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---Logopened Thu Jun 19 00:00:04 2008
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00:00<toasterboy>still no sound. ran alsamixer and cranked all the settings up to max. cant hear anything
00:01<gsimmons>toasterboy: What sound device do you have?
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00:13<gsimmons>toasterboy: You'll need to be more specific. Install the 'pciutils' package and provide output of the "lspci -nn | grep -i audio" command. Use a paste site if it's over three lines.
00:13<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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00:13<toasterboy>00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller [1039:7012] (rev a0)
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00:25<edenroz>someone know python?
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00:25<snowflake>so so
00:25<edenroz>snorre, hail,tnks for answer :D
00:26<edenroz>snowflake, lol was for u
00:26<edenroz>snowflake, so my problem is
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00:26<edenroz>snowflake, i use python for add evenet on google calendar
00:26<edenroz>snowflake, add event work fine
00:26<Dasmoover>can anyone help me with nvidia drivers, im following a tutorial to get nvidia-kernel-common and the place where its hosted is unresolvable.
00:26<edenroz>snowflake, but when i try to set reminders my script go in crach
00:27<snowflake>and the script is?
00:28<edenroz>snowflake, here the api
00:28<Dasmoover> !nvidia
00:28<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
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00:28<edenroz>snorre, i know is very rude but i learned python 4 hours ago :D
00:29<edenroz>snorre, what u think?
00:29<snowflake>any crash report?
00:29<gsimmons>Dasmoover: Did you add contrib and non-free sources to your sources.list? (abrotman asked you this previously)
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00:30<edenroz>snowflake, give me asec
00:30<Dasmoover>yes i have, then i update and it says a few are unconnectable and i still cant get it
00:31<edenroz>snowflake, programm add script but dont add reminder
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00:32<Dasmoover>E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
00:32<snowflake>give me a sec
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00:33<gsimmons>!tell Dasmoover -about bat
00:33<edenroz>snowflake, ok,tnks a lot for help :D i smoke a cigarette while u think :D
00:34<Dasmoover>its not a problem with apt-get its the server.
00:34<Dasmoover>i cant get the nvidia-kernal-common
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00:35<toasterboy>Dasmoover: why not
00:36<Dasmoover>E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
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00:36<Dasmoover>i just want to get my x server running :/
00:37<gsimmons>Dasmoover: You did run "apt-get update" (or aptitude update) after amending your sources.list file?
00:37<toasterboy>there is a download for linux.
00:37<toasterboy>use it
00:38<Dasmoover>gsimmons, yes i have, and toasterboy, heh ill have fun in shell with that
00:38<toasterboy>why. just chmod the file and run it
00:38<toasterboy>it's like 2 commands
00:38<Supaplex>uhm, don't we generally advise to avoid that .run file that likes to break upgrades?
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00:38<toasterboy>oh really.
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00:39<toasterboy>nm then
00:39<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
00:39<gsimmons>Dasmoover: Well, provide the complete error output you receive (including the commands you issued) at a paste site. A partial error message is useless.
00:39<Supaplex>start there. /msg the bot for other factoids, and ask if you still get lost etc.
00:39<toasterboy>ok. help me get my sound working then
00:39<Dasmoover>ok one send
00:40<Supaplex>!tell toasterboy -about alsa
00:41*Supaplex ponders swapping hardware in these boxes .. hummm
00:41<toasterboy>Supaplex: i have it installed. i ran the config utility. i cranked up all the volume bars in alsamixer but i still cant hear anything.
00:41<edenroz>toasterboy, wash ure ears :D joke
00:42<Supaplex>toasterboy: show us lspci -nn at
00:42<Supaplex>toasterboy: and uname -a and lsmod too
00:43<amphi>toasterboy: did you unmute the channels? ;)
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00:43<gsimmons>Dasmoover: There's your problem. Replace "<country_code>" with an _actual_ country code (eg. uk, us, au, ie, etc).
00:43<Dasmoover> facepalm
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00:44<Dasmoover>in source list right
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00:45<gsimmons>Dasmoover: Yes, within /etc/apt/sources.list.
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00:45<edenroz>someone know python?not hard question :D
00:46<toasterboy>the channels are unmuted
00:46<toasterboy>they should be
00:46<toasterboy>they have 00 at the bottom of the color-bar and the bar is turned up to 100
00:46<Supaplex>edenroz: snake snake snake snake! mushrooooooommmm!
00:47<Supaplex>!tell edenroz -about ask
00:47<toasterboy>there ya go
00:47<toasterboy>it's all there
00:47<edenroz> i use python for add evenet on google calendar
00:47<edenroz> add event work fine
00:47<edenroz>but when i try to set reminders my script go in crach
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00:48<edenroz>my script at
00:48<Dasmoover>Reading package lists... Error!
00:48<Dasmoover>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
00:48<Dasmoover>E: Error occurred while processing wml (NewVersion1)
00:48<Dasmoover>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/
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00:48<Supaplex>toasterboy: okay. line 58 looks hopeful. humm. 1m
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00:49<Supaplex>Dasmoover: use for more than a line or two. k? :)
00:49<gsimmons>Dasmoover: I've also noticed you're referencing both stable and lenny sources. Don't do that.
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00:52<Supaplex>toasterboy: my setup on my old box worked last I checked (nothing pluged into audio atm)
00:53<Dasmoover>gsimmons: what do you suggest i do
00:53<Supaplex>and it's similar too - 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:24c5] (rev 02)
00:53<gsimmons>Dasmoover: Don't reference lenny/testing sources.
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00:55<Supaplex>humm... obnoxious. I need 4 sata ports in my server box.
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00:55<edenroz> i use python for add evenet on google calendar
00:56<edenroz>but when i try to set reminders my script go in crach
00:56<edenroz>my script at
00:56<edenroz>plz help me :D
00:56<Dasmoover>gsimmons: but thats where the nvidia kernal module is
00:56<Supaplex>edenroz: maybe #python here, or on freenode is more suited for that.
00:56<gsimmons>toasterboy: From what I can determine, later ALSA revisions contained several bug fixes relating to your audio controller. You can try installing ALSA 1.0.13 via module-assistant, or a more recent kernel image (eg. from to provide ALSA 1.0.15.
00:57<toasterboy>apt-get install alsa
00:57<edenroz>Supaplex, am on fastweb,an italian ISP dont provide public isp and on frenode my ip is blocke so i cant log in
00:57<toasterboy>meh. i'm tired
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00:58<Supaplex>edenroz: do they block irc ports, or are there other irc servers you can reach on that network?
00:59<edenroz>Supaplex, the second.irc server has blocked my ipand all italian's fastweb users
01:00<Dasmoover>meh ill do this another time...
01:00<dpkg>from memory, mbr is the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda", or ask me about <fixmbr>
01:00<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>.
01:00<Supaplex>!tell Dasmoover -about bobbitt
01:00<Supaplex>Dasmoover: just msg the bot =)
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01:01<edenroz>Supaplex, do u know another server/channel where can i ask?
01:01<Supaplex>no biggie. just fyi (it kinda floods the channel with >1 factoids frequently)
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01:01<Dasmoover>one last question, windows is an option on my grub bootloader but it hangs when i try to select it
01:02<Supaplex>edenroz: has a list of freenode servers
01:02<edenroz>Supaplex, tnks
01:02<gsimmons>toasterboy: Ah, you're running testing? You have ALSA 1.0.16 already. Try muting the headphone jack.
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01:03<edenroz>Supaplex, mmm 4 server say i need to identify for join #python
01:03<Supaplex>edenroz: /msg nickserv help
01:04<edenroz>Supaplex, i have toi register my nick?
01:04<Supaplex>not if you already did. just identify then
01:06<edenroz>Supaplex, :( i need only a little help for python
01:06<Supaplex>you make it sound like I can do it eaiser than you. it's not hard to register a nick
01:07<toasterboy>gsimmons: i'm using the headphones jack
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01:08<edenroz>Supaplex, mmmm ok tnks
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01:11<edenroz>am reallt desperate,30 min for write the script....2 hours for find someone for talk about it
01:12<Supaplex>I'm a python noob. I've hacked a few scripts together, but that was 5-6 years ago. I do perl now.
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01:15<Supaplex>if I were stuck that bad, I'd pony up a few bucks and get a shell/bnc/slip account
01:15<Supaplex>or a free one, if they still exist :P
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01:16<edenroz>Supaplex, :kiss :kiss i find someone on freenode
01:17<edenroz>Supaplex, tnks for help
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01:19<toasterboy>was that a chick?
01:20<Supaplex>ouch. my dvd drive just sliced my finger open
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01:21<Supaplex>ouu, I know. apt-get install --reinstall right-pinky-finger
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01:30<edenroz>hello all,i use python for add evenet on google calendar;add event work fine but when i try to set reminders my script go in crash. my script is at .... plz help me :)
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01:49<Kerz>whats the command to reset or clear the terminal
01:49<Kerz>its wasting %6 of me ram O_o
01:49<jm_>surprisingly enough it's "reset"
01:49<jm_>how much do you have? 32MB?
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01:49<Kerz>lol 256
01:51<jm_>how did you look for the number?
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01:52<Kerz>what number?
01:52<jm_>6% of course
01:53<Kerz>nothin just math
01:54<Kerz>when i close the console its on 63 and when i open it its on 70 nothin special as u can see...
01:54<jm_>what do numbers 60 and 73 represent?
01:54<jm_>err 63 and 70
01:54<Kerz>meh reset doesnt lower the ram used
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01:55<Kerz>past and current?
01:55<jm_>it wouldn't - you'd need to clear its scrollback buffer
01:55<jm_>yes, but past and current what?
01:55<Kerz>its normally on 63 and when i open terminal its on 70
01:56<jm_>what do thee values represent? where do you see them?
01:56<Kerz>sry for my english
01:56<Kerz>ram lol
01:56<Kerz>system monitor
01:57<jm_>ahh ignore that, you don't have lots of RAM so it shows up more, but not all of that is actually used
01:57<jm_>you can use lighter terminals if it bothers you
01:58<Kerz>nah its ok i suppose
02:00<peterS>lighter terminals are all very well but I like the dark ones better
02:00<jm_>same here, I tried to get used to black on white, but I couldn't
02:01<jm_>the only reason being fonts rendered much nicely with black on white
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02:11<Kerz>im using gnome terminal... one can change that
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02:14<amolv>how to check tasksel for the modifications I made
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02:16<jm_>amolv: what modifications have you made?
02:16<amolv>jm_, I have added tasks for xen-server,ldap-server
02:16<jm_>amolv: how?
02:17<amolv>jm_, I followed the same syntax as in other tasks
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02:17<jm_>amolv: be more technical about it, go into the details
02:17<amolv>jm_, ya
02:17<amolv>jm_, check #niru
02:18<jm_>amolv: I can't now
02:18<amolv>jm_, join #niru and see the file I pasted there for xen installation
02:18<amolv>jm_, shall i paste in pastebin?
02:18<jm_>amolv: you can yes
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02:21<amolv> jm_
02:22<jm_>amolv: ok and?
02:22<amolv>jm_, u need ldap too
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02:23<jm_>amolv: not really
02:24<amolv>jm_, so what is my doubt is even though i added these two tasks in tasks folder
02:24<amolv>and compiled it
02:24<amolv>and dont see any change in my tasksel from the previous one
02:25<amolv>I gave tasksel --list-tasks too
02:25<amolv>and removed tasksel and reinstalled it again bu no use
02:26<amolv>from where actually the tasks are fetched after tasksel installation
02:26<amolv>jm_, tasksel --list-tasks
02:26<amolv>u web-server Web server
02:26<amolv>u print-server Print server
02:26<amolv>u dns-server DNS server
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02:26<amolv>u database-server SQL database
02:26<amolv>u laptop Laptop
02:26<amolv>u manual manual package selection
02:27<jm_>amolv: please stop pasting
02:27<jm_>amolv: where did you add that text to?
02:28<amolv>jm_, I added them in tasksel-2.73/tasks/
02:28<jm_>amolv: tasksel-data package contains task descriptions
02:28<jm_>it ends up in /usr/share/tasksel/debian-tasks.desc
02:31<amolv>jm_, I have pasted my .desc file for xen-server
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02:32<jm_>amolv: did you also update package descriptions so they belong to this task?
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02:32<jm_>or rather packages' control files
02:32<amolv>jm_, where and how I need to do that
02:32<amolv>jm_, no I did not update any
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02:34<amolv>jm_, ?
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02:35<jm_>amolv: Task: field
02:36<amolv>jm_, location?
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02:40<amolv>jm_, I got it
02:40<amolv>jm_, I removed the key package and it worked
02:46<amolv>jm_, how can we increase the number of tasks that get displayed
02:46<amolv>jm_, at present I see only 10 tasks
02:46<amolv>jm_, can i increase the limit
02:46<amolv>jm_, ?
02:48<amolv>jm_, r u busy
02:48<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
02:49<jm_>amolv: where do you see only 10 tasks?
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02:50<amolv>jm_, if i give tasksel --list-tasks command and tasksel command
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02:52<jm_>amolv: let me check it
02:53<amolv>jm_, ok
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02:55<helpme>i'm using lenny
02:56<jm_>amolv: it doesn't print tasks that have Enhances set
02:56<amolv>jm_, what do you mean by Enhances set?
02:56<helpme>when i try to shutdown the computer as an user, i only can ise the icon to close the sesion
02:56<helpme>i wanna shutdown the computer as an user
02:57<helpme>can you help me?
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02:57<jm_>amolv: read about it in the README file
03:00<jm_>amolv: additionally, some tasks make use of "tests" to determine if they are displayed or not
03:01<amolv>jm_, ok
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03:22<Staale>I have created a 3 disk raid-5 array, how should I format it with mkfs.ext3? Some guides mention --stride, but I am not sure where to check what to put in.
03:22<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>How would I change X11's mouse sensitivity in lenny?
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03:23<Staale>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: ^^
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03:31<|Ryan52>Staale: explains it.
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03:58<Staale>|Ryan52, thanks
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04:00<Staale>Can I change stride size after formatting? I currently have 2 disk + parity, but I plan on adding 1-2 more disks
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04:15<spi>Anyone know how to get rid of this annoying error: reformatted a partition in vfat originally mounted on windows by a ext2 partition, and mounted another vfat partition to replace old /windows, yet at boot I get this error about the wrong filesystem for the changed partition. Gparted and Disks-manager both recognize it as vfat and that it is to be mounted on windows. When I try reformatting into ext2 things seem to work until i click ok
04:16<Staale>Have you checked the partition type?
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04:16<spi>I've reformatted it into ext2
04:16<Staale>with fdisk. fdisk /dev/device - p
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04:17<Staale>the disk you are formatted, is it set as a linux or windows partition?
04:17<spi>Staale: yet every software in my system says it's vfat, and the booter says that's wrong
04:17<spi>the partition i've formatted was orinally /windows, a vfat partition
04:17<Staale>spi, I am not sure whats wrong, that was just something I thought of. Not the format on the disk, but the type of the partition in the partition table on the disk
04:17<spi>Staale: how can i check that?
04:18<Staale>spi, run fdisk on the disk, and print the partition table
04:18<spi>Stalle: no unmounting necessary?
04:18<Staale>sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
04:18<Staale>not to just check data
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04:19<Staale>you can change the partition type as well, not sure if I recommend doing that while the disk is mounted. Nor will I vouch for data not beeing lost.
04:19<jm_>you can do that without any problems
04:19<jm_>also check your fstab
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04:20<spi>Stalle: as in /etc/fstab?
04:20<Staale>spi, yeah
04:21<spi>Staale: fdisk recognizes partitions as being of type Linux, and not vfat. Yet didks manager recongnizes vfat, and mount point /windows for the linux partition.
04:22<Staale>spi, check what /etc/fstab says about your disks and whats mounted where
04:22<spi>Staale: aha! checking in /etc/fstab gives me vfat as the partition type! The error must be here!
04:22<Staale>just edit it, it's a config file
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04:22<spi>Staale: ok, using the fdisk output..
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04:23<Staale>No, change it from vfat to ext2 or ext3, depending on what you used
04:24<spi>Staale: right. I recently reformatted it to ext3, so i'll change it to that
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04:27<spi>Staale: by the way, would you know anything about the Demudi distribution: it's gone from the internet...
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04:29<spi>Staale: never mind, going to look on #debian-multimedia; thanks for your help ;)
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04:54<pbn>Hi, in order to do "svn checkout", on the commande line, what package should I install ?
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04:54<jm_>the one that has svn command
04:54<jm_>!tell pbn -about search
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04:59<pbn>yes I did aptitude search svn but there are "many" packages to me :)
05:00<pbn>and none of them is called svn
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05:01<eSa|>pbn: use apt-cache search piped with grep
05:01<pbn>ah got it :)
05:01<pbn>thank youguys :)
05:02<eSa|>or refine the tree of packets in aptitude's view by limiting the tree with 'L' and '/'
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05:02<jm_>or actually read what dpkg told you and use apt-file
05:03<eSa|>that's more proper
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05:05<ravi>hi, I want to permanently add's name servers to resolv.conf... how?
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05:19<ravi>I got it, Ubuntu's site had it.
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05:35<g00LiPoP>Hi! I have ubuntu, but when I try to go to the sound-volume settings it says that I have to install Gstreamer codecs, but now I did that and restarted the computer the sound still doesnt work. What should I do?
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05:35<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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05:57<gfucka>c ste ke jun ka m pot aiutè
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05:58<sheldonh>can someone gimme the wodim one-liner? can't get it out of dpkg
05:59<sheldonh>(for burning a debian install iso, that is)
05:59<gfucka>can you hel me?
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05:59<jm_>sheldonh: yes
06:00<sheldonh>jm_ :-P
06:00<dpkg>well, burniso is wodim -dev /dev/cdrom -v -v -data foo.iso
06:00<jm_>sheldonh: wodim speed=bla dev=/dev/foo -data file.iso
06:02<jm_>it's also in examples ;)
06:03<gfucka>i have a debian distro
06:04<sheldonh>jm_: i made the mistake of searching the manual page for iso
06:04<jm_>sheldonh: yeah I hate that .raw thing
06:04<gfucka>i want install compiz o beryl with a integrated video card SIs
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06:04<gfucka>it is possible?
06:05<papat>how can I get my HDD don't be CONTINUOUSLY scratching? Believe me, it doesn't stop a second...
06:05<gfucka>there is someone who can help me?
06:05<jm_>papat: what?
06:05<gfucka>can you help me?
06:06<Chalmo>flea powder
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06:06<gfucka>i need help
06:06<gfucka>i need help
06:07<gfucka>i need help
06:07<gfucka>i need help
06:07<gfucka>i need help
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06:07<Gekz>good luck with that.
06:07<simonrvn>!tell gfucka -about ask
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06:07<simonrvn>yup, sure needs help...
06:07<Gekz>!nickometer gfucka
06:07<dpkg>'gfucka' is 62.000% lame, gekz
06:07<themill>Way to go FloodServ.
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06:08*simonrvn thinks he should adopt floodserv as a pet
06:09<Gekz>sex slave.
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06:12<papat>jm_, the HDD doesn't stop scratching, and I wonder what it's doing. THis behavior isn't normal. ANd the partitions are mounted as "defaults". What can it be?
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06:12<jm_>papat: with scratching you mean disk activity?
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06:13<papat>the filesystems I'm using are ext3 ans xfs for /home
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06:13<jm_>mount your fs-s with noatime or with relatime and increase commit interval
06:15<papat>what's the latter: increase commit interval ?
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06:15<jm_>man mount, read section for ext3
06:16<jm_>default is 5s
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06:24<kise>hi, anyone here that would like to help me with some easy variable questions?
06:24<jm_>!tell kise -about ask
06:26<kise>i would like to know how to set a variable for all users on my system, that stays there even after reboot?
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06:26<kise>thank you =)
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06:54<exim1>hey all, i was upgrading some packages, including perl - and during this I received the error: "/usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Locale/gettext/ undefined symbol: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr" - this is preventing me installing new packages. any ideas on how to fix it?
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06:58<padski>exim1, this is sid ?
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06:58<exim1>padski: ah - lenny
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06:59<padski>exim1, ouch
06:59<exim1>=[ darn.
07:02<padski>exim1, I am on an etch desktop just now. when I try removing liblocale-gettext-perl I get offered "314 to remove" it looks like I would still have a working, but very basic, system :-)
07:03<padski>exim1, and I couldn't guarantee that'd solve your problem.
07:03<padski>exim1, have you looked for a reported bug ?
07:04<exim1>this doesnt seem common
07:05<exim1>oh wow
07:05<exim1>dpkg -i liblocale-gettext-perl_1.05-4_i386.deb
07:05*dpkg removes a liver from exim1 and replaces it with liblocale-gettext-perl_1.05-4_i386.deb
07:05<exim1>problem solved
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07:06<exim1>thanks padski ;)
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07:07<padski>exim1, enjoy perl 5.10
07:07<exim1>heh, well i'm a C guy really - it's been on my mind for a while though
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07:08<ircMonkey>Hi, I am looking for rotating my screen. I've found xrandr, but it seems rotation could be unsupported. How could I fix that?
07:08<padski>ircMonkey, pretty sure xrandr does rotation.
07:10<ircMonkey>padski: yes but I've got the following error message: xrandr -o left -> X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
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07:11<padski>ircMonkey, works here on etch. as much fun as I can expect to have all day :-)
07:12<padski>ircMonkey, perhaps is depends on chipset support, dunno.
07:12<jm_>ircMonkey: not all drivers support this AFAIK
07:12<jm_>padski: does xrandr -q print possible rotations for you?
07:14<mrnice`>hi, is powerpc only available as sarge?
07:15<ircMonkey>jm_: xrandr -q (or without -q) gives me information, rotate is not mentionned
07:15<gsimmons>mrnice`: No.
07:15<ircMonkey>jm_: I think I have nvidia non-free driver
07:17<jm_>ircMonkey: yeah same here, that;s why I asked him what he sees since it works for him
07:17<padski>jm_, yes "Rotations possible - normal left inverted right"
07:18<jm_>padski: right I see why
07:18<jm_>ircMonkey: you need to explicitely enable it, RTFM!
07:18<jm_>ircMonkey: Option "RandRRotation" ...
07:18<jm_>padski: thanks
07:19<ircMonkey>jm_: where
07:19<jm_>ircMonkey: config file obviously
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07:20<padski># grep -c Rot /etc/X11/xorg.conf
07:20<mrnice`>gsimmons, maybe i messed up with source.list, W: Couldn't get 404 Not Found
07:20<jm_>yeah but you're not using nvidia driver
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07:21<ircMonkey>jm_: and using nv instead?
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07:22<jlbelmonte>Ooops sorry
07:22<gsimmons>mrnice`: Hrm, there's a few missing ports directories at the moment (compare your URL with '', for example). Use a mirror closer to your current location.
07:23<jm_>ircMonkey: who said that?
07:23<mrnice`>gsimmons, just stumbled upon it thx
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07:25<ircMonkey>jm_: sory
07:25<flip>hey all --- can anyone help me w/ an X issue im having? i had X running just fine -- i dist-upgraded lenny and all of a sudden im stuck in a lower resolution; the Modes line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesnt seem to change it
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07:26<flip>and xrandr -s 1600x1200x24 or xrandr -s 1600x1200@75 doesnt seem to change it either (it says the modes are unsupported (i read about this command on a forum while googling the issue))
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07:26<jm_>flip: restore xorg.conf from backup
07:27<flip>jm_: i dont have it --- and i have another machine w/ a fresh install doing the same thing :F
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07:29<jm_>flip: yeah new fancy auto-configuring stuff
07:29<flip>jm_: im stuck in 1280x1024 :F
07:29<flip>jm_: how do i get to 1600x1200
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07:29<jm_>flip: create config file to restore old behavior
07:30<jm_>flip: but start by checking X logfile/xrandr -q output to see supported modes
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07:30<flip>jm_: ahh i did that already to the best of my ability from heart
07:30<flip>jm_: not sure what im missing
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07:30<flip>jm_: mind looking at it if i put it on pastebin?
07:30<jm_>flip: go ahead
07:31<flip>Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 768, maximum 1920 x 1200
07:31<flip>so i know 16x12 is supported
07:31*flip paste
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07:33<jm_>flip: and the logfile?
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07:33<flip>jm_: sure hang no
07:34<flip>thats the X og
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07:35<flip> and heres the xrandr output
07:35<flip>jm_: get all that?
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07:41<ircMonkey>jm_: I have added Option "RandRRotation" "on" in section "Device"; and restarted the xserver; and xrandr still doesn't say i can rotate
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07:44<jm_>ircMonkey: I'll try it at home, can't be arsed doing it at work - there are some limitations listed in the config file
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07:45<flip>well that didnt work :F
07:47<ircMonkey>jm_: ok, let's do it later :)
07:47<jm_>flip: I can't make much sense of this, but radeon driver has several DDC options that are worth trying
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07:47<ircMonkey>I'm looking for the "x config option " of the nv driver; know where I can find it
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07:47<jm_>ircMonkey: what do you mean with x config option?
07:48<flip>jm_: hmm im using the 'ati' driver; should i try using 'radeon' as the driver?
07:48<jm_>flip: well that's the same thing
07:49<ircMonkey>jm_: I found this page about nvidia driver; it seems to say some driver support some option though other doesn't:
07:49<flip>oh ok
07:50<flip>jm_: im afraid i dont know enough about the xorg.conf file to add those options
07:51<flip>i wish there was someway to adjust this 'automatic' config system that totally broke X on me :F
07:51<jm_>flip: man radeon
07:51<flip>xrandr -s 1600x1200 should work... no?
07:51<jm_>flip: not in your case no
07:52<jm_>flip: but you can perhaps try --addmode
07:53<flip>ill try
07:53<flip>i added some options to xorg.conf
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07:54<jm_>ircMonkey: hmm which version of the driver are you using?
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07:56<flip>jm_: none of that changed anything :F
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07:57<flip>xrandr still behaves the same ---- --addmode says the mode doesnt exsist.. --newmode isnt a command anymore?
07:57<flip>it seems the documentation online for xrandr must relate to an older version w/ commands now depreciated
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07:58<ircMonkey>jm_: about the information I was asking, man nv gives them. Thus the option to add was not Option "RandRRotation" "on" but Option "Rotate" "RandR"; now it works
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07:59<flip>i have xorg.conf ignoring EDID and i have all the sync ranges correct
07:59<flip>still nothing
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07:59<ircMonkey>jm_: (I tryed on an other computer thus the version is different; I didn't wanted to waste the one I'm working on now)
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08:05<Graveworm>Hi all! I have a problem with my network and debian etch. How can I make my machine accessable from two different subnets? I have only one networkcard. Our network administrators say that it is basically possible two access computers in this different networks.
08:06<petemc>add an aliased interface like eth0:1 for the other subnet
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08:08<Graveworm>Where should I add such an entry? In "/etc/network/interfaces"?
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08:24<Graveworm>petemc: Ok, thanks so far. It looks like it is working. But if I ping a machine in the other subnet, it's not that machine that is answering but the address I set up for the alias?
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08:24<Graveworm>The message ist "Destination Host Unreachable"
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08:26<jm_>Graveworm: do you have subnet route for it?
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08:29<Graveworm>You mean the kernel routing table? I set the gateway of the other network there additional to the gateway of the network my machine is physically in.
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08:36<jm_>Graveworm: paste netstat -nr output on some paste site
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08:46<lulala>Hello Everyone
08:46<lulala>Even if this is a debian irc channel ... Is someone here aware of remastering damnsmalllinux?
08:47<Ganneff>as you know - you are wrong here.
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08:48<lulala>Hi Ganneff, so you guess I won't have luck eher?
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08:48<Ganneff>lulala: correct.
08:50<lulala>Ganneff: Do you have an idea which channel would be the right one for me (dsl irc is dead)
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08:52<mhash>lucca, there is a #damnsmalllinux on freenode with about 10-15 people -- you may have better luck there
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08:58<Graveworm>jm_: Sorry, I was away for some minutes... Here you can find the netstat output ->
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08:59<lulala>Hi mhash, I was already there
08:59<lulala>No one wants to talk to me ;)
09:00<jm_>Graveworm: and you're trying to ping which ip?
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09:04<jm_>Graveworm: that looks fine to me
09:04<Graveworm>Hmm... But it still doesn't work ;(....
09:04<jm_>are you sure you can reach it just like that?
09:05<jm_>it looks like it's not directly reachable if you get such a reply
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09:07<Graveworm>jm_: No, I get no answer from that machine. It's the IP-Adress I set for the alias that ist "answering"... But I just tested to ping the remote machine from a windows PC which is in the same net as my machine. There I get a reply....
09:08<Graveworm>Is there a way to show the routing table from windows? Just something like "netstat" or "route" or so?
09:08<Graveworm>oh, ok... netstat works...
09:08<jm_>Graveworm: wait you're pinging local IP?
09:08<Staale>I have set up a raid array on /dev/sde,f,g - should I have used /dev/sde1,f1,g1 instead? (ie. make partitions first)? - or is this not a problem.
09:10<Graveworm>jm_: No. I try to ping a machine in the other network. But I set up an alias for that network for my nw-card.
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09:16<jm_>Graveworm: run traceroute on windows, compare to your box
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09:32<wfer1>Hi! Is it possible to download packages from the NEW queue?
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09:39<renginez02>anyone here know how to get a driver which is for mandrake to work on debian? need help.//
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09:40<Graveworm> renginez02 : For what kind of device?
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09:42<renginez02>Graveworm: PCMCIA wifi card driver....btw im running on PPC machine.
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09:43<gsimmons>renginez02: If you're referring to the Teletronics-provided drivers for the XI-300 PCMCIA card, they are quite old (for early 2.4 kernels).
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09:45<Graveworm>renginez02: Hmm...sry, but I don't know much about Wifi-cards... I assume you have checked, that there is no debian driver for your card?
09:46<renginez02>Graveworm: yeah...thats y i installed mandrake now...half way on it, just seeing if theres any chance for it.
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09:47<renginez02>gsimmons: hey man, forgotten to thank u for all the things u done man, btw i'd done all the procedures u gave me wif the help of Hideo. But it still couldnt detect the wifi when i typed iwconfig..
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09:49<renginez02>it was successfully anyways
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09:52<Wesley>can anyone by any change give me one of the opendns nameservers? or any other usable dns server
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10:01<Reggae__>gsimmons: hey man, forgotten to thank u for all the things u done man, btw i'd done all the procedures u gave me wif the help of Hideo. But it still couldnt detect the wifi when i typed iwconfig..
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10:03<gsimmons>Reggae__: AFAICT, the airport driver is only compatible with Hermes chipset devices, despite support for XI-300's Prism chipset within orinoco_cs. Either pay the money for an Apple Airport card or just use a USB wireless adaptor. These Airport hacks only appear to be compatible with Hermes and Atheros chipsets.
10:03<maslak>anybody knows when will firefox3 (or iceweasel) be available for sid via synaptic?
10:03<nareshov>ya, i wanted to know that too
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10:04<maslak>Gekz_: via synaptic?
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10:06<maslak>hmm.. lol... iv'already been using 3.0rc2, didnt know, thought it was a bit different than firefox cause it was iceweael
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10:18<MotoHoss> <--I asked a question yesterday and here's what I did and a success report &<)
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10:25<Reggae__>gsimmons: i guess ill just grab a usb wireless,,, by any chance do u noe which model is compatible wif ibook? btw thanks alot dude...u r one hell of a savior..
10:28<Reggae__>btw anyone here noe any gudes for me to install MAC OS X 10.3 + MAC OS9 + Debian together in ibook?
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10:31<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to create a mondo rescue image off a system and then restore it on another
10:31<bcochofel>I'm having problems since my restore dest has SATA disk and they are not ercognized
10:32<bcochofel>Can anybody tell me how can I check if I have the right module after boot?
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10:35<gsimmons>Reggae__: Assuming you're using the stock Etch kernel (2.6.18), anything with a ZyDAS zd1211/zd1211b chipset would be fine. Devices with Ralink RT2573/2671 (rt73) chipsets would also be fine, but would require you to compile/install reasonably recent driver sources from the rt2x00 project. You'd want to avoid USB devices with either Broadcom or Atheros chipsets.
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10:36<gsimmons>Reggae__: See regarding multiboot configurations.
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11:22<hever>Hi, I'm on my Notebook. I'm using Xfce and if I change the resolution the monitor goes to stand by. How can I reactivate it on this resolution ?
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11:23<Staale>Anyone have experience with mdadm --grow? The grow is working at 1300 kb/s, and is estimated to take a week to complete :(
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11:25<fatal_>hello... trying to add pptp vpn tunnels in NM.... the tunnels are all grey, I can't click them after adding them... anyone know why?
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11:26<dyfrgi>Staale: Change the values in /proc/sys/dev/raid
11:27<hever>Or can I have on my Notebooks display resolution 1 and on the extern monitor resolution 2 ?
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11:27<Kebianizao|work>I'm talking to a guy with this error:
11:28<Kebianizao|work>which basically is that aptitude can't be upgraded since /usr/share/man/cs belongs to login package
11:28<Kebianizao|work>(an aptitude tries to overwrite it)
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11:28<Kebianizao|work>he's running testing, where cuold be the proble
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11:29<SlayerXP>Kebianizao|work: that happens when the same file is in more than one package, just move it out of the way
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11:29<themill>Kebianizao|work: that's not the current version of aptitude in testing
11:29<themill>Kebianizao|work: oh hang on.. ignore me
11:29<telenieko>Hi. What do I need to use pcks11 devices with Debian (lenny)? I have a USB device and tomorrow a smartcard, and I'd need to use both :)
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11:31<Kebianizao|work>SlayerXP: how do I do that?
11:31<Kebianizao|work>SlayerXP: BTW, dpkg -S /usr/share/man/cs
11:31<Kebianizao|work>SlayerXP: login, passwd, aptitude, wireless-tools, mplayer: /usr/share/man/cs
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11:31<Kebianizao|work>this is on my system^
11:31<SlayerXP>Kebianizao|work: mv
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11:32<themill>SlayerXP: /usr/share/man/cs is a directory not a file; dpkg shouldn't complain
11:32<Kebianizao|work>funnier enough:
11:32<Kebianizao|work>when reinstalling login
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11:34<Staale>dyfrgi, thanks, also found that advice on the net eventually. Goes faster now, but will still take 10 hours
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11:34<dyfrgi>Staale: Unfortunately, it needs to write to every sector to do an expand.
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11:35<dyfrgi>It probably could be done faster, but no one has thought it important enough to actually write the code.
11:35<Kebianizao|work>could it be a problem on login package?
11:36<stevecotton>Playing Blob And Conquer, it keeps crashing on the first timed-escape level. Anyone else playing it, and is it crashing for you? (it could be the Nvidia drivers, haven't tracked down what's going on yet)
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11:49<Vi^3PirePengy>hidey hodey
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11:50<Vi^3PirePengy>i did and update to my lenny install and virtualbox-ose was updated now it appears there is a version mismatch. i have dpkg-reconfigured, apt-get --purge removed and reinstalled along with wiping my ~/.Vir.. directory... any ideas on what else i can do to get vbox working ... when it did an update is a major upstream rev
11:51<Stack>who know how to run wine in fullscreen mode?
11:51<Kebianizao|work>stevecotton: crash how?
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11:57<stevecotton>Kebianizao|work: *** glibc detected *** debian/blobandconquer/usr/games/blobAndConquer: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x00000000021aed40 ***
11:57<stevecotton>The backtrace doesn't list function names (just rebuilt it unstripped, but still no symbols)
11:58<Torsten_W>Vi^3PirePengy: dpkg -l | grep virtualbox
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11:59<Kebianizao|work>stevecotton: what if you run it from gdb?
11:59<Vi^3PirePengy>virtualbox-ose 1.6.2-dfsg-1
11:59<stevecotton>Will tell you in about 10 minutes
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12:00<Stack>who know how to run wine in fullscreen mode?
12:00<Torsten_W>Vi^3PirePengy: u need the modules in the same version
12:00<themill>Stack: what do you mean? wine doesn't have a user interface
12:01<Stack>themill: I think wine must have option to run in full screen
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12:01<Torsten_W>Vi^3PirePengy: u could do an m-a a-i virtualbox-ose-source or install the precompiled module
12:01<Stack>themill: to run games, programs.
12:01<themill>Stack: what do you want to see on this screen?
12:01<Stack>themill: ^^^
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12:02<themill>Stack: yes, but what do actually want to see? A game fullscreen? then it is the *game* that has to run full screen, not wine.
12:02<themill>Stack: wine doesn't do anything that you can see
12:02<Stack>themill: yes, game
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12:02<[Kebianizao|work]>Stack: winecfg?
12:02<Vi^3PirePengy>Torsten_W: ^^
12:03<jany>wine too has an interface, it looks ugly, but it is Win95 lookalike wanabee
12:03<themill>jany: where do you see this interface?
12:03<Vi^3PirePengy>ya it seems like my guest modules and ose modules are mismatched Torsten_W
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12:04<Stack>[Kebianizao|work]: winecfg: command not found
12:04<maslak>how do i set which graphic card driver ill be using
12:04<maslak>where do I configuere graphic driver settings?
12:04<maslak>i thought `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`
12:05<maslak>but using this I only can set my keyboard settings..
12:05<[Kebianizao|work]>Stack: aptitude install wine-bin
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12:05<Stack>themill: games in fullscreen runs in window/
12:05<maslak>there is nothing about graphics
12:05<Torsten_W>Vi^3PirePengy: that's what the message from vbox told you
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12:05<Torsten_W>Vi^3PirePengy: so install the right modules
12:05<themill>Stack: so it's the *game* that has to do the fullscreen thing, not wine.
12:06<Vi^3PirePengy>kk cool
12:06<jany>you can find it if you tipe wine[tab][tab], then find winedesktop or something
12:06<Vi^3PirePengy>ty Torsten_W
12:06<jany>i dont use it, so i do nt have it
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12:06<smilingbandit2>Hello all. I was wondering if anyone out there is familiar w/ building a custom install cd? I can't make sense of the simple-cdd guide.
12:06<Stack>themill: thx!
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12:07<maslak>anybody knows what should I do? im on debian-sid
12:07<jany>for the game, use winecfg command, go to graphics tab, and set the resolution......
12:07<jany>you have addvanced options there too, if you need them
12:08<jany>than safe the settings for the game, so you set it once and play it alwatys the same
12:08<jany>works for me
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12:08<themill>jany: wtf?
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12:09<jany>somebody has the problem of running game fullscreen dont he
12:09<jany>so, i told him..........
12:09<jany>i home successful........
12:10<themill>jany: there are no fullscreen options there. And the resolution option has nothing to do with it, it's just a mapping of font sizes to pixel sizes.
12:10<jany>ok i will shut up
12:10<jany>but there is fullscreen option if you need it.......
12:10<jany>i used it years ago, but i dont play much now
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12:12<Stack>jany: fullscreen option?
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12:12<jany>no kidding
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12:13<maslak>where do I configuere graphic driver settings?
12:13<themill>maslak: you will need to write your own xorg.conf
12:14<maslak>where is it placed (in which catalogue)
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12:14<maslak>will i find some manuals on it on the net?
12:14<jany>yes or, man xorg
12:15<jany>there are always man pages for helping
12:15<maslak>ture :)
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12:15<jany>or go to, /usr/share/examples/etc
12:15<jany>there are sample files for almost anything
12:16<jany>then just remake them, add or remove some things
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12:16<Stack>[Kebianizao|work]: whereis wine-bin? (my version 1.0.0~winehq0)
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12:16<jany>type which wine-bin
12:17<jany>it tells you where it is
12:17<smilingbandit2>Is there any easy way to add specific packages during install? I'm imaging a lot of machines, and I need openssh and vlan running on all of them. It's become a chore to install it after the fact.
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12:17<themill>jany: you might like to try this: ls /usr/share/examples/etc
12:17<Stack>jany: :-)
12:17<jany>i did, there is nothing
12:17<jany>too many sistems in my head
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12:17<themill>jany: there is no wine-bin binary. It's a package.
12:17<Stack>themill: *THUMBS UP*
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12:18<themill>Stack: if you're using the packages from winehq then you should ask them about it.
12:18<Stack>themill: o0o0o0o0o YES!!!! Its true!
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12:19<Reggae__>gsimmons: thanks bro...u helped a lot certainlly.
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12:24<Stack>dpkg --install wine-bin
12:24<dpkg>Stack: no idea
12:24<Stack>dpkg: fuck
12:24<dpkg>hmm... fuck is cool
12:24<stevecotton>Kebianizao|work : This time it was a segfault.
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12:25<Kebianizao|work>stevecotton: you should submit that to developers I guess
12:26<smilingbandit2>when I'm installing, is there a way to select specific packages I want installed, in addition to the default?
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12:52<ootput>hi guys, what would be the reason behind a slow bootup (Starting MTA) appears to stall, but finally proceeds. This is a vanilla etch install
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12:53<alanhaggai>ootput: Do you use exim?
12:53<ootput>i dpkg-reconfigured exim4-config, and set it to local only, so why does it seem like its trying to use my wireless device (that hasn't authenticated with the network yet)
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12:54<alanhaggai>ootput: I had this same issue. Since I do not use exim, I removed the symbolic link for it from /etc/rc2.d/ if I am correct.
12:55<themill>ootput: exim coming up before your network is ready to answer DNS queries will do that.
12:55<ootput>alanhaggai: oh thanks. so a simple 'update-rc.d -f exim remove' should do the trick then?
12:55<alanhaggai>ootput: Yes. I think so.
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12:56<ootput>it sstill says "Starting MTA:
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12:57<ootput>i'll wait for the process to end, and will check /etc/init.d/ for the actual script name
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12:58<themill>ootput: there's an debconf option for exim to minimise dns lookups. That I think helps solve that problem.
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13:01<ootput>also, its not really debian specific, but I have a wired router connection from my laptop atm, and can ssh into it fine. but when i'm just using wirelss(to the same router) port 22 isn't reachable
13:01<ootput>i thought sshd listened on all devices by default
13:01<ootput>or is it the fact that because my wireless nic takes time to load, ssh ignores it anyway?
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13:20<noobman>can anyone tell me pls which distro is for intel dual core?
13:20<noobman>is it the general rule? amd64?
13:21<themill>noobman: if you want flash and java on your desktop machine, i386. If you want >3.4GB RAM or on a server, amd64.
13:21<noobman>ok thx it s for a server so no gnu
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13:22<noobman>thx for info was not sure
13:22<jany>i have amd64 debian unstable, with C2D 1,86 GHz with gig of ram, it works superb for me...... even flash and others works....
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13:22<jany>all 32 bit programs works flawlessly
13:23<noobman>it s for file server with 4 gig ddr2 and dc 6800
13:23<noobman>with 2 terra hdds
13:23<jany>i would recomend 64bit distro, naturally
13:23<noobman>so think wiser to use 64 bit structure
13:23<jany>if its debian, it works
13:24<noobman>first time i do intel :P
13:24<noobman>norm amd lol
13:24<jany>did you have any amd64 systems before?
13:24<noobman>thx for info think i ll be back later for some help
13:25<jany>how is it with performance...... is it ok? with linux or is it something else better
13:25<noobman>depends for what
13:25<noobman>i can say amd64 is stable
13:25<jany>but hardware i mean
13:25<jany>tru amd
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13:26<noobman>let me say for the price difference it s not worth buying intel
13:26<jany>i think of buying it for my desk, but am not sure......... distro of course would be 64bit
13:26<jany>hehe......... nice
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13:26<noobman>but intel bring out cheap dual cores now too
13:27<noobman>and these i don t know how they re doing with debian
13:27<jany>true but i want HyperTransport, with superb ram........
13:27<jany>works super for me with debian on intel.........
13:27<jany>but its laptop..... disk is slow
13:28<jany>have to switch it, than its fine i think
13:28<noobman>but ram boost it somewhat
13:29<noobman>me more used to do samba and mailservers
13:29<noobman>been a while now
13:29<noobman>hope i still got it
13:29<ootput>how do i specify nameserver in /etc/network/interfaces?
13:29<jany>hehe.... mail on Linux......... i dont do this anymore
13:29<ootput>i can't find it in interfaces & ifconfig man pages
13:29<noobman>and after all there still is swat if i loose direction :P
13:29<jany>nameservers??? heh........ you got me.........
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13:31<jany>i'll do network in the summer......... right now i have to do sam C and Java programs on Linux
13:31<jany>forgot allmost everything of network
13:32<noobman>got my linux bible edition 2k6 next to me here
13:32<noobman>took me a week to find it :P
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13:33<jany>i havet o study 400 pages of Java
13:33<jany>have similar book here :D
13:33<noobman>i hate java
13:33<jany>i have discovered debian only this year........... what a perfect platform for programmind
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13:34<jany>mee to, but youget used to it
13:34<noobman>what did u use before?
13:34<jany>anything, sabayon, gentoo, mandriva, redhat, suse for a day........ i have tried about 100 CDs....... dont know every cd i had
13:35<jany>i was just triing all shity distros till something worked
13:35<jany>thad tried debian stable..... i was impressed with filosofy......... and oldness of progs........ than somebody told me unstable is the way to go
13:35<jany>and unstable is stable pretty much
13:35<jany>happy with it, ddnt crashed even once in a year
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13:36<noobman>mandriva is stable too it s a debian kernel too but they do it there way
13:36<noobman>try slackware if u like nostalgy
13:37<jany>i know, but its too simple.......... i dont know, its my second distro ..... madrake 8.0, than i have switched again, and tried all till 11.0 community edition.......... than swtitched again...... a little BSD oses
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13:37<jany>tryed that too
13:37<jany>i dont see it for laptop
13:37<jany>BlueWhite and all slack based too
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13:38<jany>just one thing i dont like it, and trying to solve it......... ACPI....... or something else is eating power fo battery......... it holds my lappy for an hour and possibly half if it is a lucky day
13:38<jany>tried every thing.......... dont know whay that happens
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13:40<noobman>acpi is the weak thing on linux it takes a while to get the right drivers
13:40<jany>intel chipset......... on ubuntu it works pretty fine........ but debian......... THE only thing it doesnt work.......
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13:41<noobman>try google for it
13:41<jany>but i dont plan to switch from deb anymore..........
13:41<jany>tried recompiled kernel......... couple of times, now i just dont have the time.......... college first
13:41<jany>waiting for summer......... to hack my things
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13:42<noobman>i ve got some good urls at home i ll send them to you when i get home
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13:42<jany>thanks really
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13:46<noobman>thx for info
13:46<jany>no problem
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14:01<dimebar>my tty shortcuts have stopped working, they work fine from gdm but not once I've logged in - any ideas what I should be checking?
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14:50<toasterboy>is it better to use the lock feature or to add the "password --md5 <encrypted pass>" format for protecting GRUB? or does it even matter which one is used?
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15:06<dondelelcaro>toasterboy: you have to use them both
15:06<dondelelcaro>toasterboy: though in reality, it doesn't do all that much, since someone looking at the grub prompt can trivially own the machine
15:06<toasterboy>how do you figure?
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15:07<dondelelcaro>toasterboy: physical access to a machine obviates all security save encryption
15:07<dondelelcaro>(and if the machine is on, and encrypted partitions are mounted, it can even obviate that)
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15:09<toasterboy>i get that the drive can be mounted on another machine, but what's that about the machine being on?
15:09<toasterboy>if it's on and locked?
15:10<toasterboy>*if the screen is locked
15:10<toasterboy>guess they could just restart x and be sitting at my desktop.
15:10<toasterboy>does locking the screen also lock the keyboard or could someone just restart x?
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15:25<RaZa>hi, can anybody tell me where the Debian dictionary file is stored, and what format it is stored in?
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15:28<petemc> /usr/share/dict/american-english
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15:54<bbcdd>I am going to miss everybody in here terribly! I leave for USCG boot camp tomorrow. 9 months without IRSSI!
15:54<bbcdd>9 weeks, I'm sorry.
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15:57<pingouin>what is USCG ?
15:57<pingouin>boot camp ?
15:59<wnd>sounds like united states coast guard
15:59<dr>Hi All! Can I ask here some question about wget?
15:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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16:07<dr>I wanna download files from paridshare with premiumaccount with wget... how can I figure out whether my version of wget compiled with https and ssl support or not?
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16:09<pilou>hello, I have installed debian testing and gnome. When I go the administration menu and launch synaptic for exemple, gksu ask me for a password and that's all. I shoose at install time 'no rootconnexion'. How can I say debian to use gksudo instead of gksu ? thanks
16:10<wnd>dr, I don't know what's the right way(tm) to do that, but "ldd $(which wget) | grep ssl" will probably do. if it prints "libssl" it probably supports https/ssl.
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16:10<dr>wnd: Thanks!
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16:12<wnd>it may also be possible to use "--no-check-certificate" switch to check that. it the switch is available, ssl is probably compiled in.
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16:20<dr>when i enter "wget" and I get Unsupported scheme. does it mean that my version of wget unsupported ssl?
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16:21<dondelelcaro>dr: probably; ldd /usr/bin/wget; will tell you what is going on there for certain.
16:22<dondelelcaro>(if you don't see libssl, it won't work, and you should upgrade to at least etch.)
16:22<dondelelcaro>hell, at least sarge.
16:23<dr>I get "ldd is not found"
16:23<dr>I get "ldd: not found"
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16:25<wnd>does curl has ssl in <= woody?-)
16:26<d0rt>wnd, my memory is that there was a curl-ssl package back then
16:26<toasterboy>is there a key combination to "show desktop" or minimize all windows?
16:27<d0rt>but i may be thinking of the sarge days, so you're better of not taking my word...
16:27<wnd>dr, maybe you could try to install curl-ssl then -- if that's an option
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16:29<wnd>I started with potato, and funnily enough I can only remember that it had everything I ever wanted. then I switched to sid, and potato started to feel ancient. :-)
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16:32<toasterboy>"show desktop" / "minimize all windows" using a key-combo?
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16:38<toasterboy>hey. is this the same channel as on freenode?
16:38<dondelelcaro>toasterboy: similar people, different network.
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16:47<thaycs>toasterboy: I'm in both :0
16:48<toasterboy>you aren't using tor, eh?
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16:52<thaycs>me? not now, but it's installed.
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16:57<toasterboy>i just tried to install WinAMP and forgot it was for windows.
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16:59<toasterboy>is xmms similar to winamp?
16:59<toasterboy>i want something small and compact.
17:00<disposable>i have a problem with my debian computers in some environments. when i try to ping a host on the internet, it takes ages before anything comes up on screen (up to 20 seconds), however, the lines that show up say 0% packet loss and the ping times are <150ms. when i try pinging from windows machine (even a virtual one running on the affected host), the ping results are immediate. does anyone have a clue what's going on?
17:00<disposable>and Ctrl+C takes ages to stop the pinging
17:02<disposable>toasterboy: in amarok you can have a compact view. just click on 'settings' and 'show player window'
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17:29<dondelelcaro>disposable: are you pinging by name or by ip?
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17:45<Kerz>there isnt a firefox 3 .deb yet rite?
17:46<toasterboy>make your own
17:46<Kerz>thats not an answer
17:46<Kerz>so thats a yes?
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17:47<Kerz>im asking... if there is then i prob wud give it a try (course not)
17:47<toasterboy>dunno. ask on
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17:49<blarson>Kerz: iceweasel 3 is in sid.
17:50<stevecotton>toasterboy - xmms is out of unstable, replaced with a load of forked projects. Audacious is fairly close, once you've set it up not to scan the entire playlist for updated metainfo.
17:50<Kerz>compatible with etch?
17:52<toasterboy>so whould i have stable repositories in my sources.list if i want to install xmms via aptitude?
17:56<themill>!firefox 3 etch
17:56<dpkg>Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see and at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it
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17:58<toasterboy>what does the --fix-missing option for aptitude do exactly?
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18:00<dondelelcaro>toasterboy: it causes it to ignore packages which are missing on the mirror
18:01<toasterboy>wouldn't that be a bad idea in the case of an important dependency?
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18:02<bbcdd>I just plugged my mp3 player into USB - I can't figure out how to mount it, after reading two pages about it...
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18:02<bbcdd>...I've mounted other USB devices no problem and I'm wondering what the problem is... the device works fine.
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18:06<toasterboy>bbcdd: what command are you using?
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18:08<bbcdd>sudo fdisk -l returns only HDA values, from what I hear I need to find SDA
18:09<dondelelcaro>toasterboy: in that case it just won't install.
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18:09<bbcdd>dmesg is something I tried but I can't find my intel mp3 player, it just streams lots of devices (data?) with about 17 instances of "usb"
18:09<toasterboy>so why is there a dependency if it's not required for installation?
18:10<toasterboy>bbcdd: what's the most recent entry for a usb device?
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18:11<dondelelcaro>toasterboy: consider a case where a package is already installed, and you just can't download the newer version.
18:12<bbcdd>Sorry, toasterboy, most recent is at the very top or very bottom?
18:12<bbcdd>Is there a switch I can add to include date/time tags?
18:12<bbcdd>usbmount usbutils packages useful?
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18:12<toasterboy>bbcdd: the most recent device should be the last entry
18:13<toasterboy>right above your prompt after you run dmesg
18:13<bbcdd>usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4
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18:13<bbcdd>Yeah, configuration #1 was chosen for it...
18:15<bbcdd>USBviewer works alright.
18:16<bbcdd>And I can see it just don't know how to mount it.
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18:19<bbcdd>toasterboy; any word on mounting this?
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18:26<bbcdd>Can somebody help me mount a usb device?
18:27<bbcdd>I'm in a massive hurry and have been reading pages to no avail for 20 minutes
18:29<toasterboy>what's the last line in dmesg?
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18:30<bbcdd>usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice ; toasterboy thank you for helping me!
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18:30<bbcdd>Before that, it says usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4 ... if that's any help
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18:34<toasterboy>did you read your private message
18:34<bbcdd>I keep trying, nothing's working so far
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18:36<themill>bbcdd: are you sure it's a USB mass storage device?
18:36<bbcdd>themill, yes, intel 3000 mp3 player
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18:42<Torrieri>after reinstalling a operative system (lets say, moving from Debian 64bits to Debian 32bits) is there a way with a know tool go back and recover the information from the hard drive to get files form the last installation?
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18:48<bbcdd>Torrieri; not if you formatted the disk when you partitioned it and reinstalled the operATING system, no sadly
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18:50<toasterboy>bbcdd: idk
18:50<shze>hi! i did dist-upgrade my system (lenny) today and it changed the name of my hdd from hda to sda. the kernel was not replaced, i'm using my own.
18:50<bbcdd>Really? Crap
18:50<shze>what is the reason and how can i go back?
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18:51<Torrieri>bbcdd, not even this?
18:51<shze>my first idea was initramfs-tools (upgrade 0.92a to 0.92b), but the changelog didnt gave me any hints...
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18:52<bbcdd>Toasterboy; one question before I go though: all those incorrect/error messages in my dmesg me making extra folders that I don't need or is it in dmesg because me making those errors messed with configuration files?
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18:53<blarson>shze: I'm guessing sata. Older drivers treated them as pata, newer as scsi. It's a kernel change.
18:53<shze>blarson: but i did not change the kernel, and i have an pata hdd
18:53<bbcdd>all = are sorry ***
18:54<chealer>shze: you upgraded from what to what?
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18:54<shze>chealer: just dist-upgrade my already lenny-running debian (last upgrade was approx 2 month ago). i'm using a custom kernel, so the kernel is the same
18:55<shze>kernel is
18:57<shze>i wouldnt care much if i could use hdaps with sata-drivers, but i cannot (its an tp x40 with hdd protection==hdaps)
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18:59<stevecotton>Torrieri: sleuthkit / autopsy, if the data is really worth the effort.
19:00<chealer>shze: did you restart?
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19:01<shze>chealer: multiple times now.
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19:02<Torrieri>stevecotton, im getting a sue for us$23.000 because a data lost.
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19:03<Torrieri>stevecotton, for example a file in lets sat 3 weeks ago
19:04<chealer>shze: when was the last time you restarted before that?
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19:04<Torrieri>i want it back, is it possible with that?
19:04<shze>chealer: before the update?
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19:04<chealer>shze: yes
19:04<shze>about 2 weks ago
19:05<stevecotton>Torrieri, at that point I'd consider professional data recovery (unless the $23.000 is the cost of professional recovery).
19:05<chealer>shze: please provide your dpkg logs starting from that time
19:05<Torrieri>stevecotton, like which one? thats what im trying to find
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19:06<stevecotton>A data recovery specialist person, not a software tool.
19:09<shze>chealer: last 18 days of dpkg.log at
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19:17<chealer>shze: what does $ last; output?
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19:20<shze>chealer: as user; important to run as root?
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19:21<chealer>shze: no
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19:25<chealer>shze: no idea
19:26<shze>chealer: thx a lot for looking into that
19:27<shze>is there a possibility to change what's included in the initrd other than MODULES=most|dep|... in initramfs.conf?
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19:29<hsuj>hi, anyone familiar with cryptmount?
19:31<toasterboy>what are you trying to do?
19:31<hsuj>i encrypted a partition but it won t automount at startup
19:32<hsuj>i get cannot open /etc/cryptmount/cmtab
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19:37<Villarroel>Where is defined the architecture APT uses?
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19:39<Mozzi>hi to all
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19:41<shze>what else than the kernel decides which modules are loaded in initrd to find hdd? or in which order?
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19:42<shze>switching initramfs-tools 0.92b to 0.92a didnt help..
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19:42<shze>is it possible to disable sata-modules in the kernel and get my hdd recognized by pata?
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19:43<zaba141>pleas help how-to mounted raid disc in rescure mode ?
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19:46<dondelelcaro>zaba141: mount /dev/md1 /mnt/foo; or similar.
19:47<zaba141>he-rescue:/# mount /dev/md1 /home/cast2
19:47<zaba141>mount: you must specify the filesystem type
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19:55<dondelelcaro>so use -t to specify the filesystem
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19:56<dondelelcaro>zaba141: please don't /msg me. Use a paste site if you have a lot of output.
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19:59<toasterboy>hey. i have a logitech dual-analog controller
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19:59<shivraj>I have a question about the big mem kernel
20:00<shivraj>does it use more hash tables instead of quicksort for searching hence faster performance ?
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20:00<dondelelcaro>that has nothing whatsoever to do with bigmem
20:01<shivraj>what is big mem about then ?
20:01<dondelelcaro>shivraj: memory amounts larger than 4G
20:01<toasterboy>i have a .deb package. how do i install it?
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20:02<shivraj>toasterboy ?? dpkg -i *.deb
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20:08<toasterboy>shivraj: thanks.
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20:12<ptr>So, I'm curious. Is there a reason (other than lack of maintainer time) that freenx isn't in debian?
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20:13<toasterboy>nautilus was functioning properly. i checked the "Always open in browser windows" option in the Behavior tab of the Preferences. Now it crashes evry time i try to open a folder. Unchecking the box restores functionality but I'm right back where I started. Does that make sense?
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20:14<ptr>is there a dsfg issue or something? I can't find a discussion about it, but it seems people have been asking for it for years
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20:17<Hydroxide>ptr: also,
20:18<Hydroxide>ptr: also, bugs 470621-470624 indicate packages which have actually made it into debian
20:19<ptr>thanks, jimmy :)
20:19<Hydroxide>sure :)
20:19<ptr>hee hee
20:19<Hydroxide>ptr: though I'm not sure if they'll make it into stable ever
20:19<Hydroxide>as per #255850 and the concerns of the ftp-master and security team
20:19<dondelelcaro>though someone said something about it being entirely rewritten
20:19<ptr>yeah, I got that impression
20:20<ptr>forked libraries from 2004, a forked ssh... >.<
20:20<dondelelcaro>but yeah, someone who really wants it needs to put in the effort to get rid of all of those convenience copies
20:22<ptr>welp, I'm off home
20:22<ptr>Hydroxide: wanna get a bagel or something?
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20:23<ptr>tata, thanks, folks
20:23*Hydroxide takes this out-of-channel :)
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20:39<lettuce>hi, every image I download from, I run an md5sum on it and they always come up with problems, i burn them to cd or dvd and they won't boot because of these problems... how do i fix this if everything i download from is a bad image?
20:40<lupine_85>lettuce: how are you downloading them?
20:40<lettuce>i downloaded 3 times with bittorrent and 3 or 4 times http
20:41<lupine_85>int'rusting.. the internet's generally more reliable than that
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20:42<lettuce>yeah, i'm not sure what's going on...
20:43<CompWizrd>checked your local hardware? bad memory can do that ..
20:43<lettuce>brand new computer..
20:43<CompWizrd>so the most likely to have bad ram then
20:43<CompWizrd>does md5sum give different results if you run it again on the same file?
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20:44<lettuce>nope, says either unable to read 500 or 500 on the cd images and on the dvd ones it says something failed
20:44<stevecotton>Odd - bittorrent does built-in checksumming. To the extent that you can give it a file with some corruption, and have it replace the bits that are wrong.
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20:45<stevecotton>Can you see everything on the CD if you mount it?
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20:48<lettuce>nope. nothing
20:50<stevecotton>What if you mount the ISO before burning it (thinking it could be a dodgy CD drive)?
20:50<lettuce>i've tried burning with my external drive, same problem
20:51<toasterboy>ok. is there a different filemanager besides Nautilus?
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20:54<dondelelcaro>toasterboy: there are bunches of them, actually.
20:54<stevecotton>toasterboy - KDE's konqueror? What do you want it to do that Gnome doesn't?
20:54<toasterboy>nautilus is crashing every time i try to open a window. i cant get help for it and i cant figure out what it is. so i'm getting rid of it. :)
20:54<toasterboy>now i need something else to take it's place
20:55<toasterboy>can't i just use a different file browser instead of switching kde for gnome?
20:56<stevecotton>You can mix and match KDE apps in a Gnome desktop.
20:57<toasterboy>then i just need a different File Browser because Nautilus is not functioning properly.
20:57<toasterboy>could i uninstall nautilus?
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20:57<toasterboy>then reinstall
20:57<kop>toasterboy : Try somethin like: aptitude search ~Guse::browsing
20:58<stevecotton>aptitude reinstall nautilus
20:58<toasterboy>heh. i didn't even have aptitude installed.
20:58<stevecotton>man dpkg then :-p
20:59<toasterboy>i'm installing aptitude
20:59<lettuce>hey thanks to all who gave some help... i gotta go for now.. i'll be back if i haven't figured it out, bye bye
20:59<stevecotton>lettuce - you can test images without burning coasters.
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20:59<stevecotton>ah, too late to say about mount -o loop
20:59<toasterboy>aptitude search ~Guse::browsing returned 0 results
20:59<toasterboy>is that normal?
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21:04<stevecotton>Look for "use::browsing" in /var/lib/apt/lists/
21:05<stevecotton>Adjusting that filename to your mirror (noticed the "UK" in it after pressing enter)
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21:06<stevecotton>aptitude's search should work, but doesn't for me at the mo
21:08<toasterboy>use::browsing is in there
21:08<E0x>somebody know if the Xen thing in the nvidia official driver are get fixed ?
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21:16<lettuce>i'm back... i just downloaded an image from on my other computer (not the one i've been using the past 8 tries) and did a checksum.... same problem on there too........
21:16<toasterboy>heh. use slackware
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21:19<lettuce>the error is 'FAILED open or read'
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21:30<toasterboy>anyone run MAME?
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22:09<shze>hi! i'm still having the problem that after dist-upgrading my debian testing, my hdd changed from hda to sda, w/o changing the kernel
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22:09<shze>its a pata hdd in a tp x40. dpkg.logs are at
22:10<shze>any ideas?
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22:25<bh1>hey -- I'm trying to get wireless (intel 3945) to work on my laptop using iwlwifi. It worked transiently, but after rebooting I've had no luck.
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22:56<elofreak>hola, disculpen cual es el canal de debian español?
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23:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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23:26<dpkg>dependencies is, like, one of the killer benefits of Debian. Packages have or provide dependencies on other packages. The packaging tools (apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, etc.) automatically determine these dependencies and select additional packages for installation or removal if necessary, or may have to download deb files and do dpkg -i from time to time
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23:29<dpkg>one warez list being sent to motohoss
23:30<MotoHoss>how do I list package dependencies?
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23:30<gsimmons>MotoHoss: apt-cache depends foo
23:34<peterS>"What apt-cache command would I use for that?" "Hmmm ... depends."
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23:43<prak>does anyone know how to add an user account in mepis?
23:43<peterS>prak: #mepis is --> that way. you can try 'adduser' though, that is what you would use in debian
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