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---Logopened Fri Jun 27 00:00:00 2008
00:00-!-chealer__ is now known as chealer
00:00<chealer>shze: what does $ apt-show-versions; output?
00:00<blackbite>i can setup mi sound card
00:01<blackbite>the alsa driver isn`t recognize mi sound card
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00:02<blackbite>i run the alsaconf from menu
00:02<blackbite>but stil nothing
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00:02<gsimmons>blackbite: What sound device do you have?
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00:02<shze>chealer: this list of packages:
00:06<KrnlPanic>did you try playing around in control center/sound... and testing different inputs?
00:07<chealer>shze: "Candidate: (none)" looks abnormal. maybe something is wrong with your APT pins.
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00:07<gsimmons>blackbite: You'll need to be more specific. Install the 'pciutils' package and provide the output received for "lspci -nn | grep -i audio". Use a paste site if this output is more than three lines.
00:07<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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00:10<shze>chealer: do you mean python-central? i cant even find "Candidate: (none)"
00:10<blackbite>Audio device [0403]: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio [10de:03f0] (rev a2)
00:10<KrnlPanic>the nvidia drivers won't install... they complain about gcc, which is installed... but probably not the version they're looking for
00:10<dpkg>Support for the nVidia MCP61 audio controller was included from ALSA 1.0.13. For Etch, either build and install an 'alsa-modules-*' package for your current kernel (ie. "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i alsa && invoke-rc.d alsa reload"), or install an updated kernel from either <> or <etchandahalf>.
00:10<gsimmons>blackbite: ^^^^
00:11<blackbite>i hope that resolve my problem
00:11<blackbite>thanks agayn
00:12<mhymn>blackbite: i have sound after compiling alsa -driver myself, that might help too
00:12<KrnlPanic>i'm trying to get better resolution out of my nvida TNT2 card
00:12<KrnlPanic>but the drivers from the nvidia site won't install
00:13<blackbite>this is the firs time
00:13<blackbite>that i use debian
00:13<KrnlPanic>i'm running lenny
00:13<blackbite>and a mounth wen i started to use linu
00:13<blackbite>and a mounth wen i started to use linux
00:13-!-johns` is now known as johns
00:13<blackbite>i`m a verry begginer
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00:14<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
00:16<chealer>shze: yes. you have that in
00:17<shze>chealer: yes, sry, i was looking in
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00:18<shze>chealer: you're completely right, i had python-central pinned to 0.6.6
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00:19<shze>removing the pin results in the right output for apt-show-version and apt-cache policy python-central
00:19<chealer>KrnlPanic: is X using nv or vesa?
00:20<shze>chealer: thanks for your help!
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00:24<KrnlPanic>damn, will any of the terminal windows accept a paste?
00:25<KrnlPanic>or do i have to type everything out
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00:27<chealer>KrnlPanic: X terminal emulator do, yes
00:27<KrnlPanic>Is there a way to paste into a xterminal?
00:27<chealer>KrnlPanic: yes (you can click on paste)
00:28<javo>KrnkPanic: middle click with the mouse, or shift+insert
00:28<javo>KrnlPanic: middle click with the mouse, or shift+insert
00:31<KrnlPanic>the only drivers comming up are kbd and mouse
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00:33<KrnlPanic>but i probably screwed up the grep command :((
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00:37<KrnlPanic>grep: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4: No such file or directory
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00:40<KrnlPanic>maybe neither vesa nor nv drivers are being used
00:40<KrnlPanic>and i'm on plain old VGA?
00:42<KrnlPanic>the text in console mode is unusually LARGE
00:45<chealer>KrnlPanic: unlikely, but you can always check the log
00:45<liberfiasco>Hi.. is "Adjust Date & Time" menu item of the GNOME clock applet broken for others as well? It's broken for me on both sid and lenny for weeks now.
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00:59<kerz>argh debian is crashin
01:00<kerz>says something that the greeter application doesnt start
01:00<kerz>if i try starting any app that uses a gui it doesnt start
01:01<kerz>can anyone help?
01:02<kerz>:( never installing anything from sid again
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01:03<kerz>do i kill gdm or something?
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01:07<kerz>do i run a rescue then? or reinstall debian?
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01:17<KrnlPanic>kernel: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
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01:18<KrnlPanic>nothing in the logs to indicate that a vidio card was found... other than my Swann video capture card
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01:19<tenzind>hi .. libldap2 isnt in lenny ?
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01:20<KrnlPanic>kernel: CORE cx88[0]: subsystem: c180:c980, board: Shenzhen Tungsten Ages Tech TE-DTV-250 / Swann OEM [card=55,autodetected]
01:21<KrnlPanic>that's a video capture card for webcams
01:21<KrnlPanic>no nvidia riva TNT2 there anywhere
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01:22<Raina>can anyone help me with PPPOE?
01:23<KrnlPanic>I've got a dumb kernel... can't find spit
01:23<Raina>or more specifically why it works all nicely until about 60 second after bootup, then will only work if I specify the ppp0 interface
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01:25<jm_>KrnlPanic: lspci -nn
01:26<jm_>Raina: configure it via interfaces file
01:26<Raina>well that's the thing... I just reinstalled etch last night, PPPOE is fine for like 60 seconds
01:26<Raina>I'm connected, ping works normally
01:27<Raina>then about 60 seconds later it'll only work if I ping -I ppp0
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01:28<jm_>check routing
01:28<Raina>well that was going to be my next question
01:29<Raina>I've got a total of 4 interfaces
01:29<Raina>loopback, eth0 eth1 and ppp0
01:29<Raina>eth0 is plugged into the DSL box
01:29<Raina>should I make the gateway of Eth0 the IP address of ppp0?
01:29<KrnlPanic>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] [10de:002d] (rev 15)
01:29<Raina>which is static
01:29<gsimmons>tenzind: It was removed to resolve bug #473047. The replacement package is 'libldap-2.4-2'.
01:30<KrnlPanic>jm_, yes thanks... it shows up
01:30<jm_>no, the default gateway should most likely be whatever pppd sets (and it gets it from your PPP server)
01:31<Raina>hmm.. k.. I'll mess with routing then
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01:32<jm_>in other words, don't set def. gw on eth0/eth1 and make sure appropriate option is set in ppp's option file
01:32<tenzind>gsimmons, I am trying to install the package libpt-plugins-v4l2. But I get the error "libpt-1.10.0: Depends: libldap2 (>= 2.1.17-1) which is a virtual package." even though I have libldap-2.4-2 installed
01:33<jm_>libldap-2.4-2 doesn't provide libldap2
01:33<jm_>it replaces it, so it may be the other package is at fault
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01:40<tenzind>a bug in libpt-1.10.0 then?
01:44<kerz>is there a console based im?
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01:45<jm_>yes, there are several solutions to use IM with tty apps
01:48<jm_>center(icq|im), bitlbee and so on
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02:06<Flare>Is there anybody here?
02:06<jm_>no, we're all over there
02:06*Flare walks over there
02:06<Flare>I still cant see anybody
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02:08<Flare>Let me try again. Is there anybody here who can help me figure out how to get a GUI for the recent version of Debian
02:08<Flare>Ive looked all over and nothing ive found hash elped so far
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02:13<jm_>!install x
02:13<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, or <install kde>, or <install xfce>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
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02:20<kerz>hmmm? but doesnt debian come with x installed
02:20<jm_>not by default no
02:21<kerz>hmm then what is it u use to see the command line?
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02:21<jm_>what do you mean?
02:22<kerz>nothing... so X is the I\O server?
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02:22<Joris_>kerz: tty's?
02:22<kerz>hmm oh
02:22<jm_>no, X is a portable, network-transparent window system
02:23<kerz>and that means...?? its like gnome? but primitive?
02:23<jm_>it's the foundation for GNOME
02:25<kerz>hmm so its...hmm bah nvm ill never understand such a thing with my puny brain :(
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02:26<kerz>AHA the prob is with gtk
02:26<kerz>damn :( back to start
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02:30<kerz>hmm i dont know how to see webpages ill check ltr
02:31<jm_>tty browsers include links, lynx, w3m ...
02:31<kerz>yes but i dunno how to use em... :(
02:32<jm_>huh? they have menus, mouse works in them
02:32<kerz>cant use mouse
02:32<jm_>install gpm
02:32<kerz>no im on tty
02:33<jm_>yes gpm is for tty
02:33<kerz>i broke my system lol
02:33<kerz>oh so i can use mouse?
02:33<jm_>you have my permission!
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02:35<kerz>man if this keeps going im changing to console only
02:35<kerz>bah hell ill just update completely
02:37<kerz>nice... it works :D im off... my brain doesnt work this late in he morning with no sleep
02:38<kerz>ltr and thx jm
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03:32<Nearsight>Hi :) I'm having some issues installing Matlab on my local debian box (lenny amd64), the problem seems debian related, that's why I'm asking here for help
03:33<Nearsight>I followed the installtion instructions, but got this ( error output on console... someone knows, where the error probably lies?
03:34<jm_>do what it says or /msg dpkg sux ; /msg dpkg runstuffasroot
03:34<Nearsight>or is the error really amtlab specific?
03:34<jm_>it's user error
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03:35<Nearsight>I tried it with ./install -t, which made me view the license, but producing the same error right afterwards
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03:36<Nearsight>jm_: running it as root won't work either
03:37<Nearsight>got same error, tho
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03:38<jm_>Nearsight: you didn't ask dpkg for advice it seems
03:38<Nearsight> /msg dpkg sux
03:39<Nearsight>how is that supposed to work anyway?
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03:41<Nearsight>jm_: would you be so kind, to tell me, how to ask dpkg? I'm notusing irc quite often
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03:43<jm_>Nearsight: just type "/msg dpkg sux" in your IRC client, and then the other one
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03:45<Nearsight>jm_: thanks, asking myself why i didn't work, when i tried it the first time
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04:00<Nearsight>hm, I'm still getting the same error msg with sux... I think the problem might be lying somewhere else, cause: if I start the install-script without being root 8which should the installer anyway) I'm getting the same error msg
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04:15<DV8TioN>Hello all
04:16<DV8TioN>Anyone know where to get FreeDVD Codecs?
04:19<enouf>!tell DV8TioN -about dmme
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04:23<dunamis>!tell dunamis -about dmme
04:23<dunamis>nice bot :)
04:24<DV8TioN>Thanks enouf
04:25<enouf>!tell dunamis -about msg the bot
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04:27<Nearsight>jm_: worked out so far, thanks... sux blew my display driver, but gksu worked... thanks fpr pointing the direction
04:28<jm_>Nearsight: sux alone did that? that's insane
04:29<Nearsight>dunno, but after messing with sux, gnome become non-responsive... after reboot, the driver was damaged
04:29<Nearsight>had to reinstall it
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04:31<Nearsight>anyway, all back to normal, matlab running fine
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04:38<DV8TioN>enouf: Getting this error when I do what you told dpkg to tell me... "W: GPG error: etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
04:38<DV8TioN>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems"
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04:38*simonrvn points at the /topic ...
04:39<jm_>that is a warning, not an error
04:39<jm_>and d-m FAQ explains what to do
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05:06<padski>should a query for an AAAA record ever return a PTR ?!
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05:21<d4de>guys, I've installed windows XP on VM and the sound was working fine, and all of the sudden it just stopped working for the VM with a message saying "Sound was disabled, /dev/dsp is busy or unavailable"
05:21<DV8TioN>d4de: Perhaps some Linux application is using it?
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05:21<padski>d4de, reminds me of OSS
05:22<d4de>well I have no application running for sound atm
05:22<padski>d4de, what desktop or wm are you running ?
05:22<jm_>then it might be it's unavailable, how about that?
05:22<d4de>no it's working for the host system
05:22<d4de>just not for the VM
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05:23<padski>d4de, what VM ?
05:23<jm_>host system may be using ALSA, not OSS
05:23<d4de>yeah it is using alsa
05:24<d4de>but the weird thing is, it was working fine
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05:24<padski>d4de, I hear the cool kids are using kvm
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05:24<jm_>until someone changed things yes, pretty common
05:25<petemc>kvm doesnt come close to vmware for ease of use
05:25<d4de>well yeah, besides .... vmware has much much more options and things that I can do with it
05:26<d4de>I mean it's not a problem of vmware, I'm sure of it
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05:26<padski>petemc, and it doesn't run on ya mac either :-)
05:26<padski>isn't there some alsa oss thingy ?
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05:27<jm_>there is of course
05:27<d4de>just tell me how to find out what is using the /dev/dsp .... cause I just can't see anything running actually using sound
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05:28<d4de>ummmm tried "lsof | grep -i dsp" and nothing
05:28<jm_>lsmod|grep oss
05:29<d4de>still nothing
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05:29<d4de>I just can't see how dsp is busy by another app, while infact there is nothing using it
05:30<d4de>can it be some permission issue? but I ran vmware as root and still the problem persist
05:30<jm_>so the fact lsmod doesn't list oss modules doesn't tell you it's not available?
05:31<d4de>well oss modules are installed
05:31<jm_>but not loaded
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05:32<d4de>well if they are not loaded, how come I'm actually playing this song atm
05:32<jm_>I am pretty soon going to give up
05:33<d4de>I know it's pretty confusing thou
05:33<d4de>I've reinstalled vmware, and still the problem exist
05:34<jMCg>How do I show why a package was installed -- or, which packages depend on <package>?
05:34<jm_>jMCg: aptitude will show you if it was auto/manually installed
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05:35<jm_>you can also say aptitude why
05:36<jMCg>On lenny, yes. Not on Etch.
05:36<jm_>isn't auto/manual also true for etch?
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05:37<d4de>well I'm running etchnhalf, and it's working which is basically a newer kernel on etch
05:37<d4de>so yeah it's working on both
05:37<jMCg>jm_: yes.
05:37<jMCg>d4de: what version of aptitude are you sporting?
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05:38<jm_>jMCg: there's also apt-rdepends
05:38<jMCg>That's lenny's aptitude.
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05:39<d4de>well you can upgrade it regardless of the distro thou
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05:39<d4de>I told you, I'm not running lenny, and still have this version of aptitude
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07:07<Guest2218>how can i check if a external drive is connected to a usb2.0 port
07:08<petemc>iifit ehci, its 2.0
07:08<petemc>s/iifit/if its/
07:08<Guest2218>how do i find my drive in this list
07:08<Guest2218>i know it is mounted as sda now
07:09<petemc>dmesg|grep sda
07:10<Guest2218>ok but i get a lot of output here
07:10<themill>fdisk -l can help too
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07:11<petemc>Guest2218: you're looking for the mention of ehci
07:13<Guest2218>dmesg |grep sda |grep ehci givesnothing
07:13<petemc>dmesg |grep -i ehci
07:14<fusch>hi, on my console there are random(?) line breakes which make it hard to read the output. any ideas what this could be? the corruption already starts at boot time.
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07:15<Guest2218>ok i got ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: USB 2.0 started, EHCI 1.00, driver 10 Dec 2004 but how can i know that where my hard disk sda is
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07:18<dpkg>one warez list being sent to mago5
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07:18<Guest2218>ok i guess the way usb works will not fit my needs I will have to do it myself
07:19<Guest2218>thanks for the help bye
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07:23<Woet>apache2 only listens to 1 IP by default
07:23<Woet>how do I make it listen to another one too?
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07:25<dpkg>one warez list being sent to sergio
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07:26<dpkg>one warez list being sent to guest2224
07:26<themill>Guest2224: stop that would you
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08:02<hlfshell>hey all - i am trying to get my debian pc onto the wifi at the lab i work - they use WPA Enterprise encryption, and im having trouble setting it up....
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08:02<hlfshell>i was wondering if anyone has experience that they can help me set up the wifi....
08:03<dpkg>somebody said wpa was Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs).
08:04<hlfshell>ty chatbot
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08:06<hlfshell>hmmm got this error when installing the package:
08:06<hlfshell>Errors were encountered while processing:
08:06<hlfshell> libx11-6
08:06<hlfshell> libxfixes3
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08:06<hlfshell> libcairo2
08:06<hlfshell>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
08:06<hlfshell>well that was stupid of me
08:06<dpkg>[wpa] Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (esp. "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs).
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08:08<renginez>anyone here had successfully installed aircrack on debian? i am stuck at ther the sysfs or the iw command is available part...i try get help from aircrack irc no one seems to be helping, tried googling, saw 2 person had similar problems but no one had a solution...i hope someone here wif kindness can help me out...if they noe...thanks,,
08:09<renginez>gsimmons: hey pal..r u on9? btw any chance u r using aircrack? sorry for the disturbs.
08:09<Ikarus>renginez: it's called ask the owner of the network, bum
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08:09<renginez>Ikarus: from the irc?
08:10<renginez>im newbie btw
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08:10<renginez> anyone?
08:10<E0x>what is the problem that you have ?
08:11<Ikarus>renginez: using someone else's computer resources, including the network is _illegal_, and as you appaerently lack the knowledge to make it work, I doubt you are doing this for research purposes
08:11<E0x>you can't install aircrack ? o you don't know how use it ?
08:11*E0x Ikarus indeed
08:12<renginez>E0x: i don't know how to use it i guess....hoever i am following the instruction very well...but im stuck at airmon-ng start gives me : ther the sysfs or the iw command is available....
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08:14<E0x>wlan0 is you wifi interface ? ( iwconfig can confirm it ) are you using ndiswrapper ? what chipset is you cart ? you can't use all cart for monitore mode btw .
08:14<E0x>need wireless-tool install too
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08:15<renginez>yes, its wlan0, n i dun think im using ndiswrapper.....n i am using a ralink rt73 (dlink dwa110) supports monitor mode.
08:16<renginez>as for wireless-tools. i did install gud fren here thought me ;-)
08:16<E0x>that chipset have native driver for linux
08:17<E0x> i think
08:17<vnode>hi, which MTA you'd recommend?
08:17<renginez>yeah...i had the driver working here...infact i tried airmon-ng start wlan0 it showed the interface type, chipset and the driver...
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08:17<petemc>exim or postfix
08:18<E0x>try with iwconfig set you cart in monitor mode and just launch airodump-ng
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08:18<E0x>renginez: you tell me firts that you are using ndiswrapper so that mean you are using the windows drivers in linux
08:18<E0x>and i tell you that are native driver for linux
08:19<E0x>i don't get it .. :|
08:19<renginez>sorry, i am not using ndiswrapper..
08:19<renginez>i think u got it wrong...;-)
08:20<renginez>i tried gave me a ist of option...
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08:21<E0x>!dpkg it
08:21<dpkg>i heard #debian-it is Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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08:22<renginez>i think i need ta get the iw command tar.gz or says on the airmon-ng...
08:22<dpkg>it has been said that part is a win32 partition editor and the homepage at
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08:24<renginez>btw, anyone know does debian has iw command?
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08:34<renginez>btw, anyone know does debian has iw command?
08:34<petemc>renginez: /msg dpkg search
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08:37<renginez>nvm...ill try reformat n reinstall debian to get the aircrack working...
08:37<renginez>done it 10 times.
08:38<petemc>thats the spirit
08:38<renginez>it does the magic though ;-)
08:38<renginez>lol....oways the best way
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08:40<renginez>btw i just need some survey.....any of u guys had successfully install aircracK? do not get the wrong side...its a not tryna get worries..
08:41<jm_>no I don't use wireless
08:41<renginez>jm_: thats great...n good for connection oways work the best.
08:42<renginez>anyone else?
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08:46<renginez>well...i guess not even a survey i can do it successfully...however thanks guys for ya time...appreciated it.
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08:53<petterson>good morning all
08:53<petterson>Yesterday I was trying to configure java plugin for amd64 (debian etch)
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08:54<petterson>and followed some guides, but I thought then too hard and with too errors
08:54<petterson>anyone can point me to a good guide?
08:54<jm_>java is in debian, install packages
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08:55<petterson>jm_ not for amd64 architecture
08:55<petterson>hi mata
08:56<mata>If my usb mouse doesnt work, what can I do ? Usb interface works with another usb mouse, but the current one doesn't even show its red light (optical mouse; the other one did)
08:56<renginez>hi mata
08:56<renginez>nice nick
08:57<mata>why ? :)
08:57<jm_>petterson: yes for amd64
08:57<WolfClaw>mata: if theres no light then the connector might be broken or the wire is damaged, coz even if the mouse is not detected, it should be egetting power
08:57<petterson>mata: I have this problem with one mouse ... changed it to other computer and the problem persisted ... I give up from it ... hehehe
08:57<jm_>mata: does it get detected by the kernel?
08:57<petterson>jm_ .... the plugin?
08:58<WolfClaw>have eyou tried it on another pc?
08:58<petterson>jm_: which package?
08:58<mata>i worked on another pc
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08:58<mata>jm_, which logs I have to grep (or which console ?) ?
08:59<jm_>petterson: no, JRE, plugin is missing, but you can still use java
08:59<jm_>mata: unplug it, dmesg > /tmp/d1, plug it in, dmesg > /tmp/d2 -- also cat /proc/bus/input/devices
08:59<petterson>jm_: how can I browse sites that use java without the plugin?
08:59<jm_>petterson: ohh I didn't mean in the browser, java in general, sorry
09:00<jm_>petterson: perhaps 32bit chroot then
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09:00<petterson>jm_: I followed some guides explaining how to do that (chroot) .... but I got a lot of problems ... it can be so hard too use java :(
09:00<petterson>jm_: do you know a good guide?
09:01<kapil_>petterson: (shameless plug) look at
09:01<WolfClaw>lol kapil_ :)
09:01<jm_>petterson: nope, but debootstrap and then apt-get sounds simple enough
09:01<WolfClaw>mata: whats your dmesg | tail say?
09:02<petterson>kapil_: I will read it, thank you (didn't understood the shameless plug, though ... poor english of mine) ....
09:03<kapil_>petterson: plug = advertisement. shameless = since it is my own article :-)
09:03<petterson>jm_: I don't know much about linux ... I'm really a newbie ... I will read it ... thank you :D
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09:09<ian> #debian-qt-kde
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09:14<renginez>anyone could be my personal tutor for linux? i pay $$$?
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09:15<ave>what you want to learn?
09:15<buffoon_work>hmm, if i do a "ping domain.local" i get an unknown host error, but if i do "dig domain.local" I get an IP, which responds to the ping
09:16<buffoon_work>any suggestions?
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09:17<renginez>ave: all....
09:18<draft>How to compile only ONE module (in my case UFS) with different options than the stock kernel ? (in order to be able to write on UFS partition) i downloaded a kernel, modified the .config file, but what are the command to compile a particular module (which is called "ufs") then to install it in the kernel i am running please ?
09:19<buffoon_work>same thing if I want to ping a server with the FQDN. But if I try it without the domain, the lookup of ping works
09:21<draft>anyone has an idea please ?
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09:36<rootkit_t>i setup pptp vpn server by default,but when i try to us win2003 to connect it,i got error 778,then i disable ms-chap v2 validate and get "Error 734: The PPP Link Control Protocol Was Terminated",anyone konw howto fix it?
09:38<rootkit_t>i setup pptp vpn server in debian4.0r3 by default,but when i try to us win2003 to connect it,i got error 778,then i disable ms-chap v2 validate and get "Error 734: The PPP Link Control Protocol Was Terminated",anyone konw howto fix it?
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09:45<dpkg>rumour has it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>.
09:46<mata_away>dmesg | tail - doesn't show something about the pluging of the mouse
09:46<dpkg>hmm... grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see For an install guide, see, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors>
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09:46<witte>!tell ian about msg the bot
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09:46<ian>What do you prefer: grub oder grub2 ?
09:48<witte>ian: grub2 is still "work in process", so there are some bugs, but classic grub is getting quite old...
09:48<witte>ian: I would give grub2 a go, and it should work if you don't have anything special installed on your machine...
09:48<witte>ian: if not, it is easy to switch to the legacy grub
09:49<ian>witte, I have installed it recently, but I am not familiar with the modular system
09:49<ian>witte, and the good old menu.lst was replaced by grub.cfg
09:49<witte>ian: the worst thing about grub2 is the absolute lack of decent documentation
09:49<ian>witte, Ah, I just wanted to ask you whether you know about a good tutorial in grub2 hacking
09:50<ian>witte, e.g. how to insert a splash image
09:50<witte>ian: no, but if you have one, please tell me :-)
09:50<ian>witte, perhaps I will write myself one after using it for some months ;-)
09:51<rootkit_t>i setup pptp vpn server in debian4.0r3 by default,but when i try to us win2003 to connect it,i got error 778,then i disable ms-chap v2 validate and get "Error 734: The PPP Link Control Protocol Was Terminated",anyone konw howto fix it?
09:51<witte>ian: you should have a look in /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme
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09:55<rootkit_t>i setup pptp vpn server in debian4.0r3 by default,but when i try to us win2003 to connect it,i got error 778,then i disable ms-chap v2 validate and get "Error 734: The PPP Link Control Protocol Was Terminated",anyone konw howto fix it?
09:55<witte>rootkit_t: no need to repeat your question every 5 minutes, if someone wants to and can help, he/she will
09:56<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
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09:57<witte>rootkit_t: I know nothing about vnc, but try to figure out what aspect is failing: server, client, authentication,...
09:57<mata>What can I do to get my usb mouse working ? It doesn't glow red after plugging in at this pc (at another it works) and dmesg | tail doesn't say anything about the plugging. (/proc/bus/input/devices only says something about the ps2 mouse, the keyboard and the pc speaker)
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10:00<witte>mata: tried different usb ports?
10:00<mata>witte, yes
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10:02<mata>also, another mouse worked at the usb port
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10:04<witte>mata: i have no idea, it should just work
10:04<witte>mata: or is a very special mouse (with special drivers?)
10:04<mata>thats what I'm thinking too :)
10:04<mata>no, did work before on another debian system
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10:05<witte>mata: you could check lsmod of that other system and see if there is something that is loaded on the one, and not on the other?
10:05<rootkit_t>i setup pptp vpn server in debian4.0r3 by default,but when i try to us win2003 to connect it,i got error 778,then i disable ms-chap v2 validate and get "Error 734: The PPP Link Control Protocol Was Terminated",anyone konw howto fix it?
10:05<witte>but, it really should just work, and this is only valid if it is a special mouse (don't which types have this, maybe a 17-button, 5 wheel mouse or so :P)
10:06<witte>!tell rootkit_t about repeat
10:07<witte>rootkit_t: don't do that
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10:35<buffoon_work>i have some DNS Problems: "ping prismbz.local" says "ping: unknown host prismbz.local" but "dig prismbz.local" gives me the right ip. if i try to ping a host without the FQDN, only with the hostname everything works fine
10:35<buffoon_work>tried with manual configuration and DHCP
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10:36<buffoon_work>it's problem because i want to join a Active Directory Domain.
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10:48<sheldonh>a buddy has called me for help with a debian install from dvd. he says its hanging at 50% "Installing grub boot loader". google says the bios and grub have miscommunicated, and grub is trying to install to the dvdrom device (hd0). any idea how to trick the installer?
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10:52*Yagisan waves hello
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10:53<Yagisan>is there some sort of python transition underway in unstable right now ? I'm having trouble installing buildbot in Debian GNU/Hurd
10:53<SlayerXP>mein gott
10:53<SlayerXP>a hurd user
10:53<SlayerXP>quick! someone summon a taxidermist
10:54<SlayerXP>well, when a say "a hurd user", I really mean "the hurd user"
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10:55<Yagisan>basically it appears to be a version mis-match - so I was wondering if a transition is underway so I can estimate when it will be installable
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10:55<Yagisan>SlayerXP, I may well be the only hurd user - openssh-server won't install - no PRNG ...
10:56<padski>Yagisan, according to a python transition already happenned.
10:56<Yagisan>thanks padski - I guess hurd must be lagging
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10:57<amphi>Yagisan: for extra security on the hurd, I used to symlink /dev/random to /bin/zsh, IIRC ;)
10:57<E0x>Yagisan: in which state are stand hurd righ now ?
10:58<renginez02>anyone here know whats the latest source links for debian etch? or a site which provides it all?
10:58<E0x>i mean , stability state
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10:58<amphi>Yagisan: I haven't had a hurd install for a good while
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10:58<Yagisan>E0x, I have a working commandline under kvm - and intend to turn it into a working buildbot
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10:59<E0x>Yagisan: ok
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10:59<Yagisan>the hurd box is the next on my list of boxen to bring up at ->
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11:00<Yagisan>E0x, I'm not looking to use X on it - just to trigger builds every hour
11:00<E0x>ok , i understand
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11:03<Yagisan>thus far the hurd system seems nice - feels like a regular debian box on the commandline (with some exceptions - like the nasty flashbacks I got installing it)
11:03<Yagisan>I was reminded of how not fun it was to install potato
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11:04<padski>is hurd qualifying for the lenny release ??
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11:08<Yagisan>no idea padski - I don't recall hurd ever making a release
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11:10<padski>Yagisan, I'm guessing not, the best I could find was
11:10<padski>I'd love to know what "is the port cursed" means :-)
11:11<Yagisan>thats cursed
11:11<Yagisan>my little sparc box won't go to lenny - no lenny for me
11:12<padski>Yagisan, this would be the lack of kernel maintainance upstream ?
11:12<Yagisan>exactly - cursed
11:13<padski>Yagisan, and does the term apply just to ports ?
11:13<Yagisan>I think my mips based router is actually faster then the sparc box anyway
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11:13<padski>I keep wondering when free sparc designs will rule the world :-)
11:13<Yagisan>padski, no idea - I'm just a user that pokes his head up when aptitude dist-upgrade fails
11:14<Yagisan>that reminds me - aptitude doesn't install on the hurd ...
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11:26<katsu>hello ?
11:26<padski>both a question and a greeting
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11:26<sysop>hi guys. I have a program that has a option for changing the log level for debuging but I cant find where its writing the log info to.
11:27<sysop>I looked in /var/log for a files called orange.log I looked in syslog. I dont know where else to loog
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11:28<sysop>I even grep-ed every log file looking for the name of the file and I all see is where I installed it.
11:28<sysop>and the sudo command I used to grep the files.
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11:31<padski>sysop, lsof
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11:32<mata>katsu, what ?
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11:47<renginez02>anyone here...had successfully install aircrack? i tried it but i just couldnt get it working? try to get help from net n irc of aircrack still no result...
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11:48<padski>renginez02, apt-get install aircrack-ng
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11:49<SlayerXP>renginez02: I expect you're not l33t enough to use it
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11:51<renginez02>SlayerXP: hey....yes i must admit that...but i sumhow manage to install it, but it happens that when i try to "airmon-ng start wlan0" it came out an error stating that : Neither sysfs nor iw is available....n so i get the iw, extracted it n stuck on "make" i get alot of errors....i wish i could be like u guys :-) seriously
11:52<SlayerXP>renginez02: why on earth are you compiling stuff?
11:52*fxiny has a green skin a trumpet shaped nose and 4 tails
11:52<fxiny>be like me :P
11:52<renginez02>padski: yes i tried it, but it does not support my chipset ralnik rt73, cus i have to patch it, this n that, the guy in aircrack irc (which MIA-ed) suggested me to get the latest tar.gz n compile it...
11:52<padski>fxiny, 4 tails ?
11:53<fxiny>padski: yes :)
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11:55<padski>whois was that doing kismet the other day with an rt73 ?
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11:55<renginez02>SlayerXP: i try not to as i said the guy suggested me, as i previously did this "apt-get install aircrak-ng" it showed me an error saying the driver does not support monitor or sumting like tat...n thats when the guy suggested me to compile it wif the latest aircrack. i did it, it showed ralink when i tried "airmon-ng" but couldnt startup? can u suggest or enlighten me pls...thanks pal...ill definitely appreciate it..
11:56<renginez02>padski: thats me, n thats rite..well i given up on that, as it don't work, now im trying sumtin new...but it happens the same...
11:58<padski>renginez02, what version do you ned ?
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12:00<renginez02>padski: thanks btw pal...however i need a version of 1.0 rc1
12:00<renginez02>latest one will do.
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12:01<padski>renginez02, according to their webpage that is the current version :-)
12:01<SlayerXP>renginez02: i suggest your refrain from using a computer until you're able to type complete english sentences, without all the l33tspeak nonsense.
12:03<renginez02>SlayerXP: sorry....then.
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12:04<renginez02>padski: bout the version that came from debian?
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12:21<padski>renginez02, there is a vmware appliance :-)
12:21<padski>with added rt73 driver :-)
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12:28<fantonio_br>Have already installed the module in the passenger apache to run applications Ruby?
12:28<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
12:29<padski>fantonio_br, libapache2-mod-ruby ?
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12:29<fantonio_br>padski, yes
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12:35<renginez02>padski: sorry for the late reply...vmware? its related to aircrack?
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12:38<padski>renginez02, I see on the homepage. depending on what you wish to acheive it might be easier. alternatively you could backport the version from lenny/sid (which is beta2, the version before rc1). even just install the dependencies and build-deps for beta2 might fix your problems with building and installing rc1, etc ...
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12:39<renginez02>padski: u sure lenny's aircrack goin to work with etch?
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12:39<ave>renginez02: yes this bacporting could be an idea
12:40<renginez02>great...i got the backport rite in my sources ist
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12:40<padski_>!simple sid backport
12:40<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>
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12:41<padski_>renginez02, how simple it is in practice depends on the details.
12:41<padski_>gottta go.
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12:41<renginez02>padski_: yeah...take care....can i add u btw..:-)
12:42<dpkg>well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
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12:55<renginez02>btw whats the backport sources.list deb link for lenny/sid?
12:56<avu>there is none?
12:56<avu>why should there be?
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12:59<kop>Is there an app like famd but that monitors nic status?
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13:03<fxiny>kop: to handle filesystem event ?
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13:04<themill>kop: ifplugd
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13:05<valdyn>kop: what do you really want to do?
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13:06<spanther>i've installed debian etch 32bit but i dont have sound (speaker icon has a red X on the upper right side panel part) i do have nvidia MCP65 chipset nForce520
13:06<cahoot>spanther: my guess would be too old alsaversion in kernel
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13:07<spanther>cahood i have 2.6.18-6 kernel
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13:07<cahoot>cat /proc/asound/version
13:08<spanther>file not found
13:09<spanther>maybe alsa isnt installed?
13:09<cahoot>should be included with kernel
13:09<cahoot>but obviously not loaded
13:11<spanther>do you know how to load it?
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13:14<cahoot>spanther: I believe more firmly you need a newer kernel/alsa version
13:15<cahoot>spanther: this is a laptop?
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13:15<spanther>nope tower :)
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13:16<cahoot>spanther: but on-board sounddevice?
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13:17<cahoot>spanther: AFAICT it wants snd-hda-intel as alsa module, the newer the better chance it works
13:17<spanther>like i said before MCP65 southbridge (gbit lan, sound, and many more) chipset and nForce520 northbridge
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13:19<spanther>cahoot, i see and how do i fix that? what to do now
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13:20<cahoot>spanther: personally I'd look for a backported kernel at least 2.6.20
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13:20<cahoot>spanther: alternatively you can manually update alsa with the help of module-assistant
13:20<spanther>i see well 2.6.25 works (opensuse 11 ones)
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13:21<spanther>no i wont have my fingers inside the kernel itself sorry :)
13:22*fxiny installs kernel-mamba-rc1
13:22<cahoot>don't it doesn't boot reliably
13:23<spanther>cahoot, i only can find linux-headers on backports :)
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13:24<spanther>like linux-headers-2.6-k7 2.6.24+13
13:24<cahoot>no linux-image?
13:24<cahoot>k7 is abandoned
13:25<spanther>well...yes weird as it is when i searched for "linux" it only found linux-headers but didnt show linux-images :)
13:25<spanther>i do have AMD64 6400+ x2
13:26<spanther>so what's about linux-image-2.6-686 v2.6.24+13 ?
13:26<cahoot>should do
13:27<spanther>installing with dpkg -i right?
13:27<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
13:28<spanther>i just downloaded the debian file but not the backports repository :)
13:28<cahoot>ok - then dpkg should do the ob
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13:28<spanther>weird error
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13:29<spanther>linux-image-2.6-686 depends on linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 but package linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 is not installed
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13:30<spanther>wrote an sources.list entry now
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13:32<spanther>okay that did the job now dependency problems are solved and i get my new kernel :)
13:33<cahoot>spanther: sound on computers is overrated anyway
13:33<spanther>LOL yeah :P
13:33<spanther>i think otherwise *g*
13:33<spanther>well yeah lets reboot now
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13:35<spanther>hooray sound :)
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13:36<spanther>okay now i need to have installed my geforce 8800gt and thats all hehe :)
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13:38<spanther>is there an easy howto since envy isnt available?
13:38<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
13:38<spanther>!nvidia one-liner
13:38<dpkg>methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
13:39<spanther>ha didnt work :)
13:39<spanther>it can't find nvidia-kernel-2.6-686
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13:43<spanther>oh yes what i wanted to ask whats with this new "MSI Wind" subnotebook ? is it supported?
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13:48<TheVilleLinux>hmm, question. Does this channel not let you join if you are logged in as root user?
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13:50<avu>TheVilleLinux, correct, it doesn't
13:50<avu>TheVilleLinux, you can check for yourself doing /mode +b
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13:51<TheVilleLinux>hmm, interesting - ty avu
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13:52<TheVilleLinux>well now that im in, i have a question - it isnt really debian specific but i dont know where else to bring this question on linux
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13:53<TheVilleLinux>if yall dont wanna answer it that is fine - I have read alot on terminal serial communication in linux, but it seems information is only available on how to connect a linux computer to a TERMINAL using the serial port.
13:53<TheVilleLinux>I would like to make linux emulate the terminal and speak to another computer
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13:54<gammlaa^da>kann mir jemand bei folgendem problem helfen?
13:54<TheVilleLinux>specifically one that is using 9600 baud, 7-bit with even parity serial communication
13:54<avu>gammlaa^da, englisch hier
13:54<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
13:54<TheVilleLinux>Is what im describing making sense?
13:55<avu>gammlaa^da, also, it seems like your vserver is out of memory
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13:56<TheVilleLinux>You see, I have a computer from the 1980's that was connected to a tektronix terminal that has since died - so I need this linux computer to emulate a terminal so I can continue to use the old computer
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13:56<avu>gammlaa^da, don't message me
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13:57<TheVilleLinux>im guess you have no suggestions, avu
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13:57<avu>TheVilleLinux, no, sorry
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14:07<Kjetil>Why on earth does debian reject your login if you supply a invalid username on a local console without asking for a password ?
14:07<fxiny>because debian is smart
14:08<fxiny>so you don't know Mr.Hyde has an account
14:08<Gathond>probably because usernames are not intended to be secret anyway
14:09<Gathond>same reason why before the spam sludge people helpfully bounced emails to non existant users
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14:20<d7rt>Gathond -- you say that as if there aren't still loads of bounces to non-existant users clogging up the interwebs
14:21<renginez02>anyone here noe wheres debians lenny repository site is???
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14:22<fxiny>everywhere , already reached world donatiuon : same places as etch and sid ;)
14:22<Gathond>d7rt: a lot less than there would have been:)
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14:23<renginez02>fxiny: is this the one .>>>>>>>>>
14:24<fxiny>renginez02: just change your sources s/etch/lenny or s/stable/testing
14:27<renginez02>fxiny: u mean in the sources.list....?
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14:27<renginez02>sorry newbie here
14:27<fxiny>renginez02: yes :)
14:28<fxiny>no worries : is pretty easy
14:28<renginez02>my current deb is stable main contrib non-free
14:28<fxiny>renginez02: then run as root or sudo aptitude update
14:29<fxiny>renginez02: change only the word stable with lenny
14:29<fxiny>renginez02: you can use etch instead of stable
14:29<renginez02>for both deb and deb src?
14:29<fxiny>yes . both
14:30<renginez02>ok got it, so thats all about lenny repository?
14:32<fxiny>renginez02: apt/aptitude will do it for you : apt-get update or aptitude update
14:32<fxiny>i suggest aptitude
14:32<renginez02>ok then its done?
14:32<fxiny>yes , it's done
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14:33<renginez02>fxiny: ur the best,...thanks.
14:33<fxiny>you can install lenny , try aptitude -s dist-upgrade first . -s is just a simulatin
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14:34<renginez02>fxiny: ill try that later
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14:34<fxiny>no i'm not the best , here you are the best
14:34<fxiny>dpkg rulez
14:34<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
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14:38<renginez02>ok take care fxiny
14:38<renginez02>god bless
14:38<renginez02>all of u guys
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14:40<renginez02>fxiny: btw chnaging the stable to lenny will upgrade to lenny dist?
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14:42<fxiny>renginez02: yes , dont' forget to run #aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade
14:42<Simon_42>renginez02: sure, if you do a dist-upgrade afterwards...
14:42<fxiny>renginez02: dut check first >>> -s dist-upgrade
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14:44<renginez02>fxiny: but i dun wanna upgrade to lenny dist? now im on the process of "apt-get update" can i cancel it?
14:45<fxiny>renginez02: that will be fine , you can change back to etch later
14:46<fxiny>renginez02: aptitude -s will show you exactly what will happen . if you are happy just run aptitude dist-upgrade or go back to etch
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14:46<renginez02>fxiny: ok, so can i get the latest libnl file from lenny by "apt-get install libnl-dev"?
14:46<fxiny>renginez02: that is wrong
14:47<fxiny>renginez02: as a bewginner you should avoid having a mix system
14:47<fxiny>renginez02: you can check for a better solution installing backports
14:47<dpkg> is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
14:48<renginez02>but i need to get the latest libnl 1.0-pre8?
14:48<fxiny>renginez02: ^^^^
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14:48<renginez02>i'd done backports but it stll gives me some old libnl...
14:48<fxiny>renginez02: so check aptitude -s and see the output on screen
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14:49<renginez02>fxiny: or mayb i had my sources.list made wrong...but thats not possible however ill pastebin for u to take a peek
14:49<renginez02>im using multiple source
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14:51<renginez02>fxiny: i did aptitude -s...all i see is blank screen n blue n full wif options..
14:52<fxiny>renginez02: just try aptitude -s install libnl-whatever
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14:53<fxiny>renginez02: is it libnl1-pre6 ?
14:55<renginez02>its libnl1-pre8
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14:57<renginez02>how do i get libnl1-pre8 from aptitude not familar with the keys there///
14:58<fxiny>renginez02: aptitude -s install libnl1-pre8
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14:59<fxiny>renginez02: a mixed system is bad , i'd upgrade to lenny
14:59<renginez02>fxiny: nothing is installed, removed or updates...
14:59<kenon>'scp tempest:TEST tempest:TEST2' doesn't work. Have I misunderstood the manpage? Both 'scp tempest:TEST TEST2' and 'scp TEST tempest:TEST2' work.
15:00<fxiny>renginez02: did you run aptitude update ?
15:00<renginez02>fxiny: i thought lenny is still unstable or testing?
15:00<renginez02>yes i did "apt-get update"
15:00<fxiny>is testing coming stable end of this year
15:00<renginez02>fxiny: is it nice...i mean the gui...
15:01<fxiny>renginez02: right so check : apt-cache policy libnl1-pre8
15:01<fxiny>is the testing version already installed ?
15:02<renginez02>It says installed: none, candidtae: none, version table: (nothing..just blank)
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15:02<renginez02>u mean lenny testing version dist?
15:02<fxiny>something is wrong , can you paste your sources in a bin ?
15:03<kenon>The former scp command fails with 'can't open /dev/tty: No such device or address'
15:04<fxiny>scp file boxname:/path
15:05<kenon>Yes, local to remote, or remote to local both work.
15:05<renginez02>fxiny: ok wait a moment
15:05<renginez02>btw i need to update the libnl, libnl-dev, networkmanager and wpa_supplicant too?
15:05<renginez02>just 4 n enuff for my lunch
15:05<kenon>But it does also say 'Copies between two remote hosts are permitted.' And I could swear I've done it before in the distant past.
15:06<fxiny>renginez02: is aptitude telling you to update all of 'em ?
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15:07<renginez02>fxiny: i dun think so...but i need to update them...i need to work on sumtin...for sum projects/ ;-)
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15:08<fxiny>renginez02: why don't you just upgrade to lenny then ? a mixed up system can break anytime . do a nice clean install or upgrade
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15:10<renginez02>fxiny: well for ur info, i had this icon right beside my network connection icon, it says there, 84 updates are available....(it says keep ur system up-to-date, shall i just mark all n leave it updated)....btw wats the min requirement for lenny?
15:10<renginez02>so far no problems using it?
15:11<fxiny>renginez02: takes time to master a mixed up debian system
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15:13<renginez02>fxiny: so shall i update what the icon says?
15:13<fxiny>renginez02: if all apps/version are on lenny just move to it , plan check take your notes whatever . don't mix , don't stay on etch
15:14<renginez02>well if i accidently mix it, then i shall reformat n install lenny...just to try on...
15:14<fxiny>renginez02: why ? you can run : aptitude -s upgrade to make sure it won'0t break
15:14<fxiny>renginez02: -s is you best friend
15:15<renginez02>aptitude -s upgrade (will let me to lenny?)
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15:16<fxiny>renginez02: nope . dist-upgrade will
15:16<renginez02>so aptitude -s upgrade will just keep all my stuffs updated?
15:16<fxiny>renginez02: 84 updates are not enough
15:17<fxiny>renginez02: upgrade won't install extra packages , you shold read many "on hold"
15:17<renginez02>fxiny: just incase heres my sources.list :
15:17<fxiny>renginez02: dist-upgrade downloads install all
15:18<fxiny>renginez02: comment out all bpo lines
15:19<renginez02>fxiny: i dun see bpo?
15:19<fxiny>renginez02: >>> deb
15:19<fxiny>renginez02: use only official lenny
15:20<fxiny>renginez02: update again
15:20<renginez02>fxiny: i can't have multiples?
15:20<fxiny>renginez02: why ? lenny is fine
15:20<renginez02>ok hold on
15:20<fxiny>renginez02: yes you can technically have multiples
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15:21<fxiny>but why ? if you want lenny just use lenny sources
15:22<fxiny>renginez02: i'm not sure you can successfully upgrade to lenny , you said your system is mixed
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15:22<fxiny>renginez02: that's why i'm telling you to check with -s dist-upgrade
15:22<renginez02>so when its upgraded to lenny, it is fully lenny? then y not i reformat n install lenny from cd instead :P
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15:23<renginez02>bardamu: hi
15:23<bardamu>i want install kazehakase but i can't
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15:23<fxiny>renginez02: it takes 5 seconds to check if you can : aptitude -s dist-upgrade , read aptitude output
15:24<renginez02>fxiny: is it ok now (my sources.list...just to recheck) :
15:24<renginez02>ok ill cek 1st
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15:25<fxiny>renginez02: can't get
15:26<Guest2297>My question is is nonfree under the testing directory?
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15:26<renginez02>fxiny: sorry its
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15:27<fxiny>Gathond: non-free
15:27<fxiny>Gathond: tab completion
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15:27<fxiny>DavidRoderick: non-free
15:28<renginez02>fxiny: i did "aptitude -s dist-upgrade" i saw lots oh words and it ask leave the following dependencies unsolved? [y,n,q]?
15:28<DavidRoderick>the problem is that get a problem it say cannot stat testing/nonfree So this indicates that nonfree is a subdirectory of testing which does not work
15:29<fxiny>renginez02: comment out the cdrom line as well . aptitude -s dist-upgrade showing you dependencies problems
15:29<fxiny>DavidRoderick: nonfree is wrong , non-free is correct
15:30<renginez02>fxiny: so what i should do wif the dependencies? put a yes, no or quit?
15:31<fxiny>renginez02: check apt-get -s dist-upgrade now , aptitude can get confused
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15:32<renginez02>fxiny: btw for the souces.list, u sure i should comment out the ALL cdrom lines?
15:32<fxiny>yes , you are on line
15:32<renginez02>yes im on9
15:33<fxiny>and is etch ;)
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15:33<renginez02>fxiny: yeah
15:33<renginez02>sources.list left four its ok rite?
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15:34<DavidRoderick>Is there any way to search the list of packages without using a web browser. Just say I can remember part of a name. Is there a command like apropos to search the package list
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15:35<renginez02>fxiny: i did "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" now the screen is goin matrix style
15:35<fxiny>DavidRoderick: apt-cache search <packagename>
15:35<renginez02>all debian:testing
15:35<renginez02>n done now
15:35<fxiny>renginez02: matrix ? hahahah some 1G debs to install :)
15:36<fxiny>to be installed*
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15:36<renginez02>ok done now...whats next
15:36<fxiny>next is you reading it and making a decision :)
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15:38<fxiny>DavidRoderick: pipe to grep your search : apt-cache search editor | grep emacs
15:38<renginez02>fxiny: pretty decision is get the four things updated libnl, libnl-dev, networkmanager and get a program working....if it works ...n the etch seems to act weird ill install a fresh lenny later that possible?
15:39<renginez02>so ill have it update
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15:39<bardamu> --> help pleas
15:39<fxiny>renginez02: that's the best thing you can do , yeahhh : good luck :)
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15:39<dpkg>Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr
15:40<renginez02>bardamu: ^^^^
15:40<renginez02>click click
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15:40<bardamu>why in french ?
15:40<renginez02>bardamu: lol i thought u only speak french
15:41<bardamu>i speak english, french, spanish, turkish, japanese...
15:41<renginez02>well....i dun know how to read ur lines in i think u mite get help from debian french
15:41<bardamu>but there is nobody in #debian-fr
15:41<renginez02>i doubt theres many ppl here who knows french too ;)
15:41<fxiny>bardamu: is it etch ?
15:41<bardamu>no unstable
15:41<renginez02>lenny i see
15:41<qq>bardamu, /join debian-fr
15:42<qq>bardamu, /join #debian-fr
15:42<bardamu>yes, i am
15:42<renginez02>btw bardamu u can try freenode n join #debian-fr
15:42<qq><bardamu> what ? but there is nobody in #debian-fr ?
15:42<fxiny>could it be some ruby issue ?
15:42<fxiny>i'm on etch
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15:43<renginez02>btw fxiny: before i leave, s ill get my updates on the pop out just now>? i meant the 84 updates i mention just now?
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15:43<renginez02>bardamu: did u try freenode
15:43<dondelelcaro>bardamu: oh, you can ask here in english; it's fine. If you could reproduce that error with LANG=C blabhablh; command, that'd work.
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15:44<renginez02>bardamu: or that
15:44<renginez02>i ean what dondelelcaro says
15:44<bardamu>renginez02: yes
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15:44<dondelelcaro>bardamu: you just can't ask here in french (or any non-english language) because those of us who do understand those languages are already in the language specific channels
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15:45<fxiny>renginez02: you can see all 84 packages when running : aptitude -s upgrade
15:45<renginez02>bardamu: yeap beter option is translate it..
15:45<renginez02>or i try to translate for u
15:45<dondelelcaro>best to just run with LANG=C; it'll be more familiar to the rest of us
15:45<qq>dondelelcaro, renginez02 : its ok <bardamu> is comming in debian-fr
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15:46<renginez02>but theres no one there? impossible he could get help
15:46<dondelelcaro>whatever works; ;-)
15:46<fxiny>i see : kazehakase-gecko and kazehakase-webkit cannot be installed
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15:48<renginez02>bardamu: i tried translate for u but, me myself wouldnt understand the translated phrases...
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15:49<renginez02>fxiny: U RULE!
15:49<fxiny>it ends with E: Paquets défectueux which means "packages broken"
15:49<bardamu>the problem is resolved
15:49<bardamu>thanks everybody
15:49<fxiny>renginez02: nahhhhh
15:49<fxiny>!dpkg rulez
15:49<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
15:49<renginez02>bardamu: glad u done it...
15:49<bardamu>fxiny: yes you're right, it's "packages broken"
15:49<renginez02>fxiny: ;D
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15:50<renginez02>kee in touch man, im updating the packages...
15:50<renginez02>fxiny: it seems it couldnt update?
15:51<fxiny>bardamu: on etch i see loads of ruby dependencies , ruby was oh the news as borked
15:52<fxiny>renginez02: you mixed it up a bit , if you can't just install a fresh lenny
15:52<bardamu>First, i had kazehakase on etch, and after i decided to change for unstable for installing pidgin
15:53<renginez02>fxiny: nvm im updating tru the pop out, i think it does the same, well as i said if it corrupts the system, then i should invite lenny in....btw is this lenny iso cd1 : debian-LennyBeta2-powerpc-CD-1.iso ? from
15:53<bardamu>and after that install of pidgin, a lot of packages were removed
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15:53<bardamu>and after that install of pidgin, a lot of programs were removed*
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15:56<fxiny>pidgins are a suisance :P
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15:56<fxiny>bitbee is sweet as honey :P
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15:58<renginez02>whats pidgin n bitbee....:D like pidgin by the nam,e of it.
15:59<qq>renginez02, apt-cache show bitlbee
15:59<qq>renginez02, apt-cache show pidgin
16:00<qq>and so on
16:00<renginez02>ouuu..ic....btw guys, may i know whats the min requirement for lenny(beta2)? i mean the RAMS? VRAMS? procsessor speed? stuffs like that?
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16:02<qq>my 2c , 250 ram , 500 vram (swap) pII
16:03<qq>(on intel pc)
16:03<renginez02>how bout powerpc?
16:03<DavidRoderick>I am using debian gnome. My time clock runs an hour too fast. I change the time manually. When I boot next time it is one hour ahead again.
16:04<renginez02>qq: btw n the min requirement for video rams too or is it A.K.A vram? im not sure....
16:05<renginez02>my current spec is POWERPC ibook g3 600Mhz, 128mb rams, 8mb video ram 9ati radeon), cdrom my system compatible with lenny (just to make it easier)...
16:05<qq>4 MB is ok
16:05<qq>I use that
16:07<qq>should be ok . on that ibook
16:07<DavidRoderick>Does anybody know how to make a laptop adjust the brightness on gnome. Is there a gnome irc channel to go to?
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16:07<qq>I had video , on less of that
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16:08<alephnull>iceweasel3 now moves to the workspace (GNOME) where a link was clicked instead of staying in it's original workspace. How do I make it stop doing this ?
16:09<renginez02>qq: thanks man, u rule too :P
16:09<qq>on motorola apple
16:09<renginez02>i guess i need to go now...
16:09<renginez02>ill get lenny now
16:09<qq>and tomarow , what ?
16:10<renginez02>btw is this site : and the file : i suppose to download to get the full desktop version?
16:10<qq>potato, sarge again ?
16:10<qq>and so on,
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16:13<qq>lenny has more 22 cdroms , or so, maybe has "a full desktop " in ...
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16:15<saintk>Hi, I am lost in the jungle of 'too many choices'... I am looking for a simple mailsystem, which uses MySQL, and has easy-to administrate webpannels availible (for adding accounts and such). Mailserver will be for 100 clients max. Does anyone have any advice on this ?
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16:15<saintk>Because i find alot, Qmail, exim4, postfix, sendmail, etc.. But i have no idea what to choose
16:15<AzaTht>what can be used instead of
16:16<AzaTht>seems that one is down
16:16<E0x>saintk: try zimbra
16:16<qq>about lenny has 30 cdroms > debian-LennyBeta2-powerpc-CD-30.iso
16:16<saintk>E0x: Thats a new one to my list =) Will google on it, thanks!
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16:17<qq>renginez02, ^^^^^
16:17<renginez02>qq: so if i just need a basic desktop? can i just get CD1? like etch cd1?
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16:17<qq>try it
16:18<renginez02>just need a basic room with bed n cupboard, no need those spotlights, disco balls, laser beams n stuff...
16:18<qq>but> like etch cd1? is not lenny
16:18<renginez02>qq: so to install lenny, min how many cd's do i need to just get it work?
16:19<qq> min >>> debian-LennyBeta2-powerpc-businesscard.iso
16:19<DavidRoderick>One cd
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16:19<saintk>E0x: On the 'Zimbra' page it speaks of 'Debian 4' , this is Debian Etch, correct?
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16:19<DavidRoderick>sorry dvd
16:19<qq>renginez02, for the rest just use debian repos
16:19<renginez02>DavidRoderick: so i just need CD1 enuff?
16:19<E0x>saintk: yes
16:20<renginez02>e0X: THhanks.
16:20<renginez02>qq: ok
16:20<DavidRoderick>well I got etch dvd 3 gigs.
16:20<renginez02>well i can rest now...
16:20<renginez02>see u guys
16:20<renginez02>really need ta go.
16:20<qq>see u
16:20<saintk>cool, thanks
16:20<DavidRoderick>yes I suppose one cd will connect you to internet. install the rest later
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16:21<blueice>I'm trying to extract an iso from a larger iso using the archive manager in Lenny. I get the following message ......... isoinfo:Short read on old image ........ haven't been able to find much on it. Any thoughts?
16:21<qq>blueice, what was the commande ?
16:22<qq>which *
16:22<blueice>q, no command. Running it from the gui "Archive Manager"
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16:23<qq>you sure it is a iso ?
16:23<qq>an* iso
16:24<blueice>yes. I've extracted iso files from it is a bootable dvd image of Win2k3 with multiple iso images inside
16:24<qq>where comme from that so colled "iso"
16:25<blueice>I generated it about four months ago via Gnome and have used it many times since
16:25<qq>sorry , don't use any win shits
16:26<blueice>I have copied the iso a couple times. I guess it got corrupt
16:26<qq>try to mount via a virtual box
16:27<blueice>I'll try that. I have a VM on here
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16:27<qq>if it worked , can't be corrupt after
16:27<qq> corrupted*
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16:29<LikwidAtom>I've just installed debian 4 from a netinstall, and its failing to load xserver. I've tried changing which GPU I use, but its only detecting my GeForce 7600GS. Anyone know how to get it to work?
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16:31<qq>LikwidAtom, use 'nv" instead of "nvidia" driver
16:32<LikwidAtom>How do I do that?
16:32<qq>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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16:34<petterson>how to configure apache2 (debian version) to integrate with jboss?
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16:34<petterson>I also use java web start
16:34<qq>read some docs , maybe
16:34<petterson>My problem is that I'm getting a connection refused from the client and I am not being able to figure out where is the problem
16:35<petterson>qq; I have read a lot of docs and guides before asking here :)
16:35<qq>i'm glade
16:35<blueice>qq, Yea it's corrupt. Loaded the image to a VM and get "parameter incorrect" when trying to copy it. Thanx for you help
16:35<petterson>qq: It is working perfectly in my own machine, but when I go to another it works only for web applications ... not for the webstarts ones...
16:36<qq>blueice, maybe is you have a disc trouble,
16:36<qq>petterson, look to permission
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16:37<blueice>qq, no I'm not. every check comes back clean
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16:37<petterson>qq: I couldn find anything about permission AND mod_jk ... only for directories ... will look further
16:37<LikwidAtom>qq: Still the same error, one thing, does Debian like USB mice? Also, its saying that theres no IPv6 Routers present on eth0
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16:39<qq>LikwidAtom, yes for e USB mice, and IPv6 Routers present on eth0, nothing to do whit Xserver
16:40<qq>petterson, i means permissions for directories
16:41<petterson>qq: which directories?
16:41<qq>from apache configs
16:42<LikwidAtom>qq: Any ideas what can be causing this?
16:42<qq>LikwidAtom, causing what ?
16:43<LikwidAtom>xserver failing to start, after reconfiguring to use the nv instead of nvidia...
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16:44<qq>LikwidAtom, done "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg " ?
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16:44<petterson>qq: still don't know which directories permissions may give problems
16:45<qq>LikwidAtom, paste your xorg.conf (cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf) on
16:45<qq>petterson, me too
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16:46<LikwidAtom>Erm, Im kinda on a second machine, and because I cant get a GUI on my other box, I cant paste onto any site
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16:47<qq>LikwidAtom, done "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg " ?
16:48<LikwidAtom>Yes, done that using the nv drivers, like your said.
16:48<petterson>qq: lol
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16:48<petterson>qq: thanks a lot anyway :)
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16:50<qq>petemc, np*
16:50<qq>petterson, , np*
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16:52<qq>petterson, but make sure that your configS are ok
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16:53<qq>LikwidAtom, google " xorg.conf debian" there are many examples on net
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16:54<LikwidAtom>I've made a change to that conf, im now getting a black screen, as appose to an error message...
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16:56<qq>go on and try again
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16:57<LikwidAtom>How, I cant see any cursor, no visual output..
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16:59<qq>LikwidAtom, as said [22:53:53] google " xorg.conf debian" there are many examples on net
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16:59<LikwidAtom>yeah, i saw, but I dont have a display to reconfigure on..
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17:10<sidgyck>hi all, short question: how can I search for text in file? (from commandline).
17:10<dpkg>i guess grep is at (GNU grep, egrep and fgrep.) or called that because of ed's g/RE/p command, which does the same thing or "Marvel at the beautiful plumage of the wild grep as it glides lazily through the thick morning ASCII.". Global Regular Expression Print
17:11<stevecotton>that's poetic but not useful dpkg
17:11<qq>example : cat /etc/services | grep ssh
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17:44*ninjasenses test
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17:46<_ZeuZ_>Luckily! At last! now My soul will remain calm for a couple of hours.. got ttys background done...
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17:50<kop>themill_ : Re ifplugd. What I really want to do is alter firewall configurations (and probably routing tables) as routes go up and down, but I'll be doing something klugy, like ping, to tell whether routes exist rather than running a routing protocol. (I guess it's not the route I'm interested in as much as the device..., but I do want to check for internet access by pinging the ISP's gateway etc.)
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17:51<fnask>how do i install my ati x1950 in debian?
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17:53<_ZeuZ_>!ati > fnask
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17:57<themill>kop: that sounds bizarre. ifplugd is designed to detect the lower layer connectivity and react to that; I don't know that what you are describing would actually generate any detectable event on the box though -- you'll have to poll the route or something.
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18:03<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx> and <radeon>.
18:03<dpkg>[radeon] A brand of graphics processing units by ATI., For chipsets prior to R500 (ie. models up to and including the X1050), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (all models, usually better 3D performance/features). See also <radeonhd>.
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18:04<amphi>!tell fnask about selftell
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18:06<petterson>if I configured apache2 (in debian) with mod_jk to use jboss and in my machine it works ... what should I check to figure out why it doesn't work in the other machines in the same network?
18:07<petterson>I have configured to allow from all
18:07<petterson>and in the machines they work from the browser, but doesn't when I use java web start
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18:18<VTommy>hi guys
18:18<VTommy>i'm looking for help with php5 to send email with mail() on debian, emails are not sending
18:18<VTommy>what should i use ?
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18:19<VTommy>php.ini is setup properly with smtp info
18:20<_ZeuZ_>Where on kernel configuration through the ncurses frontend is BigMem support?
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18:25<themill>VTommy: php doesn't use smtp on linux systems. It uses the local mta through /usr/bin/sendmail. See That means you need a working local mta.
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18:40<VTommy>themill: how would i make it send my emails? i have check website but not to clear
18:41<VTommy>sendmail is not installed i ahve postfix installed? is that ok?
18:42<themill>yes, postfix works just fine with it.
18:42<themill>is postfix configured to be able to accept mail and send it to the correct recipients?
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18:44<VTommy>i'm not sure i have run configure-debian and use the tools there but i'm not sure if it's ok
18:44<VTommy>all i need it for is to send email from the website and only from localhost
18:44<VTommy>that's what i did but still not receiving my emails :-(
18:45<VTommy>also it needs to relay true a smarthost
18:45<VTommy>and i have done that also
18:45<VTommy>i'm kind of lost up to this point hehe
18:45<VTommy>any help is appreciated :-)
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18:46<themill>VTommy: debugging php's mail functions is a pain. Can you send mail from the command line using Mail or by talking directly to sendmail?
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18:46<VTommy>let me try that
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18:47<VTommy>hmmm mail is not there
18:47<VTommy>can't use mail?
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18:47<VTommy>best example i would have it i use phpbb alot and there is an option in there to setup the smtp server and username/password stuff
18:48<VTommy>how do they go about doing that lol
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18:48<themill>VTommy: they don't use the php mail function. There are external classes you can plug into php to make it a little more friendly
18:48<VTommy>any idea where my mail command go?
18:49<VTommy>it's not installed or working anymore
18:50<VTommy>is there any other application then postfix that would work better? or easier to set?
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18:51<themill>VTommy: how about running: echo -e "To:\n\ntest\n" | sendmail -t
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18:52<condector>I need some help...
18:52<condector>I need to change a name of one package
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18:52<condector>but I don't know where to change....
18:53<VTommy>got no errors
18:53<themill>VTommy: well, the email was just accepted. Now you need to work out where it went. Look in your mail logs.
18:53<guilhermp>is this normal that my computer is getting slow when it is not used for 1 whole day?
18:53<guilhermp>just transmission running
18:53<VTommy>themill: where about should i check for those logs?
18:54<themill>VTommy: /var/log
18:54<guilhermp>I come here some times and I notice that this is very slow comparing to the speed after booting
18:54<qq>what transmission is running ?
18:54<guilhermp>how can I check what's making this slow?
18:55<guilhermp>transmission for torrents download
18:55<amphi>guilhermp: is it swapping much?
18:55<guilhermp> 23:55:58 up 2 days, 17:51, 2 users, load average: 11.61, 5.91, 2.90
18:56<guilhermp>Swap: 1372 321 1051
18:56<guilhermp>total used free
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18:56<amphi>groovy load avg ;)
18:57<songoku>hola buenas tardes
18:57<amphi>look at top and see what's eating your cpu
18:57<guilhermp>how can this be if I am only running transmission and am never at the computer
18:58<songoku>alguien que hable español??
18:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:58<songoku>gracias dpkg
18:59<guilhermp>soy portugues pero hablo un poco
18:59<songoku>hola guilhermp soy de campeche mexico y tu?
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18:59<guilhermp>w is this??
19:00<guilhermp>31% gconftool-2
19:00<guilhermp>but it is unstable
19:01<guilhermp>values are always changing
19:02<amphi>with that load avg, many programs should be competing for cpu time
19:02<guilhermp>yeah they seem to be
19:03<guilhermp>but why is this happening?
19:03<amphi>how should I know what you have running there?
19:04<guilhermp>default debian lenny plus transmission
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19:05<_ZeuZ_>songoku, tenes que ir a #ubuntu-es
19:06<guilhermp>which means gnome things plus transmission
19:06<chealer_>guilhermp: does that situation persist after rebooting?
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19:07<guilhermp>I don't think so because this only happens when it is on for long time
19:07<guilhermp>even if I am not using it
19:08<guilhermp>now I think it stabilised
19:09<guilhermp> 00:09:27 up 2 days, 18:05, 3 users, load average: 0.33, 2.68, 3.12
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19:11<guilhermp>now on top the apps don't seem to be competing for cpu time
19:11<guilhermp>just transmission at 3%
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19:12<guilhermp>can this be because the computer is not being used?
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19:14<amphi>3%? what cpu is this?
19:15<guilhermp>amd athlon 64 x2 3800plus
19:15<VTommy>themill: thanks for info mate got it working :-)
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19:15<themill>VTommy: good stuff. well done
19:15<guilhermp>model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+
19:16<guilhermp>and the lemnny version I am using is also amd64
19:16<amphi>guilhermp: that seems very high
19:16<amphi>transmission is a bittorrent client?
19:18<guilhermp>it is downloading 4 600mb~ files
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19:20<amphi>3% seems high; rtorrent here is quite busy, and uses between 0 and .3% on a 1.8GHz C2D
19:21<guilhermp>and totem?
19:24<amphi>I don't use it
19:25<guilhermp>I willl try rebooting
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19:29<guilhermp>now it's quite fast
19:29<guilhermp>I open a film in less than 1 second
19:30<guilhermp>what's the normal for load average?
19:31<themill>guilhermp: 0 if nothing's happening on the box. And up to the number of cpus you have if you're starting to work it hard.
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19:36<lupine_85>what sort of cool git GUIs are there?
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20:11<lupine_85>How do I convince any Debian media player *at all* to play a wmv9/wma9 video file?
20:11<lupine_85>I can get the video playing in mplayer or xine-based players, but not the wma9 sound
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20:31<chealer>lupine_85: WMA Standard v2 (0x161)?
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21:22<juro>I have a problem
21:22<juro>how can i reboot from an initramfs shell?
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21:23<juro>reboot does nothing:(
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21:23<dondelelcaro>juro: if you exit without mounting a root filesystem, it'll reboot.
21:24<juro>it outputs Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init
21:24<juro> dondelelcaro: so as I understand it, I have already mounted it...
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21:35<juro>dondelelcaro: Do you know, what can I do now?
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21:39<jscinoz>Not sure if this is the correct place to ask, but i'll ask here anyways
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21:40<jscinoz>My school is setting up a new server for us to use, its not a dedicated rack server, rather a desktop box with a server motherboard, and they plan on having both Debian and windows server running on it for the students to use
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21:41<SaratogaCx>dual boot or in VM's?
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21:41<jscinoz>We wish to use some kind of hypervisor to allow both OS to be run concurrently, i'm just wondering how exactly does Xen work, like is the dom0 guest OS still used fully? or wouldi require, the xen kernel + dom0 (debian with the custom xen kernel) then in domU normal debian + win server?
21:41<SaratogaCx>okay, what's the question?
21:41<jscinoz>or can dom0 still be fully used as one of the guest OS
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21:43<juro>SaratogaCx: I think that you can use also dom0, but it is not preferred
21:45<jscinoz>I'd prefer if Xen was used, but my school wants to use vmware esx, with xen can it be set up in a similar way (like very small hypervisor setup (<100mb) and then the guest OSs?
21:46<SaratogaCx>to be honest, this isn't my area of specialty. It may be a better choice to buy two cheap 1U rackmounts.
21:48<jscinoz>I would have thought so but i have no say in the hardware, only the software :(
21:50<SaratogaCx>sounds like you don't have much of a say in the sw eithor..
21:51<juro>jscinoz: I use VMWare Server, which is free. I do not have good experience with Xen, it is too complicated and you have to study it hard to get reasonable knowledge...
21:52<dondelelcaro>jscinoz: yes, it can be set up that way.
21:52<jscinoz>SaratogaCx, they say they will use Xen if i can prove it can be configured to their liking
21:52<jscinoz>dondelelcaro, would there be a page somewhere with a general overview of something of how this can be accomplished?
21:52<jscinoz>juro, I've got 3 weeks free, plenty of time to figure it out :)
21:52<dondelelcaro>jscinoz: FE.
21:53<jscinoz>thanks dondelelcaro
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22:03<zachary>I've installed xorg, and am trying to configure it with xorgconfig, or xorgsetup, and these commands do not exist. What package must I install to use them?
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22:08<SaratogaCx>just edit the xorg.conf file.. it should be easier
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22:09<SaratogaCx>those scripts are kind of old from what I remember.
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22:16<Guest2345>olá *
22:16<Guest2345>tem algum brasileiro ai ?
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22:18<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
22:19<RIVE>Hi SaratogaCx.
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22:37<thecreator>I've got a question. I'm working with wireless, and it's open wep. I put in my essid and key, but shclient still returns "DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval 3"
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22:39<SaratogaCx>does iwconfig tell you that you are connected?
22:40<thecreator>wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"bla" Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated RTS thr:off Fragment thr=2346 B Encryption key:5773-9254-89
22:42<thecreator>do I need some sort of access point? I've read the docs as far as I can go. when I use ifup wlan0 I get the error.
22:43<SaratogaCx>so you used iwconfig wlan0 essid bla key 5773925489 ap auto
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22:44<thecreator>ok. that seems to work. says it's already configured. I'm not seeing an IPV4 address for wlan0 with ifconfig wlan0 currently
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22:46<jscinoz>Anyone else run in to problems trying to install etch in VirtualBox?
22:46<jscinoz>hangs at 50% partitioning
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22:48<thecreator>is there any reason why it wouldn't be handing out an ip address?
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22:50<SaratogaCx>what output do you get from ifconfig wlan0 up
22:51<SaratogaCx>followed by dhclient
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22:52<thecreator>it says it was bound to, but that's my current eithernet addr
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22:53<SaratogaCx>try dhclient wlan0
22:54<thecreator>that's what I used when it said it was bound to
22:54<SaratogaCx>wait... what does ifconfig give you?
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22:56<thecreator>partially it works, ifconfig wlan0 still didnt' show an ipv4 though
22:56<thecreator>when I run dhclient wlan0 after ifconfig wlan0 up I get:
22:57<thecreator>DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval 15
22:58<SaratogaCx>is your router setup to give out enough IP's?
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22:58<SaratogaCx>are you on that machine now?
22:58<thecreator>ur, yes
22:59<SaratogaCx>normally when I setup wireless on my laptop I end up taking out the wired connection so that the only thing it can use is wifi. it's strange that you're not getting a new IP for the same machine though.
23:00<thecreator>well, I'm setting it up through ssh. I'm in the other room. I'm using a reader, and dont' have external synth for linux.
23:00<thecreator>so ssh is the only option
23:00<zarchne>Isn't there a debian package in etch that provides the "svn" command? I'm having a devil 'cause it doesn't seem to be in etch.
23:01<gsimmons>!tell zarchne -about search
23:01<SaratogaCx>eh? so you're remoted into the computer you're configuring for wireless?
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23:02<zarchne>thanks, gsimmons, though I know about that...
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23:03<thecreator>I'm seeing this in iwconfig wlan0: Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Invalid
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23:04<SaratogaCx>it looks like you don't have iwconfig setup correctly
23:04<thecreator>apparently it doesn't like auto
23:04<thecreator>I used auto for ap
23:04<thecreator>like I was told to
23:04<SaratogaCx>try giving it the mac to your AP
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23:05<thecreator>hmm. I need to figure that out. is there a way to see that, I know what my gw is.
23:05<thecreator>not sure if I can get that from linux
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23:05<zarchne>I'm still flummoxed that there's no svn in Debian...
23:06<SaratogaCx>ah.. you can usually login via a web page and find the info there.
23:06<SaratogaCx>if you're stuck in console land you can use lynx or elinks
23:06<thecreator>nod. I'll look. don't remember seeing it
23:06<Aleric>I used to have skype on my linux box, but I can't remember the name :/
23:08<SaratogaCx>oh my router (a netgear) it is listed as the Lan port mac Address.
23:08<thecreator>nods. I'm looking. quest does a nice job about picking a router that sucks
23:09<zarchne>gsimmons: Any other bright ideas? Is "svn" proprietary?
23:09<thecreator>nah. 2wire or something like that.
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23:09<SaratogaCx>oh.. I have a qwest DSL modem/router that is an actiontec... it's not bad but requies you to restart to complete a lot of adjustments
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23:10<gsimmons>zarchne: You'd want to read through all of the search factoid. Use or apt-file to locate your file of interest.
23:10<thecreator>that's kinda how this one was... I'm not seeing mac in any of the relevant areas. is there a way to scan it from linux?
23:11<SaratogaCx>try arp <gatewayAddress>
23:12<_ZeuZ_>thecreator, yes, nmap ?
23:13<zarchne>gsimmons: I used, didn't find it. I searched with aptitude search "~nsvn~Ginterface::commandline"... oh, maybe it's called subversion, duh...
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23:13<_ZeuZ_>zarchne, yes, it IS called subversion
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23:15<zarchne>Basically, it never occurred to me to search for "subversion", and my standard searching methods failed. It's only because I suddenly realized it might not be called "svn"...
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23:16<_ZeuZ_>svn is the name of the link in /usr/bin /sbin /usr/sbin etc etc depending on your distro...
23:16<_ZeuZ_>subversion is the name of the package
23:16<zarchne>(And thus I successfully avoid using apt-file once again.)
23:16<zarchne>_ZeuZ_: Yeah, I get that *now*.
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23:17<thecreator>I still get DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval 3 after I set my ap to the mac address of the router
23:17*zarchne teaches himself to use apt-file anyway, to avoid this in the future.
23:18<_ZeuZ_>thecreator, what was your problem? Letme see if I can help
23:19<SaratogaCx>take it Zeuz. I've out of ideas.
23:19<_ZeuZ_>SaratogaCx, Will try :)
23:19<_ZeuZ_>Mind you explaining me the problem?
23:20<thecreator>when I try to use dhclient wlan0 to get my wireless card up, i get DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval 3 .
23:20<thecreator>and it keeps going
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23:20*zarchne is still waiting for "apt-file update"... is it actually working? It surely doesn't read from stdin...
23:20<thecreator>iwconfig wlan0 has my essid and key set, and my ap is set to the mac address of the router, after iwconfig wlan0 ap auto was invalid
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23:21<_ZeuZ_>"my AP is set to the mac address of the router" >>> Are you using a MadWifi driver and creating a VAP?
23:21<_ZeuZ_>if not, let the AP MAC be whatever you want, if not, same mac with different IP will cause broadcast errors.
23:21<thecreator>it's set to the mac address of the gateway. which is what I was told to do. I'm using the rt drivers.
23:22<_ZeuZ_>so it's a realtek based card ?
23:22<_ZeuZ_>or ralink one?
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23:22<thecreator>rt I think. le'm get the lspci output
23:22<thecreator>ralink. 00:0e.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
23:22<_ZeuZ_>it should be ralink, well, let me explain it this way:
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23:23<_ZeuZ_>change settings on your AP back to default, we'll deal from your PC facing it... Asumming your AP is set to AP-Infraestructure
23:23<thecreator>I was told to set it to the mac address of the router. what should it be?
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23:25<thecreator>sorry--I kinda know what I'm doing, butt I've gotten help from a couple diff places, and they've all told me different things. I'm trying to clarify how I'm supposed to be doing things. one person's idea is different, none have worked thus far, apparentluy
23:25<_ZeuZ_>Set the APs MAC address to the default one it came with, set your AP as Ap-Infraestructure, connect your router to the WAN slot in the AP, then you can work from your PC
23:25<_ZeuZ_>Well then, let's face the first problem: is the AP correctly configured?
23:26<thecreator>Interface wlan0 doesn't support IP addresses wlan0 Interface doesn't support IP addresses Error for wireless request "Set AP Address" (8B14) : invalid argument "Ap-Infraestructure".
23:27<_ZeuZ_>dude, you're truly out of ideas of how to do this, right ? :D
23:27<thecreator>yeah. I've been fighting with it all day. reading manuals, asked on a couple forums. the feedback hasn't went well
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23:27<_ZeuZ_>to set your IP address first you have to be engaged with your AP, for this you do the following (modifying to met the data hereby)
23:27<_ZeuZ_>sudo -s (logs you as root through sudo)
23:28<thecreator>I know how to do sudo. :)
23:28<Aleric>Is there an open source project for linux like skype?
23:28<_ZeuZ_>iwconfig wlan0 channel (HERE GOES THE CHANNEL NUMBER ON WICH YOUR AP TRANSMITS) essid YOUR_NETWORKS_NAME mode managed
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23:28<_ZeuZ_>after you did that, you can use dhclient assuming your AP has DHCP enabled
23:28<thecreator>nods. I've got my essid and key and channel set
23:29<_ZeuZ_>Set it AGAIN. because what you showmed me later makes me be not-confy with that xD
23:29<_ZeuZ_>(PD: I forgot to add the KEY parameter, well, add it yourself)
23:30<_ZeuZ_>Or, better off, if you want a nice tool to deal with all your networking problems, install wicd (add the repositorie, and you'll have a solution on one hand)
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23:31<thecreator>wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801
23:31<thecreator>then I get the DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval 8
23:31<_ZeuZ_>Let it RUN, do not CUT IT WITH CTRL+C or whatever.
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23:32<_ZeuZ_>also: go for something like this: dhclient wlan0
23:32<thecreator>that was with my ifup. it stopped at DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval 14 and returned the propmt. I'm using dhclient now, though it looks like it's doing the same thing
23:33<_ZeuZ_>btw: paste me the output of iwconfig wlan0 in and share the URL with me so I can diagnose the problem
23:33<thecreator>No DHCPOFFERS received.
23:33<thecreator>No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
23:33<thecreator>I'll do the pastebin thing
23:33<_ZeuZ_>Ok, and then check in your AP if it has DHCP enabled.
23:38<_ZeuZ_>Access Point: Not-Associated >>>>>>>> That tells you that you haven't done what you did you done, rightly. You're not associated to your AP, thus, you're not connected to it.
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23:39<thecreator>in the man page, it tells me to use any, which gives me an error, and I was told to use the mac address of the gateway, which gives me again, another error. well, it assigns it, but doesn't do much with it
23:39<thecreator>ap-infrastructure doesn't work, either
23:40<_ZeuZ_>ap-infraestructure HAS TO BE SET **************************IN THE AP**************************
23:40*_ZeuZ_ Regards telling this, but thecreator has No idea of networking :)
23:40<thecreator>nah. my networking is really rusty.
23:41<thecreator>Error : unrecognised wireless request "ap-infraestructure"
23:41<_ZeuZ_>thecreator, well, tell me your network's name, and channel
23:41<thecreator>the thompson domain is the network I'm connecting to, and it's on chan 11
23:41<_ZeuZ_>you dumbo, you've got a CARD not an AP, the fucking AP is the Access Point where you CONNET TO.
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23:41<_ZeuZ_>iwconfig wlan0 mode managed essid "the thompson domain" channel 11 key YOUR_KEY_HERE
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23:42*zarchne successfully completes "apt-file search 'bin/svn' | grep 'svn$'"
23:43<thecreator>Error for wireless request "Set Frequency" (8B04) :
23:43<thecreator> SET failed on device wlan0 ; Input/output error.
23:43<_ZeuZ_>Encryption key:5773-9254-89 >>>>>>> That's not a VALID KEY EITHER.
23:43<_ZeuZ_>and to cleanse that last error, try downing/uping your interface (ifconfig wlan0 down && ifconfig wlan0 up)
23:44<thecreator>I did ifdown wlan0 while I was configuring. I'll try again
23:44<_ZeuZ_>thecreator, I did not say ifdown, I said ifconfig wlan0 down
23:45<_ZeuZ_>if you check the ifdown script, you'll see that it's not the same
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23:46<thecreator>it just hangs.
23:47<_ZeuZ_>What "hangs"? That's windowish, give more data.
23:47<thecreator>the ifconfig wlan0 up. just sits there and shows like ^[[b for up arrow, etc
23:48<_ZeuZ_>IF what you're saying it's true, you have problems with your cards driver. Have you installed the firmware for it?
23:48<_ZeuZ_>It does not look like it.
23:48<_ZeuZ_>Pastebin the output of dpkg -l rt
23:49<thecreator>I was told to get the file from their site and unzip it to /lib/firmward
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23:49<thecreator>ur, firmware
23:49<thecreator>which I did
23:49<_ZeuZ_>My firmware? :D
23:49<_ZeuZ_>Now, go google.
23:49<asadiq>Does anyone know if the Testking RHCE simulator is any good?
23:49<_ZeuZ_>Firmware is the BINARY part of a driver to name it an easy way.
23:50<thecreator>I know what firmware is.
23:50<_ZeuZ_>thecreator, Yeah right, then "MY FIRMWARE?" :D
23:50<_ZeuZ_>thecreator, go for wicd, seems like you + ttys/konsole/xterm is not a good combination
23:51<thecreator>I didn't say anything about "my firmware." and tty is my only option.
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23:52<_ZeuZ_>thecreator, exactly, you said MY FIRMWARE and I do not work for Ralink neither have relation with that.
23:52<_ZeuZ_>Mirc ? you're on Windows?
23:53<thecreator>uh? yeah? like I said before. linux's reader support is flakey. I'm blind, and using a screen reader. I access linux via ssh
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23:53<thecreator>the only way it's usable for me currently
23:53<_ZeuZ_>yeah, and you type so fast, your host does not note that ports open either...
23:54<_ZeuZ_>Install XFCE and use wicd, ease your life.
23:54<thecreator>your gui idea won't work. only readers out there are for gnome, and orica. which is really laggy
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23:54<thecreator>which is why I use shell.
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23:55<_ZeuZ_>Wich is WHY you have to go learn how wireless networks work, and how to use man iwconfig then you can come here to ask if the problem is something out of there.
23:55<_ZeuZ_>You've shown no ability at all to solve any of those kinds of troubles, nor the capacity to use cli
23:56<thecreator>yousure are doing a lot of assuming. I *****have***** read man iwconfig. I spent 4 hours today googling and reading docs and asking questions about how to do this. I'm still at square 0. wel, not really, I've moved a bit but it's not helping much
23:56<_ZeuZ_>Yeah right, go fish. You cant try to specify parameters from the AP through ttys. GOOGLE is FOR LEARNING and you DID FROM THIS NONE.
23:57<_ZeuZ_>Me will not answer you.
23:57<thecreator>fuck off. all you've been is sarcasm, yeah right, bla bla. you've got some major eagotistical issues. burn in hell or something.
23:58<_ZeuZ_>Suicide, you blindo.
23:58<thecreator>thanks for those who did help. I'm going to see what else I can find
23:58<_ZeuZ_>Hm, now that I remember, offending morons is not something is allowed here.
23:58<_ZeuZ_>so /ignore thecreator
23:58<thecreator>oops. didn't mean to break the rule and offend ya.
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