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---Logopened Sun Jul 06 00:01:00 2008
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00:02<jimisrvrox>whats the best codec package to dl for linux that plays the wmp format?
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00:05<kerz>just get audacious plugins they all work
00:06<kerz>xmms comes with wmp i think...
00:06<kerz>never tried it
00:06<kerz>no wait it doesnt
00:06<kerz>haha :)
00:07<kerz>hmmm whats the command archiver?
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00:44<antinul>my server died :(
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00:44<antinul>ive decided i need a ups
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00:47<gawz>i have etch. during bootup it always stalls for like 30 seconds at appletalk service being loaded i guess. since thats for mackintosh and i dont do apple, how do i stopp it from loading?
00:48<gawz>i dont think i neeed appletalk to load
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00:49<antinul>im being really lazy about reinstalling my entire website setup....
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00:51<gawz>i know the feeling. i just spnt the last 2 days getting my home server with all my shit back up
00:51<gawz>due to having no backup scenerio in place
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00:51<gawz> sata hd failed on me
00:53<gawz>you 'd be surprise how shit changes fast in the opensource community
00:53<gawz>apache2 is just a wee bit different to configure. for instance, they include, but you dont need http.conf????
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00:54<gawz>why in gods good name would they do that?
00:54<gawz>i dont get it
00:54<gawz>just move it from one file to a freaking nother
00:55<antinul>I didnt backup the mysql database
00:55<antinul>i figured "i will get to it eventually
00:55<gawz>trust me, you never do
00:56<antinul>Yeah, bad idea.
00:56<gawz>its a ball buster to recreate all your freaking tables, just the way you had it
00:56<antinul>So, the power outage that killed my server also was caused by a tree that almost fell on my pickup
00:56<antinul>excuse to build a new site
00:57<gawz>mysql for some reason, took me all day today damn near.
00:57<gawz>turned out the darn debian gui package manager thing was fucking up
00:57<gawz>it kept leaving out mysqld
00:58<gawz>i looked and couldnt find it anywhere. so i removed and reinstalled and nothing
00:58<gawz>and with all the new 5.0 and all, you have to read everything to see what changed
00:59<antinul>my hdd was toast refused to boot and repairing did no good
00:59<antinul>Yeah, that will be fun ;)
01:00<gawz>my sata somehow is not fully compatible with my cheap motherboard chip which only recognize half the sata drives out there
01:01<antinul>lol that sucks
01:01<gawz>so i finally use apt-get install to do it and it does the job that the gui couldnt. no more gui for me installing
01:01<antinul>my server consists of a p3 1ghz and a gig of sdram
01:01<antinul>One hell of a motherboard though
01:02<antinul>runs alot smoother then newer stuff ive played with
01:02<gawz>i have p4 2.4ghz 1 meg 1g ram and mother board bios need upgrading.
01:02<gawz>i can try to upgrade now that server is up and running
01:03<gawz>when etch boots its loading appletalk, any idea how i disable that since i dont do apple
01:04<gawz>appletalk takes like 30 seconds to load. i want to gain some speed on bootup
01:04<antinul>ah, no
01:04<gawz>yeah i have a motherboard on my window machine that purrs like a kitten
01:05<gawz>it does everything fast as hell
01:05<gawz>beats all my other computers
01:06<antinul>lol, my windows machines.......are for games and movies
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01:07<gawz>yeah i use them to hook up to my flatscreen and watch movies too. also use it to run fancy software like dreamweaver that is not available in linux
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01:09<gawz>all right antinul, time for me to keep moving. nice talking to ya
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01:34<antinul>whats the easiest way of getting apache/php/mysql back on my server?
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01:53<philsf>I need to copy a large ammount of user files from a sarge to an etch box. is there a simple way of converting iso88591 files/mails to utf8?
01:54<antinul>whats the easiest way of getting apache/php/mysql back on my server?
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02:21<Asca>Was lying in bed this morning and thought of something. I am all for the distribution upgrade in Debian, but what if you are running a network of say twenty PCs, do you have to do distribution upgrades on ALL twenty machines or is there a way to do it once and then run it across many machines?
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02:31<fxiny>Ascavasaion: yes , apt-proxy or apt-cacher . i use apt-cacher
02:35<Ascavasaion>no apt-cacher onmy system.
02:35<fxiny>Ascavasaion: ops . i think i need more coffee , no you must upgrade all 20 , you can download packages only once using a proxy
02:36<Ascavasaion>That sucks!
02:36<fxiny>Ascavasaion: wait
02:36<Ascavasaion>So, if a upgrade is 250Mb, I have to download 250Mb*20... ouch!
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02:36<fxiny>Ascavasaion: check apticron or cron-apt
02:37<fxiny>Ascavasaion: no you download only 250
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02:37<Ascavasaion>Okay, and how do you get it to installa cross all 20?
02:38<fxiny>Ascavasaion: automatically ? apticron or cron-apt
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02:59<philsf>I need to copy a large ammount of user files from a sarge to an etch box. is there a simple way of converting iso88591 files/mails to utf8?
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03:05<fxiny>converting mail ? i'd start checking formail
03:05<fxiny>firts thing
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03:11<philsf>can formail do this?
03:12<philsf>I thought it was to change headers, and such
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03:13<gpb__>if it's simple text mails you should be able to do so easily
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03:13<gpb__>with convert or sth like that
03:13<gpb__>let me check
03:14<philsf>gpb__: it's several megs of mbox files (I'll actually be converting it to maildir, if that matters)
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03:16<gpb__>try iconv or jv-convert
03:16<gpb__>convmv is for filenames
03:17<gpb__>that just looks at it as text files
03:17<fxiny>philsf: formail can do many things like splitting mail and more . you can use sed as well , but i think formail can be a good starting point for a search , dunno if can do utf8
03:17<gpb__>but why would you do so? in mails the encoding is stated somewhere, so any mailprog should work with it
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03:18<philsf>gpb__: I never could get pine to understand it, even though it clearly supports this
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03:19<gpb__>pine should understand iso-8859-1
03:20<philsf>gpb__: you mean jv-convert from the gcj package?
03:20<gpb__>never had a prob myself
03:20<gpb__>but then you need a prog to indicate the encoding (if you want to follow standards...)
03:20<gpb__>iconv is from gcc
03:20<gpb__>sorry, have to quit
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03:21<philsf>gpb__: it does understand both iso-8859-1, and utf-8. But if I open a utf-8 encoded email, and the default is iso*1, it shows screwed chars, and vice versa
03:21<philsf>oh well...
03:23<philsf>guess I'll have to ask again in a more crouded moment
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03:26<fxiny>philsf: man iconv ?
03:26<philsf>fxiny: do you suggest to find / -exec iconv - ?
03:26<philsf>there's got to be a better way
03:28<philsf>specially since etch migrated to debian, thousands of people had to to this. I'm not going to code some poor solution to substitude something that's out there, that's probably better than anything I can do by myself ;)
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03:28<heckler>re,bye :)
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03:29<fxiny>philsf: i'm just curious , found a google link : could you let me know if that works for one mbox ?
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03:32<fxiny>philsf: and >>
03:32<philsf>fxiny: I just found out there is a utf8-migration-tool in sid
03:33<fxiny>philsf: in sid ? good :)
03:34<philsf>fxiny: very nice this second url you posted
03:34<philsf>the first one is basic iconv
03:34<fxiny>philsf: i don't use utf8 , trying to fill the gap up :)
03:35<philsf>fxiny: I guessed utf8 was SOP by now
03:35<philsf>anyway, since I'm having the trouble of migrating one machine and upgrating the other, this is the best momento to worry about this
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03:36<Student>Greetings Every1
03:36<fxiny>are you migrating to etch ? keep an eye to lenny
03:37<Student>i am trying to make a bootable debian OS CD, i have downloaded .iso file
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03:37<Student>now i don't know what program i use to extract this file
03:37<Student>can any1 help?
03:37<valdyn>Student: you dont extract it, you burn it
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03:38<philsf>fxiny: lenny isn't stable yet, though I think I might wait a couple of months for it
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03:38<Student>how to burn it?
03:38<gsimmons>Student: See ("How do I record a CD-R under ...")
03:38<Student>ok gsimmons, let me check
03:38<Nemoder>Student: I recommend gnomebaker
03:39<Student>ok :) thanx
03:39<fxiny>philsf: that's right . a couple of months , i'm not running it so i guess a lenny user can tell you more about this issue
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03:40<philsf>some paranoid people recommend to always wait for the first point release to upgrade (any distro) =)
03:41<philsf>I'm not that kind of person, but I'm not doing the opposite either
03:41<fxiny>not with debian . debian knows what to do
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03:42<philsf>fxiny: well, utf8-migration-tool was not ready for etch, even though it should (etch was the point migration for utf, how come there is no conversion during the upgrade?)
03:42<LivingSouL>could someone help me please? :(
03:42<philsf>Not flaming here, but this was definitely a fault
03:42<gsimmons>!tell LivingSouL -about ask
03:42<fxiny>vultures are always criticizing debian for release timing but they are just , vultures :P
03:42<vecciora>How can I change my pointer colour?
03:42<Student>i find this channel very helpful whenever i get in problem regarding Debian, Keep it up guys
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03:44<tyo>alguem on aeeeE
03:44<philsf>!br | tyo
03:45<philsf>oh well, it used to work
03:45<LivingSouL>I'm having problems compiling an IRCD on my debian 4.0 vps. I already installed gcc and compiled an IRCD and got this error. checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables. help please.
03:46<tyo>no and u
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03:47<philsf>LivingSouL: this usually means there are packages missing
03:48<dpkg>somebody said build-essential was a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to aptitude install build-essential. If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
03:48<agabus>is iceweasel/firefox 3 in the lenny repo's yet? i heard that it was, but I don't see it?
03:48<LivingSouL>philsf: what I did was a apt-get install gcc. What should I do next?
03:49<gsimmons>LivingSouL: ^^^^ Although, is there any reason why you don't use one of the already packaged IRC daemons within Debian?
03:49<fxiny>firebus3 :P
03:49<philsf>LivingSouL: what gsimmons told, install build-essential
03:50<LivingSouL>I don't think FQIRCd is already in Debian.
03:50<fxiny>firebus3 : one deck of old bugs and one deck of new bugs :P
03:50<Nemoder>agabus: it's in sid but not lenny yet
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03:51<agabus>Nemoder - oh k, thanks. I've just been running it by downloading the official package and extracting it in my home dir. but i wanted debian official iceweasel. wonder when it will come through to lenny
03:53<agabus>Nemoder: sweet thats a useful site.
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03:57<philsf>can anyone give me a suggestion on why pinning isn't working for me?
03:58<philsf>I read the howto dpkg (the bot) recommended, and man apt_preferences - I'm failry sure this should work. I can't see what I'm missing
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04:49<amorinri>how do i install non-ubnutu programs
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04:49<cogwheel>define "non-ubnutu"
04:49<cogwheel>and this is #debian, not #ubuntu
04:50<amorinri>say microsoft encarta
04:50<cogwheel>well you can try and emulate windows apps using wine
04:51<cogwheel>not guaranteed to work but you can *try*
04:52<amorinri>what do you really mean by that?
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04:52<dpkg>wine is, like, packaged in the 'wine' package. or #winehq ( Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage.
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06:01<zefab>Hi guys. Any of you would know why my system doesn't halt anymore from kde ? It changed a few weeks ago and it seems kdm does'nt stop (ie, if I log on tty and just stop kdm, shutdown processus goes on and the system halts).
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06:06<m0RrE>hello, i've got a problem. i cannot mount some cd-images. they're in bin/cue format
06:06<m0RrE>i use this command: sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 binfile.bin /mount/path/
06:07<miki>m0RrE: what error (if any) do you get?
06:07<m0RrE>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so
06:07<m0RrE>dmesg gives me this: ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format.
06:07<miki>m0RrE: try $ file <filename.bin>
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06:08<miki>m0RrE: it will tell you the content type of the .bin file
06:09<m0RrE>rld-aoea.bin: data
06:09<miki>m0RrE: try installing the iat package, it can extract iso's from raw images
06:10<m0RrE>hmm, ok
06:10<miki>then run $ iat 'filename.bin' > 'filename.iso'
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06:11<miki>m0RrE: sorry it's $ iat 'infile.bin' [outfile.iso]
06:11<miki>m0RrE: but as always, read the docs :-)
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06:12<m0RrE>miki: thanks! that did the trick!
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06:14<miki>m0RrE: you're welcome :-)
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06:20<miki>I have a question too: my hard drive (not a laptop drive) has started making ticking noises when my system is idle. I first noticed this after resizing my partitions.
06:21<miki>I've tried running iotop to find out what process might be causing this, but in fact running iotop stops the noise and doesn't show anything unusual
06:22<miki>what could be causing this noise?
06:23<wnd>miki, you should've started this monologue two days (or three weeks) ago
06:23<wnd>why didn't anyone tell me about iotop before?-)
06:24<wnd>ok fine, I'm exaggerating a bit :-)
06:24<miki>I'm just trying to supply as much relevant information (yes i *did* google around on this question)
06:24<wnd>sorry, I really didn't mean it that way
06:26<miki>could it be ext3 filesystem being reorganized in the background? (the new partition does have much less free space than the old)?
06:26<wnd>but just being curious, why did you specifially mention it's not a laptop drive? I used to have a laptop drive as system disk (until yesterday, in fact), and it did make clicking/ticking noise every now and then. I always wondered why that was.
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06:27<miki>wnd: because ticking laptop drives are mentioned in many many FAQS, the problem usually being power management
06:27<miki>wnd: my drive had no problems until recently.
06:29<miki>wnd: and I don't think it's dying either (but I'll check SMART if it has that capability)
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06:29<wnd>I've had a few failing harddrive and not once did smart warn about it in advance
06:30<wnd>actually the latest drive that failed had bad blocks according to manufacturer's tester, and smart still thought it was just fine
06:30<wnd>based on that I'd suggest you'd try to find manufacturer's tester program if possible
06:31<miki>wnd: too bad
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06:32<miki>wnd: I'll look for test program, thanks
06:32<wnd>btw is the sound unusua, or does it resemble seek noise (as you suspected ext3 reorganising the disk)?
06:32<wnd>somehow unusual as in you haven't heard noise quite like it before
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06:33<wnd>if it's seek noise it could also be some daemon or application you recently installed or that was installed as dependency for another package
06:36<fxiny> manufacturer test programs ? i remember some maxtor caldera/sco crap test : it cooked up for goods my hd
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06:36<miki>wnd: thanks, nothing special I can remember, just the regular deluge of updates that a sid trip brings 8-)
06:37<fxiny>so back it up first
06:37<wnd>fxiny, cooked up how? I suppose you didn't skip the warnings about some tests being destructive?-)
06:38<wnd>but taking backups is always good idea
06:38<fxiny>wnd: i read the warning yehhh :)
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06:40<pumpkin0>fxiny: better kill it in a "controlled" way during the test then having it fail 2 days later during work.
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06:43<fxiny>pumpkin0: i had warning from boot two dayes before . downloading the sco-crap and running it was just a waste of time
06:43<fxiny>an illusion
06:44<fxiny>now , if i get warnings i just do the hammer test :)
06:44<fxiny>unless i'm due for refund :)
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06:47<fxiny>i run smartmontools anytime i get a second hand drive
06:47<miki>anyone have a floppy image for SeaTools?
06:48<miki>site has only winblows disc creator exe
06:48<fxiny>like "SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED"
06:49<fxiny>try running smartctl on your hd
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06:51<wnd>sometimes those executables are self-extracting zip-files (and unzip knows how to deal with them), with separate writer and floppy image
06:52<wnd>miki, I ended up getting this,
06:52<wnd>I downloaded it in quest trying to change acoustic settings of my seagate disk(s)
06:53<fxiny>why that ? check sysrescuecd kind of foss cd first
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06:54<wnd>fxiny, because that was the first things I came across with google. besides that seems to have fairly little non-free (as in lunch) stuff in it.
06:54<miki>thanx :-)
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06:55<fxiny>wnd: sysrescuecd offers MHDD > low-level Hard Disk Drive ...
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06:58<wnd>actually it seems that this "ultimate boot cd" only has free software
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07:02<miki>wnd: great find :-)
07:03<miki>wnd now downloading
07:04<wnd>I hope it helps. I wouldn't hold my breath though.
07:04<wnd>it's just difficult to detect failing hardware with software until it's too late
07:04<LivingSouL>how do you find out CPU type and SPEED of the machine through console?
07:05<wnd>cat /proc/cpuinfo
07:05<LivingSouL>thanks :)
07:05<wnd>note that cpu MHz only shows current clock, not maximum clock
07:06<LivingSouL>i see.
07:06<LivingSouL>thanks :
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07:06<wnd>if you're using cpu scaling, you can probably check max clock with "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq"
07:07<miki>wnd: yep, unless it's designed with the possibility of failure detection/recovery in mind...why oh why so little
07:08<LivingSouL>how about the ram?
07:08<wnd>/proc/meminfo :-)
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07:08<LivingSouL>cool.. thanks :)
07:09<wnd>if you need more details information about memory there's a tool, but I can't remember its name
07:09<miki>wnd: would have been nice if it were /proc/info/*, you could just cat that into a file... but i understand: legacy...
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07:11<wnd>LivingSouL, it was probably lshw, "It can report exact memory configuration, firmware version, mainboard configuration, CPU version and speed, cache configuration, bus speed, etc. on DMI-capable x86 systems, on some PowerPC machines (PowerMac G4 is known to work) and AMD64."
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07:16<wnd>LivingSouL, I think lshw tells you everything you need to know :-)
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07:20<Graveworm>Hi alltogether ;). I installed a precompiled kernel now on Debian lenny. Version is 2.6.25-2-686. I used to use self compiled kernels before. With them I never had problems with my system under maximum load. By now if my system is under load often my music skips, my keyboard is "lagging" (repeating the last key pressed, after some seconds of doing nothing) etc.... Can I manipulate the scheduler/scaling somehow?
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07:26<ian>Hi. I want to ask for help with grub: I have installed grub and the splashimages pkg and added splashimage=(hd0,5)/grub/splashimages/debblue.xpm.gz to menu.lst but grub just does not want to show the background image
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07:31<miki>ian: shouldn't that be /boot/grub instead of /grub ?
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07:32<ian>miki: no grub is on an extra partition
07:32<miki>ian: ok
07:32<ian>miki, mounted as /boot
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07:33<miki>ian: silly question, but did you run update-grub and did it find your image?
07:34<ian>miki: perhaps I should try to run update-grub again
07:35<miki>ian: :-)
07:35<miki>ian: maybe the slashimages package didn't do that on postinst
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07:37<ian>miki: OK seems that he found it. Another question: Have you got an idea how to make bash and the terminals in general more colorful, i.e. I want bash to use different colors showing folder with ls-l
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07:39<Pizarro>Hi everybody
07:40<Pizarro>I'm using Ubuntu and I'm trying to connect to my work place's network throught a VPN connection. I already make it work (the VPN) connection but I still can't "map" a remote network drive with the Place->Connect to Server option, Can anyone give me a hand on this please?
07:40<miki>ian: there's lots of stuff you can setup (uncomment) in .bashrc , including color prompts and color ls.
07:40<Maulkin>Try #ubuntu on
07:41<Pizarro>Mauling, I tried that but no answer
07:41<miki>ian: in ~/.bashrc
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07:41<Maulkin>Pizarro: Try again. We can't help with Ubuntu problems I'm afraid
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07:41<Pizarro>Maulkin, ok thank you
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07:43<ian>miki, thank you just trying it out
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07:44<ian>miki, does bashrc work also in no X-environments?
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07:45<miki>ian: i think so, as long as your shell is bash :-)
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08:01<munga>hello what does the policy say for the encoding of the maintainer field in debian/control ? should it be encoded in utf8 ?
08:01<Graveworm>Hm...No idea anyone? Another question. If I want to install a new kernel with aptitude, why there is just no statement, that the binary can be used with AMD's Athlon? All current versions I can find are only for Intel CPUs. But I've been told to use that one.
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08:02<maxb>Graveworm: What wording *precisely* are you referring to?
08:02<munga>Graveworm: maybe you should look in the amd64 arch repo ... ?
08:03<Graveworm>But I've a Athlon XP. So I can't use the amd64 binary?
08:05<Graveworm>maxb: I just look for a binary for my AMD Athlon XP with a version of 2.6.25, but all current binaries I can find are for AMD 64 or Intel machines.
08:05<Graveworm><- in the description of the package
08:06<wnd>what does "file /lib/ld-2*" say?
08:06<munga>I guess you have to use a normal x86 kernel... but I'm not sure. I don't think there is a kernel specifically build for your processor as it is x86 cmpatible
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08:06<Nemoder>I believe the K7 kernel would be optimal for that cpu
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08:08<wnd>yup. k7-flavour would fit athlon xp just fine -- if the setup was running in 32-bit mode.
08:08<maxb>Graveworm: What exactly is leading you to think "for Intel machines" (only) ?
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08:09<Graveworm>Nemoder: But somebody told me the last time I asked, that the k7 package is obsolet.
08:09<Graveworm>maxb: Because the description of the package is telling me that ;)
08:09<Graveworm>maxb: There is no reference to AMD. Just Intel.
08:10<Nemoder>Graveworm: what version of debian are you running?
08:11<Nemoder>stable or ?
08:11<Graveworm>Nemoder: testing (lenny)
08:11<Nemoder>ok I think you are right then, the k7 package in lenny points to the 686 package
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08:13<Graveworm>Nemoder: Hmm... So its just some kind of a link? Because the description of the "linux-image-686" package again tells me, that it is for Intel machines?
08:13<Nemoder>Graveworm: linux-image-2.6-686 should work fine for you on lenny, but I agree it's confusing that they didn't update the description, you might want to file a bug report
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08:14<Nemoder>they both use the same base i386 instruction set, the only difference would be in optimizations, if they made the separate k7 image obsolete it's probably because there was little difference between the two
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08:15<Graveworm>Ah, ok. I'll give it a try then. Thanks for the help.
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08:21<client>i have been getting conflicting information in the forums and i was hoping that someone might be able to help. i have 2 monitors set up in clone mode. is there a way to set different resolutions?
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08:29<Graveworm>Nemoder: Ah, thanks for searching the bug report :).
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09:00<client>does clone mode for dual screens not permit different resolutions for said screens?
09:01<pumpkin0>client: depends on the way you clone and the driver. usually yes.
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09:03<client>pumpkin, i have fglrx drivers for my ati card. i'm just using "screen 1" cloneof "screen2" in the layout of xorg and i can't set the resoluion on the second monitor. do you have suggestions of where to get more info?
09:03<pumpkin0>client: which ati-card is it ?
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09:07<pumpkin0>client: switch to the opensource radeon driver. the current version supports 2D, 3D and all ...
09:08<Hideo>heh, he quit before you replied
09:08<Hideo>no patient at all
09:08<pumpkin0>well, he has to live with the crappy fglrx...
09:09<Hideo>yup, his loss
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09:14<nubbun>Where/how do I find out what patches Debian applies to the default linux kernel?
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09:20<amphi>nubbun: apt-cache shows "linux-patch-debian-2.6.24 - Debian patches to version 2.6.24 of the Linux kernel" on testing
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09:26<nubbun>amphi: thanks
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09:29<VelvetElvis>I've been having trouble logging in since the last round of updates on sid. I can't login as my regular user. I can login as root and make another user and from root I can su to my regular user. Resetting the password via usermod makes no difference, but if I make a new user and use kuser to reset the password I'm able to access the origional account again. Then a few hours later I lose the ability to login to all accounts other th
09:30<VelvetElvis>any suggestions?
09:30<kcynice>when i start synaptic, it tells me it fond a brocken installation, what should i do now?
09:31<VelvetElvis>try apt-get -f install
09:31<Gathond>kcynice: unbreak it:) what does it say more than broken installation?
09:32<kcynice>unbreak it? how to do it? what's the command?
09:32<nubbun>VelvetElvis: could turn pam logging on
09:33<VelvetElvis>nubbun: where is that done?
09:33<nubbun>VelvetElvis: in /etc/pam.d . I'll go look. 1 moment.
09:34<Gathond>kcynice: that depends entirely on the answer tot he second part
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09:34<Gathond>kcynice: usually to tell it exactly what way you want it to get out of whatever dilemma it is in
09:35<kcynice>oh, the problem occurred when i waw installing pidgin2.4.3
09:36<kcynice>it depends some libs, whose version are uper then mine. but apt says my own libs are the lastest!
09:38<Gathond>might be true, where did you get pidgin?
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09:38<Gathond>from debian?
09:38<Gathond>if your pidgin is built against SID and you run stable then the libraries are likely to be very different
09:39<VelvetElvis>nubbun: I think I have it on. I'm getting error messages in auth.log, sorry, I'm not awake yet. Can I paste here?
09:39<Gathond>removing pidgin with dpkg is likely to resolve the issue
09:39<nubbun>VelvetElvis: debug 1
09:39<Gathond>then again the apt-get install -f is likely to do as well (it should also remove pidgin)
09:39<kcynice>i got the version from
09:39<nubbun>VelvetElvis: that might do it when added to a file that gets used in pam.d
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09:40<kcynice>but, now, i think my problem should be how to resolve the versions
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09:41<kcynice>my current debian has no old pidgin installed
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09:43<Gathond>pidgin .com seems to be all spam links
09:43<Gathond> reroutes you to that
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09:43<Gathond>kcynice: no, because pidgin was still called gaim when the last debian released
09:44<kcynice>my debian CD image is debian40r3, is it too old?
09:45<Gathond>kcynice: I think it is the current one
09:45<Gathond>the .deb you downloaded might not be
09:45<VelvetElvis>here's what I'm seeing in auth.log. Nothing stands out.
09:45<Gathond>could you please provide the direct link to where you got it from
09:45<kcynice>you mean, the debs i download for pidgin?
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09:46<kcynice>i think i will get the page redirect to
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09:47<Gathond>kcynice: that page only provices for fedore and RHEL
09:47<Gathond>well and windows
09:48<kcynice>so, i am afraid i will have to wait untill i get the source code. The problem is that i don't know why i can't open these days
09:48<Gathond>did you install an RPM?
09:48<Gathond>kcynice: are you in china?
09:48<kcynice>i only a newbie for debian
09:48<kcynice>i know little about debian
09:49<kcynice>i just jump here from windows xp, sorry
09:49<Gathond>well does not provide any packages for debian
09:49<Gathond>so I'm still not sure what exactly you installed
09:50<kcynice>ok. now, i have ONLY installed pidgin-data
09:50<Gathond>which you got from where?
09:51<kcynice>i got it from when said its debian-ubuntu version, but in the download page, i only find a ubuntu flag
09:52<Gathond> just links to that horrible search thingy here
09:52<kcynice>because the files were all deb format, i downloaded it. i thought it would work well for debian
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09:53<kcynice>i am not sure. if so, where can i get a version for debian?
09:53<Gathond>could you please paste the link to the exact page there you clicked download?
09:53<kcynice>ok. wait for a min
09:53<stew>kcynice: you can get pidgin for debian stable from /msg dpkg bpo
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09:58<kcynice>ok. i am having a try
10:02<Gathond>kcynice: you probably still need to get rid of the first one
10:03<kcynice>maybe. the second way that dpkg tell me goes wrong
10:05<kcynice>it told me to add a new source to source.list. but i have a bad network to that source,
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10:06<kcynice>wait. the second way got the same error
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10:09<kcynice>ok. when i remove the two packages i have installed, i can install it via "apt-get install pidgin" command now
10:10<kcynice>thanks Gathond and stew
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10:10<fxiny>Knorrie-: no . apt-get install is not enough . read
10:11<kcynice>the only problem is the download rate is a little sllow for me
10:11<kcynice>what? to me?
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10:12<fxiny>Knorrie-: tab completion
10:12<kcynice>but what do your really mean?
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10:12<kcynice>if i installed it by apt-get command, what will happend?
10:13<kcynice>or what should i do next when i have installed it by that command?
10:13<fxiny>apt-get -t etcg-backports install , follow the link
10:16<kcynice>ok. thanks. i will have to try next time. the download rate is too sllow! fuck it. i am about to leave now. try it next time
10:16<kcynice>i have to leave and go out now. thanks
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10:36<transiency>So, i run etch on my server, however the version of rtorrent is too old. On the bright side, they work here.
10:36<transiency>is it safe to create "mixed system"
10:36<transiency>fi rtorrent si the only package?
10:37<transiency>or should i bug the mainters to push up the new rtorrent build
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10:38<Gathond>transiency: its not as such safe, and bugging the debian developers is unlikely to make them update it
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10:38<Gathond>at least before another stable version is released
10:38<transiency>hehe, i figured as much, thought i would ask before i buggered
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10:39<transiency>so should i remove rtorrent and install from source?
10:39<Gathond>stable means just that stable, only security fixes are implemented really
10:39<transiency>believe me i am hesitant to leave stable on my server at all
10:39<Gathond>transiency: check if someone has already made a backport
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10:40<transiency>You have searched for packages that names contain rtorrent in suite(s) etch-backports, all sections, and all architectures.
10:40<transiency>Sorry, your search gave no results
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10:41<transiency>lol, maybe i should just modify the source to reflect a newer version
10:41<Cyorxamp>Anyone ever heard of a bluetooth KVM switch? I've found only one so far.
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10:46<fxiny>transiency: rtorrent ? are you after encryted rtorrent ?
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10:47<transiency>not reallyu
10:48<transiency>just some sites have banned the older etch client
10:48<transiency>and the unstable/testing vers works
10:48<cockroach>hey. i'm looking for a way to tell my fancy onboard hd-audio (realtek) to also use line-out, not just the headphone...
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10:50<transiency>fxiny, should i give up?
10:50<fxiny>transiency: i use a compiled 0.7.4 on etch , but i get too many bad chunjs/sync errors lately . i'll try 0.7.9 before moving to lenny
10:50<fxiny>0.7.4 connnets fine
10:50<transiency>so you compiled from source? vs a .deb?
10:51<transiency>so i should remove apt-get remove rtorrent and compile
10:51<fxiny>that's what i've done . remove lib
10:51<transiency>removed libtorrent?
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10:52<transiency>thank you
10:52<transiency>ill give it a shot
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12:23<client>i've been playing around with my xorg.conf file and although i've gone back to a backed up version i can't seem to get my refresh rate back to 75hz... anyone know what could be causing this?
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12:25<fxiny>your desktop env (control center) settings ?
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12:52<myteron>hu *
12:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
12:58<myteron>well i am on debian 4.0r3 and trying to get dual uplink running in a stable way kernel 2.6.25-2-486
12:59<myteron>one line goes up with O2 E270 UMTS modem and the other over another router via eth2 internel net is on eth1
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12:59<myteron>however I came accross that wvdial seems to assume a gw called I have the suspicion thats not the real gatway
13:00<myteron>my next hob is
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13:00<myteron>so question for a start is is that some kind of generic gw?
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13:14<disgrntld>I have a question about using subdirectories with autotools, I hope this is the best place to ask..
13:14<disgrntld>I have a '' and '' that work fine in a flat directory (`make` and `make dist` work). However, if I move my source file and '' to a 'src' directory, and then create a new '' with "SUBDIRS = src", `make dist` starts to fail.
13:14<disgrntld>My question: how can I use autotools correctly with subdirectories?
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13:16<peens>DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0
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13:17<amphi>!pal peens
13:17*dpkg points at peens and laughs
13:20<disgrntld>anyone know of a channel for C++ developers?
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13:21<fxiny>tor ? hmmm
13:21<fxiny>abusing tor is s*
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13:24*stevecotton keeps being surprised by the amount of functions that have been added to dpkg
13:24<stevecotton>!confuse dpkg
13:24<dpkg>No, them is my mushroom yesterday, dpkg? pants of the republic of micronesia with extra herring
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13:31<wnd>disgrntld, I suppose you also modified to create src/Makefile
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13:33<disgrntld>yes indeed, I added just that line
13:34<disgrntld>inside AC_CONFIG_FILES([Makefile src/Makefile])
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13:35<wnd>and you also updated AC_CONFIG_SRCDIR or equivalent?
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13:36<disgrntld>nope! I didn't even know about that macro!
13:36<disgrntld>..sounds hopeful :)
13:36<wnd>what error did "make dist" give? and no, this is hardly the place to ask such questions :-)
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13:38<disgrntld>lol sorry! It said:
13:38<disgrntld>/bin/sh: line 20: test: too many arguments
13:38<disgrntld>cp: target `Scoreboard/contestScoreboard-1.0/src/' is not a directory
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13:38<disgrntld>and actually you just made me realize it might be the space in my project folder name "Contest Scoreboard"
13:39<wnd>yeah it might
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13:39<disgrntld>will report back in a bit.. thanks wnd
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13:48<disgrntld>yay! it was the space in the name :blush: thanks again wnd!
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13:53<myteron>hi could someone scan my port 113 I suspect my ISP is blocking it?
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13:55<amphi>myteron: you can do it yourself by pointing your browser at
13:55<myteron>amphi: cool cheers
13:56<amphi>it's teh gibs0n, so expect a certain amount of melodrama
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13:58<myteron>i suppose skipping their main page helps *g*
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13:59<myteron>any idea why am not able to go to ircnet? identd shoul be enough there is nothing else open
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14:06<wnd>myteron, many ircnet servers are rather picky about who are allowed to used them
14:06<wnd>I think is one of the most relaxed
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14:07<avu>wnd, it will not let you in from certain countries, too
14:07<avu>myteron, in most cases, you have to use a server from your country/region
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14:11<fxiny>amphi : is a watermelon drama , gibson reports stealth any random port , and i'm blocking him >> 92 3312 DROP 0 -- * * . i'll install ZoneKalarm to make him happy :P
14:11<kinneh>in what step in the debian/rules does the patch get created ?
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14:18<LivingSouL>Hello.. :) How do you enable the logging of "last"? i get this error last: /var/log/wtmp: No such file or directory
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14:22<myteron>wnd: cheers would explain something ususally i would chat from german but now i am living in ireland
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14:24<myteron>by the looks of list of servers there is none in ireland
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14:25<amphi>fxiny: ports are only reported as 'stealth' if nothing comes back, not even icmp_port_unreachable
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14:29<Dementor>join/ #giga
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14:32<fxiny>amphi: he found 113 closed . then i scanned my 22 and 23 to automagically block him . now 113 is stealth
14:33<wnd>myteron, I wrote this to find accessable ircnet servers,
14:33<fxiny>cause i drop everything
14:35<fxiny>amphi: so he got something the very fisrt time from my 113 ? can't be : i have nothing running on 113
14:35<amphi>fxiny: yes; the port was accessible, but nothing was listening, so it sent back icmp_port_unreachable, I expect
14:37<fxiny>amphi: good , i'll look into it
14:38<amphi>'open' means reachable and listener, 'closed' means reachable but no listener, and 'stealth' means nothing is returned after sending a SYN (AFAIK)
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14:39<amphi>ie. there is _NO_ sign that any computer whatsoever exists at that IP address!!!1111
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15:09<Milos>i have a problem. I have downloaded newest kernel from official site, and have configured it properly. I made a debian package with an .deb extension. I have then installed a deb package, and have rebooted my computer. Now when i boot, i have 2 options, system with old and system with new kernel. System with old kernel works fine, but the new one, when it tries to boot, it gives me an error saying that something with boot isn`t good... What
15:09<Milos>should i do now?
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15:11<Milos>sry, i will reboot my system now and i`ll tell you the exact error
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15:11<LivingSouL>how do you write this ip range 192.168.* for the iptables? is it like or something?
15:12<SLi>Hi. What does it mean that a bug is archived? I tried to find docs for that. Can it still be reopened or found: in some version?
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15:12<stew>LivingSouL: yes
15:12<LivingSouL>oh thanks stew :)
15:13<SLi>Never mind.
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15:29<LivingSouL>iptables v1.3.6: Unknown arg `--dport' :/
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15:33<Milos>i have a problem. I have downloaded newest kernel from official site, and have configured it properly. I made a debian package with an .deb extension. I have then installed a deb package, and have rebooted my computer. Now when i boot, i have 2 options, system with old and system with new kernel. System with old kernel works fine, but the new one, when it tries to boot, it gives me an error saying that something with boot isn`t good... What
15:33<Milos>should i do now? The error is @ i have a problem. I have downloaded newest kernel from official site, and have configured it properly. I made a debian package with an .deb extension. I have then installed a deb package, and have rebooted my computer. Now when i boot, i have 2 options, system with old and system with new kernel. System with old kernel works fine, but the new one, when it tries to boot, it gives me an error saying that something
15:33<Milos>with boot isn`t good... What should i do now?
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15:39<client>does anyone know if there is a way to select which screen (when multiple are connected) to use for boot up sequence to sue
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15:57<Milos_Serbia> i have a problem. I have downloaded newest kernel from official site, and have configured it properly. I made a debian package with an .deb extension. I have then installed a deb package, and have rebooted my computer. Now when i boot, i have 2 options, system with old and system with new kernel. System with old kernel works fine, but the new one, when it tries to boot, it gives me an error saying that something with boot isn`t good... What
15:57<Milos_Serbia>should i do now. Error while booting can be found @ and my current menu.list(grub) can be found @
15:58<Milos_Serbia>any one pls help
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16:04<lucca>that's weird; pastebin is posting it for download rather than showing it
16:05<lucca>Milos_Serbia: cannot find root device means your new kernel does not have the necessary drivers present to access sda1
16:05<lucca>everything necessary to mount the root file system needs to be either built-in (common in custom kernels) or modular and inside the initfs that gets built during the installation
16:06<Milos_Serbia>i asked a same question on other irc and they told me that i just need to configure grub properly
16:06<lucca>what is the block device of your root filesystem on the old kernel?
16:06<Milos_Serbia>ao what do u suggest me to do
16:06<Milos_Serbia>compile new one
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16:06<Milos_Serbia>or try with this one/
16:06<lucca>I suggest you read what I asked and look up what that means if you aren't sure
16:07<lucca>the error is pretty normal for a person building their own kernel the first time and can be caused by several different things
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16:08<lucca>but the basic fact is you (accidently or otherwise) told it to mount the filesystem on a device it can't reach
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16:12<Milos_Serbia>lucca: maybe. but when i tried to create journal on /dev/sda1 it said that the journal allready exists
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16:13<Milos_Serbia>and i told it to mount fs on /dev/sda1 which you can see if you take a look @
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16:16<lucca>okay, so sda1 is the right root= parameter... why would you try to create a journal there?
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16:17<lucca>notice how the debian kernels hae the initrd.img-... stuff?
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16:18<Zathras>Hi. Is there a way (besides searching through aptitude) to list alll packages available in apt/sources.conf matching a certain pattern? I want a list of all available apache mods I can install
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16:20<stew>Zathras: apt-cache search or grep-available (from the grep-dctrl package)
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16:22<ericsson>Boa tarde
16:23<lucca>Milos_Serbia: read the stuff about initrd images
16:23<lucca>you need to make an initrd image
16:23<ericsson>Venho procurando já um bom tempo onde posso encontar manuais, livros ou tutoriais sobre o linux ou Ubuntu.
16:23<lucca>there's nothing wrong with your sda1
16:23<ericsson>alguém pode me ajudar?
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16:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:23<abrotman>eh .. no
16:23<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
16:24<abrotman>ericsson: but Ubuntu gets help in #ubuntu
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16:26<Milos_Serbia>there isn`t serbian version
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16:26<lucca>so make one
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16:33<darthanub>so I just install Lenny and my wireless firmware loads upon boot, but Networkmanager will not show me available networks inmy range. Thus I can't get online on my Lenny box?
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16:33<darthanub>I'm searching the Debian formus for workarounds or fixes
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16:37<amphi>darthanub: does iwlist scan show anything?
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16:38<darthanub>I have to switch my card to see:(
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16:38<darthanub>one sec
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16:39<woldemar>can someone help me?)
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16:41<woldemar>i'm a new user of debian and i wanna 2 know ho2 ist xwine on my deb_amd64
16:41<woldemar>google gives me on;y trash
16:41<darthanub>amphi, I have wireless-tools and wpasupplicant installed
16:41<darthanub>during install the installer found my wireless card, but not the network
16:42<darthanub>its weird
16:43<woldemar>??????, ??????? ????????????????? ???????????:
16:43<woldemar> xwine: ???????: libgnome32 (>= 1.2.13-5) ?? ?? ?? ????? ???? ??????????
16:43<woldemar> ???????: libgnomesupport0 (>= 1.2.13-5) ?? ?? ?? ????? ???? ??????????
16:43<woldemar> ???????: libgnomeui32 (>= 1.4.2-3) ?? ?? ?? ????? ???? ??????????
16:43<woldemar>E: ????????? ??????
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16:44<darthanub>my wifi usb stick's firmware is in the kernel, no need for anything else
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16:45<woldemar>it wasnt spam=(
16:45<lucca>woldemar: but it was a lot of lines at once, which ends up causing drama, heh
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16:47<amphi>darthanub: does iwlist scan see the AP?
16:48<darthanub>I think the link might have the answer
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16:48<darthanub>the wrong zd1211 firmware ships with Lenny?
16:48<amphi>no idea - try another one perhaps
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16:49<abrotman>!info zd1211-firmware
16:49<abrotman>!info zd1211-firmware lenny
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16:50<dpkg>zd1211-firmware: (Firmware images for the zd1211 and zd1211rw wireless drivers), section non-free/base, is extra. Version: (lenny), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 124 kB
16:50<dpkg>zd1211-firmware: (Firmware images for the zd1211 and zd1211rw wireless drivers), section non-free/base, is extra. Version: (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 124 kB
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16:51<dpkg>A real soundcard (or a good soundcard, or better than bad) does hardware mixing, that means, play more audio streams at once, without any sounddaemons and similar.. things. They are not expensive (depends on your demands of quality, but in general) get one and be happy.
16:51<dpkg>A real soundcard (or a good soundcard, or better than bad) does hardware mixing, that means, play more audio streams at once, without any sounddaemons and similar.. things. They are not expensive (depends on your demands of quality, but in general) get one and be happy.
16:51<abrotman>we saw
16:51<abrotman>darthanub: which version do you need?
16:51<Milos>abrotman i thought that command is free ;/
16:52<abrotman>is free?
16:52<Milos>not used
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16:52<darthanub>from the forum post
16:53<darthanub>I can't believe Debian did not ship with the correct fw
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16:53<darthanub>I left ubuntu for crap like that
16:53<abrotman>correct for what? the version of the driver ?
16:53<abrotman>maybe your card isn't supported by the version in lenny?
16:53<woldemar>can some one help me with installing xwine?)) the install process says that xwine needs libgnome32 libgnomesupport0 libgnomemeui32 but this libs cannot be installed=)
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16:53<abrotman>darthanub: do you see errors in dmesg when you load it?
16:54<darthanub>yes during boot, it says it can't load the firmware
16:54<darthanub>but when I take it out and reseat it
16:54<darthanub>it loads the firmware
16:54<darthanub>with no errors
16:54<abrotman>so the version of the firmwware is correct
16:55<darthanub>"debian kernel: zd1211rw 5-5::1.0: eth1
16:55<Milos>is there any chance to create a official serbian debian channel here?
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16:55<valdyn>darthanub: is the firmware on a partition that is not yet mounted at that point?
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16:55<abrotman>Milos: you can make one yourself .. AFAIK, you don't need permissoin
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16:56<darthanub>valdyn, I told it during install to mount all mds at once
16:56<Milos>abrotman i know that, but i asked for official ;/ the one that is aprooved by debian community
16:56<darthanub>the kernel ison its on /boot partition
16:56<Milos>with links to forums, rules etc
16:56<valdyn>darthanub: maybe you mean to start all md raids at once
16:57<valdyn>darthanub: that has nothing to do with mounting, its only a prerequiste to mounting
16:57<darthanub>thats what I meant, and did
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16:57<valdyn>darthanub: i would copy the firmware files to /lib/firmware/ to see if that changes anything
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16:58<woldemar>some1 knows other debian channels?i'd like 2 know some ru chan...=)
16:58<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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17:07<jimisrvrox>have a bit of a problem here..every time I log back into my linux box I have to re-size the screen with my monitor to get my right scroll bar to show up on the there anyway that I can fix this in linux so that I dont have to keep re-sizing the horizontal width on my monitor?
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17:13<darthanub>well that did not work
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17:17<darthanub>anyone using a nic with zd1211rw firmware?
17:17<huaxia>hello, my home network is based on a Linksys wrt54gs router with dd-wrt. It is running DNS/DHCP/Internet Gateway services. Normally it runs fine with my local server however when the internet connection is down. On the server side the login or other network connection to server becomes extremely slow (or time out). I even do not where should I start to debug. Someone can offer me some hints?
17:18<huaxia>My server side uses openldap/nsswitch/pam.d for auth anyway.
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17:21<jimisrvrox>well huaxia how the hell did you manage to get the drivers for the wrt54g nic card when I tried debian install wouldnt recognize the card so im kinda like well how the hell could I even install deb with the wireless card not being recognized?
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17:24<huaxia>jimisrvrox, I dont use wrt54g nic card for my box (a netgear wg511t instead). However, my Linksys wrt54gs running DD-WRT seems fine.
17:24<huaxia>jimisrvrox, the latter is a router
17:25<huaxia>jimisrvrox, you can check dd-wrt/openwrt config source I think
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17:30<jimisrvrox>well ima linux n00b and so with this box im having probs with the horizontal screen
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17:31<jimisrvrox>every time logging back in I have to resize my screen to see the right scroll bar and its quite annoying
17:32<darthanub>where does one find an official source.list for lenny?
17:33<abrotman>!tell darthanub about sources.list
17:33<abrotman>!tell darthanub about mirrors
17:34<darthanub>bot not working
17:35<abrotman>dpkg: hi
17:35<dpkg>hello, abrotman
17:36<abrotman>dpkg: sources.list
17:36<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> etch main" and "deb etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
17:36<abrotman>bot is fine
17:38<Laeborg> - what can I do?
17:40<darthanub>abrotman, thx
17:40<darthanub>learning curve
17:40<abrotman>Laeborg: does /var/log/apache2/ exist ?
17:40<Laeborg>2 sec
17:41<Laeborg>thanks ;)
17:42<Laeborg>im pretty stressed out atm. 2 of my servers is down, and I got payin' clients whos mad right now.
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17:42<abrotman>Laeborg: i believe that's 640 root:adm
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17:48<darthanub>I want to add that to my repos
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17:50<darthanub>I only have access to 1490 packages
17:50<darthanub>I'm used to 25k
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17:51<abrotman>darthanub: i thought you already installed that package ?
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17:51<darthanub>I downloaded the firmware and unpacked in the firmware directory
17:51<delf>hi all ;]
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17:52<delf>can someone help me to install openvpn ?;]
17:52*delf lame ;]
17:53<darthanub>I'm getting it together
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17:53<abrotman>darthanub: you mean you got it from some random site?
17:53<darthanub>I see 22k packages now:)
17:53<darthanub>I got it from scoureforge
17:54<stevecotton>Laeborg - have you checked disk space?
17:54<abrotman>darthanub: FYI .. that doesn't mean it was compatible with the version of the driver you have
17:54<Laeborg>it works now stevecotton
17:55*darthanub have to make these fonts look better
17:55<Laeborg>abrotman had right
17:57<delf>can someone tell why when i started my openvpn server the port wasn't open ??;]
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17:59<delf>ehh ;]
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17:59<delf>whois delf
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18:02<LieZ^>someone here to help me out
18:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
18:03<LieZ^>ok apparently i dont have a makefile heres a screenie of my prob
18:03<path>I have several questions :-)
18:03<LieZ^>2 mins lost it
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18:04<abrotman>LieZ^: read the INSTALL document
18:04<avu>LieZ^, you probably need to run ./configure first
18:04<LieZ^>already did mate
18:04<avu>LieZ^, and/but yes, read INSTALL
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18:05<LieZ^>ran ./configure the went to run make then got that error
18:05<avu>read. INSTALL.
18:05<LieZ^>am doing
18:06<avu>also, it's quite possible that ./configure threw an error
18:06<avu>because if it didn't, it probably would have generated the Makefile. Though I can't be sure, I haven't read INSTALL ;)
18:08<LieZ^>it just says to do the usual compile tasks such as ./configure - make - make install, isnt that a makefile in the pic anyway?
18:08<avu>no it isn't.
18:08<avu>it's the tempalte that is used by the programs run by ./configure to generate the real makefile
18:08<schlurchz>dpkg: hi
18:08<dpkg>niihau, schlurchz
18:08<LieZ^>ahh i see ill run the commands again
18:08<avu>as I said, ./configure probably didn't run through properly but ended in an error
18:10<LieZ^>ahh it gave me an error this time it could not detect my boost libraries
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18:12<darthanub>fixed the look of the fonts, ahhh. Had to change the hz
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18:24<client>i'm currently suing qtorrent, and it has very few options (i had to change ports in the source file) and i was wondering if anyone could recomand something with more flexibility
18:26<Laeborg>when Host in mysql is set to % (wildcard) then I should could connect server there isn't localhost right?
18:27<Laeborg>But I get this error: [2013] dbconn: mysql_connect: Lost connection to MySQL server during query
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18:31<Rico>Hi, gibt es hier jemanden der deutsch spricht?
18:32<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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18:32<Hideo>Rico: you can ask a question in English here, since we don't all understand German =)
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18:38<variable>i know that there is anothe command to replace apt
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18:41<variable>hmm i gues :)
18:42<LieZ^>hi is there a way to install every librarie there is with one command?
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18:43<LieZ^>like i havent got python or anything installed
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18:44<qq>apt-get install python*
18:46<LieZ^>lol ill check that but i searched on google and a website says to install that i had to type 5 lines of text
18:47<LieZ^>i get an unmet dependencies error
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18:48<qq>apt-get update , first
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18:49<LieZ^>thanks whats apt-get -f install?
18:49<qq>and hope to have a "good" sources.list ...
18:49<Nemoder>LieZ^: unmet dependencies for what?
18:49<LieZ^>appreciate the noob help btw
18:49<qq>yes try it , may halp
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18:57<variable>please remember me that file where i need to write that on booting it will mount me media
18:57<stevecotton> /etc/fstab
18:58<antinul>whats the easiest way of getting apache/php/mysql back on my server?
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19:01<antinul>i knew there was something like that
19:01<variable>is there somthing similer to winamp player?
19:01<antinul>my server died in a powersurge
19:01<Nemoder>variable: xmms or audacious
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19:08<variable>option in fstab "defaults" what it does by default?
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19:11<variable>i found it
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19:14<LieZ^>lol vnc keeps giving me a black screen :S
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19:16<LieZ^>ok now a grey screen
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19:17<abrotman>did you install a window manager ?
19:19<LieZ^>whats that? btw it was working earlier
19:20<amphi>LieZ^: stippled? ;)
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19:20<Graveworm>Good evening :)! Anyone with an AMD Athlon XP and a precompiled kernel? Since two days I try to get this thing working (usually I compiled the kernel for myself) but all I got is a annoying system. If my pc is under max load everything is really slow. I mean my music skips, my keyboard is lagging etc. With the self compile ones I never had such problems under load. I have "linux-image-2.6-686", "linux-image-2.6-k7" and "linux-image-
19:20<Graveworm>2.6.24-1-686" installed.
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19:23<LieZ^>amphi: lol what?
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19:23<amphi>the 'grey screen' - is it stippled?
19:23<amphi>ie. alternating black & white pixels?
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19:24<marvin>Graveworm: if your system is under max load you would expect it to lag, wouldn't you?
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19:27<marvin>anyone runs compiz on lenny/sid with nvidia?
19:28<Graveworm>marvin: Yes for sure. But as I mentioned. I don't know exactly why (maybe optimization in menuconfig?) but with the selfcompiled ones, I was able to stress my system withoung having my music skip, my keyboard lags etc. How could I say... For sure Iceweasel or OpenOffice took "a little" bit more time to load, but the "small" things like music playing and so on weren't influenced by that.
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19:28<marvin>Graveworm: sounds like priority thing, but i have no idea how to fix it :(
19:29<Nemoder>I have compiz installed on lenny w/ nvidia but I don't run it very often
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19:29<marvin>i don't have borders on my windows when i run compiz (compiz fusion actualy) and resizing is slow
19:30<Nemoder>Graveworm: kernel-package utils make it pretty easy to build your own kernel .deb
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19:31<Graveworm>Nemoder: Hmm...Ok.. I just read the description. Sounds good. I'll give it a try :).
19:32<Nemoder>marvin: looks like the compiz window manager is broken for me too, although there was an xorg update, I might need to reinstall the nvidia driver
19:33<LieZ^>@amphi yes
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19:36<LieZ^>its stippled
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19:38<amphi>LieZ^: so X is running fine
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19:43<marvin>i installed fusion-icon and it allmost works now, it's slow thou... and it shouldn't be
19:45<Nemoder>marvin: it's fast here but for some reason it didn't automaticly start gtk-window-decorator
19:45<marvin>maybe i should restart x
19:46<amphi>marvin: perhaps some power management on the card?
19:47<variable>what for is umask when mounting ntfs?
19:48<marvin>what would any power management on card have to do with slow resize? and there is none i would be aware of anyway...
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19:49<Nemoder>marvin: glxinfo | grep direct
19:49<marvin>i wodner what xserver-org-video-nv is... there is update available in sid
19:49<marvin>Nemoder: yes
19:49<amphi>marvin: default resize mode is slow; use another
19:50<amphi>marvin: nv has no 3d accel at all
19:50<Nemoder>nv is the free driver, it doesn't handle 3d
19:50<marvin>oh ok
19:53<Graveworm>Ok, I'll go to bed now. Thanks for the help :).
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19:53<LieZ^>@ amphi so whats the problem then?
19:54<marvin>i'll try to restart x and see
19:54<amphi>no window manager running? what wm are you intending to run?
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19:55<LieZ^>recommend me one please
19:56<amphi>openbox is quite pleasant - or do you want a 'desktop environment'?
19:56<LieZ^>oh as in desktop environment ive got xorg and gnome
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19:57<amphi>I know nothing of gnome, I'm afraid
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19:58<LieZ^>lol u know more than me im probably getting mixed up, theres gnome and KDE isnt there?
19:58<abrotman>of gnome?
19:59<amphi>LieZ^: and xfce, which is somewhat lighter than either; I haven't used any of them myself
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20:01<Nemoder>I mostly use xfce
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20:06<mosty>which package provides (or creates) the /etc/postgresql/8.1/ directory? i have installed postgresql-8.1 and its dependencies, but that directory was not created and /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1 start does not start the server
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20:09<stew>mosty: /msg dpkg confmiss
20:14<mosty>stew, interesting... that didn't seem to be the problem, but i think i have traced it back to being a problem with locales. i have purged and reinstalled many times, tried that command and it made no difference. i was getting lots of perl warnings about locales, so i did dpkg-reconfigure locales and purge/installed after that and it created the files ok
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20:19<kcynice>when i was installing a software, it said i had no xgettext.
20:19<kcynice>but i can't find anything by apt-cache search xgettext, what should i do?
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20:21<mosty>kcynice, try the "search contents of packages" util on ?
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20:21<amphi>kcynice: gettext: /usr/bin/xgettext
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20:22<amphi>quoth apt-file
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20:24<kcynice>i search through my system, found nothing, no package named xgettext
20:24<kcynice>whole system
20:26<amphi>kcynice: it's in the gettext package, it would seem
20:27<kcynice>you mean, i should execute apt-get install gettext to resolve such a problem, right?
20:28<darthanub>how to I set my gcc version to 4.1
20:28<darthanub>I can't compile the nvidia module with 4,3
20:29<marvin>export CC=gcc-4.1
20:31<amphi>or just 'CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 make'
20:31<darthanub>sweet thanks
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20:41<vision>what is planar, wrt lcds
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21:00<xrcode>what flags do you need with apt to replace all previous files when reinstalling?
21:00<xrcode>./etc/apache2 is gone, i reinstalled apache2 and its still not there
21:01<abrotman>!tell xrcode about confmiss
21:01<abrotman>and it's apache2.2-common
21:02<xrcode> ty
21:02<vision>I had a hardware question. What does it mean, when they say the lcd monitor is planar
21:03<mosty>vision, Planar is a brand of monitors
21:04<vision>mosty, thanks, I bought an lcd 22inch widescreen, and the height is only 19inches, so I thought maybe I wanted planar
21:04<abrotman>22inch is the diagonal
21:04<mosty>what abrotman said
21:05<vision>ooooh, well the height of my old monitor, which I think is 19 is same as the height of my 22inch ws
21:05<abrotman>height doesn't mean anything
21:05<abrotman>vision: if you need help with hardware .. please ask ##hardware on
21:05<vision>what I mean is, 19in is same height as 22inchWS
21:06<mosty>vision, compare the diagonals
21:06<abrotman>or ask ##hardware like he should
21:07<vision>you guys already answered my questions thanks, but I was looking for #hardware, and now I know its on the freenode, not here. But sorry for inconvenience, thanks for answering anyway
21:08<vision>what kind of displays do you guys have. I don't know if my old dell 19in is getting old, or this ws makes it better, but this acer 22''ws has a much better picture than dell 19''
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21:09<vision>I quit lenny. I hope when it becomes stable, they include dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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21:10<vision>I 1024x768, I get much better performance than 1280x1024, or maybe its lenny that was slower than stable
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21:10<vision>I think I need larger than 22inws
21:11*kp enjoys his 32" lcd
21:11<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
21:12<vision>who is running debian display over 1024x768?
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21:13<mosty>my laptop's resolution is higher than that
21:14<Gekz>I'm using 800x480
21:14<vision>how much vid mem?
21:14<vision>so many apps go offscreen at 800x480
21:15*amphi is on a 1024x768 panel
21:15<Gekz>I havent found one
21:15<Gekz>i llie, Freeciv
21:15<Gekz>GTK client
21:16<vision>its usually a pop window, and you can't click <ok> <cancel>, unless the drag it back in
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21:26<FoxM>Hi... What steps do I need to install a new kernel image? I did aptitude install 'linux-image-2.6.24-1-686' and 'update-grub' and also tied 'update-initramfs' but that does not work.. it loads initramfs, but seems that it can't mount the file system
21:26<Laeborg>how does I extract a .7z file? I have installed p7zip-full
21:27<abrotman>read the docs? its man page ?
21:28<mosty>FoxM, try editing /boot/grub/menu.lst and set the root device correctly
21:28<path>7z e
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21:30<jsm>I have a Sony laptop and cannot seem to get my wireless card switched on under linux.. the physical switch does not work.. any ideas?
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21:31<dpkg>All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at and Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>.
21:36<chealer>Laeborg: which desktop environment do you use?
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21:38<Golfgeo>Hi all
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21:39<chealer>FoxM: installing the linux image package is all you need to do
21:41<Golfgeo>How do I find out what version of Debian I am running?
21:41<mosty>Golfgeo, how did you install?
21:42<Golfgeo>mosty: I am running a stable/testing combination, but there is a command that tels what the names are... Just cant remember what it is...
21:42<chealer>!tell Golfgeo about debian version
21:43<Golfgeo>thanks mate
21:43<mosty>Golfgeo, if you're running a mix of stable and testing, then there is no single "debian version" that you are running
21:43<Golfgeo>I know, but lenny/sed is the awnser... I got testing in apt.conf though...
21:44<stew>Golfgeo: its strongly recommended that you don't try to mix stable and testing/unstable
21:44<Golfgeo>I know about all the warnings...
21:44<Golfgeo>Never had a real problem until now...
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21:45<abrotman>now you know why we warn you :)
21:45<Golfgeo>btw it seems it is a testing/unstable install. Not stable/testing
21:46<Golfgeo>abrotman: You gave me some advice about the nvidia driver install and am going to do it now. But what was the problem with it in testing again?
21:46<abrotman>i did who ?
21:46<Golfgeo>You did me.
21:46<abrotman>oh .. nvidia in testing is broken .. i think the current solution is to get the nvidia junk from sid
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21:47<Golfgeo>Yep, thats the advice. Is there a howto availible on this?
21:47<Golfgeo>Wanne stay testing asmuch as posible...
21:48<abrotman>howto: ask on irc? :)
21:48<stew>Golfgeo: then switch to vesa or nv driver and wait for nvidia to be fixed in testing
21:50<Golfgeo>stew, that might be a long wait... I'm trying to get a simulator to run a bit faster like it does on xp...
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21:51<Golfgeo>Stellarium to be exact... runs at over 50 frames on xp and at 1 frame per 5 sec on linux...
21:52<abrotman>runs fine on the intel card i have :)
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21:52<Golfgeo>You got the proper drivers for it though...
21:52<abrotman>that's right .. because mine doesn't depend on the benevolence of a bunch of money grubbing idiots :)
21:53*abrotman stops
21:53<Golfgeo>I know, I know...
21:53<abrotman>well .. i guess technically it does .. but they seem to have more common sense
21:53*abrotman really stops
21:55<Golfgeo>b.t.w. If I use module-asistant to compile the nvidia-glx-something kernel module, it should work as a workaround for the lack of a commen package for my kernel, right?
21:55<Golfgeo>B.t.w. I hate the propriatary stuff too...
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22:00<chealer>abrotman: which video chipset do you have?
22:01<abrotman>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
22:01<abrotman>hey .. i thought i had an 830
22:01*abrotman looks to see if his laptop has been switched
22:01<chealer>Golfgeo: yes, it should work as a workaround for the lack of a prebuilt package, but the LKM is named just "nvidia"
22:02*chealer bbl
22:03<Golfgeo>Oke, going unstable all the way
22:03<Golfgeo>Well, in a moment...
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22:05<tuvok>got the nvidia driver working, and my zd1211 going!
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22:08<tuvok>now if I could get my pvr250 to be seen I'd be halfway there
22:09<mosty>see the ivtv website
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22:14<abrotman>!tell MotoHoss about away
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22:45<wgsilkie>Hello, does anyone here use the repository mirror?
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23:16<darthanubis>any debian lenny uses with pvr250?
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23:26<kevin>Does anyone know the name of the gstreamer codec to enable mp4 video playback?
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23:39<Aleric>Hmm, I need some help :/
23:39<Aleric>I want to create a filesystem - but mke2fs says the partition is mounted.
23:39<Aleric>It is not mounted - why would it think that?
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23:46<chealer>Aleric: please show the command and its output
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23:48<Aleric>I found the mounts in /proc/mounts :/
23:48<Aleric>lame schroot
23:48<Aleric>hikaru:/proc>cat mounts | grep md7
23:48<Aleric>/dev/md7 /var/lib/schroot/mount/sid32-4ed31d26-8fb2-46fe-9272-3af1b5b590c9/usr/src/64bit ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0
23:48<Aleric>/dev/md7 /var/lib/schroot/mount/sid32-583bbafa-9e61-4ff1-b3ac-913818243a83/usr/src/64bit ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0
23:48<Aleric>long list...
23:49<Aleric>This is a serious bug - that thing doesn't clean up
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23:58<Aleric>Hmm, I'm reading from one disk, decompressing (bzip2) and writing to another disk... 35 GB.
23:59<Aleric>It actually hangs on cpu usage :( ... bzcat only uses one cpu :/. This is going to take half an hour :/
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