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---Logopened Sat Jun 21 00:00:24 2008
00:01<Zeroyez>okay
00:01<enouf>Zeroyez: there were a few iommu issues with amd64 bit arch version kernels as well - see <kernel version> ./Documentation/x86_64/boot-options.txtx
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00:02<enouf>Zeroyez: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.18.5/Documentation/x86_64/boot-options.txt but lkml.org searches should pull up mutliple iommu issues
00:03<enouf>Zeroyez: and what happens when there no irqpoll option given? won't find the HDD?
00:03<Zeroyez>nobody cared error, lol
00:03<enouf>Zeroyez: you should tweak your BIOS according to which type of Controllers are being used SATA/PATA/RAID
00:04<Zeroyez>well, it's only debian that is doing this on my computer
00:04<Zeroyez>I've installed ubuntu on it quite a few times flawlessly
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00:04<enouf>Zeroyez: if all SATA, try enabling any AHCI option under IDE Config, or [RAID] if only choices don't list ahci as an option
00:05<Zeroyez>PATA
00:05<enouf>Zeroyez: also maybe, ok then try "install generic.all_generic_ide=1"
00:05<enouf>but also note BIOS IDE settings
00:06<enouf>or heck - end up grabbing EtchnHalf, or install a newer kernel once installed :-P
00:07<enouf>!etchnhalf
00:07<dpkg>rumour has it, etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/
00:07<Zeroyez>oh sweet
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00:09<keith>Etch. AMD 64. What is the equivalent font of 'old English text' as in MS Word?
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00:12<Zeroyez>I think I might try Lenny
00:12<Zeroyez>I've always used Etch so I suppose it'd be nice to try something new
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00:14<Zeroyez>by the way why is there 5 DVD iso's, isn't that like 25 GB?
00:14<enouf>there's a lot of software available :-P
00:14<enouf>uncompressed it actually equates to ~45-50GB :-P
00:15<Zeroyez>Uhh, :|
00:15<Zeroyez>I think I'll have to stick with the netinst :P
00:15<enouf>don't d/l all DVDs, use apt or aptitude to install
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00:15<enouf>i mean, after initial netinstall
00:16<enouf>!msttfcore
00:16<Zeroyez>Wish there was just one dvd that was like netinst with just the desktop environment
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00:16<enouf>!msttcorefonts
00:16<dpkg>well, msttcorefonts is a package that will install the last distributable versions of Microsoft's "Core" fonts (Times New Roman, Arial, Courier New, Trebuchet, Andale, Verdana, Impact, Georgia, Comic Sans, Webdings). The package is in contrib (ask me about <contrib>) or you can download them yourself from http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ and ask me about <install font>.
00:17<blarson>Zeroyez: dvd 1 has the most popular stuff.
00:17<enouf>keith ?
00:17<enouf>!cd contents
00:17<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>.
00:17<enouf>!popcon
00:17<dpkg>methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank)
00:17<Zeroyez>Ah so I only need 1 DVD to install like a standard netinst without the need of internet access?
00:17<enouf>refer to the Installation Guide
00:18<Zeroyez>Because where my computer is at the time, the internet is DSL with the speed of dialup and I hate running netinst >.<
00:18<enouf>you'll want to do the debian mantra anyway just after installation
00:18<toasterboy>you only need 1 dvd
00:19<enouf>!debian mantra
00:19<dpkg>debian mantra is probably "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade"
00:19<enouf>(even though an 4.0r3 CD or DVD will be updated to such version)
00:20<toasterboy>i need to install a program using apt-get. is there a way to do this so that all dependencies are installed automatically to make the install possible?
00:20<enouf>so netinstall (200MB), CD (700MB), DVD (4.3GB) of the most popular stuff
00:20<enouf>uncompressed numbers are greater
00:21<kooll>toasterboy: that's what apt-get does. I don't understand the question
00:21<enouf>!auto-apt
00:21<dpkg>somebody said auto-apt was very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=auto-apt&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
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00:21<enouf>but yeah, apt and/or aptitude take care of that
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00:24<timmy_boy>What font is that on forums.debian.net with the penguin picture at the top left?
00:24<blarson>toasterboy: apt-get will install the dependancies.
00:25<toasterboy>how do i go from lenny back to etch? just remove the unstable entries in my repositories and then apt-get upgrade?
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00:25<craigevil>nope
00:25<toasterboy>ok. how then?
00:26<craigevil>short answer you dont
00:26<toasterboy>no way back from wonderland?!
00:26<craigevil>especially if you have unstable in your sources.list
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00:26<toasterboy>wish i had known that before i decided to use lenny
00:27<craigevil>!downgrade
00:27<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn>
00:27<toasterboy>my system is only about a week old
00:30<enouf>pays to read in advance eh? :-P
00:32<toasterboy>Err http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/non-free Packages
00:32<toasterboy> 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80]
00:32<toasterboy>?
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00:33<noonee>org
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00:34<qq> 64 bytes from 128.30.2.36: icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=124 ms
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00:38<enouf>you forgot main
00:39<enouf>pays to read in advance eh? :-P
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00:39<craigevil>toasterboy: testing works just fine
00:40<enouf>!sources.list
00:40<[gloom]>hi there
00:40<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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00:52<unni>eddy:
00:52<eddy>yes,i'm here
00:53<unni>so thats all there is toit
00:53<eddy>nice
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01:32<[gloom]>hey, can anyone give me a hand with a silly shell script thing, please?? http://rafb.net/p/fRYist75.html
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01:37<alexdbkim>Debian is really great!
01:37<alexdbkim>:)
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01:38<alexdbkim>ls
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02:09<zarchne>I have trouble adding drives to a working system (e.g., stock etch). It just says "waiting for rootfs" or somesuch.
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02:11<zarchne>!initramfs
02:11<dpkg>well, initramfs is the new initrd. See http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etch's release), or ask me about <initramfs debug>
02:12<zarchne>!initramfs debug
02:12<dpkg>from memory, initramfsdebug is http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug
02:20<qq>!ipv6
02:20<dpkg>somebody said ipv6 was at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/
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02:21<qq> /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*
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02:31<Frenchy>ok. so i need a window manager. what do you think? xcfe or icewm?
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02:32<Frenchy>everybody asleep already?
02:32<qq>kde, gdm , xdm
02:33<qq>Frenchy, and be polite , pls
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02:35<Frenchy>i've installed xdm, but i'm not sure how to start it
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02:38<Frenchy>startx crashes unless i'm root. i think the xorg.conf for my user is corrupt. would it do to copy the xorg.conf for root to my users */X11 path?
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02:39<Frenchy>oh, nm. root doesn't seem to have a xorg.conf.
02:40<qq>cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
02:41<davi>!kp
02:41<dpkg>To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en
02:41<Frenchy>and? why did i just do that?
02:41<davi>!kp mantra
02:41<dpkg>kp mantra is probably make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd.
02:42<Frenchy>davi: are you ok?
02:43<davi>Frenchy, trying to create the initrd.img-2.6.27.7 file
02:43<davi>any hint?
02:43<Frenchy>dunno mate
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02:43<Frenchy>good luck, though
02:43<davi>np ;)
02:44<[gloom]>I'm using the find command in a shel script, and I need to retrieve all the paths ir returns somehow, in order to do a specific action for each file. Is it possible?
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02:45<Frenchy>yes
02:45<Frenchy>i wrote a script that does the same thing
02:46<[gloom]>hehe, and could you please show me how to do it?? It's driving me crazy!!
02:46<[gloom]>:D
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02:47<Frenchy>i would if i could find the file. i'm having some xorg problems right now. sorry man
02:48<qq>davi, The latest prepatch for the stable Linux kernel tree is: 2.6.26-rc7
02:49<[gloom]>ok, thx man
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02:50<Frenchy>i cant run x with my user. it crashes every time i run startx
02:50<qq>Frenchy, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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02:52<davi>qq, I am using the stable version, 2.6.25.7
02:52<davi>qq, Are you a Linux kernel developer?
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02:54<Frenchy>no. he just thinks he is. ;)
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02:56<davi>I would like a GNU developer, a Linux kernel developer and ... but I do not have time :P
02:56<davi>be*
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02:58<Frenchy>so x will start if i'm root, but not if i'm myself.
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03:03<zarchne>davi: are you using initramfs-tools?
03:04<davi>zarchne, no. I did not know about it
03:04<davi>I am moving some modules, from modules to the main kernel to be able to boot the: make, make install, make modules_install
03:05<zarchne>I'm trying to figure out how to add drives that mess up the /dev/sd? naming. But in the process, I am looking at...
03:05<davi>Let me read the initramfs-tools doc
03:05<zarchne>davi: update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.18-6-vserver-amd64
03:06<davi>let me man for update-initramfs
03:06<zarchne>davi: update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.27.7 # possibly
03:07<davi>I am going to try that. Thanks zarchne :)
03:08<zarchne>davi: np. Maybe let me no if it works.
03:08<zarchne>*know
03:09<davi>sure. I am going to compile, install and reboot. Be patient :) if you care to know
03:10<davi>want to know*
03:11<zarchne>Having connected, I don't foresee disconnecting for at least few days.
03:15<zarchne>Still looking for how to configure update-initramfs so that "this real device currently called /dev/sda stays /dev/sda on reboot, d***it."
03:16<davi>zarchne, About your /dev/sda device, I think the kernel create it at boot time according to the hardware you at. At least if you have udev installed, I think. I could be mistaken.
03:17<davi>So if your harware is mapped as /dev/sda in the new kernel 2.6.25 you will not be able to change that
03:17*zarchne is dubious.
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03:21<zarchne>this is just the sort of think that an initrd and dynamic /dev *ought* to be able to fix, rather than being a stumbling block. It's scandalous.
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03:22<morii>hi, does anyone got a working Radeon 9200pro (rv280) with etch *and* 3D? my glxinfo gives only 'slow' and 'none' for 'cav eat'
03:22<tina>?!
03:22<tina>huhu
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03:23<zarchne>morii: yeah, although under xen clients claim it's not working, but it does.
03:23<zarchne>morii: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (rev 01)
03:24<morii>zakame, i tryed everything (imho) but nothing helps, tryed an x.org backport to
03:24<morii>VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (rev 01)
03:24<zarchne>morii: don't bug him, he's away.
03:24<tina>hello how are you?
03:25<tina>i speak german
03:25<zarchne>!de
03:25<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
03:25<zakame>morii: you mean zarchne
03:25<zakame>:)
03:25<morii>sry :)
03:26<zakame>been a while since I've ran on a 9200 though so I've forgotten how :/
03:27<morii>zarchne: i know about #debian.de - but no one their to help me
03:27<zarchne>morii: I was telling the other speaker.
03:28<morii>s/their/there/
03:28<morii>ops
03:28<tina>i can't not find this channel
03:29<tina>can you help me pleas?
03:29<morii>tina: '/join #debian.de'
03:29<tina>thank you.
03:30<tina>there is nobody ?!
03:30<zarchne>looks like it's #debian-de on irc.freenode.net
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03:31<zarchne>tina: if you have a question about debian you can express in english, just go ahead.
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03:32<morii>zarchne: do i have to do something special? with dpkg-reconfigure i used ati as the driver. by hand i tried radeon, but that did not helped
03:33<tina>sorry my english is for runn away...
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03:33<zarchne>morii: you're only running one x server, right?
03:33<morii>yes
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03:34<zarchne>and you have and /etc/X11/xorg.conf and no xorg.conf-4 (which takes priority if present, I think).
03:34<Zoup>Hi , vmstat shows 100% cpu waiting , no disk usage , any idea ?
03:34<morii>yes
03:35<morii>if i look at the log the correct conf is used
03:36<gsimmons>timmy_boy: At a guess, it's the artwiz "snap" font.
03:36<zarchne>Zoup: vmstat or iostat? past a sample (1) line from e.g., "vmstat 3" (multiple lines can get you kicked, but one is okay.)
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03:37<zarchne>morii: and you said it uses 'Driver "ati"'...
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03:38<morii>yes
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03:38<Zoup>zarchne: http://rafb.net/p/cdATbD55.html
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03:39<morii>driver 'ati', busid '"PCI:1:0:0"
03:40<davi>Does ATI graphic cards offer a Free Software 3D capable driver?
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03:40<zarchne>davi: the ati driver is supposed to be that, at least for RV280.
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03:41<zarchne>And sometimes (especially before I started using a xen-enabled kernel, but even afterwards) it works for me.
03:42<davi>zarchne, What debian package for it?
03:42<morii>using fglrx (driver from ati) is not for rv280 anymore
03:42<zarchne>it's not free software, either, right?
03:42<morii>fglrx is not free
03:43<davi>Are you using fglrx zarchne ?
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03:43<Zoup>zarchne: any idea ? :)
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03:43<zarchne>no, ati, fglrx definitely did not work with xen kernel
03:44<davi>zarchne, So the custom Debian ati driver?
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03:44<zarchne>And I don't remember any diffence in e.g., tuxkart.
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03:45<morii>tuxcard is not the problem for me, but running glxgears is stupid slow
03:45<zarchne>morii: however, as I said before, there have been times when it seems the clients are complaining about non-dri but I'm still getting acceleration. (yes, I'm sure I know the difference)
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03:46<zarchne>morii: uname -a ?
03:46<morii>Linux case 2.6.18-6-k7 #1 SMP Fri Jun 6 22:56:53 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
03:47<gsimmons>!tell morii -about radeon
03:47<davi>zarchne, did you used make-kpkg to compile your kernel, or did you realized it by hand, make, make install, ...?
03:47<zarchne>davi: stock kernel
03:47<davi>zarchne, Debian sid?
03:48<zarchne>etch
03:48<gsimmons>morii: You'd want to ensure you have 'libgl1-mesa-dri' installed - to provide the necessary DRI modules - if using the free driver.
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03:48<davi>zarchne: uname -a ?
03:48<zarchne>Linux duns-scotus 2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 #1 SMP Sat Jun 7 02:40:49 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
03:49<davi>shit, that is plain old!
03:49<morii>libgl1-mesa-dri: Installed: 6.5.1-0.6
03:49*zarchne shrugs.
03:49<zarchne>dave: YES, I AM RUNNING Debian STABLE.
03:49<zarchne>as is morii, AIUI.
03:50<morii>glxinfo 'direct rendering: Yes' 'server glx vendor string: SGI' 'server glx version string: 1.2'
03:50<zarchne>Not in my vservers, though, those are upgraded to lenny.
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03:50<morii>zarchne: AIUI <-?
03:51<davi>As I Understand It
03:51<morii>as i use it ?
03:51*zarchne looks around for the wtf bot. Oh, hasn't been written yet.
03:51<morii>ah
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03:51<zarchne>morii: you're using etch, right?
03:51<morii>yes
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03:52<zarchne>then My Understanding Of It was correct
03:52<zarchne>and I'm typed to the wrong dav*
03:53<davi>!tell morii -about radeon
03:53<davi>Oops!
03:54<davi>!tell davi -about radeon
03:54<zarchne>morii: if you have a report that "direct rendering: Yes"
03:54<morii>davi: i take a look
03:54<zarchne>davi: /msg dpkg radeon
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03:55<zarchne>morii ... apart from glxgears, is there a particular app that should be accelerated that's clearly not?
03:55<morii>i tried the 'radeon' driver too, but with than there are some quirks to the mouse behavior
03:56<morii>i will try wine
03:56<morii>with a 3D game
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03:57<zarchne>I wouldn't make bets on that. I was just happy to get decent performance out of tuxkart and armagetron.
03:57<morii>googleearth, tuxcard, tuxracer - no problem
03:58<zarchne>morii: then in my opinion, you're there as far as the X server config goes.
03:59<morii>sh*t! - but i wonder why glxigears is sooooo slow
04:00*zarchne wonders what morii's high score in glxgears is, but says nothing.
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04:00<gsimmons>morii: The 'ati' driver is just a wrapper for the radeon, r128 and atimisc drivers. It loads the radeon driver in your system based on chipset autodetection.
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04:01<morii>ok - it was a test for me which displays the use off 3D with mesa
04:01<zarchne>Zoup: did you try running "top"?
04:02<morii>gsimmons, lsmod:
04:02<morii>radeon 100000 3
04:02<morii>drm 61844 4 radeon
04:02<Zoup>zarchne: load is very low
04:02<Zoup>nothing on top
04:02<Zoup>zarchne: its typically 'init' on top
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04:03<zarchne>Zoup: load is low but you still have high%wa?
04:03<Zoup>zarchne: indeed
04:03<morii>gsimmons: and for ati:
04:03<morii>ati_agp 8972 0
04:04<morii>agpgart 30216 3 ati_agp,drm,sis_agp
04:04<morii>gsimmons: is it ok?
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04:04<zarchne>Zoup: if you hit "i" in top it will display only non-idle tasks, does that help at all?
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04:05<Zoup>zarchne: its just top , ssh there
04:06<zarchne>Zoup: Just shooting in the dark, here, but I noticed you had no swap used. have you thought about adding some swap?
04:08<Zoup>zarchne: there is 2GB swap partition , its not used
04:08<Zoup>zarchne: in fact , there is already 1.3GB free memory ( even not cached )
04:08<zarchne>Okay, no points for me on that one, then.
04:08<Zoup>zarchne: thank you :)
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04:14<davi>Is the nvidia post-etch driver Free Software?
04:17<blarson>!nvidia
04:17<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
04:17<gsimmons>davi: No. It's the same non-free 'nvidia' driver.
04:17<cahoot>wait for noveau
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04:18<davi>thanks gsimmons
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04:18<davi>So, I think I will buy ATI instead of Nvidia
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04:20<davi>The ATI 3D driver seems to be Free Software, so why invest in the development of Nvidia "noveau"?
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04:21<cahoot>yes ATI users tend to be content
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04:22<davi>cool
04:22<cahoot>davi: sorry - misplaced irony
04:23<davi>are ATI drivers 100% free software?
04:23<qq>nope
04:24<morii>thanks too all
04:24<davi>OK, qq
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04:24<davi>qq, What would you buy Nvidea or ATI?
04:25<TBBle>66% free software. Radeon and RadeonHD are, while FireGL remains closed source.
04:25<qq>davi, nothing , in any case no INVIDIA
04:27<davi>ok
04:27<davi>Conclusion: Radeon or RadeonHD
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04:32<blarson>or intel
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04:38<qq>any one use lemote here ?
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04:41<davi>blarson, Are the Intel 3D drivers Free Software?
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04:43<qq57>davi, what's mens Free Software?
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04:44<qq57> s/mens/means
04:44<cahoot>davi: you plan to run games?
04:44<davi>qq57, http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
04:44<qq57>thx davi
04:45<davi>cahoot, no, just the desktop. But I would like have 3D support for my baby; you know.
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05:06<captain_peds>anyone know alot about SD and SDHC card readers? I am having a very difficult issue...
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05:08<valdyn>davi: nvidia proprietary drivers are traditionally the beset 3D support you can get
05:09<valdyn>davi: free drivers wont be good enough for what I need till dri2 is finished and that could be a year still
05:10<valdyn>s/free drivers/free radeon drivers/, nvidia wont have decent free drivers anytime soon
05:10<captain_peds>anyone think they can help me out with an SDHC card mounting issue?
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05:11<davi>valdyn, Is the "nvidia proprietary" supported on linux kernel 2.6.25.7?
05:11<valdyn>davi: i dont know, but nvidia never takes a long time to catch up with latest kernels
05:11<davi>I have to tell it: proprietary software suck :P
05:12<valdyn>davi: thats not a serious issue that should play a role in your decision
05:12<davi>Freedom matter, at least for me.
05:12<davi>matters*
05:12<valdyn>davi: i mean lateset kernel support
05:13<davi>ah
05:13<davi>Well I am running 2.6.25.7 right now
05:13<valdyn>davi: im not talking about freedom, thats your business
05:14<davi>If proprietary software force me even to back to an more old kernel, it such even more :P
05:14<davi>I have to repeat it: proprietary software suck :P
05:14<valdyn>davi: your only choice for a free non-intel chipset 3D accelerated free drivers are radeons up to 1950
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05:14<davi>cool, that is the info I need to buy my next computer. Thanks valdyn
05:15<valdyn>davi: and r500 chipset 3D acceleration is also pretty new, i cant tell you how reliable it is
05:15<davi>I see
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05:16<valdyn>davi: also, compiz running with decent video playback support on free drivers will take until dri2 is complete
05:16<valdyn>davi: ... which might be a while
05:16<davi>I can wait a year, no problem.
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05:17<davi>zarchne, I report you "update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.25.7" has worked perfectly.
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05:25<captain_peds>can anyone help me with an sd card mounting issue?
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05:29<captain_peds>anyone at all?
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05:33<Torsten_W>!ask
05:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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05:36<fobr>Hi! How can I play sounds via PC SPEAKER? /usr/bin/play says: /dev/dsp: no such device
05:37<captain_peds>Im having a problem mounting an SDHC card. Im running Lenny on an asus eeepc900. when I insert the card, it gets mounted as a read-only volume, even though the write protect tab is off. I have no problems with normal SD cards, only SDHC. The card itself works on other computers, and worked fine in a previous debian lenny installation.
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05:39<captain_peds>i put the card in /etc/fstab, and now when i mount it (mount -a) i can read and write to it from the CLI, but if i try to use a GUI file manager, the disk becomes read-only, even as root
05:40<valdyn>captain_peds: its probably mounted twice, see df
05:40<captain_peds>valdyn, what is df?
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05:43<captain_peds>ok df got it sorry
05:46<captain_peds>its not mounted twice
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06:02<fobr>Hi! How can I play sounds via PC SPEAKER? /usr/bin/play says: /dev/dsp: no such device
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06:07<valdyn>fobr: why would you do that?
06:07<valdyn>fobr: or do you just want to beep?
06:08<valdyn>!beep
06:08<dpkg>it has been said that beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port
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06:10<valdyn>fobr: 2.6.26 kernel will have an alsa driver for the pc speaker, but that doesnot make its sound any less awefull
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06:13<fobr>I have kernel 2.6.8
06:13<fobr>is there any way to get the speakers work?=
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06:37<fobr>cp foo.txt /tmp | at 13:00
06:38<fobr>this executes NOW, although the time is in the future. WHY?
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06:38<Skrat>fobr; why the |?
06:38<Skrat>It copies foo to tmp, then does it again at 13:00, I think
06:38<maui_>someone know what to do if a e1000 onboard nic with two ports does only show up as eth0, with eth1 missing?
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06:39<maui_>lshw shows me on unclaimed network resource
06:39<fobr>Skrat: because at is not an option of cp!
06:39<Skrat>Hm. :|
06:40<Skrat>Oh, yes, of course. But I think it will execute it now, then again at 13:00... :|
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06:40<fobr>so how can I execute the cp command ONCE only at the time specified?
06:41<themill>fobr: man 1 at
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06:43<fobr>themill: this is not helpful
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06:44<themill>?
06:44<fobr>!
06:45<themill>fobr: it's the answer to your question; like it or don't like it, that's up to you.
06:45<fobr>no, its not an answer
06:45<fobr>its the general documentation, but I need a SPECIFIC answer
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06:46<Skrat>fobr; Google
06:46<Skrat>:|
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06:47<valdyn>fobr:' read the documentation to atd, or man at
06:48<valdyn>fobr: your piping command doesnt do what you want anyway
06:49<valdyn>fobr: but "echo 'cp foo.txt /tmp' | at 13:00" will
06:49<fobr>thx
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06:51<themill>fobr: I help people who help themselves. There is no reason you can't read general documentation just as I can. And I'm not going to read it for you (as I would have to check that I got it right for you).
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07:00<fobr>themill: if you don't want to help, why don't you just keep silent?
07:01<fobr>there's no use of telling others how stupid they are
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07:03<Skrat>BRB
07:04<valdyn>fobr: you're just lazy
07:04<themill>fobr: I'm not telling you are stupid; that you are using debian and asking questions proves that you're not. Most people are happy to be pointed towards the docs for whatever utility they need. That's all I was doing. Good luck with it :)
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07:14<koe>which packages do i have to install to make vlc able to record sound
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07:15<koe>and i would prefer if i could encode video in other formats than mpeg1
07:16<koe>even theora doesnt work
07:16<koe>i installed a bunch of codecs
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07:16<koe>but no luck
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07:17<koe>vlc encoding/transcodig experience anyone?
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07:24<fobr>bye folks
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07:52<tekken>opaaa
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07:52<tekken>tudo blz
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07:57<Pepper> etch->lenny
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08:01<qq> etch->lenny-> etch ... better
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08:14<enouf>Pepper: are you trying to do "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" ?
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08:19<maui_>hey...my e1000 onboard nic has two ports...debian however only added eth0
08:19<Gekz>lol
08:19<maui_>someone know how to get the missing eth1?
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08:23<abrotman>is it really two NICs or just two jacks ?
08:23<fxiny>long time i havn't check the bitlbee/new-yahop issue . bpo fixed . one more tx to bpo ppl :)
08:23<maui_>dont know if its two nics
08:24<maui_>think so because its 0000:04:02.0 and 0000:00:19.0
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08:24<fxiny>sounds like a double handled saucepan : get the noodles ready :P
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08:26<enouf>fxiny: no porbs!
08:27<fxiny>enouf: hehehe :)
08:27<enouf>maui_: pastebin output of lspci -nn
08:28<fxiny>enouf: seen firebus3 ? it can't properly save 10% of pages i visit ;)
08:28<fxiny>enouf: and i am talking sourceforge !
08:28<enouf>maui_: and ls /sys/class/net/
08:29<enouf>fxiny: wow, 10% .. that's a record! ;-)
08:29<fxiny>enouf: "source file could not be read" hahahah super buggy release
08:29<enouf>oh can't
08:29<fxiny>suckzilla strikes again :P
08:29<maui_>ok
08:30<maui_>don't know why but suddenly eth2 appeared !
08:30<abrotman>problem solved .. lunch time
08:31<enouf>fxiny: heh, here, visit this; http://www.midamericacomponents.com/findadistributor.aspx
08:31<fxiny>you already have a fat cook icon : want another one ?
08:31<enouf>fxiny: aspx! .. gahhh
08:31<fxiny>enouf: going there :)
08:31<enouf>abrotman: hehe
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08:32<fxiny>enouf: "Server Application Unavailable" heheheh
08:33<fxiny>lemme try opera and icewilly
08:33<enouf>fxiny: it's r-e-a-l bad in konq
08:33<fxiny>kong ?
08:33<enouf>fxiny: i can't even get to that page in links2
08:33<enouf>konQ
08:33<enouf>konQueror :-P
08:33<fxiny>ah konQ
08:34<fxiny>firing up icewilly and opera in a sec
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08:34<fxiny>enouf: lynx failed
08:35<enouf>hehe
08:35<Gekz>lynx fails well.
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08:35<fxiny>yeshh indeed "excellent" :)
08:35<enouf>!spank Gekz
08:35*dpkg bends Gekz over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK*
08:35<Gekz>no u
08:36<fxiny>opera failed
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08:37<enouf>fxiny: it's ok, the page fails completely, but in konq it spews all sorts of crap too :-P
08:37<fxiny>enouf: links2 is the best : it fails in a sec ! hehehe
08:37<enouf>fxiny: well, it renders .. but it's an error - and i meant, from the top level domain, i can't even click to get there :-P
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08:38<enouf>fxiny: i had to grab the last portion of url from html source
08:38<fxiny>squink-konq totally fails here
08:40<fxiny>enouf: i can fire a vmwarez up if you really want to know what's hidden it that page : i have a vmwarez in my LUKS good etch :)
08:40<enouf>fxiny: hehe .. no worries, let it rot in all it's poop :-)
08:41<enouf>fxiny: i got the info i needed last week from calling the parent company
08:41<fxiny>enouf: i'm polishing a vserver atm . pretty nice stuff . long time i did not fire it up
08:42<enouf>black or brown shoe polish?
08:42<enouf>oh, right, vserver, cool
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08:42<enouf>(you said vmwarez earlier)
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08:43<fxiny>enouf: yes , "rez" cause i never used a real email address :)
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08:44<enouf>ofcourse not .. never!
08:44<fxiny>if we all have to die by the 2012 cause internet will be a murTock playground who cares ?
08:45<fxiny>quetzlatmurtock
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08:46<enouf>fxiny: have you heard? US CongressCritters passed the bill that extends the FISA surveillance security thing until 2012 :-P
08:46<fxiny>enouf: hahaha the are all enlisted in the same massonic lodge : f* idiots ! hahahah
08:46<fxiny>2012 a f*
08:47<abrotman>!ot
08:47<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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08:47<fxiny>fair enouf :)
08:47<fxiny>enouf: :)
08:48<enouf>abrotman: go answer maligor :-P
08:48<fxiny>enouf: i'm bored : i need some debconf streamripping
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08:49<fxiny>enouf: we had good fun with debconf last year :)
08:50<enouf>fxiny: indeed we did ;-)
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08:50<enouf>fxiny: when is it August?
08:51<fxiny>enouf: august ? can't wait so long
08:51<enouf>fxiny: oh, and do you know if etch 4.0r4 is kind of being .. er put aside, in favor of EtchnHalf and/or Lenny->Stable work?
08:52<enouf>fxiny: i know it's somewhere in S.A this year - Sao Paolo Brazil maybe?
08:52<fxiny>enouf: dunno. but is a good idea breaking the stable kernel rule
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08:53<enouf>fxiny: well , cause too much newer hardware .. sigh
08:53<enouf>fxiny: all these weenies need new boxen, rather than making the coders write less bloated wares :-P
08:53<fxiny>sao paolo ? so s/scots-beer/batida ? can the geeks cope with ananas.br and banana.br ?
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08:54<enouf>carnival!
08:55<enouf>+e maybe
08:55<fxiny>heheheh
08:55<abrotman>argentina
08:55<fxiny>don't cry for me ?
08:55<enouf>i can't believe you wrote that! .. was thinking same
08:55<fxiny>wtf ! the land of steaks ! cannibals and maradonas :P
08:56<enouf>abrotman: city is?
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08:56<abrotman>https://debconf8.debconf.org/
08:56<fxiny>br is full of kuruminians
08:57<enouf>ahh Buenas Aires
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08:57<fxiny>enouf: we will be here making noise while streamripping ar-debonf then , no porbs :)
08:57<abrotman>Mar del Plata
08:57<enouf>wait, Mars ? O_o
08:58<fxiny>plata ? silver !
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08:58<enouf>fxiny: i like the name La Playa ;-)
08:59<fxiny>enouf: hahah meeeeeeee toooo
08:59<enouf>fxiny: now .. what are we getting Streaming Theora/Vorbis again? in Ogg goodness?
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09:00<fxiny>enouf: anything , we will sytreamripp every talk
09:00<enouf>fxiny: "Currently, 397 people have registered for DebConf8, 340 plan to attend, but only 122 have reconfirmed" maybe you can grab a late boat out? :-p
09:01<fxiny>enouf: and some ops will upload like last year
09:02<fxiny>enouf: a boat ? some refurbished uboat ?
09:02<enouf>ahh .. right ... why not make sure the live streams are "more on target" ;-) but actually, it is nicer to view them later when 3-5 are going on at once
09:02<enouf>fxiny: maybe a large dinghy :-P
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09:03*enouf votes to pledge a canoe for fxiny :-)
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09:03<fxiny>enouf: hahahah : i love rafting ohh yeahhhh ;)
09:04<enouf>fxiny: ahh .. a debconf2007 "report" .. as PDF .. hrm
09:04<enouf>a 'final report'
09:04<fxiny>enouf: pdf ?
09:05<enouf>fxiny: http://media.debconf.org/dc7/report/
09:06<fxiny>enouf: last year the ogg quality was so scottish : gelly , foggy , ghostly : hirosh* ops , theora mon amouur
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09:06<fxiny>enouf: we gonna fry our cpu again for the cause :)
09:06<dak>hah
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09:08<fxiny>enouf: so we'll see drunk geeks dancing TANGO ?
09:08<fxiny>can't resist so long
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09:09<enouf>fxiny: haha
09:10<enouf>fxiny: do the /join thing ;-)
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09:10<enouf>fxiny: do it !
09:10<enouf>;-)
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09:12<fxiny>enouf: got no money for the ticket . need to fix my ATX fan first : still holding it with a toothpick :)
09:13<enouf>fxiny: you funny ..
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09:35<Laeborg>http://pastebin.org/45113 - anyone who can help me?
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09:49<enouf>Laeborg: how about some info and history
09:50<Laeborg>well we are two users on the server, at we have each an account. I have never had problems with this before the other account was created.
09:51<Laeborg>as you can see its NX Server I have problems with
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09:55<enouf>Laeborg: ok , well i don't happen to know personally ... hrm looks like someone setup their /something/ that maxes out the allowable concurrent connections
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10:02<enouf>Laeborg: actually, the message just prior; " NX> 147 Server capacity: reached for user: nasty" almost sounds like there some /etc/security/limits.conf in place, or some kind of quotas .. or you just have connected so many times without closing out last ones
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11:37<raffaele>!list
11:37<dpkg>one warez list being sent to raffaele
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11:59<Villarroel>Hi!
12:00<kyle_>Hi
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12:08<MotoHoss>http://paste.debian.net/7080 <<any ideas on what is causing this?
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12:12<Piet>you might want to check X logs
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12:22<MotoHoss>Piet : yep the Xorg logs and gdm logs show nvidia_drv.so thanks.
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12:30<rubengonc>hello
12:31<iggy_>back again
12:31<binary>hey all
12:31-!-geenna [~geenna@213-140-21-232.fastres.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:31<binary>I have a question to ask
12:32<rubengonc>normally i use aptitude from command line to upgrade my system, but i tried to use the "upgrade" function in synaptic and it wants to install a lot of gnome related packages
12:32<rubengonc>(i uninstalled gnome)
12:32<rubengonc>that doesnt happen using aptitude from cli
12:32<binary>I'll go ahead
12:33<binary>I'm having issues with the system time in lenny
12:33<abrotman>rubengonc: paste it in a pastebin
12:33<binary>I know I can solve these issues by using a later version of the kernel
12:33<binary>however last time I used a newer kernel in etch module assistant blew up in my face
12:33<rubengonc>abrotman, i cant, it shows up in synaptic, not as text
12:33<iggy_>i'm not seeing my open windows on my taskbar. what's the applet i need to add?
12:34<abrotman>!paset
12:34<abrotman>!paste
12:34<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
12:34<abrotman>picpaste.com ? :)
12:34<binary>how likely is it that if I compile a custom kernel again modules assistant will blow up in my face
12:34<rubengonc>abrotman, :) yeah i know! but the list is to large, ive to scroll
12:34<rubengonc>but wait
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12:35<abrotman>rubengonc: so then just upgrade them
12:35<rubengonc>abrotman, i dont have them installed!
12:35<rubengonc>it wants to install them!
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12:38<Zerth>Hi.
12:38<rubengonc>abrotman, http://picpaste.com/snapshot1_1.png
12:38<rubengonc>here, take a look
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12:39<abrotman>rubengonc: looks like you still have gnome packages installed
12:39<rubengonc>any way to know what ones?
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12:45<chealer>binary: define "blow up in my face"
12:46<Zerth>A poorly hidden porn collection \o/
12:46<iggy_>i'm not seeing my open windows on my taskbar. what's the applet i need to add?
12:47<rubengonc>iggy_, taskbar?
12:47<rubengonc>iggy_, kde?
12:47<iggy_>gnome
12:47<rubengonc>or gnome?
12:47<rubengonc>i think its taskbar anyway
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12:48<fxiny>kde ? gnome ? taskbar ? we don't have such problems on tiling window managers planet :P
12:49<rubengonc>fxiny, well i love tiling wm but...there are some issues
12:49<fxiny>let me get my quad+wide-screen and voila' : xmonad
12:49<rubengonc>(at least for me)
12:49<rubengonc>for example, dialog ,pop-up windows opening as biiiiig ones
12:50<fxiny>rubengonc: issues ? do uou call manager a kde/gnome window manager which never manage window in such ways ?
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12:51<rubengonc>i use openbox as a wm, and yes, it manages windows:P
12:51<rubengonc>but i love the tiling concept...
12:51<rubengonc>but i dont like some behaviors
12:52<rubengonc>like that of dialogs and such
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12:52<fxiny>right : no stupid virtual desktops but tags
12:52<binary>chealer: hey
12:52<binary>chealer: "blow up in face" = Compile error
12:53<chealer>binary: depends on what you compile
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12:54<binary>chealer: I was compiling in etch using a custom kernel I'd built
12:54<iggy_>yeah. panel not taskbar
12:55<chealer>binary: but which LKM?
12:55<binary>chealer: I'm sorry, LKM?
12:55<chealer>!tell binary about lkm
12:55*binary google LKM
12:55<fxiny>rubengonc: i run flux when not in wmii . i'm still on etch but hell when i go from wmmi to flux , for the first five minutes flux looks like windows , and it's fluxbox .
12:56<binary>hmm not so useful :-P
12:56<thomasbl>lkm == linux kernel module
12:56<fxiny>i've checked nearly all tinling wm on etch , some backports , xmonad will be my wm on lenny
12:56<thomasbl>just a simple module for your kernel
12:56<rubengonc>fxiny, tried awesome,wmii
12:57<rubengonc>dont knew about xmonad
12:57<binary>chealer: I have no idea
12:57<binary>chealer: which ever ones I thought I would need
12:57<fxiny>rubengonc: awesome best for showing layouts
12:57<rubengonc>i prefer wmii over awesome
12:57<binary>chealer: but you don't add ndiswrapper in the kernel configuration
12:57<fxiny>giving time we'll have smarter wm
12:58<rubengonc>fxiny, let me have a look on xmonad
12:58<chealer>binary: well, you should know which ones. I use only 1 out-of-tree LKM per machine
12:58<thomasbl>fxiny: there already exists: fvwm! :P
12:58<binary>chealer: I'm sorry I don't
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12:59<fxiny>thomasbl: nahhh : a wm must manage windows , must know what a user want
13:00<eddy>..
13:00<fxiny>and no virtual desktops !
13:00<fxiny>that is for kids
13:00<rubengonc>fxiny, xmonad+deps=214MB in disk
13:00<thomasbl>so, fvwm is the right choice! you just can exclude virual desktops in fvwm if you want
13:00<thomasbl>you can change _everything_ you want
13:01<thomasbl>thats the amazing with fvwm
13:01<thomasbl>but its still simple to configure
13:01<rubengonc>try them all, use what one suits you best
13:01<fxiny>rubengonc: doesn't matter : size is not an issue , in the future we'll have the chance , hopefully ,to run emacs next to iceweasel in A4 size
13:01*thomasbl going to party, bye
13:02<chealer>binary: it depends on what you'll build
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13:02<binary>chealer: I don't think I understand you
13:02<rubengonc>fxiny, somehow it is strange that a tiling wm requires so much deps!
13:02<fxiny>rubengonc: and the wm , whn we are running enmacs and we fire iveweasel up . should guess we want to paste something and server nive layouts : no mouse resizing
13:03<rubengonc>and size may be an issue
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13:03<fxiny>f* typos :)
13:03<chealer>binary: the chances that you get compile errors when trying to upgrade Linux depends on which LKM-s you'll attempt compiling.
13:03<binary>okay
13:03<fxiny>rubengonc: is correct ; nmore deps cause is far more advanced then primitives kde-gnomish wm
13:04<binary>chealer: I think I understand
13:04<binary>chealer: I was trying to compile ndiswrapper
13:04<fxiny>rubengonc: i dont want to resize windows : the wm must do it for me
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13:05<chealer>binary: I don't know ndiswrapper but I guess its latest version should compile fine against almost any recent Linux version
13:05<rubengonc>fxiny, gonna log in in xmonad...see ya
13:05<fxiny>rubengonc: and i don0t want to rememebr what is on virtual deskop n : i call my tag and all windows are back to me
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13:06<fxiny>the virtual desktop thing is absurd
13:06<binary>chealer: would that include etch?
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13:08<rubengonc>fxiny, well, it just doesnt start
13:09<chealer>binary: not the latest ndiswrapper version in etch, no. the latest upstream or the one in testing
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13:11<binary>chealer: okay well I have to leave now
13:11<binary>chealer: but I'm going to try compiling it against a custom kernel in lenny
13:12<fxiny>rubengonc: i've checked jps (people.debian.org) xmonad debs on etch . i think there are nomeata debs around as well
13:13<rubengonc>i am using lenny
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13:13<fxiny>i had some problems . it was running anyway . good to see how it works
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13:15<fxiny>rubengonc: it was on a kde-flux-wmii-ion3 box . kdm loaded xmonad fine
13:15<fxiny>ion2 *
13:15<rubengonc>fxiny, yeah i used kdm
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13:15<fxiny>rubengonc: lenny ?
13:15<rubengonc>yes
13:16<fxiny>rubengonc: xmonad is kde-gnome compatible according to home page
13:16<kasperl>I have a question about upgrading to lenny from etch. All the tutorials tell me to simply change etch to lenny in sources.list, but doing so makes aptitude crash after doing aptitude update; aptitude. It simply cannot resolve the conflicts, it slows the system to a crawl sometime after using 500MB RAM and 1GB Swap. Simply doing aptitude dist-upgrade will ask if it can use more time to find solutions to the conflicts, but will give up at the
13:16<fxiny>that is something i did not had a chance to check : running on kde or gnome
13:17<rubengonc>let me try again
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13:17<fxiny>when you back i'll push for screen :)
13:18<fxiny>kasperl: running gome ?
13:18<fxiny>gnome*
13:19<kasperl>Yes
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13:19<fxiny>i failed upograding form gnome , i bet is oo , i successfully upgraded from kde without oo
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13:20<fxiny>aptitude went a bit crazy , apt was better
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13:20<kasperl>So I'd have to use apt-get dist-upgrade? That tried to remove Gnome. Should I let it do that, and fix it afterwards with aptitude?
13:20<fxiny>rubengonc: running irssi ?
13:20<rubengonc>fxiny, no, why?
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13:21<rubengonc>fxiny, i am on xmonad
13:21<fxiny>rubengonc: beacuse i do . i alwasy run it on scree so when i check wm i detache it and i keep it on chan :)
13:21<rubengonc>fxiny, i dont use irc a lot, never had time to dig into irssi
13:22<chealer>kasperl: your message was truncated at "but will give up at the"
13:22<fxiny>rubengonc: oh you are on xmonad ? can you tell me how is ? i don't run lenny yet
13:22<rubengonc>well, it seems to work a bit different than other tiling wm i tried
13:23<fxiny>rubengonc: s/scree/screen
13:23<rubengonc>i need to read the docs
13:23<fxiny>rubengonc: yes it's different , good news it runs on lenny :)
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13:24<kasperl>Chealer: It will give up at the same point as just running aptitude. Or more specifically, I'll give up at that point
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13:25<rubengonc>fxiny, it seems to work pretty well
13:25<fxiny>kasperl: i have no idea ;: i tend to blame oo for the failed lenny upgrade cause i don't have it on kde but on gnome
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13:25<fxiny>rubengonc: i'm so glad it runs already fine on lenny
13:26<fxiny>rubengonc: maybe awesome will perform like xmonad in the future , i don't care too much about wmii
13:27<fxiny>i'm running wmii now
13:27<rubengonc>i just dont like the fact that, for example, the iceweasel downloads windows opens as big as the iceweael one...
13:27<rubengonc>maybe there is a way to change this?
13:28<fxiny>rubengonc: that is happening in xmonad now ?
13:28<rubengonc>yeap
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13:30<rubengonc>fxiny, gonna install dmenu
13:30<fxiny>oh yes
13:31<fxiny>rubengonc: xmonad can do xinerama , i don't have a double head box , but why not ?
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13:32<zarchne>davi: Well, I did not expect my computer to be restarted. How did it go?
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13:34<rubengonc>fxiny, i dont have one too
13:34<chealer>kasperl: did you do an aptitude upgrade; first?
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13:35<fxiny>rubengonc: nor i have a wide screen , but i will for sure
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13:36<rubengonc>fxiny, anyway i miss virtual desktops
13:36<rubengonc>to use pidgin for example
13:36<fxiny>rubengonc: and when i run wmii on etch i can tile horizontally emacs and paste from iceweasel pretty well
13:36<rubengonc>to have pidgin open in one virtual desktop, and the conversation window as well
13:37<fxiny>rubengonc: how can you miss such a thing ? . i do a plan m i set same tag to a pool ow winodws and voila' : more efficient :)
13:37<rubengonc>in my country everyone uses msn so i need to use pidgin:(
13:38<fxiny>rubengonc: i use irssi and bitlbee for msn yahoo icq gchat , if i use all of them : no :)
13:39<rubengonc>bitlbee?
13:39<fxiny>btw . today i realized bpo ppl fixed the yahoo messenger iussue on bitlbee
13:39<rubengonc>need to have a look on that
13:39<rubengonc>fxiny, hey, it seems like xmonad has 9 available workspaces
13:40<fxiny>rubengonc: yes , check out irssi first , then screen , run irssi in a screen session so you can log in a different wm without quitting channels
13:40<davi>zarchne, It worked and it is running right now. Thanks zarchne !
13:40<rubengonc>fxiny, thanks for the tips:)
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13:40<zarchne>davi: cool.
13:40<davi>zarchne, I am now on another battle, coding a little for gnuherds.org with a friend
13:41<fxiny>rubengonc: is not perfect i know , like dwm and awesome damned virual destops numbers : it seems a price to pay aìro a good reason to learn haskell or whatever :)
13:41<zarchne>("Of course I've heard of gnu.") I probably don't want to know.
13:42<rubengonc>fxiny, yeah
13:44<kasperl>chealer: I've always first edited /etc/apt/sources.list, then run either apt-get update or aptitude update, and then either apt-get dis-upgrade, aptitude dist-upgrade or aptitude
13:44<rubengonc>fxiny, weird it opens konsole instead of xterm
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13:45<fxiny>rubengonc: yes , it calls the default terminal . edit conf
13:45<rubengonc>fxiny, xmonad conf?
13:45<fxiny>rubengonc: i use mrxvt
13:46<fxiny>rubengonc: can't remeber atm about xmonad
13:46<fxiny>they are all the same
13:46<rubengonc>fxiny, xmonad website suggests rxvt-unicode
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13:46<chealer>kasperl: but what about aptitude upgrade?
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13:47<kurumin>#comercio
13:47<rubengonc>fxiny, did you heard about vimperator?
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13:48<fxiny>rubengonc: firefox extension ?
13:48<rubengonc>yes
13:48-!-echelon [~echelon@ool-182cc7a4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
13:48<echelon>Hi
13:49<echelon>i'm trying to install this..
13:49<echelon>ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mumble/mumble_1.1.4-2_i386.deb
13:49<echelon>but it says libasound2 is a dependency
13:49<fxiny>rubengonc: check ~/.xmonad/xmonad.hs
13:49<echelon>but i already have libasound2
13:49<fxiny>rubengonc: vimperator idea is good , never used it
13:49<echelon>i'm running etch
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13:50<kasperl>chealer: The correct order would be then edit the files, aptitde update, aptitude upgrade, aptitude dist-upgrade?
13:50<kasperl>Should I be worried if any of those want to delete gnome or somesuch?
13:51<rubengonc>fxiny, it seems like i dont have xmonad config file
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13:51<fxiny>rubengonc: i welcome some shortcuts standardization like wmmi for example
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13:52<fxiny>rubengonc: i have a kde box , i spend time changing on the wmii style . i dislike kde style
13:52<echelon>hello?
13:53<fxiny>rubengonc: i dont' have xmonad installed anymore , still an ~/.xmonad dir shows me some terminal entry in xmonad.hs
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13:54<fxiny>rubengonc: that was a backoprted xmonad , good to try it
13:54<Master_TuX>hi, i m don't speak english, so aim need help en spanish please anywere speak spanish contactume
13:54<rubengonc>fxiny, it seems i need to create one...reading the docs
13:55<MotoHoss>hmm is is me or http://packages.debian.org/ down?
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13:57<echelon>hello?
13:57<fxiny>MotoHoss: it's you >> 64 bytes from puccini.debian.org (87.106.4.56): icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=60.7 ms
13:57<echelon>MotoHoss: it's been down for a week
13:58<echelon>fike: just because it pings doesn't mean the server is running
13:58<fxiny>puccini rock&roll : where's my Mozart.debian.org ?
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14:00<fxiny>echelon: you are right , it seems down . who better then you knows it ? :)
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14:01<rubengonc>fxiny, it seems lime xmonad handles pop up windows the right way :)
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14:01<kasperl>chealer: thanks, this seems more likely to work now, I'll try installing what aptitude update wants.
14:02<abrotman>echelon: it hasn't been down for a week
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14:03<fxiny>rubengonc: good news : as soon as i get the damned wide screen i'll move to lenny
14:04<rubengonc>fxiny, i use a lenny/unstable mix and it works really well
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14:04<fxiny>abrotman: so is it up ?
14:04<abrotman>no .. but it was two days ago
14:04<the-me>echelon, it's depending on a newer version of libasound2 - this version is for testing und unstable, not stable
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14:05<echos>Hi ;)
14:05<fxiny>abrotman: it answer to pings
14:05<echelon>the-me: how do i fix it?
14:05<abrotman>fxiny: that's nice .. it's broken now
14:05<echelon>the-me: how do i get the test version?
14:06<the-me>echelon, no way, you've to wait until lenny is released. you can't use mumble atm with debian etch
14:06<the-me>(too old qt4 version, too)
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14:06<fxiny>which is bad cause if its down should not answer , i use to check if sites are up before launching wget and having a gazillions of wget pid half dead
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14:06<echelon>the-me: can't i just install libasound2?
14:07<fxiny>abrotman: yes , pretty broken
14:07<the-me>echelon, it wont work, that's the reason why we didn't created backports for etch of mumble
14:07<bigh26>Is lenny frozen now?
14:07<the-me>bigh26, no
14:07<MotoHoss>fxiny : sure takes along time from here... 5 mins
14:07<the-me>just essential
14:07<bigh26>the-me: Will it be frozen soon?
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14:08<echelon>i'm glad i never installed debian
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14:08<echelon>i'm just helping out a friend
14:08<overlordzzzz>hehh
14:08<overlordzzzz><3 debian
14:09<fxiny>MotoHoss: 5 mins ? for a ping ? 60.7 ms here
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14:10<MotoHoss>no to load a page...
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14:10*MotoHoss doens't like his isp anyway...
14:10<rubengonc>echelon, so, what do you use?
14:10-!-slaxz [~slaxz@p54B46C6C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
14:10<echelon>slackware
14:11<rubengonc>not bad
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14:11<dwon>!slackware
14:11<dpkg>i heard slackware is a distribution made by Patrick. See ##slackware, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/slackware.jpg
14:12<binary>lol
14:12<fxiny>all the way to rivendell :P
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14:13<overlordzzzz>lmfao
14:13<fxiny>i can desecrate almost everything but abrotman restaurant
14:14<fxiny>that is for the slack-rivendell shot
14:14*binary laughs in the face of dpkg
14:14<binary>http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/debian.jpg
14:14<overlordzzzz>haha
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14:15<dwon>I'm a fan of this one: http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2996/pmeo9hcjp7aw9.jpg
14:15<fxiny>seen ? i don't do jokes on fries :)
14:16<binary>lol
14:16<binary>I used to use slackware
14:16<binary>for a long time
14:16<fxiny>i have good slackware friends
14:16<binary>it's okay
14:16<binary>but then you buy a new laptop
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14:16<binary>and its a pain its virtually impossible to get things working the way you want them to
14:17<binary>plus I got pretty sick of GSB and dropline
14:17<binary>Patrick kinda killed it when they got rid of gnome
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14:17<fxiny>so you gate your new lap and you decide to blow it up by installing gentoo on it :P
14:17<fxiny>hate*
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14:17<binary>lol
14:18<binary>Don't talk to me about gentoo
14:18<dwon>dammit. I just searched Google for "slackwhere". totally inadvertently
14:18*binary bangs head on desk
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14:18<dwon>binary: two words: Monster cables.
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14:19<binary>dwon: ?
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14:19<dwon>(describing gentoo)
14:19<fxiny>one reads : "re slackwhere or maybe debian" :P
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14:20<binary>dwon: Sorry, I don't see what it has to do with Monster Cables
14:20<binary>dwon: Could be because I don't know what Monster Cables are
14:20<binary>dwon: :-P
14:20<overlordzzzz>lol
14:21<overlordzzzz>debian is my friend, its doing a great job as my router
14:21<binary>yeah
14:21<binary>I've used debian for our router for years
14:21<overlordzzzz>even got the ugly upnp working for microsoft krap
14:22<binary>ewww
14:22<overlordzzzz>yewah
14:22<overlordzzzz>eww is right
14:22<overlordzzzz>but i need it
14:22<binary>lol
14:22<binary>fair enough
14:22<overlordzzzz>xbox 360 man
14:22<overlordzzzz>lol
14:22<binary>lol
14:23<overlordzzzz>im working on setting it up to use multipath gateway
14:23<overlordzzzz>got dsl hooked up yesterday
14:23<binary>cool
14:23<overlordzzzz>already had cable before that
14:23<overlordzzzz>both 7mbit
14:23<binary>sweet
14:23<binary>we just have one 2mbit
14:23<binary>:-(
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14:23<overlordzzzz>aww
14:23<binary>it's not even broadband anymore
14:23<overlordzzzz>LOL
14:24<overlordzzzz>torrents should go nicely when im done
14:24<dwon>binary: Monster cables tend to be sold like this: http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp (that one's actually by Denon, but it's the same idea: overpriced cables---bought mainly be Audiophiles---that work primarily due to the placebo effect)
14:24<binary>yeah
14:24<overlordzzzz>should be be able to suck the full 14mbit
14:24<rubengonc>fxiny, got help in #xmonad for the config file... =)
14:24<overlordzzzz>denon makes great audio equipment
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14:25<overlordzzzz>but cat5e is cat5e man
14:25<binary>lol
14:25<binary>WTF
14:25<dwon>binary: http://www.google.com/search?q=monster+cables+snake+oil
14:25<overlordzzzz>lol
14:25<binary>who pays $499 for a Cat 5 cable
14:25<binary>?
14:25<dwon>it's a 1.5 m Cat 5 cable
14:25<dwon>binary: but it's ULTRA PREMIUM!
14:25<overlordzzzz>it must be made of fucking gold
14:26<overlordzzzz>haha
14:26<dwon>it will "bring out all the nuances in digital audio reproduction from any of our Denon DVD players with the Denon Link feature"
14:26<dwon>"Additionally, signal directional markings are provided for optimum signal transfer. "
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14:26<fxiny>rubengonc: :)
14:27<dwon>overlordzzzz: "Made from high purity copper wire and high performance connection parts"
14:27<dwon>apparently it's for people who have never heard the phrase "bit error rate"
14:27<overlordzzzz>buy a crimper
14:27<binary>What the heck are these people smoking?
14:27<overlordzzzz>and some cable
14:27<overlordzzzz>lol
14:27<binary>How can the people buying these cables still afford their drugs?
14:27<fxiny>hahah the 499 rip off ? hahahah
14:28<overlordzzzz>hahaha
14:28<fxiny>was it on wired or ./ ?
14:28<dwon>fxiny: I saw it on /.
14:28<binary>the 499?
14:28<fxiny>dwon: that's it
14:28<overlordzzzz>lol
14:28<overlordzzzz>too much
14:29<overlordzzzz>i never thought id see a 499$ ethernet cable
14:29<overlordzzzz>shit
14:29<binary>lol
14:29<overlordzzzz>inflation much?
14:29<binary>holy shit
14:29<binary>its 1.5m
14:29<binary>ROFL
14:29<overlordzzzz>oh ya were still using real copper
14:29<overlordzzzz>almost pure
14:29<overlordzzzz>now give us your leg
14:29<overlordzzzz>arm too
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14:30<overlordzzzz>kthx
14:30<Vantage13>can anyone tell me what the smart error "190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel" means?
14:30<binary>lol
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14:30<fxiny>copper ? that is made out of a mercurian meteorite :P
14:30<overlordzzzz>lol
14:31<overlordzzzz>yay i must get to this router config soon
14:31<overlordzzzz>got me a 24 port switch now
14:31<abrotman>!ot
14:31<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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14:37<Bx`>hi where can i get a list of password for unixcod and how do i install them to test my network
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14:38<Bx`>anyone?
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14:39<abrotman>passwords bah
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14:41<dwon>what's unixcod?
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14:42<dwon>apt-cache search unixcod turns up nothing useful
14:42<sward>sounds fishy
14:42<overlordzzzz>a unix finish
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14:42<overlordzzzz>fishy*
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14:43<abrotman>well i was going to ask but he left quickly
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14:51<dwon>http://marcroger.com/hacking/review-unixcod/
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16:09<kasperl>I'm having some trouble upgrading etch to lenny. I've done the changes in /etc/apt/sources.list, ran aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; aptitude dist-upgrade
16:10<kasperl>Everything went ok until the last bit, aptitude kept looking for solutions to the found conflicts
16:10<kasperl>It took longer then it took me to run 14km, so when I got back I killed the thing (I'm no proper athlete, btw, it took its time)
16:11<kasperl>Any idea on how to properly upgrade the rest of my packages? And is it safe to reboot now, with aptitude upgrade done, but without dist-uograde?
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16:11<Helel>hello everybody
16:11<Helel>I tried to configure postfix on my host
16:12<Helel>and i need to send to everybody
16:12<Helel>but my config doesn't permit that
16:12<Helel>how i need to read before reconfigure it ?
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16:13<comfortably_numb>hi
16:13<Helel>ciao :)
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16:13<comfortably_numb>ciao Helel
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16:14<comfortably_numb>does someone know how to get .bashrc executed at GDM login?
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16:14<comfortably_numb>(I don't use gnome, just gdm + fluxbox)
16:14<Helel>edita .xinitrc :)
16:14<stupidhandle>ls
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16:15<Helel>aggiungi un alias e un load
16:15<Helel>per il bashrc
16:15<Helel>oppure
16:15<Helel>metti il bashrc che vuoi
16:15<stupidhandle>hi. i'm trying to untar a .tar.gz
16:15<Helel>chattr +ais .bashrc
16:15<Helel>e non verrà mai deletato o modificato :)
16:15<stupidhandle>nm
16:16<comfortably_numb>load?
16:16<Helel>fa la cosa più semplice
16:16<Helel>metti il .bashrc nella tua homedir
16:16<Helel>e dagli come attributi
16:16<Helel>+isa
16:16<Helel>cioé fai chattr +ias .bashrc
16:16<Helel>così permarrà sempre
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16:17<comfortably_numb>ma non mi interessa che permanga, mi interessa che venga eseguito
16:17<comfortably_numb>come accade loggando da un tty
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16:17<Helel>allora aggiungi un alias sul .xinitrc
16:17<Helel>no ?
16:18<comfortably_numb>non ti seguo...
16:18<Helel>allora
16:18<Helel>editi il .xinitrc
16:19<Helel>e fai in modo che lo carichi in automatico insieme al gdm :)
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16:19<comfortably_numb>e come si fa?
16:20<comfortably_numb>mi sembra di aver già provato ad aggiungere ". ~/.bashrc" a .xinitrc, senza successo
16:20<Helel>aggiungi un load
16:20<Helel>inziiale
16:20<Helel>load ~/.bashrc
16:20<Nagata>hi all, my amd64-4800(939) crashed, i'm planning to get build a new system, how a Phenom 9850 is going under Debian, & the GPU, ATI or NV? any sugestion?
16:21<comfortably_numb>in .xinitrc?
16:21<comfortably_numb>ma esiste il comando load?
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16:21<comfortably_numb>o è di qualche shell particolare?
16:21<comfortably_numb>o intendevi "source ~/.bashrc"?
16:22<dwon>Nagata: ATI is going to be much better in the long run, since AMD is actually releasing proper documentation (and free drivers) now. However, support for new ATI chipsets is currently a bit shaky, because this only happened when AMD acquired ATI, which wasn't too long ago.
16:23<dwon>Nagata: A lot of people will recommend NV right now, because their drivers actually work. Well, except when they don't, because they're big, ugly, proprietary blobs that developers (outside NVIDIA) don't care about.
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16:24<comfortably_numb>dwon, are they going to release free drivers also for old radeon chipsets which currently only proprietary fglrx supports?
16:25<comfortably_numb>or does it just apply to new chipsets?
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16:25<dwon>Nagata: Personally, if you're talking about on-board video chipsets, I'd probably buy a motherboard with a cheap nvidia chipset, and buy a new ATI card in 6-18 months when the free drivers mature. (Well, I personally wouldn't buy nvidia, but that's mostly out of spite.)
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16:26<dwon>comfortably_numb: no idea.
16:26<Furvy>Is anyone else having trouble accessing packages.debian.org?
16:26<comfortably_numb>Furvy: seems down here too
16:26<Furvy>At least im not nuts :)
16:26<dwon>comfortably_numb: it might not be hard for people to reverse-engineer the older radeon chipsets. We'll have FLOSS drivers for _really_ old ATI chipsets, and FLOSS drivers (and specs!) for newer chipsets, so it might not be too hard to interpolate. :)
16:27<Furvy>Any information on when it might be accessible again?
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16:29<dwon>Furvy: it's working for me, though it does take a while to respond
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16:30<dwon>I wonder if they set apt-listbugs to install by default yet. That might put a load on the servers. :)
16:30<dwon>IIRC, there was talk about it on debian-devel
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16:31<dwon>s/listbugs/listchanges
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16:32<Nagata-2>dwon, i allways used NV by the reason U mention. about Phenom is running fine? (sorry for leave out of room, i'm in a web based client (java) under Win)
16:32<dwon>I don't know about the Phenom, specifically. I'm not even sure about what that is, really. I assume it's a motherboard?
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16:33<Furvy>Its a processor name from AMD
16:33<Nagata-2>Y
16:33<Nagata-2>quad cores, & Triple cores
16:35<dwon>I'm not sure why an x86 processor revision would need special support from the OS. I'd be more worried about a lack of support for some chipset on the motherboard than about the processor.
16:35<kasperl>Is there any FAQ on upgrading from etch to lenny, if things go wrong at aptitude dist-upgrade by aptitude taking to long to find out a solution for conflicts?
16:36<dwon>kasperl: If aptitude can't figure out how to resolve conflicts, it might be because the archive is broken. That happens from time to time.
16:36<dwon>!tell kasperl -about etch->lenny
16:37<Nagata-2>the CPU is fine, but the news MBs have news chipsets!
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16:37<kasperl>Dwon: I did what that told me, it just takes forever once I get to aptitude dist-upgrade?
16:37<dwon>kasperl: see the part about looking on debian-devel-announce
16:37<Nagata-2>news CPUs need news chipsets
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16:38<dwon>kasperl: if you don't see anything, try emailing debian-user
16:38<dsl>checking wether build environment is sane... configure: error: newly created file is older than distributed files! Check your system clock
16:38<dsl>is there any way to fix this? ^^^
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16:38<dwon>kasperl: from what I can tell, you're doing the right thing. It just seems broken. :)
16:39<kasperl>Dwon: What am I looking for? Something big and in all caps, or something weeks old?
16:39<kasperl>IS it safe to reboot in the current state, btw?
16:39<dwon>kasperl: run aptitude with no parameters. what packages are actually broken?
16:39<dwon>kasperl: is the bootloader installed? kernel packages?
16:40<dwon>kasperl: In any case, I'd recommend burning a KNOPPIX disc before you reboot.
16:41<kasperl>I'll check, but I think I have a bootloader and a working kernell. Didn't see a kernel update message anyways.
16:41<dsl>is there any way for me to FORCE this compile?
16:41<dwon>kasperl: What kernel version did etch have?
16:41<dwon>before you upgraded?
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16:41<kasperl>Ehhh, not sure, actually.
16:42<kasperl>And running aptitude results in 100% cpu usage directly, I can't view the conflicts by pressing e, it's still trying to resolve
16:42<dwon>IIRC, the big changes are 2.4->2.6 (you need module-init-tools and a whole bunch of other packages), and when upgrading past 2.6.15 (you need udev, not the devfs stuff)
16:42<dwon>just press "b", I think
16:42<dwon>it should bring you to the first broken package
16:43<dsl>?
16:43<kasperl>It only shows some libraries, libgnutls, libjava, libgpod, some more libs, xwine
16:44<kasperl>libwxgtk2
16:44<kasperl>Anything essential in there?
16:44<dwon>not for booting, I don't think (depending on what's in "some more libs").
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16:45<dwon>dsl: Is this with module-assistant?
16:45<kasperl>Anyway to get an easy list outputted? My system doesn't like aptitude filling all the RAM
16:45<dwon>dsl: you could try "m-a clean" first (after fixing your system clock, of course)
16:45<dwon>kasperl: dpkg -l /rc
16:45<dwon>kerneld: ignore that
16:46<kasperl>libldap, libcurl3-gnutls, libsasl2
16:46<kasperl>That's all
16:46<dwon>kasperl: dpkg -l | grep '^[^ir]'
16:47<dwon>kerneld: sorry, I meant kasperl
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16:47<dsl>dwon: no. i'm compiling from source.
16:47<dsl>my clock is correct
16:47<dwon>dsl: compiling what from source?
16:47<kasperl>Dwon: That last line, with GREP, isn't showing anything
16:48<kasperl>And dpkg -l /rc outputs "No packages found matching rc"
16:49<kasperl>And dpkg -l /rc outputs "No packages found matching /rc", actually
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16:50<dwon>kasperl: the "dpkg -l /rc" was just me typing "/rc" in the wrong window. If the one with grep doesn't show any packages, it probably means nothing _currently_ installed is broken. Just make sure you have your bootloader (grub or lilo) and your kernel packages installed, and make sure you have something you can boot from (and get to the web/IRC) if things are hosed when you boot, and you should be fine.
16:51<kasperl>ok, that's all in place
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16:51<dwon>kasperl: you can also make sure that the latest "udev" package is installed, if you want
16:51<dsl>dwon: tor
16:51<kasperl>So I should search the devel mailing lists for "broken", and then mail the users mailing list?
16:51<kasperl>udev?
16:51<dsl>dwon: i'm running a 2.4 kernel so i'm compiling from source
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16:52<kasperl>O yjoml O
16:52<kasperl>Err, sorry, wrong home row
16:52<dwon>dsl: run "make clean" or "make distclean" ? That doesn't sound like a Debian-specific question.
16:52<kasperl>I think I've got udev installed already, so that should be ok
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16:54<dwon>dsl: or, if it's a Debian package you're building, try "fakeroot debian/rules clean"
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17:19<binary>hey stemount^
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17:19<stemount^>hi
17:19<binary>stemount^: what are you doing here?
17:19<stemount^>just being a slave
17:19<stemount^>:)
17:19<binary>lol
17:20<stemount^>nah, I'm just idling to see if there is anything that is relevant to my interests
17:20<binary>cool
17:20<stemount^>:)
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17:53<Guest1142>hey
17:54<Guest1142>how do I get read and write with fat16 files with command lines ?
17:55<Guest1142>hey there ß
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18:04<dwon>Guest1142: Use the "mount" command?
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18:06<Guest1142>yea I know dwon but on my eeePC it does it automatic
18:06<Guest1142>and it pisses me off that its not automatic
18:06<dwon>what's automatic? where's this fat16 filesystem? A USB stick?
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18:07<Guest1142>eeepc mounts it automatic but not in an execute mode - I am trying to make an sd card executable
18:08<Guest1142>for backtrack
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18:10<dwon>well if you just want to take an existing mountpoint and make it executable, do something like: "mount /path/to/mountpoint -o remount,exec"
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18:12<dwon>"man mount" pretty much has everything you need to know as far as mounting stuff manually from the command line goes.
18:13<dwon>For USB sticks, I use the "usbmount" package. Apparently you can also use "hal" and "pmount", according to the description of usbmount, though I've never tried it.
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18:15<dwon>I think the question you're trying to get answered is: How can I make Debian automatically mount an SD card whenever one is inserted? Also, how can I make it mount without the "noexec" option"?
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18:16<Guest1142>yes thats it
18:16<Guest1142>its actually backtrack I am talking about
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18:16<Guest1142>but i figur out the guys on debian are the most knowledgable
18:16<gizmokaka>hi, i have 4 giga of memory on my pc
18:16<Guest1142>is it a eeePC ?
18:17<Guest1142>lool
18:17<gizmokaka>yet I can only see 3631936 of mem, in meminfo
18:17<gizmokaka>free,
18:17<gizmokaka>or system monitor.
18:17<dwon>Guest1142: From backtrack's website, it's based on Slackware, so I'm not sure that answers you get for Debian would be useful on Backtrack.
18:17<gizmokaka>does debian have the same problem as windows xp to use more then 3.5 of ram?
18:18<dwon>Guest1142: If you had asked about a USB stick, I'd have said, "run aptitude install usbmount". That wouldn't help you for Slackware.
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18:18<dwon>gizmokaka: more than 3.5... what? 3.5 GiB? which problem?
18:19<Guest1142>dwon - thx
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18:19<dwon>Guest1142: no problem :)
18:20<dwon>gizmokaka: oh, never mind. I missed what you said before
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18:20<gizmokaka>dwon: so, why is that?
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18:20<dwon>gizmokaka: I think the basic problem is PC architecture. I think the PCI memory maps and whatnot end up going there.
18:21<gizmokaka>don't understand your statement, sorry,
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18:21<dwon>gizmokaka: let's see if I can find an article about it
18:21<gizmokaka>could you explan it a bit further? please?
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18:21<gizmokaka>good, thanks
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18:22<gizmokaka>I can see that 32 bit OS have a restriction of 4GiB
18:22<gizmokaka>it's address space thingy
18:23<gizmokaka>but why only 3.6 is showing? that is what's odd
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18:26<dwon>http://www.interact-sw.co.uk/iangblog/2005/08/05/is3gbenough
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18:29<Nathan_>is packages.debian.org down?
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18:29<Woet>is there a simple command to show total bandwidth?
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18:31<dwon>gizmokaka: so it depends on your motherboard, it seems
18:32<dwon>gizmokaka: there might be ways of coercing Linux into seeing the memory, if it's accessible to the CPU but for some reason isn't seeing it already, but if the CPU can't access it due to the design of the motherboard, you're screwed.
18:32<dwon>Woet: total bandwidth of what?
18:32<Woet>nvm
18:32<Woet>got it
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18:33<Ganneff>Nathan_: no
18:33<dwon>Nathan_: people were asking earlier if p.d.o was down, and it wasn't for me, but it seems to be now. I suspect it's just inaccessible in some parts of the world.
18:34<Nathan_>ahh ok thanks, just making sure its not just me
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18:35<gizmokaka>so, how do i know in which of the situations i am ?
18:35<gizmokaka>dwon: ?
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18:37<Ganneff>its a little slow right now
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18:37<johns>so, I'm trying to do a netinstall of Lenny but it seems to be having trouble with my sata
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18:38<johns>I'm getting sata1.00:...frozen errors
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18:40<johns>I've tried a few images, but I'm currently trying the debian-LennyBeta2-ia64-netinst.iso
18:40<dwon>gizmokaka: Do some searching about your particular motherboard (and perhaps the phrase "missing RAM") on Google.
18:40<gizmokaka>wow, it's nice to see, everything i learned is understood :)
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18:41<gizmokaka>it's not related to a specific Mobo architecture
18:41<dwon>gizmokaka: If that turns up nothing, assume the RAM _does_ exist and try to find _some_ software that can recognize it. memtest86+ might work.
18:41<gizmokaka>it's just that part of the available memory is given to hardware adress space
18:42<qq>gizmokaka, for that your kernel need that >>> CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y
18:42<gizmokaka>therefor not all is available as memory, therefor it doesn't show up as memory
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18:42<gizmokaka>qq: what is that?
18:42<dwon>gizmokaka: right, but it's possible that your mobo actually maps the extra RAM above the hardware address space.
18:42<dwon>but it also might not
18:43<gizmokaka>:)
18:43<gizmokaka>how do i tell the kernel CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y?
18:43<dwon>gizmokaka: also, if your mobo _does_ map all of your RAM, your kernel needs special support for accessing the other 4 bits. That's what CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is about
18:43<gizmokaka>what is that ?
18:43<dwon>gizmokaka: it's a compile option
18:44<gizmokaka>but it's already compiled i guess, you say i should recompile it?
18:44<gizmokaka>by hand >
18:44<gizmokaka>?
18:44<dwon>gizmokaka: check your /boot/config-`uname -r`
18:44<dwon>on my machine, CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is already set (the other options are CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM and CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G)
18:46<gizmokaka>it's set to yes also
18:47<gizmokaka>the HighMem64 is not set and remarked
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18:47<keratacon>I'm having trouble connecting to certain wireless networks that use ascii passwords.
18:48<dwon>gizmokaka: http://www.promethos.org/lxr/http/source/arch/i386/Kconfig#L401
18:49<keratacon>Is there something special to be done with the interfaces file or iwconfig for an access point that looks something like essid: library password: library?
18:50<themill>keratacon: specify the password with iwconfig eth1 key s:library (where eth1 is your wireless device)
18:51<keratacon>themill: that doesn't seem to work
18:52<themill>keratacon: see "man 8 iwconfig" for what that means. Also see "man 7 wireless" for how to integrate that into your /etc/network/interfaces file.
18:52<gizmokaka>dwon: thanks for the link, but in order to set the kernel configuration do i have to recompile it with the option?
18:52<gizmokaka>or can i change a running kernel?
18:52<dwon>gizmokaka: you would, but it looks like your kernel already has that option set, so no.
18:53<dwon>s/would/would have to recompile it/
18:53<dwon>so don't bother
18:53<themill>keratacon: If your wireless card is supported by networkmanager, then that's the easiest approach. (Anyway, bed time for me now; good luck with it!)
18:53<keratacon>thanks
18:53<dwon>CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is for people with between 1 and 4 GiB of RAM, which is pretty common these days, so Debian ships kernels with it enabled by default
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18:55<gizmokaka>yeh, that i understand, i am asking it not specifically but for common knowledge
18:55<gizmokaka>for every option i want to change, need i recompile the kernel?
18:55<gizmokaka>handedly?
18:56<gizmokaka>sorry, saw now what you replied
18:56<gizmokaka>yeh, sure I don't need if it's already there
18:56<gizmokaka>great, thanks for your help
18:56<gizmokaka>:)
18:56<gizmokaka>good night for now
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18:57<keratacon>so does anyone else know why iwconfig & dhclient (or ifup with a correspondingly configured interfaces file) wouldn't connect to a network with an ascii password?
18:57<keratacon>i'm prepending the password string with s:
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19:13<ad2000>is there a way to get debian to rescan for the sources as it does during the install
19:15<dwon>ad2000: like, from a CD?
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19:15<dwon>ad2000: for that, use "apt-cdrom add"
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19:16<ad2000>no from the system, I tought there was an apt command sould do it
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19:16<dwon>apt-get update? I'm not sure what you mean about "rescan for the sources"
19:17<ad2000>create a new sources list as some repositries are down
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19:18<ad2000>sources.list*
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19:20<dwon>ad2000: you could use netselect-apt, or just see http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and edit /etc/apt/sources.list by hand
19:20<dwon>then run "aptitude update"
19:20<ad2000>OK thanks
19:21<personman>anyone having problems with firefox 3 refusing to load any pages whatsoever?
19:22<personman>!firefox3
19:23<personman>every other browser on my system works fine, including 2
19:24<personman>brb
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20:03<dwon>noflash: I steadfastly agree
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20:09<johns>I have an iso file named install.iso on this usb stick, but the installer boots and starts but says it can't find the iso.. any suggestions?
20:10<johns>I tried dropping to console and mounting the iso also
20:10<johns>it mounts fine from busybox
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20:15<VTommy>hello guys
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20:15<VTommy>got a problem with pure-ftpd-mysql won't authenticate me anyone can point me in right direction?
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20:20<VTommy>anyone can help me with pure-ftpd-mysql?
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20:22<VTommy>anyone alive?
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20:35<peppe>sera a tutti!
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