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00:25<Mike2>Anyone else having troubles with nvidia-glx on sid?
00:26<Mike2> nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 but it is not installable
00:26<personman>try module-assistant get nvidia-kernel-source
00:27<personman>then module-assistant build nvidia-kernel-source, i think
00:27<Mike2>I can build the module from source, its just the glx piece thats being difficult.
00:28<Mike2>Built the module from this version. nvidia-kernel-source 173.14.09-1
00:28<personman>did you make it a debian package and install it?
00:28<Mike2>No, should I? =)
00:28<personman>yes, the module-assistant should handle it
00:29<personman>just did this earlier today hehe
00:29<Mike2>I see, I'll have a go at that. :)
00:29<personman>cool, good luck!
00:30<Mike2>Its the only thing thats not solid atm for me on Sid, almost thinking unstable is a mislableling. hehe
00:31<personman>i'm running lenny pinned, with some stuff from experimental, like kde4, seems to be working pretty smoothly, course this is a reinstall after i rendered my system unuseable earlier
00:31<Mike2>heh :)
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00:32<Mike2>I installed Sid over top of Vista, and I'm happy about that choice so far.
00:32<personman>but don't worry, it wasn;t with the nvidia drivers hehe
00:32<personman>excellent
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00:33<Guns|inger>Çäðàâñòâóéòå
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00:34<Guns|inger>ïîñîâåòóéòå ïîæàëóéñòà ÷òî äåëàòü åñëè íå çàïóñêàþòñÿ èêñû íà 4îì ÀÌÄ64 äåáèàíå, âèäåîêàðòà 8600GTS íà 512
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00:37<Mike2>looks like module-assistant may have done the job, will find out shortly. :P
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00:45<Mike2>@personman thanks, the worked beautifully nvidia drivers all working again now. :)
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01:30<VTommy>hello guys
01:31<VTommy>anyone can help me with pure-ftp-mysql ? with dtc can't seems to make it work
01:35<Guns|inger>sorry guys, could u please tell me how to install driver to my videocard (8600GTS)
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01:45<myownlittlworld>python-paster question: when I attempt to run paster, the /usr/bin/paster file can't find the paster.script module even if I explicitly add the paster directory to sys.path. any guesses as to what might be wrong?
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02:42<Guns|inger>guys, could u please tell me why not work X on my videocard (8600GTS)
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02:54<Zylvain>plop
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03:04<mason_>Hey, is there a way I can set up something like a telnet or SSH?
03:04<mason_>so i can connect to the comp with debian on it from somewhere else
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03:05<cahoot>looking for openssh-server?
03:05<suiside>mason_: install openssh-server and if you want it to be always started at boot add it to the default runlevel
03:06<pabs>anyone know how to hook up the multimedia buttons (mute, volume up/down) on the front of my laptop directly to alsa, bypassing Xorg?
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03:07<suiside>mason_: it's adviced to disable root logins from sshd_config though if the machine accepts incoming connections past your firewall
03:08<mason_>how do i add stuff to the default runlevel?
03:09<cahoot>man update-rc.d, you probalbly want to install debian refrence
03:09<suiside>mason_: read man update-rc.d
03:09<cahoot>reference
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03:14<snogglethorpe>gee, this Guns|inger guy just has no luck...
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03:36<fxiny>hmmm : found a way to crack root pass on my spare box : by carefully inspecting a fairly thick dirt layer on most used keys . very very easy;)
03:38<fxiny>cheap keyboards can show pass in a week or two
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03:39<fxiny>and brand new in minutes :P
03:39<cahoot>low-tech keylogger
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03:40<fxiny>cahoot: a brand new keybord is the best troian ever
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03:40<fxiny>next 007 james tont movie director will hire me :P
03:42<weasel>james tont sounds like a cheap pr0n star
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03:42<fxiny>i bet is failry possible count fingetprints are on a one day keyboard , during night shift :P
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03:49<fxiny>weasel: yes , james tont the pr0n star breaks in and grabs the one day keyboard . Money Penny will decode it later ;)
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03:50<fxiny>very easy
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03:51<fxiny>now think about brand new encrypted laptops ...
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03:53<Tonny>Someone speaks Portuguese here?
03:54<cahoot>!br
03:54<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
03:54<Tonny>dpkg: humm, sorry
03:54<dpkg>Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again...
03:56<fxiny>so we have a don dpkg colleone :P
03:57<cahoot>nicknamed 'purge'
03:57<fxiny>heheehe
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04:00*fxiny puts togheter a "fxiny attack" paper
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04:11<carlos>holas
04:11<carlos>alguien pro aca para ayudarme en una duda??
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04:13<p_quarles>!es
04:13<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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04:33<enouf>fxiny: james tont? haha ..
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04:34<fxiny>enouf: :D
04:35<enouf>no porbs here fxiny :-p
04:35<fxiny>enouf: yeahhh no porbs ;)
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04:36<Tuplad>can I somehow report a bug in a program ?
04:36<Tuplad>I've noticed a spelling error
04:37<enouf>use reportbug or reportbug-ng
04:37<Tuplad>I downloaded the source, but no Russian lang file was found
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04:43<Tuplad>enouf: that's a great tool
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04:43<enouf>Tuplad: sure is ;-)
04:43<Tuplad>enouf: but now I've got a problem, I cant start the program where I had found the spelling mistake
04:43<Tuplad>enouf: it's update-notifier, but it only appears in tray when there are updates
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04:44<enouf>Tuplad: hrm ..
04:44<enouf>Tuplad: /msg dpkg bts ..see if there's already a bug reported
04:45<Tuplad>enouf: it isnt
04:45<Tuplad>but I found it already
04:46<Tuplad>I typed it down in GNU nano, but what do I do ? the vim look-a-like thing
04:46<enouf>Tuplad: so, hrm, can you launch the app from an xterm?
04:46<enouf>so you have nano open?
04:46<Tuplad>yes and I typed everything down
04:46<Tuplad>it's that thing from reportbug
04:46<enouf>ok, and?
04:46<Tuplad>I had to write what's up
04:46<Tuplad>what to do once I'm finished?
04:46<enouf>so save the file, atleast as a copy
04:47<Tuplad>ok
04:47<enouf>you're supposed to upload it / mail it, but reportbug-ng helps if your mailing system for internet isn't setup
04:48<Tuplad>"SMTP send failure: SMTP AUTH extension not supported by server."
04:48<Tuplad>-_-"
04:48<Tuplad>it asked for my smtp password
04:48<Tuplad>can I upload it manually?
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04:49<Tuplad>enouf: cant find reportbug-ng in aptitude ;( doesnt start either
04:49<syc>greeting,
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04:51<enouf>Tuplad: ahh .. maybe not avail for etch .. or only in sid, sorry
04:51<Tuplad>:)
04:51<enouf>!info reportbug-ng lenny
04:51<Tuplad>but what to do about the sending ?
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04:51<syc>i've installed debian etch on my acer aspire 2920z, but its wifi doesn't work. Anyone can help me ?
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04:52<syc>sory, my english is bad. :)
04:52<enouf>Tuplad: well, you could just send a mail to bugs.debian.org .i forget tehe exact address, but make sure you file it under correct pkgname
04:52<enouf>well, not that important, but try
04:53<cahoot>syc: you have to find out what wifi device/chipset you have
04:53<Tuplad>enouf: alright, thanks :)
04:53<enouf>syc: you have a debian question? we tolerate non-native english speakers - depending ;-)
04:53<cahoot>syc: lspci -v might help
04:53<enouf>oh , i missed the question syc , my apologies
04:53<syc>just a second
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04:54<syc>enouf : its 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5787M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02)
04:54<enouf>hrm, looks like a newer bcm thingy
04:55<syc>is that the device ?
04:55<cahoot>not wifi
04:55<enouf>ok
04:55<enouf>right, that one's not wifi
04:55<enouf>try looking for Wireless
04:55<cahoot>syc: that's ethernet not wofo
04:55<enouf>woof!
04:55<cahoot>heh
04:55<syc>owh
04:55<syc>sorry guys, im a linux newbie
04:55<syc>i realy need advice
04:55<syc>:)
04:56<enouf>syc: it's fine .. ;-)
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04:56<syc>so, thats not the device ?
04:56<cahoot>no thats' for cable
04:56<cahoot>well - wire
04:56<syc>owh,
04:57<syc>wait, i'll paste the lspci output to pastebin
04:57<blarson>Tuplad: mail to submit@bugs.debian.org first line in body should be Package: packagename.
04:57<Tuplad>blarson: wonderful, thanks
04:57<Tuplad>and I should just mail that file
04:57<Tuplad>or the contents in it ?
04:57<Tuplad> /tmp/reportbug-update-notifier-20080622-3955-NbNMfG
04:57<Tuplad>reportbug created it for me
04:59<blarson>If you have a reportbug report, you can use that as the body of your report, not as an attachment or html mail. Package: and Version: lines should be first in the body.
05:00<Tuplad>roger that
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05:03<syc>enouf, cahoot : this is the output http://rafb.net/p/t6N6P042.html
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05:03<syc>enouf, cahoot ; which one is the device ?
05:03<cahoot>BCM4310
05:04<gsimmons>syc: Ouch, Broadcom USB. You'll need to use ndiswrapper.
05:04<gsimmons>!tell syc -about ndiswrapper
05:04<syc>im using 2.6.18-6-686 , what can i do to make it works ?
05:05<syc>owh.
05:06<syc>i've tried ndiswrapper and its still doesnt work
05:06<syc>i'll try it again, maybe someone can assist me
05:07<syc>im using this file, bcmwl5.inf
05:07<syc>taken from the Driver cd
05:08<syc>!ndiswrapper one-liner
05:08<dpkg>it has been said that ndiswrapper one-liner is aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper
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05:11<syc>ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf, is it right ?
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05:13<syc>now i got an error message
05:13<syc>bcmwl5 driver installed, hardware (14E4:432C) present
05:13<cahoot>doesn't look like error
05:14<syc>modules.ndiswrapper invalid driver!
05:14<syc>its said so
05:15<syc>what does it means ?
05:17*enouf was afk, just got back .. no idea, never used ndiscrapper
05:18<enouf>you sure that's the correct .inf ? and do you need any -firmware installed?
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05:18<syc>firmware ?
05:19<syc>!tell syc -aboout firmware
05:19<syc>!tell syc -about firmware
05:19<enouf>syc: you can do "/msg dpkg <factoid>"
05:19<enouf>syc: you can do "/msg dpkg firmware" for example
05:20<syc>enouf : ic, thanks
05:20<enouf>syc: the '-' in the '-about' actually keeps the contents of factoid being displayed
05:20<syc>enouf : that inf is taken from the driver cd
05:20<enouf>syc: it's useful for those of us telling others about factoids
05:21<enouf>syc: might there be more than one .inf?
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05:21<syc>enouf : just that
05:21<syc>-rw-r--r-- 1 syc syc 614534 2007-11-08 08:31 bcmwl5.inf
05:22<enouf>syc: also, as an aside, ndiswrapper.sf.net might also have some info - but look in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> for other relevant docs, also man pages ;-)
05:22<syc>ic
05:22<syc>is there another way besides ndiswrapper ?
05:23<syc>what about the firmware, is it has to be installed also ?
05:24<enouf>!listvals bcm
05:24<dpkg>Factoid search of 'bcm' by value (15 of 16): b43 ;; b43-fwcutter ;; bcm4318 ;; bcm43xx ;; bcm43xx firmware ;; bcm43xx-fwcutter ;; bcm43xx-fwcutter etch ;; bcm43xx-fwcutter etch_r2 ;; bnx2 ;; broadcom ;; wg111v1 ;; wireless ;; wpc54g ;; wpc54gs ;; wpc54gv3.
05:27<enouf>syc: i have no idea if you need firmware, but i'd think so
05:27<gsimmons>enouf, syc: No, native drivers (if required) use binary firmware from the 'firmware-*' packages. ndiswrapper acquires this from within the installed NDIS driver.
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05:28<enouf>gsimmons: so he doesn't need the bcm43xx-fwcutter pkg?
05:29<gsimmons>enouf: No, it's not relevant to ndiswrapper.
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05:30<enouf>gsimmons: it's all gr33k to me .. ok, i see then
05:30<gsimmons>syc: You may want to try asking in #ndiswrapper on irc.freenode.net.
05:30<enouf>gsimmons: no wonder that .inf file he has is 650K O_o
05:30<syc>gsimmons : thanks brother,
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05:30<syc>enouf , thanks
05:31<enouf>syc: welcome
05:31<jMCg>Hello Happy People.
05:31<enouf>what's shakin peppy?
05:33<jMCg>I'm trying to pin down a version conflict. I built a package (monit from lenny, minor fix) and installed it dpkg -i, now when I apt-get update && apt-get upgrade it's being offered for install: http://dpaste.com/58151/ (dpkg -l monit, aptitude update && upgrade, apt-cache policy monit and /etc/apt/preferences)
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05:36<enouf>i'd pin lenny much lower, say 100 and raise etch to 990
05:38<jMCg>enouf: with 100 I get the same effect.
05:40<enouf>i said 100 and 990, not just 100 -- or maybe you want hold too .. "/msg dpkg hold" although ... maybe also 'aptitude install -f'
05:40<jMCg>enouf: monit is from lenny. I built the package myself. Why is aptitude trying to reinstall it -- the version number is the same.
05:41<enouf>were there any key-signing issues when you installed? maybe aptitude doesn't know about it b/c it wasn't 'signed' ? </guess>
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05:42<enouf>pastebin apt-cache policy and /etc/apt/sources.list please
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05:42<jMCg>enouf: did you look at my paste?
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05:43<jMCg>Ah. The entire.
05:44<jMCg>enouf: http://dpaste.com/58153/
05:46<anisometropie>iceweasel 3 was released 5 days ago, and is still not available on lenny !
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05:47<cahoot>baffling
05:47<enouf>jMCg: hrm (simulation only) try apt-get -s remove --purge monit=4.8.1-2.1 (or monit=1:4.8.1-2.1)
05:47<enouf>jMCg: i wonder if it's the security aspect trying to update/upgrade ...
05:48<jMCg>enouf: it's the same version number. Same release number. I only changed one .h file to Include a href=".."
05:49<jMCg>enouf: http://dpaste.com/58154/
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05:49<enouf>jMCg: i don't even use aptitude - maybe someone will come along who can help more .. i understand all that .. and you did use debian source i gather?
05:49<enouf>right .. so
05:50<jMCg>apt-get source monit -t testing ; cd monit-1*; vim http/cervlet.c; fakeroot debian/rules binary
05:50<enouf>apt-get remove --purge monit=1:4.8.1-2.1 (<-- i removed the -s) should remove the etch veersion
05:50<jMCg>enouf: it's the same with apt-get
05:50<jMCg>There is no Etch version installed.
05:51<jMCg>Well.. that sucked.
05:51<enouf>sure there is .. AFAICT .. lines 8 and on proves it, it's the older version
05:51<jMCg>I just killed my config.
05:52<jMCg>I hope the backup script safed it for me.
05:52<enouf>oh .. it want's to remove the newer version .. stupid thing
05:52<jMCg>Fuck.
05:52<enouf>Yes
05:53<jMCg>Also, the effect is the same.
05:53*jMCg checks for backups of the config....
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05:53<enouf>!confmiss
05:53<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
05:53<jMCg>YAY.
05:53<jMCg>I love backups.
05:55<jMCg>enouf: I meant: --purge killed my config.
05:55<jMCg>But thanks for the hint.
05:55<enouf>all i know, is pinning is tricky, but i've used it in the past, but not in a long while now - and maybeyou shoud've used the traditional bakcport methods to build
05:55<enouf>sorry about that - i misread it initiall
05:56<enouf>initially
05:56<enouf>!ssb
05:56<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
05:59<jMCg>That I did.
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06:01<jMCg>I didn't use apt-get to build, though. Because I modified the source, which results in checksum errors, of course.
06:02<lupine>jMCg: debian/patches
06:03<jMCg>...
06:03<lupine>.o.
06:03*jMCg bytes lupine
06:03<jMCg>I'm not gonna write hmm...
06:03<jMCg>Actually.. why not.
06:03<lupine>debian/patches is totally how you should be modifying the source code
06:04<lupine>it's not as though it's exactly hard
06:04<jMCg>I wanted to submit it as patch anyways :P
06:04<lupine>well, there you go. most of the work is already done. you just have to ensure that debian/rules deals with debian/patches correctly
06:04<lupine>(most do; especially CDBS/etc)
06:06<jMCg>So I have to potentially modify debian/rules, which makes the package inconsistent again, doesn't it?
06:07<lupine>not if you're doing it right
06:07<lupine>[modify debian/rules;] add the patch to debian/patches; update debian/changelog.
06:08<lupine>.orig.tar.gz remains the same
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06:10<jMCg>and in how far does that make a difference to dpkg -i?
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06:12<jMCg>None at all. I'd install it with dpkg -i again. and I'd come again to those policy problems.
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06:13<lupine>you're.... editing .deb files directly...?
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06:15<TBBle>jMCg: I'm not sure I'm following correctly, but the output at http://dpaste.com/58151/ looks entirely expected. apt considers the currently installed version of a package to be lower priority than one available via apt for the same version... So it tries to replace it.
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06:15<TBBle>What're you trying to do exactly?
06:16<enouf>JDC: i think what might be happening is by you using " apt-get source monit -t testing " you're pulling in Lenny's depends, rather than building lenny pkg using Etch depends
06:17<jMCg>Hmm... I modify changelog will that change the version?
06:17<TBBle>If you change the top version, or create a new entry, yes.
06:17<enouf>now, i'm a bit out of my league here ;-) .. so i'll let others chime away ;-)
06:18<TBBle>I take it you're trying to get your locally-built package to not be replaced with one from a server?
06:18<lupine>create a new entry :D
06:18<enouf>TBBle: yes, i believe you explain it correctly
06:18<jMCg>Nope.. I have to change control
06:18<TBBle>Are you rebuilding, or editing the deb file directly?
06:19<enouf>TBBle: he said; <jMCg> apt-get source monit -t testing ; cd monit-1*; vim http/cervlet.c; fakeroot debian/rules binary
06:19<TBBle>The version entry in the control file is generated from the changelog. No where else in the debian/ directory is the version needed or present.
06:19<TBBle>Then it should take the version number from the first line of the debian/changelog
06:20<jMCg>Ack.
06:20<TBBle>Either way, depending on what you want, holding might be better. If you're building a fix that should be in the next release, add a new changelog entry with currversion.LOCAL, and when a new version appears on the server, it'll be selected.
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06:20<jMCg>I am building.
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06:21<TBBle>If you're making a local change and you're going to have to rebuild every subsequent version of the package to include the change, hold the package, and apt will only tell you about it if your held version isn't the same as the latest version.
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06:24<maui_>someone know how i can build nvidia-glx (from sid) for etch?
06:24<maui_>my graphic cards are to new :(
06:24<TBBle>The dh_gencontrol entry in the debian/rules binary rule parses the debian/changelog for the version to use, unless overridden elsewhere in the rules.
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06:26<jMCg>Thanks guys.
06:27<lupine>maui_: well, I doubt the kernel module for the newest nVidia graphics cards would compile against an Etch kernel
06:27<maui_>its no etch kernel ;)
06:27<lupine>heh, fair enough
06:27<maui_>i've already built a new 2.6.25 kernel
06:27<maui_>and got nvidia-kernel-2.6.25
06:27<maui_>all i need is nvidia-glx
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06:34<pingouin>maui_: did you check the nvidia forum/linux how to compile for 2.6.25 kernel ?
06:35<maui_>is there something to be aware of?
06:35<pingouin>use the driver from nvidia.com, the other way...to painfull
06:35<maui_>in fact i got it to build...but it seems it is lacking libwfb
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06:35<maui_>can't use nvidia bin pkgs....i am preparing to install a lot of clients with fai
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06:36<pingouin>sorry to paste this kind of url on #debian, dont ban me please ;)
06:36<pingouin>http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=66260498c0a19c8c897462602c0a71c5&t=110088
06:37<pingouin>maui_: all i said is i need to play with my debian, and...the debian way and nvidia drivers allways been painfull for me, drivers from nvidia.com installed easily
06:37<pingouin>i know it's not 'spirit of debian' ...but...ETQW dont run without those drivers ;)
06:38<maui_>yeah... but fai (our automatic inst6all system) does only proper deb pkgs
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06:56<ansgar>maui_: FAI can run arbitray scripts, can't it? So it should be possible to install the nvidia binary packages.
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06:56<TBBle>maui_: libwfb is now provided by X in Debian/unstable, but I'm pretty sure it used to be built by the nvidia packages until recently. Check the changelogs and the rules, in case there's still stuff there but commented out.
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06:57<TBBle>Uh, by "built by the nvidia packages" I mean "packaged". Up until recently, nvidia were providing their own libwfb, recent driver can use the one in recent X. I dunno if it was X or nvidia who fixed that though.
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06:59<maui_>i've found libwfb in my build dir ;)
06:59<maui_>uick and dirty copy over ;)
06:59<maui_>it runs
06:59<TBBle>Hmm. Apparently X.org xserver 1.3 onwards provides a libwfb that should be used in preference.
07:00<maui_>that's of course missing in my etch ;)
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07:01<TBBle>I forget what version of X is in Etch. All my etch boxes are headless. ^_^
07:01<TBBle>nvidia-graphics-drivers (169.12-2) is where the maintainer removed the nvidia wfb install. So if you want a cleaner source package, steal the wfb stuff from that.
07:02<TBBle>Uh, before that.
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07:03<TBBle>169.12-3 finished removing the wfb stuff.
07:03<maui_>i got 173..
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07:03<maui_>but as I said that is no problem
07:03<maui_>i'll copy them over at install time
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07:13<TBBle>maui_: Yes, 173 is later than 169, so the removal of the wfb symlinking code in 169-12.2 and 160-12.3 would indeed still have effect in 173
07:13<maui_>ep
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07:19<ansgar>What is the difference between `owner' and `claim' in the Debian BTS?
07:19<dpastern>silly questions - i'm trying to install debian onto my new PC, and the marvell yukon gigabet ethernet onboard device isn't being detected...during the main install I didn't configure the network, which has resulted in /etc/apt/sources.list only having entries for the DVDs (amd64), I know there's a way to reconfigure the sources.list entries but I can't for the life of me remember how to
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07:20<dpastern>Ubuntu installed OK, but I got rid of it due to some issues with Ubuntus very poorly run forums
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07:21<lupine>dpastern: nano /etc/apt/sources.list ;)
07:22<gsimmons>!tell dpastern -about sources.list
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07:22<dpastern>yeah I know that, but I don't want to have to manually add teh damn lines, since I'm not sure exactly what they are
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07:23<gsimmons>dpastern: See dpkg's response, also sources.list(5). You can alternatively use tools such as apt-spy or netselect-apt to have one generated.
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07:24<dpastern>yeah, ta gsimmons
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07:24<dpastern>I know there used to be a way of doing it in an automated fashion, problem is it's been like 6 years since I last did that command and I can't for the life of me remember
07:25<gsimmons>dpastern: You might be thinking of "apt-setup". It has since been removed.
07:26<dpastern>the other issue is google searching for debian and marvell yukon doesn't inspire much confidence in me getting the onboard network device working, although strangely enough, I do have network access, odd
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07:26<dpastern>ah yes, that was it, apt-setup
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07:26<dpastern>why on Earth did they remove it, handy damn well thing
07:26<gsimmons>!tell dpastern -about apt-setup
07:27<dpastern>cool, ta
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07:28<dpastern>will reboot and have a play with it all...other thing, X is dead on this box, probably cos it's a 24" widescreen LCD, trying to get the nvidia drivers working, since nothing else seems to work (nv driver)...I did get it working with Ubuntu, but it involved envy (which doesn't seem to have a package in Debian), and nvidia-config, then nvidia-settings, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
07:28<dpastern>any suggestions?
07:29<dpastern>I still find it poor that Linux refuses to load any GUI, even Windows 95 would bloody well install at least a 640*480 256 colours GUI, which is far better than a console ;)
07:31<dpastern>2 hours fart assing around with this so far and it really doesn't impress me one iota, oh well, back to the console it is for me
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08:42<aikosan>how i can for change my setup for my screen? i want up my frequence sweep
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08:42<aikosan>someone can help me please
08:43<cahoot>does xrandr -q list any choices?
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08:51<aikosan>i don't find what i want with xrandr -q list
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08:54<ffws|hathe>aikosan: show output of xrandr -q on pastebin
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08:57<Fable>hello all, this may be a stupid question, but i have been using Arch linux for ages and now i have moved across to a simple debian install, but i dont know which file it is that shows me all the modules that start at boot?
08:57<cahoot>lsmod?
08:57<cahoot>or what do ypu really mean?
08:58<aikosan>i saw that "10 400 x 300 ( 339mm x 271mm ) 75 72 60" but i don't understant what's mean "72 60"
08:58<Fable>i mean how do i find out what modules run at boot
08:58<ffws|hathe>aikosan: show complete output here: http://paste.debian.net/
08:59<cahoot>Fable: modules loaded? lsmod
08:59<enouf>Fable: some are loaded from the initrd
08:59<Fable>ok thx
09:00<enouf>Fable: some you add to /etc/modules and the init system scans that file modprobe's them .. do "/msg dpkg bootlogd" enable that and see dmesg
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09:01<Fable>where is lsmod and initrd located?
09:01<enouf>whereis lsmod
09:01<aikosan>http://paste.debian.net/7182/ it's my show complete output
09:01<enouf>your initrds are in /boot
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09:01<enouf>along with the config-VERSION
09:02<cahoot>aikosan: so you run 1280x1024@75
09:02<cahoot>aikosan: what do you want to change to?
09:03<MotoHoss>do packages have to list all files installed on a system?
09:03<abrotman>they're supposed to .. but i dont think it actually happens
09:03<enouf>MotoHoss: no'
09:03<MotoHoss>rather 'all the files the package installs?
09:03<Fable>thx all
09:03<MotoHoss>is there a policy reference?
09:03<enouf>MotoHoss: some are created by the .postinst scripts, and friends
09:04<enouf>MotoHoss: yes, dpkg -L <pkgname>
09:04<enouf>well, wait, your question just got screwier
09:05<MotoHoss>dpkg -L failed to list all of the files for a package i installed....
09:05<dpkg>No packages found matching failed to list all of the files for a package i installed....
09:05<abrotman>how did it get screwier ?
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09:05<enouf>" 'all the files the package installs?" <-- wtf does that mean?
09:05<aikosan>i want to try " 1 1024 x 768"
09:06<aikosan>how i can change it? cahoot
09:06<MotoHoss>enouf : I understand for clarities sake the question. lemme ask again.
09:06<enouf>the pkg installs files, but scripts and debconf settings will generate new or config exisiting ones
09:06<cahoot>aikosan: try xrandr -o 1
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09:07<abrotman>MotoHoss: there are two files that contain the files a package installs ... but occasionally there are some files created by the installation process which are not in those two files
09:08<enouf>the pkg payload is listed .. if the installation of pkg requires making of other files, then it'll be done, and appear to belong to no pkg, but backtracking through .postinst files usually clues one in
09:08<MotoHoss>enouf: there's the rub. the package script put some files in place that aren't listed as owned by the package.
09:08<aikosan>i will try the next time i must to go thank you cahoot ^^
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09:09<enouf>MotoHoss: correct
09:09<MotoHoss>I had no idea they were there... and it took quite some time to track down the problem.
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09:11<maui_>where can i set which gdm theme to use?
09:11<maui_>i mean by setting some conf var
09:12<maui_>not via gdmsetup
09:12<enouf>MotoHoss: many people, such as even i don't like it .. but really, it's done that way b/c there really is no better way .. i forget the details and can't provide a perfect usage case offhand .. but
09:12<enouf>they exist for sure
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09:14<MotoHoss>enouf : ic. I agree. as a result of the install... I got them. now they're my problem whether I know abut them or not. ;-)
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09:16<MotoHoss>now I gotta see how to set my debconf settings properly so I see the debconf questions everytime.. to give me further clues as to what is really happening.
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09:17<jeffto>hello everybody
09:18<enouf>MotoHoss: easy .. one sec
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09:19<enouf>MotoHoss: well. 1st off, does /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf exist? (or any file named debconf there)
09:19<enouf>MotoHoss: also IIRC, you can dpkg-reconfigure debconf to set it how you like
09:21<jeffto>I have serius troubles with the ethernet network card of my dell 1420. I have recently installed Lenny but the Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5906M don't work, I don't know exactly what interfaces use because eth0 don't work
09:21<cahoot>ifconfig -a ?
09:22<jeffto>let me see
09:22<enouf>ls -l /sys/class/net/
09:23<cahoot>ip link
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09:24<MotoHoss>enouf : yes /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf exists.
09:25<enouf>MotoHoss: read it ;-)
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09:27<MotoHoss>enouf : I did.. only one line mentioning Pre-Configure.
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09:29<MotoHoss>enouf : http://paste.debian.net/7184
09:29<enouf>MotoHoss: kind of an important option to have set, when one expects see interaction during installation of pkgs
09:30<enouf>MotoHoss: yep
09:34<MotoHoss>enouf: i did ' dpkg-reconfigure -p low debconf' and settled that issue. thank you.
09:34*MotoHoss must now go and withdraw a bug report....
09:35*enouf waves ;-)
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09:40<disposable>is there any graphical ACL editor that doesn't bring half of gnome with it? (like eiciel)
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09:44<molo>hi. i'm trying to run some old binary-only software on lenny. it doesn't support NPTL, so I set LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.20, but it doesn't seem to be suported on glibc 2.7 as is in lenny. this worked on older glibc versions. are there any easily supportable workarounds?? are there some -compat packages i'm missing?
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09:49<molo>anyone?
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10:07<n>i can't boot deb to install by netinst
10:08<petemc>why not?
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10:08<n>say please check cd ro
10:08<n>rom
10:08<n>hmm intrigraty
10:08<n> or something
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10:10<abrotman>n: what speed did you burn the ISO?
10:10<n>max about 5x
10:10<n>50
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10:12<abrotman>n: try slower .. like 8x
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10:13<abrotman>n: some burners don't do a good job at high speed
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10:13<n>wo thanx
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10:14<sickmoocow>supp guys
10:14<n>u r on deb?
10:14<abrotman>n: also make sure you burn it as an image
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10:15<n>hey y i can't select the speed
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10:15<n>now i'm on ubuntu
10:16<n>wo an im.
10:16<cahoot>n wodim -speed 8 my.iso perhaps
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10:16<abrotman>you can select the speed
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10:23<enouf>n: you se m to be br akin up
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10:25<n>i don't understand enouf
10:26<enouf>"wo an im" <--is hardly speech :-P
10:26<cahoot>german?
10:27<n>an image
10:27<enouf>'ga ga goo goo' <-- universal :-P
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10:27<cahoot>not since the 70's
10:28<n>ga ga what's that mean?
10:28<n>sound fun 555
10:28<fxiny>enouf: that needs a full week of noisy TS soundrack training to decode it ;)
10:29<enouf>fxiny: maybe a session with the mayonnaise mop maintainers :-P
10:29<fxiny>enouf: heheheh , the cook is in , checking his assistant ;)
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10:29<enouf>ok .. me is going down for a nap :-) see ya (waves)
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10:36<sas67>hi
10:36<sas67>im using a debian server
10:36<sas67>i want to back up files with ftp
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10:36<sas67>have set an ftp account up with server owner
10:36<sas67>how do i connect thru ssh?
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10:37<sas67>i have pure-ftpd server on the server already
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10:37<sas67>do i need an ftp client installing so as to conect to other server
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10:39<molo>sas67: scp would probably be easiest. also, look at sftp. it is different than standard ftp which is not encrypted.
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10:40<sas67>so install sftp client on server?
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10:41<molo>the sftp client comes with the openssh client
10:42<molo>go read up on it.
10:42<molo>there's a lot of resources out there if you search
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10:58<Raven478>Why does javascript objects need to be so damn hard
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10:59<dwon>javascript objects are hard? I thought javascript _classes_ were hard.
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10:59<Raven478>Does javascript have classes?
10:59<dwon>not really, that's why they're hard
10:59<dwon>you can hack them
11:00<Raven478>haha well im stil learning javascript
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11:09<IceGuest_75>Hello friends. Is it possible to install GCC 4.3.1 on Debian Etch? If yes could you please point me to some manual?
11:11<themill>IceGuest_75: there are no debian packages for gcc 4.3.1 under etch. What are you trying to do?
11:11<IceGuest_75>I have some specific softvare that is realy unstable on my configuration.
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11:12<IceGuest_75>I mean core quad cpu
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11:13<IceGuest_75>My friends are telling that it is stable when -march=core2 used when compiled but there is no such march in gcc 4.1.3 :(
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11:15<IceGuest_75>So is it possible to compile gcc manualy or it will ruin my Debian?
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11:16<IceGuest_75>I always get different errors abuot some libs like libgcc and removeing libgcc1 is not possible becouse it lead to removeing of APT and so on
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11:18<themill>IceGuest_75: you don't want to try forcing a version from lenny/sid into your etch installation.
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11:20<abrotman>IceGuest_75: what software is it ?
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11:26<IceGuest_75>it is emulator os gameserver
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11:32<[0x41]>i have a problem with Debian, i just installed it, i boot up and the X server doesnt work and needs configuring apparently
11:33<themill>! doesn't work
11:33<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
11:33<[0x41]>lulz
11:33<[0x41]>well.
11:33<[0x41]>fails to start Xserver becuase it tells me it need to be configured, but i did that during installation
11:35<themill>[0x41]: etch? lenny? graphics card make/model?
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11:36<[0x41]>etch, nvidia
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11:36<[0x41]>not sure on the model, 128mb
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11:38<abrotman>lspci | grep VGA .. tell us
11:40<[0x41]>GeForce FX 5200
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11:43<[0x41]>any help?
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11:45<cahoot>!drxx
11:45<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
11:45<cahoot>can at least try that
11:46<themill>cahoot: does that card need a newer nv than in etch?
11:46<gsimmons>themill: Nope, it's supported by nv.
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11:46<themill>excellent.
11:47<blunt>i love debian
11:48<blunt>i managed to make it load balance my cable and dsl for my lan
11:48<blunt>woot
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11:48<[0x41]>cahoot. thanks alot man all fixed
11:48<personman>I cam in yesterday and mentioned I couldn;t get firefox 3 to work, the problem, in case anyone else runs in to it, is I was using a 32-bit version of firefox on an amd64 install, without lib32nss-mdns installed
11:49<personman>so it wouldn't pull up pages
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11:49<personman>works fine now
11:52<fxiny> fine ? fine as a bus , a firebus . it can't save properly many sourceforge pages
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11:52<fxiny>"source file could not be read" is the error
11:55<fxiny>going through google some suckzilla egg head said something on the line "just some nasty sites" , wt4x !
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12:00<sas67>hi
12:01<sas67>am now connectedto ftp server
12:01<sas67>how do i send in ssh?
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12:01<sas67>tried cp and it said invalid command
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12:02<m>test
12:02<themill>!wayttd sas67
12:02<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, sas67?
12:02<sas67>backup via ftp
12:03<sas67>in ssh(putty)
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12:03<sas67>am connected to the backup server
12:03<fxiny>real men do the nc dance :P
12:03<fxiny>go with ssh
12:03<sas67>but dont know how to transfer the files over
12:04<sas67>im using ssh
12:04<sas67>putty
12:04<fxiny>sas67: ssh putty ? is it a windoze box ?
12:04<abrotman>irrelevant
12:04<sas67>no,linux
12:04<sas67>etch
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12:05<sas67>all directories iant to transfer are in /home/torrents
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12:05<sas67>i want*
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12:05<abrotman>poor pirate can't figure out ftp :(
12:05<fxiny>heheheh
12:06<sas67>hmmm,your tone tells me you maybe not gonna help
12:06<sas67>*Laughs*
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12:06<sas67>i use ftp from server to home all the time
12:06<themill>sas67: You've already asked a couple of times and not got answers because no-one can work out what you are trying to do and what is not working for you. Can you please take the time to describe what you are doing in full sentences. Use a pastebin to show us error messages.
12:06<sas67>but server to backup server
12:07<sas67>ok
12:07<sas67>my server is owned by ovh
12:07<fxiny>is that a backup ? at least tell us you need hel with rsync
12:07*fxiny loads the rtfm answer
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12:08<sas67>thye have set an ftp account up on another server,for me to backup data so i can re-install debian etch
12:08<[0x41]>i need GTK+ 2.10 for FF3 .... it's not in apt-get, must i install this manually ?
12:09<fxiny>ftp ? checkout duplicity or lftp
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12:09<abrotman>FF3 isn't worth the hassle of backporting gtk
12:09<sas67>i have ftp client on my server and am connected to the backup server
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12:09<fxiny>abrotman: agree , i'm checking it on etch
12:09<sas67>but i dont know how to transfer files via ssh
12:10<[0x41]>abrotman, i like FF3
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12:10<abrotman>i like FF2 just as much
12:10<[0x41]>i don;t
12:10<cahoot>sas67: sftp?
12:10<[0x41]>that's why i asked
12:10<fxiny>imo if suckzilla cares about etch customers should ring bpo
12:10<sas67>tried the cp command and error was invalid command
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12:10<sas67>sorry,im using pure-ftpd
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12:11<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>abrotman: Testing has 2.10
12:11<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>err
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12:11<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>2.12
12:11<abrotman>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: that's nice .. he's asking about etch
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12:11<fxiny>like the firebus3 thrill ? you can install gtk on opt
12:12-!-mode/#debian [+l 366] by debhelper
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12:12<fxiny>i prefere iceweasel
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12:12<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>abrotman: he'll need to build gtk himself or wait until gtk gets updated for etch
12:12<abrotman>gtk won't get updated in etch
12:12<patrick> /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS
12:12<patrick>nice.
12:12<abrotman>unless maybe they do it with etchnhalf
12:13<fxiny>anyway it works on etch
12:14<valessio>/ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS
12:16<patrick>whee someone else loses at copy and paste
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12:48<eljefe>Can anyone help me with a reverse SSH tunnel syntax? I want my brother to run a command on his new Debian system whyich will allow me to connect in and modify his repos, etc. I am trying this but I never get a prompt for a password, so i think it is failing: "ssh -R 10022:localhost:22 -l username my.ip.add.ress" MY SSH is listening on 10022. Is this accurate?
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12:50<themill>dpkg: tell eljefe about multiple ask
12:50<eljefe>lol, aren't these different servers, with different users?
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12:52<ao2>eljefe, you could also make him run xterm remotely if you set up your box conveniently.
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13:08<you>holaaaa como estan?
13:09<Supaplex>!es
13:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:09<you>como estan debianista¡
13:09<you>heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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13:11<you>holaaa ana
13:11<you>como estas?
13:12*fxiny sends two aubergines to Supaplex
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13:24<DV8TioN>How much?
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13:24<DV8TioN>Oops, wrong window
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13:25<DV8TioN>Hello all. Any diea when KDE 4 will be out for Debian?
13:25<DV8TioN>idea
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13:27<nomad_cz>Hi. Where is 'liblzo1' for Debian Lenny ? :/ Seems to be in Etch and SID but not in Lenny.
13:27<cogwheel>nomad_cz, uhm... liblzo1?
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13:28<nomad_cz>cogwheel, package
13:28<cogwheel>uhm.. for me it seems liblzo1 exists in lenny
13:28<cogwheel>!info liblzo1 lenny
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13:28<cogwheel>hmm
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13:29<molo>hi. i'm trying to run some old binary-only software on lenny. it doesn't support NPTL, so I set LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.20, but it doesn't seem to be suported on glibc 2.7 as is in lenny. this worked on older glibc versions. are there any easily supportable workarounds?? are there some -compat packages i'm missing?
13:29<themill>!why is liblzo1 not in testing
13:29<dpkg>liblzo1 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=liblzo1
13:29<themill>nomad_cz: ^^
13:30<nomad_cz>themill: I see. Thank you.
13:30<dwon>molo: http://www.swanson.ukfsn.org/loki/ <-- this might work
13:30<IceGuest_75>Is it safe to update etch to lenny?
13:30<molo>dwon: thanks.
13:30<dwon>molo: I'd suggest keeping an copy of Debian (e.g. woody) around, and running it in VMware.
13:30<dwon>it seems as though there are very few people interested in the old binaries
13:31<Lethalman>IceGuest_75, i did it months ago and i'm still on lenny
13:31<molo>that is surpsising, since i thought it was glibc's policy to provide older API interfaces (since it is a versioned library)
13:32<molo>but thanks for the info. i appreciate it.
13:32<themill>IceGuest_75: perhaps. mrs themill uses lenny, I don't. /msg dpkg moving target
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13:34<dwon>molo: these days it's not just glibc. Loki developed a lot of libs that didn't really exist before (e.g. smpeg). During that time, software and techniques were different. People still used stuff like DGA, even. Not only did glibc break C++ compatibility, but other libs broke binary compatibility, too. Since most of the users and developers are only interested in FLOSS, ABIs tend to get broken.
13:35<IceGuest_75>I not afraid of lenny or sid I just afraid of something go wrong during update. I have core and initrd compiled to support SAS controler which is not supported in latest Linux cores. So will update make any changes on core and initrd or not?
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13:36<molo>dwon: yes, i am familar with the libgcc and libstdc++ incompatibilities. having binary-only programs is problematic all-around.
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13:36<molo>dwon: i think a chroot will work. its not ideal, but should at least work out okay. thanks for your help.
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13:39<dwon>molo: no problem. FYI: loki-compat doesn't need chroot
13:39<dwon>it uses LD_LIBRARY_PATH
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14:16<DV8TioN>Hello all. Any idea when KDE 4 will be out for Debian?
14:17<abrotman>!tell DV8TioN about kde4
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14:20<DV8TioN>thank you abrotman
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14:24<DV8TioN>!tell DV8TioN kopete
14:25<DV8TioN>hehe
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14:26<abrotman>DV8TioN: /msg dpkg kopete
14:26<DV8TioN>abrotman: Thank you once again
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14:26<cogwheel>!msg the bot | DV8TioN
14:27<cogwheel>!msg the bot
14:27<dpkg>rumour has it, msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database
14:27<themill>cogwheel: dpkg is an info bot not a supybot. It's "tell nick about factoid"; things like | and > don't work.
14:28<cogwheel>noticed that
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15:00<jimisrvrox>anybody know where theres some debian vid tuts or screencasts?
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15:05<path__>jimisrvrox, check it out on youtube
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15:06<jimisrvrox>yeah I was thinking about that but was thinking maybe there were some diff resources out there
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15:31<sajes>Is it just me, or is ntp not in the Lenny repositories anymore? I see openntpd though.
15:32<themill>!why is ntp not in teseting
15:32<dpkg>themill: what are you talking about?
15:32<themill>dpkg: fuck you
15:32<dpkg>no, fuck you
15:32<themill>!why is ntp not in testing
15:32<dpkg>ntp is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=ntp
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15:32<themill>sajes: ^^
15:32<sajes>themill: Heh, thanks :p
15:34<themill>sajes: I don't know why it was removed from testing in the first place though... that information doesn't seem to be there
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15:35<themill>sajes: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=448408
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15:37<sajes>themill: So I guess that means no time sync? openntpd doesn't seem to want to work for me.
15:38<themill>sajes: nfc. It might be possible to pull the package in from sid.
15:38<sajes>Also, openntpd has no manpage, and no --help. Yay for absent documentation.
15:38<themill>sajes: file bugs if they are not already filed. No binary in debian should be without at manpage.
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15:38<sajes>themill: I'll check for one.
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15:48<sajes>themill: There wasn't one, so I sent one in. Thanks for helping me ;)
15:48<themill>sajes: no worries. Have fun...
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15:52<OdyX>Hi.
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15:52<OdyX>How can I force a "re-detection" of my harddisks ?
15:53<blunt>reboot
15:53<OdyX>not possible without ?
15:53<Hydroxide>OdyX: what do you mean by re-detection?
15:54<OdyX>I mean, I "know" that the disc is there, but it is not in /dev
15:54<themill>OdyX: what sort of disk?
15:54<OdyX>SATA
15:54<Hydroxide>you could try running udevtrigger
15:54<OdyX>let's see
15:55<OdyX>package ?
15:55<Hydroxide>is this SATA-hotswap internal?
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15:55<Hydroxide>you should already have it if udev is installed (don't install it if it's not)
15:55<OdyX>true.
15:55<OdyX> /sbin ;)
15:55<Hydroxide>and needs root, too
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15:56<Hydroxide>anyway, if this is internal SATA hot swap and you're using kernel 2.6.18, it's too old to do that well in many cases, and a reboot will be needed. however you can try various invocations of scsiadd first since sometimes it'll work. (I forget what package that's in)
15:57<OdyX>OK.
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15:57<Hydroxide>a kernel from the backports repository would probably work better in that regard.
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15:57<OdyX>2.6.24-1 is enough ?
15:57<Hydroxide>or, actually, the etch-and-a-half kernel would be fine too
15:57<OdyX>;)
15:57<Hydroxide>yes, that should have fine SATA hot swap
15:57<SaintK>Hi, i am trying to compile a package, and i run into the following errors; http://pastebin.com/m28234469 - I thought having openssl and ssldev package should be able to deal with this errors, but it doesn't,. Any one know what im missing out on ?
15:58<Hydroxide>you still might need to use scsiadd with various arguments, not sure
15:58<Hydroxide>but no need to reboot if that's your kernel
15:58<patrick>debian supports openssl?
15:58*patrick hides
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15:58<themill>dpkg: lart patrick
15:58*dpkg duct-tapes patrick to the floor and drools on him
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15:59<SaintK>open ssl is in the repo's
15:59<themill>SaintK: what are you trying to compile?
15:59<SaintK>themill: Mumble
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16:00<themill>SaintK: are you aware that this is already packaged for debian?
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16:01<SaintK>themill: I am having issue's with the audio quality for 1.1.4, i am trying to build 1.1.5 from the SVN. Other then that, i was not aware that there was a debian package. All i could find were old 1.0 packages, so i compiled my own on 1.1.4
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16:02<themill>SaintK: There's a 1.1.4 for lenny and sid (but not etch). You could try backporting 1.1.4 from lenny/sid in any case (/msg dpkg ssb) or you could at least pick up all the build-dependencies with apt-get build-dep mumble (providing you have an appropriate deb-src line in your sources.list)
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16:03<SaintK>I am on Etch, which doesn;t have a build for Mumble, so it won't check the dependencies either
16:03<n-iCe>!es
16:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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16:04<n-iCe>(You will need to add non-free repository to /etc/apt/source.list) , how do I install the non-free repository?
16:04<SaintK>themill: Anyhow, 1.1.4 compiled correctly and its running, it just seem to have some sort of audio issue were at the start and end of a sentence you head a loud crackling noise. So thats why i headed off for the SVN version
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16:05<n-iCe>(You will need to add non-free repository to /etc/apt/source.list) , how do I install the non-free repository?
16:05<SaintK>As other pub servers with 1.1.4 don't seem to have the issue, its something related to our machine or setup
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16:05<themill>SaintK: You can still have a deb-src line to for sid to help pick up dependencies when you are running etch, but that doesn't sounds like it will help you here.
16:06<SaintK>themill: depends on if the dependencies will solve the errors with the Cert.cpp
16:06<SaintK>will have a look
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16:08<SaintK>E: Build-Depends dependency for mumble cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements
16:08<SaintK>themill: I've added the sid line, but it returns; E: Build-Depends dependency for mumble cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements
16:08<themill>you can ignore the debhelper error for this; that's just a utility to help with making debian packages.
16:09<SaintK>well, it doesn't do anything differant then giving this error
16:09<themill>(and there's a newer version in etch that people are switching to as it does much more automatically for a few common packaging methods)
16:09<themill>s/etch/sid/
16:09<themill>SaintK: it would seem not; if you can compile 1.1.4 already, then the build-deps don't help.
16:10<SaintK>themill: allright. any other suggestions? Because it seems to me its something to do with openssl, or am i looking in the wrong direction here?
16:10<themill>SaintK: In the lines before the ones you pastebinned, was there an error about an include file not being found? that normally precedes such errors
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16:10<SaintK>themill: No, i copied it from the exact line were the error started. Above it is only output from successfull steps
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16:11<themill>:(
16:12<SaintK>I have found one tread on the Mumble sourceforge page with a user experiancing the same issue way back in 2007. Unfortunatly no fix or hint has been posted there on how it was resolved
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16:13<themill>SaintK: the source code shouldn't use things that aren't #included (which would produce an error)...
16:13<n-iCe>can anyone help me with my video card? my resolution is not so good :|
16:13<SaintK>n-iCe: What brand is it ?
16:14<SaintK>themill: Unfortunatly it really doesn't show any include errors. I can copy the full thing if you want to have a look
16:14<SaintK>n-iCe: *videocard brand that is
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16:14<n-iCe>SaintK, , lspci, right?
16:15<bubshait>anyone know why iceweasel 3.0 final isn't out yet?
16:15<SaintK>lspci? doesn't mean anything to me, sorry :P
16:15<themill>SaintK: Do you have libssl0.9.8 included? That would be the only other place to look.
16:15<n-iCe>SaintK, is the command to see the brand?
16:15<themill>dpkg: tell bubshait about ff3
16:15<SaintK>n-iCe: I mean, do you know if you have nvidia, ati or something like it ?
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16:15<n-iCe>SaintK, is a intel
16:16<SaintK>themill: libssl0.9.8 is installed on the system
16:16<themill>n-iCe: can you give us the output of: lspci -nn | grep VGA
16:16<SaintK>n-iCe: Sorry, can't help you there then. Just knew a couple of good wiki's for ati/nvidia setups for debian
16:16<themill>SaintK: :(
16:16<n-iCe>SaintK, : 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
16:16<n-iCe>themill, 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
16:17<themill>n-iCe: that's not a video card, that's you're wireless card
16:17<n-iCe>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
16:17<n-iCe>00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Control ler (rev 03)
16:18<cogwheel>!paste
16:18<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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16:18<cogwheel>humm wait >-<
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16:18<bubshait>themill, I guessed as much, but they upgraded the package to rc2-2, which I thought was weird since they could have upgraded the package to final
16:19<themill>bubshait: there are still outstanding bugs in iw3; expect a version bump to somehting without rc in it when they are sorted
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16:19<bubshait>ok, fair enough, thanks
16:19<themill>n-iCe: can you give us: lspci -nn | grep VGA
16:19<Ewoth>How can i install libapache2-mod-auth-mysql to my system, my apt-get install libapache2-mod-auth-mysql tells me that package has no installation candidate. :
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16:20<themill>Ewoth: etch?
16:20<Ewoth>yep
16:21<themill>Ewoth: You're shit out of luck then. You could try a backport but I'm guessing it won't be that "simple"... but /msg dpkg simple sid backport
16:21<n-iCe>themill, sure: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a02] (rev 03)
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16:21<themill>n-iCe: OK... so that looks like a 965 chipset.
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16:22<themill>n-iCe: That's not supported very well under etch, but there is an etchnhalf driver out that should do it for you. Follow the links to the .deb for the intel driver from the etchnhald site in the wiki.
16:22<themill>dpkg: tell n-iCe about etchnhalf
16:23<themill>Ewoth: please keep your questions in the channel so that others can help you too. msg bots bot people.
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16:23<n-iCe>themill, what version should I download, from debian, then?
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16:24<themill>n-iCe: install debian etch and xorg as normal, but also install the driver package from http://people.debian.org/~jcristau/etchnhalf/
16:25<n-iCe>[ ] xserver-xorg-video-intel-dbg_2.2.1-1~etchnhalf1_i386.deb 15-Apr-2008 07:37 1.2M
16:25<n-iCe>that one?
16:25<themill>n-iCe: not the -dbg package, the other .deb there
16:25<n-iCe>ok
16:27<n-iCe>themill, done, now?
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16:29<n-iCe>themill?
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16:32<themill>n-iCe: once you've installed that package, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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16:33<n-iCe>how do I install it, is the question?
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16:33<n-iCe>it has three files to extract
16:34<themill>Ewoth: no, that package is not required for a "LAMP" stack. It's used for controlling access to webpages thorough apache using usernames/passwords that are stored in a database.
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16:34<themill>n-iCe: it should just be dpkg -i xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.2.1-1~etchnhalf1_i386.deb
16:35<SaintK>themill: i am looking into that Cert.cpp file, and there are 2 includes to start with; #include "Server.h" and #include "Meta.h", after that. it stars with 'int add_ext(X509 * crt, int nid, char *value) {' which is also the first error to display
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16:35<n-iCe>themill, ok, done, now dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
16:36<themill>n-iCe: yeah, that should do you. If you have an option, select "intel" not "i810"
16:36<n-iCe>it was "vesa"
16:36<SaintK>the weird thing is, the 1.1.4 file also has the same start of the cert.cpp file, and that one compiled propperly
16:36<n-iCe>and I don't see "Intel" themill
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16:37<n-iCe>themill, ok I found intell, now in name? do i leave it generic name??
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16:37<themill>n-iCe: the rest of it it should probably be ok with the defaults.
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16:38<themill>SaintK: ok, so that's quite weird. Unless the Server.h and Meta.h headers used to include something and now don't.
16:38<SaintK>k, gonna check them out
16:38<themill>SaintK: If you want to pastebin the entire output, I'll certainly have a look at it for you
16:38<SaintK>themill: Ok will do, sec
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16:38<n-iCe>themill, and in resolution???
16:39<n-iCe>can I choose all, themill to select the best?
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16:39<themill>n-iCe: probably... (I'm starting to get out of my depth here... this is stuff i do once every couple of years...)
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16:39<SaintK>themill: I just was able to successfully compile it on a differant machine, also a Debian Etch i386 setup. Can i savely just copy/past the compiled content ?
16:40<n-iCe>themill, should I log off?
16:40<themill>n-iCe: You'll have to restart X, so yes.
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16:41<themill>SaintK: yes, that should be OK. That's quite odd.. and points to a dependency not being installed...
16:42<n-iCe>themill, before restar, how can i Install my wireless?
16:42<themill>SaintK: There's a chance that you are missing a run-time dep in which case it will die on startup. But it will complain about a specific library not being installed.
16:42<SaintK>themill: That is indeed odd. It's just plain weird i cannot figure out which dependency it should be missing, but anyhow, its compiled now, so lets try 'n get it to run on the other box
16:42<n-iCe>themill, 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
16:42<SaintK>themill: Ok cool, testing time!
16:42<themill>n-iCe: one thing at a time... but /msg dpkg ipw3945
16:42<n-iCe>themill, and I need to install: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
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16:42<n-iCe> aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi , but says the package is not found
16:43<themill>n-iCe: no. You can't use iwlwifi with that kernel. You need ipw3945
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16:43<n-iCe>brb
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16:46<SaintK>themill: It's booting up and running correctly at the machine, but it hasn't solved my issue unfortunatly :(
16:47<themill>SaintK: bugger. Sounds like you need to talk to the upstream developers directly to see what they can recommend if you're running svn head and it has issues for you.
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16:47<SaintK>themill: Will do, thanks for all the help!
16:48<themill>SaintK: no worries. Good luck with it.
16:48<SaintK>thanks :) cya
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16:56<jimisrvrox>what media player can I get that will allow me to fast forward thru podcasts? I can do it with wmp but i want a linux mp to be able to do it bc ive heard parts of this episode but am not able to do it with my current media player.
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16:57<lupine>vlc?
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16:57<jimisrvrox>ahh yes I forgot about vlc for a minute
16:57<jimisrvrox>heh
16:59<chealer>jimisrvrox: I don't know podcasts, but are you sure that is relevant?
16:59<jimisrvrox>relevant to what?
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17:00<chealer>jimisrvrox: oh, OK, just forwarding in a stream. I remember kaffeine couldn't do that.
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17:26<Col_Kernel>Hi. Does anyone know of a music player that allows to control speed (preserving pitch) on-the-fly? Audacity requires preprocessing and works only if the music is not playing (and audacity is not really a music player). Noatun restarts the playback from the beginning on every change.
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17:36<PetaWindows>Col_Kernel: with VLC you can control speed of a movie, but with an audio track... no idea..
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17:48<kurumin>ola
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18:08<kostix>I'm trying to set up cdebootstrap chroot for testing:
18:08<kostix>cdebootstrap testing /var/tmp/lenny/
18:08<kostix>it fetches the Release and Release.gpg files, parses them then says:
18:08<kostix>E: Unknown suite lenny
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18:13<kostix>what's the message size limit here? I tried to post message of 5 short lines and was kicked
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18:13<abrotman>!paste
18:13<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
18:13<kostix>thanks
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18:18<Col_Kernel>PetaWindows: thanks, I will give it a try
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18:21<client>hi, is there a ati room i can go in for some help?
18:21<kostix>I'm trying to create a cdebootstrap chroot for testing in etch, and get this: http://paste.debian.net/7277/
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18:22<abrotman>client: there is #ati on freenode
18:22<client>thanks abrotman...
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18:22<kostix>changing suite from "testing" to "lenny" gives the same error. how to fix?
18:22<san>hi all. i have a question about hcid (bluetooth daemon). I have a laptop without bluetooth, but this daemon is started on startup. The man says that it also provides D-BUS messaging capabilities. May i disable the daemon without problem? (please scuse my bad english)
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18:23<abrotman>kostix: can we see your sources.list ?
18:24<kostix>abrotman: ah, I need to have testing repos in it (I don't)?
18:24<abrotman>i'd guess
18:25<moot_>clean install. if i select for [ ]Desktop Environment to be installed does that mean Gnome? i can just install this later, right?
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18:25<abrotman>moot_: it depends .. but likely .. and yes you can use tasksel later if you want
18:25<kostix>san: AFAIK, dbus messaging is provided by dbus daemon itself
18:26<moot_>abrotman: i just want to have a console to work from to begin with. and aptitude or some package manager installed so i can go from there.
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18:26<themill>!install kde
18:26<dpkg>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall
18:26<san>kostix: thanks, i have dbus on startup so, no problem.
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18:27<abrotman>moot_: then just leave it ... don't use tasksel .. install stuff with aptitude later .. though you probably want the Standard pacakges
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18:27<moot_>abrotman: kthx
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18:30<moot_>what's the default network configuration tool for debian? is it dhcpcd?
18:31<abrotman>the interfaces file ..
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18:35<san>i am trying to minimize memotry footprint because i am on a PIII with 64M ram. So i want to disable any daemon that isn't esential. I only installed the Base System of Lenny and []Laptop. I think i want to disable ACPI services and modules (because i only plug the CD-ROM once a while). which file should i edit to modify the services initialized on startup? (i'm new to debian)
18:36<moot_>san: /etc/init.d/rc.d
18:36<kostix>hm, it works for sid while I don't have it on my sources.list, puzzling...
18:37<san>moot_: thanks man.
18:37<moot_>that was wrong
18:37<moot_>sry
18:38<kostix>san: in fact you'd better target X. for instance don't use gnome or kde
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18:38<abrotman>san: did you install acpid ?
18:38<san>kostix: yeah...i am using fluxbox only
18:38<moot_>fluxbox doesn't use X?
18:39<san>yes.... but sometimes i want to use X...
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18:40<san>abrotman: not manualy, but i installed from a BussinesCard image from a CD-ROM
18:40<abrotman>okay .. and ?
18:40<san>realy i dont understand your question...sory
18:40<moot_>brb
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18:46<san>abrotman: maybe the installer installed acpid without asking to me. like sshd....why it is initialized by default when you only install it?
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18:46<abrotman>san: if you don't want it .. dont' install it
18:47<san>abrotman: i want to use it only when i want to do it. realy dont know why it is in the init script automatically.
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18:47<abrotman>acpi isnt' really something that "you only use when you want to
18:47<abrotman>"
18:48<san>i should read about acpi...i thought it was for the Cd-rom
18:49<san>ahh....i am wrong
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18:49<san>Advanced Configuration and Power Interface
18:50<san>if it isn't in the base system it was installed becayse i seleced []Laptop in the installation
18:51<kostix>san: you can do something like `dpkg -S /usr/sbin/acpid` to see what package installed it then try to do `apt-get remove that_package`. but be careful so that it won't remove some important stuff by dependency
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18:52<san>kostix: thanks i will do that...because my battery is stalled....so i dont think that i will be usefull
18:53<san>kostix: it was installed "because itself"
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18:55<kostix>san: on the other hand most daemons are inactive anyway (you can look at it using htop for instance and will see that only ~ 1 process is running in a otherwise idle system), so that the kernel will anyway flush those daemons to swap so that your memory is used for good
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19:00<san>kostix: good point. but swaping here is another bad thing.... the HD is old, small, and slow. The realy cause of why i am doing it is that i want to learn. i think i will learn more width few things installed and install it manualy, edit the init script to launch it when i want..etc
19:00<san>kostix: what do you think?
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19:02<kostix>why not? anyway when you try to remove something essential apt will warn you, so go on and try ;)
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19:04<san>kostix: :)
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19:06<EmleyMoor>How do I allow whitelisting of a forwarder (so that SPF does not fail) in exim?
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19:31<client>can someone help me set up my xorg so the svideo works? i can see my extended desktop but i get those the vertrefresh isn't working.
19:31<client>i have it set to 60 which works under xp, i've tried changing all sorts of things
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20:29<dsl>i'm used to using netcardconfig to obtain a dhcp ip. is there an equivalent command in debian?
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20:32<dsl>nm
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20:39<blunt>dsl
20:39<blunt>dhclient
20:39<blunt>;)
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20:49<you>holaaaa
20:50<abrotman>!es
20:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:54<you>no hablan??
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20:55<abrotman>you: va a #debian-es
20:55*abrotman has horrible spanish skills
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20:56<blunt>does anyone know if advanced routing flag is on in the default etch kernel?
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20:59<you>holaaaa??
21:00<anibal>you, visita #debian-es
21:00<abrotman>you: /join #debian-es
21:00<anibal>you, este canal es en ingles
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21:02*themill notes that we've been through this today several times already with the same user
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22:22<looseefur>yes, um, I need some help with installing debian
22:22<clipper>what's the problem?
22:22<looseefur>Well I don't know which CD image to download
22:22<clipper>ftw? lucifer?!
22:22<looseefur>I don't know the architecture of my comp
22:22*clipper hides
22:22<SharkMa-san>download the x86 then
22:22<looseefur>How do I know that'll work?
22:22<SharkMa-san>it should work, unless you have a mac
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22:23<looseefur>Alright, then how come I'm not seeing it?
22:23-!-leo is now known as leoventura
22:23<SharkMa-san>not seeing it?
22:23<looseefur>I see this
22:23<looseefur>[alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] [source] [multi-arch]
22:23<clipper>sigh
22:23<SharkMa-san>i386
22:24<clipper>we're going to be seeing alot more of you...
22:24<SharkMa-san>it's the same as x86
22:24<looseefur>Wow, I feel so welcome clipper.
22:24<looseefur>I'm new to linux, alright? My friend reccomended debian.
22:24<clipper>i'll turn up the heat for you
22:24<clipper>:)
22:24<SharkMa-san>clipper: do you know how annoying it is when you ask for help and people have this kind of attitude
22:25<looseefur>alrihgt
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22:25<clipper>devil. be gone
22:25<SharkMa-san>the one reasons open source is not so popular is because the support simply just sucks
22:26<SharkMa-san>it's not bad here, but on many channels people just tell you to read the humongous manual and stfu
22:27<clipper>if he's getting into linux and wants to be spoonfed on irc he better get used to it. shrug
22:27<clipper>exactly
22:27<SharkMa-san>here, people usually at least point what should be read on the manual or help out
22:28<SharkMa-san>but I've heard stories on how bad freebsd channel is lol
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22:31<clipper>yeah. i remember trying to figure out the package manager for freebsd. made the mistake of jumping on irc.
22:31<clipper>never did that again.
22:32<SharkMa-san>I was on #ubuntu, but it was just flood
22:32<SharkMa-san>people asking quite stupid questions, and many trying to instruct
22:32<SharkMa-san>and when I asked something a bit more advanced, no one cared
22:32<clipper>yeah. ubuntu us like linux for everyone
22:33<clipper>not a bad place to start. i have a cd here i use sometimes
22:33<clipper>is the audience listening?
22:33<SharkMa-san>well, I use kubuntu
22:33<clipper>oops! wrong window
22:33<SharkMa-san>lol
22:34<SharkMa-san>but google is usually better than irc, and #debian is better than #ubuntu
22:35<SharkMa-san>I would use debian, but I just simply hate the faggotry with iceweasel etc.
22:35<SharkMa-san>lol
22:36<esop>dirty little weasel!
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22:50<hachi>on a debian machine, is there an easy way to keep install image files up to date for netboot of other machines?
22:50<hachi>like a debian package that contains the necessary install images for serving via tftp and nfs?
22:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 325] by debhelper
22:53<hachi>also, there used to be (a long while ago) a link to the testing installer images on the netboot page... but I don't see it
22:53<hachi>isn't there still a debian testing installer project?
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23:04<blarson>hachi: #debian-boot is the installer channel. You can get daily, weekly and beta snapshots of the installer.
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23:05<hachi>thanks
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23:05<hachi>is this information linked from some part of the debian installer stuff? I'm likely to forget it again in 6 months
23:05<hachi>hoping to give myself more chance to find it on my own
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23:12<blarson>hachi: yes, but I have to hunt up the testing installer pages every time I want to try it. I can never remember the URL.
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23:13<hachi>okay
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23:18<hachi>trying to set up netboot shouldn't be this hard
23:22<famelix>BOA NOITE
23:23<famelix>ALGUEM PODERIA ME AJUDA NA INSTALÇÃO DO AMSN
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23:52<hachi>okay, the gtk installer is pretty cute
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