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00:01<chealer>dondelelcaro: are you aware that dpkg is missing?
00:02<chealer>argonel: apt-cache showpkg foo
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00:02<Vi^3PirePengy>hey all
00:04<Vi^3PirePengy>does anyone here know of any security issues with claws-mail 3.4.0-2+b2? i have written the maintainer and have not received a response back
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00:06<Vi^3PirePengy>or should i post this q/a to the freenode server #debian
00:07<argonel>chealer: ahh, cool. thanks :)
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01:24<warthog>anyone home
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02:49<jamesstilwell3rd>can anyone point me to a quick fix for "lost some interrupts ..." issue with stock kernel and vmware-server?
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03:15<jscinoz>I've got a number of both debian and ubuntu systems, just wondering, if i were to replace all the ubuntu systems with debian (leaving the /home partition intact) after reinstalling the equivalent packages it should be pretty similar right? (in terms of per user configuration which is in /home obviously :P)
03:15<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>I'd say so
03:15<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>If you install the same apps
03:16<jscinoz>alright thanks, ill probably switch my eeepc over to debian some time this week then :D
03:16<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>jscinoz: but
03:16<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>jscinoz: some stuff is in Ubuntu but not in Debian
03:16<jscinoz>for example?
03:16<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>I wouldn't know
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03:16<jscinoz>and i can always just manually grab the debs in the rare case they arent there
03:16<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>jscinoz: stuff like X-Chat, Pidgin are in both
03:17<jscinoz>aye, most things are common.
03:17<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>jscinoz: I just copy all my configs from PC to PC heh
03:18<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>jscinoz: but for some software
03:18<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>jscinoz: Some might complain (like if you have setting X and it expects Y, but Y isn't installed yet)
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03:18<jscinoz>shouldnt be too much ofo a problem, ican resolve issue like that pretty easily.
03:19<enouf>jscinoz: see, find info about eeepc
03:19<jscinoz>aye thanks enouf :)
03:20<enouf>wow, bots are offline :-/ ..
03:20<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>enouf: =/
03:20<enouf>hrm, dpkg is alive over on #freenode
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03:20<d00d>Howto connect to VPN pptp connection
03:20<enouf>gah, i mean the network, not the channel
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03:21<enouf>[03:16:00] [dpkg], or, or #debian-eeepc @
03:21<enouf>hehm, there's a channel here for it ;-)
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04:17<MotoHoss>have an old binary that suddenly won't work. <<-any ideas on what I have broken?
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04:19<Nemoder>MotoHoss: the script to start the binary is still there but the binary is not
04:19<MotoHoss>well that's what I thought....
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04:21<MotoHoss>'ls -l' shows it. and 'file' shows it....
04:21<Nemoder>did you try: ls -l /usr/local/bin/food/food
04:22<MotoHoss>yep and it's there...
04:22<Nemoder>open /etc/init.d/food in a text editor and pastebin the output
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04:23<MotoHoss>see the updated
04:24<MotoHoss>I''ll get a paste bin for the init.d in a sec.
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04:28<MotoHoss>here's the init.d -->>
04:30<MotoHoss>it worked one day. then the next day no start. been beating myself up figuring out why and what to do to get it working...
04:30<Nemoder>hmm is there a /var/run/food directory?
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04:34<MotoHoss>Never had a problem with it til the other day. after a reboot it quit working.
04:35<Nemoder>try: start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /var/run/food/food --exec /usr/local/bin/food/food --test
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04:37<MotoHoss>same error... no such file or directory.
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04:38<MotoHoss>It's as important to me to find out why_ as it is to get it working again. I can always pull out the old tools and source and re-build...
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04:39<Nemoder>MotoHoss: try: ldd /usr/local/bin/food/food
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04:40<MotoHoss>same error... hmmm'
04:41<Nemoder>maybe you have some filesystem corruption.. can you copy the file somewhere else?
04:43<MotoHoss>done that.
04:43<MotoHoss>even from a backup.
04:43<Nemoder>try ldd on the copy
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04:44<MotoHoss>not a dynamic executable
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04:45<Nemoder>I thought file said it was..
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04:46<MotoHoss>file reports it as such.
04:46<not4u>wow. people still up...
04:47<MotoHoss>yep. I am on a lsow connection and don't want to reinstall the whole system but I think I am left no choice.
04:48<Nemoder>i'd check for errors in dmesg, maybe run chkrootkit and debsums
04:48<MotoHoss>I didnt' think of ldd before but it did happen after a kernel upgrade so... librarys are off somehow.
04:51<MotoHoss>and that was it! Nemoder thank you.
04:51<Nemoder>ahh missing libs?
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04:52<Nemoder>that's often a problem with non packaged dynamic bins
04:53<Nemoder>but it would be nice if start-stop-daemon printed something like that instead of file not found
04:53<MotoHoss>sure would.
04:54*MotoHoss buys Nemoder his favorite dinner. &<)
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04:56<Nemoder>I've been making some non-distro specific binary releases which requires either building static or shipping the libs with the app and using a wrapper script to add to LD_LIBRARY_PATH
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04:56<Nemoder>but it's always messy
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04:58<MotoHoss>It's been too long since I actually wrote any code and messed with linkers and such. out of practice.
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05:04<jscinoz>if one has an intel cpu but it supports 64bit, do you still use the amd64 iso?
05:04<jscinoz>for installing debian
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05:07<MotoHoss>jscinoz :
05:08<blarson>jscinoz: You can use amd64 or i386 .
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05:08<jscinoz>blarson, i should use amd64 so i can address all 4gb of ram present in my system, this is correct?
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05:10<cspacematrix>i encountered a wired thing in my debian about sound
05:10<trojan>Are you pidaras?
05:10<blarson>jscinoz: There's a bigmem kernel for i686. But single processes can't access all 4gb on 32-bit kernels.
05:11<cspacematrix>i just got this game for linux and i have some issues with it
05:11<trojan>Who pidaras here?
05:11<cspacematrix>when i run it i get this eeor about sound while my sound card is working and i can listen to music
05:11<jscinoz>cspacematrix, what game is this?
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05:12<cspacematrix>oh it's very cool game, urban terror
05:12<jscinoz>blarson, if you cpu supports 64bit, is there any reason NOT to use amd64
05:12<jscinoz>aye i know that game :P
05:12<jscinoz>im the maintainer of it in debain (well at least trying to, waiting for them to set up archive)
05:12<jscinoz>cspacematrix, can you describe the issue in more detail?
05:12<cspacematrix>it runs very smooth on linux which i like it
05:13<cspacematrix>yeah sure
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05:13<cspacematrix>first of all it has 2 binary to run it, one for 64bit and one for 32bit
05:14<trojan>kiss my ass
05:14<komodo>any body uses XFCE on testing?
05:14<blarson>jscinoz: some non-free programs don't work on amd64. And a few free ones as well.
05:14<cspacematrix>when i run 64bit it says /lib/ verion GLIBC-2.4 not founf
05:14<cspacematrix>and doesn't run
05:15<cspacematrix>when i run the 32bit, it works but no sound and says
05:15<trojan>ubuntu rulez
05:15<jscinoz>blarson, isnt the whole thing about x86-64 being a superset of x86 mean that any i386 app *should* run on amd64 provided the 32bit libs are there?
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05:15<jscinoz>cspacematrix, what kernel are you using?
05:15<jscinoz>amd64 or i386?
05:15<cspacematrix>kernel version
05:15<jscinoz>can you just paste the output of uname -r
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05:16<blarson>jscinoz: Yes, but not all libraries are available 32-bit. And switching to a 32-bit browser to run a plugin may be a pain.
05:16<jscinoz>blarson, nspluginwrapper :P
05:17<jscinoz>trojan, ???
05:17<trojan>Who kiss my ass?
05:17<cspacematrix>the sound error is ALSA lib ../../../src/pcm/pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
05:17<jscinoz>cspacematrix, are you using pulseaudio by any chance?
05:17<cspacematrix>jscinoz, what is it?
05:18<jscinoz>cspacematrix, a sound server, if you dont know what it is your probably arent using it :P
05:18<trojan>pulseaudio zalupa
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05:18<cspacematrix>yeah sure
05:18<jscinoz>that was strange...
05:19<jscinoz>cspacematrix, just to test, can you close any other application outputting sound, and then try run urt?
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05:19<cspacematrix>which one for instance?
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05:19<jscinoz>cspacematrix, or you could try some debs of urbanterror i've made they're hosted on Ubuntu's launchpad thing, but they should have no dependencies that are unavailable on debian
05:19<jscinoz>cspacematrix, close any music player, perhaps your web browser
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05:20<cspacematrix>i did close web broswer
05:20<jscinoz>cspacematrix, any luck with the sound now?
05:21<jscinoz>cspacematrix, you're using amd64 correct?
05:21<cspacematrix>my machine is amd64 and so as debian-amd64
05:21<jscinoz>alrighty, try these debs of urbanterror
05:22<jscinoz> and
05:22<jscinoz>the -data one is a large download (750mb)
05:22<jscinoz>ignore the fact they say ubuntu, they should work just the same
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05:22<cspacematrix>but it's too large for me 2 download it
05:22<jscinoz>or if you prefer you could grab the debian ones of the debian-devel-games svn and build them, but i assume you'd prefer not to do that?
05:23<cspacematrix>i like to solve this issue if its possible
05:23<jscinoz>install the package alsa-oss, and try run urbanterror like this: aoss ./urbanterror
05:23<jscinoz>see if that works
05:24<cspacematrix>so i have 2 issue, first if i run the 64bit binary, it says can work with
05:24<cspacematrix>and 32bit have no sound
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05:25<jscinoz>cspacematrix, would you be comfortable compiling urbanterror from source? you wont need to download much as the engine source is quite small
05:25<jscinoz>and its very simple.
05:25<cspacematrix>yeah sure
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05:25<jscinoz>one moment
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05:26<jscinoz>build depends is just libsdl1.2-dev
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05:27<jscinoz>i'll be afk for 10mins (dinner) if you need any help just leave a message here starting with my name and ill see it when i get back
05:28<cspacematrix>ok jscinoz thanks for your help
05:28<cspacematrix>i'll try these things and let u know if it worked
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05:32<jscinoz>im back, cspacematrix good luck on building it :)
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05:33<cspacematrix>thanks dude
05:33<jscinoz>np :)
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06:04<tg4>hi. debian etch contains openoffice version 2.0.4, which is "horribly error-prone and causes a lot of crashes". how can I update to the acutual version 2.4.1?
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06:05<Lethalman>the-dude, you could look for openoffice in the backports
06:05<Lethalman>tg4, was meant to be sent to you
06:06<tg4>thx, already looking there
06:07<Lethalman>haven't you find anything?
06:07<Lethalman>mh might be down now
06:08<tg4>the search is running for 2 minutes already
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06:10<tg4>currently unavailable!
06:10<Lethalman>it doesn't work to me
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06:12<Nemoder>oo2.4 is in Lenny, could upgrade if you don't mind using testing
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06:12<tg4>I don't want to test. I must WORK!
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06:15<Nemoder> there's a mirror
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06:16<Lethalman>tg4, anyway, there's oo2.4 in the backports
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06:16<Lethalman>tg4, just follow the instructions in the backports website and install oo
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06:16<Lethalman>no problem if the search doesn't work, you can still install it
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06:47<bebin>how to get fax as a mail
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06:57<tg4>THANX!!! open office is now running properly
06:57<tg4>(as far as I can say ATM)
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10:04<Zacariaz>Hi, I have for days now, tried to get my monitor working proporly. I have succeded in getting getting both monitors working as an exended desktop, but I am unable to get my monitors running at the correct resolution. Anyone able/willing to help?
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10:07<Zacariaz>could anyone tell me where to go for help?
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10:08<Xenguy>Zacariaz: Hi
10:09<Xenguy>Zacariaz: I can't help with your problem, but there is another debian channel on the freenode IRC network
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10:11<Xenguy>Zacariaz: #debian on
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10:46<Tuplad>hey, I'm using gnome on lenny. when I instert a cd and right click on the icon, I can "copy" the cd to my computer, but can I somehow copy it in avi format instead of just a copy of a couple of gigs ?
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10:50<Tuplad>I guess not :}
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11:04<blubb>is there a possibility to change the grub background via graphical user interface?
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11:22<OdyX>blubb: look for the package "startupmanager"
11:24<blubb>OdyX: i have SUM already installed, but it works not very well
11:24<OdyX>blubb: true
11:24<OdyX>blubb: but it is not that complicated to change the grub background: just link an image in /boot/grub/splashimages/ to /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz and run update-grub
11:25<OdyX>(or something like that
11:25<OdyX>Where is dpkg ?
11:26<blubb>OdyX: ill try it, but there is another irc channel open....
11:27<blubb>OdyX: would that work: ????
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11:28<OdyX>blubb: you _could_ try, but absolutely no garantee (as it is no official package)
11:29<blubb>oh everything ins full of danger .... :O
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12:02<Erik_J>good day! i hear this might be a good place to get some technical advice when one is debian eliterate :)
12:03<Maulkin>Erik_J: that's going in my quotefile
12:04<Erik_J>actually i have run into a slight snag i dont know how to deal with
12:04<Maulkin>(ITYM illiterate)
12:05<dutchy>Erik_J: be specific
12:06<Erik_J>I just installed debian through the regular 600mb CD, and the installer couldnt detect my ethernet card. No probs i thought, i can fiddle with it when i get GUI working. Turns out, that it doesnt work there either. I have set it to DHCP but it wont connect. Also reset router but no success. my debian is internet grounded :(
12:06<Erik_J>i had to resort to ubuntu LIVE CD to get online
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12:06<dutchy>now that makes little sense unless it is some real wierd nic. if Ubuntu can see it, Debian should see it.
12:07<dutchy>maybe just maybe you need lenny though
12:07<Erik_J>Yes, thats what has me stumped
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12:07<dutchy>Lenny = Debian Testing.
12:07<dutchy>for now
12:07<dutchy>it will be hte next Debian Stable
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12:08<Erik_J>its no prob since i havent done anything else on debian other then try to get onliine, so can easily just format and reinstall
12:08<Erik_J>i will give it a try. Thanks for the suggestion :)
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12:11<client>can someone help me with my xorg.conf file? if i have both my monitor (dvi) and tv (svideo) pluged when i restart xserver i loose the input to the monitor
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12:12<client>deskstop setup is set to clone
12:13<dutchy>client: which video driver?
12:14<client>dutchy, sorry should have specifed. fglrx and my video card is a radeon x800
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12:14<dutchy>ouch, sorry can't help with ATI stuff, I gave up on them a couple of years ago
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12:15<dutchy>I could give you an example for my nvidia setup with the dual monitors, but that won't help much
12:15<client>i've gotten as far as getting an image in both but one always has the wrong vertrefresh
12:15<client>but i'm starting over because i totally got lost as to what works and not...
12:16<client>the svideo is causing lots of strange problems... it acts as the default monitor during boot up too... which sucks.
12:16<dutchy>ati has always been a problem for me
12:16<dutchy>that's why I refuse to buy anything from them
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12:17<dutchy>they SAY they will open the drivers, but never do.
12:17<client>yeah, i guess in the future i will check linux support before buying...
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12:18<dutchy>eventually ATI does get the drivers working, sort of.
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12:18<Erik_J>Doesnt linux support most ATI grafic cards? I think theres a name for such general support but cant remember
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12:19<client>i'm sure i'll stumble onto a working config soon... but it will be through blunt force of trying everything....
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12:19<dutchy>yes, but fglrx is not open source so the FOSS crowd cannot examine (and fix) it.
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12:19<client>i've also never gotten a reply in the ati room....
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12:20<ameyer>fglrx also sucks more than (insert something that really sucks)
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12:21<Erik_J>ati grafic equals anti grafic?
12:21<not4u>reboot required after building/adding new module with m-a?
12:22<Gathond>not4u: not generally no
12:22<dutchy>One could hope now that AMD owns ATI they will improve, and AMD has promised to do so, just have not as of yet.
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12:22<Gathond>although you might have to remove the module and reinsert it if you replaced one
12:22<ameyer>dutchy: they actually have improved
12:22<Gathond>dutchy: iirc they have given out the specs of the chips
12:22<ameyer>although, the results may not be showing yet
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12:23<ameyer>and only the newer stuff
12:23<Gathond>dutchy: so its just to download them and start hacking on the free driver:)
12:23<dutchy>specs do help, do doubt
12:23<dutchy>I'll stick with nvidia for now.
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12:23<Gathond>which provides no specs:)
12:23<ameyer>nvidia's worse than ATI
12:23<ameyer>at least ATI's trying
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12:24<Gathond>and has a driver I've given up on, I just use the OSS one and forgets about 3d
12:24<dutchy>last I heard, they couldn't release the drivers because of third party agreements.
12:24<Gathond>at least what works actually works
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12:24<not4u>should a "modprobe" command return a result if the module is installed correctly?
12:24<Gathond>dutchy: probably, probably also why ATI can't
12:24<Gathond>not4u: probably, but I doubt it is any result that shows up on the terminal
12:24<ameyer>but at least ATI gave specs
12:24<dutchy>not4u: no, if all goes well, you get a command prompt
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12:30<Erik_J>a question about the minimal installation ISO
12:30<not4u>tried to run camorama. got an error message that "could not connect to video device (/dev/video0). Please check connection."
12:31<Erik_J>does it only install the minimum and i have to install whatever i want from console, or do i get to chose through the installation screen?
12:31<not4u>i have the gspca module installed. my webcam is supported on this list
12:31<Erik_J>Asking since i just cant get worse with consoles
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12:32<d00d>can anyone help me connecting to VPN on debian
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12:34<chealer>!tell d00d about ask
12:34<chealer>d00d: just ask your question
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12:34<d00d>I am, i dunno where to start for connecting into my PPTP VPN.
12:34<d00d>I have all the information just only used it in win32.
12:36<not4u>tried to run camorama. got an error message that "could not connect to video device (/dev/video0). Please check connection." i have the gspca module installed. my webcam is supported on this list
12:38<themill>[17:38] <dpkg> methinks pptp clients is If you have to connect to a pptp server for your vpn, you can try kvpnc, pptpconfig ( and network-manager-pptp (unofficial packages for etch or dapper are around that work but are not supported here on #debian).
12:38<themill>d00d: ^^
12:39<d00d>I only use dedicated box, not a pptp vpn.
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12:41<dutchy>wow, wouldn't ever suspect to see dpkg mention dapper in anything but a negative light
12:43<jifix__>i can't msg to dpkg
12:43<abrotman>because he's dead
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12:43<abrotman>what information do you need from him?
12:43<jifix__>just to read about etch to lenny
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12:44<abrotman>jifix__: you would replace 'etch' with 'lenny' in your sources.list and `aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade`
12:45<dutchy>easy way? change etch to lenny in /etc/apt/sources.list then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
12:45<abrotman>dutchy: /msg dpkg why aptitude
12:45<abrotman>and in this case .. he really should use aptitude
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12:45<dutchy>yeah, aptitude is better, I agree
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12:46<dutchy>but I use sid, so I am used to apt-get, bad habit, I know.
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12:46<e_gamonal>hi, can anyone confirm that modifying partition sizes with gparted will not erase data?
12:46<jifix__>i already have lenny i just want to read for a new adbise if something change
12:46<abrotman>dutchy: you should use aptitude too
12:46<dutchy>e_gamonal: I can confirm you can resize partitions with gparted and will not lose data
12:46<abrotman>jifix__: something change ?
12:46<e_gamonal>thanks dutchy :)
12:47<abrotman>e_gamonal: you should still backup before trying
12:47<e_gamonal>i always do hehe
12:47<jifix__>everything ok
12:47<dutchy>abrotman: aptitude gets confused here, fast changing libs and all.
12:47<jifix__>i have a problem with iceweasel
12:48<fxiny>must be firebus then :P
12:48<jifix__>after a wild it is becoming a memory hunger
12:48<Reggae__>gsimmons: good day, its me again, btw to install the ralink rt73 wifi, do i need to configure the etc/network/interfaces first or install the compat-wireless then editing the interfaces? im sorry as i forgotten this part of it, as i reformatted my debian again n again....
12:48<abrotman>dutchy: still preferable in most situations .. even in sid
12:48<Reggae__>anyone who know about this may give me a hand too ;-)
12:49<abrotman>jifix__: with flash?
12:49<dutchy>abrotman: yes, but one must use aptitude all the time, or not at all.
12:49<abrotman>jifix__: iceweasel is a known memory hog
12:49<abrotman>dutchy: no
12:49<jifix__>after 1 hour or more of web surfing with no or less flash
12:49<jifix__>i must find an alternative then
12:50<jifix__>what abou epiphany?
12:50<abrotman>same rendering engine
12:50<abrotman>oh .. there is epiphany-webkit now
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12:50<fxiny>i run iceweasel all day , never had such problems
12:51<fxiny>i heard of it
12:51<jifix__>that is this?
12:51<chealer>Reggae__: no
12:51<fxiny>but i keep flash at bay
12:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 366] by debhelper
12:52<jifix__>and i when i close it and open it again it is ok
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12:52<Reggae__>chealer: so i install the raink package 1st then editing the etc/network/interfaces later on?
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12:52<fxiny>you don't need to shut it down : clear the cache or set it up properly
12:52<jifix__>an alternative to iceweasel ?
12:53<e_gamonal>jifix_, firefox 3 is really easy to install
12:53<e_gamonal>and the memory thing has been solved
12:54<abrotman>!info epiphany-webkit lenny
12:54<fxiny>where this memory is supposed to be ? i neveer had problems , is it flash ? so blame yourself
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12:55<fxiny>set a decent cache
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12:55<fxiny>i run firebus3 for fun in etch , is faster only when gmailing digging and sites like those
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12:56<Reggae__>Anyone could help me? should i install a wireless package then edit the etc/network//interfaces later on? or another way around...?
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12:57<jifix__>fxiny: i have 50 MB cache. do you thing this is the problem?
12:57<abrotman>grr .. no bot
12:58<Tuzok>hello, Does anyone here using LVM for root partition? My Etch installation wont boot up ( it ends up on "waiting for root" message ), could you help me?
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12:58<abrotman>ravenbird: info epiphany-webkit lenny
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12:58<ravenbird>epiphany-webkit: (Intuitive GNOME web browser - webkit version), section gnome, is optional. Version: (lenny), Packaged size: 391 kB, Installed size: 1052 kB
12:59<Reggae__>Tuzok: wat arch are u using?
12:59<Tuzok>common i686
12:59<fxiny>jifix__: install noscript , flashblock . seriously i have no problems , play with the cache yes . pII400 224MB mem , i can open up to 12 heavy sites at the time when broswing for news . i get sometimes up to 4.6 load average but is ok
13:00<Reggae__>Tuzok: tod i could help u, if its PPC ;-)....however did u burn wrongly or sumtin? u chose network installation or from cd sets?
13:00<e_gamonal>jifix_, why don't you want firefox 3 ?
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13:01<jifix__>cause the disagreement with debian
13:01<abrotman>e_gamonal: it's not in lenny
13:01<e_gamonal>but it's easy to download an install
13:01<e_gamonal>it's just an executable file
13:01<Tuzok>Reggae__: I had my Etch already installed for year or so, but I changed hard drives and re-created my partitions in Knoppix
13:01<abrotman>e_gamonal: it's not in lenny
13:01<fxiny>i am not a suckzilla fan , suckzilla plays a dirty game with etch users , they got millions on revenue and gthey do not care if etch user cannot easy install firebus3 , i am lobbying since ages for a suckzilla cting to bpo to hel new etch users
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13:01<e_gamonal>abrotman, I use lenny and firefox 3
13:01<abrotman>good for you .. don't mess up his box
13:01<jifix__>but not full open source/free software 100% compatible with debian
13:02<e_gamonal>the only problem is the logo
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13:02<e_gamonal>the code is the same
13:02<jifix__>i know
13:02<abrotman>the logo and the security patching
13:02<Reggae__>Tuzok: ic..that case i had no idea, im a newbie too...;-) hoever anyone could give a hand to Turok? tx...and me as well?
13:02<chealer>Reggae__: which Debian suite do you use?
13:02<fxiny>but i cannot say firefox is dossing my old box
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13:03<jifix__>let's check epiphany/webkit
13:03<jifix__>iceweasel/firefox is great for working and i use it on work
13:04<mjchiphazard>deutsch o(de)r english?
13:04<Tuzok>Reggae__: thanks for support, however I believe you should install your wifi driver first and change /etc/network/interfaces later :-)
13:04<jifix__>but let's see something else
13:04<mjchiphazard>ok i see ;-)
13:04<abrotman>mjchiphazard: there is a #debian-nl with a few people in it
13:04<abrotman>mjchiphazard: or english here
13:04<mjchiphazard>nice to meet you *g*
13:04<abrotman>oh whoops .. german
13:05<abrotman>misread deutsch as dutch
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13:05<mjchiphazard>no i dont read anything till now ... sorry
13:05<Reggae__>Tuzok: hey thanks, that helps alot, sorry if i couldnt help u, wish i could if i had that knowledge...
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13:05<abrotman>mjchiphazard: i think it is
13:06<chealer>Reggae__: yes, if you want to edit interfaces
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13:06<mjchiphazard>ok i will try it. i take the first choise i got so i am here now ;-)
13:06<Tuzok>Reggae__: you're welcome, though I am afraid my question is rather difficult for gurus :-)
13:06<Reggae__>chealer: whats the proper way to edit wlan0 in it? is it auto wlan0 then the nxt line would be "iface wlan0 inet dchp"?
13:07<chealer>Reggae__: it depends on how you want to configure it
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13:07<Reggae__>Tuzok: dun worry theres many pros here, im sure u'll solve it soon, well good luck in sarching one..
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13:07<mjchiphazard>i'm a super newbie rookie and i need really help form specialists hihi
13:08<mjchiphazard>than thanks for your first aid. cu mj
13:08<Reggae__>chealer: ok, mind to take a look at my interface via pastbin later? i need to offline now and update my debian, as i had a connoection only...tx..
13:08<chealer>Reggae__: no. but start by making sure you're able to connect.
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13:09<Reggae__>chealer: u got that rite...
13:09<Reggae__>offlining now.
13:11<Tuzok>Would anyone had idea what could went wrong with LVM root when it ended up on "waiting for root" just after activating correct volume group from initrd?
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13:19<jifix__>epiphany/webkit is really good
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13:21<jifix__>but has some problems
13:21<jifix__>but very good for surfing
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13:36<Fade_To_Black>does anyone know how to get midi to play in debian lenny? Ever since the step to lenny, xmms is out
13:36<Fade_To_Black>are there alternatives?
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13:40<Tuzok>Fade_To_Black, if you're not scared of command line, try this "apt-cache search midi"
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13:41<_ZeuZ_>dpkg is down? :O
13:41<Fade_To_Black>Tuzok, yes I tried them all but none work properly
13:41<chealer>_ZeuZ_: yes.
13:41<Fade_To_Black>Tuzok, xmms was the only one that worked
13:41<prova>w debian test, w debian test, w debian test, w debian test,w debian test,w debian test,w debian test,w debian test,w debian test,w debian test,w debian test,w debian test,w debian test
13:41<Tuzok>Fade_To_Black, that's weird, what soundcard do you have?
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13:42<Fade_To_Black>built in realtek
13:42<_ZeuZ_>prova, wth?
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13:43<prova>bye and w debian
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13:44<_ZeuZ_>That was... weird...
13:44<Tuzok>was that bot?
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13:45<Tuzok>Fade_To_Black, do you have an idea where can be downloaded some MIDI sample?
13:46<Fade_To_Black>I just google them
13:46<Fade_To_Black>and I collected some over the years
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13:48<Fade_To_Black>well now I can get midi to work, but without a GUI frontend
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13:50<Fade_To_Black>the problem is this 'open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory'
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13:53<cahoot>modprobe snd-seq?
13:53<cahoot>modprobe snd-seq-midi perhaps
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13:57<Fade_To_Black>cahoot, that helped indeed, but how come the other older player doesn't need that mod? it played before that
13:57<cahoot>no idea, never dablled with midi
13:58<Tuzok>xmms probably didn't use your soundcards midi output, but use software and output it wave-out (/dev/dsp or such)
13:59<Fade_To_Black>that makes sense
13:59<Fade_To_Black>well the thing is I'm a musician and I need my midi, but now I have command line midi, without any playlist etc
14:00<Fade_To_Black>Well I got at least one step futher
14:00<Fade_To_Black>further *
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14:01<cahoot>Fade_To_Black: could try #lad on freenode
14:01<Fade_To_Black>freenode is an IRCserver?
14:02<Fade_To_Black>I'll give it ashot
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14:05<eftex>hi there
14:05<eftex>does one know howto activate the compiz-effects in knoppix? i allready googled and allready found the compiz-manager
14:06<eftex>and restartet the desktop
14:06<eftex>but it seems not to start?
14:06<abrotman>ask #knoppix on
14:06<eftex>k thx :)
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14:08<Erik_J>Yes! Worked perfectly :D
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14:12<Tuzok>Does anyone know what fstype is initrd.img?
14:14<Gathond>ramfs or cramfs I think
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14:18<Tuzok>how can I mount initrd file? can't get into it... :-(
14:19<weasel>probably a gzip compressed cpio archive
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14:21<Tuzok>weasel, Thanks man! That was it!
14:21<weasel>man file
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14:38<kernel1>hi i need to completely uninstall/remove apache2 (with config files removed) and reinstall
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14:38<kernel1>and I have some problems with this. anyone to help?
14:39<kernel1>i tried apt-get remove --purge and (install after) but no luck
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14:45<valdyn>kernel1: thats the right command, but the wrong package i guess
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14:45<valdyn>kernel1: apache2-common would be right i guess
14:46<kernel1>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
14:46<kernel1>is only available from another source
14:46<kernel1>However the following packages replace it:
14:46<kernel1> apache2.2-common apache2-utils
14:46<kernel1>E: Package apache2-common has no installation candidate
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14:46<kernel1>sorry for the paste
14:46<kernel1>valdyn, what i must do?
14:46<valdyn>kernel1: its apache2.2-common probably, duh
14:46<kernel1>apache2.2-common is already the newest version.
14:47<kernel1>remove and reinstall?
14:48<dondelelcaro>kernel1: what exactly are you trying to do?
14:48<dondelelcaro>(IE, why would you need to reinstall that package?)
14:48<kernel1>to reinstall apache2 because I have removed apache2 folder
14:48<kernel1>cause I had a problem (conflict) with phpmyadmin
14:49<kernel1>I got the folder
14:49<kernel1>but it says this:
14:49<kernel1>Module authn_file installed; run /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload to enable.
14:49<kernel1>/etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload
14:49<kernel1>No apache MPM package installed
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14:49<dondelelcaro>kernel1: that means you haven't installed apache2-mpm-worker; or similar.
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14:50<kernel1>what I must do to install (re-isntall) all apache2 depencies?
14:50<kernel1>i have another one prob
14:50<kernel1>When I type: localhost/phpmyadmin
14:51<kernel1>apache shows download window to download index.php
14:51<kernel1>its a handler prob?
14:51<dondelelcaro>!php wants me to download still
14:51<dpkg>Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verified that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at (Apache 1.x).
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14:54<renginez>Good day everybody, i need to know what is the command in terminal to detect a specific usb name and model? need serious help (sorry for bad english) thanks...
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14:59<chealer>renginez: did you try lsusb?
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15:01<chealer>renginez: if that doesn't do what you want, I don't understand your question.
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15:10<renginez>chealer: hi again, i had this problem where, i need to get my wifi usb to work, yesterday b4 i reformatted debian, it was working...and i am aware that it showed its brand and model name of the usb wifi when i type "lsusb" but when today i tried to get it work, it just couldnt work...(followed the same steps of how i install my drivers), however i realize the diffrence is, when i type "lsusb" it only show dlink (brand name, no model
15:10<renginez>adn stuffs) conclusion is, mayb its not working as it could not detect the exact model and make it fully functioning....(as i said sorry for my bad english, im no local)...tx.
15:11<joo>trying to install a few games from .deb packages. It states that libc6 dependency is not satisfied. SO i go to terminal and apt-get install libc6, only to find out that i have the latest version in my repository. Any help? Amd64, etch.
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15:14<valdyn>joo: why dont you just give us command and output?
15:14<chealer>renginez: which Debian suite did you install?
15:14<renginez>chealer: debian suite? u mean like etch, sarge, and lenny?
15:14<joo>valdyn, Of what? attempting to get the libc6? Or of trying to se gdebi package installe to install the .deb file?
15:15<valdyn>joo: of installing the package
15:15<chealer>renginez: yes
15:16<joo>.. i double click it to open it. It says ; error: dependency is not satisfiable: libc6. Dont go through terminal so there isnt a command line for it.
15:16<renginez>chealer: im using etch 4.0
15:16<valdyn>joo: then go to the terminal and run "dpkg -i file.deb"
15:16<valdyn>joo: and paste command and output on a paste site
15:17<chealer>renginez: hum. could you provide the output of # lsusb
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15:18<joo>apparently it states that my version of libc6 is .4 out of date. but its the latest on the repository
15:18<valdyn>joo: is that game not in debian?
15:19<valdyn>joo: its compiled against a newer libc6, which means you need to recompile it or get a deb that is compiled against an older libc6
15:19<joo>that IS a shame. Ah well, ill look for an older version nw then
15:19<renginez>chealer:ok hold on, im attaching to it..
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15:25<renginez>chealer: here is it (Bus 002 Device 001:ID 0000:0000)
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15:25<renginez>(Bus 001 Device 004:07d1:3c07 Dlink System
15:25<renginez>Bus 001 Device 001 :0000:0000
15:27<joo>Right, this may sound silly. But i downloaded the crossfire client and installed it. .. Only probem is, i cannot FIND it! ive tried terminal 'locate crossfire'. Its not in any dropdown menus. Is very wierd..
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15:33<chealer>renginez: that's the only thing you have in the output?
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15:37<renginez>chealer: yes...btw im using an ibook g3
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15:38<renginez>chealer: i got better pics, hold on...
15:38<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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15:40<chealer>renginez: sorry, I'm a bit busy. did you run lsusb as root?
15:40<renginez>chealer: yes
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15:43<fenix>quem ta ai
15:43<chealer>renginez: is it a "real" USB device (plugged in a USB port)?
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15:44<renginez>chealer: yes
15:44<fenix>I AM BRAZILIAN?
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15:46<chealer>renginez: was the system running Debian 4 before you reinstalled?
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15:53<renginez>chealer: yes its the same thing i used previously...
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15:58<chealer>renginez: what happens in dmesg when you unplug and replug the device?
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15:59<renginez>Btw, is there any other pastebin for screenshot besides ?
15:59<renginez>dun seem to open it...
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16:02<renginez>chealer: i got a weird line from the lowest, it says requiring rt25xxlib firmware, ERROR: Failed to request firmware....n yes i think it is related to my wifi, as it uses ralink chipset....
16:02<renginez>but i install the same thing, how could it act like that, is it im missing some lib files or what?
16:03<renginez>chealer: msg me 1 min later....
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16:04<chealer>renginez: hum, I don't see why the card wouldn't show is lsusb just because of that. I'm afraid I have no idea and have to go anyway.
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16:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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16:23<lucas_amorim>hello! Every time I boot up my system I have to run as root "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" in order that some sound applications work. How do I avoid this work everytime I boot?
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16:23<lucas_amorim>Debina lenny
16:24<lucas_amorim>Is there a list of modules to be probed every boot so I could insert snd-pcm-oss to it?
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16:36<not4u>hi. could anyone recommend an easy to configure firewall application? i need something with a gui.
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16:37<abrotman>apt-cache search firewall gui
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16:42<not4u>and an application to view freespace on disks?
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16:45<Lethalman>not4u, gtkdiskfree
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16:45<Lethalman>not4u, or do you have one under Applications->System tools
16:45<mefisto>i have a little problem, i got debian and i cant mount data cd because: mount: unknown filesystem type 'cd9660'
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16:45<Lethalman>which is baobab
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16:47<dutchy>mefisto: try iso9660
16:47<dutchy>not4u: free space as in what the df command gives?
16:48<mefisto>ok.. i'll try it..
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16:51<Cyorxamp>Lo, I'm after a web application (free or open source) to help me track donations and expenditure for my project - anyone know something like this?
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16:58<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>.
16:59<mefisto>oh.. what is wrong: mefissto-debian:/# mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /home/mefisto/Desktop/CD
16:59<mefisto>mount: block device /dev/hda is write-protected, mounting read-only
16:59<mefisto>mount: /dev/hda already mounted or /home/mefisto/Desktop/CD busy
16:59<mefisto>mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda is mounted on /media/cdrom0
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17:00<mefisto>mefissto-debian:/# mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /home/mefisto/Desktop/CD
17:00<mefisto>mount: block device /dev/hda is write-protected, mounting read-only
17:00<mefisto>mount: /dev/hda already mounted or /home/mefisto/Desktop/CD busy
17:00<mefisto>mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda is mounted on /media/cdrom0
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17:01<_ZeuZ_>that guy does never understand
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17:02<chealer>!tell _ZeuZ_ about msg the bot
17:03<_ZeuZ_>chealer, I know... sorry
17:03<_ZeuZ_>I was too lazzy xD
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17:12<e_gamonal>hi, i'd like to resize my partitions. I've only got 1 hard disk, and its partitions aren't LVM
17:12<e_gamonal>can i do it without any live CD?
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17:16<chealer>e_gamonal: depends on which partitions you want to resize
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17:16<e_gamonal>well, i've got "/", "swap" and "/home", and I want my "/" bigger, so "/home" must have a lower size
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17:19<e_gamonal>bonsoir marc059
17:20<marc059>bsr e_gamonal
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17:21<marc059>j'ai un eeepc 701, avec un problème de connexion Wifi et wpa_supplicant en utilisant le driver madwifi ?
17:21<e_gamonal>wops, attandez hehe je parle un peu de français, mais je suis catalan et ne le parle si bien comme per t'aider
17:21<e_gamonal>je crois qu'il y a un channel debian en français
17:22<e_gamonal>ici toute la salle parle en l'anglais
17:22<marc059>oops désolé.
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17:22<e_gamonal>tu parles pas l'anglais?
17:22<marc059>Merci pour ton info.
17:23<e_gamonal>de rien :)
17:23<marc059>je parle pas asser bien l'anglais pour expliquer mon problème.
17:23<marc059>Bonne soirée.
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17:24<e_gamonal>tu connais la salle de Debian en français?
17:25<marc059>non, mais je vais chercher :)
17:25<e_gamonal>bon! ;D
17:25<marc059>Ok, merci et A+
17:25<titux77>good bye
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17:30<dwon>It's awfully quiet for a Sunday
17:31<dwon>I feel like I should start trolling, just to maintain the tradition.
17:33<e_gamonal>hey, i've still got problems with partitions :P
17:34<dwon>uh, ahem... I'm having this problem with Ubuntu. debian is pointless unless you all kiss my bottom and solve my problems for me. what is google? unsubscribe.
17:34<dwon>e_gamonal: how many partitions are on your machine?
17:34<dwon>s/machine/hard drive/
17:34<e_gamonal>maintaining tradition :p
17:35<e_gamonal>shall I paste fdisk -l ?
17:35<dwon>wait no
17:35<e_gamonal> , mauybe?
17:35<dwon>wtf: "Cannot join to channel #flood (You must be invited)"
17:35<dwon>e_gamonal: yeag
17:35<dwon>e_gamonal: yeah
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17:36<e_gamonal>i can't remember if windows is installed here
17:37<dwon>e_gamonal: you really should _have_ a bootable CD, in any case, in case you make your system non-bootable
17:38<e_gamonal>is it ok debian installer cd ?
17:38<dwon>e_gamonal: you can usually resize a filesystem, provided that you can unmount it, and that you pay attention to the fact that the size of a *filesystem* andthe size of a *partition* are two different things
17:38<e_gamonal>yep, i read something like that in man fdisk
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17:38<dwon>in your case, you could resize /home without using a live cd, but / would be out of the question
17:38<e_gamonal>but it was about mounting and umounting, not about resizing or modifying partitions
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17:40<e_gamonal>may i work it out using a live cd to resize all partitions, then?
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17:41<dwon>e_gamonal: I'd probably use a cd with "parted" (console) or "qtparted" (gui) on it, and use that program's resize function.
17:41<dwon>e_gamonal: but first make a backup of your important data, because you _can_ screw this up and hose your data, especially if you don't know what you're doing
17:41<e_gamonal>i already made a backup, in case something goeswrong
17:41<e_gamonal>that's it :)
17:42<e_gamonal>a bootable linux cd is a live cd?
17:42<dwon>yeah, basically
17:42<dwon>I tend to use knoppix
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17:43<dwon>but with knoppix you have to make sure to run "swapoff -a" and make sure it hasn't mounted anything
17:43<dwon>since it tries to do so automatically to be helpful
17:43<vyrus001>im looking for the best way possible to run several virtualbox servers from a distributed computing enviornment, anybody have a good way to do this?
17:43<dwon>you run "sudo -s" in knoppix to get a root prompt
17:44<e_gamonal>i think i still have an ubuntu live cd
17:45<e_gamonal>i'll try to do it
17:45<e_gamonal>thanks a lot :)
17:45<dwon>no problem. good luck
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18:01<Rodicio>of topic: Campeooooooones (We are the champions)
18:03<abrotman>Rodicio: /join #debian-offtopic
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18:14<Compaq64>someone helps me to find these libraries and installs
18:14<kerz>are they not on the debian repos?
18:15<kerz>compaq just download GCC
18:16<themill>Compaq64: why not just install the debian package for blackbox?
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18:16<kerz>heh thats easier... :)
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18:18<Compaq64>gcc already installed several times and the same mistake
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18:29<TimFreeman>How can I set up Debian Etch to display Chinese correctly? The web pages I've found via Goole so far talk about Sarge, and it's not clear how to translate that information to work with Etch.
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18:39<astronut>what do people think would happen if i plugged 120v ac into a hard drive?
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18:40<ameyer>astronut: at a minimum, dead hard drive
18:40<themill>All the magic smoke would come out.
18:40<ameyer>astronut: I wouldn't do it if I were you
18:41<astronut>ameyer: well, i want to kill a hard drive in a spiteful way
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18:41<ameyer>astronut: I wouldn't be surprised if it caught on fire
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18:41<abrotman>ameyer: it's a DC device isn't it ?
18:41<ameyer>to be honest, no clue
18:42<abrotman>erm .. sorry .. for astronut :)
18:42<ameyer>I'd guess so, but *shrug*
18:42<abrotman>it's internal right ?
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18:45<astronut>abrotman: yes
18:45<astronut>ameyer: that would be a welcome outcome
18:45<abrotman>what happens when you plug any DC device into AC ?
18:45<astronut>the question is how big of a pop and what kind of fire, etc
18:45<ameyer>astronut: not if it destroyed other stuff, I assume
18:46<astronut>ameyer: huh?
18:46<astronut>ameyer: i'd do it in a safe way (with a circut breaker, in a controlled setting) of course
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18:47<tja>someone here?
18:47<dwon>astronut: circuit breakers won't prevent you from electrocuting yourself. they typically break at like 15 amps. something like 0.5 amps through your heart is enough to kill you
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18:48*themill fails to see how this is related to debian...
18:48*abrotman doesn't think the drive will even turn on
18:48<tja>how do I define the environment variable DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS inside debian/rules. the problem is that the package must be build on an automated build system which does not set the env. var. inside the command line
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18:49<astronut>dwon: ... it's so i can cut power...
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18:49<ameyer>astronut: if, hypothetically speaking, your HD burst into flames and burned down your home, you'd be upset, right
18:49<astronut>themill: the drive contained a windows server 2003 install that was superseeded by a debian server
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18:49<astronut>ameyer: yes, of course
18:49<astronut>i'd do it in a safe area of course
18:49*ameyer isn't sure that an explosion isn't entirely out of the question
18:50<themill>astronut: #hardware then
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18:50<ameyer>I'm thinking HD debris could potentially be fatal if it hit you hard enough in the wrong place
18:50<astronut>ameyer: explosion? how?
18:50<astronut>explosion requires explosives
18:51<astronut>i'm thinking more of a meltdown high temp fire if i'm lucky
18:51<astronut>smoke if i'm not
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18:51<ameyer>well, not so much of an explosion as a disintegration with flying debris
18:51<astronut>themill: no such channel
18:51<astronut>ameyer: i find that unlikely
18:51<astronut>ameyer: maybe i should film it so as to upload to youtube
18:51<ameyer>but that wouldn't be particularly likely, I wouldn't think
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18:52<dwon>astronut: if you have to ask #debian what would happen if you zapped a hard drive with 120VAC mains power, then you aren't qualified to assess the likelihood of an explosion
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18:52<themill>astronut: well there's ##hardware on freenode then. Seriously, this is not on-topic for #debian.
18:52<astronut>dwon: i have an idea of the scale of posibility
18:52<astronut>themill: ok
18:52<ameyer>"Results 1 - 10 of about 136,000 for 120 volt hard drive explosion."
18:53<astronut>tja: just define it like any other env. var. in a make file
18:53<astronut>ameyer: did you read any of those?
18:54<astronut>they're not very relevant results
18:55<tja>@astronaut. DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS := with-javahl this is simply ignored (compiling with debuild)
18:55<ravenbird>okay, tja
18:55<astronut>tja: NUT
18:55<themill>ravenbird: forget astronaut. DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS := with-javahl this
18:55<ravenbird>i forgot astronaut. deb_build_options := with-javahl this, themill
18:56<astronut>oh, is ravenbird a bot?
18:56<themill>ravenbird: bot
18:56<ravenbird>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
18:56<not4u>cant figure out how to allow internet access through tor in my firewall. debian + guarddog
18:57<not4u>does that make sense?
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18:57<astronut>is ravenbird the new dpkg?
18:57<themill>simonrvn: ever considered changing ravenbird's trigger from @ to something else....
18:57*astronut hasn't had time to hang out in here in a while
18:57<themill>astronut: no, ravenbird is a backup bot that has some useful powerpc stuff on it too. It's mostly quite out of date, actually.
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18:58<simonrvn>themill: like what?
18:58<astronut>ah, ok
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18:59<themill>simonrvn: : and , are both free... & ` hell, there's a lot of punctuation to choose from :)
18:59<tja>any ideas about my problem?
18:59<themill>simonrvn: your pet hate of @ is becoming my pet hate too...
18:59<dwon>people will screw up with any prefix
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19:00<Lethalman>#stSymbol :)
19:00<dwon>☀ <-- you could use unicode prefixes
19:01<ravenbird>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
19:01<themill>simonrvn: we'll see if that's any better :)
19:01<dwon>& cetera
19:01<simonrvn>help any? :)
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19:02<themill>& beer simonrvn
19:02*ravenbird pulls simonrvn a tank of draught Eki
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19:03<simonrvn>(don't drink, but ty nonetheless)
19:03<tja>how do I set DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS corretcly inside debian/rules so it is not being ignored
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19:04<themill>tja: packages generally should not need that set in order to build
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19:06<tja>@themill: I know. but as I have described above I have a package that needs it to build correctly (or better to say: as I want it to build). now the package should be build using an automated build system which does not set the env.var itself in the command line
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19:08<tja>and don't tell it is impossible. in debians brilliant packaging system everything is possible
19:08<themill>tja: what are you trying to set?
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19:08<simonrvn>this isn't some blog or web forum...
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19:09<tja>@themill: as I said. DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS = with-javahl
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19:11<themill>tja: you have no idea how little that helps me. What is that supposed to do? What package is this for? Why are you trying to do this? Your local wireless connection is interfering with my ESP-over-ethernet tools.
19:11<astronut>tja: if you're modifying the rules, why not just call it explicitly rather than addidng it in?
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19:13<tja>ok. I try to compile subversion 1.5.0 with JavaHL support (needed by subclipse). to compile javahl support DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS must contain with-javahl.
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19:14<tja>@astronut: as I said (the third time). the package is not build on my system. it is build on an automated build system. I have no influence on how the debian/rules is called. everything I need must be done tzere
19:14<themill>tja: but you can edit debian/rules
19:15<tja>@themill: yes. exactly that is what I do
19:15<astronut>tja: debian rules calls whatever
19:15<themill>tja: leave off the @ ffs.
19:15<astronut>so just modify debian rules to do it instead of parsing the options
19:15<themill>tja: so if you're editing debian/rules, there is no need to pass in options...
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19:16<tja>themill: but debian/rules parses this options. so why not simply set this env.var. to letdebian/rules make its job?
19:17<themill>tja: except you have said that you can't set the environment variable for some reason
19:18<tja>themill: as I am not very familiar with debian/rules syntax I thought I just tried it wrong. but nothing worked so far.
19:18<tja>what is wrong with: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS := with-javahl ?
19:20<themill>tja: btw why on earth are you playing with packages out of experimental....
19:20<tja>debian/rules just parses this options:
19:21<tja>themill: it is just a test. and my question is general. not related to this particular package.
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19:23<argonel>is there a way to tell apt-cache to only show packages from one repo?
19:24<themill>the reason that syntax doesn't work is that you're not setting an environment variable with that, you're setting a Makefile variable. Exporting the variable so that subshells can see it should work. But you really should fix your builder here. There's no point in having a external configuration tool liek DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS if you can't use it and have to hack at debian/rules itself all the time.
19:26<tja>so setting this env.var simply is impossible? would have been the easiest solution. instead of calling debian/rules with DEB_BUILD... I just define this env.var inside debian/rules
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19:29<renginez>Anyone here know why lenny doesnt have iwconfig? i couldnt get my wifi working without it,,,
19:29<abrotman>it does have it
19:30<abrotman>!info wireless-tools lenny
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19:30<dpkg>wireless-tools: (Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions), section net, is optional. Version: 29-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 256 kB
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19:32<themill>tja: I just told you how to set the environment variable inside the debian/rules; you have to export the variable not just set it.
19:33<tja>themill: and how do I do that?
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19:34<themill>tja: there are other examples in that same makefile. I've even told you the magic word "export". If you're going to futz around with building packages, you really need to get on top of the basic Makefile syntax; there are plenty of tutorials on the web about the syntax of Makefiles.
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19:42<tja>themill: I see. because environment variables are only inherited from parent to child processes there is no possibility to set DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS inside the makefile for the whole makefile as an environment variable
19:44<themill>tja: the way the options are parsed inside that makefile, you should be able to set them at the top of the makefile and have them work.
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19:46<tja>themill: why is that? the options are parsed using "$$DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS" and not "${DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS}"
19:47<themill>tja: check the makefile syntax for getting $ in a command.
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19:55<chameleon>can some one help me install flashplayer plugin pls
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19:59<themill>!adobe flash
19:59<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see; use the one from (ask me about <non-free> <bpo><adobe flash testing>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see
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20:03<chealer>chameleon: just ask your question
20:04<chameleon>how do i get flashplayer plugin working on iceweasel
20:04<chameleon>or iceape
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20:06<mike_>chameleon: It will prompt you for it
20:07<chameleon>well it didnt
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20:07<mike_>chameleon: Go to a site like "minicliop"
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20:08<renginez>does anyone know whats the iwconfig file to download? i type iwconfig at terminal in debian lenny and i get, command not found? so it must be missing...
20:08<zem>wireless tools
20:09<chameleon>ya that didnt work
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20:10<renginez>zem, astronut: u mea i should "apt-get install wireless-tools?
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20:10<astronut>renginez: it's in sbin, it's probably not in your path
20:10<zem>renginez: yes
20:10<chameleon>unknowen plugin (application/x-shockwave-flash
20:10<renginez>ok ill offline for wile..
20:11<zem>renginez: or try the astronuts way
20:12<zem>i have a little problem too, my debian sees only 906mb of 2gb of ram i have
20:12<zem>grub sees all of it so i don't think it's hardware
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20:13<argonel>how do you know debian only sees 906?
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20:13<zem>system->preferences->system profiler and benchmark
20:14<zem>and system monitor too
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20:14<zem>only that system monitor claims only 885.2mb
20:14<GoinEasy9>hello all...just installed lenny, but want to keep my testing system as testing, should i change the sources from lenny/updates to testing?
20:16<zem>lenny is testing afaik
20:16<GoinEasy9>won't there be a testing when lenny becomes stable?
20:16<chameleon>apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree that command dont work
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20:18<argonel>zem: what does `free -m` show in the total column?
20:18<blarson>GoinEasy9: Yes, if you want to keep with testing when lenny is released, change lenny to testing in your sources.list .
20:18<GoinEasy9>thank you blarson
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20:19<themill>zem: what kernel are you using? uname -r
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20:20<zem>it's debian lenny
20:20<argonel>zem: is grub passing a mem option to the kernel?
20:20<themill>zem: change that for a -686 kernel and you should see all your memory
20:21<zem>how do i do that?
20:21<zem>argonel: nope
20:21<themill>zem: same way you installed that kernel.... aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-1-686
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20:23<argonel>ahh, cool. i did not know about that :)
20:23<zem>thank you
20:23<zem>i didn't install that one manualy
20:24<themill>zem: or as abrotman just suggested, you could install the 2.6-686 metapackage which will automatically keep you up to date with kernel upgrades.
20:24<tja>themill: I have no idea what you are talking about.
20:25<themill>tja: I'm off to bed now... you're going to have to learn about makefile syntax yourself.
20:25<zem>oh, great, i'll do that
20:27<tja>themill: I am reading the makefile syntax. but I have no clue how to define that env.var.
20:27<abrotman>tja: you should find a channel for creating makefiles .. this one is for debian support
20:28<tja>abrotman: ok. thank you
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20:29<argonel>ok tja, i won't be nice and paste you a link to the gnu make manual.
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20:29<chameleon>ya iam haveing no luck with the flashplayer plugin :(
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20:31<themill>chameleon: are you running i386 or amd64?
20:31<chealer>!tell chameleon about doesn't work
20:32<themill>chameleon: etch?
20:32<chameleon>i dont think so
20:32<not4u>can i change what information is returned from a port if a nmap scan is run against my system?
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20:36<chameleon>themill can you help me pls
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20:40<dpkg>nspluginwrapper is, like, a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with <Adobe Flash> and a few others. Debian packages are in the <contrib> archive for lenny and later; ask me about <> for etch packages.
20:41<chameleon>ya the cammand is not working
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20:44<argonel>why are the linux-image-k7 and friends "for transition only"?
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20:47<abrotman>!k7 dropped
20:47<dpkg>i guess k7 dropped is
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21:06<renginez>Good day, people....i would like to ask, whats the latest etch libnl version? is it possible to get libnl1.1 for etch?
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21:14<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See
21:15<jamuraa>can anyone tell me what this means? 'Add to gnome-session-properties to enable every session.'
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21:15<jamuraa>I'm trying to get right-click and middle-click to work on my MacBook after relogging in
21:17<argonel>seems to me it means exactly what it says
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21:19<jamuraa>yea but I don't know where that is - there's no gnome-session-properties file other than the binary which doesn't seem to save keycodes
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21:19<argonel>gnome-session-properties is an application
21:19<renginez>i had search the google...otherwise i wouldnt ask here...
21:21<jamuraa>argonel: ah, so I add them as startup applications?
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21:21<argonel>jamuraa: that i don't know, i'm not a gnome user. isn't there a session options section of gnome-session-properties?
21:21<blarson>renginez: check . You may also ask dpkg about backports.
21:22<jamuraa>argonel: not really. I'm not normally a gnome user either, but they have nice wireless configuration so I thought I'd give it a shot.
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21:22<argonel>jamuraa: a quick google search causes me to differ:
21:22<jamuraa>argonel: and there is a "Session Options", but it doesn't do anything except save the currently running applications
21:23<argonel>jamuraa: perhaps this would be better answered in a gnome-specific channel?
21:24<jamuraa>yea, was just wondering because it was on the debian wiki. I think I got it though, they want me to add it to the started programs like it was in .xsession
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21:34<renginez>good day, how to i remove packages network-manager and network-manager-gnome from the terminal? what command should i use? newbie here...?
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21:36<redhat>hello ninjaman
21:38<NinjaMan>hi redhat
21:39<redhat>how are you ninja
21:39<NinjaMan>I am great thanks, how are you?
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21:41<zem>renginez: use aptitude?
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21:44<blarson>renginez: apt-get remove network-manager network-manager-gnome
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21:57<renginez>blarson: tx...but its i got my wifi worked at last....tx
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22:38<vyrus001>how do i set an ethernet adapter to boot up with a static ip using my network interfaces file?
22:39<Pryon>man interfaces has an example
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22:46<vyrus001>Pryon: i call myself doing that and its not working
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22:47<Pryon>can you paste your interfaces file to a pastebin? Change the IP address if you're worried
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22:49<vyrus001>the line in question is...
22:50<vyrus001>iface eth0 inet static
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22:50<vyrus001>thts all
22:50<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
22:50<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
22:50<abrotman>!tell renginez02 about msg the bot
22:51<vyrus001>heh i was gona laugh at the first one, technicly i only "pasted" 2 lines'
22:51<renginez02>btw wats the pastebin officially came from debian?
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22:51<renginez02>got it
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22:52<Pryon>vyrus001: Do you get some kind of error message when you attempt to bring up eth0?
22:53<vyrus001>oh await
22:54<vyrus001>hah ok hang on i think iwas just being a numb and not r'ing tfm
22:54<vyrus001>Pryon: heh got it... thnx :D
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23:11<tja>sorry but I still have some problems with defining DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS inside of debian/rules. this is how the file is parsed:
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23:11<tja>and this is how I define it: $(shell echo '$$')DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS = "with-javahl"
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23:20<LostPlanet>anyone here ?
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23:24<SuperDale>more than likely
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23:30<Guest2779>what's ur name_
23:30<LostPlanet>me ?
23:30<LostPlanet>gotta go to bed. back later.
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23:31<westk>whois westk
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23:32<SuperDale>you are
23:32<chameleon>pls help with flashplayer plugin pls
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23:32<Guest2779>download it
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23:33<Guest2779>the flashplayer is in ..
23:33<chameleon>i have but dont know how to install it and the commands are not working for me
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23:33<westk>SuperDale: I remember Grapevine when it was just a little town out in the boonies.
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23:34<Guest2779>ches gringos jaja
23:34<chameleon>can someone walk me through pls
23:35<SuperDale>chameleon: have you updated your sources list per
23:35<westk>chameleon, r u using iceweasel?
23:35<vyrus001>how can i troubleshoot a kernel that locks up on boot?
23:35<chameleon>yes iceweasel
23:36<Guest2779>i love me
23:36<westk>after downloading flashplayer.tgz, unpack it with tar -xvzf flashplayer.tgz
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23:36<westk>then cd into the newly created flashplayer directory, and run ./flashplayer-install
23:36<westk>it'll ask where to install, and you'll reply with /usr/lib/iceweasel
23:37<westk>When the installation is done, you should be able to type about:plugins in your iceweasel address bar and see flash listed.
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23:37<chameleon>umm there is a folder called firefox
23:37<westk>instead of /usr/lib/iceweasel, it's /usr/lib/firefox ?
23:38<chameleon>there is both
23:38<westk>you can install it in both; the installation will ask if you want to do another installation; just say yes, and then type in the second path
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23:40<chameleon>where do i put tar -xvzf flashplayer.tgz
23:40<chameleon>and do i have to be in the folder where it is downloaded
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23:41<westk>i usually drop it in a temp folder in my home folder --> ~/tmp
23:41<westk>yes, cd ~/tmp, then unpack it from there
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23:48<westk>anyone know how to get around the compile issues of virtualbox-ose-guest-modules on a linux-image-2.6.25-amd64 system?
23:48<chameleon>umm the file is on my desktop
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23:48<westk>ok; open a terminal window. then, "mkdir tmp", "cd tmp", "mv ../Desktop/flash* ."
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23:49<westk>then "tar -xvzf flash[TABkey]"
23:49<westk>then "cd flashplayer-install" (I think will be the name of the directory)
23:49<westk>then "sudo ./flashplayer-installer" (I think is the name of the installer file)
23:50<chameleon>tar: flash[TABkey]: Cannot open: No such file or directory
23:50<renginez02>Good day people, can anybody tell me whats the command to get the basic modules? besides modules-assistant? im newbie...tx
23:51<westk>I mean, type in "flash" and then hit the TAB key. This causes the rest of the filename to be filled in automagically.
23:51<westk>rengine: what "basic modules"?
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23:51<westk>most modules are already pre-compiled and available for your kernel.
23:51<chealer>westk: just ask your question
23:52<westk>Most modules will be automatically detected and installed, but you can manually install them with modprobe or modconf
23:52<chameleon>ya tab kep make a beep noise
23:53<chameleon>install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz<<<name of cropressed file
23:53<westk>chame: that means there is more than one possibility; hit the TAB key again, and it'll list the possibilities; type in enough more characters to solve the ambiguity.
23:54<chameleon>all it does is make noise
23:54<westk>cham: okay, tar -xvfz install_flashplayer_9_linux.tar.gz
23:54<renginez02>westk: modconf? modprobe? heard abit bout that, mind telling me some command using either both modprobe or modconf? i just need a basic modules....wanna make sure it has it all on my lenny.. tx
23:55<westk>rengine: modconf may not be installed by default (I think it may even be deprecated), so install it first with "aptitude install modconf"
23:55<westk>then run it with "modconf"; it's a pick-and-choose menu-driven tool
23:56<westk>chealer: i get "can't found" errors during the compile process; stand by and I'll go get a specific error message.
23:57<westk>/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.25-2-amd64/scripts/gcc-x86_64-has-stack-protec â
23:57<westk> â No such file or directory
23:57<westk>and ...
23:57<westk>grep: /usr/src/modules/virtualbox-ose-guest/include/linux/version.h: No â
23:57<westk> â such file or directory
23:57<chameleon>iam sorry but iam haveing no luck
23:57<westk>(ignore the funny 'a's and the linebreaks
23:57<westk>cham: what's the error message now?
23:58<westk>chealer: and several other similar errors
23:59<chameleon>i cant get into the directory
23:59<vyrus001>my kernal is locking up on the line "apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x0b (Driver version 1.16ac)", what causes this?
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23:59<westk>cham: what's the result of "pwd"
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