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---Logopened Wed Jul 09 00:00:02 2008
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00:00<Synz>I have some
00:00<kop>Synz : IBM has it's own way of doing things.
00:00<Synz>not much though
00:00<Synz>yeah, I find AIX to be pretty vensuian
00:00<kop>Synz : (Happy smit. ;)
00:01<Synz>AIX is so damn rock solid, tho
00:01<Synz>same with HP-UX
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00:02<Synz>kop: mind giving that page a try, though?
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00:02<kop>Synz : Took a look. No such commands.
00:03<Synz>kop: google with me: /dev/console redirect
00:04<kop>Synz : Ok. I found the linux console project, but that's not much help.
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00:05<kop>Synz : (redirect is looking very shell-y)
00:05<Synz>I agree
00:05<Synz>not quite what you're looking for
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00:07<Synz>kop: what about changing the permissions on /dev/console?
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00:07<Synz>since you think it's a permissions issue
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00:07<Synz>I really don't think it's a permissions issue since it's all hardware on the same box
00:11<Synz>kop: wish I could help you more but I gotta go
00:11<Synz>I hope you find an answer
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00:12<Synz>maybe I can help if I'm back tomorrow
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00:14<gawz>used cp to copy files . verbose showed files copied et al, but samba directory is empty
00:14<gawz>cp appears to work but no files copied??
00:14<gawz>from debian to windows via samba
00:15<gawz>cp -v -r shows files copying
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01:02<Laeborg>hmm how to i burn .img.ecm? I usign Debian and K3B
01:02<Laeborg>theres also a .cue file
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01:12<Nemoder>Laeborg: you can try converting it with iat or bchunk first
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01:19<mike>I cannot d/load lenny,,Damn isp
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01:23<infotron>!blame mike's isp
01:23*dpkg blames infotron and mike's isp for all the evil in the world
01:23<mike>Got a good link:)
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01:55<spezticle>hi. could someone help me figure out how to 'configure my kernel source'? Trying to install GeForce 9600 drivers
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02:00<jm_>install nvidia driver the debian way and it'll work
02:01<spezticle>from fresh install of debian, cant load xserver "screen not found"
02:01<jm_>yes, you need fairly recent driver for 9600GT support
02:01<spezticle>well, i have the latest nvidia driver... i'm just not sure if i
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02:02<jm_>like I said, do it the debian way
02:02<spezticle>i'm not sure if i'm installing everything that's required to run the file
02:02<spezticle>haha. what's the debian way?
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02:02<pumpkin0>spezticle: apt-get install (and it does work with 9600'er)
02:03<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
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02:16<spezticle>are the files that apt-get online or on the dvd's? i wont have internet access on this computer till i get the gui up and running
02:16<spezticle>apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common
02:16<spezticle>i have the 3dvd's of 4.0rc3
02:16<spezticle>r3 rather
02:16<jm_>they are on both
02:17<jm_>but like I said, the drive rin Etch doesn't support 9600GT
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02:24<spezticle>i HATE windows.. and this keyboard. the keyb has a 'power off' button for the system right by the delete key...
02:25<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
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02:26<spezticle>i was going to ask then, if the Etch drivers don't work w/ the 9600, am i going to have to use the download driver to install the card?
02:26<jm_>no, I would suggest to get the sources from sid, build the packages on etch and install that
02:26<jm_>so the easiest would be to get on IRC from linux and ask here if you get stuck
02:28<spezticle>k, well the linux pc doens't have internet access because i have to configure the wireless card driver first. can i use a cat5 cable to run from THIS pc which has internet, to the linux box so that the linux box shares THIS pc's internet?
02:28<jm_>sure, but you need to enable internet sharing on windows
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02:31<spezticle>basically bridging the wifi card and ethernet?
02:31<jm_>not bridging, it's simple IP forwarding
02:32<spezticle>ah. i was reading from a page i google'd its talking about bridging the two devices
02:32<spezticle>that's why i asked, i wasn't too familiar with bridging. thanks :)
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02:36<spezticle2>debian will assign ip automatically?
02:36<jm_>if you tell it to it will :)
02:38<jm_>look in you rinterfaces file
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02:52<spezticle2>can you tell me the command for a text editor?
02:52<jm_>sensible-editor should work
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02:59<_ZeuZ_>HTB or CBQ for an ISP? I'm lacking the weight parameter or something alike for HTB that CBQ has, but I've seen too much elogies for HTB that decided to try it out, nevertheless, I can't achieve the same performance with HTB that CBQ has, what's your advice mates?
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03:25<x25>How's everyone
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03:40<spezticle>jm_ what was that you said before about getting online with the linux box and you sending a link? remember... the power button. haha lost my chat log
03:40<jm_>spezticle: <jm_> no, I would suggest to get the sources from sid, build the packages on etch and install that; so the easiest would be to get on IRC from linux and ask here if you get stuck ?
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03:42<spezticle>jm_ ah yes. that. i got the connection set up.. i'm having trouble getting the ipv6 to ipv4 thing working. i'll teach myself more about that later... where can i get sid sources? i'll just dl them here and burn a cd
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03:43<jm_>spezticle: why would you burn it on a CD if you have connection up?
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03:44<spezticle>well... something's not right. the two pc's are comunicating.... but the linux box isn't accessing internet sources. 'network unreachable'
03:44<spezticle>but, i can ping the windows box
03:44<jm_>ok do you have default gateway configured on the linux box? netstat -nr
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03:46<jm_>you get the sid sources here: -- search for "nvidia-glx" and "nvidia-kernel-common" in distribution unstable, then click on the link and you'll see links to 2 or 3 files on the right: .dsc, .idff and .orig.tar.gz (for some one of them will be missing), download them all (5)
03:46<jm_>.diff even
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03:50<jm_>well I suppose you don't need to bother with connection for now, just download it where you can and transfer 5 files to the debian machine
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04:00<chetan>hi all
04:00<chetan>i have small problem with ubuntu
04:01<chetan>anyone want to give some idea on FTP Client related problem on Ubuntu
04:02<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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04:06<hugo>I prefer to Debian
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04:10<Kebab>I started on ubuntu afew months back and now have just installed debian etch in all my machines
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04:14<woden1>Hi would anyone please look at my apt-get update output and help me fix the problem(s)? Thanks.
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04:31<matth>hi there
04:31<matth>does anyone knows about some syslog speed test utility that could emulate several networked device for syslogd benchmark ?
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04:33<matth>I first thought about logger, but I think it can't spoof source, and would require some scripting to have a full network emulation
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04:38<jm_>matth: why would you benchmark syslogd?
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04:49<spezticle>is there a dvd of all the packages i can download? this connection sharing thing isn't working. i've tried every possible combination of connection / ip settings and it isn't working
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04:52<jm_>spezticle: you said you have the DVD-s
04:52<jm_>debian doesn't fit on one DVD
04:54<spezticle>well, i meant Sid. i'm looking at the link you sent before and theres a lot of dependencies. are those all on etch, or is it just the nvidia ones that need to be sid?
04:54<jm_>no you are downloading wrong stuff - you need source packages (links on the right)
04:56<Hideo>jm_: do you know if we can assign variables in /etc/interfaces ?
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04:57<jm_>Hideo: what do you mean with "assign variables"?
04:57<Hideo>for example, I want to do "IP=`commands to get, sed ip`
04:57<spezticle>ooo i see. thnx
04:58<Hideo>jm_: I'm reading this "" , in the 6to4 part, however I don't always know my IP address beforehand
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05:03<jm_>Hideo: hmm don't think it's useful for this scenario where you want to link your v4 and v6 address
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05:03<spezticle>ok, i got the sources.. where do they get extracted to?
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05:05<jm_>how did you extract them?
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05:07<spezticle>haven't yet. i was just looking at the archives in windows.
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05:07<jm_>ahh anywhere you want
05:07<Hideo>jm_: any ideas on getting something or equivalent like this to work? "address `printf "2002:%02x%02x:%02x%02x::1\n" $(ip addr ls ath0 | sed '/inet /!d;s/.*inet //;s/\/.*//;s/\./\ /g')`"
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05:08<jm_>Hideo: i would configure it with post-up script fot ipv4 interface
05:08<Hideo>ok, I'll try that
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05:12<jm_>spezticle: make sure to use debian commands to extract it
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05:15<spezticle>i noticed that the .run file is the same one i got from i just didn't have the source (common) before. the source doesn't ahve to go anywahere specific as long as i use it's proper path when needed, right?
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05:21<jm_>no, the path doesn't matter, just make sure you extract it with debian tools (not tar)
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05:29<Hideo>thanks jm_ it worked
05:29<Hideo>now I only wished I wasn't behind NAT =(
05:31<spezticle>debians tools? apt ?
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05:33<odon7>van itt valaki Magyar?
05:33<odon7>: )
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05:34<dpkg>it has been said that hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
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05:37<odon7>ott nincs senki
05:37<odon7>: (
05:37<Hideo>speak English please, we don't understand Hungarians
05:38<odon7>all right
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05:46<spezticle>jm_ what tools do you mean? apt?
05:47<brokencycle>I'm having a problem with php4 (FastCGI) on an i686 machine running the etchnhalf kernel.
05:47<jm_>spezticle: no; for a in *.dsc; do dpkg-source -x $a; done
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05:48<brokencycle>I can't load my custom php.ini. I can see it being opened using strace, but the values displayed using phpinfo() are completely bogus (from yesterday's broken version of said file). Rebooting the machine didn't help.
05:51<brokencycle>I suspect some kernel problem (memory pages not cleared, but just re-used).
05:51<brokencycle>How can I force strace to emit the complete contents of all files read?
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05:55<jm_>pass appropriate value to -s switch
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05:58<mjk>Is there a way to automatically detect all installed OSs and add them to GRUB's menu.lst? I.e. without installier, just from the running system (Testing, Grub2).
05:58<jm_>mjk: yes
05:58<mjk>jm_: Yippiiiiiieh!
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05:59<Hideo>but he won't tell you though
05:59<mjk>jm_: -v, please =)
05:59<mjk>Hideo: =)
05:59<jm_>mjk: install os-prober package
05:59<mjk>jm_: Aaaah, that's a promising name!
06:00<brokencycle>jm_: I passed '0' to mean "everything", but it did not help.
06:00<brokencycle>The documentation doesn't say whether that was a good idea, though, and the machine is currently down. :/
06:00<jm_>brokencycle: no it doesn't mean that, -s 16384 is usually good neough
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06:02<brokencycle>jm_: This suggests that no more than 16k will be read(2) in each turn, thus resulting in the whole file being shown after all read(2)s completed.
06:03<brokencycle>I'll try that next time.
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06:03<jm_>brokencycle: no, that's for strace - app can still read 1M if it wants to
06:04<daniel>could anyone help me why i cant get desktop working with nvidia 9800GTX in debian ?
06:04<jm_>daniel: which version?
06:04<daniel>4.0 i386
06:05<jm_>then the answer is no, my mom has no clue what debian is so she can't help you
06:05<Hideo>lol, where did that come from =D
06:05<daniel>yeah lol
06:05<jm_>seriously, don't ask yes/no/anyone questions
06:05<brokencycle>jm_: If the app would read the whole php.ini (~30k) in one go, then I'll need to take a larger number. Understood.
06:05<jm_>you need nvidia driver from sid
06:05<daniel>i just wondering if anyone expirece the same problem with 9800gtx
06:05<jm_>brokencycle: exactyl!
06:05<mjk>jm_: Although os-prober fails to detect my Debian/kFreeBSD slice: Thanks for the hint! :-)
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06:06<jm_>i only have 8800gt - i wish i had your problem
06:06<brokencycle>thank you!
06:06<Hideo>jm_: you're helping too many people with Nvidia problems
06:06<daniel>is just funny it work on ubuntu hardy 8.04
06:07<jm_>mjk: os-prober is more for stuff like windows, linux-boot-prober is for linux systems
06:07<Nemoder>Hideo: I was just thinking that same thing.. why is there no backport for it?
06:07<jm_>ubuntu has newer nvidia driver
06:07<daniel>proberley there soon will be one for debian too
06:07<jm_>FSVO soon
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06:08<Hideo>limit (soon --> 0)
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06:09<jm_>sometimes people don't get my "jokes"
06:09<Hideo>ah well -_-
06:10<jm_>looks like his lol wasn't honest
06:12<Hideo>jm_: know of anyway to get 6to4 working behind NAT?
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06:15<jm_>Hideo: hmm not really
06:16<odon7>same network I've got 3 AP. What ssid need?
06:17<Hideo>odon7: rephrase that, I don't quite understand what you asked
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06:17<odon7>common or not common?
06:18<Hideo>odon7: all 3 AP's have the same ssid, or different?
06:18<kcynice>although i have stopped apache, the port 80 it used still have not released, so port 80 would not be used by other programs, how to resolve it?
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06:18<odon7>different or not different?
06:18<odon7>: )
06:19<jm_>!tell kcynice -about open ports
06:19<odon7>I dont know
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06:20<Hideo>odon7: use "iwlist <wifi interface> scan" and find out
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06:21<odon7>my questinon, if I've 3 ap the ssid must be common?
06:22<odon7>ap access point
06:22<odon7>: )
06:22<Hideo>odon7: usually you would want it to be common, since that way you can roam freely anywhere in range of the 3 AP's
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06:25<odon7>thank you Hideo
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06:41<spezticle>jm_ that line you posted for me, for a in *.dsc; do dpkg-source -x $a; only returns:
06:41<Hideo>you forgot the done part
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06:41<Hideo> for a in *.dsc; do dpkg-source -x $a; done
06:41<spezticle>i thought he was just saying done
06:42<spezticle>as if to say there, that easy. rofl.
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06:46<jm_>you're not done by any means once you run that, it's only the start
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06:49<sheldonh>jm_: depends. if it's your first package ever, i'd say it's the end of the beginning :)
06:49<jm_>sheldonh: heh
06:49<sheldonh>wish me luck. asterisk upgrades today. *sigh* bloody cowboys
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06:50<spezticle>how do you copy via command line? i'm getting too tired to google
06:51<jm_>copy what?
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06:51<sheldonh>spezticle: cp. tar. scp. wget. ftp. depending on what you want to do, it could be one of those
06:52<Hideo>he might have meant like copy and paste
06:52<jm_>yeah I was thinking it's about that
06:53<spezticle>im just trying to get the packages that i put on cd on my linux box's hdd
06:53<spezticle>yeah copy paste lol
06:54<spezticle>im still used to ms-dos commands :-\
06:54<Hideo>now I'm not sure, you mean like copy and paste files, not copy and paste text right?
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06:54<spezticle>yeah, files
06:54<jm_>yeah cp is for copying from CD
06:54<Hideo>or rsync
06:55<spezticle>normally i'd type copy *.* /folder or something based on MS logic. i'll play with those commands, see what they do :)
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06:56<matth>jm_: prolly because I want to know how far it can go, simply. Any hints about the real question ?
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07:05<padski>matth, please repeat your question
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07:06<jm_>matth: you can easily send it with nc
07:07<Hideo>padski: something about benchmarking syslog
07:07<padski>Hideo, I remember that much :-)
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07:14<spezticle>i'm going to bed. been up all night. i cann't think anymore.. thanks a lot guys... it's 7am here and i've been doin this since about 11pm last night
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07:30<Kebab>Hi, anyone give me a hint on how to set up a laptop with wifi on debian? seemed to work well off the bat with ubuntu before i installed etch
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07:32<Kebab>I cant connect to the net with it
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07:32<gsimmons>Kebab: That's dependent on your chipset within your laptop's wireless device. What do you have?
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07:33<Kebab>gsimmons, it's a sattelite pro 120A toshiba
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07:36<Hideo>Kebab: he asked what chipset your wireless card has, not what laptop you have
07:37<Hideo>try "lspci -v" and tell us
07:37<gsimmons>Kebab: You probably have a IPW3945ABG chipset within your laptop. Install the 'pciutils' package and use the `lspci' command to verify this. Ask dpkg about ipw3945 (ie. /msg dpkg ipw3945) if you have one.
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07:40<Kebab>Hideo, PRO/wireless 3945abg
07:40<Kebab>does that sound right? got that through lspci
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07:42<Hideo>Kebab: great, that means it's relatively easy, do what gsimmons said
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07:42<Kebab>yep gonna try that now ;)
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07:44<Kebab>pciutils seems to be installed already from spm
07:44<Hideo>yes, you've just verified that you have a ipw3945 chipset, all you have to do is msg dpkg for directions
07:45<Kebab>Will do that.. cheers for the help ;)
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10:08<AzaTht>should an entry on resolv.conf pointing to "" be accepted, or should everything bail out?
10:08<AzaTht>instead of ending in .9
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10:09<maxb>Well, try it and see, and it all depends on the strictness of the parser, but I'd say it has a good chance of being valid
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10:10<monitor>tudo bem
10:10<GauravSaxena>has anyone used tex or latex for typesetting documents in linux ?
10:12<witte>GauravSaxena: of course, but what is your real question
10:12<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
10:13<AzaTht>maxb: we noticed that fetchmail bailed out, but nothing else in the system
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10:14<maxb>Hmm. Perhaps fetchmail uses a different DNS resolver library ?
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10:17<GauravSaxena>I wish to write up my resume in tex, as I read about the differences in the way word processor programs differ from latex etc.. I wanted to know if that is advisable
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10:37<witte>GauravSaxena: i have written my cv in latex, but, i am not sure if it is that advisible. It is just possible to do so. I would not learn latex for just writing your cv
10:38<witte>GauravSaxena: the main power of latex lies in writing large technical documents with a bunch of formulas and references
10:39<GauravSaxena>witte: I am also writing my graduate level thesis in latex.. so figured could use that knowledge.. one question lingers.. how do I know what font choices etc. I have ?
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10:40<witte>GauravSaxena: i usually use the latex compagnion 2nd edition if i want to know something about latex. It should be in your university library
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10:41<eddieB>i'm a noob to Linux. can someone help me with installing winRAR on Debian?
10:41<witte>GauravSaxena: I just used the fourier packages for my fonts, (i like my cv to be plain and clean)
10:42<witte>eddieB: why would you like winrar? use the linux equivalent
10:42<Nemoder>eddieB: ..winrar is a windows app not a linux app. try file-roller instead
10:42<dpkg>somebody said rar was an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about <unrar>
10:42<dpkg>from memory, unrar is a <non-free> package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free>
10:43<eddieB>can it split files into 100mb chunks and password protect them?
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10:46<Nemoder>the non-free rar command line app can, I don't think file-roller can do it in the gui
10:46<witte>eddieB: don't know, never use it
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10:46<eddieB>hmm.. well can anyone help me install winrar?
10:47<eddieB>i think i may already have installed it. but don't know how to open it
10:47<Nemoder>eddieB: we can really only help with debian linux apps here, not windows apps
10:47<eddieB>it is a debian app
10:48<eddieB>you can download it for windows as well but i'm talking about the debian version
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10:49<eddieB>command line
10:49<Nemoder>eddieB: yes that's just rar not winrar, although I would recommend installing the debian package from non-free instead
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10:50<GauravSaxena>witte: likewise.. the CS dept has their version of a basic tex file available which I am using for that document, can we use TeX on windows?
10:50<eddieB>i'd rather not pay. plus i know this version does exactly what i need
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10:51<Hideo>!tell eddieB about non-free
10:51<witte>GauravSaxena: yes, there are tex implementations on windows as well...
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10:52<Pizarro>How can I know which kernel I am using 32bits or 64bits?
10:53<Nemoder>Pizarro: uname -m
10:53<Pizarro>Nemoder, thank you
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10:53<eddieB>so how much is this non-free version?
10:53<Pizarro>Nemoder, 64, XD
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10:53<Nemoder>eddieB: it is non-libre not non-gratis
10:54<dartmei>you must be a fellow american
10:54<dartmei> ;)
10:54<dartmei>it costs nothing, i think that just means its closed source
10:54<eddieB>oh lol
10:54<pabs>Nemoder: file-roller opens rar files fine in sid (with unrar-nonfree installed)
10:55<eddieB>well that's a very misleading title..
10:55<Nemoder>pabs: yes, but he was asking about creating split volumes, file-roller can't do that
10:55<Nemoder>although I think it can open them
10:55<pabs>Nemoder: ah, missed that bit
10:55<Nemoder>eddieB: I blame society for ranking price above freedom :(
10:56<eddieB>heh, so where do i get the non-free copy?
10:57<Hideo>!tell eddieB about non-free
10:57<witte>it could also be that the license is not according to the debian policy (even open source cna be in non-free)
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10:59<eddieB>okay, i'm at the website. what's the name of it?
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11:00<eddieB>i found 3 programs with rar capability
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11:00<Nemoder>eddieB: you can edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add non-free onto the end of the line, then apt-get update && apt-get install rar
11:01<Hideo>he failed to read that second sentence sent by dpkg not once but twice
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11:01<jerry>how to solve the problem "Couldn't connect to session bus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session"?
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11:02<eddieB>i read the second sentence. it told me to ask him about nonfree. i did and this is why i got back "I don't know, could you explain it?, eddieB"
11:02<Hideo>it told you to ask what, why don't ask it?
11:03<eddieB>To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>.
11:03<Nemoder>it's a chat bot, it doesn't always understand complex questions
11:03<Nemoder>!non-free sources
11:03<dpkg>[non-free sources] edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
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11:06<eddieB>how do i do the "edit /etc/apt/sources.list"
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11:06<hlfshell>what is the command to connect to a wireless network witha specific essid in terminal?
11:06<jerry>sudo vim /etc/apt/source.list
11:07<witte>jerry: don't advise vim to newbies
11:07<Nemoder>eddieB: or: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list if vim is too complex
11:07<Hideo>hlfshell: iwconfig <wifi interface> essid <........>
11:07<witte>jerry: no problem, but i remember the first time that i was in vim, i did not know how to get out
11:08<hlfshell>thanks Hideo - so iwconfig eth1 essid "XYZ" ?
11:08<Hideo>hlfshell: yeah
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11:08<hlfshell>so def use quotes?
11:08<Hideo>I'm not sure, I guess so
11:08<eddieB>okay. now i type aptitude update?
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11:09<hlfshell>it accepts it either way, but wont connect for either thusfar
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11:09<Nemoder>eddieB: yes once you add non-free and save the file then update
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11:09<Hideo>hlfshell: when you do iwconfig eth1 ; what does link-quality and signal say?
11:10<eddieB>i'm still confused as to what i do at this point
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11:10<Hideo>hlfshell: is that interface up?
11:11<Hideo>hlfshell: try "ifconfig eth1 up"
11:11<hlfshell>ifconfig eth1 up returns nothing, goes to next prompt. then ifconfig -v shows eth1
11:11<Nemoder>eddieB: sources.list is a text configuration file for apt, you have to edit it with a text editor to add non-free
11:11<hlfshell>with plenty of Tx bytes and 0 Rx bytes, fyi
11:11<eddieB>how do i do that?
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11:12<witte>hlfshell: dhclient eth1
11:12<hlfshell>running now.... annnnnnd sitting here.
11:12<Hideo>witte: but his signal is 0
11:12<hlfshell>its doing DHCP discover
11:12<Nemoder>eddieB: if you don't know how to use a text editor you may be in trouble..
11:13<Hideo>hlfshell: what does plain "iwconfig" say?
11:13<eddieB>this is my first time using Linux
11:13<hlfshell>the strange thing is when i did iwlist it said that it had 100/100 link quality
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11:13<hlfshell>ok, quit out of dhclient. it says that eth1 is my wirless card, ESSID: CorrectName, Nickname: "zd1211" (my driver name) link quality 0/100.... actually, let me paste it for you, one sec....
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11:14<Nemoder>eddieB: I recommend using nano, it's a fairly simple text editor that is usually installed by default
11:14<eddieB>ya. i'm in nano right now
11:14<Nemoder>eddieB: to edit the file login as root and run: nano /etc/apt/sources.list
11:14<eddieB>that's where i'm at
11:14<Hideo>hlfshell: hmm your access point says invalid
11:14<pabs>I'd suggest using synaptic for editing the repositories, easier for new users probably
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11:15<hlfshell>would the fact that it is a shared network with another laptop effect this Hideo ? we are trying to test it on an unprotected network since i have to get wifi working with WPA enterprise networks.
11:15<Nemoder>eddieB: at the line that says something like "..main contrib" add non-free so it says "..main contrib non-free"
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11:16<Hideo>hlfshell: what mode did you set the card in, managed or adhoc?
11:16<hlfshell>on the laptop or on my board?
11:16<eddieB>it already says that
11:16<Hideo>the eth1
11:16<Nemoder>eddieB: then you can press ctrl-x to exit and save
11:16<hlfshell>i did not set anything - how would oyu do that? and whats the difference?
11:17<Nemoder>eddieB: then run aptitude update
11:17<eddieB>i've already done this is think..
11:17<Hideo>hlfshell: oh nvm
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11:17<eddieB>but i'll try again. how do i do it?
11:17<Nemoder>eddieB: then run aptitude install rar
11:17<Hideo>hlfshell: try "iwconfig eth1 ap <MAC OF AP>"
11:18<eddieB>so i type "aptitude install rar"?
11:18<Nemoder>eddieB: yes
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11:18<eddieB>-bash: aptitude: command not found
11:18<hlfshell>went right ot prompt. checking iwconfig
11:18<eddieB>that's what i got
11:18<Hideo>eddieB: apt-get install rar
11:18<hlfshell>same thing Hideo
11:18<Nemoder>eddieB: what version of debian are you using?
11:19<eddieB>-bash: apt-get: command not found
11:19<Hideo>oh, you need to be root
11:19<eddieB>not sure. how can i find out?
11:19<Hideo>try "sudo apt-get install rar"
11:19<Nemoder>Hideo: even if he's not root it shouldn't say command not found
11:19<eddieB>i am root
11:19<Hideo>Nemoder: oh, you're right
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11:20<Nemoder>eddieB: it sounds like you aren't running debian at all, did you install it yourself?
11:20<eddieB>sudo: apt-get: command not found
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11:20<hlfshell>any other idea Hideo ?
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11:20<Hideo>hlfshell: not sure
11:20<hlfshell>well thakns for the help Hideo :-)
11:20<Hideo>hlfshell: don't know why your ap says invalid
11:21<hlfshell>eddieB - you aren't logged in as root naturally, right?
11:21<Nemoder>eddieB: then you should probably contact whoever installed it and ask them
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11:21<dartmei>eddieB: do you have yum?
11:21<eddieB>no i have apt
11:22<eddieB>i'm positive i'm running Debian
11:22<hlfshell>Hideo - does it matter that it is a windows laptop running the network and it is very temporary?
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11:22<Hideo>hlfshell: wait, so you're trying to connect 2 machines together in an adhoc network?
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11:23<Hideo>hlfshell: "iwconfig eth1 mode Ad-Hoc"
11:24<Hideo>then iwconfig eth1 again, see what it says
11:25<Hideo>in the mode fied, what does it say?
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11:26<Hideo>link quality, signal level?
11:26<hlfshell>0/100, signal 67/100
11:26<eddieB>can anyone help me install rar?
11:26<Hideo>hlfshell: hmmm I'm not sure what's wrong
11:27<Hideo>hlfshell: are they in range of each other?
11:27<hlfshell>alright then... thanks. I have a feeling its something driver side and not the actual connection
11:27<hlfshell>yah... the laptop is maybe 7 feet from me
11:28<Hideo>hlfshell: does it connect normally to an open ap?
11:28<dartmei>eddieB: if apt-get or aptitude isn't there, your best bet is either dpkg or synaptic
11:28<hlfshell>thats what this was supposed to test, as we're in a lab with very restricted Wifi usage - every network is WPA Enterprise encrypted. I Think I did everything to set THAT up correctly, but it still never connected. we created the temporary network on the laptop in order to see if it can connect to an unprotected network.
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11:29<pabs>eddieB: how do you usually install new software on it?
11:29<dartmei>eddieB: try something like "whereis synaptic" or "whereis dpkg" to see if you have those
11:29<eddieB>this is my first day using Linux
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11:30<pabs>do you have a terminal open?
11:30<Hideo>hlfshell: what card is it?
11:30<hlfshell>IOGEAR USB Wifi
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11:30<Hideo>do you know the chipset also?
11:30<eddieB>dartmei. it's showing i have both of those
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11:31<hlfshell>one sec i got the manual(s) right here
11:31<pabs>run synaptic, that is a nice GUI for apt
11:31<dartmei>yeah, synaptic is probably your best bet
11:31<Hideo>hlfshell: try "lspci -v" and look in there
11:31<eddieB>okay. so how do i do that?
11:32<hlfshell>Hideo: the manual says it is Wireless-G USB 2.0 Adapter, GWU523 package. Give me a sec to try and dig up the chipset.
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11:32<dartmei>are you running gnome or something like that?
11:32<hlfshell>lspci command not found
11:32<pabs>eddieB: try System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager
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11:33<Hideo>hlfshell: "apt-get install pciutils"
11:33<hlfshell> is the thing im using
11:33<hlfshell>not sure if you can tell chipset from that
11:33<Hideo>may be you need lsusb
11:33<pabs>eddieB: if you're using GNOME, the System menu should be at the top left of the screen next to Places/Applications
11:34<eddieB>@pabs in terminal?
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11:34<pabs>eddieB: from a terminal you'd type 'sudo synaptic' without quotes
11:34<eddieB>when i connect am i supposed to be in ssh?
11:34<hlfshell>Hideo - should i still install pci?
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11:35<Hideo>hlfshell: it doesn't hurt to have
11:35<eddieB>sudo: synaptic: command not found
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11:36<hlfshell>hold on accidentally reboot system.
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11:36<Hideo>hlfshell: ok, then tell me what does "lsmod | grep -i zd" say?
11:36<hlfshell>before or after pciutils is installed?
11:36<Hideo>hlfshell: doesn't matter
11:37<hlfshell>one sec ill paste it
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11:37<antinul>does anyone know if i buy an apc UPS for my server if there is shutdown software for debian that wi9ll work with it?
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11:37<pabs>eddieB: try sudo /usr/sbin/synaptic
11:38<eddieB>-bash: sudo: command not found
11:38<Hideo>hlfshell: it looks like you have the right drivers loaded
11:38<hlfshell>installing pciutils now
11:38<Nemoder>eddieB: are you running your irc client on a separate computer?
11:38<eddieB>that's what i get
11:38<Hideo>hlfshell: says that the wifi card uses a zydas1211 chipset
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11:38<Hideo>which you have
11:38<hlfshell>thought so.
11:38<hlfshell>ok, pciutils is installed.
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11:39<eddieB>how do i do the highlight thing? so you guys know who i'm talking to?
11:39<Hideo>hlfshell: it doesn't matter anymore, but you can try lspci -v and see if you can spot the wifi card in there
11:39<hlfshell>um it didnt do anything- went right back to prompt
11:40<Nemoder>eddieB: you just type their name in front
11:40<hlfshell>but would lspci show anything if its usb?
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11:40<Hideo>maybe not
11:40<eddieB>nemoder yes, i'm on another computer
11:40<eddieB>doesn't work for me..
11:40<Nemoder>eddieB: ok, ctcp version said mac osx so I wanted to make sure you didn't think that was debian :)
11:41<Hideo>Nemoder: lmao
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11:41<hlfshell>wow lots of stuff with that, hold on ill paste it. also, im going to remove the lspciutils stuff too
11:41<pabs>eddieB: type this command in the terminal and paste the result to the website: ls -l /usr/*bin/*synaptic* /usr/*bin/*sudo* /usr/*bin/*apt*
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11:42<eddieB>pabs: done
11:42<Hideo>hlfshell: yeah, it looks like you had the right driver loaded
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11:43<Hideo>eddieB: you're running osx
11:44<dartmei>he's a witch!
11:44<Hideo>eddieB: that means you don't have apt-get/aptitude/synaptic on osx
11:44<eddieB>am i supposed to?
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11:44<pabs>osx isn't Debian
11:44<Hideo>and earlier you said you were positive you ran Debian
11:44<eddieB>i know that
11:45<eddieB>i am positive
11:45<eddieB>do you want the url pabs?
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11:45<pabs>eddieB: found it, looks like you have all the right stuff installed, no idea why you cannot run any of them
11:46<pabs>assuming it is this one:
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11:46<dartmei>try ". /usr/bin/aptitude"
11:46<hlfshell>any other ideas Hideo?
11:47<Hideo>hlfshell: no, sry, you have the right drivers
11:47<pabs>dartmei: ahh, aptitude isn't written in shell :)
11:47<hlfshell>thanks anyway Hideo :-)
11:47<eddieB>done@ dartmei
11:48<Hideo>hlfshell: sure, try googling more on that card, I guess
11:49<eddieB>i have 4 options
11:49<eddieB>installed packages
11:49<eddieB>not installed packages
11:49<eddieB>virtual packages
11:49<eddieB>and tasks
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11:50<dartmei>aptitude's pretty easy to use, to search type / then your search query, + and - install/uninstall, and "g" will perform pending actions
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11:51<eddieB>but what am i searching for
11:52<eddieB>it found unrar-free
11:52<Hideo>I think he wants "rar"
11:52<eddieB>i want any rar program that can split files into 100mb chucks and password protect them
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11:53<Hideo>then look for rar
11:53<dartmei>oh ok, well you know, whatever said program you need :)
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11:53<eddieB>okay, i found it
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11:55<eddieB>not sure what i do next?
11:55<Hideo>eddieB: just curious, are you running debian in a chroot on osx?
11:55<Hideo>eddieB: next you install it
11:56<eddieB>nope i'm running it on Terminal on osx and vnc in Windows
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11:57<eddieB>should i paste what i'm seeing in that website? i don't see how to install..
11:57<dartmei> ? will show you the commands
11:57<dartmei>+ should mark it for installation
11:57<dartmei>g will do it
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11:58<shze>is bug #484789 a problem in apt-listbugs or in BTS?
11:58<eddieB>No packages are scheduled to be installed, remove or upgraded.
12:00<eddieB>that's what i get when i hit g
12:00<dartmei>you've got to mark it with a +
12:00<dartmei>the ? should help you get going
12:00<dartmei>you know how linux is with documentation
12:00<eddieB>so +g
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12:02<eddieB>i think it worked. how can i check?
12:02<Hideo>try rar
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12:02<eddieB>ya i did
12:03<eddieB>then i hit g. i'm pretty sure it worked
12:03<Hideo>then try typing rar
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12:04<eddieB>what am i supposed to see when i type rar?
12:05<Hideo>smoke, lots of it
12:05<avu>something other than 'command not found'? :)
12:06<dartmei>"rar --help" should show you command line options
12:06<Hideo>rar alone also shows you the options
12:06<fxiny>when typing rar you should read : bzip2 works just fine
12:07<eddieB>rar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by rar)
12:07<eddieB>that's what i get
12:08<Hideo>well there you go, that's what you get for having a mixed nut bag
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12:12<Hideo>eddieB: I still don't understand what you meant by " running debian on terminal on osx"
12:13<eddieB>how not?
12:13<eddieB>terminal on osx is like putty on windows
12:14<dartmei>do you know which version of debian you are running?
12:14<eddieB>no. is there a way i can find out?
12:14<Hideo>so terminal here is like ssh, not the terminal
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12:14<eddieB>i think so
12:15<dartmei>well I can't imagine why your sources.list would be some other version, but something like "apt-cache policy libc6" is a good starting point
12:16<Hideo>eddieB: cat /etc/debian_version
12:16<dartmei>much easier
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12:18<Hideo>eddieB: paste your sources.list on a paste site
12:18<Pizarro>I can't see the videos in Youtube with Firefox, Can anyone hekop me please?
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12:19<Hideo>!tell Pizarro about adobe flash
12:20<eddieB>how do i do that @ Hideo
12:20<Hideo>!tell eddieB about paste
12:20<eddieB>get the sources list
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12:21<Hideo>I don't know how to use the Terminal app in osx, but it should be able to copy from a remote ssh server
12:21<eddieB>i mean how do i get to the part you want me to copy
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12:22<eddieB>what do i type in terminal
12:22<Hideo>eddieB: the file is /etc/apt/sources.list
12:22<Pizarro>Hideo, I already have that plugin installed, but no video on screen
12:23<Hideo>eddieB: what you do with Terminal to copy it, I don't know
12:23<eddieB>-bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
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12:23<Hideo>Pizarro: is flashblock or noscript installed?
12:23<Hideo>eddieB: are you root?
12:24<Torsten_W>eddieB: u can't execute tis
12:24<Torsten_W>eddieB: open this file in a editor
12:24<Hideo>oh, he was trying to execute it
12:24<Pizarro>Hideo, when I try to do a apt get flashplugin-nonfree the system says that it's already installed
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12:25<Nemoder>Pizarro: type about:plugins in the URL bar of your browser
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12:25<Pizarro>Nemoder, I have the Shocwave flash
12:26<Pizarro>Nemoder, Shockwave
12:26<Pizarro>Nemoder, that's the only thing with "flash"
12:26<Nemoder>Pizarro: what version does it say?
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12:26<Pizarro>Nemoder, 9.0 r124
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12:26<Hideo>Pizarro: is flashblock or noscript installed?
12:27<Pizarro>Nemoder, and olso for totem I have installed the video/flv mime
12:27<Pizarro>Hideo, How can I know that?
12:27<Hideo>tools menu, addons
12:28<Pizarro>Hideo, the only plugin I have installed with word "flash" is Shockwave Flash, 9.0r124
12:29<Hideo>does tools menu, addons have anything that say flashblock or noscript?
12:29<Hideo>Hideo: plugins and extensions are 2 different things in firefox
12:30<Hideo>i'm drunk s/Hideo:/Pizarro:/
12:30<Pizarro>Hideo, only Shockwave in plugins
12:31<Nemoder>Pizarro: what happens on youtube? does it say missing plugin or a blank screen or what?
12:32<Pizarro>Nemoder, nothing happens, just a blank screen when the video it's suppossed to be.. normaly when you get a page with a new plugin Firefox lets you know to download it but not now and I don't know whyu
12:33<Nemoder>Pizarro: have you tried just restarting the browser?
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12:34<Pizarro>Nemoder, WTF? I restarted and the video is working now¿?¿?
12:34<Nemoder>Pizarro: adobe's flash is buggy, sometimes it will die until browser is restarted
12:35<eddieB>Hideo, how do i check if it installed correctly
12:35<Hideo>eddieB: you just did, it gave you an error
12:35<Pizarro>Nemoder, well, anyway thanks a lot!, but I feel now so silly
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12:36<eddieB>is there a way to do this in vnc
12:36<Hideo>vnc doesn't copy files as far as I know
12:37<Hideo>look in the Terminal app in osx, there should be a way to copy it
12:37<eddieB>so is it possible for me to get this working?
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12:37<Hideo>not unless we find out what the problem is?
12:38<eddieB>how can we do that?
12:38<Hideo>I told you
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12:39<eddieB>can ya refresh my memory?
12:39<Hideo>scroll up please
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12:41<eddieB>i don't see it. plus i've never asked that question.. but nevermind. would it help if i give you the website i purchased my server from?
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12:42<Hideo>last time, copy the /etc/apt/sources.list file and paste it on a paste site
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12:42<Hideo>it doesn't get any simpler than that
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12:42<eddieB>-bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
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12:43<eddieB>i tried that before..
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12:43<Hideo>12.24.04 # <Torsten_W> eddieB: u can't execute tis
12:43<Hideo>copy it , not execute it
12:44<Hideo>12.37.15 # <Hideo> look in the Terminal app in osx, there should be a way to copy it
12:44<eddieB>yes. there is a way to copy. my problem is i have no idea what you want me to copy
12:45<Hideo>I give up
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12:45<Amaranth`>cheers all!
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12:46<eddieB>: last time, copy the /etc/apt/sources.list file and paste it on a paste site
12:46<Amaranth`>how can i close some of the ports that are opened? on 4.0 etch?
12:46<eddieB>you never tell me how to get what you want me to copy
12:46<Hideo>what part of " copy the /etc/apt/sources.list file" don't you understand?
12:46<Torsten_W>Amaranth`: kill the app, who is listening on this port
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12:47<Hideo>eddieB: /etc/apt/sources.list is what I want you to copy to your osx machine so that you can post to a paste site
12:47<Amaranth`>Torsten_W ..i agree with that..but i still need some of the apps running..
12:47<Amaranth`>what about a firewall?
12:47<Amaranth`>does the job?
12:48<Amaranth`>against syn attack
12:48<eddieB>i understand you telling me to do it. i don't understand how to get to sources.list when it tells me permission denied
12:48<Torsten_W>if u can configure such, yes
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12:48<Torsten_W>eddieB: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
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12:48<Torsten_W>eddieB: then you see the content of the file in terminal
12:49<Amaranth`>cheers all..
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12:49<eddieB>see. that's all you had to tell me Hideo
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12:49<qq_>eddieB: as root
12:50<eddieB>added to paste site
12:50<Torsten_W>no root needed
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12:51<noflash>eddieB, you'll need to give up the url of the paste
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12:51<Pizarro>Which key is "SUper" in the keyboard????
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12:52<Hideo>oh great,
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12:52<jetrost>Pizarro, usually the "Windows" key
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12:52<drith>hello to everyone
12:52<eddieB>is that bad Hideo?
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12:53<Pizarro>jetrost, ok thanks
12:53<Hideo>eddieB: I don't know, looks like you have a debian machine with mixed sources
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12:54<eddieB>that means..?
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12:55<Hideo>eddieB: your hosting providers have their own mirror of the debian packages, how up to date, or what they changed to the packages we don't know
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12:55<eddieB>i made a few changes. maybe this might help. one sec
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12:56<KammyDoe>Why is it
12:56<KammyDoe>That sometimes
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12:56<KammyDoe>My PPC debian boots up without wireless capabilities?
12:56<eddieB>all up until the FTP server changes
12:56<KammyDoe>It just, wont... work..
12:56<eddieB>it wouldn't let me do that
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12:58<Nemoder>maybe it needs a pay raise?
12:59<Hideo>eddieB: add these 2 lines in there,
12:59<Hideo>then "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade"
12:59<Pizarro>Compiz are really cool!, very smoth and quick in the same machine where Vista was unable to magane 3 windows in 3D!!!!
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12:59<Hideo>your milage may vary
12:59<Hideo>anyone here see what's wrong with what I'm showing him please shout
13:00<Nemoder>Hideo: if he's using some kind of custom repo it could break the system
13:00<Hideo>Nemoder: that's what I'm afraid of
13:00<Hideo>Nemoder: looks like it was already broken though
13:00<Nemoder>although it kind of sounds like his system is already mostly broken
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13:01<eddieB>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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13:03<eddieB>i tried those 2 lines and got "-bash: deb-src: command not found
13:04<Nemoder>eddieB: echo $PATH
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13:04<Hideo>eddieB: did you add those 2 lines to /etc/apt/sources.list?
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13:04<Hideo>eddieB: after that, do "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade"
13:05<eddieB>no. i can do that with nano right?
13:05<Hideo>do what Nemoder said too
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13:05<Hideo>do it first, in fact, we want to see what's going on
13:07<schlurchz>Q: is it possible to replace a driver that's builtin in the kernel with a module?
13:07<ian>Hi. For which functions the program updatedb is used?
13:07<the-me>schlurchz, no
13:08<the-me>ian, locate
13:08<eddieB>@Hideo i added those 2 lines
13:08<ian>the-me: to locate files?
13:08<schlurchz>the-me: thanks... as exptected. :-( So, when I want to patch a builtin driver, I have to build an entire new kernel, right?
13:08<ian>the-me, ah to make locate faster?!
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13:09<Hideo>Nemoder: now what?
13:09<Hideo>go for it?
13:09<Nemoder>Hideo: don't ask me, I have no clue what state his system is in
13:09<schlurchz>ian: locate is not faster because of updatedb, it requires it.
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13:10<ian>schlurchz, but the tool updatedb - does it have a function itself?
13:10<Nemoder>ian: locate is much faster than find because of it
13:10<Hideo>Nemoder: I dunno either, it was broken before, but if we update upgrade, it may be broken further
13:11<Hideo>on the other hand we could get rid of the provider's repo and just use pure debian's
13:11<fxiny>same as for rar : debian does is just fine
13:11<schlurchz>ian: I think it only fosters the database for locate.
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13:12<Hideo>fxiny: what now?
13:13<fxiny>Hideo: now ? i'm busy checking why the bay is off
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13:15<Hideo>fxiny: is there anyway of setting like a preference, pinning one repo over another
13:16<__FoxM__>Hi! does anyone know how to change the UI language of iceweasel? I tried installing one of the the iceweasel-l10n-* packages and changed the locale preferences of iceweasel in about:config but still... does not change a thing...
13:16<fxiny>Hideo: one repo ? i trust only official debian repo
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13:17<Hideo>fxiny: me too, but we don't know if his provider has any critical packages from their own repo or not
13:17<Hideo>fxiny: if we only use debian's repo, it could break things
13:18<fxiny>Hideo: his provider ? you know what ? mine is hijacking all wrong url . this world is s*
13:19<Hideo>fxiny: his hosting provider
13:19<fxiny>Hideo: is using a debian repo his box explode it deserve to . why on earth he's not using official org org
13:19<fxiny>Hideo: does it support debian ? no ? so who cares
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13:20<fxiny>providers only want to put stats traffic up
13:21<Hideo>I see, it probably is best if he asks them to do whatever for him, since he hasn't a clue and we don't know how they set up the server
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13:21<Hideo>eddieB: ^^^
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13:22<eddieB>how about we try that repo thing..
13:22<eddieB>replace their repo
13:22<Hideo>eddieB: it could break it, if so it's your problem
13:23<eddieB>if it breaks. it can be rebuilt right?
13:23<Hideo>it's already broken so far, and we don't know what the hell was going on
13:23<eddieB>so basically it can't get any worse right?
13:23<Hideo>up to you
13:24<eddieB>let's do it
13:24<eddieB>it was free anyway..
13:24<eddieB>i don't really have anything to lose
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13:25<Hideo>fxiny: what's with the recent trend of newbies getting a hosted debian server and running rtorrent/ftp services on them
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13:26<Hideo>there must be an article somewhere that I missed
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13:26<pabs>looks like that is just a Debian mirror
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13:26<eddieB>we're only newbies to Linux because we don't want to pay an extra $30/month for windows
13:27<kipman>has anyone tried fluxbox with real transparency? if so was the performance hit bad?
13:27<fxiny>Hideo: yes ? are newbies kicking eyecandy for servers ? i'm glad they do . any links ?
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13:27<pabs>fxiny: they appear to be using
13:27<pabs>eddieB anyway
13:28<eddieB>most use ovh
13:28<Hideo>fxiny: lol, small steps, they should try 1. reading first, 2. install a desktop, 3. install on a local machine, but no, they all have to do it remotely, over ssh, with no GUI and no experience in the command line
13:29<willfrand>who can help me?
13:30<willfrand>Hideo, nobody?
13:30<Hideo>willfrand: do we get any incentive?
13:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
13:31<spezticle>can i use apt-get to install a package i've found by searching ?
13:31<eddieB>so Hideo how do i get this repo repleaced
13:31<pabs>eddieB: the repo looks fine to me, it is just a standard Debian mirror
13:31<pabs>so no need to replace IMO
13:32<qq> /* lighttpd/1.4.18 *
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13:32<eddieB>any suggestions on what i should do?
13:32<willfrand>dpkg, my english is very bad, but the spanish room, is vacuum, and i have problems with my atheros card
13:32<dpkg>...but my english is already something else...
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13:33<willfrand>i need first test my devices, how my net card, and my modem
13:33<qq> lighttpd can't support large charges
13:33<willfrand>somebody can to tell me how make it?
13:33<Hideo>pabs: if it isn't in here, , I wouldn't trust it
13:33<qq>as apache
13:34<willfrand>this is to probe if my devices are running correctly
13:34<eddieB>Hideo: do you think the changes i made from that link i gave you screwed it up?
13:34<pabs>Hideo: as long as you verify it is signed with the right GPG key, it should be fine
13:34<__FoxM__>Hi! does anyone know how to change the UI language of iceweasel? I tried installing one of the the iceweasel-l10n-* packages and changed the locale preferences of iceweasel in about:config but still... does not change a thing...
13:35<Hideo>pabs: it checked out?
13:36<fxiny>eddieB: no . chances are you screwd up . your isp mirror could be fine but if you want to play with debian do it debian way , one step at the time , no middle man
13:36<Hideo>!tell willfrand about madwifi
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13:37<eddieB>if i have no middle man i have no 100/100 connection
13:37<willfrand>somebody can do you help me ? i need to test if my devices how my netcard and my modem, and mi wifi atheros, are running correctly
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13:38<Hideo>eddieB: but either you or the one who set it up did something to screw your system up before you even came here, we don't know what changes were made
13:39<eddieB>ya you do. i gave you the link
13:39<Hideo>what link?
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13:39<pabs>Hideo: yeah, its signed by the same key as my sid laptop
13:39<eddieB>i made every change up until the FTP Server part
13:40<willfrand>somebody can do you help me ? i need to test if my devices how my netcard and my modem, and mi wifi atheros, are running correctly
13:40<willfrand>do you speak spanish?
13:41<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:41<eddieB>muy bien
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13:41<eddieB>^only spanish i remember from high school
13:41<willfrand>habls español?
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13:41<noflash>willfrand, try #debian-es
13:41<eddieB>have no clue what it means tho..
13:42<Pizarro>Which type of thems does Ubuntu have?
13:42<willfrand>noflash, but this room is along
13:42<noflash>Pizarro, #ubuntu
13:43<noflash>willfrand, you're having a hard time being understood
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13:43<eddieB>willfrand: are you using your wifi card now?
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13:45<ikeh>hey, i noticed a bad bug while doing the netinst, basically, i when using the silicon image 3112 sata driver , ( on a asus A7N8X-E Deluxe board that has the chip )
13:46<ikeh>Silicon Image chipset support has to be enabled
13:46<ikeh>or the chip or disk or something crashes
13:46<ikeh>not even a reboot saves it
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13:47<ikeh> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SIIMAGE that is
13:47<ikeh>the disk, chip or what ever can crash at any given time seemingly random
13:48<pabs>ikeh: please file an installation report:
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13:50<eddieB>Hindeo: did ya check out that link?
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13:50<Hideo>eddieB: assuming you only did the debian part, it was ok
13:51<eddieB>ya, i didn't do the others
13:51<Hideo>eddieB: it doesn't have anything to do with the error we saw earlier however
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13:51<eddieB>those 2 lines you told me to add. what were they for?
13:51<Hideo>eddieB: they were for the official debian repo
13:51<ozdeb>I am almost desperate with setting up a virtual server on machine can anyone help ?
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13:51<supernova>hi guys, i have a problem, i'm developing my first app with kdevelop + python and QT
13:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 368] by debhelper
13:52<eddieB>oh okay. will that delete everything i have on the server?
13:52<eddieB>adding a new repo
13:52<supernova>when i'm goin'to try the app the python interpreter gave me an error: module documentdetails not found
13:53<Hideo>eddieB: like pabs said, they are the same as the ones already in there by leaseweb, so no
13:53<supernova>i've already installed python-qt3
13:53<Hideo>eddieB: wouldn't affect your system either way
13:53<willfrand>eddieB, no, i'm coneccted by wire net
13:53<Hideo>willfrand: congratulations, you finally found the link dpkg sent
13:53<Hideo>now read it
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13:54<eddieB>so basically i'm all out of options?
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13:55<supernova>which package should i'll install in order to find the "documentdetails" module??
13:55<willfrand>Hey, excuse me, but, i'm a novate in ubuntu, and no seak english
13:55<avu>willfrand, you are also in the wrong channel
13:55<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
13:55<willfrand>Hideo and eddieB
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13:56<mrblonde_>hello guys
13:56<eddieB>willfrand: you might wanna try #routers on dalnet.
13:57<Hideo>eddieB: try "apt-get -f --reinstall install libc6-i686"
13:57<Hideo>whether that fixes it or not, I dunno
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13:58<eddieB>want me to past what i got on that site?
13:58<willfrand>Hideo, but how can to check and test my devices? to probe that are recognized, and running well?
13:58<Hideo>eddieB: ok
13:58<Hideo>willfrand: ifconfig
13:58<Hideo>willfrand: iwconfig
13:59<willfrand>well, how to use?
13:59<willfrand>this commands?
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13:59<rjent>Greetings, if I wanted to store 1,000,000 files of size 80k in only one deep of folders (/one_deep_of_count_N), which filesystem type should I use?
13:59<Hideo>eddieB: "apt-get update ; apt-get -f --reinstall install libc6-i686"
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14:00<spezticle>how do i add contrib and non-free sources to my sources.list without gui?
14:00<astronut>does anyone know of a windows sshfs equivelent (lets you map a ssh session to a network drive or whatever)
14:00<eddieB>paste again?
14:00<Hideo>spezticle: use a text editor, like nano
14:01<Hideo>eddieB: go ahead
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14:01<spezticle>Hideo i've figured that part out haha, i'm just not certain on systex
14:01<supernova>@spezticle: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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14:02<Hideo>eddieB: try running rar again
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14:03<synz>ubuntu, unsupported
14:03<eddieB>through cd rar?
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14:03<Hideo>eddieB: just type rar
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14:04<eddieB>rar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by rar)
14:04<Hideo>if it doesn't work, your system is borked, and we have neither the means nor the will to fix it, tell your host provider
14:04<synz>anyone else having troubles with system-tools-backends in Lenny?
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14:05<eddieB>when i do cd rar it lets me in. is there a way to open it from there?
14:05<fxiny>eddieB: tyoe : file /lib/
14:06<Hideo>what do you mean cd rar?
14:06<eddieB>./lib/ ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, stripped
14:07<ikeh>hm, i noticed something strange when doing the install from a usb stick too, basically it didnt find the iso image, but if extracted the image straight on to the disk it worked, this was after doing the zcat thing
14:07<fxiny>eddieB: now type : apt-cache policy libc6-i686
14:08<ikeh>man its good to be back in linux
14:08<pabs>and apt-cache policy rar
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14:08<pabs>looks like eddieB is hitting this:
14:08<Hideo>2.3.6 of libc6-i686 should be in etch
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14:09<spezticle>deb stable main contrib non-free
14:09<shoemaker>trying to get a sarge update for the recent bind vulnerability. the main site says its in backports, but the most recent update on is from sept of '07
14:09<spezticle>if i add that to my sources.list i'll be good?
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14:10<fxiny>eddieB: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ symbolic link to `'
14:10<qq>spezticle: deb http://*ftp* ...
14:10<fxiny>i'd make it
14:10<fxiny>just to see
14:10<Hideo>pabs: nice, but isn't 3.7b1-2 the fixed version in that bug report also in stable?
14:10<spezticle>why *ftp* ? that will include multiple ftp's? just wondering qq
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14:11<astronut>spezticle: it's the name of the server
14:11<eddieB>fxiny: do i type something after that?
14:11<pabs>Hideo: yeah. pinging the maintainer on #debian-devel, hopefully he can help
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14:11<spezticle>oh... i can't wait till i've done this long enough i wont have to ask all this stuff... thanks gusy
14:11<qq>spezticle: no, only us.
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14:12<fxiny>eddieB: i'd try : ln -s /lib/ /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
14:12<gsimmons>shoemaker: Security updates have ceased for both sarge (aka "oldstable") and sarge-backports.
14:12<valdyn>shoemaker: you realise that sarge is not supported anymore?
14:12<fxiny>eddieB: then tyoe rar again
14:12<shoemaker>yep, not my decision, just trying to make the boss happy
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14:12<shoemaker>but maybe now I can make him upgrade the damn thing
14:12<shoemaker>thanks for the info
14:13<eddieB>> ln -s /lib/ /lib/tls/i686/cmov/
14:13<eddieB>> rar
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14:13<eddieB>that's all i get
14:13<valdyn>shoemaker: you could probably backport etch's bind
14:13<pabs>eddieB: rar --help should print something
14:14<fxiny>eddieB: so is more then a missing symlink
14:14<fxiny>eddieB: reinstall rar
14:14<spezticle>If i want to add unstable releases, do i simply replace stable main contrib non-free w/ unstable main contrib non-free ?
14:14<eddieB>how do i get out of this
14:15<eddieB>this has never happened before
14:15<spezticle>because basically i'm trying to get the Sid release of the nvidia kernel
14:15<avu>spezticle, if you don't know how to enable unstable, you probably shouldn't enable unstable ;)
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14:15<spezticle>avu haha well, apparently the stable sources for my 9600 wont work, i need the unstable "sid"
14:16<spezticle>avu or so i was told
14:16<Hideo>pabs, fxiny that is only one issue, he had something weird earlier where he would get "command not found" when trying to apt-get
14:16<fxiny> /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ is from libc6-i686
14:16<ircMonkey>Hi, what can prevent a usb key to appear when I do lsusb?
14:16<ircMonkey>I am in the good groups
14:17<fxiny>Hideo: yes ? so is a supaborked box
14:17<ircMonkey>I can see it on one lenny computer, but not on an other. Why?
14:17<eddieB>-bash: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ Permission denied
14:17<fxiny>what ? you just typed /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ ?
14:17<fxiny>wt4x !
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14:18<fxiny>lemme scroll
14:18<hlfshell>still fighting the good fight eddie?
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14:18<eddieB>lol yup
14:18<fxiny>18:45 < Hideo> I give up : mee too :)
14:18<fxiny>Hideo: :))
14:18<Hideo>I'm sorry =P
14:18<eddieB>how can i completely delete the rar stuff i downloaded?
14:19<hlfshell>sudo rm filename
14:19<hlfshell>you might not even need sudo
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14:20<hlfshell>better way?
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14:20<eddieB>okay, how do i delete the directory "rar"
14:20<fxiny>eddieB: there is something wrong with your install . we all see a missing libc6-i686 symlink , which is bad and maybe very bad
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14:21<qq>so reinstall
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14:21<eddieB>would a reinstall fix it?
14:22<qq>reinstall debian
14:22<Hideo>Wasn't it the same competent host provider installed it? Not sure
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14:23<ircMonkey>about my usb mass storage; what is required for it to work?
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14:23<qq>ircMonkey: add to fstab ?
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14:24<Hideo>ircMonkey: pmount
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14:24<fxiny>eddieB: if your host provider can't istall debian , tell him to hire a debian professional
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14:24<fxiny>tell him off
14:25<eddieB>i can't tell him off. he gave me this dedicated server for free. he might take it back
14:25<EmleyMoor>You can teach a chicken to install Debian
14:25<Hideo>Debian should install fine, problem is, the provider probably did something afterward to bork the system
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14:26<eddieB>is there any way to remove this rar directory?
14:27<fxiny>eddieB: aptitude purge rar
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14:27<ircMonkey>Hideo: I already have pmount, I just checked
14:27<eddieB>still there
14:28<EmleyMoor>eddieB: Where is this directory?
14:28<Hideo>ircMonkey: then "pmount /dev/<whatever your usb device>"
14:28<Hideo>ircMonkey: it should be mounted in /media/<your usb device>
14:29<EmleyMoor>eddieB: And it's just a directory called "rar"?
14:29<fxiny>empty ?
14:30<ircMonkey>Hideo: is it normal I don't have it with lsusb?
14:30<Hideo>ircMonkey: when you plug the usb key in, what does dmesg say?
14:31<eddieB>here's the files in directory
14:31<Hideo>ircMonkey: it should say sdb or sdc, etc...
14:31<Hideo>eddieB: where the heck did those come from?
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14:32<eddieB>they've been there for a long time
14:32<ircMonkey>Hideo: this: usb 4-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 57 (hundred lines of it with the last number changing all the time)
14:33<ircMonkey>Hideo: and I have nothing in /dev/sd*
14:33<Hideo>ircMonkey: I only have one of that line, I'm not sure what's going there
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14:34<Hideo>ircMonkey: can you try with another usb drive?
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14:34<fxiny>looks like a doc dir but is not . i see no debian.changelog.debian but a strange makefile
14:35<fxiny>eddieB: are you sure the real path is /root/rar ?
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14:36<eddieB>i think so. how do i confirm?
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14:36<fxiny>eddieB: ls /root/rar
14:36<ircMonkey>Hideo: just the same. And the light of this usb drive is blinjing though it should be turned on
14:37<hlfshell>quasi-general question - how do you represent binary in a C function, like if i want to request the 31st bit itd be x && BINARYREPRESENTATION of 31st bit
14:37<eddieB>ya it is
14:37<Hideo>ircMonkey: does dmesg say something about sd*
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14:38<ircMonkey>Hideo: no
14:38<fxiny>eddieB: cat /etc/debian_version ?
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14:38<Hideo>fxiny: we come full circle, I asked him that earlier =P
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14:39<fxiny>Hideo: yes ?
14:39<Hideo>hours ago
14:39<fxiny>Hideo: so that box is a can of worms :P
14:39<Hideo>I think it is
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14:40<ircMonkey>Hideo: should I do something to be able to have sd* drives (the computer is a little old)
14:40<qq>ircMonkey: add to fstab ?
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14:40<fxiny>eddieB: can you paste again your sources.list ? i'll load in my own box !
14:40<fxiny>Hideo: i'm f* curious :)
14:41<Hideo>ircMonkey: lsmod | grep -i hcd
14:41<fxiny>lemme boot my spare box
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14:42<fxiny>i'll see what the f* install a rar dir in root
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14:42<Hideo>maybe I missed something
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14:42<fxiny>Hideo: i want to use eddue sources
14:43<Hideo>debootstrap ?
14:43<fxiny>no just load and install rar
14:44<ircMonkey>Hideo: this one the computer it works: usbcore 133004 6 usblp,usb_storage,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd; This one the comuter it doesn't work: usbcore 131436 4 usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd;
14:45<Hideo>ircMonkey: I don't understand, can you rephrase please
14:45<ircMonkey>Hideo: so I should add usb_storage?
14:45<pabs>eddieB: that rar_static file might work, try this: cd /root/rar ; ./rar_static --help
14:45<Hideo>oh, ok, try it then, "modprobe usb-storage"
14:45<ircMonkey>Hideo: I've got two computer, one on which it works, and one on which it doesn't work
14:46<Hideo>ircMonkey: I see, try "modprobe usb-storage" then
14:46<eddieB>i think it worked
14:47<ircMonkey>Hideo: do I have to log-out log-in?
14:47<Hideo>just unplug and replug the usb drive
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14:48<ircMonkey>Hideo: no change
14:48<pabs>eddieB: seems so
14:48<eddieB>wait. so this means it works now? i can actually rar something?
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14:48<Hideo>version 3.8? but only 3.7 is in stable
14:49<Hideo>ircMonkey: is that machine before usb2 was out
14:49<pabs>Hideo: seems he/someone manually downloaded rar
14:50<Hideo>pabs: ah, and compiled it too
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14:50<Hideo>oh wait, it's not opensourced
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14:50<fxiny>eddieB: i've loaded your sources.list : aptitude install rar does not create anything in root
14:50<pabs>Hideo: yep, hideously fugly
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14:51<pabs>Hideo: reading the license makes me want to claw my eyes out
14:51<Hideo>eddieB: how many people use that server?
14:51<eddieB>so is this good or bad news. i'm confused
14:51<ircMonkey>Hideo: maybe
14:51<eddieB>just me
14:51<pabs>eddieB: good news!
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14:51<ircMonkey>Hideo: when was it?
14:51<Hideo>ircMonkey: try "modprobe -r ehci_hcd" and then retry the usb
14:52<pabs>woooo 3am!
14:52<Hideo>^ retry the usb drive
14:52*pabs turns into a pumpkin
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14:52<spezticle>when i do apt-get update and the list of http:// address is shown, if Ign is before the address... what does that mean?
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14:53<eddieB>so i can rar files now?
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14:53<Hideo>eddieB: the good new is rar works as you wanted, the bad new is, we don't know what the heck is going on with that box, whether it was root kit, who else has access to it and borked it
14:53<amphi>spezticle: 'ignoring' I believe
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14:53<ircMonkey>Hideo: it seems it works
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14:53<Hideo>ircMonkey: cool
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14:54<fxiny>Hideo: exactly , sounds like some licence issue
14:54<TuxCrafter>hello everybody, i have a bit of a mystery with the disown command i cant find its location
14:54<TuxCrafter>dpkg -S disown
14:54<dpkg>Badgers ate my disown!
14:54<Hideo>ircMonkey: now do "echo ehci_hcd >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist" , because your box doesn't have usb2
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14:54<amphi>TuxCrafter: it's a builtin shell command
14:55<TuxCrafter>amphi: hmm
14:55<Hideo>ircMonkey: that will make it work again if you reboot
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14:55<TuxCrafter>i cant call it with super user rights
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14:55<amphi>TuxCrafter: man bash or whatever
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14:55<eddieB>brb gonna test it out
14:56<spezticle>that's kind of what i figured, just wanted to make sure. it's and right?
14:56<pelmon>noticed i don't get sound on certain video files. works with vlc, though so i asuume it's a codec issue. where are codecs placed on linux?
14:56<hlfshell>soooooooooo i learned something interesting today - never ever vncviewer to your own computer.
14:56<mes>hlfshell: and why not?
14:56<pelmon>*why not?
14:56<Hideo>hlfshell: the universe implodes!
14:56<hlfshell>because its infinite
14:57<mes>ah, i shall keep that in mind
14:57<hlfshell>you just see the same window forever.
14:57<hlfshell>and im willing to bet
14:57<hlfshell>theres at least three of you doing it right now
14:57<mes>you can, however, ssh to your own machine
14:57<eddieB>okay maybe not. if i wanted to split a file by 100MBs and password protect it. also rename the rar files something other than the original file name. how would i do that?
14:57<mes>use a computer
14:57<Hideo>eddieB: rar --help
14:57<Hideo>or however you call rar
14:57<eddieB>ya i did that
14:57<Hideo>read then
14:58<amphi>eddieB: split(1) can split the files as you wish
14:58<amphi>eddieB: you could encrypt the chunks, if you wanted
14:58<hlfshell>whats with the (#) after some commands? is it version #?
14:58<eddieB>i did. i see the letters but don't know how i would type it in a command
14:58<mes>the man catalog
14:58<mes>which part of the system the command is relavant to
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14:58<Hideo>hlfshell: I dunno
14:59<mes>the man pages are split according to the level of system calls the page makes, i believe
14:59<mes>higher level calls get higher numbers
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15:00<dpkg>[man] a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>,a Municipal Area Network (city), or check ASD @
15:00<valdyn>hlfshell: read "man man"
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15:02<Hideo>$ man woman : No manual entry for woman
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15:02<mes>what would the proposed man page replacement be for the Politcally Corret individuals?
15:02<mes>it pages?
15:02<ircMonkey>Hideo: Thank you very much :)
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15:03<Hideo>ircMonkey: yw, did you add the usb2 module to the black list like I told you to?
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15:05<ircMonkey>Hideo: Done. Thank you for this too.
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15:06<Hideo>I'm out, bye all
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15:07<eddieB>Hindeo: is this right so far? "rar a root/file_directory/file p password"
15:07<john>later hideo
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15:07<eddieB>nvm cya
15:07<eddieB>thanks for all the help
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15:11<TuxCrafter>i have some problem when i restart my network with the init scripts from a subshell i have ifup scripts that mount a sshfs but this is going fine but if i close the shell then my sshfs is killed how can i stop this?
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15:12<TuxCrafter>the strange thing is that when restarting the network and the ifup script from a normal bash terminal shell things are fine and keep working after closing the bash shell
15:13<mes>tuxcrafter: man sshfs?
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15:14<TuxCrafter>mes: i will try -f -s but don't have any idea if it will work
15:15<TuxCrafter>mes: i dont really think it has something to do with sshfs why do you think this is the case
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15:15<mes>since you said the networking was working otherwise
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15:16<TuxCrafter>mes: ah ok indeed networking keeps working after closing the shell that executed the restart network command
15:16*TuxCrafter restaring network
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15:17<TuxCrafter>mes: no luck it still dies after closing the terminal
15:18<TuxCrafter> sudo -u $USER /usr/bin/sshfs -f -s -o allow_root -o sshfs_sync $ "$LOCATION"/root/ &
15:18<TuxCrafter> disown "$!"
15:18<TuxCrafter>this is the command i use in my ifup script
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15:18<mes>does it usually stay alive after the shell is closed?
15:18<TuxCrafter>mes: when i do this from a normal terminal it does indeed
15:19<mes>same options?
15:19<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
15:19<TuxCrafter>mes: yes same options
15:19<eddieB>can anyone help me write a command to rar/split/password protect rar's?
15:19<TuxCrafter>KammyDoe: comeon it where two lines :-S
15:19<mes>hmmm... i don't know. sorry i can't help more.
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15:20<eddieB>here's the instructions but i don't know how to do it..
15:20<KammyDoe>You said something before and after it
15:20<KammyDoe>So that makes it 4. :-P
15:20<mes>cheap way of counting
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15:20<TuxCrafter>mes: it really gives me the creeps i normally can find solutions for these things
15:20<TuxCrafter>KammyDoe: :-D
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15:21<TuxCrafter>i will do some command tree investigation
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15:25<woden>hi I need some help figuring out how to fix my synaptic errors please.
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15:25<TuxCrafter>mes: the -f option in sshfs makes it even worse :-p but that was a bit obvious
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15:26<eddieB>can someone help me write a command?
15:26<KammyDoe>Go ahead
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15:26<maxb>woden, eddieB : the more specific your question, the more likely you are to attract help.
15:26<eddieB>i need to rar/split/password protect rar's
15:27<Debian_Noobie>test chat
15:27<eddieB>the instructions are here
15:27<eddieB>but i don't know how to write the command
15:27<woden>maxb: Ok I am putting up the error output on pastebin
15:27<KammyDoe>rar k file.rar <files to go in archive>
15:27<KammyDoe>Should ask you for a password
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15:28<KammyDoe>If it's anything like tar...
15:28<fxiny>TuxCrafter: i'm not following , busy doing things : run that script in a screen session , detache it , close the shell
15:28<joshua_>hey guys whats a good AOL instant messenger that can be run froma console?
15:29<TuxCrafter>mes: what will happen if you start a shell create a subshell then start a background application in the subshell and close the first original shell
15:29<mes>icq-console i think was what i used
15:29<eddieB>i don't think so kammy. k locks archive
15:29<mes>tuxcrafter: fxiny had a solution
15:29<jetroid>joshua_, it's included with damn small linux, but i've forgotten the sec...
15:30<Debian_Noobie>I have a question for wireless
15:30<amphi>Debian_Noobie: just ask
15:30<jetroid>joshua_, naim is it's name
15:30<Debian_Noobie>I cant get my second wirless internal card to work
15:30<joshua_>thank you very much
15:30<joshua_>i'm looking to move my world over to a completely console based life for a while
15:30<Debian_Noobie>its a bcm43xx
15:31<joshua_>because i need ot get really comfortable with the command line
15:31<woden>When I click Reload on Synaptic, I get this error: How do I fix it? Thanks.
15:31<TuxCrafter>fxiny: screen refuses it says "Must be connected to a terminal"
15:31<woden>maxb: ^
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15:31<KammyDoe>Debian_Noobie; You're using a mac or something?
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15:31<jetroid>joshua_, i'll hand this over to hlfshell
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15:31<hlfshell>joshua_, -
15:31*KammyDoe will brb
15:31<Debian_Noobie>its a dell latitude 110L
15:31<hlfshell>i was actually over on jetroid answering that one
15:31<fxiny>joshua_: check out bitlbee
15:31<hlfshell>if youre interested in console only life, theres an interesting gui out there
15:32<hlfshell>all console, ten "desktops" but you can open X programs still, runs it full screen with a small console line instead of a taskbar
15:33<hlfshell>im trying to remember its name
15:33<eddieB>can anyone help me write the command to rar/split/password protect a file? the instructions are here i just don't know how to write the command.
15:33<joshua_>hlfshell: interesting, yeah i just hate not being as command line oriented as i know i should be
15:33<Debian_Noobie>The driver is reconized, and shows in network connections, but I do not think the device is functioning correctly.
15:34<maxb>woden: Hmm. That's not very helpful, unfortunately, maybe you could try "apt-get update" on the command line, and see if it gives you any more information on what went wrong
15:34<woden>maxb: Did you see both errors? and
15:34<maxb>yes, and neither of them are very helpful
15:35<woden>ok i will run apt-get update and paste the output
15:35<maxb>they basically amount to "something broke downloading the files", I think
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15:35<hlfshell>god this is annoying me joshua_ - I ran this GUI YEARS ago and i cant for the life of me remember the name
15:35<hlfshell>i ran it when i was on a kick of "simplicity'. Even Fluxbox, one of the simplest guis out there, was too much on screen at once
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15:35<torn8>@woden: try apt-get install -f
15:36<fxiny>joshua_: long jump : fluxbox , wmii or any tiling window managers and 9 mrxvt tabs . run irssi , xmms2 , rtorrent in ascreen session . life is sweet :)
15:36<eddieB>can anyone help me write a command? here are the instructions . i need to rar/split/password protect a file. i just don't know how to write the command.
15:36<fxiny>TuxCrafter: screen refuses to detach ?
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15:37<TuxCrafter>fxiny: nope screen will not start from a subshell or something like that
15:37<woden>maxb;torn8: here is my apt-get update output:
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15:37<joshua_>fxiny: thanks yeah i actually like the look of fluxbox so i was thinking of just rocking that for a while, and trying to force my self into only using command line
15:38<tp123>hi all!
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15:39<fxiny>joshua_: i prefere tiling winodws managers like lenny xmonad , i'm still on etch so i use wmii and flux
15:39<TuxCrafter>fxiny: the situation is something like this bash -x /usr/bin/screen -S test /bin/sleep 12
15:39<TuxCrafter>and that will of course not work
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15:39<hlfshell>coudln't find it joshua_ .
15:40<tp123>why i write make menuconfig show me what "-bash : make: command not found"
15:40<hlfshell>joshua_, : and i loved fluxbox for al ong time too. I use gnome now for simplicity, but fluxbox is hella cool once you rock the settings ot your liking
15:40<joshua_>hlfshell: its cool thank you for looking if you can remember and you bump into i'd appreciate the information
15:40<eddieB>can anyone help me write a command? here are the instructions . i need to rar/split/password protect a file. i just don't know how to write the command.
15:40<hlfshell>np. ill prob remember at like 2 am this morning
15:40<hlfshell>or rather, tomorrow morning
15:40<fxiny>TuxCrafter: nahh : open a term ,run screen . run your script and detach screen >> C-a d, close your term
15:41<joshua_>hah yeah i know how that goes you'll be making dinner and go OH this
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15:43<TuxCrafter>fxiny: yes that would work but its not really a option because i got an action script that executes a script with bash /path/scriptname I can changes this to screen -S sessionname bash /path/scriptname but this would be a system width change which is not really a good solution?
15:43<TuxCrafter>testing it though
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15:45<woden>anyone know how to fix this apt-get update error?
15:46<torn8>@wodden: this should be the solution for your problem:
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15:47<woden>torn8: I did apt-get clean and apt-get check and I still get the error.
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15:48<torn8>@wodden: apt-get clean; apt-get check; Replace the corrupt entries; apt-get update
15:48<woden>torn8: how do you "replace the corrupt entries" ?
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15:49<tp123>why when i write make menuconfig show me what "-bash : make: command not found"
15:49<mes>tp123: is make installed on your computer?
15:49<pelmon>tp123: aptitude install make
15:50<tp123>no ssh
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15:51<pelmon>when i try to play a media file sometimes, i see Kaffeine/mpalyer/whatever start to launch, then the box in the window status bar disappears and the application does not open. does that make sense?
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15:53<tp123>no in ssh on server
15:54<ggdG> After udating openssh openssl libssl etc for the random seed
15:54<ggdG> problem ssh-vulnkey still keeps telling me all keys I generate
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15:54<ggdG>are compromised. Any suggestions?
15:54<mes>have you tried regenerating keys?
15:54<ggdG>mes: yes
15:55<ggdG>sorry for the ugly paste btw :(
15:55<mes>that's all i know, i haven't had any problems and thought i'd give any suggestion i could
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15:55<eddieB>can anyone help me write a command? here are the instructions . i need to rar/split/password protect a file. i just don't know how to write the command.
15:55<ggdG>mes: ok thanks anyway of course
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15:58<sohmestra>why is it that debian is still using the gnome print ui from 2.18?
15:58<sohmestra>in lenny
15:59<sohmestra>when all the other components are gnome 2.22?
16:00<torn8>@eddieB: Why do you have to split the file?
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16:01<eddieB>because the file is too big
16:01<eddieB>can ya help me
16:01<torn8>one second
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16:05<torn8>@eddieB: Here is the solution how to make a splitted rar file: -> the only option which you have to add to the command is to protect the file with a password.
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16:06<tadde>excuse me friends, but what the hell is Linucs? XD
16:06<EmleyMoor>tadde: Do you mean Linux?
16:06<tadde>yes , I do
16:07<torn8>@eddieB: rar a -p password -v5M -R myarchive /folder/
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16:07<amphi>tadde: a moment's effort might have led you to
16:08<tadde>thanks, I was joking however
16:08<fxiny>you lucky i'm busy :P
16:08*EmleyMoor wonders if a razor would be useful <g>
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16:09<eddieB>torn8: thanks dude. really appreciate it.
16:09<amphi>not a reincarnation of George Carlin, evidently
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16:11<alraune>what a chat client u use an why ?
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16:11<fxiny>irssi cause i'm beautiful :P
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16:12<amphi>!tell alraune -about polls
16:12<mes>irssi because fxiny recommended it
16:12<EmleyMoor>irssi because.
16:12<the_fafa>what is SS:ESP? is it a module?
16:12<amphi>the_fafa: no; it's the stack pointer
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16:14<the_fafa>is EIP then module related? i just read that somewhere but i dont see the module in that line.. :(
16:14<fxiny>oh they cange it from "for beautiful people" to "the client of the future" ? wrong wrong wrong .
16:14<mes>that they did.
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16:15<tp123>now when i write meke menuconfig show me
16:15<tp123>make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1
16:15<tp123>make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2
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16:15<tp123>and i install libncurses5-dev
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16:17<mes>tp123: do you have all of the necessary packages to build?
16:17<fxiny>amphi: we converted mes to irssi just yesterday ;)
16:17<fxiny>mes: yes ?
16:18<avu>fxiny, good job :)
16:18<mes>fxiny: yeah, i was using chatzilla, then saw the error in my ways.
16:18<mes>have gotten pretty comfortable with irssi... especially since i don't need many features
16:19<tp123>õóé åãî çíàåò))
16:19<mes>tp123: try apt-get install build-essential if you want to build stuff
16:20<tp123>1 moment
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16:20<fxiny>avu: the secret master plan is to convince mes debian is better then openbsd ;)
16:20<mes>fxiny: good luck with that one.
16:21<mes>debian is the best gnu/linux system, i'll give it that. but openbsd is still my favorite OS of any
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16:22<fxiny>favourite < best
16:22<tp123>Thank you very
16:22<mes>depends on the application
16:22<mes>for desktop and personal use, -> debian
16:23<mes>server and firewall/router or corporate use -> openbsd
16:23<mes>you're welcom tp123
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16:25<tp123>right, thanks
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16:29<nwc>hey, where is the option for mulit desktop that will allow you to seperate the programs between desktops
16:32<nwc>you know, to individualize the opened progs between the diffrent desktops
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16:32<mes>nwc: are you using gnome?
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16:33<nwc>insetad of haveing every program shown on every desktop.... i'm not useing gnome
16:33<nwc>i'm useing kde
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16:33<amphi>nwc: and compiz, perchance?
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16:34<fxiny>nwc: iirc there is a menu option for it
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16:34<alraune>amphi: what was the problem ? (dialog)
16:35<nwc>menu option?
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16:35<nwc>well yeah but where
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16:37<nwc>i ustop just roght click on the multi desktop section and go to something like configure
16:38<nwc>there it gives me the option to configure the desktop's names and stuff
16:38<fxiny>nwc: can't recall . i'm quite sure i was doing it on woody
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16:40<nwc>i'm positive i was doing it on pclos but now i'm useing freespire
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16:43<nwc>pclos uses mandriva and i'm sure freespire uses deb
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16:44<fxiny>nwc: run menu editor , edit an app entry >> command > kstart --desktop 2 YourApp
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16:45<nwc>do you understand what i'm trying to do??
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16:45<fxiny>yes , you click on YourApp icon and it will go in desktop 2
16:45<fxiny>ok ?
16:45<HaMMiE>hi fxiny
16:45<fxiny>HaMMiE: hi
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16:46<Woet>is it possible to tell a command to automaticly get killed after X seconds?
16:47<Woet>for example, run 'uniq file.txt' for 3 seconds, then kill it
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16:48<nwc>no i fixed it tho .........i had to uncheck "show windows from all desktops"
16:49<nwc>in the taskbar options
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16:49<nwc>so when i switched desktops it would give me a fresh set
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16:50<nwc>b4 it would show everything for all workspaces
16:50<nwc>now do you see??
16:50<amphi>nwc: it's just about comprehensible
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16:51<fxiny>sticky windows ? i hate virtual desktops nonsense , i understand only windows tags
16:52<amphi>fxiny: fundamentalist ;)
16:52<fxiny>amphi: heheheh
16:52<amphi>fxiny: but I agree - why not just have window lists, instead of an unnecessary spacial metaphor
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16:53<fxiny>amphi: since i'm hooked to tiling window managers i consider virtual desktops the biggest stupidity ever
16:53<nwc>but i loke to multitask bigtime and that's the only way you can get the true appeariance of an actual seprate desktop
16:53<fxiny>windows can have many properties : tags are one
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16:54<amphi>fxiny: well, the spatial metaphor is good for people who find abstraction difficult
16:54<nwc>you obvously don't understand what i'm talking about
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16:54<amphi>nwc: I think the boot is on the other foot ;)
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16:56<nwc>you['d know that multiple desktops are only usefull if you can seprate the open windows and tags from one desktop to another or the only thing you just did is click the "show desktop" button
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16:57<nwc>and i already have one of those ......thatway when i move to another desktop it's actually like a brand new desktop
16:57<amphi>nwc: one downside of the spatial (workspaces) metaphor is that a window can only be on one workspace, or omnipresent (sticky)
16:57<fxiny>amphi: could be , the drama is when they forgot desktops are abtractions , they really believe some windows are gone in a strange dimension instead of being just invisible
16:58<amphi>fxiny: yes; compiz makes the illusion flesh, as it were; you can see all the workspaces and the windows thereon, if you zoom out
16:58<nwc>i know there there, you just gotta rember em
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16:59<nwc>or else you'll be useing your swap real fast
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16:59<nwc>or...if it were windows ..........crash your computer
17:00<amphi>fxiny: so compiz is not really using window lists in the same way as say openbox; more like a huge virtual display, that you have a viewport onto
17:01<TuxCrafter>mes: fxiny: thanks for the sparring info :-D problem is still there but i will find a solution someday :-D
17:01<nwc>i don't think compiz is what i'm talking about
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17:01<fxiny>amphi: obviously compiz in this respect is much better then the average desktop env , when zooming as you say
17:01<TuxCrafter>bye bye everybody
17:01<nwc>i don't even think i have that configed
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17:01<mes>tuxcrafter: good luck, sorry couldn't help more
17:01<TuxCrafter>mes: np
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17:02<fxiny>amphi: but still pushes on the idead of a virtual desktop which is nonsense
17:03<amphi>fxiny: I agree, if only for the silly window-in-one-'location' or omnipresent false (or unnecessary) dichotomy
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17:05<qq>hi wite
17:06<nwc>you know you can always have true multiple desktops, see everything past f7 are wouldbee other users and with a somple code line there is no need for unlocking
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17:07<nwc>so... ctrl+f7 f8 f9 soon all could be true desktops
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17:07<nwc>fast switching
17:07<amphi>nwc: you can run multiple X servers...
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17:10<fxiny>amphi: thinking about tags , in the way tiling windows managers do , set things up much better . the user is back on charge , he/she carefully plans and organize his work . there are lready many good layouts examples like in awesome .
17:10<nwc>isn't that what that was
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17:11<amphi>fxiny: aye - there was a guy in #ibmthinkpad recently, raving about his window manager project, which will be interesting, I think
17:12<mes>what would the best way to mount a fat32 partition as read write by everyone in /etc/fstab?
17:13<amphi>fxiny: < mjf> amphi: great, now I have about 17 people who told me they will use it. That's enought to continue with it.
17:13<alraune>mes: /dev/.... mount/direct fat32 user 0 0
17:14<mes>alraune: is the only main difference the "user" option? would that stay as user or the username of someone... just want to get it right
17:14<fxiny>amphi: yes ? i have a small idea . very small : two hor or vert splitted windows , right ? 75% and 25% , the idea is to give the 75% to the focused one
17:15<fxiny>amphi: like when pasting from iceweasel to emacs
17:15<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
17:15<alraune>mes: not the username, but user will stay, wanna dialog (for pasting ?)
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17:15<fxiny>amphi: is that chan on oftc ?
17:15<mes>i think your help and witte's use of dpkg is enough, thanks for the offer :D
17:15<amphi>fxiny: no, freenode
17:16<fxiny>amphi: i'll be there sometimes
17:16<mes>witte: thanks for your graceful mastery of dpkg
17:16<witte>mes: :-)
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17:20<jthomas>I am running Lenny with KDE; when I try to print from KMail the whole of KMail crashes. Any ideas?
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17:20<witte>jthomas: any error messages?
17:20<jthomas>the crash box; I am installing gdb now...
17:20<witte>if not, try to run kmail from command line, and see if there are messages in the terminal
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17:21<fxiny>amphi: so when i copy i'm on the 75% window and when i shift focus to the 25% to paste that grow to 75% , something like that
17:21<witte>jthomas: maybe strace would be better than gdb (i have to admit i have limited experience with gdb)
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17:23<jthomas>i have no idea. from the command line I get this: "KMail got signal 11 (Crashing)"
17:23<jthomas>from KDE Crash Handeler, this "#6 0xb63dc266 in ?? () from /usr/lib/" seems to be the only handy thing
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17:25<witte>jthomas: those look like windows BSOD errors
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17:25<jthomas>eh. they're not.
17:26<witte>jthomas: yeah i know, just that they don't seem very helpful in debugging the problme
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17:26<jthomas>true enough!
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17:27<irihi>I need a good torrent program
17:27<irihi>any one know of some?
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17:27<jthomas>I'm not sure why KDE has a crash handeler, when every package I post its output for a bug report is filled with, "(no debugging symbols found)" -- and I have no idea if it is helpful to know there are 15 or 30 of those, or not -- but there is rarely better info.
17:28<qq>seems there is a bug in KTorrent
17:28<jthomas>irihi: ktorrent has scheduling plugin, ip-address-filter plugin, build in search for torrents, and a lot more
17:28<jthomas>which version/branch? my lenny works fine i think
17:28<witte>irihi: azureus is also a bittorrent client
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17:30<irihi>so every one here has a program they like best
17:30<witte>irihi: i don't use bittorrent, i just mention there is more than one program, linux is all about choise
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17:31<irihi>i use bitorrent to download stuff for my pops
17:31<qq>irihi: apt-cache search torrent
17:31<irihi>and for getting educatiional material for myself
17:31<witte>irihi: and i have heard good things about azureus, but same goes for ktorrent...
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17:32<irihi>il download them both and check them out then
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17:32<mike_>Knetworkmanager not working in my install of Lenny yet
17:32<Monnick>goodevening all
17:33<mike_>Hello Monnick
17:33<Monnick>is this the place to ask something about Debian (im linux/debian newb)
17:33<irihi>Thanks alot for the help
17:33<Monnick>oke, good :)
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17:33<Monnick>well, ive some Ubuntu experience, so I know something about linux, but not much
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17:33<Monnick>I installed Debian 4.0r3
17:34<pelmon>any gamers? looking for a recommended application for mapping my gamepad
17:34<Monnick>but my wireless network card isnt suppored (just like in Ubuntu) so I have to use ndiswrapper
17:34<Monnick>but I dont know how to install it since I need a recent kernel
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17:34<witte>Monnick: you can get a recent kernel for etch in backports
17:34<witte>or in etchnhalf
17:34<dpkg>somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
17:35<dpkg>methinks etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See:
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17:35<christoph>Hi at all. I get since windows tryed to access the ext2 via ext 2 fsd : mount wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdax ... any idea or application that can repair this without loosing data?
17:35<Monnick>oke, im sorry, i dont understand. whats etch and whats etchnhalf ?
17:36<witte>Monnick: etch is debian 4.0 (currently r3) which is the current debian stable
17:36<Monnick>ah oke, i didnt know that
17:37<witte>Monnick: etchnhalf is an update with newer kernel and a few other stuff that is etch + 1/2 or halfway the next stable ;-)
17:37<witte>Monnick: check out the wiki if you want to know more
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17:38<Monnick>ye, im doing that right now :)
17:39<witte>christoph: what does fdisk tell you about the partition
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17:39<christoph>how can i get the info? fdisk /dev/sdxx?
17:39<Monnick>oke, i found this "Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ships with kernel version 2.6.18"
17:39<witte>christoph: sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
17:40<witte>Monnick: yeah, etch is already more than one year old
17:40<christoph>Disk /dev/sda3: 93.0 GB, 93044335104 bytes
17:40<christoph>255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 11311 cylinders
17:40<christoph>Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
17:40<christoph>Disk identifier: 0x5257b084
17:40<christoph>Disk /dev/sda3 doesn't contain a valid partition table
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17:40<Monnick>and in my installation manual i found: "You need a recent kernel, at least 2.6.18"
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17:40<christoph>sorry... no paste ^^
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17:40<Monnick>but when I try 'make distclean' I get this /etc/modules/kernel error
17:40<witte>Monnick: ah, ok, so you don't need a new one
17:41<Monnick>nope, thats right
17:41<witte>Monnick: what are you trying ot install
17:41<witte>is there no debian way to do it
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17:41<Monnick>ndiswrapper (to get my wireless network working)
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17:41<dpkg>it has been said that ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @
17:42<witte>!ndiswrapper one-liner
17:42<dpkg>ndiswrapper one-liner is probably aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules
17:42<christoph>witte, /dev/sda doesn't contain a valid partition table..
17:42<witte>christoph: does not sound very good
17:43<witte>christoph: do you know have the partition table available by accident? (like block sizes etc)?
17:43<Monnick>witte: what does that mean what one-liner said: i dont understand :x
17:43<Monnick>and my english is not that good either :p
17:43<witte>christoph: because i am not sure how to proceed, maybe someone else nows?
17:44<witte>Monnick: log in as root, and copy paste that line starting from "aptitude install..
17:44<Monnick>ok, will try that
17:44<witte>Monnick: after that, ndiswrapper is installed
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17:44<Monnick>ye? wow that would be awesome
17:44<christoph>I share this partition with windows by using ext 2 fsd driver. Last time windows tryed to access, it crashed with a blue screen. Since then, even debian won't mount this partition.
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17:44<Monnick>oke, im going to switch to Debian.....if it works (and if not) i will be back soon ;)
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17:44<amphi>christoph: does it say anything about 'bad superblock'?
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17:45<christoph>mount says: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev..
17:45<christoph>fschk says: no valid partition table
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17:46<amphi>christoph: you could try mounting it with an alternate superblock, perhaps
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17:46<christoph>isn't it possible to repair that? .. how to mount with alternate superblock?
17:47<amphi>you need to find the block number
17:47<amphi>will dumpe2fs work on the partition?
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17:48<christoph>don't know.. i am new to debian. when i have to run a command, please tell me :D
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17:50<amphi>christoph: can you boot linux on the machine, or do you use a livecd?
17:50<christoph>i currently use the machine. the broken partition is only private data
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17:53<olaf>hello, I have pylons-authkit for using it with pylons, but it seems I need a newer version of authkit from svn because of openid 2.0
17:54<olaf>what is the recommended way of installing python modules outside apt
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17:54<olaf>and will it conflict with the one already installed
17:55<RedDragon>hi guys.. whats doing now?
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17:56<amphi>christoph: what happens if you do 'dumpe2fs /dev/whatever | grep -i superblock' as root on that partition?
17:56<amphi>christoph: replacing '/dev/whatever' with the actual partition, of course ;)
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17:56<christoph>k sec :D
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17:57<tp123>then I write mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd- show me -bash: mkinitrd: command not found
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17:58<christoph>amphi, i get: primary superblock in 34768, groupedescriptor? (i only know the right name in german) in 32796-32774
17:59<christoph>next line is backup superblock bar groupe foo bar..
17:59<christoph>10 lines of backup superblock :D
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18:01<christoph>i can paste the whole in a private message if you want
18:01<amphi>christoph: you could try mounting the partition with a backup superblock
18:01<Monnick>witte: im getting an error :(
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18:01<amphi>I would mount it read-only if I were you
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18:02<christoph>hm k, i should red the man page for alle the options :D
18:02<amphi>christoph: it also might be wise to backup the entire partition, before messing with it
18:02<witte>Monnick: I don't know how to tell you this, but "an error" is pretty vague ;-)
18:02<Monnick>witte: see my screenshot:
18:02<amphi>christoph: do you have enough space?
18:02<witte>Monnick: ah, ok, sorry :-)
18:03<christoph>hm yes, but how can i access ist?..
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18:03<christoph>ist = it
18:03<amphi>christoph: what device is it?
18:03<Monnick>and i ve edited sources.list
18:03<Monnick>contrib was already behind the line with the Etch CD, but I addded 'non-free'
18:03<Monnick>but that didnt help
18:03<witte>Monnick: btw: we can also continue on #debian-nl if you want...
18:04<Monnick>ow, thats easier ;)
18:04<svend>Is there a reason that the same UTC file is in three places under /usr/share/zoneinfo?
18:04<amphi>christoph: you could try 'cp /dev/sda3 sda3.img' somewhere where you have space
18:04<Monnick>your dutch?
18:04<witte>Monnick: flemish
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18:04<Monnick>ah, ok
18:04<Monnick>how you know im dutch?
18:04<christoph>k thanks, i wil save it on my fileserver
18:04<amphi>christoph: you will need space for the entire partition size, not just the data that's on it
18:05<Monnick>witte: thanks for all your help but ill continu in the dutch channel ;)
18:05<witte>Monnick: would seem quite strange that this is a random string used for a printscreen ;-)
18:05<amphi>christoph: at least you will have that if rescue attempts devastate the partition ;)
18:05<christoph>fileserver has enough diskspace... when sda is repaired, i will rm -rf /mnt/windows -.-
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18:10<christoph>amphi, .. copying .. i ask google.... ext2fsd has sure killed more than my partition.. ^^
18:11<christoph>thanks for the help .. :D
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18:11<amphi>christoph: what do you mean>
18:12<christoph>the partition crashed after windows tryed to read/write on it via ext2fsd driver.. so thats why its broken... so i ask google for a fix while i backup
18:12<christoph>i am not the only one with this problem..i hope :D
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18:13<Monnick>!ndiswrapper one-liner
18:13<dpkg>well, ndiswrapper one-liner is aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules
18:13<amphi>christoph: this may be some pleasant light reading while you wait,
18:14<amphi>christoph: et seq.
18:14<christoph>ah thanks a lot!
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18:17<aidy>how do i list the packages i explicitly installed?
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18:18<adii>like "dpkg -i" ?
18:18<adii>dpkg -l sorry
18:18<dpkg>No packages found matching sorry
18:18<christoph>why do you need to know?
18:19<adii>was trying to answer aidy
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18:19<aidy>christoph: why do you need to know?
18:19<weasel>dpkg doesn't have a concept of "explicitly installed" vs. "pulled in by dependencies". as far as dpkg is concerned you installed them all.
18:19<dpkg>weasel: that's too long
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18:19<aidy>i'm trying to install the packages i installed on one computer on another
18:19<weasel>dpkg: shut up
18:19<dpkg>No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P
18:20<weasel>dpkg: I can.
18:20<dpkg>weasel: I give up, what is it?
18:20<maxb>weasel: true, but apt does make that distinction
18:20<weasel>only recently.
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18:20<weasel>aptitude for a bit longer.
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18:21<maxb>I don't know how to conveniently list out the "explicitly installed" stuff. But for transferring package lists, I'd use dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections
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18:22<christoph>ahh.. amphi, i found this:,_bad_option,_bad_superblock%22 .. i try this when backup is complete :D
18:22<maxb>Having copied across the selections, "apt-get dselect-upgrade" should actually do the installs/removals based on them
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18:22<adii>I'm trying to make madwifi works with my atheros card. so far, it shows both "wlan0" and "wifi0" when I go "iwconfig". Unfortunately wlan0 is combined with "no interface" whereas wlan0 has something interesting. to cut it short, i want to disable wlan-ng which i suppose is the responsible for that wlan0 interface. but i dunno how (all that on fresh-installed lenny)
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18:28<witte>adii: how did you install madwifi?
18:28<witte>adii: the debian way?
18:28<dpkg>madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead., #madwifi @ No AR5008 support until 0.9.5.
18:28<dpkg>somebody said madwifi-install was ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
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18:29<adii>yea madwifi-install is totally similar to what i've done
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18:32<witte>adii: but that mentions you should have ath0 and not wlan0 or wifi0 :-)
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18:34<variable>do you know good torrent app?
18:34<qq> apt-cache search torrent
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18:37<adii>damn i must be nut or smth... noone has ever had my problem on google.
18:38<witte>adii: are you using etch?
18:38<witte>ah, no, lenny
18:38<adii>nop, i just installed lenny (once again)
18:38<witte>yeah, forgot
18:39<adii>actually ath0 is the result of a VAP done from wifi0 . I kinda imagine that as "wifi0" being a sort of model used by madwifi to craft custom wifi interfaces (called ath0, ath1 ..etc)
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18:39<adii>that's simplistic i guess ;)
18:40<antinul>does anyone know if i buy an apc UPS for my server if there is shutdown software for debian that wi9ll work with it?
18:40<dpkg>well, ups is (Uninterruptible Power Supply) This is a device that contains a battery and some circuitry to supply your computer with power for a limited time (depending on the battery) if there is any sort of interruption in the outlet power. or at THE WORLDS MOST HORRIBLE SHIPPING COMPANY, or apparently teh nu kewl speling of oops. mgeups software for debian is at
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18:41<abrotman>antinul: apt-cache search ups .. there are a few .. apcd is another IRC
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18:42<antinul>This broken linux due to power outage is really making me mad
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18:44<adii>by the way, what creates that interface wlan0 ?
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18:44<witte>adii: i think that the kernel module determines that
18:45<adii>yea ;) which one
18:45<variable>what to do when I have user rights but to lunch app i need root rights how to do it in gui mode
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18:46<witte>variable: sudo or sux
18:46<variable>what kind of comman i should run that after it i can run eny app in gui mode with root rights
18:47<variable>well yes but it works on concole, i need in gui mode
18:47<witte>variable: well, sudo or sux
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18:47<qq>variable: in xterm too ...
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18:47<witte>sux is su + x
18:48<variable>hmm i don't understand
18:48<adii>hey witte got any idea on how to hinder a module from being loaded ?
18:48<variable>i don't whant to run app from terminal
18:49<witte>adii: you can rmmod or blacklist
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18:49<adii>variable : you always run from terminal somehow.. just use a shortcut to a command then
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18:49<witte>variable: there is also gksu
18:49<witte>variable: what program do you want to start?
18:49<adii>isn't there something with setuid to get it run with root priviledges ?
18:50<variable>i need to unzip ff3 to /opt file but i don't have permission
18:50<FoxM>Hi. I have a Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 wireless card that a long time ago was working with NDISwrapper, but now, although I can see the card, and also the wireless networks in the area, I cannot connect to any of them. I did a test with the wpa_supplicant and this was the result... Any ideas what can happen or where can I start looking for info?
18:51<witte>adii: probably, but often that is not needed nor wanted
18:51<adii>ye ok
18:51<adii>let's reboot and try smth on that darn wifi ;)
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18:52<witte>variable: what do you need the gui for?
18:52<witte>variable: unzip it to a place you can unzip it
18:52<variable>because it much easy
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18:52<witte>and do sudo cp -r unzipped-directory /opt/
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18:53<witte>variable: system administration is not meant to be easy but safe
18:53<variable>i know ;]
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18:54<witte>variable: and i guess there must be iceweasel 3 debian packages available for etch at this moment?
18:54<witte>variable: maybe not official, but still
18:55<variable>i perfere ff ;]
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18:55<witte>it is the same only icons are different
18:55<FoxM>Hi. I have a Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 wireless card that a long time ago was working with NDISwrapper, but now, although I can see the card, and also the wireless networks in the area, I cannot connect to any of them. I did a test with the wpa_supplicant and this was the result... Any ideas what can happen or where can I start looking for info?
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18:56<dpkg>bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets ( included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images.
18:56<variable>it looks like but there is some hich
18:56<witte>variable: it is really the same
18:57<dpkg>iceweasel is probably the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat ( To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
18:57<witte>!why iceweasel
18:57<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information.
18:58<variable>"However some web sites like CNN recently started to deny Iceweasel from accessing the videos."
18:58<witte>FoxM: btw, that bcm43xx thing from dpkg told that there are non ndiswrapper solutions for that card
18:58<amphi>variable: what a relief ;)
18:58<FoxM>witte: Thanks, so should I think in dropping the NDISwrapper and use the bcm43xx integrated in the kernel? I use a 2.6.24-1-amd64 kernel
18:59<dpkg>rumour has it, b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (, included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported. For a list of supported devices, see Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver. See also <which b43>.
18:59<jerry_lau>variable, use command " su-to-root -X gksu -c file-roller"
18:59<witte>variable: that is because they check which browser you have by the identification it gives. this makes the cnn site administrators idots
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19:00<witte>variable: it is easy to circumvent this, but you better use an independent news channel :P
19:01<variable>i gave it just for example :) I have not been in that site for XXXXXX years ;]
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19:01<variable>what browser you are using?
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19:04<lespeztic>took me long enough
19:04<lespeztic>but i got it
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19:07<FoxM>witte: mmm seems like the b43 does not support the bcm4328 card T_T so I am still stuck into ndiswrapper
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19:08<lespeztic>using apt-get this error comes up: E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
19:08<lespeztic>editing /etc/apt/apt.conf to something like this: APT::Cache-Limit 10000000; is supposed to fix it... but it didn't for me... any insight as to why?
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19:10<jkoenig>lespeztic: did you try to increase that number ?
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19:11<variable>i'm using aptitude it is better than apt-get ;]
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19:11<lespeztic>jkoenig well i was confused because originally apt.conf wasn't even there
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19:12<lespeztic>i set it to 999999999 in the path that the faq said to, it made no difference
19:12<abrotman>lespeztic: if it doesn't work .. make it bigger
19:12<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
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19:15<lespeztic>aptitude essentially does the same thing as apt-get, and would be a workaround for this problem?
19:16<lespeztic>haha apparently not :-\ i just tried haha i'll make the # bigger
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19:20<lespeztic>there we go :) 900 million worked just fine for a number haha
19:20<lespeztic>thansk guys :)
19:20<abrotman>lespeztic: alternately .. comment out some sources
19:21<lespeztic>thanks for that insight. for now i'm trying to list as many as I can. i'm trying to get familiar with everything. This is the path, /etc/apt/sources.list right?
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19:23<lespeztic>abrotman and if i bring up the gui editor 'software preferences' that effects the same file, or a different one?
19:23<abrotman>why would you list as many as you want?
19:24<lespeztic>well, i'm trying to see the difference in filenames between Etch, Sid, and Sarge.
19:25<lespeztic>I was told that i should use Sid nvidia-kernel-common for my GeForce 9600 and i used Etch, and it seems to be working fine. so now i'm just trying to see what differences, if any are relevant to me
19:25<abrotman>uh you shouldn't
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19:26<lespeztic>i shouldn't use Sid? i havn't actually installed ANY sid anything yet... i was just looking at the lists, getting the package names, google'ing them reading, etc etc
19:27<jerry>how resole this problem , when i use audacious 1.5.1, the error is ""
19:28<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>"
19:28<abrotman>whoops .. wrong one .. but general idea
19:29<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, sidux is <Debian based> (sid) live distro with special focus on clean and easy hard disk install. [from] It's <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux (on <oftc>).
19:29<abrotman>!sid upgrade
19:29<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead.
19:29<abrotman>there we go
19:29<abrotman>qq: not that .. this is #debian ..
19:30<abrotman>the idea is that if he isn't very comfortable with Debian .. he shouldn't be running sid ..
19:31<lespeztic>thanks. yeah, i'm still learning all this. like i said i'm using Etch, i just wasn't sure if i could use one piece of something Sid.
19:31<lespeztic>i'm getting the hang of it pretty well though haha.
19:32<avu>well then this shouldn't be a problem:
19:32<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
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19:41<Jazz>hi all
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19:41<Steven-M>greetings friends romans and countrymen :)
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19:42<Steven-M>hi Jazz
19:42<jerry>how resole this problem , when i use audacious 1.5.1, the error is ""
19:42<Steven-M>can anyone help me with the syntax of the VLC http/.hosts file?
19:42<Jazz>hi Steven.M
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19:43<jerry>how solve this problem , when i use audacious 1.5.1, the error is ""
19:46<abrotman>cross poster!
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19:47<thebeerhunter>hi, is there a debian-installer channel?... trying to add some custom packages to a netinstall cd...
19:47<abrotman>!custom netinst
19:47<dpkg>custom netinst is probably,,,, see <kmuto>
19:48<lespeztic>deb etch/updates main contrib non-free is not valid?
19:48<abrotman>it is
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19:49<lespeztic>abrotman not according to aptitude
19:49<abrotman>it's perfectly fine
19:49<abrotman>what's the error ?
19:50<lespeztic>W: Couldn't stat source package list etch/updates/main Packages
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19:50<abrotman>paste your entire sources.list
19:50<lespeztic>(/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
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19:51<lespeztic># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20080$deb etch main contrib non-free
19:51<lespeztic>deb etch/updates main contrib non-free
19:51<lespeztic>deb-src stable main contrib non-free
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19:51<lespeztic>i removed the rest, so that is all now
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19:54<abrotman> works
19:54<abrotman>lespeztic: you're missing sources
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19:55<abrotman>lespeztic: deb etch main contrib non-free
19:55<abrotman>lespeztic: deb-src etch main contrib non-free
19:55<lespeztic>i got to go.. i'll be back later, you can paste stuff and i'll read the window when i get back :)
19:55<abrotman>lespeztic: deb etch/updates main contrib non-free
19:55<abrotman>i'm done .. that's it
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20:14<variable>i just installed 3d-desktop
20:14<variable>but after lunching it
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20:14<variable>it shows me an error
20:14<variable>glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible!
20:15<Graveworm>Damn! It's late, I'm tired and all I want is just a short description what locale setting (lc_messages, lc_paper etc.) influences which setting. Either I'm to dumb to find it or nobody has ever written any description. So can please sombody help me out? ....
20:15<Graveworm>Erm, hi everyone ;)...
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20:17<eddieB>can anyone help me with getting OpenSSL on Debian?
20:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
20:17<abrotman>variable: what is your video card/driver ?
20:17<Steven-M>does anyone here use VLC?
20:17<eddieB>i do
20:18<variable>i do
20:18<variable>abrotman, nvidia
20:18<abrotman>Graveworm: your question doesn't quite make sense
20:19<eddieB>i need some help getting openssl installed on debian
20:19<variable>yes, my card is nvidia 7....
20:19<abrotman>eddieB: just install it ..?
20:19<abrotman>variable: are you sure the nvidia driver is working properly ?
20:19<eddieB>today is my first day on Linux. sorry for being such a noob
20:20<variable>i'm not sure
20:20<abrotman>eddieB: aptitude install openssl ?
20:20<Steven-M>eddieB: can you help me with the syntax of the VLC http/.hosts file?
20:20<variable>hot to check it?
20:20<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
20:20<abrotman>variable: i don't use nvidia .. but i'd imagine the driver documentation tells you how
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20:21<Graveworm>abrotman: Hä? What I mean... LC_MESSAGES is for the language setting of the messages the system prints, LC_PAPER is for the format of the paper. So what is the rest for?
20:21<eddieB>thanks abrotman. it seemed to work
20:21<abrotman>Graveworm: such as ?
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20:22<Graveworm>abrotman: I remember that there a some more other settings...
20:24<qq>Graveworm: ^^^^
20:24<Graveworm>So... LC_CTYPE is for?
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20:25<qq>Graveworm: man locale
20:26<Graveworm>As I said....I'm to dumb... Ok, thanks. That's what I want. Thx... I'll better go to bed now.. ;).
20:26<qq>no , have to read now ...
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20:27<Graveworm>... I just have to know, where I can find it ;)...
20:27<Graveworm>Ok. Bye.
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20:30<abrotman>he left .. man locale
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20:48<argonel>i'm finding that Win key releases are being missed if any other modifier key is held, anyone seen this before?
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20:54<newsense>no but if i hit right shift on my keyboard it activates num lock and like 4 numbers get pressed too
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20:54<newsense>anyone know what could cause that ?
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21:06<superlinux>newsense: could it be that your keyboard gone crazy like a crazy mouse?
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21:07<superlinux>newsense: have you tried to unplug then re-plug?
21:07<newsense>yeah same problem
21:08<newsense>tried it on my gfs computer and it worked
21:08<superlinux>so your keyboard is fine?
21:09<superlinux>and ok?
21:09<newsense>yeah its not broken
21:09<newsense>gotta be some setting, i have no idea where to start though
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21:10<superlinux>where are you trying to type? shell or in a office document?
21:10<abrotman>newsense: you got this from 'xev' ?
21:10<superlinux>or a vi?
21:10<newsense>shell anywhere
21:10<abrotman>no .. i mean xev shows the events
21:10<newsense>anytime i use shift
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21:11<superlinux>newsense: run xev as abrotman says
21:12<newsense>thats what i get when i run xev and hit shift
21:12<superlinux>it's good to have a debugger
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21:15<superlinux>what is the official channell of Xwindows, i want to ask things regarding the dual monitor management
21:15<abrotman>superlinux: #xorg on
21:15<superlinux>ok mate . 10x
21:16<abrotman>there's also a #debian-x here .. but i think it's for developers .. not support .. no idea
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21:17<newsense>is there a gnash brower plugin ?
21:17<superlinux>cos i want the window when it's opened to go to one screen maximized on one screen
21:17<superlinux>but keeping the desktop wide over both screen
21:18<amphi>newsense: yes
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21:19<newsense>can anyone recommend a good flash browser plugin ?
21:19<newsense>amphi thanks
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21:19<abrotman>gnash or flash
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21:21<newsense>cool i found it, i had installed thew standalone player before
21:21<superlinux>newsense: i directly install the adobe flash
21:22<newsense>i was going to but id rather have a package personally
21:23<dpkg>dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
21:23<newsense>thanks im gonna add that repo
21:25<superlinux>abrotman: as if it's the secret repo
21:25<abrotman>it's just not part of Debian
21:25<newsense>i wont tell anyone thanks
21:25<superlinux>i know
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21:26<superlinux>and i donno why they removed webmin from the apt list
21:26<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
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21:29<superlinux>amphi: i feel they are good for a router only setup
21:29<superlinux>with squid.
21:29<abrotman>uh no
21:29<superlinux>not for a database server
21:30<NCommander>If you want a web interface for a db server, use php{pg|my|ms}SQL
21:30<superlinux>NCommander: true
21:30<abrotman>it doesn't matter .. squid and/or fooSQL really shouldn't be used
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21:30<NCommander>That being said, what's the problem with webmin's debs
21:30<NCommander>I've never heard that before
21:31<gawz>used cp to copy files . verbose showed files copied et al, but samba directory is empty
21:31<gawz>cp appears to work but no files copied??
21:31<gawz>cp -v -r shows files copying
21:31<gawz>from debian to windows via samba
21:32<NCommander>samba sometimes lags in showing the files
21:32<superlinux>well fix the recv buffer
21:32<abrotman>NCommander: it's nto the debs .. it's the whole app
21:32<superlinux>for samba
21:32<NCommander>abach, ah, I'll give you that. Then again, I've met people who won't let your pry webmin from their cold, dead fingers
21:33<gawz>superlinux: what is that?
21:33<gawz>recv buffer
21:34<gawz>its not lag. files still not there on windows server
21:34<superlinux>there is an option for samba named the recive buffer
21:34<abrotman>NCommander: doesn't make it good .. people also cling to windows
21:34<superlinux>make that bigger
21:34<superlinux>samba will be faster
21:35<NCommander>abrotman, Windows isn't written in perl ;-)
21:35<abrotman>i'm not sure if that's a benefit or not
21:35<gawz>is that via the samba cnf file?
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21:36<gawz>ill look into it thanks
21:36<NCommander>Well, perl is losey compression of programming languages
21:36<superlinux>i cant understand till now with a rigid proof that webmin is bad
21:36<NCommander>The Win32 API is the losey compression of intelligent design
21:36<gawz>but i fear its something else, like cp dosnt work to samba server
21:37<abrotman>lossy ?
21:37<NCommander>Er, wowm I fail
21:37<NCommander>yeah, lossy
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21:37<NCommander>Lack of sleep is lossy compression of understandable English ;-)
21:37<superlinux>abrotman: i got what NCommander meant
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21:39<superlinux>read the latest joke:
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21:39<Quozl>lenny, for past week or two, netrek X client is not receiving keyboard events as soon as they occur. a second event lets things unjam. any ideas?
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21:40<superlinux>goofies had a demonstration in the streets.. they dressed one of them as Bush and then burnt him
21:41<superlinux>NCommander: /\ up /\
21:42<NCommander>up where?
21:43<superlinux>NCommander: /\ up /\ the line above
21:43<NCommander>I just don't get it
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21:44<superlinux>NCommander: do you know when ppl go outside to demonstrations?
21:44<NCommander>during the day
21:45<superlinux>like political ones
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21:45<NCommander>During the day here
21:45<NCommander>I see people protesting in union square all the time
21:45<justin>is there a way to log off users from the system? if they are sshed or telneted in?
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21:45<NCommander>Guest426, kill the telnetd/sshd process they're logged into
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21:46<lespeztic>is there a list of sources for sources.list ? (im using a terminal irc client and i cant scroll up to see the old stuff that was posted a couple hours ago)
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21:46<recklessop>there are three sessions how to i get the pid they are on?
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21:47<recklessop>figured it out
21:47<recklessop>matched time of when they logged in from the who command to ps -aux | grep bash
21:47<recklessop>thanks NCommander
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21:48<Hideo>!tell lespeztic about sources.list
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21:48<lespeztic>ah thanks Hideo
21:48<abrotman>lespeztic: usually pg-up works .. or shift-pgup
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21:49<abrotman>lespeztic: or you could ask me to repeat them
21:49<lespeztic>abrotman ah yes :) i forgot your sn. i figured if i said something, and you were around, you'd speak up :)
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21:50<abrotman>lespeztic: or .. /lastlog lespeztic .. i should be right there
21:50<Hideo>dpkg is more knowledgable than abrotman =P
21:50<dpkg>Hideo: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
21:50<abrotman>Hideo: i already wrote out the sources
21:50<Hideo>abrotman: just kidding =)
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21:56<lespeztic>kk, that should do eh? i'm going to swich irc clients, i'm not likin bitchx so much
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21:57<qq586>hi , i'm trying to mount a tape (5 GB) , mount -t vfat /dev/st0 /mnt/tape
21:57<qq586>mount: /dev/st0 is not a block device
21:57<qq586>how to do that ?
21:58<abrotman>a vfat tape ?
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21:58<qq586>really I don't know ,
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21:59<qq586>yes is a tape , but don't know what the fs type are in
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22:01<jof>Anyone here famiiliar with some socket calls?
22:01<Hideo>qq586: what does "fdisk -l" say?
22:01<jof>Or know a good place to go?
22:02<qq586>Hideo: say only the entry from fstab
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22:03<qq586>the tape is added only now, after installation
22:05<qq586> s/ is/ was
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22:07<jof>qq586: that tape is a sequential access device
22:07<jof>So the device is char special
22:07<qq586>ah ..
22:08<jof>Sure it's vfat?
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22:08<abrotman>qq586: what did you use to backup to the tape ?
22:08<qq586>i presume only
22:09<qq586>never do that before
22:10<jof>If you wanted to be hardcore about it, you could dd in some of the tape and look at the structure
22:11<qq586>good idea , thx jof
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22:12<spezticle_>this is better :)
22:16*NCommander wonders what the resutling dd will look like for reading in an audio tape
22:16<NCommander>I wonder if I could use a physical tape deck for storage on a modern *nix
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22:17<jof>NCommander: guess it depends on how you're accessing it?
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22:18<NCommander>tar czvf /dev/audio_out / ;-)
22:18<NCommander>Really brings new (or old) meaning to the words Tape Drive
22:19<Laeborg>i have some .img files. how to burn it?
22:19<NCommander>cdrecord from the command line would work
22:22<qq586>jof: do you have an example command ?
22:23<NCommander>jof, well, the C64 Datassettes got 200kb per 30 minutes of normal tape
22:23<NCommander>I got to think for the era, that ain't bad
22:24<jof>qq586: maybe try 'dd if=/dev/st0 of=foo.img bs=1M count=15'
22:24<jof>Then maybe try running file on the resultant image and see if you get lucky
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22:26<qq586>file say : foo.img: ASCII C++ program text, with very long lines
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22:27<gawz>does anyone know for sure if cp will copy files to windows via samba share?
22:27<gawz>not working, but want to be sure its impossible
22:27<qq586>140288 bytes (140 kB) copied, 3.39162 s, 41.4 kB/s
22:27<jof>But it only copied 140k? Hmm.
22:28<jof>Open the file up and take a look
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22:31<jof>qq586: Is it really text or something binary?
22:31<jof>Also, do you know what tool wrote to the tape last?
22:32<qq586>not,,, is one of my files ...
22:33<qq586>I know nothing of tool used to wrote to tape
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22:34<jof>Well, you can at least use dd to read in an image of the tape so you can work with it
22:34<jof>And heck, if it really was a vfat device, you could just mount the image loopback
22:35<qq586>i'll give a try
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22:39<qq586>hmm , when i use the "dd" command, it seems to copy in foo.img my previous ouput of the command (hwinfo > hwinfo)
22:40<jof>Do you mean that it overwrites the file?
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22:41<qq586>and this , even on doing dd on 2 different directory
22:42<qq586> in* 2
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22:43<jof>You can specify which file to write to bu just changing what you pass to of=
22:43<jof>I always think of it as short for "out file"
22:45<qq586> dd if=/dev/st0 of=nas.img bs=1M count=15
22:45<qq586>140288 bytes (140 kB) copied, 3.0363 s, 46.2 kB/s
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22:46<gawz>need help how to back up mysql data to my window box. something automated i can use with cron
22:47<gawz>evidently im too dumb to figure it out
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22:47<gawz>samba is up
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22:48<gawz>first time i ever seen a cockroach quit
22:48<gawz>yeah im from da hood g
22:48<qq586>dmesg , after a loop try, get st0: Block limits 0 - 0 bytes,
22:48<qq586>st0: Write not multiple of tape block size
22:48<qq586>FAT: invalid media value (0x62)
22:49<gawz>how do you people back up your data?
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22:51<abrotman>gawz: you can backup to your filesystem .. then use smbclient to mount a drive .. copy over ..
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23:10<jetroid>what is the terminal command to list the run-levels and each one's current settings?
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23:15<dpkg>Hi, jetroid!
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23:16<jetroid>what is the terminal command to list the run-levels and each one's current settings?
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23:18<jof>jetroid: /sbin/runlevel ?
23:18<jof>Which settings?
23:18<enouf>jetroid: ?
23:18<enouf>you can use sysv-rc-conf if you like
23:19<dpkg>sysv-rc-conf is probably "zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz :: Do an 'apt-get install sysv-rc-conf' to use the TUI runlevel curses-based config utility. Also ask me about <rcconf> (a simpler ncurses TUI tool, meant for default runlevel control [2] config), ..ask me about <sysv-rc>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <update-rc.d>, <runlevels>, and <services>, or <reference> for a nice full reference"
23:19<jetroid>the one that lists all the softlinks that each run-level has
23:19<newsense>try man init
23:20<jetroid>i luck
23:20<spezticle>could someone help me make sense of this error message, trying to open / mount a hdd
23:20<spezticle>libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
23:20<spezticle>process 12406: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application.
23:20<spezticle>error: device /dev/sda2 is not removable
23:20<spezticle>error: could not execute pmount
23:20-!-spezticle was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
23:20<enouf>ls -l /etc/rc{[0-6],S}.d/
23:20<enouf>you fool haha
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23:21<spezticle>oops.. heh
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23:22<jetroid>enouf, that's exactly what i wanted! thanks!
23:22<enouf>ls -l /etc/rc{[0-6],S}.d/ > runlevels-symlinks.txt (or remove the -l for shorter version) <- do that jetroid, but the other tools are nice
23:22<enouf>oh ok ;-)
23:23<jetroid>enouf, what are these "other tools" you speak of?
23:24<enouf>well. the one i had dpkg mentioned
23:24<enouf>and others dpkg mentioned - you can see what's enabled in which runlevel easily - in a TUI type interface, and enable/disable
23:25<spezticle>/usr/lib is something of an equivilant of MS 'program files' ?
23:25<enouf>don't even
23:25<enouf>more like /bin , /usr/bin , /sbin .. etc
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23:27<enouf>spezticle: pmount is meant for removab;e storage, do you have an entry for the HDD and parttions listed in /etc/fstab ?
23:28<enouf>spezticle: and mounting it in /media/somewhere ?
23:28<enouf>!tell spezticle -about automount
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23:28<spezticle>enouf nope.. i didn't do it.
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23:34<spezticle>dpkg seems a little indecisive :-P ""dpkg> telling yourself: i guess gnome-volume-manager is ... ""
23:34<dpkg>spezticle: that's too long
23:35<spezticle>how do i get help from the bots for a list of commands?
23:38<jetroid>spezticle, do you mean a different way than "!COMMAND"?
23:41<spezticle>jetroid i think !command will do. i just didn't know about any commands is all
23:41<spezticle>i tried a few /msg debhelper !help, help, etc. wasnt quite sure
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23:44<jetroid>oh, well i'm not very sure myself. :) just trying to throw out a few suggestions
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23:45<jetroid>if you want some commands to do certain tasks, i think the best place to start is here.
23:45<enouf>!tell spezticle -about msg the bot
23:45<enouf>!tell jetroid -about msg the bot
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23:49<spezticle>thanks for being so patient with me everybody... :)
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23:53<jetroid>and thanks for being understanding with my novice attempts at helping
23:55<spezticle>yw :) you helped so all is well
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23:58<spezticle>my system seems to be running rather... slow for having an amd 64 x2 dual core w/ 4gb 1066 (at 800 because of cpu) ram and a GeForce 9600 w/ 512mb ram... is there a way to test my hardware to see if i'm getting max performance or where flaws are?
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