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01:01<gard>hello, can you help with some problem with installing linux on SAS raid hdd? (xeon server)
01:02<gard>(не видет SAS при инсталляции)
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01:05<gard>Ё-маё народ? кто-нибудь ставил Дебиан4 на сервак с SAS Raid-ом?
01:05<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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01:06<gard>but my questin on english too
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01:09<jm_>if SAS raid is fakeraid then you'll need newer d-i AFAIK
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01:31<k1lumin4t1>is it possible to take screenshots to a text-mode Debian installation ?
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01:32<k1lumin4t1>during the installation of course
01:34<k1lumin4t1>jm_, how?
01:38<jm_>k1lumin4t1: snapscreenshot for example
01:38<k1lumin4t1>jm_, elaborate more on that, please
01:40<jm_>k1lumin4t1: there's nothing to elaborate on
01:41<k1lumin4t1>jm_, yes, but... how could I use it during the installation?
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01:45<jm_>k1lumin4t1: from tty2 for example
01:45<k1lumin4t1>jm_, I see
01:45<jm_>one can also use qemu or similar
01:46<k1lumin4t1>the thing is if snapscreenshot will be available during the process
01:46<k1lumin4t1>for example at early instances of it where no package system is on yet
01:46<jm_>you can also use simple cat: cat /dev/vcsX > s
01:46<jm_>of course it won't be
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01:47<k1lumin4t1>and I could go with ssh installation but that starts at a certain point and I can't then get the whole process
01:48<zem>that's actualy quite usefull
01:49<k1lumin4t1>jm_, cat didn't work
01:49<k1lumin4t1>jm_, I did cat /dev/vcs1 > s
01:49<zem>it did for me
01:49<jm_>it works just finr
01:49<zem>try as root
01:50<k1lumin4t1>yes I did, but I don't get an image
01:50<zem>it's cat
01:51<zem>it doesn't give images
01:51<zem>it's a text fiel
01:51<jm_>yeah full of console codes
01:51<k1lumin4t1>so no possibilities of obtaining an image?
01:52<zem>eeer... it's text, take a screenshot of it in xterm or something?
01:52<jm_>it's easy to create a graphic image out of that
01:52<zem>and thanks to this little pice of usefull information i am able to present the following problem:
01:52<k1lumin4t1>zem, yes, but I'll be doing this during an installarion
01:53<zem>"Setting the system clock. select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out * Unable to set System Clock to: Tue Jul 1 01:18:19 CEST 2008 "
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01:53<zem>k1lumin4t1: save the text files?
01:53<jm_>zem: do you have rtc support in kernel?
01:53<zem>jm_: how do i check?
01:53<k1lumin4t1>zem, I need screenshots
01:53<jm_>zem: grep RTC /boot/config-$(uname -r)
01:54<jm_>zem: that's for debian kernels, also grep rtc /proc/devices
01:55<zem>jm_: lots of things in /boot/config
01:55<zem># CONFIG_HPET_RTC_IRQ is not set
01:55<zem>seems interesting
01:55<zem>nothing in /proc/devices
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01:56<k1lumin4t1>jm_, how do i convert that text output in an image?
01:58<zem>k1lumin4t1: might i ask why do you need the image of instalation?
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01:58<k1lumin4t1>zem, I'm building a tutorial on advanced debian installation
01:58<k1lumin4t1>for my class
01:59<zem>you can use vmware
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01:59<jm_>zem: check CONFIG_RTC
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01:59<k1lumin4t1>zem, I'm thinking on virtualbox
02:00<k1lumin4t1>but I thought there was a way on doing that during the process
02:00<k1lumin4t1>well, with installgui mode there is
02:00<jm_>then load the module
02:00<k1lumin4t1>jm_, how's the dev present if the module is not loaded?
02:01<k1lumin4t1>it should be loaded on demand
02:01<zem>load it?
02:01<jm_>k1lumin4t1: what?
02:01<jm_>modprobe rtc
02:01<cahoot>k1lumin4t1: might be you need give hwclock the option --directisa
02:01<k1lumin4t1>jm_, his /dev/rtc is present, so the module is loaded
02:02<k1lumin4t1>jm_, the problem is the info that dev is returning
02:02<jm_>k1lumin4t1: who said it is present?
02:02<zem>it's during the boot
02:02<k1lumin4t1>well he never checked but i think it always is
02:02<zem>so loading it now won't help a lot, will it?
02:02<jm_>stick it in /etc/modules
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02:04<zem>i'm going for a test drive
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02:32<zem>i have found the solution for clock, adding --directisa in hwclock scripts
02:34<cahoot>zem: that's not a solution - only a workaround
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02:37<zem>cahoot: true, but i guess it's good enough for me
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02:52<User600>hello, I am trying to get help on wireless routers on Debian. Is this the session I should join?
02:52<tmg1|hardy>new debian lenny beta 2 is kernel panicking on install right after the point where it looks for the ramdisk. skimming docs suggest that this is an improper root device(for the cdrom?) for the netinst's grub. Am I interpreting this correct and if so how where do we file this?
02:52<tmg1|hardy>User600: what about wireless routers?
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02:52<weasel>tmg1|hardy: that entirely depends on why it's panicing
02:53<eliteforce>User600: do you mean running Debian on a wlan router?
02:54<tmg1|hardy>weasel: vfs error?
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02:54<User600>I just bought a Linksys Model WRT160N and I'm trying to install it to work with my Debian partition. So far, I reinstalled Debian 4 times with no results, even tho the router works with my WIN XP partitions.
02:55<weasel>tmg1|hardy: and after that?
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02:55<tmg1|hardy>'cannot open root device "<NULL>"
02:55<weasel><NULL> is a very interesting root device.
02:56<tmg1|hardy>I tried enterring in some random text on the boot line
02:56<weasel>what are the kernel parameters you boot with?
02:56<tmg1|hardy>(through "help", which leads to the old-style debian boot prompt)
02:56<jm_>tried root=/dev/ram?
02:56<tmg1|hardy>whatever the default is
02:56<weasel>there is no default. it's individual for each system.
02:56<weasel>so find that out and you're one step further
02:57<tmg1|hardy>hmm I don't see a root= at all. which makes sense
02:57<weasel>and are you booting using lilo or grub?
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02:58<zem>user600: as far as i know you don't install routers, you just configure routers, and configure network in your os
02:58<weasel>depends on the router ;)
02:58<eliteforce>User600: how can a router work with partitions? Oo
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02:59<User600>eliteforce: I mean I have installed 2 OSs on the same computer on different partitions. The WIN XP works while the Debian does not.
03:00<zem>what exactly doesn't work?
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03:00<tmg1|hardy>jm_: well, that at least gave me a different error, "no filesystem could mount root, tried: ext2"
03:00<jm_>tmg1|hardy: is this a boot from CD or what?
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03:01<tmg1|hardy>jm_: yea
03:01<User600>zem: the Debian installation cannot see the router
03:01<jm_>tmg1|hardy: so it's using syslinux?
03:02<zem>User600: you have correctly configured the network?
03:02<weasel>tmg1|hardy: are you saying that the *installer* can't boot, or that the *installed system* cannot?
03:03<tmg1|hardy>jm isolinux?
03:03<jm_>tmg1|hardy: yeah isolinux for CD-s, sorry
03:03<User600>zem: yes, it works in WIN XP but not in Debian. I even called Linksys and they think it is installed properly.
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03:04<zem>User600: do you know the ip address of your router?
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03:04<tmg1|hardy>weasel: installer
03:04<User600>zem: yes, I do.
03:04<tmg1|hardy>I haven't got as far as an installed system ;)
03:05<tmg1|hardy>User600: what is it?
03:05<jm_>tmg1|hardy: do you see it loading initrd?
03:05<weasel>tmg1|hardy: talk to debian-boot on the list or file a bug or maybe hunt one down in the channel
03:05<s_i_m>Does anyone know the name of the font in this example?
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03:06<tmg1|hardy>I think so(also 4 boot parameters, where the linux image is, priority, vga and initrd's location)
03:06<tmg1|hardy>it hangs for a second after initrd
03:06<jm_>it should say loading initrd .........
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03:06<tmg1|hardy>yea it gets past 'ready' and scrolls quickly to kernel panic
03:07<s_i_m>weasel, thanks
03:07<tmg1|hardy>'unable to mount root fs on unknown block(1,0)
03:07<zem>User600: what is it?
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03:07<marvin>User600: what is the ip?
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03:07<weasel>s_i_m: (I have no idea how well it works with fonts that one finds commonly on a linux system. but I like the page)
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03:08<weasel>tmg1|hardy: that's a bug in the installer. talk to debian-boot.
03:08<zem>User600: have you tried to run dhclient?
03:08<tmg1|hardy>weasel: thanks
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03:09<User600>zem: no, all I tried is reinstall Debian. I am sort of new to Debian and have never heard of dhclient.
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03:10<zem>User600: when you log in, try running dhclient
03:10<zem>User600: dhclient eth0
03:11<jm_>don't run dhclient manually
03:11<zem>or don't
03:11<jm_>configure it in interfaces file
03:11<zem>jm_ knows more than i do, you should listen to him :)
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03:12<User600>zem: is it part of the Debian CD installation, or do I have to get it?
03:12<zem>User600: i think it gets instaled with debian
03:13<User600>zem: OK, so I boot up Debian from the grub chooser, then what do I do?
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03:14<zem>User600: i usualy configure my network by hand, but if you don't know, runing dhclient usualy works
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03:15<jm_>User600: see above, check the file first
03:15<s_i_m>weasel, I have tried it but without any success. Anyway, that page can be helpful
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03:17<User600>jm_: so I run Debian, then I go to the screen interface and I type: dhclient eth0?
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03:17<zem>User600: nope
03:17<jm_>User600: no, check the interfaces file (man interfaces)
03:17<jm_>login as root first
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03:17<jm_>also run "ls /sys/class/net" to see if any network cards are detected
03:18<User600>zem: so I login as root first. Then I do: man interfaces . Then What?
03:19<suiside>then you read
03:22<zem>(i don't even have man entry for interfaces)
03:22<jm_>that's just to tell him where the file is
03:23<zem>locate interfaces
03:23<zem>(wong console)
03:23<eliteforce>ifupdown: /usr/share/man/man5/interfaces.5.gz
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03:27<ghost>hi all
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03:27<ghost>i have a problem with my debian thin client server
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03:28<ghost>everytime i make a session, the mouse works but the keyboard doesn't
03:28<User600>zem, jm_ and eliteforce: Folks, I truly appreciate your help so far. I am on EST and it's about 3:30AM and I got to get some shuteye. Are any of you folks going to be on this IRC tomorrow and about what time?
03:28<ghost>the only keyboard keys that work, are strangely the numeric keys
03:29<eliteforce>User600: there always will be someone to help you, no matter what time ;)
03:30<User600>eliteforce: thank you so much. I'm off now.
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03:36<ghost>can anyone help me with this problem ?
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03:36<dih>patience is a virtue ;-)
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03:37<ghost>cool, i just kinda stressed cuz it's a problem for my companies clients and everyones calling in....
03:37<dih>ghost: when you make a 'new session'... can you be a bit more specific?
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03:38<dih>ghost: people want something from _you_ - you have all the time to solve issues you need.
03:38<dih>dont feel stressed ;-)
03:38<dih>you cannot do more than you can do
03:38<dih>so - session
03:39<dih>you mean a tty? kdm? gdm?
03:39<ghost>i use NX(nomachine) to create a thin client sessionm the user can type username and password but as soon as they get there desktop they cannot type, but the mouse works
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03:43<antifa>half a year ago i installed debian and tvout in X worked fine without any configuration, now after reinstall tvout in X is not working... in login shell i have tvout but as soon as I start X, tv screen gets weird :( any idea?
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03:55<bayar_>hello all
03:56<bayar_>i whant to resetup mysql-server
03:56<bayar_>what should i do te remove mysql-server and all his files in /etc/mysql/ ...
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03:58<sheldonh>when tiobench shows you number of threads and rate in MB/s, is the rate per thread, or cumulative for all threads?
04:02<weasel>I would guess cumulative
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04:03<Lethalman>bayar_, i' not sure if this will completely reset but try dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server or aptitude reinstall mysql-server
04:03<weasel>bayar_: purge it, then install it again.
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04:04<sheldonh>weasel: the source is a bit mesy, so i'm having trouble confirming
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04:12<sheldonh>weasel: it's the difference between "this hardware isn't gonna cut it" and "woohoo, more than enough" :)
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04:12<sheldonh>weasel: random write throughput on this dell perc5/i (low end LSI) could be as low as 4.2MByte/sec if you're right :(
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04:14<sheldonh>weasel: hey! you're the maintainer :)
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04:19<bayar_>Lethalman, weasel i have this erro whene trying te reinstall
04:19<bayar_>can i post the error?
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04:33<sheldonh>weasel: so... i think you're right. which means that these controllers do a terrible job of managing work from lots of clients
04:34*sheldonh tells dpkg that dell is a sad face
04:36<Lethalman>bayar_, you removed /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf
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04:36<bayar_>yes Lethalman
04:36<Lethalman>bayar_, did you do purge then install instead of doing reconfigure?
04:36<stew>bayar_: do you need sarge compatibility?
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04:37<bayar_>stew i dont understand u
04:37<stew>bayar_: do you need to support clients running debian sarge (aka the no longer supported 'oldstable')
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04:38<bayar_>Lethalman, yes i used apt-get remove --purge mysql-server-5.0
04:38<stew>bayar_: then "dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0" and turn off sarge compatibility. the postinst script is trying to write /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf becuase you have it configured for sarge compatibility but it can't becuase the conf.d directory doesn't exist
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04:39<bayar_>stew conf.d doesn't exist
04:39<bayar_>i whant to reinstall mysql-server with the default value
04:39<stew>bayar_: yes, that is the problem that is causing the error you are getting. it is trying to write a file to a non-existant directory
04:40<stew>bayar_: if you reconfigure mysql-server and turn of sarge compatibility it will no longer try to write this file. you could also create the conf.d directory and let it create the file
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04:40<bayar_>stew /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: mysql-server-5.0 is broken or not fully installed
04:41<seanius>bayar_: dpkg --configure -a, then purge via apt/aptitude
04:41<stew>bayar_: then create the directory first
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04:41<stew>dpkg --configure fails becuase of the missing conf.d directory
04:41<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, stew
04:42<seanius>ah, clearly i'm not paying close enough attention, so i defer to stew :)
04:42<bayar_>mkdir conf.d
04:42<bayar_>in /etc/mysql
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04:42<bayar_>/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: mysql-server-5.0 is broken or not fully installed
04:42<bayar_>the same error
04:42<stew>bayar_: "dpkg --configure -a" after creating the conf.d
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04:44<stew>bayar_: oh, you deleted the entire /etc/mysql directory at some point i guess, /msg dpkg confmiss
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04:45<stew>bayar_: and note that my.cnf is owned by mysql-common not by mysql-server-5.0
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04:46<bayar_>and if i reinstall mysql-comon .
04:46<stew>bayar_: you need to resintall it with confmiss
04:46<stew>bayar_: /msg dpkg confmiss
04:48<bayar_>stew i dont undertand
04:48<stew>bayar_: did you /msg the bot named dpkg? did you not understand what her reply?
04:48<bayar_>that reply nothing
04:48<dpkg>the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
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04:52<DTE>hi all
04:52<DTE>i have some strange problem
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04:52<DTE>i have a server configured with a real ip address and a virtual ip made by ip tools
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04:53<DTE>i have a iptable rule that allow connections from my private network coming to all the ip address on the server
04:54<DTE>when i connect to the real ip it works, but not when i try to the virtual ip
04:54<DTE>virtual ip = secondary ip
04:54<stew>bayar_: looks good
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04:54<sheldonh>are there sysctls that allow one to increase the kernel's prioritisation of memory allocation for the buffer cache?
04:54<bayar_>i start the server now ?
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04:55<stew>bayar_: it is already started
04:55<stew>bayar_: "Starting MySQL database server: mysqld."
04:55<bayar_>stew, ok thanxs
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04:55<bayar_>now i whant to redirect /etc/lib/mysql to /hom/mysql
04:56<bayar_>now i whant to redirect /etc/lib/mysql to /home/mysql
04:56<bayar_>now i whant to redirect /var/lib/mysql to /home/mysql
04:57<bayar_>im trying to do that the first time whene mysql-server is brokin
04:58<bayar_>i have modifyd the my.cnf
04:58<DTE>bayar_: you want just force mysql to use that home/mysql instead the original one?
04:58<bayar_>DTE yes
04:58<bayar_>i have changed this line
04:58<DTE>you could just modify the my.cnf
04:59<bayar_>datadir = /var/lib/mysql
04:59<bayar_>and oops
04:59<bayar_>the server dont whant to restart aigain
04:59<DTE>what did you write?
05:00<bayar_>DTE if i change datadir = /var/lib/mysql
05:00<bayar_>datadir = /home/mysql
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05:00<bayar_>i have many bugs
05:00<bayar_>that dos'nt work
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05:00<DTE>what the logs say?
05:00<stew>bayar_: does /home/mysql exist? does it have the same permissions as /var/lib/mysql? did you copy the data from /var/lib/mysql to /home/mysql?
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05:01<bayar_>no stew /hom/mysql from an other server
05:01<bayar_>i copied /home/mysql from an other server
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05:02<DTE>bayar_: check the permission
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05:02<stew>bayar_: show us the errors
05:02<bayar_>drwxr-xr-x 53 mysql mysql 12288 2008-07-02 09:43 mysql
05:03<bayar_>drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql mysql 4096 2008-07-02 10:52 mysql
05:03<bayar_>the first one the /home/mysql
05:03<bayar_>the second /var/lib/mysql
05:04<bayar_>stew i wil chage the datadir now
05:04<weasel>what is /home/mysql supposed to be?
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05:04<KaiSVK>hi all, I just wanted to ask, does anyone know how to use "ICQ transport" to jabber in pidgin ??
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05:06<DTE>bayar_: and all the data in the home/dir? the permissions?
05:07<bayar_>DTE stew
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05:08<bayar_>DTE yes
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05:09<stew>bayar_: read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/README.Debian
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05:09<bayar_>i modified them chown & chgrp
05:10<stew>bayar_: this isn't becuase of the filesystem permsissions its becuase either the debian-sys-maint user is missing or the password in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf is incorrect
05:10<DTE>bayar_: ahh...i know what ahppened
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05:10<DTE>yes...copy also the mysql db you copied the debian-sys-maint password from the other server
05:10<DTE>so you have to copy the password from the other server
05:11<bayar_>DTE the other server dosn't exist now
05:11<DTE>uhm...i don't know if there's a procedure to recover debian-sys-maint password
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05:12<DTE>if the server would be up, you could log as root and change it
05:13<DTE>uhm...check if server is up first
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05:15<DaveKong>Is there a guide for registering nicks on this server somewhere?
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05:18<eliteforce>themill: heh the difference is that cdebootstrap doesn't install makedev to create some additional devs xD
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05:20<themill>eliteforce: ahhh... interesting. You can probably hint that somewhere in the config files. Has sid's cdebootstrap got that fixed already?
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05:26<DTE>uhm....if i change the directory in a imap i have to restart the server to make them available?
05:27<bayar_>/etc/init.d/mysql restart
05:27<bayar_>Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed!
05:27<bayar_>Starting MySQL database server: mysqld already running.
05:27<bayar_>/usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
05:27<bayar_>error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)'
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05:32<zem>anyone using pidgin having problem with icq?
05:32<jm_>many people are having problems with icq
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05:32<DTE>bayar_: ps auxw | grep mysql
05:33<zem>it just started to tell me that i need a newer version
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06:02<yoelion>can anyone help with splashy ? I don't get the theme I want on boot. just on shutdown
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06:35<b3r>hi there
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06:36<b3r>I need help uninstalling sudo on ubuntu
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06:37<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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06:38<Nikki85>sorry, i m new n i need help
06:38<Nikki85>is anybody here free to help me?
06:39<LvYou>hello,i want to change a debian system from i686 to x86_64.currently i installed linux-image-xxx-amd64 succesfully.
06:39<jm_>you need to reinstall
06:39<LvYou>but other applications from apt also got xxx-i386.deb
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06:40<Nikki85>checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
06:40<Nikki85>anybody knows how to solve that?
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06:40<pumpkin0>LvYou: switching from one arch to another is a non-trival task and reinstalling is faster (even if you spend the next week reconfiguring your programs.
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06:41<jm_>install libx11-dev
06:41<pumpkin0>Nikki85: what are you trying to do ?
06:41<Nikki85>pumpkin0, i m trying to install a theme
06:41<Nikki85>pumpkin0, for that i need kdm theme manager
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06:41<Nikki85>pumpkin0, when i run ./configure
06:41<LvYou><jm_> you need to reinstall--this is the big problem... the lazy remote IDC only give me debian ""testing"" version,and refuse to make a new install media...
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06:42<Nikki85>pumpkin0, i can't make excutable
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06:42<Nikki85>pumpkin0, then i installed build-essential
06:42<jm_>LvYou: use debootstrap method from existing installation? but it won't be trivial
06:42<pumpkin0>Nikki85: why do you compile? why doyou not use the ready-made deb-packages?
06:42<Nikki85>pumpkin0, it solved that, but then that error came out
06:42<Nikki85>pumpkin0, where to find that?
06:43<pumpkin0>Nikki85: kdm theme manager? aptitude.
06:43<Nikki85>pumpkin0, i jz followed the instructions
06:43<Nikki85>pumpkin0, so now what command should i use?
06:43<pumpkin0>Nikki85: run as root: "apt-get install kdmtheme".
06:45<LvYou>debootstrap i'm searching the web for more informations,thank you jm_
06:45<Nikki85>pumpkin0, its the same if install it through adept manager right?
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06:45<jm_>LvYou: it's in the install manual
06:45<pumpkin0>Nikki85: yes.
06:45<Nikki85>pumpkin0, i installed it once, but nothing happened after that, i can't find the theme manager
06:46<Nikki85>pumpkin0, funny
06:46<Nikki85>pumpkin0, now i see it!!!
06:46<LvYou>ok, i'm going to have a check.
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06:46<Nikki85>pumpkin0, thanks for ur help lol, i m new, i will see whether i can install themes correctly now
06:47<pumpkin0>Nikki85: newer ever compile something unless you really, really have to.
06:48<Nikki85>pumpkin0, ok
06:50<Nikki85>pumpkin0, y the theme manager wasn't in my appearance settings?
06:50<Nikki85>pumpkin0, but when i install it through the konsole, it appers
06:52<Nikki85>pumpkin0, i should install .kth files as new theme in theme manager right?
06:52<pumpkin0>Nikki85: yes.
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06:54<Nikki85>pumpkin0, it says: theme is not a valid kdm theme
06:54<Nikki85>pumpkin0, i m trying to install NuovexT 2.5.kth
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06:55<Zoup>how can i use output of badblock command on mkfs to prevent creation of filesystem on damaged sectors of disk ?
06:55<pumpkin0>Nikki85: ask the creator of the theme why he publish non-working themes.
06:55<jm_>you don't need to, you can have mkfs fire up badblocks
06:56<pumpkin0>Zoup: You don?t want a fs on that drive. trust me: if a disk has badblocks then it is done for.
06:56<Nikki85>pumpkin0, so normally it works? i have tried another one, n its not working as well.... :(
06:56<pumpkin0>Nikki85: where did you download these themes from ?
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06:57<pumpkin0>Nikki85: and they are made for the KDE-Version you have installed ?
06:57<Zoup>jm_: what you mean by fireup ? is every mkfs have to option to skip bad blocks ?
06:57<Nikki85>pumpkin0, i searched it under kde 3.2-3.5 themes
06:57<jm_>Zoup: read about -c option for mkfs
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06:58<Zoup>jm_: the problem is , -c prevent creation of file system , its just skipping bad blocks
06:58<pumpkin0>Nikki85: and you are running KDE 3.2-3.5 ?
06:58<Nikki85>pumpkin0, i did all the instructions as it says in the README file, jz having problems in installing new themes
06:58<Nikki85>pumpkin0, i m running kde 3.5.9
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06:58<pumpkin0>Nikki85: which README-file ?
06:59<Nikki85>pumpkin0, from NuovexT 2.5 theme
06:59<jm_>Zoup: no, it doesn't prevent it, it only causes it to run badblocks command and then it should not use the sectors reported as bad
06:59<Nikki85>pumpkin0, it comes along together after i extracted it
06:59<Zoup>jm_: great , thank you :)
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07:02<Nikki85>pumpkin0, The file is not a valid KDM theme archive.
07:02<pumpkin0>Nikki85: i don?t have that theme and i don?t know what is in the README. The usual way is to extract and read the theme-file with kdetheme. Nothing fancy.
07:02<Nikki85>pumpkin0, that was the error msg i received
07:03<Nikki85>pumpkin0, so basically is jz installing .kth file using theme manager right?
07:03<pumpkin0>Nikki85: yes.
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07:04<Nikki85>pumpkin0, i will try restarting, n try again, thx for ur help
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07:18<Nemoder>anyone else able to run audacious 1.5.1 in Lenny?
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07:21<eliteforce>themill_: cdebootstraps lenny version == sid version. comparing files between deboot. and cdeboot. doesn't make much sense since deboot. seems to work with sh scripts while cdeboot. works with config files :/
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07:25<Nemoder>oh weird, audacious was updated but not audacious-plugins
07:26<Nemoder>and the old plugins are not compatible with the new version :/
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07:26<eliteforce>Nemoder: if you still have the old package in your cache, you could rollback ;)
07:27<Nemoder>just grabbed the new plugins from sid, seems to be working now
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07:30<Nearsight>hi everyone
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07:32<Nearsight>I'm trying to 'make' an application which doesn't cpmpile with the newest gcc version, which won't work, cause of a bug ( I could resolve this, if I could use an older gcc version... is there any simple command allowing me to do that?
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07:33<Nearsight>I already tried reading die make-documentation, but couldn't get any further...
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07:34<jm_>which older version do you need?
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07:35<Nearsight>any 4.2.x might do it, I guess
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07:35<jm_>then just install it and tell this app to use it
07:35<eliteforce>another funny thing is what diff says, themill_: File /lenny/dev/zero is a character special file while file /testing/dev/zero is a character special file :D
07:35<Nearsight>teh bug report states, it's not working with 4.3.x
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07:36<Nearsight>jm_: can I install gcc, without conflicting the newer version?
07:36<jm_>Nearsight: yeah sure, apt-cache search gcc- - pick the one you want and install it
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07:37<Nearsight>jm_: I'll try that one, thx so far
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07:39<Nearsight>jm_: do I have to remove 4.3 or is there any command with 'make' to use 4.2 instead of 4.3?
07:39<jm_>Nearsight: does it use configure script?
07:40<Nikki85>can somebody tell me where to find my k control center?
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07:40<Nearsight>it does
07:40<Nikki85>i can't find it in menu-->settings
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07:40<jm_>CC=gcc-4.2 ./configure should work
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07:40<jm_>maybe you also need CXX if it's a C++ app
07:42<Nearsight>jm_: configuring works like that, but when i 'make' the source, i still got that error. seems like it's still using gcc 4.3
07:43<jm_>Nearsight: then say make CC=gcc-4.2
07:43<Nearsight>jm_: ah ok, i tried 'CC=gcc-4.2 make'
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07:45<Nearsight>jm_: hm, won't work either... if i remove gcc 4.3 in aptitude,i can savely reinstall it after making the source?
07:46<Nearsight>jm_: shouldn't be a problem, does it?
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07:56<Nikki85>lol, funny how come KDE doesn't put kcontrol in the start menu/settings by default
07:56<Nikki85>i had to kmenuedit
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08:34<Woet>how can I install both proftpd and vsftpd at once, but on different ports?
08:34<Woet>apt-get refuses.
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08:35<jm_>you can't
08:35<Zathraz>manually download package #1, install, reconfigure it for another port as the usual FTP port
08:35<Woet>how to manually download it?
08:36<Zathraz>then download the other package
08:36<Zathraz>ftp to a server or click on the web
08:36<Woet>ah, i found the rpm
08:36<Zathraz>RPM ?
08:36<Zathraz>swearing in a church is not polite
08:36<Zathraz>this is Debian....
08:36<Zathraz>we do not work with RPM
08:36<Zathraz>Debian uses .deb
08:37<Woet>i meant .deb, sorry
08:37<Zathraz>but you are free to fuck up your own system
08:37<Zathraz>np ;-)
08:37<Woet>just downloading I guess
08:37*Maulkin sighs
08:37<dpkg>methinks arch is a source control revision system that developers can use to develop projects in a distributed fashion. Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at, or, or #arch
08:37<dpkg>somebody said archlinux was a i686 optimized linux distribution which claims to be minimalistic and fast, has binary and source based package management, or #archlinux @
08:38<Maulkin>There we go, head over there
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08:39<Woet>both sites are down
08:39<Woet>( and
08:39<Zathraz>freenode works fine
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08:39<Woet>you give me 2 links, they both are wrong
08:40<Woet>what does that have to do with freenode?
08:40<Zathraz>please reread
08:40<Woet>i already found it at
08:40<Maulkin>Woet: That's not debian. Please go to #archlinux @
08:41<Zathraz>archlinux is NOT supported here
08:41<Woet>like said, I will just download proftpd.
08:41<Zathraz>archlinux <> debian
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08:53<eliteforce>how can I search for all symbolic links that link to a certain file?
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08:53<jm_>eliteforce: info find
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09:06<eliteforce>and what's the proper way to disable the start of a service at boot (rcX.d)
09:06<jm_>man update-rc.d
09:06<jm_>rm also works
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09:06<jm_>there are front-ends for this
09:07<[prometheus_]>eliteforce, aptitude install rcconf
09:07<eliteforce>jm_: I don't really need a frontend. but how'd I re-enable it if i deleted the link?
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09:09<jm_>eliteforce: man update-rc.d :)
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09:12<eliteforce>jm_: it says that it's a common error to delete the links. and renaming them from S to K is the proper way of doing it :P
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09:14<jm_>eliteforce: yeah if you don't want it running -- typicially one removes packages if daemon is not needed
09:15<eliteforce>yeah but I still want to be able to run it, just not at boot time (:
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09:19<miksuh>How this new xorg works? I made clean Lenny install and it worked wery well
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09:20<miksuh>but now I don't seem to be able to get higher refresh rate than 60Hz
09:20<miksuh>1024x768 60Hz is awful because I don't have TF %-)
09:20<eliteforce>miksuh: just configure your xorg.conf properly
09:20<jm_>i.e. manually :P
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09:20<miksuh>this my old computer has radeon 7000 so it should use opensource ati-driver
09:21<eliteforce>jm_: yeah most tools create crap configs :/
09:21<miksuh>eliteforce: but lenny has Xorg 7.3 right? And it tries to autoconfigure all right? The default xorg.conf looks wery simple
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09:21<jm_>eliteforce: it doesn't even bother nowadays
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09:23<eliteforce>well, it *tries* and *fails* :p
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09:25<eliteforce>does X actually log that it couldn't detect e.g. the monitor properly?
09:25<miksuh>How can I see what driver it uses when all there is in xorg.conf is something like: Section "Device" Idntifier "configured Video Device" EndSection
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09:25<miksuh>and similar section for the monitor
09:26<jm_>look in the logfile
09:26<miksuh>yep that should tell
09:26<miksuh>I'll check
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09:27<miksuh>eliteforce: I tried to add my Dell P110 monitor to xorg.conf and then use it, but it not help. it works in etch..
09:27<miksuh>Dell P1110
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09:29<eliteforce>miksuh: and you're sure you configured it properly? double check the log
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09:33<miksuh>hmm atleast it seems to recognize the radeon 7000
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09:55<miksuh>damn, still just 60hz, don't know what i'm missing..
09:56<zem>i have the same problem, not the same video card thou...
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10:01<|v|4s7e|2>how do i set a folder and all sub files and folders readable and writable to everyone
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10:12<helps>hey. when using cpio, which will be faster, ssh (lowest encryption) or nfs ? to copy inside my lan
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10:14<jMCg>helps: TIAS?
10:15<jMCg>Try, and see.
10:15<jMCg>I don't think anyone can answer that question ad-hoc, without trying it out.
10:15<jMCg>So why not make this wonderful experience yourself?
10:15<helps>I am...
10:15<helps>thought you had some experience with it as well
10:15<Zathraz>do please tell.... ;-)
10:16<Zathraz>I think NFS will be faster
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10:20<helps>calc question. If I connect my 2 server via cat5 cable and both are 1000 I should get 128MB/s which is 46GB per hour... true ? those servers are not doing anything else.
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10:21<DTE>helps: it depend which protocol you use
10:22<DTE>raw ethernet speed shoud be that
10:22<helps>which is the fastest ??
10:22<DTE>i really don't know...usually i use ftp for fast transfer
10:22<helps>I need to know which will perform at maximum capacity? security is no issue here.
10:22<Zathraz>helps, not all NICs perform the same way even if they claim to be 1gbit
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10:23<helps>Zathraz: those are 2 new IBM x3550 servers, I am sure they are what they calim
10:23<Zathraz>there is a reason why for instance intell NICs are a bit more expensive than NICs based opn realtek chipsets
10:23<DTE>helps: you can try...install a ssh, ftp or nfs server doesn't require much time
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10:24<helps>I'm doing both nfs and ssh now, copied 40GB in about 4 hours....
10:24<helps>seems slow
10:24<DTE>helps: try iperf to check ethernet speed
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10:27<helps>I got iptraf
10:27<DTE>no no use iperf
10:29<helps>k. brb
10:29<miksuh>Okey now it works :) It just did not recognize the monitor
10:29<miksuh>It was not really lennys's fault at all
10:30<miksuh>Now when I think it, I had similar problem with this same monitor once before
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10:31<miksuh>for some reason linux can't detect it's type, but correct HorizSync and VertRefresh values in xorg.conf help
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10:35<zem>i tried changing vsync and hsync, doesn't help...
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10:37<helps>DTE: how ?? tried iperf -s -u -f MBytes it's listenening on some port... finds nothing
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10:38<helps>how do I set it to listen to eth1 ?
10:38<zem>any way to force iw3 not to start in offline mode?
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10:38<miksuh>weird thing is that my main computer, which runs etch, don't have those HorizSync and VertRefresh values in the xorg.conf. But in that computer i use fglrs. Maybe it has something to do with that.
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10:39<DTE>helps: iperf -s on one host
10:39<miksuh>(this monitor has 2 inputs)
10:39<DTE>iperf -c on the other host
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10:40<miksuh>fglrs = fglrx
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10:42<tzafrir_laptop>I hope that the following question is not too stupid:
10:42<helps>DTE: I got ftp servers installed on both servers. How do I transfer forom 1 to the other ?
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10:43<tzafrir_laptop>how do I generate a .p12 certificate file?
10:43<tzafrir_laptop>(I need one for testing)
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10:43<DTE>helps: before try that with check if eth works well
10:43<helps>DTE: I dont have / cant install it on both
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10:44<DTE>then start ftp server...and transfer some big files
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10:44<helps>brb. I'll try iperf
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10:45<zero_>somebody know how works the samba policies for PDC??
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10:47<helps>DTE: connected.
10:47<helps>Interval Transfer Bandwidth
10:47<helps> 0.0-10.0 sec 1.09 GBytes 939 Mbits/sec
10:48<DTE> it on the other side
10:48<helps>you mean the client - host and the host client ?
10:49<helps>because I got this " 0.0-10.0 sec 1.09 GBytes 938 Mbits/sec" on the host and this "0.0-10.0 sec 1.09 GBytes 939 Mbits/sec" on the client
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10:50<helps>trying with -u for udp. 0.0-10.0 sec 1.25 MBytes 1.05 Mbits/sec 0.022 ms 0/ 893 (0%)
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10:51<helps>what does it mean?? udp is slow and tcp is max?
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10:59<helps>ftp question, I've never used a console ftp. once connected how do I d/l files to a certain location ?
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11:00<helps>get * /my/path ?
11:01<helps>does ftp preserve file perms ?
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11:09<tzafrir_laptop>duh, he could have used 'cd', of course
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11:13<petemc>sounds like he wanted lcd
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11:15<themill_>sounds like he wants something other than ftp...
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11:15<DTE>uhm...i get a strange behavior with vnc and xen domU
11:15<DTE>who is running xen?
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11:16<petemc>lots of people, myself included
11:16<petemc>not with vnc, tho
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11:17<DTE>i'm trying to virtualize a works well...but the mouse in the vnc is something strange
11:17<DTE>is not syncronized with thge pointer on my side :-)
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11:18<petemc>i only use paravirt linux, no idea
11:18<petemc>there are gpl windows drivers you might want to look at
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11:19<DTE>i don't think it's a driver problem
11:19<DTE>maybe a bug or something wrong in the vnc protocol
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11:21<jifix>hi i have a debian lenny (testing) but when i visit few sites my system goes terrible slow
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11:21<jifix>not only the browser but everything
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11:21<jifix>when i close the site everything come to normal again
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11:22<jifix>i am using iceweasel
11:22<jifix>but i have use epiphany with gecko and webkit
11:22<jifix>and it is the same story
11:22<DTE>some flash sites maybe?
11:22<jifix>can anyone help me
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11:23<jifix>look at this site for example
11:24<jifix>this makes my system too too must slow
11:24<jifix>and it have no flash
11:24<DTE>i'm not on debian now
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11:25<jifix>it has only php and javascripts
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11:28<miksuh>well php can't affect local speed, because php is server technology
11:28<jifix>i know it
11:28<jifix>what should be the problem then
11:29<petemc>my processor usage spikes when i visit that site
11:29<miksuh>jitix: maybe bad javascript scripts
11:30<miksuh>(i have not tested that site)
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11:32<jifix>i find flash on it
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11:34<jifix>a good plug-in to disable flash?
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11:34<qq_>ah thous crap flash-ies
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11:42<seanius>jifix: flashblocker is great
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11:44<jifix>i will try it thanks
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11:49<Zathraz>Hi. I am looking for Debian packages equivalent to "shadow-utils' or 'pwdutils'
11:49<kop>I want to start using git (on etch). What packages should I install besides git-core and git-doc?
11:50<Laeborg>[1040] dbconn: mysql_connect: Too many connections - what can I do? Have tried to change max_connections too 1000 and this just come with the same error
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11:51<kop>Zathraz : What do those packages do?
11:51<jifix>the problem for my case was flash
11:52<ansgar>kop: I think gitk is very helpful.
11:52<Zathraz>my issue is the following: Samba 3 on Debian Etch running tbdsam as backend
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11:52<Zathraz>I mapped some ntgroup groups to linux groups
11:53<Zathraz>now I want via smb.conf script to add users to groups using the windows GUI tools (Domain Admin)
11:53<Zathraz>however usermod wants a linux groupname, not a ntgroup name so it seems
11:54<Zathraz>on freenode #samba I was told that a certain tool I was looking for memgroup by George Kraft was included in those packages
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11:54<Zathraz>and that *might* do the trick for me
11:55<kop>Zathraz : If you know the name of the program, then I think apt-file will search for it and tell you the package. (After install and "apt-file update", IIRC.)
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11:57<Zathraz>shows up clear. Thanks kop
11:58<Zathraz>however, problem remains
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11:58<Zathraz>the samba package in debian is somewhat retarded imho
11:58<Zathraz>but should I really write a script of my own to do something sooooo basic
11:59<Zathraz>also tricky as I cannot quote for a password
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12:04<Kainz>anybody know any good Hardware monitor tools to linux no-gui
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12:05<telenieko>Hi. Since some days ago when I suspend my computer it does so fine, but on Resume I will see the Dell BIOS botting as If I wasn't suspended, but I was.. ;(
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12:16<jifix>Kaiz top is good
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12:17<fxiny>has gone . apt-cache search lm-sensors , collectd-sensors and so on
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12:39<helpdesk>quem está ai
12:40<Gazzu>whene is a good time to run apt-get update?
12:41<helpdesk>o meu sistema ta com um problema na hora
12:41<helpdesk>coloquei um server no ar
12:41<helpdesk>mas estou com um problema
12:41<helpdesk>no horário
12:42-!-mode/#debian [+l 371] by debhelper
12:42<helpdesk>não esta sincronizando o horario da maquina
12:42<helpdesk>com o do sistema
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12:43<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:44<VTommy>hello guys
12:44<VTommy>anyone know of a good program for name server hosting
12:46<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
12:46<themill_>stevecotton: close.
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12:57*dsb waves
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12:59*fxiny surfs
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13:01<rs>Hello, I seem to have a problem getting two 3Com 3c905B cards working in my debian etch... they both show up in lspci, 3c95x shows up in lsmod... but nothing about them is mentioned in dmesg... and trying ifconfig eth1 gives me "Device not found".... any ideas ?
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13:05<blarson>rs: What devices does ifconfig -a show?
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13:06<rs>haha.. thanks.. why on earth did it skip 1 2 3 4 ?
13:06<rs>got eth1, 5 and 6
13:07<rs>1 5 and 6 actually
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13:07<blarson>rs: blame udev
13:07<rs>I'll be sure to do that... thanks at least ;)
13:08<blarson>rs: you can change it's files in /etc to get the devices numbered the way you want
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13:09<rs>does it always apply the same naming scheme ? ie... they won
13:09<rs>'t move for some weird reason
13:09<rs>and I hate this keyboard!
13:10<blarson>rs: It remembers what ethernet address is associated with which eth? interface.
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13:10<dpkg>i guess z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>
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13:12<rs>blarson: ahh.. okey.. well.. thanks.. I'm of.. time to move the box
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13:35<jmux>Hi. I'm trying to get an passive AVM ISDN Fritz card (PCMCIA) reliably running with 2.6.25-2-686 and also tried vanilla using the hisax driver
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13:35<jmux>Most times it works flawlessly, but sometimes when I push the card into the PCMCIA slot, my dmesg get fooded:
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13:35<jmux>[ 1208.913943] HiSax: if_readstatus called with invalid driverId!
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13:36<jmux>which effectly stalls it (mouse and X freezed)
13:36<jmux>Does anybody know, if this is a kernel problem, or some problem with the Etch isdnutils?
13:36<jmux>The system is running Etch
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14:12<lsj4l5d>how can i use the debconf database from one system for a fresh install of a new one?
14:12<lsj4l5d>i want to install exactly the same packages and configure them exactly the same way.
14:12<pumpkin0>lsj4l5d: clone the HD ?
14:12<lsj4l5d>simply copy /var/cache/debconf to the new system?
14:13<pumpkin0>lsj4l5d: and /etc/ if you really want the same system.
14:13<lsj4l5d>pumpkin0: that's not an option as the new system is to compare md5sums (to find trunkated files)
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14:13<pumpkin0>lsj4l5d: ?
14:13<fxiny>!set/get selecions
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14:13<lsj4l5d>pumpkin0: ok, so first copy /var/cache/debconf and /etc/ to the new system and then set/get selections + dselect-upgrade?
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14:13<fxiny>!set selecion
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14:14<E0x>lsj4l5d: for install exactly the same you can do : in the original system : dpkg --get-selections > dpkglist.txt && in the destination system : dpkg --set-selections < dpkglist.txt && apt-get -y update apt-get dselect-upgrade
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14:14<avu>lsj4l5d, there are debconf-{set,get}-selections in debconf-utils
14:14<fxiny>wait , there is a factoid --get-selections/--set-selections
14:14<avu>lsj4l5d, which fxiny is trying to tell you I think :)
14:14<lsj4l5d>avu: that sounds great
14:15<fxiny>avu: can't remeber the abra-dpkg-cadabra
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14:15<avu>fxiny, you mean dpkg the bot, right? :)
14:15<avu>because the --{g,s}et-selections of dpkg, the program, is something different than what lsj4l5d wants :)
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14:16<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone>
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14:16<fxiny>avu: yes the real ruler ;)
14:16<lsj4l5d>!debian clone
14:16<dpkg>One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone>
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14:17<avu>that will still just clone the package selections, not the debconf answers
14:17<lsj4l5d>great, i think debconf-[gs]et-selections was the one I searched
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14:17<avu>lsj4l5d, I think so too :)
14:17<E0x>that is exactly what i say 4 minutes ago
14:18<fxiny>ohh yes , busy scanning my head
14:18<avu>you told him to use dpkg --{g,s}et-selections
14:18<avu>which is not at all what he asked for
14:19<E0x>i mean !debian clone
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14:19<avu>indeed. so the wrong answer was said by you *and* the bot. yay. ;)
14:19<fxiny>debian clone is mirrodir , cp , dd , and so on
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14:20<fxiny>set/get is a quasi-cloning
14:20<fxiny>set/get is an install
14:22<fxiny>exaclty as the bot said "cloning debian installs"
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14:24<lsj4l5d>thanks for your help
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14:28<fxiny>lsj4l5d: you could have saved your configs with filetraq
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14:43<flee>can xp read a ext3 formatted partition?
14:44<fxiny>yes , with proper drivers
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14:46<flee>want a shared drive between dual-boot for file transfers between OS's
14:46<fxiny>yes , you can use an ext3 formatted partiton for sharing
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14:48<fxiny>you can mount ntfs on your debian
14:49<fxiny>but is you run xp just say for gaming , you can use ext3 to store your iso
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15:04<ozdeb>can anyone help me sort out problem with timezone after kernel upgrade ?
15:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
15:06<ozdeb>I have upgraded to latest lenny kernel 2.6.24 and now time is messed up. I get all sort of warnings, I tried googling but can't find a solution
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15:07<ozdeb>currently I tried adding HWCLOCKPARS="--directisa" to /etc/default/rcS but that doesn't work for me
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15:08<flee>how about rw for ntfs
15:08<flee>i can mount my ntfs drive, but if i try to copy a file i get an error that the file does not exist. i can read/play any file though.
15:08<flee>any ideas?
15:08<dpkg>If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs
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15:09<dpkg>i heard ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through for Etch (ask me about <> for instructions and see Usage examples:
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15:10<ozdeb>anyone ? ideas about "broken" hwclock ?
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15:16<fxiny> flee right ntfs-3g , but what i'm trying to say is : on a dual boot usually ntfs is used for sharing , but some xp drivers can read ext3 partitions very well , so why not using ext3 when the primary os , the most used is linux and xp does only some games loading iso stored on ext3 ?
15:16<Tecumseh>hi there, I have a small question. I'm currently doing a debootstrap installation of lenny and I run into a little problem with the tzconfig. The system claims that tzconfig is not to be found. Is there something wrong with the tzdata package in lenny?
15:17<fxiny>linuix does it better
15:18<fxiny>you'll see
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15:22<fxiny>Tecumseh: tzconfig is for sarge etch , lenny and sid dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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15:22<Tecumseh>ah, thx
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15:26<perof>i suppose there is no ETA for lenny yet?
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15:26<dpkg>Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see, or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: and see "Number concerning the next release:"
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15:50<Tecumseh>Found another problem with lenny, has the package locales been replaces by util-linux-locales?
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16:08<not4u>fxiny: did you say use ntfs or use ext3?
16:08<not4u>for the shared partition?
16:09<not4u>or anyone? xp and linux
16:09<Tecumseh>he said use ext3
16:09<Tecumseh>because there are good drivers for xp to use ext3
16:10<Tecumseh>advantage is that you keep the filerights management from linux
16:11<not4u>any drivers that could decrypt an encrypted ext3 pertition?
16:11<not4u>or apps with that function
16:11<not4u>i should ask this in #windows
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16:12<Tecumseh>I haven't got a clue about that anyway ;)
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16:14<not4u>so. what permissions do i want to set on the drive?
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16:15<Tecumseh>you'll want to keep your basic filerights in your linux setup
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16:16<not4u>and xp will be able to read the data?
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16:19<Tecumseh>don't know what driver I used with a friends pc running kubuntu and xp. It was one of these: or
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16:24<zlx>anyone know where I can find a howto to install intel 3945abg wifi card?
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16:26<stew>zlx: "/msg dpkg iwlwifi" or "/msg dpkg ipw3945" (iwlwifi is a better replacement for ipw3945)
16:27<zlx>thank you stew
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16:31<scatterp>can any one help me the problem came back where i lose my wifi again this time i pluged in another wifi card Ralink 2570 USB rt2500usb this card also has the issue where i cant associate with my ap i can do iwlist wlan2 scan and see the ap
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16:38<flee>ok. i'm trying to copy a file to the disk from within xp. i'm getting an access denied error. what do i need to change the permissions to from linux for xp to be able to access the drive?
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16:40<hellfire>flee: i didnt understand what you are trying to do.
16:41<flee>created ext3 partition to for file transfer between xp and linux. getting access denied error when trying to access the drive from xp
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16:42<hellfire>flee: per samba?
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16:43<hellfire>flee: how are you trying to access the drive?
16:43<flee>using explorer
16:44<hellfire>flee: what do you type?
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16:44<flee>oh... no. i'm on xp
16:44<flee>trying to access disk from xp
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16:46<hellfire>flee: i'm a little confused, because i dont know over which protocol you want to exchange the file.
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16:46<hellfire>flee: do you want to connect to a share?
16:46<hellfire>flee: like under windows, when you share folders?
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16:48<E0x>flee: with ntfs and using ntfs-3g in linux you can share file in a disk for both OS
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16:50<flee>i have a ntfs disk that i cant seem to access through linux. i can see the drive i can mount it. i can read from it, but if i try to copy a file debian gets an error that the file does not exist
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16:51<hellfire>you can see it on the windows machine (and you can mount it on the windows machine)?
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16:51<hellfire>flee: how did you tell linux that the drive should be shared?
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16:52<flee>i just mounted the drive
16:52<flee>mount /dev/hdc4 /media/ntfs
16:53<hellfire>well. unmount it. make sure, that you can write to the (not yet mounted) /media/ntfs folder.
16:53<hellfire>then mount it.
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16:53<hellfire>and check the permissions you now have for /media/ntfs
16:54<hellfire>after the mount.
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16:55<FrostyJack>Hey guys. Would anybody have a minute to answer a newbie question?
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16:56<hellfire>frostyjack: just go ahead.
16:56<FrostyJack>At the start of the debian install I went back to the console (alt + F2). I tried to mount a device that dmesg was calling sde using the command "mount /dev/sde /mnt" and I got an invalid argument error message. What am I doing wrong?
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16:57<hellfire>frostyhack: what is the exact error message?
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16:57<FrostyJack>Sorry can't remember and I'm at my desktop now but it was basically that. Invalid Argument. That command look OK to you?
16:58<hellfire>"mount /dev/sda /mnt" looks ok to me.
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16:58<FrostyJack>Formatted with fat 32 if that matters?
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16:58<hellfire>try "mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt"
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16:59<FrostyJack>Think I did and same thing but I'll give it a go again. Thanks mate. Was wondering if it was just me that was missing something. Cheers.
16:59<hellfire>frostyjack: eh. i mean "/dev/sde" of course.
16:59<hellfire>frostyjack: good luck.
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17:04<hellfire>good night...
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17:05<scatterp>can any one help me the problem came back where i lose my wifi again this time i pluged in another wifi card Ralink 2570 USB rt2500usb this card also has the issue where i cant associate with my ap i can do iwlist wlan2 scan and see the ap
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17:26<shilow>anyone here know where to get a deb package of pidgin 2.4.3?
17:26<flee>need a shared partition between xp and windows. ext3 or ntfs?
17:26<shilow>when i did my update today it broke pidgin
17:27<shilow>i'll try getdeb...
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17:28<shilow>that wotgn work
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17:36<shilow>if they updated the lib files from 2.4.2 to 2.4.3 on unstable whats the best way to get pigin updated they still have 2.4.2 and it has broken deps
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17:38<not4u>ok. one more time.
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17:47<not4u>i have a spare partition formatted to ext3. i want to be able to access this partition from windows with read/write access. right now i get an access denied message whenever i try to access the drive from windows. i need to set the permissions for the drive so that anyone can view/modify it. how can i do that? when i try to set the permissions in debian i get an access denied message as well.
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17:49<Zequi>alguien me puede ayudar con el opengl? y 3d que no logro hacer que me funcione
17:50<scatterp>buenas dias
17:50<scatterp>esta es solo por ingles amigo
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17:51<scatterp>uso 6667 #debian-es
17:51<Zequi>sorry :S channel error :D
17:51<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:51<scatterp>qq i already told him
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17:53<qq>scatterp: yes on, my here on oftc.
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17:56<scatterp>oh ok
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18:25<the-herby>what's the latest glib package name?
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18:27<abrotman>libc6 ?
18:27<abrotman>which version of debian?
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18:30<Maulkin>the-herby: "dpkg -l libc6|tail -1"
18:30<flee>ok. can debian read FAT32 no problem?
18:30<Maulkin>flee: yes
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18:31<flee>ok. when i plug my usb drive in debian reads it no problem, but it wont write to my ntfs hdd
18:31<dpkg>If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs
18:31<Maulkin>so, /msg dpkg ntfs-3g
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18:41<NByte>I've a RADEON X550XT, i've just intalled debian it works but not the x server. Can you help me? Thanks
18:41<the-herby>mailkin, abrotman, i got libc6 on etch but the program i am trying to compile says "cannot find glib"
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18:42<abrotman>the-herby: try installing libc6-dev
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18:42<jifix>NByte: use ati drivers
18:43<jifix>download then from the official site of ati
18:43<the-herby>abrotman, it says libc6-dev is already the newest version
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18:44<NByte>jifix, what will i need to install the drivers
18:44<abrotman>the-herby: paste the actual error
18:45<abrotman>the-herby: there is also libglib2.0-dev .. but since you didn't actually tell me what you're compiling .. i have no idea if it's relevant
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18:49<the-herby>abrotman, *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the exact error that occured. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed. configure: error: "Cannot find glib"
18:49<abrotman>so try libglib2.0-dev
18:49<abrotman>and what are you compiling ?
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18:54<the-herby>abrotman, thank you! that libglib2.0-dev was missing in that case.
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19:06<the-herby>abrotman, i learned something more.. apt-get build-dep <programname> is useful to find and get the packages that the program needs to compile and depends on. as you can see.. i hope this is right? anyway i'm still having fun with it :)
19:06<abrotman>uh yes
19:06<abrotman>if you had told me what you were compiling .. i might have been able to help
19:07<disposable>i have written a short shell script that takes wav files in current directory and converts them to mp3 using lame. however, i would like the script to do it in batches of 100 files (i.e. do 100 files and exit) so that i would have to manually restart it after every hundredth file. (there are 37000 files i need converted) how can i do that?
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19:12<abrotman>ls *.wav | tail -n 100 ?
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19:16<disposable>abrotman: i just don't know how to implement that into the 'for a in *.wav' part. can i do something like "for a in `ls *.wav | head -n 100`"?
19:17<abrotman>for a in $( ls *.wav | head -n 100) ; do
19:17<abrotman>i'm sure there's a better way
19:17<avu>not parsing ls output would be a start
19:18<avu>but well, you might not care about horribly broken filenames :)
19:19<disposable>abrotman: thank you very much
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19:19<abrotman>avu: i was being lazy!
19:20<abrotman>disposable: btw .. another method that might be easier .. you could put all the file names in a file .. then use split .. then go thorugh all the files one by one
19:20<disposable>avu: i'm always happy to learn. how would you go about it?
19:20<avu>disposable, find with -print0 and xargs -0
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19:20<avu>disposable, that's one of the very few ways that can't be exploded no matter how sicke the filenames
19:20<abrotman>avu: how does that limit it to 100 ?
19:21<abrotman>oh .. gotcha
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19:21<Nemoder>or just use a counter
19:21<avu>same way yours does I guess :)
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19:21<avu>erm. or not. :)
19:21<abrotman>that'd work too
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19:21<avu>it won't
19:22<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
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19:22<disposable>Nemoder: thank you, this is a very elegant solution.
19:23<shilow>anyone know how to get the new banshee to sync your music library to your ipod the old version worked perfect and i dont know how to downgrade
19:23<abrotman>disposable: also, there is #bash on freenode
19:24<disposable>abrotman: oh, should have started there..
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19:25<the-herby>well.. it goes for the files straight, and counts to 100.. i'd like to know more about avu's idea
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19:28<avu>the-herby, as long as you use bash globbing directly (and don't try and parse ls output) you are also safe from evil filenames
19:28<avu>the-herby, with find -print0|xargs -0, it'll be harder to limit to 100
19:29<avu>in fact, I don't know how to do that without an external program using a counter
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19:29<Woet>what is the umask of a chmod of 700?
19:29<the-herby>and how would you get all filenames into one file - split with a delimiter that makes sense? i don't really care about that 100 files only limit
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19:30<Milos>hello, i have msi vr601-x laptop and debian etch 4 on it. My graphic card is 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03). Several days ago somene on this channel told me to install drivers for it using some x-server (xorg) or somethin. when i did that, and after a system restart, it couldn`t start gnome, it just gave me command line, saying that i have bad x-server driver. Can anyone tell me which driver
19:30<Milos> i should install and where to get it
19:30<avu>the-herby, well, the encoding command in your case would have do to the s/wav/mp3/ in the name itself for one (I think lame does that though?)
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19:31<avu>the-herby, then you could use find -maxdepth 1 -name '*wav' -print0 | xargs -0 lame ...
19:31<avu>the-herby, or better yet
19:31<avu>the-herby, then you could use find -maxdepth 1 -name '*wav' -exec lame ... {} +
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19:32<avu>the-herby, (which would only work with recent versions of GNU find though)
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19:32<avu>the-herby, but, well, if lame only takes one file at a time, you could just use \; instead of +
19:32<Milos>my lspci @
19:33<avu>the-herby, that'll also solve the 'only works with recent versions of GNU find' problem :)
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19:33<the-herby>and the {} + at the end of that line is a part of the find syntax? does that work with lame ... parameters etc. {} +
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19:34<abrotman>Milos: the 'xorg' should do it .. but that description doesn't say much
19:34<avu>the-herby, yes, {} is for the filename(s), + and \; are delimiters for the command
19:35<abrotman>Milos: if you run update-pciids .. does it change the description ?
19:35<avu>the-herby, with +, it works like xargs, accumulating results to execute the command as seldom as possible
19:35<avu>the-herby, with \; it will execute the command once for every filename
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19:36<Milos>abrotman: it`s 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
19:36<the-herby>avu, interesting.. so if + does not work.. \; is the way to go.
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19:36<abrotman>Milos: which version of debian ?
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19:36<Milos>etch 4
19:36<avu>the-herby, depends on lame
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19:37<avu>the-herby, but if it can only talk one file to convert at a time then, yes, it must be \;
19:37<Milos>abrotman: it was
19:37<abrotman>Milos: there is the 915resolution package which might help
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19:38<Milos>abrotman: it was 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) and when i did update-pciids it said 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03
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19:38<abrotman>right ...
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19:38<abrotman>aptitude install xorg 915resolution
19:38<Milos>so what u suggest me to do now?
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19:39<Milos>abrotman: Setting up 915resolution (0.5.2-9) ...
19:39<Milos>Wrong chipset detected. 915resolution only works with Intel 800/900 series graphic chipsets.
19:39<Milos>my lspci @
19:39<abrotman>you are 9xx
19:40<Milos>so what should i do now?
19:40<abrotman>is it a desktop/laptop ?
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19:40<abrotman>i'd personally go to lenny .. but i've been using lenny for ages on my laptop
19:41<Milos>so u`re saying that i should upgrade to lenny
19:41<Milos>and u think that it would solve my problems
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19:41<abrotman>i'm saying it's probably easier than goofing with trying to force etch to work on 965
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19:42<Milos>where can i find upgrade or somethin, or i should download whole new 650MB iso?
19:43<avu>!tell Milos about etch->lenny
19:43<abrotman>!tell Milos about etch->lenny
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19:47<Milos>an another one abrotman if u have time
19:48<Milos>when i play some music, it plays on my internal and on my external speakers
19:48<Milos>i can`t turn one or another off, only both. What should i do?
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19:51<abrotman>that i dont' know about
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19:54<Milos>abrotman: is there anyway that i can download this, burn it and then upgrade to lenny, because my internet adsl connection is very unstable
19:54<abrotman>i'm not sure why that matters
19:55<Milos>if i could do that, i could use dowenload manager for downloading it, this way if it stops it won`t continue...
19:57<Nemoder>apt will resume downloads
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19:58<Milos>20 minutes ago i started installing some game from repositories, my internet connection got closed, and it didn`t continue ;/
19:58<abrotman>it should
19:58<Milos>ok, thanks
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20:37<lst>i'm installing the nvidia drivers on my lenny machine. in the wiki there is a command containin <version>, and i don't know what i have to replace it with
20:38<lst><arch> and <country_code> i know of course
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20:40<marvin>i installed it from sid repositories, by doing "m-a a-i nvidia" then aptitude "nvidia-glx nvidia-settings"
20:42<lst>that's all? the wiki doesn't mention that
20:42<marvin>yup, i think that's it
20:43<lst>you didn't have to configure any files etc. ?
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20:44<marvin>nope... i didn't do anything
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20:45<marvin>lst: oh actualy
20:45<marvin>you have to put driver "nvidia" in place of "nv" in xorg.conf
20:46<lst>and when xorg or the kernel gets updated?
20:46<lst>do i have to redo it ?
20:46<marvin>no idea, sorry
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20:48<marvin> i wonder if i should just install new pidgin by hand or wait for it
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20:48<marvin>... to be in repositories
20:49<lst>i still wonder about the <version> tag
20:49<lst>in the wiki
20:49<marvin>might i have the link or am i supposed to know?
20:52<marvin>or whatever architecture you need
20:53<lst>can't i use the latest version?
20:54<marvin>i think this is the latest version, or atleast there is no newer on that i could find
20:55<lst>i thougt the latest was 196.something
20:56<marvin>173.14.09-2 is the one i have, from sid repositories
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20:56<marvin>might be that newer ones do not work on debian yet... or no one bothered to put them in repositories
20:57<maxb>Hmm.... is it really right that grub (i.e. grub1) depends on grub-common built by grub2 ?
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20:57<lst>marvin: the wiki does mention 196. i noticed
20:57<marvin>nope, i have only grub and grub-common installed
20:58<lst>...listed in Appendix A of NVIDIA's 169.12 driver README.
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20:58<lst>o i misread
20:58<lst>69 and 96
20:59*lst puts on his glasses
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21:19<Bora>is there voice for this xchat? and where to activate it?
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21:20<Bora>and does anyone see this text i type?
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21:21<Bora>ok good i just saw a hi so hi too
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21:22<Bora>can anyone please tell me if there is voice in here or for xchat as a whole?
21:23<ircleuser>Irgendwer anwesend der mir bei Debianinstallation am Oldworldmac helfen kann?
21:24<Simon_42>ircleuser: Was hast du denn fuer ein Problem?
21:24<Simon_42>oh, english please! :-)
21:25<Simon_42>or join
21:26<ircleuser>Ich kenn mich noch nicht aus, und müsste nach der erfolgreichen Installation den Kernel und die Ramdisk ins MacOS kopieren, damit BootX sie verwenden kann, ... und da steh ich einfach nur an
21:27<Simon_42>sorry, only used yaboot
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21:28<ircleuser>Simon_42: naja, BootX ist ja nicht das Problem, sondern das Einbinden von ner hfs Partition und das Kopieren, ...
21:29<avu>ircleuser, this is an english channel
21:29<avu>ircleuser, if you want to speak german, join
21:29<ircleuser>ok sorry
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21:38<abrotman>Bora: you mean something to read the xchat to you ?
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21:45<vook>this is interesting - and some may laugh (rightfully so), but I think my recent install of Firefox 3.0 is being affected by some sort of javascript spamware or something. I'm not really asking for help with it, it's just weird.
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22:17<vook>d*mn, that's that. Apparently a Firefox "Adblock" plugin fixes the problem. Enough of that spew.
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22:21<srdan>Im having trouble configuring a Bind9 DNS server for use with a small local network. After setting up the internal zones and running 'named-checkzone' on the zone file and having everything come out fine, I tried running 'dig router.home.lan' and got the 'SERVFAIL' message. Any ideas?
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22:25<srdan>Maybe someone has a link to a really good BIND9 tutorial??
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22:26<abrotman>srdan: there is a bind9-doc package
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22:26<not4u>ok. now me
22:26<not4u>i'm trying to insatll clamav
22:27<abrotman>not4u: try using aptitude
22:28<srdan>ok, i will have a look
22:28<not4u>yeah. it's talking about having to have gnome installed.
22:28<not4u>hope that's not right
22:32<gsimmons>not4u: On Etch, you would want to use the debian-volatile packages of clamav instead, for the reasons explained at
22:34<not4u>better read that
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22:52<lucas_amorim>hello! I am trying to install debian in a friend's laptop. It has got a 40GB disk, fully occupied by windows XP. So I thought "I will just boot from the installer and then resize the partition within the installer"... But when I try to resize this NTFS partition it gives me a red screen where it says that "resizing operation is impossible... switch to console 4 to see details"
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22:54<lucas_amorim>when i get to console 4 I see: "Warning: the disk has bad sector. This means physical damage on the disk surface caused by (...). We suggest making a full backup (I DID It) and then run 'chkdisk /f /r' on windows (ALSO DID IT) and then reboot it twice
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22:54<lucas_amorim>then you can resize NTFS safely by using the --bad-sector option of ntfs resize
22:55<lucas_amorim>i did everything it told me to, but I need help on resizing using ntfsresize
22:55<tmg1|hardy>lucas_amorim: just so you know, using a known defective hd is asking for trouble.
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22:56<tmg1|hardy>what are you using to resize the partition?
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22:56<lucas_amorim>I was using the very debian installer
22:56<lucas_amorim>I think it uses ntfsresize and fdisk
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22:57<lucas_amorim>but it seems I have to do it manually to add the option --bad-sector
22:57<lucas_amorim>thats where I need help
22:57<tmg1|hardy>are you using the gui or the text install?
22:58<lucas_amorim>because in the ntfsresize man page it says I need to resize ntfs and then the partition using fdisk... I did not understand that
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22:58<lucas_amorim>what does it mean by resizing a file system? I though we only resize partitions...
22:59<lucas_amorim>tmg1|hardy text
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22:59<tmg1|hardy>lucas_amorim: you're over my head, then, good luck
23:00<lucas_amorim>I wont get it... lol
23:00<lucas_amorim>bu thank you anyway
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23:14<Xacarith>Having a problem with updating pidgin using the .deb file I found I get an error message saying 'Dependency is not satisfiable: libcairo2
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23:15<Xacarith>And as far as I know libcairo2 is installed
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23:18<Xacarith>Has any one updated to pidgin 2.4.2?
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