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00:02<_ZeuZ_>Somebody explain him that /ignore ignores queries and messanges alike.
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00:08<angasule>the both of you should look at each other's nicknames, really, kettle, meet pot
00:08<piju>i got problem, when i press ctrl alt f1 it didnt show any login
00:08<piju>i just update my debian
00:08<piju>2.6.24-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat May 10 09:28:10 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
00:08<piju>before this im using unupdate lenny with kernel 2.6.22-3
00:09<SaratogaCx>p~ can you move to any other consoles like ctrl+alt+f7 ?
00:09<piju>i have resolve my wifi problem , ipw3945
00:09<piju>SaratogaCx; yes,
00:10<gsimmons>piju: ipw3945 has been removed from lenny/testing. You'll need to upgrade to iwlwifi.
00:10<gsimmons>!tell piju -about iwlwifi
00:10<_ZeuZ_>Just the firtst tty is broken?
00:10<piju>yes, im using iwl3945 now
00:10<piju>did i mention "i have resolv ?"
00:12<gsimmons>piju: I'm sorry, I thought this was your current issue.
00:12<piju>my issue is
00:12<piju>i got problem, when i press ctrl alt f1 it didnt show any login
00:12<piju>and when i login to X, it show some splash with green colored small boxs
00:13<piju>is it bugs or what ?
00:13<piju>im using intel video
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00:16<_ZeuZ_>piju, I've got a similar problwm with 2.6.24.X serie with a black screen at boot time unless I start the system in single user mode... I can use the system fine, but I wont see the post of the kernel boot
00:17<piju>ive see the kernel post, with error also
00:17<piju>it said something with alsa
00:17<piju>but my sound still working
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00:38<not4u>i had my two monitors working fine, each as a seperate screen. i rebooted and now the setting for my second monitor seem to be in effect on the first monitor. the wallpaper from monitor 2 is now on monitor 1... and i cant seem to change it. the second monitor isn't showing any display at all right now. my xorg.config file is also reporting that monitor 2 as monitor one and vice versa...
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00:38<not4u>that about covers it
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00:41<zarchne>"xorg.config" isn't a report, not4u... can you just correct it?
00:42<zarchne>I mean, xorg.conf isn't, if that's what you mean.
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00:43<not4u>yeah
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00:44<not4u>brb. gotta restart x
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00:58<not4u>ok. that didn't work
00:59<not4u>xorg is still only using one monitor
00:59<kingsley>not4u: Have you looked for clues in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
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01:01<not4u>yeah. i'm not really sure what i'm looking at. there are no errors that i can see
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01:03<kingsley>not4u: If I recall correctly, lines that begin with (WW) are warnings, and with (EE) are errors.
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01:06<not4u>there are 4 lines containing messages of this nature
01:06<not4u>(WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc" does not exist.
01:06<not4u> Entry deleted from font path.
01:06<not4u>that's it
01:08<ameyer>that shouldn't be a big deal
01:08*ameyer is too lazy to scroll up to read the problem
01:08<ameyer>ahh, dual monitor issues
01:09<ameyer>I wouldn't think that'd cause your problem
01:09<not4u>it's wierd. i had it working fine as soon as i configured it. it took about 2 minutes and i had both monitors working as separate screens.
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01:10<not4u>now monitor monitor 1 is being identifies as monitor 2 and monitor 2 isn't even showing any display at all
01:11<kingsley>hmm...
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01:16*kingsley tries to remember the name of the command that reports info on X displays...
01:16<NCommander_>what kind of info?
01:16<not4u>now monitor 1 is back to being identified as 1
01:17<kingsley>NCommander: display resolution and colors, among others.
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01:17<gsimmons>kingsley: xdpyinfo
01:18<kingsley>not4u: What gsimmons said.
01:19<kingsley>not4u: I suggest comparing the output of xdpyinfo when X is owrking, and when it isn't. You can pipe its output to files, then "diff" the files.
01:19<kingsley>s/owrking/working/
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01:20<ameyer>ahh, it's nice to see kde4 finally coming around to usability
01:21<kingsley>ameyer: What do you like about 4?
01:25<kingsley>iceweasel has over 150 bug reports!
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01:27<ameyer>kingsley: to be honest, I'm not exactly sure
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01:27<ameyer>although, it is a bit of a hog
01:28<ameyer>and runs horribly on my desktoop
01:29<ameyer>either 512 MB of RAM isn't enough or it leverages OpenGL too much for its own good
01:29<ameyer>yay ancient Intel graphics
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01:32<ameyer>then again, just about everything runs horribly on my desktop
01:33<ameyer>but is mysteriously faster when displayed using ssh X tunneling on my almost 8 year old laptop
01:33<zarchne>640M should be enough for any desktop.
01:33<ameyer>with old ATI graphics, even
01:33*zarchne was joking, BTW.
01:34<ameyer>although, from the old specs-with-NDA days
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01:35<zarchne>-/+ buffers/cache: 1132296 (but this is with two simultaneous desktop users using the same computer.)
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01:36<ameyer>jeez, ~1.1 GB of RAM used
01:36<zarchne>Not counting buffers/cached, right.
01:36<ameyer>what DE(s)?
01:37<zarchne>gnome, gnome, gnome, gnome, and gnome.
01:37<zarchne>(I think that covers it.)
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01:38<zarchne>Sometimes I bring up a vserver that has Lenny's xfce but it's not running right now.
01:38<not4u>what is absolute positioning?
01:38<simonrvn>not4u: context?
01:38<zarchne>Isn't that like, on the backs of magazines?
01:38<not4u>i just want the extra space of the second monitor screen
01:38<not4u>not sure exactly what options to use
01:39<zarchne>Usually slick ones... used to be in Playboy all the time...
01:39<simonrvn>there's some stuff you can look at in the xorg.conf manual, near the bottom IIRC
01:39<ameyer>I thought my 370 MB of RAM usage was bad...
01:40<zarchne>"Absolut ... finesse", with the bottle in the middle of bridge game, that kind of thing.
01:41<philsf>what's the default pin-priority? 100?
01:41<zarchne>ameyer: "28885 michael 15 0 213m 117m 27m R 0.0 6.2 7:47.41 galeon"
01:42-!-mode/#debian [+l 346] by debhelper
01:42<zarchne>ameyer: " 2013 ellen 15 0 233m 133m 26m R 8.6 7.0 16:14.08 galeon" at the same time.
01:42<simonrvn>philsf: depends. if you do say, add backports to etch, it'll default to 100
01:42<simonrvn>philsf: already installed stuff is 500. upping the pin prio above 1000 will favour that
01:43<simonrvn>it's a bit complex, but certainly doable
01:43<simonrvn>!pinning
01:43<dpkg>If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning.
01:44<zarchne>100MB here, 100MB there, pretty soon it's time to buy some real RAM.
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01:44<philsf>simonrvn: I want to add proposed-updates, and not update from it by default. what should be a good priority? backports suggest 200 to use it by default, so it must be lower than this (right?)
01:44<simonrvn>philsf: leaving it as is would be ok
01:45<simonrvn>i.e., no special pin prio
01:45<philsf>simonrvn: it is not. aptitude is offering it's updates
01:45<simonrvn>ok, so force it down then
01:45<simonrvn>say, 100 or 50
01:45<philsf>simonrvn: which brings to my original question :) how much is enough?
01:46<philsf>ok, I'll try hose
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01:48<philsf>ok, for the record, apt_preferences(5) has it all, I missed it
01:48<simonrvn>yes ;)
01:49<_ZeuZ_>guys, what group (appart from sudoers and root) do a user need to be in in order to be able to use aptitude/apt ?
01:49<philsf>simonrvn: (on my defense, I checked man apt.conf, apt-config, apt, wiki.d.o and google ;)
01:49<philsf>none of those suggested apt_preferences
01:49<philsf>oh well
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01:51<zarchne>_ZeuZ_: just for info, or you must mean to install something?
01:51<not4u>best media player? (video)
01:52<zarchne>may depend on the file type.
01:52<_ZeuZ_>zarchne, info
01:52<not4u>mpeg and wmv
01:52<_ZeuZ_>I know if I want to install something my uid must be equiv to root
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01:54<zarchne>_ZeuZ_: I'm not aware of any... I've got a user here who belongs only to audio and video and a couple of custom groups and aptitude comes up just fine.
01:54<_ZeuZ_>zarchne, without sudo ?
01:54<zarchne>_ZeuZ_: yup.
01:54<_ZeuZ_>zarchne, it's meant to not allow users to install anything unless their uid is the same as roots
01:55<debed>Hi, I am having a dual boot system with Debian and Windows XP. recently I found Windows Xp is corrupted and I installed a fresh copy of it. But the thing is I am unable to boot my Debian as the GRUB is missing. Now please hel me out how to get back my GRUB menu at the start
01:55<_ZeuZ_>debed, get a live-cd and reinstall grub
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01:56<zarchne>_ZeuZ_: ... I'm not following you.
01:56<debed>_ZeuZ_, that sounds good but is there any other solution to solve it right now
01:56<simonrvn>philsf: the bot did =)
01:57<_ZeuZ_>zarchne, my premise is to allow an user that CAN NOT USE SUDO (too stupid to use it) nor GKSU nor KDESUDO nor nothing like that, he barely knows how to dea with gdebi, doit without complications.. and NOPASSWD in sudo just don't feel quite like what I need
01:57<gsimmons>!tell debed -about fixmbr
01:57<_ZeuZ_>either way, no problem
01:57<zarchne>debed: you mean like loadlinux.exe used to do?
01:58<zarchne>_ZeuZ_: allow the naive user to do what, now?
01:58<debed>zarchne, I have no idea of that..presently I am having only a Debian Installer Cd...can I do nay thing to reinstall GRUB with it
01:59<_ZeuZ_>zarchne, allow the user to install packages without having to be explicilty root or using sudo, but it's an aweful security risk anyways so never mind xD
02:00<zarchne>debed: you should be able to boot into linux using the kernel and initramfs on the installer cd and the rootfs on your hard drive, I think.
02:00<debed>gsimmons, "Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have" I cant get into another console Alt +F2
02:02<zarchne>debed: how far into the boot process did you go?
02:03<debed>zarchne, with my installer Cd i have gone upto partitions menu
02:04<debed>zarchne, thats my main problem...I have to do some thing at the beginning but i have no idea what command to use
02:04<zarchne>debed: but Alt-F2 (and then Enter) doesn't get you another shell?
02:06<debed>zarchne, Alt F2doesnt work with mine
02:06<gsimmons>debed: You should have four virtual console available to you within the installer. You can alternatively start it in "rescue" mode to chroot into your Debian system.
02:06<gsimmons>s/console/consoles/
02:07<gsimmons>!tell debed -about rescue mode
02:08<zarchne>Apropos "absolut positioning" here's a pdf with some nice pictures and a mediocre analysis: http://www.discourse-analysis.de/media/pdfs/Begoll%202006%20Absolut.pdf
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02:09<rapid>Hello
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02:10<not4u>ok. i cant view that file. what pdf reader are you guys using? i think i have kpdf installed
02:11<not4u>and dvd+rw disks are showing up as blank dvd+rw's when i KNOW there is content on them
02:11<zarchne>not4u: mplayer works for most mpeg and wmv, not sure about matruska.
02:12<zarchne>not4u: Well, I used xpdf same as I have since the mid 90s... I think evince is the gnome viewer, and there's the acrobat non-free thing.
02:12<ameyer>not4u: okular works here, but you'd need to pull stuff from experimental
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02:26<not4u>ok. all my windows open docked to the top-right corner of my screen
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02:34<kangel>hi
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02:43<kangel>Who can configure the kde4 in etch?
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02:45<not4u>configure what?
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02:45<kangel>how can to install kde4
02:45<kangel>in my debian etch
02:46<not4u>!install kde
02:46<dpkg>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version>
02:46<craigevil>kde4 isnt even in unstable/sid its still in experimental
02:46<kangel>I know
02:46<philsf>can anyone see what am I doing wrong? I'm trying to pin etch-proposed-updates, and it isn't working: http://paste.debian.net/8375/
02:47<philsf>not even specifying a pin-priority for stable (which I didn't even think would be necessary) did it.
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02:50<kangel>I need to sleep is very nigth here
02:50<kangel>have nice day
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02:57<zakia>i have a EHCI Host Controller usbview shows Bandwidth allocated: 0 / 800 (0%) would that explain the slow speed of the usb disk ?
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03:16<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>Are there any programs that allow you to create models in Debian?
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03:28<godlie>hello and good morning having an strange issue with grub. when i go into grub shell and define root (hd0,0) and want to setup then i get an segmentation fault
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03:34<randy_>ok
03:36<godlie>one strange thing is im using ext3 as filesystem but grub says: Filesystem type is xfs, partition type 0x82
03:37<randy_>you got me on that! I have not a clue! This is all new
03:37<godlie>yesterday i submitted a bug report about that
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03:39<Ata>Hi all
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03:40<godlie>this is the bugreport: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=488124
03:40<philsf>I'm trying to pin etch-proposed-updates, and it isn't working. . It seems, whatever I set in preferences, is ignored by apt. In the following test, I've lowered the priority for stable, and it's ignored: http://paste.debian.net/8375/ can anyone see what am I doing wrong?
03:40<randy_>Ok Should say VERY new Not like a chat I ever had only had Dabain for couple mounts
03:40<Ata>Can anyone tell me where i can find the drivers of wireless network card
03:40<Ata>?
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03:40<godlie>Ata what wireless network card?
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03:41<Ata>I have a new laptop HP Pavilion dv6623cl Notebook
03:41<Ata>I've just installed debian 4.0 r3 etch
03:41<Ata>I m new user of linux
03:41<Ata>I have installed debian from CD1
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03:42<Ata>I don't know in which CD Drivers for Wireless Network Card may be found
03:42<gsimmons>Ata: We'll need to know what type of wireless type (specifically, the chipset) before we can direct you to install the relevant driver.
03:43<gsimmons>!tell Ata -about what's my wireless
03:43<gsimmons>s/wireless type/wireless card/
03:43<godlie>Ata you have an Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
03:44<Ata>Yes godlie
03:44<Ata>you are right
03:44<Ata>I just checked by lspci
03:44<Ata> (Rev 02)
03:45<godlie>as ive seen there is an ipw3945-modules package in apt
03:45<gsimmons>!tell Ata -about ipw3945
03:45<Ata>Hmmm
03:45<Ata>How can i use apt?
03:46<godlie>omfg
03:46<Ata>I am not on internet
03:46<Ata>omfg?
03:46<godlie>o my fucking god
03:46<godlie>your laptop has no connection to the net
03:47<godlie>am i right?
03:47<Ata>no
03:47<Ata>yes you are right
03:48<godlie>what about your netwark card?
03:48<godlie>did you tried to plug in an cable?
03:48<Ata>I have not check for that because i dont have line here
03:49<Ata>Just wireless connections
03:49<Ata>Don't have cable here
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03:49<Ata>Is there any details available about the CDs from CD 1 to CD 21?
03:49<Ata>Means which package is included in which cd?
03:50<philsf>Ata: do you have a pen drive available?
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03:50<Ata>yes
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03:51<Ata>I can move data with pen drive@philsf
03:52<philsf>Ata: then just download the package godlie mentioned in the machine you're on righr now, and install it in the laptop
03:52<Ata>From where this pakage can be downloaded?
03:52<Ata>I m sorry, newbie is here :)
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03:53<mobil-7k>mobil@mobil:~$ amarokapp| segmentation error -> ?
03:53<philsf>Ata: several places. if you're also on a debian, you can apt-get it (and it's dependencies)
03:53<Ata>No i m on Winxp
03:53<philsf>Ata: if you're in any kind of linux, you can use apt-zip to create a script to download all the dependencies
03:53<philsf>Ata: oh, sorry for that... :)
03:54<philsf>Ata: you can also browse to http://packages.debian.org, and get the packages one by one
03:54<Ata>ok lemme try
03:55<philsf>I don't know if the CDs contain the contrib and non-free parts, so at least some of these packages won't be in any CD
03:55<philsf>(someone should correct me if I'm wrong)
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03:56<Ata>Thanks Philsf and godlie...
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03:56<Ata>I'll come back again
03:57<Ata>BYE
03:58<undeadabortion>hello would this be the official debian channel or is that on freenode?
04:00<mobil-7k>can anybody help me? i'm on Lenny, since 1 unexpected reboot amarok doesn't boot
04:01<mobil-7k>when i start it from console, i see next segmentation error
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04:06<Nemoder>undeadabortion: this is the official channel now, although freenode is still quite active
04:07<undeadabortion>ty Nemoder
04:07<godlie>hm is there an possibility to install only grub2 from testing without all the other suggestions by apt?
04:07<godlie>my current system is etch and i only want to install grub2 from lenny cause my grub seems to be buggy
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04:12<Nemoder>godlie: I don't think you can use grub2 from lenny on etch, it requires a newer libc6
04:12<gsimmons>godlie: There's a backported package available for the AMD64 port of Etch ('grub-pc') from backports.org.
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04:22<godlie>gsimmons: hm i installed grub-pc but now i have no "grub" command to enter the shell
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04:24<gsimmons>godlie: I'm not using GRUB 2. You'd want to refer to its documentation.
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04:38<fnask>how do i install ati x1950 in debian?
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04:40<philsf>I'm trying to pin etch-proposed-updates, and it isn't working. . It seems, whatever I set in preferences, is ignored by apt. In the following test, I've lowered the priority for stable, and it's ignored: http://paste.debian.net/8375/ can anyone see what am I doing wrong?
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04:43<godlie>as ive seen right my grub doesnt recognise that im having a ext3 instead it assuems that im having a xfs filesystem
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04:50<fnask>!ati
04:50<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx> and <radeon>.
04:50<fnask>!fglrx
04:50<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary See also <radeon>.
04:51<fnask>!fglrx one-liner
04:51<dpkg>To install fglrx, first make sure you have contrib and non-free sources in your sources.list (ask me about <non-free sources>). Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
04:51<fnask>!non-free sources
04:51<dpkg>non-free sources is probably edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
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04:53<godlie>how to find out the real filesystem ?
04:53<godlie>cause fdisk -l only shows up with Linux
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04:57<fxiny>godlie: disktype
04:58<godlie>ok
04:59<godlie>so disktype tells me i have ext3 and grub tells me i have an ext2
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04:59<godlie>Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 <-- but it is ext3 am i running into troubles ?
05:00<the-me>no
05:00<suiside>ext3 is ext2 with journaling, they are compatible with each other
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05:01<godlie>k thx
05:01<fxiny>ext3 or ext2 id is 83 , 82 is swap
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05:02<godlie>hope it will come back from reboot :)
05:02<fxiny>godlie: do you have a boot partition ?
05:02<godlie>no
05:02<fxiny>right , i have a boot partiton and obviously is ext2
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05:03<fxiny>so i guess grub don't care about ext3 or ext2 , just a guess
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05:04<fxiny>maybe it reads id 83 and says is ext2 , which is correct
05:05<kemf4y4>hi
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05:54<Staale>When using putty to ssh to a debian box, why does hitting the home key output ~ - should I change terminal type in putty?
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06:59<beni>hi. how can i get a list of all installed packages with aptitude or apt-get? is there an easy command? i didn't find anything in the man pages
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07:01<hg87>hello
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07:03<hg87>how long does it take that a package from svn is added into unstable? the recent version of nvidia-grapics-drivers has a bug and can't be compiled, and just for my interest i checked out the svn url which is shown in apt-cache showsrc, and it seems that there is a newer version already in there.
07:06<gsimmons>beni: dpkg -l | grep ^i ; aptitude search ~i
07:06<hg87>oh, according to packages.debian.org this version is allready in sid, but it seems that it's not on my mirror right now.
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07:09<beni>gsimmons: thank you very much
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07:57<hg87>as i have problems with the recent versions of nvidia-graphics-drivers in sid, and my -rt kernel, i tried to add the unofficial packages from rdonald to my sources list. what do i have to do, that the drivers from this repository are preffered bevore those in sid?
07:58<hg87>apt-cache showsrc shows me all newer versions which are available through the unofficial repository, but apt-get source nvidia-graphics-drivers uses the version which is available in sid.
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07:59<valdyn>hg87: "apt-cache policy <packagename>" - priority determines what to download
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08:00<hg87>valdyn: yes, but just if binary packages are available. i have just added the source repositories to my sources.list, and so apt-cache policy is in that case not really usefull.
08:02<valdyn>hg87: it still determines what to grab, i.e. the source of nvidia-glx according to apt-cache policy nvidia-glx
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08:06<hg87>valdyn: i use lenny, and it doesn't show anything about source packages with apt-cache policy <packagename>. have look here: http://paste.debian.net/8391/
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08:06<Milos>hello, i have a question, i have installed dopewars game from a debian repos, and i did update-menus, but i can`t find it
08:06<Milos>where is it installed
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08:06<Milos>anyone?
08:07<hg87>valdyn: output is cut at the end in the nopaste url, because there are much more packages listed in the showsrc output
08:07<valdyn>hg87: your other versions too?
08:07<hg87>Milos: maybe in /usr/games, else use dpkg -L to find it.
08:07<hg87>valdyn: yes, all versions which are available as deb-src are listed in apt-cache showsrc
08:08<valdyn>hg87: apt-get source nvidia-graphics-drivers=<version>
08:08<hg87>valdyn: it's one package from sid, and some more packages through the unoffical repository
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08:08<hg87>valdyn: oh, that looks like what i'm searching for. thanks!
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08:09<Milos>hg87, should it be .bin file type?
08:09<hg87>Milos: what, the game? i don't think so
08:09<Milos>executable file
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08:09<hg87>Milos: i don't think that it has the .bin as file ending.
08:10<Milos>ok
08:10<Milos>tnx
08:10<hg87>Milos: dpkg -L yourgamename | grep bin
08:10<hg87>Milos: with that command you should find the executable.
08:10<Milos>i did
08:10<Milos>and nothing happens
08:11<Milos>;/
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08:12<Milos>hg87, http://pastebin.com/d5534aefc
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08:13<hg87>Milos: okay, it seems that my command is not suiteable for games
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08:13<hg87>Milos: the executable should be: /usr/games/dopewars
08:14<hg87>Milos: take care that your user is in the games group, then this directory should be in your PATH and the permissions should also be correct.
08:15<Milos>thank you very much
08:15<Milos>it`s in a /usr/games/ folder
08:15<Milos>i must say that debian community is best
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08:15<Milos>i have had centOS installed on my pc few weeks ago
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08:16<Milos>their community just sucks
08:16<Milos>they are unfriendly
08:16<Milos>fooling me arround
08:16<Milos>laughing @ my n00bish questions
08:16<Milos>...
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08:17<Milos>whenever i came here and asked a question, i got a answer as soon as it was possible
08:18<Milos>u make me to continue using linux
08:21<snogglethorpe>Milos: what's centos?
08:21<Milos>os
08:22<Milos>u haven`t heard for centOS?
08:22<hg87>snogglethorpe: that just another distribution, but i think nothing special.
08:23<snogglethorpe>Milos: i've vaguely heard the word, but no idea what's notable about it
08:23<hg87>snogglethorpe: seems to be red hat based.
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08:23<Milos>i have some vps servers running on centOS, and i must say that they`re stable
08:23<hg87>hmm.. those nvidia drivers make me cry...
08:24<Milos>but i was just talkin` about their community
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08:24<hg87>has anyone of you an idea how good the open ati drivers are at the moment?
08:24<hg87>and if they allready have 3d support?
08:25<hg87>i hate those closed fuckin stuff, which isn't working well... and the grapics device is the last one which should be changed...
08:26<snogglethorpe>hg87: dunno offhand, but there are a bunch of articles on the subject at http://www.phoronix.com
08:26<snogglethorpe>hg87: they seem to track the issue pretty closely
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08:28<hg87>snogglethorpe: thanks, i'll have a look on that.
08:29<hg87>nvidia drivers often don't work with the rt-kernel branch, and thats shitty.... :/
08:31<snogglethorpe>one thing that's sort of cool about www.phoronix.com is that they often include patches with their articles :-)
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08:34<hg87>i don't want much from a grapic card, but 3d support is also essential, as i often use ProEngineer under linux, and that sucks without 3d support. i don't want a gaming/multimedia card, but what i want is a fanless grapic card which has something of power like the gt7300 of nvidia.
08:35<snogglethorpe>hm i'd like that too but all i've got now is an old mach64 card :-)
08:36<hg87>so, i've to repair a printer, be back later! :)
08:36<Milos>;p
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08:39<Milos>i have one more question
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08:40<Milos>i have laptop msi vr601x
08:40<Milos>and audio output on it
08:40<Milos>when i had windows installed
08:40<Milos>when a put speakers cable in audio output
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08:40<Milos>speakers on my laptop stop playing
08:40<Milos>when i take it out
08:40<Milos>speakers on laptop continue playing
08:40<Milos>but on debian
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08:41<Milos>i put cable in a-out
08:41<avu>!enter
08:41<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
08:41<Milos>and i can hear sonds from both speakers
08:41<Milos>sry
08:41<avu>Milos, also, there might be a 'headphone detection' setting in alsamixer
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08:42<avu>at least that#s how it works for my soundcard. only if this setting is enabled will the internal speakers get turned off/on on insertion of external ones
08:43<madara>l
08:43<madara>i'll kill all of you guys
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08:44<gsimmons>Milos: You may need to supply the "model=targa-dig" option when loading the snd-hda-intel driver, depending on the version of ALSA you are using.
08:44<Milos>avu, how can i turn that setting off
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08:44<madara>damn dalnet is suck
08:44<Milos>gsimmons, i`m a complete noob for linux, so pls give details to me
08:44<avu>Milos, well open alsamixer and if it's there, turn it *on*
08:46<Milos>avu, i don`t see a option to turn it of
08:46<avu>Milos, on.
08:46<Milos>i opened alsamixer via console
08:46<Milos>typed alsamixer
08:46<avu>Milos, not off. it would already be off
08:46<madara>milos hajimemashite
08:46<Milos>but i don`t see a option
08:47<Milos>want me to show u what do i see?
08:47<avu>Milos, also, notice words like 'might' in what I said, and notice the alternative explanation of the problem given to you by gsimmons
08:47<avu>Milos, no
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08:47<Milos>i read what gsimmons wrote
08:47<Milos>but i already said that i don`t know how to do that
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08:49<gsimmons>Milos: echo "options snd-hda-intel model=targa-dig" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local
08:50<Milos>i did that in terminal and nopthig happens
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08:52<Milos>gsimmons, what should i do now?
08:53<gsimmons>Milos: Reload your sound modules, "invoke-rc.d alsa reload" should suffice.
08:54<Milos>invoke-rc.d: initscript alsa, action "reload" failed.
08:54<Milos>should i restart my computer?
08:54<beni>how can i set up remote-mysql-access? i have edited my.cnf (bind-address 0.0.0.0), and reloaded mysql. netstat sais now, that mysql listens to 0.0.0.0:3306. i set up a rule in iptables for tcp, from anywhere, to anywhere, with "state NEW tcp dpt:mysql" and ACCEPT. if i now connect with mysql to my server, i get no connection. but if i connect with 'telnet example.net 3306', i get a telnet-connection, but no output from mysql the
08:56<gsimmons>Milos: It would fail if processes are currently using your sound devices. If you're unable to end these yourself, a restart of your system can also accomplish this.
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08:56<gsimmons>s/devices/device/
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08:57<Sebby>i recently installed gcc on my colinux and when i try to complile a program says : checking if gcc compiler works NO and i get the error that gcc can`t create executables
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08:57<Sebby>i installed gcc whit the command: apt-get install gcc
08:57<Kjetil>install build-essentials
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08:58<Sebby>debian:/home/sebby/kit/tcl8.4.19/unix# install build-essentials
08:58<Sebby>install: missing destination file operand after `build-essentials'
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08:59<Kjetil>apt-get install ....
09:00<Sebby>?
09:00<Kjetil>(package is called build-essential btw)
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09:01<Sebby>i don`t know to much command lines on debian i used Mandriva 2008 whit GUI
09:02<Kjetil>if a package is called build-essential and you know about apt-get .. how would you install it ?
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09:03<Sebby>apt-get install gcc build-essential
09:03<fxiny>colinux or debian ?
09:03<Sebby>colinux and i have debian on it
09:03<Sebby>?
09:03<noflash>maybe #colinux would be helpful
09:03<Kjetil>remove gcc from the aptget line
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09:18<Milos>gsimmons, i have reloaded drivers
09:18<Milos>now what?
09:19<overlord>bom dia !!!
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09:20<gsimmons>Milos: Uh, output some sound and test your previous audio cable insertion.
09:21<Milos>both internal and external speakers are still playing sounds
09:22<Milos>any idea?
09:22<gsimmons>Milos: No idea. Try searching on the alsa-user mailing list for any reports of your issue.
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09:44<Sebby>i downloaded gmake and did ./configure , make , make install but when i do: gmake --version or gmake says that : debian:/home/sebby/kit/postgresql-8.3.3# gmake --version
09:44<Sebby>bash: gmake: command not found
09:44<Sebby>debian:/home/sebby/kit/postgresql-8.3.3#
09:44<Sebby>what i did wrong?
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09:45<ffws|hathe>Sebby: you forgot the path
09:45<Kjetil>If your running debian why don't use apt-get to install packages
09:45<Sebby>because didn`t found gmake
09:46<Kjetil>it's called make
09:46<Sebby>said that found only a reference or something
09:46<Sebby>gmake *
09:46<Kjetil>apt-get install make should install it
09:46<Sebby>that is asked for postgresql
09:46<Kjetil>and debian has postgresql packages as well
09:46<Sebby>yes
09:46<Sebby>but old
09:47<Sebby>7.xx
09:47<ravi>Hi, is the new xserver-xorg install/upgradeable on your machines in Sid?
09:47<Kjetil>upgrade to testing if you want never packages
09:47<Sebby>and i have 8.3.3
09:47<Sebby>?
09:47<Kjetil>nevermind
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09:48<Sebby>i tryed apt-get make but is allredy installed
09:48<Kjetil>and make --version probably says something like GNU Make which is gmake
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09:49<Sebby>GNU Make 3.81
09:49<Sebby>that i got
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09:50<Kjetil>and GNU Make = gmake
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10:07<pawel>hi
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10:08<Petterson>how do I run a script in a ssh (putty) session and keep this process running after I quit putty?
10:10<ffws|hathe>Petterson: screen, nohup &
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10:13<Petterson>nohup <myscript.sh>& ?
10:13<abrotman>that'll work
10:15<Petterson>thanks
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10:25<Petterson>I'm trying to setup apache2 (debian distro) and I'm having problems integrating it with jboss
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10:25<Petterson>I keep getting an error connection refused (IOE)
10:25<Petterson>and I'm not being able to figure out which configuration I'm missing ... anybody can help me?
10:26<abrotman>doesn't jboss have docs?
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10:26<Saskwach>Hi all, I'm having a problem with my nVidia drivers...It says I need SSE on my CPU to run it but mine (AMD Athlon T-Bird/k7) doesn't support it. Any ideas how I can fix this? Should I file a bug against the nvidia-glx package?
10:27<Petterson>the problem is that a follow every doc I found and still keeping the error :)
10:27<Petterson>a follow = I followd
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10:28<maxb_>Petterson: The best way to get help is give *plentiful* details
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10:28<maxb_>*Precisely* what you're trying to configure (integrate with apache2 *how*?)
10:28-!-sheldonh [~sheldonh@ray.starjuice.net] has joined #debian
10:29<maxb_>*Precisely* how it fails (exact error messages and relevant log file snippets)
10:29<sheldonh>i've set up apache ssl a million times, but can't for the life of me figure out what's going wrong here. with konqueror, the request hangs forever. with elinks, i get the helpful "ssl error". any ideas, given this vhost? http://rafb.net/p/v3aP1k92.html
10:30<Petterson>maxb_ thanks a lot ... I will try be more precise
10:30<maxb_>sheldonh: You could try using the "openssl s_client" command to test a connection and possibly get a better error (man s_client)
10:31<sheldonh>good idea
10:31<sheldonh>thanks
10:31<sheldonh>wow. unknown protocol :)
10:32-!-mode/#debian [+l 380] by debhelper
10:32<sheldonh>i wonder if it isn't because i'm specifying the key inside a virtualhost, and i'm using name-based virtualhosts
10:32<maxb_>oh
10:32<maxb_>yup, that's not going to work unless you're using SNI
10:32<sheldonh>sni?
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10:33<maxb_>Server Name indication, a TLS extension
10:33<maxb_>last time I looked, it required patches to mod_ssl & OpenSSL
10:33<sheldonh>ah, so they _have_ come up with something for that. was wondering :)
10:33<maxb_>Although mod_gnutls I believe is capable of it
10:34<maxb_>Browser support for it is emerging, but not enough that I'd care to run a public site on it
10:34<sheldonh>but alas, that ain't it
10:34<sheldonh>moved the cert into mods-enabled/ssl.conf, still the same
10:36<maxb_>hmm... I have a feeling that <VirtualHost *> without a port specified is dubiously valid
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10:37<sheldonh>is SSLProtocol a mandatory directive?
10:38<chealer>Saskwach: when does it say that?
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10:38<sheldonh>maxb_: you reckon debian's just being naughty? when i saw debian using it, i just assumed i'd picked up a habit that was no longer required
10:40<maxb_>"If you're planning to use multiple ports (e.g. running SSL) you should add a Port to the argument, such as *:80." --http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html
10:41<sheldonh>debian giveth, and debian taketh away :)
10:42<maxb_>So, anyway, I'd make sure to be using *:80 or *:443 as appropriate in all NameVirtualHost and <VirtualHost> directives
10:42<maxb_>just to be on the safe side
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10:43<sheldonh>looks like that's it. testing...
10:43<Luch>hello there...
10:44<Luch>How can I install nvidia drivers easily, like from synaptic?:)
10:45<maxb_>~nvidia
10:45<maxb_>!nvidia
10:45<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
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10:46<Luch>Yeah, its in debian lenny...
10:47<Luch>I saw something about installing it via sh shuting down the X. but its difficult for me... Is there a way for synaptic, like in ubuntu? :)
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10:52<pawel>enyone can help me? I can't start gnome network manager applen I have: ** (nm-applet:4557): WARNING **: <WARN> nma_dbus_init(): could not acquire its service. dbus_bus_acquire_service() says: 'Connection ":1.36" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file'
10:52<chealer>Luch: you can't install them easily, but...
10:52<chealer>!tell Luch about ngd
10:52<Luch>Ah, I though it was like ubuntu, easy lol
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10:53<Luch>Thanks chealer :)
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10:58<Luch>It's a bit difficult for me, I think I'll choose another distro =P
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11:14<Saskwach>chealer: when I run glxinfo or anything that uses 2d or 3d acceleration
11:15<Saskwach>chealer: I've found some literature that tells me I should be runing the 96xx series legacy drivers, so I'm trying that...though they keep complaining that I'm running a Xen kernel (which I'm not)
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11:19<ike>hi, a have a question regarding vim .. I'd like to select several lines and write them to a file, then delete them (as CTRL-B, CTRL-K, CTRL-W, CTRL-Y sequence would do in joe)
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11:24<pawel>how to run network manager applet i have error: **
11:24<pawel> (nm-applet:4557): WARNING **: <WARN> nma_dbus_init(): could not acquire its service.
11:25<pawel> dbus_bus_acquire_service() says: 'Connection ":1.36" is not allowed to own the service
11:25*fxiny morphs into a jackal and suggests ike to install emacs
11:25<pawel> "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration
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11:25<fxiny>ike: i bet in a couple of secs vim users will tell you how ;)
11:25<fxiny>i use vim too :P
11:26<wnd>I'd just yank the files, create a new window, paste the stuff there, save, and close the extra window
11:26<wnd>s/files/lines7
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11:28<wnd><your favourite way to select lines>, d, ctrl-w, P, :w foo, :q
11:28<erKURITA>syntaxis error: line one, near "lines7"
11:28<fxiny>i'd cp the file + delete the unwanted say from 0 to 20 :0 d 20
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11:29<fxiny>but i am a vim edit-config-only user
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11:33<ike>thx all
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11:34<gsimmons>ike: Alternatively: v, <select lines with cursor>, :w filename, gvd
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11:35<fxiny>ohh visual , sweet
11:35<fxiny>marks ?
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11:45<knoppix_>heey=)
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11:51<Bardamu>Hello i can't boot a cdrom since i installed debian
11:52<dutchy>Bardamu: that is usually a function of the BIOS
11:52<Bardamu>yes, but in my bios, the order is: CDROM , IDE
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11:53<Bardamu>the cdrom is in first
11:53<dutchy>so it should boot the CD
11:53<dutchy>unless something is wrong with it that is.
11:54<Bardamu>yeah but it doesn't boo
11:54<Bardamu>boot*
11:54<dutchy>what I am saying is that it has nothing to do with debian, it's a hardware issue.
11:55<Bardamu>hm...
11:55<Bardamu>maybe it's my cdrom
11:55<dutchy>could be
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11:55<Bardamu>but i tried with another livecd also
11:56<dutchy>and did it also not boot?
11:56<Bardamu>so it's a problem of my hardware
11:56<Bardamu>yeah
11:56<Bardamu>and i have not /dev/cdrom
11:56<Bardamu>it's strange
11:56<dutchy>I would guess that it's time to borrow a CD ROM drive out of an old machine
11:56<erKURITA>So, you're saying Debian nuked a CD-ROM Drive?
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11:57<Bardamu>erKURITA: no
11:57<Bardamu>i think my computer is too old
11:57<Bardamu>and it hapen when i install a debian :p
11:58<erKURITA>effectively
11:58<erKURITA>your CD-ROM drive is not cool enough to withstand it
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11:58<erKURITA>cool as in awesome
11:58<fxiny>do a HD install booting from grub
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11:59<Bardamu>the problem is that my internet doesn't work in my debian
11:59<Bardamu>and i can't do an apt-get install
11:59<erKURITA>wait, wasn't the problem the CD-ROM drive?
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11:59<fxiny>you don't need a cdrom to install provided you can tell grub to boot a netinst
12:00<erKURITA>or with floppies
12:00<fxiny>read official docs about hd install
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12:00<fxiny>my cdrom drive is dead since ever ;)
12:00<Bardamu>erKURITA, the real problem is that i have not internet
12:00<Bardamu>so i wanted to boot with a livecd
12:00<Bardamu>and fix this problem
12:01<erKURITA>do you have an ethernet / wifi interface?
12:01<Bardamu>ethernet
12:01<Bardamu>i try dhclient eth0
12:01<Bardamu>but it doesn't work
12:01<erKURITA>try ifconfig eth0
12:01<erKURITA>and see if it brings up anything
12:02<Bardamu>i am in a library
12:02<Bardamu>i will try when i come back to home
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12:03<Bardamu>i wanted to install dhcpcd
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12:16<stevecotton>Bardamu - is it an old LG Electronics CD drive?
12:16<Bardamu>yes
12:17<pde>what is the Correct way to get a new unstable archive key when "apt-key update" does nothing and "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring" fails because the keyring is signed with a new key that I don't have
12:17<pde>a sha1 sum of the new debian-archive-keyring would work I suppose...
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12:24<erKURITA>add the key yourself?
12:24<stevecotton>I can't find a good summary, but do a web search for (without quotes) "flush_cache update_firmware"
12:24<stevecotton>:(
12:25<pde>erKURITA: if I could find a trustworthy source for it I would. I could just force the apt-get install debian-archive-keyring operation, but forcing it seems Incorrect
12:26<erKURITA>pde download it directly from the repos?
12:26<fxiny>pde: what key number is ?
12:26<pde>well, the reason for having signed packages is (1) that someone might MITM your downloads, and (2) someone might break into a repos
12:27<fxiny>pde: $ gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys KEYNUMBER
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12:28<fxiny>then export it and add it
12:28<pde>fxiny: not sure. I have four keys at the moment: 2D230C5F, 6070D3A1, ADB11277, BBE55AB3
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12:28<pde>clearly I need one that isn't one of those :)
12:28<fxiny>pde: $ gpg --armor --export KEYNUM > keyname
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12:29<fxiny>su -c "apt-key add keyname"
12:29<erKURITA>pde you can always list the keys
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12:29<erKURITA>and see which one is it
12:29<pde>anyone know what the KEYNUM the unstable archive recently switched to is?
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12:29<pde>erKURITA: ahhh, how do I do that?
12:30<erKURITA>gpg --list-keys
12:30<pde>how will my gpg installation know what key the archive has recently switched to?
12:31<erKURITA>you should be able to tell from the e-mail
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12:31<pde>which e-mail? Something archived at lists.debian.org?
12:32<erKURITA>well, no. The e-mail listed in the repository key
12:33<pde>oh, weird. I think my problem was something different
12:33<pde>I needed to apt-get update again, then apt-get install debian-archive-keyring no longer failed on account of a lack of keys...
12:34<pde>:/
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12:47<not4u>hey
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12:58<Milos>acn anyone tell me how to install font that i have downloaded
12:58<Milos>?
12:58<Milos>*can
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13:00<saskwach>Does anyone know what needs to be done to get Alsa to see my ac97 card? There's also a cs46xx card in the box. (I'm running Sid)
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13:01<Milos>saskwach, in terminal alsaconf
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13:01<Milos>can anyone tell me how to install font that i have downloaded
13:01<nxreigle>hi
13:02-!-mode/#debian [+l 389] by debhelper
13:02<rootkit_t> setup pptp vpn server by default,but when i try to us win2003 to connect it,i got error 778,then i disable ms-chap v2 validate and get "Error 734: The PPP Link Control Protocol Was Terminated",anyone konw howto fix it?
13:02<saskwach>Hooray, thanks Milos.
13:02<chealer>saskwach: which nvidia drivers version do you use?
13:02<nxreigle>how do i increase the font size in this irc?
13:02<Milos>saskwach, u welcome
13:03<Milos>nxreigle, which irc client do u use?
13:03<saskwach>chealer: I'm using 96.43.05 now and it's working.
13:03<Milos>abrotman,
13:03<Milos>r u here?
13:03<abrotman>hi
13:04<abrotman>i don't do fonts
13:04<rootkit_t>i setup pptp vpn server in debian4.0r3 by default,but when i try to us win2003 to connect it,i got error 778,then i disable ms-chap v2 validate and get "Error 734: The PPP Link Control Protocol Was Terminated",anyone konw howto fix it?
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13:05<Milos>abrotman, but u should know how to instal them?
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13:05<abrotman>i don't do fonts
13:05<Milos>ok
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13:05<Milos>gsimmons, u here?
13:05<nxreigle>i'm using knoppix on my second pc.... how do i add users, and get the login sreen? i tried the useradd in the root, but that didnt work...
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13:06<abrotman>nxreigle: you'd go to #knoppix on irc.freenode.net and ask them
13:06<abrotman>Milos: try google .. stop pestering people
13:06<nxreigle>how do i do tht?
13:06<Milos>abrotman, i did of corurse
13:06<Milos>but i couldn`t find
13:06<abrotman>google "debian install font"
13:06<Milos>i did!
13:06<abrotman>nxreigle: /server irc.freenode.net .. then /j #knoppix
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13:07<nxreigle>whre do i punch that in?
13:07<hendry>where are you supposed to put your own udev rules? /etc/udev/udev.conf ? I am trying to setup a USB key automount
13:07<abrotman>nxreigle: your irc client
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13:08<engkeboy>i have installed joomla on my debian-etch. now it is up and running but i can only access it by typing http://hostname/joomla. how can i change the default page of apache? because when i type http://hostname.. what appears is "It Works!" with the address http://mytube/apache2-default/.. how can i change that into http://hostname/joomla so that when i type http://hostname.. automatically my joomla will apear.
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13:09<deepak>how do in install wlan on Acer travelmate 6291.
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13:10<saskwach>Milos: still getting no sound card found...
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13:12<abrotman>!alsa one-liner
13:12<dpkg>"apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA (ask about <devdsp>). You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications.
13:12<Milos>try to get drivers from your vendor official site
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13:13<deepak>how do in install wifi/wlan on Acer travelmate 6291.
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13:14<saskwach>I've got an onboard AC97 (via82xx) sound card. I tried running alsaconf and selecting it but now alsamixer gives me this: "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory"
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13:15<aurelio>test
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13:15<chealer>deepak: which chipset does the 802.11 card use?
13:15<kop>engkeboy: There's docs in /usr/share/doc/apache*/README.Debian*
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13:16<rootkit_t>i setup pptp vpn server in debian4.0r3 by default,but when i try to us win2003 to connect it,i got error 778,then i disable ms-chap v2 validate and get "Error 734: The PPP Link Control Protocol Was Terminated",anyone konw howto fix it?
13:16<chealer>saskwach: which chipset does your sound card use?
13:16<deepak>chealer, Intel and driver is iw14965
13:17<saskwach>chealer, 00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
13:17<kop>rootkit_t : You'll get clues from the daemon's logs, check /var/log/daemon, /var/log/messages, /var/log/auth.log
13:17<chealer>deepak: which Debian suite do you use?
13:18<kop>rootkit_t : If that does not help, turn up the daemon's log verbosity and try again.
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13:18<deepak>chealer, unstable and kernel 2.6.25-2-686
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13:19<kop>rootkit_t : (Also the docs /usr/share/doc/pptp*/ sometimes help.)
13:19<chealer>saskwach: which Linux version do you use?
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13:19<fxiny>kop: any solution for monitoring your nick status ?
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13:20<chealer>deepak: is iwl4965 loaded?
13:20<deepak>chealer, yes
13:21<saskwach>chealer, 2.6.25-2-686 stock
13:21<kop>fxiny : Ah, thanks for the reply. Let me replay what I want to do.... (Right now am working on udev hacking for USB serial converter consoles.)
13:21<kop>fxiny : Re ifplugd. What I really want to do is alter firewall configurations (and probably routing tables) as routes go up and down, but I'll be doing something klugy, like ping, to tell whether routes exist rather than running a routing protocol. (I guess it's not the route I'm interested in as much as the device..., but I do want to check for internet access by pinging the ISP's gateway etc.)
13:22<chealer>saskwach: did sound already work on that machine?
13:23<chealer>deepak: what makes you think you need to install something?
13:23<fxiny>kop: ping ? i use 5 pings to check for route and or site up
13:23<saskwach>chealer, it used to work, but that was with a cs46xx driver, which came out of Debian's kernel, so I'm trying to switch to the AC97 on my motherboard so I can hear things.
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13:24<fxiny>kop: when backing up with rsync or to avoid 100 wget running pids ;)
13:25<godlie>hm how to track grub errors without having remote console attached?
13:26<fxiny>kop: yesterday , i was thinking about incron/inotify when you mentioned fam
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13:26<fxiny>i used incron for a while , works just fine
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13:28<deepak>chealer, see i am not able to connect thats y i was thinking that i am missing something .
13:29<chealer>deepak: is firmware-iwlwifi installed?
13:29<deepak>chealer, is it driver or package ?
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13:31<godlie>how to enable boot loging?
13:31<chealer>deepak: a package
13:31<godlie>i just editet the /etc/default/bootlogd
13:32<godlie>but /var/log/boot is empty
13:32<deepak>chealer, no
13:33<chealer>deepak: you need the firmware
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13:34<deepak>chealer, ok i am just installing
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13:36<deepak>chealer, yes done
13:36<kop>fxiny : incron sounds handy
13:36<deepak>chealer, what next
13:37<chealer>deepak: does your problem persist?
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13:39<kop>godlie : Deamon's are normally started at boot. But rather than reboot to start the deaemon just run (as root): /etc/init.d/bootlogd start
13:39<godlie>kop i got the problem my remote server hangs up on boot
13:39<kop>godlie : s/'//
13:40<godlie>so i think grub is misconfigured
13:40<chealer>godlie: it's still empty after rebooting, right?
13:40<godlie>jop
13:40<godlie>grml yes
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13:40<fxiny>kop: indeed , another debian-administration good tip
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13:41<kop>godlie : (FWIW I like attaching another computer to the serial port and using the serial port as a console. That's most robust when you've got the computers on-site.
13:41<chealer>saskwach: except for alsamixer, do you have issues?
13:41<godlie>kop that would be possible but i haven't acces to the server right now
13:41<deepak>chealer, yes it is
13:42<chealer>deepak: how do you try to connect?
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13:43<godlie>is there no chance to track any erros thrown by grub?
13:43<deepak>chealer, i am trying iwconfig wlan0 ssid "mynew"
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13:44<chealer>godlie: how do you know that /var/log/boot is empty if the machine fails to boot
13:44<godlie>chealer i have an possibilty to boot into a rescue system
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13:45<godlie>but one strange thing is when im in the rescue system my root partiton is md1 but i while the setup process it was md0
13:46<chealer>godlie: are you sure bootlogd is supposes to have logged something? it only logs from a certain stage.
13:47<godlie>that is what im afraid of
13:47<fxiny>a grub manual boot should tell you
13:47<godlie>fxiny: ?
13:48<fxiny>grub errors
13:48<chealer>godlie: which Debian suite do you use?
13:48<godlie>etch 4.0
13:48<fxiny>just grub errors
13:48<godlie>fxiny where to find them?
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13:48<chealer>godlie: unless something tells you otherwise, I'd assume the startup hangs before bootlogd starts
13:48<fxiny>when manual booting with grub cli you can read grub errors
13:48<fxiny>if any
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13:49<chealer>deepak: you mean essid, right?
13:49<godlie>fxiny i have no physical access to it
13:49<fxiny>i know that
13:49<fxiny>just to say i doubt bootlog logs grub errors
13:49<godlie>a manul grub cli boot? i cant follow
13:49<godlie>doesn't seem so
13:50<deepak>chealer, yes
13:50<fxiny>of course it can't : the system is not up
13:50<chealer>deepak: and why are you unable to connect?
13:50<godlie>im now within the rescue sys
13:50<saskwach>chealer, no sound?
13:50<deepak>chealer, ?
13:51<godlie>ive altered grub menu.lst
13:51<godlie>so i will have to build the initramdisk new or?
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13:51<chealer>saskwach: could you paste alsaconf's output?
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13:52<deepak>chealer, now wlan is working but now able to connect router ..
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13:52<saskwach>chealer, Loading driver...
13:52<saskwach>Setting default volumes...
13:52<saskwach>amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
13:53<kop>I'm looking through the linux drivers in drivers/usb/serial/ and want to find out all the devices that set a udev $attr{serial} manufacturer-serial-number-of-the-device. What's the best way to search? Grep for a call to whatever sets sysfs values? What would that call be?
13:53<saskwach>chealer, then it says it's ready to use and to have fun.
13:54<chealer>saskwach: nothing else?
13:54<chealer>deepak: how do you know that you are unable to connect?
13:54<kop>godlie : You don't have to do anything after altering grub's menu.lst.
13:54<saskwach>chealer, nope, that's it...after I tell it which driver to use through the curses interface, that is
13:55<kop>godlie : You only need to remake an initrd if you've moved the old /boot/initrd* to new hardware and it's not got the right modules it needs to boot.
13:56<deepak>chealer, hay if i am using iwlist scan then i am able to get san result but still not able to ping router ..
13:57<retalla>is there any way to keep the kernel parameters of the menu.lst file through kernel upgrades? After each kernel upgrade I have to manually edit the menu.lst file to set the root path properly (root=/dev/hde2). thx
13:57<chealer>deepak: do you have an IP address?
13:58<deepak>chealer, yes i have given 192.168.1.2 to my laptop
13:58<deepak>chealer, using ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.2
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13:59<chealer>saskwach: do you use KDE?
14:00<chealer>deepak: does your router run a DHCP server?
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14:00<deepak>chealer, yes it does
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14:01<chealer>deepak: but you don't use it?
14:01<deepak>chealer, i will try it now
14:01<saskwach>chealer, nope, no KDE. My wm is fluxbox.
14:01<chealer>saskwach: would it be annoying to try kmix?
14:02<Sebby>i have installed postgresql using apt-get install postgresql and installed the version 7.xx and i need a newer version is it possible to upgrade..how?
14:02<saskwach>chealer, asking aptitude...nope, no sweat
14:02<Maulkin>Sebby: install postgresql-8.1
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14:03<Sebby>how?
14:03<Maulkin>Sebby: apt-get install postgresql-8.1
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14:03<Sebby>but first i have to uninstall the 7.xx version isn`t it?
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14:04<saskwach>chealer, no items in kmix's "current mixer" dropdown
14:04<Maulkin>It should go away automatically.
14:04<Sebby>and i need 8.1.4 version (minimum 8.1.4)
14:04<Maulkin>Well, that's 8.1.11
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14:05<Maulkin>Just run "apt-get install postgresql-8.1" already
14:05<kop>Sebby: Last I upgraded (with apt) it did all the converting of the databases and everything for me.
14:05*Maulkin goes to the pub.
14:05<Sebby>how do i uninstall 7.xxx?
14:05<Maulkin>It will go away by itself.
14:05<Maulkin>Just run "apt-get install postgresql-8.1"
14:06<kop>Sebby: There's docs (IIRC) in /usr/share/doc/postgres*/ regarding debian and the upgrade process (and how it's magic works)
14:08<chealer>saskwach: what does $ asoundconf list; output?
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14:14<deepak>chealer, when i am using dhcp its getting fail ??
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14:14<saskwach>chealer, "Names of available sound cards:" and nothing else...
14:14<chealer>deepak: what do you mean?
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14:15<deepak>chealer, if i will give dhcp connected to wlan0 in /etc/network/interface file its sending request but getting no response.
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14:16<chealer>deepak: when doing what?
14:17<deepak>chealer, see when i am running iwlist scan it shows information like essid , AP etc.
14:17<deepak>chealer, then i am doing iwconfig wlan0 essid "name" key s:password but still not able to connect
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14:19<chealer>deepak: when does your computer send DHCP requests without getting replies?
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14:19<deepak>chealer, yes
14:20<deepak>chealer, when i run /etc/init.d/networking start .
14:20<chealer>deepak: OK. what is the output of # dhclient wlan0
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14:23<deepak>chealer, it says listening on LPF/wlan0/<HARDWARE ADD> , sending on LPF/wlan0/HARD---- , Sending on Socket/fallback , DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 ----to 20 then last is No DHCPOFFERS received
14:24<Hideo>deepak: when you do #iwconfig wlan0 , what is shown in the "access point: field" ?
14:24<_ZeuZ_>deepak, Shows that either you're not associated with the Wireless network, or the AP/Wireless Router/Router behind the Wireless Access Point has No DHCP configured
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14:25<Hideo>deepak: I suspect it says "not associated" or some such
14:25<deepak>Hideo, it shows Hardware Add of router
14:25<Hideo>ok, it's associated then
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14:26<deepak>_ZeuZ_, it has dhcp enabled
14:27<chealer>deepak: what devices are on your LAN?
14:28<deepak>chealer, you are taking about router?
14:28<_ZeuZ_>well just to see if you're associated and your card is working properly, do you remember the network you're in? like, 192.168.1.1 or whatever... assig yourself an IP like XXX.XXX.XXX.110 (where the previous XXX are replaced with the network area data) and add the route and see if you can ping your router/ap
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14:29<deepak>_ZeuZ_, yes i did but not able to ping
14:29<angasule>how well does having non-ASCII login names work?
14:29<_ZeuZ_>deepak, pastebin the output of iwconfig wlan0 and show us the output
14:30<chealer>deepak: well, are there other devices on your LAN than your laptop and your router?
14:30<chealer>saskwach: which prompts do you get in alsaconf?
14:31<saskwach>chealer, via82xx and legacy
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14:34<chealer>saskwach: what does $ amixer; output?
14:34<deepak>_ZeuZ_, output of iwconfig wlan0 is wlan0 IEEE802.11g ESSID:"abc", Mode:Managed Frequency Accress Poing : 00:01:02:02:03:09, Tx-Power=27 db Retry min limit:7 RTS thr:off Fregment thr=2352B Encrypting key:12334-212 Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noice level=0 Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0---
14:35<deepak>chealer, no
14:35<Hideo>you just posted your key
14:35<_ZeuZ_>deepak, you're NOT associated.
14:35<Hideo>and 0 signal level
14:35<abrotman>deepak: do you get an IP from the dhcp server? does 'route -n' show anything useful ?
14:35<deepak>abourgeois, no i am not getting
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14:36<_ZeuZ_>" Accress Poing : 00:01:02:02:03:09 " >>>>>>> That CAN NOT be the output of it.
14:36<_ZeuZ_>deepak, I repeat, you're not associated.
14:36<saskwach>chealer, amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
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14:37<chealer>saskwach: can you provide your dmesg?
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14:37<Boxmanbr>hi
14:37<deepak>_ZeuZ_, then y Access point is showing ??and when i am using iwlist scan its shows me the same hardware address ??
14:37<_ZeuZ_>deepak, seing that you've got X sessions running, why don't you install wicd ? It will render you facilities to do what you need
14:37<Boxmanbr>lol, my HD has a problem
14:37<Boxmanbr>im using CD of kurumin
14:37<_ZeuZ_>deepak, that has absolutely NO relation.
14:37<saskwach>ooh
14:37<Boxmanbr>im loses my all archives :(
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14:38<saskwach>chealer, http://nmichaels.org/dmesg
14:38<deepak>_ZeuZ_, what is wicd ??
14:39<_ZeuZ_>deepak, don't ask, google ^_^
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14:39<deepak>_ZeuZ_, ok
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14:41<chealer>saskwach: you must have more in your dmesg log, but that shows problems with your sound card. which ALSA drivers version do you use?
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14:42<aluno>kfvm
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14:43<chealer>deepak: from which computer do you access this channel?
14:43<saskwach>chealer, alsa-base is 1.0.16-2.
14:43<deepak>chealer, from my laptop
14:43<chealer>saskwach: $ cat /proc/asound/version
14:44<chealer>deepak: via an Ethernet card?
14:44<saskwach>chealer, 1.0.16rc2
14:44<deepak>chealer, no via iwconfig wlan0
14:45<_ZeuZ_>eepak, that's a configuration command for the wireless interface
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14:46<chealer>saskwach: please provide your full dmesg log
14:46<_ZeuZ_>deepak, if you use THAT wlan0 interface, you're not using a wired ethernet card, but a wireless ethernet card.
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14:47<deepak>_ZeuZ_, yes and i want to do that on my laptop
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14:48<_ZeuZ_>well, then go for wicd since it seems you have problems with the CLI
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14:49<saskwach>chealer, same place: http://nmichaels.org/dmesg
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14:49*_ZeuZ_ Loves his cousin address for RealityKings
14:50<_ZeuZ_>sed 's/address/credential/'
14:50<_ZeuZ_>hmm.. I'm stating to think my little script for eval commands and redo the output (bot-like) is not currently working well
14:51<chealer>deepak: is there an Ethernet card on your laptop?
14:51<deepak>chealer, yes
14:54<chealer>deepak: since you're unable to use your laptop's 802.11 card, are you connecting to this IRC server using your ethernet card?
14:55<deepak>chealer, No that is different computer .which is connected to Ethernet card.
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14:56<chealer>deepak: how many devices do you have in your LAN?
14:57<SaintK>Hi, on my quest to find a decent mailserver with a good looking webmail client and easy to administrate (max 100 accounts) i have crossed alot of mailsystems... One i got adviced here was 'Zimbra', i tested it out, and absolutely love the system, the downside thought, you cannot intergrate it in your excisting apache2 or mysql-server envoirment. So once again i need to continue looking.
14:57<deepak>chealer, i have two router and both are entirely different from each other
14:57<SaintK>Does anyone have a suggestion for my needs which i could check out closer?
14:58<chealer>deepak: OK. so your laptop is the only PC connected to its router?
14:58<_ZeuZ_>SaintK, Roundcube?
14:58<SaintK>I came across 'roundcube' which looks really intresting as webclient. Only i don't know what to use with it as mail system below it
14:58<deepak>chealer, yes :)
14:58<SaintK>Which would be easy to administrate
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14:59<chealer>deepak: are you able to reach that router from your laptop using your laptop's Ethernet card?
14:59<SaintK>I would pref. want it to be able to use MySQL for possible future intergration in other stuff
14:59<deepak>chealer, yes i do
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15:01<chealer>deepak: are you just using a different PC to connect to IRC because you disabled your laptop's Ethernet interface to ease testing your laptop's 802.11 interface?
15:02<deepak>chealer, yes
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15:02<SaintK>_ZeuZ_ , do you happen to know what MTA could i use in combination with Roundcube which is easy to administrate (with some sort of administration pannel)
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15:02<Tuplad>!diff
15:02<dpkg>You can use 'diff' and 'patch' to patch binary files! Just pass the -a option to diff, and _BE SURE_ to pipe the output to a file, otherwise you're going to see a lot of noise...
15:02<Tuplad>:o
15:02<Tuplad>is it wise to remove the diff package?
15:03<erKURITA>Nope
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15:04<erKURITA>SaintK Postfix
15:04<erKURITA>I used Postfix with Roundcube, MySQL and Lighttpd
15:04<chealer>deepak: how do you get an IP for your laptop's ethernet interface?
15:04<erKURITA>it ran smoothly
15:04<deepak>chealer, using dhcp
15:05<SaintK>erKURITA: Does Roundcube also provide the administrative side for postfix, so i can add, remove, change accounts and such ?
15:05<Tuplad>erKURITA: hmm, in nautilus, when I right click a file, I get this huge ass icon with "compare files later" next to it, I thought it'd be diff and I removed it
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15:06<erKURITA>SaintK I think so
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15:06<erKURITA>but I'm unsure
15:06<SaintK>erKURITA: How do you manage your useraccounts in postfix in that case ?
15:06<_ZeuZ_>SaintK, EXIM
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15:06<erKURITA>SaintK I used WebMin, for that matter
15:07<erKURITA>Tuplad
15:07<chealer>deepak: please connect via your laptop's ethernet and paste the output of # iwlist wlan0 scan; iwconfig wlan0; dhclient wlan0; to paste.debian.net
15:07<erKURITA>diff is used to lessen the amount of bytes downloaded from the repositories when issuing an apt-get update
15:07<erKURITA>by retrieving just the differences
15:08<erKURITA>and patching it
15:08<deepak>chealer, ok
15:08<Tuplad>oh
15:08<Tuplad>I installed it back :D
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15:09<bardamu>mplayer: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libavformat.so.51: undefined symbol: av_crc04C11DB7
15:09<emgent>hi
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15:10<bardamu>when i try playing a movie, i have this error
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15:16<chealer>saskwach: I don't know, but it looks like a bug if that card works in any OS. you could ask the original poster of http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=154542&sid=fc027fbf92b23490b5087bff00042540 which Linux version and chipset he uses.
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15:30<bardamu>http://pastebin.fr/2028
15:30<bardamu>i can't install mldonkey-server
15:30<bardamu>and my mplayer doesn't work
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15:31<bardamu> mplayer: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libavformat.so.51:
15:31<bardamu> undefined symbol: av_crc04C11DB7
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15:31<deepak>chealer, done you can check it now
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15:36<chealer>deepak: iwconfig wlan0; shows you're not associated, as _ZeuZ_ wrote. does switching to mode managed help?
15:37<saskwach>Well thanks chealer, I'll keep looking into it.
15:37<deepak>chealer, i have not tried it i am trying ..
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15:42<deepak>chealer, nope it does not help
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15:43<_ZeuZ_>chealer, he seems to not know how to use iwconfig since setting the ap mac address and his mac address to the same will lead to broadcasting errors as he seems to having it set there
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15:44<_ZeuZ_>Therefore, deepak I advice you to get wicd and it's totally intuitive
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15:44<chealer>deepak: what does iwconfig wlan0; output now? is your connection secured?
15:44<_ZeuZ_>It will not only help you with Wireless networks, but with different protocols of wired interfaces
15:44<deepak>_ZeuZ_, ok
15:44<deepak>chealer, yes
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15:52<sysop4>hi guys
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15:56<hobophobe>Anyone using iceweasel 3 that can confirm the spinner/throbber doesn't spin when a page is loading?
15:57<deepak>_ZeuZ_, chealer its working now :)
15:57<deepak>_ZeuZ_, thanks
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15:58<deepak>chealer, thanks a lot
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15:58<_ZeuZ_>Looks like someone finally used his head :)
15:59<chealer>deepak: how did you solve it?
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16:00<lxmario>hi
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16:01<lxmario>I have big problem with install X300 on Z60 m - help :(
16:01<hobophobe>ah, apparently it's because it's an APNG. Learn something new every day.
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16:02<abrotman>!ask
16:03<abrotman>lxmario: we need more information
16:03<lxmario>ok
16:06<deepak>chealer, i have changed the mode and gave the wpa key as password ..
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16:06<lxmario>o sorry, I find, what was wrong in xorg.conf
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16:08<chealer>deepak: OK
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16:09<lxmario>this channel is only EN ?? Can I write in PL ??
16:09<_ZeuZ_>chealer, is it me, or that just does not make too much sense
16:09<_ZeuZ_>lxmario, no, just EN
16:09<_ZeuZ_>!pl
16:10<lxmario>ok
16:10<Petterson>how do I paste?
16:10<chealer>_ZeuZ_: why?
16:10<hobophobe>dang mozilla screwed us with this apng crap
16:11<_ZeuZ_>to properly set wpa you need to deal with wpasupplicant, and he told us he was using wep...
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16:13<chealer>_ZeuZ_: I don't know, I didn't see him write he was using WEP
16:14<jaminkle>i need to make my screen 1440x900 but it's not in the list
16:14<jaminkle>under screen resolution
16:15<_ZeuZ_>chealer, I suspect he came last night telling he was blind since his IP is the same, and last time he was using mIRC... well, either way, glad he solved it, let's leave it tere
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16:18<Petterson>I'm having a connection problem using apache2+jboss+mod_jk1.2, where (logs) should I look/configure to find out what is the cause of the problem?
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16:18<Petterson>I'm in a debian etch amd64
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16:20<chealer>_ZeuZ_: maybe. I believe wpasupplicant is only needed for WPA Enterprise
16:20<_ZeuZ_>afaik, It's needed for 'any' wpa
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16:24<_ZeuZ_>well, gotta go... take care guys
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16:38<Mike2>Has anyone else been having problems with menus not updating when installing packages? Logging out of gnome and back in again causes the missing menu items to appear.
16:38<Mike2>I am running Sid btw.
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16:45<abrotman>!bts
16:45<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
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18:00<usuario>prueba
18:00<usuario>100 en el examen
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18:01<joney>tiooooo
18:01<usuario>jejeje esto es un examen salimos bien
18:01<joney>100 de 100
18:01<usuario>yaniro le quedo grande pezcar nuestro chat
18:01<joney>bueno eso es verd
18:01<qq>!es
18:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:04<joney>ddddd
18:04<usuario>lllllllllllllll
18:04<usuario>rrrr
18:04<joney>no
18:04<joney>no
18:04<joney>no
18:04<joney>no
18:04<joney>hghjghjg
18:04<joney>hghg
18:05<usuario>eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
18:06<ameyer>o_O
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18:23<creeed>hello friends, I'm a newbie and wanna know how to manage the daemons witch start after init on booting?
18:24<Lethalman>creeed, i'm new too but take a look at update-rc.d
18:25<Torsten_W>creeed: start rcconf
18:27<Lethalman>uh?
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18:28<Milos>Torsten_W, rcconf?
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18:29<Lethalman>Milos, apt-cache show rcconf
18:30<Lethalman>it's a console frontend to update-rc.d, good to know :)
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18:57<haxi>many someone have an idea of what's going on here? http://rafb.net/p/hbdQxR60.html
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18:59<abrotman>haxi: that's not Debian ?
18:59<haxi>it's debian.
19:00<abrotman>maybe they changed it
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19:00<haxi>maybe it's sudo config.. idk
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19:11<_ZeuZ_>abrotman, it's Lenny
19:11<_ZeuZ_>haxi, it's normal
19:11<_ZeuZ_>haxi, it will only say that ONCE
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19:33<jallar>hi guys
19:33<jallar>is there a debian forum i can search for noob questions?
19:33<_ZeuZ_>jallar, I recomend linuxquestions.com
19:33<jallar>you see i just installed debian on my laptop, and it just doesn't work
19:34<jallar>xp worked on it before, arch worked but i couldn't figure out how to setup wireless so i wanted to try something perceivably easier
19:34<jallar>now after installation i boot it up and the screen just goes black after booting, as in 'sleep mode' or something, and nothing will 'wake it up'
19:34<jallar>apart from shutting it off which gives me the command prompt just long enough to watch it shut down
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19:36<dimebar>jallar: also forums.debian.net may be worth a look
19:36<jallar>thank you
19:37<_ZeuZ_>!keyboard
19:37<dpkg>A keyboard is something you hit to fix segfaults, sigsegvs, and faulty hardware or at http://store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/. For help setting up your keyboard, ask me about <keymap>, <keyboard specialkeys>, <multimedia keys>, <key delay>
19:37<dimebar>jallar: also when it comes to wireless ubuntu worked straight away on my laptop (with a belkin pcimia card)
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19:37<_ZeuZ_>!keymap
19:37<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
19:37<jallar>i know, ubuntu just works, but ubuntu is a bit too hands off i think
19:37<jallar>i was trying to find a middle road
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19:38<_ZeuZ_>and: when your realize that you're loosing your resources doing nothing, it's too late xD
19:38<_ZeuZ_>(when you use ubuntu)
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19:38<dimebar>jallar: lol if you wan't 'hands off' but can't get past the install of other distros maybe its time for some 'hands on'
19:39<jallar>no i'm saying i don't want hands off
19:39<jallar>if i wanted that i might as well just pop in my xp disc again
19:39<Luch>hey guys, i have a little problem
19:39<Luch>My debian runs very slow, I have a sata disc, can be that the problem? its a celeron 2ghz 512mb ram and geforce 6200 256mb.. Thankyou..
19:39<Luch>I installed the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com
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19:40<dimebar>Luch: the sata shouldn't cause you any performance problems; what else do you have running?
19:40<_ZeuZ_>Luch, compile your kernel with the timer set to 1000 and you'll feel the power of Desktop-ment Linux
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19:41<Luch>How can I do that ZeuZ... im not a noob but either a guru...
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19:42<_ZeuZ_>Luch, want a quick tutorial?
19:42<Luch>That would be great, Thankyou
19:42<_ZeuZ_>Well, let's start off... YOu need to install some libraries for the development itself
19:42<_ZeuZ_>(I'll tell you what thos are later)
19:43<Luch>mm I'm in windows right now, will it be better if I switch to debian and talk you there?
19:43<_ZeuZ_>Then you need to download the source of a kenrel of your choice (preferibly the last stable) into /usr/src
19:43<_ZeuZ_>well
19:43<_ZeuZ_>I have a better advice for you
19:43<_ZeuZ_>Add me to that email, or email me there.
19:43<_ZeuZ_>I'll be happy to help ya
19:44<Luch>Added ,thank you zeus :)
19:45<_ZeuZ_>No problem, let's continue there
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21:00<KrnlPanic>;)
21:00<KrnlPanic>oops, make that :((
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21:02<KrnlPanic>trying to build a nvidia module on kernel 2.6.25-2-686... keeps telling i'm trying to install to a Xen kernel
21:04<Mickey>where is a good place to past a error log and then past that url here? i am assuming pasting large logs here will get you kicked
21:04<KrnlPanic>same deal when installing the Nvidia non-free drivers, if I lie and export $CC=gcc-4.1... get the Xen message
21:05<KrnlPanic>there's a channel for posting logs... but I forget the name?
21:07<KrnlPanic>!postlog
21:08<KrnlPanic>illegal command
21:08<KrnlPanic>!largepost
21:08<KrnlPanic>!bigpost
21:08<ameyer>!paste
21:09<ameyer>wait a second...
21:09<KrnlPanic>!help
21:09<ameyer>all of that only works when dpkg is in the channel
21:09<KrnlPanic>oh duh
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21:10<ameyer>that would have been ~15 minutes ago
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21:12<qq>http://rafb.net/paste/
21:14<qq>KrnlPanic, use ^^^^^
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21:15<Mickey>qq, thats whats i remember using before...thanks you rock!
21:15<Mickey>http://rafb.net/p/tpNaTH90.html
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21:17<qq>np
21:17<Mickey>so the issue is when i enable ssl apache keeps SIGTERM, shutting down ....every few minutes
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21:18<Mickey>its a vmware image of dekiwiki based on debian
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21:19<Mickey>i enabled .htaccess with digest mode auth and that works and then i enable ssl and it works to but apache keeps restarting
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21:20<qq>Mickey, 0.9.8c configured <<< is to old (my 2 c)
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21:22<Mickey>well its a vmware image from...http://wiki.developer.mindtouch.com/
21:22<Mickey>then i follow this ...http://wiki.developer.mindtouch.com/MindTouch_Deki/FAQ/Configuration/How_do_I...Provide_HTTPS_access_to_Deki_Wiki%3f
21:22<qq>still to old .. need a new >> Installed: 0.9.8g-10.1
21:22<KrnlPanic>what log would the kpkg log be in... don't see anything like it in var
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21:23<Mickey>hmm, how can i tell which version of debian this is based on
21:23<Mickey>i did a apt-get upadate and then apt-get -u dist-upgrade
21:23<qq>apt-cache policy openssl
21:24<Mickey> 0.9.8c-4etch3 0
21:24<Mickey>i am new to debian
21:24<qq>me too
21:25<Mickey>so i apologize for all the questions
21:25<qq>but on sid ...
21:26<qq>ah 0.9.8c-4etch3 ,is ok on etch , sorry
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21:29<qq>Mickey, why not just ? >>> apt-get dist-upgrade
21:29<Mickey>i did
21:29<Mickey>apt-get -u dist-upgrade
21:29<KrnlPanic>http://rafb.net/p/QKXw0C47.html << /var/log/nvidia-install.log
21:29<qq>w/o "-u" Mickey
21:30<KrnlPanic>tells me I'm trying to install to a Xen kernel..... NOT
21:30<Mickey>ok ..it says Calculating upgrade... Done
21:30<Mickey>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
21:30<qq>ok, than
21:31<qq>KrnlPanic, uname -r
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21:32<KrnlPanic>2.6.25-2-686
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21:34<qq>is a debian stock kernel ?
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21:34<KrnlPanic>yes it's a sid kernel
21:35<KrnlPanic>have the headers and source tree
21:35<KrnlPanic>and nvidia source
21:35<KrnlPanic>do i need to unzip those bz2 tarballs in /usr/src?
21:36<qq>strange that ' Performing Xen check'
21:36<KrnlPanic>or just leave them as deb package installed them?
21:36<qq>so, dunno , sry
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21:38<renginez>anyone got samples of interfaces?
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21:38<renginez>i think i edited wrongly my interface list...
21:40<KrnlPanic>i'm going to try... tar xvjf on those source tarballs in /usr/src
21:40<KrnlPanic>they're bz2
21:41<engkeboy>exit
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21:42<qq>use bunzip2 ?
21:42<renginez>KrnlPanic: use jxvf instead xvjf/.....to unzip tarballs
21:43<KrnlPanic>k, thanks.... will do
21:43<KrnlPanic>same letters, different order... does it matter/
21:43<KrnlPanic>?
21:43<qq>no
21:44<KrnlPanic>hey that's the order they're listed in the man page ;)
21:44<renginez>everyone, i tried to get my dlink dwa110 (rt73 ralink chipset) to work on lenny debian...
21:44<_ZeuZ_>KrnlPanic, to unzip a bz2: tar -jxvf file_to_decompress
21:45<renginez>configured all...but still it does not light up? infact i added a line for wlan0 at interfaces...? whats missing? (sorry for my bad english)
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21:47<qq>auto wlan0
21:47<qq>iface wlan0 inet dhcp
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21:49<renginez>auto wlan0 1st then inet dchp?
21:49<renginez>qq:^^^^
21:49<qq>dhcp not dchp
21:50<KrnlPanic>wow! that source is huge... I think it's still unpacking stuff
21:50<qq>renginez, yes on 2 lines
21:51<KrnlPanic>it's still going
21:51<KrnlPanic>done finally
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21:54<KrnlPanic>got a new directory from linux-source... /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.25
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21:55<renginez>qq:can i have all (auto lo, auto eth0 and auto wlan0)?
21:55<qq>renginez, yes
21:55<KrnlPanic>and a new directory under modules for the nvidia source... /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel
21:57<KrnlPanic>going to try building a nvida kernel module again... maybe it'll work better with the source tarballs unzipped
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21:57<Milos>hello
21:58<Milos>i have msi vrx laptop and i can`t find drivers for my graphic card
21:58<Milos>;/
21:58<renginez>qq: its weird my interface i think its correctly configured...but my ralnik that used to work on debian etch is not working in lenny? i had done everything....somehow it misses sumting...
21:59<qq>Milos, lspci |grep VGA
21:59<Milos>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
21:59<qq>renginez, correct
22:00<renginez>qq: mind checking my interface? to see if its correctly done?
22:00<qq>for lenny use lenny driver
22:00<Milos>qq, now what, btw i`m on debian etch 4
22:00<renginez>qq: ^^^...i got wlan0 when i iwconfig, but the network seems to be down,,,,?
22:01<KrnlPanic>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15)
22:01<qq>i dunno renginez
22:01<KrnlPanic>legacy 71xx
22:01<Milos>KrnlPanic, ?
22:02<KrnlPanic>I'm having GPU troubles too :((
22:02<renginez>Could anyone help me to get my wifi working on debian lenny? it use to work on etch....:(
22:02<renginez>is it some bug???
22:03<Laeborg>how do i restart x server?
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22:03<qq>Milos, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
22:04<KrnlPanic>Milos, try ... lspci -nn
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22:05<qq>Laeborg, /etc/init.d/gdm restart (or kdm )
22:07<Milos>qq, which x server driver should i choose
22:07<Milos>?
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22:07<Milos>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
22:07<Milos>there is no intel in the list
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22:08<Milos>should i choose vga?
22:08<qq>wich list ?
22:08<ameyer>i810?
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22:09<snogglethorpe>Milos: intel driver?
22:09<Milos>qq, it should recognize my video card but it didn`t, and i have now a list of x server drivers from which i should choose one
22:09<Milos>snogglethorpe, there is no intel in the list
22:10<snogglethorpe>Milos: perhaps you need to install the "xserver-xorg-video-intel" package
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22:10<Milos>maybe
22:10<Milos>http://pastebin.com/d464f2a52
22:10*ameyer believes that etch and prior versions didn't have the intel driver
22:10<Milos>qq, here is what i got
22:11<snogglethorpe>Milos: decript says: "This package provides the driver for the Intel i8xx and i9xx family of chipsets, including i810, i815, i830, i845, i855, i865, i915, i945 and i965 series chips."
22:11<snogglethorpe>(descript)
22:11<ameyer>Milos: that looks like the end of the list
22:11<Milos>ameyer, yes it is
22:11<ameyer>Try scrolling up. You'd want i810 or intel
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22:13<Milos>ameyer, there isn`t intel
22:13<Milos>i810 yes
22:13<qq>Milos, try [04:08:27] ameyer i810?
22:13<Milos>ok tnx
22:13<ameyer>Milos: etch?
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22:14<Milos>yap
22:14<Milos>4
22:14<Milos>snogglethorpe, can u tell me how to install xserver-xorg-video-intel package
22:15<Milos>aptitude?
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22:17<Milos>KrnlPanic, http://pastebin.com/d22f260e8
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22:21<KrnlPanic>The NVIDIA driver does not currently work on Xen kernels. If
22:21<KrnlPanic>you are using a stock distribution kernel, please install
22:21<KrnlPanic>a variant of this kernel without Xen support
22:21<ameyer>yeah, etch doesn't have xserver-xorg-video-intel
22:21*ameyer didn't think it did
22:21<Milos>so what do you suggest me to do?
22:21<qq>Milos, run "tasksel" its easier to choose desktop environment
22:21<KrnlPanic>still getting that damn Xen message ((:
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22:21<ameyer>Milos: just use the friendly i810 driver
22:22<ameyer>(censored for your protection)
22:22<KrnlPanic>:((
22:22<qq>KrnlPanic, install than an other kernel
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22:23<KrnlPanic>same jive on the stock lenny kernel 2.22.3
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22:23<qq>so fill a bug
22:24<KrnlPanic>that's why I switched to 2.6.25
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22:24<KrnlPanic>funny thing is that Kanotix works great at 1024 X 768
22:26<herman>I'm running a fresh install of etch and I want to install iceweasel 3, but it's in the sid unstable repo, what do I need to add to my sources.list go get it
22:26<qq>no
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22:27<qq>herman, wait for backports
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22:30<herman>qq: do you know when that will be?
22:30<qq>no
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22:32<qq>maybe ones lenny will be out , will be a backports for iceweasel 3 too
22:32<herman>exit
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22:34<renginez>ANyone know whats the interface(5) readme command in terminal? i need it badly..
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22:42<chealer>renginez: what do you mean by "the interface(5) readme command"?
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22:47<renginez>i mean the readme for configuring and editing the interface file...?
22:47<renginez>chealer:^^^
22:48<chealer>renginez: do you mean the manual page for the interfaces file?
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22:58<renginez>chealer: yes......if possible the interface(5) reference..
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22:58<chealer>renginez: do you use KDE?
22:59<renginez>chealer:GNOME...
23:00<chealer>renginez: the terminal command to see the manual page interfaces(5), with a "s", is $ man interfaces
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23:06<renginez>chealer:tx man
23:06<renginez>u rule too
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23:15<renginez>Oh.....btw guys....if i wanna install wifi package to get my wifi working, must i edit the /etc/network/interface 1st whenever i start to compile and install?
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23:19<chealer>renginez: no
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23:34<josh>what is the name of the program that replaced beryl
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23:35<Guest2580>i keep forgetting for the life of me
23:35<qq>compiz-fusion ?
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23:36<Guest2580>yea thats it
23:36<Guest2580>lol thanks
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23:36<qq>np
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23:39<smallfry>anyone here???
23:41<amphi>where?
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23:55<argonel>dpkg, oh dpkg, wherefore art thou?
23:56<amphi>!argonel yearns for you tragically
23:57<ameyer>!lastlog dpkg
23:57<ameyer>erm crap
23:57<ameyer>s/!/
23:57<ameyer>erm
23:58<ameyer>anyway, dpkg left the building at 19:54 gmt-5
23:58<ameyer>or is it gmt-6
23:58<argonel>i'd like to get a list of packages that provide a given virtual package, is it possible?
23:58<ameyer>anyway, that'd be a bit over 3 hours ago
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