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---Logopened Thu Jul 10 00:00:42 2008
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00:02<spezticle>and it's running at about 35°C
00:03<jetroid>that seems rather cool to me...or is that your point?
00:03<enouf>spezticle: without getting all involved, since what you ask is very subjective, not to mention dependent on which software you chooise to run - see lbs.sourceforge.net
00:03<enouf>35C is fine
00:03<spezticle>jetroid yeah, that is the point... for being a cool system w/ what i have, i'd expect better performance?
00:04<spezticle>thanks enouf :)
00:04<enouf>spezticle: are you using cpufreqd to scale/throttle down when not busy?
00:04<spezticle>nope...
00:05<enouf>there are many kernel params that come into play, too many for me to go into here - but ok
00:05<spezticle>or well.. i don't think so? i'm basically on a stock debian Etch install w/ nvidia drivers installed to get Xserver to run
00:07<enouf>well, i suggest you learn about Debian a bit ;-) do "/msg dpkg grounding" and then later, might want to upgrade the kernel or more .. but .. Etch is stable, so use it and work with it
00:08<enouf>spezticle: and actually, if using i386 arch you might want the -bigmem kernel to see all 4GB of RAM
00:09<spezticle>perfect. i just need a few kicks in the right direction and i can figure this stuff out.
00:09<enouf>!bigmem
00:09<dpkg>-bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit.
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00:13<spezticle>is it architecture specific? i'm only finding for intel cpu
00:13<spezticle>bigmem that is
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00:15<spezticle>well, actually, i'm not really too worried about it. system monitor says i have 3.9GiB
00:16<enouf>well, tell me about your system spezticle
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00:17<enouf>and yes it's i386 specific
00:17<enouf>spezticle: oh .. wait, i knew i knew - you mentioned amd64 X2 CPU
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00:18<enouf>spezticle: did you install amd64 arch? or i386
00:18<enouf>?
00:19<spezticle>i built it myself. i have a gigabyte board, am2+ socket. (770) with the amd 64x2 dual core 6000+ and 4gb(2x2)corsair dual channel 800 ram, and an msi GeForce 9600, a sataII 500 GB hdd a sataII 80GB and a sataII dvd/cd combo
00:19<spezticle>amd64arch
00:19<enouf>ok, that's good to even tell us more great .. ok then the -bigmem is not needed
00:20<enouf>64bit doesn't have that 4GB boundary issue
00:20<spezticle>ah, alright cool. i'm guessing a big part of the prob is related to my nvidia card and the drivers w/ my kernel?
00:21<enouf>well, not really - again, what's teh problem? ;-)
00:21<spezticle>visual performance is lagged. menu's are slow to open/close and switching between tasks is lagged
00:21<enouf>using nvidia's 3D drivers you should get good performance - however with each kernel change you need to redo the drivers
00:22<spezticle>ah
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00:22<enouf>yeah, well, that could even be the Kernel tick
00:22<enouf>the HZ
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00:23<enouf>spezticle: we'll be here all night discussing this, i can't do that - sorry - but look at the kernel /Documentation
00:24<spezticle>enouf hey it's cool. like i said before sometimes i just need a push in the right direction, not necisarily (sp) a walkthrough. you've been quite helpful
00:24<spezticle>i'm pretty intuitive with pc stuff. i'm just steppin into an unfamilar world, so-to-speak :)
00:25<enouf>spezticle: so long as hdparm -Tt /dev/drive shows decent numbers and "glxinfo | grep -i direct" shows Yes, you're ok atleast
00:25<enouf>ok
00:25*enouf goes off to eat
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00:26<spezticle>i have to reboot anyway ill be back again and soon enough i'll be able to help others, too :-D
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00:36<Bladesman>Anyone have the non-us deb and deb-src lines for sources.list? I'd like to install the *real* pgp, and not the crackable govt version.
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00:44<blarson>Bladesman: non-us went away. The real version is in the normal archives.
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00:49<enouf>wait, wouldn't the non-us ones be more easily crackable?
00:50<blarson>enouf: non-us was for crypto that couldn't be exported from the US under laws that have changed since. So it had the full crypto, and the version distributed from the US didn't.
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00:51<enouf>blarson: but suppose one is in the US
00:51<blarson>enouf: you could import non-us, but not export it.
00:52<enouf>why would i want non-us? isn't the fully cipherable versions in the US?
00:53<enouf>let's just say .. i'm in the US, now, why would i want a non-us one? to communicate with my Overseas partners securely?
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00:53<enouf>forgive my fundamental ignorance on this issue
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00:53<blarson>enouf: like I said, the reason for non-us went away when the law changed.
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00:54<spezticle>quick question... when i installed this distro, i was given the option to disable root, which i did. can i re-enable it?
00:54<enouf>blarson: let's presume before the law changed
00:54<blarson>enouf: but under the old law, no international company or organization did their crypto in hte us.
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00:54<blarson>s/hte/the/
00:55<blarson>spezticle: what version of debian? disable for what?
00:55<enouf>spezticle: yes, it should be as easy as 'sudo passwd root' like in ubuntu
00:55<gsimmons>spezticle: Just assign a password to the root user (via passwd), this will also unlock the account.
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00:56<spezticle>well... thats why i'm asking... because... my root doesn't have a PW... or well, the system thinks it does. i never set one and now i cant use root pw when asked. I'm using Etch 8.014 i think?
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00:58<spezticle>lost connection for a sec... during install debian asked if i wanted to disable root (as if to be familiar to ubuntu) i chose yes.
00:58<pelmon>i have a dvd+rw with some files on it. i can view it in windows just fine, but on my debian system it comes up as a blank dvd+rw and i cant see any of the data. btw, it automounts when i insert the disk into the drive. any ideas?
00:59<spezticle>i don't remember setting a pw, and i tried what i would have set it, system says invalid pw.
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00:59<qq586>on debian ?
00:59<spezticle>so, if i did something irreversable because i don't have root pw, i'll just re-install, unless if you know theres a way to work around it. I can figure it out, just.. as usual... point in the right direction?
01:00<gsimmons>spezticle: So define a password for the root user, as enouf previously advised ("sudo passwd root").
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01:01<spezticle>hah! didn't know it was that easy... it's done already. thanks... :)
01:02<spezticle>this might sound absurd, but i really appreciate this. anyway i can return the favor, just say somethin :)
01:03<qq586>spezticle: you are now on debian ?
01:03<spezticle>qq586 yes
01:03<enouf>spezticle: it's cool - we all help each other - you'll get your turn to give back soon enough ;-)
01:03<spezticle>yes indeed :) i can't wait
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01:04<qq586>never saw that >>> during install debian asked if i wanted to disable root
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01:05<forcedeth>hi jm_
01:05<jetroid>i'll probably regret this on account of my own stupidity, but don't you mean "soon enouf"? :)
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01:07<jm_>!br
01:07<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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01:08<blarson>jm_: the spammer left already
01:09<jm_>ahh it was a spam, i didn't even read it
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01:31<willfrand>hi
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01:32<willfrand>hi
01:32<willfrand>somebody can help me with a trivial error of c?
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01:36<jm_>maybe
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01:37<jm_>don't ask to ask, don't ask "yes/no/anyone" questions
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01:41<spezticle>hey jm_ don't know if you were paying attention before... but i got it all to work :)
01:41<jm_>spezticle: good
01:44<willfrand>jm
01:44<willfrand>can you help me with a trivial error in c?
01:44<willfrand>but i'm not a porgrammer
01:44<spezticle>willfrand just ask your trivial error c question :) don't ask to ask
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01:45<willfrand>how exercise, i've a for but my error is core dumped
01:45<willfrand>how solviong this error?
01:46<willfrand>how solve this error?
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01:47<jm_>to start with - compile with -g, then check the stack trace to find out where it core dumps
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01:53<christoph>i cant use e2fsck -b... , becaus /dev/sdax is used by another process oder something. Any idea to solve this problem?
01:54<qq586>unmount /dev/sdax ?
01:55<christoph>it is not mounted. Windows crashed it. Or ext2fsd. No i cant read it and want to user another superblock.
01:55<christoph>use .. -r
01:55<christoph>mount: says bad superblock, bad option ..
01:56<jm_>use alternative superblock
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01:57<christoph>jm_, thats what i want to do. e2fsck -b 32768 /dev/sda3 says:Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program?
01:57<qq586>so unmount /dev/sdax
01:58<christoph>umount: /dev/sda3: not mounted
01:58<jm_>christoph: check what does dumpe2fs say
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02:00<christoph>hm.. dumpe2fs says much things.. any special wishes?
02:00<jm_>read through the stuff before group info
02:01<jm_>what exactly does fsck say?
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02:02<christoph>Group-Descriptors seem to be defect, trying backup blocks... bad magic number in superblock while trying to ioen /dev/sda3
02:02<christoph>superblock unreadable or writes no valied ext2
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02:03<christoph>try e2fsck -b 8193 <dev>
02:03<jm_>try using alternate superblock then
02:03<christoph>Yes. But: When i try to use another one by: e2fsck -b .... i recieve: dev is in use!
02:04<christoph>so i can't user another superblock becaus dev is busy
02:04<jm_>what exactly does it say?
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02:05<christoph>The ressource is busy while trying do open /dev/sda3. Filesystem mounted oder open exclusivly by another programm
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02:06<jm_>are you trying to do this with a rescue CD?
02:06<Laeborg>rm: cannot remove `theeye-theeyecustomdk.img': Input/output error
02:06<takashi>$B$O$8$a$^$7$F(B
02:06<jm_>takashi: please speak english here
02:06<jm_>!jp
02:06<dpkg>well, jp is Japan
02:06<jm_>doh
02:06<christoph>No jm_, i use my debian system.
02:06<takashi>yes$B!!$O$$(B
02:07<jm_>christoph: do it from a rescue CD or d-i CD
02:07<christoph>Ok thanks.
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02:07<takashi>goodby
02:09<takashi>no english
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02:09<meandtheshell1>does anybody know a repository where I can get .debs for http://www.cipherdyne.org/fwknop/
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02:09*meandtheshell1 forgot the "?" ;)
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02:22<spezticle>can i effectivley use packages from [etch-volatile] while running etch... or are they the same thing?
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02:24<jm_>spezticle: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#s-volatile
02:27<spezticle>thanks jm_ :)
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02:30<eddieB>anyone know any good guides on how to install a FTP Server on Debian?
02:31<spezticle>eddieB http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch15_:_Linux_FTP_Server_Setup
02:32<eddieB>spezticle: thanks
02:32<spezticle>np.
02:32<jm_>uhm it's the same as for any other package - install it with apt
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02:35<eddieB>ya, still my first day using Linux. didn't know..
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02:41<spezticle>edditB i'm kind of new myself, but i can help a bit run this: "sudo apt-get install wu-ftpd" without the " "
02:41<jm_>don't use wuftpd
02:41<spezticle>haha i tried
02:42<spezticle>sorry ..
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02:46<spezticle>jm_ what's so bad about wu?
02:46<jm_>!wu-ftpd
02:46<dpkg>[wu-ftpd] the "standard" ftpd for major installations, like wuarchive.wustl.edu (of course), cdrom.com, and metalab.unc.edu. Very configurable and powerful, just be sure you're ready with the security updates in your sources.list. Putting the "WOO" in "WEMOTE WOOT". per wols, in the holy trinity of crappy software. See vsftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd instead.
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02:48<spezticle>yea, i'll keep my mouth shut till i know what i'm talking about then... :)
02:49<eddieB>sorry was away. so i shouldn't use that?
02:50<spezticle>yeah, listen to jm_ .
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02:51<eddieB>jm_: any you recomend ?
02:51<jm_>eddieB: see above
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02:53<eddieB>okay, gonna try pure-ftpd since it says good for noobs
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03:00<rt711>hi!
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03:05<eddieB>can ya help me with what i do next? i downloaded it and did "tar xvfz pure-ftpd-1.0.21.tar.gz" now i'm in the cd logged in as root. that's all i know how to do at this point
03:07<morgan`>hello
03:07<qq_>eddieB: no, use debian
03:07<qq_>pure-ftpd
03:07<eddieB>ya, i'm using debian
03:08<qq_>this is not >>>. pure-ftpd-1.0.21.tar.gx
03:08<eddieB>??
03:09<qq_>apt-get install pure-ftpd
03:09<eddieB>okay. should i do that as root, or it doesn't matter?
03:10<mcsniff>root
03:10<qq_>as all installation
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03:11<hyperi>Any good command line sftp client? I need to automate uploading a file through SFTP.
03:11<eddieB>cool. that was easy
03:12<qq_>i know
03:12<qq_>read >>> apt-cache show pure-ftpd
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03:13<hyperi>qq_: I need client :/
03:13<qq_>i haven't ;)
03:13<eddieB>read that.. not sure how to use it still?
03:14<qq_>hyperi: apt-cache show ftp
03:14<mcsniff>hyperi: try ncftp
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03:16<mcsniff>oh u want sftp, that just uses ur ssh client - sftp
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03:16<jm_>hyperi: lftp
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03:18<spezticle>if i modify fstab, to actuate the settings, am i required to reboot?
03:18<jm_>depends
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03:19<spezticle>adding ntfs and fat32 mount points
03:19<MotoHoss>eddieB: this is good as well /usr/share/doc/debian-reference-common/html/index.html
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03:20<buffoon_work>hyperi, i would use scp with key authentication to automate that process
03:20<hyperi>hmm
03:20<hyperi>So many options suddenly :/
03:20<eddieB>motohoss: no such file or directory
03:21<hyperi>buffoon_work: How should I do that in action then?
03:22<buffoon_work>i guess it is an ssh server running for sftp. You can search about key authentication so you don't have to pass a password, the private key is enough for authentication
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03:23<buffoon_work>when that is done, you just need to do "scp <some_files> <server>:<destination on server>" to move those files to the server.
03:24<buffoon_work>you need access to the other server to give him the public key btw
03:24<MotoHoss>eddieB: it's in the debian-reference-en pkg
03:24<eddieB>motohoss: i'm not sure how to find that
03:24<MotoHoss>there's lots of docs to read in debian to flatten the learning curve.
03:25<eddieB>do you know how to open pure-ftpd? i installed it. but don't know how to open
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03:26<MotoHoss>eddieB: are you running an ftp server or do you want a client?
03:26<rt711>eddieB, first try read the man page..
03:26<eddieB>server
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03:29<buffoon_work>hyperi, i gotta go now, but i'm sure somebody will help you if you have problems...
03:30<MotoHoss>man pure-ftpd is one way mentioned already.
03:31<eddieB>??
03:32<eddieB>that's what i'm trying to use. i installed it already
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03:35<MotoHoss>eddieB: are you familiar with the "man" command?
03:36<eddieB>nope. today is my first day using Linux
03:37<jm_>eddieB: what exactly is your problem?
03:37<eddieB>i don't know how to run pure-ftpd
03:38<rt711>http://linux.justinhartman.com/PureFTPd_Installation_and_Setup
03:38<rt711>;)
03:39<jm_>it's probably already running
03:39<jm_>ps auxw|grep pure-ftpd
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03:40<eddieB>jm_: login as: root
03:40<eddieB>root@85.17.139.131's password:
03:40<eddieB>Last login: Thu Jul 10 00:57:04 2008 from cpe-65-185-84-79.neo.res.rr.com
03:40<eddieB>Linux localhost 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Fri Jun 6 22:22:11 UTC 2008 i686
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03:41<eddieB>didn't mean to paste that
03:41<eddieB>sorry
03:43<MotoHoss>eddieB: you ever 'ran an ftp server before?
03:43<eddieB>no
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03:47<MotoHoss>eddieB: I dun know where the best place in debian to start for everyone is... but if you are not familiar with the basics of Linux it's going to be frustrating.
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03:48<eddieB>ya i can tell. but so far the link rt711 gave me is pretty easy to follow
03:48<MotoHoss>yes.
03:49<jm_>do not install software from source or no-one here will help you
03:49<MotoHoss>when you get a chance at the command prompt type "man man" without quotes.
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03:52<eddieB>do you mean i should not have downloaded pure ftp?
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03:53<MotoHoss>eddieB: exactly. the gz file anyway.
03:54<eddieB>oh i see
03:54<jm_>that document is OK because it's for debian
03:55<MotoHoss>eddieB: Debian has it's methods of doing much of the mundane and sometimes hard work for you.
03:55<eddieB>when i try to do the final command to start pure ftp. i get this. "unable to start standalone server: Address already in use"
03:56<jm_>it's alreadu running like I said
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03:57<eddieB>i tried connecting. it's not working
03:57<jm_>!doesn't work
03:57<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
03:59<eddieB>nvm. i got it goind. i was trying to connect with TLS/SSL
03:59<eddieB>going*
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04:01<eddieB>other than the server there is just one more thing i need help with. if i have 40+ files in /root/folder/ can i move them all at the same time to /home/username/folder?
04:01<eddieB>they all have the same name in them
04:01<jm_>you have my permission + it's not a folder, but a directory
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04:02<eddieB>heh. i mean is there a simple way to do it. or do i have to move each manually?
04:02<jm_>how would you do it in windows?
04:02<eddieB>drag and drop
04:02<jm_>ROFFLE
04:03<eddieB>ruffles?
04:03<jm_>so you're not familiar with move command?
04:03<eddieB>i think it's mv right?
04:03<jm_>yes, but it's globbing part that matters
04:03<eddieB>ya. i'm not fimiliar with it
04:03<jm_>you can use file managers in linux too if you want
04:04<eddieB>how?
04:04<eddieB>i have vnc installed
04:04<jm_>start it?
04:05<eddieB>start vnc?
04:05<jm_>no, file manager :P
04:05<eddieB>how do i do that?
04:05<jm_>it's just an application, like many others - don't you have a menu?
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04:05<MotoHoss>you have gnome installed or kde?
04:05<eddieB>i don't think so
04:06<eddieB>not sure
04:06<jm_>uhm what is vnc showing then?
04:06<eddieB>a blank screen
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04:06<jm_>run update-alternatives --list x-session-manager ; update-alternatives --list x-window-manager
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04:07<jm_>how do you get anything done with it if it's just a blank screen?
04:07<eddieB>i don't get anything done..
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04:07<MotoHoss>you on a MAC?
04:07<eddieB>should i type that command in xterm?
04:07<jm_>yes
04:07<eddieB>Mac
04:08<jm_>so how did you start xterm then?
04:08<eddieB>right click > shell > xterm
04:08<jm_>for fucks sake, that's a menu
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04:08<eddieB>i thought you meant like a start menu lol. sorry
04:09<jm_>check if you have Applications -> File management in it
04:09<eddieB>no i dont
04:09<jm_>what did those commands return?
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04:10<MotoHoss>sounds like plain ol X no gnome or KDE... maybe XFCE?
04:11<eddieB>command not found
04:11<jm_>run it as root
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04:12<eddieB>unknown argument
04:12<eddieB>'l
04:13<jm_>you didn't paste it like I gave it to you
04:13<eddieB>i can't paste in xterm
04:13<jm_>why not?
04:13<eddieB>Hideo told me i could not
04:14<jm_>ehh?
04:14<eddieB>i think that was his name
04:14<eddieB>or Hindeo
04:14<eddieB>i forget
04:14<jm_>middle button pastes in xterm
04:14<jm_>or shift-insert
04:15<Hideo>eh?
04:15<eddieB>insert?
04:15<Hideo>!paste
04:15<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
04:17<jm_>he told you not to paste *here*, not in xterm
04:17<Hideo>fyi jm_ eddieB was in here earlier, he had an borked remote debian system, and he was completely lost, having trouble even communicating with us
04:17<jm_>Hideo: so nothing has changed since then :P
04:17<eddieB>lol
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04:18<Hideo>whomever set up his system probably borked it, there was some errors with missing sym links, libc6, and he some how had a rar directory in root that nobody knew where it came from
04:18<Hideo>he's using debian etch btw
04:19<rt711>ty Hideo
04:19<eddieB>i still don't understand how to paste in XTerm..
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04:19<jm_>then type it
04:19<eddieB>Mac's don't have an insert button
04:20<eddieB>i did
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04:20<jm_>type it correctly
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04:21<Hideo>I think clicking both mouse buttons at the same time also paste
04:21<eddieB>okay it worked. i left you "run"
04:21<eddieB>Mac's only have one mouse button
04:22<Hideo>oh right ...
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04:22<eddieB>out*
04:22<q>eddieB: install emumouse
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04:23<eddieB>iit says localhost:/home/myfolder
04:24<eddieB>jm_: is that what i should see?
04:24<jm_>eddieB: no
04:24<eddieB>usr/bin/fluxbox
04:24<jm_>yes
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04:25<jm_>do you have menu installed? dpkg -l menu
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04:26<eddieB>ya. i have menu installed
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04:26<jm_>ok then you just don't have any file managers installed if there's nothing in Applications -> File management menu
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04:27<eddieB>i don't have a File Management menu
04:27<Hideo>is mc maybe easier to use for him?
04:27<jm_>so install whichever you want to use and run it
04:27<rt711>right. if its a remote system like Hideo said, it would be better
04:28<eddieB>windowmanagers?
04:28<jm_>no, file manager(s)
04:28<eddieB>nope. i don't see that
04:28<jm_>yeah so install it
04:28<eddieB>how?
04:29<rt711>eddieB, apt-get install mc
04:29<jm_>we told you how to install packages about 30 minutes ago
04:29<eddieB>done. but i still don't have file managers
04:29<Hideo>I told him hours ago when we installed rar from non-free too
04:30<jm_>maybe try running update-menus and restart fluxbox
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04:31<matthew-gray>identify
04:31<eddieB>clicked restart. still nothing
04:31<matthew-gray>gah, I don't use IRC enough
04:31<q>eddieB: what is your Mac name ?
04:31<jm_>ok then just run it in terminal - mc
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04:32<eddieB>my Mac name?
04:32<q>machine
04:32<matthew-gray>hi all, any idea why totem-xine handles ffmpeg cleanly but totem-gstreamer doesn't?
04:32<eddieB>MacBook
04:32<q>wich one ?
04:32<eddieB>Black
04:32<q>all are black ..
04:33<eddieB>no
04:33<eddieB>Black is the most expensive. others are white
04:33<q>wich model ?
04:33<disposable>how do i 'ls' a directory with 250000 files? i need to do "ls -1 *wav | wc -l" but all i get is bash: /bin/ls: Argument list too long
04:33<eddieB>not sure. you want my specs?
04:33<disposable>redirecting output to a file doesn't work either
04:33<weasel>disposable: find -name '*.wav' | wc -l
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04:34<weasel>disposable: the problem is that *wav expands to too many files for a command line, so the shell can never execute the ls.
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04:34<disposable>weasel: thank you
04:34<eddieB>Processor: 2 GHz Intel Core Duo | Memory 2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
04:34<weasel>ls -1 | grep wav | wc -l would have also worked
04:35<jm_>disposable: you can use find + xargs
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04:35<jm_>ahh no point in using xargs if all you want is to count them
04:35<q>eddieB: ok, a intel
04:35<disposable>weasel: i'm puzzled by why the ls -1 through pipe worked
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04:36<eddieB>ya. i don't like the PPC's
04:36<Hideo>q: he's sshing to a remote server from his mac laptop
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04:36<jm_>because ls -1 only has one argument instead of 25000
04:36<disposable>jm_: aaah
04:36<disposable>jm_: thanks
04:37<eddieB>if i installed Debian on my Mac. would all of this be easier?
04:37<jm_>it's the same
04:37<Hideo>if you want to play with debian, yes, if you want to host files on a fast server, you have to do it like right now
04:37<matthew-gray>any totem-gstreamer users here?
04:39<eddieB>Hideo: can you tell me how to move 40+ files from a directory in /root to another directory?
04:39<eddieB>they all have the same name in them
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04:40<Hideo>they all have a particular patterns?
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04:40<eddieB>yes
04:40<Hideo>like what?
04:40<eddieB>blah.part01
04:40<eddieB>blah.part02
04:40<Hideo>ok they all start with the same name
04:40<eddieB>yes
04:41<Hideo>mv /root/blah* /path/to/anotherdirectory
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04:42<Hideo>eddieB: you now have mc installed, you should try to use it instead, it's a bit easier than using pure command line
04:42<eddieB>mc. is that in vnc?
04:42<Hideo>it's on your remote server
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04:43<Hideo>you don't need vnc to use it, just ssh into it and use
04:43<eddieB>just type mc?
04:43<Hideo>yes
04:44<Hideo>see the numbers at the bottom, they correspond to the buttons F1 to F12 on your keyboard
04:44<Hideo>press F1 for help
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04:44<Hideo>if you are confused
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04:45<eddieB>thanks. the move worked perfect.
04:46<eddieB>also thanks for all the help today. i appreciate it
04:46<Hideo>np
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05:02<gerzel>I seem to have hosed my default debain menus how do I regenerate them?
05:03<Hideo>try update-menus
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05:11<Lethalman>is it normal that once i've upgraded to lenny i don't see the "debian" gnome menu anymore?
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05:18<Gasbag>Hello. I'm running debian 4.0 and I'm having some problems with the USB. It works perfectly when I use a USB mouse or such, but when I use mass-storage devices they tend to "pop up" and then go away.
05:18<jm_>how does it go away? it has legs?
05:18<Gasbag>I have googled quite a bit and I'm wondering, is this in the right direction? http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x498.html
05:19<Lethalman>reportbug is buggy
05:19<Lethalman>ui.spawn_editor method not found
05:19<Gasbag>jm_, Indeed. No, it appears on the desktop and when typing "lsusb" in the terminal but after a second it disappears.
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05:20<Gasbag>Lethalman, Thanks.. :-/
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05:20<fai-guy>morning
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05:21<qq_>hello fai-guy
05:22<jm_>Gasbag: check dmesg output
05:22<Gasbag>I read about a person that had almost the same problem or maybe the same.. He said that the device went to sleep-mode and when he used a script to touch one of the files on the device once every second or so it worked...
05:23<Gasbag>http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x498.html
05:23<Gasbag>oops
05:23<fai-guy>today i still have problems with BEDSIG
05:23<Gasbag>usb 4-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 56
05:23<fai-guy>BADSIG
05:24<fai-guy>on my own debian-mirror
05:24<Gasbag>jm_, There are like 20 of those "usb 4-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 56"..
05:24<seanius>heh, BEDSIG
05:24<fai-guy>sry BADSIG
05:28<jm_>Gasbag: just that?
05:30<Gasbag>jm_, There is a lot more.. I just thought that it would be the most interesting things... :-P
05:30<Gasbag>Just a sec.. you'll get the rest.
05:31<jm_>Gasbag: that's the least interesting one as it onl indicates it found a new device
05:31<jm_>!paste
05:31<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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05:31<Gasbag>jm_, Sorry..
05:31<Gasbag>jm_, What's that site that you can upload small texts, snippets of code and such?
05:32<Gasbag>jm_, So that I can show you the whole output of dmesg.
05:33<pumpkin0>Gasbag: read the msg from dpkg again
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05:36<Gasbag>pumpkin0, dpkg?
05:36<jm_>Gasbag: see above
05:36<pumpkin0>Gasbag: the bot dpkg worte somthing into this channel. read it again.
05:37<Gasbag>ohh...
05:37<Gasbag>Sorry!
05:39<Gasbag>http://paste.debian.net/10687/
05:40<jm_>ub 4-0:1.0: Cannot enable port 3. Maybe the USB cable is bad?
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05:42<jm_>Gasbag: other than that there's nothing obvious to me, you'd have to ask someone who's familiar with USB
05:42<Gasbag>jm_, I'm sure that the device itself is functioning as I have used it a minute ago on another computer. As mentioned earlier, the USB-port is also functioning since I can plug in a mouse and it works..
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05:42<jm_>Gasbag: mouse is low speed device, not quite comparable
05:43<jm_>Gasbag: and that's probably just a guess/hint, not a 100% error
05:43<Gasbag>jm_, Ok.. It's so wierd as it works sometimes but mostly it won't recognize it at all..
05:43<Hideo>Gasbag: "modprobe -r ehci_hcd" and try the usb drive again
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05:44<Gasbag>Hideo, FATAL: Module echi_hcd not found.
05:45<Hideo>ok then, "modprobe ehci_hcd"
05:45<Gasbag>Hideo, Just "apt-get" it?
05:45<Hideo>I thought it was a usb2 problem
05:45<Hideo>no
05:45<Hideo>just modprobe it back in
05:45<Gasbag>Oh...
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05:46<jm_>Gasbag: that's the problem with USB, is loosely speced, but who would expect different with intel being behind it
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05:48<Gasbag>jm_, You don't like intel then?
05:48<jm_>Gasbag: not always no
05:48<Gasbag>jm_, Oh. What would you say that you prefer?
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05:48<jm_>Gasbag: for what?
05:49<Gasbag>jm_, For a computer with Debian for example.
05:50<Gasbag>Hideo, I cannot find a module called "echi_hcd".
05:50<jm_>Gasbag: ahh no it's OK to buy intel based system for that, I am just saying USB standard is loose and allows for many stupidities and then it's the user who suffers
05:50<jm_>Gasbag: ehci, not echi
05:50<Gasbag>...
05:51<Gasbag>I knew that... Ehh.. :.P
05:51<Gasbag>Cant even get the smileys right..
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05:52<Gasbag>I believe that module is for bluetooth..
05:52<jm_>ehci_hcd? no
05:52<Gasbag>Now it happened again.. The data on the USB-drive showed up just to dissapear again.
05:53<jm_>there's debugging for USB in Linux kernel
05:54<Gasbag>jm_, Oh.. I didn't know that.. I ran fedora before and didn't have any problems what so ever.. But then again.. fedora wasn't all that good at other things..
05:56<jm_>Gasbag: on the same system?
05:56<eddieB>jm_: as you know. i had the ftp server working halfway through that tutorial. but i just wanted to follow the rest of the steps, thinking it would make it more secure. but now i cannot login at all. is there a way for me to delete it and start from scratch again?
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05:58<jm_>eddieB: purge the package
05:59<eddieB>"purge pure-ftp" like that?
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05:59<rootmos>i can not boot after a kernelupgrade actually it is since i did an apt-get upgrade and it made a new initrd. Seems it cant find /dev/md0 (yes i am using raid.) I have an old kernel that works.
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06:00<rootmos>i have tried to make a new initrd but it won't help. Clues anyone?
06:01<jm_>eddieB: no, with apt
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06:01<eddieB>so what should the command look like?
06:02<jm_>how did you install it?
06:02<avtobiff>how do i pad a 4MB file (at the end) with dd so the outfile is 20MB?
06:02<jm_>avtobiff: use seek= option
06:02<eddieB>apt-get install pure-ftpd
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06:03<pumpkin0>avtobiff: or create a second file with the right size and cat file >> target it.
06:03<avtobiff>i have done it with dd but i just farget howto
06:03<jm_>apt-get --purge remove pure-ftpd
06:03<jm_>also pure-ftpd-common
06:03<avtobiff>pumpkin0, that will make the size bigger btw. 20+4MB and my file will append to the first one
06:04<jm_>so create 16MB file, doh
06:04<pumpkin0>avtobiff: create a file with the missing size ?
06:04<eddieB>okay thanks jm_
06:04<avtobiff>yes but i have done it with dd before, and that is what i want to do
06:04<avtobiff>:)
06:05<avtobiff>actually, maybe i haven't when i look in my blag... but it should be possible right?
06:06<jm_>I already told you, use seek option with dd
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06:10<Gasbag>jm_, No it was on a Dell Inspiron. This is an IBM ThinkPad T40.
06:10<eddieB>jm_: it's still not letting me login and still showing the old usernames i made
06:11<jm_>Gasbag: ahh ok, which kernel version are you using?
06:11<jm_>eddieB: I can't help you with pure-ftpd, I never used it
06:11<Gasbag>jm_, Now? 4.0
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06:12<eddieB>jm_: i don't need help with it. i just need help completely removing it
06:13<Gasbag>jm_, Oh well.. It's time for me to go now.. Thanks for your help! :-)
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06:14<jm_>gawz: run uname -r
06:14<jm_>gawz: sorry not for you
06:14<jm_>eddieB: who is showing usernames then?
06:15<eddieB>this command "pure-pw list"
06:15<eddieB>it shows the old usernames from the first install
06:15<eddieB>it was working correctly. but i thought finishing the tutorial would make it more secure. i should have just stopped while i was ahead
06:16<jm_>then you didn't type the command I gave you
06:16<eddieB>??
06:17<eddieB>2.6.18-6-686?
06:18<jm_>12:03:30 <jm_> apt-get --purge remove pure-ftpd
06:18<jm_>12:03:49 <jm_> also pure-ftpd-common
06:18<eddieB>i get. command not foundtpd-common: line 3,8,14,19, and 22
06:19<jm_>blah, apt-get --purge remove pure-ftpd-common
06:19<jm_>apply some logic to things you are doing
06:20<eddieB>i didn't do the second one. i was talking about the first
06:20<eddieB>i was applying logic
06:20<jm_>the first one doesn't even contain "tpd-common"
06:20<eddieB>ya well that's what it gives me. i'm not making it up
06:21<jm_>you need to give me exact error messages, otherwise I can't help you, and remember, no pasting here
06:21<eddieB>how do i copy from putty?
06:22<jm_>i don't know, it works just like unix apps doesn't it?
06:22<eddieB>don't know how to do it there either
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06:23<SuperDale>eddieB: just selecting text in putty is enough to copy it to the clipboard
06:23<jm_>then read its help
06:23<eddieB>tried that too SuperDale. didn't work
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06:25<eddieB>jm_: when i follow the instructions here "http://linux.justinhartman.com/PureFTPd_Installation_and_Setup" using this command "useradd -g ftpgroup -d /dev/null -s /etc ftpuser" it tells me "useradd: user ftpuser exists
06:25<eddieB>it didn't do that the first time because the user didn't exists
06:25<jm_>eddieB: that's because it already exists, move on
06:26<eddieB>so the old settings/users are still here meaning i can't connect
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06:27<jm_>no, the command only removed pureftp related part, this is a system user, and that's not your problem
06:28<jm_>i recommend you to use vsftpd
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06:29<eddieB>is it semi-easy?
06:29<jm_>yes
06:29<eddieB>okay, i'll give it a try
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06:32<eddieB>it says Starting ftpserver. what should i do from here?
06:33<jm_>connect
06:34<eddieB>could not be opened because the ftp server dropped the connection
06:34<eddieB>that's the error i get on my ftp client
06:36<jm_>how did you login?
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06:37<eddieB>i didn't
06:37<eddieB>i tried with my username and pw. not the root
06:38<eddieB>my other one
06:38<eddieB>but it didn't work
06:38<jm_>that won't work without editing the config file
06:38<eddieB>okay. how do i do that
06:38<jm_>with an editor, read /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/README.Debian
06:39<eddieB>permission denied
06:40<jm_>please always mention what gives the error, that's just useless - I am very close to stop helping you, because this is getting to annoying for me
06:41<eddieB>./usr/share/doc/vsftpd/README.Debian gives me permission denied
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06:42<jm_>it's a text file with instructions, what did you expect - I said "read /usr/...." so do that (use an editor or pager or ...)
06:42<eddieB>what do you mean with an editor or pager?
06:43<eddieB>when i try read first it says not a valid identifier
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06:44<jm_>sensible-editor filename
06:44<jm_>or pager filename
06:46<eddieB>i'm sorry. i'm really trying. but i just have no clue what you're talking about
06:47<jm_>run "more /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/README.Debian"
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06:48<eddieB>okay. it worked. i will read it now
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06:50<eddieB>it says there's 26% more but putty is not letting me scroll down
06:51<eddieB>nvm i think i got it
06:53<eddieB>okay. i have read it
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06:54<jm_>you only need to read the very first page
06:54<eddieB>i may have read more but oh well
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06:56<eddieB>what now?
06:56<noflash>eddieB, www.debian.org/doc there's an installation manual and the reference is good too.
06:57<eddieB>it's already installed. i think i just need to configure it
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06:57<jm_>did you do what it says about vsftpd.conf?
06:57<eddieB>ya it has told me some things i need to change
06:57<eddieB>like username and such
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06:58<eddieB>sorry i read wrong
06:58<eddieB>i don't know how to edit the conf
06:58<jm_>edit it
06:59<eddieB>i mean what command gets me to the edit part
06:59<jm_>sensible-editor
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07:00<eddieB>okay, i'm there. i have a blank screen
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07:02<Cytrax>could anyone help me out with a small "probably" simple script please? I am trying to resize about 4000 photo's all in different dated dirs
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07:02<Cytrax>I can go inside each one manually and run this script
07:02<axisr9>in bash, how can i make it echo to me numbers 1 from 10? like..... i=1; while true ; do -- what else? can anyone help?
07:02<eddieB>i tried read file. is that right?
07:02<Cytrax> http://pastebin.com/m54fefd92
07:02<Cytrax>but Its going to take ages.. Is there any way of asking the script to scan recursivly and then resize in the respective folders?
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07:02<seanius>axisr9: seq
07:03<axisr9>seq 1 10
07:03<axisr9>nice
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07:04<jm_>eddieB: sensible-editor /etc/vsftpd.conf
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07:07<eddieB>gotta go for now. will try to set this up later. thanks for all the help jm_
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07:50<ian>hi. Question about iceweasel: When 3.0 will be available in unstable, only after lenny release?
07:51<Hideo>3.0 is in unstable
07:52<ian>Hideo, but it is the rc2 isn't it?
07:52<ian>Hideo, not the final
07:52<jm_>it's the same as 3.0 for unix
07:54<avu>if by unix you don't mean osx
07:54<ian>jm_, ah ok. Second question: I wonder why the eclipse version is so old; nowadays 3.4 is available on eclipse.org and sid just offers 3.2.2 ... Why?
07:56<jm_>ian: I have no idea, maintainers should be aware of it (see http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/eclipse.html)
07:57<ian>jm_, perhaps help is needed; I will ask if I can help packaging
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08:06<morii>hi, anyone know a schroot backport for etch?
08:07<morii>looked for it - but can#t find
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08:08<jm_>do it yourself then
08:10<morii>i tryed, but cause of missing 'boost/filesystem.hpp' in etchs libboost-dev i looked for a alredy done ;)
08:10<morii>+a
08:10<jm_>yeah you need to backport that firsy
08:10<jm_>first*
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08:11<morii>i know - may be later
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08:13<Cytrax>does anyone know howto search for a filetype and include it in a script for processing?
08:13<jm_>Cytrax: don't ask anyone/yes/no questions - be more specific about what you want
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08:13<Cytrax>oki's
08:14<Cytrax>I am trying to resize about 4000 photo's all in different dated dirs
08:14<Cytrax> I can go inside each one manually and run this script
08:14<Cytrax>http://pastebin.com/m54fefd92
08:14<Cytrax> Is there any way of asking the script to scan recursivly and then resize in the respective folders?
08:15<jm_>directories, not folders
08:15<jm_>find -name '*.jpg' -exec convert {} -blabla {} \;
08:15<jm_>or somesuch, test with echo first
08:16<Cytrax>sure thing.. lemme give it a whirl
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08:19<Cytrax>seems to have liked it :)
08:19<Cytrax>thanks mate
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09:31<padski>I'm looking at a document in Ooo that has the font "Penguin Attack". It was created on Lenny, but I am on an etch box just now, and didn't pay attention in font class.
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09:43<filemonkey7>Hey guys, I need help selecting the correct ISO to burn!
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09:43<Cheatah>i always use the netinstall iso
09:44<filemonkey7>Aye, I think I'm going to go for that, I can't find an x86 iso though.
09:44<Cheatah>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso
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09:45<filemonkey7>Oddly enough, that's the one I burned this morning.
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09:45<filemonkey7>The drive ate up the disc, won't even eject it or boot it :(
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09:53<ikeh>oi, the xmms package seems to be broken, so i got the source and compiled, now double size crashes it :S
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10:05<Cytrax>whats the default configuration tool for debian?
10:05<Cytrax>like hardware etc?
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10:08<rakul>hi all
10:09<rakul>anybody got problems using syncrepl(openldap 2.4.9-1) on lenny? :-[
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10:12<noflash>!bts
10:12<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
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10:12<noflash>rakul, ^^^
10:14<rakul>o, well, i'v checked the bug pages, but found nothing usefull, exept similar probles with old slapd 2.3.xx. they are soleved now. now trying to examine logs on master & replic, but it looks like the replice serv. just doing nothing :/
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10:17<thebeerhunter>hey, trying to install from netinstall cd... it actually boots from a partition (actually it is /boot on the target disk)... how would i preserve this? (don't want to see it go bye bye after formatting)
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10:22<christoph>trying to save power I seem to have removed some kernel mods for my usb mouse. Does anyone know what I have to load again to have an working USB mouse (Logitech G5)?
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10:28<avtobiff>Gromitt, usbhid, hid
10:28<avtobiff>Gromitt, sorry. should be to cristoph
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10:31<christoph>avtobiff, hm both of them are loaded
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10:31<christoph>but it won't work
10:31<christoph>lsusb has only the root hub
10:34<ikeh>ohci ?
10:34<ikeh>nvm
10:35<christoph>nvm?
10:35<ikeh>nerver mind
10:36<ikeh>try plugging it in again, maybe its just not detected?
10:36<ikeh>automount might do it
10:37<christoph>well done that not only once
10:37<ikeh>oh
10:37<ikeh>figures
10:37<christoph>I guess I'll have to reboot
10:37<christoph>figures?
10:37<ikeh>that you've tried that
10:37<ifvoid>rebooting solves everything
10:37<ifvoid>!
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10:38<christoph>ifvoid, jep would fix this I know but I have some gimp project open and you can't save selections IMO
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10:38<ikeh>2 sec
10:39<ikeh>usbcore 111284 6 usbhid,hci_usb,usb_storage,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd
10:39<ikeh>all those loaded?
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10:40<insigne_>oi
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10:40<insigne_>opa
10:40<insigne_>alguem aie afim de conversa comigo
10:41<christoph>ikeh, usb_storage not but that should not matter
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10:42<ikeh>christoph, hrm, damn, seems that it should be working then, i have usb mouse too
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10:47<supernova>hi guys is there anyone which can help me?
10:48<gsimmons>!ask
10:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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10:50<supernova>thanks, so i'm on debian testing, and i've installed Kdevelop because i want to develop a python app using Qt3 Gui
10:51<Lurker2>I have an upgrade issue I may need some help with. Trying to do an upgrade, and its barking about libpam-modules, the error is "failed in buffer_read(fd): md5hash: Input/output error"
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10:52<shoemaker>any thoughts? google hasn't given me any routes to try
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10:52<supernova>i've already installed python-qt3 package, 'cause kdevelop at the moment of run my app generated an error (QT module not found) so i've installed the package, but now the next error is "no module named documentdetails"
10:52<knoppix_>nick jack
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10:52<Guest71>identify
10:53<Guest71>NICK jack
10:53<Guest71>IDENTIFY
10:53<Guest71>hello guys
10:53*SlayerXP hands Guest71 a free /
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10:54<supernova>i think i've forgot some packages or maybe broken link to the directory?
10:54<shoemaker>anyone got some time to talk to me about an upgrade issue I am having trying to get the new bind9 in?
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10:54<Guest71>i think so..
10:55<shoemaker>Trying to do an upgrade, and its barking about libpam-modules, the error is "failed in buffer_read(fd): md5hash: Input/output error"
10:55-!-Guest71 is now known as john
10:57<shoemaker>are there any other resources I can use to get help on this issue?
10:59<john>hello
10:59<john>i have a problemm
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11:04<supernova>i've already installed python-qt3 package, 'cause kdevelop at the moment of run my app generated an error (QT module not found) so i've installed the package, but now the next error is "no module named documentdetails"
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11:04<supernova>i think i've forgot some packages or maybe broken link to the directory?
11:04<jotos>hello
11:05<shoemaker>howdie
11:05*jotos away
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11:15<blast_hardcheese>Hey, I'm not completely sure where I should start this quest, I've got a very old tablet PC that I am trying to install Debian on... I can't figure out where to get the touchpad drivers. I've got xorg set up nearly perfectly, all I need now is a cursor
11:15<blast_hardcheese>Any advice would be appreciated :)
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11:17<FoxM>Hi... if I want to 'aptitude update' and 'aptitude safe-upgrade' automatically on a daily basis, is there a program to do that or better do it the unix way (via cron)?
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11:18<Blast_Hardcheese>It doesn't show up in /dev/input/, only the built-in keyboard (a couple Media buttons)
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11:19<gsimmons>FoxM: 'cron-apt' can fulfil that requirement.
11:19<FoxM>Blast_Hardcheese: What tablet PC is it? Have you looked around in linux laptops or someting?
11:20<FoxM>gsimmons: Thanks! I will research on the subject, because I have never heard of cron-apt ... thanks again
11:20<gsimmons>!tell Blast_Hardcheese -about synaptics
11:20<Blast_Hardcheese>FoxM: It's a NEC PW-WT10-01
11:21<Blast_Hardcheese>It originally shipped with this locked down version of Windows 98 on it, it was very fun to install Linux on
11:22<Blast_Hardcheese>Getting the screen properly configured was also an interesting challenge, but now I have it set up so it requires no assistance to get into X, no password entry or anything... Need to get the boot time down, but it functions as a pretty nice tablet now
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11:27<Ascavasaion>Hello all
11:28<Ascavasaion>Is KDE 4 out for debian yet and if so how do I install it?
11:28<christophegger>Ascavasaion, it's in experimental AFAIR
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11:28<christophegger>so you'll need to add experimental sources
11:28<Ascavasaion>christophegger: So not stable yet?
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11:29<christophegger>Ascavasaion, not in stable and AFAIR it won't be in next stable either
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11:31<Ascavasaion>christophegger: I checked in Synaptic, and there is something called kdelibs4... is that not it?
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11:33<christophegger>kdelibs4-dev (4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-4) it is for testing which is clearly KDE 3.5.9 AFAIR
11:33<christophegger>in stable it is 3.5.5
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11:33<Ascavasaion>What is this aFAIR you are talking about?
11:34<christophegger>I am trying to say I can't tell for sure
11:35<Ascavasaion>christophegger: Okay, cool.
11:35<fxiny>iirc afair is similar to afaik :P
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11:36<fxiny>i'll check it asap :P
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11:36<path>guys, anybody know a livecd featuring diagnostic and recovery tools ?
11:36<fxiny>yes
11:36<path>I forgot the distribution :/
11:37<fxiny>sysrescuecd or the debian live
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11:38<path>you made my morning fxiny :D
11:38<path>thanks!
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11:38<fxiny>path: can't remeber the debian based
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11:39<path>thats what I wanted to find indeed but I'll keep googling :]
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11:39<path>there was a debian distro based out there featuring recovery && diagnostic tools
11:40<fxiny>yes
11:40<fxiny>for sysadmin
11:40<path>yup
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11:40<gsimmons>path, fxiny: GRML?
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11:41<fxiny>gsimmons: yes !
11:41<fxiny>path: ^^^^
11:41<path>that one!
11:41<path>:D
11:41<fxiny>yes yes yes
11:42<path>thanks a lot gsimmons :D
11:42<gsimmons>path: np
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11:44<eddieB>what's the command to delete files?
11:44<path>rm
11:44<eddieB>thanks
11:45<path>np :)
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11:49<fxiny>hahaha i've checked my isp dns and yes its' vuln : switching to opendsn
11:50<path>hahah
11:50<path>bind bug? ;)
11:50<Ascavasaion>How do I check to see what should be in the sources.list file? And what servers are closest to me.
11:50<fxiny>yes
11:52<fxiny>kaminsky site dns checker
11:52<path>fxiny did you see the yiacc bug ?
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11:53<path>s/yiacc/yacc
11:54<gsimmons>!tell Ascavasaion -about sources.list
11:54<gsimmons>!tell Ascavasaion -about mirrors
11:54<Ascavasaion>Thanks gsimmons
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11:56<fxiny>path: nope
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11:57<fxiny>path: ahhhhhh googling it :))
11:58<path>fxiny: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20080708155228&mode=flat&count=13 check it out ;)
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11:58<fxiny>path: using openbsd ?
11:58<path>yup
11:59<path>hope to not disrupt :D
11:59<fxiny>path: nahh i made some joke with someone else yesterday
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12:00<fxiny>he's not in
12:00<path>hahah
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12:00<fxiny>path: i've converted him to irssi ;)
12:01<fxiny>one step at the time :)
12:01<path>really? I do like irssi :D
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12:01<path>though I'm in love with BitchX
12:01<fxiny>what ?
12:01<fxiny>can't be
12:02<path>I know its complicated :/
12:02<fxiny>path: a openbsd user ircing with bitchx ?
12:03<path>fxiny is not a matter of principles, definetely :D
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12:03<path>gotta go my battery is running out
12:04<path>see you in next timestamps fxiny
12:04<fxiny>path: see you
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12:20<rt711>approx midnight i'we done security update on my ns /etch, bind9/, but doxpara.com says it is still vulnerable. any idea?
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12:47<LieZ^>hi is there a quick way to update libraries e.t.c i keep getting errors such as (x needs python >2.0 wheres 1.5 is installed)
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12:49<avu>LieZ^, what debian version are you running?
12:49<avu>LieZ^, I'm guessing a fairly ancient one if you still have python 1.5?
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12:52<LieZ^>nah lol that was an example its a lot higher cant remeber off my head, think im running "etch" is there a quick way to update everything?
12:53<avu>LieZ^, etch already is the latest stabe version. only way to upgrade would be to go to testing or unstable
12:53<avu>stable even
12:54<LieZ^>damn im trying to install deluge client but all my packages seem to be outdated :( wonder wtf is going on there
12:54<Ascavasaion>LieZ^: How are youinstalling it?
12:55<avu>LieZ^, once a debian release is released, there are no version upgrades, only bugfixes
12:55<LieZ^>dpkg -i from the deb file
12:55*dpkg removes a speen from liez^ and replaces it with from the deb file
12:55<avu>LieZ^, you can see if this program is available in the backports.org repos
12:55<fxiny> good shot
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12:58<LieZ^>what is apt-get -f install?
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12:58<avu>LieZ^, a reason for you to read the apt-get manpage?
12:59<LieZ^>yep :D but im lazy
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13:06<LLlTyPMOBuK>Hi
13:06<irihi>where do i find the apt-get manpage?
13:06<rt711>irihi, man apt-get
13:07<irihi>thanks
13:07<rt711>nm :)
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13:10<irihi>does any one know of a keystroke launcher?
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13:12<irihi>Meh, il just use terminal
13:12<amphi>irihi: xbindkeys?
13:12<irihi>whats that?
13:13<irihi>hotkeys for aps?
13:13<irihi>applications*
13:13<amphi>apt-cache show xbindkeys
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13:16<LLlTyPMOBuK>i want install debian ---> how cd need ?
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13:17<LLlTyPMOBuK>help me please
13:17<rt711>LLlTyPMOBuK, if you have fast internet connection, you can use: netinstall
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13:17<LLlTyPMOBuK>thanks
13:18<LLlTyPMOBuK>159 mb?
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13:19<LieZ^>would someone look at this please: http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8297/delugecf6.png thats what i mean about needing a quick way to update
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13:25<aaron_>hello all, I'm having a problem getting my G4 powerpc to display on my 17" studio display. I think that it is an Xorg.conf problem but I can't sort it out
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13:26<aaron_>I have a Radeon 7500 card with VGA/ADC and the VGA works fine but not the ADC. It displays up until gdm loads and then goes blank.
13:28<aaron_>using ppc port of Debian
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13:28<aaron_>(Stable)
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13:30<rt711>LieZ^, try oldest rls of deluge
13:31<Nemoder>ah nice, iceweasel3 made it to lenny today
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13:36<LieZ^>hi the oldest rls is banned on many trakers
13:37<pumpkin0>aaron_: does xrandr say anything about that port ?
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13:38<aaron_>pumkin0 - I don't think so
13:38<aaron_>what command can I use to check?
13:39<pumpkin0>aaron_: "xrandr"
13:39<aaron_>that just gives me a list of resolutions. I have both the VGA monitor and the ADC monitor plugged in right now.
13:40<aaron_>only the VGA is displaying
13:40<pumpkin0>what version of xrandr do you have ?
13:40<aaron_>1.1
13:41<LieZ^>oh no my vnc screen just went black, anyone know whats wrong?
13:41<pumpkin0>aaron_: i have a radeon 7500 in a x86 laptop, updating to xrandr 1.2 (lenny) solved most problems.
13:42<aaron_>I think that I might try to install lenny anyway. This is a fresh install so there is no harm really
13:42<aaron_>Might help
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13:42<aaron_>Do you recommend an upgrade or a fresh install
13:42<pumpkin0>aaron_: it now sees and activates VGA and LVDS on the fly and the powersaving (radeon-lenny-driver) works better.
13:43<pumpkin0>aaron_: apt-get upgrade ...
13:43<aaron_>cheers I'll give it a try.
13:43<aaron_>thanks for your help
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13:43<pumpkin0>aaron_: but i don't know if the ppc-port uses the same code and randr-exentions.
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13:44<aaron_>well I'm kind of out of ideas anyway
13:44<aaron_>so it is still worth a try
13:44<aaron_>thanks again
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14:55<Golfgeo>Hi all
14:55<Golfgeo>Got a question: I need a good diagram tool like Visio or Smartdraw but then on Debian, any sugestions?
14:56<dvst>Golfgeo, maybe umbrella
14:56<rt711>try Dia
14:56<dvst>Golfgeo, dia isn't THAT bad
14:57<rt711>:D
14:57<Golfgeo>Looking them up :-) brb
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14:58<Golfgeo>Dia is gnome...
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14:59<MoRLoCh>Golfgeo: if you prefer kde, you might try kivio, but it's probably not 100% what you'd get with Visio
15:00<Golfgeo>kivio sounds a bit like visio... :-)
15:02<Golfgeo>I believe Kivio is what I'm looking for, thanks mates :-)
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15:08<Golfgeo|bbl>Man, openoffice is > 400 mb...
15:08<dirrty>hallo
15:08<Golfgeo|bbl>Hi there dirrty
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15:14<Golfgeo|bbl>What is the diference between the default openoffice install package and all it's languesh versions?
15:14<E0x>the language ?
15:15<mes>probably the inclusion of foreign languages
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15:16<Golfgeo|bbl>ah, ic... So spelling, grammar and interfase stuff, right?
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15:16<mes>most likely
15:17<Golfgeo|bbl>k
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15:19<Golfgeo|bbl>openoffice.org-l10n-*: UI interface translation
15:20<Golfgeo|bbl>So only interface stuff...
15:20<mes>you should be able to download the spelling and grammar checkers either from aspell or OOo
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15:21<Golfgeo|bbl>mes, I was guessing that :-)
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15:21<Golfgeo|bbl>hunspell-dictionary-*/myspell-dictionary-*: Hunspell/Myspell dictionaries
15:21<Golfgeo|bbl>Both quotes from apt-ca...
15:22<Golfgeo|bbl>Got another question: vmware server 2.0 beta, anyone got it running with the vmware-package?
15:22<qq_>!ask
15:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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15:23<MoRLoCh>Golfgeo: I think you should use 1.0.6
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15:25<Golfgeo|bbl>MoRLoCh: I don't know. It's my first go at it, but don't want to build 10 virtual machines that I need to recreate in 6 months because then 2.0 is in...
15:25<MoRLoCh>Golfgeo: you won't need to re create them, just convert them
15:26<Golfgeo|bbl>ah, didn't know that, thanks mate :-)
15:26<MoRLoCh>np
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15:58<variable>The web browser you are using to view this video is not supported. Please use one of the supported browsers:
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15:58<variable>i'm using iceweasel
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16:08<rt711>variable, which page is that?
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16:09<variable>it was cnn
16:09<variable>news video ;]
16:09<rt711>brb
16:09<variable>i wrote a complain ;]
16:09<variable>brb ?
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16:11<rt711>be right back :)
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16:16<rt711>"This CNN.com feature is optimized for Adobe Flash Player version 8 or higher."
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16:21<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know how to boot after the root file system's EXT3 journal was been moved to a new device? (Upgrading the main board changed /dev/hdc1 to /dev/hdb1.)
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16:22<kingsley>s/been//
16:23<valdyn>i thought slave drivers were still slower than master
16:23<valdyn>i thought slave drives were still slower than master
16:24<mes>valdyn, why would they be?
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16:24<valdyn>mes: i dont know how ide works, -> i dont know why
16:24<mes>ah, neither do i. was hoping you might have some insight into that :p
16:26<valdyn>kingsley: why dont you use the 2nd ide interface and jumper your drive to master
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16:30<rt711>there is one way to play videos on cnn, http://mark.santaniello.com/archives/121
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16:33<rt711>and.. read the comments
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16:36<Cyorxamp>Has the kernel changed between r1,r2,r3 etc... ? (etch)
16:36<Cyorxamp>my cdrom doesn't work when installing (no driver found) so I'm thinking maybe r3 might work better than r1
16:36<Cyorxamp>would that be accurate?
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16:38<kingsley>valdyn: Your suggestion in insightful, and if the new main board had second IDE interface, I'd use it in a heart beat. Here's the big but. But, the new main board only has one IDE port, so, unless I'm mistaken, I need a way to accommodate an EXT3 journal on a new device, particularly at boot time.
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16:42<variable>how to upgrade nvidia drivers?
16:44<kingsley>variable: The last time I checked, there were some good tutorials or howtos on the web. Google should find one for you.
16:44<rt711>bye
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16:45<qq_>variable: or, better ask directly to nvidia
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16:47<Bardamu>hello, i need help pleas, i it doesn't want to update --> http://pastebin.ca/1068495
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16:48<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know what to expect from running fsck.ext3 on a file system that has a new journal, but which dumpe2fs says has a state of "not clean"?
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16:50<dr>hi all!
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16:52<kingsley>dr: Hi
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16:53<dr>who knows how where can i get a script for shell bash which could highlight commnad and ect in my shell?
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16:55<qq_>dr: cat /home/$user/.bashrc
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16:57<dr>thanks and how to lunch it permanetly?
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16:57<ranix>lunch it
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16:58<ranix>delicious .bashrc
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16:58<ranix>I must eat it
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16:59<dr>i can't find anything in /home/artem/.bashrc directory...
16:59<qq_>dr: # Comment in the above and uncomment this below for a color prompt
16:59<qq_>is saying in .bashrc
17:00<qq_>directory? is just a file
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17:04<dr>i have in /etc directory bash.bashrc file is that one?
17:05<dr>don't beat me please))!
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17:18<qq_>dr: [22:55:17] <qq_> dr: cat /home/$user/.bashrc
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17:21<sysadmin>hi
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17:23<dr>thanks I was just confuse... why when I get in /home/$user/ directory and type ls command I see nothing but when i type ls -a i see .bashrc!?
17:24<qq_>dr: edit it, e.g > nano /home/$user/.bashrc
17:24<avu>dr, ls doesn't show files which have names starting with . by default
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17:24<dr>i see thanks!
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17:26<ReedWood>Hi. Is there a "we want to include this features" section on debian.org?
17:26<ReedWood>in the next release
17:26<qq_>we ?
17:27<ReedWood>:)
17:27<ReedWood>all the people who are working on debian
17:27<ReedWood>s.o. has to make decisions I think
17:27<qq_>the devs ? DD?
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17:28<ReedWood>to make a concrete example: I am interested if the init system of the next release will be event based.
17:29<qq_>read http://lists.debian.org/devel.html
17:29<ReedWood>thanks
17:29<qq_>and post there
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17:30<ReedWood>ok
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17:32<knoppix_>alguien en español
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17:32<Guest147>uenas tardes
17:32<Guest147>alguien haba español
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17:33<Guest147>hi, please, somebody speak spanish
17:33<kingsley>If dump2efs reports that an EXT3 journal is "clean", does that mean that no journal entries are pending, and need to be applied to the main EXT3 file system?
17:34<kingsley>Guest147: Google debian irc espanol | spanish
17:34<Guest147>by
17:34<Guest147>thank
17:34<MotoHoss>hmm just upgraded galeon and now it says "myportal not a registered protocol" what did I do? how can I correct?
17:34<Guest147>ok thank you
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17:42<mauro>buenas
17:42<mauro>alguien haba español
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17:43<mauro>descnnect
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17:47<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:01<MotoHoss>hmmm.. gonna have to back i out. the changelog says it is no longer supported....
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18:04<sysadmin>what is better... have mailbox or maildir?
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18:07<MotoHoss>grrr. that functionality is a regression in xulrunner and some other stuff. that'll teach me to read the changelogs before I update a package.
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18:09<xplicit>anyone have a few moments to help explain something to me
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18:14<qq_>!tell about ask xplicit
18:14<qq_>!tell xplicit about ask
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18:16<xplicit>i need help with setting up wpa_supplicant with debian etch. I am new but learning quickly =/
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18:22<koruja>How can i fix the following problem in CUPS? When I try to print a test page I received: quota limit reached
18:23<koruja>I've executed the lpadmin command with -o job-k-limit=0 -o job-page-limit=0 options
18:26<variable>how to turn off X
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18:27<xplicit>http://noorul.wordpress.com/2008/06/04/setting-up-wpa_supplicant-on-debian-etch-linux-26253/
18:27<xplicit>that is the set up im trying to use for wpa_supplicant but i still do not connect
18:27<variable>how to turn off X server
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18:44<qq_>xplicit: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/wpasupplicant-problem-on-debian-etch-463629/
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18:45<xplicit>thank you
18:45<qq_>np
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18:47<Wannabe>any1 here
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18:48<Wannabe>does anyone know howot get compiz working with a ati card?
18:50<qq_>xplicit: adapt that to etch >>>http://manual.sidux.com/en/internet-connecting-wpa-en.htm
18:50<amphi_>Wannabe: depends which
18:50<Wannabe>amphi_, i've had compiz on ubuntu working it just not on this debain
18:50<amphi_>!debain
18:50<dpkg>Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh!
18:51<Wannabe>amphi_, my bad
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18:52<Wannabe>amphi_, i've installed compiz, and added it my start up but nothign is happening, i got an ati driver in also
18:53<qq_>Wannabe: etch ?
18:53<Wannabe>qq_, yes
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18:56<qq_>Wannabe: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz?highlight=%28compiz%29
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18:57<qq_>Wannabe: http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-aiglx-compiz.html
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18:58<Wannabe>qq_, ty i'll look at both
18:58<qq_>np
18:59<MotoHoss>this is bad. webpages dn't even display properly now.
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19:10<Wannabe>qq_, Ty for the help it is now working
19:10<qq_>np
19:10<Wannabe>qq_, anyway of change soe of its settings?
19:11<qq_> soe ?
19:11<Wannabe>some"* sorry
19:12<qq_>i dunno, don't use compiz
19:13<Wannabe>do you use any type of effect?
19:13<Wannabe>desktop effect*
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19:15<qq_>no, any desktop effect
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19:17<gegge87>sera
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19:19<koruja>When I try to print, I've noticed the state of job is stopped. How can I fix this?
19:19<qq_>buna seara
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19:22<synz>has anyone read the following regarding attacks on package managers? http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/justin/packagemanagersecurity/attacks-on-package-managers.html
19:22<synz>Debian seems to be affected
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19:24<variable>updating apt list i've got an error: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
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19:25<variable>what can i do?
19:25<synz>did you try google?
19:25<synz>it's your friend :-)
19:28<variable>i know ;/
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19:29<synz>after searching for your error, the first link provides an answer
19:29<Agrajag>anyone here who understands how linking works?
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19:29<Agrajag>Ive rtfm and I still don't really get it
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19:29<synz>linking libraries?
19:29<Agrajag>synz: ya
19:30<synz>not me, not really
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19:30<Agrajag>synz: its so terribly complicated... I still dont really understand why I even have to know the linker exists
19:31<Agrajag>anyone know what effect -l option order really has?
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19:32<kingsley>Is it OK to do "apt-get install <kernel image package> in a chroot environment?
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19:33<unbuntu>can someone hlp me with display server problem
19:34<variable>synz, which link?
19:34<variable>looks like i'm in truble
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19:34<synz>variable, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Dynamic+MMap+ran+out+of+room&btnG=Google+Search
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19:38<synz>Agrajag, have you read http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6463
19:40<variable>synz, thanks
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19:44<variable>i'm tryingto install nvidia drivers but no luck
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19:45<synz>!nvidia
19:45<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
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19:46<fenix>brasil
19:46<fenix>oi amiga
19:46<variable>oh yes i know this site and i'm following those steps but still nothing happening
19:46<qq_>!pt
19:46<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
19:47<qq_>!br
19:47<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:47<synz>variable, you'll need to be more descriptive in the issue you're facing in order for us to help
19:48<fenix>alguem fala potugues
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19:49<variable>after command #m-a auto-install nvidia it shows that Package nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidate
19:49<variable>so where can i get it?
19:50<amphi_>variable: testing?
19:50<variable>what?
19:50-!-smarenka [~smarenka@24.96.149.252] has joined #debian
19:50<amphi_>what branch of debian?
19:51<variable>etch
19:51<amphi_>dunno; I'm on testing here
19:55<synz>!nvidia one-liner
19:55<dpkg>from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
19:55<MotoHoss>ok. wassup wid the latest updates. none of the webbrowsers in lenny are working. any one have any ideas on what I might have done to bork this thing?
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19:57<synz>hmm, they're that bad?
19:57<MotoHoss>the displays won't update. can't take a screenshot becuase the screenshot app doesn't redraw inside the window space.
19:57<synz>I'll install them now!
19:58<MotoHoss>err the browser windows don't redraw themselves. is a better way to say it.
19:58<synz>I've already updated, no issues here
19:58<synz>wait,s ome got held back, installing them now
19:59<MotoHoss>galeon, epiphany, iceweasel all experience the same problems.
20:00<qq_>ie too ?
20:00<qq_>MotoHoss: ^^^^^
20:01<synz>well, my iceweasel is v3 now
20:01<synz>but all is well
20:02<MotoHoss>err I dun have ie.
20:02<chealer>variable: did you add non-free to your sources?
20:02<MotoHoss>whats the pic paste site?
20:02<synz>MotoHoss, so if you go to google, then click on the images link, it doesn't refresh properly?
20:03<MotoHoss>no. it does not.
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20:04<MotoHoss>!paste
20:04<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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20:06<MotoHoss>http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-1.png
20:06<MotoHoss>now that was a trick...
20:06<MotoHoss>barely could see what to do...
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20:10<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: you need the patch to default to XAA instead of EXA
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20:10<variable>damn, i hate this kind of installation ;/ i installed that damn nvidia kernel source but after command m-a auto-install nvidia it shows me a message that there is not that nvidia kernel source ;/
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20:11<synz>variable, did you try google?
20:11<mtnman>hah
20:11<dondelelcaro>variable: did you follow dpkg's nvidia instructions?
20:11<variable>no
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20:12<synz>variable, so that is the exact opposite of what you told me
20:12*synz lets out a long and drawn out sign.
20:12<synz>er, sigh
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20:12<variable>i follow what is in http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
20:13<MotoHoss>dondelelcaro: can you point me?
20:13<variable>i'm lost
20:13<variable>;/
20:13<eddieB>what's the command to go one directory back?
20:13<variable>cm ..
20:13<synz>variable, what have you tried to fix this problem?
20:13<synz>eddieB, cd ..
20:14<variable>ups ;]
20:14<eddieB>just type cd?
20:14<variable>no cd ..
20:14<synz>eddieB, no, cd ..
20:14<eddieB>ahh okay. thanks
20:14<synz>cd /path/to/where/I/wanna/go
20:14<synz>cd ..
20:14<synz>that will bring me back to wanna
20:15<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: are you running unstable or testing?
20:15<MotoHoss>"lenny"
20:15<eddieB>thanks
20:15<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: what architecture?
20:15<MotoHoss>amd64
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20:16<mtnman>yo don
20:16<dondelelcaro>mtnman: sup!
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20:16<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/xserver-xorg-core_1.4.1~git20080517-2.1_amd64.deb
20:16<mtnman>not a whole lot
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20:16<mtnman>how about u?
20:16<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: get that, dpkg -i it, and restart X, and your problem should go away
20:16<dondelelcaro>mtnman: working in the lab; finished my PhD a while ago
20:16<dondelelcaro>mtnman: pretty normal stuff
20:16<MotoHoss>dondelelcaro: xcellent. thanks.
20:16<mtnman>congratuladions, dr. don!
20:17<dondelelcaro>mtnman: thanks!
20:17<synz>dondelelcaro, sounds scary
20:17<mtnman>does this free you up for the desert?
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20:17<dondelelcaro>mtnman: hopefully; sort of depends on what the rest of my friends are doing
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20:17<dondelelcaro>mtnman: but assuming I've got a full car and a bit of a caravan, I'm definetly going
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20:18<mtnman>full car shouldn't be a problem...
20:18<mtnman>well i paid camp dues but once again, don't yet have a ticket heh
20:18<yury>I have googled around, but nothing seems to work. I am trying to spin down a USB enclosure hard drive so that I can unplug it. It is an IDE disk. I have drive using hdparm, but it only errors out. sdparm does nothing. scsi_stop does nothing. eject does nothing. I can echo a command (scsi remove-single-device) in /proc/scsi/scsi and the drive disappears from the list, but the physical hard drive keeps spinning. I want the drive to spin
20:19<yury>* have tried
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20:19<mtnman>yury: would help if you posted your error message(s)
20:19<yury>well, they will prolly not help much
20:19<yury>here
20:19<dondelelcaro>mtnman: ah; yeah, I've got *a* ticket
20:19<mtnman>heheh
20:19<mtnman>i've got the feelers out
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20:20<yury>yury@orbit:~$ sudo hdparm -Y /dev/sdb
20:20<yury>/dev/sdb: issuing sleep command HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(sleep) failed: Input/output error
20:20<yury>that's about it
20:20<yury>everything else fails silently
20:20<yury>rather, it succeeds, but the drive keeps spinning
20:20<mtnman>did you try plugging the error msg into a search engine?
20:21<yury>I think it just doesn't support those IDE command
20:23<yury>I can't even hdparm -I
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20:24<mtnman>well according to the manpage (you did read the manpage, didn't you?) -Y is an ide command. so since your drive is usb, i wouldn't expect that option to work
20:24<yury>ooh, wow, I broke the google toolbar
20:24<yury>mtnman: yes, I read the man page
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20:24<yury>I would expect the mass storage driver to be a little more flexible than that
20:25<mtnman>you can expect what you want, but the manpage is explicit.
20:25<yury>Bad Request
20:25<yury>Your client has issued a malformed or illegal request.
20:25<yury>google toolbar
20:25<yury>heh
20:25-!-MotoHoss [abel@cpe-075-183-020-243.triad.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Researching...]
20:25<yury>mtnman: well, it seems you have nothing helpful to say
20:25<yury>and you have done less research than me
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20:26<mtnman>yury i would like to say that i just opened a browser window to look up something for you. but honestly, would you expect that i would do more research than you would?
20:26<yury>no, I would not
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20:27<yury>but since you do not know, you obviously are not helping here
20:27<yury>I tried hdparm because there was nothing else to try
20:27<mtnman>yury i am trying. i at least pointed out something that i read in the manpage that you overlooked. now i'm doing a search for you even while you complain to me.
20:27<yury>ok, I RTFM'ed and STFU'ed
20:28<yury>I didn't come here to have someone do it for me
20:28<yury>thank you for trying, but if you don't know
20:28<yury>you don't know
20:28<synz>some people like to help, even if they don't have an immediate answer
20:29<yury>yes there is a chance I missed something, but I would rather hear from someone who knows a little more about it
20:29<mtnman>i man not know at this moment, but i just found an interesting link. do you want to continue this line of conversation or move to a more productive stance?
20:29<yury>than from someone who just googled it
20:29<yury>sure
20:29<yury>thank you fro trying
20:29<synz>well
20:29<synz>there's been times I didn't know anything about a problem, yet I was able to do research and help out
20:30<mtnman>yury i do not use usb drives, but answer me this, are you sure it shows up as /dev/sdb?
20:30<yury>yes
20:30<yury>synz: says something about who was asking
20:30<mtnman>then you may want to try something called sdparm that i just read of.
20:30<mtnman>!sdparm
20:30<dondelelcaro>not all scsi devices support hdparm; (in fact, almost none do)
20:30<yury>mtnman: I tried that (see my original post)
20:31<yury>and this is not a SCSI device
20:31<yury>just happens to be treated by the same libraries
20:31<mtnman>yury what was the error msg from sdparm? i don't want to trouble you too much...
20:31<yury>none
20:31<mtnman>any log msgs?
20:31<yury>none
20:32<yury>look, only error is from hdparm, and that was expected
20:32<yury>everything else is silent
20:32<mtnman>ok remind me of the command you passed to hdparm, error msgs?
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20:33<yury>any command
20:33<yury>error is i/o error
20:33<yury>see scrollback if curious
20:33<yury>command was -Y
20:33<MotoHoss>nope.same.deal.
20:33<mtnman>you may need another switch
20:34<synz>yury, have you tried http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/SpinDownUSBHarddisks
20:34<yury>yes
20:34<yury>all of it
20:35<mtnman>well yury you may be out of luck as don said it seems that hdparm works with only a small set of devices.
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20:35<yury>it works with directly connected IDE devices
20:35<MotoHoss>could this issue with the display be related to the xulrunner changes?
20:36<yury>as I said, I was hoping the usb mass storage drive would be ... magical
20:36<mtnman>and i said you can hope all you want. :)
20:37<mtnman>in any case for hdparm to work on a scsi drive you need to pass a switch -SO iirc
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20:38<yury>what?
20:38<yury>-S is spindown time
20:38<yury>nothing to do with SCSI
20:38<mtnman>well im reading a link about a guy who cant keep his external drive from spinning down... exactly opposite to your problem
20:38<mtnman>yury double check the command but you need a scsi option iirc.
20:39<yury>no, you really don't
20:39<yury>I have a SATA disk and it works just fine
20:39<yury>without any additional options
20:39<mtnman>sata is not scsi is it?
20:39<yury>also last time I read the man page, I didn't see anything about that either
20:39<yury>...
20:39<yury>same damn driver
20:39<yury>USB disk isn't scsi either
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20:40<mtnman>yury you said the os thinks it is
20:40<bardamu>Hello i want to reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
20:40<bardamu>but when i type apt-get install --reinstall , it outputs: it's impossible to download the package
20:40<bardamu>Anyone can help me pleas ?
20:40<mtnman>bardamu you need a non-free source in /etc/apt/sources.list
20:41<p_quarles>bardamu, it was removed from the repos -- get the installer from Adobe's site
20:41<bardamu>there is a rpm version
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20:42<bardamu>rpm it can be read by debian ?
20:42<yury>mtnman: no, just uses the same drivers
20:42<yury>go read up on libata
20:42<p_quarles>bardamu, get the .tar.gz -- it contains an installation script that works fine with Debian
20:42<yury>anyway, seems there really is no good way
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20:42<mtnman>well yuri you are not making it any fun at all to help you or even try to communicate with you. so good luck.
20:42<yury>http://ask.metafilter.com/27887/Can-you-spin-down-an-external-hard-drive
20:43<yury>it's not an answer, but it suggests that my enclosure might be at fault since it has not spun down on its own
20:44<bardamu>i want to install flashplayer to kazehakase
20:44<bardamu>it's possible ?
20:45<MotoHoss>dondelelcaro + : thanks for the tip. it didn't work. I will be lurking if something comes to mind. I don't currently have a way to browse so anyhelp is appreciated.
20:45<bardamu>the installer seems installing only for mozilla
20:45<kegwell>I'm looking for a simple web based calendar, task manager, todo list,etc for a home intranet...something I can set the homepage to on the family PCs...any suggestions?
20:45<p_quarles>bardamu, the Adobe installer requires either Firefox/Iceweasel or Opera -- once you have it installed, you can use it with other browsers easily
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20:49<MotoHoss>kegwell: phpgroupware if you are up to it. once it is setup.. it just works. and you can customize the addons.. only use the ones you need.
20:49<dondelelcaro>yury: usbms uses the scsi subsystem; the actual form factor of the drive has nothing to do with the actual instruction set that the enclosure supports
20:50<yury>dondelelcaro: alright, agreed
20:50<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: you completely restarted the X server, right?
20:50<kegwell>MotoHoss: yeah, I've looked at that...groupoffice too...just seems like overkill for a simple calendar, task list, grocery list type web based application. Dont really wnat to bring a gun to a knife fight.
20:51<yury>I am sure this enclosure supports the command, at least it is supposed to work under Windows, but I have not tried
20:51<MotoHoss>dondelelcaro: oh yes. rebooted to be on the 'sure' side.
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20:52<bardamu>thanks everybody byee
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20:53<yury>well, eject finally did something, when I passed in -s. The device has been remove, but is still physically spinning
20:53<yury>I'll wait 5 min
20:53<yury>apparenlty eject tries -r first, and there was no error, so it stopped at that
20:53<MotoHoss>kegwell: I was up against the same issue, now I have about 10 folks using my install for a number of things...
20:54<MotoHoss>some of them behind the firewall some of them not.
20:54<kegwell>I'll take a closer look and try a stripped down install.
20:55<dondelelcaro>MotoHoss: hrm; well, that's the typical issue with rendering in iceweasel being screwed up
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20:58<MotoHoss>dondelelcaro: If my other machine hadn't died and if ... there's a bunch of if's there... I will just have to be patient. :P
20:58<MotoHoss>it just makes things slow. &<)
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20:58<mike>No KnetWorkManager in Lenny ?
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21:00<MotoHoss>I made a mistake by not reading all the changelogs... It's mein own fault.
21:00<mike>MotoHoss, (*-*)
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21:00<MotoHoss>galeon has just been so good to me... I got comfortable.
21:01<MotoHoss>I'll quit beatin myself up now.
21:01<mike>Anyone know what lenny uses as a neworkmanager?
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21:01<dondelelcaro>mike: uh... networkmanager?
21:02<dondelelcaro>(well, network-manager, but...)
21:02<mike>dondelelcaro, Yes was great in Etch but no entry in lennt
21:02<mike>t=y=;(
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21:03<dondelelcaro>mike: it's still in lenny.
21:03<dondelelcaro>mike: packages.debian.org/network-manager is your friend
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21:04<mike>dondelelcaro, cheers ;)
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21:23<mike>network manager installed but does not see any networks,,?
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21:27<kmshanah>I'm desperate for some expert help with grub
21:28<kmshanah>had a motherboard die on an important server and no drop-in replacement
21:28<dondelelcaro>best to ask your question
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21:29<kmshanah>basically, I can get into rescue mode using the d-i disk, but I can't get grub set up right
21:29<amphi_>/join #debian-es ;)
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21:36<eddieB>does anyone know how to setup vsftpd? i'm new to Linux and having some trouble
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21:38<kmshanah>I'm trying to get grub installed on a new boot disk, like this: http://pastebin.com/d2203252, but after rebooting, just garbage is printed to the screen
21:39<kmshanah>I can't work out what I'm doing wrong here
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22:02<eddieB>which is better for an FTP server. inetd or standalone?
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22:04<kmshanah>ok, solved that mystery
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22:11<blarson>eddieB: It depends. That's why it is configurable.
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22:11<eddieB>blarson: i want my ftp server to be able to remote upload. but i am not able to do so
22:11<knoppix_>who
22:11<eddieB>would switching to inetd change that?
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22:13<blarson>eddieB: no, that would be a different configuration option. inetd is better for rare usage, non-inetd for heavy usage.
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22:14<eddieB>ablarson: after editing the conf file. i type "sudo /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart" but i get this "-bash: sudo: command not found" is there another way to restart?
22:14<amphi>/part
22:14<blarson>Guest24: are you looking for /quit ?
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22:15<blarson>eddieB: you can log in as root or su to root then do the rest of the command.
22:16<eddieB>i am root. but for some reason it's not working
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22:16<blarson>eddieB: did you omit the sudo?
22:16<eddieB>blarson how do i do that?
22:17<blarson>eddieB: just do "/etc/init.d/vsftpd restart"
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22:17<blarson>sudo is a way to give non-root users root powers.
22:18<eddieB>okay, that worked. thanks. do you know how i can set it up to allow me to remote upload?
22:19<blarson>I never used vsftpd
22:19<eddieB>do i need to enable TLS/SSL?
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22:21<blarson>recomended if you are going to send passwords over ftp. They arn't encrypted otherwise.
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22:21<blarson>scp or sftp is normaly used for file transfer with passwords nowdays.
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22:22<eddieB>okay. so no idea how i would go about getting remote uploads to work?
22:23<blarson>You may need to switch ftp servers.
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22:23<eddieB>switch to what?
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22:25<blarson>eddieB: apt-cache search ftpd will show a lot of options. I don't have one I would recomend.
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22:27<eddieB>i think the problem is with my current server i have to login via SFTP instead of just FTP. is there a way to change that?
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22:31<eddieB>i can't download files from my ftp with a download manager either..
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22:48<eddieB>anyone know how i can setup vsftpd to allow me to download from a download manager?
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22:59<Guest34>i've watched the movie i'm about to watch before, and when i got to topen any more, the movie player just flashes on for 1 second and then exits. it does it for all the players that i have.
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22:59<Guest34>every video file i open, the player just comes on for 1 second and then exits
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23:01<Guest34>i just want to watch the office while i do my homework
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23:02<Guest34>this is an emergency yaul.. just kidding. little humor
23:03<infinitycircuit>try #debian on freenode it's more active
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23:03<abrotman>Guest34: are you using knoppix?
23:03<Guest34>debian
23:03<Guest34>lenny
23:03<kaizerOvRd>debian
23:03<T_X>hi there! I'm trying to configure my sudoers atm but I'm stuck. I added the line "linus ALL=ALL" and now sudo asks me for the pw of the user 'linus', not root. how can I change that? and secondly, the pw seems to be cached cuz I don't have to type it for further attempts. what do I have to change so that I have to type it every time?
23:04<abrotman>Guest34: you've tried more than one viewer?
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23:04<Guest34>many
23:04<Guest34>5 of them
23:05<abrotman>do you require the libdvdcss to watch them ?
23:05<Guest34>i've watched them before.
23:05<Guest34>let me check if i have tha tpckage tho
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23:05<abrotman>you'd know .. it's not in debian
23:06<Guest34>?
23:06<eddieB>i need some help with vsftpd. i can download from my ftp server via ftp client. but i cannot download via download manager. does anyone know how to correct this?
23:08<odla>T_X: you can set passwd_timeout for the latter problem ... i am not sure about the first
23:08<odla>T_X: i mean timestamp_timeout
23:08<odla>T_X: set it to 0
23:11<odla>T_X: and set rootpw for the first one
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23:13<kaizerOvRd>T_X you can add the user's name at the end of the file /etc/sudoers and all the permissions to the user by typing ALL=(ALL) ALL
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23:15<T_X>perfect, that works, thx odla :)
23:16<T_X>by the way, while reading the manual page I got a bit confused. what is the difference between 'userfoo ALL=(ALL) ALL' and 'userfoo ALL=ALL'?
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23:21<Guest34>what is dhcp discovery mean on startup?
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23:25<Guest34>nevermind, just set to static duh
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23:28<odla>T_X: not suer
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23:32<Guest34>is there a way to turn off your mouse pad on a laptop without haveing to change xorg settings?
23:33<eddieB>i need some help with vsftpd. i can download from my ftp server via ftp client. but i cannot download via download manager. does anyone know how to correct this?
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23:40<Deepy>When using netboot everything works fine until after a while (when installatin should start) the screen just goes black and nothing happens
23:40<Deepy>I tried using install noapic nolapic and install acpi=off
23:40<Deepy>But it still hung
23:42-!-mode/#debian [+l 326] by debhelper
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23:49<Deepy>With boot_debug set to 3 I got thrown into busybox
23:49<Deepy>sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
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23:55<Deepy>nothing in syslog
23:56<Deepy>and with debug_conf=5 it just went on to the black screen like usual
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23:58<enouf>!tell Deepy -about etchnhalf
23:59<enouf>Deepy: look on alt-f4 for messages
23:59<enouf>if you can see anything :-P
23:59<Deepy>okies, sec
23:59<Deepy>I don't think I got a tty though
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