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00:36<univx>somebody know about DCC conections on debian
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00:55<NCommander>My new laptop has a seriously weird/neat feature that decides if I need a closed driver, or an open one o_o;
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02:11<Zoup>will apt-get upgrade -y overwrites my config files with maintainer version ?
02:11<Helel>if you specify -y
02:11<Helel>yes, it does
02:12<Zoup>so its kind of dangerous for automatic server upgrades , isnt it ?
02:12<Helel>sure ;)
02:12<Zoup>any better idea ? :)
02:12<Helel>aptitude upgrade
02:12<Zoup>alone ? without any switch ?
02:12<Helel>sure
02:12<Zoup>is that can be run over cron ?
02:13<Helel>it does all without problems
02:13<Helel>of course
02:13<Helel>you can run everything with your crontab :)
02:13<Nemoder>still a good idea to backup important custom config files
02:13<Zoup>and config files will remain untoched and fully functional for unattended systems ? ;)
02:14<Helel>eheh aptitude doesn't touch too much configs ...but
02:14<Helel>like Nemoder said
02:14<Helel>it's a good idea make a backup
02:14<Helel>of most important files :)
02:15<Zoup>eys sure , i dont want the Outage of Overwritting config files , there are backups
02:15<Zoup>you see , im maintainer of 250 squid installation , i want to put apt-get update , aptitude upgrade on cron
02:15<Helel>use also aptitude update
02:16<Zoup>i dont want to wake up and see that every squid.conf reverted to default , i need 250 restores in few secs if i want to live :)
02:16<Helel>but this is a good idea only if u r using stable security updates
02:16<Helel>'cause in sid or lenny the security updates aren't much looked
02:16<Helel>ahhh but you don't have any kind of problems like this
02:17<Zoup>ohum ... can i force to just update and ugprade on specific source list ? ( security list ? )
02:17<Helel>the config of principal daemons still unalterate
02:17<Zoup>haa . nice policy
02:17<Helel>yes, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list :)
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02:18<Zoup>hehe , i want to keep non-security 'updates' and do security 'upgrades'
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02:18<Helel>are you using stable ?
02:18<Zoup>Unfortunately no
02:20<Helel>;D
02:21<Helel>security updates in testing or unstable are useless
02:21<Zoup>better than nothing , arent they ? :)
02:22<Zoup>Helel thank you for your help , i really need to know that stuff
02:22<Helel>for sure they are :)
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02:22<Helel>don't worry about that :)
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02:23<Zoup>but another Dark area in my mind is that , if i aptitude hold linux-image , aptitude update , aptitude upgrade . no new kernel issue , right ?
02:23<xrcode>lol
02:23<Helel>you've got my blood, don't you ? :) My origins are iranian too ...
02:23<Helel>ahahah aptitude, by default
02:23<Helel>and apt in general cases
02:23<Zoup>Helel: Yes :)
02:23<Helel>doesn't upgrade kernel image
02:24<Helel>without dist-upgrade
02:24<Zoup>nice!
02:24<xrcode><--in the middle of dist-upgrade
02:24<xrcode>lol
02:24<Helel>debian still astonishing through years :D
02:25<Zoup>indeed
02:25<Helel>i think that linux is not just vanilla
02:25<Helel>but linux is also debian :p
02:25<Zoup>haaha! :)
02:25<Zoup>i wish some of you guys were on #debian at freenode
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02:26<Helel>I will be here soon :)
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02:32<k-man>how can i install from a usb drive as oppose to a cdrom iso?
02:33<gsimmons>!tell k-man -about usb install
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02:33<k-man>thanks gsimmons
02:33<Zoup>Helel: you see , aptitude safe-upgrade asks for "Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]" , i wonder if it just happen in interactive situation , is this useable on cron ?
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02:35<Helel>yes, sure
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02:35<Helel>just do aptitude --help
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02:39<Zoup>Helel: and aptitude -y is not dangerous ;)
02:40<Helel>if u do safe-upgrade
02:40<Helel>no :D
02:40<Zoup>Helel: :D thanks!
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02:44<Helel>de nada :D
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04:13<trebol6>hi all
04:13<trebol6>can anyone giveme one some names of local user grups of free software in english speaking countries please?
04:13<trebol6>or linux user grups
04:14<trebol6>LUGs
04:14<valdyn>trebol6: google?
04:14<trebol6>i tried
04:14<trebol6>http://www.google.com/search?hl=es&lr=&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.debian:es-ES:unofficial&q=%22local+user+group%22+kde&start=10&sa=N
04:14<valdyn>trebol6: http://www.linux.de/groups/
04:14<trebol6>tx
04:14<valdyn>trebol6: but thats just a gazillion german lugs
04:14<trebol6>german places?
04:15<trebol6>is it there anyone for english lugs?
04:15<trebol6>but thanks, ill use that in the german version of the concept map of free software
04:16<valdyn>http://www.linux.org/groups/
04:16<valdyn>your google foo needs serious upgrading
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04:16<trebol6>do u know the most famous LUGs in german ?
04:17<trebol6>i was looking for local user grups, not just por linux user grups
04:17<valdyn>CCC is famous, but its not a lug exactly
04:17<trebol6>but that runs too
04:17<trebol6>yes, i know ccc i have been in 23c3
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04:25<trebol6>i can find a lot of lugs, my problem is to select some that are the most representative. i have selected one from england, one from usa, and one from australia
04:25<trebol6>do you know some representative free software blogs?
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04:25<trebol6>in english
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04:26<trebol6>i know slashdot but i dont think its a free software blog
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04:26<trebol6>i look for something specific for promote FS in english
04:27<akaladis>i have all my linux related news on igoogle.... not blogs per se, but you might want to look at LXer, LinuxInsider, Phoronix maybe?
04:27<trebol6>thx, ill check
04:28<akaladis>or Madpenguin.org?
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04:43<trebol6>any famous mail list? i have put one from debian
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04:44<fairway>hi all
04:44<fairway>what is the command to config debian network?
04:45<fairway>in a new installatino when skipped network settings?
04:45<StarFire>fairway: Don't know. Always edited /etc/network/interfaces directly...
04:46<cahoot>!interfaces
04:46<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route>
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04:48<fairway>how to install java?
04:48<cahoot>!java
04:48<dpkg>rumour has it, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>.
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04:49<cahoot>fairway: try /msp dpkg install java
04:49<fairway>!install java
04:49<dpkg>Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>.
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04:50<kop>What's the debian way to start X as a thin-client, to connect directly to a xdmcp server in the fashion of: X -query foo.bar.com
04:51<Staale>Is there a tool for setting up a user jail in debian?
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04:54<fairway>how can u make ur debian filesystem-corrupt proof for random switch offs? such as in hard-environments?
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04:54<fairway>for embedded systems
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04:57<fairway> ? /msg dpkg install jdk
04:57<fairway>doesnt work
04:57<fairway>i want jdk
04:57<fairway>not jaa
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05:06<Nemoder>fairway: apt-cache search jdk
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05:06<Nemoder>that's an interesting question about filesystems, perhaps it would take a modified kernel to do it
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05:09<Nemoder>and even then if the power is cut during a write there's no way to completely prevent corruption, probably better to focus on cleanup
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05:17<philsf>does any know the difference between -v and -hh in rsync? they seem to provide the same result
05:21<Helel>y0 l4m0r
05:21<Helel>-v doesn't exist
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05:21<Helel>so it put the extended help
05:22<philsf>Helel: -v is verbose
05:22<philsf>Helel: rsync -avz
05:22<Nemoder>the manual says -h is for human readable numbers
05:22<philsf>most cited usage example
05:23<philsf>Nemoder: yeah, but what's the difference?
05:23<philsf>verbose already gives human readable numbers
05:23<Helel>uh you're right :)
05:23<Helel>i've seen now
05:23<Helel>the man pages
05:23<Helel>but, like them respond to me
05:23<Helel>they can also do it unto you
05:23<Helel>man :D
05:24<philsf>Helel: it was the first thing I did
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05:24<philsf>did you understand my question? :)
05:25<Nemoder>human readable means for example instead of printing 5223482 bytes it would print 5.22M
05:26<philsf>Nemoder: yes, that's similar to du and df. Am I correct to assume hh is equal to v?
05:26<Nemoder>-v just prints the full byte count
05:26*philsf scratches his head
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05:27<philsf>Nemoder: you're right, it prints the *speed* in human readable, not the data size...
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05:28<philsf>I mean, -v prints only the speed in this format, -hh prints both the speed and data size
05:28<Nemoder>well you can combine them -vh
05:29<philsf>Nemoder: which is exactly -hh (which triggered my question :) )
05:29<philsf>-h only is shorter, and I didn't notice the diff between -v and -hh. Now I do, thanks
05:29<Nemoder>hh by itself does nothing when i use it
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05:29<Nemoder>heh ok
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06:25<sterling2>hello
06:25<sterling2>what is the difference between the command "su" and "sudo"?
06:26<Torsten_W>man su
06:26<Torsten_W>man sudo
06:26<Torsten_W>find it out
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06:30<sterling2>I did that
06:30<sterling2>but didn't realize a difference
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07:09<soleil>how do i change the keymap for X?
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07:21<sybe>How can i change graphical shell nautilus change under etch?
07:22<fxiny>soleil: dpkg-reconfigure console-data
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07:23<twb>Hey, what are those qt/gtk utilities for querying the debian bts?
07:23<twb>I can't find them in aptitude, possibly because I only have lenny in my source.list at the moment (not sid nor experimental).
07:23<fxiny>!keymap
07:23<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
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07:46<BestPig>Salut a tous
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07:52<soleil>thanks fxiny
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07:57<kurumin>bom dia
07:58<kurumin>preciso de ajuda urgente
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07:58<kurumin>alguem pode me ajudar
07:58<kurumin>preciso redirecionar o ping da placa eth0 para eth1
07:59<kurumin>kd os feras em redes dessa sala??
07:59<cahoot>!pt
07:59<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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08:33<koheleth>!ati
08:33<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx> and <radeon>.
08:33<koheleth>!fglrx
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08:33<dpkg>fglrx is probably "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary See also <radeon>.
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08:36<twb>!radeonhd
08:36<dpkg>methinks radeonhd is the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets (http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' in <testing>. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <radeon>, <fglrx>.
08:37<twb>That should be mentioned, since IIUC it basically replaces the filthy non-Free fglrx driver
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08:38<sterling2_>installing Krusader on Debian 4.0rc3 doesn't work
08:39<koheleth>I just installed Debian, need to get my ati hd0400 card working
08:39<sterling2_>Synaptic Packager Manager is denieng it
08:39<koheleth>hd2400
08:39<sterling2_>output: kdelibs4:
08:39<sterling2_> Depends: kdelibs-bin (= 4:3.3.2-6.4)
08:40<koheleth>!radeon
08:40<dpkg>[radeon] A brand of graphics processing units by ATI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon, http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon. For chipsets prior to R500 (ie. models up to and including the X1050), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (all models, usually better 3D performance/features). See also <radeonhd>.
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08:44<xemet>hi
08:44<xemet>I'm new here
08:44<xemet>need some help...
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08:45<twb>!tell xemet -about ask
08:45<xemet>I've installed debian for my first time in a IBM thinkpad X40
08:46<xemet>I'm not very expert everything seems to work
08:46<xemet>except for wifi
08:46<phogg>good?
08:46<xemet>I've installed it
08:46<xemet>the problem is: it works if I disable WEP from router
08:46<xemet>if I enable WEP key, it doesn't connect
08:47<twb>xemet: that would be because you have to enable WEP on *both* ends.
08:47<xemet>ok, I've used gnome network manager
08:47<twb>xemet: however, I should point out that WEP is insecure even by the paltry standards of 802.11.
08:47<xemet>I put the key, but nothing happens
08:47<twb>If you hardware supports it, I advise you to use WPA2 or WPA.
08:47<avu>yeah, using WEP or not using WEP doesn't really make any difference, security-wise
08:47<xemet>wep is ok in my case
08:48<xemet>just to keep away neighbors
08:48<twb>xemet: it won't do that
08:48<twb>If encryption was shielding for starships, WEP is a new coat of paint.
08:48<cahoot>depends on the neighbours?
08:48<twb>It basically gives no protection at all
08:48<xemet>it do it, my cousin was connecting using my wireless connection now it doesn't...
08:49<xemet>this is just what I need
08:49<avu>well, he could invest 5 minutes and he'd be using your wireless connection again
08:49<xemet>he will not
08:49<xemet>however
08:50<xemet>I'm not interested in it...I would like to get it working
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08:50<cahoot>no info from the router why it doesn't like yor key?
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08:50<xemet>I don't know if I can get this kind of info...
08:51<xemet>it is a netgear home router
08:51<xemet>nothing professional
08:51<twb>cahoot: I'd look at his wpasupplicant logs, but then again GNOME is probably using NetworkManager, which will piss all over everything
08:51<twb>Presumably xemet isn't running OpenWRT or dWRT on his router, so he has sod-all access to the underlying gnu/linux log files on the router.
08:52<xemet>sorry, I have to go now, I undesrtand that problem is more complex than I thought, so I will return later when I've more time
08:52<xemet>thank you very much
08:53<Runner85sx>xemet: you can use "ceni"
08:53<xemet>I will look for it
08:53<xemet>thanks
08:54<xemet>byee
08:54<Runner85sx>bye xemet
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08:55<koheleth>!lenny
08:55<dpkg>i guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>.
08:56<koheleth>how do I install the non free repos?
08:56<twb>!tell koheleth about sources.list
08:56<koheleth>thanks
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08:57<twb>!tell koheleth about non-free sources
08:57<twb>The second one directly addresses your question.
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09:02<koheleth>does that include adding non-free to the update lines?
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09:03<sterling2>hey avu, maybe we can continue our lesson from last day
09:04<koheleth>:) it works, thanks again
09:04<sterling2>I want to change to Krusader file browser, but can't get it working
09:04<sterling2>the reason is probably a conflict with KDE3
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09:04<sterling2>can you help me to fix this problem?
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09:08<avu>sterling2, I don't use KDE. But paste the error you get (using a pastebin site) and we will see
09:08<avu>sterling2, also, don't send private messages to poeple without asking, it's considered rude
09:09<snogglethorpe>avu: is it? I've never seen anyone ask, but I've gotten lots of private messages....
09:10<sterling2>oh sorry avu, I won't do that again
09:10<avu>snogglethorpe, here it is, yes. see the topic
09:11<sterling2>have I to ask on the main channel
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09:12<sterling2>if I mark it for installation, I shows me several dependencies, but quits with following output:
09:13<sterling2>krusader:
09:13<sterling2> Depends: kdelibs4 but it is not going to be installed
09:14<avu>try installing kdelibs4 to see why it can't be installed
09:14<fxiny>kdelibs4 ? what debian version are you running ?
09:15<fxiny>or you just mixing up sources ?
09:15<sterling2>I am runing debian4.0rc3
09:15<sterling2>etch release
09:15<sterling2>don't know what you mean saying mixing up sources
09:15<fxiny>so krusader can be installed no porbs
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09:16<sterling2>on installing kdelibs4 I get the same error message
09:16<avu>sterling2, do you have any testing/lenny/sid lines in your sources.list?
09:16<koheleth>if I install the non free ati drivers should I uninstall the xserver xorg one?
09:16<sterling2>I will post it, please wait a moment
09:16<avu>koheleth, no need to
09:16<koheleth>ok, thanks
09:16<fxiny>kde4 is on experimental afaik
09:16<avu>fxiny, kdelibs4 is not kde4
09:17<fxiny>no ?
09:17<sterling2>!paster
09:17<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
09:17<fxiny>wt4x ! checking
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09:17<avu>fxiny, Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.9)
09:17<avu>fxiny, that's from the Depends of krusader in lenny
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09:17<fxiny>avu: oh yes . booting a kde box
09:18<fxiny>lenny ? he said etch
09:18<avu>yeah, and I am running lenny..
09:18<avu>it was just about showing you that kdelibs4 is kde 3
09:18<fxiny>avu: i know :)
09:18<fxiny>i meant you run lenny :)
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09:19<fxiny>right : apt-cache policy krusader > Installed: 1.70.1-1
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09:20<sterling2>hey, I used a pastebin, but I cannot see it on the channel
09:20<fxiny>avu: yes : kdelibs4c2a > Installed: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch1
09:20<avu>sterling2, you have to give us the url to the paste :)
09:20<fxiny>4 is 3 : math is an opinion :P
09:20<avu>8)
09:21<sterling2>take this: http://paste.debian.net/9420/
09:21<fxiny>sarge !
09:22<sterling2>as someone (avu?) told me yestersay, sid is the unstable release of debian
09:22<fxiny>sterling2: you !
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09:22<avu>yes, sid is unstable
09:22<sterling2>what is lenny?
09:22<fxiny>avu: he's fishing sarge >> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main
09:23<avu>but why on earth do you have sarge in your sources.list? :)
09:23<avu>yeah :)
09:23<sterling2>dunno
09:23<avu>sterling2, lenny is testing, it's bound to become the new stable later this year
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09:23<sterling2>on installing debian it, it was in my sources.list
09:23<sterling2>I promise, I have never changed it
09:24<sterling2>okay, maybe I write a # in front of sarge?
09:24<fxiny>no ? who the hell added etch-wx ?
09:24<sterling2>I myself
09:24<avu>sterling2, http://paste.debian.net/9421/
09:24<avu>sterling2, use this as your new sources.list
09:24<fxiny>promises ...
09:24<avu>sterling2, (if you don't really need etch-wx, take that out too)
09:25<avu>sterling2, after you installed this new sources.list (back up the old one of course), run aptitude update as root
09:25<avu>sterling2, then you probably want to run aptitude full-upgrade :)
09:25<fxiny>sterling2: i bet you are having a hard time . when did you install ?
09:25<sterling2>oh I need it
09:26<fxiny>avu: sarge2etch can be hard
09:26<sterling2>oh no
09:26<avu>fxiny, well, I'm hoping he doesn't really have sarge installed
09:26<fxiny>sterling2: just started ?
09:26<avu>fxiny, he may just have fscked up his sources.list
09:26<sterling2>how to find out, what version I am running?
09:26<fxiny>avu: why not ? sources are sarge's
09:26<avu>sterling2, cat /etc/debian_version
09:26<sterling2>no, not really
09:27<fxiny>avu: he can't install krusader
09:27<fxiny>i hate mixed up
09:27<sterling2>4.0
09:27<avu>see, I was right :)
09:27<sterling2>as I told you, I am running 4.0
09:27<avu>sterling2, now do what I said
09:27<fxiny>yes
09:27<sterling2>one moment
09:27<sterling2>you both confuse me
09:28<fxiny>sterling2: follow avu advice
09:28<avu>sterling2, install my new sources.list, backing up the old one, then aptitude update, then aptitude full-upgrade
09:28<sterling2>let me read first and wait a moment
09:28<sterling2>okay
09:30<fxiny>avu: so if he changed it just after install nothing can be wrong : a ton of packages to ugrade only , we'll see
09:31<fxiny>unless he downgraded some a la "as you requested" :P
09:32<sterling2>okay, it's still working
09:32<avu>fxiny, indeed
09:32<sterling2>why did you killed my DVD-src?
09:33<avu>just habbit I guess. Do you have a slow internet connection?
09:33<sterling2>no, DSL
09:33<sterling2>it takes a moment
09:34<avu>then that's OK, you won't have to insert the DVD all the time when installing packages. It doesn't contain nearly all anyway
09:36<sterling2>full-upgrade is not an option for my aptitude
09:37<avu>ah, dist-upgrade then
09:37<sterling2>"It doesn't contain nearly all anyway" => what do you mean, yes it's better leaving it, but aren't most packages on this DVD?
09:37<avu>no, only a fraction of them are
09:37<sterling2>yes, this works
09:38<Gathond>sterling2: iirc debian is 3 DVD's at the moment
09:38<avu>main is
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09:38<sterling2>"deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free" are these the available package I can fetch on debian.org => packages
09:39<sterling2>what is iirc?
09:39<avu>if i remember correctly
09:39<sterling2>and what you mean with "main is"
09:39<avu>'main is 3 DVDs'
09:39<Laeborg>when I downloading from my ftp i only get around 50kB/s per file. When I download via http I also only get around 50kB/s
09:39<Laeborg>what is wrong?
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09:40<sterling2>okay, everything is done avu
09:40<avu>Laeborg, when you say 'from my ftp', do you mean from 127.0.0.1?
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09:40<Laeborg>no from my server
09:40<Laeborg>not LAN
09:40<avu>sterling2, ok, now try installing krusader again
09:40<sterling2>okay
09:40<avu>Laeborg, well, then this might just be the speed of the network connection between the two machines?
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09:41<Laeborg>well the server is 100mbit (around 11mB/s) and my connection is 10mbit (around 1.1mB/s)
09:41<sterling2>great!
09:41<sterling2>it works!
09:41<avu>Laeborg, are you sure the server provider does not do any shaping?
09:41<sterling2>thank you
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09:42<Laeborg>avu: well if i download/upload via Azuerus on the server I get full speed
09:42<sterling2>ehh, what type of command you type, to write a message to me, i.e. <username>: <message>
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09:42<avu>Laeborg, well, either end could do shaping.
09:43<avu>sterling2, I just type the first few chars of your nick then press TAB
09:43<avu>sterling2, (though my client add ',', not ':')
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09:45<sterling2>oh, fxiny's client makes a ":" but yours one has a ","
09:45<avu>indeed
09:45<sterling2>I am currently using chatzilla
09:45<sterling2>are you kidding? :)
09:46<avu>huh?
09:46<sterling2>what huh?
09:46<avu>I just confirmed that my client uses ',' where fxiny's uses ':'
09:46<sterling2>chatzilla is using a ":"
09:47<enouf>fxiny: ? he's here? where's my porb!? :-p
09:47<fxiny>enouf: yeahhhh i'm here :)
09:47<enouf>bloatzilla
09:47<koheleth>I have installed the ati catalyst drivers from the ati site and now I have my resolution of 1440x900 which is great but I have this rippling/wave effect when I view websites etc, any ideas? Also how do I activate 3d?
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09:47<enouf>fxiny: there ya go! :-)
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09:47<sterling2>avu: can you recommend an IRC client?
09:47<koheleth>savirc is great
09:48<avu>sterling2, well, I use and like irssi.
09:48<fxiny>enouf: first tree-climbing attempt failed ....
09:48<eseom>Hard disk temperature is going up over 45 celcius
09:48<sterling2>okay, writing it down
09:48<eseom>what can i do ?
09:48<avu>eseom, install a fan? :)
09:48<eseom>yes
09:48<koheleth>put an icecube on the cpu
09:48<enouf>fxiny: O_o .. nobody hurt though right?
09:48<eseom>my laptop in windows maintain hard disk by 36
09:48<sterling2>avu: aptitude and apt-get are the same application, aren't they?
09:48<avu>sterling2, no
09:49<sterling2>no?
09:49<avu>!tell sterling2 about why aptitude
09:49<enouf>fxiny: should we move over to the OT channel?
09:49<fxiny>enouf: yes :)
09:49<eseom>my laptop burns my left wrest
09:50<eseom>in Windows, hard temp is 36 by average
09:51<eseom>in Debian, going up over 45
09:51<eseom>always
09:51<eseom>I dont know what can i do
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09:51<avu>eseom, do you have laptop_mode enabled?
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09:52<eseom>yes
09:52<eseom>laptop mode
09:52<eseom># laptop_mode status
09:52<eseom>Drive power status:
09:52<eseom>
09:52<eseom> /dev/hda:
09:52<eseom> drive state is: standby
09:52<eseom>
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09:53<sterling2>avu: I asked you several questions before, first one, what does iirc meant, when talking about the 3dvds?
09:53<avu>sterling2, I already answered that
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09:53<avu>15:39 < avu> if i remember correctly
09:53<uskusi>I've been kicked
09:53<uskusi>i am in laptop mode
09:53<noflash> !paster
09:53<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
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09:55<koheleth>looks like I have to go back to ubuntu
09:55<sterling2>avu: sorry, I didn't know what iirc meant, net slang. :) okay, 3 DVDs with main packages (no contrib, no non-free)?
09:55<avu>sterling2, yes
09:55<uskusi>"/proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode" is 0, is not laptop_mode?
09:55<sterling2>avu: I like you, you are a living dictionary for me, :)
09:55<avu>uskusi, that should be 1 for laptop_mode to be enabled
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09:56<uskusi>is possible the way "echo 1 > ~~"
09:56<avu>sterling2, be sure to buy me a beer if you're ever in germany ;)
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09:57<uskusi>oh yes /dev/sda states turns in standby
09:57<avu>uskusi, yes, as root, you can just write a 1 into that file by whatever means you like
09:57<sterling2>avu: the new line in my sources.list "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free" => is this for all the packages, I can find on www.debian.org => packages?
09:58<uskusi>yes yes i did that, so /dev/sda enter to stanby
09:58<avu>sterling2, not sure what you mean by that
09:58<uskusi>temperature will go down?
09:58<twb>sterling2: that depends on what kind of mirror is at http.us.debian.org. Since it's (probably) a primary mirror, it should carry all packages on the canonical ftp.debian.org
09:59<avu>sterling2, btw, you are in the states, right? otherwise you should probably use a different mirror
09:59<twb>sterling2: you may also wish to enable the backports.org repository.
09:59<sterling2>ah ...
09:59<uskusi>oh my thanks
09:59<sterling2>no, I am not from the states
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09:59<uskusi>temp is going down now
09:59<avu>sterling2, in what country are you in?
09:59<uskusi>i'm crazy
09:59<sterling2>I will come over to avu and drink some beer with him
09:59<uskusi>Thanks thanks
09:59<sterling2>guess :)
10:00<sterling2>avu: you know Jena?
10:00<avu>ah, t-online :)
10:00<sterling2>genau
10:00<avu>sterling2, use ftp.de.debian.org then, not ftp.us.debian.org
10:00<twb>Genoa?
10:00<sterling2>very similar, two equal letters at the beginning
10:00<sterling2>Jena is in Germany
10:01<twb>sterling2: oh, then use .de as avu says.
10:01<sterling2>twb: I will do so
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10:01<twb>sterling2: sometimes your ISP will also have a tertiary mirror
10:01<avu>sterling2, that's not even very far from my new home in dresden
10:01<avu>twb, his doesn't :(
10:01<twb>I picked my ISP because I knew they had an unmetered Debian mirror.
10:01<avu>twb, (biggest ISP in germany so I know)
10:01<sterling2>what about the backports.org repository
10:01<twb>avu: okey dokey
10:02<demo>hi all
10:02<avu>sterling2, just have a look at http://backports.org
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10:02<avu>sterling2, it explains both what backports.org is and how to add the repository to your sources.list
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10:03<sterling2>avu: are you from saxonia?
10:03<avu>sterling2, I just moved there because of a job a few months back
10:04<avu>sterling2, but if you want to continue this, join #debian-offtopic ;)
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10:08<marvin>iw3 just crashed :/
10:09<twb>marvin: isn't that feature built-in?
10:10<sterling2>avu: okay, now I would like to know: changing and deleting the sarge line in my sources.list, updating my package manager helped to resolve my problem?
10:10<avu>sterling2, yes
10:11<avu>sterling2, you had repositories from two different debian relases in your sources.list
10:11<sterling2>great, that it didn't crash
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10:13<sterling2>avu: aptitude dist-upgrade => why was this necessary?
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10:14<avu>sterling2, to upgrade any packages you might have installed from the sarge repository to the etch versions
10:14<sterling2>avu: in software properties I checked auto-updates
10:14<sterling2>isn't this the same function?
10:14<avu>I have no idea what you mean by 'software properties'
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10:15<avu>probably some GUI package manager? like synaptic or adept?
10:15<sterling2>avu: Desktop -> Administration -> Software Properties - should be in every Debian4rc3 version the same?
10:16<avu>sterling2, no, that's specific to the desktop environment you have installed
10:16<sterling2>avu: it's a gui to configure the sources.list and auto-update, etc.
10:16<avu>sterling2, debian comes with many different desktop environments
10:16<pumpkin0>sterling2: were are 3 stock and about 20 non-stock desktops in debian. which one are you talking about?
10:16<avu>sterling2, and I have never used any GUI tool to do my package management
10:16<sterling2>avu: oh no, seems I have to learn still so many thanks - however, I have installed gnome (standard?)
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10:17<sterling2>avu: okay
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10:18<twb>sterling2: many people here don't use *any* graphical environment.
10:19<sterling2>twb: only hacking into a console is to much for me. :D
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10:20<twb>sterling2: Alt + F2 xterm RET, you have a terminal.
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10:21<fxiny>and Marillat church ...
10:21<fxiny>ops
10:22<sterling2>twb: wondered, if there nothing exists equal to MS Winows execute as
10:22<sterling2>twb: thanks, great to know
10:22<fxiny>debian-multimedia
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10:28<twb>sterling2: what's nice is that it works in XFCE, GNOME *and* KDE.
10:29<twb>Whereas the location of the terminal is different in every minor upgrade of GNOME
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10:50<petemc>twb: gnome-terminal has been called gnome-terminal for as long as i can remember
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10:51<astro>hi
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11:29<casa>Always I start Ubuntu, I have to write the password the keyring, how can I do it automatic ?
11:29<avu>!ubuntu
11:29<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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11:43<chameleon>ok iam haveing troble cd ing in to a dir
11:43<chameleon>can i get some help pls
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11:46<twb>petemc: yes, but where it's .desktop lives in the menu bar seems to change a lot
11:46<twb>*its
11:47<enouf>chameleon: no permission ? error messages please
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11:47<Stalk>Ïîìîãèòå âûáðàòü Live linux
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11:47<petemc>twb: but it will be in your path and such its as easy to type into the alt f2 box
11:47<twb>petemc: which is my point
11:47<FrostyJack>Anybody got a second to help a newbie with a problem?
11:48<twb>!tell FrostyJack about ayone
11:48<twb>!tell FrostyJack about anyone
11:48<chameleon>http://pastebin.com/d224df8af
11:48<FrostyJack>My ethernet doesn't work after install. I had to manually include the driver during install and then copy it to /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-amd64/kernel/drivers/net. It works fine during the installation but at the end the installation reboots and the ethernet doesn't work. /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs returns the line (* if-up.d/mountnfs[]: lock /var/run/network/mountnfs exist, not mounting). Any ideas?
11:49<gsimmons>chameleon: Lose the leading slash.
11:50<chameleon>ok umm how come that works
11:51<FrostyJack>From what? /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs you mean?
11:52<Stalk>Help for choose Live linux in AthlonXP1500+, 256ram, FDD, CD-RW/DVD, GF MX 64, Flash 8Gb, no HDD but Flash invisible in BIOS
11:52<chameleon>ok now how come it only shows one fil in dir when there should be a folder and a text file
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11:53<FrostyJack>Sorry guys I was in on the wrong conversation there wasn't I? Apologies.
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11:58<Stalk>Help me for choose Live linux in AthlonXP1500+, 256rar, FDD, CD-RW/DUD, GF MX 64, Flash 8Gb, no HDD but This Flash is invisible for BIOS
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12:00<enouf>gsimmons: ya know, for some reason. i like the idea of a leading '.' so ./dirpath/etc .. just because it helps me to sort out in my mind where i am, and what i'm rm'ing say ;-)
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12:04<jsmjsm>I installed MAdWifi and I'm having trouble viewing available networks.
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12:25<jimisrvrox>have a bit of a problem here..every time I log back into my linux box I have to re-size the screen with my monitor to get my right scroll bar to show up on the monitor..is there anyway that I can fix this in linux so that I dont have to keep re-sizing the horizontal width on my monitor?
12:25<Laeborg>"An error occurred while trying to open the archive"
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12:30<kop>jimisrvrox : Yes, but the only way I know how is to manually mess with xorg.conf and it's probably messy. There's probably an easier way, but I don't know what it is. I couldn't tell you how to do it offhand in xorg either.
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12:32<jimisrvrox>kop damn
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12:46<twinsen>hello
12:46<twinsen>anyone with experience in UDP packet injection?
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12:51<fairway>hi all
12:51<fairway>what is a .zp image?
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12:52<fairway>i would like to boot my current debian partition from a flash image?
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12:52<simonrvn>!ig
12:52<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing!
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13:39<knoppix__>hi is hier no jemand?
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13:39<Guest3736>hallo?
13:40<Torsten_W>elang
13:40<Torsten_W>this is an english speaking channel
13:40<Torsten_W> /j #debian.de for german support
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13:47<ozdeb>:-/
13:48<ozdeb>hi everyone, i am breaking my head for almost 4 hours, can't change gnome's language using GDM, i found other methods, but not with GDM
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14:06<kaper>where are my firewall logs?
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14:32<kaper>anyone up?
14:33<pumpkin0>no
14:34<kaper>*can anyone recommend a package that will allow me to analyze my firewall logs?
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14:39<chealer_>kaper: which firewall do you use?
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14:40<kaper>guarddog
14:40<kaper>i could use a different one
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14:43<chealer>kaper: are you sure? guarddog is described as a "firewall configuration utility"
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14:52<kaper>chealer: then i believe i'm using iptables
14:53<kaper>the subject of firewalls on linux is fairly new to me
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14:59<kaper>...
14:59<kaper>chealer?
15:00<chealer>kaper: I know iptables poorly. did you try "iptables log"? I have to go anyway
15:05<kaper>ok. is this a firewall entry? it came from my syslog file
15:05<kaper>Jul 5 12:04:33 Shelly kernel: DROPPED IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:c0:f0:56:51:54:00:0b:23:7f:64:d0:08:00 SRC=68.37.248.21 DST=69.107.48.12 LEN=131 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x20 TTL=109 ID=25783 PROTO=UDP SPT=22382 DPT=54295 LEN=111
15:06<kaper>Jul 5 12:04:34 Shelly kernel: DROPPED IN=eth0 OUT=
15:06<serega>guys, how long it takes for bugreport sent via email to be visible from the web?
15:06<avu>serega, normaly a few seconds
15:06<avu>kaper, yes
15:06<serega>doh... :(
15:06<avu>serega, but it sometimes takes considerably longer
15:07<avu>serega, so unless it has been a day or so, don't worry just yet ;)
15:07<avu>kaper, the stuff iptables logs depends on your LOG rules
15:07<kaper>ok. when i'm in the console before starting x, this floods my screen. if i log in as root "dmesg -n1" will stop this. is there any way to prevent this information from being printed to my screen permanently?
15:07<serega>avu: okay, thanks :)
15:08<avu>kaper, se /etc/sysctl.conf
15:08<avu>kaper, see /etc/sysctl.conf
15:08<avu>kaper, it already contains an entry that does it, you just have to uncomment it
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15:09<avu>kaper, (after that, use sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf to re-read the file)
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15:12<dmb>sorry about that
15:13<enouf>kaper: maybe ##networking or ##security can help you sort your messages - best to use a pastebin though for log entries
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15:14<avu>!annoy enouf
15:14<avu>:(
15:14<enouf>haha
15:14<enouf>!penixstrike avu
15:14<dpkg>A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking avu to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.
15:14<enouf>:-P
15:15<avu>more like s/x/s/?
15:15<enouf>nah, it's someone
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15:15<enouf>nah, it's someone's nick
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15:16<avu>bummer
15:16<enouf>alias sysctl='sysctl -a 2>/dev/null'
15:16<enouf>ftw
15:17<avu>no.
15:17<avu>I use the -w and -p options of sysctl.
15:17<avu>(and they can not be used together with -a, obviously)
15:18<enouf>dude, 'sysctl | grep eth0'
15:18<enouf>i want to see shit
15:19<avu>yeah, nice, I can do that, too, I just have to write -a. now tell me how do you re-read your sysctl.conf? or set a single value? :)
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15:20<enouf>avu: echo to /etc/sysctl.conf ;-)
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15:20<avu>enouf, and then you reboot to let the system re-read sysctl.conf? 8)
15:20<enouf>but yeah, one should use -w for that .. i have that set because of startup errors, maybe i'll try -e now
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15:21<enouf>nope
15:21<avu>what else, your alias makes -p unusable? :)
15:21<enouf>~$ alias sysctl='sysctl 2>/dev/null'
15:21<enouf>fixed :-P
15:21<enouf>i can always add he -a
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15:22<enouf>ahh much better ;-)
15:22<enouf>thanks for the pointers/reminders avu
15:22<enouf>i overlooked those things obviously
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15:23<enouf>i usually echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches kind of things anyways :-P
15:24<enouf>no need for -p , nor any settings - uptimes are too long :-)
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15:24<avu>and every time a machien has to reboot for whatever reasons you spend weeks reconstrucing the settings? 8)
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15:26<avu>the fact that they don't reboot often is in fact an argument *against* not making it persistent. the more time has passed since you made the change, the slimmer the chance you remember it ;)
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15:26<knoppix_>server unina.azzurra.org
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15:43<fairway>D700 is nice
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16:06<Woet>is it possible to order 'ps faux' by CPU/RAM usage?
16:06<Woet>like 'top' does
16:06<fanto666>hello, what User-Agent does IceDove send mail as?
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16:08<fanto666>Woet try --sort=mem
16:08<Woet>and CPU?
16:08<fanto666>did you try "man ps" ?
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16:09<Woet>no
16:09<fanto666>why?
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16:09<Woet>because it doesnt say anything about sorting?
16:11<fanto666>how can you know?
16:11<fanto666>I found it there
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16:12<fanto666>do /sort and search for occurences
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16:16<Woet>no matter what I do, I cant get it sorted
16:16<Woet>please just give the command to sort 'ps faux' by CPU first, RAM second.
16:18<Flakk>Hello people I have a problem with connecting two debian machines with a crossover ethernet cable. the openssh server is installed on both machines however I can not connect them . When pinging one machin\e from another I have the reply "can not connect the host" or "network is unreachable" any help?
16:19<fanto666>what IP is sshd listening on?
16:19<fanto666>oh
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16:20<fanto666>it's when pinging... are both interfaces up? do they have correct network settings? (same network, netmask, different IP)
16:20<fanto666>woet what did you try at last?
16:20<Woet>I tried 20 times
16:20<fanto666>WHAT?
16:20<Woet>with all different letters/words/digits
16:20<Woet>ps faux -O %C
16:21<Woet>ps faux --sort cpu
16:21<Woet> ps faux --sort sz
16:21<Woet>etc.etc.
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16:21<fanto666>hmm
16:21<Flakk>fanto666: yes it seems so. ifginfig -a gives the addresses and they are different. as for sshd exactly maybe here is the problem. I am not sure it is awake. How could I check it? or how could i start it?
16:22<Flakk>ifconfig
16:22<aho>Woet, --sort pcpu
16:22<Woet>doesnt sort on CPU though
16:22<Woet>still unsorted
16:23<aho>ps ux --sort pcpu works for me
16:23<fanto666>woet don't you have ps aliased to something?
16:23<Woet>aho: when I use 'ps ux --sort pcpu', it just hides certain processes
16:23<Woet>I can see them with 'ps faux' though
16:23<Woet>for some reason
16:23<Woet>ps ux --sort pcpu is only root
16:24<Woet>it seems
16:24<Woet>got it
16:24<ansgar>Woet: If you use the 'f' option, only the child processes in each group are sorted.
16:24<aho>yeah just leave out the -f option: ps aux --sort pcpu
16:24<Woet>' ps aux --sort pcpu'
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16:25<Woet>also possible to sort it the other way round?
16:25<Woet>most cpu on top
16:25<ansgar>Woet: --sort=-pcpu
16:25<Woet>ty
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16:35<mihkel>Hey. Does anybody know why Totem youtube plugin plays flash videos fine, but swfdec or gnash suck at it
16:35<mihkel>They all use ffmpeg
16:35<mihkel>so why swfdec/gnash eatt all cpu, but totem says at ~20% or less
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16:46<Woet>my server has around 60GB used
16:46<Woet>any way to find big files?
16:47<Woet>or big directories
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16:48<avu>Woet, man find
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16:49<avu>Woet, the EXAMPLES section even has something exactly like this
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16:49<avu>mihkel, totem, like youtube-dl or clive, just downloads the video file and plays it while swfdec and gnash try to execute the flash palyer itself
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16:49<avu>mihkel, something completely different..
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16:51<Flakk>Hi people I have a strange problem - can not connect two debian machines through a crossover ethernet cable. any help? openssh is installed on both
16:51<alraune>?does anyone know a good proggi for learning vocabulary ?
16:52<mihkel>avu, ok then
16:52<Woet>avu: it doesnt?
16:52<Woet>i dont see anything 'search for big directories'
16:52<avu>Flakk, do they both have an IP in the same subnet on the right NIC?
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16:52<Woet>oh i see
16:52<avu>Woet, well, it has searching for big fiels, which is what you asked for
16:52<Woet>already seen it.
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16:55<Flakk>avu : I am not quite sure I understand all the terms you are asking for. I have run the ifconfig and associated the addresses to the interfaces which differ only in the last digit
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16:56<alraune>flakk: both machines have to be configured (networkapplet,static ip)
16:56<avu>Flakk, also make sure the netmask is the same and that you are using the right interface
16:56<Flakk>now when I say ifconfig -a it gives me the wanted addresses,
16:56<Flakk>netmask is 255.255.255.0 everywhere
16:56<avu>Flakk, and as a simple test, make sure the link LEDs on both NICs are lighted up :)
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16:57<Flakk>avu Led on one of them winks on the other I do not have it it is a laptop
16:57<alraune>flakk: ping the machines...
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16:57<Flakk>alraune: exactly it does not work - host unreachable
16:58<alraune>both ways ? firewall ?
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16:58<Flakk>i m typing ping - and the green led winks
16:58<Flakk>and then no result
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16:58<marvin>flakk ping the laptop from laptop
16:58<alraune>you got to type ping ipadress
16:58<Flakk>well I never installed any firewall
16:59<Flakk>yes I type ping [address]
16:59<Flakk>and the thing says just nothing
16:59<Flakk>I am wondering if the ssh daemon is running?
16:59<alraune>Flakk: if u disconnect cable, the one led changes ?
17:00<Flakk>1 sec
17:00<Flakk>yes there is no more light
17:01<Flakk>i connect again it winks
17:01<marvin>and when you terminate ping?
17:01<alraune>hmm, both nics are found, you can connect, but not ping ..
17:01<Flakk>however "ping" said "unreachable" only without cable, and when i put the cable back it just thinks...
17:02<marvin>one of them is not configured correctly...
17:02<Flakk>I wanted to use fish as usual but fish says "error" or smth like that
17:02<marvin>was one of them router?
17:02<Flakk>marvin: no
17:03<alraune>a simple lspci on both ?
17:03<Flakk>at one of the machines there are two ethernet connections: one of them is to connect with the WEB and I am using it now to chat
17:03<Flakk>the other one is trying to connect with the laptop
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17:03<Flakk>i have two eth interfaces on the main machine
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17:03<alraune>shure
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17:04<Flakk>and two on the laptop, and i make "up" the one which i want to be connected
17:04<marvin>what are the ips/masks of the machine you are on now?
17:04<Flakk>masks 255.255.255.0
17:04<Flakk>and the ips just the usual stuff like 192...
17:05<Flakk>different from each other in last digits
17:05<marvin>could you be more precise... like give the whole ips?
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17:06<alraune>Flakk: you have no switch round there, and a second cable (possibly bad communication)
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17:07<marvin>you cannot have 2 cards on same subnet
17:07<marvin>and you just do
17:07<Flakk>alraune: no I have only one crossover cable
17:07<marvin>put one card to 10.40.0.1 and the laptop to 10.40.0.2 and it should work
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17:08<Flakk>marvin: sorry, you mean that I should not give two similar addresses to the WEB interface and to the crossover connection?
17:08<lontra-kde4>hi i have a via chrome video card .. i tried the via driver from their website and it didn't work well so i am trying to uninstall it except it doesn't seem to actual work. how can i delete this module manually?
17:09<marvin>Flakk: yes
17:09<marvin>to be short
17:09<Flakk>oh
17:10<Flakk>why 10.40.0.1?
17:10<marvin>you can put crossover to 192.168.X+1.Y (if your web is 192.168.X.Z)
17:10<marvin>just don't put them on same subnet
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17:10<Flakk>oh i see
17:11<marvin>i just made that up (and 10.40.X.Y is fairly standard on local networks i guess)
17:11<Flakk>can I put then 11.50.0.8?
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17:11<Flakk>I mean I never understood the story with 192....
17:11<alraune>at least same last two blocks..
17:11<marvin>whatever suits you, just that X.Y.Z. must be same
17:11<Flakk>just put it all the times mecanically
17:11<Flakk>ok trying
17:12<marvin>same on 2 different macihens, different on one machine
17:12<Flakk>yes i got it
17:12<Flakk>1 sec
17:12<alraune>I've used two different DHCP's with different submasks, worked also
17:13<alraune>?does anyone know a good proggi for learning vocabulary ?
17:13<Flakk>marvin: netmask 255.255.255.0 or?
17:13<marvin>yup
17:15<Flakk>err - same story
17:15<Flakk>destination host unreachable
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17:16<marvin>could you give me the ips/masks of all the interfaces please?
17:16<Flakk>I can not say that the cable is broken - it does a connection between a dekstop and another desktop
17:16<Flakk>marvin I am trying now 12.60.0.1 and 12.60.0.2
17:17<marvin>are all the interfaces up?
17:17<Flakk>ifconfig says so
17:18<marvin>try traceroute
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17:20<Flakk>well it says smth: 30 hops max and then prinnts 1 *** 2 ***
17:20<Flakk>etc
17:20<marvin>humm...
17:20<marvin>you are sure you are using the right intereface on second machine?
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17:21<Taty>Boa Noite a todos!
17:21<Flakk>marvin I typed ifconfig eth1 12.60.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
17:22<Flakk>(as root)
17:22<Taty>hi
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17:22<marvin>are you sure it's eth1, not eth0?
17:22<lontra-kde4>how can i remove a module built with m-a?
17:23<alraune>apt-get remove
17:23<lontra-kde4>nothing special?
17:23<Taty>no speak english
17:23<Flakk>marvin: you mean am I sur I typed eth1? yes I am
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17:23<alraune>and the name of the packet, of course...
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17:24<Flakk>marvin: ssh says no route to host
17:25<alraune>lontra..: don't you have a grafical gui, synaptic ..
17:25<lontra-kde4>yup
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17:25<lontra-kde4>alraune: i just didn't realize that these were all interrelated
17:26<alraune>how did you install the packet ?
17:26<Flakk>marvin: however ssh form laotop to itself starts working which means ssh is up...
17:26<lontra-kde4>i use m-a a-i but now i know i can just use aptitude to remove them
17:26<lontra-kde4>i thought i needed a special command
17:26<lontra-kde4>thanks
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17:27<alraune>depends of if listed in repos
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17:29<alraune>I'll switch to my wine now, have a good night,
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18:09<gpb>hi
18:09<gpb>i use lenny
18:09<WvdAkker>hi
18:10<gpb>is there a way to use java in konqueror?
18:10<gpb>in iceweasel it works but i want to bugfix a problem with a page
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18:11<WvdAkker>did you put the path to java in the settings?
18:13<gpb>if i could see the whole dialog... (only 480 lines here)
18:14<gpb>but "path to executable java file or 'java'" is set to "java"
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18:14<WvdAkker>can you see where java is installed?
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18:15<gpb>classical /usr/bin according to which
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18:16<WvdAkker>then it should work I guess
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18:19<kop>I cups designed so that I can do all the heavy ghostscript stuff on one box and have just the print spool on another?
18:20<gpb>when using /usr/bin/java it now only shows the "mantle", but not the embedded mini-program
18:20<gpb>/usr/in/java_vm shows it's loading the embedded program but stays at "loading"...
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18:36<a>list/
18:36<a>como se ve a la lista
18:37<a>esto no es el irc.hispano
18:37<a>no se ve la lista
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18:45<Twilight>ptweasel?
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18:48<jordan>hi!
18:49<dartmei>hi!
18:49<jordan>i have a simple question ( i hope) for you guys
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18:50<jordan>i just installed a Debian Etch machine from netinst. I added Xfce, and I wwould like to know ho to add the funcionnality to au mount the drives (usb/cd/dvd/etc.)
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18:50<jordan>i just installed a Debian Etch machine from netinst. I added Xfce, and I would like to know how to add the funcionnality to automaticaly mount the drives (usb/cd/dvd/etc.)
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18:52<jordan>anybody still alive here?
18:52*dartmei drops dead
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18:53<frank>jordan: do you got the mount-plugin installed?
18:54<jordan>frank:cant install it, apt-get does not find it, and i have the main, contrib, and non-free repos
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18:55<jordan>frank: i have xfce-mount-plugin tho
18:55<frank>xfce4-mount-plugin
18:55<jordan>yup, got it
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19:00<jordan>frank: any ideas^
19:00<mrnice`>is ther a log archive for this channel?
19:01<frank>jordan: not really, have no xfce available, do you have dbus and hal running?
19:02<jordan>frank: brb, i<ll check that
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19:03<dartmei>I think thunar & thunar-volman handles that stuff in xfce
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19:03<dartmei>I seem to remember there being some setting in preferences of thunar
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19:08<jordan>frank: it is working for usb drives, but not for dvd
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19:34<pelmon>i'm trying to set my system default browser. the page i read said to change it in the component chooser submenu of the control panel and i selected iceweasel and applied the change, but all urls i open from xchat still open using konqueror.
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19:42<Laeborg>any way to encrypt my connection to prevent shapping?
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20:02<Laeborg>i have just installed skype via the .deb package, but it won't startup
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20:10<davi>Laeborg, Skype is not Free Software
20:10<Laeborg>i downloaded it from skype.com
20:11<davi>Skype is not part of the Debian distribution
20:12<davi>Laeborg, you should try 'ekiga'
20:13<davi> apt-get install ekiga
20:13<Laeborg>okay, does that use the skype protokol ?
20:13<davi>or any other free software product
20:13<davi>The Skype protocol is proprietary and private. It is not an Open standard.
20:14<davi>ekiga does not support the Skype protocol.
20:14<davi>You can ask your friend to migrate to ekiga or some other Free Software which uses Open standards
20:15<Laeborg>okay
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20:24<LMA>hey sorry, just one doubt, is it possible to install the debian-live version to a HD? or is it just a live cd?
20:25<LMA>with the preconfigured cd images
20:26<LMA>oh I see that its possible, just that you need to include the installer in your custom debian
20:27<LMA>ok gtg
20:27<LMA>thanks hehç
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20:28<Laeborg>what is the unrar package named?
20:28<Laeborg>apt-get install unrar doesn't work
20:30<dartmei>you could use "apt-cache search" to search for something
20:30<dartmei>or else apt-get remove unrar*
20:31<Laeborg>any other ways than ftp and http to send files from my server to this pc?
20:32<Laeborg>i think the host of the server has trafic shapping
20:32<Laeborg>so an encrypted way to transfer files would be nice :P
20:33<dartmei> ssh?
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20:34<Laeborg>how?
20:34<Laeborg>scp ?
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20:38<client>is there a way to translate the info from lsusb to the list under dev? i am trying to mount a usb external drive
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20:51<k-man>any idea how to fix this? /proc/misc: No entry for device-mapper found
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20:55<gsimmons>Laeborg: 'unrar' is in non-free, you'll need to add non-free sources before this can be made available to you. Alternatively, install and use the 'unrar-free' package.
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20:57<Laeborg>thanks
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21:10<superlinux>hi guys .. i have an NVIDIA card.. the GLX module does not run using the original nvidia driver.. it only runs on nv driver
21:10<superlinux>what should be done to make GLX run on original driver?
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21:12<superlinux>any one can help me?
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21:12<kevin>Hello, I was wondering if anyone knew how to get xfapplet to work with the network manager for gnome. It's not appearing under the available options for applets.
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21:33<miksuh>http://www.laquadrature.net/en/meps-want-torpedo-free-internet-july-7th
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21:33<miksuh>spread the word, time is running out!
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21:38<Supaplex>!FUD
21:38<dpkg>it has been said that fud is Fear, uncertainty, doubt. Originally invented by IBM, but now used by many others. or YAFA. or Fscking Useless Data or otherwise known as false information or mindless facts with no backup facts or http://www.winntmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7420
21:39<miksuh>Supaplex: well they already tried it couple of mopnths ago, but it failed then
21:39<Supaplex>oh, it's the EU *yawn*
21:39<miksuh>months
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21:57<kipman>I have to say I love debian
21:57<xrcode><33 deb
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22:03<kipman>do most people use mainly packages from testing?
22:03<kipman>for desktop usage
22:04<Nemoder>I imagine most people either use backports or upgrade entirely to testing
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22:10<verbalkint>hi
22:11<kipman>ahwell its 3am I should sleep
22:11<kipman>night all
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23:34<Danny252>hi all, I'm having some trouble getting debian to recognise by wireless card
23:35<Danny252>it picks up the ethernet cards on my laptop, but not the wireless - anyone?
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