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00:00<westk>Yes, just type in "pwd"
00:00<chealer>westk: please use a pastebin
00:01<chealer>westk: you can use nickname completion with the "tab" key
00:01<westk>It should tell you what directory you're currently sitting in
00:01<westk>sorry; don't know "pastebin"
00:01<westk>cham: now, "cd tmp"
00:01<westk>oh, cool. thanx!
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00:02<westk>chameleon: now if you do "pwd", it should say "/home/chameleon/tmp"
00:02<chameleon>nope now it just says /tmp#
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00:03<westk>Ah, you're typing in "cd /tmp" instead of "cd tmp" (most likely)
00:03<westk>"cd ~/tmp" should get you where you're going
00:03<westk>(this assumes you've created the 'tmp' directory as instructed earlier)
00:03<chameleon>bash: cd: tmp: No such file or directory
00:04<_ZeuZ_>any idea where can I get flex 2.5.4a ?
00:04<westk>(if not, "mkdir ~/tmp", then "cd ~/tmp", then "mv ../Desktop/flash* ."
00:05<westk>chameleon: okay, as you're learning, *nix expects you to be exact in what you type. So, one command at a time -->
00:05<westk>chameleon: "cd"
00:05<westk>chameleon: this will change you into your home directory
00:05<westk>chameleon: "mkdir tmp"
00:05<westk>chameleon: this will make a directory called 'tmp' in your home directory
00:06<westk>chameleon: "cd tmp"
00:06<westk>chameleon: this will change you into the /home/chameleon/tmp directory
00:06<westk>chameleon: "mv ../Desktop/flash* ."
00:06<_ZeuZ_>gsimmons, thanks, now I'm looking after yacc
00:07<westk>chameleon: this will move the flash[blah].tgz file into your /home/chameleon/tmp directory
00:07<westk>chameleon: "ls"
00:07<renginez02>Btw, does anybody here know why my "rutilt" that is installed on my lenny debian will disconnect itself sometimes? (its a wifi utility)
00:07<westk>chameleon: this will list the contents of the directory you're in (currently /home/chameleon/tmp -- you can verify that you're in this directory with the "pwd" command
00:07<_ZeuZ_>nvm, found it
00:07<westk>chameleon: everything okay so far?
00:07<chameleon>mv: missing destination file operand after `../Desktop/flash'
00:07<chameleon>Try `mv --help' for more information
00:08<westk>chameleon: notice the space and the dot in the quoted command above? that means copy the file to the current directory
00:08<westk>chameleon: you left off the space and dot, so the mv command didn't know where it was supposed to move the file, so it gave you the "missing operand" error
00:09<chameleon>MSI:/home/chameleon/tmp# mv ../Desktop/flash
00:09<westk>chameleon: you could instead have been more verbose, and typed in this command: "mv ../Desktop/flash* /home/chameleon/tmp"
00:09<chealer>_ZeuZ_: in your favorite release (as flex-old)
00:10<westk>chameleon: it's "mv ../Desktop/flash* .", not "mv ../Desktop/flash"
00:10<westk>chameleon: note the asterisk, the space, and the dot
00:11<renginez02>Btw, does anybody here know why my "rutilt" that is installed on my lenny debian will disconnect itself sometimes? (its a wifi utility) incase u guys miss it...
00:11<westk>saw it renginez02 , but sorry, I don't have a clue
00:11<_ZeuZ_>chealer, hehe, thanks...
00:11<_ZeuZ_>I'm trying to setup webhtb with htb-tools for a friend
00:11<renginez02>westk: ok thanks btw....
00:11<westk>renginez02: no prob
00:12<westk>chameleon: how ya doin'?
00:12<chameleon>is there a way i can do it in the windows
00:12<renginez02>just wandering ppl here who uses lenny n hav the same problem wif me can giv ma a hand
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00:12<chameleon>being lost and confused cut iam following yout your saying excaly
00:12<westk>chameleon: yes, but it's much more difficult to explain. first, are you using KDE, Gnome, XFCE, what?
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00:13<westk>chameleon: also, you can only do part of it from the GUI;you'll still need to do the prompt
00:13<westk>chameleon: sorry, I'm not familiar enough with Gnome to know the exact gui-fied steps.
00:13<westk>chameleon: basically, you open whatever file-manager Gnome uses
00:14<chameleon>well i know the file is on my desktop
00:14<westk>chameleon: and then move the flash[blah].tgz file into the tmp directory
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00:14<chameleon>install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz that is file name
00:14<westk>chameleon: perhaps I was wrong to use shortcuts with you; perhaps I should have given you the more verbose commands. if you're willing to try again, here we go
00:15<westk>chameleon: mv /home/chameleon/Desktop/install_flash_plaer_9.tar.gz /home/chameleon/tmp
00:15<westk>chameleon: (you can even copy/paste this command, to save you the typing and the possible typos)
00:16<westk>(except that I misspelled player)
00:16<chameleon>mv: cannot stat `/home/chameleon/Desktop/install_flash_plaer_9.tar.gz': No such file or directory
00:16<westk>Yeah, I misspelled "player"; make that correction
00:16<chameleon>i did
00:16<westk>and did you get any errors?
00:17<westk>if not, then here's the next command
00:17<chameleon>yes same one
00:17<westk>cd /home/chameleon/tmp
00:17<chameleon>cannot start
00:17<chameleon>iam in there all ready
00:17<westk>hmm, Gnome must have a different name for the Desktop directory.
00:18<westk>chameleon: do this command:
00:18<westk>chameleon: ls ~
00:18<westk>and look for any files similar to "Desktop"
00:18<chameleon>just came up tmp
00:18<chameleon>MSI:/home/chameleon/tmp# ls ~
00:19<westk>oh, wait.. I see the problem. I still mistyped the name of the file; here's the correct command:
00:19<westk> mv /home/chameleon/Desktop/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz /home/chameleon/tmp
00:19<westk>(I left out the word "linux"
00:20<chameleon>ok i think that worked
00:20<westk>chameleon: ? u still there?
00:21<westk>okay, now...
00:21<westk>tar -xvzf install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
00:21<westk>this will untar the tarball
00:21<westk>(unzip the zipped file)
00:22<westk>now do "ls", and you should see a new directory
00:22<westk>named something like "install_flashplayer" or "flashplayer_install", etc
00:22<westk>what is it?
00:22<chameleon>install_flash_player_9_linux install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
00:23<westk>okay, good. now ...
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00:23<westk>cd install_flash_player_9_linux
00:23<chameleon>omg thx soooo much westk
00:23<westk>don't get too happy; you're not done yet
00:24<chameleon>but got further the i did all day
00:24<chameleon>iam in the dir
00:24<westk>okay, now do another "ls", and you'll see three or five files, one of which will be something like "install_flashplayer"
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00:25<westk>good; now ...
00:25<chameleon>that is all that is in there
00:25<westk>sudo ./flashplayer-installer
00:26<westk>sudo means you're doing this one command as the superuser (root)
00:26<westk>it'll ask for your password (and you have to be setup in the sudoers file)
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00:26<westk>(if you're not set up for sudoers, it'll say you're going to be reported to the system admin; don't worry about it; we'll just have to go another route
00:27<chameleon>bad news
00:27<chameleon>ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the
00:27<chameleon> Adobe Flash Player installer.
00:28<westk>you're not a sudoer? anh, minor issue; easy to work around.
00:28<westk>oh ... that IS bad news.
00:28<westk>I vaguely recall something about Adobe not releasing their player for the 64-bit architecture.
00:29<chameleon>o man :(
00:29<westk>I'm unsure how to work around that issue, although I'm fairly confident it's been done somehow by running it in a 32-bit simulated mode, or something to that effect
00:29<westk>(I'm not 64-bit literate yet, so haven't had the experience to know what to do. Sorry.)
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00:30<westk>let me do half-a-minute's worth of research and see if I can come up with a clue ...
00:30<chameleon>i should of goten the x86 distro
00:30<chameleon>thx you so much
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00:32<westk>chameleon: this link looks promising
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00:35<westk>chameleon: which links to this site, which looks fairly easy:
00:36<chameleon>i tryed that way but i did it all wrong
00:38<westk>all wrong?
00:38<chameleon>W: GPG error: etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 87087D251D0C997D
00:38<westk>oh ...
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00:39<chameleon>i tryed to follow that page also and no luck
00:40<westk>chameleon: after that error, did you try the "apt-get install markybob-keyring", followed again by "apt-get update"?
00:40<chameleon>lol good to go
00:40<chameleon>now what
00:41<chameleon>thx sooo much for time and help :)
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00:42<westk>chameleon: "good to go"? i'm unsure what u mean.
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00:42<chameleon>iam apt-get install ia32-libs-gtk nspluginwrapper
00:42<chameleon>waiting for that to finish
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00:45<chameleon>mv install_flash_player_9_linux/ ~/.mozilla/plugins/
00:45<chameleon>at that part now but no file or dir
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00:47<westk>instead of that last command, which puts the plugin into "chameleon"'s personal directory, let's put it in the system-wide directory with the following command:
00:47<westk>sudo mv install_flash_player_9_linux/ /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins
00:47<westk>then the next command becomes:
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00:48<vyrus001>how do i find out what version of debian i have?
00:48<westk>sudo nspluginwreapper -i /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/
00:48<westk>oops, "nspluginwrapper", not "nsplulginwreapper"
00:49<westk>(I'm actually guessing here, hoping this will work; I'm kind of stabbing in the dark, but I'm fairly confident about it.)
00:50<chameleon>sudo: nsplulginwreapper: command not found
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00:51<westk>chameleon: by the way, the reason this is so hard is because Adobe is too lazy to properly support Linux with their proprietary (i.e. "secret") player
00:52<chameleon>only player that palys vids on websites
00:52<westk>chameleon: yes, I misspelled nspluginwrapper; correct the spelling to the one <--- earlier in this sentence
00:52<chameleon>i did still same error
00:52<westk>chameleon: yeah; I was just complaining about Adobe, not saying you shouldn't use their player; I use it too.
00:53<westk>so, the new command:
00:53<westk> sudo nspluginwrapper -i /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/
00:53<chameleon>nspluginwrapper: /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libflashplayer.s is not a valid NPAPI plugin
00:55<westk>Did you leave the "o" off at the end of the line?
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00:56<chameleon>yes i did
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00:56<chameleon>all is working finily
00:56<chameleon>thx soooooo much
00:56<westk>great! do flash vids work now for you?
00:56<chameleon>naw my dir are all messed up
00:56<chameleon>yes thay do
00:56<westk>yea!, they work!
00:57<westk>what do you mean your dir are all messed up?
00:57<chameleon>yep thx to you
00:57<westk>you mean the ~/tmp dir?
00:57<chameleon>have the tar file being everywhere that also
00:57<westk>just "rm -rf /home/chameleon/tmp"
00:57<westk>(make sure you're careful with this line; the "rm" command can be dangerous)
00:58<westk>you can remove each instance with a command like "rm install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz"
00:59<gsimmons>!tell vyrus001 -about version
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00:59<westk>the command "rm -rf ~/" would delete your entire profile; the command "rm -rf /" would delete your entire system; just one little slash mark difference
01:00<westk>(well, you'd have to be root when you issued this command to do that kind of damage, but you get the idea)
01:00<westk>I meant "tilde", not "slash"
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01:01<westk>i'm glad it's working for you now. So, go enjoy or, etc.
01:01<chameleon>westk do you hang out in here?
01:01<westk>nah; tonight's the first night i've been here in probably four or five years, and even then only once or twice before. but i'm always on the debian-user mail list.
01:02<chameleon>well this channel need ppl like you
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01:03<westk>i'll take that as a compliment, and I thank you for it.
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01:03<chameleon>any time
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01:09<chameleon>humm now what to do on linux
01:10<westk>record and edit your songs you've written and played on the guitar?
01:10<westk>edit your photographs with neat techniques using the GIMP
01:10<westk>(record and edit with Audacity)
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01:11<westk>view your favorite pix with gqview
01:11<westk>view your favorite pix and movies with pornview (what an unfortunate name for a great program)
01:11<westk>write a letter to your congress-critter with's oowriter
01:12<westk>prepare a classroom presentation or church sermon with impress
01:12<westk>play frozen-bubble
01:12<westk>play "beneath-a-steel-sky"
01:13<westk>play doom
01:13<chameleon>i want to custimez my desktop cool stuff
01:13<westk>right-click on the desktop and change background (probably; unsure with Gnome)
01:14<westk>install compiz-fusion (or whatever the gee-whiz effects program is that allows you to wobble your windows and rotate your desktops)
01:14<chameleon>that what i want to do next
01:14<westk>install different themes or window environments (xfce, kde, icewm, etc)
01:14<chameleon>but i want the icons on the bobble thingy
01:15<westk>yeah, i don't play with eye-candy enough to know how to do that; i just know it's possible
01:15<chameleon>where would i look for stuff like that ?
01:16<westk>i'd probably start by googling for "debian compiz"
01:17<westk>"compiz vs" reminded me that another tool for these gee-whiz effects is beryl, so you can google for it also.
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01:22<chameleon>i want to change the panel
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01:28<nike>westk: Beryl is stuff of the past, in the future don't recommend it's use.
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01:28<westk>chameleon: Sorry; since I'm not running Gnome, I don't know how to help on that issue.
01:28<nike>Beryl and Compiz merged to form Compiz Fusion
01:29<nike>That is the window manager to get if a compositing window manager is desired: Compiz Fusion.
01:31<westk>nike: thanks for the update; i've never looked too closely at the products, so wasn't sure what direction they had taken; it's good to know.
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01:34<nike>Also, I recommend not recommending its use to Etch users, unless they install it from sources other than the Etch repos. It's very old in Etch. Lenny and Sid users can pull it directly from the official main repos in addition to a fusion-icon package which puts an easy-to-use icon in the systray in most DE's allowing easy toggling between multiple installed window managers and window decorators.
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01:39<westk>nike: you just wrote a message about not recommending compizfusion to etch users, but midway through reading it, my irc window filled up with a bunch of logout messages, and your message scrolled out of the buffer before i could read it, and i can find a way to look at scrolled-off messages. can you copy/paste that message back in; i was interested in it. thanks!
01:40<westk>"... i can't find a way ..."
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01:41<less>Musta been a net.split.
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01:42<nike>Also, I recommend not recommending its use to Etch users, unless they install it from sources other than the Etch repos. It's very old in Etch. Lenny and Sid users can pull it directly from the official main repos in addition to a fusion-icon package which puts an easy-to-use icon in the systray in most DE's allowing easy toggling between multiple installed window managers and window decorators.
01:42<westk>nike: thanks!
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01:43<nike>westk: So Lenny/Sid users should just install 'compiz' and 'fusion-icon'. As long as they have 3-D acceleration with graphics hardware and updated drivers, it should work.
01:46<westk>cool; seems a lot easier than when i tinkered with it for about 5-minutes ago a couple of years ago (on unaccelerated hardware)
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03:54<znag>hey there, can anyone tell me what the error message "error opening /proc/self/oom_adj" is related to? it keeps on getting logged in /var/log/auth
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03:57<ameyer>znag: a quick google found a potentially related bug and I'm too tired to make sense of it
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03:59<znag>ameyer: thx
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04:35<nike>My GRUB menu.lst kernel entry specifies /dev/sdg as my root device, and /dev/sdg is recognised by LVM2 as the drive with the volume group and logical volumes. However, the root partition (not an LVM LV) once booted is seen by Debian Etch as /dev/sda, as displayed by the 'mount' command and /etc/fstab
04:35<nike>Why the discrepancy, and which components detect this single HDD as /dev/sda and which detect is as /dev/sdg?
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04:40<jm_>grub uses /dev/discs/disc<num> links to find all the disks and create mappings to its own hd<num> scheme
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04:40<jm_>ahh no that would be only for devfs
04:41<jm_>for the rest it simply tries all devices
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04:48<nike>jm_: So what does this mean in terms of my Debian kernel?
04:49<nike>GRUB sees it as /dev/sdg, and the Debian kernel sees it as /dev/sda?
04:49<jm_>nike: nothing, it works as it should
04:49<nike>Then why does pvdisplay report LVM2 as seeing it as /dev/sdg?
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04:52<jm_>GRUB works with physical devices, sda is probably what d-m creates on top of physical devices
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05:58<Reggae__>Good day people, does anybody here know why after sometime my wifi connection gets disconnected (it uses "RUTILT")? im using lenny beta 2........Anyone can help...?
06:00<dih>i had a "Badness in futex_wait" error, which triggered WARN_ON()
06:00<dih>is there any way i can turn of the alarm it triggered via the command line?
06:01<jm_>what alarm?
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06:02<dih>jm_: the server's alarm
06:02<dih>it's beeping all the time
06:02<jm_>dih: really? what kinid of server is this?
06:02<dih>it's a 2.6.8-3-686-smp kernel on debian 3.1
06:03<dih>it's a customers server, there is no functionality issue
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06:03<jm_>and it started beeping once WARN_ON was reported?
06:03<dih>that was the kernel error message i found
06:04<dih>well - i am guessing it was WARN_ON()
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06:04<dih>bad assumption perhaps
06:04<dih>to be precise it said futex.c:581
06:04<dih>for one thing, i have no idea what that is for
06:05<dih>the other notices are tcp related
06:05<dih>bad icmp packet types
06:05<dih>and i am doubting that would trigger the alarm
06:06<dih>and it's not the hdd's
06:06<jm_>but I fail to see how that's related to beeping
06:06<dih>i just know the server is beeping, last kernel error i saw was this futex stuff
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06:06<dih>and i am trying to disable the alarm from console
06:06<dih>and am badly failing
06:07<dih>or rather just not succeeding
06:07<jm_>you want to disable messages on console or what?
06:07<dpkg>[bell] "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell
06:08<dih>no - i want to disable the server's alarm
06:08<jm_>nice printk in futex.c: Process `%s' used FUTEX_FD, which will be removed from the kernel in June 2007 - it's only been a year ...
06:08<jm_>you'll need to read its manual then
06:08<dih>(i did not want to recompile the kernel for the customer....)
06:08<petemc>there is no standard "server alarm" that im aware of
06:08<dih>well then ;-) i'll continue trying
06:09<dih>thanks though
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06:20<Skrat>Hi guys
06:20<Skrat>How can I replace Nautilus with another filemanager?
06:21<Skrat>And have it as the default?
06:21<buffoon_work>Hello, is there a logfile for pam?
06:24<Gasbag>Hello. I have a problem with my sound on a ThinkPad t40p. I do have the correct driver and it works properly when I run alsaconf. My problem is at startup. Alsa doesn't seem to run at boot and I have to restart it every time to get my audio working...
06:24<cahoot>buffoon_work: looked at /var/log/auth.log?
06:24<cahoot>Gasbag: alsa-utils installed?
06:25<Gasbag>cahoot, Yes.
06:25<cahoot>Gasbag: etch or testing?
06:25<jm_>alsaconf is part of utils so it must be installed
06:26<kinneh>hi anybody can understand why says "# caudium is not yet built on ia64: 2: vs 3:1.4.12-11 (missing 3 binaries: caudium-modules, caudium-pixsl, caudium-ultralog) " but in the log they're build ???
06:26<jm_>Gasbag: try running alsactl store once it's OK
06:26<Gasbag>cahoot, Do you mean the repositories I have used to download it? I not, I don't understand. =$
06:27<cahoot>Gasbag: what version of debian do you use?
06:27<buffoon_work>oh, didn't saw that logfile...
06:27<buffoon_work>those mondays
06:28<Gasbag>cahoot, The latest one I could find... I believe there is a terminal command to find out.. Right?
06:29<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version
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06:31<Gasbag>Kernel 2.6.18-6-686
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06:34<cahoot>Gasbag: ls -l /etc/rcS.d/S50alsa-utils - there is a symlink?
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06:35<Gasbag>cahoot, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2008-06-25 14:02 /etc/rcS.d/S50alsa-utils -> ../init.d/alsa-utils
06:36<Gasbag>cahoot, Seems like a link..
06:36<cahoot>Gasbag: (as root) run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 - any error?
06:37<cahoot>(it's supposed to: " Restore and store ALSA driver settings"
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06:38<Gasbag>cahoot, Nope. It restarted it..
06:38<cahoot>and speaker-test -t wav runs fine?
06:38<Gasbag>cahoot, The exact result: Resetting ALSA card 0...done.
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06:39<cahoot>Gasbag: the script *should* be run automagically at boot and enable sound for you
06:39<Gasbag>cahoot, Well, I can play sounds. The problem is that I have to reset alsa every time I boot as it seems that it doesn't start at boot.
06:39<Gasbag>cahoot, Yes..
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06:40<Gasbag>cahoot, I thought so too. Therefore I searched for how to make one since it only takes like one command in the terminal to make it work..
06:40<cahoot>fan vet varfö det inte funkar
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06:40<Gasbag>cahoot, Kunde du inte sagt att du var svensk från början...
06:41<cahoot>english spoken channel ;)
06:41<Gasbag>cahoot, Aha...
06:41<federico>ei scusate c'è qualche italiano?
06:42<dpkg>#debian-it is, like, Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
06:42<federico>nn parlo molto bene l'inlese
06:42<federico>c'è qualche italiano disposto ad aiutarmi?
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06:43<Gasbag>cahoot, So you know what the problem is?
06:43<federico>sorry, I have a prblem
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06:46<cahoot>Gasbag: possibly the alsa modules doesn't get loaded unless you run alsaconf - could try add it to /etc/modules
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06:46<federico[IT]>we help me please?
06:46<cahoot>Gasbag: but - that shouldn't be needed really
06:46<SlayerXP>federico[IT]: we don't know what your problem is because we haven't heard it yet.
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06:47<federico[IT]>i have Amilo la1703
06:48<Gasbag>cahoot, If it runs alsaconf at every starup that must mean that it actually installs the drivers every time I boot.. Right?
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06:48<federico[IT]>i have VIA K8M890CE graphics schede
06:48<federico[IT]>but i è giusto i don't find
06:48<cahoot>Gasbag: you mean alsaconf gets run without you invoking it?
06:48<federico[IT]>i don't find modules
06:49<federico[IT]>for this
06:49<jm_>federico[IT]: via driver in lenny claims support for k8m
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06:49<Gasbag>cahoot, Ehh.. It doesn't start all by itself.. If that's what you mean.
06:50<federico[IT]>who is k8m?
06:50<Gasbag>cahoot, I ment that it would run the installation at boot every time if I add alsaconf to /etc/modules.
06:50<cahoot>Gasbag: run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base and choose alsa - see if it sorts it out
06:51<Gasbag>cahoot, Okies.
06:52<federico[IT]>jm_ who is k8m?
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06:52<Gasbag>I chose ALSA and will now reboot to see whether it works out or not. =)
06:52<jm_>federico[IT]: it's one of several VIA Unichrome chipsets
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06:54<rmf>could anyone tell me how to upgrade icedove to ver2.0 in etch? i have backports repo on, but can't find it :(
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06:57<federico[IT]>when i can find the modules? those on via site are unable...
06:58<Gasbag>cahoot, Nope.. Sound is not working at the moment..
06:59<themill>rmf: t'bird was pretty buggy there for a long time and it might still be on etch. There's no backport that I know of. You could try making your own though... /msg dpkg ssb
06:59<cahoot>Gasbag: (as root) run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 - any error now?
07:00<Gasbag>cahoot, I ran /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload
07:00<rmf>Gasbag - are you a member of the group audio?
07:00<Gasbag>cahoot, The sound is working..
07:00<Gasbag>rmf, ?
07:01<jm_>federico[IT]: what modules?
07:01<rmf>Gasbag, i had poroblems with sound when i starte4d using debian (etch) - it was down to needing permission to use the soundcard.
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07:02<federico[IT]>the modules of VIA K8M890CE
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07:02<rmf>The Group audio has said permission and if you add yourself to this group (addgroup username audio) you may get some joy...
07:02<rmf>Gasbag ^^ ngers crossed)
07:02<Gasbag>rmf, =)
07:03<federico[IT]>i have some problems
07:03<jm_>kernel has via drm module and X has via driver
07:04<federico[IT]>i have debian stable 4.0
07:05<federico[IT]>there are for si tu
07:05<federico[IT]>there are for debian 4.0 stable
07:06<federico[IT]>sorry but my english isn't very well
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07:06<Gasbag>cahoot, rmf; Oh well.. I thank you for your help. I think I'll just throw some scripts together and click on them as I want to hear something. x) Thanks for your efforts! And for cahoot exclusively: Tjolahopp!
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07:07<rmf>good luck Gasb
07:07<mysupper>hello guys
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07:09<federico[IT]>jm_ sorry...
07:09<federico[IT]>y english isn't very well
07:10<federico[IT]>i have debian 4.0 stable
07:10<federico[IT]>there isn't
07:10<jm_>federico[IT]: then go to #debian-it
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07:12<rmf>did anyone have an idea on hoe to upgrade my icedove to 2 in Etch
07:13<jm_>build it from source if there are no packages - /msg dpkg simple sid backport
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07:24<zem>installing nvidia drivers, getting: "unable to determine NVIDIA kernel module filename" what to do? it's lenny, kernel is 2.6.24-1-686
07:24<jm_>I used nvidia drivers from sid to compile it on Lenny, worked flawlessly
07:25<zem>i'm trying the ones from their webpage
07:25<jm_>no, do it the debian way
07:26<zem>now just a simple problem... how do i remove the old nvidia driver?
07:26<zem>allso installed from official site
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07:26<jm_>hmm does it have uninstall option?
07:26<zem>got it
07:28<zem>what repository do i need?
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07:30<zem>jm_:can you tell me from which repository you installed drivers? can't find any in sid main
07:31<rmf>jm_ ok, thanks
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07:33<jm_>zem: it's in non-free
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07:41<lolz>hello on pc of 240 mb ram pentium 4 is more fast and light kdebase or gnome?
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07:42<zem>jm_: can you tell me the repository please? sorry if you did, i crashed the system
07:42<jm_>zem: it's in non-free
07:43<lolz>hello on pc of 240 mb ram pentium 4 is more fast and light kdebase or gnome?
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07:43<free>lolz, xfce :)
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07:44<jm_>zem: also get then build it with m-a, and once that is done and resulting package installed, also install nvidia-glx
07:44<lolz>free is you personal preference?kde is more light of xfce
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07:46<zem>can't i install it with aptitude?
07:46<free>lolz, i use kde, but xfce more fast and light
07:46<petemc>!non-free sources
07:46<dpkg>i heard non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
07:46<lolz>free use kde 3.5.9?
07:48<jm_>you can install it with aptitude, but then you'll have to add it to sources.list and make sure it doesn't install the rest from sid
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07:51<zem>i did add it to the sources, i've put "main contrib non-free" but when i tell aptitude to install nvidia-glx it tells me "depends on nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 [UNAVAILABLE]"
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07:55<zem>msg dpkg !help
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07:56<jm_>that's because you're not doing it properly
07:56<jm_>run m-a a-i nvidia
07:57<zem>m-a: command not found
07:57<Lethalman>zem, aptitude install module-assistant
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08:00<Linux-User>please help
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08:03<zem>jm_: anything else i need to do?
08:05<zem>install nvidia-glx i guess
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08:07<jm_>zem: yeah
08:07<zem>i have isntalled nvidia-glx but in xorg.conf there is still "nv" as driver
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08:10<zem>oh well... i'll just try to start it and see what i get...
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08:11<zem>it works but it's not nvidia driver...
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08:12<jm_>I strongly suggest to read nvidia-glx/README.Debian
08:12<zem>got it
08:12<Skrat>How can I get nautilus to show the sidebar on the left?
08:13<zem>thank you very much jm_
08:13<Skrat>Like in ... Ahem, ubuntu.
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08:13<Skrat>Instead of having to open new windows for every folder i open
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08:14<zem>Skrat: edit->preferences->behaviour
08:14<zem>"allways open in browser windows"
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08:15<dih>i see a log of kernel: TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer x.x.x.200:1216/80 shrinks window 431100697:431109019. Repaired.
08:15<dih>in my kern.log
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08:16<petemc>as do most people, its not anything to worry about
08:16<dih>i have not seen this on other servers
08:16<petemc>despite the wording
08:17<dih>(i am still trying to figure out what's wrong with the same machiene!)
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08:27<Skrat>Thanks zem!
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09:07<fai-guy>hi folks
09:07<fai-guy>how can i solve this problem
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09:07<fai-guy>The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG
09:08<dpkg>If you're seeing BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive; this means that the signature on the Release.gpg file doesn't match the Release file. This happened because a mirror pulse was delayed. Use a different mirror, or wait 24 hours and the problem will resolve itself.
09:08<fai-guy>ok, and how can i solve it for my own mirror ... delete Release and Release.gpg and produce new one ?
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09:09<jm_>no, first you need to find out for which repostiroy this is
09:10<fai-guy>is for _my_ repository
09:10<jm_>ahh, did you follow the right howto?
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09:10<pikapika>where should i ask why a gpl software isn't in the packages ?
09:10<fai-guy>hmm, i use a script to produce the holy stuff
09:11<dpkg>For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help.
09:11<fai-guy>and it worked alltimes right for me
09:11<pikapika>petemc: thanks, it's about psyced :
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09:17<fai-guy>jm_: what howto do you think about
09:17<jm_>fai-guy: there's one on the debian-administration web page
09:17<fai-guy>jm_: tch/main Packages/DiffIndex
09:18<fai-guy>arg, wrong clipboard entry ... mom
09:18<jm_>fai-guy: also this
09:18<fai-guy>jm_: <-- here is my script ... hope it helps to find out my fault
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09:19<fai-guy>jm_: 404
09:19<jm_>fai-guy: WFM
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09:21<fai-guy>ahh, ok my irssi meens that the actual time is part of the url :-/
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09:23<themill>I don't like the look of having your passphrase sent around as a command line argument. Use gpg-agent instead.
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09:25<themill>I also do all of that stuff using the reprepro tool. Never touch the release files or handle the signing manually like that.
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09:26<jm_>yeah d-a site also has reprepro based info I think
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09:31<rmf>why can i not edit files when i am a member of the right group and the permissions on the files are 775?
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09:31<cahoot>rmf: what error?
09:31<debed>hi some one help me how to how to setup a network printer in debian. My printer is HP- Officejet 4300
09:32<cahoot>rmf: and - groups <user> confirms membership?
09:32<themill>rmf: have you only just added yourself to this group?
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09:32<petemc>debed: if it does jetdirect, install cups and have it search for printers
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09:33<fai-guy>hmm, ok i try it the way it is discribed in the url above but it don't solve my problem *hum*
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09:36<E0x>rmf: need 776 ( 775 is only read and execute for the group )
09:37<debed>petemc, yeah i have installed cups and also hpijs but my printer is connected to a debian system whose static ip is so when setting up the network printer in another debian i selected Hp jet direct. But its asking for the hostname and port 9100. I typed my host as and went through next steps . But I am unable to print anthing from my cleint system
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09:39<Lethalman>E0x, 775 is rwx for group
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09:42<Thrasymach0s>I am having dependency trouble installing Lyx 1.4.3-3 on Debian:4.0r3, can some1 take a look:
09:42<E0x>oh true , 5 is for "others"
09:43<cahoot>E0x: you don't confuse the number with the position?
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09:43<buffoon_work>hi! i configured pam to use winbind to authenticate against a Active Directory Domain Controller. Authentication seems to work, but i can not login on GDM or with su -
09:43<E0x>cahoot: yes
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09:44<buffoon_work>i always get a blank screen when i switch back to tty so i didn't try there
09:45<E0x>buffoon_work: heck the gdm file in /etc/pam.d/
09:45<E0x>that have
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09:45<E0x>as sufficient
09:46<E0x>auth sufficient, account sufficient, session sufficient
09:46<buffoon_work>well, there's a line @include common-auth
09:46<buffoon_work>and in common-auth i defined as sufficent
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09:48<padski>Thrasymach0s, a little googling turns up this kind of thing: "This is typically due to a corrupted debconf templates database. I'd
09:48<padski>suggest running /usr/share/debconf/"
09:48<E0x>buffoon_work: hmm , check if you are missing something
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09:49<gsimmons>Thrasymach0s: I think that 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' is holding up the configuration of your other packages. You'd want to 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' from debian-volatile, due to a known issue with Etch's version (BTS bug #437488).
09:49<E0x>buffoon_work: check this link too
09:50<buffoon_work>OK, i'm going to read through that too... (just read a lot of docs)
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09:54<E0x>buffoon_work: i setup a ubuntu machine for do the same , gdm work fine but for some reason ( that i still don't known ) when i restart the pc i need wait a few minute before try login in gdm because if i try immediatly when the pc finish of startup give me a error about not logon server
09:54<E0x>or something like that
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10:15<Tuplad>Is there an easy way to configure samba ? I cant get on a windows vista computer on my network, it keeps asking for a password eventhough password is disabled :\
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10:28<padski>Tuplad, swat ?
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10:36<Tuplad>cant figure swat out
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10:38<Tuplad>samba is some piece of crap.
10:38<Tuplad>cant I just disable all that password fluff?
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10:48<buffoon_work>oh, now i see that the login shell on all users of the AD Domain is set to /sbin/false
10:48<buffoon_work>do i have to change that manner in the environment variables?
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10:51<chameleon>hey how do i find what video card i have ?
10:51<gsimmons>!what's my hardware
10:51<dpkg>You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny!
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10:54<chameleon>how do i clear screen in consol?
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10:54<OdyX>chameleon: command "clear" ;)
10:54<SlayerXP>chameleon: the answer is on your question
10:54<SlayerXP>is in, even
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11:06<dih>not even a thank you...!
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11:07<Tuplad>I finally figured out how to open access to my computer with samba haha :d
11:08<Tuplad>now the other struggle is, how do I get ON a windows network ?
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11:08<E0x>what do you mean with open access ?
11:08<chameleon>how do i get iceape off my system i did apt-get --purge remove iceape but it still under internet
11:08<Tuplad>E0x: sharing a folder
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11:09<E0x>Tuplad: ook
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11:10<OdyX>chameleon: iceape "under internet" ??
11:10<gsimmons>chameleon: 'iceape' is only a meta package. You'd want to remove the dependent packages it has previously installed.
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11:11<Tuplad>so any idea how to access a windows computer ? I shared a folder but it asks for a password :\
11:12<Tuplad>E0x: I think that that was exactly what I just solved.
11:13<Tuplad>E0x: I am on Linux, and I'm trying to access the computer in the other room, it's a windows vista machine
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11:18<chameleon>how do i add to this file
11:18<chameleon>vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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11:19<E0x>Tuplad: i did that here i i can access the share without password from xp machines
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11:20<dih>chameleon: type :h[return]
11:20<dih>and read through the help ;-)
11:20<dih>or man vi
11:20<dih>or google for vi or vim
11:21<buffoon_work>E0x, do you know a way to tell the login shell of the Domain users?
11:21<buffoon_work>if i do "getent passwd" i see that every user of the AD Domain has the login shell /sbin/false
11:21<k-man>will a drive formatted by a 32 bit linux system work in a 64 bit linux system?
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11:25<fanto666>Hello, may I know why there is no smbfs in kernel 2.6.24-etchnhalf ?
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11:27<dih>k-man: that should not be a problem
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11:31<gsimmons>fanto666: smbfs is no longer supported upstream. Use cifs instead.
11:31<fanto666>gsimmons: is there alternative for smbmount there?
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11:32<gsimmons>fanto666: mount.cifs
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11:33<fanto666>gsimmons: thx
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12:03<scimmiapazza>is there a one-command to easly install nvidia drivers?
12:03<cahoot>there isn't one answer to that
12:03<Laeborg>you mean a apt-get install command?
12:04<scimmiapazza>cause following howto it failed..
12:04<cahoot>scimmiapazza: try /msg dpkg nvidia
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12:06<scimmiapazza>if i follow that istructions it tell me that i have to remove xorg & Co.
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12:09<chameleon>i dont under stand what this line is telling me to do
12:09<chameleon>pls help
12:09<chameleon>Add “compiz –replace” to “Desktop -> Preferences -> Sessions -> Startup Programs”.
12:09<_ZeuZ_>chameleon, well, if yu're using KDE I have a better idea for you
12:09<_ZeuZ_>because that adds a script in .DESKTOP/Autostart
12:09<chameleon>naw gnome
12:10<_ZeuZ_>chameleon, go to xterm, and do cd .gnome
12:10<_ZeuZ_>do not forget the .
12:10<chameleon>ok iam lost
12:10<_ZeuZ_>haven't you EVER used a console?
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12:11<_ZeuZ_>then go to the console of your choice
12:12<_ZeuZ_>then cd to your home (cd ~/ )
12:12<_ZeuZ_>then cd to .gnome
12:12<_ZeuZ_>and look there.
12:13<chameleon>there is a file called gnome-vfs
12:14<_ZeuZ_>do not touch it, it has no relation.
12:14<chameleon>then what do i do ?
12:14<_ZeuZ_>Look there.
12:14<chameleon>nothen but that file in there
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12:15<_ZeuZ_>ls -lta >> What does THAT show?
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12:15<_ZeuZ_>oh, wait
12:16<_ZeuZ_>I forgot the 2 on .gnome (the correct thir is ~/.gnome2
12:16<_ZeuZ_>and edit the session-manual file
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12:17<_ZeuZ_>for a how-to:
12:17<_ZeuZ_> >>> Follow that, it's distro independant.
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12:18<chameleon>accels evince gedit-metadata.xml main share
12:18<chameleon>backgrounds.xml file-roller gnomemeeting nautilus-scripts yelp
12:18<chameleon>epiphany gedit-2 keyrings panel2.d yelp.d
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12:19<chameleon>thoes are files in there
12:19<_ZeuZ_>chameleon, I repeat the previous and clarify something to you: DO NOT flood, if you NEED TO PASTE SOMETHING, use or #flood .
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12:31<chameleon>i followed that and it did nothen :(
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12:33<chameleon>any idea what i did wrong?
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12:36<chameleon>any help pls
12:36*fxiny spiral rulez : "hellooo ? enouf , are you upstairs ?"
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12:38<chameleon>anyone here?
12:38<SlayerXP>please leave your message after the tone
12:38<chameleon>can you help me pls
12:39*fxiny morphs into a jackal and suggests chameleon to install xmonad
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12:42<chameleon>can someone help me pls
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12:44<godlie>what to do against: mounting /dev/root on /root failed Device or resource busy
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12:45<cahoot>what do you want to accomplish?
12:46<godlie>my problem is after setting up an sw raid with mdadm grub doesn't want to get working again
12:47<SlayerXP>the very best approach to software raid is to not bother and go buy a decent raid card instead.
12:47<weasel>I disagree
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12:48<weasel>software raid is fine, and usually works way better than at least the usual consumer grade raid stuff around
12:48<godlie>so now im withing my rescue system
12:49<godlie>my configuration looks like: /dev/md0 is swap i think and /dev/md1 is my root system
12:49<fxiny>grub or grub2 ?
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12:50<godlie>so i tried to enter grub console
12:50<godlie>my partitions are /dev/sda1 <-- swap /dev/sda2 <-- root
12:50<godlie>so therefore in grub i have to say root (hd0,1) or?
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12:51<fxiny>grub counts starting from zero
12:51<godlie>yes therefore i have (hd0,1)
12:53<godlie>or am i false?
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12:56<godlie>is there a way to find out what filesystem the md devices are having
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12:59<godlie>do i need an boot partiton?
12:59<fxiny>godlie: use grub cli tab completion to sort it out
13:00<godlie>hm tab doesn't work for me
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13:05<godlie>do i have to do grub-install on /dev/sda or /dev/md?
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13:17<weasel>godlie: which raid level did you use?
13:17<godlie>Disk /dev/md1 doesn't contain a valid partition table
13:17<godlie>thats what i get from fdisk -l
13:17<weasel>so what is the problem now?
13:18<godlie>the problem is grub wont work
13:18<weasel>define 'wont work'
13:18<godlie>he doesn't find a root partition to boot and hangs in initramfs
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13:19<weasel>that kinda suggests that grub did work.
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13:19<godlie>he worked :)
13:20<godlie>so now im within a rescue system
13:20<weasel>what are the kernel parameters that you booted with?
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13:22<weasel>I thought md1 was your root?
13:22<godlie>sorry it was md1
13:22<godlie>and at least an ro
13:23<fxiny>and the initrd line ?
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13:23<fxiny> /boot/initrd.img ....
13:23<godlie>yes that way
13:23<weasel>do you have a /proc/mdstat?
13:24<weasel>what does it say?
13:25<godlie>it shows 2 active raids
13:25<godlie>with UU
13:25<godlie>thats all ok
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13:26<weasel>looks ok
13:26<godlie>i think the only thing is the grub configuration
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13:26<weasel>I think not.
13:27<godlie>what else can it be
13:27<weasel>unless you lied me.
13:27<weasel>but then you didn't answer that question properly anyway
13:27<godlie>what question? :)
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13:27<weasel>the one about kernel parameters.
13:28<godlie>the kernel params are /boot/vmlinuz... root=/dev/md1 ro
13:28<weasel>and you have an md1 in /proc/mdstat, so all should work.
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13:29<godlie>i will try to reboot lets see whats happen
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13:33<godlie>damit its not working
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13:35<godlie>can you have a look to a screenshot weasel?
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13:37<streuner>only if you provide some nice girls ;-)
13:38<weasel>godlie: cat /proc/mdstat
13:38<weasel>show that to me.
13:38<weasel>also cat /proc/cmdline
13:39<weasel>and while you are at it ls -l /root and ls -l /root/sbin/init
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13:41<weasel>and cat /proc/mounts
13:42<godlie>imageshack is slow today
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13:44<weasel>I think your root might be md0
13:44<weasel>not md1.
13:45<fxiny>hey : i read ls broot
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13:46<godlie>i gonny try
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13:52<godlie>same thing with md0 as root
13:52<weasel>do you have anything in /root then?
13:52<weasel>and what does proc/mounts say
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13:53<godlie>nope nothing in root
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13:53<godlie>rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0
13:54<weasel>show me the boot screenshot?
13:54<weasel>with root=/dev/md0
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13:58<godlie>any idea what that can be?
13:58<weasel>what's your proc/cmdline now?
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13:59<godlie>Boot_image=linux ro root=802
13:59*weasel googles for what 802 means
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14:03<godlie>hm found something?
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14:03<Gasbag>Hello. I have a problem with my USB-stick. When I plug it in nothing happens.. The device is not listed at "computer" but it is found when typing "lsusb" in the terminal. I cannot access the memory which is the problem. It's FAT32 filesystem and recently formatted, 1 minute ago. Any suggestions?
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14:05<weasel>godlie: when you are in grub, instead of booting the default, select edit and show me the settings.
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14:07<enouf>Gasbag: dmesg | tail
14:08<enouf>you likely screwed up mkfs.vfat
14:08<Gasbag>usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
14:08<Gasbag>usb 4-3: USB disconnect, address 109
14:08<Gasbag>usb 4-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 110
14:08<Gasbag>hub 4-0:1.0: Cannot enable port 3. Maybe the USB cable is bad?
14:08<Gasbag>usb 4-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 111
14:08-!-Gasbag was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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14:09<Gasbag>Flood... =/
14:09<enouf>nice job
14:09<Vav>Hi does anyone know how to install Firefox 3 on debian Lenny ?
14:09<Gasbag>Thanks. =)
14:10<enouf>Gasbag: pastebin when more than 1 line
14:10<Gasbag>enouf, okies.
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14:12<godlie>weasel: lol i found out that lilo is still handling the bootup
14:12<weasel>I'm at a loss for words
14:12<godlie>im also
14:12<godlie>how to remove lili within the initramfs?
14:13<weasel>you don't.
14:14<buffoon>hi! i have a hauppauge wintv card. Which driver should i tell lirc to use? lircd --driver=? gives a list but i really do not know what to take
14:14<Gasbag>enouf, Did the text I wrote, before being kicked, go through or did the bot eat it?
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14:16<enouf>Gasbag: well some did
14:17<enouf>Gasbag: and you didn't write any of it
14:17<Gasbag>enouf, Is this better: ?
14:18<enouf>buffoon: would maybe #v4l help?
14:18<buffoon>hmm, i'll give it a try
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14:23<enouf>Gasbag: what command did you format it with
14:24<Gasbag>enouf, I formatted it in Windows.
14:24<brinco>Hi, I'm trying to install Debian Etch on an HP Laptop (Pavilion dv6815nr) using netinstall but the installer doesn't recognize my network card. What can I do?
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14:27<enouf>Gasbag: well, it's not showing up as a device
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14:27<suiside>brinco: what card?
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14:28<brinco>It's a nVidia
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14:28<enouf>Gasbag: did it ever work in linux?
14:29<enouf>brinco: wifi only?
14:30<Gasbag>enouf, Good question. It has never worked on debian but it worked when I ran fedora.
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14:30<Gasbag>enouf, Is the brand "Apacer" something I might just throw in the garbage? =P
14:30<enouf>Gasbag: does it require a proprietary module?
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14:31<enouf>sounds like a plan :-P
14:31<brinco>It has 2 network cards, an Atheros WiFi card and a nVidia network card
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14:31<dpkg>All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>.
14:32<Gasbag>enouf, Then that's what I'll do. It's 512 Mb anyway.. I'll just have to buy a good one.
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14:32<suiside>brinco: specifically what nvidia card?
14:33<brinco>I don't know
14:33<suiside>ask lspci
14:33<Gasbag>enouf, Thanks for your help, hope I didn't bother you too much with my ugly red usb-stick. =)
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14:34<brinco>lspci says 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 054c (rev a2)
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14:35<enouf>brinco: try lspci -nn
14:35<astronut>does anyone know of a tool that merges ical files (.ics)?
14:35<enouf>installer, no net cahoot
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14:35<cahoot>catch23 or so
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14:36<libervisco>Anyone uses stable on desktop, along with backports? I wonder how far does bacports project go with backported updates. Do they do GNOME or even the kernel for example?
14:37<brinco>It says 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: nVidia Corporation Unknown device [10de:054c] (rev a2)
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14:37<suiside>brinco: seems it's an nVidia MCP67 in which case you'd need a newer forcedeth driver that has new PCI device id aliases.
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14:38<brinco>And where can I get it? Do I need to compile something?
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14:40<pilou>hello, I have a ext3 usb disque which is automatically mounted by gnome (debian testing). I have no write access. What do I configure to write files ont it ? thanks
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14:42<pfoo>Hi, do someone know what happened to debian lenny lilo package ?§ion=all
14:43<enouf>brinco: maybe etchnhalf
14:44<diego>I'm brinco. My internet connection went down for a sec.
14:45<enouf>diego: or a kmuto image
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14:48<diego>sorry, I lost part of the info. You're suggesting that I use other distributions? Like etchnhalf or kmuto?
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14:49<lsj4l5d>i just invoked 'srm -r -d /tmp/.*' as root and realized too late that the -d option does not work.
14:49<lsj4l5d>in other words, random parts of my system are wiped now.
14:50<lsj4l5d>i'm not sure what these parts are, but after all the system still boots, and i stopped the command very early, so i hope to be able to recover the missing parts.
14:51<lsj4l5d>i already did a manual apt-get --reinstall and dpkg-reconfigure of all installed packages, but some weird issues remain
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14:51<lsj4l5d>first, i'm not able to login/su as any other user than root. if i try 'su username' from the root prompt, i get:
14:51<lsj4l5d>Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied
14:52<lsj4l5d>also all services that are started as an own user fail to start.
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14:52<lsj4l5d>/bin/bash is around and both readable and executable by world
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14:53<E0x>lsj4l5d: try , apt-get install -reinstall base-files
14:53<mtnman>that is --reinstall *two hyphens) iirc.
14:54<lsj4l5d>E0x: as i already did this for all installed packages, i fear that it wound't help
14:54<enouf>diego: use my nice ;-)
14:54<enouf>!tell diego -about kmuto
14:54<enouf>!tell diego -about etchnhalf
14:54<enouf>diego: s/nice/nick
14:54<E0x>lsj4l5d: check if you detele files from /etc/
14:54<E0x>like passwd and shadow file
14:55<E0x>if is the case you maybe need reinstall it
14:55<lsj4l5d>E0x: both still exist. the issue is not the users/groups being unavailable but the permissions being wrong for some reason.
14:55<diego>enouf: Thank you very much!
14:55<E0x>o i think you can create these file again
14:56<lsj4l5d>mysql, exim4, hal, avahi, privoxy, ... all fail to start with permission errors.
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14:56<lsj4l5d>gdm fails with an error that /var/lib/gdm is unavailable. but /var/lib/gdm _is_ available, and writeable
14:57<E0x>you can fix all permission checking in a manual way from other debian sistem and setting the same in you system , but that is a hard task
14:57<lsj4l5d>E0x: i doubt that the actual file permissions are wrong. why should they have changed?
14:57<E0x>i just follow you sugestion that something with permission goes wrong
14:57<lsj4l5d>i believe that some core part of debians login/permission handling is missing.
14:58<lsj4l5d>E0x: yes, thanks for your help, sorry if i'm unclear
14:58<E0x>if was teh case reinstall base i think should fix that
14:59<lsj4l5d>does base-files contain all the core parts of debian? or is there some 'base-files.tar.gz' that is only available from installation media?
15:01<E0x>"This package contains the basic filesystem hierarchy of a Debian system, and several important miscellaneous files, such as /etc/debian_version, /etc/host.conf, /etc/issue, /etc/motd, /etc/profile, /etc/nsswitch.conf, and others, and the text of several common licenses in use on Debian systems. "
15:01<dondelelcaro>lsj4l5d: it just contains the bits in base-files
15:01<dondelelcaro>lsj4l5d: everything that we distribute is in a package
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15:01<lsj4l5d>ok, thanks
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15:02<lsj4l5d>when i try to login as normal user (not root) on a console, i get the error 'unable to cd to '/home/user'', and the login fails
15:02<lsj4l5d>this happens even for a new testuser i just created with 'adduser testuser'
15:03<dondelelcaro>lsj4l5d: does /home/user exist? is it owned by user?
15:03<lsj4l5d>dondelelcaro: yes, both is the case
15:03<dondelelcaro>what's the actual, complete error message?
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15:04<E0x>cd exist ?
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15:05<lsj4l5d>E0x: cd doesn't exist as standalone binary, but it's a builtin of bash/dash, isn't it?
15:05<enouf>lsj4l5d: echo $PATH
15:05<dondelelcaro>it pretty much has to be a builtin
15:05<fxiny>is it a fresh install ?
15:05<dondelelcaro>and $PATH doesn't have anything to do with it
15:05<lsj4l5d>fxiny: no, it's several months old
15:05<fxiny>home full ?
15:05<enouf>and a builtin doesn't either
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15:06<lsj4l5d>fxiny: no, and as described above it's not the only issue
15:06<dondelelcaro>enouf: it has to do with what cd is, which is what E0x was asking about.
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15:06<dondelelcaro>lsj4l5d: oh, wait. What filesystem is this?
15:06<lsj4l5d>dondelelcaro: the complete error message is the one i gave
15:07<dondelelcaro>lsj4l5d: the number and types of errors you're reporting indicates that there's something seriously wrong with your filesystem.
15:07<E0x>lsj4l5d: try this : dpkg --get-selections > dpkglist.txt && dpkg --set-selections < dpkglist.txt && apt-get -y update && apt-get dselect-upgrade
15:07*dondelelcaro would guess a priori that the answer is going to be "reiserfs"
15:08<lsj4l5d>dondelelcaro: i use ext3 for /, /boot, /home, /var and /srv/data (all being seperate partitions)
15:08<dondelelcaro>oh, I read back farther.
15:08<dondelelcaro>lsj4l5d: um... does /etc/passwd exist? does /etc/group exist? does /etc/pam.d/ exist and have contents?
15:09<lsj4l5d>dondelelcaro: i already rebooted, and all filesystem where fscked and mounted without issues. at least fsck said all where clean (and thus didn't check)
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15:09<dondelelcaro>lsj4l5d: yeah, I didn't catch that you had deleted random bits of your filesystem
15:09<enouf>yeah, just noticed his rm debacle thing myself
15:09<lsj4l5d>dondelelcaro: yes, all do exist
15:09<dondelelcaro>lsj4l5d: can you log in as root?
15:09<lsj4l5d>dondelelcaro: yes, no problem.
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15:09<lsj4l5d>if i try 'su user', i get:
15:10<lsj4l5d>Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied
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15:10<lsj4l5d>but /bin/bash has permissions -rwxr-xr-x
15:10<lsj4l5d>that is 755
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15:11<dondelelcaro>lsj4l5d: and what does cat /proc/mounts say / is mounted as?
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15:12<fxiny>lsj4l5d: drwxrwxrwt >> tmp
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15:12<fxiny>s/diego/pibe de oro/
15:12<lsj4l5d>! /dev/disk/by-uuid/23f0123a-9329-4203-ad31-12599f22af29 / ext3 rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered 0 0
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15:13<lsj4l5d>fxiny: that's one strange issue as well, /tmp was drwx------ after reboot
15:14<lsj4l5d>fxiny: i did 'chmod 777 /tmp' now, so it's drwxrwxrwx, not drwxrwxrwt
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15:14<dondelelcaro>lsj4l5d: it should be 1777
15:14<kajek>zastalem kogos mowiacego po polsku?
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15:15<lsj4l5d>dondelelcaro: yes, changed that now, but it doesn't fix the issues
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15:15<dondelelcaro>lsj4l5d: it probably wouldn't; what are the permissions on /lib/ld-*:
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15:16<dondelelcaro>lsj4l5d: and does user exist in /etc/passwd?
15:17<lsj4l5d>dondelelcaro: yes, the user exists
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15:18<dondelelcaro>lsj4l5d: and file /bin/bash; tells you its an ELF executable, right?
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15:19<lsj4l5d>dondelelcaro: yes
15:19<lsj4l5d>/lib/ has 755
15:20<dondelelcaro>lsj4l5d: ok, and I assume as root /bin/bash; just works fine?
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15:20<lsj4l5d>/lib/ is symlink to /lib/
15:20<lsj4l5d>other /lib/ld-* files do not exist
15:20<dondelelcaro>lsj4l5d: right, that's the one that should
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15:23<lsj4l5d>any ideas why /tmp could have 700 after reboot instead of 1777?
15:23<dondelelcaro>lsj4l5d: is /tmp a separate filesystem?
15:24<lsj4l5d>dondelelcaro: not now. i tried to change it to a tmpfs fs, that's why i invoked 'srm -r -d /tmp/.*' in the first time. so that's the reason why i messed up my system
15:25<lsj4l5d>but in the meanwhile i rebooted with the line for /tmp commented out in /etc/fstab. so the short answer is no, /tmp is not a seperate fs.
15:27<fxiny>checked /var/tmp ?
15:28<lsj4l5d>that one indeed is 1777.
15:28<lsj4l5d>so whatever messed up permissions of /tmp, didn't do so for /var/tmp
15:30<lsj4l5d>just to be sure, if i do an 'apt-get --reinstall install' for all packages i've installed, then all files should be back on my system, shouldn't they?
15:30<lsj4l5d>even (config-)files that are created in {post,pre}inst scripts?
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15:33<fxiny>lsj4l5d: i can try to reproduce it on my spare box . so srm -r -d /tmp/.* as root while running it ? and then reboot ?
15:33<dondelelcaro>lsj4l5d: no.
15:33<dondelelcaro>lsj4l5d: you'll have to use the confmiss option if you want them back; /msg dpkg confmiss;
15:34<lsj4l5d>fxiny: yes, abort the xrm -r -d /tmp/.* after ca. 20secs
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15:38<fxiny>wt4x : srm ?
15:39<lsj4l5d>fxiny: srm is in the package secure-delete
15:39<lsj4l5d>yes, srm not xrm
15:39<lsj4l5d>but i guess that srm takes the oldest files first, like normal rm does. is that correct?
15:39<fxiny>command not found : where is it ?
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15:40<lsj4l5d>fxiny: srm is in the package secure-delete
15:40<fxiny>found it
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15:43<lsj4l5d>fxiny: thanks a lot
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15:43<fxiny>lsj4l5d: it deletes the hell !
15:43<lsj4l5d>dondelelcaro: thanks for your great help
15:44<fxiny>lsj4l5d: i can replace it in 3 minutes
15:44<fxiny>is rebooting
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15:45<lsj4l5d>'m just rerunning apt-get --reinstall install with -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" for all installed packages, let's see whether that one helps
15:45<fxiny>lsj4l5d: dead : is a kde box . kdm can't log in
15:46<lsj4l5d>fxiny: yes, same here. gdm doesn't start
15:46<lsj4l5d>but root login on console does still work?
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15:47<fxiny>kdm starts but can't login : super combo killer :P
15:47<fxiny>f* hell !
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15:48<fxiny>lsj4l5d: tmp is drwx only
15:49<lsj4l5d>ok, so same issue as here. now the question is why is this the case?
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15:50<fxiny>chmoding it dont' give any chanche to log ing via kdm
15:51<lsj4l5d>and login as root works? what does 'su <username>' give from root prompt?
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15:51<fxiny>lemme overwite some dir from the clone on the primary hd
15:51<lsj4l5d>yes, thanks a lot for your help!
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15:58<istoc>Hi guys, quick question: in fluxbox, how do I remove the little tab attached to the top left side of the window bar?
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16:00<fxiny>lsj4l5d: no luck . replacing backups
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16:01<lsj4l5d>fxiny: thanks anyway.
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16:02<ircMonkey>I want to retrive the media (sound) file of here:
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16:02<ircMonkey>I thought firefox should put it in cache somewhere
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16:03<lsj4l5d>ircMonkey: is it a stream?
16:03<fxiny>lsj4l5d: np
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16:03<ircMonkey>But I can't find it nether in .mozilla/../Cache nor in /tmp
16:03<ircMonkey>so where could it be?
16:03<ircMonkey>lsj4l5d: yes
16:04<ircMonkey>lsj4l5d: it is flash
16:04<ircMonkey>pure flash
16:04<ircMonkey>no media file I could find the url
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16:05<ircMonkey>but it should be put in cache somewhere. No?
16:05<lsj4l5d>ircMonkey: 'wget'
16:05<lsj4l5d>ircMonkey: if you check the source code of your url, you'll find the reference to the flash file 'instantsou.swf'.
16:05<lsj4l5d>use the command above from a terminal to download the stream
16:05<ircMonkey>yes but I can't read the flash file after that
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16:07<lsj4l5d>yes, you can. try gnash or swfdec-player (packages gnash & swfdec-gnome)
16:07<ircMonkey>damed it's been played by mplayer!!
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16:08<lsj4l5d>also see the package swftools, which contains swfextract. from description: "swfextract allows to extract Movieclips, Sounds, Images etc. from SWF files."
16:08<ircMonkey>lsj4l5d: by the way dit you ever succeed to use the tools you spoke about?
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16:08<lsj4l5d>but if mplayer plays the file, you can use mencoder to recode it to mpeg or whatever you want
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16:09<ircMonkey>lsj4l5d: yes that perfect, thanks
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16:09<lsj4l5d>i never tried swftools, but swfdec is a pretty good free flash player, which is even capable of playing youtube videos in fullscreen mode since last release.
16:09<ircMonkey>is it in debian repos?
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16:10<ircMonkey>I did already used swftools with no much succes
16:10<ircMonkey>lsj4l5d: juste one more question
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16:10<lsj4l5d>if you want to use a free alternative to the adobe firefox flash plugin, you should try both swfdec-mozilla and mozilla-plugin-gnash. both are available in debian/main
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16:11<lsj4l5d>but you should use latest packages from debian/unstable, as both projects are developed pretty actively
16:12<ircMonkey>lsj4l5d: I do someting and I come back in a minute
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16:13<fxiny>lsj4l5d: / backup replaced , /home was untouched , it runs fine now , overwriting /lib did almost nothing
16:13<fxiny>so is no just /lib
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16:14<lsj4l5d>fxiny: too bad. but i guess it's actually /var, as many services fail to start with errormessages that mention /lib
16:14<lsj4l5d>argh, mention /var, not /lib
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16:14<fxiny>going now
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16:16<lsj4l5d>now >apt-get --reinstall install with -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss"< finished for all installed packages, unfortunately still the same issues
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16:17<lsj4l5d>trying to reboot again. c u
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16:18<ircMonkey>I'am back... still something I can't do.
16:18<ircMonkey>the swf file that is interesting is
16:18<ircMonkey>But the media part should be put in cache somewhere??
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16:21<bomoi>test test kurze nickprobe
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16:40<Nazcafan>why on earth does apt-get autoremove want to get rid of texlive-lang-french package?
16:40<Nazcafan>I really need it
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16:42<dondelelcaro>Nazcafan: because you've marked it as automatically installed. run aptitude unmarkauto texlive-lang-french; or similar.
16:43<Nazcafan>dondelelcaro, I have no memory of marking it as automatically installed, how may have done such a thing?
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16:44<Gathond>Nazcafan: you might have installed something which required it, and later removed that
16:44<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, resolution is How fine the pixels are. The higher the resolution, the more pixels that can be squeezed onto a screen, thereby giving the appearance that the pictures on your screen are smaller without losing any detail. Because the pictures are smaller you now have room to place more on your screen.. Use ctrl-alt-numpad_plus/minus to change it. Or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or man xrandr, or see hwinfo, or ask me about drxx
16:44<dondelelcaro>Nazcafan: if you didn't actually ask for it to be installed explicitely, it was automatically installed
16:44<Gathond>so the package is not specifically requested by you and no longer required, hence it is deemed to be unimportant and not used
16:45<Nazcafan>I might have installed a full texlive and have got rid of a meta package
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16:47<Nazcafan>dondelelcaro, do all package managers behave that way?
16:48<Nazcafan>apt, aptitude, synaptic?
16:48<dondelelcaro>Nazcafan: apt and aptitude do now, yes.
16:48*dondelelcaro doesn't know about synaptic, but would presume so
16:48<Nazcafan>dondelelcaro, ok, I guess synaptic pretty much uses apt
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16:53<Nazcafan>dondelelcaro, I tried aptitude unmarkauto concerned package but it responds by trying to remove all the auto marked packages, include the one I ask to be spared
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16:54<maxb__> I don't know about aptitude, but "apt-get install texlive-lang-french" should have the desired effect
16:55<dondelelcaro>Nazcafan: all that should do is mark that package as manually installed.
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16:55<dondelelcaro>(if it's doing more than that, you've got actions queued; run aptitude keep-all;)
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17:07<not4u>any way to have a second panel on monitor 2? just a taskbar/time&date/etc?
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17:10<not4u>any way to have a second panel on monitor 2? just a taskbar/time&date/etc?
17:10<Nazcafan>dondelelcaro, I dit run aptitude keep-all, but now no package is candidate for autoremove
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17:12<dondelelcaro>Nazcafan: so that's fine.
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17:13<Nazcafan>dondelelcaro, I only wanted to avoid uninstalling some texlive packages but some others, as gcc 4.2, are useless
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17:14<dondelelcaro>Nazcafan: so open up the aptitude curses interface, deselect the packages and metapackages that you don't want, and select the packages you do
17:15<Nazcafan>mhh, too late don't remember them all, appart from system-tools-backend and gcc4.2 smallah
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17:27<Nazcafan>is type-handling necessary for my system?
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17:35<Guy>i need some help
17:35<Guy>if anyone has some spare time
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18:19<klimy>i recently installed windows vista on my previous hdb. i needed to switch it to hda. thus now i have two os which think they are installed on hda.
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18:20<klimy>i need to switch the cables for them to work both. is there some kind of workaround?
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18:20<dih>workaround to what?
18:20<dih>switching cables?
18:20<dih>what's wrong with them being hda
18:21<klimy>yeah. i mean primary and secondary sata
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18:21<klimy>do you understand my problem?
18:21<dih>not really
18:21<dih>i understand what i think you said, and dont see a prob :-P
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18:22<klimy>well i had a debian installed on my first hd which was plugged into my primary sata slot.
18:22<klimy>then i needed vista. vista wanted to be pluged in into the primary sata thus i switched my second hd to this slot.
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18:23<klimy>i can start windows and i can start debian but i need to switch both disk for this.
18:23<klimy>is there a way to tell both disks that they are on primary sata?
18:24<dih>i am not familiar with vista and it's boot loader
18:24<klimy>depending on what system is booted?
18:24<dih>really sorry, perhaps someone else around can help there
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18:26<westk>i'm old school, and don't "get" SATA yet, but if it were IDE, you could put Vista on IDE0/0 - hda and Debian on IDE1/0 - hdc, and the modify the entries in Debian's /etc/fstab accordingly, and then reinstall grub/lilo on /dev/hda, but with SATA, I'm just not sure.
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18:27<dih>does vista work with grub?
18:27<dih>i heared rumors that there were issues with other boot loaders / managers
18:27<petemc>it does, of course
18:27<westk>Rather, does grub work with Vista, and I THINK so, but I'm not positive. I've done very little with Vista, and most of that in VirtualBox on top of Debian.
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18:28<dih>i have dont a lot with vista.... like running away
18:28<westk>Hi digitaloktay
18:28<westk>ha ha
18:29<digitaloktay>when switch kde4 into unstable(sid)
18:29<westk>That's why I run Windows in a virtual environment; I don't need it often, and I hate to reboot to get to it.
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18:29<dih>(i use os x on my laptop... nice gui, powerful console...)
18:30<westk>digitaloktay: I don't know, but I tried KDE4 a bit on a LiveCD, and my first 5 minutes I thought I liked it. But the longer I used it the more frustrated I became with it.
18:30<digitaloktay>now i am use kde3.5.9 with sid
18:30<westk>Yeah, I've got a MacBook that I use for laptop use; it "just works". But for everything else, I'm all Debian.
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18:31<westk>I'd use Debian on the MacBook if all the features worked, especially sleep/suspend/hibernate, and perhaps I could get it working, but I'm just too lazy anymore to fight it.
18:31<westk>Greetings, dahu
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18:31<westk>By, daffyz
18:31<dih>i have a 12" powerbook g4, my servers run debian
18:31<westk>oops, by dahu
18:31<westk>oops, bye dahu
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18:32<dih>i also considered debian on the powerbook, but i much prefer the interface of os x
18:32<westk>I wasn't really happy with the performance of the PowerBooks; it wasn't until the MacBooks that I felt they were snappy enough for usage.
18:32<dih>good night
18:32<westk>good night.
18:32<daffyz>plop westk
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18:33<westk>sorry, daffyz; I thought I was saying "bye" to dahu, and I used tab-completion after he had already exited and i hit ENTER before I noticed that your name had been auto-completed. My bad.
18:34<westk>(Of course, you probably can't read this, if "plop" means you've blocked me. D'oh!)
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18:36<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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18:38<dario>someone knows how to edit the debian preseed??
18:38<dario>someone knows how to edit the debian preseed??
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18:38<dpkg>[preseed] a method of doing a remote network installation, or, or
18:38<abrotman>what about it?
18:39<abrotman>there's a chunk the install guide too
18:40<dario>i want to edit the machine name, exactly, change the default name debian for another one
18:40<dario>hello _ZeuZ_
18:40<digitaloktay>my favorite debian is unstable :D
18:41<westk>dario: edit /etc/hostname
18:41<abrotman>in the preseed
18:41<westk>dario: there may be other references elsewhere to the computer name,, but that's the biggie.
18:41<abrotman>NOT HELPING
18:41<_ZeuZ_>dario, howdy
18:42<dario>but in the preconfiguration file i don't found any line for do it
18:42<westk>oh... you mean so it comes up as something different during the installation process. Nope, sorry; don't have a clue.
18:43<dario>_ZeuZ_, hello, i am working in the preseeding again
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18:43<dario>by default the machine name is 'debian'
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18:44<dpkg>use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
18:44<abrotman>amphi: preseed!
18:44<daffyz>westk, aoh okay. worry about this. there is no problem. just i friend and we use "plop" to say "hello" or "hi" ;)
18:44<daffyz>friend --> french (oupss)
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18:44<daffyz>i'm french (!#)
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18:44<westk>daffyz: thanx for the 'splanation. plop to y'all, too.
18:45<abrotman>westk: try #debian-offtopic
18:45<westk>i'm Texan.
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18:47<dario>abrotman, thanks
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18:50<luna>alguien me puede decir algun manual para entender linux por lo menos la instalacio
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18:51<_ZeuZ_>luna, aca se habla ingles
18:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:52<_ZeuZ_>o mejor anda a freenode en #debian-es
18:52*_ZeuZ_ goes away to give support to a friend
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18:53<luna>pero como mucho aleman nene
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19:23<hachi>anyone know when linux (the kernel) got the ability to resize ext3 filesystems online?
19:23<hachi>debian's resize2fs manpage says it's available in the current 2.6...but I don't know when the manpage was written
19:23<abrotman>probably ask #kernel-newbies
19:23<hachi>I've been asking around, people keep telling me to switch to xfs
19:23<abrotman>erm .. wrong channel ?
19:24<hachi>I'm asking because debian packages kernels
19:24<abrotman>right .. but you're asking about the kernel
19:25<hachi>figured maybe there was a chance... you know, since nobody else has a clue
19:25<abrotman>google found that
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19:25<hachi>been googling for a while now
19:25<abrotman>and that's dated 2006
19:26<hachi>yeah, but it doesn't say if it was applied
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19:26<abrotman> - remove ext2resize from package, because the online resizing
19:26<abrotman> functionality has been merged into resize2fs since version 1.39
19:26<abrotman> and ext2resize is unmaintained.
19:26<abrotman>dated Fri Jan 19 2007
19:26<abrotman>hachi: got enough yet ?
19:26<hachi>not really... I'm still trying to find out if 2.6.18 supports online resize
19:27<hachi>I was already aware that resize2fs was the proper tool
19:27<abrotman>i'd say yes
19:27<abrotman>you could check the etch documentation
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19:29<abrotman>apparently even the installer can resize under certain circumstances
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19:30<hachi>now I get to figure out why it's broken for me
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19:35<whiskthec>can anyone help me out with trying to get an old toshiba 320ct laptop to display at 1024x600
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19:47<marcot>Hello there.
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20:26<marcot>I've installed skype package from , and when I run dpkg -l skype, it says ii for it, but I can't remove it with aptitude or apt-get.
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20:27<marcot>marcot@quindinho:~/Modelos/debian/gtk2hs/0.9.13/6.8.2$ LANG=C sudo aptitude remove skype
20:27<marcot>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "skype"
20:27<themill>marcot: you can use: dpkg -r skype
20:27<marcot>themill: thanks. It worked.
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20:31<Golfgeo>Hi all
20:31<marcot>Iceweasel is broken in sid, or is it just me?
20:31<marcot>Not iceweasel only, gecko..
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20:33<abrotman>need more details ?
20:34<marcot>No, I just want to make sure it's not a local problem..
20:34<abrotman>we won't know unless you give us more details
20:34<Golfgeo>Got a small hickup with my Nvidia speed quest... nvidia-glx in testing doesn't have a package it depends on, whats wrong?
20:35<abrotman>nvidia in lenny is busticated
20:35<Golfgeo>ah :-(
20:35<Golfgeo>Whil it be solved any time soon?
20:36<Golfgeo>btw, whats the name of the current stable release?
20:36<marcot>abrotman: I run iceweasel and got tons of ** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1) and then seg fault after some seconds.
20:36<abrotman>tried using safe mode? or moving ~/.mozilla/ ?
20:38<marcot>Actually I haven't... But now I just regreted moving to sid, and changed my sources.list to lenny, and reverted iceweasel, so I can't test. But thanks anyway. =)
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20:43<Golfgeo>abrotman: Does the nvidia-glx and needed kernel-module work in unstable? (Can always upgrade kernel and other needed stuff to unstable and run a mixed system)
20:43<abrotman>i think that's the current method
20:45<Golfgeo>abrotman: your last comment is a reply to my last question?
20:45<abrotman>i think you get the nvidia bits from unstable
20:46<Golfgeo>Great, thanks mate :-)
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20:48<Golfgeo>gonna do it another day, after my last exam of the season, but stil. Thanks for the help :-)
20:48<Golfgeo>gtg. Off off and away!
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20:51<marcot>abrotman: same problem after moving ~/.mozilla
20:51<abrotman>i thought you downgraded ?
20:51<marcot>abrotman: I upgraded again to test.
20:51<abrotman>you mean to unstable ?
20:52<marcot>abrotman: sure.
20:52<abrotman>okay .. check the BTS i suppose
20:52<marcot>abrotman: iceweasel 3.0~rc2-2
20:52<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
20:53<marcot>abrotman: I'll take a look.
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21:01<kevin>Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew of a way to search etch-backports using the terminal and apt-cache search?
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21:02<abrotman>if it's in your sources .. it will search it
21:04<ameyer>assuming you've updated your apt database since you added it to sources.list
21:05<kevin>It's there.
21:05<kevin>I guess the package just isn't in backports then?
21:06<abrotman>which package ?
21:07<abrotman>in etch it is bcm43xx-fwcutter
21:07<kevin>I know.
21:08<abrotman>i think it uses the same firmware for both b43 and bcm43xx
21:08<kevin>The extraction of the firmware doesn't work with bcm.
21:08<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>Is there any way to defragment my ext3 drive?
21:08<dpkg>well, defrag is generally not needed in linux. or or a respawn in a multiplayer game
21:08<abrotman>kevin: define doesn't work ?
21:09<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>generally not needed
21:09<abrotman>kevin: you're saying the firmware won't download/extract? or it just doesn't work with b43 ?
21:09<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>my disk is practically full and with tons of small files
21:09<kevin>The firmware tries to grab the firmware from sourceforge, then tries to extract, but fails.
21:09<kevin>At first I thought it was because bzip2 wasn't working, but that was installed.
21:10<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>Also, what is the command to determine disk fragmentation?
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21:12<kevin>abrotman: I'm sorry, bzip2 wasn't installed, I didin't mean to say it wasn't working. When I ran testing, it worked, also with unstable. However, in etch, it just doesn't seem to respond to any troubleshooting that I've tried.
21:13<abrotman>so it is or isn't working ?
21:15<kevin>abrotman: It's not working, no.
21:15<kevin>The extraction, I mean.
21:15<abrotman>so bcm43xx-fwcutter fails .. tried to strace it ?
21:15<kevin>It's only the firmware extraction that's not working.
21:15<kevin>abrotman: I'm not familiar with that term.
21:17<abrotman>strace <command>
21:20<kevin>abrotman: It's 404 not found for the firmware.
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21:21<abrotman>if you know where to download it manually .. you can put it where it expects it
21:22<ameyer>might also be worth filing a bug report with the correct link
21:22*ameyer assumes the fwcutter thing has source code avaliable
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21:25<abrotman>fwcutter is a script
21:25<ameyer>and, if I understand what "contrib" means, I'd be correct
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21:26<ameyer>which would be something like "free software that needs non-free crap to work"
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21:28<kevin>abrotman & ameyer: I'll file that bug, but I need your guys' help. Could you recommend a graphical web browser for a P3 64MB Ram system?
21:28<abrotman>need flash ?
21:28<kevin>Actually, I didn't even think that'd be possible on this system.
21:29*ameyer suggests dillo, but dillo is graphival for extremely small values of graphical
21:30<ameyer>for what it's worth, I used Iceweasel on my old laptop (P3-500, 128 MB of RAM) and it worked surprisingly well
21:30<abrotman>i'd go dillo
21:31<hachi>does fakechroot variant of debootstrap work currently?
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21:57<client>hi, i once got info on how to change the info in iceweasel in this room, like build number and such. can someone tell me what to type in the address bar to get that again?
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22:06<Nemoder>debian-multimedia and lenny share the same package names, how do I setup pinning to prefer lenny?
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22:08<Nemoder>ahh origin nm
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23:28<stevecotton>Vi^3PP: is your IP?
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23:31<stevecotton>It looks like standard spam to me, with the trojaned machine being the one on
23:32<stevecotton>What makes you think it's coming from your box?
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23:40<Vi^3PP>um its showing up in my sent folder and uploading to the gmail servers
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23:43<philsf>in the past 3 days I've been targetted by several ssh brute-force attempts (always caught in time by fail2ban). Aside from the ubiquitous vain attempts on supposedly priviledged accounts (admin, root, etc, which are disabled by default or by me for login), I've been getting a large ammount of attempts at accounts "lp" and "proftpd". Are there any new/zero day vulns in these services? I didn't get a DSA for these recently
23:45<stevecotton>the sent folder on your machine, or the sent folder on gmail?
23:46<Vi^3PP>but let me double check gmails servers
23:46<stevecotton>ok, I take back my analysis. Kindly ignore me.
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23:47<Vi^3PP>yes both stevecotton
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23:48<enouf>stevecotton: Vi^3PP is getting tons of help over on Freenode's #debian
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23:48<blarson>philsf: I've been getting brute-force ssh attacks for years. I'm not worried about them.
23:49<Vi^3PP>stew and donde... were basically blowing me off enouf yes in freenode
23:49<Vi^3PP>donde more so than stew
23:49<enouf>i don't think so .. though whatever
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23:52<philsf>blarson: well, it really jumped from half a dozen per week, to a dozen per day, so it caught my attention. And even more interesring, in at least one ocasion I can pinpoint attacks coming from different IPs, trying the same login (lp), in a very short timespan (minutes)
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23:53<philsf>one ip was blocked at 10:24, another 11:03 and the third at 11:07. Each ip, different country
23:53<blarson>philsf: sounds like an attack from a botnet.
23:54<philsf>and the worst: I can't trust my users to have nice strong passwds
23:54<Vi^3PP>you can force users to use them and make them change them at whatever interval you need to philsf
23:54<Vi^3PP>thats an easy admin thing to set up
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23:55<philsf>Vi^3PP: in login.defs?
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23:57<blarson>I've never seen them attack a valid account other than root, which can't ssh in.
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