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00:00<enouf>Deepy: old or new hardware?
00:00<Deepy>Quite new, etch netbooted has worked on it before though
00:00<enouf>Architecture is?
00:00<Deepy>i386
00:01<enouf>Deepy: run "check cd integrity" choice
00:02<Deepy>It's netboot
00:02<enouf>oh, you're also on freenode
00:02<Deepy>Yes, and I usually end up crying whenver I ask them for help :p
00:02<enouf>oh, not netinstaller?
00:02<enouf>you need an ISO also, IINM
00:02<Deepy>I was hoping it would be netinstaller over PXE
00:05<eddieB>i need some help with vsftpd/pure-ftp. i can download from my ftp server via ftp client. but i cannot download via download manager. does anyone know how to correct this?
00:06<Deepy>Does your download manager support FTP?
00:10<Deepy>ALT+F4 did nothing
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00:25<T_X>may I ask questions about debian-unofficial here :D?
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00:27<T_X>I added the url to apt's sources.list and imported the key with apt-key but apt/aptitude complain about a missing key
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00:29<Deepy>enouf, still same problems with this http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
00:29<enouf>Deepy: did you follow the installation guide?
00:29<Deepy>There's a installation guide?
00:30<enouf>T_X: that site has a FAQ that tells you what to do
00:30<enouf>oh .. yeah, i remember now
00:30<enouf>!ig
00:30<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing!
00:31<Deepy>Does that one even cover PXE?
00:32<enouf>yes
00:32<T_X>here's the line with the error and the output of 'apt-key list': http://pastebin.com/m6ea8f9b9
00:33<T_X>yep, I did the things in the FAQ section (except aptitude install debian-unofficial-archive-keyring cause it couldn't find it)
00:34<Deepy>Running a install suite=etch fb=false then
00:34<Deepy>Woo, it works now :D
00:34<Deepy>Thanks ^^
00:35<enouf>what happened? :-)
00:35<Deepy>The installer actually booted
00:35<Deepy>:D
00:35<enouf>why?
00:35<Deepy>framebuffer problems?
00:35<enouf>ahh
00:35<enouf>yep
00:36<Deepy>I gotta begin using automated installs
00:37<Deepy>and like force-feed it with my wireless network drivers
00:37<Deepy>I'm going to run into problems tomorrow when I try to run X
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00:37<Deepy>It won't want to work in 1280*800
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00:39<enouf>T_X: what's the exact error again?
00:39<enouf>Deepy: why?
00:39<Deepy>I don't know, but I plan on finding out tomorrow when I got the system running
00:39<enouf>Deepy: why would you have issue runnuing X?
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00:39<Deepy>It'll work fine in 800*600 and 1024*768
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00:40<Deepy>But with 1280*800 it won't even want to start
00:40<enouf>fb=false only affects console
00:40<Deepy>Oh this is just my guess from previous experience of etch
00:40<T_X>enouf: have a look at the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m6ea8f9b9
00:40<enouf>craptop?
00:40<Deepy>In and outside vmware
00:40<Deepy>craptop yes
00:40<enouf>bah
00:41<Deepy>common problem?
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00:43<enouf>Deepy: nah, just asking why the low res
00:44<Deepy>Oh, well 1280*800 works fine for me
00:44<Deepy>and 1024*768 just looks plain weird with widescreen
00:45<enouf>T_X: first try; apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update
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00:46<enouf>T_X: 2nd ; do, gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 24C52AC3 | sudo apt-key add -
00:47<enouf>T_X: and, are you sure you even need the unofficial? whatcha need codecs? "/msg dpkg dmm"
00:47<enouf>T_X: whoops
00:48<enouf>T_X: correction -->> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 24C52AC3 ; gpg --export 24C52AC3 | sudo apt-key add -
00:49<T_X>enouf: I want to play dvds on my laptop
00:50<enouf>T_X: using etch?
00:50<Deepy>Just getting VLC and mounting the DVD didn't do the trick?
00:50<enouf>!dmme
00:50<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
00:50<T_X>nope, sid
00:51<enouf>well, then /msg dpkg dmm as i said
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00:52<enouf>all you need is libdvdcss* and stuffs
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01:03<T_X>yeah, thx enouf, now it works
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01:03<enouf>T_X: bingo
01:03<T_X>and another question, eh, is it difficult to get directfb working on debian? :)
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01:19<kingsley>Is it OK to do "apt-get install <kernel image package> in a chroot, dchroot or schroot environment?
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01:37<xwl>Hi, which package contains git-ssh-push command? i installed git-core, didn't find it there. (latest unstable here)
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01:39<dondelelcaro>!+find git-ssh-push
01:39<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
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01:40<dpkg>Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'git-ssh-push' returned no results.
01:41<xwl>odd.. not available..
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01:49<gef>man git-push|grep ssh
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01:54<jm_>i think it's just a matter of specifying repository appropriately, i.e. ssh://...
01:55<xwl>jm_: i got "fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly" Do i need to configure the server side as well?
01:57<jm_>xwl: there should be no server when using ssh other than sshd, did you try -v ?
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01:57<xwl>jm_: yes, i also thought there should be no server. -v doesn't give any more information..
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01:58<jm_>xwl: can you run sshd in debug mode there?
02:00<xwl>jm_: er, how to do that?
02:00<eddieB_>jm_: i got vsftpd working but i could only connect from sftp. and i cannot download from my download manager. any idea why?
02:00<jm_>xwl: you run sshd with -D and -d switches
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02:01<jm_>eddieB_: sftp doesn't connect to vsftpd
02:02<jm_>xwl: it would probably be best to keep original sshd running and start a new one on different port and then use that for debugging - so you don't lose connectivity if something unexpected happens
02:02<eddieB_>jm_: someone in the other Debian channel had me do some things and he said even tho i delete pure-ftp it was still running with vsftpd. is there anyway besides purge to completely stop/remove it?
02:02<jm_>eddieB_: run netstat -nap|grep ftp
02:03<jm_>as root
02:03<jasonjgw>Just a quick question: is there an AMD64 version of the bind9-9.5.0P1-2 package available? Looking in the pool directory of ftp.debian.org I find the i386 version but not the amd64.
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02:03<eddieB_>ttype "run netstat -nap|grep ftp"?
02:04<jm_>yes
02:04<eddieB_>this is what i get when i type that "-bash: run: command not found"
02:04<jm_>no withou trun :)
02:05<xwl>jm_: ok, i'm trying it..
02:05<jm_>jasonjgw: not yet
02:05<eddieB_>i typed it but i think it just brings me to a directory
02:06<jm_>it doesn't report anything?
02:06<jasonjgw>Thanks. I'm trying to close the recently announced DNS vulnerability on my Sid box.
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02:06<eddieB_>localhost:~#
02:06<jm_>how about "netstat -nap|grep 21"
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02:07<eddieB_>okay. that one worked. want me to pastebin it?
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02:07<jm_>there's a source package for P1-2 so you can build it yourself
02:07<jm_>eddieB_: yes
02:07<jm_>eddieB_: please prefix messages for me with jm_
02:07<mike_>Gnome in Lenny ,,very nice
02:08<jasonjgw>I'll run a build. Thanks.
02:08<eddieB_>jm_ http://pastebin.ca/1068900
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02:09<jm_>eddieB_: right, grep 21 /etc/inetd.conf
02:09<Nemoder>are there any linux tools to extract files from norton ghost (*.GHO/*.GHS) images?
02:09<jm_>eddieB_ and grep ftp /etc/inetd.conf
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02:10<kingsley>Are there no longer any AMD kernel packages in unstable named "SMP"? ("SMP" is an acronym for symmetric multi-processing.)
02:10<mike_>moin devil ;)
02:10<eddieB_>jm_: pastebin?
02:10<jasonjgw>Regarding the kernel packages, they're smp by default.
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02:10<devil>hi mike_
02:10<jm_>eddieB_: how many lines does it show?
02:10<eddieB_>4
02:11<eddieB_>jm_: 4
02:11<jm_>eddieB_: ok you can paste it to me in msg or on pastebin, whichever is easier
02:11<xwl>jm_: i started sshd as: sudo /usr/sbin/sshd -p 12345 -Dd, while, when i try testing 'ssh localhost -p 12345 ', it "Connection to localhost closed." as soon as connected..and the server dies.
02:11<kingsley>jasonjgw: OK, that's convenient. When did the AMD kernels become SMP by default?
02:11<jm_>xwl: but what did sshd say?
02:12<jasonjgw>kingsley, it was some time ago but I can't remember exactly when. I'm running a 2.6.25 kernel here on a 4-way x86_64 box.
02:12<xwl>jm_: http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/8010
02:13<jm_>eddieB_: yeah you still have an entry in inetd for pure-ftpd, what does "dpkg -l '*pure*'" say?
02:13<kingsley>jasonjgw: That's interesting. Have found a satisfactory way to run flash?
02:14<jasonjgw>kingsley, I couldn't care less about running Flash. However, I have Gnash installed just in case someone else using this machine happens to visit a Web site with Flash content.
02:15<kingsley>jasonjgw: Ha ha!
02:15<kingsley>jasonjgw: I think I'd miss youtube's flash videos.
02:15<jm_>xwl: possibly this is casuing it PAM: pam_open_session(): Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session
02:16*kingsley needs to go...
02:16<jm_>eddieB_: you haven't uninstalled pure-ftpd
02:16<jasonjgw>kingsley, Youtube works with free as in freedom Flash players now, so you should be right without any proprietary Flash player.
02:16<eddieB_>jm_ ill try again. "apt-get --purge remove pure-ftpd" right?
02:16<jm_>eddieB_: apt-get --purge remove pure-ftpd pure-ftpd-common
02:17<eddieB_>done
02:17<kingsley>jasonjgw: Yet another interesting missive. What are "freedom Flash players"?
02:17<kingsley>jasonjgw: gnash?
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02:18<eddieB_>jm_: done, sorry
02:18<jasonjgw>kingsley, I'm referring to Gnash and that other one the name of which I've forgotten. They're both under free licences.
02:19<jm_>xwl: actually your log looks fine and it even says Entering interactive session for SSH2. - are you sure it's not your shell exiting?
02:19<kingsley>jasonjgw: OK. Maybe I'll try gnash again. I've gotta go. Thanks for your thoughts.
02:19<jasonjgw>kingsley, It's a pleasure.
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02:21<xwl>jm_: yes, i'm sure it's not. i tried several times. the sshd server is odd..hm.
02:21<jm_>xwl: it doesn't look like it's ssh causing it
02:22<jasonjgw>jm_ You've tried ssh -v, right?
02:24<jm_>jasonjgw: he's running sshd with -Dd, but I suppose it's worth using -v with the client too
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02:24<kevin>try running an alternate shell
02:24<kevin>ssh host "echo I work"
02:25<jm_>xwl: does it work on regular port?
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02:26<xwl>jm_: this is client side with -v: http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/8012
02:26<xwl>jm_: yes.
02:26<xwl>jm_: btw, sshd is running on a Mac OS X .
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02:28<jm_>xwl: well the process that is forked by sshd just exits
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02:31<eddieB_>jm_: i have removed pure-ftp, installed vsftpd, edited the .conf file, and restarted the server. it still only lets me connect by sftp.
02:31<jm_>eddieB_: check if it's listening on port 21
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02:32<eddieB_>jm: http://pastebin.ca/1068915
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02:33<jm_>eddieB_: run "invoke-rc.d vsftpd start" - it's not running now
02:33<xwl>jm_: hmm, i tried git ssh operations the reverse direction, works out of box. That may imply osx's sshd's problem?
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02:33<jm_>xwl: that pastebin test was a regular ssh connect, right? not git?
02:34<xwl>jm_: yes.
02:34<xwl>jm_: just `ssh -v ip'
02:34<xwl>and -p 12345
02:35<jm_>xwl: well not sure how to debug it on macos, on Linu or Solaris I'd use strace/truss
02:36<xwl>jm_: it's okay. thanks for the help! anyway, i can git push/pull from os x. :)
02:36<eddieB_>jm_: when i try to connect to ftp via ftp client i get this "OPPS: vsftpd: both local and anonymous access disabled!"
02:37<eddieB_>jm_: i have this in the conf file "#local_enable=YES"
02:38<jm_>eddieB_: remove the #
02:38<eddieB_>jm_: should i remove it from them all? every line starts with #
02:39<jm_>eddieB_: no just for this line #local_enable=YES
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02:41<eddieB_>jm_: cool. i can login by ftp now.
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02:42<eddieB_>jm_: should i remove the # on all the ones i changed?
02:42<jm_>eddieB_: what do you mean?
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02:43<eddieB_>hm_: you told me to remove the #. what exactly did that do?
02:44<jm_>eddieB_: # means the line is commented out - man vsftpd.conf
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02:44<eddieB_>jm_: i see. i can now login to ftp but i still can't download via download manager
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02:46<superlinux>jm_ how's going bro?
02:46<jm_>eddieB_: i can't help you with that - vsftpd itself should work now, perhaps try it locally on the debian box first
02:47<eddieB_>jm_: i don't understand "perhaps try it locally on the debian box first"
02:47<jm_>eddieB_: run "ftp localhost" on it
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02:51<superlinux>i have a little problem with my sound mixer that it doesnt stay all the time on the microphone. it stays all the time on the micro-boost
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02:52<eddieB_>jm_: this is what i get when i run that command. "Using binary mode to transfer files."
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02:53<jm_>eddieB_: that's ok, now type "lcd /tmp" and then "ls" and finally "get file" where file is one of the file shown by ls
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02:55<eddieB_>jm_: that's what i get when i type "get file"
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03:05<morgan`>hi
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03:08<jm_>eddieB_: replace word "file" with one of the files show by ls command
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03:13<jm_>eddieB_: ok so vsftpd works just fine
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03:15<vook>I'm setting up a laptop for a mildly computer literate family member and I'm looking for an easy to use gnome wifi tool. Does anyone know of any such tool that integrates nicely into the panel?
03:15<eddieB_>jm_: so that means?
03:15<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>vook: nm-applet
03:16<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>vook: network-manager-gnome
03:16<vook>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: thanks - looking...
03:16<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>yep
03:16<jm_>eddieB_: that you should look elsewhere for error
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03:21<vook>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: hmm, it's installed but it doesn't appear within "Add to Panel".
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03:23<krsnadasa>hello all
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03:24<krsnadasa>can some one help me with the intel 4965 driver?
03:24<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>vook: it's a notification icons thing
03:25<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>vook: It appears in "Notification Area", I though you meant anywhere on a panel
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03:25<krsnadasa>anyone ?
03:25<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>vook: If you must have one that appears in "Add to Panel" then I can't help you there since I know of none
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03:30<vook>GhostlyDeath|Laptop: thanks - I got it. Just had to add it to "Sessions".
03:30<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>vook: that helps
03:31<vook>coo. Off to play more Xmas Lemmings.
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03:49<flyfei>英文的噶
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04:02<superlinux>back to my problem.. i had to leave
04:02<superlinux>i have a little problem with my sound mixer that it doesnt stay all the time on the microphone. it stays all the time on the micro-boost
04:02<superlinux>how can i save the state of my sound card?
04:03<jm_>alsactl store
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04:05<superlinux>aha
04:06<superlinux>doesnt debian do that?
04:06<superlinux>on the services?
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04:45<osar>Hi. Is there some way (other then letting wget lose on the debian-security-announce archives) to get my own machine readable local archive of all DSAs?
04:45<jm_>mailing list archive maybe
04:45<osar>I don't see the sometimes offered method of downloading the archives in mbox format there
04:46<jm_>it should be able to send digest messages
04:46<osar>those would be multipart mime messages with one DSA per part?
04:47<superlinux>jm_ did jake get his problem solved?
04:47<osar>how would I get to this 'digest messages'?
04:48<jm_>try sending help to majordomo, I forgot the details
04:48<jm_>superlinux: I have no idea
04:48<superlinux>aha
04:48<superlinux>anyway..
04:48<superlinux>just that problem took long to be solved
04:49<gsimmons>osar: Alternatively, check out the DSA data source from svn://svn.debian.org/secure-testing/data/DSA/
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04:51<osar>gsimmons: ah, that's perfect, thanks!
04:51<weasel>that's _testing_, isn't it?
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04:51<disposable>how do i move half a million wav files into another directory? i know it be something like find -name '*.wav' | xargs something mv /path but i'm not sure.
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04:52<weasel>disposable: find ... -print0 | xargs -0 mv -v -t /path
04:52<disposable>weasel: thanks again :)
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05:05<emerson>e ae galera
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06:29<Woet>is there a 1-line command for adduser? Such as: 'adduser foo --password bar --skipinfo'
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06:30<jm_>yeah
06:30<Maledict>Hi, people
06:30<Woet>jm_: mind giving it?
06:30<jm_>Woet: no :)
06:30<Woet>and thats because?
06:30<jm_>I said I don't mind ;)
06:31<Woet>lol
06:31<jm_>useradd
06:31<jm_>but it expects crypted password
06:31<Woet>I would like /home/foo too
06:31<jm_>in which case it's the same as adduser + mkpasswd
06:32<Woet>it can be multiple commands too
06:32<Woet>so
06:32<Woet>useradd foo
06:32<Woet>mkpasswd foo bar
06:32<Woet>and then its a shell user?
06:33<jm_>should be
06:33<Maledict>I have a little question to submit, I hope if anyone can answer to me
06:33<Maledict>I must embed a bash instance in a software
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06:33<Maledict>and I thinked to redirect input and output to the shell with two pipes
06:33<Maledict>but, after that I send the first command, the bash read an EOF, and then exits
06:34<Maledict>but I must to keep it alive
06:34<Maledict>does anyone know what I can do?
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06:34<jm_>Maledict: what's the point?
06:35<Maledict>that I must realize an application that can receive shell commands and send it to an instance
06:35<Maledict>but not single commands, the bash instance must be the same, else it has no sense
06:36<Woet>jm_: useradd does not create the home directory, nor makes it a shell user
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06:36<jm_>Woet: it has a switch that makes it create one
06:37<Maledict>adduser is a script that does what you need
06:37<avu>Maledict, aren't you in fact maledicta?
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06:38<Maledict>no, I'm the real Maledict
06:38<Woet>useradd foo -d /home/foo -p 9rOsHYEGatkkM -s /bin/bash
06:38<Maledict>;)
06:38<Woet>there we go :)
06:38<avu>Maledict, but there is no real Maledict, it's Maledicta!
06:39<Maledict>sure, Maledicta is another
06:39<Maledict>genuine Maledict
06:39<avu>you may want to read monstrous regiment again.
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06:58<mordy>hello all
06:58<mordy>can anyone help me setting up a local debian mirror on a windows machine?
07:01<mordy>hello?
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07:03<Woet>eeww windows :+
07:04<mordy>errr.. my goal here is to install debian on another computer - but i'm getting errors in the netinstall
07:05<mordy>what i want to do is PXE boot into the tftp server on windows and download debian locally - as opposed to actually downloading it directly from the internet - i have the ISO
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07:07<mordy>of course the best thing would be to resolve the issue of me getting download errors in the first place - but the ISP here isn't the greatest
07:07<mordy>any suggestions?
07:08<qq_>change ISP ?
07:08<mordy>i've searched all over - but i'm not finding anything clear
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07:08<mordy>there's only one ISP in this place - well, it has several companies - but they all use the same lines. it's not that horrible, but rather jumpy
07:09<jm_>why does installer fail then?
07:09<mordy>i don't know - it always gives me mirror errors
07:10<Hideo>let us see them
07:10<Hideo>!paste
07:10<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
07:10<mordy>lol, i can't paste - i'm using another computer for the install
07:10<mordy>let me boot it up
07:10<qq_>where is "this place" ?
07:10<mordy>israel
07:11<mordy>everything is controled by Bezeq
07:11<qq_>change the contry ?
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07:12<mordy>lol, you have a ticket for me?
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07:14<mordy>i don't know. maybe the servers are just buggy
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07:15<mordy>now it's working on a server from germany
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07:15<qq_>change the mirrors ?
07:15<mordy>well, i tried a few installations and i tried a few mirrors
07:16<Woet>is there a linux command to check whether a directory exists?
07:16<mordy>i don't know. i'm from windows :|
07:16<jm_>Woet: yes - man test (and don't ask "yes/no/anyone" questions)
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07:17<mordy>what's most depressing is at the end it gives me an error about the signature for the kernel not being authenticated
07:18<mordy>hmm... this time i'm not having any download problems. last night was very buggy
07:19<jm_>you can easily tell it to ignore that
07:19<mordy>ahh
07:21<mordy>i think i saw something about that - but only when searching for something else - something like "allow_unauthenticated=true"
07:21<jm_>yes http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs04.html#preseed-apt
07:21<jm_>!5% error
07:21<dpkg>i guess 5% error is d-i stopping at 5%? Boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like. Since <etch> has been released, you should be downloading a released version of the installer from debian.org which would not have this problem.
07:21<jm_>just that first part
07:22<mordy>i have that line appended to default in pxeconfig.0
07:22<jm_>normally you should never need it
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07:24<mordy>"#d-i apt-setup/local0/source boolean true" - this is what i need to have a local network setup?
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07:25<jm_>no that's for deb-src lines
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07:26<mordy>now i got an authentication error again
07:27<mordy>how do i kill aptitude?
07:28<jm_>on 2nd tty
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07:28<jm_>but I doubt it has stopped for you
07:28<jm_>that second part shouldn't apply in your case
07:29<josnar>Hello, I have a doubt. When configuring my system, I set up it to use Testing branch (you know APT::Default-Release "testing";), my problem is when resolving dependences, apt have to downgrade some packets to 'stable'. My question is: Does it mean that the packet will be assigned 'forever' to the stable branch?
07:29<mordy>now how do i get myself out of this complex install screen and go back to the regular install? i don't know what to answer to all these questions
07:30<jm_>josnar: apt will not downgrade packages
07:31<josnar>sorry.... aptitude
07:31<jm_>same goes for aptitude
07:32<josnar>then.... what was this? :)
07:32<josnar>Score is 179
07:32<josnar>Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] Y
07:32<josnar>The following packages will be DOWNGRADED:
07:32<josnar> apt apt-utils aptitude debhelper dpkg dpkg-dev python-support
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07:33<jm_>josnar: do you have pinning configured?
07:33<mordy>how do i bypass this authentication? i've entered allow_authentication=true - but i got the same error
07:33<mordy>:-<
07:33<jm_>entered it where?
07:34<mordy>in the shell
07:34<mordy>from the "Execute a shell" in the installation menu
07:34<jm_>uhm no it's a boot parameter
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07:35<mordy>well, it's also in my default file
07:35<jm_>cat /proc/cmdline
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07:37<josnar>no, I just write the line for the default-release in apt.conf... I'am going to configure pinning... with pinning, if a packet is (for example) as unstable, with your default branch as testing, will the 'unstable' packet associated to the unstable version forever or when the packet become testing the system won't upgrade it?
07:37<josnar>phew... apologize for my english.... if I need to repeat, ask me for please...
07:38<mordy>i don't know what "cat /proc/cmdline" is, but i did use "install allow_unauthenticated=true" before i started it up
07:38<qq_>great , hehe
07:39<mordy>is there any way to automate that boot parameter?
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07:39<jm_>it's a command to show parameters passed to running kernel
07:40<sep>cat /proc/cmdline ?
07:40<mordy>oh, i see
07:40<mordy>:D
07:40<jm_>josnar: interesting, but are you sure it actually downloads from stable? i'd say it's picking them from the cache -- as for pinning, not it will be installed once it enters testing
07:42<josnar>yes, it was downloaded from the stable repo
07:42<josnar>Get:6 http://ftp.fr.debian.org stable/main aptitude 0.4.4-4 [2873kB]
07:42<josnar>ok, great invent apt-pinning :)
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07:43<josnar>thank you very much jm_ :)
07:43<mordy>would it still check for authetication (albeit bypassing it) if it worked?
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07:43<jm_>ahh you have entries for "stable" in sources.list? that would explain it , I guess it's related to aptitude's "new" dependency resolver
07:44<josnar>yes, I have all branches in sources.list
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07:44<qq_>not good at all
07:45<josnar>the good point is the downgrade run ok :)
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07:45<mordy>and is there a way to reuse the downloaded files of a failed installation without actually downloading everything over again? i've tried rescue mode, but with no luck. it seems to do just the same thign
07:47<mordy>my bandwidth usage for the past two days is almost 10GB
07:47<jm_>not if you're reformating
07:48<mordy>true
07:48<mordy>well, here comes the moment of truth - it's installing the kernel
07:50<mordy>well, it worked
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07:51<mordy>well, the first time i tried to install it, it worked like a charm - but then i screwed up the whole OS and decided just to format
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07:52<mordy>does apt-get and aptitude work with the same authentication requiremetns?
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07:54<jm_>yes
07:54<jm_>it's actually apt that complains so the install fails
07:55<mordy>lol "complains"
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07:57<mordy>and how would i enter that parameter there?
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07:57<mordy>in sources.list?
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07:58<jm_>no, it should be a warning and it'll ask you if you want to continue IIRC
07:59<mordy>yeah, the whole problem started when i wanted to install something - i just got pissed off at the computer and formatted the hd
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08:01<jm_>LOL
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08:01<mordy>i wanted to install a freenx server. i don't know how to use linux at all - so i was just googling around - but that didn't help me much
08:02<jm_>installing freenx is a pain even for someone with more experience
08:02<mordy>since the computer that i'm installing linux on produces so much heat that you can get a heatstroke just from sitting by it, and VNC is sluggish
08:02<mordy>and installing a virtual machine of some sort on my main computer wasn't an option, as this tiny laptop doesn't have enough juice
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08:03<jm_>why not use ssh -X instead?
08:04<mordy>would it give me a GUI?
08:04<jm_>or X -query ...
08:04<weasel>why would you need a gui on a server anyway.
08:04<jm_>sure, you can start GUI apps that way, but you need X server locally
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08:04<mordy>i just want to learn - i probably won't be needing the GUI very much - but it's nice in the beginning
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08:06<mordy>hmm... i want the desktop - not only the capability for GUI apps
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08:06<mordy>well, VNC is ok for most things - but i thought installing freenx would give me an educational experience. it's given me a headache
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08:12<mordy>not that i know much about what X server is, or how to work it - or even how to install it :-??
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08:23<mordy>well, i think it's working
08:23<mordy>i don't know if i'm connected or not
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08:54<jm_>no wonder he can't downloa danything with such an ISP
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09:46<Zathraz>Hi. Is there a way so I can have a systemscript running as root issue various commands as an other user? (so not just a rights issue, but merely an environment issue)
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09:48<mordy>errr.... how do i bypass authentication in apt-get?
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09:49<makke>Zathraz: something like "su foo -c"?
09:49<makke>Zathraz: "su -c foo" i mean
09:49<mordy>i'm new to this. what exactly is foo, and why would i want to sue it?
09:50<makke>mordy: su -c"command" "username" excutes "command" as "username"
09:51<Zathraz>mordy, will that come back right after the execution of that command to the root environment/script I was in and will I get an exit code with it?
09:51<mordy>hehe, don't ask me questions - i'm totally clueless. i'm just lucky enough to be able to use a VNC connection
09:51<mordy>well, you can ask. i just won't know what to answer
09:51<makke>mordy: sorry this was for Zathraz
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09:52<makke>Zathraz: yes its executing just this one command
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09:52<Zathraz>k. ty
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09:53<Zathraz>funny. I only used su to become root or an other user. Never looked at other options. Thanks
09:54<mordy>su=switch user?
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09:54<Stroumph>hello
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10:09<Borzun>hi
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10:15<sheldonh>will lenny be 4.1 or 5.0?
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10:28<Zathraz>makke, su -c command username works fine if the command does not take parameters, however it does.... Should I quote the command somehow?
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10:34<graytron>Zathraz: -c "command arguments"
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10:38<Zathraz>when I have in a script: STATUS=`su -c "command arguments" username"
10:38<Zathraz>STATUS is not the exit status but stdio
10:39<Zathraz>how can I have this the other way around please?
10:40<Zathraz>command arguments has output but also an exit status of 0 or 1
10:40<cogwheel>Zathraz, STATUS=`su -c "command arguments; echo $?"
10:40<cogwheel>er..
10:41<cogwheel>Zathraz, STATUS=`su -c "command arguments"; echo $?`
10:41<cogwheel>well.. you get the picture
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10:43<Zathraz>accept that is does not work cogwheel :-(
10:43<cogwheel>hmm
10:44<cogwheel>what about `su -c "command arguments; echo $?"` ?
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10:44<cogwheel>wait no no
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10:44<cogwheel>try this: `su -c "command arguments >/dev/null 2>&1; echo $?"`
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10:44<Deepy>Is there some easy way to get a IPW3945 ABG wireless LAN to work?
10:45<Deepy>I tried the Intel drivers but I couldn't even get them to compile
10:46<sheldonh>Deepy: hehe. that's what had me upgrade to sid, in the end
10:46<Deepy>I'm on etch :-)
10:47<Zathraz>works fine cogwheel . :-) Thanks!
10:47<cogwheel>uh.. i just noticed that gives always 0 :D
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10:48<Deepy>heh, I forgot to enable contrib and non-free
10:49<Zathraz>I call a binary command as a certain user to get the status of a daemon. If it is not running the binary (or actually a perl script is in the middle) says so and exits with 1 else I get a load of info and an exit status of 0
10:49<Zathraz>I tested with both the daemon running and not running and got different exit statuses. So it works for me
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10:52<fnask>sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hdd /media/hd/ <-- whats wrong?
10:52<paistis>try whitout -t ext3
10:53<Hideo>it's the hdd part
10:53<paistis>true
10:53<fnask>without the -t ext3 it tells me to specify a filesystem
10:53<Hideo>what partition?
10:54<paistis>fnask: chek the /dev/hdd part
10:54<paistis>should be hdd1 or sometrhing
10:54<fnask>ow
10:54<fnask>yes.. i saw
10:54<fnask>thanks!
10:56<mordy>hello
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10:56<mordy>is there a quick solution to setting up a terminal server for client access from windows? - with gui etc.
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10:57<mordy>i saw freenx, but that's too complicated for me to install. i only want remote desktop because i want to lean linux in the first place, but the pc with linux installed is not very maneuverable
10:58<petemc>gnome has remote desktop stuff built in
10:58<petemc>probably kde has as well, i dont use it
10:58<mordy>a server or a client?
10:58<petemc>server
10:58<mordy>i don't need the client - i need the server
10:58<mordy>hmm.. it has VNC, which i'm using now. but it's sluggish
10:58<petemc>yes,i gathered
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10:58<mordy>i'm on my windows desktop now
10:58<petemc>well, nx is more bandwidth friendly
10:58<Deepy>mordy, x forwarding!
10:59<petemc>i use the nomachine debs, easy to set up
10:59<mordy>hmm... let me see
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10:59<chameleon>hi all
11:00<mordy>hmm... let me see if i can find them online
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11:02<chameleon>i still haveing no luck with Compiz
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11:04<mordy>errr... what are the limitations in the "Evaluation" edition?
11:04<dino_>join 1on1
11:05<dino_>how i can join cs channels?
11:05<dino_>\join 1on1
11:06<dino_>hmm
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11:20<bayar>bonjour
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11:20<bayar>je souhaite installer un serveur mail pour un reseau LAN
11:21<bayar>j'ai installer les paquet postfix courier-imap
11:22<bayar>j'ai affecter quelque modification sur /etc/init.d/main.cf
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11:22<bayar>ehhh
11:22<bayar>sur /etc/postfix/main.cf
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11:23<bayar>maintenant je trouve les mail envoyer depuis thunderbird
11:24<bayar>avec la commande mail
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11:24<weasel>wrong language.
11:24<weasel>!fr
11:24<dpkg>rumour has it, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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11:24<bayar>mais je peut pas telecharger les message depuis le client thunderbird
11:24<bayar>il me renvoie toujour
11:24<bayar>aucun message n'as etais trouver sur le serveur
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11:27<bayar>ya personne qui peut m'aider a ce sujet?
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11:33<noflash>bayar, english ?
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11:41<bayar>sorry
11:41<bayar>i whant to setup a web mail server
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11:42<bayar>i used postfix & courier-imap
11:43<bayar>but now i can send mail from thunderbirds using this server
11:43<bayar>but i cant download mails from it
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11:44<bayar>but i see sent mails using the command mail from the server
11:44<bayar>what's wrong? why i can't download this mails
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11:44<bayar>from the client thunderbird?
11:46<bayar>there is a configuration that should i do in /etc/courier-imap/imapd ?
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11:46<bayar>somone can help me
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12:05<Guest124>hallo
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12:07<corky>hi all.. i am installing debian on another PC (laptop actually) and it wants me to select what software to install.. so what does the "Standard system"
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12:08<corky> include?
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12:10<newsense>basic networking utilities, editors etc..
12:11<corky>newsense: so i should defenatly get this?
12:11<newsense>i would
12:12<newsense>i installed only standard system group than instaled x after that
12:12<corky>yeah.. planning on doin' that to
12:12<newsense>i didnt want gnome installed
12:12<corky>with fluxbox or something damn fast...
12:12<newsense>have to install alsa too if ya need sound
12:13<corky>well.. users choice! ^^
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12:13<corky>newsense: with this good of a laptop speakers, i defenatly want audio support! =)
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12:13<newsense>i had a nice laptop once till it got stolen
12:13<corky>alsa, i had some troubles with them on ubuntu, they finally fixed this by getting the new version in 8.04
12:14<corky>newsense: where may i ask?.. airport?.. bus station?..
12:14<corky>home?
12:14<newsense>i tried ubuntu, everything worked for me
12:14<newsense>home at a party
12:14<newsense>my party that is
12:15<corky>whoa.. thats ffed up..
12:15<newsense>yeah it was almost 2000 dollars, was a sager but had the exact same board and everything else as a 3000 dollar alienware
12:15<corky>i mean.. i leave my laptop never alone.. only when i am at school because i wander a lot around there
12:16<corky>newsense: do you have gmail?
12:16<newsense>if i ever get another one im gonna be on it like a prison guard
12:16<newsense>yeah
12:16<newsense>ive had it since it first came out
12:16<corky>well.. may i have it?.. wanna keep in touch with you ^^
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12:17<newsense>newsense2004
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12:17<j053f>today is a beautiful day
12:18<_nisse>yes
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12:18<newsense>when i hit my right shift key the numlock is avtivated along with 4 number presses, anyone able to help ?
12:18<newsense>yeah it is
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12:18<j053f>take off the boxing gloves
12:19<newsense>lol
12:19<newsense>lmao
12:19<newsense>no thats not the problem im not wearing any gloves
12:19*fxiny drinks sangria in the park
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12:27<corky>newsense: my gmail is spacebarisforlosers ... space bar is for losers ;-)... going to eat.. cya! :D
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12:30<newsense>ok cool you got mine
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12:33<matth_>guys am I wrong when seeing the defaut name server installed on debian etch is "bind" (i.e ISC Bind 8.4.7) ?
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12:34<matth_>i.e some unsupported piece of software since 2006
12:35<witte>matth_: i don't think a name server is installed by default
12:35<wnd>I don't know about default name server, but yes, "bind" package is bind 8.4.7. bind9 will get you 9.3.4.
12:35<matth_>I mean aptitude install bind does install the 8.4.7
12:35<matth_>I've got a problem with that
12:35<wnd>that's correct
12:35<wnd>install bind9 instead
12:36<matth_>why not having bind8 as a separated packages, and have bind symlink to bind9 the most recent and patched version ?
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12:36<Gathond>matth_: debian never has the most recent and patched version, they have whatever got through to stable when it was last released + whatever security patches they have added
12:36<AlphaTwin>Is it possible to burn a CD in another format than ISO9660? EXT3 for example?
12:36<wnd>I'd suspect there has been some major changes between bind 8 and 9, so debian developers decided it would be the best to let the user to deal with transition manually
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12:37<Gathond>matth_: debians bind 8.4.7 is very unlikely to be the same as the original one at this stage
12:37<matth_>Gathond: You misinterpret my words
12:38<matth_>Gathond: recent & patched existing in the debian archive
12:38<Gathond>matth_: I do? you propose to just always update the debian package with the most recent upstream version?
12:38<matth_>definitly not.
12:38<matth_>I point out some package naming problem in my opinion
12:39<wnd>AlphaTwin, I'm sure that's possible, but if you're planning to use the cd elsewhere it's probably not very practical
12:39<matth_>and my question to why bind8 is still in the archive actually
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12:40<Gathond>matth_: you might have a point in bind9 being a better default
12:40<Gathond>that is not the same as the debian bind8 being unsupported though
12:40<Villarroel>What /etc/cron.daily/apt and aptitude does?
12:40<AlphaTwin>wnd - No, I am aware of that :) I believe it would require the user to manually mount the disc through the Terminal. I am just interested in knowing how to do it - I suppose there is no standard software available that can do that out of the box
12:40<matth_>Gathond: yep two points
12:40<j053f>where can I set the geometry for gnome-terminal (other than a program argument)
12:40<j053f>is there a config file?
12:41<Gathond>I don't know anything about the resoninig for introducing that naming convention, I would assume wnd is right that something changed so it is no longer compatible
12:41<wnd>AlphaTwin, have you tried creating the filesystem with mkfs.ext3 and writing that as a cd-image?
12:42<Gathond>and it might have been judged simpler to introduce a new name to depend on rather than change all the bind dependencies to bind8
12:42<AlphaTwin>wnd, no I haven't tried that yet. How would you suggest I do the burning?
12:42<matth_>Villarroel: reading quickly, seems to (logically) update the cache in order to inform you there are updates hot when you wake up ;)
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12:44<matth_>Villarroel: and for aptitude it make a backups of the package state file
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12:44<wnd>AlphaTwin, I don't really know. personally I've been glad to get rid of cd-rws, and to use dvd+rws instead. somehow I got the impression that dvd+rws can be written even with dd (thanks to growisofs' output). but quite honestly I haven't really looked into it any further.
12:45<Villarroel>matth_: thanks. I don't understand those files.
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12:45<wnd>AlphaTwin, if you're using gnome or such, I'd try naming the file "foo.iso" and trying to right-clicking the file to see if there's an option to burn the image.
12:46<wnd>I remember using cdrdao (command line tool) to write disc images, so personally I'd try that first
12:46<AlphaTwin>wnd, Okay :) I will try to fake it as being an .iso file, and if it doesn't work I will use a DVD and use dd
12:46<AlphaTwin>Okay, thanks :)
12:46<wnd>cdrskin - command line CD/DVD writing tool
12:46<wnd>I wonder what that is
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12:48<wnd>talking of bind and bind9, stable also has exim and exim4
12:48<corky>what package should i get for X11 installation?
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12:48<matth_>Ok answer was in the security advisory : http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1604
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12:48<corky>X11-common ?
12:48<matth_>"BIND 8 (that is, the bind package) will be removed from the etch distribution in a future point release."
12:48<wnd>corky, what do you /really/ want to do?
12:48<Nemoder>corky: xorg
12:48<corky>install X11 and fluxbox
12:49<wnd>I'd just issue "aptitude install fluxbox" and see if the dependencies look ok
12:49<corky>Nemoder: just what i looked for
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12:49<wnd>I wouldn't bother installing the x server separately unless that was really required
12:49<wnd>I'm sure fluxbox must depend on it somehow anyway
12:50<wnd>thinking of it I think I have to take that back
12:50<wnd>nothing prevents you from running it over ssh
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12:50<Nemoder>wnd: not always, often they just depend on the libs and not the server, anyway xorg is a meta package that includes everything needed for x
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12:56<newsense> anyone know what would cause hitting the right shift key to activate num lock and press 4 numbers, and no im not wearing boxing gloves
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12:58<Nemoder>oven mittens?
12:58<newsense>no hand clothing at all
12:58<newsense>lol
12:58<newsense>at least im getting good laughs out of this problem
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13:00<newsense>heh just noticed if i just activate num lock my shift works again
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13:02<principit0>i do have a problem trying to install the debian 4 rc1 because of it doesn't detect my sata dvd
13:02<principit0><principit0> what should i do ?
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13:04<samuel-veyre>principit0, maybe a kernel module for your sata dvd is available on the website of the manufacturer ?
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13:04<Gathond>principit0: look under the boot options F4 or F5
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13:05<Gathond>principit0: I had success with 1. setting the bios to emulate a PATA interface and 2. disapling apic lapic , setting generic.ide and irqpoll=0
13:05<Gathond>or something along those lines, the exact arguments are not in my memory at the moment
13:06<Gathond>something like linux noapic nolapic irqpoll=0 ide.generic=generic.ide ... but all the options should be explained under one of the function keys in the initial boot screen of the installer
13:07<principit0>um
13:07<principit0>is not about bios boot stuff
13:07<witte>principit0: try a installer with newer kernel
13:07<witte>!kmuto
13:07<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>.
13:07<Gathond>principit0: no, its about the installer not detecting the drive after booting right?
13:07<principit0>no is during the instalation
13:08<Gathond>principit0: that is what I meant yes
13:08<principit0>maybe i should try some lenny stuff
13:08<Gathond>principit0: and the steps above solved that for me
13:08<Gathond>the bios step is just to allow the generic ide driver to work
13:09<Gathond>it worked for me using an intel P35 chipset
13:09<principit0>ok i'll try
13:09<principit0>thx
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13:09<Gathond>afterwards I installed an upgraded lenny kernel, switched the bios back to AHCI mode on SATA and changed /(dev/hdX to /dev/sdX
13:09<Gathond>in fstab
13:10<Gathond>principit0: you might need lenny to get a new enough kernel after the installation though
13:11<Gathond>or a manufacturer supplied SATA driver for the chipset
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13:12<witte>Gathond: the kmuto installer ships wiht 2.6.24...
13:13<principit0>ok thanks for it
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13:30<Woet>/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found
13:30<Woet>which package do I need?
13:32<fxiny> hmmm . i've seen this before
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13:33<fxiny>/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: symbolic link to `libc-2.3.6.so' dpkg -S > libc6-i686: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
13:33<fxiny>but again someone else was complaining this week . can't remember more about it
13:34<fxiny>ohhh yes , was about installing rar
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13:34<Woet>fxiny: so.. which package name?
13:35<fxiny>libc6-i686
13:35<Woet>ty
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13:35<fxiny>but you should have it
13:35<Woet>libc6-i686 is already the newest version.
13:35<Woet>yea
13:35<fxiny>that's the problem
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13:38<fxiny>so , someone was installing rar on a leaseweb.com remote sever for running torrent and dreams like that , rar could not find it and we told him to refere to his provider
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13:39<fxiny>Woet: same happening to you ?
13:39<Woet>hmm
13:39<Woet>it is a leaseweb box
13:39<fxiny>seen ?
13:39<Woet>i just need glibc
13:39<Woet>i forgot the package name
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13:40<fxiny> glibc and libc6 are the same thing
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13:52<newsense>what do i need to change in fstab to allow users to access my windows partition, i have it mounted
13:52<mes>what file system?
13:52<mes>ntfs?
13:52<newsense>ntfs
13:52<mes>do you have ntfs-3g?
13:52<newsense>root can access it
13:52<newsense>i should let me check
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13:53<newsense>thats probobly it huh, thanks
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13:53<mes>!ntfs-3g
13:53<dpkg>i guess ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g. Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage
13:53<newsense>getting it now
13:53<mes>alright
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13:56<newsense>mes: thanks that did it
13:56<mes>awesome, glad i could help
13:56<newsense>how to i get it to automount everytime i boot ?
13:56<mes>add ntfs-3g as the fstype in fstab
13:56<newsense>cool youre the man
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13:57<mes>no prob. you're lucky i've had the same issue :p
13:57<newsense>;)
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13:58<AlphaTwin>Hey, I just created an ext3 file with mfst.ext3, and partitioned it with fdisk. I can mount the file with no problems - but how do I get access to the other partition?
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14:55<kaliaz>somebody use kde4 ?
14:56<ffws|hathe>yes
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14:56<kaliaz>kpackage works fine for u ?
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14:57<ffws|hathe>I don't use kpackage, just plain apt-get
14:57<kaliaz>wow
14:57<kaliaz>i use synaptic
14:57<mes>what are some of the advantages/disadvantages among apt-get, synaptic, or aptitude?
14:58<mes>different interfaces?
14:58<kaliaz>i use aptitude only when the X dont work
14:58<ffws|hathe>apt-get works best for sid, the other often cannot handle dependency changes and so on
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14:59<Hydroxide>not true ... aptitude has been the preferred tool in debian since sarge
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15:00<Hydroxide>preferred for major upgrades, at least, but it works great for normal usage too
15:00<kaliaz>synaptic is better
15:00<Hydroxide>if you want a gui, sure
15:00<Hydroxide>and that's fine
15:00<Hydroxide>aptitude can do some great resolving of weird dependency clusters
15:00<mes>isn't synpatic just a gui frontend to apt-get/aptitude that uses gtk?
15:00<kaliaz>and apt-get is better without gui
15:00<Hydroxide>no
15:00<Hydroxide>synaptic, apt-get, and aptitude are all frontends to apt
15:00<Hydroxide>or, APT
15:00<mes>oh
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15:01<kaliaz>apt = apt-get
15:01<Hydroxide>kaliaz: no.
15:01<mes>i've never really got the differences between the three really settled
15:01<kaliaz>no frontend
15:01<kaliaz>ah no ?
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15:01<Hydroxide>kaliaz: nope. apt is the library that all of them use
15:01<kaliaz>typed apt in bash
15:01<kaliaz>no is a program
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15:02<Hydroxide>apt isn't a program.
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15:02<kaliaz>oh
15:02<kaliaz>just a library ?
15:02<Hydroxide>yeah. and apt-get is a frontend provided in the same package as the library
15:02<Hydroxide>but synaptic, apt-get, and aptitude all use apt
15:03<Hydroxide>which, in turn, uses dpkg
15:03<ffws|hathe>Hydroxide: I use sid since years and I can tell you apt-get works best for sid
15:03<kaliaz>mmmm but kpackage use apt-get
15:03<Hydroxide>kaliaz: possibly. I don't know how kpackage works.
15:03<kaliaz>oh
15:03<mes>so what exactly is APT?
15:03<ffws|hathe>Hydroxide: and thats not 100% true, synaptic uses other dependency flags then apt-get
15:04<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: but can you tell me how it works better, and give me an example of a situation where apt-get works better for you than aptitude?
15:04<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: what do you mean by a dependency flag? apt-get isn't a dependency flag
15:04<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: and synaptic doesn't use apt-get. it uses apt directly.
15:05<Hydroxide>mes: apt is the common package infrastructure, implemented as a library with associated config files, package databases, etc., which all of debian's package management frontends use
15:05<Hydroxide>mes: including synaptic, apt-get, aptitude, and (possibly by means of calling apt-get) kpackage
15:05<kaliaz>wow
15:06<mes>so is it what handles dependency generation for debs so that dpkg can install them?
15:06<ffws|hathe>Hydroxide: aptitude and synaptics wanted to remove my complete system more than one time while apt-get solved the dependecies correct
15:06<Hydroxide>mes: apt, usually. aptitude has its own logic that can sometimes do better
15:07<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: that doesn't make sense. synaptic just uses apt's logic, and should handle dependencies the exact same way as apt-get
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15:07<mes>alright. thanks for the clarification. i've understood the basic principles for a while now, but never really got any of the details
15:07<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: but, here's an example where aptitude's more advanced logic was helpful to me
15:08<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: on an machine running unstable, I wanted to try kde4 from experimental
15:08<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: so I selected the experimental version of kde from aptitude
15:09<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: it was able to figure out most of what needed to be upgraded, and gave me the flexibility to make a few corrections so that they would all be installed together
15:09<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: when I decided I wasn't ready to use kde4, I selected the old version of KDE, and aptitude even handled the downgrade well
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15:09<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: then, to clear things out, I removed the core kde4 library, and it at first wanted to reinstall it, but I was able to tell it "no, I don't want to do that. find some other way to make things consistent" and it offered to remove the rest of kde4-dependent stuff
15:10<ffws|hathe>Hydroxide: I did exactly that more than once without a problem using apt-get
15:10<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: if it works for you, great.
15:10<ffws|hathe>Hydroxide: yes, the KDE4 thing on three different machines
15:10<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: are you talking about the downgrade, though?
15:10<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: that was the tricky part
15:11<ffws|hathe>Hydroxide: I did the downgrade on two machines
15:11<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: how did you do it?
15:12<kingsley>Is it possible to tell if an EXT2 file system is "clean" while it's mounted?
15:12<Hydroxide>kingsley: by definition it isn't
15:12<kaliaz>ia use kde4 experimental and is really god ..... without gui from shell with aptitude
15:12<Hydroxide>kingsley: mounted filesystems aren't clean
15:13<Hydroxide>kaliaz: I'm glad you liked kde4. I'll certainly be trying it again.
15:13<ffws|hathe>Hydroxide: by just installing the kdebase lib for KDE3 (I think, it was some weeks ago, but it took not more then 10min including download time for kde3 packages)
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15:14<mes>why do you prefer KDE?
15:14<mes>just wondering
15:14<kaliaz>plasma is nice thing
15:14<ffws|hathe>mes: why do you like pizza?
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15:14<Hydroxide>mes: yeah, it's a very personal decision. I could tell you my reasons, but it's not a matter of right or wrong...
15:14<mes>ffws|hathe: i get where you're coming from, but i was just curious as to the features that mattered to you
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15:15<mes>i have my own firm beliefs as to what a decent DE is
15:15<mes>and was just curious as to hearing from others. especially since i only have direct contact with one other person who uses *nix based systems, i don't get to discuss this very often
15:15<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: just installing the kde3 base library doesn't downgrade from kde4
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15:16<ffws|hathe>mes: what I like (atm) most on KDE4 is that I can navigate and start programs without the mouse
15:16<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: if you don't want to continue this, that's fine, but I'm interested in comparing how complex this sort of procedure is. who knows, maybe I'll learn something since I haven't used apt-get regularly in a while :)
15:16<mes>ffws|hathe: o.O?
15:16<Hydroxide>(except for one or two things like apt-get source which aptitude still hasn't implemented)
15:16<kaliaz>:O
15:17<ffws|hathe>Hydroxide: I can search my logfiles for the command I used - the thing I can tell you at the moment is that I had no problems by downgrading with apt-get
15:18<kaliaz>me too
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15:18<kingsley>Can any tools other than dumpe2fs, fsck and e2fsck report whether an unmounted EXT2 file system is corrupt?
15:18<kaliaz>i thing not
15:18<kingsley>Or at least whether it's "clean"?
15:19<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: I'm not doubting that it's possible. It clearly is.
15:19<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: it's just more annoying to do, especially if you don't like the first suggested way to proceed that apt-get shows you
15:21<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: for example, let's say you're installing a program that has three packages in its Recommends field. you know you want to install one of them, don't want to install the second one, and want to read the description of the third one to decide if you want to install it
15:21<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: but you didn't know about these Recommends before you typed "apt-get install the-main-program<enter>"
15:21<ffws|hathe>Hydroxide: of course, you have to learn how to use apt-get, but when thats done it works quite well for sid, and in my opinion mor reliable then others
15:21<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: or, even if you did.
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15:21<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: they all use the same backend. they're all equally reliable.
15:22<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: and they all work
15:22<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: including apt-get, certainly. it's just more cumbersome.
15:22<ranix>I prefer apt-get
15:23<kaliaz>Hydroxide u right
15:23<kaliaz>is the same thing
15:23<ffws|hathe>Hydroxide: your right about the Suggests/Recommends fields
15:23<kaliaz>apt-get aptitude syanptic
15:24<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: yeah, I forgot about Suggests ... apt-get doesn't even present them to you as a visible option, right? aptitude does, at least when you use it in the full-window user interface
15:24<Hydroxide>though they're not selected by default
15:24<kaliaz>but in shell mode i prefer apt-get
15:24<ffws|hathe>Hydroxide: apt-cache show <package>does
15:24<mes>apt-get does present suggest
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15:24<mes>it has suggests and recommends
15:25<Hydroxide>kaliaz: really? you know aptitude has a shell mode that works pretty much identically to apt-get
15:25<Hydroxide>kaliaz: except that if you want to change something before you start the download, you can
15:25<kaliaz>mmm i prefer the gui mode of aptitude
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15:26<kaliaz>yeah u right hydroxide
15:26<Hydroxide>kaliaz: like, if you type "aptitude install pidgin evolution" and then, when it prompts you, you don't want evolution any more, you can type "-evolution" or "_evolution" and it'll remove or purge evolution
15:26<kaliaz>i know that
15:26<Hydroxide>kaliaz: and at the prompt, if it gives you a complicated dependency resolution and you want to examine it more closely, you can type e and it'll pull up the full aptitude interface with the same operations selected, to let you examine and tweak as needed
15:27<kaliaz>when i have a p?oblem with apt-get i use aptitude
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15:27<Hydroxide>that works
15:27<kaliaz>yeah i know
15:27<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: anyway, I have no vested interest in making you use aptitude. enjoy apt-get :)
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15:27<kaliaz>but right now from a gui the best is synaptic
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15:28<Hydroxide>kaliaz: on that note, Obey Arthur Liu is working on a Google Summer of Code project for Debian to make a gtk aptitude
15:28<mes>that'd be cool
15:28<Hydroxide>his blog is here: http://www.milliways.fr/
15:28<kaliaz>yeah i wana see that
15:29<Hydroxide>including links to code, though he's going to be rewriting his initial version (often a good idea)
15:29<ranix>what a waste of time
15:29<Hydroxide>ranix: hey, you don't have to use it
15:30<ranix>I also don't have to support it
15:30<Hydroxide>ranix: true.
15:30<mes>nope, ain't free choice great?
15:30<ffws|hathe>Hydroxide: I know they depend on the same, but the way the try to solve dependency problems is quite different, adn I found out that just apt-get is most stable for debian unstable ;)
15:30<ranix>in fact, I get great pleasure from loudly proclaiming what a stupid idea graphical package management is
15:30<Hydroxide>ffws|hathe: as I said, enjoy it
15:31<Hydroxide>ranix: well, I don't think anyone's planning to stop developing the console version of aptitude
15:31<Hydroxide>(or apt-get, as far as I know)
15:31<ranix>Hydroxide: it's a red herring for new users
15:31<Hydroxide>ranix: depends on your definitions, goals, etc.
15:32<ffws|hathe>Hydroxide: I will ;)
15:32<ranix>graphical package management suggests click-and-pray end user practices and encourages the selection of "everything that sounds relevent" over "only what I need"
15:32<ranix>not unlike the package group selection in the Debian installer
15:33<ranix>i.e. "games" and "laptop" and "workstation"
15:33<Hydroxide>ranix: that's not a matter of gui versus console
15:33<Hydroxide>ranix: that's a matter of using metapackages or tasks versus not
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15:33<Hydroxide>ranix: things like gnome-app-install as popularized by ubuntu can allow installing individual applications in a very friendly way
15:34<Hydroxide>(I think that's the name...)
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15:34<Hydroxide>ranix: I get lots of useless crap if I type 'apt-get install kde'
15:34<ranix>Hydroxide: I disagree. Every way of presenting that amount of information to the user in a visually pleasing manner rather than in an information strip that draws attention to detail promotes lazy end usser practices
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15:35<ranix>Hydroxide: although I agree with you on metapackages, that's a separate issue
15:35<ranix>but related
15:35<Hydroxide>ranix: wait, so you're opposed to anything that prevents information to the user in a visually pleasing manner?
15:35<Hydroxide>ranix: including things like firefox/iceweasel, pidgin, etc?
15:35<wnd>with any desktop environment "useless crap" goes without saying ;-)
15:35<kaliaz>ranix not all users are experts
15:36<ranix>Hydroxide: generally speaking, I find it to be a negative trait of information presentation
15:36<ranix>Hydroxide: it can be overcome by other positive traits
15:36<ranix>I do not use firefox over elinks because firefox looks nicer
15:36<ranix>I do it because it renders pages more completely with different standard sets
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15:37<Hydroxide>ranix: similarly for me. that said, you do agree it presents things in a visually pleasing manner, most of the time :)
15:37<ranix>Hydroxide: maybe I meant 'visually exciting' manner or something closer to 'distracting'
15:38<Hydroxide>ranix: well, I agree distracting is bad :)
15:38<kaliaz>distracting ?
15:38<Hydroxide>of course, this is all so subjective
15:38<ranix>Hydroxide: a new user must not be coached into click-and-pray mechanics
15:38<kaliaz>mmmmmm why not ?
15:38<Hydroxide>ranix: well, having a user interface where they can be presented with various common applications and given the opportunity to click to install them is fine
15:38<ranix>kaliaz: go use windows peer networking for a few days and meditate on it
15:38<kaliaz>just because is easy ?
15:38<mes>how is synaptic click-and-*pray*?
15:38<Hydroxide>ranix: waaaaiiitt... windows peer networking is NOT click and pray
15:38<kaliaz>i use xp and vista on my machine :)
15:38<Hydroxide>ranix: windows peer networking is not easy
15:39<kaliaz>play*
15:40<ranix>Hydroxide: do you disagree when I say that there is an extremely large volume of users who are able to stumble their way into a semblance of a usable peer network with click-and-pray...
15:40<kaliaz>just one right click and install remove purge etc
15:40<ranix>Hydroxide: such that a huge volume of people believe that this is the only way to use it?
15:40<ranix>Hydroxide: this perception has slowly strangled Microsoft
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15:41<kaliaz>ranix what program use for irc ?
15:41<Hydroxide>ranix: no, I don't think windows networking is click-and-pray in any context
15:41<ranix>kaliaz: bitchx
15:41<ranix>I'm kidding I'm kidding!
15:41<ranix>irssi
15:41<kaliaz>aha
15:41<kaliaz>sure
15:41<ranix>but specifically because of Screen
15:41<ranix>otherwise it'd be xchat
15:42<ranix>screen/pork/irssi is too useful to use anything else
15:42<Hydroxide>ranix: I don't really have a problem with not all linux users being familiar with the command line. I do think they're missing out on lots of awesome stuff
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15:42<ranix>so it's not a good comparison
15:42<Hydroxide>ranix: I use screen/pork/irssi myself :)
15:42<ranix>yeah it's incomparable
15:42<Hydroxide>ranix: although I wish pork supported UTF-8 (because AIM does)
15:42<Hydroxide>ranix: screen/pork/irssi/mutt, actually
15:42<ranix>Hydroxide: I agree
15:42<ranix>I forego mutt for webmail
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15:43<Hydroxide>ranix: but wait, click and pray / visually pleasing / lazy user!!!???!!!1111one!!!!
15:43<mordy>hello
15:43<Hydroxide>:P
15:43<Hydroxide>ranix: (re the webmail)
15:43<mordy>how do i reinstall apt-get - or fix it?
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15:43<Hydroxide>ranix: (just teasing friendly, not seriously criticising)
15:43<ranix>Hydroxide: more like visually distracting -> click and pray -> user who believes click and play is correct
15:43<Hydroxide>mordy: what's wrong with apt-get?
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15:44<Hydroxide>ranix: it is correct. it's just not the onl way that's correct.
15:44<Hydroxide>*only
15:44<ranix>whereas conf file or text based -> knowledgeable user (or no user) -> user who knows what he is doing
15:44<mordy>one sec.. i'll post (a truncated form of the) error message
15:45<Hydroxide>ranix: that's true. to become a power user, you'll have to do that, just like to become a power user of windows you'll have to learn about registry keys and .bat files and .ini files
15:45<Hydroxide>ranix: not ever linux user needs to be a power user
15:45<kaliaz>u right hydroxide :D
15:45<KammyDoe>False :P
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15:45<KammyDoe>Ok, true, but it helps.
15:46<Hydroxide>KammyDoe: admittedly.
15:46<KammyDoe>:)
15:46<KammyDoe>mordy; ouch
15:46<mordy>:E: Lists directory /var/lib/apt/lists/partial is missing." - well, i deleted it
15:46<KammyDoe>You broke apt-get?
15:46*KammyDoe facepalms
15:46<mordy>i think so :(
15:46<ranix>I believe every user who needs to see a list of packages as completely as one sees in apt-get or aptitude needs to be a power user
15:46*KammyDoe facepalms with both hands
15:46<mordy>i deleted the directory - i thought it was a cache or something
15:46<Hydroxide>mordy: that doesn't sound serious. just recreate that directory
15:46<Hydroxide>mordy: it is a cache, but the directory has to exist
15:46<Hydroxide>mordy: then do apt-get update after that
15:47<ranix>sticking with text mode makes more power users than making all sorts of GUI tools
15:48*KammyDoe concurs with ranix
15:48<kaliaz>ranix what is ur problem wiht the guis ?
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15:48<mordy>so i was sorta right
15:48<mordy>i'm new to linux
15:48<Hydroxide>ranix: probably true, except that you also have to consider the people who abandon linux entirely
15:48<Hydroxide>mordy: welcome!
15:48<mordy>hehe, i like the speed, but i must say i'm having some problems
15:48<KammyDoe>People who don't know how to use bash --> Bad linux users
15:48<KammyDoe>GUIS cause this
15:49<kaliaz>mmmmm
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15:49<Hydroxide>certainly a certain amount of familiarity with bash is worth learning
15:49<Hydroxide>but you'd be amazed how many people can learn that without learning how to edit config files or restart server processes
15:49<Hydroxide>or similar
15:49<KammyDoe>Heh, true
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15:49<mordy>i'm still on the GuI
15:49<mordy>GUI
15:49<Hydroxide>mordy: it's a fine place to start. you'll want to expand beyond that to get the full benefit of linux
15:49<ranix>mordy: the most interesting thing about linux in general is SSH
15:50<mordy>yes
15:50<ranix>in my humble opinion
15:50<Hydroxide>mordy: but get comfortable doing the things you need to do every day first
15:50<kaliaz>i like my desktop and i love the shell too :)
15:50<mordy>i guess i'm forced to learn the shell to at least install my devices
15:50<Hydroxide>mordy: then start learning how the hell the rest works :)
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15:50<mordy>and i had to use the shell to install this thing in the first place
15:50<ranix>I was using linux to mud because I wrecked windows 98 trying to install a custom bootsplash when I was a kid
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15:51<ranix>I asked an internet forum what to do
15:51<ranix>they said install linux
15:51<ranix>so I f'n did
15:51<Hydroxide>haha
15:51<ranix>I think that was 1999
15:51<ranix>Potato
15:51<Hydroxide>I started around the same time (1998)
15:51<mordy>the only time i previously used linux was on a live cd to crack a WEP AP
15:52<Hydroxide>with red hat 5.1, and switched to debian in 2000, then joined debian in 2001
15:52<Hydroxide>it's an amazing community...
15:52<ranix>I picked debian because the swirl was sexy
15:52<mordy>now i'm getting this error "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" - which is why i deleted the cache in the first place.
15:52<Hydroxide>(oh, the software is nice too. :P)
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15:52<mordy>you like your women hunchbacked?
15:52<mes>Hydroxide: i have to agree, debian is the best gnu/linux distro out there
15:53<Hydroxide>mordy: google knows the answer to that one ... just search for it. (useful trick for lots of error messages)
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15:53<ranix>I dunno I just think the debian swirl is hot
15:53<mordy>i did - but nothing i found really worked
15:53<mordy>google is my number one friend
15:53<Hydroxide>mordy: what did you find?
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15:54<mordy>i searched for it a few days ago - some commands on expanding the cache - but i don't think that's the problem
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15:55<mordy>it gives me so many problems, this linux
15:55<dr>hi all!!!
15:55<Hydroxide>mordy: that is the problem, actually
15:55<mordy>oh #-o
15:55<dr>is squid the best traffic counter for linux?
15:56<Hydroxide>mordy: although, it shouldn't be occurring in the first place if you have only one of stable, testing, or unstable in your sources.list
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15:56<Hydroxide>mordy: if you have several different versions of debian in there, that's when it would happen
15:56<mordy>ahh
15:56<mordy>i don't know which ones to delete - i guess i should only keep the servers that i used to install in the first plac
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15:56<mordy>e
15:57<Hydroxide>which are those?
15:57<mordy>let me check
15:57<dr>give me please advise what traffic counter for linux is better?
15:58<dr>!
15:58<mordy>one second, let me switch desktops
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16:00<mordy>so many problems. i installed NX server, and i can't log into "root"
16:01<mordy>i could about an hour ago. i don't know what changed :(
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16:03<Hydroxide>mordy: well, nx server isn't in debian, is it? you probably added something to your souces.list
16:03<Hydroxide>*sources.list
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16:03<Hydroxide>mordy: to get an unofficial package from somewhere
16:03<ranix>you don't want nx server
16:03<ranix>you want x11 forwarding
16:04<mordy>nah, this is a different problem. i downloaded nx server from the internet - i.e. from a google search
16:04<ranix>or xdmcp
16:04<mordy>well, it's easy to set up
16:04<ranix>you don't want nx server
16:04<ranix>you want x11 forwarding or xdmcp
16:04<mordy>and it's fast - although buggy - i just want a quick RDP
16:04<mordy>i don't know what i want :|
16:04<ranix>you want x11 forwarding or xdmcp
16:04<ranix>google "xming"
16:04<mordy>and VNC is horrible
16:04<KammyDoe>It's called SSH
16:04<KammyDoe>See about the GUI's? :-)
16:05<ranix>and edit one line of the conf file in gdm
16:05<ranix>KammyDoe: GUIs are nice sometimes
16:05<ranix>KammyDoe: specifically, to run a bunch of terminals in
16:05<ranix>this is what I use xdmcp for
16:05<ranix>(lol)
16:05<KammyDoe>Heh...
16:05<KammyDoe>SSH...
16:05<KammyDoe>Screen...
16:05<ranix>I prefer xterm to putty
16:05<ranix>what can I say
16:05<KammyDoe>That's so unbelievably pointless, it's just lulzy
16:05<KammyDoe>Ew
16:05<KammyDoe>Windows
16:05<KammyDoe>Putty
16:06<ranix>yeah I use windows and linux together as one
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16:06<ranix>a horrible bastard siamese child
16:06<ranix>but man does it do everything
16:06*Hydroxide focuses on things other than IRC ... nice conversation, all.
16:07<mordy>nice seeing you hydroxide
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16:31<nikosd123>Hi. I have a strange problem.
16:31<blarson>nikosd123: that's nice.
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16:31<nikosd123>The package http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gimp-data-extras/gimp-data-extras_2.0.1-3_all.deb doesn't seem to download correctly
16:31<nikosd123>but this http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gimp-data-extras/gimp-data-extras_2.0.1-3_all.deb does. How can this happen? Please give it a try even if it sounds crazy...
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16:33<Villarroel>Hi1
16:33<Villarroel>What is the best value for the preemption model, when compiling a kernel/
16:33<nikosd123>ftp.gr.debian.org is an official apt mirror, right?
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16:36<kaliaz>villarroel en español q opciones te da pq no las recuerdo
16:36<streuner>!es
16:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:37<nikosd123>I tried downloading with aptitude, iceweasel, firefox, wget and it never is successful. If I try extracting with tar it gives the following error:
16:37<nikosd123>tar: Skipping to next header
16:37<nikosd123>gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error
16:37<nikosd123>gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--length error
16:37<nikosd123>tar: Child returned status 1
16:37<nikosd123>tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
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16:37<kaliaz>is broken
16:37<Hessophanes>nikosd123: The difference is exactly one bit. Don't know how it happened, though.
16:38<kaliaz>try on other mirror
16:39<nikosd123>Propably (??) wrong replication between ftp.gr.debian.org and ftp.debian.org. I installed it from ftp.debian.org but still it is an incovenience which should be corrected. Where should we report. What if there are more broken packages?
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16:43<kaliaz>villaroel
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16:48<markus>Hey guys, I yast installed debian (etch I guess)) on my slug and it forces me to change passwords everytime I login. Any help?
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16:49<huhu>hello
16:49<markus>Hi.
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16:50<huhu>annybody know polish channel of debian?
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16:51<huhu>?
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16:51<huhu>annybody know polish channel of debian?
16:52<markus>Nope, sorry ;)
16:52<huhu>ok
16:52<Hessophanes>!pl
16:52<dpkg>polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
16:52<huhu>ooou fenx
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17:21<mordy>anyone know how to enable root login on nxserver?
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17:23<kriebel>where can I get a Xen dom0 kernel for Lenny?
17:23<kriebel>or how can I make one?
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17:36<Mirko>hallo
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17:38<mordy>anyone know how to enable root login on nxserver?
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17:45<unkie>Hello dear debian community. I'm very new to linux and a mate of mine told me to use debian. My first problem is to choose the correct install cd. I'm plaing to use debian on an old notebook with 600MHz, 64MB Ram and 10GB HDD. So I think xfce would be a good interface. Do i have to download _all_ 21CD or is the one featuring xfce enough?
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17:46<Gathond>unkie: if it is on the internet, download the 150 MB netinstall CD
17:46<bighornram>does anyone have a solution to the rhythmbox crashing when IPOD classic USB cable is plugged in/
17:46<unkie>sadly it has no internet connection yet.
17:46<Gathond>unkie: then from there install ONLY the base system (uncheck everything when you get to it asking the tasks)
17:46<Gathond>unkie: cd 1 then
17:47<mordy>i just installed debian - hehe, complex thing
17:47<unkie>ok i will thanks Gathond
17:47<Gathond>and same procedure, you can install the rest from the terminal once you have the basic system running
17:47<Gathond>you might have to fetch more CD's though, I'm not sure where there is an index over what is on which CD's
17:48<unkie>ok hope i don't have to download all of them ^^
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17:48<mordy>what's a good (and easy to install) terminal server?
17:48<mordy>that's a gui
17:48<mordy>and would let me login as root
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17:54<mordy>i guess what annoys me more is that i was able to logon as root about an hour ago - i rebooted - and now i don't know what changed or went wrong :(
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17:57<dondelelcaro>mordy: you don't need a terminal server; just open up xterm or chvt to tty1, and su to root or log in as root.
17:58<mordy>i'm confused - i'm new to linux
17:58*cdlu has been using it for a dozen years and is still confused
17:58<mordy>lol
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17:59<dondelelcaro>If you're confused, ask more questions
17:59<mordy>hehe, i like this. i want to be able to logon to my linux desktop (similar to RDC) from a windows computer
18:00<dondelelcaro>mordy: so ssh to the linux computer as your user, then su or sudo to root.
18:00<mordy>and yes, i want the GUI, since i'm new to this - and yes i'm aware that once i get serious with linux i'll drop the gui
18:00<abrotman>RDP ?
18:00<mordy>P
18:01<mordy>yes
18:01<mordy>oops
18:01<abrotman>you're on etch?
18:01<mordy>yes
18:01<dondelelcaro>mordy: then use X11 over ssh or tightvncserver, or similar.
18:01<mordy>VNC is too sluggish
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18:02<abrotman>xrdp wasn't part of etch
18:02<mordy>well, i don't necessarily wish to use the RDP protocol - well, i would - but i don't know how much work that would be
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18:03<mordy>i installed nxserver a few hours ago and managed to login from root - i had to change a few settings in the config file. but now i can't do it - i don't know what happened, i don't even know where to find the logs
18:04<abrotman>NX isn't in debian .. AFAIK .. tightvncserver is the way to go
18:04<mordy>*that's* what's really bothering me now
18:04<mordy>would tightvnc server work better than the vnc server already within debian (or is that what's already in debian :-/
18:04<mordy>:-?
18:05<abrotman>tightvncserver is packaged in etch
18:05<mordy>since i'm using the tightvnc client - it's ok, but rather sluggish
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18:07<mordy>it does the job. but i was fascinated by the performance of nxserver
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18:07<mordy>it's even better than RDP
18:09<mordy>any suggestions why it stopped working for me?
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18:13<mordy>disconnected
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19:53<tj_>why wont frostwire load?
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19:56<tj_>is anyone there
19:56<tj_>hello
19:57<tj_>hi
19:57<tj_>f u then
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19:58<abrotman>cute
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20:00<odla>he he
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20:01<odla>frostwire is off-topic anyways isn't it?
20:02<amphi>dunno, what is it? ;)
20:03<odla>it looks like napster
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20:09<rrm>hello
20:09<RAS>Hola,
20:10<RAS>hay alguien que me pueda dar una mano
20:10<qq_>salut rrm
20:10<qq_>!es
20:10<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:10<RAS>ok
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20:14<ubuntu>identify scott
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20:14<odla_>bye scott
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20:15<RAS>Hola!
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20:15<odla_>!es
20:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:15<odla_>RAS: hi
20:16<RAS>speak spanish
20:16<spezticle>when editing /etc/fstab, how do you assign a drive as fat32?
20:17<rrm>salut qq
20:17<qq_>with vfat
20:17<gsimmons>!vfatrw
20:17<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
20:17<odla_>RAS: this support channel is in english for spanish try #debian-es
20:17<RAS>ok! chuss
20:18<qq_>rrm ;)
20:18<spezticle>!ntfsrw
20:18<dpkg>If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs
20:19<rrm>qq_ whats happening...
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20:19<qq_>rrm: all is ok here
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20:20<josh_>when i open screenlets i get this:http://pastebin.com/m1fa9c65e
20:21<qq_>josh_: etch ?
20:21<josh_>sorry lenny
20:21<odla_>josh_: you're running compiz?
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20:23<josh_>yep
20:23<gsimmons>josh_: The missing /etc/screenlets/prefix file is fixed in bug #488953.
20:23<josh_>okay
20:23<josh_>ill try that
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20:30<josh_>when i type there is a delay and my house delays and skips to there arent' any processes taking all the resources
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20:32<bighornram>anyone have a solution to the rhythmbox crashing when ipod classic is plugged into the usb port? Great to know bill gatez must now work at apple!
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20:33<odla__>bighornram: have you thought about putting rockbox on your ipod?
20:33<bighornram>yea but I don't think i can, rockbox site says no ipod classic
20:33<odla__>that's too bad
20:34<odla__>i have rockbox on mine and it works great
20:34<bighornram>tell me about it $350 bux and i'm hearing i can't use linux to put music on the unit. bs
20:34<bighornram>that is just wrong!
20:35<odla__>have you tried gtkpod or banshee?
20:36<odla__>or amarok for that matter
20:36<bighornram>yea
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20:37<odla__>nothing works?
20:37<bighornram>no the files go on but menu says no music
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20:38<odla__>http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/496-iPod-Classic-Will-Be-Supported.html
20:38<odla__>sounds like it should work on amarok
20:39<abrotman>rhythmbox ?
20:39<bighornram>I'm on that page right now. rhythmbox crashes when you plugin the ipod. i submitted the bug report and got a reply that it is fixed in the new version. I installed from sid and still won't work
20:40<bighornram>along with libgpod3
20:40<bighornram>all from sid but still no go
20:40<bighornram>will try amarok
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20:45<Terrizzle>?
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21:22<Golfgeo>Hi all
21:22<newsense>hi
21:23<Golfgeo>Is the flashplayer-mozilla slow (cpu-intensice) when running flash video's or is it just me?
21:23<gawz>mount -t smbfs -o username=root,password=xxxxxx,rw //merlin2/server1_mysql_daily_backup
21:23<Golfgeo>*intesive
21:23<gawz>does that look right?
21:24<gawz>or should it be smbfs first then mount/
21:24<gawz>cause i get a hel advise for mount????
21:24<Golfgeo>gawz: Where are you going to mount it and I use the -o thing at the ned of the line...
21:25<amphi>Golfgeo: last time I used it (which was not so recently), it was cpu intensive
21:25<gawz>mounting samba share to debian
21:25<Golfgeo>No, at what dir are you going to mount the share?
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21:25<gawz>what mounting a samba share? or just the one time mount process?
21:26<Golfgeo>So I guess it would have to be: mount -t smbfs /somedir //merlin2/server1_mysql_daily_backup -o username=root,password=xxxxxx,rw
21:26<gawz>oh yeah i forgot that part. gimmie a few secs to try it
21:26<Golfgeo>Oh yea, the ip=someip is also handy in the options
21:28<gawz>Could not resolve mount point /mnt/merlin2
21:28<gawz>i added the mnt/merlin2 at the end and got this
21:28<gawz>that
21:28<Starkonovich>starv23
21:28<gawz>does that mean i need to creat the merlin2 mount on debian first?
21:29<Golfgeo>Your question doesn't make sense mate
21:29<amphi>gawz: yes; you need to mkdir the mount point
21:29<amphi>if that's what you mean ;)
21:29<gawz>yes
21:29<gawz>trying.....
21:30<Golfgeo>Then sway /somedir and //marline..
21:30<Golfgeo>*swap
21:31<Golfgeo>so: mount -t smbfs //merline... /somedir
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21:31<gawz>thats confusing
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21:31<Golfgeo>I believe the sintax is: what to mount where...
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21:31<gawz>which goes first? debian directory or the samba share?
21:31<Golfgeo>The samba share...
21:32<gawz>10-4
21:32<synzz>does wget handle downloading DVD ISO images ok?
21:32<Golfgeo>So : mount -t smbfs //merlin2/server1_mysql_daily_backup /somedir -o username=root,password=xxxxxx,rw
21:32<MegaIRC>never had any issues with wget before
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21:32<Golfgeo>synzz: That depends... :-PO
21:32<Golfgeo>* :-P
21:32<synzz>golfgeo: on what?
21:32<Golfgeo>I did once with wget...
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21:33<Golfgeo>Mem size limit
21:33<synzz>hmm
21:33<amphi>synzz: it starts behaving strangely over ~2GB?
21:33<Golfgeo>But normaly it should be oke
21:33<synzz>amphi: well, I have not tried yet but I'm gonna be stopping by my colo provider to download a few linux DVD ISOs and want to make sure they're not corrupted
21:33<Golfgeo>32 bit vs 64 bit adresses for memory allocation thing
21:33<gawz>after i mkdir merlin2 i get....Could not resolve mount point /mnt/merlin2
21:34<synzz>how about over standard FTP protocol?
21:34<amphi>synzz: curl deals with such files without problems
21:34<gawz>when i then mount merlin2.. i get..not found in fstab
21:34<synzz>hmm, wonder if I have that
21:34<Golfgeo>gawz: use the ip=someip option in the options
21:34<amphi>synzz: I haven't used wget on such large files since I had a 64bit machine
21:34<synzz>amphi: that a command line tool?
21:35<amphi>curl? yeah
21:35<amphi>!info curl
21:35<hater>i don't think it's installed by default
21:35<dpkg>curl: (Get a file from an HTTP, HTTPS or FTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 7.18.2-6 (sid), Packaged size: 202 kB, Installed size: 276 kB
21:35<Golfgeo>gawz: got it working now?
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21:36<gawz>i think so...no error
21:36<gawz>will try to copy now and test....
21:36<RIVE>Hi, good evening.
21:37<synzz>nifty, I'll give it a shot
21:37<synzz>thanks
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21:38<Golfgeo>gawz: Never create a share that needs you too use the root user and password! Never, never, never ever do it that way... Always use user accounts even when the dir that samba uses has only root access. Force-user and such thing solve that....
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21:39<Golfgeo>gawz: o go back to your samba.conf and fix that...
21:39<Golfgeo>*o = So
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21:40<RIVE>Golfgeo, thanks for the advice.
21:41<Golfgeo>RIVE: ?
21:41<RIVE>The advice for samba shares.
21:41<Golfgeo>ah, ic
21:41<Golfgeo>yw mate
21:43<Laeborg>anyone who can help me with driver to my printer (Canon PIXMA iP5300) ?
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21:47<josh_>how do i restart the debian bluetooth service, i have a usb bluetooth adapter
21:48<gawz>mysqldump -u root -p -h localhost database_main > \\\\Merlin2\\server1_daily_backup\\msqldump07-11-08
21:48<gawz>created a file on root directory ...nothing on samba share
21:48<Golfgeo>Dhu
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21:49<Golfgeo>gawz: You need to mount the share localy and then punp the output to that dir where you mounted the remote share... So dump it to /somedir
21:51<gawz>//merlin2/server1_mysql_daily_backup on /merlin2 type smbfs (rw)
21:52<gawz>this is after mount command. shows drive mounted no?
21:52<Golfgeo>gawz do on the command line: df -h
21:52<abrotman>'mount' should show it
21:52<Golfgeo>If you mounted the share correctly it will show with that command
21:53<gawz>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
21:53<gawz> 291G 4.3G 272G 2% /
21:53<gawz>tmpfs 507M 0 507M 0% /lib/init/rw
21:53<gawz>udev 10M 52K 10M 1% /dev
21:53<Golfgeo>abrotman: df -h is a bit more easy for gawz
21:53-!-gawz was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
21:53<abrotman>why?
21:53<Golfgeo>He's let's say "new"
21:53<abrotman>they'll both show it
21:53<abrotman>so?
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21:54<gawz>and im back
21:54<abrotman>!paste
21:54<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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21:54<Golfgeo>He doesn't understand the fileaccess and tree stuff and the distinction between local and remote stuff
21:54<gawz>just confused is all
21:54<Golfgeo>gawz: Sorry mate, you need to reed up on Debian and I sugest the Debian Manual for that.
21:55<Golfgeo>I don't have the time for it right now... If anyone else would like to help?
21:55<gawz>//merlin2/server1_mysql_daily_backup
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22:04<FoxM>Hi. How can I change the I/O speed of my USB stick? I use Debian Lenny AMD64 in two different machines and in one of them, it writes/read at full speed (usb 1.1), but on the other, it writes/read at high speed (usb 2.0). In both machines, the device is registered as a USB 2.0 device, and the Sync option in KDE is disabled.
22:05<Golfgeo|bbl>FoxM: Are teh kernel versions the same?
22:06<FoxM>yes. Debian Lenny 2.6.24-7-amd64
22:07<Golfgeo|bbl>FoxM: That's mighty wierd mate.
22:07<FoxM>Golfgeo|bbl: sorry 2.6.24-1-amd64
22:07<Golfgeo|bbl>Might be the usb-controllers are different then...
22:07<Golfgeo|bbl>FoxM: But the same on both machines, right?
22:08<FoxM>Golfgeo|bbl: How do I check that info about the controllers?
22:08<FoxM>Golfgeo|bbl: Yes... both machines run the same kernel.
22:09<Golfgeo|bbl>lspci is where I would start, but it also might be that there is some sort of hub between the port where you plug the stick in and the usb-controller on the slow machine (Try a backport on that machine (fysical port at the back of the machine))
22:10<gawz>Golfgeo: I finally got the files to show on samba server. They are also copied in debian directory i mounted. this is normal right?
22:10<Golfgeo|bbl>lspci is a commandline tool
22:10<Golfgeo|bbl>gawz: If you do unmount /somedir and they seem to have vanished, then yes :-)
22:11<FoxM>Golfgeo|bbl: There is indeed a HUB... the one on my LCD display. I will try to plug the stick directly to the board and see what happens...
22:11<Golfgeo|bbl>gawz: But you still need to learn more about Debian filesystems and Samba...
22:11<gawz>Golfgeo: thanks for everything..
22:11<Golfgeo|bbl>gawz: yw mate
22:11<gawz>oh yeah, im gonna.
22:11<Golfgeo|bbl>good :-)
22:12<Golfgeo|bbl>FoxM: That hub-thiny should be your "problem" then ;-)
22:12<josh_>my deklet widgit shows up on the taskbar, it's not supposed to
22:13<Golfgeo|bbl>josh_: at startup?
22:13<josh_>well i just installed desklet and started this applet
22:13*Golfgeo|bbl internal dialog is telling him to get a life and soon!
22:13<Golfgeo|bbl>josh_: Ever wondered if it is supposed to do that?
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22:14<josh_>?
22:14*Golfgeo|bbl is bbl
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22:15<Golfgeo|bbl>or:
22:15*Golfgeo|bbl is going to bbl
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22:19<FoxM>Golfgeo|bbl: I am back. Well... unfortunately, speed is the same even when I plug the USB stick directly to the mainboard slots. And the mainboard is not a bad one, it's an intel 945GNT, so I suppose that the USB controller is actually a 'high speed' one, and not a 'full speed', labeled as high speed
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22:43<newneo>hi
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22:43<josh>is there another widget manager other then screenlets and desklets
22:43<amphi>how tautological
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22:47<qq_>Guest200: apt-cache search desklets
22:49<Guest200>other than screenlets and desklets
22:49<qq_> apt-cache search widget
22:53<Guest200>thanks man
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22:56<qq_>xaw3dg wx2.6* wx2.8* wx-common tk-tile qtcurve libzvt2 libxbae4 libwxgtk2.6(8) libvte9 libvdkxdb2-2c2 libview2-0
22:56<qq_>np
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23:12<Guest200>i just install google gadget widgets, how do i find out what the command is to start it
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23:39<xplicit>help with audio issue; debian etch; laptop dell latitude 110L; no audio
23:40<xplicit>i want to say the driver i need is intel pro 2200, i've got it ready to go but no idea the steps to install it as i am a *nix noob
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23:41<qq_>apt-get install alsa-base alsa-tools alsa-utils
23:42<qq_>and than , do a > alsaconfig
23:42<qq_>xplicit: ^^^^
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23:45<xplicit>let me rephrase now that i said that, the second one was the issue with my wireless.
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23:47<qq_>ok , the answer was for audio / sound
23:47<xplicit>sound is now working thanks!! =)
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23:47<qq_>np
23:47<digerati>I need some help getting my wireless network configured. I've got iwlist wlan0 scan to show my router, but I can't get a ping to go through.
23:48<xplicit>any tips with the wireless driver issue? I found out that debian does not come with a driver for most dell and hp intel-pro wireless drivers. I found the one i need from dell and the linux version of it. However with the 100 steps it tells you do to i have no idea
23:48<xplicit>digerati what kind of system do you have?
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23:49<xplicit>hp/dell, laptop/desktop, wireless card?
23:49<digerati>I'm trying to get the wireless set up on an old toshiba laptop. Right now it is debian etch with no desktop environment.
23:49<amphi>xplicit: what wireless card?
23:49<digerati>The driver is in ndiswrapper.
23:49<digerati>Belkin Wireless G model F5D7010v7
23:49<digerati>using the net8185 driver
23:49<xplicit>might need to do what im doing, i would google to make sure there is a pre-packaged driver. However i am in no way good with linux
23:50<xplicit>amphi im not sure tbh its been a while, i know its integrated and the driver that came with it was a intel-pro 2200
23:50<amphi>xplicit: lspci | grep -i wireless would tell you
23:51<digerati>the driver seems to be working since the card's lights come on, and i can get an iwlist that shows the 3 networks i know to be around my place
23:51<xplicit>broadcom BCM4306
23:52<amphi>does iwconfig show the card is associated?
23:52<FoxM>!bcm43xx
23:52<dpkg>bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images.
23:53<digerati>iwconfig shows the correct essid, frequency, and access point
23:53<xplicit>so i need to figure out what kernel im running, and possibly downgrade?
23:53<qq_>xplicit: etch ?
23:54<xplicit>yes
23:54<qq_>--->>> lenny
23:54<qq_>go to ...
23:54<qq_>or newer
23:55<FoxM>!etch->lenny
23:55<xplicit>can i upgrade to lenny with out having to make a new image?
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23:55<qq_>yes ,
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23:55<FoxM>bah... didn't work :P
23:55<FoxM>rumour has it, etch->lenny is First, see <apt-listbugs> and lenny release notes. Edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, `aptitude update` and `aptitude dist-upgrade`. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening.
23:55<xplicit>sorry for the newbie questions but i appriciate you guys alot! =)
23:55<digerati>upgrading to lenny is easy. edit sources.lst and change etch to lenny
23:56<qq_>+ apt-get update
23:56<xplicit>gotchya thank you guys so much for all the help, as after spending hours trying to figure it out myself i am a fail =p
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23:57<qq_>+ apt-get dist-upgrade
23:57<qq_>xplicit: ^^^^^
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23:58<xplicit>kk
23:58<Tsuki>Okay, I may be an idiot but I'm having a REALLY hard time installing Debian from Low Memory mode
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23:58<Tsuki>I get to the point where it asks me for the CD and I pop that in and now I've got a blank cursor staring at me
23:58<digerati>I think maybe its a problem with my dhcp. Can I use ifconfig to renew the dhcp?
23:59<digerati>tsuki:what hardware are you on?
23:59<digerati>tsuki: it shouldn't ask you for the CD i don't think. That should be in and you should be booting to the CD.
23:59<Tsuki>Uh, it's usng a Pentium 166mhz chip
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