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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-06-25

---Logopened Wed Jun 25 00:00:51 2008
00:04<gsimmons>not4u: Uh, 'glibc' is a source package. You'd want "apt-get source glibc" or one of the binary packages produced from it.
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00:05<not4u>...never used apt-get source before
00:05<not4u>the instructions i was reading just said to use apt-get isntall glibc
00:06<renginez>gsimmons: i finally get it working
00:07<stevecotton>not4u: it should be installed already, it's kind of fundamental to a working Linux system
00:08<not4u>./ line 143: 9104 Segmentation fault "$setup" "$@" 2>>$NULL
00:08<not4u>The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
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00:09<not4u>i assumed that meant i needed to install it
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00:10<not4u>wait. it's not installed. i checked for it using synaptic
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00:11<stevecotton>there's actually no 'g' on the front - glibc's package is called libc6
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00:16<stevecotton>But if your program wants glibc version 2.1 then something's wrong - 2.2 entered Debian in November 2000.
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00:32<Supaplex>not4u: now what?
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00:47<not4u>i was asking about installing /boot to usb yesterday, i think
00:47<not4u>supaplex: ^^
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00:50<Supaplex>if you're using debian-installer, it's pretty straight forward. just create a partition on the usb stick as /boot
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00:53<not4u>can i then remove the /boot partition on my hdd?
00:53<Supaplex>if you're doing it that way, you'll have to consult <rescue> - but yeah, pretty much.
00:53<Supaplex>why would you want to boot via usb anyway?
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00:54<not4u>i just want it to be as seamless as possible
00:54<not4u>using a usbkey for boot
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01:03<Kerz>hmm hi... stupid question: whats synaptic package manager actual name? i mean the binary\exe w/e :)
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01:04<Supaplex>Kerz: I think it's sy[tab][tab] ;)
01:05<Kerz>sync synclient syndaemon?
01:06<Supaplex>I guess not. try dpkg -l <package> | grep bin/
01:06<Supaplex>I mean -L
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01:07<Kerz>i just want it so i can make a shortcut on the xfce custom menu
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01:08<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>In gparted, there isn't an option to create a fat32 partition, any suggestions?
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01:08<Kerz>do it from the installer cd? lol
01:09<SnoopyDog>what's the rule of thumb for swap area??? i have 1 GB of RAM so is 512 MB sounds right??
01:09<Kerz>not really... swap is a just in case kind of thing... since hdd's are slowers than RAM
01:09<Kerz>but 500mb sounds good
01:10<Kerz>but even so its good to have
01:10<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>SnoopyDog: they say at least 2x
01:10<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>If you want to hibernate
01:10<Kerz>well its a custom thing :) make it w/e u wish but 500 sounds good
01:10<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>My swap file is 40GB
01:11<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>no, it really isn't but it can be
01:11<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>I love 64-bit =)
01:11<Kerz>i never hibernate i just shutdown
01:11<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>and Virtual Memory is awesome
01:11<SnoopyDog>me either i never hibernate
01:11<SnoopyDog>so I guess 512 MB is good enuff
01:12<Kerz>even tho i only hav a miserable 256 of ram i never use my swap file :)
01:12<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>128 > 256
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01:12<SnoopyDog>so i have to muliply by 2 to get more VM?
01:13<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>SnoopyDog: are you running 32-bit or 64-bit?
01:13<SnoopyDog>my laptop runs AMD 64
01:13<SnoopyDog>but that's not what im doing on laptop
01:14<SnoopyDog>on my desktop it has Pentium D
01:14<SnoopyDog>and its dual core
01:14<Kerz>well... u wont miss 1gb of space rite?
01:14<SnoopyDog>and i dont know if its 64 or not
01:14<Kerz>SnoopyDog, lshw?
01:15<Kerz>run lshw on terminal
01:15<SnoopyDog>lols how can i do that on my desktop while i'm fiddling with Create Partition?
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01:16<Kerz>hmm i dont see the harm
01:16<SnoopyDog>well say it this way im prepping it to install Ubuntu
01:17<Kerz>lol ubuntu?
01:17<Kerz>i meant GhostlyDeath|Laptop
01:18<Kerz>Ubuntu is quite good ghost
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01:18<SnoopyDog>yah it is
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01:18*SnoopyDog ponders with swap area heh
01:19<Kerz>hmm well... make it 1gb i suppose :)
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01:20<Kerz>lol dont pay attention to me :)
01:20<SnoopyDog>eh i know
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01:22<SnoopyDog>and what is isfw?
01:22<Kerz>lshw is a prog that tells u all ur comp info
01:23<Kerz>bios cpu mobo and all that
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01:39<renginez>anyone can tell me wheter the command "apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-6-powerpc" is to update kernel or what?
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01:40<Kerz>hmm well.. if it actually updated shouldnt u run update manager?
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01:41<Kerz>wouldnt it displayed it there? im sry i dunno just trying to be helpful
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01:42<gsimmons>renginez: That package only contains header files, normally used for building out-of-tree kernel modules. The kernel itself is provided by the 'linux-image-2.6.18-6-powerpc' package.
01:43<renginez>kerz: its ok man....thanks anyways
01:44<renginez>gsimmons: i think i get the picture
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01:58<ravi>Hi, is there a way to find out what type of RAM is on a computer without opening the cabinet?
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01:58<blarson>renginez: install linux-image-2.6-CPU where CPU is you cpu type to get the latest kernel for your debian distro.
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01:59<ravi>I want to know whether it is SD or DDR
02:00<Kerz>ravi lshw :)
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02:03<ravi>Kerz: WOW! This is really awesome.
02:03<Kerz>ravi, nvm it dont work it just shows size of ram
02:03<ravi> description: DIMM DDR Synchronous 333 MHz (3.0 ns)
02:03<Kerz>ah ok :) was reading wayy too fast
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02:05<ravi>I found that there were software for windows which showed that so I was sure that we should have something that will do the same thing. :)
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02:05<Kerz>yeah theres a whole lot :) u can also try memtest :)
02:06<Supaplex>check for leaked magic smoke
02:06<Kerz>wuts that?
02:06<Supaplex>did the magic smoke escape?
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02:09<DeltaS4>what packages do I need to import CDs to MP3?
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02:11<Kerz>hmm juice extactor?
02:11<Kerz>cd paranoia?
02:11<Kerz>hmm i dunno really never used one meh
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02:12<Kerz>i wonder if theres an mp3 player that plays ogg... i mean a physical player :) that would be good so i can finally thrash mp3 for good
02:13<ravi>Kerz: iRiver and Cowon players play ogg
02:13<Kerz> how much $$?
02:14<ravi>What's size are you looking at?
02:14<ravi>flash or hard disk players?
02:14<Kerz>dunno i just wanna know... unfortunately my mp3 player still works
02:15<ravi>I was recommended that iRiver is great with flash players and Cowon with harddisk
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02:18<Reggae__>btw, will ubuntu kernel headers work on debian?
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02:19<Kerz>hmm isnt the ubuntu kernel linux? :)
02:19<Kerz>oh hey Reggae__ btw :)
02:19<Kerz>tho ubuntu and debian are not top notch on compatibility
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02:21<Sean>Hey,... atm I'm writing an import script in bash and I'd like to know how i can compare to strings with each other.. for example my.import.script with your.import.script... here I'd like to compare import.script with each other and ignore my/your... can anybody help please?
02:21<Kerz>tho isnt the headers supposed to be for building or w/e
02:22<Kerz>Sean, why dont u ask on freenode #bash? tho thats of course if no one answers here :)
02:24<weasel>Sean: man test
02:25<weasel>and obviously you need some sed too.
02:26<Reggae__>kerz: glad u remembered the ubuntu hearders might work on debian?
02:27<gsimmons>!wayttd Reggae__
02:27<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, Reggae__?
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02:33<dpkg>PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work.
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02:33<dpkg>Whoooz the man? Bubba is about to run away with your money again! Or ask me about ".NET". XP is not a brand name, it's an emoticon, or, or <tarzeau> windows xp isn't modern! it's just new, or the best Linux and BSD compatible CPU currently out, or, or xtra pr0n, or
02:34<weasel>mike_: if you want to play with the bot do that in a query.
02:34<mike_>I did it because sometimes when I ask for advice, somebody like witte will just go like
02:34<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>.
02:34<mike_>And then bang, I get info.
02:34<weasel>then ask dpkg in a query.
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02:35<mike_>Nice. Thanks.
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02:36<mike_>So, now that I've played with the bot, I know it didn't have specific advice for me.
02:36<mike_>I'm looking to dual boot Windows on an existing Linux machine.
02:37<mike_>Looks like Google's my guy. :-P
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02:48<DeltaS4>how do I make rhythmbox import oggs faster?
02:50<ravi>DeltaS4: I think rhythmbox developers hangout in in #gnome or maybe they have a separate channel.
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02:51<DeltaS4>oh ok and what non-free packages do I need to encode mp3?
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03:05<not4u>deltas4: you will need the lame library
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03:06<DeltaS4>I just find toolame and twolame
03:06<DeltaS4>I already tried them but nothing
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03:08<not4u>please read the whole page
03:09<not4u>and next time use google: "debian lame encoder"
03:09<not4u>morgan: hi
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05:21<Bodsda>Hello. Ive been dual booting Ubuntu and win xp for 6 months now, and wanted to try out debian, so i installed it but there is no grub entry for it. i believe its because it hasnt overridden the Ubuntu menu.lst, would replacing the ubuntu menu.lst with the menu.lst the debian installer created be enough to get me booted into the actual os?
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05:24<padski>Bodsda, so you have Ubuntu on one partition and Debian on another ?
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05:24<Bodsda>padski: yes
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05:24<padski>Bodsda, this is a very quiet channel but there is generally help here. sometimes takes a while to respond.
05:25<Bodsda>yeah, i suppose im just used to the frantic nature of the ubuntu channel -- padski, so would copying the menu.lst over do the trick?
05:25<padski>Bodsda, you could an entry for your debian system in your ubuntu menu.lst
05:26<padski>Bodsda, that would probably be the simplest sensible option. copying across the debian menu.lst is likely to create some interesting challenges :-)
05:27<Bodsda>copy the entry from one to the other instead of copying the entire file, cheers padski, il give it a try and come back if i still have probs, oh and just out of interest, do you have as many grub problems (eg error 22, 21, 17) when having partitions for one os on seperate hdd's?
05:27<Bodsda>grub was the major pain in ubuntu
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05:30<Bodsda>gonna try the grub now,.,. hopefully be back soon
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05:40<Bodsda>padski, hi, i got the system up and running now, but theres no wireless interface in network manager. How can i get my Belkin F5D7050 usb dongle to work?
05:41<dpkg>[zd1211rw] the recommended driver for USB devices containing ZyDAS zd1211/zd1211b chipsets ( Added to mainline kernel in 2.6.18-rc1, "modprobe zd1211rw" in Etch. Non-EULA firmware is required ('zd1211-firmware' package). For Atheros AR5007UG devices based on UW2453 radio, a 2.6.23 or later kernel is required.
05:42<Bodsda>ok padski, got any helpfull tutorials on how to do all that stuff?
05:43<Bodsda>and my dongle uses the rt73 driver
05:44<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>.
05:45<padski>Bodsda, see also
05:45<Bodsda>padski, ok, ty,.,.errmmm,.,. not sure if i understand it, but maybe the link will help
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05:48<padski>Bodsda, I am not familiar with that hardware/driver. sounds like it may be fairly bleeding edge in etch.
05:48<gsimmons>Bodsda: The 'rt2x00-source' package in Etch is rather old. You may want to instead install a backported kernel image (eg. 2.6.24) which includes the rt73usb module. Once installed, provide the necessary firmware within /lib/firmware.
05:48<padski>gsimmons, thanks, yes, thats what I was thinking :-)
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05:50<Bodsda>padski, gsimmons -- sorry, i just need some background info. Whats bleeding edge in etch mean? and what is Etch, and are you suggesting i install a new kernel?
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05:50<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).
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05:50<gsimmons>Bodsda: We're assuming you are using the current stable release of Debian.
05:51<Bodsda>ooohhh,.,. that makes more sense
05:51<Bodsda>gsimmons, indeed,.,. i think... the 4.0r3 or summit like that, downloaded a month ago
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05:53<Bodsda>gsimmons, ok, and how do i get this other kernel without internet on that machine? can i download a .deb somewhere and transfer it?
05:53<gsimmons>Bodsda: Drivers from the rt2x00 project - which provide support for wireless devices containing Ralink chipsets - were included in the mainline kernel from 2.6.24 onwards. Backported packages are available from, which can provide this kernel version within your system. This is probably the easiest method (of device support) available to you.
05:53<gsimmons>!tell Bodsda -about
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05:55<gsimmons>!tell Bodsda -about apt offline
05:55<Bodsda>gsimmons, backports meaning not officially supported (yet) ? what kernel is default for Etch? sorry im not sitting at the comp with debian on it atm
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05:56<dpkg>[etchnhalf] "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at
05:57<Bodsda>ok, so i basically need this ...24 kernel,
05:58<gsimmons>Bodsda: That's right. You'll also need firmware in order for the driver to operate. Once both are present, you can operate your wireless device.
05:58<gsimmons>!tell Bodsda -about ralink firmware
05:58<Bodsda>omg, this is really tidius
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06:00<Bodsda>ok, sop kernel and firmware -- what packages do i need for the kernel?
06:00<Bodsda>sop = so
06:01<padski_>Bodsda, see factoid above for link to instructions for etchnhalf
06:01<Bodsda>padski_, you mean the one that says 'not for general testing'?
06:01<padski_>Bodsda, or backports is another option :-)
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06:02<padski_>Bodsda, where does it say that ?
06:02<Bodsda>See: Preview installer images (not for general testing yet)
06:03<padski_>Bodsda, ah! that is installer images. noone is suggesting you reinstall :-)
06:04<Bodsda>padski_, cool phew,.,.,. can i get EtchAndAHalf in a tarball or something as i dont have internet on the comp
06:05<padski_>!apt offline
06:05<dpkg>rumour has it, apt offline is To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read Ask me about <apt-zip><apt-walkabout>.
06:06<Bodsda>padski_, that link has nothing to do with aptoffline
06:06<Bodsda>my baf
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06:07<themill>Go staff :)
06:08<Bodsda>padski_, i dont see how i can use aptoffline without internet on my debian machine,.,. those commands wont work on a windows box
06:08<themill>Bodsda: you only need wget on the windows box and you can get that from cygwin (and possibly the gnuwin32 ports)
06:08<craigevil>Bodsda: donwload the packages you need then use dpkg -i packagename to install them
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06:09<Bodsda>craigevil, download them from where?
06:09<themill>Bodsda: directly from the mirror. Links from
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06:10<Bodsda>themill, craigevil, EtchAndaHalf is on there?
06:10<themill>Bodsda: Or for etchnhalf stuff, you'll have to do a little looking around yourself into the etch-proposed-updates pool
06:13<Bodsda>themill, where can i search the etch-proposed-updates pool?
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06:14<Bodsda>cheers ;~)
06:14<padski_>Bodsda, sorry, that's not the easiest of links ...
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06:15<Bodsda>padski_, hehe,. im just searching it for etchnhalf -- all im finding atm is 'changes' to etchnhalf
06:16<themill>Bodsda: search, no, browse, yes.
06:17<Bodsda>themill, cool, that looks like the link i want, but what do i want
06:17<Bodsda>im using amd 64
06:18<themill>Bodsda: use a different mirror then. doesn't carry amd64.
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06:18<Bodsda>oh dear,.,. ty for the next link
06:19<Bodsda>themill, do i need headers & image or just one of the the ones like this -- linux-2.6.24_2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.2.dsc but im not sure which one?
06:20<Bodsda>.1 .2 .3?? dsc/diff.gz? sorry, this is all a bit weird to me
06:21<themill>Bodsda: you only need the .deb files not the .dsc or diff.gz or orig.tar.gz files. Those are the source package.
06:21<Bodsda>themill, which .deb? theres like 50 of them
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06:23<themill>Bodsda: kernel will be but there are other packages you're going to need as well... doing this by hand is a pain, that's why we have tools like apt :P
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06:24<Bodsda>themill, ok, would it help if i was on ubuntu?
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06:25<themill>Bodsda: erm... if you have an ubuntu machine around you might be able to use something like apt-zip for it. But you've got to tell your debian apt about etchnhalf first and since I've never used apt-zip, I have no idea how one goes about that.
06:26<Maulkin>erm, fail
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06:27<Bodsda>themill, hhmmm,.,. im not sure what to do,.,. thanks for all the help,.,. i think il try and see if i have a ethernet cable lying about, i might be able to wire up the download this kerenl on debian
06:27<themill>Bodsda: that's certainly going to be the easier approach
06:28<Bodsda>ok, il be back in about 5-10 mins
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06:38<Bodsda>themill, ok im wired in, finally -- what repo's do i need to enable to use synaptic to get etchnhalf?
06:39<themill>Bodsda: You need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to include etch-proposed-updates as decribed on the wiki page for etchnhalf.
06:39<dpkg>etchnhalf is, like, "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at
06:40<Bodsda>themill, k, cheers
06:41<themill>Bodsda: having done that, "aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64" will grab the kernel for you.
06:41<themill>Bodsda: Then see if someone else can help you with that wireless device. I know nothing about that one.
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06:45<Bodsda>themill, im having problems, it says im not in the sudoers list. but im the only user (besides root)
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06:46<themill>Bodsda: being the only user is not a qualification for being able to sudo. If you want to be able to sudo like in ubuntu, then you'll have to su - and then visudo and add an appropriate entry. Alternatively, you can just use su - for now to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
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07:26<microtux>how can i run rtlinux for kernel2.6 on debian etch ?
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08:03<lxmario>hi all
08:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
08:04<lxmario>:/ can i write PL ??
08:04<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
08:05<lxmario>ok thx
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08:18<lxmario> I must find IRC
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08:19<padski_>lxmario, on
08:19<themill>lxmario: /server /join
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08:27<pn>is trusted? I need some debs from there.
08:27<padski_>pn, define trust
08:28<pn>padski_: stable builds?
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08:39<hlfshell>Would anyone know why I have "interface" and "interfaces" in my /etc/network folder? And which one is the important one?
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08:43<themill>hlfshell: /etc/network/interfaces is the usual network config file. The other might be from a typo setting it up.
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08:44<hlfshell>hmmm ok, thanks themill. i did man ifup and it seems its accessing interfaces
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08:52<Gasbag>Hello! I have just installed Debian on my laptop, a IBM Think-Pad T40p, and I am experienceing som problems with my wireless network. Debian cannot find the WiFi-card and therefore I am not able to connect to my wireless network. Any suggestions?
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08:53<themill>Gasbag: what wireless card?
08:54<Gasbag>The thing is that I just bougth the damn thing and didn't bother checking while XP was still in the HDD. A program or a way of seeing what card it is would also be nice..
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08:54<weasel>Gasbag: check the wireless kill switch? Is there one?
08:54<themill>Gasbag: lspci -nn | grep -i net
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08:55<Gasbag>02:01.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82540EP Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Mobile) [8086:101e] (rev 03)
08:55<Gasbag>02:02.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC [168c:1014] (rev 01)
08:55<Gasbag>weasel, There are no such thing as a switch.. As far as I know. :P
08:56<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead., #madwifi @ No AR5008 support until 0.9.5.
08:57<themill>Gasbag: there may be a kill switch somewhere still, but that's relevant for after you've got the drivers installed with that card. /msg dpkg killswitch
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09:05<dpkg>VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>.
09:06<dpkg>i guess firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo 'gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"' >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel>
09:06<pleb2>will virtualbox also run on windows servers should i need to port my VM accross?
09:06<linko>no clue
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09:06<linko>wiki knows
09:07<dpkg>hmm... iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat ( To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
09:07<pleb2>okay more importantly, this is for a government edu establishment, will I need a license for virtualbox?
09:07<gsimmons>pleb2: You can try asking in #vbox on
09:07<pleb2>gsimmons: Thanks <3
09:08<pleb2>linko: thanks
09:08<Gekz>!why iceweasel
09:08<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information.
09:08<linko>i always got virtualbox running easier than vmware..
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09:09<dpkg>from memory, vim is the only true editor, or does syntax highlighting, has graphical X interface. Extremely popular vi clone that does syntax highlighting or don't forget to get .vimrc file from or the best thing since sliced bread, an editor that rocks your socks!!!, or something very cool, said because we need to have as long a block of text as the <emacs> factoid, or see <vim syntax highlighting>
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09:12<dpkg>emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift], or, #emacs @
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09:22<dpkg>emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift], or, #emacs @
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09:22<dpkg>well, oracle is the world's most advanced database server, see this great installation guide: Debian packages(for Express Edition) available at or apt repository at
09:23<EmleyMoor>If my Fax-to-email provider is sending me tiffs that come out twice as wide as they should in both gimp and ImageMagick, is it their problem?
09:24<padski>!self tell
09:24<dpkg>Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot>
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09:27<themill>EmleyMoor: what do you mean by "twice as wide"? they have a pile of whitespace down the sides?
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09:27<EmleyMoor>themill: No - they are scaled 2x in the X axis
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09:27<weasel>then just fix them?
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09:28<themill>EmleyMoor: istr that faxes use non-square pixels... there is more resolution in one direction than the other.
09:29<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... I will ask about that point
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09:29<mjk>When typing a wrong password in xlockmore, it takes *much* longer for xlockmore to find out it's wrong ("1 failed attempt") as it takes for the normal console login to find out (roughly 1 second). Is there anything I can do about that? I grepped for "time" in /etc/pam.d, but didn't find anything that looked like the right place to fix.
09:30<themill>EmleyMoor: check the "linux model how-to" it has section on fax pixels
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09:32<EmleyMoor>themill: How do I find that howto quickly?
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09:33<themill>EmleyMoor: you could whip up a quick filter script in imagemagick to do a rescaling for you to square pixels, I guess.
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09:35<themill>EmleyMoor: there's a chance that some of the fax viewers will do this automatically.
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09:35<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... vertical resolution is just less than half the horizontal...
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09:37<themill>EmleyMoor: indeed...
09:38<EmleyMoor>The thing is, if I receive the fax myself, rather than let them do it, it comes out right.
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09:38<EmleyMoor>The reason I don't do that is that it's difficult to persuade the thing to answer
09:39<themill>EmleyMoor: hmm odd
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09:49<dpkg>nautilus is, like, a file manager for GNOME, if you get 'paper' icons for everything, install gnome-icon-theme
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09:57<dpkg>rumour has it, bc is according to the man page, an arbitrary precision calculator.
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10:04<renginez>gsimmons: u there bro? i am stuck at the "editor /etc/modules" don't seem to take any action when i type snd-powermac in the editor when i press enter.?
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10:05<renginez> i am stuck at the "editor /etc/modules" don't seem to take any action when i type snd-powermac in the editor when i press enter.? (this message is for everyone who willing to help me)
10:06<gsimmons>renginez: "man modules". This is only referenced during system boot. You'd want to save the file and exit the editor after making your amendment.
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10:08<ordimini>I'm getting crazy tryin to configure my computer for dualscreen, anyone here, knows how to make that work? I've tryed with xrandr, and twinview but can't get it work :'(
10:08<renginez>gsimmons: i do not get the "man modules" u mean i should add that in the editor too besides snd powermac? however i do not see any option for me to save and exit, but it says ^X to exit, i press shift 6 + X =^X and press enter...nothing happen (or did i do it wrong, i think so).
10:09<Kvant>renginez, try ctrl+X
10:09<mjk>renginez: ^X means Control-X (press and hold the [Ctrl] key and then press X)
10:09<renginez>lol....ic...hw bout save? i did not see any options for me to save?
10:10<Kvant>it'll ask if you want to save
10:10<gsimmons>renginez: Or ^O (Write Out), assuming you're using nano.
10:10<renginez>yes i am using nano...
10:11<renginez>gsimmons: i tried ctrl + o or 0 = nothing happen?
10:12<mjk>renginez: As far as I remember, it should show a prompt in the last line asking for a file name.
10:12<renginez>but before that should i add "man modules" in the editor too?
10:13<gsimmons>renginez: No, that was a reference to a man page. Which you should know all about by now. Don't enter this within /etc/modules.
10:13<renginez>mjk: do u wanna view the screenshot? it'll be easier...explaning by words its diff
10:13<mjk>renginez: Certainly not. I don't know what file you're editing (I guess /etc/modprobe.d/SOME_FILE), but "man moduels" is a shell command.
10:15<renginez>one moment guys...
10:15<mjk>renginez: Not necessary. Write a line "snd-powermac" in /etc/modules, then save (^O) and exit, that's all about it.
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10:15<renginez>mjk: i wrote the line in the editor, just couldnt save....i ctrl + 0...nothing happen, it just skip a line and thats it...
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10:17<mjk>renginez: Control + OOOOOOOH, the letter O, not the number 0 (zero).
10:17<mjk>renginez: Write *O*ut
10:18<renginez>owh sorry some sillyness i had made by pressing
10:19<renginez>it says wrote ten lines after i save it, and i i doing it right guys?
10:20<mjk>renginez: Seems so. "Wrote ten lines" means it wrote ten lines of text to the file (in case you didn't know ;-).
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10:22<renginez>mjk: well, im rebooting now, see whats the outcome, very exciting....btw i have to really trully thank gsimmons, his like a savior, man u r one time life savior....mjk...u too...thnanks my sound probs are solved...
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10:22<mjk>renginez: No problem. :-)
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10:23<renginez>wandering wats the eject key combination for using ibook btw.
10:24<stevecotton>'e' 'j' 'e' 'c' 't' <newline>
10:24<mjk>renginez: You can bind any key to the command "eject", depending on your window manager or desktop environment (I only can tell you for fvwm2).
10:25<stevecotton>in the package of the same name
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10:25<stevecotton>or cdeject from cdtool
10:26<renginez>yeap got it working...thanks again mjk
10:27<renginez>now im goin to try installing ralink....any problems i hope u guys would not mind assisting me? lastly ill get the kismet (u noe, what its like to own it ;-)....)
10:27<gsimmons>renginez: What kernel version are you currently using? ("uname -r")
10:29<renginez>gsimmons: 2.6.18-6-PowerPC
10:29<renginez>is it updated?
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10:30<ni>i have apt-list bugs installed and I get this error when trying to fetch bug reports:
10:30<ni>Error retrieving bug reports from the server with the following error message:
10:30<ni> W: invalid date
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10:30<ni>it appears the BTS is not down
10:31<ni>and "date" on my machine seems to be accurate
10:31<gsimmons>renginez: There's a backported kernel package for PowerPC available (/msg dpkg, which can provide you with kernel 2.6.24. This provides the rt73usb module used to operate your device. Alternatively, you can also use Etch and a 1/2 (/msg dpkg etchnhalf) to provide a similarly updated kernel. Once you have 2.6.24 running, install the necessary rt73.bin firmware to /lib/firmware (/msg dpkg ralink firmware).
10:31<ni>any clues?
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10:31<ni>(sid if it matters)
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10:32<renginez>gsimmons: then i guess i shall be connected to the internet again?
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10:34<gsimmons>renginez: Internet connectivity on your target machine would be recommended.
10:34<renginez>gsimmons: ok one moment, cus i am now updating the kernel headers
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10:40<renginez>gsimmons: i will now be offline...ill catch ya later
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11:27<shilow>can someone help me with a problem i had to reinstall gnome and after doing so i can't configure my network and if i do it manually it resets my settings and any of the configure software i had doesn't work anymore wont even start any idea what i need installed?
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11:29<renginez>gsimmons: i am back again, updated my headers, but when i type "m-a prepare" it came i an error saying (bash: ma: command not found), previously i did it it was ok, after reinstalling debian and redo the steps, it turn out like this...
11:30<renginez>anyone who know can help me as well ;-)
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11:30<gsimmons>renginez: I don't believe I mentioned usage of module-assistant to achieve your outcome.
11:30<shilow>i have netwrok-manager-gnome installed but it wont run from command line
11:30<themill>shilow: it's nm-applet from the command line
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11:34<k-man>im trying to set up some udev rules for my dvb capture cards but i can't seem to get my rule to work
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11:35<renginez>gsimmons: well i was working out wif some other distros, so im kinda messed up, so how would i work the module-assistant out pal?
11:36<k-man>this is my rule: udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0)
11:36<k-man>thats it nit
11:36<k-man>not it
11:36<k-man>this is it: SUBSYSTEM=="dvb", ATTRS{manufacturer}=="LifeView", ATTRS{product}=="DVB-T", ATTRS{serial}=="0000:00:10.4", SYMLINK+=dvb-lifeview
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11:37<k-man>anyway, when i run udevtrigger, that rule doesn't seem to do anything
11:37<gsimmons>00:31 < gsimmons> renginez: There's a backported kernel package for PowerPC available (/msg dpkg, which can provide you with kernel 2.6.24. This provides the rt73usb module used to operate your device. Alternatively, you can also use Etch and a 1/2 (/msg dpkg etchnhalf) to provide a similarly updated kernel. Once you have 2.6.24 running, install the necessary rt73.bin firmware to /lib/firmware (/msg dpkg ralink firmwar
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11:38<gsimmons>renginez: You would want to read the dpkg factoids indicated above. Use of module-assistant isn't required.
11:38<renginez>gsimmons: owh u mean that one, my bad....
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11:40<renginez>gsimmons: ill be offlining again, as my mac needs some crazy updates, dunno wat it is...ill try the module-assistant u gave me just now
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12:00<rmf>how don i change the default application for a filetype in etch - is there something in gconf-editor
12:00<fxiny>man update-alternatives
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12:00<fxiny>forget it
12:01<fxiny>mailcap ?
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12:06<renginez>gsimmons: so either ill use the backport or the etch and 1/2 will do the job right? whats the best choice?
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12:10<gsimmons>renginez: Either would be fine. I'm aware that 'linux-image-2.6-powerpc' (which depends on 2.6.24 in etch-backports) is availabile from
12:12<renginez>gsimmons: so ill just "apt-get update" after that "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-powerpc"?
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12:12<gsimmons>renginez: No, read the instructions and follow them.
12:12<gsimmons>!tell renginez -about
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12:17<renginez>so after editing the sources.list again its "apt-get update" and then "apt-get -t etch-backports install “package” (where the package replace with the kernel version package)? or just leave it as "package"
12:19<gsimmons>renginez: The former. Specifically: linux-image-2.6-powerpc
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12:20<renginez>and then its done right ;-)
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12:24<gsimmons>renginez: Then you need to restart your system to initialise the new kernel. It will be the default kernel selection in yaboot. Should you need to revert back to 2.6.18, you can enter "old" (without quotes) at the yaboot prompt.
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12:25<renginez>gsimmons: thanks again gsimmons, ill try it now, have to offline to install the updates again...
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12:25<solo>can u help me
12:26<solo>i am new 2 linux
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12:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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12:28<solo>my browser cant load pages while i am conected to the net
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12:29<solo>but i can use pidgin
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12:29<k1lumin4t1>has anybody succeeded in installing ati propietary (fglrx) driver on Debian Lenny lately?
12:29<solo>can u help?
12:30<valdyn>solo: run "ping" in a terminal, tell output
12:30<dwon>solo: are you out of disk space?
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12:30<solo>i already pinged yahoo
12:30<solo>and it worked
12:31<solo>the ping is ok
12:31<valdyn>solo: try wget
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12:31<valdyn>solo: try "wget"
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12:32<dwon>solo: try using a totally different browser (or wget, like valdyn said). If that works, then it's a problem with your browser. If not, then it might be a firewall or something getting in the way.
12:32<d4de>I've installed Debian Etch today, and found a problem with my graphics drivers, I have Intel G31 Express Chipset
12:32<d4de>which i810 doesn't support
12:32<solo>and as u see i can join irc
12:32<solo>this morning there was no problem
12:32<d4de>the current kernel is 2.6.18-SMP
12:32<valdyn>d4de: you need a slightly newer xserver-xorg-video-intel
12:33<d4de>so it's not a kernel module update or anything
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12:33<valdyn>d4de: maybe its both
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12:34<d4de>sounds like I'll have to go and compile 2.6.25 and download a newer xserver
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12:34<valdyn>d4de: all that you need should be at
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12:34<d4de>cool, thanks valdyn
12:35<dwon>!tell d4de about etchnhalf
12:35<dwon>etchnhalf might work too, but that's just a guess
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12:35<valdyn>does etchnhalf get new x drivers too?
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12:35<d4de>I'll see that also
12:35<dwon>valdyn: good questio. I dunno
12:35<valdyn>d4de: it certainly covers the kernel part
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12:36<d4de>now I know what to do, thanks guys
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13:05<grulk>HI guys. I am trying to do /etc/init.d/networking restart but it give an error that cannot read files interfaces. I can see the file on /etc/network/interfaces. Why is this happening I am using etch
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13:06<kop>grulk : Probably because you're not root. (But the message seems a bit odd because interfaces should be world readable.)
13:07<kop>grulk : Does "ls -lh /etc/nework/interfaces" show the file readable by owner, group, and world?
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13:10<dwon>kop: interfaces often isn't world-readable, because it can contain stuff like WEP keys and the like
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13:20<grulk>if I want to install graphical interface a aptitude install gnome xorg gdm will do the job or am I missing something?
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13:21<Draack>grulk: I think gnome and gdm is enought
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13:22<_ZeuZ_>can somebody do me a version cctp ping to tell me how you see my client?
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13:24<kop>grulk: I prefer installing xorg, or at least xserver-xort
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13:25<kop>grulk : oops: Anyhow... or not having them be marked automatically installed. That way you can switch gnome/kde/whatever without having all of X uninstall/install. YMMV.
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13:27<grulk>if I do a aptitude install gnome it will also donwload many applications that I don't need, openoffice, gimp, gaim, etc... is there a way to avoid that
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13:31<kop>grulk : That's the full gnome suite. There's a way to configure apt to be less inclusive, but I forget the details. man apt You probably do not want to install gnome, and just install the applications you want and have them include the parts of gnome they need. (You'll also need gdm, xdm,kdm and the like.)
13:31<grulk>ok, will research on that
13:32<kop>grulk : (You need just one of the *dm programs to get the gui login manager.)
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13:32<kop>grulk : Depending, you could just un-install the ones you don't want after the fact.
13:33<grulk>thanks ;)
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13:33<bighornram>refresh -- nonfree-flash for macromedia flash install?
13:34<kop>grulk : It's easist if you're not so picky. Disk is cheap.
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13:35<grulk>kop, the problem is that my bandwith is very small on this moment, and will take me to much time to download all that
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13:43<kop>What is /dev/.static? Where do I rtfm?
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13:45<kop>grulk : Debian is hard without bandwidth. jigdo can help, or so theory would have it.
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13:45<grulk>kop, I don't have enought bandwidth at this moment, later will be a different story
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13:49<sheldonh>if active/passive HA possible for an iscsi target?
13:50<screenn>How can I do shaping rules for all incoming traffic on my local computer?
13:50<screenn>I mean tc rules which I need to add
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13:50<sheldonh>screenn: have you checked out the lartc howto?
13:51<kop>I can't believe it. I spent an hour last night trying to talk to a device. Turns out it was not plugged in. :-P
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13:53<screenn>sheldonh that what I've done but nothing happaned
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13:54<screenn>I mean I haven't shaped traffic after that
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13:55<renginez>gsimmons: im back again, i'd unsuccessfully done the backport thing, consider it not done, however i type this "apt-get update" i got an Invalid PUBLIC key if not mistaken, so i skip and type "apt-get -t etch-bacports intall linux-image-2.6-powerpc" it downloaded 89% and stuck there (it says connection time out) from that time onwards i was unable to surf the net or connected the net, dough it says a wired connection is connected....
13:55<screenn>sheldonh how you think about that?
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13:56<renginez>anyone know how to slove it may help to
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13:57<gsimmons>renginez: You didn't read all of the instructions, specifically the part where you import the's archive key into apt. This is optional however, it won't prevent you from installing the package.
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13:59<renginez>gsimmons: but now i could not get connected to the internet at all? i tried browsing tru the web browser and get no internet from it, it just vanish
13:59<gsimmons>renginez: After correcting your connectivity issue, you can continue your download by entering the apt-get command again. The partially downloaded package will be resumed.
14:00<sheldonh>screenn: doesn't look like it would do anything. start with the simple sample they give in the lartc howto, for home ppp
14:00<gsimmons>renginez: You would want to install the 'firmware-ralink' package (also from etch-backports) while you're there, as this is also required.
14:00<sheldonh>screenn: also, i think there's an #lartc on freenode
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14:02<SaintK>Hi, one of my users requested me to upgrade the SFTP protocol to version 4 (running debian Etch), now i have been searching, but i am clueless which package provides the SFTP protocol, is this openSSH ?
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14:02<Guest1766>bah, what happened to my nick :-/
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14:03<screenn>what about rules which I've shown, that's wrong?
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14:03<SaintK>Thanks! According to aptitude, i have openSSL installed. How can i check if an upgrade for that package is availible ? Can i do that using aptitude?
14:03<screenn>I mean example
14:03<renginez>gsimmons: ok no prob pal....the main problem is i do not know how to get my connection back...when i plug back in to this pc (where i am chatting with u now...i get ineternet connection, when i try to plug in back the ibook, it does not have internet, although it says a wired connection is connected)...
14:03<notatroll>aptitude upgrade
14:04<notatroll>why do you think you need an upgrade?
14:04<SaintK>aptitude upgrade packagename? or will aptitude upgrade search for ALL packages to be upgraded ?
14:04<SaintK>Well, one of my users requested to have SFTP protocoll 4 installed, and we currently have protocoll 3 running
14:04<notatroll>what kind operation are you running>?
14:05<SaintK>Sorry, how do you exactly mean that ?
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14:06<notatroll>is this at work? do you offer shells? what are you doing? what kind of users do you have?
14:06<notatroll>just asking btw
14:06<SaintK>ooh, we run a gaming community with a techteam along side
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14:07<SaintK>and sometimes they just throw a requirement at me, and i gotta figure it out :P
14:07<renginez>gsimmons: ok no prob pal....the main problem is i do not know how to get my connection back...when i plug back in to this pc (where i am chatting with u now...i get ineternet connection, when i try to plug in back the ibook, it does not have internet, although it says a wired connection is connected)... (in case u miss out my msg)
14:07<gsimmons>!tell renginez -about repeat
14:07<maxb>A little googling seems to imply that OpenSSH supports version 3 only
14:07<SaintK>Anyhow, i have tried apttitude upgrade, it selects 17 packages, but it tells me its keeping back 'openssh-client' and 'openssh-server', now i figured perhaps doing aptitide upgrade openssh-server would do the trick, but it does nothing
14:08<gsimmons>renginez: I don't know. You'll need to resolve this yourself, at least to the extent in which your download can fully complete.
14:08<SaintK>ah ic
14:09<SaintK>I have tried googeling, but it doesn't return too much usefull information
14:10<maxb>You clearly aren't googling the right things, then :_)
14:10<maxb>* :-)
14:10<bighornram>I gnash in lenny amd64 or ia-32?
14:10<SaintK>ye that turns out ;)
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14:10<sheldonh>hmmm... do it looks like, for redundant shared storage, drdb-backed HA nfs servers are the way to go
14:11<renginez>i guess ill have to erinstall the debian.
14:11<SaintK>U happen to know any other tool i could use to get protocol 4 to work? Because my googeling skills seem to fail me atm... Can barly find info on it
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14:11<maxb>The 7th result for "OpenSSH SFTP protocol version" is a link to openssh bugzilla saying that not only does openssh only support v3, the developers have expressly decided not to support any later versions
14:11<Double>hi, i need to know if it is possible to change the dimensions of the screen with debian?
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14:12<Double>because the bottom part of my screen is not working
14:13<Double>a little bit of it
14:13<SaintK>maxb: Thanks for the info!
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14:14<_ZeuZ_>Double, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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14:15<Double>that will change the screen size?
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14:16<_ZeuZ_>Double, man xserver-xorg
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14:18<Double>zeuz: it says "no manual enter for xserver-xorg"
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14:22<Double>um man xserver-xorg doesn't work
14:22<Double>but i wanted to change the screen size on my computer because the bottom part is dead
14:23<turtle>go to screen rez
14:23<_ZeuZ_>man xorg then
14:23<qq> "man xserver" or "man xorg"
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14:24<_ZeuZ_>qq, lol I won ^_^ faster reply :P x'D I'll leave it to you guys, I'm having problems with bootsplash in
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14:25<Double>wait but what does this do?
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14:32<turtle>what is x org?
14:32<Azhrarn>Has anyone here seen an issue with apache prefork not being able to be pushed past 800 children? Every time I try to go to 900 it drops down to 400-500 effective and won't even hit 800 until I lower the cap
14:32<Azhrarn>of course it may not be apache related, but I'm having trouble nailing down the source
14:32<Double>yeah turtle
14:32<Double>i don't really want to install a giant program to change my screen
14:33<Double>i was thinking if there was a way to do this through the debian itsself?
14:33<_ZeuZ_>Azhrarn, well, why don't you move to lighttpd?
14:33<_ZeuZ_>Double, you won't be installing anything.
14:33<_ZeuZ_>Go google.
14:34<Azhrarn>well, apache is fine for everything else
14:34<Azhrarn>and I wasn't going to just switch without researching the problem first
14:34<sheldonh>Azhrarn: wotcha need prefork for?
14:35<_ZeuZ_>Azhrarn, PHP is allready supported in the not-fork-ed version of apache
14:35<_ZeuZ_>You just need the modules
14:35<Azhrarn>I thought there were still many modules that weren't thread safe
14:35<sheldonh>Azhrarn: probably not an overnight change, but well worth researching :)
14:36<Azhrarn>and for debian libapache2-mod-php5 still depends on apache2-mpm-prefork (>> 2.0.52)
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14:36<Azhrarn>and specifically only prefork
14:36<_ZeuZ_>Not in Lenny
14:36<_ZeuZ_>or at least I didn't see that package being installed when I needed PHP
14:37<Azhrarn> still has a prefork depends
14:37<Azhrarn>you may be thinking of the cli?
14:37<sheldonh>Azhrarn: interesting. i could have sworn i was using worker with php5. but that dedpends is pretty damning evidence :)
14:37<Azhrarn>yeah, I'd love to use worked
14:38<Azhrarn>I use it for my static server already
14:38<Azhrarn>as I don't run any heavy modules there
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14:38<sheldonh>Azhrarn: anyway, abou't your problem... apache's always built with a hard maxclients limit. do you know what debian's is?
14:38<sheldonh>Azhrarn: and are you sure you're not hitting a ulimit?
14:38<Azhrarn>from what I remember it was in the thousands
14:38<Azhrarn>I'm not seeing anythign in syslog/dmesg
14:39<sheldonh>Azhrarn: not sure where hitting ulimits would show up. the compiled-in maxclients limit would show up in error_log
14:39<turtle>a server?
14:40<Azhrarn>yeah, nothing standing out in the error log
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14:41<turtle>go fish
14:42<_ZeuZ_><turtle> go fish >>>>>>>>>>> turtle, help, or don't troll... we're here to help each other
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14:42<Azhrarn>the odd part is it will run along capped at 800 children, but if I raise the max to 900 it sits at 500 children
14:43<Azhrarn>ahh well, I'm googling around to see if anything turns up
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14:43<_ZeuZ_>Azhrarn, did you check if there's something related in the bugtrack? I'm really word-less by now
14:43<Azhrarn>I did before when I last tried this, but I'll look again
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14:46<Azhrarn>I'm still hesitant to blame apache, as I'm running a fairly heavy setup (and it's hard to replicate the load on a test server). But if I can't find a bug, I'll open one to see if anyone else has experienced the issue
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14:49<turtle>can you run a server through vmware?
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14:50<notatroll>yeah. why would you want to?
14:50<turtle> just to see if its possible
14:50<notatroll>knock yourself out
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14:50<Azhrarn>you can do almost anything you normally would do with a computer through vmware, I used to use it to test network setups
14:51<Azhrarn>you can give them IPs/etc
14:51<turtle>can it be done through the gui
14:51<Azhrarn>well, you can give it a network interface with the gui I believe
14:51<Azhrarn>and then set it up like normal from within the server
14:51<Azhrarn>haven't used vmware in about 5 years though
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14:52<Azhrarn>but it worked fine for that then
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14:52<renginez>bw anyone here know how to set all the settings to default in debian including internet and netwrok settings to default??
14:52<Akatemik>Hi. Anybody using fail2ban? Is it just me, or does it remember failed attempts seemingly forever?
14:53<Akatemik>From two computers today, mistyping my password just once caused me to get locked out from those two ips
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14:53<Azhrarn>I never liked stuff like fail2ban for just that reason, although I imagine you can whitelist yourself
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14:54<Akatemik>I'd prefer that it remembers only a given time backwards
14:54<Akatemik>There are plenty of brute force attacks these days
14:54<notatroll>if you cant type your password correctly then why install software that would call you on it
14:54<Gathond>Akatemik: not forever, but probably for a good long while:)
14:54<Azhrarn>or use shared keys
14:54<Akatemik>Heh, and not a troll, you say :?
14:55<Gathond>Akatemik: the default is probably measured in either hours or days though
14:55<Akatemik>Gathond: I don't think so. One of these computers was a workstation I use rarely at work, it had to be weeks since my last login from that one
14:55<sheldonh>i don't like fail2ban because it's had 2 security vulns in it since its relatively recent release
14:55<sheldonh>seccurity tools that act as gaping holes can suck my balls
14:56<Akatemik>So I'd go for something like "as long as it's on" or "as long as you keep logs". Can't find a config parameter for it, though
14:56<Gathond>Akatemik: the default here for ssh is 600 seconds
14:56<Akatemik>sheldonh: Hm, didn't know that. I've had it installed for about two months now, and do follow the debian sec lists
14:56<Gathond>at least im 99.9% positive I've only messed with the max retry parameter
14:56<Akatemik>Gathond: That's the ban time, I think
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14:57<Akatemik>The time it takes until the ban is lifted
14:57<Gathond>Akatemik: yes? was it not the ban time you said was infinite?
14:57<Akatemik>Gathond: I meant how long it looks back
14:57<Akatemik>So that if I mistype my password once a week, in few months I get locked out
14:57<Akatemik>Thought I don't know if it looks back for that long
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14:57<Gathond>ahhh no ok, I'm pretty sure it is supposed to reset once you get it right or once you restart it
14:57<Akatemik>But weeks anyway
14:58<Akatemik>Thought it would, but doesn't look like it :/
14:58<Akatemik>Would be the smart thing to do
14:58*wnd experiences sudden urge to write another copy of fail2ban from scratch
14:58<Akatemik>I can usually type my pw right :). But there are chaotic mistakes now and then
14:59<Gathond>I know it forgets mine once it is restarted
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14:59<Gathond>as I use that and my cell phone to unlock myself whenever I end up being banned
14:59<notatroll>i set a grub password. then i forgot it. i booted with a cd and edited the menu.lst file to remove the password, but i'm still being asked for a password when grub starts
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15:00<Akatemik>Gathond: Hm, well haven't tried restarting but am pretty sure a correct login doesn't reset the counter
15:00<turtle>where is server settings in GUI
15:00<turtle>with gnome?//
15:01<turtle>ill find it
15:01<Gathond>might be
15:02<Akatemik>Oh well... I guess I'll just live with it
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15:02<notatroll>gsimmons: do i have to "update" GRUB after modifying the menu.lst file?
15:02<Akatemik>wnd: Drop me a line, if you do that rewrite :)
15:02<gortiz>hi to all
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15:02<Akatemik>notatroll: That's what debs do
15:03<Akatemik>Updates it every time there's a new kernel added to menu.lst
15:03<notatroll>right. but i still cant get pass the grub menu after removing password
15:04<Akatemik>Did you do a complete reinstall of grub?
15:04<Akatemik>I mean from the grub commandline
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15:04<Akatemik>Something that you would use to fix a broken mba
15:05<notatroll>i did not reinstall grub
15:05<turtle>migghhhtt neeed too reinstall
15:05<Akatemik>notatroll: But hey, it's teaching you not to install a pw protection tool when you can't type your pw :)
15:05<notatroll>ok. ok
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15:06<GortiZ>I've a problem with kde 4.1 compiled from svn.. The desktop starts and also some basic applications.. but if i try to start a multimedial application like juk or amarok2 it doesn't start..
15:06<GortiZ>so i've tried to start it from the terminal and i receive this message:
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15:06<GortiZ>Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "
15:06<GortiZ>someone could help me?
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15:08<sheldonh>GortiZ: phew, i'd expect you'd get _much_ better help from a kde-specific channel than from #debian, since debian doesn't even have kde4 packages in unstable yet
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15:09<GortiZ>yeah.. i know.. but i don't know where to ask.. :)
15:09<GortiZ>if you could address me to a better chan i'll try :) thanks :)
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15:11<sheldonh>GortiZ: being a bit of a brute forcer, i'd try #kde on first
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15:11<sheldonh>GortiZ: but i'd expect _them_ to bounce me somewhere else too :)
15:11<GortiZ>ok, thanks.. :) I'm trying on #debian-kde :)
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15:26<rhollan>Are there any libssl docs available? man 3 ssl is rather brief
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15:28<dondelelcaro>rhollan: what are you trying to do?
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15:30<rhollan>make an http/s proxy with a trusted MITM. I want to see what would be involved in regenerating OCSP requests, etc. Yes, I know the MITM would have to be trusted by all endpoints using certificates from their peers. This is not a problem in this application.
15:31<rhollan>So, I want to see what hooks libssl provides.
15:31<sheldonh>rhollan: there's more. it has its own section. man -k ssl
15:32<rhollan>Hmm. man 3 ssl was terse. Lemme check out man -k ...
15:32<Kerz>will my system malfunction if i update to Sid?
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15:33<sheldonh>Kerz: mine hasn't yet, but sooner or later it's bound to
15:33<rhollan>Hmm. looks like I have to browse a recursive list of man pages. Oh, well, I guess it's a start. Examples would have been nice. But, thx sheldonh
15:34<dondelelcaro>rhollan: why not just use stunnel or similar?
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15:35<sheldonh>rhollan: there may be a better way to get into it. just wanted to point out that there's more manpages if you get desperate
15:35<renginez>gsimmons: i found out whats the problem, its actually the low battery that affected it, however i had successfully installed the kernel 2.6.24 as check by uname -r......and whats the ralink package source again? i some how accidently erase the messages..when i logout...
15:35<rhollan>I need to do this in an event loop-driven single-threaded app.
15:37<rhollan>which has a "master" select loop that calls back when fds are "ready". So I need to feed data into libssl piecemeal, and handle alerts. I've only ever used the openssl cmd line tool to generate and manager certs and let existing apps do their stuff. So, I need a crash course in the underlying library.
15:38<sheldonh>rhollan: hey! i googled for openssl developer's guide and got this:
15:38<sheldonh>long live ibm
15:39<rhollan>Your google-fu is stronger than mine. All I found was openssl cmdline stuff. Lemme check it out. Thx!
15:39<sheldonh>hehe. google and i are constantly trying to figure out who's whose bitch :)
15:40<rhollan>In other news, I am royally pissed that my BB 8820 does VPN but only a proprietary one. No IPSEC or OpenVPN on my Blackberry for me.
15:41<rhollan>And, no, I'm not going to license a BES for my home!
15:41<renginez>can anyone know whats the ralink file source from backports??
15:41<sheldonh>alas. the mobile space is horribly proprietary. when oh when will the trolltech phones arive? :(
15:42<rhollan>The BB is nice, though: worth it for the GPS alone when driving. 'Course, you do announce your location to the nav servers when doing that. Ah, the price of convenience.
15:42<rhollan>routes me the fastest way to/from work every day. And does a good job of routing around congestion.
15:43<sheldonh>renginez: aptitude show firmware-ralink might give you some hints?
15:43<rhollan>The 802.11n sucks on it though, for WiFi -- hangs up the phone hard. 802.11g on the BB8820 is O.K. though
15:43<sheldonh>rhollan: sounds like you live in the first world
15:44<sheldonh>'spec ;)
15:44<sheldonh>ha! my wife's dinner club is leaving. i'm unbannished. good luck with that openssl tutorial series, i'm off :)
15:45<rhollan>Thanks again for the link.
15:45<renginez>aptitude show firmware-ralin
15:45<renginez>aptitude show firmware-ralink
15:45<renginez>? u mean on the terminal?
15:47<renginez>sheldonh:^ i am actually getting the firmware tru it the same?
15:51<Kerz>whats the command to see all running appz?
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15:51<rhollan>ps aux
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15:52<renginez>sheldonh:^ i am actually getting the firmware tru it the same
15:53<renginez>if anyone know the source link for ralink at backports let me know....
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15:54<Kerz>ok then it doesnt work.. meh the update manager froze
15:54<Kerz>and i dont know whats the name of the app
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15:56<rhollan>er, update-manager ?
15:56<rhollan>At least on Ubuntu
15:56<Kerz>nop theres no app named update manager
15:56<_ZeuZ_>Hi, Well, I've got a little doubt, after upgrading from kernel 2.6.24 to after having done oldconfig, my system boots fine enough, thing is: Through bootup, I don't see anything... No post messages, not anything, just a blank screen until I get to KDM...
15:57<rhollan>It's an Ubuntu app and it's called update-manager.
15:57<rhollan>sounds like init options got lost.
15:57<rhollan>look at your grub.conf or lilo.conf files as appropriate
15:58<rhollan>probably the new kernel is being loaded with default init parms and not the old ones that showed the verbose startup
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15:58<Kerz>yes but theres no update-manager running
15:58<Kerz>so it cant be that
15:58<renginez>_Zeuz_: u mean nautilus is missing?
15:58<renginez>if anyone know the source link for ralink at backports let me know...
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15:59<_ZeuZ_>renginez, no, nothing like that.
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15:59<rhollan>update-manager is the Ubuntu app to check and install updates. Dunno about stock Debian.
15:59<_ZeuZ_>Not even when I go back to the ttys I can see something, though the rest of the desktop is fine
16:01<Kerz>well there is an app called update manager but i dont see if i can kill it
16:01<renginez>_ZeuZ_: u cant see anything in the desktop or what?
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16:01<_ZeuZ_>renginez, read what I told, answer yourself xD
16:01<renginez>anyone know whats the ralink source list in backports
16:02<renginez>_ZeuZ_: my bad sorry.
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16:02<_ZeuZ_>I can work normally, no problem with that. Just that ttys do not appear, stay in a black screen, and so it does at boottime
16:02<Kerz>meh ill simply reboot or w/e
16:02<rhollan>Do you see /usr/bin/python2.5 /usr/bin/update-manager in ps aux | grep update? Looks like a python wrapper around a GTK app
16:02<rhollan>ps aux | grep update
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16:15<renginez>what commad should i put to get ralink source
16:16<Torsten_W>apt-cache search ralink
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16:18<renginez>Torsten_W: im newbie, so apt-cache search ralink is the command in the terminal rite?
16:18<_ZeuZ_>renginez, you need to get rtXXXXXX modules
16:18<_ZeuZ_>you can do that either getting your full kernel source and compiling the modules you need.
16:18<_ZeuZ_>or doing that
16:19<renginez>_ZeuZ_: So after getting the modules?
16:19<renginez>btw shall i get the Binary firmware?
16:19<_ZeuZ_>compiling them (this after you get the source), installing them (after you compile them), modprobing them.
16:20<_ZeuZ_>And also the firmware, yes.
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16:21<renginez>so, 1st. get the modules,...2nd. get the source...3rd. get the firmware?
16:21<_ZeuZ_>think about what you said the last, reorder it.
16:22<renginez>can i just use synaptic?
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16:23<LastLemming>anyone have toshiba laptop?
16:23<LastLemming>I got problem with sound
16:24<LastLemming>it's the same problem with ubuntu 7.04 and 7.10, they fixed it with 8.10
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16:24<LastLemming>it was about DSDT
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16:30<_ZeuZ_>LastLemming, what seems to be the problem? alsa not loading?
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16:32<LastLemming>_ZeuZ_: no, alsa is loaded
16:32<LastLemming>but no sound
16:32<LastLemming>I can use mixer
16:32<LastLemming>put 100%
16:32<LastLemming>and no sound
16:33<alaya>ugh, bridge-utils-interfaces(5) does not say what to do with existing eth0 stanza
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16:34<_ZeuZ_>LastLemming, what does dmesg sais about that?
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16:34<LastLemming>no problem
16:34<LastLemming>read the bottom
16:34<renginez02>i did the "apt-cache search ralink"....then it showed me "firmware-ralink" so i apt-get install it, and now its done, so whats next? i kinda need a step by step as im a total newbie in this...thanks ...n much appreciated/..
16:34<LastLemming>about sound
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16:35<renginez02>btw i am tryng to install ralink driver in debian, for those who r wandering...what im blabbering/
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16:37<renginez02> i did the "apt-cache search ralink"....then it showed me "firmware-ralink" so i apt-get install it, and now its done, so whats next? i kinda need a step by step as im a total newbie in this...thanks ...n much appreciated/..
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16:42<_ZeuZ_>LastLemming, did you recompile the kernel as said there?
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16:44<free>Hi! After upgrading from Debian Etch to Lenny, I try to launch amaroK or mplayer and it crashes with error "Segmentation fault". I tried to use different versions from Debian repositories: 1.4.4 (stable), 1.4.9 (Testing) and to build it from sources (downloaded from ammaroK site). But i faced the same problem: "Segmentation fault".:(
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16:44<renginez02>i did the "apt-cache search ralink"....then it showed me "firmware-ralink" so i apt-get install it, and now its done, so whats next? i kinda need a step by step as im a total newbie in this...thanks ...n much appreciated/..
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16:47<_ZeuZ_>renginez02, Don't bump that way.
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16:47<_ZeuZ_>free, well, segmentation faults are often caused by the software itself, but it might be some dependencie problem aswell... this would not be too logical, but try aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
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16:50<_ZeuZ_>suppose after compiling alsa modules (i left them behind erroneusly) I need to install those modules only, all has been compiled, but is it required to install all modules again with make module install?
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16:55<free>_ZeuZ_, i'll tried to reinstall it but, it dosn't take any effect
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17:00<Bon>On my debian alpha64 machine i just installed a game .. astromenace or something. When it loaded it didnt recognise mouse of keyboard input so i had to restart the PC. except now debian will not load, it gets as far as :IN-eth1 OUT= MAC= etc. then refuses to go any further
17:00<Bon>anyone any idea why, and possible fix? I'd rather not fresh install..
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17:03<renginez>i did the "apt-cache search ralink"....then it showed me "firmware-ralink" so i apt-get install it, and now its done, so whats next? i kinda need a step by step as im a total newbie in this...thanks ...n much appreciated/.. (installaing ralink source)
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17:05<renginez>i did the "apt-cache search ralink"....then it showed me "firmware-ralink" so i apt-get install it, and now its done, so whats next? i kinda need a step by step as im a total newbie in this...thanks ...n much appreciated/.. (installaing ralink source)
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17:06<compaq>you gotta do kernel compile, google it
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17:08<free>Before upgrade, then i used Debian Etch the same version of amarok worked ok
17:08<Bon>any ideas as to why my debian PC is not loading properly? I am like 2 feet away from it, so i can folllow step by step instructions if required..
17:09<thecreator>well, just saying it won't load doesn't do much. what happens when it doesn't load?
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17:10<thecreator>are you getting some sort of error?
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17:16<Bon>basically, it starts loading as normal, grub is fine. except, now the original problem is gone, and the GUI has gone
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17:17<Bon>and now i have just a root terminal line to type in
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17:20<Bon>which isnt much good really when i want to surf the web.
17:20<compaq>Bon, that good, aslong asit boots, so try gdm now
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17:22<craigevil>you can surf the web just fine from a terminal, use links2 -g,or elinks , and surfraw to do searches
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17:24<Bon>Ok, any idea how i can get the GUI back, because this is just confusing as hell.. (i dont even know why its not there anyway..)
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17:26<free>what in Xorg.0.conf?
17:26<free>*in Xorg.0.log
17:26<cristian>hi everybody
17:28<Bon>free, i have no idea what that means
17:28<cristian>i want install debian from netinst, who can tell me wha packages i have to install after the setup?
17:29<Kerz>Bon, hmm i think all u need is to type gdm
17:29<free>Bon, "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
17:29<dondelelcaro>cristian: depends on what you want the machine to do
17:29<dondelelcaro>cristian: only you can answer that question
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17:29<free>Bon, or try to type "startx"
17:30<cristian>dondelelcaro, use is desktop i want say what's the packages i have to install for run gnome
17:30<dondelelcaro>cristian: choose the desktop task when you're installing, then.
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17:30<Bon>startx worked.. Any idea how i can find out what the hell went wrong?
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17:31<cristian>so i'll get a "full" installation...
17:31<free>what happens after startx?
17:31<Bon>the GUI loads up as normal and its all good
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17:33<free>and what the problem? i dont understand =)
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17:34<Bon>theres no problem anymore, but obviously something went wrong as it didnt load at start, and i dont want it to happen again, any idea how i can find out what went wrong?
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17:34<cristian>sorry... what are the difference between APTITUDE and APT-GET?? i have realized that when i install a package with aptitude the final size is bigger, when i install the same pack using apt-get the size is smaller, why?
17:35<themill>dpkg: tell cristian about why aptitude
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17:36<themill>cristian: aptitude will often try to install extra packages for you that it thinks you probably want (so-called Recommended packages) whereas apt-get will not (in etch, at least).
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17:37<cristian>themill, thanks for elucidation,
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17:39<cristian>themill, so is more advised using aptitude?
17:39<themill>cristian: yes, as a general rule it's better.
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17:40<cristian>ok, thanks a lot... now i'm going to bed, in italy it's 11.40 pm
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17:41<Bon>Right, startx works on a temporary basis, but almost half of what i can do (including turning the PC OFF) you cannot do. gdm and cat /var/log/xorg.0.log do nothing
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17:43<_ZeuZ_>Bon: What was the problem again?
17:43<Bon>this time i actually wrote cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log with a number, and it basically did .. stuff.
17:43<Bon>I have no GUI, at all.
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17:47<_ZeuZ_>Bon, startx doesn't bring it?
17:48<_ZeuZ_>if it does, then just add kdm/gdm/xdm to defaults in init.d
17:48<_ZeuZ_>then it will start automatically
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17:50<Bon>startx brings the GUI up, but the stuff i am able to do is severly limited, including such things as turn the PC off, or alter network settings. It USED to load automatically, yet for some reason after a fullscreen game glitched it stopped loading automatically
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17:56<_ZeuZ_>Bon: What Desktop Enviroment have you installed?
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17:57<Bon>I think its KDE. ill just check
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17:58<Bon>sorry, looks like gnome not KDE
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17:59<_ZeuZ_>well, try re-installing gnome
17:59<_ZeuZ_>and then set it to start with the system
17:59<_ZeuZ_>try installing sysv-rc-conf and then setting gdm to start at all runlevels
18:00<Bon>to be honest, i havent a clue. I thought it was KDE, but it looks like other peoples gnome desktops, etc. Its a foot on the taskbar.
18:01<Bon>no, yes, by properties, its gnome. I was just being stupid
18:01<_ZeuZ_>then mind you telling me what's the content of /var/log/gdm ?
18:01<lupine>I have a remote IMAP server and I want to dump a particular mail account into a Maildir/ -- is there any tool to do this ?
18:02<Bon>:0.log (.1-.4)
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18:03<Bon>brb, switching connection to other PC
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18:11<Bon>right, now im on the Debian PC. Install gnome you say?
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18:13<_ZeuZ_>Bon, yes. Try that first.
18:13<_ZeuZ_>Perhaps some package was missing
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18:14<Whoppix27>can anyone give a list of wireless cards that are compatible with linux ?
18:14<Bon>it was working 100% fine untill i tried to play astro menace which refused to accept input from keyb oard or ouse, so i couldnt quit it, so i had to restart. and the the GUI wouldnt load
18:14<_ZeuZ_>Whoppix27, that depends on wich kernel you use.
18:14<_ZeuZ_>Whoppix27, either way, now you can use Windows Drivers with Ndiswrapper with it.
18:15<_ZeuZ_>Bon, well, wouldn't dare to bet on what happen there then
18:15<Whoppix27>whoppix 2.7
18:15<_ZeuZ_>Whoppix27, Whoppix 2.7 IS NOT debian.
18:16<_ZeuZ_>Whoppix27, even though it's based on it, it's not. so go to #whoppix
18:16<_ZeuZ_>(and actually, it's based on knoppix :P)
18:16<_ZeuZ_>No problem
18:16<lupine>Whoppix27: anything that's in the mainstream kernel tree
18:16<lupine>I'd suggest a PCI atheros card, though
18:16<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>.
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18:16<lupine>rock-solid drivers, and feature-complete
18:17<lupine>Intel are also very good
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18:17<lupine>Ralink... can be flaky
18:17<amphi>ralink have decent linux support also, I believe
18:17<lupine>but they're the best-supported USB dongles
18:17<lupine>amphi: last I used them, the drivers crapped out semi-regularly
18:18<lupine>but they're headed for mainline kernel inclusion, so that must be getting better
18:18<amphi>lupine: a friend had a rt2500 cardbus, and it seemed to work ok, and that was a while back
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18:19<lupine>amphi: rt2500 is one of the better chipsets
18:19<lupine>(well, better-supported chipsets)
18:19<lupine>I had rt2570, 2571, rt61, and the other one
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18:20<lupine>I have an rt2500 Cardbus ------> over there, and that's pretty good, but you don't find them any more
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18:25<EagleSn>i have a problem
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18:25<EagleSn>i made a GPG key for sing changelogs and packages
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18:26<EagleSn>becouse a problem i formated my computer
18:26<EagleSn>can i recover my GPG key?
18:27<lupine>erm. no
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18:27<lupine>unless you made a backup
18:27<lupine>of course, *everyone* makes backups regularly, right
18:27<EagleSn>yo usay en export of the key?
18:28<EagleSn>GPG keys data are stored in $HOME folder isnt?
18:28<Kerz>EagleSn, once u format u erased everything... on that partition
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18:29<EagleSn>if i restore partition with partimage, will i can recovery my key?
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18:31<EagleSn>i have found a backup of my old home folder, it was made after i made my GPG key
18:31<EagleSn>it is a partimage buckup
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18:32<Kerz>whats a GPG key?
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18:32<Tuplad>how do I get files off my canon ixus 70 ? I attached it to my computer, but I cant find it somewhere
18:32<_ZeuZ_>EagleSn, dunno if you can crack the GPG key to unencrypt the backup...
18:32<EagleSn>it is for sign files with you identity
18:33<Tuplad>it's a digital camera
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18:33<EagleSn>i have in text my fingerprint and my ID
18:33<dondelelcaro>Tuplad: gphoto2 -P; may be able to find it for you.
18:33<EagleSn>i printed it
18:33<EagleSn>and i have got it
18:33<dondelelcaro>Tuplad: alternatively, if it's a usb ms device, you can just figure out what device it is (check dmesg) and mount it.
18:34<themill>Tuplad: it may be a ptp camera. Something like digikam will autodetect it as will the gphoto2 utilities.
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18:34<themill>yeah, what dondelelcaro said
18:34<EagleSn>well, i will test restoring my partimage backup
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18:36<Tuplad>thanks I'll try it out
18:36<Tuplad>but I tried it with gthumb
18:36<mzhang>how to install firefox 3 on etch? I don't want to do the non-root installation described by google results.
18:36<Tuplad>and find it manually
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18:36<Tuplad>but it said like, check if it's connected
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18:39<Tuplad>dondelelcaro: did gphoto2 -P but it didnt find anything, altough my camera is connected :o
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18:40<Tuplad>rhythmbox asks me to import pics, I do but it gives me an error
18:40<Tuplad>"An error occurred in the io-library"
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18:40<blarson>!tell mzhang about firefox 3 etch
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18:54<EagleScreen>i have restored the partition with partimage
18:54<EagleScreen>i have now my GPG listed by gpg --list-keys
18:55<EagleScreen>i would like to do a clean installation for testing some issues
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18:56<EagleScreen>i think my GPG data is in $HOME/.ssh
18:57<EagleScreen>is suficient with copy a backup of that folder?
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18:59<Tuplad>dondelelcaro: could it be that my camera wont get recognized because I dont have enough rights to mount partitions etc?
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19:00<Tuplad>dondelelcaro: because whenever I stick in an usb stick or my extern hdd, I get an error that I dont ahve enough rights to mount it and then I do it manually
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19:00<snogglethorpe>Tuplad: is there usually a group you have to belong for automaounting type stuff to work ?
19:00<_ZeuZ_>snogglethorpe, yes, mount group.
19:01<Tuplad>snogglethorpe: no idea
19:01<_ZeuZ_>if not, he needs high priviledges.
19:01<Tuplad>_ZeuZ_: any idea how I can add myself to it?
19:02<themill>EagleScreen: gpg data is normally in ~/.gnupg ; your ssh keys would be in ~/.ssh
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19:02<snogglethorpe>Tuplad: "sudo adduser me mount" perhaps
19:02<themill>Tuplad: it's normally the plugdev group
19:03<_ZeuZ_>Tuplad, sudo adduser `whoami` mount
19:03<abrotman>'mount' isn't the right group
19:03<themill>_ZeuZ_: mount group?
19:03<_ZeuZ_>themill, ain't it called that way? x'D
19:03<_ZeuZ_>(I was trying to guess while looking at the classes)
19:04<_ZeuZ_>Groups :P
19:05<EagleScreen>i have experted my public key and my private key to .key files
19:05<EagleScreen>have i to do anything more before format?
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19:06<qq>back-up others data ?
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19:09<EagleScreen>i want to create a revocation key, but not for removing key right now, it is for if i have to do it in the future
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19:10<EagleScreen>i have typed: gpg --output revoke.asc --gen-revoke <KEY-ID>
19:10<EagleScreen>it quiestion me why i want a revocation certidicate for this key
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19:10<EagleScreen>0= No reason
19:11<EagleScreen>1 = Key has been compromised
19:11<EagleScreen>2 = Key is superseded
19:11<EagleScreen>3 = key is no longer used
19:11<EagleScreen>Q = Cancel
19:11<EagleScreen>if i continue will i revocate my key right now?
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19:27<tj_>installed debian on friends old pc but xserver wont start i know its installed because i installed on my pc any ideas people please
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19:56<stevecotton>Is there a tool which combines debtags with the results of the popularity contest?
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19:56<stevecotton>I'm wanting to change the devel::rcs tool that I use, and fancy seeing what's popular.
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19:59<themill>stevecotton: there are some 130-odd packages in the archive with that tag, but they do lots of different things. Everything from git to patchutils has that tag.
19:59<themill>stevecotton: I believe there is a SoC project going that might be related to that, but in the mean time, a little sed and awk will probably get you there.
20:00<abrotman>maybe ept-cache ?
20:00<themill>bugger me... that does both alreaedy
20:01<abrotman>or maybe apt-xapian-index ?
20:01<stevecotton>thanks abrotman :)
20:01<abrotman>don't thank me til it works
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20:01<abrotman>stevecotton: btw .. i found them with apt-cache search popcon
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20:07<nizamx>`villain`: eeeee
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20:35<wesmokedit>anyone running dream linux ?
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20:38<snogglethorpe>there's something called "dream linux"?
20:38<snogglethorpe>is it a debian derivative?
20:39<abrotman>ask them .. not us
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20:43<Kerz>doesnt seem like it
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20:44<Kerz>website looks nice tho... it seems like a distro for graphic designers
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20:47<SuperDale>"Dreamlinux is based on the venerable Debian Operating System"
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20:50<Kerz>hmm missed that part oh well
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20:52<marga>Hi! I'm trying to enable compiz in a lenny installation. I have an i865 vga card, using the "intel" driver. When I do compiz --replace &, the messages seem to indicate a successful run, but I'm left with no-decoration and no-window-manager. What can I do to find out what's going on?
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20:54<stevecotton>abrotman: thanks. Turned out non-useful: for all the main RCS packages, about half the people who have them installed are using them.
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20:55<abrotman>stevecotton: i'm surprised none of them have a way to query the popcon level
20:55<wermenoise>someone can help-me
20:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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20:56<stevecotton>ept-cache does (as you pointed out to me)
20:56<abrotman>oh ok
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20:56<wermenoise>i need close session in gnome without save,, i need discard all change in this session
20:57<abrotman>there is a Sessions tool under the Preferences menu
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20:59<\3TATUK>Anyone know how to configure an Apple Airport Express via Debian Etch?
21:00<abrotman>don't think the bcm43xx in etch supports that 11g device
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21:01<dondelelcaro>2.6.18 did
21:01<\3TATUK>I'm running 2.6.18..
21:01<dondelelcaro>(though you need the firmware, and have a few other hoops to jump through)
21:01<\3TATUK>I'm pretty sure debian can _connect_ to the device.
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21:01<\3TATUK>I just don't have access to a Mac to configure it..
21:01<dondelelcaro>\3TATUK: do you see the wireless device? have you installed the firmware?
21:02<dondelelcaro>oh, you're talking about the AP, not the card.
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21:02<abrotman>i thought the .18 didn't support the extreme .. just the regular airport
21:02<\3TATUK>yeah the airport express Base station ..
21:02<dondelelcaro>abrotman: nope; it supports the extreeme.
21:02<\3TATUK>.18 supports extreme
21:02<abrotman>oh wait .. nevermind ..
21:02<\3TATUK>i'm connected to an extreme right now
21:02<abrotman>i installed etch before it was released on the ppc box
21:02<\3TATUK>i'm on intel cpu
21:03<dondelelcaro>\3TATUK: it should have a web interface; if it doesn't, I've no clue and this probably isn't the right channel to ask either.
21:03<abrotman>oh .. i thought he meant the wifi card
21:03<\3TATUK>it should have a web interface as in your opinion, or based on some kind of fact?
21:03<\3TATUK>I can connect to the express base station via ethernet but it doesn't issue an IP
21:04<\3TATUK>so i doubt i can access any httpd
21:04<shze>hi! i cannot load in konqueror on debian testing. do i have wrong settings or is it a bug? works with wget and firefox.
21:04<abrotman>cannot load why? does it give an error ?
21:04<wermenoise>I use debian 4.0 r3 ,, etch,, gnome,, I need close this session discarding all changes
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21:04<marga>wermenoise: changes aren't saved by default
21:04<marga>wermenoise: unless you save them explicitly, they won't be saved
21:05<shze>abrotman: error is 'no connection'
21:08<\3TATUK>dondelelcaro: Any suggestions on where to ask?
21:09<dondelelcaro>\3TATUK: the ethernet side of the base station generally doesn't issue ips.
21:09<dondelelcaro>\3TATUK: it expects to get one.
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21:09<\3TATUK>i think you're misunderstanding the hardware
21:09<\3TATUK>if you're speaking of the extreme base station.. then yes
21:09<dondelelcaro>does it have multiple ethernet ports?
21:10<\3TATUK>only one
21:10<\3TATUK>the express expects to receive a wireless signal
21:10<shze>any ideas?
21:10<dondelelcaro>then that's generally plugged into your cable modem. It gets an ip, it doesn't issue them.
21:10<\3TATUK>it's intended use is as a wireless signal range 'extender'
21:10<\3TATUK>i think you're incorrect, still
21:10<dondelelcaro>\3TATUK: it's a bridge then, not a "base station"
21:11<\3TATUK>do i need to link you?
21:11<dondelelcaro>there's a huge difference between a base station and a bridge
21:11<\3TATUK>these are the marketing terms apple uses okay
21:11<\3TATUK>i don't argue with them
21:11<dondelelcaro>and in any event, if it's a range extender, or a bridge, it still won't give you an IP.
21:12<dondelelcaro>(since that's the job of the dhcp server on that network segment)
21:12<\3TATUK>i have the g (not n) version
21:12<abrotman>i doubt that jack would give out an IP address
21:12<\3TATUK>probably true
21:13<stevecotton>shze: I can replicate on unstable. Iceape works, konqueror fails.
21:13<\3TATUK>in which case i doubt there's a http interface for configuration
21:13<abrotman>check the product documentation i suppose
21:13<\3TATUK>although you did say 'web' and that shouldn't necessarily imply http
21:13<shze>stevecotton: so its a bug?
21:13<abrotman>wikipedia says you can use it as an ethernet-wifi bridge
21:14<\3TATUK>i'm just trying to configure the jack to connect to my existing extreme AP
21:14<dondelelcaro>\3TATUK: the ones that you linked to are almost always used as routers by default, though it's probably possible to configure them as a bridge.
21:14<\3TATUK>but i don't have access to a Mac for the config util ..
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21:15<dondelelcaro>*shrug*; if it doesn't have a http or telnet interface, there's not much we can do, and it's not terribly on topic here. Get support from apple.
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21:16<shze>shze: if i use wget to download the index.html, i can load it with konqueror
21:16<shze>stevecotton: ^^
21:18<blarson>\3TATUK: my dlink extender/bridge has a web interface. You need to manually configure your ethernet to an address on its subnet and http into its subnet.
21:19<stevecotton>shze: the HTTP site redirects to a HTTPS site, although the error message in Konqueror doesn't hint at that
21:19<stevecotton>something in the HTTPS handshake fails
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21:21<shze>stevecotton: how to find the exact reason? or just a bug?
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21:26<stevecotton>That server wants TLS_RSA_WITH_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA
21:26<stevecotton>The tool to find out is "wireshark", in the package of the same name.
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21:27<stevecotton>Doh - the tool to find out (easily) is Iceape / Iceweasel's "view page info" menu option.
21:27<shze>stevecotton: thx. can i activate this type of enc somehow? doesnt seem to be in the list of enc-types supported
21:28<stevecotton>I can't see it either.
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21:33<\3TATUK>blarson: I have a dlink router so i'm familiar with the web interface but I doubt the airport express has a web interface because even the airport extreme doesn't (it's configured through a proprietary gui program
21:34<\3TATUK>namely, airport2-config .. which doesn't seem to support airport express which is why i am distressed
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21:39<abrotman>\3TATUK: hint .. call Apple .. it has nothing to do with Debian
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21:42<\3TATUK>they're just going to tell me to 'call debian' hah
21:43<abrotman>how is this related to debian at all ?
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21:44<\3TATUK>i'm running debian, and i need to configure it?
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21:49<googlah>is there a way to check if dma is enabled under debian? my server has huge loads during the evenings and can't be accessed..
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21:51<abrotman>i believe hdparm can tell you
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22:02<gsimmons>renginez: Install the 'wireless-tools' package, verify that you have a wireless interface (usually wlan0) available with the iwconfig command. Read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian to configure this interface as necessary for use in your wireless network. Bring the network interface up with ifup.
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22:03<abrotman>long gone?
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22:14<not4u>does placing a . before a folder make it "invisible" in nautilus and with ls (except ls -a)?
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22:20<abrotman>yes .. but i think nautilus can be configured to show them
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22:39<dataangel>i have a really wierd something going on .. my updatedb.conf is /etc/ is gone !!!!!!
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22:41<Xenguy>dataangel: how did it happen?
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22:41<dataangel>i have no clue , all i know is that on my laptop, ihave updatedb.conf in my etc. on the desktop i am using which i am using its not there,
22:42<Xenguy>dataangel: hrm, I don't have one either (normal stable install)
22:42<Xenguy>dataangel: sorry, I do have one
22:43<Xenguy>dataangel: can you just scp from one box to another?
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22:43<dataangel>i am using debian on a external hard drive, when i attemepted to install debian ona usb stick it decided that it was going to kill the mbr and install grub on my friends system hard drive even though i was installing debian to the usb stick, i am very annoyed , i cant boot her xp as the mbr is gone, i dont have a win xp cd and my friend gets back from vacation soon, i was hoping to find a solution for the mbr problem on my own but i have com
22:44<dataangel>across this unexpected surprise as well
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22:45<dataangel>the main problem is i dont know what directorys updatedb is currently looking in
22:45<dataangel>so copying the file over may fix nothing
22:45<dataangel>even more intresting there is no mention of updatedb.conf in my man page for updatedb ???
22:45<Xenguy>dataangel: sorry, too complicated for me ATM, but wishing you luck
22:46<dataangel>hang on i'll look on the laptop
22:47<dataangel>ha ha
22:48<dataangel>yeh its getting too complicated for me as well, as soon as i have a resloution path for all this issues another issue rears its ugly head
22:48<dataangel>i just need to know where locate is looking for files
22:50<Xenguy>dataangel: this will list files in a package (if that helps): dpkg -L <packagename>
22:50<MrNaz`>when partitioning, does / need to have the bootable flag ?
22:51<Xenguy>MrNaz`: generally yes
22:51<dataangel>i did not think of that, but i think the main issue here is that updatedb.conf is built a package, i reinstalled locate via synpatic and that did not help either
22:51<Xenguy>MrNaz`: unless your setup is non-standard
22:51<MrNaz`>only that one or others as well ?
22:52<Xenguy>MrNaz`: well if you had a /boot partition for example
22:52<MrNaz`>i dont
22:52<dataangel>at this point i dont even know what locate is looking at as according to it (of course ) this is fun. it cant find a updatedb.conf, yet i dont know where its looking ????? (catch 22)
22:53<dataangel>lsof wont help, as it is only going to list the open files at the time i execute the command
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22:54<Xenguy>dataangel: it does sound like a manpage solution, but you said you have checked already
22:55<gsimmons>dataangel: You'll need to pass --conf-miss to dpkg if you wish to reinstall missing configuration files.
22:55<gsimmons>!tell dataangel -about confmiss
22:56<Xenguy>gsimmons: nice tip
22:56<MrNaz`>Xenguy thanks for that
22:56<Xenguy>MrNaz`: yw
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22:57<dataangel>nice one, i was just thinking that what i wanted to tell locate to do was look in all directorys but due to all the confusion i forgot what i was orginally looking for (but i think i give that dpkg thing a shot .
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23:00<dataangel>hmm dpkg -i --force-confmiss locate = error processing locate (cannot access archive)
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23:00<dataangel>is there a way to handle this via aptitude ( i already tried reinstalling the package)
23:01<gsimmons>dataangel: The relevant aptitude command to use in within the confmiss factoid.
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23:01<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
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23:03<dataangel>hmmm still no updatedb.conf
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23:05<dataangel>this is beyond frustating , i am going to take a break but first copy your suggestions to a text file ... thanks anyway, somehow iwill fix this mess
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23:08<MrNaz`>Xenguy hey, i dont suppose you'd know... given that i have an ibm xseries 330 with raid card, am i better off using linux software raid or the hardware raid ?
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23:10<shivraj>anyone know how to mount a phillips gogear mp3 player ?
23:11<Xenguy>MrNaz`: don't know offhand, but generally h/w raid is considered superior and more expensive :-) Whatever works is your best choice in the end
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23:15<enouf>MrNaz`: you still haven't found support for that thing?
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23:17<MrNaz`>enouf turns out the card was faulty
23:17<MrNaz`>the machine has two cards, i just swapped them around and it now works
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23:17<MrNaz`>the card detects, but the drives dont when i plug them into the other one
23:17<MrNaz`>so probably broken connector or something
23:23<shivraj>gnomad2 ?? hmmm .......
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23:23<enouf>MrNaz`: which module is needed for the cards? i
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23:25<enouf>MrNaz`: which module is needed for the cards? i'm looking in ./drivers/scsi/Kconfig but am a bit confused with an exact match - though you should look through that file - and search the source for 'xseries', i found some perhaps unrelated things to the card/controller, but boot options concerning calgary iommu and such - not sure
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23:26<enouf>hrm; config SCSI_IPS
23:26<enouf> tristate "IBM ServeRAID support"
23:26<MrNaz`>enouf when i switched the cards over it Just Worked(tm) with the debian installer detecting the cards and running as normal
23:27<enouf>MrNaz`: well, that's all well and good - you could look at lsmod
23:27<MrNaz`>yea, once debian is actually running heh i'm still installing
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23:28<enouf>heh, the URL referred to in the ./drivers/scsi/Kconfig doesn't resolve
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23:43<koxel>I have a question..;;
23:44<koxel>I installed debian testing.
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23:45<tadeu>boa noite
23:46<tadeu>alguem sabe alguma maneira para criar um live cd baseado no debian lenny
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23:49<chealer__>!tell tadeu about pt
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23:50<libervisco>Lenny Beta2 has GNOME 2.22, right?
23:52<koxel>'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' shows only keyboard settings..
23:52<koxel>i want show vieo option and resolution options.. how to??
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23:53<chealer>koxel: what video options?
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23:54<isi>hola debian
23:54<koxel>i want to select video driver and resolution..
23:54<isi>how are you
23:55<koxel>but it don't show this options..
23:55<koxel>but it doesn't show this options..
23:55<isi>fix my hard disk for got sake
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