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00:00<philsf>blarson: what do you do? blacklist the offender ips?
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00:04<philsf>vi³ thanks
00:04<philsf>lol... deadkeys
00:05<Vi^3PP>i use otr and agp
00:05<Vi^3PP>to help develop passwords ... they are very configurable
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00:06<Vi^3PP>and i someone uses bcrypt or fuse to encrypt files they could make a list of them and then cross them off as the go down the list
00:07<Vi^3PP>there is also a stand alone java program that makes passwords based on the otr principle but i dont know how reliable it is ... i really dont trust java to help maintain security
00:07<Vi^3PP>stevecotton: so what is your verdict on this ... stew thinks it is just a misfiling of spam and that it was not sent by claws at all...
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00:08<Vi^3PP>claws by default for me is set to sign all my email and i am offline most of the time so i have to actually login to imap to send mail too
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00:12<Vi^3PP>philsf: if your environ is kde .. you can set users passwords to expire at certain intervals.. limit how many changes they can make at one time, etc... im sure there are cli functions but i dont knwo what they are
00:12<Vi^3PP>kuser would be the program to use for frontend in that case
00:14<philsf>Vi^3PP: there's no GUI there. users access mainly from MUAs (pop3) or squirrelmail
00:15<Vi^3PP>i like mutt
00:15<Vi^3PP>i might just dump claws for it instead
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00:19<philsf>perhaps OT, but: in the shell, ^U kills everything backwards, ^K everything onwards, ^w word backwards - how do I kill words onwards?
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00:25<peterS>philsf: in bash, alt-d
00:25<peterS>or more precisely, meta-d
00:25<Vi^3PP>peterS: cool.. it works perfect in zsh too
00:25<Vi^3PP>new toys today
00:26<philsf>peterS: great, thanks. strange it's the only non ctrl one, but hey, who's complaining, right?
00:27<peterS>philsf: it isn't the only non-ctrl one, at least in bash. for example, alt-c capitalizes the current word
00:27<peterS>(or alt-u to put the next words in all-caps, or alt-l for all-lowercase)
00:28<philsf>peterS: where can I get a list of them?
00:28<peterS>philsf: I use alt-f (next word) and alt-b (previous word) all the time
00:28<philsf>peterS: please, don't stop. I'm writing it all down
00:29<peterS>philsf: 'man readline' for bash shows all the default keybindings
00:29<philsf>peterS: thanks
00:29<peterS>philsf: it has a lot of extraneous info, you can scroll down to "EDITING COMMANDS" to get to the interesting part
00:29<Vi^3PP>ya ty peterS :)
00:30<Vi^3PP>between vi/m and zsh i am learning a lot lately and starting to pratice on disecting scripts
00:30<peterS>philsf: zsh does not use readline, but I guess a lot of readline commands are imitated by zsh, so.
00:31<philsf>peterS: oh, I'm happy enough with bash
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00:36<Vi^3PP>zsh supports the same "rules" as bash, tcsh, ksh, csh
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00:36<Vi^3PP>some things need slight tweaking but not many
00:36<Vi^3PP>i like how grml uses it for its interactivity and data
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00:49<el_isma>Hello. Python-setuptools fails to install. Anyone else has this problem?
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02:22<kerz>evolution works with yahoo,hotmail and all that right? i dunno nothing about it
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02:52<theimrot>i have problems with the fqdn, my systems sends automatical emails to my accound gmx, and it comes with an mailer-deamon back, how can switch off that?
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03:03<jeeves>can anyone here help me figure out why my copy of Gnome keeps randomly freezing?
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03:24<josh>HeLP i cant get this xml background transition trick to work
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03:25<Guest2993>it's this trick :
03:26<dih>what permissions do you have on that file?
03:26<Guest2993>i'm not sure, how do i find out?
03:27<dih>ls -lah
03:27<dih>did you read through the comments on that page?
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03:28<dih>wrong paste
03:28<dih>"Okay dude i got it. <ake sure you alter the XML file to your desktop. You have to change all the "/usr/share/backgrounds/crunchybranch/" to whatever location you8 have it in"
03:28<Guest2993>it has my user listed
03:29<Guest2993>yeah i just put it in /usr/share/backgrouond....
03:29<dih>you should have something like -r--r--r-- listed in the beginning of the line
03:29<dih>did you untar?
03:31<dih>did you do what i just pasted?
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03:32<not4u>anyone up?
03:32<not4u>i'm logged in as a user. any way to shutdown without using sudo?
03:33<dih>nice answer jm_ :-P
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03:36<Guest2993>sorry dih i was looking up something
03:37<Guest2993>here's my xml :
03:38<Guest2993>which is located in /user/share/backgrounds/crunchybranch
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03:45<dih>and you can view files like /usr/share/backgrounds/crunchybranch/crunchybranch_01.png
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03:46<kris>hey, if I have a directory, and it has files in it, and I mount a filesystem on it also, will it list both sets of files?
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03:47<bleck>hmm.. this channel seems quiet today.
03:47<blarson>kris: no, you won't be able to access the files from the original directory.
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03:48<bleck>blarson: so they'll just be totally invisible?
03:48<dih>as you mounted you will only see the files of the mount
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03:48<bleck>what if I had files open already?
03:49<bleck>I wonder if it could still read them once mounted.
03:49<blarson>bleck: they stay open.
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03:49<bleck>because the program would directly access the inode?
03:49<blarson>bleck: same as if you deleted them after you opened them.
03:50<dih>just try it :-P
03:50<dih>create an image with dd
03:50<bleck>this seems a peculiar part of linux to me.
03:51<jm_>it isn't
03:51<dih>and create a temp folder
03:51<bleck>or unix I should say
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03:51<bleck>do directories have inodes?
03:51<InboX>French ?
03:51<dih>ls -i will show you
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03:52<bleck>ok, thanks
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05:09<jeeves>can I get a hand mounting an external USB drive please. It's telling me that I need to force mount the NTFS partition
05:10<jm_>what is the exact message?
05:11<jeeves>jm_, $log file says unclean shut down
05:13<jm_>jeeves: right, you better fix it in Windows first
05:13<jeeves>jm_, don't really want to reboot into windows though
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05:13<jm_>jeeves: are you trying to mount it rw?
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05:14<jeeves>jm_, yes. I'd like to be able to RW it
05:14<jm_>jeeves: I advise not to
05:14<jeeves>jm_, hummmm, is there anyway that I can use this external 160Gb drive as a RW then?
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05:15<jm_>jeeves: well the better option would be to use fat32 on it if you want to read/write in Linux and Windows - or ext2/3
05:15<jeeves>well, FAT32 isn't really an option. I don't have that much space to revert the disk
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05:16<jm_>well then either fsck it in windows or force it and suffer the consequences
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05:17<jeeves>jm_, ok, how about my GPS, cna you give me a hand getting it configured to be PNP?
05:18<jm_>jeeves: what do you mean with that?
05:18<jeeves>jm_, I have a USB GPS, and I'd like to have it auto detect when I plug it in so I don't have to type in a set of commands to be able to use it with GPSdrive or Kismet
05:19<jm_>jeeves: right, you can do that using udev
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05:20<jeeves>jm_, I'm new to it, can you give me an example?
05:21<jm_>jeeves: no, it's specific to each device, start by reading "Writing udev rules" document
05:21<jeeves>jm_, ok, thanks
05:21<jm_>then if you have problems I can help with technicalities
05:22<MrNaz`>i have a debian fresh install with only the server option installed... i its refusing ssh connections, what package do i need to install to provide ssh access? openssh?
05:22<jm_>!tell MrNaz` -about search
05:23<MrNaz`>jm_ i've serached... ssh finds about 30 packages
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05:23<jm_>MrNaz`: how about "ssh server" then?
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05:24<MrNaz`>down to about 50
05:24<jm_>there you go
05:24<MrNaz`>look, if you don't know / don't want to tell me, stfu
05:24<jm_>look, if you aren't prepared to put in some effor switch to windows
05:25<MrNaz`>looks like i came when the teenagers are in here
05:25<MrNaz`>i'll come back later
05:25<themill>MrNaz`: we expect people to try to help themselves
05:25<MrNaz`>themill i've done an apt-cache search, i want to know if its openssh-server, lsh-server or some other one i dont know about
05:25<Wesley>Our server has multiple IP's binded, i'm trying to bind ssh to only one IP. I tried ListenAddress <ip> in /etc/ssh/sshd_config but it still allows ssh login from ALL ip's
05:26<Wesley>(also did a restart of the sshd service)
05:26<themill>MrNaz`: So why didn't you ask that to begin with?
05:26<jm_>Wesley: well that could be because it's reachable on that address from your clients
05:26<MrNaz`>themill because i didnt anticipate teenage pedants responding?
05:26<themill>MrNaz`: When you come in here sounding like you want to be spoonfed and sounding like you've not made any attempt to help yourself, you will be told to rtfm every time.
05:26<jm_>Wesley: in any case, netstat will show you which address it's listening on
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05:27<themill>MrNaz`: btw insulting people who are trying to help you won't get you very far
05:27<jm_>mr spoonfeedme keeps ranting I see
05:27<MrNaz`>themill i almost always rtfm first, and then google, and then read the man pages
05:27<Wesley>jm_, sshd 6752 root 3u IPv6 177814155 TCP *:ssh (LISTEN)
05:27<MrNaz`>themill jm_ is making no attempt to help me, thus i am unconcerned if he cuts off communication with me
05:27<themill>MrNaz`: It's just a question of asking smart questions -- *you* might do that, but 90%+ of the people who come in here don't.
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05:28<Wesley>that mean's its still listening to all IP's
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05:28<jm_>Wesley: that's all addresses - did you restarts sshd?
05:29<themill>MrNaz`: We get hundreds of people per day come in and say "My wireless no workie. HELP ME FUXX0RS!!!1!" and expect help. You sounded awfully like one of them when you first came in...
05:29<Wesley>Oh wait, man ssh_config shows I should use BindAddress
05:29<jm_>Wesley: no, man sshd_config
05:29<Wesley>That's the one I mean sorry, typo
05:29<Wesley>strange, I used to ise ListenAddress on other machines
05:29<jm_>sshd doesn't even have BindAddress option
05:30<themill>MrNaz`: But as for sshd vs lshd; I've never actually come across anyone using lshd. Everyone seems content with openssh-server.
05:30<Wesley>maybe it's time to update
05:30<jm_>BindAddress is client specific
05:30<MrNaz`>themill i understand that, but you then have to understand how people like me get upset when i get immediately lumped in a box with them
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05:30<Wesley> Use the specified address on the local machine as the source address of the connection. Only useful on systems
05:30<Wesley> with more than one address. Note that this option does not work if UsePrivilegedPort is set to ``yes''.
05:30<Wesley>Argh, sorry didn't mean to paste that :<
05:30<jm_>yes exactly, as the *source* address
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05:31<Wesley>It is the source, right? My english ain't too great so I might misunderstand what it says exactly
05:31<jm_>no, you want ListenAddress
05:32<MrNaz`>themill oh... and just so as you know... i asked the *exact* same question in freenode, got the answer more or less instantly. i just objected to jm_ sanctimonious pedantry
05:32<jeeves>jm_, ok, I'm lost on how to make the GPS use the same port (ie. /dev/tty/usb1)
05:32<themill>dpkg: tell MrNaz` about multiple ask
05:32<themill>MrNaz`: please don't ask in two places at once. That just wastes our time and is selfish.
05:32<jm_>jeeves: which port does it get by default?
05:33<jeeves>jm_, I'm not sure. this is a laptop, so I'll be plugging differen't things in @ diffren't times
05:33<jm_>jeeves: ok in that case you'll need an udev rule to make a symlink to whichever device file it gets, say /dev/usbthingy
05:33<themill>MrNaz`: You also didn't ask exactly the same question on freenode, you asked a better question.
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05:33<jm_>or rather gpsthingy
05:34<jeeves>jm_, can you humour me tonight and just tell me what I need to do? it's 2:30am here
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05:34<jm_>jeeves: you need to read that document and write a rule for it, udevinfo will also show you the attributes you want to match on
05:35<Wesley>jm_: In that case.. it doesn't seem to take the ListenAddress doesn't seem to work - here is the config file
05:35<themill>MrNaz`: our impression of you is formed by your first few sentences. Ask a bad question and then complain that the search gave lots of answers and you couldn't be bothered to look at them yourself and you will just piss people off every time. And you were lucky that wols didn't just tell you about search on freenode too.
05:35<jm_>Wesley: is it a valid address? did you restart it? did you check logfiles? tried sshd -D -dd?
05:36<jm_>Wesley: dude, # This is the ssh client system-wide configuration file. See
05:36<jm_>Wesley: you are editing the wrong file
05:36<Wesley>Oh, right
05:36<Wesley>heh, wow.
05:36*Wesley hides a bit in a dark corner
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05:36<themill>dpkg: comfort Wesley
05:36<dpkg>There, there, Wesley. It's OK. I'm here for you.
05:37<Wesley>I'm really sorry hehe. oh. bah
05:37<themill>Wesley: very easy to do... I was wondering why my changes to a latex package weren't working out the other day until I realised I was editing the version in a different directory.... :(
05:39<Wesley>hehe :(
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05:47<jeeves>jm_, I remember the last time I had this working, it was mapping to a port (ie., and I could get Kismet, and gpsd to work from it. the more I read, the more confused I'm getting
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05:52<jm_>jeeves: that part comes after gpsd knows which device to talk to
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06:04<neko>is someone had install imagemagick php on a etch server ?
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06:07<SlayerXP>neko: no, no-one has ever attempted to do that
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06:09<neko>i mean here, and right now
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06:11<neko>i have only the 8BIM format supported with it...
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06:19<themill>neko: I presume you have php5-imagick installed. (or php4-imagick it you're using php4)
06:19<neko>maybe this package is way to old ?
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06:21<themill>too old for what?
06:21<seanius>neko: restart apache/apache2 and check the output of phpinfo()?
06:22<seanius>or is the problem that it works but doesn't support some certain feature you want
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06:25<tenzind>hi .. is there something like flushing away the DNS record from a Desktop computer on a network ?
06:26<petemc>the flushdns thing on windows flushes the cache, there is no cache on linux by default
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06:27<tenzind>i cant view someones site and I am asked to flush my DNS cache .. I am on Lenny .. :)
06:27<petemc>whats the domain?
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06:30<petemc>tenzind: works here, but did fail the first time i tried, install dnsutils and try something liek dig +trace
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06:31<tenzind>what ip does it resolv to?
06:31<petemc> 86400 IN A
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06:34<tenzind>petemc: thanks
06:34<neko>seanius: yep it works but it just only support 1 file format which is near useless :(
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06:34<eseom>I have big problem
06:34<eseom>anyone can help me?
06:35<neko>tell about it before
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06:35<eseom>hard disk's temp is going up to 45
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06:35<eseom>in my laptop
06:35<jm_>45C is nothing for a hard disk
06:36<neko>what jm_ said
06:36<eseom>so hot
06:36<neko>it's summer
06:36<eseom>summer yes
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06:36<eseom>but my laptop is summer too?
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06:37<eseom>thanks for any hint
06:37<eseom>debian lenny on sony laptop
06:37<neko>your hd was used to be cooler in the past ?
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06:38<eseom>around about 36 in windows xp
06:38<eseom>I didn't never feel hot
06:38<neko>i noticed the same hotness issue on laptop dealing with linux
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06:39<neko>i wonder if there is any solution about this else that having some laptop made for linux (eeepc...)
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06:40<eseom>I don't know
06:40<neko>checkout hdparm maybe there is some energy option
06:40<eseom>for example hdparm -H /dev/sda
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06:40<eseom>he said sda temp 46
06:41<eseom>need something like spin down it or...
06:41<eseom>no gettting more hot
06:41<neko>i think there is a kinda laptop-mode service
06:41<neko>for enabling energy economizing
06:43<eseom>installed laptop_mode tools
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06:43<eseom>and /etc/init.d/laptop-mode restart
06:44<eseom>/proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode is 0
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06:46<eseom>oh my
06:46<eseom>is going up 47
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06:46<cahoot> hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep level
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06:47<eseom>Advanced power management level: 254
06:47<eseom>any idea else or checklist?
06:48<eseom>my left pam is hot
06:48<neko>well i don't believ in power management on linux, same issue with my dell laptop
06:48<neko>never had try yet a laptop with good power management
06:48<cahoot>so you almost disabled power saving
06:49<neko>it would be intersting disabling it see if it work the same or worse.
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06:50<eseom>i'm newbie in linux
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06:50<eseom>Please some checklist or documents about it
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06:55<dih>what exactly?
06:55<dih>perhaps will help
06:56<dih>eseom: ^ for you!
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06:56<eseom>but I already search search search and search
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06:56<eseom>because my poor english and low skill
06:57<eseom>I have problems yet
06:57<dih>eseom: i still dont know what you are wanting to do
06:57<eseom>I use debian lenny in my laptop
06:57<jm_>the only difference would be if disk is powered off more in windows, otherwise it should be the same, there's nothing to it
06:57<dih>and as there are tons of help pages etc. it's hard to know which one will help
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06:58<eseom>hard temp so high and hot
06:58<eseom>that's all
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06:59<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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07:06<gawz>have a new sata western digital drive. install cd does not see it. what do i do?
07:07<gawz>asks for driver, but WD site does not support, sends me back to debian
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07:07<dih>does the bios see it?
07:07<gawz>not really
07:07<gawz>not sure
07:07<dih>is it an extra raid controller
07:08<gawz>ides are blank
07:08<jm_>gawz: which version of kernel?
07:08<dih>is your bios at all configured to use the on-board sata?
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07:08<jm_>etch should work with SATA drives without problems
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07:09<gawz>i had a sata in their prior and it worked for a while so i would say yes. just not this new one
07:09<jm_>check if relevant sata driver is loaded
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07:09<gawz>how do i chec relevcant sata drive?
07:09<jm_>lsmod|grep ata
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07:11<gawz>how do i do that with non formatted drive that cant be recognized. you mean use a cd only install to do it?
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07:13<gawz>im re-downloading the netinstall cd. all i see is the 386 version. isnt there a 686 version i should need?
07:13<jm_>you can do it in installer, switch to tty2
07:13<jm_>386 is fine
07:14<gawz>whats tty?
07:14<gawz>how do i switch to it?
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07:15<slicky>how do i forward udp packages via a socks5 proxy?
07:15<seanius>neko: ah, then your best bet is to upgrade to backports or testing maybe, or backport/compile it yourself
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07:28<client>when i try to install an add on for iceweasel i get an error saying there is inssuficient space... can someone tell me more about this error?
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07:32<peyman>hi everyone, i have a question about "squid" proxy server. the problem is that eventhough i set "acl LAN src" and "http_access allow LAN" but still other computers in lan cannot access the proxy. any idea why?
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07:33<jm_>peyman: what's the error message?
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07:34<peyman>"iceweasel configuerd to use a proxy server that is refusing connection"
07:34<peyman>i cannot telnet to the machine on the proxy port either
07:34<LSTP_Escola>BOm dia
07:34<jm_>check the IP squid is listening on
07:34<LSTP_Escola>Estou precisando de ajuda no lstp alguem pode me ajudar
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07:35<peyman>it's correct
07:35<peyman>it should be
07:35<peyman>i can use it on localhost, but not other machines
07:35<peyman>even on the localhost, if i say, it won't work
07:35<peyman>but with it works
07:36<peyman>btw, i'm on lenny
07:36<jm_>don't tell me what it should be, tell me what it is
07:36<peyman>it is!
07:36<jm_>prove it
07:37<jm_>because connection refused doesn't agree with you, or you have firewall enabled
07:37<jm_>netstat -nap|grep 8080
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07:38<peyman>tcp 0 0* LISTEN 4332/(squid)
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07:39<peyman>jm_: isn't it what it is supposed to be?
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07:40<slicky>udptunnel -c TCP-addr[/TCP-port] [-r] [-v] UDP-addr/UDP-port[/ttl] <-- can someone explain what this means?
07:40<jm_>paw: no
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07:40<jm_>peyman: no
07:40<peyman>jm_: oh, ok. so what am i doing wrong here?
07:41<gsimmons>peyman: You've bound Squid to localhost only. Check your http_port setting.
07:41<jm_>peyman: show me your http_port setting
07:42<client>if i want to add a .mozilla/plugins folder, where would this usually go?
07:42<jm_>client: surely you mean a directory?
07:42<client>yes jm
07:42<jm_>client: ~/.mozilla/plugins
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07:44<peyman>jm_: i changed the http_port to, but still i get connection refused
07:44<client>thanks jm_
07:45<peyman>this time even on localhost
07:45<jm_>peyman: you need to use locally now, test that first
07:46<peyman>jm_: ok, it works now
07:47<peyman>jm_: what should i do about the other machine on network?
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07:51<jm_>peyman: set the proxy and start using it?
07:51<peyman>jm_: yeah, i already did. but i cannot access from other machines on networks
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07:52<peyman>it works on the proxy server machine itself, but not any other machine
07:52<peyman>still "connection refused"
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07:52<jm_>peyman: can you try it with telnet?
07:53<peyman>jm_: yeah, i did. connection refused
07:53<peyman>netstat results is this now:
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07:53<peyman>tcp 0 0* LISTEN 5140/(squid)
07:53<peyman>tcp 0 0 TIME_WAIT -
07:53<peyman>tcp 0 0 TIME_WAIT -
07:54<jm_>peyman: that looks fine to me, is there firewall involved?
07:54<peyman>jm_: no :(
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07:55<jm_>peyman: are they linux machines?
07:55<peyman>jm_: yes
07:55<peyman>all debian lenny
07:55<jm_>peyman: can you try tcptraceroute?
07:55<peyman>jm_: sure
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07:57<peyman>jm_: hmm! that's weired! Destination host unreachable
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07:59<Jakoo>Hello everybody, I used to have a debian configured as a gw, I remember all the steps to configure it, but not the iptables rule. I've looked on the net but I've found I only this one: iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface eth2 -j MASQUERADE
08:00<Jakoo>I remember it was just only a rule, I use 10.x in eth2:0 and a static ip on eth2:1
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08:00<Jakoo>thanks in advance for any clue you may want to give me.
08:01<jm_>Jakoo: you can use ipmasq package
08:01<jm_>peyman: does ping work?
08:01<peyman>jm_: no, that was from ping
08:01<peyman>jm_: i cannot ping
08:01<jm_>peyman: ahh so there's something mor ebasic wrong
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08:03<peyman>jm_: i just forwarded the 8080 port to, now it works with the valid ip address, but not the internal one!
08:03<peyman>jm_: any idea why?
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08:04<Jakoo>jm_: thanks, I forgot the ACCEPT rule, now it works fine.
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08:09<jm_>peyman: it doesn't work from the local host?
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08:10<peyman>jm_: it works with localhost
08:10<jm_>peyman: so what is the problem then?
08:10<peyman>jm_: but doesn't work with on other machines in network
08:11<jm_>peyman: well maybe you should talk to your IT about that?
08:11<peyman>jm_: there is no IT. it's my home LAN!
08:12<peyman>jm_: do i need to configure anything on the router?
08:12<jm_>peyman: hmm how is it configured?
08:12<peyman>jm_: default configurations of Linksys
08:12<dih>yes - and we all know that out of the back of our headas
08:12<jm_>peyman: never used that
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08:14<peyman>jm_: mmm, which part of it do you want me to tell you?
08:14<neko>seanius: thanks, i will give it a try.
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08:17<peyman>jm_: i've got go, so maybe i'll try it later. thank you :-)
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08:21<eliteforce>hello, cdebootstrapping -f minimal unstable fails (on etch), is this due to bugs in unstable packages?
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08:23<eliteforce>WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! apt-utils | Failed to fetch bootstrap:/pool/main/a/apt/apt-utils_0.7.14+b1_i386.deb Hash Sum mismatch
08:23<eliteforce>I can provide the whole bootstrap.log file if needed
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09:01<joar>anybody know of any squid specific channels ?
09:02<dpkg>hmm... squid is the Squid Internet Object Cache, a caching web proxy server supporting HTTP, HTTPS, FTP and other protocols.,, /usr/share/doc/squid/* Ask me about <transparent proxy> and <squid deb caching>. #squid @
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09:11<joar>dpkg: thnx :)
09:11<dpkg>i haven't a clue, joar
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09:11<joar>dpkg: I'll check out freenode
09:11<dpkg>joar: are you smoking crack?
09:12<joar>dpkg: nope
09:12<dih>talking with bots are we?
09:12*joar grumbling
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09:14<themill>(first sign of madness...)
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09:35<DTE>hi all
09:35<DTE>i have a question
09:35<DTE>i'm trying to set up a monitoring server
09:35<DTE>i tried nagios and zabbix...but somehow i'm not very satisfied with them
09:36<DTE>i was looking at groundwork...some experience?
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09:36<dih>where's the question :-P
09:36<DTE>or some other softwares?
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09:36<dih>what kind of monitoring is that you are after?
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09:36<DTE>servers and some other snmp hw
09:37<DTE>servers are both linux and windows
09:37<DTE>snmp will be some switches, some routers and maybe some printers
09:39<DTE>nagios was ok...but the lack of the snmp is a big problem
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09:39<DTE>zabbix i really don't feel very conf wit it
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09:40<chameleon>hey how can i find out if iam useing debian Etch or Lenny/Sid?
09:41<DTE>cat /etc/debian_version
09:42<chameleon>it just says 4.o
09:42<DTE>= etch
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09:43<chameleon>how do you know ?
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09:47<themill>!release history
09:47<dpkg>Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. See also <>.
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09:49<scatterp>was there a netsplit ?
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09:51<chameleon>how do i find out what my videocard it
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09:51<behnam>can any one help me to install and run printer mp160 in ubuntu ?
09:52<SlayerXP>behnam: maybe #ubuntu can
09:53<chameleon>ok what am i looking for
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09:53<themill>guys, make sure you point them to too, #ubuntu isn't on this network. (well, there's a skeleton of lost souls there, that's all)
09:54<DTE>so...noone is using a monitoring system?
09:55<dih>chameleon: lspci? dmesg?
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09:56<dih>open the case and look for the chip? (if it's not a laptop :-P)
09:56<chameleon> lspci i used
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09:56<chameleon>but iam trying to pastbin
09:56<gsimmons>chameleon: You're interested in the VGA compatible controller. But didn't you ask about this yesterday?
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09:56<chameleon>i dont think so
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09:58<chameleon>and there is no VGA
09:59<gsimmons>chameleon: Uh, line 27.
10:00<gsimmons>chameleon: You'd want to run `update-pciids' to update your system's PCI ID list.
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10:02<chameleon>ok i updated :)
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10:04<chameleon>what i want to know is can i run AIGLX + Compiz with that video card
10:06<chameleon>VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890 [Chrome9] Integrated Video (rev 11)
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10:07<themill>I had one of them on a laptop. Biggest pain in the arse I ever came across. Maybe the state of drivers is better for it now than it was a year ago.
10:08<chameleon>what i want to know is can i run AIGLX + Compiz with that video card
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10:12<qq> google VIA K8M890 AIGLX + Compiz
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10:36<DigitalOktay>is iceweasel 3 in unstable
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10:40<DigitalOktay>or Rc2
10:40<dih>why dont you check at
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10:41<dpkg>ff3 is probably just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . Back up your ~/.mozilla in the case iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch>
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10:42<DigitalOktay>i am using sidux but its debian sid :D
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10:42<DigitalOktay>only artwork and kdm splash
10:42<themill>it's not, actually...
10:43<zem>i have iw3, works fine
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10:45<DigitalOktay>which is the next testing?
10:46<dpkg>i guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>.
10:46<dpkg>well, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>"
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10:49<themill>DigitalOktay: no code name released yet
10:50<zem>!sid faq
10:50<dpkg> or (mirror), it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/lenny...
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11:16<DigitalOktay>3.0~rc2-2: amd64 arm armel i386 ia64 kfreebsd-amd64 kfreebsd-i386 mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc
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11:45<dpkg>[kde 4] a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. See <kde version>.
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11:46<DigitalOktay>!kde version
11:46<dpkg>i guess kde version is look at for detailed information, or look at the version of kdelibs for an approximate version.
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11:47<themill>DigitalOktay: /msg dpkg ...
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12:03<zadirion_>hello ppl
12:04<zadirion_>i need some help i am trying to unset LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT at startup using a startup script in rc2.d
12:04<zadirion_>but after logging in LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT is still set, can any1 help?
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12:06<sutula>zadirion_: I don't think a startup script will be able to unset something...where is it getting set?
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12:07<zadirion_>i realy don't know where it's set sutula, otherwise i would have deleted it or added unset after the setting
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12:07<zadirion_>is there any way i can find out where it's being set?
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12:08<sutula>zadirion_: The shell environment where the rc2.d scripts are being run has little to do with the login shell's environment
12:08<zadirion_>i guess you're right, i'm new to linux still have to learn ^_^
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12:08<zadirion_>anyways how can i find out where its being set?
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12:10<zadirion_>or permanently unset it, because unset LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT only unsets it for as long as the terminal session lasts
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12:11<sutula>zadirion_: I don't know where it gets set, but you could consider the "unset" in the $HOME/.profile or /etc/profile, for example
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12:16<zadirion_>yes i guess i will try that
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12:44<mjchiphazard>bräuchte hilfe in sachen sw-raid1...
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12:46<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
12:46<mjchiphazard>thank you
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12:57<miksuh>I know that lenny is not ready, but I have to say that upgrading from etch to lenny is complete mess right now..
12:57<miksuh>I have never had this much problems before..
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12:58<miksuh>dist-upgrade fails in millions of errors..
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12:58<miksuh>or maybe millions, but many anyway :P
12:59<miksuh>luckily i made just test upgrading using old computer
12:59<thomas>bin ich jez schland? ;-)
13:00<themill>miksuh: was your etch installation up to date prior to trying to dist-upgrade?
13:00<miksuh>yes it was
13:00<themill>miksuh: and did you use aptitude or apt-get?
13:00<miksuh>I did install latest updates first
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13:01<miksuh>aptitude failed at first try, it didn't even start
13:01<themill>ahh sounds like your box was rather unhappy to start with then
13:01<miksuh>I then used apt-get and it seemed to work but then lot's of errors
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13:02<miksuh>I don't use much any 3rd party repositories etc, just and skype
13:02<miksuh>so t5hat's not a problem
13:02<themill>miksuh: did you change dmm to lenny as well at the same time?
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13:02<miksuh>I did
13:02<themill>miksuh: Also, what is the nature of the errors. Perl stuff?
13:03<miksuh>lot's of dependency errors, then some perl errors etc and now it suddenöy say that lock file is in use, another apt is in use??
13:04<miksuh>it was installing stuff and then it suddenly sayt that lock file stuff
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13:04<miksuh>and there has been some other errors too which i don't remeber anymore..
13:04<fxiny>miksuh: gnome ?
13:05<miksuh>upgrading from console
13:05<miksuh>but yeah I use gnome
13:05<miksuh>but not while i'm upgrading
13:05<fxiny>i failed upgrading gnome+oo , kde gave me less trouble
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13:06<miksuh>i don't think it has anything to do with gnome
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13:06<fxiny>i have two etch clone : one with gnome+oo and it failed m another one with kde and i've managed to fiunish the upgrade process
13:07<fxiny>could not even started it with gnome+oo
13:08<fxiny>of course i'm not complaining
13:08<fxiny>just watching things
13:09<themill>I did an etch->lenny of a base install a couple of weeks back and that went flawlessly. It's hard to know what's going on here.
13:09<fxiny>must be something with gnome and kde
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13:09<themill>But if aptitude was unhappy to begin with, then it's most likely something locally broken than an intrinsic etch->lenny problem.
13:10<fxiny>yeahh aptitude went completely crazy
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13:11<fxiny>i've saved system image and all debs
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13:12<fxiny>and i'll try removing both desk env
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13:13<fxiny>themill: good tip : i still have the very first etch base install image :))
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13:21<miksuh>and now.. "Couldn't configure pre-depend for probably a dependency cycle"
13:22<miksuh>oke I'll stay on etch until lenny is released :)
13:22<miksuh>Etch works wery well anyway
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13:24<themill>hmmm a bash install of etch now doesn't like being upgraded to lenny. We live in interesting times.
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13:26<Laeborg>anyone who knows where my.ini should be?
13:26<themill>Laeborg: do you mean /etc/mysql/my.cnf?
13:26<fxiny>miksuh: whye don't you remove etch oo ?
13:27<Laeborg>yea, thanks themill
13:27<themill>no worries
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13:34<josh>is there a way to make the wallpaper tray rotate under a minute?
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13:39<eliteforce>does anyone have an idea how i could bootstrap sid? or even lenny? (from stable)
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13:40<themill>!wayttd eliteforce
13:40<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, eliteforce?
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13:41<eliteforce>themill: sudo cdebootstrap -f minimal unstable sid/
13:42<themill>and that's not working?
13:42<eliteforce>bootstrap.log: O: Failed to fetch bootstrap:/pool/main/a/apt/apt-utils_0.7.14+b1_i386.deb Hash Sum mismatch
13:42<eliteforce>E: Couldn't install system due to errors!
13:42<themill>is your mirror feeding you bad packages?
13:43<eliteforce>themill: I hope not, since I use deb etch main
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13:43<themill>Except you're trying to use sid not etch here.
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13:45<eliteforce>themill: eh the bootstrap tool handles the downloading etc?! no need to modify sources.list for that, right?
13:45<themill>That's right, but where is it downloading from?
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13:47<themill>eliteforce: man 1 cdebootstrap says that you can specify a mirror. I wonder if that's worthwhile for you here.
13:47<themill>eliteforce: Do you have a cache dir with that .deb in it?
13:47<eliteforce>themill: yeah I just remembered that.. running with a mirror set explicitely now
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13:51<eliteforce>uh yeah, it's kinda slow
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13:51<eliteforce>themill: i just deleted that deb, trying again now
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13:52<themill>OK. If that happens again, you might want to manually verify the package is ok. This is what I get for it from my pbuilder: feee919fa9eb6e3f2e0293159fcbd4cc aptcache/apt-utils_0.7.14+b1_i386.deb
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13:54<eliteforce>themill: failed. is this the md5sum?
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13:55<eliteforce>feee919fa9eb6e3f2e0293159fcbd4cc sid/var/cache/bootstrap/apt-utils_0.7.14+b1_i386.deb
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13:55<themill>Did you say you'd tried lenny too?
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13:56<Zequi>hello any help me plz, need install X and unknow pkt for install xorg no ava
13:56<Zequi>available in my debian :s
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13:57<Zequi>try aptitude install xorg no know pkt
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13:57<themill>!install x
13:57<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, or <install kde>, or <install xfce>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
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13:57<eliteforce>themill: "lenny" is not available as suite, and testing didnt work either
13:58<Zequi>themill in my debian sarge try aptitude install xorg and the result pkt not found
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13:58<themill>eliteforce: ahh. helpfully, cdebootstrap in etch comes with "sarge", "sid" and "woody" :(
13:58<themill>Zequi: xorg is not in sarge. You should be upgrading from sarge to etch anyway as sarge is no longer supported.
13:59<eliteforce>themill: yeah i had the same problem from sarge -> etch
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13:59<Zequi>thx men :D
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13:59<themill>eliteforce: you could try backporting cdebootstrap from sid... /msg dpkg ssb
13:59<eliteforce>themill: I also tried using the suite files from cdebootstrap from sid, but it failed
14:00<Zequi>mm themill later upgrade mi debian to d
14:00<themill>eliteforce: fwiw, I actually use pbuilder and cowdancer for this.
14:01<themill>Zequi: no, you shouldn't go anywhere near sid.
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14:01<themill>eliteforce: pdebuild --pbuilder cowbuilder (packages pbuilder and cowdancer; make sure you grab cowdancer from
14:01<Zequi>for what?
14:02<eliteforce>themill: uhm testing fails with this: E: Helper package cdebootstrap-helper-rc.d not found.
14:03<Zequi>for debian desktop use what is recomendable? sid or sarge?
14:03<themill>Zequi: etch. Sarge is obsolete. Sid is not designed to be used by people, only by bots.
14:03<themill>eliteforce: urgh... I've never really used any of these tools so I can't really help much more here...
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14:04<Zequi>recomend etch?
14:04<Zequi>for desktop use game ?
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14:04<Zequi>for play divx and others
14:04<Zequi>etch is the best solution?
14:05<eliteforce>themill: yeah, thanks. the sarge version of the debootstrap tools actually worked without any problems once I added the right suite files.. but this just fails :|
14:05<themill>eliteforce: have you tried backporting all of cdebootstrap rather than just picking the config files up? (or use debootstrap instead)
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14:06<eliteforce>themill: no, but I'm trying the slower debootstrap atm
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14:10<eliteforce>Uh, I love aptitude when it says "Failed to fork." xD
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14:12<eliteforce>themill: oh wow, debootstrap ships a lenny symlink to sid *heh*
14:13<themill>eliteforce: urgh.
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14:15<_ZeuZ_>does anybody know how to make a boot like the one of Backtrack?
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14:16<eliteforce>_ZeuZ_: what's it like?
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14:21<_ZeuZ_>eliteforce, beautiful xD
14:22<_ZeuZ_>I dunno how to explain it
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14:22<_ZeuZ_>it's a frame-like tty style where everything that goes loaded goes in the middle frame and at the back there's an image
14:23<rootkit_t>when i try to install debian 4.0r3 use Official i386 DVD Binary-1 i got "cannot initialize debconf configuration database",anyone konw howto fix it?CPU is athlon XP 2200+,motherboard is via kt133a.
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14:25<rootkit_t>when i try to install debian 4.0r3 use Official i386 DVD Binary-1 i got "cannot initialize debconf configuration database",anyone konw howto fix it?CPU is athlon XP 2200+,motherboard is via kt133a.same disk and dvddrive can install well in vmware.
14:27<eliteforce>_ZeuZ_: keywords: framebuffer, bootsplash, grubsplash
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14:29<eliteforce>_ZeuZ_: and fbsplash ;)
14:30<_ZeuZ_>framebuffer: supported allready on my custom-compiled-kernel
14:30<_ZeuZ_>bootsplash: is not
14:30<eliteforce>themill: debootstrap didn't fail so far, looking good..
14:30<_ZeuZ_>grubsplash: Neither
14:30<themill>eliteforce: well that's a start...
14:30<_ZeuZ_>fbsplash: Doesn't quite look like it
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14:31<eliteforce>themill: then from sid I will bootstrap lenny :o
14:31<themill>eliteforce: erm... you can't really.
14:32<eliteforce>themill: I can :p
14:33<themill>good luck with that...
14:35<eliteforce>themill: why wouldnt it work?
14:35<themill>eliteforce: apt is unable to downgrade packages so you can't go from sid to lenny.
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14:36<billsex_tt>when i try to install debian 4.0r3 use Official i386 DVD Binary-1 i got "cannot initialize debconf configuration database",anyone konw howto fix it?CPU is athlon XP 2200+,motherboard is via kt133a.same disk and dvddrive can install well in vmware.
14:36<miksuh>hmm I managed to make it continue the uopgrade process
14:36<miksuh>I removed which is Finnish spell-checker
14:36<eliteforce>themill: bootstrap != down/up-grade
14:36<miksuh>for openoffice
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14:37<themill>eliteforce: so what are you planning to do?
14:37<eliteforce>20:31 < eliteforce> themill: then from sid I will bootstrap lenny :o
14:37<themill>eliteforce: wouldn't it have been easier to just backport cdebootstrap from sid to begin with?
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14:38<billsex_tt>when i try to install debian 4.0r3 use Official i386 DVD Binary-1 i got "cannot initialize debconf configuration database",anyone konw howto fix it?CPU is athlon XP 2200+,motherboard is via kt133a.same disk and dvddrive can install well in vmware.
14:38<miksuh>but argh, again that "could not lock chace file", WTF
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14:39<miksuh>I already fixed that once
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14:41<eliteforce>themill: probably, haven't tried that so far, but it really seems to be simple
14:41<Bravim>boa tarde amigos, gostaria de saber sobre qual marca de hd scsi o debian suporta. Não achei no site. :(
14:41<dpkg>[en] english
14:41<cogwheel>-_- very funny
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14:42<dpkg>from memory, en is english
14:42<themill>eliteforce: That's a pretty common and easy thing to do, yes.
14:42<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:42<Bravim>ok, sorry
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14:44<dpkg>methinks udp is User Datagram Protocol - a thin layer above IP to send individual packets to other computers. Unlike TCP, UDP does not "set up a connection" in advance, and does not make any effort to verify that packets arrive at the other end
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14:48<eliteforce>slicky: vpn?
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14:49<slicky>eliteforce, openvpn?
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14:51<eliteforce>slicky: yup, for example
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14:52<slicky>eliteforce, any other alternatives?
14:52<eliteforce>themill: # cat /etc/debian_version \n lenny/sid :)
14:52<themill>eliteforce: sounds like you made it in the end then
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14:54<eliteforce>themill: yeah, thanks.
14:54<themill>no worries. Have fun with it.
14:55<billsex_tt>when i try to install debian 4.0r3 use Official i386 DVD Binary-1 i got "cannot initialize debconf configuration database",anyone konw howto fix it?CPU is athlon XP 2200+,motherboard is via kt133a.same disk and dvddrive can install well in vmware.
14:56<Laeborg>[1040] dbconn: mysql_connect: Too many connections - Where can I change maximum connections ?
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14:56<eliteforce>slicky: not sure, an `apt-cache search vpn` might help
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14:56<themill>Laeborg: you already know the answer to that...
14:58<Laeborg>hmm do I? :S
14:58<themill>Laeborg: Well.... where would mysql store such a parameter?
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14:58<Laeborg> /var/lib ?
14:59<themill>Laeborg: A config file is more likely...
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14:59<eliteforce>Laeborg: system wide configuration files are in /etc, for your problem see /etc/mysql/my.cnf
14:59<Laeborg>yeah I know i should change it in the config file, but im not sure where it is
14:59<themill>Laeborg: search through it?
14:59<Laeborg>what is the config file called?
15:00<eliteforce>Laeborg: read what i wrote?
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15:00<Laeborg> - that is my my.cnf
15:00<themill>Laeborg: It's the same file you asked about 3 hours ago
15:00<themill>Actually, not even that long ago. 1h34.
15:00<eliteforce>Laeborg: people ain't going to tell you line numbers and how to use your editor
15:00<Laeborg>well i througt it was, but I can't see any thing about maximum connections and ect
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15:01<Laeborg>thats my hole my.cnf file
15:01<themill>Laeborg: that's not the my.cnf that comes with debian.
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15:02<themill>Laeborg: Did you keep a backup of the original my.cnf from the debian package?
15:02<eliteforce>Laeborg: man mysqld <- will give you all the funny options, including max connections ;)
15:03<Laeborg>should I now restart mysql?
15:03<themill>Laeborg: urgh... if you're frigging with cpanel stuff you should ask them not us...
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15:06<themill>Laeborg: If you were using debian's mysql, then your my.cnf would have looked a lot different and you would have had the answer in front of you. There's not much we can do to help you with things that you manage through cpanel.
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15:06<Laeborg>okay, but thanks for the help so far. I think i just have fixed my problem
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15:07<themill>no problem
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15:14<themill>Laeborg: btw the debian default for max_connections is 100. If you're exceeding that, then you might have other problems you want to look at...
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15:15<Laeborg>well in cpanel the max_connections is 500 as default
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15:16<themill>if you're exceeding that, then you're doing something very wrong
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15:19<themill>Laeborg: for example, if that error was from php, try using mysql_pconnect rather than mysql_connect.
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15:21<el_isma>Hello, I'm trying to setup publickey login in ssh and failing :( Can anyone help me?
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15:24<eliteforce>el_isma: you just need to set up $HOME/.ssh/ authorized_keys and id_rsa or _dsa properly, and check your sshd conf
15:25<el_isma>eliteforce: what should be in sshd_conf?
15:25<eliteforce>el_isma: something like PubkeyAuthentication yes
15:25<el_isma>I have copied my to the server's authorized_keys2 (should it be on authorized_keys instead?)
15:26<eliteforce>el_isma: yup
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15:28<el_isma>eliteforce: nope, it doesn't work :( . PubkeyAuth is set to yes, the key is in both files.
15:29<eldowan>In the past, I've used shfs to mount a remote directory over ssh, and used samba to share this to a windows client on my network. it worked great, and I never had any issues. However, on lenny shfs is gone, and sshfs replaces it. sshfs is fuse based, and it seems not to work with samba. is there any hope?
15:30<eliteforce>el_isma: read man ssh; those files contain different keys.
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15:32<el_isma>eliteforce: Maybe it has something to do about the network I'm in? Or is that irrelevant? (Ie: I'm not in a LAN with that pc.)
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15:32<eliteforce>eldowan: why shouldn't it work to share fuse mounted stuff with samba?
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15:33<eldowan>I don't know, but I came across a howto that says it needs to have an option uncommented in fuse.conf user_allow_other I'm going to try that next
15:34<eliteforce>el_isma: if you can login over ssh with password auth it should also work for pubkey auth
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15:34<eldowan>eliteforce: seems I've got to reboot for it to take effect, back in a bit.
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15:38<el_isma>eliteforce: Yes, I can login with pass auth. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
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15:41<el_isma>eliteforce: Please take a look at: , it's ssh with verbose output.
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15:42<eldowan>eliteforce: it was the fuse.conf option that allowed it to go through. fuse is compatible with samba after all :D
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15:44<themill>el_isma: what are the permissions on ~/.ssh/* on the server?
15:46<el_isma>themill: user rw on all, known_hosts has r on everything
15:47<themill>el_isma: it was actually ~/.ssh and ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the other end that I was interested in
15:48<el_isma>themill: the dir has drwx------, authkeys -rw------
15:49<themill>that should be fine... and the id_dsa file isn't group writable (nor its directory)?
15:51<themill>el_isma: Also, the id_dsa key isn't vulnerably according to DSA 1571is it? Perhaps check it with ssh-vulnkey.
15:51<el_isma>themill: on this pc, .ssh is drwx------, and id_dsa is rw------
15:52<el_isma>themill: I just generated it now. It should be fine, no?
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15:52<themill>Presuming you are all updated etc, yes. Should be fine.
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15:58<eliteforce>el_isma: does the id_dsa file start with sth like -----BEGIN DSA PRIVATE KEY-----
15:59<eliteforce>el_isma: or in other words, how did you create the keys?
16:00<weasel>eliteforce: ls -ld ~ ~/.ssh ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server please
16:00<el_isma>eliteforce: I just checked and it seems I had forgotten to update this pc, the DSA key it was generating was compromised! :S
16:00<eliteforce>oh -_
16:00<el_isma>shame on me!
16:00<themill>el_isma: you might want to look at cron-apt....
16:01<el_isma>thanks for your help, eliteforce, themill. I'm terribly sorry :S
16:01<themill>!cluebat el_isma
16:01*dpkg beats el_isma with the ClueBat of #debian. Roll 1d6... 3! Read the DFSG at
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16:01<themill>el_isma: no worries... now go and check what other updates you've missed :(
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16:11<davi>Is KQEMU already merged in the linux kernel 2.6.25 ?
16:12<themill>davi: seeing as how there are modules for 2.6.25 in sid, I doubt it.
16:12<themill>(but I don't know this for sure...)
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16:13<davi>thanks themill
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16:14<Win189>hi i need a bit of help with vnc and setting up a desktop
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16:16<forgado>rbcjswg guiefgg ugfqgfwg8yfgweq
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16:18<eliteforce>themill: tomorrow I'll try to bootstrap lenny with cdeb. and compare the two bootstrapped systems
16:18<themill>eliteforce: sounds like a fun activity...
16:19<eliteforce>themill: just if I find (big) differences :P
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16:20<eliteforce>Win189: yeah lots of people need help with *something*
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16:21<Win189>hi i need a bit of help with vnc and setting up a desktop i have the xstartup setup but i dont get the desktop that i am trying to get
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16:22<Win189>im trying to get just a standerd gnome desktop
16:22<Win189>window enviroment
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16:23<Win189>any one got any tips
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16:24<Win189>i just get the grid andnot the envirment
16:24<eliteforce>oh I love "the grid"
16:27<Win189>how do i get rid of it
16:27<Win189>i want the desktop
16:27<eliteforce>hope this helps, I'm outta here
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16:28<eliteforce>dpkg really should be spamming google links every minute ;)
16:28<dpkg>eliteforce: are you smoking crack?
16:29<eliteforce>dpkg: not yet
16:29<dpkg>eliteforce: are you smoking crack?
16:31<Win189>stull grid
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16:32<Win189>[ -r $HOME/.Xresources ] && xrdb $HOME/.Xresources
16:32<Win189>xsetroot -solid grey
16:32<Win189>vncconfig -iconic &
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16:32<Win189>sorry about that
16:32<Win189>i ment to past on the other window
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16:33<Win189>any one know what i missed
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16:34<Win189>eliteforce u still there ?
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17:00<MotoHoss>When installing a different kernel image package does the routine pickup blacklisting in /etc/modprobe.d ?
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17:05<eldowan>MotoHoss: IIRC blacklisting should be independant of the kernel installation / removal
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17:06<Woet>vsftpd has the deny_file option, and its working fine with: deny_file={server[0-9]}
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17:06<Woet>but I want to to deny only FILES, and not directories as well
17:06<Woet>anyone has any idea?
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17:10<enouf>MotoHoss: what happens in mkinitramfs-kpkg runs upon installation of a linux-image-pkg, IIRC, and /etc/kernel-img.conf settings can affect what installation does - if you find issues after installing, try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version, and/or "/msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs"
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17:39<azulesmar>hallo! my evdev keeps changing event numbers for my mouse on reboot (/dev/input/event#)
17:39<azulesmar>this causes xorg not to start up
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17:39<azulesmar>any ideas how to fix?
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17:43<eldowan>azulesmar: have you tried using /dev/input/mice (if not that its something similar)
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17:46<khenpache>Im currently using lenny. I am new to linux world. I am trying to get the wireless card working. Its ipw3945. Could i get some help getting it working.
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17:53<Woet>is it possible to run vsftpd on port 21, and proftpd on port 22?
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17:54<Woet>it keeps saying stuff like:
17:54<Woet>The following packages will be REMOVED:
17:54<Woet> vsftpd
17:54<Woet>The following NEW packages will be installed:
17:54<Woet> proftpd
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17:54<Woet>--no-remove doesnt help, it will just say 'E: Packages need to be removed but remove is disabled.'
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17:58<weasel>Woet: they conflict.
17:58<not4u>logged in as a user. any way to shutdown the computer without using su/sudo?
17:58<Woet>weasel: they dont
17:58<weasel>you can't have both installled at the same time.
17:58<Woet>according to
17:59<Woet>'I run both vsftpd and proftpd at work.
17:59<Woet>We use proftpd to support virtual users, although I dare say this could be done through PAM, there are other aspects to having a lot of virtual users, like quota management that proftpd does well.
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17:59<Woet>which is exactly why I need it.
17:59<weasel>Woet: sure, you can run them both. no, you can't install them both as packages.
17:59<weasel>Tue 23:58:41 <weasel> Woet: they conflict.
17:59<Woet>so, i need to compile from source.
17:59<weasel>or hack the packages.
17:59<Woet>isnt there anything to force apt-get to ignore it?
18:00<weasel>you don't want that.
18:00<Woet>i simply want to run one on port 21, and one on port 22
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18:01<azulesmar>eldowan, isn't /dev/input/mice the pre-evdev method?
18:02<eldowan>azulesmar: don't know. I don't remember what I used for mine when I did a recent re-install but it definately wan't an event#. /dev/input/pts ?
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18:03<Woet>weasel: so, no fix besides compiling?
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18:29<Zequi>buenas _ZeuZ_
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18:54<tja>I am trying to build a package with sbuild in a chroot environment. my schroot.conf
18:55<tja>but when I try to run sbuild I get this error:
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19:03<insigne>oi tudo bem
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19:03<themill>tja: that's looking suspiciously like a question you should be asking in #ubuntu on
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19:06<tja>themill: ok, thought there is no difference there
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19:10<aloha-shin>hi, i want to ask what is the correct link for debian lenny inside /etc/apt/sources.list because when I install mysql-server-5.0 it doesn't work nothing happen. I put this link in sources.list deb lenny main but it doesn't work pls tell me what is the correct sources.list for debian lenny?
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19:12<jidm>aloha-shin: for example i have: deb lenny contrib main
19:12<themill>aloha-shin: that looks fine to me. What's the output of apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.0
19:13<themill>aloha-shin: (use a pastebin ; /msg dpkg pastebin )
19:13<aloha-shin>im trying to install mysql-server-5.0 but nothing happen
19:13<aloha-shin>0 newly installed
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19:14<jidm>just install mysql-server package
19:14<aloha-shin>debian:~# apt-cache policy mysql-serer-5.0
19:14<aloha-shin>W: Unable to locate package mysql-serer-5.0
19:14<not4u>hey. is netsplit down or what?
19:14<jidm>that is version 5.051a-9 in debian lenny
19:14<themill>aloha-shin: check your spelling
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19:15<jidm>aloha-shin: package is mysql-server
19:15<aloha-shin>debian:~# apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.0
19:15<aloha-shin> Installed: (none)
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19:15<aloha-shin> Candidate: 5.0.45-1+lenny1
19:15<aloha-shin> Version table:
19:15<aloha-shin> 5.0.45-1+lenny1 0
19:15<aloha-shin> 500 lenny/updates/main Packages
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19:16<themill>dpkg: tell aloha-shin about paste
19:16<aloha-shin>that's what i saw
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19:17<themill>aloha-shin: so install it: aptitude install mysql-server-5.0
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19:17<themill>aloha-shin: actually, you might like to run "aptitude update" first
19:17<aloha-shin>I already did that aptitude update
19:17<aloha-shin>ok i will do it again
19:18<themill>Is your network connection crappy then? Because that's a very old package from lenny.
19:18<ezra>hello, since a certain time ago I had problems after updating lenny, mouse under X strange acting weird and right click is like double right-click now with just one click, sometimes works and sometimes doesnt.. In another machine I also had the same problem but with left click
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19:19<themill>aloha-shin: can you please pastebin your entire sources.list?
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19:23<aloha-shin>how do i pastebin?
19:23<aloha-shin>I can;t copy
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19:24<aloha-shin>deb lenny main
19:25<aloha-shin>deb lenny/updates main
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19:25<aloha-shin>is that correct?
19:26<themill>aloha-shin: that looks fine, but the version information you showed us earlier for mysql-server-5.0 is not consistent with this.
19:26<aloha-shin>I have another server and its etch and its works fine
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19:27<themill>aloha-shin: why can you not copy and paste things?
19:27<aloha-shin>then I tried it on the old server to install mysql server 5 with lenny and it works
19:27<ezra>anyone knows how to solve my mouse problem after lenny updates?
19:27<aloha-shin>with the new server I tried to install mysql server 5 but it doesn't work
19:28<aloha-shin>what do u mean? mysql server 5 isn;t compatible with lenny?
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19:29<aloha-shin>I only need to install this because Im hosting ragnarok private server
19:29<aloha-shin>online games.
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19:29<themill>aloha-shin: why can you not copy and paste things?
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19:30<aloha-shin>how to copy?
19:30<SharkMa-san>select the area to be copied and then right click and select copy?
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19:34<abrotman>!beer themill
19:34*dpkg pulls out an excellent Gulden Drak for themill
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19:35<themill>thanks, abrotman. Needed that...
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19:43<not4u>ok. i noticed that if i'm playing music i cant get any audio from a video file or any other app. is that normal? is there any way arround it or can only one application access the sound system at any given time?
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19:46<dpkg>dmix is, like, an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See, or another sample asound.conf at, or
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19:58<miksuh>Hmm I try to make clean Debian lenny installation to same computer now..
19:59<miksuh>New Debian installer seems great
19:59<miksuh>I think it's wery good idea to add that new installer menu
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20:01<not4u>hey. any way i can kill alsa and restart it?
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20:10<brujo>hi anyone know hot to programming on serial port?
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20:11<abrotman>programming what about it ?
20:11<brujo>serial port
20:12<brujo>i just need send "#blablabla" string to a serial port
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20:14<abrotman>there's probably one at
20:15<blarson>brujo: echo "#blablabla" >/dev/ttyS0
20:16<brujo>how set the baud ?
20:16<abrotman>blarson: and you thought it was going to be easy :)
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20:17<brujo>i say programming ; )
20:19<brujo>ok thnks
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20:44<aloha-shin>im done.
20:44<aloha-shin>its working
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20:44<aloha-shin>how to delete a user?
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20:46<abrotman>deluser ?
20:46<aloha-shin>yes i have
20:46<aloha-shin>a fresh debian lenny
20:46<aloha-shin>and i want to delete the user1
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20:50<abrotman>deluser ?
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21:14<shilow>dan someone help me with a synaptic error i got i dont understand what it means
21:14<shilow>E: /var/cache/apt/archives/netatalk_2.0.3-11_i386.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
21:14<abrotman>shilow: paste all the output somewhere
21:14<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
21:15<shilow>un that was 2 lines..
21:15<abrotman>there's more
21:15<shilow>nope thats all it says
21:15<shilow>i'll run it from apt-get and put it on paste buin and see if there is more
21:15<abrotman>show the command .. and all the output
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21:16<shilow>that was when i was doing an update with synaptic
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21:16<shilow>using apt-get it seems tghere is alot of broken deps..
21:16<abrotman>aptitude ?
21:17<shilow>no synaptic package manager
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21:17<abrotman>right .. try with aptitude
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21:17<shilow>i think it was just broken deps apt-get -f is running maybe it'll fix
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21:18<shilow>nope stops at netatalk
21:18<shilow>i'll try aptitude
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21:19<shilow>hmm aptitude has more output
21:19<shilow>i may just need to clean apt-get
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21:21<shilow>yea looks like it downloaded a courrupt package of netatalk
21:21<shilow>is that even needed?
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21:22<shilow>nope still messed up
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21:24<abrotman>likely you don't need netatalk .. it's appletalk
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21:25<shilow>i cant even remove it
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21:32<MotoHoss>enouf & eldowan: that's some of what I was looking for. thanks.
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21:34<shilow>ahh found it in a forum its an error in the netatalk startup script
21:35<shilow>the --short flag dont work for hostname
21:35<shilow>so it fails to start
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21:45<Aleric>I'm trying to use ssh from linux to linux box. I added the correct .pub to the remote .ssh/authorized_keys files, but when i try to ssh in, the public key fails (apparently) and it keeps asking me for my password :/
21:45<Aleric>How can I find out what is wrong?
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21:48<hlfshell>so i am trying to get a usb wireless adapter to work with debian.... ifconfig -a is showing it as eth1 (disappears when i unplug and run ifconfig again, so its definately that one) but whenever i run ifup eth1 -i /etc/network/interfaces -v or some version of ifup i get Failed to bring up eth1. Any ideas?
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21:55<gsimmons>hlfshell: Please provide the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file at a paste site.
21:55<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
21:55<hlfshell>ok one sec
21:56<enouf>MotoHoss: ahh , 4+ hours is ok ;-) Anyway, note; i didn't realize till not long ago, that the initrd is actually created upon installation (when installing a linux-image-version pkg), as i've used make-kpkg before, passed it the --initrd flag, built pkg, and noticed no initrd inside the resultant .deb - note also, installing via apt-get from debian mirrors, or dpkg -i a self made make-kpkg kernel behaves the same, AFAICT
21:57<hlfshell>there you go gsimmons
21:58<gsimmons>hlfshell: You haven't provided any details about the wireless network your interface should connect to. At the very least, you need to provide an SSID. Install the 'wireless-tools' package, see /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for an example interfaces configuration.
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21:59<hlfshell>gsimmons, apt-get says i have the newest version
21:59<enouf>MotoHoss: if for some reason, when using make-kpkg with*out* --initrd option at time of build, you later decide you want an initrd, you could run mkinitramfs-kpkg to generate one, though i forget if that also applies to make-kpkg using vanilla sources vs debian ones
22:00<gsimmons>hlfshell: That's fine, go ahead and read the README.Debian file previously indicated.
22:01<hlfshell>i have to point out what essid even though its a DHCP wifi connection?
22:03<gsimmons>hlfshell: You associate with an AP first (specified by the SSID), _then_ request a DHCP lease.
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22:04<hlfshell>i c. i will try this gsimmons - thanks for the hlep. ill be back in a bit after my first attempts
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22:08<MotoHoss>enouf: that's good info. I have been forming a better question.. &<) and eating dinner as well...
22:09<enouf>MotoHoss: excellent - i'm getting ready to eat real soon myself
22:09<hlfshell>whats the command to output into a file?
22:09<enouf>output what?
22:09<enouf>hlfshell: redirect? use >
22:09<hlfshell>actually, ill just open another terminal nm
22:10<hlfshell>neeeeeeeeevermind :-)
22:10<hlfshell><~ kinda newbish
22:10<MotoHoss>enouf: I guess my point is I never found the call to depmod... in the package scripts...
22:10<enouf>oh, sorry, i have no idea .. what you;re doing
22:11<enouf>MotoHoss: the made pkg has all the modules and installation correct setu scripts, no need to depmod
22:11<enouf>MotoHoss: let's be more specific, so we can narrow down whatever is your issue
22:11<MotoHoss>enouf : exactly... so it never picksup what in modules.d <--correct?
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22:12<enouf>MotoHoss: are we talking about a d/l and installed linux-image-version? from debian mirrors? or . are we talking about a make-kpkg .deb?
22:12<MotoHoss>a d/l image from the mirrors.
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22:13<enouf>MotoHoss: i think that's correct .. this way a simple "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version" should do just fine
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22:14<MotoHoss>enouf: here's the better more accurate question, which we have answered:
22:15<enouf>MotoHoss: i guess an Admin that has the ability and perms to install a new kernel has been given the choice about whether or not the newly installed kernel should honor older blacklist options .. though, not sure if that applies to the /etc/modporbe.d/blacklist file (which IS a debian pkg file, and the comments show that) as well as others meant for initrd only
22:15<MotoHoss>Does a downloaded image package pickup/keep the blacklisted modules in /etc/modules.d?
22:16<enouf>heh .. look up ;-)
22:16<MotoHoss>the blacklist file isn't the right way...
22:16<MotoHoss>;-) hehe great minds think alike.
22:17<enouf>MotoHoss: are we talking about /blacklist or /custom-initrd-blacklist-file ?
22:17<MotoHoss>err /etc/modprobe.d
22:17<enouf>i know the dir/
22:17<MotoHoss>I didn't wuote it right.
22:17<enouf>but yeah, i see why you corrected yourself
22:18<enouf>dang! stop thinking like me!
22:18<enouf>MotoHoss: i gotta eat now ..
22:18<MotoHoss>k. u helped go eat dinner is on me.
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22:38<kdeuser^>Hey guys
22:38<kdeuser^>I have installed Lotus Symphony office
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22:38<kdeuser^>But I don`t see any icons in the menu
22:38<kdeuser^>how do I start the application ?
22:38<voidhc>trying alt+f2
22:39<kdeuser^>and what command do I type ?
22:39<voidhc>and writing the name of application
22:39<kdeuser^>I tried that
22:39<voidhc>i'dont now...
22:39<kdeuser^>I have explored the whole directory I don`t find any bin file
22:40<kdeuser^>okay.. np
22:40<kdeuser^>one more thing
22:40<voidhc>good luck
22:40<kdeuser^>when I join an irc channel , I see my ip displayed
22:40<kdeuser^>how do I change that
22:41<voidhc>you see the directory /home/<user>?
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22:41<kdeuser^>My home directory yes
22:41<voidhc>i don't it, i new bie in this type of chat
22:41<kdeuser^>I am currently using xchat
22:41<kdeuser^>when you join what does it display
22:42<voidhc>search in google :]
22:42<voidhc>good opition ^^'
22:43<voidhc>our in a forum of your version of linux
22:43<voidhc>i'm from brazil
22:43<abrotman>kdeuser^: you'd get a hostmask .. but it's not really a big deal
22:43<kdeuser^>abrotman, how do I do that ?
22:44<abrotman>you ask the irc staff .. but it's really not worth it
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22:44<kdeuser^>Oh. I can`t do anything on my side ?
22:45<voidhc>i don't anything about irc
22:45<voidhc>i study debian version kurumin
22:45<voidhc>brazilian version! do you now?
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23:02<hlfshell>gsimmons, are you there? i am still having significant wifi trouble
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23:03<gsimmons>hlfshell: What trouble are you experiencing?
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23:04<hlfshell>it still cant bring up eth1 (wifi)
23:04<hlfshell>ive tried various modifications of the interfaces file
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23:04<hlfshell>the most common change being wireless-essid WPI-Wireless
23:05<hlfshell>but absolutely no change in performance
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23:06<hlfshell>ive also tried to manually use iwconfig to no avail
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23:07<gsimmons>hlfshell: Please pastebin your current /etc/network/interfaces file. Also try "iwlist eth1 scan" to determine if your AP is in range. Additionally, what USB wireless device are you using?
23:08<hlfshell>let me do those one at a time, one sec.
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23:08<hlfshell>iwlist eth1 scan returns
23:08<hlfshell>eth1 Interface doesn't support scanning : No such device
23:09<ameyer>try it without the eth1
23:10<hlfshell> for interfaces file. trying it now ameyer
23:10<ameyer>some wifi cards use wifi0, some use ath0, and I may be missing some
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23:10<hlfshell>iogear is the usb device im using
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23:10<hlfshell>nah its def eth1
23:10<hlfshell>cause if i unplug it and run ifconfig eth1 disappears
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23:10<hlfshell>plug it in and run ifconfig and eth1 reappears right away
23:11<ameyer>yeah, it'd be eth1
23:11<hlfshell>yah, same error message sans eth1
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23:12<ameyer>I've only dealt with a Atheros card, and that was a PITA for something that's well-supported
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23:12<ameyer>relatively speaking
23:12<hlfshell>hmmmm well this came with the board i bought
23:13<hlfshell>and the company who makes the board does recommend debian and this wifi card so i know it SHOULD work
23:13<hlfshell>gsimmons, see anything in that interface file i posted?
23:13<ameyer>I'm just saying I'm not gonna be able to be helpful
23:13<hlfshell>thanks anyway ameyer :-)
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23:13<gsimmons>hlfshell: Please pastebin the output received for "iwconfig", without any arguments.
23:14<hlfshell>k one sec
23:14<hlfshell>hmmm thats an encrypted access point and it says encrypted: none
23:14<hlfshell>i mean encryption key: off
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23:16<gsimmons>hlfshell: If it's an encrypted access point, you also need to supply the key within /e/n/i. Refer to the wireless-tools README.Debian file. If it's a WPA-encrypted AP, "/msg dpkg wpa".
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23:17<hlfshell>its WPAEnterprise with certificate files. they had me enter important password information into wpa_supplicant.conf.
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23:20<hlfshell>i think ive done everytghing im supposed to do for a WPA network - i have all the correct info in the wpa_supplicant.conf file and followed instructions provided by the network provider....
23:20<hlfshell>are u saying i need to put additional key information in my interfaces file?
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23:23<gsimmons>hlfshell: Do you have the 'zd1211-firmware' (non-free) package installed?
23:23<hlfshell>nope - what does it do?
23:23<univx>somebody know about to extract a device but not only umount
23:23<univx>i mean shutdown the energy of this something like rmmod uhci_hcd but not all device just a specific device
23:24<hlfshell>ok zd1211 is installed.
23:24<gsimmons>hlfshell: It provides firmware to be used for wireless devices based on ZyDAS ZD1211 chipsets. You appear to be using the zd1211 driver, which requires firmware for its use.
23:25<hlfshell>ok.... so after its installed, what do i do?
23:25<gsimmons>hlfshell: Assuming your configuration is correct, bring up the interface. Examine dmesg output for any errors.
23:25<hlfshell>how do i use dmesg?
23:26<gsimmons>hlfshell: "dmesg |tail" is usually sufficient.
23:28<hlfshell>here is the ifup eth1 -v and dmesg | tail
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23:29<hlfshell>any idea from here?
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23:38<gsimmons>hlfshell: You'll need to reference your wpa_supplicant.conf within /e/n/i. Add "wpa-conf /path/to/wpa_supplicant.conf" to your eth1 definition, where /path/to/ is replaced with the absolute path to your supplied wpa_supplicant.conf file.
23:39<hlfshell>hmmm ok trying that now
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23:40<hlfshell>wow more stuff happened than normal on ifup
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23:41<hlfshell>still failed. pasting a pastebin now
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23:41<hlfshell>here it is:
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23:51<gsimmons>hlfshell: Remove the entire "wireless-essid" line from /e/n/i, then bring down/up your eth1 interface again. Also, is the SSID hidden (ie. not broadcast) by your AP?
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