cant even get into a terminal
20:37<Dasmoover>yes, now it wont do anything
20:38<Dasmoover>before, when i got into a terminal it tried to load my x server but it crashed, so i fixed my xorg.conf
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20:54<srdan>Hi, im having trouble setting up samba to work with windows vista
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20:56<srdan>im using a configuration that worked with windows xp, but now that I've upgraded to vista it breaks. Are there any known bugs with a samba/Vista combination that anyone knows of?
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20:56<Dasmoover>whats the error?
20:57<srdan>Vista does not 'see' the share or the computer at all, even though they are in the same workgroup
20:58<Dasmoover>UAC off?
21:01<srdan>Oh, User Account Control is turned on.
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21:04<srdan>any ideas?? im just trying to set up simple file sharing. A link to a tutorial would be helpful as well
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21:05<marcot>I'm trying to configure my sound in lenny, but it's with a noise when I play something.
21:05<marcot>In etch it was ok, and also in Ubuntu Hardy Heron.
21:05<marcot>I've tried installing the hardy heron alsa-modules, but the problem persists.
21:06<Dasmoover>srdan: google vista UAC
21:07<Dasmoover>try disabling that and turning off firewall and see if it can see it
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21:08<toasterboy>is there an encryption package for debian that offers whole disk encryption? gpg doesn't seem to do so.
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21:10<marcot>I've installed Ubuntu alsa-base and linux-sound-base, and the noise persists.
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21:12<Dasmoover>marcot: maybe it is your sound card?
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21:12<marcot>Dasmoover: in Ubuntu and Etch it worked.
21:13<toasterboy>are the alsa modules located in the universal repositories?
21:13<marcot>toasterboy: there is alsa-source.
21:14<abrotman>why would you install ubuntu packages on debian ?
21:14<toasterboy>who? me?
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21:15<toasterboy>marcot: do you mean i should install alsa-source or i should compile from source?
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21:15<marcot>toasterboy: there's a package called alsa-source, that you can compile with module-assistant.
21:16<marcot>abrotman: cause my sound card works on Ubuntu and not in debian.
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21:16<abrotman>mixing packages isn't likely to help
21:16<abrotman>synscan: stop that
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21:17<marcot>abrotman: The point was just trying to find the problem.
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21:22<toasterboy>ok. before i do that aptitude says i already have alsa-base installed.
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21:22<marcot>toasterboy: this is not related to alsa-base.
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21:23<Dasmoover>ok im getting an x server error. Failed to load module nvidia, module does not exist, no drivers available, fatal server error, no screens found
21:24<Dasmoover>i have nvidia 8400
21:25<toasterboy>marcot: then "m-a auto-install alsa-source" ?
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21:26<marcot>toasterboy: but why do you want to do this?
21:27<toasterboy>marcot: i was just asking. i'm trying to get alsa running on my system. i currently have no sound.
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21:28<marcot>toasterboy: I'm just asking too. I don't know if this will change anything, but you can try.
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21:29<toasterboy>what do you suggest? i don't want to mess anything up. this is a clean install of debian. i haven't changed anything. where should i go from here?
21:29<toasterboy>c'mon answer-man
21:29<toasterboy>don't hold out on me
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21:55<thepretender84>i have tried turning off tap to click on the mouse, but I have had no luck...can someone help me w/ it?
21:55<thepretender84>touchpad I mean
21:57<abrotman>kde has no mouse settings ?
21:58<thepretender84>nothing that I have seen to turn off tap-click
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22:04<dondelelcaro>thepretender84: depends on the touchpad; synclient will enable you to turn it off for all synaptic mice
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22:11<thepretender84>tried synclient
22:11<thepretender84>alps touchpadd
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22:17<Chalmo> hi, anyone able to link me to a decent tutorial/guide with indepth explanation to set up a firewall under debian? i'm running two nics in the box, can't seem to find anything that explains it well enough and/or works :/
22:17<dpkg>hmm... iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at or it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables ( for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read
22:18<Chalmo>so iptables currently has vulnerabilities?
22:18<abrotman>huh ?
22:18<Chalmo>either way, thanks for that
22:18<Chalmo>"(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes)"
22:19<abrotman>Chalmo: no .. in 2.4 .. i doubt you're using a 2.4 kernel
22:19<abrotman>i think that's what it's implying
22:19<Chalmo>i imagine you'd be correct :)
22:19<Chalmo>i'll have a read, thanks
22:20<abrotman> has a lot of docs
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22:37<Dasmoover>is there a nvidia-driver for debian?
22:37<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
22:38<Dasmoover>lenny is the latest release on the download page, right?
22:38<abrotman>etch is the latest release
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22:45<Dasmoover>apt-get cannot find nvidia-kernel-common
22:45<Dasmoover>anyway to update my source lisy
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22:46<abrotman>lenny doesn't have nvidia drivers currently IIRC
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22:47<Dasmoover>im on etch, pretty sure,
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22:50<abrotman>Dasmoover: do oyu have non-free and contrib sources?
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22:53<toasterboy>looks like i have a smtp daemon running on port 25
22:54<toasterboy>what is this?
22:54<toasterboy>220 localhost ESMTP Exim 4.63 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:53:30 -0700
22:54<toasterboy>and how do i get rid of it?
22:54<dondelelcaro>toasterboy: if you're not going to receive mail at that machine, install nullmailer or similar, and remove exim.
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22:55<toasterboy>i don't even need nullmailer
22:56<toasterboy>what about rcpbind?
22:56<dondelelcaro>uh... you need a way to get mail off of that machine
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22:56<toasterboy>what do i need to uninstall to get rid of that?
22:57<toasterboy>and auth and ipp
22:57<dondelelcaro>surely you mean rpc, not rcp?
22:57<toasterboy>5 points. you are right
22:57<toasterboy>read that wrong
22:57<dondelelcaro>toasterboy: netstat -plunt; and dpkg -S; will tell you what installed them.
22:58<dondelelcaro>toasterboy: though almost all of those should be listening on localhost only.
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22:58<toasterboy>all i'm running is tor
22:59<toasterboy>maybe that's what installed them
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23:00<toasterboy>ok. so all that's left is audio. i want alsa right?
23:00<dondelelcaro>look at the netstat -plunt; output. That'll tell you what is listening on what port. You can then use dpkg -S; to see what package has it.
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23:00<toasterboy>yeah. it was tor
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23:13<toasterboy>before i get started is there a simple way to get sound running on my machine? just a one-liner?
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23:14<Hideo>can I make apt-get only install/upgrade a particular package from one particular mirror, instead of the one of its own choosing?
23:14<peterS>toasterboy: in recent years sound seems to be set up automatically. if you need your user to be able to access the sound card, do 'adduser {username} audio' as root, then log in again
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23:15<peterS>Hideo: you can specify "package/version" but you cannot easily specify a particular mirror
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23:15<peterS>Hideo: (you can figure out which versions are on which sites with 'apt-cache policy {packagename}')
23:15<Hideo>peterS: there's no method equivalent to pinning?
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23:15<peterS>not that I'm aware of
23:15<Hideo>ok, thank you
23:16<gsimmons>toasterboy: You'll at least need 'alsa-base' and 'alsa-utils' installed. /msg dpkg alsa one-liner
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23:22<Hideo>peterS: I know I can do apt-get -t testing, this is just an example, I have both unstable and testing in sources.list, I want to install vlc-nox from testing, when I do "apt-get install vlc-nox/0.8.6.c-6" it says "E: Release '0.8.6.c-6' for 'vlc-nox' was not found", while I can see clearly that that version is present with apt-cache.
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23:23<Hideo>what did I miss?
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23:25<peterS>Hideo: I honestly don't know, 0.8.6.c-6 should be available.
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23:28<peterS>Hideo: but try also 0.8.6.c-6+lenny5
23:28<Hideo>peterS: same error
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23:28<peterS>hmmm, well, I thought that worked
23:29<Hideo>I also just tried with mplayer, since I have also the line for in sources.list, it also did not work
23:29<Hideo>I thought so
23:30<toasterboy>alsa seems to be installed ok... but i cant hear anything
23:31<Hideo>peterS: just read the man page, s/\//=/
23:31<peterS>ah, ok
23:31<Hideo>that might have change since I last saw it haha
23:31<peterS>toasterboy: common problem is that alsa comes up muted by default, you have to run a mixer application and un-mute the master output
23:32<toasterboy>already running alsa-config
23:32<peterS>well try alsamixer
23:32<toasterboy>i think the driver is stopped atm
23:33<toasterboy>i'll have to wait till i'm done with alsa-config
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