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00:03<clipper>i want to prevent a process from running at startup. i see it in /etc/init.d .
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00:04<hachi>clipper: see update-rc.d
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00:05<clipper>yeah. i ran "update-rc.d -f tor remove"
00:05<clipper>i think it worked
00:06<hachi>should have
00:08<san>hi, i am trying to install a "custom livetex", using the minimall hard disk space. I am not a guru of Tex or Latex. I am trying to make it width aptitude but because i break some dependencies i dont know what to do. None of the sugestions is what i am trying to do...what should i do? maybe i am doing something wrong? (newbe here)
00:08<san>(texlive not livetex)
00:10<hachi>I'm trying to get grub to work on a drive I have here, I've already had debian linux booting on the machine
00:11<hachi>grub-install /dev/sda, and reboot, system claims there's no boot sector on the drive
00:11<hachi>can't figure out a way to debug this at all
00:11<clipper>sda? flash drive?
00:11<clipper>usb?
00:12<hachi>SATA disk
00:12<hachi>if I use the debian installer, somehow it installs grub so it works
00:12<hachi>if I try to install grub myself (which I need to do in this case) then it doesn't
00:14<hachi>I can't even get stage1 to run
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00:19<san>ohh...i figured it changing the preferences of aptitude...thanks anyway
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00:24<hachi>the 'grub2' package seems to be a dummy package to help wit a transitional upgrade
00:24<hachi>however... I don't see another grub2 package to actually install grub2
00:24<san>...it did't make it....i want to install a package with unresolved dependencies....what shoul i do?
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00:33<gsimmons>hachi: It's in the 'grub-pc' package (for all ports execept powerpc), which the 'grub2' package depends upon.
00:34<hachi>ooops, dangit, I missed the depends line
00:35<hachi>how do you set up efi partitions in debian?
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00:46<spartacus>can anyone give me some advice with partions? I want to maintain my windows xp system for the time being and set up debian on a seperate partition. Can someone recommend a good program for resizing my current partition and adding a new one? Also, have people run into problems doing this?
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00:47<SuperDale>spartacus: take a look at the gparted live cd: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
00:48<spartacus>will do, thanks
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00:52<artur_>Hello. Just a doubt. Could i clear the ' /lost+found ' contents?
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00:57<blarson>artur_: delete the files from it, but you should not delete the directory.
00:58<artur_>blarson: ok thnx
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01:03<hachi>gonna try booting grub2 off a usb stick
01:03<hachi>maybe that will at least let me boot
01:05<hachi>nope
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01:21<hachi>anyone using a modern intel motherboard like DQ35JOE? I can't get grub to work on it for nothing
01:22<hachi>can't find anything with google... like nobody else is having this issue, can't boot off usb key
01:23<jm_>I have a modern motherboard based on intel chipset, but it's not mad by Intel if that helps
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01:28<hachi>but what chipset?
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01:28<jm_>P35
01:29<hachi>hurrr
01:29<hachi>and grub just happily works in any and all cases?
01:29<jm_>well I only installed grub once and then grub2 and both worked without problems - what error do you get?
01:30<hachi>no error
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01:30<hachi>just doesn't boot
01:30<hachi>claims there's no bootable partition on the disk
01:30<hachi>I can't boot off usb key either
01:30<jm_>what is the exact message?
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01:31<jm_>Operating system missing? or somesuch
01:31<jm_>or is it Missing operating system? I forgot
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01:31<hachi>no, no
01:31<hachi>I have to disable netboot
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01:33<jm_>do you see GRUB displayed at all?
01:34<hachi>no, I said it doesn't boot at all
01:34<jm_>the word GRUB that is, not the menu
01:34<hachi>no stage 1
01:34<jm_>then it's not a grub problem
01:34<hachi>except for the fact that if I use the debian installer it will boot off that one device
01:34<jm_>d-i uses syslinux
01:34<hachi>I mean the installer step to install grub
01:35<hachi>"No bootable device -- insert boot disk and press any key"
01:35<hachi>bios claims it can't boot from any device in the system
01:35<jm_>yeah sounds like a BIOS thing - do you have active partition on your disk?
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01:36<hachi>I just made it active not 30 minutes ago
01:36<jm_>then you should ask Intel for support I guess, no idea what else it checks
01:37<hachi>I'm trying to find out what magic the debian installer does to install grub that makes it work
01:38<clipper>wow. still working on that, eh?
01:39<hachi>been working on it for two weeks now
01:39<jm_>it calls grub-install
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01:39<clipper>you should install GRUB to a usb drive
01:39<clipper>then tell me how you did it
01:39<hachi>I can't boot off USB either
01:39<clipper>:)
01:39<hachi>not on this machine
01:39<hachi>I can boot my usb key in almost anything else
01:41<jm_>good to know to avoid Inel motherboards in the future ;)
01:42<hachi>obviously you're not reading what I said, debian installer can make it boot just fine... if I call grub-installer myself with --root-dir and the device map set correctly it doesn't boot
01:42<hachi>maybe this is an issue with the mobo... but it certainly seems like I'm having software issues from where I stand
01:43<hachi>what with it being inconsistent and all
01:45<jm_>then it's you who is screwing up the install
01:45<hachi>perhaps
01:45<jm_>no idea why don't you simply let the installer handle it if you can't figure it out
01:45<hachi>but I can't find what I'm doing differently
01:46<hachi>ahh, because I'm trying to rescue a debian install
01:46<jm_>have you tried what dpkg has in "fixmbr"?
01:47<hachi>I don't see a package called fixmbr, let alone have it installed...
01:47<jm_>!fixmbr
01:47<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>.
01:47<hachi>rosa:/var/lib/tftpboot# dpkg -l fixmbr
01:47<hachi>No packages found matching fixmbr.
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01:48<hachi>oh, that's not confusing
01:48<hachi>dpkg != dpkg
01:48<dpkg>hachi: bugger all, i dunno
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01:48<hachi>I have done that, sadly... and it doesn't work
01:49<jm_>that's what installer does
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01:59<hachi>there must be some functional difference between grub-install that the installer is running and the grub-install that I'm running
01:59<hachi>I just tested it again, boots just fine
02:00<jm_>tested it where?
02:00<hachi>on the disk that I'm trying to recover on
02:00<hachi>blew away the partitions, installed debian again
02:00<hachi>grub comes up just fine
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02:00<hachi>now I'll put the partitions I want back on there, and try installing grub again
02:01<hachi>I'm willing to bet money it will fail silently like it always does
02:02<jm_>now it's failing silently, previously it failed with <hachi> "No bootable device -- insert boot disk and press any key"
02:03<hachi>that's the bios saying that
02:03<hachi>grub is failing silently
02:03<jm_>so it's not failing silently ...
02:03<hachi>sure, whatever
02:03<jm_>no it's not GRUB failing, it doesn't even get there, or your MBR is fucked
02:03<hachi>grub-install overwrites my mbr, no?
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02:05<jm_>depends on how one installs it
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02:05<hachi>fine then, `grub-install '(hd0)'`
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02:07<jm_>that should cut it yes, I recommend you figure out what's the difference with regards to partition table
02:08<hachi>mbr is 512 bytes?
02:09<hachi>yeah
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02:10<nxvl>i have a doubt on the debian-policy
02:10<nxvl>a package can Suggest a package outside of main?
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02:15<jm_>well MBR itself is 446 bytes or so, and then follows 64 bytes for partition table and signature or somesuch
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02:17<jm_>nxvl: according to the packages in Debian it can
02:17<jm_>or someone has overlooked it and it's a bug
02:17<nxvl>ok
02:17<nxvl>thank you!
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02:24<hachi>the MBR is exactly the same in both the working and non-working cases
02:24<hachi>well, the code area is
02:24<hachi>the partition table differs
02:24<hachi>but that's because I change it
02:24<jm_>then it's likely the partition table which BIOS doesn't like
02:25<clipper>doubt it
02:25<clipper>i've had the same experience
02:26<hachi>I don't know how to read this
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02:27<superlinux>hi all does any one know what kinda hash function ouptut such string? EalBb8qF5C5XrxIio4B5bzNsyFU=
02:28<hachi>doesn't look like a hash, that looks like base64
02:28<superlinux>aha
02:28<hachi>it could be a hash inside it, but who knows
02:29<hachi>20 bytes long...
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02:30<hachi>sha1 perhaps
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02:31<hachi>maybe I'm getting a grub error and it's hiding it from me
02:31<jm_>sha1 is 160 bits
02:32<hachi>yeah, 20 bytes long
02:32<jm_>but then the string would be 40 bytes, no?
02:32<hachi>if it was hex encoded, sure
02:32<jm_>well unless it's directly encoded, true
02:32<hachi>160 / 8 last I checked was 20
02:32<hachi>it's base64 encoded in this case
02:32<hachi>not hex encoded
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02:33<jm_>yeah that doesn't make sense, one wouldn't need to use base64 if it was already in hex
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02:35<yang>I wonder why is nobody trying very much to setup the new mozilla for lenny
02:35<jm_>yang: which new mozilla?
02:35<yang>iceweasel
02:36<hachi>how does grub find stage 1.5 to read the disk partition?
02:36<jm_>it is in sid for quite a while now
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02:36<yang>The packages are outdated on most platforms
02:36<jm_>yang: how so?
02:37<jm_>it's 3.0-rc2
02:37<hachi>I know stage1 is in the MBR 440 byte code segment, and I know that stage1.5 is what actually loads the FS driver, but how does grub's stage1 find the stage 1.5 ?
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02:37<yang>dpkg: info iceweasel lenny
02:38<jm_>yang: I said sid, not lenny
02:38<dpkg>iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.14-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 7930 kB, Installed size: 24432 kB
02:38<puzhengcai>anyone speak chinaese?
02:38<yang>jm_: I think it will take longer to enter lenny, since it fails to compile on several platforms
02:39<yang>jm_: but yeah I see it in sid
02:39<hachi>okay, how do I build a GPT in debian? is there a way to do this in the installer at all?
02:40<jm_>hachi: stage1.5 is in a fixed location after MBR
02:40<jm_>yang: indeed, http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel.html -- you can install it from sid, no problems
02:40<gsimmons>!tell puzhengcai -about cn
02:41<jm_>yang: but I recommend you to wait since there already is a securty bug in it
02:41<craigevil>not to mention several rendering/image bugs
02:42<jm_>I haven't noticed those - the most annoying thing I noticed is mouseless browsing extension is no longer working and middle clicking on a link sometimes goes back (in history) one page
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02:45<yang>Maybe this is why it doesn't enter testing, becouse new bugs are being discovered
02:45<yang>Anyway I saw how it looks like on a windows version
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02:46<jm_>that page tells you why - it's not old enough
02:46<jm_>and yeah based on this it won't enter testing for some time now
02:47<Hideo>ÿþo
02:47<Hideo>ok, maybe I'm drunk, but how the heck come update-grub doesn't follow my default menu.lst options and keeps overwriting it everytime?
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02:49<jm_>are you sure you have it properly commented out?
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02:50<Hideo>jm_: do you mean, having them uncommented?
02:50<Hideo>sry, being slow today
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02:50<jm_>Hideo: no, it has to be commented ;)
02:51<clipper>ok. i have a usb drive plugged in and i just edited a file. how do i unmount the drive before i remove it?
02:51<jm_>clipper: man umount
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02:54<Hideo>jm_: thanks, I'm retarded
02:54<clipper>did you get it to work?
02:54<jm_>Hideo: to be honest, I always hated how this is done
02:55<jm_>totally uncharacteristic for Unix
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02:55<clipper>any reason why /boot/grub wouldn't exist on my system?
02:56<Supaplex>Hideo: the # comments and ## comments have different meanings in the hacked-up debian version. also, beware of modifying stuff inbetween the clearly marked region managed by update-grub
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02:56<jm_>because you're not using GRUB?
02:56<Supaplex>clipper: is /boot a different filesystem? is it mounted? are we talking about a system that supports grub? (don't expect a powerpc system to know what to do with grub)
02:57<Hideo>jm_, Supaplex ah thanks, not to mention it doesn't help me mucking around in configs at 3 am in the morning :P
02:57<Supaplex>!beer Hideo
02:57*dpkg deftly decants a fine Piraat for Hideo
02:57<Supaplex>that'll help ;) haha
02:57<Hideo>sleep aid =P
02:58<clipper>desktop. system
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02:58<clipper>boot could be a different filesystem
02:58<clipper>um, yeah. i think it is
02:58<Supaplex>it? is? what is? what is it?
02:59<clipper>ext3 i believe
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02:59<Supaplex>oh, so you'll mount it next.
03:00<Supaplex>btw, I flag /boot immutible for my server. I'm using a usb key as /boot - and I'd rather not accidently install a new kernel w/o /boot being mounted. :) After it's mounted, the permissions of the next filesystem take over, and all is well.
03:01<clipper>Supaplexcan your system be booted without the key?
03:01<Supaplex>that was my cheap hack to keep both drives fully usable for raid
03:01<Supaplex>no, not unless I use PXE to boot off the network
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03:01<clipper>and if there was no network?
03:01<Supaplex>then I'm screwed
03:02<Supaplex>I'd have to find my usb key. duh :)
03:02<clipper>i want you to tell me how you did that, but i gtg
03:02<clipper>i'll ask next time i'm here, ok?
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03:03<Supaplex>anytime
03:03<Supaplex>unless I'm away :)
03:03<clipper>k. night all
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03:12<morgan`>hello
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03:16<superlinux>hachi the program was buil using .NET . what does .NET provide of such funcions?
03:17<superlinux>morgan` hi
03:18<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>.NET is a library developed by Microsoft Corporation
03:18<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>It has network handling also
03:18<superlinux>GhostlyDeath|Laptop i know that bro.. but i was just asking..
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03:19<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>oh heh
03:19<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>superlinux: Thought you said "hamachi"
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03:19<hachi>superlinux: wha?
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03:20<hachi>heck if I know what sha1 functions .net provides
03:20<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>oh, so hachi is a person..
03:20<hachi>I'm technically classified as an arse... less than a person
03:20<hachi>but not a machine
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03:20<superlinux>well i tried the base64 to decode it.. it doesnt work.. and usually there is a dbl [ = ]
03:20<superlinux>at the end
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03:21<superlinux>is there any other base functions like base128?
03:21<hachi>indeed, I just used perl -MMIME::Base64 -le 'print decode_base64 shift' 'whateveryou pasted went here'
03:21<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>Not enough ASCII for base128
03:22<hachi>and it was 20 bytes in length, you thought it was a hash function
03:22<hachi>thus, sha1
03:22<hachi>at least, that was my guess
03:22<hachi>if you're in .net land perhaps you should be asking windows programmers what the deal is
03:23<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>"EalBb8qF5C5XrxIio4B5bzNsyFU=" isn't base64
03:23<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>I i l L are removed
03:23<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>along with O o 0
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03:23<hachi>no they're not
03:24<superlinux>well the problem is that i lost my password and it's saved in a an MDB file as encrypted and i donno what was it.. and it's part of a software, and i am not its maker
03:24<hachi>I don't know what you're thinking of, but base64 is 64 characters, a-z A-Z 0-9 + /
03:24<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>hachi: maybe base32
03:25<superlinux>lemme see
03:25<hachi>26 + 26 + 10 + 2 = 64
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03:25<hachi>MDB is an access database
03:25<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>hachi: I read up on some format that removed I i l L o O for being "confusing
03:26<hachi>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: that would be a spoken or read encoding
03:26<hachi>base64 is not intended for reading or speaking
03:26<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>actually, I'm thinking of base32
03:27<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>RFC 4648
03:27<hachi>base 32 still uses I and O
03:27<superlinux>i am looking for an online form that lemme run bas32
03:27<hachi>superlinux: the one = at the end doesn't mean it's not base64
03:27<hachi>I'm willing to bet it's base64 and a sha1
03:27<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>hachi: but not 0 and 1
03:28<superlinux>but all strings i do give dbl =
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03:29<superlinux>hachi how it's sha + base?
03:29<hachi>I know for a fact that base64 can yield a single = in some length of bytes, I don't know what it is though
03:30*Supaplex sneezes a few times
03:30*superlinux says bless u
03:30<Supaplex>thanks =)
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03:30<superlinux>welcome
03:30*Supaplex tosses the used tissue in /dev/null
03:31*superlinux sends the tissue thru the killall truck command
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03:31<noobman>hi
03:31<superlinux>noobman hi
03:31<hachi>superlinux: I dunno, I'm just guessing
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03:32<noobman>can anyone pls help me with nfs shares mounting
03:32<noobman>i need to warn you it s all new for me :P
03:32<hachi>regardless, why are you on #debian asking for ways to hack into your microsoft access database?
03:32<hachi>I think it's just a leetle off topic
03:33<Supaplex>Thermite works great for that ;)
03:33<hachi>another good question is why I'm answering you, but whatever
03:33<noobman>mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting NAS-SERVER:/Music
03:34<noobman>these kind of messages i get all the time
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03:34<jm_>are you mounting it as root?
03:34<noobman>yes
03:34<jm_>is server exporting it with no_root_squash?
03:34<noobman>otherwise i wouldn t get that message :P
03:35<noobman>nope
03:35<jm_>...
03:35<noobman>only ro,sync
03:35-!-qq is now known as Guest1391
03:35<noobman>and hosts know the ip of the server
03:37<noobman>anyone pls
03:37<jm_>read nfs howto
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03:43<noobman>i did all what s in it
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03:44<hachi>oh, well aren't you cute
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03:45<noobman>is this the help channel or the comment on people channel?
03:45<hachi>sorry, I was talking about grub
03:46<noobman>ow ok sry m8 thought you were commenting on me
03:46<Supaplex>it's so flattered, I'm sure
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03:47<noobman>can anyone pls help me with that
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03:55<noobman>!help
03:56<superlinux>noobman what kinda?
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03:56<noobman>for my nfs
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03:56<noobman>i can t seem to get permission to login to my nfs
03:57<noobman>shares
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03:57<noobman>when i do a manual mount i get mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting NAS-SERVER:/Music
03:58<noobman>and i looked in hosts and hosts allow to make sure client is in
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03:59<weasel>and what does your exports look like?
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04:00<noobman>hmm
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04:01<noobman>#/Music VDR(ro,sync)
04:01<noobman>without the #
04:01<noobman>vdr is the client
04:02<noobman>and in hosts
04:02*weasel always uses ip adresses in exports
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04:02<noobman>ok i ll try and restart it
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04:06<noobman>same
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04:07<noobman>and firewall disabled
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04:27<hachi>anyone know what the 915resolution package was supplanted by after etch?
04:27<hachi>is supplanted by, whatever
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04:28<hachi>I absolutely love how when I go read the news about 915resolution in debian it has all the 'ticket has been closed' messages
04:28<hachi>'state has changed'
04:28<hachi>but nothing about why the devil a human changed it
04:28<hachi>or what they did
04:29<jm_>that's why you should read its bugs in BTS
04:30<jm_>it's because new xorg has the same functionality
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04:30<hachi>hurray, I get to read another config to see if I can figure out how to do something I already did
04:31<hachi>http://packages.qa.debian.org/9/915resolution/news/20080607T100809Z.html
04:31<hachi>how do I get from that to the bug
04:31<jm_>no, go to bugs.debian.org/915resolution and find the relevant one
04:31<hachi>why doesn't it link to it, bleh
04:32<jm_>yeah I also miss that, or at least mentione the number in the subjetc or whatever
04:32<hachi>it is in the subject
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04:33<jm_>ahh stupid me, that's enough then
04:33<hachi>I'm trying to find the manpage that documents how I do this... it's never fun finding the right manpage in Xorg
04:33<jm_>there's another similar bug about it
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04:34<hachi>I'm trying to not care about the bug itself
04:34<hachi>I'm trying to make my display work properly
04:34<hachi>the necessary information is buried
04:35<hachi>driver identifies itself as 'intel' in logs
04:35<hachi>no such xorg server
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04:38<jm_>there's only one server for years
04:38<hachi>I see 3 manpages
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04:38<hachi>i128, i740 and i810
04:39<hachi>none of which correlate to my i915-ish Q35 chipset
04:39<jm_>so they don't mention it under supported hardware section?
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04:39<hachi>ahh, there we go
04:40<hachi>I'm a fan of indexing the other way around
04:40<jm_>but not fan of reading as I can see
04:40<hachi>so that people who have a video card, but don't know which page have a a way to find the driver
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04:40<hachi>I actually was reading it before you suggested it
04:40<hachi>but I had been reading the i128 and i740 pages first
04:45<hachi>none of the manpages define "boolean" as to whether it's on/off, true/false, 1/0 or what
04:45<hachi>how do you spell it
04:47<hachi>I can't even tell if I'm attempting this right, manpage has an option called LVDSFixedMode, I want to set it off... what section does it belong it... not certain
04:48<hachi>how do I say 'off'... not certain
04:48<jm_>from man xorg.conf: The following boolean option values are recognised as TRUE: 1, on, true, yes
04:48<hachi>WTF, I grepped that
04:49<hachi>man xorg.conf [/] bool [enter]... No Matches Found
04:49<jm_>maybe it wasn't in the version etch has then
04:49<hachi>I'm not on etch
04:49<hachi>etch has 915resolution and I wouldn't be banging my head on the desk over this
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04:51<blueberry122>??
04:51<hachi>??
04:52<blueberry122>umm is this a support channel?
04:54<blueberry122>??
04:54<jm_>!ask
04:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
04:54<hachi>hahahaha, The syntax to override a BIOS resolution is below. You place the option in the driver section.
04:55<hachi>there is no such thing as a "Driver" section, according to xorg.conf
04:56<blueberry122>Well, the name of the card is Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG...and I am trying to install the drivers, but idk where to find them and what i'm looking for, and i just don't know how to do it..
04:56<themill>dpkg: tell blueberry122 about ipw2915
04:56<blueberry122>so how do i install the Wireless PROset intel drivers
04:56<themill>dpkg: tell blueberry122 about multiple ask
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05:01<blueberry122>what are the commands for moving a folder into a directory please?
05:01<jm_>blueberry122: no such command, Linux doesn't have folders ;)
05:02<blueberry122>ok..then how may i move files into a directory?
05:02<blueberry122>please?
05:02<jm_>man mv
05:02<blueberry122>ok then lets say i wanted to move ipw2200-fw-3.0 into /lib/firmware..
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05:03<jm_>have you ever used copy or move command in dos/windows?
05:03<blueberry122>yeah but it says i dont have the permissions to do so..
05:03<jm_>you need to be root to touch /lib/firmware
05:04<blueberry122>umm..i am under the terminal...but ive never worked with debian before so idk how to become root without using the terminal...
05:04<jm_>su -
05:05<jm_>!tell blueberry122 -about grounding
05:05<themill>blueberry122: /msg dpkg general cli tutorial <== will be useful for you if you're just getting started
05:08<blueberry122>okay...there is nothing in the "beginners" guide to show me how to login as administrator or as "root" without the terminal window open...
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05:08<blueberry122>because if i'm reading correctly then your telling me that i must be logged in as root to touch that directory
05:08<jm_>noticed that su command?
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05:09<blueberry122>yeah
05:09<jm_>so why don't you go and use it?
05:09<blueberry122>well should i extract it...? or should i drag it?
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05:10<jm_>you need to do what dpkg told you
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05:14<Tuplad>how come that all none of my archives will unpack ? in console it says "failed" to all unrars I do. (I'm using unrar-free on lenny)
05:14<jm_>Tuplad: try using rar instead
05:15<Tuplad>jm_: I cant find it in aptitude
05:16<themill>Tuplad: the package "unrar" is in non-free
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05:16<Tuplad>I dont have "non-free" :x
05:16<Tuplad>oh
05:16<Tuplad>maybe my sources.list is screwed?
05:17<Tuplad>it gets packages from here: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main
05:17<jm_>yeah add contrib non-free
05:18<Tuplad>thanks a bunch, lets try
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05:20<Tuplad>so should it be rar or unrar?
05:20<Tuplad>because rar also recommends unrar
05:20<jm_>either should work
05:20<Tuplad>alrighty
05:20<Tuplad>wonderful :))
05:20<Tuplad>it works, thanks!
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05:41<Eretic>åñòü êèòî?
05:41<Eretic>^_^
05:41<jm_>!ru
05:41<dpkg>ru is probably Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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05:50<j_>hi!
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05:50<j_>so can help for "cannot mount the selected device"?
05:51<j_>(memory stick)
05:51<jm_>try using usbmount
05:51<j_>a programm? a cmd?
05:51<jm_>it's a package
05:51<j_>thxs
05:51<j_>i look
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05:52<j_>already installed so i reinstall
05:52<jm_>no, don't reinstall, that won't solve anything
05:53<j_>ok
05:53<j_>so, what can i do?
05:53<j_>libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
05:53<j_>process 3895: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application.
05:54<jm_>does it show up in /proc/partitions?
05:54<j_>looking...
05:54<debianite>Hi all! :)
05:55<j_>major minor #blocks name
05:55<j_> 3 0 117220824 hda
05:55<j_> 3 1 6835626 hda1
05:55<j_> 3 2 1 hda2
05:55<j_> 3 5 1510078 hda5
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07:08<EmleyMoor>I have downloaded the exim4 source in the hope of making a version with an extra option, but cannot see how to proceed
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07:10<themill>EmleyMoor: did you use apt-get source to get it?
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07:12<EmleyMoor>themill: Yes
07:14<themill>EmleyMoor: so it should have unpacked the source into an exim4-blah/ directory. Inside that there will be a debian/ dir that contains all the packaging info. The file debian/rules controls how the package is built.
07:14<themill>EmleyMoor: debian/rules is a makefile and there should be a target that calls ./configure with appropriate options in there somewhere. Add your extra options to that.
07:14<EmleyMoor>I've tried reading it already though
07:15<petemc>what is it you want to change?
07:15<EmleyMoor>Mind you, I am actually reading elsewhere that the change I want to make is unnecessary as there is a better way - wanted to enable the native SPF check
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07:42<Shia>심상용
07:42<Shia>ㅇㅅㅇ
07:42<Shia>냐냐
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08:05<vigneswari>i need help in package file generation in repository having more than one arch using apt-ftparchive
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08:08<vigneswari>does it need separate conf files for different arch?
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08:14<maxb>vigneswari: I don't *think* so, though I never got apt-ftparchive to work quite as I wanted, and decided reprepro better suited my needs
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08:21<vigneswari>maxb, just command will work or it needs any conf file?
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08:45<sasha>hi , i ve compiled a kernel 2.6.25 and now i have a graphic boot with debian edu ? is it a package or is ther a graphical boot included in the new kernel
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08:47<padski_>!bootsplash
08:47<dpkg>hmm... bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot
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08:48<sasha>not it is not bootsplash
08:48<padski_>sasha, grub ?
08:48<sasha>yes
08:48<_spOOn_>anyone help me with getting a scsi Compaq SDLT unit working in debian?
08:48<sasha>when i boot a kernel 2.6.24 i have a graphical boot like splashy
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08:49<sasha>2.6.25 sorry
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08:50<padski_>sasha, and you don't want it ?
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08:51<sasha>no cause i have a bootsplah patch applied that i would like to use , i m feeling better with it
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08:55<Jinx>hi guys
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08:55<gsimmons>_spOOn_: Verify that your device is attached by examining /proc/scsi/scsi contents. You may also need to load the st module.
08:56<Jinx>whats the simplest way of having "mail" send its mail thru a local smtp server? it seems i'm beeing to dumb to figure this one out
08:56<_spOOn_>i can see it attached, but not sure what device it is now mapped to
08:56<jm_>Jinx: install MTA, configure it to do so
08:57<padski_>sasha, sorry. your problem is beyond me, hopefully someone who does know will help.
08:57<gsimmons>_spOOn_: Assuming you've only one tape device in your system, it's /dev/st0.
08:57<Jinx>will MTA also allow the sendmail command (or any wrapper equivalent) to do the same thing?
08:57<petemc>sendmail compatible MTAs will
08:57<jm_>yeah
08:58<Jinx>to make a long story short, i'm trying to get my server to send its mail via gmail (libgmail 1.9's demo gmailsmtp script running on port 25)
08:59<Jinx>hmm... time to get postfix back
08:59<padski_>heh, "lame server resolving 'pam_deny.so'"
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09:00<Jinx>!postfix
09:00<dpkg>i guess postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike <sendmail> so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org/ or #postfix @ irc.freenode.net
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09:01<sasha>padski : ok thanks
09:01<MrNaz>is NFSv4 available in debian v3.1 ?
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09:03<jm_>MrNaz: no
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09:03<MrNaz>poo
09:03<MrNaz>well i need secure remote access to files
09:03<Das>hey, how can i list all my partitions?
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09:03<Jinx>hmm... assuming i use postfix, i have to relay all it's traffic to the SMTP host i have set up, am i correct?
09:03<MrNaz>i'm currently using SSHFS and i'm getting really, really bad performance... what other options do i have?
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09:04<gsimmons>Das: cat /proc/partitions
09:04<Das>when im root i try /proc/partitions -ls i get permission denied
09:04<Das>ah
09:04<padski_>MrNaz, upgrade ?
09:04<jm_>MrNaz: FUSE has some other modules, i.e. lftp
09:04<MrNaz>padski_ that's on the table, but for various reasons cannot be done now
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09:05<MrNaz>padski_ just out of interest... when you suggest that, how often do people say "oh, great idea, i didnt think of that" ?
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09:06<AbsintheSyringe>hm, where is 915resolution in sid?
09:06<padski_>MrNaz, never hurts to ask.
09:06<MrNaz>jm_ is that a ftp based file system? i kinda need the access to be secure
09:06<gsimmons>AbsintheSyringe: It's not required post-Etch.
09:06<gsimmons>!tell AbsintheSyringe -about 915resolution
09:06<jm_>MrNaz: it supports several, https/fish/...
09:07<MrNaz>padski_ for future reference, in busy help channels, channel clutter *does* hurt
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09:07<padski_>MrNaz, perhaps nfs or something through a tunnel ?
09:07<MrNaz>jm_ i'll have a look... im also limited as to what i can install on the server
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09:07<themill>AbsintheSyringe: it's not required for the xorg, aiui
09:07<MrNaz>padski_ yes we considered that, but hacking nfs3 over ssh would be second choice after nfs4
09:08<padski_>MrNaz, backported kernel ?
09:08<MrNaz>cant change the kernel on this machine
09:08<AbsintheSyringe>themill, so on sid now I should be able to get certain higher resolutions by just altering my xorg to what I want?
09:09<MrNaz>yes, we're boxing with one hand tied behind our backs at the moment heh
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09:09<themill>AbsintheSyringe: in fact, xrandr should be able to do it for you. xorg.conf is hopefully not needed at all
09:09<jm_>if you're lucky ;)
09:10<AbsintheSyringe>no luck for me, but let me try :)
09:11<padski_>MrNaz, don't reckon you'll get nfs4 running with those constraints. suggest you look at second choice.
09:11<Markus23>has someone experience with doodle?
09:11<MrNaz>yes its looking more and more like thats going to be the only real alternative
09:12<MrNaz>incidentally... is getting poor performance out of SSHFS to be expected? someone told me that SSHFS is an ugly hack... is this true?
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09:12<MrNaz>i was using webdrive to map an drive to my winbox under windows and got very respectable performance from it
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09:13<MrNaz>(i'm working with small text files for web development)
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09:20<Jinx>hmmm... i configured postfix with "relayhost = localhost" and removed any localhost reference in the mydestination variable. But i still get this message in the mailqueue "mail for localhost loops back to myself"
09:21<Jinx>while it should just use port 25 on localhost to send the mails
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09:21<Jinx>does anybody have a clue why this is happening?
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09:22<padski_>Jinx, reckon relayhost= should point to another box
09:22<Jinx>that's its normal use, i guess
09:22<Jinx>but i need it to relay to localhost :-
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09:23<Jinx>my server is firewalled pretty much up the ying yang so i cant use an actual smtp thats not on localhost. but i want to use libgmail as a relay
09:23<themill>Jinx: what do you think relaying to localhost means?
09:23<jm_>Jinx: you can't do that
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09:24<Jinx>themill i'm not dumb. it does exactly what its made to do, but i dont want that :p
09:24<sasha>hi i have those two errors with an apt-get update commande
09:24<sasha>W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpg
09:24<sasha>W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/Release.gpg rename failed, No such file or directory ( -> /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/security.debian.org_dists_testing_updates_Release.gpg)
09:24<jm_>sasha: that is not an error, it's a warning (see that big W?)
09:24<themill>sasha: set the time on your box correctly
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09:25<themill>Jinx: If you can explain to us what you think it should do (or what you want it to do) then we might be able to help you some more
09:25<sasha>themill , time is set correctly
09:25<themill>sasha: and date?
09:25<sasha>also
09:26<sasha>maybe time zone going to check
09:26<Jinx>i'm running the libgmailer demoscript, which (out of the box) uses port 8025 to simulate a SMTP server to send mail via gmail
09:26<Jinx>its one of my only ways of getting mail outside of the network
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09:26<sasha>themill : thanks time zone was totally wrong
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09:26<themill>Jinx: ahh... so you want the local MTA to pass (some) email on to another MTA running on 8025?
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09:27<Jinx>well... yes, cept that i was running it on port 25
09:27<themill>sasha: that should be a problem though... a few hours difference shouldn't give that error; normally it's days/years difference for that error.
09:27<themill>Jinx: which you can't do... only one of the MTAs can be on port 25
09:27<Jinx>so it would be mail > something > libgmail's smtprelay > gmail > ....
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09:28<Jinx>then why doesn't postfix or python give me a warning that port 25 is already taken?
09:28<jm_>and libgmail doesn't have sendmail wrapper?
09:28<Jinx>no it doesnt
09:28<Jinx>not that i know
09:28<jm_>would probably best to write one or maybe try with port forwarding
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09:29<Jinx>hmmm
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09:30<Jinx>the gmailsmtp script is a smtp proxy... so postfix cant deliver to that?
09:30<themill>Jinx: you might be able to use relayhost = localhost:8025 (or whatever)
09:30<Jinx>hmmm
09:31<Jinx>i'll give thagt a shot
09:31<themill>Jinx: I believe that syntax is correct; check with the docs though as it's a long time since I've beaten up postfix configs in detail
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09:33<Jinx>that seemed to have worked... cept that the smtp proxy script crashed :p
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09:34<themill>well that's progress at least
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09:35<Jinx>hehe yea :)
09:35<Jinx>cept now its going into python errors which i dont know squat about
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09:38<padski_>Jinx, is that from the python-libgmail package ?
09:39<Jinx>nah, fresh download. debian's package is horribly outdated for sarge
09:39<Jinx>(yes, sarge, i know)
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09:39<Jinx>http://libgmail.cvs.sourceforge.net/libgmail/libgmail/demos/ <= got it here
09:39<padski_>Jinx, maybe check the dependencies then
09:40<Jinx>os, sys, email, base64, asyncore, loggin and smtpd are in the imprt list in the script...
09:41<Jinx>thats only for that script, and nog the libgmail library. lemme see if i can find a test for those dependancies
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09:41<padski_>Jinx, you could look at the dependencies of the package in sid perhaps
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09:42<Jinx>will do
09:42<AbsintheSyringe>so now that I'm on sid and no 915resolution, is there any way I can get higher resolution then my "native"
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09:43<Jinx>hmmm... been having some trouble with clientcookie lib... i'll get a fresh copy of that
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09:43<blueberry122>i need help finding a program that burns ISO images to a CD please...
09:44<themill>blueberry122: k3b
09:47<bs7rphb>blueberry122, cdrecord
09:47<SlayerXP>cdrecord isn't in debian these days
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09:48<SlayerXP>it's "wodim"
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09:49<Tuplad>hey, I've downloaded cksfv, I typed ./configure in console, but I got this: "has stdint.h: no (compilation will probably fail)" what can I do about it?
09:50<themill>Tuplad: apt-file is your friend.
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09:51<Tuplad>themill: what's it for ? I'm looking at it but it doesnt seem like something I need
09:52<themill>Tuplad: ./configure told you that you need the file stdint.h; apt-file is for working out what files are in what packages.
09:52<Tuplad>aah
09:52<Tuplad>but I downloaded it as tar.gz archive from the cksfv site
09:53<themill>Tuplad: except that stdint.h is part of the standard libraries that you would normally install on your machine for building tools.
09:53<Tuplad>themill: ah I see how it works
09:53<themill>Tuplad: You might also want to install the build-essential package if you've not already done so (which I don't think you have, given that error)
09:53<Tuplad>themill: exactly
09:53<Tuplad>thanks
09:54<themill>np
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09:55<petterson>Hello
09:56<petterson>Is it possible to requires authentication file AND a password when using ssh?
09:57<themill>petterson: why would you want to do that?
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09:59<cmot>yodel!
09:59<cmot>NFS experts wanted...
10:00<themill>!ask
10:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
10:01<Jinx>stupid dependencies... need better version of ClientCookie, but for that i need a better version of setuptools which is only available as backport, which i dont know how to reach!
10:01<petterson>themill: I don't know anything about security, so I thought that would be really secure
10:01<petterson>themill: do you think is unnecessary?
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10:01<petterson>themill: just the authfile is enough?
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10:02<themill>petterson: yes. The key is much stronger than any password you can come up with and would normally be protected on the client's machine with a passphrase anyway.
10:02<Jinx>isn't there a passphrase in the authfile? (i remember something like that from back when i was creating my keys)
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10:02<gsimmons>!tell Jinx -about backports.org
10:02<petterson>themill: I'll make my server available to be maintained in the web with root access, so I'm kind of overprotective ... lol
10:03<petterson>themill: do you know nxserver?
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10:03<Jinx>thx :)
10:03<themill>petterson: you probably don't want to allow remote root login. You also probably want something like fail2ban or denyhosts (/msg dpkg fail2ban)
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10:05<cmot>of course !ask, that was just a short intro, and then I got an urgent phone call and then I killed my X session... :-/
10:05<petterson>themill: I will be in another city for some months and I'm the only one who knows (a bit) how to configure and maintain the server ... and if in that time I need root access?
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10:06<cmot>Anyway... NFS experts: I have performance problems with NFS (v3 atm, thinking about deploying v4) and see tons of "reply ERR 1448" messages
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10:06<cmot>(this is when tcpdump-ing; on both ends of the connection)
10:06<Jinx>hmmm... are sarge backports still supported?
10:06<themill>petterson: I look after a server that is 17000 km away and I've not physically seen it in over 4 years. You log in to your regular user's account and then use sudo or su.
10:07<cmot>mtu etc. seems to be ok, I can pingflood ok with large packages.
10:07<petterson>themill:lol (dumb me)
10:07<petterson>themill: and do you know nxserver?
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10:08<themill>petterson: never used it
10:08<petemc>i use nxserver
10:08<petterson>themill: thank you a lot
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10:08<markon>hi all! I've just installed debian lenny, but when I try to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it doesn't give me the possibility to set the video-card driver..
10:09<themill>petterson: no worries. Ask the channel your question about nxserver and petemc (or someone else) might answer.
10:09<markon>can you help me? thank you ;=
10:09<petterson>petemc: do you know how to configure nxserver/client to use only authfiles?
10:09<petemc>i do not
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10:10<petterson>petemc: thank you, I'll look for some documentation then :)
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10:13<gsimmons>Jinx: They're still available, if that's what you mean. But the lifetime of sarge-backports has ended, at the same time as security support did.
10:14<Jinx>found out i was missing a / in sources.list. in etch it's not required anymore i guess
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10:18<Jinx>dman... backport is 6.09 and i need 6.11 :(
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10:22<Jinx>i guess it's time to upgrade somewhere in the summer
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10:23<Jinx>sarge is getting too old :(
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10:24<OdyX>Hi. I'm looking for a replacement for LDAP in PHP. My idea is to provide a pure PHP (+MySQL) application. Ideally, it should be using LDAP, but for target market reasons, it is not possible (it has to be installable on pure PHP+MySQL setups). Any idea ?
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10:30<zedboy>Why is apache not processing .phtml files properly? libapache-mod-php5 is installed...
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10:31<themill>!php wants me to download still
10:31<dpkg>Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verified that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload (Apache 1.x).
10:32<xrcode>anyone know about maintaining multiple routing tables with iproute2
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10:35<Jinx>hmm, is there a way to read the mails in a postfix mailqueue?
10:35<Jinx>(ones that haven't been sent)
10:35<ootput>for laptops (in etch), what's a fast way to get a reading of cpu temp and battery percentage?
10:35<zedboy>themill: thx, apache restart + browser restart
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10:36<ootput>is there a file i can simply cat?
10:36<themill>ootput: acpi -V
10:36<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>ootput: cat /proc/acpi/BAT*/state, info
10:36<themill>ootput: you can also poke around in /proc/acpi/*
10:38<ootput>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: neither gives a % reading
10:38<ootput>i'm using yacpi atm to get readings piped to screen, but when the AC is online, the output of yacpi loses it's structure (for cut -f purposes)
10:39<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>ootput: remaining capacity / last full capacity
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10:48<nguppt>help
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11:11<Ganneff>hrm.
11:11<guilherme>/echo -a $decode(YTo1OntzOjU6ImVtYWlsIjtzOjIwOiJkbWdpdGFqYWlAZG1nLm NvbS5iciI7czo
11:11<guilherme>0OiJ1c2VyIjtzOjk6ImRtZ2l0YWphaSI7czo0OiJwYXNzIjtzO jY6Iml0YWphaSI
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11:11<guilherme>M5MjQ3O30=, -m)
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11:33<Zathraz>hi. Any pointers on Jboss on Lenny as the jbossas4 package is.... a bit extremely poor
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11:42<krisg>hi how can i make i file so when i type ./krisg it executes the command ls ? and what should its filename extension?
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11:43<Ganneff>no extension needed. chmod +x file
11:43<krisg>can i just put ls inside the file?
11:44<Ganneff>no.
11:44<krisg>is that script called bash right?
11:44<Ganneff>you need a header telling the system wtf it should do with the following stuff. for shell commands use #!/bin/bash
11:44<krisg>thanks
11:44<maxb>krisg: You should explain a bit more what you're actually trying to do, rather than giving such a stripped-down example
11:44<Ganneff>but better google for a shell (scripting) howto
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11:47<nelson_>hy how can i tell Network Manager that he must read /etc/network/interfaces beforce telling me I'm not connected ? (and i'm connected...) it's a strange bug
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11:48<nelson_>NM in system tray is saying there's no connection bug i configured /etc/network/interfaces myself (static adress)
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11:49<themill>nelson_: nm doesn't touch interfaces listed in /e/n/i
11:49<MartinVW>Some Debian servers I'm administrating list ram0-ram15 in /proc/partitions; I find this very irritating. Does anyone know how to get rid of these?
11:49<themill>nelson_: this is fully documented in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian
11:50<SlayerXP>MartinVW: remove all the ram
11:50<nelson_>themill, what about /etc/udev/z45-persisent-net.rules ?
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11:50<themill>nelson_: that has nothing to do with network manager
11:51<MartinVW>SlayerXP: ram? are ramdisk, not ram modules...
11:51<MartinVW>dmesg|grep -i ram doesn't even show any RAMDISK driver output.
11:51<themill>nelson_: fwiw, I'd like network-manager to play nicely with static connections too, but I've instead just changed everything I have over to dhcp :)
11:51<petemc>MartinVW: why does it annoy you?
11:52<MrNaz>when booting for a debian install, do you have to specify that you're installing on a system with scsi or does that happen automatically ?
11:52<MartinVW>Me (and my collegues) are not used to it; we expect a list of hard disks, their partitions and nothing more.
11:52<MrNaz>coz i'm trying to install debian on a ibm xseries 330 and the partition manager doesnt seem to see any disks
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11:53<MartinVW>It's nothing serious, but when there's a simple way to get rid of them, I'd like to know :)
11:53<nelson_>ok so where can i configure NM settings manually ?
11:53<maxb>MartinVW: Don't assume that. RAID volumes show up there too
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11:54<MartinVW>yes, them we expect too :))
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11:55<themill>nelson_: There are no settings for NM for wired connections. Only for wireless and vpn connections. Read the docs I pointed to you carefully.
11:55<MartinVW>I mean, /proc/partitions just contains hard disks and stuff. We never use those ramdisk devices, so I just don't know why these turn up there.
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11:56<MartinVW>Other systems seem not to list ram devices in /proc/partitions; my local Ubuntu system does not, our old Red Hat Servers do not; I'll have a look into some other Debian servers we're running whether there are some that also do not have these ram? entries.
11:57<petemc>no boxes i have do
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11:58<MartinVW>hmm... could be kernel related. a debian server running 2.6.18-6-686 does not show them, while a server running 2.6.25-2-686 do show them.
11:59<MartinVW>ok, I guess I found the source of that issue. My colleage explained that the 2.6.25 kernel is a custom one, that's most probably the source.
11:59<MartinVW>So it's not debian's fault, sorry for bothering :)
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12:13<nelson_>ok thanks themill
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12:15<anathema>hi
12:15<anathema>Can i ask something?
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12:16<anathema>anyone alive?
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12:16<anathema>:D
12:16<gsimmons>!ask
12:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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12:17<enouf>MartinVW: yeah, that's not normal behaviour - i'd expect that from say udev, and maybe even hal (lshal) - as those ram0-ram15 are listed ~$ ls -l /sys/block/ <--there, but the initrd (if used) uses them
12:17<enouf>MartinVW: ~$ grep -i ramdisk /var/log/dmesg
12:17<enouf>RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 8192K size 1024 blocksize
12:18<anathema>ok. i have a prob with my wifi card. It works but the boot time is very big.... My dmesg: http://pastebin.com/maac8466
12:18<anathema>^^^ there are some errors in dmesg
12:18<anathema>thanks
12:18<enouf>er, the kernel (mainly) uses them;-)
12:21<anathema>#
12:21<anathema>eth1: timeout waiting for mgmt response 250, triggering device
12:21<anathema>#
12:21<anathema>eth1: mgt_commit_list: failure. oid=19000004 err=1
12:21<anathema>#
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12:21<anathema> /msg dpkg paster
12:21<gsimmons>MartinVW: Note that a rewritten ramdisk block device driver was included from 2.6.25.
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12:24<anathema>anyone?
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12:26<enouf>gsimmons: oh? .. hrm aye ;-) http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=9db5579be4bb5320c3248f6acf807aedf05ae143
12:27<enouf>anathema: well, as for me, i don't know much about wifi at all :-/
12:28<anathema>thanks enouf!
12:28<anathema>np
12:28<gsimmons>anathema: Your boot time is being extended, due to your wireless device being reset during its initialisation. What laptop are you using?
12:29<anathema>gsimmons: HP Omnibook VT6200
12:29<anathema>it's quite old :S
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12:30<enouf>anathema: i see you have some pcmcia and bluetooth also going on
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12:30<anathema>enouf: I dont have bluetooth :/
12:30<enouf>anathema: cat /proc/cmdline
12:31<anathema>enouf: root=/dev/hda4 ro
12:31<enouf>anathema: well the driver is being loaded :-P
12:31<enouf>anathema: ok, that's fine
12:31<anathema>enouf: i know but I dont have :(
12:31<enouf>anathema: ok, i also don't like those ACPI errors
12:31<anathema>yeap
12:32<anathema>enouf: I see in dmesg log that the error for eth1 is repeated many times!
12:32<anathema>before I install the firmware for the wifi card, the boot time was ok
12:32<enouf>anathema: see how eth1 stuff is just before that?
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12:32<enouf>anathema: ahh .. but it works, once it loads?
12:32<anathema>but now the card seems to be ok.
12:32<anathema>yes
12:32<anathema>gnome network-manager recognises it and I see the APs and all the networks
12:33<anathema>:S
12:33<enouf>well, how did you install the firmware? and it wouldn't work without it, right?
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12:33<enouf>anathema: see if you z25 file has any conflicts - and your firmware is installed at /lib/firmware, yes?
12:33<enouf>!z25
12:33<dpkg>methinks z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>
12:33<anathema>I have netgear wg511 v1 and I installed prismGT firmware in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware (From official site)
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12:34<enouf>anathema: ls -l /lib/firmware
12:34<anathema>enouf: total 0
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12:34<anathema>:/
12:34<enouf>anathema: ouch
12:34<enouf>could be the issue
12:34<anathema>I installed in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware
12:34<anathema>as the site of prismgt said
12:35<anathema>hmmm
12:35<enouf>IINM, it NEEDS to be in /lib/firmware .. but ..
12:35<anathema>I must copy the firm in /lib/firmware?
12:35<gsimmons>enouf: The firmware _is_ being uploaded, it's detected as such by the prism54 driver in the dmesg output.
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12:35<anathema>yes gsimmons ...
12:35<anathema>I think that something with IPv6
12:35<anathema>is the error
12:36<anathema>or network configuration maybe
12:36<enouf>gsimmons: yeah, i see that
12:36<enouf>anathema: it seems the firware is borking your ACPI routes/tables, whatever .. do you boot with the PCMCIA wifi card plugged in?
12:37<anathema>enouf: yes I boot with the pcmcia plugged in
12:37<anathema>enouf: before debian I had Arch linux and I had the pcmcia card always plugged
12:37<enouf>anathema: hrm .. maybe boot without it plugged? and add it just after boot?
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12:37<anathema>enouf: but in previous linux distros I didnt have probs :(
12:37<anathema>is this solution?
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12:38<enouf>anathema: i don't know - i'm tryuing to see if errors go away (various errors)
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12:38<clipper>eth1 isn't being brought up automatically during boot. there was an error message about "ignoring unknown device eth1=eth1" during boot. here is my /etc/network/interfaces file.
12:38<clipper>http://rafb.net/p/Z9rRcK71.html
12:38<enouf>ahh .. my next route of attack ;-) the ever infamous /etc/network/interfaces (and friends)
12:39<themill>clipper: that's because your /e/n/i is botched beyond belief
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12:39<clipper>yeah. i have to bring it up manually after i login.
12:39<enouf>anathema: did you check your z25 file as well? (though, it's a reach) is eth1 listed?
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12:40<anathema>enouf: how to check this?
12:40<enouf>anathema: (with correct MAC address)
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12:40<enouf>!tell anathema -about z25
12:40<themill>clipper: get of "dhcp" at the end of line 6 and add an extra line that says "iface eth1 inet dhcp"
12:40<clipper>get of?
12:40<clipper>remove that line?
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12:40<themill>clipper: gah.. "get rid of".
12:41<anathema>enouf: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.ru
12:41<anathema> ?
12:41<clipper>k. brb
12:41<clipper>wait. is that it?
12:41<themill>clipper: should be enough
12:41<anathema>enouf gsimmons do u want to paste my etc/netwrok/interfaces file?
12:41<clipper>k. rebooting
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12:42<gsimmons>anathema: No, I don't think that would assist. I'd verify that you have the most recently issued system BIOS installed on your VT6200. IME, these frequently correct ACPI issues on HP laptops. From what I can determine, the latest is "EG.M2.42" (2 Jun 2004).
12:42<anathema>gsimmons, i think that I have the latest bios sys
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12:43<gsimmons>anathema: Install the 'hwinfo' package and execute "hwinfo --bios" to verify.
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12:43<enouf>anathema: compare the info in z25 with ifconfig output is good enough
12:44<enouf>lshal might even have your bios version ~$ lshal | grep -i smbios.bios.version
12:44<anathema>enouf: I can find z25 info :(
12:44<enouf>anathema: what?
12:44<enouf>cat the file
12:45<enouf>cat /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
12:45<anathema>SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:30:b4:00:00:00", NAME="eth1"
12:46<anathema>iwconfig shows the AP Mac
12:46<anathema>btw bios version is:
12:46<anathema> smbios.bios.version = 'EG.M2.33' (string)
12:46<enouf>anathema: righto, now, that MAC address corresponds to what you see in ifconfig | grep -i HwAddr
12:46<anathema>no
12:47<anathema>eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:09:5B:E6:4C:8C
12:47<anathema>different
12:47<enouf>anathema: ouch
12:47<anathema>:(
12:47<enouf>anathema: edit z25 to be corect
12:47<anathema>ok
12:47<anathema>btw how to upgrade the bios?
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12:48<enouf>heh, FreeDos on a boot floppy + your bios.exe file or something
12:48<enouf>dell has a biosdisk thing or something .. but, oh well
12:49<anathema>ok
12:49<anathema>i have edited the z25
12:49<enouf>anathema: wait
12:49<anathema>ok
12:49<enouf>anathema: did you make a backup of the file?
12:49<anathema>no
12:49<anathema>I will paste
12:49<anathema>the previous mac
12:49<anathema>to a file
12:49<enouf>anathema: well put this back
12:49<enouf>> SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:30:b4:00:00:00", NAME="eth1"
12:49<enouf>but comment it out
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12:49<enouf>anathema: just in case ;-)
12:50<anathema>ok
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12:50<anathema>done
12:50<enouf>anathema: ok, try it ;-)
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12:50<anathema>ok enouf thanks for all!
12:50<anathema>I will reboot
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12:50<enouf>anathema: well, i don't know if that's the issue :-/
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12:57<anathema>the boot time was more quicker but the dmesg shows the same error but not such as many times
12:58<anathema>eth2: mgt_commit_list: failure. oid=19000004 err=1
12:58<anathema>eth2: mgt_commit: failure
12:58<anathema>not eth1
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13:02<enouf>anathema: oh, hi
13:03<enouf>anathema: how much quicker?
13:03<enouf>anathema: is that a Macintosh?
13:03<enouf>!forcedeth
13:03<dpkg>it has been said that forcedeth is the open-source nvidia ethernet driver, for nforce motherboards. Found in 2.4.23 kernels or higher, or ask me about <forcedeth mac>
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13:03<enouf>!forcedeth mac
13:03<dpkg>If your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc) and you are using the forcedeth driver, then edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*".
13:03<enouf>oh shit .. heh
13:04<anathema>enouf? Some seconds quicker
13:04<anathema>Mac? no
13:04<anathema>:P
13:04<enouf>anathema: you don't have eth2 listed at all anywhere in z25 do you?
13:04<anathema>how to see if corrected?
13:04<anathema>w8 to see
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13:04<enouf>anathema: ls /sys/class/net/
13:04<gsimmons>anathema: If you could pastebin the output of "lspci -nnv", that would be appreciated.
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13:05<anathema>SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:30:b4:00:00:00", NAME="eth2"
13:05<enouf>wtf?
13:05<anathema>wow!! added new line lol
13:05<enouf>anathema: whom?
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13:05<anathema>gsimmons I will pastebin
13:05<anathema>enouf: not me
13:05<anathema>:P
13:05<enouf>anathema: but it wasn't there prior?
13:05<anathema>enouf: maybe the system
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13:06*enouf scratches head ..
13:06<anathema>gsimmons: http://pastebin.com/m7b50dc2a
13:06*enouf moves hand up to the neck area :-P
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13:06<anathema>enouf: Maybe the system added when boots cause I edited the MAC Address?
13:06<anathema>:/
13:07<enouf>anathema: likely .. it;s ok , not the end of world
13:07<anathema>enouf: in iwconfig
13:07<anathema>there is not eth1
13:07<anathema>lol
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13:07<anathema>only eth2
13:07<enouf>anathema: you said something about an AP ?
13:07<enouf>anathema: ls /sys/class/net/
13:08<anathema>eth0 eth2 lo sit0
13:08<anathema>;p
13:08<enouf>lmao
13:08<anathema>lol
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13:08<anathema>nice :p
13:08<enouf>hang tough - see if gsimmons can come up with something :-)
13:08<anathema>ok enouf thanks!!
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13:09<enouf>np ;-)
13:09<anathema>I will erase the line in z25?
13:09<anathema>to have the old one?
13:09<enouf>anathema: not yet
13:09<anathema>ok
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13:10<enouf>s/gsimmons/anyone else, etc
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13:14<anathema>enouf one other question. I have a trouble of writing to a usb stick with ntfs-3g. Is read only. Is there a tutorial hwo to install configure ntfs-3g? cause I must do it from the start
13:15<anathema>I have conflicted /etc/fstab and mtab :(
13:15<enouf>anathema: just a note, another thing to try is various boot options (kernel params) like appending your kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst to say root=/dev/hda4 ro pci=routeirq
13:15<enouf>anathema: so there, the option is pci=routeirq
13:15<anathema>ok i will try it thx
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13:15<enouf>!ntfsrw
13:15<dpkg>If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs
13:15<enouf>!ntfs-3g
13:15<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g. Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage
13:16<enouf>anathema: try ntfsmount maybe as dpkg mentioned
13:16<clipper>http://paste.debian.net/7365/
13:16<clipper>this is failing horribly
13:16<clipper>it's my /etc/network/interfaces file
13:16<anathema>enouf: I can't install ntfs-3g with apt-get
13:16<anathema>I must try ntfsmount?
13:17<enouf>anathema: though - that might be a RO thing .. unless ntfsprogs has been updated with FUSE and ntfs-3g or soemthing
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13:17<enouf>anathema: hrm .. see what dpkg said about that
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13:18<clipper>this is messing with all my services that require a network connection on startup
13:18<sdc>what is the irc for ubuntu-es?
13:18<enouf>anathema: also, just for fun, cp your firmware over in /lib/firmware .. now , take notes of all changes we make ;-)
13:19<enouf>sdc: freenode.net likely
13:19<anathema>hehe I will do it :) thx enouf
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13:20<sdc>enouf: tks
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13:20<enouf>anathema: remember - someone mentioned possible BIOS upgrade to resolve acpi issues ... your revision isn;t the latest it seems
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13:22<zren>Hey! I have a problem with networking, I have a java server application running on a debian system, listening on port 5000 and a C application running on debian that tries to connect to the java server. It's running fine for localhost, but when I try to run it over a lan i get connect() failed : Connection refused
13:22<zren>Couldn't connect to host
13:22<anathema>thanks
13:22<eject_ck>zren, firewall
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13:22<eject_ck>zren, port tcp ? If yes try telnet
13:22<gsimmons>clipper: Assuming you want the eth1 interface to be brought up at startup, you'll need to provide an "auto" or "allow-hotplug" line for it. man 5 interfaces
13:22<zren>eject_ck, I have no firewall and i havent done anything in the iptables
13:23<clipper>auto eth1
13:23<clipper>after auto lo
13:23<eject_ck>zren, tcpdump
13:23<clipper>right
13:23<clipper>?
13:23<eject_ck>zren, btw you have all on one machine ?
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13:24<zren>eject_ck, the system is newly installed, is there a standard kind of firewall i can deactivate?
13:24<zren>no it's two machine
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13:24<zren>one x86_64 and an 386 laptop
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13:26<enouf>zren: IINM, no firewall is enabled via default install ; do iptables -L
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13:27<zren>it's empty
13:27<zren>no entries
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13:30<zren>wireshark doesnt even recognise that I am trying to connect
13:30<zren>thats strange
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13:31<clipper>i edited my /etc/network/interfaces file and i just want to make sure it's correct before i reboot.
13:31<clipper>http://paste.debian.net/7368/
13:31<eject_ck>sorry for delay
13:31<eject_ck>zren, are you sure that your service listening interface ?
13:31<eject_ck>netstat -na | grep 5000
13:32<zren>it says it's listening
13:32<zren>tcp6 0 0 :::5000 :::* LISTEN
13:34<eject_ck>tcp6
13:34<eject_ck>:)
13:34<eject_ck>tune your /etc/hosts a bit
13:35<zren>^^
13:35<eject_ck>zren, comment in v6 host and restart your service
13:35<eject_ck>leave ipv4
13:35<zren>when I do an nmap from the client side i can see the port
13:35<zren>5000/tcp open UPnP
13:35<eject_ck>on 127.0.0.1 ?
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13:35<eject_ck>or on localhost ?
13:36<zren>no on the other PC
13:36<AbsintheSyringe>when is icweasel 3.0 final going to be included in debian? I'm on sid, but still 3.0rc2
13:36<zren>server is open and from the other pc i can nmap it
13:36<themill>dpkg: tell AbsintheSyringe about ff3
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13:37<AbsintheSyringe>ah
13:37<clipper>http://paste.debian.net/7368/
13:38<clipper>sorry forgot to add line to auto
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13:38<zren>eject_ck, wow okay I think it's my fault it must be a programming error on the C side, strange because it's working on localhost. But i just recognised that the Java server accepted the nmap scan as client, so it's not a network error.
13:38<maxhofer>I know there is an archive for debian unstable archving all changes in unstable. Can anyone tell me where i can find that?
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13:38<sdc>enouf: freenode.net what is the common port?
13:39<maxhofer>like having unstable from 2008.05.06
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13:39<enouf>sdc: 6667 typically
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13:39<themill>!sdn
13:39<dpkg>from memory, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information.
13:39<themill>maxhofer: ^^
13:39<maxhofer>themill: thanks
13:39<sdc>enouf: don't connect
13:39<eject_ck>zren, sure
13:40<eject_ck>:)
13:40<enouf>sdc: this is not the place to ask for help with that ;-)
13:40<zren>but thanks a lot! Know i just have to find out how a code can run on localhost but not on the lan
13:40<sdc>enouf: sorry
13:41<enouf>np - your client is having issues connecting to that server it seems .. read your irc clients documentation
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13:42<themill>sdc: freenode has been having a bad day today. Perhaps try a different node.
13:42<sdc>themill: tks
13:43<fxiny>a freenode bad day ? another gnaa attack ?
13:43<themill>fxiny: nfc. But there has been 3 or so netsplits...
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14:03<petterson>hello
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14:04<petterson>how do I setup ssh to need an authfile? I want to store it in a USB flashdrive
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14:05<maui_>is it possible to glue the three etch dvd together t one local repository?
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14:07<maxb>repository?
14:07<mikegrb>super glue
14:07<mikegrb>should work fine
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14:08<maui_>i mean each dvd has its own Release and Package list and so on...is it possile to bring them together?
14:08<maxb>for what purpose?
14:08<maui_>local debian mirror
14:09<maxb>Are you sure the dvds contain the entire package set?
14:09<maui_>nope...thats why i ask
14:09<maxb>if so, you could just grab the combined metadata files from the net
14:09<maui_>it should be enough for basic graphical clients
14:10<maxb>I'd be tempted to look at something like apt-proxy, and seed it with the contents of the dvds. That way it can download the metadata, and any missing packages when they are first requested
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14:24<petterson>how do I setup ssh to need an authfile? I want to store it in a USB flashdrive
14:24<themill>petterson: man ssh-keygen
14:25<themill>petterson: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/530
14:26<petterson>themill: thank you
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14:26<themill>np
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14:30<Cyorxamp>Does anyone in here own an old Philips mobile/cellular phone from before 2000? (like a Savvy) ?
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14:35<mystery>hello all
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14:41<Laeborg>http://pastebin.com/m5a7b80e1
14:41<dev-not>i got alsa installed but it doesn't seem to be working on with xmms
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14:42<dev-not>nm.
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14:44<jthomas>On Etch, apt-get dist-upgrade will prevent future SSL-related issues, correct? Well, related to this recent vulnerability.
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14:45<themill>yes, that's right. But check that they keys you are generating after the upgrade are OK using ssh-vulnkey
14:45<jthomas>does that work to test SSL certs or CSRs?
14:46<jthomas>"E: Couldn't find package ssh-vulnkey"
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14:46<jthomas>!ssh-vulnkey
14:46<dpkg>somebody said ssh-vulnkey was a tool to identify known weak ssh keys (ask me about <dsa1571><dsa1576>). It is found in the openssh-client package version 4.3p2-9etch1 or later; you will need to "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade" to also install the new openssh-blacklist package. See http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys for usage.
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14:46<themill>jthomas: that's only for ssh certs.
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14:47<jthomas>yeah; how do i check for SSL Certs?
14:47<themill>jthomas: There's also an openssl-blacklist package on backports.org for that
14:48<jthomas>but if i dist-upgrade then there shouldn't be concern, is that correct?
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14:48<themill>jthomas: that's correct. Make sure that libssl0.9.8 is upgraded.
14:48<themill>jthomas: Check the version using dpkg -l or apt-cache policy against the version mentioned in the DSA as being fixed.
14:49<jthomas>ok thanks!~
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14:51<petterson>themill: ssh-copy-id -i /media/usb0/key/id_rsa.pub petterson@localhost
14:51<petterson>themill: if I try to install the key in the server, I got a line 26 ... acess denied (publickey)
14:52<themill>petterson: yeah, that looks right. Are you permitted to ssh to that machine normally? Or have you already disabled password login?
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14:55<Laeborg>http://pastebin.com/m5a7b80e1 - anyone who can help me?
14:56<Torsten_W>Laeborg: apt-get install bzip2
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14:57<Laeborg>thanks
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14:59<MDC__>I have set up my firewall to be used as an AP and this seems to be working fine. A would also like to broadcast pulseaudio stream over the network (wlan -> lan) but I can't get the multicast routing to work. Is the smcroute package the solution?
14:59<MDC__>s/A would/I would/
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15:00<Kalessin>hi, i'm becoming mad with some apt-pinning : here is the problem : http://outils.mousur.org/pastebin/index.php?show=323
15:00<Kalessin>I get wrong values :X
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15:01<Kalessin>I have tried to change Pin field in Preferences
15:01<Kalessin>*preferences
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15:01<Kalessin>with the o parameter for example
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15:03<petterson>themill: I have disabled already, lol (shouldn't I?)
15:03<petterson>themill: what is 26?
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15:05<kop>MDC__ : When I've had to route multicast I've used mrouted. (But then I decided it was more trouble than it's worth and just turned off multicast routing anyhow.)
15:05<themill>petterson: ssh-copy-id is a script that tries to log in to the machine using your password and then copy the key across so you can then log in with only the key (and no passwd) from them on. To use ssh-copy-id, you need to be able to log in with a passwd. (The script dies at line 26 when it can't log on with a password)
15:06<themill>petterson: You can either re-enable passwd logins for a sec to to this, or instead of using ssh-copy-id, use: cat /media/usb0/key/id_rsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
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15:07<MDC__>kop, mrouted what I know is not in debians repositories which makes it little "hackish"... Isn't multicasting a really good idea (c)?
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15:09<petterson>themill: I enable the passwords and could run the script, however when I try to login, It complatins about 0755 is begin too open for a key
15:10<petterson>themill: This private key will be ignored.
15:10<petterson>bad permissions: ignore key: /media/usb0/key/id_rsa
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15:11<themill>petterson: yes. You don't want everyone to be able to read your private key. What filesystem is the usb disk? vfat or ext3?
15:12<petterson>themill: I think is vfat (I use it in windows too)
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15:13<petterson>themill: I fixed it ... just removed the permissions for others than the owner
15:13<petterson>themill: thanks a lot
15:13<themill>petterson: you might want to change the way it is mounted so that it's not readable by everyone.
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15:14<petterson>themill: I am the only one with access to this pendrive, and I will only use it in my own computer, do you think it is necessary?
15:15<themill>petterson: if that's the case, just put a passphrase on the key and leave it on that computer permanently. It's much easier.
15:15<themill>petterson: you can use something like keychain to prompt you for the passphrase when you first log in.
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15:17<petterson>themill: thanks
15:17<themill>no worries
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15:25<MDC__>Is it normal that ksoftirqd/0 takes 100% cpu when multicasting from a wlan?
15:26<EagleScreen>hello
15:27<petterson>themill: what do you recommend for remote administration? i.e.: tightvnc, nxserver,...?
15:27<Aleric>*sigh*
15:27<EagleScreen>i would like a command for ibtain the date at the style: 2008-06-23-21:27:14 is it possible?
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15:28<Aleric>I am trying to make a little movie, a screen capture (using xvidcap)... and that works fine. However, no matter what I do, in what format I record it, no windows user seems to be able to play it :/
15:28<themill>petterson: I only ever use ssh for that. I occasionally use x11vnc to use visual things on my work computer from home but that's just to look at what's currently in iceweasel or something, not for administration.
15:28<Aleric>They try all their players - and everything fails.
15:28<Aleric>wtf is this?
15:28<zulu>I'm playing with X11 forwarding and ssh and I'm pretty happy with it, but when remotely running firefox, it run locally !@#$? how is that possible?
15:28<EagleScreen>with date --rfc-3339=seconds i obtain 2008-06-23 21:28:08+02:00
15:28<petterson>themil: thank you
15:29<EagleScreen>i think the +02:00 string is not necessary for me, how can i filter to delete it??
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15:30<Aleric>EagleScreen: man date
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15:30<themill>EagleScreen: the timezone is always necessary in the date format if you want people to know what time you actually mean
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15:31<themill>Aleric: what codec do you tell it to use?
15:31<EagleScreen>in man date i cannot find that information
15:31<zulu>I run xclock remotely, it's ok, I run firefox in the same ssh prompt, it run localy ????
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15:31<pablo>hi, is debian´s spiral a tredmarked logo and non-free?
15:32<Aleric>themill: I just record it as foo.mpg. The resulting codec is: [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4)
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15:32<themill>zulu: firefox has some tricky "see if there's a local copy running" stuff in it which is biting you. There's a cmd line arg to disable that but I can't remember what it is. Try man firefox or look in the source code for /usr/bin/firefox
15:32<Cyorxamp>pablo: see http://www.debian.org/logos/
15:33<Aleric>themill: If I record a .avi, mplayer tells me it's: [ffmp42] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MSMPEG-4 v2)
15:33<themill>Aleric: istr divx is problematic for windows. You could try transcoding it...
15:33<zulu>ok themill, I will try that..
15:33<Aleric>themill: To what?
15:34<jthomas>I have a Debian 4.0 Stable (etch) system that I am working on; python 2.5 doesn't work when I run "prompt>>> import gd" but apt-get install python-gd says it is the newest version, any ideas?
15:34<Aleric>.avi is Microsoft's format... how on earth can't they play that?
15:34<jthomas>Same issue with mysqldb
15:34<zulu>themill killing the local session was enough, I wonder how they can do that!
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15:35<pablo>Cyorxamp: i see, thanks
15:35<Cyorxamp>np
15:35<themill>Aleric: avi is only a container format. You can stick all sorts of shit inside it. (like tiff, if you've had the 1990s incompatible tiff experience)
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15:36*Kalessin have finally found his mistake by reading man apt-preferences
15:36<Kalessin>:o
15:36<themill>Kalessin: yay for docs :)
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15:36<Aleric>themill: Ok, so what should I use to be sure everyone can just play it?
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15:37<themill>Aleric: nfc. Sorry. I don't know what codecs xvidcap supports.
15:37<Kalessin>wait, maybe not :x
15:38<Aleric>themill: Not asking about xvidcap... I can transcode it. I just want to know what windows players CAN play - if you know that. I don't, I never had windows.
15:38<jthomas>Aleric: I don't think there is a single, standard format... Mpeg4 or mpeg1 or mpeg2 are all pretty compatible I think, because they're older...
15:38<Kalessin>i pin a package (from an external repo) with 110, this package is not yet installed so it should override the package from official repo isn'it ?
15:38<Kalessin> 0 < P <=100
15:38<Kalessin> causes a version to be installed only if there is no installed version of the package
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15:38<Aleric>jthomas: Well, I think my last attempt is Mpeg4, but themill says it's divx and that is problematic(?)
15:39<themill>Aleric: Ahh. I have the same problem of not having windoze machines around to test.
15:39<jthomas>could be
15:39<petterson>themill: Is it possible to connect through ssh and then open a graphical window?
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15:40<themill>Aleric: I do have one that I recorded ages ago that does work on windows that mplayer identifies as: [ffvideo1] vfm: ffmpeg (Microsoft Video 1 (native codec)) perhaps that helps...
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15:40<Aleric>ffvideo1 - heh
15:41<jthomas>petterson: yes, if SSH is using X-Forwarding; you can have it do so with "ssh -X user@address"
15:41<themill>petterson: please ask the channel not just me if it's a new question. The answer is yes, if you forward X connections through your ssh connection. use ssh -X hostname
15:41<pablo>Cyorxamp: firefox has been renamed due to its artwork right? it has no alternative free artwork as debian?
15:41<petterson>themill: sorry about asking directly to you :)
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15:42<themill>petterson: no worries. If things weren't so busy atm it wouldn't be a problem. although I might not be around, of course....
15:42<Cyorxamp>pablo: firefox has been forked as iceweasel which has its own imagery
15:42<themill>dpkg: tell petterson about sshx
15:43<Ebola_>hello, i'm thinking about installing Debian but i have i Microsoft Sidewinder mouse. Should i give up before i even started?
15:43<pablo>Cyorxamp: right, why why dont use firefox? because its non-free imagery?
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15:43<Cyorxamp>pablo, thats only part of it
15:43<pablo>Cyorxamp: doesnt firefox have an alternative free imagery such as debian`s?
15:44<Cyorxamp>pablo: Full story of why it happened is here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian
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15:45<Cyorxamp>pablo: Essentially Mozilla didn't like the distro's using the Firefox name without the Firefox logo... so Mozilla gave a choice of use the fox - or don't use it any of it... so some people forked it and called it iceweasel instead - apparently security fixes exist in iceweasel too that arn't in firefox that debian felt more appropriate
15:46<Cyorxamp>pablo: there is also IceCat as well as IceWeasel, IceCat is the GNU's attempt at a totally free Firefox
15:46<Kalessin>actually yay for the manpage \o/
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15:50<pablo>Cyorxamp: but cant still be used a free firefox logo (globe). http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/branding/unofficial/
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15:50<Cyorxamp>pablo: the globe can still be used as thats not copyright, its just the firefox trademark name can not be used in conjunction with anything but the firefox logo
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15:52<Aleric>argh
15:52<jthomas>Ebola_: what does the mouse do special?
15:53<Aleric>transcoding doesn't work :/
15:53<Aleric>It get just a green output
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15:53<Ebola_>jthomas: well, change dpi on the fly and it's a microsoft mouse.
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15:53<jthomas>I have a Debian 4.0 Stable (etch) system that I am working on; python 2.5 doesn't work when I run "prompt>>> import gd" but apt-get install python-gd says it is the newest version, any ideas? mysqldb has the same errors.
15:53<Woet>is there any way to recover a root password?
15:54<Woet>i got a dedicated server, and made a typo while changing it
15:54<jthomas>Ebola_: the DPI thing likely won't work, and if the mouse has more than three buttons they won't work without mapping them to some function; but as a regular mouse it should work
15:55<jthomas>Woet if you're root now you can; or do you maybe have an SSH key?
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15:55<Woet>i logged out without checking
15:55<Woet>and I dont have a SSH key
15:55<Supaplex>ewps
15:55<Woet>:+
15:55<themill>dpkg: tell Woet about ifrp
15:55<jthomas>Woet are you on-location? Booting into single user mode will give you root...
15:56<Ebola_>jthomas: okey.. but if i can use it as a regular mouse that's fine. Well, u can record macro with the mouse to :P
15:56<Woet>its in a datacentre
15:56<Woet>so i cant access it either
15:56<jthomas>Ebola_: not sure about recording OS-wide macros, that is amlost certainly a different app on a Linux system, not part of a mouse driver
15:56<Woet>i might be able to contact my host
15:56<Woet>but that will cost me quite a lot
15:57<maxb>Cyorxamp: The interesting thing that's missing from that wikipedia article is "But then how does Ubuntu get away with it?". Don't suppose you have any references re that question?
15:57<Ebola_>jthomas: okey..
15:57<pablo>Cyorxamp: 1) can debian free logo be used with the debian trademark name? 2) if both icecat and iceweasel are free software why are they separate projects?
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15:57<jthomas>Woet do you have other users on that box with SUDO access?
15:58<Cyorxamp>maxb: they got away with it for a release or two until mozilla got annoyed - I think the later ones have the normal firefox logo now
15:58<Woet>jthomas: i got a few SSH users on there
15:58<jthomas>with sudo ?
15:58<Woet>yea
15:58<Woet>but the problem is, I cant access SSH
15:58<maxb>There's still the "approval of security updates" issue, though?
15:58<jthomas>log in as them and run "sudo su" and you're root.
15:58<Woet>its allowusers on root
15:58<themill>Woet: do they have the ability to do anything via sudo or only a few things?
15:58<Cyorxamp>pablo, the swirl can be used wherever you like as can the debian name which I don't think is a trademark
15:58<Woet>themill: only a few things, and I wont be able to login into SSH for other users then root
15:59<Cyorxamp>pablo: gnuzilla and debian both thought of making a 'free firefox' at the same time - they haven't merged their efforts
15:59<themill>Woet: what sorts of things do you allow sudo for?
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15:59<Woet>themill: its just a adduser
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16:00<pablo>Cyorxamp: why havent they merged?
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16:00<Cyorxamp>pablo: you'd have to ask them
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16:01<pablo>Cyorxamp: ok.
16:01<themill>Woet: nothing else... then you're in trouble...
16:02<pablo>Cyorxamp: so the problem is in changing the firefox source right?
16:02<Woet>themill: I need to email my datacentre, I assume
16:02<jthomas>Yeah Woet I think you're kinda stuck
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16:02<themill>pablo: the problem is in changing the source and using the firefox name or logos
16:02<Cyorxamp>pablo: no its not hard to rebrand mozilla firefox into something else - just a couple images and a variable really
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16:03<overflow>Hi, Is everything Ok with lenny gcc version update? I didn't want to dist-upgrade because of that.
16:03<stevecotton>Woet: is there any group that would give them more sudo permissions (and can they add themselves to it with adduser)?
16:03<Woet>stevecotton: i cant login into SSH besides root
16:04<Woet>and I made a typo in the root password
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16:04<stevecotton>The "adduser" command can add existing users to existing groups.
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16:05<jthomas>but he cannot get in as anyone except root, and he cannot get in as root now
16:05<themill>stevecotton: only if you can log in to use it, which seems to be a problem...
16:05<gleb>hi!
16:05<jthomas>hello!
16:05<themill>dpkg: greet gleb
16:05<dpkg>G'day, gleb
16:05<dondelelcaro>overflow: there's nothing obviously wrong with it.
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16:06<themill>overflow: do you have lots of custom fortran code?
16:06<overflow>nope :P
16:06<themill>overflow: then the g77/gfortran transition is irrelevant. Do you have lots of custom C++ code?
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16:07<stevecotton>I may be misreading - I thought there were a couple of existing (and accessible) users who were allowed to sudo for adduser.
16:07<overflow>themill, don't think so
16:07<gleb>dpkg: there's night at Saint-Petersburg :)
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16:07<themill>stevecotton: so did I... but apparently not
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16:08<themill>overflow: then the increasing strictness of g++ won't be a problem either. What problems were you expecting?
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16:09<pablo>Cyorxamp: ok thank you vey much for the info
16:09<Cyorxamp>np
16:09<overflow>themill, broken libraries maybe?
16:09<themill>overflow: from what?
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16:12<jthomas>overflow just seems a bit nervous about the dist-upgrade in general, i think
16:12<gleb>it's something wrong with packages base-files, base-passwd & dpkg in my Debian
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16:12<gleb>error message is: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6
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16:12<dpkg>gleb: I give up, what is it?
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16:14<themill>Woet: are you sure that the password changed? If you made a typo once, then it won't have changed the password as it asks you for the password twice.
16:14<Woet>im sure it changed
16:15<Woet>i just made the same typo 2 times
16:15<Woet>:((
16:15<Woet>on 2 boxes either
16:15<Woet>even **
16:15<themill>Woet: Can you make the typo again? Do you have any idea what it might be?
16:15<jthomas>so it sounds like you know what the typo was?
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16:15<Woet>have been trying to make all possible combinations already
16:15<overflow>themill, jthomas: yes, just been a little bit paranoid
16:15<Woet>for ~ 3 hours
16:16<jthomas>overflow: what does the system run? webserver? dns? mailserver? desktop?
16:16<themill>Woet: sounds like you really should have something like fail2ban installed too to prevent bruteforce attacks...
16:16<Woet>well, i try 5 passwords
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16:16<Woet>then it disconnects me
16:16<overflow>jthomas, workstation
16:17<themill>Woet: fail2ban would stop ssh talking to you for 15 minutes or so if you had more than 3 or 4 failed attempts. /msg dpkg fail2ban
16:17<Woet>well
16:17<Woet>i dont have that
16:17<themill>Woet: no. Next time though...
16:18<jthomas>workstation... I'd just do it. But hey who knows ;) Is it your own? Do it over night or something so that you have time to fix it?
16:18<Woet>sorry?
16:18<jthomas>or overflow do you have a seperate hard drive and you could try it there, or just clean install there?
16:19<Woet>its a server in a datacentre
16:19<Woet>~ 100 miles away from me
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16:20<overflow>jthomas, just clean install :s
16:20<jthomas>it is a clean install already? do it maan, its an easy reinstall if it goes pearshaped
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16:21<themill>overflow: you only just installed lenny? why lenny not etch?
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16:24<overflow>themill, I like to try to fix bugs .. but right now I've not time to try to keep my system running
16:24<overflow>that's why I prefer not upgrade right now without asking first
16:24<themill>overflow: sounds fair. Lenny is in quite good shape.
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16:27<jthomas>yes I have been on lenny with four systems for a few months now, and often dist-upgrade without issues
16:28<overflow>thanks
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16:30<maxb>I've been on lenny since etch was released, dist-upgrading something between weekly and daily at various points, with only the occasional glitch :-)
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16:31<gizmokaka>this is my sensors output how am i supposed to know what is my cpu temperature???
16:31<gizmokaka>
16:31<gizmokaka>http://paste.debian.net/7385
16:31<gizmokaka>i am running on E8400 with p35 chipset by nvidia
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16:36<gizmokaka>does anyone have a clue?
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16:37<gizmokaka>http://paste.debian.net/7385
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16:38<PetaWindows>gizmokaka: I suppose it is the first one 41?
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16:39<gizmokaka>PetaWindows: that's just it, supposing isn't what i want
16:39<gizmokaka>and according to bios it's more likely the 34 is the cpu
16:40<gizmokaka>why doesn't it look like it should, something like core cpu temp
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16:40<gizmokaka>something more clear as it should be
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16:43<gizmokaka>also i don't see the system fan speed
16:43<gizmokaka>and it is turning
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16:44<PetaWindows>githogori: my sensors output says: "CPU 40?" just in the line where yours says "Temp2 34?"
16:44<PetaWindows>ups sorry
16:45<PetaWindows>gizmokaka: that message above was for you
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16:47<gizmokaka>thanks
16:47<gizmokaka>but why is my output not clear like yours?
16:47<gizmokaka>any known reason, and fix?
16:47<gizmokaka>PetaWindows:
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16:48<PetaWindows>gizmokaka: well, my outpot isn't clear either.... Because it calls "Temp3" instead of "Hard Disk blabla" or something like this
16:48<PetaWindows>*output
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16:49<PetaWindows>gizmokaka: and another sensors is called "M/B Temp"... I have no idea what M/B means.. :\
16:50<themill>motherboard?
16:50<gizmokaka>got you
16:50<PetaWindows>themill: ohhh..... possible :D
16:50<PetaWindows>thx
16:50<gizmokaka>so you say i should be satisfied :)
16:50<themill>PetaWindows: it's just a guess...
16:50<gizmokaka>well then thanks man
16:51<PetaWindows>themill: good guess...
16:52<themill>:)
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16:57<gizmokaka>so this sensors blof, it's not worth much
16:57<gizmokaka>you can't really rely on what you see from that
16:58<gizmokaka>can any one tell me please how can i install the gtk+12 on debian??? i am trying for weeks now with no success
16:58<gizmokaka>i need it to install the firefox 3
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16:59<themill>!firefox 3 etch
16:59<dpkg>Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it
16:59-!-xrcode [~blunt@bas1-sudbury98-1128712564.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #debian
16:59<PetaWindows>wow, dpkg is really helpful xD
16:59<gizmokaka>thanks
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17:00<gizmokaka>yeh he is a good user :)
17:00<cogwheel>yep dpkg rules
17:00<PetaWindows>I love when he says
17:00<PetaWindows>!ask
17:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
17:00<PetaWindows>he or she? :S
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17:01<cogwheel>methinks !u is funny
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17:01<gizmokaka>it's a bot, so i juess it's an IT
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17:01<PetaWindows>:(
17:02*MotoHoss thinks dpkg 'tis a bit obedient... for an average user.
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17:03<gizmokaka>yeh
17:03<gizmokaka>OK good night guys\girls
17:03<wnd>don't forget bots
17:04<gizmokaka>true
17:04<jthomas>lol
17:04<gizmokaka>night dpkg :)
17:04<gizmokaka>!goodnight
17:04<dpkg>gnight, or something said when a person is leaving for the night
17:04<gizmokaka>LOL
17:04<gizmokaka>didn't know it will come
17:04<gizmokaka>was trying to be funny :)
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17:05<jimisrvrox>I need some help getting my screen to stay put! everytime I come back on to linux I have to resize my monitor to see the scrollbar on the right sidee!
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17:10<dev-not>hi
17:10<dev-not>does debian support 4-channel audio?
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17:12<witte>dev-not: probably that is more linux related than debian related. But I think it should, depending on your card (I'm an audio-noob...)
17:12<dev-not>k
17:12<yohann>hello, any git user here ?
17:12<witte>dev-not: have a look at the alsa-project.org website for your card, maybe it is mentioned there
17:12<dev-not>well, i have alsa working right now
17:13<dev-not>just wanna know if i can use headphones and speakers at the same time
17:13<witte>dev-not: card info you find using lspci |grep -i audio
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17:14<dev-not>then what?
17:14<dev-not>i mean why?
17:14<yohann>I'm on etch and when I configure my email address, it does not appear in git format-patch
17:14<darac>Does anyone here know why DPKG appears to be doing everything twice? For example, I run "dpkg-reconfigure" and it tells me "please specify a package to reconfigure" twice. It's doing this for other things too, configuring packages twice and so on.
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17:14<witte>dev-not: you can google with that line to search for references on the web, mention channel, and maybe the answer is given...
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17:18<darac>I'm wondering if I have a stray .dpkg-old file somewhere that's duplicating functionality, but I don't know where to look for that.
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17:18<witte>darac: what are you trying to do in fact?
17:19<witte>darac: you run dpkg-reconfigure without arguments?
17:19<darac>Yep.
17:19<witte>darac: why
17:19<darac>To get a simple case. An easily repeatable way to reproduce the bug.
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17:20<witte>darac: which debian are you running?
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17:20<darac>As I said, this happens even when installing packages through e.g. aptitude. Which means that daemon packages won't install because, on the second run, they determine that they're already running.
17:21<darac>Sid
17:21<darac>And yes, I am aware that that could cause problems, but this bug's existed for a few months now.
17:21<witte>darac: i don't have that bug on my system
17:22-!-gleb_ [~gleb@vpn02-gw.airnet.ru] has joined #debian
17:22<witte>and if it is a few months old, it should be in the bug tracking system. Did you check that?
17:22<darac>I've had a look, but can't find anything that matches.
17:22<gleb_>hi
17:22<PetaWindows>good bye people!
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17:23<gleb_> it's something wrong with packages base-files, base-passwd & dpkg in my Debian
17:23<darac>And I feel a little silly raising a bug without having done some investigation into the problem myself.
17:23<witte>darac: still, i don't think it is a bug, as i don't have it, so it must be something on your system
17:23<gleb_>error message is: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6
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17:24<gleb_>couls you help me, please?
17:24<darac>That's what I'm thinking, too, witte.
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17:24<darac>I'm just hoping for a clue as to where to start.
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17:25<witte>darac: you could try to debug the perl file that is dpkg-reconfigure if you fancy perl debugging
17:25<witte>darac: it is in /usr/sbin
17:25<darac>Ah. I didn't know it was perl. I'll have a look there.
17:25<witte>darac: you could copy it, and try to find out where it does the double config
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17:27<Razesdark>Hello, noob here. I just installed Debian, i need some help getting my Audio running.
17:27<witte>darac: and the directory you should also check is /etc/apt
17:27<witte>gleb_: can you upload your complete error to a pastebin
17:27<witte>!tell gleb_ about pastebin
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17:28<witte>Razesdark: install alsa and alsa-utils, and run alsaconf
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17:28<Razesdark>witte: Done, done and done.
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17:28<Razesdark>alsaconf cant find my card.
17:28<blarson>darac: probably asking the questions both in pre-config and config.
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17:29<witte>darac: to be sure, you can test dpkg-reconfigure gdm, that does nothing wrong...
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17:29<darac>blarson, Would that explain trying to start a daemon twice?
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17:29<witte>Razesdark: which card, and did you check the alsa documentation for that card?
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17:30<witte>Razesdark: which kernel, you could try upgrading to the backports.org kernel if you are on etch
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17:32<Razesdark>witte: Kernel, 2.6.18-6-686. im trying to find the documentation for the Motherboard now. Soundcard is on that. I havent checked docs for it.
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17:33<witte>Razesdark: lspci | grep -i audio
17:34<Razesdark>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Unknown device 293e (rev 02)
17:34<gleb_>witte: but that's single string about error
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17:34<themill>Razesdark: can you provide lspci -nn for that device
17:34-!-krisg [~emailmy@58.69.54.52] has joined #debian
17:34<witte>gleb_: you don't get any more errors? and what were you doing at that moment
17:35<witte>Razesdark: update-pciids
17:35<witte>Razesdark: than run again
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17:35<Razesdark>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
17:36<gleb_>witte: I tried to reinstall currupted packages base-files, base-passwd & dpkg with their dependences
17:36<witte>Razesdark: and those intel devices really like newer drivers
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17:36<witte>Razesdark: try to upgrade using backports.org
17:36<Razesdark>backports?
17:36<witte>gleb_: which debian, and what were you doing that got you in that mess?
17:36<witte>!backports
17:36<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
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17:37<Razesdark>thank you
17:37<Razesdark>ill try.
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17:39<vook>Razesdark: what's the issue with the audio?
17:39<gleb_>witte: it's Lenny. It happened after I had upgraded distro by 'apt-get upgrade'
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17:39*vook has the same audio chipset
17:39<Razesdark>alsaconf fails, it can not find the device
17:39<witte>gleb_: if you want to go from etch to lenny, you need to do apt-get dist-upgrade
17:40<witte>etch->lenny
17:40<witte>!etch->lenny
17:40<witte>ok, no dpkg entry for that yet :P
17:40<vook>Razesdark: have you loaded snd_hda_intel
17:41<witte>vook: are you also using 2.6.18 kernel?
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17:41<themill>dpkg: etch->lenny
17:41<dpkg>etch->lenny is probably First, see <apt-listbugs> and lenny release notes. Edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, `aptitude update` and `aptitude dist-upgrade`. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening.
17:41<darac>Ah. I think the KDE debconf interface is at fault.
17:41<vook>I also have snd_pcm_oss, snd_pcm, snd_mixer_oss loaded - eh, nope - 2.6.24
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17:41<gleb_>witte: i set up lenny primordial
17:42<witte>themill: why did the !etch->lenny not work?
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17:42<themill>witte: not sure
17:42<themill>!ping
17:42<Razesdark>vook: how?
17:42<dpkg>pong
17:42<themill>witte: because dpkg hates you?
17:42<witte>gleb_: ok
17:42<vook>Razesdark: I'm apparently not running the same kernel that you are. 2.6.24-1
17:42<witte>!botslap
17:42<dpkg>:(
17:43<Razesdark>ok
17:43<krisg>hi if you type in an iptables commandline, then reboot your computer. do i need to type it again, or will it write something into a file so i dont need to type it again
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17:44<witte>gleb_: still, upload the complete output of the command you did to a pastebin, that one line wont help i guess...
17:45<luxh>krisg: you will have to type it in again
17:45<krisg>thanks
17:45<gleb_>witte: i'll try
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17:54<Razesdark>W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
17:54<gleb_>witte: it's http://pastebin.org/45682
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17:54<themill>Razesdark: keep reading the rest of the backports.org instructions on their website
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17:57<witte>gleb_: i find that output strange, do you get the same results if you do: LANG=C apt-get ...
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17:58<witte>gleb_: and try an apt-get update; next and apt-get install libc6, and see what that gives
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18:05<gleb_>witte: the output is here: http://pastebin.org/45685
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18:06<witte>gleb_: ok, so run apt-get -f install
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18:08<gleb_>witte:it's: http://pastebin.org/45686
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18:09<witte>gleb_: and what did you do to get your system like this? as far as I know lenny is not that broken by default :-)
18:10<witte>gleb_: you can try to install those packages (coreutils gawk gcc-4.3-base libacl1 libattr1 libc6 libgcc1 libselinux1) one by one manually
18:10<witte>gleb_: dpkg -i <filename>, and the files are in /var/cache/apt/archives
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18:22<Bladesman>Are they ever going to update the LSB so the doc directory actually carries docs instead of just copyright notices?
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18:29<Dasmoover>Hey, whats the key command to drop to a shell/
18:30<Dasmoover>my xorg is borked and i cant boot
18:30<dondelelcaro>Dasmoover: ctrl-alt-f1 or similar.
18:30<Dasmoover>ok ill try
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18:31<Dasmoover>that isn't doing anything
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18:32<witte>Dasmoover: strange, do you have an other pc you can use to log in on the broken pc using ssh?
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18:33<gleb_>witte: plese, look at this: http://pastebin.org/45689
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18:33<blarson>Dasmoover: control-alt-backspace should kill X.
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18:34<witte>gleb_: let me repeat my question of earlier? what did you do with your system? did you manually compile libc and installed it or something?
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18:36<Dasmoover>blarson: thats what i thought at first, but the command seems to do nothing, im stuck at a black screen and it reboots after two minutes
18:36<gleb_>witte: no, I didn't. I made apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
18:36<witte>gleb_: did you try a dist-upgrade already?
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18:37<witte>gleb_: the error you get seems strange to me
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18:39<tyler>I've got a question--I just got my wireless card installed in the comp. from here, I'm clueless as to where to start. I know I need to get wireless-tools, but how do I find the module I need? lspci yields: 00:0e.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
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18:39<witte>!rt61
18:39<dpkg>The legacy driver for Ralink RT2561 (rt61) chipsets is at http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/IS_Linux_STA_6x_D_1.1.1.0.tar.gz, enhanced legacy driver is at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt61-cvs-daily.tar.gz. Note that firmware is required for the enhanced driver: http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT61_Firmware_V1.2.zip. Also ask me about <rt2x00>.
18:40<witte>!rt2x00
18:40<dpkg>The rt2x00 project (http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/) provides next-generation drivers (rt2x00) for the <Ralink> rt2400, rt2500, rt2570, rt61 and rt73 chipsets. Etch: Packaged in Debian as 'rt2x00-source', read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian for compilation instructions. Lenny: Drivers included as from kernel 2.6.24. Also ask about <ralink firmware>.
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18:41<tyler>well, danky!
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18:44<gleb_>witte: the output of dist-upgrade is: http://pastebin.org/45692
18:44<xrcode>!iproute2
18:45<witte>gleb_: what is the output of "dpkg -l |grep libc6"
18:45<gleb_>nothing
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18:46<themill>bad.....very bad
18:46<witte>gleb_: ok, so it seems dpkg is somehow not knowing what it has installed
18:47<abrotman>he should have a status file as a backup he can put back
18:47<abrotman>or he did that intentionally
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18:48<witte>abrotman: which file is that? /var/lib/dpkg/status?
18:49<abrotman>he should backup the current one .. and cp the status-old
18:49<abrotman>he can also check the status-old to see what it says about libc6
18:49<abrotman>which might be a good first step
18:51<gleb_>abrotman: and how to do it?
18:51<witte>gleb_: you heard what abrotman told: first check /var/lib/dpkg/status-old for what it has on libc6, next cp /var/lib/dpkg/status /var/lib/dpkg/status_error, cp /var/lib/dpkg/status-old /var/lib/dpkg/status
18:52<abrotman>Package: libc6-i686
18:52<abrotman>Status: install ok installed
18:52<abrotman>or similar
18:53<witte>gleb_: and i still don't believe you did nothing to achieve this, although it also could be a disk error which happens to occur in that location (if you get everything right, you might want to run a fsck)
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18:54<witte>abrotman: i don't know if you had seen this error from gleb_, he pasted it a while ago: http://pastebin.org/45689
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18:55<abrotman>apt-cache policy libc6-i686 ?
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18:57<tyler>ok. I've got my modules installed from the rt package for wireless. how do I find out which ones I need to load, etc?
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18:58<tyler>not sure where to go from here
18:58<compaq>hi, I was wondering about changing resolutions in Lenny. I did it in gnome using grand, and it changes it, but not fully, like vlc is still showing fonts at original res. and also some others, and even gdm is still at the original resolution. I looked for xrand to try it, and it isn't there when I apt-cache search. Can I expect the same result?
18:58<witte>!ralink firmware
18:58<dpkg>Firmware is required for the rt61pci and rt73usb drivers from the <rt2x00> project. Install the <non-free> 'firmware-ralink' package (lenny, sid) or manually acquire from http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html, unextract and transfer the *.bin file(s) to /lib/firmware.
18:59<tyler>..thanks
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18:59<tyler>how is the firmware going to help? I can extract the .bin files, but then how do I get the card going?
18:59<abrotman>compaq: you'd probably have to restart xrandr
18:59<abrotman>compaq: erm .. restart vlc
18:59<gleb_>W: Unable to locate package libc6_2.7-10_i386.deb
19:00<witte>tyler: normally the drivers will be loaded when you plug the device in. The drivers are rt61pci or rt61 so
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19:01<compaq>abrotman, I rebooted even
19:01<abrotman>oh
19:01<tyler>it's pci. so just on boot? or I can modprobe?
19:01<witte>tyler: you can modprobe, but i forgot which one it was
19:02<witte>just try, it will give an error if it doesn't exist
19:02<compaq>apt-cache search xrandr
19:02<compaq>oops
19:02<witte>tyler: also depends if you used the legacy drivers or the new and open source drivers
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19:02<tyler>thanks
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19:04<PetaWindows>HI GUYS
19:05<tyler>kick-ass! got it. need to
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19:05<tyler>configure it with wireless-tools now. thanks for the help though. :)
19:05<witte>no problem
19:05<gleb_>witte: Status: install ok not-installed
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19:08<witte>gleb_: try this: dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-10_i386.deb
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19:08<witte>gleb_: note, this is very nasty and could ruin your system
19:09<witte>gleb_: make essential backups first
19:09<gleb_>witte: don't worry, it hadn't executed
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19:10<gleb_>with the same errors as without that key
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19:11<witte>gleb_: in that case i don't know how to proceed. libc6 is one of the most essential packages of your system
19:11<witte>if that is not installed correctly...
19:12<gleb_>my system is already ruined?
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19:12<witte>gleb_: yes :-)
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19:13<witte>gleb_: did you do the cp stuff from a while ago?
19:13<witte>gleb_: with the status files
19:13<witte>gleb_: maybe that can save you
19:13<gleb_>doing...
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19:14<Baltica>hola
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19:15<abrotman>!es
19:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:18<sander>Anyone know how many U a rack tower cabinet is?
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19:19<dondelelcaro>sander: depends
19:19<sander>dondelelcaro, depends upon what?
19:19<dondelelcaro>sander: depends on the case
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19:20<dondelelcaro>sander: there are no absolute standards for towers with regards to rack unit size.
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19:21<abrotman>i thought "most" full height were 48 ?
19:21<abrotman>no wait .. that seems wrong
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19:21<dondelelcaro>cabinets are generally 40-44U high
19:21<witte>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19-inch_rack
19:22<sander>..strange.. because a dedicated server price is listed as $120/month for 1 tower.. and $40 for 1 U.
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19:22<dondelelcaro>sander: yes, because towers require shelves, and aren't rackable
19:22<sander>Whats shelves?
19:22<abrotman>or the tower can be mounted sideways .. which is probably 4U or something depending on the size
19:23<dondelelcaro>abrotman: which still requires a shelf
19:23<dondelelcaro>(since very few towers are intrinsicly rackable)
19:23<abrotman>some are .. but yeah
19:24<sander>Do you guys think it means.. that if I get eg. 10x1u servers.. then I only have to pay for 1 tower?
19:25<dondelelcaro>sander: no.
19:25<dondelelcaro>sander: they're just renting space to you; furthermore, if you need 10U, then it's generally cheaper to get a cabinet of your own
19:26*abrotman doesn't see how that math works anyways
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19:27<sander>dondelelcaro, i'm buying my own cabinets.. and putting them in this server room.
19:27<sander>cabinets/servers
19:28<dondelelcaro>huh?
19:28<abrotman>but they're charging you per U ?
19:28<dondelelcaro>a cabinet isn't a server.
19:28<sander>abrotman, per U or per tower
19:29<sander>dondelelcaro, whats a cabinet then..? I Belived it was the thing around the server hardware?
19:29<abrotman>sander: if you're buying your own rack/cabinet ... i can't imagine the company is charging you per U
19:29<gleb_>witte: the status of libc6 is install ok not-installed
19:29<dondelelcaro>sander: that's a case
19:29<sander>AH. ok.
19:29<dondelelcaro>sander: when you're talking about cabinets in the context of rack mounted stuff, it's the box inside of which the rack sits. Not all racks have cabinetss
19:30<dondelelcaro>(telco racks typically do not, for example)
19:30<witte>gleb_: well, i don't really know what to do with that. maybe abrotman or dondelelcaro know, they are the experts here
19:30<abrotman>what happened when he did the force-all ?
19:31<witte>abrotman: same error he told
19:31<gleb_>abrotman: the same as without this key
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19:31<abrotman>it still says it's non-dpkg owned ?
19:31<abrotman>what was the output of the apt-cache policy libc6-i686 ?
19:31*abrotman didn't see that one
19:32<abrotman>FWIW .. i've never seen that error
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19:33<abrotman>gleb_: is this a fresh install ?
19:33<gleb_>abrotman: here you can see: http://pastebin.org/45703
19:34<gleb_>abrotman: no, i have гзпкфвув some times
19:34<abrotman>russian ?
19:34<gleb_>*upgdaded
19:34<abrotman>gleb_: apt-cache policy libc6-i686 ?
19:35<sander>Anyone have tried xandro linux here?.. I was thinking about buying an Acer Aspire One
19:36<witte>sander: our church is debian, all who pray to xandros are heretics!
19:36<gleb_>abrotman: it is http://pastebin.org/45704
19:36<nevyn>witte: linspire is worse.
19:37<abrotman>gleb_: /lib/libc.so.6 .. returns what ?
19:37<sander>witte, hehe.. Aint it abit hard to install debian on it.. without buying an external dvddrive?
19:37<abrotman>!tell sander about usb install
19:38<witte>nevyn: well, i was just kidding, but i really don't know, long time since i installed a non-debian linux...
19:38<tyler>I've got it slightly configured. it doesn't look like it's giving me an ip though. ifconfig wlan0 doesn't give an IPV4 address.
19:38<witte>sander: is it such a mini-laptop like an eee? should be doable, but i really don't know a lot about it
19:39<witte>tyler: dhclient wlan0
19:39<sander>witte, Yeah.. its a mini laptop like eee.. more like the 901 model.
19:39<tyler>I don't think it's connecting. I can see iwlist scan. and the router I want in the list
19:39<abrotman>sander: you'd ask the xandros people .. not us
19:39<witte>sander: I don't like acer, did not yet hear anything good from it...
19:41<gleb_>abrotman: it returns http://pastebin.org/45705
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19:42<abrotman>gleb_: moment
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19:42<tyler>thanks, didn't see that
19:42<tyler>DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8
19:42<tyler>it's just not making the connection to the network.
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19:43<witte>tyler: set the ssid manually using iwconfig, then try again
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19:44<abrotman>gleb_: do you have /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 or /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 ?
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19:45<gleb_>/lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 - yes
19:47<gleb_>/lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 .. is http://pastebin.org/45707, if you need it
19:48<abrotman>gleb_: dpkg -s libc6-i686 2>/dev/null | grep ^Status: | sed -e 's/^Status: \(.*\) \(.*\) \(.*\)/\3/g' .. returns ?
19:48<tyler>I've got the essid set. I'm looking for where to set the wpa... I filled out the config for wpasupplicant, it's failing to use that for some readon tthough
19:50<witte>tyler: which driver are you using? rt2x00 or rt61? and check if it supports wpa (and check if it supports wpa in your installed version)
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19:51<gleb_>abrotman: sed: read error on ..: Is a directory
19:51<gleb_>and nothing without '..'
19:52<awake>How do I find you what compile time options were used for a binary deb or set them for a source deb?
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19:53<witte>gleb_: did you copy paste the line, it worked on my system
19:53<abrotman>yeah .. the .. is my idiocy .. sorry
19:53<abrotman>argh!
19:53<abrotman>gleb_: how about .. dpkg -s libc6-xen 2>/dev/null | grep ^Status: | sed -e 's/^Status: \(.*\) \(.*\) \(.*\)/\3/g' ?
19:54<gleb_>yes, line was dpkg -s libc6-i686 2>/dev/null | grep ^Status: | sed -e 's/^Status: \(.*\) \(.*\) \(.*\)/\3/g' ..
19:54<abrotman>leave off the ..
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19:54<gleb_>dpkg -s libc6-xen 2>/dev/null | grep ^Status: | sed -e 's/^Status: \(.*\) \(.*\) \(.*\)/\3/g'
19:54<dpkg>Package: libc6-xen 2>/dev/null | grep ^Status: | sed -e 's/^Status: \(.*\) \(.*\) \(.*\)/\3/g': Status: install ok installed
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19:54<abrotman>dpkg: shuddup
19:54<dpkg>Fine, I'll be quiet.
19:54<tyler>sry. tried to restart and it booted. anyway
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19:54<witte>gleb_: and probably not libc6-xen but libc6-i686
19:54<abrotman>the preinst checks for both
19:54<tyler>wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801
19:55<tyler>when I do dhclient
19:55<abrotman>if neeither is "installed" .. it will freak out and die like he's seeing
19:55<das>hey everyone, im having a problem booting into shell after borking my xorg, debian boots into a black screen, anyway i can boot to shell?
19:55<abrotman>http://paste.debian.net/7433/
19:55<abrotman>for reference
19:55<gleb_>nothing in both cases
19:55<witte>tyler: what does dmesg tell about it
19:55<abrotman>gleb_: that's why it's bombing
19:55<gleb_>?
19:56<tyler>the only thing I see with dmesg|grep wlan0 is: wlan0: no IPv6 routers present
19:56<abrotman>gleb_: when you changed your status file .. did you alter for libc6 or libc6-i686 ?
19:56<das>anyone have an idea?
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19:57*witte was super mighty impressed about the oneliner abrotman produced earlier, now he is still impressed but somewhat less :-)
19:57<awake>das: if you just want to get into fix it, use grub to pass a boot option to get to a non graphical multiusermode or single usermode
19:58<abrotman>witte: hehe .. i can read!
19:58<abrotman>witte: i would have been lazy and just greped out the Status
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19:58<das>awake: do you happen to know the grub command?
19:58<witte>tyler: you are using etch right?
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19:58<witte>abrotman: :-)
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19:59<gleb_>abrotman: I did only 'mv status status-error && mv status-old status'
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20:00<awake>das: on my system I usualy selct the sungle user mode menue entery, or you can pass the boot option "single"
20:01<abrotman>gleb_: in the /var/lib/dpkg/status .. (this might end up really bad .. but your system isn't happy now .. so .. off we go) .. find the "Package: libc6-i686" .. and alter the file to change the Status to "Status: install ok installed"
20:01<abrotman>gleb_: then save the file .. and we'll try those commands above again
20:01<abrotman>gleb_: and please tell me you've backedup important data first :)
20:01<Sutol>awake: isn't non-graphical multiuser more advisable so he can also have irc open etc?
20:01<witte>!i forgot root's password
20:01<dpkg>1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same.
20:02<abrotman>witte: ifrp is way shorter
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20:03<witte>abrotman: yeah, and more recent
20:03<witte>!ifrp
20:03<dpkg>[ifrp] 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For Lilo (e.g. pre-sarge): in step 1, 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting). Steps 2-6 are the same
20:03<witte>das: ^^ that was for you
20:03<awake>Sutol: you'r right but I don't know those command options off the top of my head
20:03<abrotman>they're the same
20:03<abrotman>or should be
20:03<abrotman>grr
20:03<gleb_>abrotman: I must back-up all important data before it?
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20:04<witte>das: you don't need to set up a new password, but the procedure will give you a root shell
20:04<abrotman>gleb_: well .. it won't make your system likely any worse than it currently is
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20:05*abrotman really wonders how this happened .. but whatever
20:05<gleb_>but my /home will be OK, woun't it?
20:05<abrotman>should be .. this is a core system library .. so worst thing is that you boot a liveCD .. get your stuff .. and reinstall
20:05<witte>gleb_: is your home on a separate disk?
20:05<abrotman>or reinstall without overwriting /home/ (assuming a separate partition)
20:05<witte>gleb_: or separate partition
20:05<gleb_>no, just on another partition
20:06<abrotman>but even still .. he should be able to get it with a liveCD .. even if the installation never boots again
20:06<gleb_>/dev/sd3
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20:06<gleb_>*/dev/sda3
20:06<witte>abrotman: agreed, but other partition is probably the best thing (if this is not going to work, i guess a new install would be advisable)
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20:07<gleb_>OK, I'll edit this file
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20:10<gleb_>witte: but package is called libc6
20:10<witte>gleb_: huh?
20:10<gleb_>so, I changes it's status
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20:11<abrotman>gleb_: are you using vi ?
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20:11<gleb_>vim
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20:11<abrotman>gleb_: grep "Package: libc6" /var/lib/dpkg/status .. how many lines ?
20:12-!-mode/#debian [+l 346] by debhelper
20:12<gleb_>one
20:13<abrotman>gleb_: just libc6 ?
20:13<gleb_>yes
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20:14<abrotman>gleb_: maybe it's as simple as moving the " /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6" somewhere else
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20:14<awake>away
20:15<abrotman>no
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20:16<abrotman>hrm ..
20:17<gleb_>abrotman: you mean, copy that file anywhere
20:17<gleb_>?
20:17<abrotman>no .. i mean move
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20:18<abrotman>i'm not sure you can tell the difference between libc6 and libc6-i686 with jsut the /lib/libc.so.6 output
20:19<abrotman>gleb_: paste the output of `ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc*`
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20:20<gleb_>abrotman: it's here: http://pastebin.org/45719
20:21<abrotman>see you had the libc6-i686 installed at one point ..
20:21<abrotman>if you removed it .. it should have taken that file
20:22<abrotman>gleb_: md5sum /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
20:22<gleb_>552da47945ca8c519e922464fee490bf
20:22<abrotman>you have lenny's libc6-i686 there
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20:23<witte>abrotman: he is running lenny...
20:23<abrotman>yeah .. but his status file knows nothing about libc6-i686
20:23<abrotman>gleb_: what happens if you `aptitude install libc6-i686` ?
20:23<witte>abrotman: well, i have no idea how you can get to that status and do that unwillingly
20:23<witte>:-)
20:24<abrotman>witte: beer
20:24<abrotman>on my system .. the libc6-i686 has no preinst file
20:25<witte>abrotman: on mine neither
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20:25<gleb_>E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6
20:25<gleb_>A package failed to install. Trying to recover: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 95 package `libc6': missing version
20:26<abrotman>gleb_: paste that section of the file
20:26<abrotman>Version: 2.7-10
20:26<abrotman>is what it likely should be
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20:28<gleb_>Package: libc6
20:28<gleb_>Status: install ok installed
20:28<gleb_>Priority: required
20:28<gleb_>Section: libs
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20:28<gleb_>sorry
20:28<abrotman>gleb_: http://paste.debian.net/7434/
20:28<abrotman>is mine
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20:33<abrotman>gleb_: any better luck ?
20:33<gleb_>abrotman: 'dpkg-query: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 95 package `libc6': missing version' is mine
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20:34*witte wonders if you can rebuild the status file
20:34<abrotman>!rebuild status
20:34<abrotman>it's there
20:34<abrotman>!repair status
20:34<abrotman>!very fubar status file
20:34<dpkg>ls /usr/share/doc | grep -v [A-Z] | grep -v '^texmf$' | grep -v '^debian$' |awk '{print $1 " install"}' |dpkg --set-selections then: # dselect --expert, or use this when all your backups of dpkg's status files are corrupt, or try the status file(s) in /var/backups first
20:34<themill>heh
20:34<abrotman>gleb_: i was implying you should make your libc6 stanza look like mine
20:35<hachi>anyone know why ssh-agent on debian doesn't have key comments anymore
20:35<hachi>they're just gone
20:35<gleb_>OK? I'll search for any close to it
20:36<zero_>hey im running ubuntu (banned from that channel because of kids) but my display is at 800x600, its a laptop, how do i get it baqck to 1440x900?
20:36<hachi>zero_: xrandr -s 1440x900 ?
20:36<abrotman>zero_: you ask #ubuntu .. there is one on freenode and one here .. or you ask ##linux
20:37<zero_>thansk abrotman
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20:42<abrotman>gleb_: are you crying yet?
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20:43<gleb_>abrotman: I found http://paste.debian.net/7435/ in one of the backups
20:44<gleb_>shouls I change the package description in status onto it?
20:44<abrotman>i was going to have you try to reinstall/install libc6-i686
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20:45<gleb_>abrotman: but it doesn't install
20:46<Master_TuX>hi, My question is I want to mount a server I recommend debian netinstallin but not down where the latest stable version and in Spanish, someone can help me
20:46<abrotman>because your status file is messed
20:46<abrotman>!es
20:46<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:47<hachi>is there a way I can get to old versions of an openssh-client package?
20:47<witte>!archives
20:47<dpkg>i heard archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/
20:47<Master_TuX>I'm sorry but in the debian-es channel is apparently no one, no one answered, so I come here with you
20:48<hachi>nobody on the planet seems to be aware that we lost the key comments
20:48<witte>hachi: not archives, but something else, one moment
20:48<abrotman>!sdn
20:48<dpkg>somebody said snapshots was an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information.
20:48<abrotman>Master_TuX: you want the netinst?
20:49<witte>ok, i finally found it, just to notice that abrotman already put it here :P
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20:49<abrotman>sorry .. i have a bad memory
20:50<witte>nothing to say sorry about, i am just too slow
20:50<witte>:-)
20:50<Master_TuX>yes abrotman , please the adress web so im noobs,
20:50<abrotman>!d-i
20:50<dpkg>4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>.
20:50<witte>!bedtime
20:50<dpkg>from memory, bedtime is set to be 0:50:54 witte so get to bed!
20:51*abrotman wakes up themill
20:51<themill>huh?
20:52<abrotman>yay!
20:52<abrotman>gleb_: any farther along ?
20:53<gleb_>abrotman: nothing new
20:53<abrotman>gleb_: what are you currently working on?
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20:54<gleb_>i pasted section about libc6-i686 in status-file & saved
20:55<thecreator>ok. I've set my iwconfig enc key to the wpa key for my router, and it shows that it's on the essid. not sure how to do much from here... I'm still not receiving an IP address
20:55<abrotman>gleb_: and ?
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20:55<gleb_>maybe, change libc6-i686 onto libc6?
20:55<abrotman>nope
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20:55<abrotman>what's the error now ?
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20:56<gleb_>abrotman: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6
20:56<thecreator>any ideas on how to obtain an IP? I'm really confused with where to go. docs are rather sparce in this area
20:56<abrotman>gleb_: remember when we first started and i said to backup your status file before we copied over it ? .. did you do that ?
20:57<gleb_>yes
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20:57<abrotman>backup the one you currently have .. then put the original back .. then `aptitude install libc6-i686`
20:58<gleb_>OK
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21:02<abrotman>gleb_: and ?
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21:02<gleb_>a moment
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21:04<gleb_>abrotman: libacl1 depends on libattr1 (>= 2.4.41-1); however: Package libattr1 is not installed.
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21:04<gleb_>libacl1 depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1); however: Package libc6 is not installed.
21:05<abrotman>okay .. take the section about libc6-i686 you showed me earlier .. and append that to the bottom of your status file (make sure you have a backup first)
21:06<abrotman>don't forget the space between stanzas
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21:08<gleb_>abrotman: done
21:08<abrotman>and .. aptitude install libc6 .. works ?
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21:09<gleb_>abrotman: probably yes, but I'm not sure
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21:10<abrotman>are you going to try? or just leave me hanging ?
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21:12<das>hey, whats the best way to configure my xorg.conf? i've been trying a few days bow with my old ubuntu's twinview conf
21:12<gleb_>sorry. I tryed. It say only abott mistake with CD-repository, no more error messages. That means, it works?
21:12<abrotman>paste the output ?
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21:15<gleb_>i'm afraid, thre's no changes: http://pastebin.org/45724
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21:15<das> anyone help?
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21:15<das>hey, whats the best way to configure my xorg.conf? i've been trying a few days bow with my old ubuntu's twinview conf
21:16<abrotman>gleb_: aptitude install libc6 .. not libc6-i686
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21:17<gleb_>http://pastebin.org/45726 ((((
21:17<jimisrvrox>hey people Ive got a big problem here..every time I log back into debian I have to end up resizing my screen to fit the right scroll bar into the screen..is there a way that I can fix this to where I dont have to reset my screen using the monitor?
21:18<abrotman>gleb_: dpkg --configure -a ?
21:19<hachi>anyone know how to get a USB drive to spin down?
21:19<gleb_>abrotman: http://pastebin.org/45727
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21:20<abrotman>gleb_: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-10_i386.deb
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21:22<gleb_>habrotman: ttp://pastebin.org/45730
21:22<abrotman>nice split :)
21:22<gleb_>* http://pastebin.org/45730
21:22<abrotman>getting closer
21:22<abrotman>gleb_: do you use apt-get or aptitude normally ?
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21:23<gleb_>apt-get
21:23<abrotman>apt-get -f install
21:23<gleb_>E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on libc6
21:24<das>hey, whats the best way to configure my xorg.conf? i've been trying a few days bow with my old ubuntu's twinview conf
21:24<abrotman>!drxx
21:24<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
21:24<abrotman>or do it manually
21:25<gravity>For multimonitor you need to do it manually
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21:26<das>gravity: how so
21:26<abrotman>with an editor
21:27*abrotman hides
21:27<gravity>das: Your favorite text editor and root or su access
21:27<gravity>s/su/sudo/
21:27<gravity>das: If you're running intel, ati, or nv on sid (and I think etch) you can do it dynamically using the xrandr utility as well
21:28<hachi>anyone here know how to use sdparm?
21:29<abrotman>man sdparm
21:29<das>dynamically as in...
21:29<gleb_>maybe, hdparm?
21:29<hachi>abrotman: I'm reading that... sadly it doesn't say how to set values...
21:29<hachi>sdparm -6 --set=STANDBY=10 /dev/sdb
21:30<hachi>nobody on google talks about setting standby, only clearing it
21:31<gleb_>abrotman: thank a lot you and witte. i'll go to sleep
21:31<abrotman>gleb_: you're stopping?!
21:31<abrotman>i've got hours left!
21:31<gleb_>abrotman: OK
21:32<gleb_>abrotman: what should I do?
21:32<abrotman>gleb_: i'm kidding .. don't let me keep you up ..
21:32<abrotman>gleb_: i was trying to find the source of the error .. but i'm guessing it's an internal dpkg error
21:33<gleb_>you mean, bug in dpkg?
21:33<abrotman>gleb_: no ..
21:34<abrotman>gleb_: so ... `dpkg --configure -a`, `apt-get -f install`, `apt-get install libc6`, and `apt-get install libc6-i686` all end in horrible death ?
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21:34<abrotman>and dpkg -i libc6
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21:36<gleb_>maybe, the reason is that one time i refreshed lilo under chroot?
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21:37<abrotman>doubt it
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21:38<abrotman>what's the dpkg -i output again ?
21:38<abrotman>the full output ?
21:38<das>gravity: I ran the reconfiguration, it booted me to a screen with grey lines and an X
21:38<das>is there anyway I could get my ubuntu xorg working
21:39<abrotman>you might want to say it's your ubunut xorg.conf
21:39<das>my old ubuntu xorg i configured with twinview
21:39<abrotman>i knew what you meant
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21:40<gleb_>abrotman: http://pastebin.org/45732
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21:40<abrotman>gleb_: that seems fine .. or you didn't get it all
21:40<gleb_>that's all
21:41<abrotman>okay .. `apt-get -f install`
21:41<abrotman>i tend to try to not force things
21:41<peter5>aptitude -f install ftw
21:42<abrotman>he's been using apt-get
21:42<abrotman>peter5: you have a number hanging on you
21:42<peter5>abr0tman: I do not
21:42<gleb_>abrotman: http://pastebin.org/45733
21:42<abrotman>gleb_: looks much much better
21:43<abrotman>gleb_: when that's done .. do an `apt-get --reinstall install libc6-i686`
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21:43*abrotman ices his shoulder
21:44<abrotman>gleb_: i'm only saying that because you appeared to have it installed at one time .. even though dpkg 'forgot' about it
21:45<gleb_>http://pastebin.org/45734
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21:46<abrotman>gleb_: apt-get install debconf
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21:46<abrotman>this really can't be good
21:46<abrotman>gleb_: apt-get install debconf apt-utils
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21:48*abrotman is starting to suspect a failing HDD
21:48<gleb_>abrotman: it's downloading
21:48*abrotman is also starting to suspect that peterS is actually Bob Dole
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21:48<kurumin>hi
21:49<Laeborg>anyone who can explain me about winetricks sh script ?
21:49<kurumin>have any person
21:49<kurumin>my english is bad
21:49<abrotman>!pt
21:49<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
21:49<kurumin>ta bom
21:49<kurumin> que fala portugues ai
21:50<kurumin>para que serve esse chat
21:50<abrotman>no .. english here .. portuguese in #debian-pt
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21:51<kurumin>I have to go now
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21:51<kurumin>bye
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22:00<gleb_>abrotman: what to do with configuration file `/etc/cron.daily/apt' install the maintainer's version or keep current version?
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22:01<abrotman>gleb_: uhm .. you can look at the difference .. but if i don't remember making changes intentionally .. i'll take the maint version
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22:03<gleb_>abrotman: done without any mistakes
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22:03<mystery>hi
22:04<gleb_>abrotman: thank you a lot!
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22:04<abrotman>gleb_: sounds like you're basically back to normal
22:05<gleb_>probably, yes
22:05<abrotman>gleb_: you may encounter a few more quirks .. you may want to use aptitude to install standard/important packages
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22:09<gleb_>abrotman: thanks
22:09<abrotman>gleb_: no problem
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22:10<gleb_>bye!
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22:12<Tonny_>debhelper: lol
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22:22<dak>hey anyone know why i can connect to a vpn, i see the net in ifconfig but cant ping on of the ips/box's on the vpn ?
22:22<dak>vpn box is a sonic wall
22:22<dak>vpn works fine in windows
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22:24<bin>nobody
22:24<dak>guess not
22:24<abrotman>dak: ISTR some special instructions for sonicwall vpns and linux
22:24<user01>eh the laptop i just won on ebay has ati x1400 video . . . ati isnt good is it?
22:24<abrotman>i found it via google though
22:24<dak>word?
22:24<dak>thanks man
22:24<dak>just figured wtf it works fine in windows
22:24<abrotman>user01: going to play video games ?
22:24<dak>and i can see the ip in ifconfig
22:25<dak>thanks man
22:25<user01>abrotman, dont think so, i just heard ati cards were more difficult for 3d
22:25<abrotman>who cares if you're not playing games
22:25<abrotman>and i'm sure that card is fine
22:25<Supaplex>it's horrible. just give it to me. ;)
22:26<user01>abrotman, what about compiz?
22:26<abrotman>what about it?
22:26<abrotman>are you going to use it ?
22:26<enouf>Supaplex: hey! we had a deal!
22:26<user01>abrotman, wanted to try it out
22:26<abrotman>user01: so make fglrx work .. try compiz ..
22:26<abrotman>why would you bid on something "that sucks "
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22:29<windio00>abrotman, sorry my laptop just went all black
22:30<windio00>abrotman, which is why im getting a new laptop
22:30<abrotman>i'll live
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22:31<windio00>abrotman, anyway it was pretty good deal, a t60 for $550
22:31<abrotman>okay .. so be happy you got it ..
22:31<windio00>abrotman, i am was just worried about the ati part
22:31<abrotman>you'll figure it out
22:32<windio00>abrotman, should i go with lenny or etch?
22:32<abrotman>that's up to you
22:32<abrotman>you don't even have the laptop yet .. quit stressing about it
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22:35<Supaplex>oh look, it's the wannabe debian. tsk tsk.
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22:36<windio00>abrotman, Processor: Intel T2500 2.0GHz Core Duo Motherboard Chipset: Intel Calistoga i945GM/PM Hard Drive: 100GB 5400RPM SATA (Hitachi Travelstar HTS541010G9SA00) Memory/RAM: 1GB (1,024MB) (configurable up to 4GB) Screen: 15.0" 1400 x 1050 SXGA+ (LG Philips LP150E05 - A2) Graphics: ATI X1400 128MB Optical Drive: Multi-Burner DVD recordable Battery: 9-cell (extended life, protrudes from back of notebook) Wireless: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (802.11 a/b
22:36<windio00>/g), Bluetooth 2.0, InfraRed User Input: Touchpad, Pointing Stick, UltraNav buttons, Fingerpring Scanner Warranty: 3-years parts and labor
22:36<windio00>oops
22:36<windio00>thought that was 3 lines
22:36<Supaplex>my 3 year old ibook has 100gb. :)
22:37<abrotman>and it cost you four times as much :)
22:37<windio00>Supaplex, yeah so does my 5 t40
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22:38<Supaplex>my ibook didn't cost me a thing, and I paid $99 for the 100gb harddisk.
22:38<windio00>apple is giving them away? cool
22:39<Supaplex>nope. the seller waited so long to ship, I got my $$$ refunded via a charge back. after pestering the district attorney a little, it still didn't show up after two months. I gave up. days later I received it, and was unable to contact the seller. I guess it's a gift. :P
22:41<windio00>so in fairness, it is only 2.75 years
22:41<Supaplex>I'm estimating. I'm too lazy to look at the actual records.
22:42<windio00>i think my thinkpad t40 has a video issue, the screen goes black after 2 min - 5 min
22:42<Supaplex>sounds like fun
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22:43<windio00>oh wait, it must have died too . . . my pseudo logged out now
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22:44<windio00>good to know it still is working even though the monitor isnt
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22:44<windio00>lcd
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