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00:23<ogy>hello
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00:57<Fh3r>Hola
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01:05<km>Why would the command "fdisk -l <device>" print a partition table, but the command "cfdisk <device>" fail with "FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 1:"?
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01:09<km>/server irc.debian.org
01:13<jm_>km: because cfdisk is more retarded?
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01:15<km>I suspect failing hardware. fsck.ext3 -y just took about half an hour to run, and the "mount" command now reports "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2, missing codepage or helper program, or other error".
01:16<jm_>check your kernel logs
01:17<km>"dmesg | tail" says "EXT2-fs error (device hda2): ext2_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 256 not in group (block 0)! EXT2-fs: group descriptors corrupted!"
01:17<ogy>hello my alsa works fine until my artsd gets started, anny ide?
01:17<jm_>but you don't see any IDE/ATA errors?
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01:18<cahoot>ogy: either disable artsd or tell you apps to use artsd
01:18<km>jm_: Thanks for asking. No, I see no IDE/ATA errors.
01:19<jm_>km: then it doesn't look like disk issue, perhaps it's your RAM or some other factor
01:19<ogy>cahoot nothing else is using the sound
01:19<jm_>it is, artsd is using it
01:20<ogy>mk how did you create the partition table?
01:21<ogy>artsd is only crashing it
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01:22<cahoot>ogy: so if you disable artsd all is fine?
01:22<ogy>the same no sound form kde
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01:22<cahoot>ogy: true you get rid of system sounds
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01:24<ogy>if i run alsaconf i can play sound using the command play, if i start artsd there is no more sound evan after i stop artsd until after i rerun alsaconf
01:26<cahoot>ogy: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp returns NIL?
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01:32<ogy>cahoot some stuff can i paste it ?
01:33<cahoot>on a pastebin
01:33<ogy>link ?
01:33<cahoot>!paste
01:33<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
01:34<ogy>http://paste.debian.net/9282/
01:36<cahoot>ogy: right so artsd is bound to your sounddevice, hence locking out all other soundapps
01:37<ogy>ju thats fine for me however i get no sound
01:37<jm_>yeah you'll have to repeat it another 99 times
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01:37<jm_>and then it might sink in
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01:38<ogy>if i kill artsd it would be free to be used by lets say play
01:39<jm_>yes, or configure dmix
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01:39<jm_>or tell your apps to always use artsd
01:39<jm_>like already mentioned
01:39<cahoot>ogy: just for testing purposes disable artsd, restart alsa and test sound with speaker-test (in a terminal)
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01:42<ogy>cahoot that works
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01:43<cahoot>ogy: you can run a few instances of speaker-test -t wav in different terms to make sure dmix is enabled
01:44<ogy>works
01:44<ogy>girl says front left front left ....
01:44<cahoot>ogy: ok so you must make the choice
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01:45<ogy>cahoot choice ?
01:46<cahoot>ogy: yes - to use or not use alsa
01:46<cahoot>err artsd
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01:47<tyi>hi all, quick question, is it possible to block encrypted BT traffic with iptables?
01:48<jm_>tyi: can you distinguish it from non-encrypted?
01:48<ogy>o so artsd wont work with alsa ? oke what sound dirver do i need to install to get artsd working.
01:48<tyi>I'm not sure? I'll refine my question, is there anyway to block out all BT traffic be it encrypted or not? lol
01:49<jm_>yes, l7 filter has a match for bittorrent protocol
01:49<cahoot>ogy: we're back to origo
01:50<km2>The "mount" and "fsck.ext3" commands fail with a corrupted ext3 partition, but "debugfs" seems to work...
01:51<tyi>ok thanks.
01:51<tyi>Will look into it.
01:51<tyi>Cheers
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01:52<ogy>cahoot can the kde sound work without artsd ?
01:53<ogy>km did you create this partition the normal way or just using fdisk ?
01:53<cahoot>as I said earlier I believe you get rid of the annoying 'system sounds' as a bonus if you disable artsd
01:54<cahoot>OTOH I don't use kde so don't know if you can resurrect them without reverting to artsd
01:54<km2>ogy: Thanks for asking. Unfortunately, I've forgotten how I created the partition by now. It's been months since I created it. Having said that, my usual preference is to use cfdisk.
01:54<jm_>km2: run badblocks on it
01:54<Martinn>i wanna mount cdrom, what filesystem does it use ?
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01:55<ogy>iso9660
01:55<km2>jm_: badblocks seems like a good idea. Thanks. I may also try the "show_super_stats" command in debugfs.
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01:56<jm_>you normally don't have to specify mount type
01:56<jm_>err fs type
01:58<ogy>cahoot im an idiot you are correct it works just fine with no artsd
01:58<ogy>jm -t iso9660
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02:00<ogy>jm in fstab it would look something like "/dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0"
02:02<ogy>thanks for the help cahoot!!!!!!!
02:02<cahoot>np
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02:04<km2>jm_: badblocks is running now...
02:04<Martinn>hi when i wanna mount /dev/cdrom, it says no such special device... when i try to mount CDROM, it says cdrom is block device... :(
02:04<jm_>km2: yeah it will take a while
02:05<jm_>Martinn: check if it became cdrom1 or cdrom2 or ...
02:05<jm_>Martinn: or simply grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable
02:05<km2>jm_: Oh. Do you have a sense of how long badblocks may take for a 500GB drive?
02:05<jm_>that will find the device for you
02:05<jm_>km2: yeah, I'd say in the range 1.5-2h
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02:07<km2>jm_OK. Thanks. Now's a good time to get dinner anyways.
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02:08<jm_>km2: you should have used -v switch
02:08<jm_>or was it -s?
02:09<not4u>anyone got vmware working?
02:10<km2>jm_: -s shows progress, -v is verbose mode.
02:11<km2>jm_: I'm inclined to not abort badblocks, to minimize the chance of further corruption, but what do you think?
02:11<jm_>km2: naah you can safely interrupt it in read-only mode
02:12<km2>jm_: Do you happen to know how badblocks can identify bad blocks without writing?
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02:14<Martinn>JM_ : pls tell me again this command : grep 1 /sys/block... ?
02:14<jm_>km2: it just reads it and if the block is bad kernel will report an error, nothing fancy to it
02:14<jm_><jm_> Martinn: or simply grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable
02:15<km2>jm_: Do you happen to know how the kernel knows when a block is bad?
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02:16<jm_>km2: the disk will return an error, the infamous error= status= stuff for old IDE code, libata has even more awkward error messages
02:17<km2>jm_: OK, that makes sense.
02:17<km2>jm_: New topic.
02:18<km2>jm_: It seems to me that most hard drives can be expected to have some bad blocks. What do you suppose I should look for in the output of badblocks?
02:18<km2>s/badblocks/badblock/
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02:22<jm_>km2: no they don't have bad blocks that you should see if they are new
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02:24<km2>jm_: It's not clear to me what may be "new". New bad blocks? New hard drives? Can you elaborate?
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02:24<jm_>km2: new hard drives
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02:25<km2>jm_: My hard drive is a few months old. Do you suppose it's possible it may be failing early, and enough blocks are going bad to show up in badblocks' output?
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02:27<jm_>km2: I've had new drives show up badblocks after 2 months, but that's pretty rare
02:28<km2>jm_: That's interesting.
02:30<km2>jm_: If you're otherwise preoccupied when badblocks finishes running, 1.5 to 2 hours from now, would you care to suggest now what I should do if a.) any bad blocks are reported and b.) none are?
02:32<jm_>km2: you should ask for a new drive based on warranty if badblocks show up ;)
02:32<km2>jm_: OK. What if no bad blocks are reported?
02:33<not4u>SOLVED
02:33<jm_>km2: in that case I would use memtest86
02:33<not4u>nm
02:34<km2>jm_: OK. Thank you for your time and attention.
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02:42<not4u>ok. tired of not being able to share ALSA between applications. always get an error message that another process is using ALSA.
02:43<not4u>any way to enable ALSA to be shared between two apps?
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02:44<Martinn>i tried to grep 1 /SYS/BLOCK/*/REMOVABLE and it says : /sys/block/loop0/removable PERMISSION DENIED
02:44<cahoot>not4u: : fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* returns what?
02:46<jm_>Martinn: ignore that, check what it says for other devices
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02:47<Martinn>you mean i have to type mount ?
02:47<not4u>cahoot: http://rafb.net/p/alLJMV67.html
02:47<not4u>paste ^^
02:49<jm_>no, check what grep says for other dirs in /sys - possibly just run this instead: grep 1 /sus/block/[hs]*/removable
02:49<cahoot>not4u: stop kaffeine and run a few instances of speaker-test -t wav -c2 from a couple of terminals - no concurrency?
02:49<jm_>correct sus to sys in that command
02:50<not4u>echooooooo.......
02:51<cahoot>not4u: you get simultaneous output?
02:51<not4u>yeah
02:51<not4u>wait
02:51<not4u>no. they are out of sync like a cannon... but the same audio
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02:52<cahoot>not4u: ok so alsa's dmix works - seems it's a problem with kaffeine
02:53<not4u>ok. so i got the error message when i tried to run vmware. the guest os said that /dev/dsp was busy and there would be no sound
02:53<cahoot>not4u: so you have vmware involved too?
02:53<not4u>i do now
02:54<cahoot>not4u: apps that use /dev/dsp are trickier
02:54<cahoot>not4u: they don't access th
02:54<not4u>k... bbl. gotta sleep. thanks anyway
02:54<cahoot>not4u: they don't access native alsa
02:54<not4u>night
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02:56<Deepy>ack
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03:05<morgan`>hello
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03:10<km2>Certainly I'm not the only individual who wants to spend less time recovering from hard drive failures. Do linux and debian have a mature hot swappable raid yet?
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03:10<jm_>linux software raid is supposed to be very mature
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03:12<km2>jm_: I find myself wondering, as a practical matter, how easy or hard it would be to replace a hard drive in a normal case with linux'software raid.
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03:12<jm_>km2: it should be simple, check the software raid howto
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03:14<NCommander>km2, in theory, it should be pop out bad drive, pop in new
03:15<NCommander>And wait for the RAID to automatically rebuild the mirror
03:15<NCommander>I've seen backup systems that (ab)use that system using five harddrives or so
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03:17<jm_>especially with sata hot-pluggable drives
03:18<NCommander>HDD failures are pretty rare though
03:18<NCommander>I usually only have one go once every 3-4 years
03:18<NCommander>and that's just because i'm fairly abusive to my machines
03:19<jm_>that's still one too many :)
03:19<km2>Are there computer cases with open drive bays for swapping hard drives without shuting down linux and unscrewing the case?
03:19<ranix>you're doing it wrong
03:19<ranix>DLT tape is what you're looking for
03:19<km2>NCommander: I wouldn't be surprised if my drives last a year on average.
03:20<ranix>the answer to your question is yes, but you do not need to frequently hot swap drives
03:20<jm_>km2: that's typically reserved for servers, but yeah
03:20<NCommander>km2: WTF are you doing to those drives
03:21<ranix>NCommander: there is nothing wrong with 5 hard drives
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03:22<ranix>I have 4 in one of my servers
03:22<km2>NCommander: I suppose the short answer is, I use them 24x7. The long answer might involve the various cron jobs that run daily.
03:23<NCommander>Damn
03:23<NCommander>I'm really suprised its only a year
03:23<NCommander>I run a few m68k buildds
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03:23<NCommander>and a hurd one
03:23<NCommander>I had one corrupt the filesystem after a year, but no issues beyond that
03:23<km2>NCommander: Yes, I'm surprised too, and I find myself wondering, like you I think, whether something is unduly stressing them.
03:24<NCommander>If the macine running hot
03:24<jm_>km2: excessive heat?
03:24<NCommander>That would fry a drive nice
03:24<km2>NCommander: I suppose two of the more disk intensive cron jobs might be rdiff-backup and dlocate.
03:25<NCommander>I dunno, it can't be as bad as compiling software for months upon months on end
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03:25<km2>jm_: I doubt it, but I'd love to learn how to check.
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03:26<NCommander>km2, I think there is a program for Linux like hddtemp
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03:26<NCommander>or query cat /proc/ide/*drive*/smart_status
03:26<NCommander>er
03:26<ranix>km2: here's a hint: use a thermometer
03:26<NCommander>smart_values
03:27<ranix>most motherboards have thermometers for your convenience and ease of use
03:27<km2>ranix: Ha ha! What temperature range would you consider "normal"?
03:27<NCommander>Is packages.d.o having issues?
03:27<jm_>km2: yeah use hddtemp or use smart to verify its temperature
03:28<NCommander>km2, check the HDD specifications, it lists what the drive is rated for
03:28<ranix>km2: under 70c
03:29<ranix>probably under 60c
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03:29<jm_>I would consider 60 alarming
03:29<NCommander>my laptop HDD runs around 70
03:29<NCommander>But intel macs are known for bad cooling
03:29<ranix>60 shouldn't be unusual under heavy load
03:29<ranix>google had some nifty drive statistics
03:31<kolter>-fr
03:34<km2>NCommander & jm_: OK, thanks for the tip. As a practical matter, what would you do if your hard drive were too hot?
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03:34<NCommander>km2, increase ventation
03:35<km2>NCommander: So, would you replace the case's fans with ones that pump more cubic feet per minute of air?
03:35<NCommander>That would help
03:36<NCommander>Without knowing your case configuration, and such, I can only give you some general tips
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03:36<NCommander>http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Silent-But-Deadly.aspx - essentially, don't do this
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03:39<km2>Linux's raid howto downplays hot swapping drives.
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03:40<km2>Even so, it indicates that one drive's failure is supposed to initiate its reconstruction on a spare drive.
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03:43<ranix>km2: md man pages and the howtos you can find on the internet are extremely in-depth
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03:44<ranix>it's more likely you do not know what you're reading than that what you're reading is "downplayed"
03:45<ranix>km2: it might be a good idea to read up on the different kinds of RAID and how block devices in general work before reading the md and mdadm manpages
03:45<ranix>hot spares are covered in detail
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03:46<ranix>as is manual drive addition or array growth in formats that accept growth
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04:01<sheldonh>what should i be looking at to figure out why mount gives me "special device host:path does not exist" for an nfs4 mount, when showmount -e host clearly shows path exported to my net?
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04:04<jm_>maybe try this http://helix360.de/tutorials/nfsv4/9/
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04:19<alvic>HI all, could anybody help me to make pidgin 2.3.1 working with ICQ on etch? I replace liboscar.so.0.0.0 with new one, but aol protocol has disapear. Any help?
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04:22<alvic>Silence...:))
04:23<padski>alvic, perhaps http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/02/1331224
04:24<sheldonh>jm_: there's a lot in there, but most of the difference between it and what i've done applies to gssd, which i'm not using :(
04:25<sheldonh>jm_: etch supports nfsv4, right? google says so, but /usr/share/doc/nfs-common/ describes it as "new and not very well supported" *gulp*
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04:25<jm_>sheldonh: yeah apparently it does
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04:27<superlinux-2>hi all
04:27<sheldonh>jm_: time to whip out tshark, i guess
04:28<sheldonh>frrrrracking frustrating as ever. good old nfs :)
04:28<superlinux-2>any arabs here? I made videos in arbic on how to install debian on your computer. search google videos for "superlinux"
04:28<alvic>padski, I know the reson, I can´t find solution (yes as discribed in slashdot - absence ICQ - its unnormal in exUSSR :) )
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04:31<padski>superlinux, http://www.debian.org/international/Arabic
04:31<superlinux-2>padski ok
04:32<sheldonh>jm_: pretty sure it's something i've overlooked. like, if i use an hostname instead of a network for the exports lines, the error message becomes block device host:path is write-protected, mounting read-only
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04:32<sheldonh>(followed by cannot mount block device host:path read-only, of course) ;)
04:33<jm_>sheldonh: I am affraid I can't help much, I haven't use nfsv4 yet
04:33<sheldonh>jm_: i'm only trying in case it supports lock replication in an HA environment. otherwises, i'll just revert to v3. so it's quite frustrating to get stuck on this, given that once it works, i'll probably only use it for 90 seconds :)
04:33<alvic>Is it possible to make pidgin working with ICQ by apt-get? Or the only way is compiling sources.
04:37<km2>jm_: FYI: badblocks just finished. It reported "Pass completed, 0 bad blocks found."
04:37<jm_>km2: yeah expected result
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04:39<km2>jm_: Did you suspect bad memory, or does memtest86 also test other hardware?
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04:40<jm_>km2: well if the disk is OK but fsck reports an error you have to look elsewhere, so stuff like memory, temperature etc.
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04:41<sheldonh>i give up. i'll have to report back that i couldn't get nfsv4 working on etch, and they'll just have to think i'm an idiot
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04:42<jm_>:)
04:45<sheldonh>tshark says the first RPC packet is malformed, but i've no way of knowing whether that's tshark or a real problem -- and either way, both boxes are etch, so it's the end of the road :)
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04:46<sheldonh>hmmm... the server's amd64. perhaps i should test with x86. is that still a more widely tested port?
04:46<superlinux-2>padskiwhat did u aim at when u gave me the link above? just wondering..
04:46<superlinux-2>padski what did u aim at when u gave me the link above? just wondering..
04:46<jm_>sheldonh: yes by all means
04:47<km2>jm_: In addition to finding the root cause of the corruption, which may be temperature, it seems to me that it would also be good to fix the corruption.
04:47<km2>jm_: Do you happen to have any thoughts beyond using fsck.ext3, which in this case, reports "The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2 filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock: e2fsck -b 32768 <device>"?
04:48<jm_>km2: you can use alternate superblock
04:48<jm_>yeah like it says
04:49<km2>jm_: I'd be delighted if using an alternate superblock fixed the corruption, but I'm unsure of what number to put after the -b option. Do you know?
04:50<jm_>km2: man page lists them
04:50<jm_>km2: or tells you how to get them
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04:52<km2>jm_: OK....
04:53<km2>e2fsck -b 32768 <device> is returning "e2fsck: Device or resource busy while trying to open <device> Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program?"
04:53<jm_>km2: don't do this with a running system
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04:53<km2>jm_: Yes, I agree. I'm using a live CD.
04:53<jm_>km2: so umount it?
04:54<jm_>km2: or quit debugfs if you're running it
04:55<km2>jm_: Yes, you're right of course, and I already have, and the "mount" command doesn't report it. Yet the error persists...
04:55<jm_>km2: hmm maybe it went poo due to error and didn't clean-up after itself properly
04:55<km2>I wonder if the file system has a corruptable flag indicating that it's in use...
04:57<jm_>check what dumpe2fs says
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05:04<km2>jm_: I did as you advised, and checked what dumpe2fs says. I have little experience in these matters, and see no obvious explanation for fsck.ext3's error, other than possibly the fact that the last group, group 27, has quite a variety of free blocks.
05:04<padski>superlinux-2, you said "any arabs here? I made videos in arbic on how to install debian on your computer." since this is not just wanting to chat in arabic, but offering a recorded resource in arabic, I thought youwould want to publicise it in a relevant debian arabic related place. I hoped that page might provide a start.
05:04<jm_>km2: ahh that was to help you figure out why it says it's mounted
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05:05<km2>jm_: Would you care to suggest anything in dumpe2fs's output that might explain why it says it's mounted?
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05:05<jm_>km2: last mounted on for example
05:05<jm_>km2: Filesystem state too
05:05<km2>jm_: OK... "Last mounted on: <not available>"
05:06<km2>jm_: "Filesystem state: clean with errors"
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05:08<jm_>km2: looks good to me, maybe try rebooting
05:09<jm_>km2: also run lsof to see if there's anything keeping it open
05:09<jm_>or fuser
05:09<km2>jm_: Yes, I agree on both counts. lsof found nothing and rebooting came to my mind also.
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05:10<jm_>km2: this is a clear case of "WTF?" :)
05:11<km2>jm_: Yes. I've been using computers for 30 years and this is some of the worst corruption I've ever seen.
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05:14<km2>jm_: I may have found something...
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05:16<km2>"fuser -m /mnt/<device>" reports dozens of processes using the mount point. They have odd names like "308rc" and "4569rce". I've never seen a process like that before. Have you?
05:17<jm_>km2: this is by booting a live cd?
05:17<km2>"ps aux | grep 4569rce" finds nothing, other than the grep command.
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05:17<km2>jm_: Yes, I'm using a live CD to try to repair the corrupted hard drive.
05:19<jm_>km2: use lsof instead, or fuser -v -m
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05:27<km2>jm_: I found no options with lsof that return useful data, but "fuser -v -m" reports 97(!) processes that are evidently accessing the device's mount point(directory).
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05:27<jm_>km2: lsof /dev/foo
05:28<jm_>or just lsof|grep foo
05:28<km2>Normally, I wouldn't expect the mount point to be associated with the corrupted device, but this case has been full of surprises.
05:28<km2>jm_: "lsof /dev/<device>" returns nothing.
05:29<km2>jm_: As an aside, I need to go soon.
05:29<jm_>km2: then just use the second variant
05:29<km2>jm_: I still like your idea of rebooting and trying to run "e2fsck -b 32768 <device>" again.
05:30<jm_>but grep needs to be in major,minor format
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05:31<km2>jm_: Does "ls -l <device> return major, minor format?
05:35<km2>jm_: lsof doesn't contain either minor,major or major,minor.
05:35<sheldonh>km2: looking at ls -l /dev/zero, /dev/MAKEDEV and the MAKEDEV manpage, i'd say it's the other way around
05:36<km2>jm_: I need to go.
05:36<km2>jm_: Here's the big but.
05:37<jm_>km2: ok then
05:37<km2>jm_: But, I've enjoyed our chat, and would like to thank you for your time and attention. Your comments have been insightful, and, unless I'm mistaken, will ultimately prove helpful.
05:38<jm_>km2: well hopefully anyway
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05:55<sheldonh>jm_: looks like nfsv4 is broken for x86 client <-> amd64 server. thanks again :)
05:57<jm_>sheldonh: it looks like it received some quality testing :P
06:00<sheldonh>haha
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06:07<JacDam>sorry...
06:07<JacDam>what is the italian chan?
06:07<jm_>!it
06:07<dpkg>somebody said #debian-it was Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
06:07<JacDam>thansk ;)
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06:30<DTE>hi all
06:30<DTE>i'm using xen from backports and i found out that it doesn't support big mem
06:31<DTE>i wanted to recompile the kernel...but how to?
06:31<DTE>i found some information related to old xen (2.0)
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06:36<DTE>yes you are
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06:40<persi>ok cool, I`ve installed diskmounter: http://www.debianadmin.com/mounting-the-lazy-way-windows-linux-file-systems.html but no partitions appeared in ~/mnt/, where are they?
06:41<DTE>in /mnt/? or /media/?
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06:41<DTE>just check with mount
06:41<persi>ok thanks they are in media
06:41<persi>strange kind of media fat32 drive is
06:43<persi>oh ive found the list of people, its hidden by default in xchat for some reason
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06:44<persi>I spz I`ll have to run the script every time I reboot? is there an easier way? I failed to install pysdm
06:45<persi>btw channel doesnt seem very active, newbs aint welcome here or there is just another channel at freenode?
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06:48<persi>or is mounting done just once for windows partitions?
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07:11<padski>easier way to do what ?
07:11<padski>!fsrab
07:11<padski>!fstab
07:11<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it.
07:26<blue>DTE: regarding xen, are you using the -pae version? Thats for machines with more than 4GB of memory
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07:35<soleil>can i remove the debian install cd from my sources? i thougt it shouldn't be a problem but i wanted to be sure
07:36<jm_>you can have empty sources.list if you want ...
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07:41<s3ld452>hey
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07:41<s3ld452>i've two working ethernet devices, both connected to the switch (eth0 & eth1).
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07:41<s3ld452>now I'm not sure whether to bond or bridge them. what are the pros and cons?
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07:42<s3ld452>so far i found out that bonding is far more powerful and supports things like load balancing and fault tolerance.
07:43<s3ld452>is there any advantage of bridging over bonding at all?
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07:45<padski>s3ld452, bridging is something different surely ?
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07:51<s3ld452>s3ld452: it is similar in combining two hardware ethernet controllers to one linux ethernet device, isn't it?
07:51<s3ld452>padski: sorry, meant you
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07:52<s3ld452>padski: or what is the main difference between bridging and bonding?
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07:54<joern42>hi, this is a bit offtopic, but perhaps somebody got an advice... can i use a wildcard in the exim.conf "trusted_users = " line? i want, that all local users could use the "-f " option..
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08:12<DTE>as i read now xen as default enable pae
08:12<DTE>infact in etch-backports there's the no-pae version
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08:13<padski>DTE, rings a vague bell
08:13<DTE>i tried to recompile the kernel to see if i can change something...but i caanot find infos about xen 3.2
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08:14<padski>!xen
08:14<dpkg>xen is, like, an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen
08:15<rybar>hi
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08:16<padski>DTE, there is an ml
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08:17<rybar>got problem with openssl, it provides openssl/md5.h but no libs, somethink like md5.so
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08:18<jm_>rybar: what are you trying to do?
08:19<rybar>just trying to use openssl/md5 libraries
08:19<rybar>get something encrypted
08:20<rybar>i thought, that the algorithm is already provided by openssl
08:20<jm_>link it with openssl
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08:21<jm_>and libcrypto
08:21<jm_>well not with openssl but with libssl of course
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08:22<panv>where should i post texts to be reviewed please !!
08:22<panv>?
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08:23<jm_>what text?
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08:23<panv>if i have log file, i will not copy/paste it here....
08:23<rybar>jm_: bloody me, uppercase function name, anyway thanks for hint ;)
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08:24<jm_>rybar: yeah
08:24<Matt>hey guys
08:24<jm_>!tell panv -about paste
08:24<panv>what is the website that you use to upload it ?
08:24<Matt>can some1 help me out with something?
08:24<Matt>just installed debian, but cant get my wireless pcmcia card working
08:25<Matt>im quite new to linux, and cant figure it out
08:25<gsimmons>Matt: What wireless device (make/model) do you have?
08:25<Matt>its linksys
08:25<panv>thankx
08:25<Matt>wpc11
08:25<Matt>but kinfocentre says no pcmcia controller detected
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08:26<Matt>but in pci > it shows texas instruments cardbus
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08:30<gsimmons>Matt: You probably have a WPC11 v4. Just to confirm, can you eject your PCMCIA device, and verify that it reads "ver 4" on the label underneath? It will be listed near "Model NO.".
08:30<Matt>yea
08:30<Matt>model 4
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08:31<Matt>"Linksys Wireless-B WPC11 ver.4"
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08:32<gsimmons>Matt: You'll need to compile the rtl-wifi driver for use with your device.
08:32<gsimmons>!rtl-wifi
08:32<dpkg>[rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless driver, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, "modprobe rtl8187". All other chipsets or older kernels require driver compilation, see http://rtl-wifi.sf.net/wiki/Installing#Debian.2FUbuntu for instructions. Revision 67 fails to compile on i386/2.6.18, check out r62 instead. <rtl-wifi 2.6.24>
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08:33<gsimmons>Matt: You'd want to read the instructions referenced by dpkg above.
08:33<Matt>ok, ill give it a try, thx a lot
08:33<simmerz>what is wrong with http://rafb.net/p/xvntP422.html in /etc/xinetd/xinetd.d/pureftp ? xinetd says 0 services available
08:33<Matt>was doing my head in not able to figure it out lol
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08:34<simmerz>http://rafb.net/p/WUIBku14.html is what inetd.conf gives me
08:34<gsimmons>Matt: For your information, you have a RTL8180-based device.
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08:42<Matt>ok, hehe, ive followed the instructions down to the 'getting the driver' but i dont have internet on the machine yet. i must admit to being new to this, but can i use the snapshot tar loacally?
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08:43<jm_>Matt: yeah transfer it via floppy/usb/...
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08:47<Matt>but i cant use subversion, so what do i do with the tar?
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08:48<gsimmons>Matt: You extract it using the tar command.
08:48<gsimmons>!tar
08:48<dpkg>Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory", or goes with feathers
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08:49<Matt>ah i think ive figured out what im tryin to do here, helps to read the entire instructions... :S
08:51<jm_>simmerz: xinetd comes with xconv.pl doesn't it?
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09:33<Matt>gsimmons: hey again, ive ran those instructions twice now, yet i still get 'no pcmcia controller detected'. forgive me, but that seems more like its saying that the PCMCIA system ITSELF is not correct, could that be the problem?
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09:36<gsimmons>Matt: When do you receive that error message? When loading the r8180 module?
09:37<Matt>in kinfo centre
09:37<Matt>under the PCMCIA tab
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09:37<dpkg>one warez list being sent to dlins
09:37<Matt>its always b een there
09:37<dlins>?
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09:38<Matt>ive googled a bit, results seem to point to something called yenta_cardbus module?
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09:45<g_p3n>hai
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09:48<rbarbo>back
09:48<rbarbo>:)
09:48<rbarbo>how do i format usb stick udner linux?
09:48<rbarbo>with fat32
09:48<rbarbo>man format
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09:54<gsimmons>Matt: That's provided by the yenta_socket module. Does "pccardctl ls" return any output?
09:55<Matt>gsimmons: "Socket 0 Bridge [yenta_cardbus] (bus ID: 0000:00:09.0) CardBus card -- see "lspci" for more information"
09:56<rbarbo>On the root directory of your USB device, create a folder “install”
09:56<rbarbo> Copy the installer kernel and the initramdisk into this folder (Download source below.You need the files “vmlinux” and “initrd.gz”).
09:56<rbarbo>Download source for the installer kernel and initramdisk
09:56<rbarbo>For AMD64 Download from here
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09:57<gsimmons>Matt: Provided "lspci" displays your RTL8180L-based controller, you're fine. You can ignore whatever KInfo is saying.
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09:59<Matt>yea, it does at the bottom
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10:05<user_>divx ita 2008
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10:21<Aleric>Does linux have a defragmentation utility?
10:22<themill>!defrag
10:22<dpkg>i guess defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html or a respawn in a multiplayer game
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10:24<user_>movi
10:25<Aleric>Still... I need/want 40 GB of contiguous diskspace for a new, large file that I want to be able to read at MAXIMUM speed (150 MB/s).
10:25<Aleric>I can't have the disk head move all the time.
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10:35<buffoon_work>Aleric, afaik an ext3 fs will always try to find as much as possible continous free space. so if you have a lot of free space it is more likely to have this file not fragmented.
10:37<Aleric>I don't have a lot of free space.
10:37<Aleric>I've been deleting files here and there to create JUST enough space.
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10:38<buffoon_work>so maybe you could move files temporarily to another partition, put the big file over it and move the other files back, that should save fragments too
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10:39<Aleric>I don't have enough space to do that :/
10:40<Aleric>Hmm, maybe I do.
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10:52<persi>hello I`m having a problem similar to this:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=284260&page=2
10:52<persi>but the solution either doesnt help or I`m doing something wrong
10:52<persi>can any1 help me?
10:53<persi> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
10:53<SlayerXP>persi: you need to type "/part #debian" then "/join #ubuntu"
10:54<persi>nono
10:54<persi>I`m on debian
10:54<persi>but the card is the same
10:54<persi>and the problem appeared when I switched to testing version of debian
10:55<qq486>persi, uname -r
10:55<persi>2.6.24-1-686
10:55<davity>alguien que sepa como grabar desde una guitarra en rosegarden privi plz
10:56<qq486>!es
10:56<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:56<gsimmons>persi: If your device uses the snd_maestro3 driver, you'll also need to install firmware for it.
10:56<gsimmons>!alsa firmware
10:56<dpkg>Since 'linux-2.6' 2.6.23-1, binary-only firmware was removed from the ESS Allegro/Maestro3 (snd_maestro3) and Cirrus Logic Sound Fusion CS46XX (snd_cs46xx) ALSA drivers. snd_maestro3: acquire firmware from the "alsa-firmware" tarball at ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/firmware/ , rmmod/modprobe the driver afterwards. snd_cs46xx: build and install an 'alsa-modules-*' package ("m-a a-i alsa"). See also #464191 and #464197 in the <BTS>.
10:57<persi>how do I do it?
10:57<persi>ouch sorry
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10:57<Laeborg>i have a .cue and a .bin file, witch one should i burn? i am usign k3b
10:58<persi>hm can you please translate?
10:58<persi>I`m nearly a newbie, never actually compiled a package
10:59<cogwheel>persi, it shouldn't be that hard heh :)
11:00<persi>I`m sitting for like 2 hours already with this driver
11:00<persi>missed a dinner
11:00<persi>so Im not that sharp
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11:00<persi>dunno what rmmod the driver means
11:00<qq486>remove module
11:00<cogwheel>rmmod removes the module from usage
11:00<persi>pweeeease can you guide me?
11:01<cogwheel>modprobe loads a module into usage..
11:01<cogwheel>well let's see.
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11:01<cogwheel>first of all you have to acquire that tarball from the link in the factoid
11:01<persi>got it
11:01<persi>already I mean
11:01<persi>on my desktop
11:01<cogwheel>then you extract it
11:01<persi>the file
11:01<persi>done
11:02<cogwheel>then you open a terminal (if you already have not) and cd in to that directory that was created
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11:02<persi>ok
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11:03<cogwheel>now first you have to setup some files so the compiler knows how it should treat your system and your needs; luckily this is automated: just type "./configure"
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11:05<persi>configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
11:05<cogwheel>you're missing the gcc package then
11:05<SlayerXP>persi: aptitude install build-essential
11:06<persi>done
11:06<cogwheel>try running configure again
11:07<persi>ok, lotsa files created
11:07<cogwheel>no errors?
11:07<persi>all smooth
11:07<persi>no errors
11:07<cogwheel>oki
11:07<cogwheel>then run make
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11:08<cogwheel>running make is the compiling part itself
11:08<persi>done it seems
11:08<persi>after leaving and entering directory a few times
11:09<persi>and some scary symbols too...
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11:09<cogwheel>ok, then install the package: sudo make install
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11:10<persi>done
11:10<cogwheel>that's it then
11:10<cogwheel>make tends to be verbose btw, it tells which commands it runs
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11:10<persi>so I need a reboot or what?
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11:11<cogwheel>well according to dpkg you have to "rmmod/modprobe the driver afterwards."
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11:11<persi>ah yes
11:11<Zathraz>Hi. is there a limit on the length of a groupname in /etc/group?
11:11<persi>well actually
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11:11<Zathraz>I read somewhere 25, I read somewhere 32. But no official statements
11:11<persi>I have little idea how the driver is called, so what do I have to rmmod?
11:11<cogwheel>hmm..
11:12<gsimmons>persi: snd_maestro3
11:12<cogwheel>i have a feeling you have to do: sudo rmmod snd_maestro3 && sudo modprobe snd_maestro3
11:12<Zathraz>persi: check lsmod to see the name
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11:12<persi>AAAAAAAAAA
11:12<persi>WEEEEEEE
11:12<persi>ourch
11:12<persi>sorry
11:12<PetaWindows>xD
11:12<nivash>I have installed hardy heron release of ubuntu
11:13<cogwheel>heh
11:13<persi>WOOOOORKED :D
11:13<cogwheel>nice :)
11:13<persi>ppl i luv u
11:13<persi>thank you soooooo much
11:13<nivash>what is going on in this place?
11:13<persi>even google didnt know I need a prop driver
11:13<cogwheel>nivash, debian support
11:13<persi>it`s me screaming :D
11:13<Aleric>!ubuntu
11:13<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
11:13<persi>nice to meet you too
11:13<nivash>what do i need to get GNU software radio working?
11:14<avu>nivash, read what dpkg just wrote about ubuntu
11:14<persi>guys I`m so thankful, owe you a beer in Moscow
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11:14<nivash>thank you people
11:14<nivash>sorry for interruption
11:14<persi>btw I can compile any package with those 3 commands?
11:15<cogwheel>most
11:15<nivash>i have a question to ask you all. Is debian's update mechanism better than ubuntu?
11:15<cogwheel>nivash, they're the same
11:15<cogwheel>persi, first check does it have a configure file or a Makefile in the package, if a configure exists you should run it, if a Makefile exists you can run Make
11:15<nivash>what makes debian special?
11:16<noflash>!tell nivash -abour why debian
11:16<persi>ok thanks SOOOO much, I thought I have to switch to windows again...
11:16<noflash>!tell nivash -about why debian
11:16<cogwheel>persi, some packages use other compile mechanisms as well, such as cmake or jam
11:17<cogwheel>in those cases i'd read the README and the INSTALL files :)
11:17<persi>btw how do I know about stuff like that, I`ve googled a lot of stuff but none of it mentioned prop driver for ESS?
11:17<Zathraz>hmm. Very nice those ot talks about Ubuntu clicky clicky, but
11:17<nivash>Is there a way to download themes via debian's package manager?
11:17<persi>I think I`ll be happy with simplest packages :)
11:17<Zathraz>does anyone please can give me some info on groupnames
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11:18<PetaWindows>nivash: try apt-cache search themes
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11:18<PetaWindows>ouch
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11:23<PetaWindows>Zathraz: why don't you try the limit? :D
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11:32<persi>thanks again, good luck!
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11:33<sterling2>hello
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11:34<sterling2>what site I have to enter in software preferences to add contrib packages to debian 4.0rc3?
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11:35<Zathraz>PetaWindows, I am trying, but I have a great many groups and some scripting and some group mappings form samba
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11:36<Zathraz>lucky me: nothing on this subject seems to be documented but it influences whether stuff works from commandline and/or gui
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11:36<Zathraz>especially fun if it works from shell but not from gui :-(
11:37<Zathraz>gui is the Usermanager for domains on Windows in this case
11:37<valdyn>!tell Zathraz -about ask
11:37<Zathraz>lol
11:37<Zathraz>sorry
11:37<PetaWindows>l0l
11:38<Zathraz>basically I want to know the groupname limit in both /etc/group as well as in the tdbsam backends ;-)
11:38<valdyn>uh
11:38<valdyn>more than 32k
11:39<valdyn>more than a flat file based /etc/groups will scale nicely to
11:40<valdyn>Zathraz: for debian its 4,294,967,296 ( wikipedia.org )
11:42<valdyn>and i think its that ^32 for 64-bit systems, but who knows
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11:42<valdyn>ops, and i think its that time 2^32 for 64-bit systems, but who knows
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11:52<Zathraz>valdyn, thanks, but I feel in this case there are some limitations. Checking things out now
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11:58<sterling2>hey valdyn
11:58<sterling2>can you help me please?
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12:01<sterling2>is there nobody in here, who can help me?
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12:05<avu>!ask
12:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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12:05<avu>sterling2, ah, seems like you already did ask a question, I do not understand it though
12:06<avu>sterling2, there are no new packages added to debian 4
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12:06<sterling2>oh no avu
12:06<sterling2>that's not what I meant
12:07<sterling2>I want to add to my package sources the i.e. non-free debian packages from debian package base
12:07<avu>ah
12:07<avu>edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root
12:07<sterling2>yeah, I know
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12:07<avu>and in the eb line containing the debian main repository, add 'contrib non-free' ad the end
12:07<avu>then to aptitude update
12:08<sterling2>I can do this via Software Properties and add one manually
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12:08<sterling2>thanks
12:08<sterling2>but more questions are waiting
12:09<sterling2>is there a jre plugin for firefox/iceweasel or general jre for my system available
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12:09<avu>sterling2, that depends on what platform you are on. I'm guessing i386 or amd64?
12:09<sterling2>oh, it's i386
12:09<avu>sterling2, in both cases, there should be a jre from sun in non-free
12:10<avu>the packages have 'sun' in their name
12:10<sterling2>another question - I am getting a little confused with these names - why are somebody calling it i386, other i586 and others again i686?
12:10<avu>so do aptitude search sun and it'll show you all the options
12:10<sterling2>this means entering in console what?
12:10<sterling2>apt-get search??? sun
12:10<avu>I already told you.
12:10<avu>18:10 < avu> so do aptitude search sun and it'll show you all the options
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12:11<sterling2>okay
12:11<avu>sterling2, people calling it i586 and i686 want to make it clear that their packages are optimized for specific processors of the i386 architecture I think
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12:12<sterling2>that make sense, but it means they are compatible to older architectures, i.e. if I install a ...-i586 on a "i386" architecture?
12:13<avu>no
12:13<avu>well, i386 is the name of the whole architecture
12:13<sterling2>yes, I know
12:13<avu>i586 means a specific processor and all that came after it
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12:13<avu>so it's still i386
12:14<sterling2>yes, but as you told me, optimized for "later" architectures
12:14<avu>it'll just not run on older i386 CPUs
12:14<sterling2>okay
12:14<sterling2>that means something other
12:15<avu>I've never seeen any conclusive evidence that these optimizations really speed up things notably though
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12:15<sterling2>okay, nice to know
12:15<sterling2>and what does !ask mean
12:15<sterling2>have I to ask that way in this channel
12:15<avu>it was a command to dpkg, the bot, which told you to just ask
12:16<sterling2>meanning entering "!ask something I would like to know?"
12:16<avu>no
12:16<avu>read what the bot wrote after I did '!ask'
12:17<sterling2>can you do that again please?
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12:17<sterling2>this is no content in dpkg's window
12:17<themill>!confuse sterling2
12:17<dpkg>Yes, them are my pineapple tomorrow, sterling2? breeches of the monarchy of mongolia with extra herring
12:17<avu>sterling2, it's not in your dpkg-window
12:17<avu>sterling2, it's here in the channel directly after I said '!ask'
12:17<sterling2>oh, sorry
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12:18<sterling2>scrolling and searching
12:18<sterling2>okay, means nothing in special
12:18<sterling2>simply typing his question :)
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12:19<sterling2>how can I find out, what my main repository is?
12:20<avu>you mean in reference to wiat I said about adding 'contrib non-free' after main?
12:20<sterling2>I suppose it's the server, I entered, when I setup debian?
12:20<avu>I meant the literal string 'main'
12:20<sterling2>yeah, you are right
12:20<avu>not some concept of a 'main repository'
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12:21<sterling2>okay, I have a german server with option main
12:21<sterling2>and a security server with main contrib
12:21<avu>sterling2, so ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
12:21<sterling2>need to attach to the first one?
12:21<avu>for example
12:21<sterling2>okay
12:22<sterling2>if I have two in my reference list, it doesn't matter?
12:22<avu>no idea what you mean by 'reference list'
12:23<sterling2>in my file /etc/apt/sources.list are probably two entries
12:23<sterling2>this means, it checks from both sites
12:23<avu>yes, it does
12:23<sterling2>ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian
12:23<avu>most sources.list files contain several entries, normally at least 4
12:23<sterling2>and http://ftp.tu-chem...
12:24<avu>sterling2, paste your whole source.list to a pastebin if you want comments on its correctnes
12:25<sterling2>I would, but I have to leave, but will keep in the channel and will be back later
12:25<sterling2>thanks for your help
12:25<sterling2>I appreciate it very much
12:26<sterling2>but still one question
12:26<sterling2>what is a pastebin?
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12:26<sterling2>where can I find it?
12:26<Aleric>!paster
12:26<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
12:26<Aleric>see topic
12:26<sterling2>okay, will have a look on it
12:26<sterling2>thanks
12:27<kop>themill: As noted, I've wacked up a persistent usb-to-serial udev rule writer. However I find it does not work and I figure I'll be switching to symlinks. What I've not worked out is what the symlink names should be. (IMO the ttyUSB devices are a tease because if you use them you don't know what you're really plugged into.)
12:27<Aleric>/msg dpkg pastebin
12:27<themill>kop: yeah, I saw your email -- thanks. Sounds like you're getting there :)
12:27<kop>themill : Any opinion? I'm thinking I'd like /dev/ttyUSB/vendorid/productid/serialnumber/port device paths, rather than use - between the name components.
12:30<kop>themill : (I'll also be asking why my writer does not work. It seems that the 'NAME=="?*"' test always fails, even though I set NAME in earlier udev rules. I know I set NAME because if I set a symlink in the same rule the symlink is created.)
12:30<themill>kop: tree structure sounds a lot more like what people would be used to from other subsystems.
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12:30<Laeborg>how can it be that when i downloading from my FTP (ProFTPd) i only get 50kB/s per file ?
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12:31<kop>themill : I'm unfamiliar with the whole thing. I thought that names in stuff like /dev/disk/by-id/ had names like foo-bar-baz. Wrong?
12:31<themill>kop: true.
12:32<Laeborg>I don't think there is any limits 'cause i have just installed proftpd
12:32<kop>themill : The suggesion I got was to imitate /dev/disk/by-id/
12:32<themill>kop: I guess I was thinking /dev/bus/usb ...
12:32<themill>kop: you could go wild and do both....
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12:33<kop>themill : I thought about that, and then figured I'd be flailing. Better to come up with a rational design from the get-go.
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12:34<ptr>Howdy.
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12:34<ptr>So, I'm trying to mount an ntfs filesystem using either ntfs or ntfs-3g, in such a way that only one user has access to its contents.
12:34<kop>themill : The thing that's appealing about persistent ttyUSB names (the approach I'm probably abandoning) is that it works nicely if you want to, e.g., use a different name and have a device like "palm" for a palm pilot.
12:35<ptr>mount -o uid=xyzzx,dmask=077,umask=177 doesn't seem to have any effect; the files are listed as having the right permissions, but other users can access them anyway.
12:35<ptr>how do I fix this?
12:35<ptr>s/umask/fmask/
12:35<kop>ptr: One way is to mount it inside a directory that only one user can traverse.
12:35<ptr>Is that the only option?
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12:35<ptr>and, if that's the case, what use are the dmask and fmask options?
12:36<kop>ptr: Dunno. Haven't thought it through (and have never used ntfs.)
12:36<ptr>:( thanks anyway
12:36<fxiny>ptr: windows side ?
12:36<ptr>would it be bad manners to ask the same question in #debian on freenode?
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12:37<ptr>fxiny: what do you mean?
12:37<ptr>no, this is from linunx
12:37<ptr>sudo mount /media/Windows
12:37<ptr>ls -ld /media/Windows
12:37<fxiny>good . i was ready to shut : "in the realm of ignorance (permission) windows is a king" :P
12:37<ptr>drwx------ 1 ptr plugdev 8.0K 2008-06-25 22:25 /media/Windows/
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12:37<ptr>but guest can cd in, and read and write files
12:38<kop>ptr: weird
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12:38<fxiny>shut ? hmmm
12:39<themill>kop: anything that is reproducible across plugins and reboots will be fine. If they just stay as /dev/ttyUSBX with symlinks back to them, there's nothing wrong with that at all. That would probably be preferable, in fact.
12:39<kop>themill : That's what I plan.
12:39<themill>:)
12:41<Laeborg>Starting ftp server: proftpd - Fatal: unknown configuration directive 'AllowForeingAddress' on line 113 of '/etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf'
12:41<Laeborg>failed!
12:41<cahoot>typo in file or only in channel?
12:41<kop>themill : But I'd like (to at least know) how to also create "reasonable" symlinks like "/dev/palm" that are persistent. I think maybe the only way is with a rule writer as happens with z25_persistent-*.rules. The rule writer appoach is klugey.
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12:44<kop>themill : The good thing about 'reasonable' names, like cdrom0, is that programs always know what the name is. Once you start throwing serial numbers into the mix then nothing is 'plug and play' any more -- the user always has to intervene and supply the device name. (I suppose the application could be clever and traverse a tree, but what a pain.)
12:44<kop>themill : For me, I don't care. But I'd like a "plan for the future" anyhow.
12:45<themill>kop: Now you're pushing the bounds of what I've ever looked at a bit... But yes, I suspect you're going to need a rule writer approach to give persistent "short names" to devices like that. But to come up with reasonable device names automatically is going to be difficult. You need to know what device IDs etc are going to be used by what types of devices in advance.
12:46<kop>themill : I should probably let the future take care of itself. I've enough work as it is. :-P
12:46<themill>Yeah, as long as you don't box it into a tight corner, it will be fine later
12:47<kop>themill : I was thinking of basing the device names off the driver name, as a first try anyhow....
12:47<Laeborg>any ways to download data from my server without usign ftp ?
12:47<kop>Laeborg : scp
12:47<themill>kop: yeah, plausible.
12:48<kop>themill : But I've got all this code that (almost) works, and I don't want to throw it away! :-(
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12:49<Laeborg>what is that?
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12:50<kop>Laeborg : A command. If you've a MS box then use putty to scp.
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12:50<ian>hi there
12:50<ian>Does anyone know a way to install gfxboot on SID?
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12:52<ian>I mean is there a kind of repo?
12:53<Laeborg>"scp user@host:directory/SourceFile TargetFile" what is sourcefile?
12:53<kop>Laeborg : That'd be the file you want to copy.
12:53<Laeborg>what is targetfile then?
12:53<themill>kop: there shouldn't be any need to throw any of it away though should there? At most it's adaptations to what you have or additions of further aliases, isn't it?
12:54<themill>Laeborg: you have copied files before, haven't you...
12:54<kop>Laeborg : That'd be the name you want to use for the copied file.
12:54<Laeborg>ah thanks kop
12:54<Laeborg>themill: not with scp
12:54<kop>Laeborg : scp is cp, but secure and for the network.
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12:57<kop>themill : I don't need any of my rule writing stuff just to get symlinks to /dev/ttyUSB* that are named in a persistent fashion. The rule writing stuff is needed for persisent "reasonable names/symlinks". But I'm conflicted! (Help!) I don't know that whatever I come up with for "reasonable" names is going to be worth the kludgeyness of rule writing.
12:58<kop>themill : One thing at a time I guess.
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12:59<themill>kop: one thing at a time indeed. The general rule for getting anything into big projects like udev is to start by sending a small patch as soon as you can that offers a small improvement in functionality while showing potential to add more. Then start sending more complicated stuff. No-one likes getting a big lump of stuff all at once, particularly if they want to disagree with something that was done much earlier in the development.
13:00<themill>kop: (this is one of the reasons why ext4 is in the kernel and reiser4 is not...)
13:00<kop>themill : Nach. The persistent symlinks are the right start.
13:00<kop>themill : I just wish I had a plan for what'd be next.
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13:00<themill>heh. Not necessarily your problem though. Others will have ideas too. Synthesise.
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13:00<kop>themill : Good plan.
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13:04<kop>themill : That kind of brings me back to where I started. Whatdayathink, should I use - or / to separate components of the persistent symlinks?
13:05<themill>kop: I'm the wrong person to ask. You need to talk to the udev maintainers about that as it's what they consider to be good or bad that matters. If they suggested disk/by-id then they're talking about - not / though.
13:06<kop>themill : Good point. I'll send a patch and ask (or maybe the other way around).
13:06<themill>kop: anyway, time for me to run off. Have fun with it, and let me know how you're going.
13:06<kop>themill : righto
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13:42<Orijin4l>can i make it so that when a user logs in via ssh they cant get higher than their home dir ?
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13:44<avu>Orijin4l, you will have to setup a chroot environment for that (containing all the files he needs)
13:44<avu>Orijin4l, because a use that can't get 'higher' than their home directory, can's get to /bin/ls either for example
13:44<Orijin4l>yeah
13:44<Orijin4l>would that involve modifying the openssh sources ?
13:45<Orijin4l>cause i need some users to be modified and some not to be
13:45<avu>no
13:45<Orijin4l>http://www.howtoforge.com/chroot_ssh_sftp_debian_etch
13:45<Orijin4l>i found this googling, that was the best thing i found
13:45<Orijin4l>but "patched ssh sources" sounded a bit dodgy to me
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13:47<avu>one easy way would be backporting recent openssh versions (5.0), they contain a new configuration directive for chrooting users
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13:47<avu>well, not very easy, since openssh 5.0 isn't even in sid yet :)
13:47<avu>they have a debian/ dir in upstream CVS though IIRC
13:48<Orijin4l>4.3 is current stable right /
13:49<avu>if by 'current stable' you mean 'in etch' then that might be right
13:49<avu>!info openssh-server
13:49<Orijin4l>!info open-ssh server
13:49<Orijin4l>that was stupid :P
13:49<dpkg>openssh-server: (secure shell server, an rshd replacement), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.7p1-12 (sid), Packaged size: 250 kB, Installed size: 672 kB
13:49<avu>just give it a while
13:49<avu>oh
13:50<avu>!info openssh-server etch
13:50<Orijin4l>i thought it might be messaged to the user
13:50<dpkg>openssh-server: (Secure shell server, an rshd replacement), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.3p2-9 (etch), Packaged size: 216 kB, Installed size: 556 kB
13:50<avu>otherwise, just check packages.debian.org or use apt-cache policy
13:51<ian>Does anyone know a place/repo to find GfxBoot?
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13:51<Orijin4l>azaroth:/tmp# /usr/bin/ssh -V
13:51<Orijin4l>OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9etch2, OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006
13:51<avu>we already knew that now..
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14:04<twinsen>hello
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14:04<twinsen>anyone familiar with netcat?
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14:05<shahar>maybe...
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14:05<twinsen>I am doing the following:
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14:06<twinsen>nc -l -p 2000 <pipe | tee -a inflow.log | wc -c | tee -a outflow.log >pipe
14:06<twinsen>where pipe e is a pipe, created like this: mknod pipe p
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14:06<twinsen>connecting to the server: nc localhost 2000
14:06<twinsen>the client never receives the output from the server
14:07<avu>wc -c obviously doesn't stream
14:07<twinsen>if I send to the server "abc", inflow.log is allright, it has "abc" in a line
14:07<avu>it waits for the stdin to be finished
14:07<twinsen>ah
14:07<not4u>seems like ALSA can only process audio for one application at a time. if i try to run another app that uses sound i get an error message that ALSA is already being used. i believe this is how ALSA is set up to work by default. i'm wondering if there is any way to configure ALSA so that I can run two apps that use sound at the same time?
14:07<twinsen>it only outputs after reading an EOF
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14:08<avu>since it counts all the chars in the input, yes
14:08<twinsen>the same was happening to me with perl -ne 'print ....'
14:08<mase>not4u youre right. what you need is a sound server like ESD or pulseaudio
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14:08<avu>or dmix...
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14:09<twinsen>but, nc -l -p 2000 <pipe | tee -a inflow.log | tee | tee -a outflow.log >pipe works for eg
14:09<avu>not4u, to be clear:you don't need a sound server
14:09<avu>not4u, you need dmix
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14:09<twinsen>avu, but if I run wc -c, everytime it receives a line feed, it prints to stdout a value
14:09<avu>not4u, (a sound server would solve the problem too of course, but it would be overkill if the only thing you want is have alsa accept input from more than one pogram at a time)
14:09<not4u>i think i already have dmix installed.
14:09<twinsen>not after i send EOF (ctrl +d)
14:09<avu>not4u, dmix is part of alsa
14:10<avu>twinsen, no it doesn't?
14:10<not4u>...it's not set up to do what you are suggesting. how can i configure it?
14:10<avu>twinsen, that would make no sense at all
14:10<mase>not4u but the overhead of a soundserver is quite tollerable...
14:11<avu>not4u, there are countless examples on the web
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14:11<not4u>k
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14:11<mase>not4u what are you going to do?
14:11<twinsen>avu, you are right, grrr, I rember doing the same on a ubuntu machine , and giving me output after each newline
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14:11<avu>twinsen, no.
14:11<twinsen>now in my debian box is as you say
14:11<avu>twinsen, it didn't do that there either.
14:12<twinsen>avu, yes it doesn't make any sense
14:12<not4u>mase: have a music app running and start a game at the same time
14:12<not4u>just an example ^^
14:13<amadeo>Is the firefox/iceweasel in Sid still not the final release?
14:13<avu>amadeo, it is
14:13<twinsen>same for this: nc -l -p 2000 <pipe | tee -a inflow.log | perl -ne 'print "$_\n";' | tee -a outflow
14:13<amadeo>It's version is 3.0~rc2-2
14:13<avu>amadeo, same thing
14:13<avu>amadeo, there were no linux affecting changes from rc2 to release
14:13<twinsen>any suggestion about how to make it work with perl?
14:13<amadeo>I've thought the rc2 stands for release canidate
14:13<avu>amadeo, it does
14:13<amadeo>i see
14:13<mase>not4u that may be a problem; while playing music via soundserver (esd on gnome, arts/pulseaudio for kde) is no problem, some older games uses alsa directly, causing alsa to be blocked for the soundserver
14:14<avu>amadeo, but as I said, there were no changes
14:14<twinsen>I tried also with a script, based on a while ( <> ) { ... print ... }
14:14<avu>amadeo, (only a OSX only fix)
14:14<mase>not4u what game for example?
14:14<amadeo>it's because i've got a problem with the tabkit extension
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14:14<mase>not4u there is an solution with pulseaudio, but it is not "really" easy
14:14<not4u>yeah. i'm already having a problem getting sound on the game without running another sound app. wolfenstein enemy territory. but i cant play a video and have music running at the same time
14:15<not4u>...either
14:15<avu>twinsen, maybe buffering hits you there, try flushing or using one of those magic perl variables to turn on autoflush
14:15<amadeo>i thought it might be due to firefox not beeing the final version...
14:16<mase>not4u there is a plugin for the alsa-libraries, causing the alsa-output not to be played throug alsa directly but throug pulseaudio
14:16<avu>twinsen, $| it is
14:16<avu>twinsen, set it to 1
14:16<mase>not4u so every application is playing sound with pulsaudio, wich mixes the,
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14:16<avu>twinsen, (in BEGIN if you use -ne)
14:17<not4u>so i need to install pulseaudio as well as the alsa plugin?
14:17<mase>not4u there are easier "older" ways. what desktop-environment are you using?
14:17<twinsen>avu, thanks
14:17<not4u>do you know the name of the plugin?
14:17<twinsen>avu, it works great now
14:17<not4u>kde
14:17<avu>not4u, what happened to just using dmix?
14:17<mase>not4u mom
14:17<twinsen> nc -l -p 2000 <pipe | tee -a inflow.log | perl -ne '$|=1; print "$_\n";' | tee -a outflow.log >pipe
14:17<twinsen>:)
14:17<avu>twinsen, that sets $| on every line when once would be enough but well :)
14:18<mase>not4u there was a way to start "enemy..." with "artsdsp"; e.g. "artsdsp enemy"
14:18<not4u>avu: just a sec
14:18<twinsen>it was just a quick test, for my needs, I'll have a script file
14:18<twinsen>thanks a lot avu
14:18<mase>not4u that simulates a sound device to the game, causing all sound played through alsa
14:19<avu>mase, arts != alsa
14:19<mase>avu yes, thats the point
14:19<avu>mase, well, then the second sentence of you should go through a s/alsa/arts/ :)
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14:20<mase>avu oh, youre right, "... played through arts"
14:20<mase>avu sorry, missspelled
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14:24<not4u>mase: artsdsp works only for binaries
14:24<not4u> /quote
14:24<mase>not4u oh, yes, i can remeber... i think you have to edit the enemy... start-script
14:25<mase>not4u there was a line calling the binary
14:25<mase>not4u and there you have to prefix the "artsdsp" (i can not promise)
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14:25<mase>not4u you are using kde3, not kde4, right?
14:26<jerry>hello ,every one
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14:27<jerry>iceweasel can't install addon ? does anyone know why?
14:27<mase>jerry ? what addon, whats the error...?
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14:29<mase>not4u any goals?
14:30<jerry>sorry , i am chinese , addon like "All-in-One Sidebar"
14:31<mase>jerry you don't have to sorry about that
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14:32<mase>jerry i'm much more eval: "german"
14:32<jerry>i can't install any of them "Firefox Add-ons",do you know why?
14:33<mase>jerry whats the problem?
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14:34<jerry>the add-ons int https://addons.mozilla.org/
14:35<jerry>i can't install any of them
14:36<fxiny>jerry: what debian version are you running ?
14:36<jerry>etch
14:36<jerry>stable
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14:37<fxiny>remove ~/.mozilla and start iceweasel again
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14:37<jerry>firefox's version is iceweasel 2.0.0.14
14:38<jerry>ok, i try
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14:38<adah>hello, I'm trying to mount a windows drive, and I cannot access it as a regular user
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14:38<adah>I've tried setting correct permissions also
14:38<mase>jerry have you tried to "open with"..."firefox" instead of saving it to hard disk?
14:39<mase>jerry (open with iceweasel)
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14:40<mase>jerry but many plugins are just not working, that seems to be quite normal. try other plugins to see if the whole thing itself is working at all...
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14:40<jerry>nop, also CAN'T install
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14:41<whiskthecat>hello
14:41<whiskthecat>can someone help me out with a mount problem
14:41<mase>jerry open with iceweasel, what does it say?
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14:42<fxiny>jerry: are firefox3 extensions or 2 ?
14:42<whiskthecat>I am trying to mount /dev/sda /media/usb and it keeps telling me that one of them is busy
14:42<not4u>mase: goals?
14:42<mase>not4u any "events", whats your state?
14:43<not4u>not yet
14:44<not4u>dont really care about the game issue so much just yet. i would like to be able to run audacious and kaffine at the same time though.
14:44<not4u>deciding between dmix and... pulseaudio
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14:45<jerry>iceweasel 2.0.0.14, the error is " Iceweasel can't install the plug in https://addons.mozilla.org/zh_CN/firefox/downloads/file/25947/russian_bar-1.2.1.fx.xpi ,the reasion is:not correct RSA(maybe download error) -261"
14:45<Woet>what character does debian use to show ps faux in a listed manner?
14:45<Woet>i want to make a fancy list of the output of ps faux
14:46<mase>not4u oh no, try to get them both played through arts, that would be the easiest way for you at the moment
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14:46<jerry> iceweasel 2.0.0.14, the error is " Iceweasel can't install the plug in https://addons.mozilla.org/zh_CN/firefox/downloads/file/25947/russian_bar-1.2.1.fx.xpi ,the reasion is:not correct RSA(maybe download error) -261"
14:48<qq_>jerry: russian_bar-1.2.1.fx.xpi ??? for a chines
14:49<fxiny>jerry: russian bar can be installed
14:49<jerry>................
14:49<jerry>i can't
14:49<fxiny>just done it
14:49<qq_>RSA(maybe download error)
14:49<jerry>anyone can't install
14:50<jerry>i try a lot of .
14:50<fxiny>https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=russian+bar&cat=all
14:50<fxiny>try that
14:50<not4u>mase: so run kaffeine as well as xmms through artsd?
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14:51<not4u>would i have to run a different command or change their start command on menu entries to get that working?
14:51<jerry>nop, also can't install
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14:51<GhostlyDeath>Where can I setup my remote desktop settings in GNOME?
14:52<mase>not4u that are settings in the "audio output" for each application... well, i go bathing for a minute
14:52<Woet>[20:45:30] <Woet> what character does debian use to show ps faux in a listed manner?
14:52<Woet>[20:45:47] <Woet> i want to make a fancy list of the output of ps faux
14:53<jerry>the error message is the same....
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14:56<jerry>the error made me CRAZY..-_-
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14:57<fxiny>jerry: it can be installed in etch , so is not debian fault . last thing you can check is : 6428e2eef7740b188145012b124a7e6c russian_bar-1.2.1-fx.xpi
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14:58<fxiny>download it and compare md5sum with mine
14:59<jerry>i know , some of my friend in china also have the fault.
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14:59<jerry>how to compare md5sum ?
15:00<fxiny>could be a locale issue then , with en-US everything is fine
15:00<fxiny>jerry: just md5sum russian_bar-1.2.1-fx.xpi
15:01<fxiny>it shows cyrillic chars
15:01<jerry>just a few days, before 2008-7-3 it's all right.
15:02<fxiny>i'd love to blame suckzilla , but i have insufficient data :P
15:02<amphi>heh
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15:04<jerry>after md5sum , the error message is " Iceweasel can't install , the reason is : not eval -207"
15:06<fxiny>jerry: hmmm , no . download this russian_bar-1.2.1-fx.xpi ,then run : md5sum russian_bar-1.2.1-fx.xpi and compare it with mine
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15:08<jerry>oops, also the same error message...........
15:08<fxiny>when downloading ?
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15:09<jerry>after you say " hmmm , no . download this russian_bar-1.2.1-fx.xpi ,then run : md5sum russian_bar-1.2.1-fx.xpi and compare it with mine"
15:09<fxiny>jerry: can you download that file ?
15:10<jerry>yes
15:10<fxiny>so cd close to it and run md5sum
15:11<jerry>yes
15:11<fxiny>does it match ?
15:11<fxiny>or something is "filtering" it up ? ;)
15:12*fxiny has a suspicious mind
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15:12<jerry>29e44079b0758d13ce5c3130548058c
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15:13<fxiny>hehehe is not the same
15:13<jerry>...realy?
15:13<enouf>fxiny: suckzilla == firepoop .. no porbs! :-)
15:14<fxiny>enouf: heheheh
15:14<enouf>does someone above need debsums? or is that not from debian repos?
15:15<jerry>-_- ,
15:15<fxiny>enouf: found another firebus3 bug : it can't open https url when clicking on a "group" bookmark
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15:16<enouf>fxiny: ahh .. we can't have that! .. how are we to do our banking online!! ugh :-p
15:16<jerry>i give up,
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15:17<jerry>anyone use sawfish?
15:17<fxiny>enouf: is not banking : it's self defense ;)
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15:18<enouf>fxiny: careful with those botnets now :-P
15:19<jerry>i have program with sawfish: my dot sawfishrc like this ";;; startup program
15:19<jerry>(define jerry-startup-programs
15:19<jerry> '(
15:19<jerry> ("conky")
15:19<jerry> ("xloadimage" "-onroot" "-fullscreen" "/root/wallpaper/Debian/32.png")
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15:20<enouf>jerry: use a pastebin next time
15:20<jerry>faint, kick me off -_-
15:20<enouf>!paste
15:20<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
15:21<jerry>ok
15:21<jerry> i have program with sawfish: my dot sawfishrc like this
15:24<jerry>(define jerry-startup-programs '( ("conky") ("xloadimage" "-onroot" "-fullscreen" "/root/wallpaper/Debian/32.png") ("xscreensaver" "-no-splash") ("qsynaptics" "-r") ("xrdb" ".Xdefaults") ("xclock" "-d" "-face" "microsoft yahei" "-padding" "1" "-strftime" "%T" "-update" "1" "-bg" "blue" "-fg" "white") ;;("sawfish-conky") ;;("scim" "-d") ;;("asclock" "-theme" "/home/jerry/.asclock/jerry") )) (mapc (lambda (program) (apply start-p
15:24<jerry>rocess (make-process standard-output) program)) jerry-startup-programs) (add-hook 'before-exit-hook (lambda () (mapc stop-process (active-processes))))
15:24<enouf>o m g
15:25<jerry>sorry
15:25<fxiny>in the dark :P
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15:28<jerry>quit
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15:29<fxiny>123 ? hmmm i've missed that i have 125 :P
15:29<fxiny>cidr rulez :P
15:30<enouf>heh
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15:47<chameleon>hello cool ppl
15:47<chameleon>first question of the day
15:48<chameleon>what program like aMSN showes you when some one closes the window?
15:48<chameleon>and i know it is not gaim wither
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15:49<fxiny>chameleon: what irc client are you using ?
15:49<chameleon>xchat why?
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15:50<fxiny>ever tryed bitlbee for msn yahoo + more ?
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15:50<fxiny>i use irssi
15:51<chameleon>nope never tryed that
15:51<chameleon>iam just looking for the one that tells you when the person your talking to closes ther window
15:51<fxiny>chameleon: check both : irssi and bitlbee
15:55<fxiny>chameleon: by closing the window you mean disconnect ?
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15:55<chameleon>yes the chat window
15:55<chameleon>the tells you at the bottem i think if i can rember right
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15:56<fxiny>right , so you can use your irc client and connect to bitlbee gw , when your peer disconnects you get irc notification
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15:57<chameleon>huh
15:57<fxiny>chameleon: i have bitlbee running in a vserver for fun . i can connect at the same time to msn . yahoo , gchat , icq
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15:58<fxiny>chameleon: everything is pretty the same as a normal irc session
15:58<chameleon>but does it tell you when the person closes the window
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15:59<fxiny>chameleon: if by closing the window you mean "it disconnects" yes . same as any quit/left you can see now
16:00<chameleon>hummm ill have to check that out
16:00<Villarroel>Hi.
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16:02<chameleon>fxiny do you know much about linux debian ?
16:02<fxiny>chameleon: i am a user
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16:02<fxiny>proud to be a user
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16:05<chameleon>ha ha there is a guy talking about linux
16:05<chameleon>installing about
16:05<chameleon>Ubuntu
16:05<fxiny>chameleon: it works like this : you run the gateway , you connect your irc client to it , you identify , put your acounts on , add/del buddies and type/read exactly like now
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16:06<haole>hey there... i can't find any good guides to install nvidia commercial drivers in my debian lenny box... can anyone help me?
16:06<chameleon>the dottoteck
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16:14<haole>hey there... i can't find any good guides to install nvidia commercial drivers in my debian lenny box... can anyone help me?
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16:15<noflash>!tell haole about nvidia
16:16<path>!tell path about nvidia
16:17<path>!tell path about ati
16:17<path>!tell path about nvidia one-liner
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16:17<path>!tell path about nvidia nvidia_post_etch
16:18<path>!tell path about nvidi_post_etch
16:18<path>!tell path about nvidia_post_etch
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16:18<path>!tell path about fglrx
16:18<path>!tell path about radeon
16:19<path>!tell path about radeonhd
16:19<amphi>!tell path about selftell
16:20*kop is going to install debian from floppy for the first time...
16:20<path>I was looking for that amphi :D
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16:21<kop>I'm wondering if a 300MHz celeron is good enough for a 2 monitor thin client.
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16:23<amphi>;)
16:24<badiane>isn't the card the bigger factor than the cpu?
16:24<path>kop It good enough ;)
16:24<path>s/it/it is
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16:25<badiane>as long as the processing engine on the card is strong enough it shouldn't bother your cpu
16:26<badiane>not as much as a shared memory card would
16:26<kop>badiane : The only deal is that I want xinerama. Really, I want xinerama on 2 monitors and a separate monitor that does nothing but run xsane and act as a copy machine. The box has an agp and 2 pci slots for pci video cards.
16:27<kop>badiane : But I'm starting with xinerama.
16:27<fxiny>kop: xmonad can do xinerama
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16:27<fxiny>light and nice
16:27<kop>I'll see how it goes. The good part is that the box has no fan, except in the psu.
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16:28<badiane>the processing is done by the gpu and it's memory
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16:28<kop>fxiny : xmonad? I'm off to google.
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16:29<fxiny>kop: http://xmonad.org/images/screen-triplehead-galois.png
16:29<badiane>it's a window manager?
16:29<fxiny>yes
16:30<badiane>xinerama is not dependent upon a window manager as far as I know?
16:30<badiane>xenerama is a xserver characteristic
16:30<kop>fxiny : Ah. I'm not sure the concept appeals. But I do want to get away from gnome and kde. Anyhow, the wm will likely stress the network more than the display, maybe.
16:30<badiane>well that's one way
16:31<fxiny>kop: i am already away from them : tiling window managers are real window managers
16:31<badiane>I have been usind xfce for the longest and before that it was window maker most of the time and e16 on and off; e17 is really, really nice.
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16:32<badiane>I have never tried xfce acroos the network but I know that windowmaker should do quite well across
16:32<kop>(urg. Took 3 floppies before I found one without badblocks.)
16:34<kop>(darn things are only 15 years old)
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16:35<scatterp>hi i am having some trouble mounting my hds http://pastebin.com/f4e3aa8d2 can any one tell me what i am doing wrong ?
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16:36<scatterp>also: i want to run a emulator such as qemu to boot my RAW windows xp partition i already created a seprate hardware profile for testing... which emulator will offer the best compatability i saw that qemu can pass x86 instructions directly to the x86 chip (makes sense really)
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16:41<badiane>scatterp: why does line 9 have uid and gid
16:41<scatterp>badiane, i was told that might fix the issue
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16:43<badiane>scatterp: I'm not in the habit of having ntfs drives so I was kind of asking at the same time. what exactly is the problem that you have encountered
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16:43<Curtis>anyone have the rtl8187b wireless card?
16:44<Curtis>anyone?
16:44<badiane>nope
16:44<badiane>Curtis: nope
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16:45<scatterp>badiane, i see failed in red during boot up and there not mounted
16:45<Curtis>does anyone in this chat need help with the rtl8187b wireless card?
16:45<badiane>scatterp: after boot, have you tried to run mount -a
16:45<Alex>Greetings all. I have downloaded a a file which was a .tar.bz2 but when I downloaded it onto my WIndows machine it became a .tar.tar. How do I untar this file and extract it's contents???
16:46<Alex>I have uploaded it to my Linux box from Windows BTW
16:46<badiane>Alex: 7zip should handle that in windows I think
16:46<Curtis>alex; winrar
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16:46<badiane>Alex: why not from linux directly
16:46<Alex>Ideally I extract the contents on my linux machine...
16:46<scatterp>trying now
16:46<badiane>scatterp: ok
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16:47<badiane>curtis: what's the problem with the realtek
16:47<Curtis>badiane: ubuntu does not reconize it
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16:47<badiane>curtis: what do you get when you do iwconfig
16:48<haole>how do i ask something to dpkg? :D
16:48<Alex>I have tried the following and get these errors??? :(
16:48<Alex>spectra-server:~# tar xf roadsend-php-2.9.6.tar.tar
16:48<Alex>tar: This does not look like a tar archive
16:48<Alex>tar: Skipping to next header
16:48<Alex>tar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers
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16:48<Alex>tar: Read 415 bytes from roadsend-php-2.9.6.tar.tar
16:48<Alex>tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
16:48<Alex>spectra-server:~#
16:49<Curtis>http://paste.debian.net/9372/
16:49<badiane>alex: what does file roadsend-php-2.9.6.tar.tar say
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16:49<scatterp>badiane, http://pastebin.com/m6d5de99e
16:50<Curtis>badiane: i have it working now but i was just offering my help to anyone that does not have it up and working.
16:50<Alex>badiane: Not sure what you mean? When I run the tar command I get the above errors.
16:50<badiane>scatter: i'm looking at it hold on
16:50<scatterp>ok
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16:50<badiane>ok
16:50<badiane>alex: there is a command called file; run in on the file
16:51<badiane>curtis: ok
16:51<kop>!tell haole -about selftell
16:51<Alex>I'm getting a command not found error... :|
16:52<Curtis>badiane: in the future if anyone asks for help have them email me at curtis.slaght@gmail.com thanks
16:52<Alex>hehe...sorry newbie still :)
16:52<scatterp>!tell scatterp -about selftell
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16:53<badiane>curtis: I shall
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16:53<kop>Alex : You might try using the "file" command on the file to see if the download was borked.
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16:54<Curtis>badiane: thanks
16:54<badiane>scatterp: i'm still looking at it
16:54<Alex>kop: I've re-downloaded the file several times so I am sure it's downloaded fine at least of of those times...a friend tells me it sounds like I don't have the proper tool installed...
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16:56<badiane>scatterp: if you notice the line with the gid and uid in alpha form gives and error you should change it to be the same as the others
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16:56<badiane>scatterp: out all of these drives how many do not mount
16:56<kurumin>?
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16:56<kop>Alex: The file command will tell you what kind of file it is, and the bunzip2 command can tell you if it's corrupt. (use the -t option)
16:57<badiane>Alex: where did you download the file from. I'd like to try .
16:57<Alex>From roadsend.com the pre-compiled binary not the source.
16:57<scatterp>all do not mount
16:58<scatterp>badiane, yeah but thats not gonna help i want basicly all users to have access to the drivers read write execute privledges
16:59<Curtis>goodbye
16:59<Curtis>have a nice night everyone
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16:59<badiane>Alex: the file gives me no errors
16:59<Alex>what command did you use to untar it?
17:00<Alex>Maybe I don't have the proper command installed or something.
17:00<badiane>alex: I downloaded with wget, and did a tar jtv <filename> and listed its contents
17:00<Alex>I've never used wget... :S
17:00<badiane>alex: to untar it I would do tar xjvf <filename>
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17:01<scatterp>Alex you maybe able to do apt-get install wget
17:01<badiane>alex: wget is very cool and you avoid having windows muck around with your files
17:01<scatterp>Alex, that will install it if its not installed
17:01<scatterp>Alex, also to use it simply type wget www.example.com/something.ext
17:01<Alex>I've often thought I should learn how to do FTP from linux to avoid the windows middle man approach, yes. :)
17:01<scatterp>Alex, and it will download it you can test with wget yahoo.com
17:02<scatterp>Alex, good luck :)
17:02<Alex>So do I just enter wget with the URL of the file?
17:02<scatterp>sure
17:02<scatterp>badiane, so no ideas on the mounting then ?
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17:03<badiane>scatterp: hold on a moment
17:03<scatterp>k
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17:04<badiane>alex: use ncftp it's so very cool on the command line and I use fireftp right from firefox or filezilla
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17:05<Alex>Argh...I downloaded the file using wget and all went well...then I tired to extract and still I get an error... :S
17:05<Alex>spectra-server:~# tar xjvf roadsend-php-2.9.6.tar.bz2
17:05<Alex>tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory
17:05<Alex>tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
17:05<Alex>tar: Child returned status 2
17:05<Alex>tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
17:05<Alex>spectra-server:~#
17:05<Alex>Do I need to apt-get install bzip2???
17:06<badiane>alex: install bzip2 if it isn't
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17:06<badiane>alex: once you do all should be fine.
17:06<Alex>Zing that was it...seems to be extracting now :)
17:06<badiane>scatterp: I haven't forgot
17:06<badiane>alex: don't you just love linux:-)
17:07<Alex>When it works the way I want it to, yup. :P
17:07<scatterp>take your time im gonna pop to the store for 5 minites grab some coke
17:07<badiane>ok
17:07<badiane>alex: let's just say that there is a ton of stuff to learn and one major roadblock is "windows" mentality
17:08<Alex>Now that I have extracted (which I did in the root) is it installed or do I likely have to call it's ./configure scripts??? I would like to move it to another directory before I begin attempting to compile my PHP scripts.
17:08<kop>Alex: The reference manual at debian.org is good, the basic commands chapter. Also /msg dpkg grounding
17:08<Guest3608>i start to take drugs now ^^
17:09<badiane>alex: are you running as root or you mean in the root of your filesystem?
17:09<kop>Alex, it un-tarred in your current directory. The next step is to read the INSTALL file. (This is why apt is good, and install from source not so good.)
17:09<Alex>Both :P
17:10<badiane>alex: you should run most of the time as yourself and use, in a controlled way, sudo for superuser stuff.
17:10<Alex>It's a local machine behind a NAT router so I don't really concern myself about logging in as root here at home
17:10<Alex>it saves me the trouble of having to su back and forth during rapid development
17:10<amphi>Alex: not doing stuff as root is to protect the machine from _you_ ;(
17:11<amphi>er, ;)
17:11<kop>Wnen it comes to stuff that's not a debian package, you're kinda-sorta on your own and have to rtfm to get the stuff installed and working.
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17:11<badiane>alex: also from a package like the one you just downloaded which might have been malicious
17:11<Alex>yeah thats true, a few times I've deleted the entire tree because I was logged in as root...but I walk on eggs shells when I do anything like that now... :P
17:12<badiane>alex: since you didn't check the integrity of the file, no keys and so forth. So as root you may install a something which is bad for your system.
17:12<badiane>alex: just put yourself in sudo
17:12<badiane>alex: avoid being root if thee is no need
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17:14<badiane>alex: take a look at alien. Description: convert and install rpm and other packages
17:14<badiane> Alien allows you to convert LSB, Red Hat, Stampede and Slackware Packages
17:14<badiane> into Debian packages, which can be installed with dpkg.
17:14<badiane> .
17:14<badiane> It can also generate packages of any of the other formats.
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17:14<Alex>I probably should...and just use sudo for root commands...your right
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17:16<badiane>sorry folks for the bad paste
17:17<kop>badiane : IMO Alien is a bad idea. If it's not part of debian you can't trust it. You're just asking to install something that borks the system. The whole point of having a distro is that the distro does all the system's integeration and makes sure everything works with everything. Without that your system turns to muck in a few years, just like MS products.
17:17<badiane>kop: true but as long as the package has been verified you may build your own
17:18<badiane>kop: for places where then need to build their own packages for system distribution it's the way to go when you have more than 400 systems
17:18<kop>badiane : If you're building your own packages then why not make .debs and have done with it?
17:18<badiane>kop: you would use something like fai, cobbler.
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17:19<badiane>kop: because one may need to distribute it to someone else. That's why sites have the different packs and tars
17:19<badiane>kop: what if you need to use your package on a slacware system or a bsd system
17:20<badiane>there was another such package builder I used to use a long time ago and it was waayy better than alien
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17:24<adema>i have a problem to read video with vlc on debian/lenny
17:24<adema>vlc can't read any video anymore
17:24<adema>"main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc ..." <- the same kind of error every time i want to play a video
17:26<badiane>scatterp: are you there
17:28<kop>What sorta stuff does "standard system" install when chosen from the debian installer?
17:29<scatterp>back
17:30<scatterp>badiane, yes im here
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17:50<Alex>I've been playing around learning about Linux and I've eneter the CLI for a program Bigloo -- I can't seem to break out of it's CLI and return to the Linux CLI. I've tried everything, CTRL+C, break, quit, exit, etc...nothing works...any ideas???
17:51<weasel>^D?
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17:53<avu>Alex, if C-d does not work, take this as an opportunity to learn about pkill :)
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17:54<Fade_To_Black>hi
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17:54<Fade_To_Black>I installed a new kernel
17:55<Fade_To_Black>and the headers too, but when I try to compile new nvidia
17:55<Fade_To_Black>it says it can't find headers
17:55<Alex>Thing is, how do I execute a command if I'm stuck in the CLI of a program like bigloo? It's like MySQL CLI but Ctrl+C doen't break out back to the CLI
17:55<Fade_To_Black>something like you need to configure them in /modules/2.6.24-custom/build
17:56<Fade_To_Black>any ideas would be more than welcome
17:56<avu>Alex, open another terminal
17:57<avu>Alex, if you are running X, just open another window/tab of whatever terminal emulator you're using, if you don't have X running, press Alt+F2 to switch to another console
17:57<Alex>I just closed putty and re-opened it...I just thought there might have been a more elegant solution. :P
17:57<Runner85sx>Fade_To_Black: try to: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare
17:57<avu>Alex, you could have opened another putty and killed the program from there
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17:58<Linux___>hello when i open mp3 with audacious crash
17:58<Linux___>http://rafb.net/p/rUgEdW76.html
17:58<Alex>I just ps -aux and I cannot see a bigloo process so I assume just closing and reopening putty did the same thing???
17:59<Fade_To_Black>Runner85sx, tnx
17:59<Runner85sx>Fade_To_Black: is it working now?
17:59<Fade_To_Black>Runner85sx, could u please also explain what I just did? So I can learn from it
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18:00<Runner85sx>Fade_To_Black: this installs the debian module-assistant. m-a can help you preparing your debian to build modules an much more stuff.
18:00<avu>Alex, yes, closing the controlling terminal of an application usually kills it aswell
18:00<Fade_To_Black>Runner85sx, I dunno yet I have to stop x server first to try it
18:00<Alex>OK. So I've removed the older version of Bigloo from my system using apt-get remove bigloo -- downloaded the latest sources, extracted and ./configure but it doesn't seem to have installed cause when I execute bigloo --version I get a command not found error. What do I do after ./configure? :(
18:00<Fade_To_Black>Runner85sx, ok, lemme try brb
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18:01<Runner85sx>Fade_To_Black: okay
18:01<Linux___>someone help me?
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18:01<Runner85sx>Linux___: what is wrong?
18:01<avu>Alex, usually make, then make install
18:01<Alex>after configure?
18:01<Linux___>Runner85sx:
18:01<Linux___>http://rafb.net/p/rUgEdW76.html
18:01<Alex>Makes sense *no pun intended* :)
18:01<avu>Alex, installing applications outside of the package management is not good practice though
18:01<avu>Alex, yes
18:01<Linux___>when open audacious and choose mp3,audacious quit
18:02<stevecotton>Linux___: I'll see if it crashes for me. But it's best not to run things as root.
18:02<Alex>I know but I had too, cause apt-get only seems to support the version behind the one which is required by the application I am trying to install so I had to install without apt-get help
18:02<Runner85sx>Linux___: seems that there is problem with the playlistfile.
18:02<avu>Alex, you could get or produce a backports
18:02<avu>Alex, you could get or produce a backport
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18:03<avu>!tell Alex about backports.org
18:03<avu>!tell Alex about sspb
18:03<avu>!tell Alex about ssbp
18:04<Alex>I'll read up on those for sure, but my reasoning is I am already familiar with apt-get (highest level interface for package management -- short of Aptitude under Ubuntu??). So by learning how to do things now, at the lowest level, learning everything in between should be much easier. :)
18:04<Fade_To_Black>The kernel source files in /lib/modules/2.6.24-custom/build have not been configured
18:04<Linux___>stevecotton: i have try also as user,in some network have tell me that is bug audacious
18:04<Fade_To_Black>Runner85sx, The kernel source files in /lib/modules/2.6.24-custom/build have not been configured
18:05<stevecotton>Linux___: just spotted a couple of possible bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=audacious;dist=unstable
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18:06<stevecotton>I wasn't expecting running as root to cause the bug, it's just something to avoid.
18:06<Alex>Yikes...OK there is no make command. Shouldn't that have been included when I installed GCC ?
18:07<Alex>I thought maybe it was a shell script included, similar to configure...but all I see is a Makefile
18:07<suiside>Alex: did you install build-essential?
18:07<Alex>I just ran apt-get install gcc and assumed it installed dependencies (optional or not)
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18:08<Alex>Installing build-essential as we speak...see if that makes a diff
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18:09<Alex>OK now i make tools but do I call make with the Makefile as a argument now?
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18:09<Alex>Apparently just calling make while in the directory of bigloo was enough to invoke it's scripts?
18:09<amphi>Alex: make will automatically use a file named Makefile if it's there
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18:10<Alex>I figured that, thanks for confirming. :)
18:10<amphi>Alex: otherwise make -f somefile
18:10<Alex>Maybe not the best way to install applications but this is much needed experience for me :)
18:11<amphi>Alex: I build some stuff from source here
18:11<amphi>well, the stuff the actually builds *cough* webkit *cough*
18:12<Alex>LIke I said above, I'm confortable with apt-get and now I needed something a little more challenging...also if I DO manage to get all this configured and Roadsend compiling...what a pat on the back that will be for me :)
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18:12<amphi>!tell alex about why aptitude
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18:12<amphi>;)
18:13<Alex>Aptitude is the higher level package manager that comes with Ubuntu isn't it? Maybe I just used a GUI wrapper around the CLI but isn't it even higher in abstraction than apt-get?
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18:14<Alex>Thats one things I hate about Linux...how many ways do you need to install and configure applications...at least in Windows it's point and click and occasionally tweaking INI files or similar...haha
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18:14<avu>Alex, you are using ubuntu?
18:14<avu>Alex, then you are in the wrong channel.
18:14<avu>Alex, this is #debian, not #ubuntu
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18:15<Alex>Nope
18:15<Alex>For development I just use Debian...I tried Ubuntu for a replacement for my desktop but it just didn't cut it
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18:15<avu>Alex, well. aptitude is no GUI, it can be used as a drop-in replacement for apt-get and apt-cache in many cases
18:15<Nemoder>you don't need to learn every single way of doing something, just pick the method that works best for you
18:15<avu>!tell Alex about why aptitude
18:17<Alex>I like apt-get...but I also knew I wanted to try and install and configure from sources manually...which is why I am trying that now...
18:17<Alex>One question: When installing from sources...when I download the bzip or gz file and extract, is it usually the same process to install and confiigure:
18:17<Alex>1) ./configure
18:17<Alex>2) make
18:17<Alex>3) make install
18:17<Alex>Are these steps standardiezed at least so I can assume this will work for any project under Debian (or other distros even?)
18:18<suiside>Alex: you'll have a nightmare mixing packages installed directly from source and packages installed through apt, atleast learn ho wto build proper deb-packages and install them instead
18:18<Nemoder>!maint-guide
18:18<dpkg>A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar.
18:19<avu>Alex, nothing to do with debian, if you're compiling upstream sources yourself, you have to follow the upstream procedure
18:19<Alex>Eventually I will...right now I just want this Roadsend compiler installed and working so I can play with compiling my PHP applications...
18:19<amphi>Alex: reading README and/or INSTALL is rewarding, if they exist
18:19<avu>Alex, many open source programs use autotools and most of them are compiled/installed using ./configure && make && make install, but in any case, you should read the project's documentation
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18:20<avu>Alex, but, as I already said and as has been pointed out to you by others, you really shouldn't just install from source, bypassing the package management system
18:20<scatterp>Alex, i did screwed over everything
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18:21<Alex>So how do I check whether apt-get supports a certain version of a package? For instance bigloo when I installed using apt-get install bigloo installed version 2.9 something and Roadsend required 3.0c or above...which is why I downloaded and decided to install from source
18:21<Alex>I updated my database using apt-get update first too...if that helps?
18:21<avu>Alex, I already told you about backports.org, which is the first source to look for newer versions for stable
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18:22<avu>Alex, and I also told you how to do simple backports from sid, which is the second source to look for newer versions. to see what's available in sid, you can use packages.debian.org
18:22<lontra-kde4>if i have a via c7 processor which kernel should i use 486 or 686?
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18:26<Alex>Wow compiling takes forever... :P maybe I should just just check backports.org. If when I'm finsihed compiling and I call make clean does that remove the binaries or just source???
18:26<djflypo>#Animelliure-Fansub
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18:27<avu>Alex, make clean only cleans up the working directory
18:27<Nemoder>lontra-kde4: it says it supports SSE2 and SSE3 so my guess would be 686
18:27<avu>Alex, but until you did 'make install', nothing outside the working directory has been touched
18:27<lontra-kde4>Nemoder: thanks
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18:27<avu>Alex, only the last step, make install, installs anything on the system
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18:29<suiside>Alex: as long as you have a complete toolchain the make commands will work on virtually any GNU/linux system as long as a Makefile is provided with source (keep in mind that there are other buildsystem apart from make, but make has become the GNU standard), the configure script however is up to the project maintaner and especially with svn versions autoconfigure tools are often used, so no the process you mentioned will not work ...
18:29<suiside>... for every project out there. And really, take heed to the advice to build proper debs in the first place, you'll regret it later if you don't.
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18:31<Alex>make just builds the sources and binaries? make install actually places the binaries in proper places and configures the system...Gotcha!!! make clean will do the trick then...
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18:33<Alex>Frack...OK I tried using the package from backports.org for bigloo and it still appears to be outdated (version 2.8) and I need version 3.0c so does this mean I have to install Bigloo manually???
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18:37<haole>hey there... i can't install nvidia drivers on lenny... the wiki's guide fails to me... the .deb packages that i download from the given link won't get their dependencies resolved by apt-get or aptitude... what do i do?
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18:40<Nemoder>I use nvidia.com's driver installer on lenny, it's messy and it has to be rerun after getting xorg and kernel updates but it works
18:41<haole>Nemoder, but nvidia's link to the driver is down right now... :D
18:41<haole>guess how lucky i am
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18:43<Nemoder>for which card?
18:43<haole>geforce 8800
18:43<haole>ops
18:43<haole>8400
18:43<Nemoder>their link works for me
18:44<haole>http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/17.14.09/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-17.14.09-pkg1.run
18:44<haole>this link is giving me a file with one line in it: File not found.
18:45<Nemoder>haole: try fetching it with wget
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18:46<haole>404: Not found
18:46<haole>damn... what is going on here? :S
18:46<Nemoder>are you behind some kind of proxy?
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18:49<haole>i don't think so...i've never had this kind of problems before... im really lost here
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18:49<Nemoder>are you in the US?
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18:50<haole>no, im from brazil
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18:50<Alex>I've tried installing cURL several times now, not sure what package I need to install but I've tried (apt-get install curl and apt-get install libcurl3) but I also need curl-config and I can't seem to figure out which package that utility ships with, any ideas???
18:51<Nemoder>haole: perhaps the download site is blocking non-us, or perhaps it is your isp but the link works here
18:51<Alex>I have also tried libcurl3-gnutls thinking utilities but that doesn't work either :(
18:51<avu>Alex, /usr/bin/curl comes with the 'curl' package
18:51<haole>Nemoder, ok thanks
18:51<avu>Alex, as you could have found it using apt-file or http://packages.debian.org for example
18:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 333] by debhelper
18:52<Alex>avu, not sure I understand. curl seems to be installed but the curl-config tool seems to be missing...
18:52<emachado>haole, what about this one? http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_177.13.html
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18:53<avu>Alex, well, I just told you how to find out which package provides what file...
18:53-!-davi_ [~davi@201-24-140-209.cbace702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #debian
18:53<emachado>haole, there are some instructions and a link for download
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18:53<haole>this one downloads
18:53<haole>thanks, emachado
18:54<Tecumseh>hi there
18:54<haole>what the hell is happening here?? :D
18:55<Nemoder>Alex: it probably comes with the -dev package
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18:56<emachado>haole, what's happening?
18:56<Tecumseh>can someone give me a smart way to use a dualboot with a shared homedir? I want to have 2 or 3 distro's installed and have them use the same homedir but want the configuration files to be seperate. So all hidden files in the /home directory on / and then the data from the partition /home linked into this directory
18:56<scatterp>does any one know the best emulator to use to boot my raw xp partition from i would like to support some old directx 9 games idealy and run some standard apps (word etc)
18:56<Tecumseh>I had a problem with a shared setup yesterday that screwed up my kde install from kubuntu :(
18:56<haole>emachado, i couldn't download a link that Nemoder could
18:56<haole>emachado, the file came empty to me
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18:57<Nemoder>scatterp: qemu is pretty good but you wont get accelerated 3d without using something like wine instead
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18:58<scatterp>qemu does not seem to support booting raw partitions
18:58<scatterp>Nemoder, i tryed with qemu-loader
18:58<scatterp>Nemoder, perhaps i defined the drive wrong in there it didnt boot up
18:59<Nemoder>I have only used it with image files, not actual partitions but it might be possible
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19:00<Alex>Woot..../configure finally completed error free for RoadSend now I just make and and make install and I can start compiling my freakin' PHP apps or at least testing to see what happenes. :) Thanks ya'll
19:00<amphi>scatterp: qemu can boot a real partition
19:00<amphi>Alex: if make completes without error ;)
19:00<Alex>this is true...but I have faith :P
19:03<scatterp>amphi, can you help me make that happen ?
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19:08<amphi>scatterp: qemu -hda /dev/foo should be enough IIRC
19:09<scatterp>my drives are sdas
19:09<scatterp>should that be -sda ?
19:09<scatterp>got it
19:09<amphi>it works?
19:09<scatterp>i dunno yet
19:10<scatterp>waiting for first boot
19:10<scatterp>:)
19:10<scatterp>yes working
19:10<amphi>good-oh
19:10<scatterp>how can i change the screen size to be bigger like i want it on desktop 2
19:10<scatterp>but to take up fullscreen size more or less
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19:11<amphi>start it with the -full-screen argument? :)
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19:11*amphi recommends man qemu
19:12<scatterp>would that not mean i would not have access to linux gui
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19:12<scatterp>good idea ill read
19:12<scatterp>thx man
19:12<amphi>alt-ctrl toggles qemu's grab
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19:13<amphi>if qemu is not grabbing input devices, you can switch workspaces etc. IIRC
19:13<scatterp>is there a hotket to do that?
19:13<scatterp>is there a hotkey to do that?
19:13<scatterp>switch workspaces that is
19:13<variable_>you can make it
19:13<amphi>or set the resolution of the guest OS to the host's display res. and have your WM dispense with window decorations for qemu windows
19:14<amphi>scatterp: in what?
19:14<scatterp>in linux
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19:15<amphi>AFAIK, any window manager that supports workspaces will have keybindings to switch
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19:16<scatterp>ok
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19:41<_ZeuZ_>is there any way to kill a zombie process?
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19:42<amphi>no
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19:43<amphi>it should vanish when the parent process terminates, or reads its exit code, I believe
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19:45<maxb>Where can I find documentation on how to use dpkg triggers in a source package I create?
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19:46<_ZeuZ_>man make-kpkg perhaps? dunno but will try to help
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20:07<variable_>does enybody have used beryl plug-ins?
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20:09<amphi>beryl is dead, and quite smelly by now ;)
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20:09<amphi>variable_: I did use beryl, but I don't recall much about it now
20:10<variable_>so is there eny rplcment for beryl?
20:11<variable_>*replacement
20:11<amphi>compiz-fusion
20:11<amphi>which is in testing
20:11<variable_>;]
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20:18<not4u>i'm using kde. lit seems to start with desktop 2 as the default desktop (virtual). this just started yesterday. i want to change the settings back to desktop 1 being the default desktop i see when i start xwindow
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20:18<not4u>does that make sense?
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21:15<jordan>hi guys
21:15<dick22>hi ladys
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21:16<jordan>i came here for some support concerning a random problem with the fonts rendering in XFCE
21:16<jordan>anyone can help me on this^
21:16<jordan>?
21:17<amphi>surely not, if you don't describe the problem
21:17<jordan>k
21:18<jordan>the font renderin is bad about half the time i start xfce
21:18<dick22>try constant dpi100
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21:18<jordan>you mean in the xrog.conf^ if so, I tried that
21:19<dick22>nvidia?
21:19<jordan>yup
21:20<dick22>http://rafb.net/p/zpJDhP34.html my conf
21:21<jordan>thanks!
21:21<dick22>np
21:21<jordan>i give it a try and come back for the results
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21:24<jordan>not working...
21:24<dick22>oO
21:24<dick22>screenshot??
21:25<jordan>http://rafb.net/p/42EtoX82.html
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21:25<jordan>this is my xorg.conf
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21:26<dick22>cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep DPI
21:26<jordan>screenshoit comming
21:26<jordan>(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "DPI" "100 x 100"
21:26<amphi>jordan: when this poor rendering occurs, it affects only gtk progs, or all?
21:26<jordan>(**) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (100, 100); computed from "DPI" X config option
21:27<dick22>what are progs??
21:27<amphi>programs
21:27<jordan>amphi: havent tried anything else than gtk... got any software to suggest^
21:28<amphi>xterm? ;)
21:28<amphi>a kthing if you have any installed
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21:32<jordan>on here is the screenshot: jordanroy.com/sc.jpg
21:33<dick22>but is all ok ... or???
21:33<jordan>xterm has the problem too... in fact, it isnt limited to the fonts, even the windows border buttons are not rendered correctly
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21:34<jordan>dick22: it didnt work unfortunatly
21:34<marvin_>screenshot looks fine to me
21:34<jordan>? this is weird
21:34<marvin_>might it be a hardware problem?
21:35<jordan>well it worked fine before I installed debian instead of Archlinux
21:35<jordan>and I did it just today
21:35<marvin_>hmmm... strange...
21:36<dick22>dvi or analog ???
21:36<jordan>and also, I get a perfect rendering at some X boot, randomly
21:36<jordan>analog
21:36<marvin_>tried to change resolution/refreshrate?
21:36<dick22>hm...
21:37<jordan>I didnt to change neither... i<ll trie that and come by
21:37<jordan>(come back)
21:37<jordan>brb
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21:42<jordan>really weird... I changed my resolution in xorg.conf to 1024*768, (it was 1400*900) and restarted,
21:43<jordan>and now mys resolution stays 1440*900, but the problem is gone
21:43<jordan>my guess: my computer is haunted
21:43<dick22> nvidia-settings trued??
21:43<marvin_>it's voodoo
21:43<marvin_>^^
21:44<jordan>resolution verified by http://www.whatismyscreenresolution.com/
21:44<jordan>but not by nvidia-settings ( cant do it)
21:45<dick22>You are using
21:45<dick22>3200 X 1200 ;)
21:46<marvin_>why can't you use nvdia-settings?
21:46<dick22>try to install nvidia-driver http://www.nvidia.de/Download/index.aspx?lang=en
21:46<jordan>seems like some sort of bug to me
21:46<jordan>i have the nvidia drivers installed, and also have nvidia-settings installed
21:46<qq_>jordan: what does ?> xrandr |grep Screen
21:47<amphi>jordan: if you're panel was running at non-native res, things could look ugly
21:48<jordan>but qq_: xrandr |grep Screen doesnt print anything
21:48<marvin_>:/
21:48<qq_>hmm
21:48<jordan>amphi: makes sense, but the native resolution of my lcd screen IS 1440*900
21:49<jordan>marvin_, there is nowhere int the nvidia-settings thats tells me my resolution
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21:50<qq_>jordan: apt-get install libxrandr2
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21:50<jordan>if anyone wants ssh acess to my box, i can set it up
21:50<amphi>jordan: not wise ;)
21:51<marvin_>in nvidia-settings, second entry in list "X Server Display Configuration"
21:51<jordan>don<t care, there is nothing on it nor on my lan
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21:51<marvin_>or third "X Screen 0"
21:52<jordan>qq, it was already installed
21:52<qq_>re do xrandr
21:53<jordan>qq not working
21:53<qq_>here is so
21:53<qq_>Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1280 x 800
21:53<jordan>marvin_, it doesn<t seem to be here! ???
21:54<marvin_>do xrandr|grep minimum
21:54<Helel>uuh so you're talkin' about xorg
21:54<Helel>when this problem will be resolved
21:54<Helel>I'll showing mine ;)
21:55<qq_>no, about nvidia shit ...
21:55<qq_>Helel: ^^^
21:56<marvin_>jordan: have you tried: xrandr|grep minimum ?
21:56<jordan>marvin_: here is a screenshot of my nvidia-settings jordanroy.com/sc2.jpg
21:57<Helel>my problem is about via S3 unichrome
21:57<Helel>i installed openchrome
21:57<dick22>jordan: try this in you xorg.conf http://rafb.net/p/CYfXJ675.html
21:57<jordan>marvin_: not working
21:57<Helel>and official "via" driver
21:57<Helel>but the rendering
21:57<MotoHoss>In a 'debian default kernel image' configuration file located in /boot does not list an option is it safe to say that that the kernel does not have that option available/compiled in at all? 2.6.24-1-amd64
21:57<Helel>is absent :)
21:58-!-oobe [~oobe@220-244-162-235.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #debian
21:58<Helel>soooo i cannot play with tux race
21:58<Helel>and this make me so sad
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21:59<marvin_>jordan: what driver version is that?
22:00<jordan>1.0-8776
22:00<marvin_>eeer... i have 173.14.09
22:01<marvin_>what kind of version mumbering is that?
22:01<jordan>lol
22:01<jordan>dont know lol
22:01<jordan>i just have the stable repos of debian
22:01<dick22>i have 173.14.05
22:01<marvin_>oh... right... mine is from sid
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22:02<jordan>im trying dick22 suggestion for xorg.conf, and I am back
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22:04<jordan>seems to be working now, with this xorg.conf http://rafb.net/p/iYj4pr72.html
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22:05<jordan>brb, need to evacuate some pepsi
22:05<dick22>k ;)
22:06<marvin_>glad you sorted that out ^^
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22:07<jordan>glad too! thank guys!
22:08<qq_>Version: 1.0-8776 Linux IA32 Release Date: October 19, 2006
22:08<dick22>np ;)
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22:08<jordan>but, thig is, it doesnt explain what hapened tho
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22:08<matt__>lookin for some help - tryin to apt vlc media player, it is failing on dependencies including libtar [UNAVAILABLE] amongst others
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22:09<dick22><matt__> eth??
22:09<MotoHoss>specifically : CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH_CACHED
22:09<jordan>matt__, maybe you don<t have all the repositories you need^
22:10<matt__>how do i resolve it?
22:10<marvin_>vlc is broken in lenny (and sid) if not fixed lately
22:10<matt__>im in etch
22:11<qq_>apt-get update ?
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22:11<jordan>what does your source,list looks like^
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22:12<matt__>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20080217-11:31]/ etch contrib main
22:13<matt__>deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
22:13<matt__>w8...
22:13<matt__>cdrom???
22:13<jordan>matt__: how does you source.list look like^
22:13<matt__>DUH!
22:13<dick22>matt_: rtfm http://debian-multimedia.org/
22:13<matt__>i kno, i only just noticed!
22:13<matt__>lol sry
22:14<jordan>matt__, you could also add non-free
22:14<qq_> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/ etch main
22:14<qq_>add this too
22:14<jordan>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/ etch main non-free
22:14<qq_>sorry >>> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main
22:15<matt__>whats the non-free?
22:15<jordan>oups lol
22:15<jordan>its where you can get non gpl stuff like flashplugin-nonfree
22:16<dick22>my sources.list (lenny) http://rafb.net/p/4U6ai119.html
22:16<jordan>mine looks like this
22:17<jordan>deb http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ etch main non-free contrib
22:17<jordan>deb-src http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ etch main non-free contrib
22:17<jordan>deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free
22:17<jordan>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free
22:17<jordan>deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib
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22:17<jordan>ohhh boy that was lame... lol feels like a noob
22:18<scatterp>wine complains it wants opengl what would the package for it be
22:18<dick22><jordan> owned :)
22:18<jordan>sorry guys lololol
22:18<dick22><scatterp> why not with apt-get wine ?
22:19<jordan>dick22, thats why you use that website lol
22:19<scatterp>dick22, i have wine
22:19<scatterp>dick22, i dont have opengl..
22:19<jordan>scatterp, have you tried to install opengl from inside wine^
22:20<dick22>scatterp: sorry - i use for win$ virtualbox
22:20<jordan>the .exe software
22:20<scatterp>jordan its not looking for it internaly
22:20<scatterp>its looking for it externaly
22:20<scatterp>many packages require opengl
22:20<scatterp>for example foobillard
22:21<scatterp>i just need to know how to install it
22:21<dick22>re <jordan> dick22, thats why you use that website lol ---- google.com ?
22:22<dick22>re <jordan> dick22, thats why you use that website lol ---- or u mean sources.list?
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22:22<jordan>#
22:22<jordan>If your system doesnt already have glext.h, then you will need to get it before compiling WINE. I have made a copy available here, download it and put it in "/usr/X11R6/include/GL/". WINE will not compile with OpenGL support without this file.
22:22<jordan>#
22:22<jordan>Now to compile, first configure wine. Go into /usr/src/wine and:
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22:23<dick22>omg
22:23<path>haha
22:24<amphi>scatterp: you're on testing?
22:24<scatterp>no
22:24<scatterp>stable
22:25<path>if I put 'stable' instead of etch, is the same thing ?
22:25<amphi>it is at the moment
22:25<amphi>but it won't be when lenny becomes stable
22:26<path>so I should avoid '*stable´ and always write the codename right?
22:26<matt__>nice 1 vlc installed
22:27<matt__>thx guys, cant believe i forgot to rewrite sources
22:27<dick22>you welcome
22:27<amphi>yes, then you won't have curiosities occuring after the next stable release
22:27<path>:)
22:27<path>read about lenny current goals it sounds interesting
22:28<marvin_>link?
22:28<path>was playing around with dash but now it seems to be official
22:28<path>marvin_, marsbiker,
22:28<path>argh
22:28<path>marvin_, http://release.debian.org/
22:28<dick22>has anybody experience with linux+blueray-dvd???
22:29<path>http://release.debian.org/lenny/goals.txt thats the link marvin_
22:29<scatterp>so can any one tell me the opengl package for debian ?
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22:30<dick22>scatterp> http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/231.html
22:31<scatterp>thx
22:31<scatterp>reading
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23:13<matt__>hey guys linux noob need some help
23:14<matt__>i have to use ndiswrapper to load my realtek wireless card
23:14<matt__>but if i reboot, i lose the connction
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23:14<matt__>and i have to modprobe ndiswrapper to get it back
23:15<matt__>how can i make this persistant?
23:15<gsimmons>matt__: Add "ndiswrapper" to /etc/modules.
23:16<matt__>that a file or folder? cos neither exist
23:16<matt__>w8 scratch that
23:16<matt__>found it
23:17<matt__>and i just write ndiswrapper
23:17<matt__>?
23:17<matt__>no "modprobe"?
23:17<gsimmons>matt__: Only the name of the module is required.
23:18<matt__>ok, second part of the question: how soon during boot will this kick in? ideally, it would kick in before my dhcp and other wireless settings do
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23:21<matt__>guess i can test that tho. finally, i have an ethernet connection also on this laptop, but i cant have it persistently disabled (it is reenabled after reboot). this stops my browser from using wlan0. can i either change the priority of connections, or stop eth0 from activating?
23:22<gsimmons>matt__: The module will be loaded prior to interfaces within /etc/network/interfaces being raised (if configured to do so).
23:22<gsimmons>matt__: man interfaces
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23:24<matt__>and on disabling eth0 permanently?
23:24<not4u>so i ran a nmap scan on my system to see what it said. i got the same ports open with my firewall up as when i have my firewall disabled. what kind of extra security is my firewall providing for me?
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23:28<matt__>interfaces contains no entries for an eth0
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23:28<RIVE>HI, good evening.
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23:32<Steven-M>does umask 027 == all rights for user, read and execute for group and no rights for other?
23:32<Steven-M>hi all
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23:44<RIVE>Se actualizó xorg en Lenny, reinicio las X y segfuramente tendré que volver a configurar el driver de Nvidia, ahorita regreso.
23:45<qq_>!tell RIVE es
23:45<kuber>Hi ya'll. I nmapped one of my machines here to find it was listening on port 9999... I did a netstat -lp on the machine and indeed it's listening, but netstat gave no PID/Program name. I tried a lsof -i tcp:9999 but got nothing :/
23:45<kuber>Any tips on where to go from here to figure out what the heck is listening?
23:46<RIVE>Sorry, worng window.
23:46<RIVE>wrong.
23:56<stevecotton>kuber - did you run netstat and lsof as root?
23:56<kuber>yep
23:57<kuber>gaaaah i found it
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