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---Logopened Tue Jul 08 00:00:10 2008
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00:04<antinul>omfg i cant figure out why its trying to download files
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00:06<Golfgeo>ib
00:06<Golfgeo>:-)
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00:07<qq>antinul: maybe it came as dependencies
00:08<antinul>?
00:08<antinul>Is it okay if i pm you?
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00:08<qq>" why its trying to download file"
00:08<qq>no
00:09<antinul>well, try to load http://antinul.com
00:09<qq>i dunno php
00:09<antinul>it downloads a useless file rather than showing the html page i put in there
00:09<antinul>theres only 1 file
00:09<antinul>and its a .html
00:10<qq>so you have put there useless files on your http://antinul.com
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00:12<antinul>theres only one file in /var/www/ and its index.html
00:12<antinul>.... hmmm looks like this might be a problem with the way i put php on...
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00:13<antinul>looks like new php wants more memory then i have
00:13<antinul>p3 1ghx with 512 ram lol\
00:14<qq>i don't think so
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00:18<ameyer>qq: it could be, depending on how much other stuff antinul is running on that box
00:18<ameyer>like, if it's also used as a desktop, it could actually be a problem
00:19<qq>yes , sure ... other
00:19<antinul>Ah, just my crappy website
00:19<antinul>And the Gui system
00:20<antinul>GNOME
00:20<antinul>hmmmm
00:20<antinul>well ive tried most of the day and gotten nowhere
00:20<antinul>so im going to bed
00:21<ameyer>yeah, gnome can be a bit of a pig
00:22<ameyer>probably not as bad as kde4, though
00:22<qq>CPU Info Pentium II (Deschutes) 512 KB cache flags(-) clocked at [ 447.705 MHz ]
00:22<qq>with gnome full
00:23<Golfgeo>That an historic cpu :-P
00:23<ameyer>not to mention stuff like Firefox^WIceweasel
00:23<ameyer>qq: how much RAM?
00:24<ameyer>(RAM tends to be the limiting factor for things like that)
00:24<qq> Memory 123.6/186.5MB
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00:25<qq586>CPU Info Pentium MMX 0 KB cache flags(-) clocked at [ 200.468 MHz ]
00:25<qq586> Memory 61.5/249.1MB
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00:25<qq586>icewm ..
00:26<ameyer>shrug
00:27<ameyer>900 MHz Celeron M underclocked to 630 MHz using almost 500 MB of RAM o_O
00:27<qq586>this one currently is compiling a new kernel
00:27<ameyer>yay KDE4 bloatyness
00:27<Golfgeo>Got a problem, I have a wlan card Intel thingy and there seems to be a command that I am missing: ip Anyone any idea in what package it is located?
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00:28<ameyer>not helped by Iceweasel eating almost 150 MB and Akregator eating almost 120 MB...
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00:31<ameyer>Golfgeo: iproute?
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00:31<Golfgeo>ameyer, no it isn't that. It pertains to the wlan or wifi stuff
00:32<qq>ameyer: right now Memory 126.3/186.5MB with Iceweasel running
00:32<ameyer>qq: I've noticed Iceweasel tends to use more RAM on systems with more RAM
00:32<qq>+ epiphany + vlc + ...
00:33<qq>not here
00:33<Golfgeo>Iceweasel can eat up to 300 MB (on XP I believe) and then it will level off
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00:34<ameyer>Iceweasel works fine on my other laptop (128 MB of RAM), yet likes to eat hundreds of MB of RAM on this (1 GB of RAM)
00:35<qq>top with Iceweasel > Mem:191024k total, 186608k used, 4416k free, 3512k buffers
00:36*ameyer wonders about qq's swap
00:36<qq>top without Iceweasel > Mem: 191024k total, 170256k used, 20768k free, 3168k buffers
00:36<qq>Swap: 461120k total, 203688k used, 257432k free, 56012k cached
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00:39<ozatomic>how can i check if my kernal has been configure for large amounts fo memory
00:39<qq586>on a kernel compile machine>>Swap:393584k total,3968k used, 389616k free, 118060k cached
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00:40<ozatomic>it has 2gb ram atm and i got another 2 to put it and i wont to check if i'll ened to recompile the kernel?
00:41<ameyer>IIRC the limits for the various options are 1 GB and 4 GB
00:41<dondelelcaro>ozatomic: if you're using the -686 kernels, it's fine.
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00:42<ameyer>but that 4 GB includes various memory addresses for things like graphics cards, so it's really closer to 3 GB in practice
00:43<qq>check CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y in kernel config
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00:43<ameyer>It'd be similar to the 32 bit Windows limit which is apparently 3.3 GB or so in practice
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00:46<qq>ameyer: i read somewhere that in linux is 3.5 BG
00:47<qq>in any case greater then in win
00:47<ameyer>shrug, I've never had more than 1 GB to deal with
00:47<qq>me to ...
00:48<ameyer>and only Xandros is that stupid\
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00:48<qq>except on cluster
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00:49<qq>10x200 MB or so
00:49<rya1>can anyone here assist me in getting MD5 support working and configured properly for pam_mysql?
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00:50<ameyer>I can understand not activating the 4 GB highmem option, as there's apparently a bit of overhead
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00:54<qq>seems (4 GB highmem) is better on 64 than 32
00:54<qq> better used*
00:55<ameyer>or whatever the option that requires nasty PAE hacks is
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00:57<peterS>ameyer: nasty PAE hacks would be HIGHMEM_64G
00:57<peterS>but yeah, at some point if you can afford that many GB of RAM, you can afford a 64-bit CPU
00:57<qq>i don't recall PAE is only in xen ?
00:58<peterS>PAE is a compile option in all kernels, but I don't think the normal Debian kernels have it enabled
00:58<peterS>well by "all" of course I mean 32-bit i386
00:58<qq>apparently no , ok
00:58<ameyer>you'd probably be better off losing the better part of a GB of RAM than using the PAE hacks
01:00<jm_>didn't Linus say something along the lines of "4G is OK, everything beyond that I don't care much about"?
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01:01<peterS>don't know about that - I do remember when the nasty PAE hacks were first being contemplated, Linus said that sort of thing would never be supported in Linux. same argument as today, really - if you can afford that much RAM you can afford a 64-bit CPU
01:02-!-mode/#debian [+l 326] by debhelper
01:02<peterS>of course the price of both has come down rather a lot since 2001
01:02<peterS>back then it meant buying an alpha or an ultrasparc. now it means, well, buying any new computer (:
01:03<jm_>heh yeah I paid < 70EUR for 4G in april (ok that's not server RAM, but still)
01:03<peterS>yeah
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01:06<Golfgeo>gtg people. Have fun!
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01:10<ameyer>peterS: not so much
01:10<ameyer>00:03 < peterS> back then it meant buying an alpha or an ultrasparc. now it means, well, buying any new computer (:
01:10<ameyer>there are still computers with 32 bit processors
01:11<ameyer>but for desktop use, I imagine that >4GB of RAM is overkill
01:11<peterS>yeah and their motherboards usually have trouble accommodating 4 GB of RAM
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01:11<ameyer>heck, probably >3 GB
01:11<ameyer>or maybe even >1 GB
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01:18<superlinux>jake hi
01:18<jake>hey hi
01:19<superlinux>jake did u solve your problem?
01:19<jake>how did u know i was here?
01:19<jake>no i just woke up
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01:19<superlinux>ppl nicks are listed
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01:20<jm_>nice, links is wasting time in Gpm_Open -> connect if gpm is not running
01:20<jake>gud morning
01:20<jm_>elinks that is
01:20<jake>hi jm_
01:21<jake>superlinux: do u know whats wrong with my settings?
01:22<jm_>ahh no, this is even worse - gpm is running, but connect is just not finishing
01:22<superlinux>as far as i remember u should change the mouse protocol to auto
01:22<jake>from gnome control centre?
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01:23<jake>from where can i change it to auto?
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01:23<jake>its not there in mouse section
01:24<jm_>right, it's #470882
01:26<jake>superlinux: from where can i do that?
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01:31<superlinux>jake u have to edit the xorg.conf
01:32<jake>k
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01:33<jake> Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" ... superlinux ... imps2 to auto?
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01:35<superlinux>yes
01:35<superlinux>but keep that one commented, you might use it
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01:36<qq586>jake, have you read the bug #470882 ?
01:36<jake>no
01:36<superlinux>qq what kinda one?
01:36<jake>we have bugs listed like that?
01:37<jake>!bug 470882
01:37<superlinux>i know that...
01:37<superlinux>how to get that bug info?
01:37<jm_>qq586: that is irrelevant for him
01:37<qq586>ok
01:38<superlinux>qq586: it could contain some info
01:38<simonrvn>!dbugs 470882
01:38<dpkg>#470882:G[gpm] gpm freezes and makes other applications freeze/segfault; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:48:04 UTC
01:38<superlinux>ah, never heapened to me
01:38<simonrvn>totally irrelevant ;)
01:39<superlinux>simonrvn: it's not abt relevance to mne
01:39<simonrvn>abt?
01:40<superlinux>about
01:40<simonrvn>thanks
01:40<jake>k i comented out imps2 and added one with protocol auto
01:40<jake>now should i run nvidia-xconfig?
01:41<superlinux>then reload X
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01:41<jake>by /etc/init.rd/gdm restart?
01:41<superlinux>i think u can do change the nv to nvidia by hand
01:41<superlinux>yes
01:42<jake>ok so after that nv to nvidia i'll do a restart
01:42<qq586>jake, not having another mouse ?
01:42<jake>i have a converter
01:42<jake>but prefer usb
01:42<qq586>for test
01:42<jake>oh
01:42<jake>so i'll try this auto thing if it works first
01:43<qq586>ok
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01:47<jake>didn't work
01:47<jake>fatal server error
01:48<jake>so i stopped gdm i started it again and now mouse is invisible
01:49<qq>so change the mouse and revert in xorg auto --> imps2
01:52<jake>http://pastebin.ca/index.php my Xorg.0.log
01:52<qq>http://pastebin.ca/index.php ????
01:52<jake>oh shit
01:53<jake>http://pastebin.ca/1065300
01:54<qq>(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
01:55<jake>i can click around but cant see the arrow
01:55<jake>but if i restart it'll come back
01:56<jake>this happens with me after nvidia-xconfig
01:56<qq>so is you physical mouse is out service ,
01:56<jm_>EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
01:56<jake>when i come back to gdm
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01:56<jake>qq: meaning?
01:57<qq> so change the mouse
01:57<Nemoder>jake: can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
01:57<qq>[07:49:39] <qq> so change the mouse and
01:57<jake>change the mouse?
01:57<qq>yes
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01:57<jake>what i throw this one?
01:57<jm_>you're using nv driver and trying to load nvidia's glx module, won't work
01:58<jake>Nemoder: ya i'll do that
01:58<jake>jm_: k so what do i do?
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01:58<jm_>jake: make up your mind, decide which one you want to use and then configure it correctly
01:59<jake>i obviously want nvidia and its not loading and think that was the problem
01:59<jm_>so change nv to nvidia
01:59<jake>wow thats a wonderful solution
01:59<jake>thanks
02:00<jm_>did you install the binary only driver by now?
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02:02<jake>http://pastebin.ca/1065304 -- xorg.conf
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02:03<jake>i have installed nvidia drivers but its giving me fatal error on restart and wont load gdm thats why i change nv to nvidia to get back to the irc
02:04<jm_>yes you want nvidia if you want to use advanced stuff
02:04<Nemoder>what method(s) did you use to install the nonfree driver?
02:05<qq>jm_: yesterday jake had the right one ...
02:05<jake>i earlier used m-a auto install
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02:05<jake>then i used *.run also
02:05<Nemoder>ahh that's not good
02:05<jake>which one is not?
02:05<jake>*.run?
02:05<Nemoder>the .run will overwrite system files
02:05<jake>oh
02:06<jm_>qq: yeah he is not following what people told him so he made a mess
02:06<jake>i dunno man ive tried various things people have told me here
02:06<Nemoder>I would recommend using nvidia's uninstall option and then reinstalling with m-a
02:06<jake>jm_: oh please
02:06<jake>so can i get back my mouse without a restart?
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02:15<jake>without doing any changes the mouse is back after a reboot
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02:16<qq>jake: with nvidia ?
02:17<jake>no with nv
02:17<qq>ok
02:17<kcynice>i want to use apt-get to install jdk6, which souce should i add to source.list?
02:17<qq>try with nvidia now
02:17<qq>jake:
02:18<jake>how many times man? its gonna be the same
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02:18<jm_>kcynice: it's in non-free
02:18<kcynice>no matter it free or not, i got nothing by apt-cache search sdk
02:18<jake>with nvidia it crashes and gives Xorg.o.log
02:19<kcynice>*jdk
02:19<qq>jake: ok
02:19<jake>which i gave
02:19<jake>cat wont cover the whole file
02:19<kcynice>infact, i want to learn jsp. so i think i should install java environment and tomcat
02:19<jake>it has to be some dumb setting
02:19<jm_>no that log was not with nvidia driver
02:20<ozatomic>main.cpp:81:42: error: manufacturing/FactoryService.h: No such file or directory
02:20<ozatomic>main.cpp:82:43: error: manufacturing/RamProxyService.h: No such file or directory
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02:20<ozatomic>hmm is there a fiel i can vi to see kernal configs that are set?
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02:21<ozatomic>or how would i check what si set and what is not
02:22<jm_>ozatomic: more /boot/config-$(uname -r)
02:22<kcynice>so, if i wanna install jdk-1.5, which souce should i add to source.list?
02:22<qq>non-free as said
02:22<jm_>like I said, it's in Debian repositories, not necessarily for your release though
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02:23<jm_>check backports if you're using stable
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02:24<kcynice>which version is free?
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02:28<qq586>http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080707#statistics
02:28<qq586>Debian GNU/Linux - the new "Number One" distribution
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02:29<Hideo>it's always been number one in my heart, baby
02:31<Nemoder>distrowatch has crazy stats.. PCLinuxOS was number one for ages and I hardly knew anyone that used it compared to other major distros
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02:32<qq>[01:37:22] <jaroug> arnaud_: félicitation pour le titre de DPL
02:32<qq>[01:37:30] <jaroug> nan franchement
02:32<qq>[01:42:24] <qq_> . DPL ?
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02:32<qq>[01:44:33] <jaroug> Debian Project Leader
02:32<qq>[01:55:49] <qq_> felicitation arnaud_
02:32<qq>[01:58:31] <jaroug> oui
02:32<qq>[01:59:54] <jaroug> d'ailleurs si tu pouvais répendre sur les autres canaux la bonne nouvelle "le petit frere de l'ancien DPL devient DPL a son tour" ca serait cool
02:32<qq>[02:02:12] <qq_> moi ?
02:32<qq>[02:04:25] <jaroug> oui oui
02:32<qq>[02:04:33] <jaroug> toi la au fond
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02:33<qq>[02:10:16] <jaroug> ah mais ca concerne aussi bien les debianneux francophone qu'anglophone
02:33<qq>[02:10:55] <jaroug> sur ce bonne nuit
02:33<Hideo>dude, stop it
02:33<Nemoder>qq, please don't flood the channel
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02:33<Hideo>we don't speak the language
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02:34<qq>is a message from ex Debian Project Leader
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02:34<qq>!!!
02:34<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
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02:34<qq>[02:11:39] <qq_> jaroug: so for en chan ? " the little brother of last Debian Project Leader , is becoming now the new Debian Project Leader"
02:34<qq>[02:11:50] <jaroug> yeah
02:34<qq>[02:11:55] <jaroug> that's it
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02:35<Hideo>stop
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02:36<Hideo>!tell kcynice about non-free
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02:41<jake>.
02:41<qq>now is ok
02:41<qq>i know
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02:41<qq>jake: ^^^^
02:41<jake>qq: yes?
02:42<qq>your nvidia I means
02:43<jake>hey can u start it over... i'll uninstall everything
02:43<jake>the debian way is prefered right?
02:44<qq>in debian yes
02:44<jake>k
02:45<jake>what about this page? http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/nvidia.htm
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02:47<Hideo>jake: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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02:49<qq>from now on i'll don't use any nvidia products ! I hate them , as they hate us (the free community) !
02:50<kcynice>how to add an item backports.org to source.list?
02:50<kcynice>i got it from the webpages.
02:52<petemc>there are instructions on backports.org
02:53<jake>qq: so what do linux users prefer?
02:53<qq>ati, intel
02:55<stephane>qq: i have the nvidia 7600 GT and it works perfectly & i can play with my flight sim..
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02:58<qq>as in >>>>http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2587
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02:59<suiside>ati's divers are sadly inferior in quality though, the promises to publish open ones haven't improved the situation yet
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03:00<jm_>not to mention intel crap
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03:01<suiside>but hey, if you're a linux fanatic you're not propably going to give that fact much attention anyway
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03:03<qq>“Such modules negate the openness, stability, flexibility and maintainability of the Linux development model and shut their users off from the expertise of the Linux community.”
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03:05<suiside>are you actually going to say something yourself or just going to paste stuff from a zdnet article? anyway, this a debian support channel and this discussion belongs in #debian-offtopic
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03:07<qq>and that facts may distroy all linux system , including debian !
03:07<qq> systems*
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03:10<qq>so not at all debian-offtopic !
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03:11<morgan`>hello
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03:19<sdf>hi
03:20<sdf>anyone here? all sleeping...........
03:20<sdf>ronf ronf
03:21<qq586>ti prego !
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03:22<sdf>auauau
03:22<sdf>qq586?
03:22<sdf>what is the problem?
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03:44<jake>hey i did everything the debian way
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03:45<jake>on restart it says "servers found but none have a usable config
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03:45<jake>so fatal error no screens found
03:45<bikeboy>quick installer question - when I get to the 'Software Selection' stage and am given options like DE and Standard System...if I select DE do I get a choice of which DE or is it automatically Gnome? (using standard CD1.iso)
03:45<jm_>paste the logfile
03:45<jake>failed to load nvidia kernel module
03:46<jake>Corg.0.log?
03:46<jake>*xorg
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03:46<jake>it syas nvidia.ko doesn't exist
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03:47<jm_>then you didn't install it like it said
03:47<jm_>bikeboy: you can check which packages make up that task
03:47<bikeboy>thanks jm_
03:47<jm_>bikeboy: you can also preseed this it seems
03:48<jake>no i did everything written there
03:48<jake>ste by step
03:48<jm_>facts disagree with you jake
03:49<jake>prove it
03:49<jm_><jake> it syas nvidia.ko doesn't exist
03:49<jm_>there proven
03:49<jake>but when i install nvidia it says already installed
03:49<jake>so?
03:50<jm_>give me "dpkg -l|grep nvidia" output
03:50<jake>same nvidia-glx
03:50<jake>k
03:50<jm_>bikeboy: my bet would be on gnome only
03:50<jake>http://rafb.net/p/Zhvtjq67.html nvidia installer log
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03:51<jm_>that's useless - it's for your uninstall
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03:51<bikeboy>jm_: yeah that was my feeling, and aiming to get an experimental KDE4 install so am just working out the quickest way :)
03:51<bikeboy>-and +am
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03:52<jm_>bikeboy: ahh you'll need to do that after the install anyway, better not select DE then at all
03:53<bikeboy>figured as much, just wanted some re-assurance really jm_
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03:55<jake>jm_: http://rafb.net/p/W6RD6E60.html
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03:56<jm_>jake: ok, "lsmod | grep nvidia ; ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/nvidia/nvidia.ko" - what does it say?
03:57<jake>in modprobe i only have nvidiafb. whats that for?
03:57<jake>one sec
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03:57<jm_>you must not use that or it may cause problems
03:57<jake>its says: ls: /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-amd64/nvidia/nvidia.ko: No such file or directory
03:57<jake>oh .. whats nvidiafb?
03:58<jm_>yes that would agree with your dpkg output - you have failed to compile it for your currently running kernel
03:58<jm_>it's FB driver for nvidia cards
03:58<jake>thats the same error it gives me on reboot or restart
03:59<jake>i have failed?
04:00<kcynice>one of my friends told me that i coudn't use tomcat in debian, its a bug of debian, right?
04:00<jake>thats pretty depressing. what can do
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04:04<jm_>jake: rebuild it for current kernel
04:05<jake># apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common ?
04:05<jake>then m-a update
04:06<jake>then m-a prepare
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04:06<jake>then m-a auto-install nvidia
04:06<jake>here i'll tell u one thing
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04:06<jm_>naah you only need to run m-a a-i nvidia
04:07<jm_>you can use -f switch if it will complain that it already exists
04:07<jake>now this is not there on that page
04:07<jake>i'll try
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04:07<jm_>what isn't? sure it is: m-a auto-install nvidia
04:07<jake>hey i only have nvidia-kernal-*
04:08<jake>when i pressed tab its not giving me "nvidia"
04:08<jake>is that the problem?
04:09<jake>i'll do "nvidia-kernel-source" to rebuild?
04:09<jm_>just type it out and don't use tab
04:09<jake>k
04:09<jake>did
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04:10<jake>now i try modprobe nvidia?
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04:11<jake>jm_: now?
04:11<jake>build-essential is already the newest version
04:11<jake>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded
04:13<jm_>jake: did it build the new module?
04:13<jake>yes
04:14<jm_>repeat the lsmod ... ; ls command
04:14<jake>"build-essential is already the newest version"
04:14<jake>ls: /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-amd64/nvidia/nvidia.ko: No such file or directory
04:14<jake>still
04:14<jm_>so it *didn't* build anything
04:14<jm_>use -f switch
04:15<jake>-f switch
04:15<jake>with m-a a-i nvidia?
04:15<jake>like m-a a-i nvidia -f
04:16<philsf>I want to create meta-packages to ease bundle installations of preferred packages.Can anyone recommend a beginner's tutorial?
04:16<jm_>yeah with m-a
04:17<jm_>philsf: it would probably be easiest to create tasks for that
04:18<jake>did m-a a-i nvidia -f
04:18<jake>and again
04:18<jake>ls: /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-amd64/nvidia/nvidia.ko: No such file or directory
04:18<philsf>jm_: what should I read about that, then?
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04:21<jm_>philsf: man tasksel, you can stick them in /usr/local/share/tasksel/*.desc
04:21<jm_>philsf: /usr/share/doc/tasksel/README.gz
04:22<philsf>jm_: great, thanks
04:22<jake>jm_: what now?
04:22<jm_>jake: what happens when you run m-a?
04:23<jake>that blue screen does some loadings
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04:23<jm_>and does it say it succeeded?
04:23<jake>oh no
04:23<jm_>for fucks sake
04:24<Hideo>lmao
04:24<jake>it says it failed and asks me what i want to do
04:24<lukasz>hello - can anybody tell me how to add windows xp to grub menu ilst?
04:24<Hideo>and you kept saying it was built
04:24<jake>m so sorry i missed that
04:24<jm_>lukasz: don't ask yes/no questions - which version of grub?
04:25<lukasz>jm_: umm, how can i check it?
04:25<Hideo>well jake, what were the errors, what did it complain about? There are feedbacks from programs for a reason, you can't just run it and assume everything is fine
04:25<jm_>lukasz: dpkg -l|grep grub
04:26<lukasz>0.97-27
04:26<jake>Hideo: Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed! How do you wish to proceed?
04:27<jm_>for grub1 simply add it manually using chainloader
04:27<Hideo>jake: it should mention a place to look for the build log file somewhere
04:27<Hideo>check it, copy it, paste it on a paste site
04:28<jake>and is showing me the logfile.. but i cant understand ... can i paste it somewhere
04:28<jake>ya ok
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04:28<lukasz>jm_: i did it in this one too, but after I selected windows xp, i saw what i have written in the menu.lst and computer stopped booting further...
04:29<jm_>lukasz: perhaps you did it incorrectly
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04:30<lukasz>jm_: title Microsoft Windows XP
04:30<lukasz>rootnoverify (hd1,0)
04:30<lukasz>makeactive
04:30<lukasz>chainloader +1
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04:30<lukasz>jm_: damn, i forgot...
04:30<jm_>lukasz: was it hd1 when you installed it?
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04:32<lukasz>jm_; no, when I was installing windows, i switched the empty disk with the one that conained debian
04:32<jm_>lukasz: right that's why it's failing
04:33<lukasz>jm_: how can I fix it now?
04:34<jm_>lukasz: try using the map command to make it drive 0
04:35<jm_>lukasz: info grub -> Booting -> OS-specific notes -> DOS/Windows
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04:37<jake>Hideo: i cant figure out the build log file... what its showing me in the logfile is makefiles in /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv
04:38<Hideo>jake: paste it on a paste site, so jm_ and I can see it
04:38<jm_>jake: ls -lrt /var/cache/modass
04:38<jake>how do i copy this blue screen
04:38<jake>ls ok
04:38<jm_>jake: nvidia-kernel-source.buildlog*
04:38<jm_>the latest one
04:38<jake>yaya gotit
04:39<jake>just gave me
04:39<lukasz>jm_: can't find it in info-grub, but should update-grub help me?
04:39<jm_>lukasz: no, that only recreates menu.lst - install grub-doc and read it
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04:41<jake>jm_: i have so many build logfiles
04:41<jake>man i m full of problems
04:41<jake>;P
04:41<jm_>jake: that's why I said check the latest one
04:41<jake>ya
04:41<lukasz>jm_: how do i start it now? man grub?
04:41<jm_>ls -lrt /var/cache/modass | grep nvidia-kernel-source.buildlog the last one it lists
04:41<jm_>lukasz: start what?
04:42<lukasz>jm_: grub-doc
04:42<jm_>lukasz: ahh just run info grub
04:44<jake>jm_: buildlog http://rafb.net/p/otFFu828.html
04:46<lukasz>jm_: gotta check it now ;)
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04:47<jm_>jake: bb in 10
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04:47<jake>jm_: ok
04:47<jake>Hideo: ?
04:48<Hideo>?
04:48<jake>Hideo: i pasted
04:48<Hideo>oh
04:48<jake>Hideo: http://rafb.net/p/otFFu828.html
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04:49<Hideo>home come there are a bunch of weird characters I can't read
04:49<lukasz>jm_: I got "Invalid or unsupported executable format" error...
04:50<jake>Hideo: why does it fail?
04:50<Hideo>jake: first off, are you running stable?
04:51<jake>etch 2.6.24-1-amd64
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05:00<jm_>jake: you need newer version
05:01<jake>of?
05:01<jake>kernel or gcc?
05:02<jm_>nvidia driver
05:02<jake>how? i only get what apt get gives me
05:03<jake>plus i downloaded a .run frm nvidias site . can i use that?
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05:03<jm_>jake: no, get it from sid - get source package for nvidia-glx
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05:04<Hideo>may have to add unstable to your sources.list
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05:05<Hideo>jm_: how do you know he needs the new version, that log made no sense to me =P
05:06<jake>ya ii had .18 first so someone told me to upgrade to 24 and still?
05:06<jake>oh it was u jm_
05:06<jm_>jake: go to packages.debian.org, enter nvidia-glx, select unstable, you'll get a link
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05:06<Hideo>no, that's the kernel version, jake
05:06<jake>;Poh
05:06<jm_>Hideo: /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/nv.c:1327: error: too many arguments to function �kmem_cache_create�
05:08<Hideo>jm_: there won't be dependency issue from downloading nvidia-glx from unstable?
05:10<jake>in sidux the nvidia works perfectly it seems
05:10<jm_>Hideo: that's why he will get source package and built the debs for etch
05:10<jm_>build*
05:10<Hideo>oh ok
05:11<jake>nvidiia-glx_173.14.09-2_amd64.deb
05:11<jm_>no you need the source package
05:11<jm_>three files
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05:11<jake>not .deb?
05:11<jake>ok
05:11<jm_>no, .dsc .orig.tar.gz and .diff
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05:14<jake>that sites is giving debs ... from http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-glx&searchon=names&suite=unstable§ion=non-free
05:14<jake>what do i select ? the first one?
05:14<Hideo>jake: http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx toward the right
05:15<jake>k
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05:41<superlinux>jake not solved yet!!!??
05:41<jake>Hideo: *.dsc is a text file
05:41<jake>hehe no
05:42<jake>downloaded the other two
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05:42<superlinux>when u restarted X did it run?
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05:42<jake>no it seems the driver build fails
05:42<superlinux>how come??!!!
05:42<jm_>run dpkg-source -x *.dsc if you have all 3
05:42<jake>no idea
05:43<superlinux>u gave me the results, and they r fine
05:43<jake>i dunno man
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05:43<superlinux>can i ssh into ur computer?
05:43<jake>jm_: .dsc wont download man... it opens up the text page
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05:44<ata>hi
05:44<superlinux>may i?
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05:44<jake>superlinux: whats tha? remote login?
05:44<superlinux>yes
05:44<jm_>jake: wget it
05:44<jake>sure
05:44<jake>wget ok
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05:45<jake>superlinux: just give me 5 mins
05:45<superlinux>ok
05:46<jake>jm_: ya i have all three now
05:47<jm_>jake: run dpkg-source ...
05:47<jake>.diff .dsc and .orig
05:48<jake>jm_: ya did
05:48<jm_>jake: now cd into the dir and run apt-get build-depends nvidia-glx
05:50<jake>jm_: cd /home/jake/Desktop/nvid/
05:50<jake>apt-get build-dep?
05:50<jm_>no you need to cd into the dir that dpkg-source created
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05:52<jake>jm_: dpkg is for unziping right?
05:52<jake>i ve extracted the file in nvid folder. so its just .orig
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05:52<jake>and not .orig.tar.gz
05:54<jm_>no no no no nono
05:55<jm_>either do what I say or I will stop helping you
05:55<jake>i m trying to understand
05:55<infotron>you've invented a few wrong ways. listen to tha master for one of the right ways. :)
05:55<jake>that file that i downloaded disappeared and now i dont know where it is
05:56<jm_>create a temp. dir, move .dsc .orig.tar.gz and .diff file in this new dir, cd into it, run dpkg-source -x *.dsc
05:57<jake>k
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05:58<jake>hey i lost that unziped file. do i re download?
05:59<jm_>which file?
05:59<jake>the tar.gz file
05:59<jm_>yes
05:59<jake>it opened in a window that contained .orig so i extracted the file
05:59<jake>and cant find that old tar.g
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05:59<jm_>use wget to download it if your browser is too stupid to save it
05:59<jm_>check /tmp
06:00<jake>brb
06:00*Hideo sighs
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06:00<superlinux>jake so?
06:01<Hideo>it's a simple process, he can't even download the files right how is he gonna compile the modules
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06:01<superlinux>I just dont understand it... i have made nvidia run on my box
06:02<mhash>#include <jm_> /** fix all newbie issues **/
06:02<superlinux>LOL!!!!!!
06:02<superlinux>mhash: tjats really funnny
06:02<Hideo>superlinux: depends on the kernel version, architecture
06:02<superlinux>well.....
06:02<mhash>superlinux, :)
06:02<Hideo>mhash: yeah jm_ has more patience than the rest of us
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06:03<jm_>at least he's slow enough so I can do a lot of other stuff during the pauses
06:03<mhash>hahah
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06:04<superlinux>mhash: and u r the sincere guy; cannot link shared object: file not found! (sorta error)
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06:06<superlinux>guys! guys! i thibk an SSH to jake is ten times easier
06:06<superlinux>guys! guys! i think an SSH to jake is ten times easier
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06:08<KammyDoe>SuperDale; don't paste things 2x
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06:40<mtnman>helo
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06:47<KammyDoe>Goddammit
06:48<KammyDoe>Anyone here manage to get nmap working?
06:48<KammyDoe>I get a Failed to find device eth1 in /proc/net/route or something
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06:56<p0rnleecher>anyone here who might be at service to help me, i need to know how i log in. is there a shortcut key ?
06:56<jake>jm_: http://rafb.net/p/xviNT196.html
06:57<jake>superlinux:
06:58<jm_>jake: cd into the dir, run apt-get build-dep nvidia-glx
06:58<jake>k
06:59<jake>ya did
06:59<jake>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
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06:59<jm_>then run debuild -u c-us -b
06:59<jm_>debuild -uc -us -b
07:00<jake>command not found
07:00<jm_>!installit
07:00<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
07:02<jake>debuild not there in apt-get
07:02<Nemoder>devscripts
07:03<jake>i install devscripts?
07:03<jm_>or figure out how to use dpkg-buildpackage
07:03<jake>phew
07:04<jake>debuild: fatal error at line 600:
07:04<jake>cannot find readable debian/changelog anywhere!
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07:04<jake>Are you in the source code tree?
07:04<jm_>which dir are you in?
07:05<jake>the directory with tar.gz
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07:05<jm_>you're again not following what I said
07:05<jm_>you need to cd into nvidia-foo dir
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07:05<jake>k sorry
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07:06<jake>but it doesn't tell me where its unpacking
07:06<jm_>it does
07:06<jake>k i'll check again
07:06<jm_>extracting nvidia-graphics-drivers in nvidia-graphics-drivers-173.14.09
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07:07<jake>http://rafb.net/p/xviNT196.html ... where?
07:07<Nemoder>it extracts the source in a new subdir under the current directory
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07:08<jake>k
07:08<jm_>cd ~/Desktop/nvid/nvid*/
07:08<jake>ran debuild now
07:09<jake>looks like it worked
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07:09<jake>k done
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07:09<jake>now? jm_
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07:10<Nemoder>before installing the new package I recommend running that nvidia*.run file with --uninstall to make sure it's cleaned out
07:10<jm_>i think he ran that
07:10<Nemoder>k
07:10<jake>nvidia-install --uninstall?
07:10<superlinux>jake yes?
07:10<superlinux>sorry i was playing street fighter two
07:10<jm_>jake: now you need to install nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-kernel-common that it has just built
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07:11<jake>superlinux: just let me try this
07:12<jake>both it says are already installed
07:12<jake>now?
07:12<superlinux>ok
07:12<jm_>how did you try to install them?
07:12<jake>m-a a-i
07:13<jm_>no, dpkg -i
07:13<jake>should i uninstall again?
07:13<jm_>no
07:13<jake>k
07:13<jake>now?
07:14<jake>what will happen with this new package?
07:14<jm_>you will install it
07:16<jake>nothing is clear
07:16<jm_>not even your monitor's tube?
07:17<jake>i remember u made me install 10s of applications to fix my sound module and it is still like that.. but cool... i m still getting to know about them
07:17<jake>:P
07:18<jake>tell me what do i do now
07:18<jake>build debuild aptget
07:18<jake>dpkg?
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07:18<jake>mirror update? or kernel update?
07:18<Nemoder>cd ..; ls *.deb
07:18<jm_>did you install the new packages with dpkg?
07:18<jm_>no I never told you to install tens of apps for sound
07:19<jake>dpkg-source -x /home/jake/Desktop/nvid/nvidia-graphics-drivers_173.14.09-2.dsc
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07:19<jake>i did that
07:19<jake>that = line above
07:19<jm_>install the two packages I mentioned above with dpkg -i
07:19<jake>and after that i did ... apt-get build-dep nvidia-glx
07:20<jake>k
07:20<Nemoder>the debs are created in the parent dir, not the source dir
07:20<jm_>yeah cd ..
07:20<jake>k
07:22<jake>dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-source_173.14.09-2_amd64.deb ?
07:22*dpkg removes a kidney from jake and replaces it with nvidia-kernel-source_173.14.09-2_amd64.deb
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07:22<Nemoder>heh
07:22<jake>eh
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07:22<Nemoder>jake: that might fail if it depends on the kernel deb first, get a list of all the .debs in that dir and put them all on the same line
07:23<Nemoder>ie: dpkg -i file1.deb file2.deb
07:23<jake>there is only one .deb
07:23<Nemoder>oh ok
07:23<jake>oh no
07:23<jake>wait
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07:24<jm_>no that will not fail, install that and the other one I mentioned
07:24<jake>ia 32
07:24<jake>dev
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07:24<jake>is there a site to send screenshots?
07:24<jm_>yes
07:25<jake>forget it
07:25<jake>just tell me what .deb i should install
07:25<bubba>can someone examine my interfaces file, please
07:25<bubba>http://paste.debian.net/9902/
07:25<bubba>somethings wrong
07:25<jm_>i already told you which packages to install
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07:26<jake>theres kernal source , ia32, dev
07:26<jake>no kernla common .deb
07:26<jm_>i gave you exact package names, there's no dillema about it
07:26<jake>*kernel common .deb
07:26<p0rnleecher>whats the command in terminal for login ?
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07:27<jake>jake: now you need to install nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-kernel-common?
07:27<jm_>ahh you need to download nvidia-kernel-common source separately, sorry, I thought it's part of nvidia-glx
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07:27<jake>for gods sake man i m not regular in linux
07:27<gsimmons>bubba: Your #WPA network={ } section is inappropriate. This should be in a seperate file (eg. /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf) and referenced in your interfaces file via 'wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf' (for example).
07:27<jm_>so get that and run dpkg-source -x ..., build it and install it
07:27<jake>i dont remeber
07:27<p0rnleecher>....
07:27<bubba>gsimmons: isnt wpasupplicant integrated to the interfaces file in debia etch
07:28<bubba>gsimmons: http://wiki.debian.org/WPA
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07:28<Nemoder>p0rnleecher: your question doesn't make much sense, are you trying to change users?
07:28<p0rnleecher>aye
07:29<gsimmons>bubba: Yes, but only through the use of 'wpa-*' ifupdown hooks.
07:29<p0rnleecher>its a server i got...
07:29<p0rnleecher>did logout
07:29<p0rnleecher>so now i dont got any desktop or taskbar
07:29<Nemoder>p0rnleecher: you can create a new session with a different user with: su username
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07:30<Nemoder>p0rnleecher: logging out should have automaticly brought up a new login window, if not you can try /etc/init.d/gdm restart
07:30<p0rnleecher>hmm
07:31<p0rnleecher>my terminal just opens and close on the same time now
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07:32<Nemoder>p0rnleecher: perhaps your window manager crashed, you can force an X restart with ctrl-alt-backspace
07:33<p0rnleecher>nothing reboot
07:34<p0rnleecher>nothing works
07:34<petemc>p0rnleecher: you might want to put a bit more effort into wording your questions
07:34<petemc>its not entirely clear whats happening
07:34<p0rnleecher>okay...
07:35<p0rnleecher>my server is not working at the momemt did press logout like 10 mins ago.... thought the login screen would come
07:35<p0rnleecher>but nothing came
07:35<p0rnleecher>i can open the browser and the terminal and "run program"
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07:35<p0rnleecher>but the terminal wont let me restart or anything
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07:36<Nemoder>p0rnleecher: try pressing ctrl-alt-backspace, it won't reboot the servers but it will restart the interface
07:36<petemc>and ctl alt backspace or ctl alt f1 doesnt work?
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07:36<p0rnleecher>dosent work
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07:36<Nemoder>you are holding down all 3 keys?
07:37<p0rnleecher>aye
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07:37<petemc>and typing reboot into a terminal doesnt work?
07:37<bubba>gsimmosn: ok, did that, but I still dont have a connection
07:37<p0rnleecher>nop dosent work either
07:38<Nemoder>what does it say?
07:38<petemc>as root?
07:38<p0rnleecher>not as root
07:38<petemc>you need to be root
07:38<Nemoder>type: su root
07:38<Nemoder>then type reboot
07:38<p0rnleecher>aye i dont got the pass for root
07:38<p0rnleecher>bah
07:38<gsimmons>bubba: You'll need to provide more details: are you connecting to a WEP or WPA network? What does your current interfaces file look like now? What do the scripts in your pre-up and post-down commands do?
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07:40<Nemoder>p0rnleecher: if the machine has sudo setup you could try: sudo reboot
07:40<Nemoder>and enter your own password
07:40<jake>superlinux:
07:40<p0rnleecher>command not found
07:40<superlinux>jake yes
07:40<jake>please do ur ssh
07:41<jake>i m gud for nothing it seems
07:41<superlinux>p0rnleecher: yess i ama command not found! LOL!
07:41<Nemoder>jake: jm had you on the right track, you just need another source package
07:41<bubba>gsimmons: using debian etch 4.0, rtl8187b wireless usb, drivers from http://www.datanorth.net/~cuervo/rtl8187b/ interfaces file looks like: http://paste.debian.net/9904/ the post commands are for the drivers (got them from the driver author's faq page) and yes, its a wpa network on channel 5
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07:42<superlinux>jake .. gimme your ip
07:42<p0rnleecher>sh login = cannot execute binary file
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07:43<jake>one sec
07:44<Nemoder>jake: http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-kernel-source
07:44<Nemoder>jake: if you get those 3 source files and compile it the same way you did nvidia-glx then you'll have both the debs you need for the driver
07:46<Nemoder>p0rnleecher: are you accessing this server remotely?
07:46<p0rnleecher>ye
07:46<Nemoder>ah
07:46<p0rnleecher>via vnc
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07:46<Nemoder>that is why ctrl-alt-backspace didn't work
07:47<p0rnleecher>bah
07:47<p0rnleecher>so i just have to wait untill my server guy comes back ?
07:47<Nemoder>depends how vnc is setup.. have you tried just reconnecting?
07:47<p0rnleecher>yes
07:48<Nemoder>then yeah I would just wait for the owner of the machine to restart it
07:49<p0rnleecher>its funy though
07:49<p0rnleecher>i can get on the browser
07:50<Nemoder>when you issue a logout it closes the interface and terminates all processes, i'm guessing there was a process that locked up and didn't close down
07:50<Nemoder>you can run ps -A to see if there's any process you can kill
07:50<p0rnleecher>ye my torrent program did not open so i tryed to logout
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07:51<p0rnleecher>in terminal ?
07:51<Nemoder>ya
07:51<gsimmons>bubba: What kernel version are you using?
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07:51<bubba>the one that comes with etch 4.0
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07:52<jake>superlinux:
07:52<p0rnleecher>Nemoder i just got to wait untill the server dude comes....
07:52<jake>wow this is just amazing... now the fuse has gone
07:52<p0rnleecher>its fucked
07:53<jake>yes its fucked
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07:53<jake>Nemoder: can u tell me step by step please
07:53<Nemoder>jake: ok
07:53<Nemoder>jake: did you download those 3 files?
07:53<jake>thank u so much
07:53<jake>yes
07:54<gsimmons>bubba: Please also pastebin the contents of your current /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf file (obscure/omit the pre-shared key as necessary).
07:54<jake>i m on ups
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07:54<jake>5 mins
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07:54<jake>Nemoder: orig.tar.gz
07:54<bubba>gsimmons: its just the #wpa netwrk={..} wpa part from the very first file
07:54<Nemoder>jake: dpkg-source -x filename.dsc
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07:54<jake>Nemoder: diff and dsc
07:55<bubba>gsimmons: http://paste.debian.net/9902
07:55<Nemoder>jake: where filename is the .dsc for kernel source
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07:55<jake>ya did
07:55<jake>now
07:55<jake>2 mins
07:55<jake>left of ups
07:56<Nemoder>jake: perhaps you should shut down until the power comes back
07:56<jake>oh god
07:56<jake>i hate this situation i m always in x(
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07:57<jm_>it will only take 3 days to get it working
07:58<bubba>gsimmons: about the modded driver: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=27320&highlight=cuervo&sid=6513b0817f974ad4ca7a1266cc80f93d
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07:58<gsimmons>bubba: Your ESSID value (ssid=) has to be surrounded in double quotation marks, if specified as an ASCII string. Try also amending your /e/n/i to the following: http://paste.debian.net/9908
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08:00<bubba>gsimmons: /e/n/i ?
08:00<gsimmons>bubba: Shorthand for /etc/network/interfaces.
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08:00<bubba>how do I do that
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08:04<mata>hi, how do i change which program / daemons are started when booting ?
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08:05<mata>google only says something about bugs...
08:05<Nemoder>mata: man update-rc.d
08:05<mata>thx
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08:08<bubba>gsimmons: did that
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08:09<mata>Nemoder, do you know what "_System V Style_ init script links" means ?
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08:10<Nemoder>mata: they are scripts that start and stop daemons similar to unix System V
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08:10<mata>ahhh
08:11<mata>ok
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08:21<bubba>gsimmons: modified the wpa_supplicant.conf according to the example (added group=TKIP) , restarted driver and interfaces but nothing
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08:24<gizmokaka>I am trying to mount my cellular phone to download some data to my PC but cant find it
08:24<gsimmons>bubba: Note the response to "Does WPA work?" in the rtl8187b-modified driver FAQ. I'd personally try upgrading to a more recent kernel (eg. 2.6.24 from backports.org) and use the drivers from the wireless-2.6 GIT tree.
08:24<gsimmons>!tell bubba -about wireless tree
08:25<mata>thx for the help
08:25<mata>bye
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08:25<gizmokaka>how do i mount it? how do i find it to begin with?
08:26<gizmokaka>for some reason it doesn't behave like ordinary usb device
08:26<gizmokaka>when i insernt a usb stick it's a drive showing up in fdisk
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08:26<gizmokaka>easy to locate, when i plugin the headset it shows up in relevant application list
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08:26<gizmokaka>but i can't find the cellular phone drive
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08:29<chealer>gizmokaka: use lsusb
08:30<jm_>gizmokaka: also try gnokii
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08:32<gizmokaka>it doesn't show there
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08:32<gizmokaka>that is why it's so hard
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08:35<chealer>gizmokaka: which Debian suite do you use?
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08:35<gizmokaka>what do you mean?
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08:35<gizmokaka>i am now installing the gnokii
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08:38<gizmokaka>chealer, jm_, it doesn't seem gnokii will support my sonny ericsson k800i
08:38<chealer>!tell gizmokaka about debian suite
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08:39<gizmokaka>oh , if that is what you meant i am using etch
08:39<chealer>gizmokaka: please provide your dmesg
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08:41<gizmokaka>http://pastebin.com/m60b37753
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08:44<nicoRW>anybody knows something about fragmentation in ext3 filesystems? I got a 64 GB hard drive which supposedly has no free disk space left, but when I look on it with the filesize view of Konqueror it only has 30 GB used???
08:44<gizmokaka>chealer , something you see?
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08:48<weasel>nicoRW: that's not fragmentation.
08:49<weasel>nicoRW: are you sure you don't have any of the deleted files still open?
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08:49<nicoRW>how do i check that?
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08:49<weasel>lsof might tell you, or reboot, or unmount
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08:50<nicoRW>rebooted quite a lot since then
08:50<nicoRW>also tried to boot from cd with knoppix
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08:52<weasel>ran fsck lately?
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08:52<weasel>how many files are on that filesystem? and of what size? and what does du -sm say?
08:52<nicoRW>sure, twice
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08:54<nicoRW>is it normal that du -sm takes so long?
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08:55<Gekz>22:52 < saimazoon> я говорю
08:55<Gekz>GAH
08:55<Gekz>sorry
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08:56<nicoRW>du -sm -> 54130 .
08:58<weasel>looks pretty much used up then
08:58<weasel>no idea where you get your 30gb from, 55 is more like it
08:59<nicoRW>so the Konqueror way of calculating that size may be buggy?
08:59<weasel>or you do it wrong.
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08:59<nicoRW>probably the latter ;)
08:59<weasel>dotfiles?
08:59<buffoon_work>permissions?
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09:00<nicoRW>in knoppix it reads those files as if i would be root
09:01<nicoRW>okay thanks for your help, I'll gotta go and copy a lot of files to another disk... cya
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09:32<alessandra>oi
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09:38<n00b>hi people
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09:39<n00b>is it always so quiet in here ?
09:39<mcr_>no
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09:40<n00b>i'm noob to irc so why's that ?
09:40<avu>well, most people here have lives outside of IRC :)
09:41<avu>also, this is noch a chat-channel but a support channel. As long as noone asks a question, there's no need to talk.
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09:41<n00b>ok, understand that :)
09:41<n00b>but i've got quiestion
09:41<n00b>btw sorry for my english
09:42<mcr_>and whats this question? just ask... if youre lucky someone can answer
09:42<n00b>anyone got sound blaster X-FI (Xtereme Gamer) working with ALSA ??
09:42<n00b>i'm using it with OSS (i made it only with OSS) but OSS is so confiusing
09:42<avu>that's not the question you really want to ask
09:43<avu>ask about the secific problem you have setting up this soundcard using alsa
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09:44<n00b>sorry as i said i'm noob but when i'm trying to compile x-fi drivers they give me ERROR 2 (it was reported in x-fi site but without answer)
09:45<n00b>ALSA can't load modules
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09:45<NCommander>/whois jello
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09:45<gsimmons>n00b: FYI, there is currently no open-source ALSA driver available for the X-Fi. Are you attempting to use the 64-bit beta drivers from Creative?
09:46<n00b>no, the 32 bit version
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09:48<bubba>gsimmons: RTL8187B is NOT currently supported by this driver: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl8187 and this page directs you directly to the one I am trying to use :D
09:48<bubba>it should work with wpa
09:49<bubba>at least it has wpa_supplicant inside it with a tutorial on how to use it
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09:50<gsimmons>bubba: Try starting wpa_supplicant in the foreground with debugging verbosity (-d), to determine the cause of your issue.
09:51<bubba>how can I set the channel for my connection
09:51<bubba>it doesnt let with 'iwconfig wlan0 channel 5'
09:51<bubba>says its not supported
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09:54<bubba>gsimmons: I also get this error http://paste.debian.net/9921/
09:54<bubba>the first line is the command
09:55<n00b>if u mind i would have another quiestion :) which library does the gethostbyname_r come from ? i need to have that and i can't find proper library to install
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10:05<Aleric>hikaru:~>readelf -s /lib/libc-2.7.so | grep gethostbyname_r
10:05<Aleric> 685: 00000000000d9ad0 742 FUNC GLOBAL DEFAULT 11 gethostbyname_r@@GLIBC_2.2.5
10:05<Aleric>^-- n00b
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10:09<n00b>Aleric: that command came with two answers gethostbyname_r@GLIBC_2.0 and gethostbyname_r@@GLIBC_2.1.2
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10:09<Aleric>Then it's in your libc, so you need nothing.
10:10<n00b>great thank u !
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10:10<n00b>sorry for my noob-like questions
10:10<Aleric>Why did you ask it? I'd think you'd just try it and see that it worked already?
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10:12<n00b>because i'm compilig libfwbuilder and it alerts me that i don't have the gethostbyname_r func.
10:12<n00b>now i know this is because of my doubled glib library
10:12<Aleric>doubled?
10:13<Aleric>I don't think so
10:13<Aleric>Look in config.log to see what the real error was.
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10:20<n00b>thx , will check it again !
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10:22<bighornram>I moved an installed system drive to a new machine, can't ssh into it. How do I fix?
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10:25<buffoon_work>bighornram, check out the interfaces... i guess there changed something. you'll either have to tell udev it should use the new device as eth0 (or whatever it was before) or you configure the new device
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10:26<bighornram>i can access network from machine locally, and apache is accessable from network, but can't connect remotely via ssh
10:26<buffoon_work>check ssh config then
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10:27<petemc>bighornram: is ssh installed and running?
10:28<qq_>bighornram: delete the contents of .ssh/known_hosts
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10:29<lente>hi there
10:29<bighornram>it worked correctly in previous machine. (motherboard died).
10:29<qq_>bighornram: ^^^^^^
10:30<petemc>qq_: thats a bit presumptuous
10:30<scatterp>how can i connect to a windows shared folder ?
10:30<scatterp>actualy never mind i will use ftp it will be simpler
10:30<petemc>scatterp: mount -t cifs
10:31<qq_>petemc: maybe, but in practice it just works
10:32<qq_>work*
10:32<petemc>wouldnt help much if ssh wasnt running
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10:35<lente>i want to use gsoap to create a c++ file from an xml. the STL-Lib ist needed so i installed libstlport. using soap2cpp sayes **WARNING**: directive '# include <stl/_algobase.h>' ignored (use #import to import files and/or use option -i) (detected at line 73 in stl/_vector.h)
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10:40<scatterp>whats a ftp client that i can use with gui please ?
10:40<petemc>gftp
10:41<OdyX>konqueror
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10:41<scatterp>thanks
10:41<qq_>mc
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10:41<qq_>in console + gui
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10:42<norbert_>hi, I remove truecrypt with apt, but seem to be unable to reinstall it; has it been removed from non-free?
10:43<norbert_>I tried to look for its package via debian.org, but no Debian version seems to still contain it; apt tells me: "Package truecrypt is not available, but is referred to by another package."
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10:49<nubbun>What are the sources for Testing and Unstable .jigdo files?
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10:51<seblu>hello guy
10:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 356] by debhelper
10:52<seblu>when i run "tc qdisc add dev eth0 parent 1:10 pfifo_fast"
10:52-!-Hideo [~irc@lawn-128-61-23-92.lawn.gatech.edu] has joined #debian
10:52<seblu>i always have an error message like that : "qdisc 'pfifo_fast' does not support option parsing"
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10:52<seblu>you thinks it's normal ?
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10:55<norbert_>nubbun, seblu: you may want to go to irc.freenode.net #debian has 794 people in there
10:56<petemc>#lartc might be a better bet
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10:56<seblu>petemc: yes i'm trying it
10:57<seblu>norbert_: ok, i will try
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11:01<nubbun>Should freenode be made the official server for #debian?
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11:02<Hideo>why? This is the official #debian channel.
11:02<avu>nubbun, irc.debian.org has been pointing to OFTC for quite a while now
11:02<avu>nubbun, it used to be freenode
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11:03<norbert_>#ubuntu on OFTC (here) tells users: [#ubuntu] The official #Ubuntu channel can be found on: irc.freenode.net
11:03<norbert_>if #debian@OFTC is official, their (Ubuntu Servers) #debian should state a similar thing
11:04<norbert_>if they have 802 users in there and we have 341 users in here, this is hardly official anymore
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11:04<bighornram>I did apt-reconfigure openssh-server but still get connection refused when I try to ssh into it. what else to check?
11:04-!-cogwheel [~cogwheel@adsl-85-157-231-122.regionline.fi] has joined #debian
11:05<nubbun>Could we get a symlink and user limit on #debian@freenode?
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11:06<qq_>[16:28:30] <qq_> bighornram: delete the contents of .ssh/known_hosts
11:06<bighornram>;)
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11:07<petemc>qq_: that would have nothing to do with connection refused
11:07<petemc>i suspect you're a one trick pony
11:07<petemc>bighornram: did you check its running?
11:08<avu>bighornram, also see netstat -tlp output to make sure it's listening on the port you think it is
11:08<nubbun>bighornram: Are you running a firewall?
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11:11<qq_>[04:36:12] <qq> ssh is working , but authentication wont much, the .ssh/known_hosts contain the old machine *ssh keys*
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11:12<qq_>when he move the disk on a new machine
11:13<petemc>he very clearly said he gets connection refused
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11:13<Hideo>either way, that was uncalled for, the ad hominem
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11:15<petemc>Hideo: in context, it wasnt ad hominem
11:16<norbert_>debhelper has Op and is also Op in #debian@Ubuntu Servers
11:16<norbert_>I'm sure that if the Debian people really wanted this channel to be official, they could work something out with the owner(s) of the Ubuntu IRC servers
11:17<Hideo>norbert_: Ubuntu IRC Servers? wtf?
11:17<petemc>norbert_: lots of people come in here and suggest ways of "fixing" the irc channel
11:17<norbert_>Hideo: xxx.freenode.net
11:17<Hideo>norbert_: yes, freenode is not ubuntu
11:17<Hideo>ubuntu happens to have a channel on it
11:18<Hideo>irc.ubuntu.net or whatever just redirect there
11:19<norbert_>that's not my point though
11:19<petemc>!oftc move
11:19<dpkg>i guess oftc move is irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006 [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html
11:19<norbert_>I was explaining that if the Debian people really cared about making #debian@OFTC official, they could work something out; just as Ubuntu has done for #ubuntu@OFTC
11:19<bighornram>qq: that doesn't fix it
11:19<Hideo>and no, things are fine, people can choose where they want to go, let's not be pedantic
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11:20<bighornram>I get connection refused error when trying to ssh in. my known_hosts file is empty
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11:25<qq_>bighornram: may I ssh in that server (give his IP, if so )
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11:26<bighornram>is not possible to ssh through firewall from outside the network
11:26<petemc>bighornram: you seem to be ignoring me, but ill try again anyway
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11:27<petemc>check ssh is running and listening with something like netstat -puant|grep ssh
11:27<nubbun>bighornram: see syslog output for sshd. Does it report connection attempt? if not, look at packet sniffer capture (wireshark) to diagnose it.
11:27<petemc>you need to be root to use the -p option with netstat
11:28<bighornram>petemc: not ignoring you. have to go to different building to access the machine locally.
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11:28<petemc>can you telnet to port 22 of that machine?
11:29<bighornram>petemc: what is command for that?
11:29<petemc>telnet host 22
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11:30<petemc>actually, if you say connection refused, tyhen you almost cefrtainyl cant
11:30<bighornram>connection refused
11:31<Hideo>sounds like it's firewalled
11:31<petemc>or not running
11:31<Hideo>aye
11:32<Hideo>bighornram: you could always nmap it from your machine
11:32<bighornram>would not be running then. firewall not active right now
11:32<Hideo>ok then
11:33<Hideo>rush over there and start it or see what's the error in the log that stopped it from being start
11:34<bighornram>Hideo: this is a drive which was running on a different machine that broke, drive moved to new machine, boots fine, apache can be accessed but no ssh log in... rushing over right now. :)
11:35<Hideo>are you sure the drive wasn't damaged?
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11:41<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
11:42<tombs>!nvidia_post_etch
11:42<dpkg>nvidia_post_etch is, like, update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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11:49<mes>on the wiki.debian.org page, http://wiki.debian.org/LocalePurge, the title states "how to remove unnecessary locale files" but never explains how to do that on that page. am i just missing something or did someone forget the topic of the page?
11:51<fxiny>localepurge ?
11:51<fxiny>lemme see
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11:52<fxiny>mes: apt-cache show localepurge
11:52<mes>oh, alright
11:53<mes>just was thinking that something along those lines should be on the web page
11:53<fxiny>something is missing , yes
11:55<fxiny>mes: follow http://wiki.debian.org/LocalePurge?action=fullsearch&value=linkto%3A%22LocalePurge%22&context=180 and then http://wiki.debian.org/ReduceDebian?highlight=%28%28LocalePurge%29%29
11:57<mes>thanks. I wasn't specifically looking for ways to shrink my install, but am always interested in reading stuff like that. I was just looking around and saw that and noticed the LocalePage
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11:58<mes>but i'm sure i will use the links on that page.
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11:59<fxiny>localepurge is more elegant and quicker then a bruteforce rm -fr
11:59<fxiny>i don't mind rm -fr trashing locales :P
11:59<mes>i can see why
11:59<mes>heh
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11:59<p0rnleecher>guys i get an error where i try to open "iceweasel" and it says theres al ready one open... any chance i can close it in the terminal ?
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12:00<fxiny>p0rnleecher: pgrep iceweasel
12:00<Hideo>p0rnleecher: pkill firefox-bin
12:01<p0rnleecher>Hideo its not firefox
12:01<fxiny>it is
12:01<p0rnleecher>fxiny dosent work
12:01<mes>it still shows up as firefox in the ps list
12:01<mes>kill `pgrep iceweasel` maybe?
12:01<fxiny>p0rnleecher: fire iceweasel up now
12:02<p0rnleecher>yes it works
12:02<p0rnleecher>ty
12:02<fxiny>seen ? it takes time to shutdown
12:02<p0rnleecher>though it blocks a site im trying to log in too
12:03<p0rnleecher>done it for 2 days now
12:03<p0rnleecher>not cus the site are dow
12:03<nubbun>I've been told of difficulty downloading a torrent and then updating by jigdo. That jigdo doesn't recognize the ISO. Is there a workaround?
12:03<p0rnleecher>down
12:03<nubbun>mes: there is a killall command now which is easier
12:04<mes>oh, i was just guessing, i had never seen the pgrep command before and was just hypothesizing as to a possible utilization
12:04<fxiny>p0rnleecher: try changing user agent
12:04<Hideo>killall humans
12:04<p0rnleecher>how
12:04<mes>:(
12:04<fxiny>p0rnleecher: installing a user something agent extension
12:05<p0rnleecher>ok
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12:10<fxiny>p0rnleecher: its' called "user agent switcher"
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12:10<p0rnleecher>i got it
12:10<p0rnleecher>but dunno how
12:10<fxiny>p0rnleecher: can you log in now ?
12:10<p0rnleecher>i aint got root axx
12:10<fxiny>root access ?
12:10<mes>why does `sudo apt-get remove ekiga` also ask to remove the gnome-desktop-environment?
12:10<p0rnleecher>ye aint got root access
12:11<p0rnleecher>but i cant get to the site
12:11<p0rnleecher>and yes i can come inside my server now
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12:11<fxiny>p0rnleecher: try as exploder ?
12:11<p0rnleecher>?
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12:11<p0rnleecher>explore ?
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12:12<fxiny>p0rnleecher: yes , switch agent to it
12:12<p0rnleecher>you mean ie explore ?
12:12<fxiny>yes
12:12<p0rnleecher>aint got that
12:12<fxiny>p0rnleecher: you got the extension
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12:12<p0rnleecher>its a seedbox i got ... small server only with terminal and iceweasel and utorrent
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12:13<fxiny>p0rnleecher: pretend to be expolder and see what happens
12:13<mes>use the extension in iceweasel to masquerade as ie exploreer
12:13<mes>explorer*
12:13<fxiny>der*
12:13<p0rnleecher>hmmm
12:13<fxiny>sometimes it works
12:13<p0rnleecher>where i find it
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12:15<mes>hmmmm... didn't think to consider restarting iceweasel would restart chatzilla.... should have expected so.
12:16<mes>did anyone answer my inquiry as to apt-get regarding ekiga while i was disconnected?
12:16<fxiny>chatzilla ?
12:16<mes>just wanting to make sure i didn't miss something
12:17<mes>an irc extension for firefox
12:17*fxiny shudders
12:17<mes>heh
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12:17<mes>i probably should at least switch to xchat
12:17<mes>if not something else
12:17<Hideo>mes: you should try out irssi
12:17<fxiny>what ? do the long jump : irssi
12:17<mes>heh
12:17<mes>i think in my early *nix days i tried it once, didn't last very long
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12:19<mes>so. anyone know what i can do to get rid of ekiga without getting rid of gnome-desktop-environment?
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12:20<petemc>mes: thats just a meta package so i wouldnt worry about it
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12:21<mes>oh, so when i remove it would just mean that i don't have everything that's installed with that meta-package?
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12:22<petemc>something like that
12:22<mjk>The Testing netboot.tar.gz complains about "No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive." -- I probably could install Debian Stable and then update to Testing, but isn't there a netboot.tar.gz that works out of the box for a Testing installation?
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12:23<mes>if it breaks, i leave you to feel the guilt of being wrong
12:23<mes>and other than that, i thank you for your assistance
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12:23<mes>:D
12:23<petemc>np
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12:24<mes>worked fine and gnome is still running, so i feel satisfied.
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12:32<mjk>Errr ... forget it, folks. I had the link pointing to an old version of netboot.tar.gz. Sorry for the WOB. :-/
12:34<mes>switching to irssi now... brb
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12:35<mes>aaaand, back
12:36<Hideo>mes: time for the customization to begin
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12:37<mes>like what? i'm pretty comfortable with the defaults so far
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12:38<Hideo>if that makes you happy =), most people would customize it alot though
12:38<mes>what kind of customizations do you have on yours?
12:38<Hideo>type /set to see all the settings
12:39<mes>yeah, i'm currently at the irssi.org site look at stuff, but nothing really seems all that important for me to change... i'm rarely on IRC as it is
12:39<Hideo>you can also get the themes from there too
12:39<mes>i figure as i'm about to enter college, it'd be a good place for me to get comfortable again. that and i would like to talk to others using debian and such
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12:42<fxiny>mes: while in irssi add some supercow powers : apt-cache show bitlbee
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12:43<mes>interesting... how would bitlbee work? would it be another client? or an extension
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12:44<fxiny>mes: a gw you connect irssi to
12:44<mes>hmmm
12:44<fxiny>mes: i have it in a vserver ;)
12:45<mes>why?
12:45<fxiny>just for fun . i can connect my long time jailed irssi to it : veri weird ;)
12:45<fxiny>very*
12:45<mes>ah. coolio
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12:46<fxiny>mes: this is what a user can do with debian : debian rocks
12:46<mes>well duh
12:47<mes>debian is the only gnu/linux system i've ever gotten comfortable with and have no reason to try anything else
12:47<fxiny>that's it
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12:48<mes>i've used *buntu's to help other people in my house get used to gnu/linux, but have happily nuked those off my computer and gone back to debian... they don't know the difference
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12:48<fxiny>mes: and screen , do you know screen ?
12:48<mes>nope
12:49<fxiny>mes: screen is one of the best app ever
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12:50<fxiny>mes: i have irssi ,xmms2 and rtorrent always running in a screen session
12:50<mes>i can't really see an advantage for my using it... but that's just after reading apt-cache show screen
12:52<fxiny>mes: i'll show you one : now i'm on fluxbox
12:52<mes>i love fluxbox
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12:53<fxiny>mes: and now i'm on wmii
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12:53<fxiny>fxiny: music playing and rtorrent downloading
12:53<mes>hmmmm
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12:54<mes>i'll look at it some... can't tell if i'd find it usefull yet
12:55<fxiny>mes: screen is a sysadmin app , but is so good users can enjoy it :)
12:55<mes>sounds about right
12:55<fxiny>same for debian
12:55<mes>what kind of isolation is there between screens?
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13:00<mes>well, i'm off to my other job. later, chaps
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13:44<hellfire>How can I capture the output, linux does on bootup? (for example in a textfile )
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13:45<fxiny>hellfire: less /etc/default/bootlogd
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13:47<hellfire>fxiny: thanks!
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13:47<fxiny>hellfire: np . logs are in /var/log/boot
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13:59<Dark-PyRo>hi, I have a quick question, this may be the best place to ask it
13:59<Dark-PyRo>is anyone having problems with the bind9 security updated released just now?
14:00<Dark-PyRo>after I received the DSA i did apt-get update, apt-get upgrade but the packages weren't on the server yet
14:01<Dark-PyRo>the packages are now there, but security.debian.org still answers 404 to APT (even after update/clean)
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14:01<ameyer>they often release the DSA significantly after the packages, in my experience
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14:02<Dark-PyRo>yes, that's usually the case, but this time I think the packages might not have been on the server when the DSA was released
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14:02<el1ip3s01d>Hello everyone?
14:02<Dark-PyRo>the packages are now there, but the server itself seems to be returning some cached 404 response
14:03<Dark-PyRo>el1ip3s01d: hi
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14:03<el1ip3s01d>Forks, how do i install experimental Gnash on Debian Etch?
14:04<el1ip3s01d>Hi Dark and Jewel...:-0
14:05<el1ip3s01d>Do any of you know how to install Gnash -v 0.8.3-2 on Debian Etch amd64?
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14:07<knoppix_>Hi
14:08<knoppix_>Hallo
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14:08<el1ip3s01d>Hi knoppix
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14:16<ajcc>Hello. Is there anyway I can replace the unprintable default helvetica font with another one?
14:16<ajcc>When printing to postscript I get unreadble printouts, and I've figured out that it's the font
14:17<ajcc>One pages using "sans-serif" I get perfect printouts
14:17<ajcc>This is from Iceweasel
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14:28<blarson>ajcc: iceweasel should have some option in its preferences menus, but I don't know where.
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14:29<blarson>You may just try changing the font for display and see if that affects printing.
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14:42<weld>!lame
14:42<dpkg>Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/
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14:45<RAS>Hola!
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14:45<RAS>Tengo problemas con la configuracion de video, alguien me podra ayudar
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14:46<Hideo>!es
14:46<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:46<RAS>ok
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14:51<neal>wondering if anyone here has installed etch-4.0-r3.amd64 on a server with a large raid array...over 4tb. For some reason grub does not want to install on such a large volume
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15:09<LieZ^>is there a command to install every library out there?
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15:10<jthomas>How can I create seperate user accounts which only have control over certain printers in CUPS? (cupsys 1.3.6-lenny)
15:11<WaY_>hello
15:11<WaY_>what is the command for purging a package with configuration files also?
15:11<Dark-PyRo>apt-get --purge remove packagename
15:11<Torsten_W>LieZ^: apt-get install $(apt-cache --names-only search lib | awk '{print $1}')
15:11<jthomas>apt-get remove --purge <packagename>
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15:11<mastroquet>aptitude purge packagename, too
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15:12<LieZ^>thnx do i need to change anything in that :S
15:12<LieZ^>?
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15:13<Torsten_W>LieZ^: why you should?
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15:16<LieZ^>no reason i thought i may have to add something where its says --names
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15:20<LieZ^>hey torsten it came up E: broken packages
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15:21<mikegrb>sid isn't in some sort of freeze is it?
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15:21*mikegrb hasn't seen any difs in the index for about four or five days, maybe my mirror is broken?
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15:24<wnd>mikegrb, I received some ~80 diffs even though I last run "aptitude update" last night
15:24<wnd>plus some for experimental
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15:34<Blacker47>hello, I read about bug in GNU libc stub resolver and ask me, if I could be also affected. If I only a "stupid" user, could I be affected?
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15:35<tombs>does anyone runs wordpress? I just installed and I cannot find it to start
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15:36<mikegrb>wnd: thanks, will switch mirrors then if things don't change in the next 24 hrs or so
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15:41<Pepper>Hi! Is it ok that 130.89.175.54 is not answering for security.debian.org?
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15:42<lucca>kevbo: please do not do that
15:42<kevbo>sorry
15:42<Dark-PyRo>Pepper: hi, I mentioned it in #debian-security just now
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15:43<Pepper>Dark-PyRo: any answers yet?
15:43<Dark-PyRo>apparently the machine as at University of Twente, NL, and their entire network seems to be down
15:43<Dark-PyRo>or, disconnected from the Internet
15:43<Dark-PyRo>at least partly
15:43<Pepper>thx.
15:43<Dark-PyRo>if you're wanting to apt-get update...
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15:43<Dark-PyRo>if you leave it for about a minute it should attempt to connect to a different server automatically
15:44<Pepper>btw: what are the exact steps to use bind9 resolver?
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15:44<petemc>aptitude install bind9
15:44<Pepper>isn't aptitude install dnsutils enought?
15:44<petemc>no
15:45<Pepper>it's using the liblwres9
15:46<petemc>my understanding was you need bind9 installed to use the bind9 resolver, perhaps you know better than me
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15:53<adii>good evening
15:53<adii>i was wondering : i've got a wifi card (atheros chipset, working with madwifi). Is there a way to use a netinstall cdrom with wifi ?
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15:55<norbert_>I have a question, is there any way to get truecrypt for Debian stable without compiling the sources?
15:55<bubba>has anyone gotten rtl8187b working with native drivers?
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15:56<mtnman>norbert_: well trucrypt will not appear in an official archive due to licensing
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15:59<kevbo>Has anyone here ever messed with Nagios in a production environment?
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15:59<petemc>i use it
15:59<petemc>i dont find setting it up much fun, tho
15:59<kevbo>heh, yeah I'm doing that right now
16:00<kevbo>How do you organize your hosts?
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16:02<norbert_>okay, I understand that truecrypt will not appear in an official archive due to licensing, but is there any way to get truecrypt for Debian stable without compiling the sources?
16:02<petemc>kevbo: i just have one big hosts.cfg file with meaningful names
16:03<petemc>norbert_: googling for truecrypt debian package shows lots of hits
16:03<mtnman>norbert_: i think you should refer that question to your favorite search engine and/or the truecrypt site
16:04<kevbo>petemc: I think I am going to create different hostgroups connected to services
16:04*mtnman notes that irc is *not* a substute for a search engine
16:04<mtnman>substitute even
16:05<kevbo>petemc: eg. hostgroup apache_hosts for Apache servers
16:05<norbert_>I've looked on their website and I've used several search engines; I know it used to be a Debian archive and I know Google gives many hits; but the question remains the same
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16:05<petemc>kevbo: sounds standard enough
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16:06<mtnman>norbert_: petemc said he found lost of hits using google.
16:06<kevbo>petemc: Trying to make sure I don't paint myself into a corner 60 hosts down the line ;-)
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16:06<norbert_>mtnman: give me a random subject
16:07<mtnman>?
16:07<petemc>truecrypt debs
16:07<mtnman>or "deb"
16:07<mtnman>(matches debs/debian/.deb, etc
16:08<mtnman>norbert_: i suspect if you have trouble using a search engine, that truecrypt will be a challenge.
16:08<norbert_>that's really helpful, those remarks
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16:10<mtnman>norbert_: take is for what it is worth
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16:11<Core2Duo>Hello
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16:11<Core2Duo>what is the command to assign a user to a new group so that the new group is the only group they are in?
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16:13*mtnman hands Core@Duo "man adduser"
16:14<Core2Duo>I am sure u know how to do it. I am in a fix right now, I just need the command. I am not that good at understanding "man".
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16:15<avu>Core2Duo, give a man a fish..
16:15<Core2Duo>the user exists already, so I do not want to remove and add it cos i have setup too much stuff for the user.
16:15<avu>Core2Duo, adduser is still the right command
16:15<Dark-PyRo>actually, adduser user group, would add the user to the group
16:15<norbert_>Core2Duo: edit /etc/group
16:15<Core2Duo>yes, all I need is the fish right now.
16:15<Dark-PyRo>but not remove them from existing groups
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16:15<avu>Dark-PyRo, oy :)
16:16<norbert_>Core2Duo: just remove the user's name from the groups you don't want him or her in
16:16<mtnman>Core@Duo i'm not here to look up manpages for you and spoon feed you the options. don't be lazy
16:16<Core2Duo>Dark-PyRo: Would it remove them from the old group they were in?
16:16<Dark-PyRo>I don't think it does?
16:16<kevbo>Core2Duo: It shouldn't
16:16<avu>Dark-PyRo, man 5 group, man 5 passwd
16:16<avu>erm
16:17<avu>Core2Duo, ^
16:17<norbert_>Core2Duo: just edit /etc/group, remove the user's name everywhere you don't want it
16:17<norbert_>Core2Duo: that's a quick fix
16:17<norbert_>Core2Duo: if you want to know more, read all the man pages of the world
16:17<avu>norbert_, well, looks like he wants to change the user's primary group
16:17<Core2Duo>mntman: I just need help from those who have used the command b4. I was in yo position, I would give u the command if I had previously successfully used it. That should be the purpose for an irc channel, other wise we don;t need to be here if all we get as solutions are "Check with Google, read the manpages".
16:17<mtnman>groups user will tell you all the groups the user is currently a member of
16:17<avu>norbert_, editing /etc/group won't do him much good there
16:17<avu>!u
16:17<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
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16:18<norbert_>Core2Duo, you are totally right
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16:18<avu>no, he isn't
16:18<norbert_>he is
16:18<mtnman>core2duo i would use "groups user" then delete him from all the groups except the one i want him in. adduser user group to add him
16:19<avu>good IRC channels help you help yourself
16:19<norbert_>not everybody wants to become a sysop, some people just want to use their machine
16:19<avu>they point you to the right manpages to read
16:19<mtnman>core2duo this channel is not meant to be a replacement for reading docs, but a supplement to it.
16:19<mtnman>!rtfm
16:19<dpkg>[rtfm] Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.]
16:19<Core2Duo>thank you mtnman:
16:20<mtnman>norbert_ reading docs is part of using debian. else you could try ubuntu or something else.
16:20<maxb__>reading docs is part of using a computer
16:20<avu>reading docs is part of using any type of complicated device efficiently and without pissing the "experts" in your reach off really
16:21<norbert_>if a user has to read docs, the application or system has failed
16:21<kevbo>Reading docs is helpful for any form of Unix/Linux, even Ubuntu :-)
16:21<Core2Duo>you sound human, cursing dpkg, thanks for the tip. The word "fucking" has become such a cliche, thanc to that. ;)
16:21<Dark-PyRo>Yes but surely when people ask question in the IRC channel, it may be a sign of certain docs not being so effective.
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16:21<mtnman>norbert_ no
16:21<avu>norbert_, that's so profoundly wrong that I am just going to ignore you. thanks for making clear how clueless you are.
16:21<Xenguy>Core2Duo: cursing will always be in fashion ;-)
16:21<mtnman>norbert_ all complicated systems require study to understand them
16:22<norbert_>systems shouldn't be complicated
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16:22<maxb__>Look, anyway, the best thing to do here is to check what groups the user is in, and use adduser and deluser to manipulate their memberships
16:22*kevbo agrees with Dark-PyRo, to a certain degree
16:22<mtnman>norbert_ you are a simpleton if you think that is the case
16:22<norbert_>I do think that's the case
16:23<bubba>has anyone gotten rtl8187b working with native drivers?
16:23<Xenguy>when designing, keep it simple/elegant ... period :-)
16:23<mtnman>!norbert
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16:23<mtnman>norbert_ go ahead and try to use truecrypt w/o reading docs :D
16:24<petemc>heh
16:24<norbert_>I won't, because truecrypt isn't ready for users yet
16:24<maxb__>Incidentally, if you really really want to overwrite the entire supplementary groups list of a user, 'usermod -G' IIRC
16:24<norbert_>it's ready for geeks
16:24<Dark-PyRo>Is computer security ever going to be 'ready' for users?
16:24<norbert_>sure, when it's installed by default
16:24<petemc>filevault in osx is fairly easy to use
16:24<norbert_>and really, really easy to use
16:24<norbert_>as hushmail does it
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16:25<Dark-PyRo>Surely the case with some software, especially security software, is that the human can become the weak link and a certain amount of training/education is necessary.
16:25<Core2Duo>where is the log for this channel?
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16:25<petemc>Core2Duo: there is no official log
16:25<Core2Duo>cool
16:25<kevbo>Security isn't always Plug-n-Play
16:25<Xenguy>excellent answer
16:25<mtnman>s/can\ become/is/
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16:26<mtnman>security is a process... not a product. ever hear that before?
16:26<petemc>its almost platitudinal
16:26<mtnman>!dict platitudinal
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16:26<dpkg>Dictionary 'platitudinal' dull and tiresome but with pretensions of significance or originality; "bromidic sermons"
16:27<mtnman>i was quoting someone more knowledgeable than myself.
16:27<petemc>i wasnt impugning you
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16:28<mtnman>petemc: ok, just trying to show off your vocabulary? :D
16:28<Dark-PyRo>!dict impugne
16:28<dpkg>could not find definition for impugne
16:28<petemc>no e
16:29<Dark-PyRo>!dict impugn
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16:29<dpkg>Dictionary 'impugn' (1 of 3): attack as false or wrong.
16:29<petemc>english is a very rich language, why not use it
16:29<mtnman>petemc i was not impugning you either :)
16:29<dartmei>!dict attack
16:29<petemc>:)
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16:29<norbert_>dartmei: :)
16:29<dpkg>Dictionary 'attack' (2 of 20): (Fencing) A tap or stamp of the foot as a warning of intent to attack; -- called also {attack}. [Webster 1913 Suppl.] ;; (military) an offensive against an enemy (using weapons); "the attack began at dawn" .
16:29<Xenguy>impugne = good word
16:29<Dark-PyRo>The English language breaks the "Once and only once" principle
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16:30<petemc>at least its not pleonastic
16:30<petemc>much
16:30<Dark-PyRo>!dict .*
16:30<dpkg>could not find definition for .*
16:30<kevbo>OK, I'll bite....
16:30<kevbo>!dict pleonastic
16:30<dpkg>Dictionary 'pleonastic' (1 of 2): repetition of same sense in different words; "`a true fact' and `a free gift' are pleonastic expressions"; "the phrase `a beginner who has just started' is tautological"; "at the risk of being redundant I return to my original proposition"- J.B.Conant .
16:30<mtnman>ok playing with the bots is best done in #debian-bots
16:31<kevbo>Sorry
16:31<Xenguy>interesting tho
16:31<norbert_>!dict tautology
16:31<dpkg>Dictionary 'tautology' (2 of 5): (logic) a statement that is necessarily true; "the statement `he is brave or he is not brave' is a tautology" ;; useless repetition; "to say that something is `adequate enough' is a tautology".
16:31<Xenguy>norbert_: endless loop
16:31<Xenguy>norbert_: or 1 loop anyway :-)
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16:32<kevbo>well, it
16:32<kevbo>it's been fun
16:32<kevbo>see you later
16:32<LieZ^>anyone ever installeed rtorrent?
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16:32<norbert_>LieZ^: for me it's ktorrent all the way
16:32<mes>i was talking to somone in here earlier who was using it
16:32<norbert_>LieZ^: great client, check it out
16:33<mes>fxiny i think was his name
16:33<LieZ^>ive tried it i like deluge too
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16:33<LieZ^>bit unstable but ah well
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16:34<fxiny>what ?
16:34<qq586>hi
16:34<mes>i was mentioning that i remembered your using of rtorrent
16:34<mes>LieZ^ was asking about it
16:35<fxiny>LieZ^: what's the problem ?
16:35<LieZ^>i created a .rtorrent.rc config file in my home dir, and now its disappeared any ideas? :S
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16:37<bubba>has anyone gotten rtl8187b working with native drivers?
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16:37<fxiny>LieZ^: try again and make sure the path is correct : ~/.rtorrent.rc
16:38<ffws|hathe>LieZ^: try ls -al
16:38<LieZ^>i tried to create another .rtorrent.rc file and it says its in use ill ls
16:39<norbert_>LieZ^: also, try $ find ~ -name '.rtorrent*'
16:39<fxiny>LieZ^: is a dot file : ls ~/.rtorr*
16:39<LieZ^>oh
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16:40<fxiny>LieZ^: btw what rtorrent version are you running ?
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16:40<Core2Duo>So what do you do on this channel?
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16:40<LieZ^>0.8.2 mate
16:40<fxiny>me ?
16:41<LieZ^>yer
16:41<LieZ^>oh
16:41<fxiny>Core2Duo: i am the only official assistant guru :P
16:41<fxiny>heheeheh
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16:42<LieZ^>it was definately there the .rc file i launched it from bash but i cant see why its not visible
16:42<LieZ^>in hom
16:42<LieZ^>home
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16:42<fxiny>is not the only one
16:43<fxiny>man ls
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16:45<fxiny>mes: running screen ?
16:45<mes>not currently, i'm running openbsd at the moment and haven't had a chance to install screen
16:45<Hideo>traitor!
16:46<Hideo>=P
16:46<mes>heh
16:46<mes>openbsd and debian are really the only operating systems i'm comfortable with
16:46<mes>and you can't argue with the security of openbsd
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16:46<Hideo>yeah, no debate about that
16:48<fxiny>ohh f* bind problems . i bet sysadmins are busy ;)
16:48<mes>lol, makes me glad i'm not in their position
16:49<fxiny>i'm having headeache just reading the second mail :P
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16:51<fxiny>it looks worse then ssh
16:52<fxiny>redirecting ...
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16:55<mes>time to go home :D i'll be back later.
16:55<Core2Duo>I used some instruction from howtoforge to create chrooted users, unfortunately the users are chrooted in to the same folder. They canot get out, but they can see each other. How do I lock them one folder more so they are locked into their own folders?
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16:57<Core2Duo>anyone?
16:57<Core2Duo>I used some instruction from howtoforge to create chrooted users, unfortunately the users are chrooted in to the same folder. They canot get out, but they can see each other. How do I lock them one folder more so they are locked into their own folders?
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16:59<maxb__>Core2Duo: You're unlikely to get an answer, because practically speaking, you're limiting your audience to people who've also read that howto.
16:59<maxb__>Anyone else won't know enough background to have a hope of helping
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17:00<LieZ^>oh noes rtorrent wont launch
17:01<Core2Duo>assuming that u know that I have that system setup, is there a hack I could use to create the extra lock?
17:01<Core2Duo>oh you want to see the howto?
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17:02<Core2Duo>thanks anyway
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17:03<LieZ^>ive installed rtorrent but when i go to launch 'rtorrent' i get could not lock session directory: "/root/.rtorrent/" no such file or directory
17:04<LieZ^>any ideas?
17:04<fxiny>root ?
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17:04<LieZ^>yer lol
17:04<Hideo>don't ever run unneccessary apps as root
17:04<LieZ^>im lazy
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17:04<LieZ^>ok ill create user
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17:05<Hideo>I betcha you're using irc as root right now, aren't you?
17:06<LieZ^>lol nah im administering a remote box
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17:07<LieZ^>is there a change user comand?
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17:07<Hideo>so you ssh in as root?
17:07<LieZ^>yer
17:07<akaladis>:S
17:07<LieZ^>lol not good?
17:08<akaladis>at all
17:08<Hideo>please tell me you also used basic root password for ssh so I can crack your box
17:08<LieZ^>lucky i havent had any fatal errors then
17:08<akaladis>to change the user... just type login
17:08<dartmei>you could always su to another user, couldn't you?
17:09<Hideo>yes
17:09<akaladis>but stop logging in a root via ssh
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17:09<akaladis>login as normal user, then become root with su whenever needed
17:09<LieZ^>ahhh thankyou for that im still learning the little nooks
17:09<LieZ^>in as the other user now
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17:10<akaladis>and if at all possible put a big man with a gun in front of the ssh port :P
17:10<fxiny>same passwd ? :P
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17:11<LieZ^>so can someone correct me please, so i pretty much dont need to install anything as root? ive installed VNC and an ftp server
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17:11<LieZ^>as root
17:11<fxiny>that's the only thing you got right
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17:11<akaladis>you do need to be root to install thing (outside of your home of course)
17:11<Hideo>to install and configure services you need to be root
17:12<LieZ^>oh ye so basically the only thing i done wrong was running rtorrent as root?
17:12<Hideo>however to run unimportant things like rtorrent, you don't need root
17:12<akaladis>but running an irc client or a bittorrent client as root is just asking for trouble
17:12<Hideo>LieZ^: yes
17:12<LieZ^>ahh thanks
17:12<LieZ^>lol im on a totally different machine running irc
17:12<akaladis>just an example :)
17:12<LieZ^>:)
17:13<maxb__>To put it another way, never be root just to *use* a computer, only be root to make systemwide changes to it
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17:14<akaladis>btw.... i saw an update to hotkey-setup....
17:14<akaladis>wants to change from discover1 to discover v2
17:15<akaladis>has anybody done this upgrade?
17:15<akaladis>even with dist-upgrade it's being held back...
17:15<akaladis>makes me wonder why :)
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17:16<Hideo>LieZ^: as for rtorrent, you will probably have to create a .rtorrent.rc file in the home directory of the user who runs it
17:16<Hideo>LieZ^: I don't have a .rtorrent directory and it runs fine
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17:22*Xenguy wishes there was a blocklist solution for rtorrent...
17:23<Hideo>I wish dht would be in the version of rtorrent in Debian already
17:23<Xenguy>hrm, really
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17:23<Hideo>it's in the unstable rtorrent on their website, but not in debian yet
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17:23*Xenguy nods...
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17:30<meandtheshell1>anyone knows a repo where I can get .debs for http://www.cipherdyne.org/fwknop/ ?
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17:32<LieZ^>oops was installing stuff yes i can now run it as my other user but not as root apparently its a locked directory or something
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17:33<maxb>It's seldom worth bothering looking for a repo if the project doesn't advertise one of its own. Just install manually
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17:48<dartmei>wow, that's nuts.. I just noticed a "GNU.Gettext.dll" ms-dos executable in my /usr/lib
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17:56<Barbo>pt-BR aqui?
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17:56<Barbo>algum usuário do BigLinux?
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17:58<streuner>!br
17:58<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:00<Barbo>tks
18:00<Barbo>some BigLinux user here?
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18:01<kop>I've a 2 part question. How do I tell X what framebuffer to use? The framebuffer.txt file in the kernel docs say to set an env var, FRAMEBUFFER to /dev/fbN, but there are no /dev/fb* devices. Second, I've (obviously) got more than one video card. How do I set which one is used for the console(s)?
18:02<kop>I'm runnin etch.
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18:55<newsense>hi
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19:03<newsense>whats debians alternative to macromedia flash player ?
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19:04<witte>!flash
19:04<dpkg>well, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
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19:04<Hun>opa
19:04<newsense>thanks qitte
19:04<newsense>err witte
19:05<newsense>forgot bout the bot, been a while since i had a computer
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19:11<Manager>Hello people
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19:14<newsense>wassup
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19:16<Manager>nothing really, decided join Debian's channel ;)
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19:17<Manager>os[Linux 2.6.18-6-k7 i686] distro[Debian 4.0] cpu[1 x Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3300+ @ 2.00GHz] mem[Physical : 503MB, 51.7% free] disk[Total : 74.12GB, 10.40% Free] video[ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility X700] sound[]
19:17<Manager>Oh, have a problem with direct rendering on my videocard
19:17<Hun>algum brasileiro?
19:18<witte>!br
19:18<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:18<witte>Manager: do you use the open source drivers or the closed source drivers
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19:18<witte>!fglrx
19:18<dpkg>well, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary See also <radeon>.
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19:20<Manager>First of all I've try compiz with opensource drivers, but speed of video(windows movement) was some slow, than installed proprietary drivers so now I don't have direct rendering...
19:20<Manager>I'm from Ukraine, sorry for my English :/
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19:21<Manager>(EE) fglrx(0): XMM failed to open CMMQS connection.
19:21<Manager>(II) fglrx(0): XMM failed to initialize!
19:21<Manager>(WW) fglrx(0): Option "VendorName" is not used
19:21<Manager>(WW) fglrx(0): Option "ModelName" is not used
19:21<Manager>(II) fglrx(0): Direct rendering disabled
19:21-!-Manager was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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19:22<Manager>Sorry :)
19:22<Manager>Where is paster bot?
19:22<witte>!past
19:22<dpkg>well, past is you can also join #flood
19:22<witte>!pastebin
19:22<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
19:23<witte>better use a pastebin, and not the flood channel
19:23<Manager>Ok, I got it
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19:26<Manager>Here's my log
19:26<Manager>http://pastebin.ca/1066024
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19:31<witte>Manager: there is an error line in your log
19:31<witte>Manager: i don't have a ati and i am not directly familiar with that error, did you google for it (error is on line 708)
19:32<Manager>line 742
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19:33<Manager>Not googled yet, I thought first ask here :)
19:34<witte>Manager: yes, but the first error that occurred is not on line 742, but: (EE) fglrx(0): atiddxDriScreenInit failed, GPS not been initialized.
19:35<dartmei>you might want to do a "modprobe fglrx" first
19:35<Manager>Oh, now I see, thanks, I'll try to google it
19:36<Manager>dartmei, FATAL: Module fglrx not found.
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19:37<witte>!fglrx one-liner
19:37<dpkg>To install fglrx, first make sure you have contrib and non-free sources in your sources.list (ask me about <non-free sources>). Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
19:38<Manager>Thanks man!
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19:40<Manager>!non-free sources
19:40<dpkg>methinks non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
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19:48<turtle>so, who likes aim?
19:48<mes>aol instant messenger?
19:48<turtle>yeah
19:48<mes>it's okay. but i only say that because it was the first protocol i used to chat
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19:49<turtle>word
19:49<turtle>when is skype going to go cellular to the US?
19:49<turtle>has anyone heard?
19:49<mes>i haven't heard
19:50<turtle>I see
19:50<mes>but i may be wrong in thinking this, but don't some newer cell phones have it?
19:50<mes>like the iphone
19:50<turtle>iphone is heavy and fragile
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19:50<turtle>I just want to make regular calls
19:50<turtle>but they are "cool"
19:50<mes>yeah
19:51<mes>my sister has one... i couldn't make myself use one
19:51<turtle>Man, I've been in Japan for 5 years and I have no idea what cell phones are like in the us
19:51<mes>heh. i understand
19:51<turtle>I went to CA on vacation and a friend had got a iphone right after they came out
19:51<mes>do they have flying cars over there yet?
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19:52<turtle>yeah.......
19:52<turtle>oh wait........no
19:52<mes>:p, i wouldn't be surprised
19:52<turtle>me either
19:52<turtle>they do have lots of cool stuff though
19:52<dartmei>they'd need a catchier name though
19:52<dartmei>like supermega-car
19:52<turtle>perfect
19:52<mes>yeah, kinda wish i could check it out first hand... but i couldn't afford it if my life depended on it
19:53<mes>i'd drive one of those
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19:53<turtle>come to japan an teach english for a year and move back
19:53<mes>i couldn't afford to get there
19:53<turtle>it pays 30k+ for first timer
19:53<mes>except by walking or swimming
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19:53<turtle>you get the job before you come over
19:53<turtle>apply online
19:54<turtle>that's how everyone comes over
19:54*mes <-- about to attend college as a freshman in the fall
19:54<turtle>well, you need a BA in most places to do what I was talking about
19:54<mes>yeah
19:54<turtle>so maybe when you get out
19:54<mes>i figured
19:54-!-Sey [cris@82-38-31-70.cable.ubr01.brad.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #debian
19:55<turtle>most people are fresh college grads
19:55-!-tatotat [~tato@190.87.98.21] has joined #debian
19:55<turtle>it's like on long party though, for real
19:55<mes>yeah... they're the ones who want to go to Japan the most
19:55<turtle>yep
19:55<mes>all the fresh IT guys straight out of college
19:55<mes>go check out the newest devices first hand
19:56<turtle>Yeah, Akihabara is dope like that
19:56<turtle>they have all the fly gear
19:56<turtle>although, some guy went crazy and plowed down a bunch a people and then got out and started stabbing them
19:56<turtle>that happened a little while ago
19:56<mes>i think i heard about something like that
19:57<mes>crazy stuff
19:57<turtle>man.............I was headed there that day..............
19:57<turtle>glad I didn't go
19:57<mes>o.O scary
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19:57<turtle>it was by my favorite store too!
19:57<turtle>anyways..................
19:57<turtle>is everyone here a debian pure user?
19:58<Sey>This is annoying me as i have done it with a few files, and it will most likely be an insanly easy solution. I have apt-get install bittorrent bittorrent-gui so i can get my torrent on. Except ... I cant find it. I have run a search in filesystem, i have tried using the command si can think of to launch the app vi terminal, its not in programs that can open a .torrent file. Can anyone help me please?
19:58<mes>define 'debian pure user'
19:58<turtle>sure, what os are you using?
19:58<mes>exclusively use debian?
19:58<turtle>and desktop
19:59<turtle>Sey? OS and desktop?
19:59<Sey>Turtle, debian and .. gnome i believe
19:59<turtle>ok, what did you try to install?
19:59<turtle>just regular bittorrent?
19:59<Sey>bittorrent and bittorrent-gui using : apt-get install bittorrent bittorrent-gui
20:00<turtle>brb.......
20:00<mes>have you tried man bittorrent-gui?
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20:01<Sey>'No manual entry for bittorrent-gui' apparently
20:01<turtle>yeah, just confirmed no man
20:01<Sey>yes turtle, just regulat bittorrent
20:02<mes>thats right
20:02<mes>i just remembered something
20:02<mes>to run it, it's a different name
20:02<mes>i think
20:02<qq586>Sey: have you seen the bug of bittorrent ?
20:03<Sey>oh, so i just dont have the right command? qq586 What bug?
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20:04<qq586>apparently bittorrent right now has a bug ,
20:04<dartmei>you should probably check your /etc/apt/sources.list to see why it's not installing, because it seems you have the package name right ( http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=bittorrent-gui )
20:05<Sey>its been apt-get'ed and apparently installed. i just cant launch it. Dont know if its disabled or i just done know the command
20:05<dartmei>ahh
20:06<turtle>I heard of that and I could never get bittorrent to work myself
20:06<mes>its run by calling btdownloadgui
20:06<mes>/usr/bin/btdownloadgui
20:06<turtle>I just tried again and it's afu
20:06-!-sws [~suehring@24-197-255-185.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com] has joined #debian
20:06<turtle>try vuze/azureus
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20:06<mes>transmission works well for me
20:07<turtle>true, transmission is fine
20:07<Sey>transmission works, its just the file selection and abilities lack, wheras ive tried bittorrent befor eon windows and like it
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20:07<turtle>vuze/azureus more full featured
20:07<turtle>better for setting up ports, etc
20:07<mes>yeah, you'll find that the bittorrent for debian isn't similar to bittorrent for windows
20:07<mes>i've tried
20:07<dartmei>what I like about ktorrent is that you can select individual files; rtorrent is good if you don't mind cli
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20:08<turtle>vuze/azureus is very similar to windows
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20:08<mes>sounds like you'd want ktorrent, vuze/azureus, or run the windows version through wine :/
20:08<turtle>yeah, ktorrent is a close second
20:08<charlie2>anyone happen to have a dig command line that would test recusion on my bind server to know if it's vulnerable to DSA-1603?
20:08<Sey>ill have a pop at the ones suggested, thanks
20:09<turtle>good luck Sey
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20:09<mes>live long and prosper, Sey
20:10<Sey>Peace and Long Life mes
20:10<mes>:D
20:10<turtle>does anyone have a proper deb for Amaya, 64bit etch?
20:11<mes>don't have any 64bit machines :(
20:11<turtle>sadness fills the heart mes
20:11<mes>i'm stuck on older machinery... and the next computer i'm likely to get is a EEE PC
20:12<turtle>hmmmm, wonderful but little keyboard
20:12<mes>so i keep seeing
20:12<turtle>not a bad choice, still
20:12<turtle>and 32bit rules for now, so no worries
20:12<mes>but i need something small, cheap, and a reasonable batter life
20:12<mes>yeah
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20:12<mes>i don't need anything for power machinery
20:12<mes>battery*
20:12<turtle>that will be fine then
20:13<turtle>a good buy
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20:13<mes>my old laptop lasts about an hour on battery
20:13<turtle>hahaha
20:13<Sey>Azureus works fantastically, thankyou
20:13<turtle>sucks
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20:13<turtle>welcome!
20:13<mes>congrats Sey
20:13<mes>i'll have to give it a try myself
20:13<turtle>i think you'll really like azureus
20:13<turtle>yeah, you should mes
20:13<turtle>the new one has the integrated vuze interface as well
20:14<mes>what is vuze?
20:14<turtle>a huge database of hd videos
20:14<mes>ah
20:14<turtle>work on the bittorrent protocall
20:14<turtle>very cool idea
20:14<mes>now, to get something that can properly display HD
20:15<turtle>anything will do. It's "hd" but it really looks fine on anything
20:15<turtle>better than you tube!
20:15<mes>yeah, but i'd really appreciate better hardware to really see the HD difference
20:15<turtle>garbage flash..............
20:15<mes>well, yeah, anything flash isn't great
20:15<mes>compress
20:16<turtle>you can get a good external monitor for like 200 bucks now
20:16<mes>compress, encode, compress again... add some sugar
20:16<turtle>yeah.........
20:16<mes>yeah. i have a decent LCD, but it's still plugged in through a VGA
20:16<mes>don't have a DVI out
20:16<turtle>I hate flash but it's good for what it does
20:16<mes>true... as long as it's used sparingly
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20:16<mes>or in rare occasions, like pandora
20:16<dartmei>it's good for those "escape the room" style games
20:17<mes>it's good for web-games in general
20:17<mes>but for web functionality, ehhhh
20:17<turtle>what's the support like?
20:17<mes>support for flash?
20:18<turtle>yeah
20:18<mes>what part? making, viewing, etc
20:18<turtle>making
20:18<mes>ah
20:18<turtle>cuz i'm looking
20:18<mes>several tutorials
20:18<mes>and books
20:18<turtle> and linux has little
20:18<mes>because it's proprietary except for Gnash and swfdec
20:18<turtle>I'm trying to get into web design/developing
20:19<mes>you'd have to WINE it on *nix
20:19<turtle>that's what I'm thinkin'
20:19<turtle>I eh...found.....some adobe stuff the other day
20:19<turtle>I haven't tried it out yet
20:19<mes>and i haven't heard much of good news of CS3 on Wine
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20:19<mes>heh, yeah
20:20<mes>i got a copy from my sister's school, Macromedia 8, right before Adobe bought 'em out
20:20<mes>never was much of a designer, so i let my friend have it
20:20<turtle>I see
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20:20<turtle>I have a doze boks but I don't like turning it on
20:20<turtle>I'm actually in a VB right now
20:21<mes>yeah. i learned some in the web development class i took
20:21<newsense>anyone runing lenny and macromedia flash ? gnash has too many depends and im going for a minimalist install
20:21<mes>running windows in the VB?
20:21-!-dvs [~dvs@cwv.teksavvy.com] has joined #debian
20:21<mes>i'm on lenny with flash
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20:21<turtle>no, i'm running linux in linux
20:21<witte>newsense: flash and minimalist in one sentence, wow
20:21<mes>text doesn't show on youtube and related sites sometimes
20:21<witte>newsense: :-)
20:21<mes>lol
20:21<turtle>antix inside my remaster I call "NBJX64"
20:21<newsense>nes, compiled from source or package ?
20:22<mes>ah
20:22<mes>have you looked into swfdec?
20:22<mes>i've heard it's just as good if not better than gnash
20:22<newsense>witte, yeah it is funny but i need it
20:22<witte>!adobe flash
20:22<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291); use the one from backports.org (ask me about <non-free> <bpo><adobe flash testing>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
20:22<newsense>dont both depend many gnome libs ?
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20:23<mes>most likely
20:23<mes>it's a nuisance for sys admin's but great for users who like hand holding
20:23<newsense>i hate gnome and refuse to install its libs
20:24<turtle>hahahaha
20:24<mes>what do you use?
20:24<newsense>guess ill have to install from sid repo
20:24<newsense>kde
20:24<newsense>kde-core
20:24<mes>ew
20:24<witte>newsense: kde and minimalist?
20:24<mes>srsly
20:24<mes>:p
20:24<turtle>hahahaha
20:24<witte>newsense: that is even stranger than flash and small footprint :-)
20:24<turtle>I'm a fb man myself
20:24<mes>you want minimalist? icewm, fluxbox, blackbox...
20:24<newsense>i used gnome and loved it when i was a redhat user a long long time ago , gnome was still fairly new atm
20:25<mes>i use fluxbox on my OpenBSD laptop
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20:25<witte>windowmaker is my favorite wm
20:25<turtle>fb and enlightenment and even icewm
20:25<turtle>wm is good too
20:25<newsense>minimalist as in software i dont use or need, but i like kde's themes and like a clean interfasce
20:25<mes>icewm is easy to get used to coming from windows if the menu's are set up right
20:25<amphi>witte: heh, that was the first wm I used
20:25<mes>KDE just annoys me for some reason
20:26<turtle>kde is very full featured
20:26<turtle>3.5 is good, 4.0+ blows
20:26<mes>just not the features i need or want
20:26<newsense>not really a windows faaan, started off with redhat no gui on a 486 with liittle ram
20:26<turtle>understood mes, me either
20:26<newsense>sorry someone spilled on my new keyboard again
20:26<turtle>no gui
20:26<witte>amphi: the main problem with windowmaker is when i need to explain that linux is great and thing, and they see my desktop, they think, this is 10 years back :-)
20:27<turtle>always cool
20:27<mes>of course
20:27<amphi>heh
20:27<turtle>witte: I understand
20:27<mes>i was editing my idesk icons and a friend saw and was wondering why i was editing the icons by hand :/
20:27<newsense>friend of mine wanted to teach me coputers the "right" way as he said
20:27<turtle>I have multiple wm for that
20:27<mes>i could even get used to twm if i had to
20:28<turtle>twm?
20:28<mes>tried it out as it's installed by default in lenny, (probably etch, too)
20:28<turtle>haven't used it
20:28<newsense>what do i need to add to sources.list to only dl macromedia flash player
20:28<mes>yeah, it's like fluxbox in a sense
20:28<mes>without the bottom bar
20:28<turtle>I see
20:28<amphi>witte: don't 'explain that linux is great and thing', keep it a secret ;)
20:28<mes>no no no,
20:29<mes>spread linux
20:29<amphi>we are not COLA
20:29<turtle>I probably tried it and forgot
20:29<mes>keep BSD a secret
20:29<mes>:D
20:29<witte>amphi: no, otherwise i need to solve windows problems ;)-
20:29<amphi>witte: ah
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20:29<mes>turtle, try selecting a different session next time you log in
20:29<mes>it's probably in the list
20:30<witte>newsense: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
20:30<turtle>oh no, not mine. this is my distro
20:30<turtle>I just have fb on here
20:30<newsense>witte i seen that and its kinda cryptic if youre running unstable
20:30<mes>oh
20:30<newsense>err testing
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20:30<mes>it's a small download, you'd hardly notice it if you installed it
20:30<turtle>mes: thanks though
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20:31<turtle>I'll try it mes. I have to configure slim too
20:31<turtle>to add a session option
20:31<mes>so did you just start out with a basic system and build up from there?
20:31<mes>just temporarly edit your .xsession
20:31<newsense>witte: Edit /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/sources.list to allow flashplugin-nonfree from Debian unstable to be installed on your Debian testing system (in a way similar to Combine Debian stable and backports.org).
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20:31<turtle>nope, tore one down to minimalist and then built up
20:31<newsense>err sorry
20:32<mes>ah
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20:32<witte>newsense: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#stable-with-backports and replace stable with testing and etch-backports with unstable
20:32<mes>i never feel comfortable stripping down. as i don't know what programs install what and where, i prefer just to reinstall and start with little and build up
20:32<witte>newsense: in your sources.list you probably need unstable as well
20:32<witte>!pinnin
20:32<newsense>i installed my system bare than installed xorg and alsa and kde all minimal installs
20:33<witte>!pinning
20:33<dpkg>If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning.
20:33<turtle>it's the better way. Next time I'm building from scratch
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20:33<turtle>try atleast
20:33<mes>the OpenBSD install and basic config is almost fun to me
20:33<newsense>witte: cool thanx man
20:33<dartmei>!backports
20:33<dpkg>rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
20:33<amphi>newsense: 'kde' and 'minimal install' is something of an oxymoron
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20:34<turtle>nice chatting, thanks for the tips mes.........I got to get back to work!
20:34<turtle>peace
20:34<mes>farewell
20:34<mes>have fun :D
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20:34<newsense>im running kde-core and seeing as i like kde im happy and dont have all the creappy apps i dont need
20:34<mes>i imagine if you left out most of the applets and such
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20:34<mes>it could be rather small and light
20:34<newsense>minimal in only what i need with the occasional want
20:35<mes>yeah, if you install the individual packages and not the meta-packages, you have complete control over what you have
20:35<newsense>everyone here like gnome ?
20:35<dartmei>well I don't hate it
20:35<mes>and with apt-get so easy, it's easy to pick up what you missed
20:35<mes>i prefer gnome over kde
20:35<dartmei>my brother uses it w/ ubuntu
20:35<amphi>I don't use DEs at all
20:35<witte>newsense: that would be minimal in the hard disk sense, but that does not mean minimal in the memory footprint sense
20:35<mes>but have gotten extremely comfortable with fluxbox
20:36<newsense>and i use deborphan to keep track of all those unused apps and libs
20:36<dartmei>my basic desktop toolchain is something like this: "xorg leafpad iceweasel nitrogen epdfview fluxbox fbdesk xmcd ogle-mmx alsamixergui gkrellm gmrun wm-icons wdm irssi audacious-plugins fbpager alltray docker xchat"
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20:36<amphi>newsense: if you use aptitude, it removes unneeded deps automagically when you uninstall a package
20:36<amphi>or can, if you want it to
20:37<newsense>ill have to try it i usually do all package management through apt
20:37<witte>apt-get does the same in the latest versions
20:37<mes>yeah
20:37<witte>!why aptitude
20:37<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
20:37<mes>it just told me a few minutes ago of unneeded packages
20:38<mes>ap-get autoremove
20:38<mes>apt-get*
20:38<newsense>was just gona say that
20:39<jordan>hi guys
20:39<mes>after using apt-get in debian, pkg_add in openbsd was like a long lost sister
20:39<mes>hello, jordan
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20:39<jordan>got a question for you if you have some time
20:40<mes>i imagine one of us might have an answer
20:40<newsense>ask
20:40<amphi>dartmei: thanks for epdfview, I didn't know of that
20:40<jordan>ok... my user loses isome of its groups upon logout
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20:40<jordan>it loses audio and vboxusers
20:41<jordan>very annoying, and cant find any info on the net
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20:41<mes>did you make sure to check the flux capacitor?
20:41<jordan>the what!?
20:41<mes>(sorry, i don't know but don't like staying quiet)
20:41<mes>lol
20:41<jordan>lol
20:41*dartmei lols
20:42<mes>needs more cowbell, then
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20:42<witte>jordan: what do you mean with loses some of its groups?
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20:44<jordan>witte: when I logout an log back in, i am no more in the group @audio@
20:45<mtnman>jordan when was the user added to that group? and how did u do t?
20:45<witte>jordan: this seems very strange to me
20:45<mes>have you tried just adding your name to the end of the /etc/group groups?
20:45<witte>jordan: can you monitor the file /etc/group
20:45<jordan>witte: for example, if i do this: usermod -G audio jordan
20:46<jordan>the log out
20:46<mtnman>jordan use adduser
20:46<jordan>oh $?#$?%
20:46<jordan>ok triying this and coming back
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20:49<witte>jordan: which irc client are you using?
20:49<jordan>xchat
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20:49<jordan>and by the way, it worked! thanks a lot
20:49<mtnman>u talkin to me? :D
20:49<jordan>stupid stupid mistake
20:49<witte>ok, just wondered, if you used a terminal based client, you could use screen so you could log in and log out without closing the connection
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20:50<witte>jordan: what was the mistake?
20:50<mtnman>he didnt use adduser
20:50<jordan>good idea! and what client do you suggest for command line?
20:50<mes>irssi
20:50<witte>jordan: i use irc within emacs :-)
20:50<jordan>not adding the user permanently, by not usign the good command
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20:51<mes>ew, emacs
20:51<mtnman>so jordan did u use adduser?
20:52<witte>mes: its an editor just as any other editor (except that it is more flexible and complete :P)
20:52<jordan>mtnman: yup and it worked!
20:52<mtnman>i had a feeling...
20:52<mtnman>ok you are welcome :D
20:52<jordan>big relief actually
20:52<mtnman>second time today i handed someone "adduser"
20:53<jordan>but il leaves me with anothe problem...
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20:53<jordan>virtualbox tels me I am not usign correct drivers
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20:54<mtnman>jordan: try #vbox
20:54<jordan>mtnman: and the other time, was it because the other guy also used usermod instead of adduser?
20:54<amphi>jordan: for what? you lack the kernel module?
20:54<jordan>lol sorry, good idea
20:54<bob__>hello, maybe someone can help me, i have been trying to get the netinstall cd to run using grub, but the netinstall iso wants to use a cdrom... is there any workaround?
20:55<bob__>it asks what device the cdrom is
20:56<jordan>amphi: i have installed the module for my kernel but it still gives me that error
20:56<amphi>jordan: the module is loaded? ;)
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20:56<bob__>can anyone point me in the right direction?
20:56<jordan>amphi: yup
20:56<mtnman>bob__ have you read the installmanual?
20:56<mtnman>!install
20:56<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
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20:59<jordan>sorry bob, cant help you, I have no idea
21:00*mtnman is fairly certain the install guide will have the answers
21:00<bob__>i am able to boot into the expert install
21:00<bob__>just that it looks for the cdrom... and it can't find it
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21:01<bob__>and the busybox doesn't have losetup, which i think would work
21:01<mtnman>bob__ go read the install guide.
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21:14<Guest330>i get a dhcp discovery on my debian startup, its does it like 8 times and takes up a lot of time on startup
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21:17<newsense>im running testing and want to install the flash plugin, anyone know what i need to add to my sources.list ?
21:18<newsense> Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packa ges.gz Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file.
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21:21<mtnman>guest i would set a static ip
21:21<newsense>?
21:22<mtnman>dpkg tell newsense about non-free sources
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21:24<newsense>mtman: i have non-free and contrib repos but im running testing "lenny" and theres no macromedia flash in lenny only sid
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21:24<newsense>i want to use sids repo for flash package
21:24<mtnman>newsense i guess you could build sid's sources on lenny
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21:24<newsense>having trouble doing that
21:24<mtnman>apt-get -b source foo.deb
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21:25<mtnman>but you'll have to have a deb-src line in /etc/apt/sources.list
21:25<mtnman>that points to sid
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21:25<chealer>!tell newsense about tum
21:25<mtnman>no apt-get -b source foo (not .deb)
21:25<newsense>theres gotta be a better way, like setting up apt to use sids repo for that package and installling the .deb from that
21:26<mtnman>newsense installing a deb from sid may or may not work. building from source *should(
21:27<mtnman>newsense: if you just want one package from sid, you can d/load it from packages.d.o and dkpkg -i foo.deb
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21:27<newsense>dont know why i didnt think a that
21:27<mtnman>me either
21:28*newsense has been without a computer for over a year
21:28<newsense>im over excited and debian has changed a lot
21:28<mtnman>newsense you should carfully check the depends for the package in question
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21:29<mtnman>newsense i've been mostly w/o a debian box until recently (since about a year ago) so i can relate.
21:29<newsense>thanks, be back in a few to let ya know if thats a possibility
21:29<newsense>im talking no pc at all
21:29<mtnman>it is definitely a possibility
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21:29<newsense>and the gf bought me a ps3 but she thought linux would mess it upo
21:29<mtnman>newsense i meant about debian changing alot
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21:32<Rizzer>vel
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21:41<newsense>flashplayer installed ok but i still see no videos on youtube and still get the same error
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21:52<mes>"Peace, love, and Linux" makes me think of a guy with excessive facial hair in a tiedye t-shirt, shorts, and sandals saying "You can't use that distribution MAN" "You can't like, own an OS, MAN"
21:54<newsense>mes id be at peace if i could get flash player running on lenny, any help man c
21:54<mes>lol
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21:55<newsense>lmao
21:55<mes>i think i ended up downloading the installer from adobe's site and it works well enough to play flash
21:55<mes>:/
21:55<mes>have you tried swfdec?
21:55<newsense>yeah but im running a full distro for package management
21:55<mes>what do you mean
21:56<mes>you only want to use the repositories?
21:56<newsense>yeah
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21:56<newsense>for upgrade purposes
21:56<mes>why?
21:56<mes>oh
21:56<mes>reasonable
21:56<mes>hmmm
21:57<Laeborg>I have downloaded som old PSX games, but i can't burn it because its 3 files: .ccd, .img and .sub - I use k3b (debian) for burning, and it says 'no image-file found' or something like that
21:57<newsense>i could get the kernel bootloader etc and compile everything from scratch but thats what my grandpa did
21:58<newsense>i got debian
21:58<mes>and you felt the dependencies were to numerous?
21:58<mes>for gnash i mean
21:58<newsense>if i ran gnome i would accept them
21:59<mes>there's Klash
21:59<mes>a standalone player for KDE
21:59<mes>in the repo
21:59<newsense>no way
21:59<newsense>thats what i need than
21:59<newsense>i didnt see that
21:59<mes>i don't know about the browser plugin, though
21:59<newsense>i ran an apt-cache search flash
21:59<newsense>and read the info files on most of em
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21:59<mes>i think that goes through packages names
21:59<mes>oh
21:59<mes>dunno
22:00<mes>i'm searching through synaptic
22:00<newsense>im gonna check it out
22:00<newsense>if theres no gnome depends ill try it
22:00<mes>maybe just the libflash packages as well
22:00<newsense>mes: ya know if it works with icebear or konquerer ?
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22:01<mes>that's what i was wondering, was if there's any plugin functionality
22:01<mes>this just says "Klash is a free standalone Flash movie player for KDE"
22:01<mes>so i don't think so
22:01<mes>i could be wrong
22:01<newsense>yeah
22:01<mes>just apt-get remove if not
22:01<newsense>it is :(
22:01<mes>wait
22:02<newsense>guess ill have to compile from source
22:02<mes>konqueror-plugin-gnash
22:02<mes>:/
22:02<newsense>i miss the old debian
22:02<mes>the konqueror-plugin-gnash doesn't pull any gnome libs
22:02<newsense>been a while since i used it
22:02<mes>and it has klash as a dependancy
22:03<mes>look at that one
22:03<newsense>but debian is doing what theyre doing to support open source so i guess ill have to deaL WITH IT
22:03<mes>lol
22:03<mes>get Ubuntu if you want proprietary stuff in your *nix
22:03<newsense>i tried it
22:03<newsense>im a debian user though
22:03<mes>i know what you mean
22:04<newsense>its like debian for retards
22:04<newsense>and bloated
22:04<mes>how's that konqueror-plugin-gnash package look?
22:04<newsense>im gonna check it now
22:05<newsense>someone spillefd on yet another keyboard and im struggling to hit some keys
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22:05<mes>i still think debian could use a bit of pruning of binary blobs from the kernel, much like BLAG does with the Fedora kernel
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22:07<newsense>all kinda gnome depends :(
22:07<mes>only small libraries
22:07<mes>i don't see how they would slow down anything
22:07<newsense>i liked gnome when it first came out but think it looks outdated now and like kde's interface much better
22:08<mes>well if you get the libraries, you won't see any of the interface from Gnome
22:08<mes>not with Gnash anyway
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22:08<mes>since you'd only see it through your browser's eyes
22:08<newsense>yeah i know
22:08<mes>so stop being so stubborn! :p
22:08<newsense>im being anal with this install
22:08<mes>lol
22:08<mes>you really are
22:09<mes>but it's cool, your computer, you do what you want
22:09<mes>just have to work a little harder
22:09<newsense>i installed base system than kde-core minimal xorg and alsa
22:09<mes>i don't see how building from source would resolve the dependencies of the gnome libs
22:09<shujah>hello
22:09<newsense>building flash from macromedia i mean
22:10<mes>oh
22:10<mes>yeah
22:10<mes>but i've noticed it's not really perfect
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22:10<mes>i don't see text on the related video links after movies finish on youtube
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22:10<mes>but the videos and interfaces still work seamlessly
22:11<mes>may be something different
22:11<newsense>mes, thnx im gonna dl gnash and be done with it
22:11<avu>gnash and swfdec both suck :(
22:11<newsense>mes, you use gnash ?
22:11<newsense>avu, i figured as much
22:11<mes>heh
22:11<avu>I just use clive to download videos from youtube/goodle video and the likes
22:11<mes>when i use openbsd i use gnash
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22:11<mes>on debian i use flash
22:12<abrotman>avu: uhm .. shouldn't you be in bed?
22:12<avu>abrotman, oy! :)
22:12<abrotman>just askin!
22:12<newsense>mes you use sid ?
22:12<mes>lenny
22:12<newsense>mes , than help me out
22:12<mes>i've done all i know
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22:13<mes>i use gnome and don't mind the libs
22:13<newsense>how exactly did you install flash on lenny ?
22:13<abrotman>adobe.com
22:13<mes>it was a few days ago and i've slept since then
22:13<newsense>you compiled from source
22:13<mes>but i think i just did the adobe.com version, untar, and ./flashplayer-installer.so
22:13<MotoHoss>abrotman : thanks for the reminder about the msgs the other nite. I didn't realize the client was doing it.
22:14<abrotman>uh .. no problem!
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22:43<Synz>I have this X based program that can't seem to find libX11.so.6, nor the libraries that it came with. I tried setting $LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to them but still no go
22:43<Synz>ldd'ing it still reports: libX11.so.6 => not found
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22:44<Synz>yet it exists along with its symlink under /usr/local
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23:02<hwolff>Hello, sorry to interupt: Is there a channel where I can ask a question about LaTeX?
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23:03<dondelelcaro>hwolff: #latex
23:03<dondelelcaro>hwolff: though on freenode, not here
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23:03<hwolff>thanks
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23:18<kop>How do I set which monitor the console is on when I've multiple video cards?
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23:18<Synz>I'm getting this error with ccmake: "It is impossible to order the linker search path in such a way that libraries specified as full paths will be picked by the linker." I see the issue is I have stuff in /usr/lib64 and /usr/local. how can I resolve this?
23:19<Synz>kop: although I have not done it, you set your DISPLAY variable
23:19<mes>add more cowbell
23:19<Synz>need more cowbell
23:19<kop>Synz : That only works for X.
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23:19<Synz>kop: eh, what are you talking about, then?
23:20<mes>generally that would be a BIOS setting, wouldn't it?
23:20<Synz>ahh, a tty
23:20<kop>Synz : The linux console. Right tty.
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23:20<Synz>good question
23:20<kop>mes : Right now the kernel's choosing the one with the smallest pci id.
23:20<mes>oh
23:20<mes>could you hack it and change that?
23:20<mes>change the pci id?
23:20<mes>use mad skillz, etc.
23:20<Synz>you can't change the pci id
23:20<kop>mes : How would you do that?
23:20<mes>sure you can
23:21<mes>hell if i know
23:21<mes>:D
23:21<Synz>lol
23:21<mes>that's what google's for
23:21<Synz>devs are assigned during boot time. they can be overridden tho
23:21<kop>mes: I'd think there'd be a kernel command line parameter, but I don't see one.
23:21<mes>yeah, that sounds reasonable.
23:21<Synz>I think there's a boot loader parameter you may be able to use
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23:21<kop>There's a framebuffer.txt file that says to do things with /dev/fb* for X, but there's no /dev/fb* devices at all.
23:22<Synz>I would look at boot loader parameters to solve the issue
23:22<mes>makdev
23:22<Synz>btw, have you tried google?
23:22<mes>makedev*
23:22<mes>or rtfm?
23:22<Synz>do you mean mkdev?
23:22<mes>just curious
23:22<mes>or that
23:22<mes>i was thinking about the script in the /dev folder
23:22<Synz>like the mkdev that's kinda depreciated?
23:22<kop>Synz : Yup. But I get back lots of stuff that's not applicable, mostly for X.
23:22<kop>mes: rtfm what?
23:22<Synz>kop: ignore him
23:22<mes>:(
23:23<gawz>trying to use pdumpfs to backup from one server to windows over samba
23:23<kop>Synz : I've looked through the grub info docs, and don't see anything at all about boot loader parameters. Is this the right place?
23:24<Synz>I'm not sure about grub. I'm not familiar with it, so I find it limiting to me
23:24<gawz>pdumpfs /var/lib/mysql \\server2\backup [dest-basename]
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23:24<Synz>I'm more familiar with lilo
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23:24<gawz>this didnt work. folder not exist
23:24<Synz>kop: I'm searching the net now to see what I can find for you
23:24<kop>Synz : I got sick of lilo. I like it that grub does not always have to be writing over the mbr (or whatever.)
23:24<Synz>gawz: try \\\\server2
23:24<kop>Synz : Thanks.
23:24<gawz>or no such directory
23:24<mes>gawz: have you tried creating the folder to fill on the server?
23:25<Synz>er, \\\\server2\\backup
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23:25<Synz>mes: you're not being much help, man
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23:25<mes>i'm sorry
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23:26<Synz>say sorry to the people who are trying to get help, not me
23:26<gawz>server1:/var/lib/mysql# pdumpfs /var/lib/mysql \\\\merlin2\\Donload\\server1_mysql_daily_backup [dest-basename]
23:26<Synz>gawz: typo there in Download?
23:26<gawz>that got pdumpfs: No such directory: \\merlin2\Donload\server1_mysql_daily_backup
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23:27<gawz>opps
23:27<kop>Synz : When push comes to shove, I don't _really_ care what monitor the console's on, just so long as I have a console. But I'd like it to use the card/monitor that's most convenient and most likely to stay in the box.
23:27<gawz>let me see
23:27<Synz>kop: which cards do you have and what type of interface do they have in to the system?
23:27<Synz>well, what interface is what matters, I think
23:28<Synz>list those
23:28<Synz>like on-board VGA, PCI graphics, etc
23:28<gawz>pdumpfs: No such directory: \\merlin2\Downloads\server1_mysql_daily_backup
23:29<Synz>gawz: sounds like this relies upon samba, no?
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23:29<gawz>mes: what do you mean creating folder??
23:29<Synz>gawz: ignore him
23:29<mes>on the destination server
23:29<hugo>hi man
23:29<mes>does the destination folder exist?
23:29<Synz>hi hugo
23:29<mes>and Synz: he already said it was samba related
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23:29<mes>stop telling people to ignore me
23:29<kop>Synz : Some sort of nv ATI card with about 128MB (gforce mx 4000, an NV18), a nv Rage TNT (NV4) on PCI, and some old ati (3D Rage Pro) on pci.
23:29<gawz>yes destination folder exist
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23:30<Synz>kop: ok, so 2 PCI and 1 onboard?
23:30<mes>just trying to cover the basics
23:30<Synz>mes: good call, my apologies
23:30<kop>Synz : They're all cards.
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23:30<Synz>kop: and all PCI?
23:30<kop>Synz : No onboard. No, the first is AGP. (Sorry, I said ATI)
23:30<mes>what would happen if you switched the PCI slots they were placed in?
23:31<Synz>kop: no worries. I believe the PCI cards will be detected before the AGP, but I'm not 100% on that
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23:31<mes>like, rearrange the cards
23:31<mes>?
23:31<kop>I want the agp as my console, but it's got a higher PCI slot number.
23:31<Synz>kop: so, one more time. what exactly is the problem you're facing?
23:31<mes>so Synz is right
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23:31<kop>mes: Can't move the agp card to a pci slot.
23:31<mes>the PCI are getting detected before the AGP
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23:32<mes>yeah, i didn't realize one was AGP
23:32<kop>Synz : I want to be able to specify which card is used for the console. The AGP card is newest. I want to use that.
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23:32<Synz>kop: why do you want to make it the main? console performance doesn't mean much
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23:33<kop>Synz : There's no compelling reason. It has to do with what monitor is situated where, and used for what.
23:33<Synz>ahh ok
23:33<Synz>let me look at some things real quick
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23:34<kop>Synz : Mostly it's because I'm mucking about with what's used for what with X. And if I lose a card I want to know how to use what's left for whatever I need most.
23:34<mes>so you can have different tty's on different screens? or are you doing something else
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23:35<kop>mes: Mostly, I want the console on one screen. That screen and another will be xinerama and use xdmcp to connect to the backend box used for an X client. The 3rd screen will run a copy machine, in effect, but will also connect to the backend box to run xsane.
23:35<Synz>kop: that partially made sense :-)
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23:35<Synz>ok, that makes more sense
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23:35<kop>Thin client stuff.
23:36<mes>ah. sounds cool
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23:36<kop>It's a 300MHz celeron, without a fan. I then put all the chunky boxes in the basement.
23:36<mes>i've never needed to do something like that
23:37<kop>I get silence, and low heat, out of the deal.
23:37<mes>very desirable
23:37<mes>just have to make sure the basement doesn't flood >.<
23:37<Synz>kop: are you running devfs?
23:37<kop>I've already tested the xdmcp stuff. Now I've got the cards in place and need to configure everything for real and see if the hardware is up to the job.
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23:37<kop>Synz : etch, 2.6.18. udev
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23:38<Synz>kop: ok, give me a min to do some research. defvs and udev are pretty new to me
23:38<gawz>I found out hat pdumpfs may not work on samba directories. its kind of simple
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23:39<kop>It's actually pretty cool. You can setup cups to do all the work and just spool on the thin client. xsane/saned takes care of putting the graphic processing on the X client. And the X client does a lot of the font stuff. Dunno how much eyecandy is done on the X client, but I'm hopeing that happens there too.
23:40<Synz>gawz: grats on finding that :-)
23:40<mes>yeah... sounds like it'd be fun to setup and get working
23:40<kop>gawz : Why not just mount everything and use cp. Or use rsync, either with or without samba. I think rsync is cross platform.
23:40<Synz>kop: without me looking up what those binaries you said do, what are you doing?
23:40<Synz>curious
23:41<mes>i need to learn more *nix before i could do much of that... sadly, i'm rather young still and started my life on windows :/
23:41<kop>Synz : Total thin client. As much processing in the basement as possible. Printing, scanning, graphics, etc.
23:41<Synz>mes: a lot of us have
23:41<Synz>kop: sweet
23:41<kop>Synz : Clearly, the printers, scanners, screens, etc all need to be on the desk.
23:41<Synz>I was a "windows guy" for many years, then went to GNU for quite a few years, then back to windows just to game
23:42<Synz>kop: ok, so you got multiple heads in different rooms?
23:42<Synz>nvm that, dumb question and it sounds wrong
23:42<Synz>physical connection
23:42<mes>yeah, i'm really trying as hard as i can to ditch windows completely and have managed to wipe windows from my computers (don't game enough)
23:42<kop>Synz : All plugged into one box. I want one head just for a copy machine to make the wife happy there's no login or anything.
23:42<mes>sounds like he's running it over network
23:42<Synz>mes: if you don't game, GNU will do you well
23:43<mes>yeah, that and OpenBSD :D which i've gotten used to so far as setting up for basic development and desktop use
23:43<Synz>kop: who the hell likes to keep the wife happy? where are you from? :-)
23:43<mes>hah
23:43<mes>happy wife == happy husband
23:43<Synz>export HAPPYWIFE=HAPPYHUSBAND
23:44<Owner>!ot
23:44<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
23:44<kop>Somehow I think all that framebuffer stuff for the console is old news, and there's another way to do things.
23:45<Synz>yeah, we need to look at udev docs
23:45<Synz>are you familiar with the traditional /dev directory?
23:46<kop>Synz : What makes you think udev? (I just read lots of udev stuff and poked about writing rules.) Do you think udev assigns the console?
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23:46<kop>Synz : Sorta. I know it got way too full.
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23:46<Synz>well, udev is like dev, but udev is dynamic rather than static
23:47<Synz>and the /dev devices are particular to your hardware and their virtual software assignments
23:47<Synz>so if PCI devices are detected first, they'll get assigned a /dev entry in them before the AGP card does
23:48<kop>Synz : Yeah. I know all that. Whatdayathink links.conf does?
23:48<kop>Synz : Maybe the magic is there?
23:49<Synz>kop: this sounds like the same way I had to get eth0 assigned as the primary interface when udev was detecting another hardware device first
23:49<kop>Synz : That's the wacko z25_persistent_net.rules file, which is written by another udev rule (with helper).
23:50<Synz>I have two NICs built-in to my PC motherboard. when udev came up, half of the time, it'd assign eth0 to one hardware device, and half of the time to the other hardware device
23:50<kop>Synz : Looks like links.conf makes the console device. What associates the /dev device numbers with a hardwar graphic cards.
23:50<mes>that'd suck for a firewall
23:50<Synz>I had to tell it that one took precedence over the other, and always assign one specific hardware NIC to eth0
23:51<Synz>kop: let me look, one min
23:51<kop>Synz : That's what /etc/udev/rules.d/z45_persistent-net-generator.rules is supposed to do for you, write the z25_* rule to keep eth0 consistent.
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23:52<Synz>exactly
23:52<kop>Synz : You must not have been running stable.
23:52<Synz>we need to find the same way to have it assign your particular video card as primary
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23:52<Synz>kop: it's been a while since I've ran GNU as m y main OS
23:52<Synz>too many games
23:53<kop>Synz : But I don't see a rule associating hardware with /dev/console. Just permissions. (at a quick glance)
23:53<Synz>I still have a great understanding of it, it just takes time to find a solution
23:53<Synz>hmm
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23:55<Synz>kop: have you looked at http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/systems/topic/com.ibm.aix.files/doc/aixfiles/console.htm
23:56<Synz>looks like the answer is there
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23:56<Synz>swcons, chcons, and lscons
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23:57<Synz>based on that, it looks like you can hack something together
23:57<kop>Synz : I was trying udevinfo, but couldn'd find the /sys/ path. I'll take a look. How did you find it?
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23:57<Synz>googled for /dev/console
23:57<Synz>top link
23:58<Synz>I tried other search criteria first but they found the same X11 BS you found
23:58<kop>Synz : That's an aix doc page. I'm suspicious of it's applicability.
23:59<Synz>it should be compatible
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23:59<Synz>with the way *ix works
23:59<Synz>all based on files
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23:59<Synz>not sure if those commands are available to you, though
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23:59<kop>Synz : You've clearly never worked with AIX. :-)
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