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00:00<mes>xplicit: exactly
00:00<Tsuki>Okay, WHY is it telling me START is not a valid command?
00:00<amphi>xplicit: yes, like that ;)
00:00<Tsuki>I'm logged in as ROOT ATM
00:01<Tsuki>Trying to start apachectl
00:01<amphi>START is not a well known unix command
00:01<Tsuki>i'm using lower case
00:02-!-mode/#debian [+l 335] by debhelper
00:02<Tsuki>So 'start apachectl' and 'apachectl start' aren't working and it's telling me 'start' is not a valid command. It worked last night?
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00:06<Tsuki>Oy. Now to track down my httpd.conf file to configure the bloody thing
00:07<mes>can anyone recommend a better way to view web pages without links/lynx or another text browser on a text-based system?
00:07<mes>(i get the pages through wget)
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00:07<mes>and view them through less, currently
00:07<snogglethorpe>mes: you can use the url package in emacs to fetch raw pages
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00:08<mes>and if i don't have emacs?
00:08<snogglethorpe>mes: you suck
00:08<mes>and am building other software at the moment
00:08<snogglethorpe>er, :-)
00:08<mes>it's a personal choice that i don't use emacs :p
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00:08<amphi>mes: you could do "wget -O- | w3m", but why would you?
00:08<snogglethorpe>mes: but seriously, links/links and wget seem like they cover the ground pretty well
00:09<mes>i'm on gentoo emerging links
00:09<mes>and a few other packages
00:09<chealer>Tsuki: was that a question?
00:09<mes>thanks, amphi
00:09<snogglethorpe>mes: there are alternative interfaces like w3m of course, but they're mostly like links/lynx
00:09<amphi>mes: if you want plain text versions, you could do 'w3m -dump <url> > file'
00:09<mes>dangit... it's not installed v.v
00:09<Tsuki>Maybe. I've tried all the things I can think of to find a file
00:09<mes>find / -name httpd.conf
00:09<snogglethorpe>mes: wait you're on gentoo?
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00:10<Tsuki>Right. I guess maybe I shoulda tried help find, but it acted like find wasn't a valid command
00:10<mes>i was asking here because the gentoo channel is dead and was more curious about generic GNU utils.
00:11<snogglethorpe>i was wonderin
00:12<mes>yeah, i'm just doing some initial packages installations and am wanting to read while i wait for portage
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00:13<Tsuki>Crap. How do I get out of vi?
00:13<mes>:q to quit and :wq to write and quit
00:13<mes>(type the colon)
00:13<Tsuki>It's been too long since I did text based editors. o.O
00:13<mes>Tsuki: vi is tricky to learn, but i love it since i figured it out
00:14<snogglethorpe>Tsuki: killall vim
00:14<mes>snogglethorpe: not if he wants to save his work :p
00:14<Tsuki>Now, here's an oddball. I found the httpd.conf file, but when I open it it is blank. Shouldn't it have SOMETHING?
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00:14<mes>not necessarily. sometimes it's used to override default values found in another file
00:14<Tsuki>She, actually.
00:15<mes>like the rc.local or rc.conf files
00:15<Tsuki>Okay. Hrm.
00:15<Kebab>Hi ;) How do I stop xserver to install nvidia driver
00:15<mes>Tsuki: sorry, my mistake, was just generalizing
00:15<snogglethorpe>mes: Ok, :w, then killall vim
00:15<Tsuki>It's cool. I'm used to getting called sir. My hair is rather short. :P
00:16<Tsuki>I was expecting something more like this:
00:16<mes>Kebab: ctrl+alt+backspace or alt+ctrl+F1 to reach a terminal
00:17<Kebab>thanks mes :)
00:17<mes>no problem
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00:18<qq> alt+ctrl+F7 to ... late
00:18<mes>qq, he/she should be able to figure it out :/
00:18<Tsuki>There is a part of me that is wondering if I'm getting myself in over my head. >.<
00:19<mes>Tsuki: never hearts to learn something new. we do that by taking on tasks that seem impossible at first
00:19<mes>or something like that
00:19<Tsuki>this FEELS impossible but I know others have done it before me, so obvious it isn't but I'm really confused and hungry now.
00:19<Tsuki>I should make some oatmeal
00:19<mes>Tsuki: food is a good distraction... go for it
00:20<amphi>mes: nothing should ever be done for the first time
00:21<snogglethorpe>otoh, food often makes one sleep and complacent
00:21<mes>amphi: explain
00:21<amphi>snogglethorpe: isn't that much of the point? ;)
00:21<amphi>mes: a joke
00:21<snogglethorpe>amphi: after eating, one is vulnerable to sudden attack
00:21<mes>:/ it's a bit late for me
00:22<amphi>snogglethorpe: miraculously, I have so far escaped
00:22<snogglethorpe>amphi: one must be wary
00:22<mes>no velociraptors here, either :D
00:22<newsense>i aint scared
00:22*newsense eats a burrito
00:23<snogglethorpe><...bushes rustle...>
00:23<mes>>.> <.< >.< o.o NOOOOO
00:23*newsense gets hit with a sack full of penies from behind while eating a burrito
00:24<snogglethorpe>ugh time for me to hie off to the onigiri store
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00:31<qq>Tsuki: my daughter (13 yo) begin yesterday her first apache+php+mysql ..i do fight to, to stop her doing that, so now i take a lesson from next time ...
00:31<Tsuki>I'm 23, but I started learning HTML when I was 13
00:32<qq>she know HTML yet
00:32<mes>learning How To Meet Ladies?
00:32<qq>no, how to aide
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00:38<mes>dpkg manageable
00:38<dpkg>mes: are you smoking crack?
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00:38<Tsuki>Damn, gotta get me some oatmeal
00:48<Tsuki>yay, oatmeal. With raisins and walnuts
00:49<Tsuki>I think I should take a break and play some WoW
00:49<mes>see, that's the kind of talk that will make it so you never go back to php
00:50<mes>firs food, then WoW, what next? sleep?
00:50<Tsuki>I just don't know where to go from here and the documents are confusing more than helping me set it up
00:50<Tsuki>Well, I have work in the morning, so yes, sleep
00:50<mes>heh, sounds reasonable
00:50<Tsuki>It's nearly midnight and knowing me I won't get to sleep for two hours after I lay down
00:50<dread>Go WoW
00:53<Tsuki>I've been on WoW talking to my Guildees on my laptop EVE about my fun with Debian and getting this server up. :P
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00:54<Tsuki>I'm only lvl 23 on the game but already have 40g. Yay. I've had more but bought skills and gear. :P
00:57<snogglethorpe>qq: isn't php likely to get child protective services on your case?
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01:00<Laeborg>i have used php+mysql the last 3 years :o
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01:08<xplicit>whoa what did i miss? child protective services over php? haha wth
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01:09<snogglethorpe><cue clip of sizzling frying pan>
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01:14<xplicit>i love how many people just idle in here for days upon days
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01:15<Tsuki>What's wrong with that?
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01:16<xplicit>that in the past 3 days i've been in here i've seen at most 12 differnt people actually talk
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01:17<xplicit>w00t i've just found out i have shouts to me in 2600! I must be cool </offtopic>
01:17<xplicit>unfortunitly the shout referes to my real name =/
01:18<xplicit>2600 magazine
01:18<xplicit>my buddy got an article in there and gave a shout out to me
01:18<Tsuki>Ah. No idea what ot's about
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01:18<snogglethorpe>xplicit: the men in blue suits are no doubt walking up your front path at this moment
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01:19<xplicit>2600 is a quarterly hacker magazine. It has articles refering to hacking
01:19<xplicit>snogglethorpe: to bad im not home =p nor on my real ip
01:19<xplicit>proxie and chain proxies ftw
01:19<Tsuki>I should learn how to hack. just for the hell of it
01:20<xplicit>good start there
01:20<Tsuki>First, I must master PHP and mySqL though
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01:20<Tsuki>*ggigles* Wow
01:20<xplicit>first you must master c, c#, c++, asm, perl, python, php, ruby
01:21<xplicit>only then will you be the mooninite master!
01:21<snogglethorpe>Tsuki: you can never really master anything though; there's a lot to be said for doing everything in parallel
01:21<xplicit>in technology it evolves so fast you can never master it
01:21<Tsuki>How about... become competant with?
01:21<xplicit>that's like mastering the universe
01:22<xplicit>oh also Tsuki check out
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01:23<snogglethorpe>(it's like people who say "we should solve social problem x, y, and z before spending any money on less-critical-project-q"... it's just not the way things work in the real world)
01:23<fxiny>s/c#/lisp :)
01:23<xplicit>read the books "The art of deception" , "hacking exposed" <- series
01:23<snogglethorpe>fxiny: ack
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01:24<xplicit>hacking the art of exploitation is a good one to
01:24<snogglethorpe>fxiny: i have suspicions that C# does not, in fact, have a finite number of keywords...
01:24<xplicit>not that i know anything about the stuff <.< >.>
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01:25<fxiny>snogglethorpe: can't find anything to s/ruby with :)
01:25<Tsuki>I'm scared. What have I gotten myself into?
01:25<snogglethorpe>fxiny: lua
01:26<xplicit>A good learning experience
01:26<xplicit>if you're along for the ride hold tight and listen close
01:26<fxiny>snogglethorpe: right , and xmonad/haskell ?
01:26<xplicit>you're in for long nights of reading and not understanding, then reading some more, then asking question on irc/forums, then reading some more, then scripting and coding
01:26<snogglethorpe>fxiny: out with python
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01:27<snogglethorpe>fxiny: haskell should satisfy the significant whitespace cravings
01:27<xplicit>lol i think snogglethorpe and fxiny are trying to make a new bash quote
01:27<Tsuki>Again, I'm scared and am not sure I know what exactly I've just signed up for. Eru have mercy. o.O
01:28<snogglethorpe>Tsuki: make sure you give a fake address
01:28<xplicit>and change your phone number often wouldnt want to get swatted after docs get dropped
01:29<xplicit>!ping Tsuki
01:29*dpkg tolls a 5-meter-bell over Tsuki's head
01:29<Tsuki>Are you joking?
01:29<snogglethorpe>Tsuki: btw if you're doing wow, you should definitely be putting Lua on your list...
01:29<Tsuki>I can't tell if you're joking. o.O
01:29<snogglethorpe>dpkg can't _actually_ hold a 5-meter bell that high
01:29<dpkg>snogglethorpe: I don't know, could you explain it?
01:30<snogglethorpe>dpkg: i'm afraid i can't hold a 5-meter bell that high either
01:30<dpkg>snogglethorpe: I give up, what is it?
01:30<snogglethorpe>dpkg: mostly a dully thud, really
01:30<dpkg>snogglethorpe: i don't know
01:31<xplicit>lol snogglethorpe is the bored right now
01:31<snogglethorpe>xplicit: teh bored
01:31<xplicit>it auto corrected =/
01:32<xplicit>dammit did it again!
01:32<xplicit>damn you xchat damn you!
01:32<fxiny>snogglethorpe: learning ion/lua and xmonad/haskell could be handy , if tiling windows managers will , as i wish, kick gnome and kde out
01:32<xplicit>flux ftw!
01:32<snogglethorpe>fxiny: the problem is that too many apps simply freak out when asked to resize too liberally
01:32<snogglethorpe>fxiny: i'd like a sort of "semi-tiled" wm like the old andrew wm
01:33<xplicit>i like the late night chat not doing much with debian
01:33<snogglethorpe>at least it's vaguely about software...
01:34<fxiny>xplicit: i run flux but, hmmm , after one day with say wmii flux looks like windows , try and see
01:34<xplicit>not that familar with nix i can just talk the talk not walk the walk
01:35<fxiny>snogglethorpe: i'm convinced tiling windows managers are the future
01:35<dpkg>Window Manager Improved 2: a lightweight window manager for X, which attempts to combine the best ideas of tiling and tabbing window managers like larswm, ratpoison, or ion with the flexibility of the Acme programming enviroment of the plan9 operating system
01:36<snogglethorpe>fxiny: the problem is that there seems to be too much conflation of other concepts with it
01:36<xplicit>ahh nice, i like the default flux set up knoppix std came with
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01:38<xplicit>why is it when im in a differnt state my friends expect me to make drug deals for them?
01:38<snogglethorpe>!#@$% C-alt-bs!!!
01:38<xplicit>does that even work in nix?
01:38<simonrvn>only in kde
01:39<xplicit>nvm it does
01:39<xplicit>im in gnome and it worked
01:39<simonrvn>orly, ok
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01:40<snogglethorpe>what's alt-f4 supposed to do?
01:40<xplicit>try it out
01:40<snogglethorpe>I tried it and it tried to exit emacs
01:40<xplicit>lol there you go
01:40<xplicit>it closes the current window you're on
01:40<xplicit>or game, or anything for that matter
01:40<simonrvn>must be some windowsism they brought in...
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01:41<xplicit>that's the classic thing to do in irc or if you're gaming. If someone is anoyying tell them to alt+f4 and watch them drop
01:41<xplicit>that's assumeing they are that stupid
01:42<snogglethorpe>xplicit: luckily it asks politely before exiting...
01:42<xplicit>not saying you're stupid or i wanted you to drop, but it would have been funny
01:42<Tsuki>Heh. I did that once without thinking. Alt-F1-4 in WoW trying something out on the hotkeys
01:43<fxiny>alt+f4 does nothing here and irssi runs in a screen session ;)
01:43<snogglethorpe>xplicit: well my X server has died 57 times though my own clumsiness so it'd be almost pleasant if only the app died .... :-(
01:43<xplicit>or another classic is telling people in irc to type /quit then follow it by the users name you wanted to drop.
01:44<snogglethorpe>what always freaks me out si the key combo that hides all windows -- when I hit it by accident, for a second I always think my session got trashed
01:44<xplicit>if i knew you were on a emac working on something i wouldnt have done that, now if you dropped from irc i would have lol'ed
01:45<snogglethorpe>xplicit: er, emacs
01:45<snogglethorpe>xplicit: but there's almost always an unsaved buffer or running process or something that makes it ask before exiting anyway
01:46<snogglethorpe>and then you can abort the exit
01:46<xplicit>true enough but that's not always the case
01:46<xplicit>especially if that person is running windows
01:47<xplicit>well next time someone says dude push alt+f4 it's awesome you can give them an e-bitch slap
01:47<Tsuki>I'm going to try and get some sleep I guess. Long work day tomorrow
01:47<xplicit>long day tomorrow but no work
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01:48<xplicit>i've drank to much caffine to want to sleep
01:48<Tsuki>I wish I was off. WAs supposed ot be but had a cowork ask to shift swap so she could move
01:48<xplicit>i might have fun raging in other irc's that are lame
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01:49<xplicit>yea im jobless atm
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01:49<xplicit>wish i wasnt but eh cant help the economy
01:49<Tsuki>Ew. I want to find a different job. Been working for RadioShack for 2yrs
01:50<xplicit>lol i had a internship but since it ended i havent found shit
01:50<xplicit>then again i worked at a sub shop for 5 years before finding anything deceant
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01:51<snogglethorpe>xplicit: surely anyone on #debian has greater than average skills...
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01:51<xplicit>i would assume so =)
01:51<xplicit>then again i dont put much past people these days
01:52<snogglethorpe>xplicit: I had a lull in employment quite a while back ... I just lived in my mom's house and hacked on free software, and that eventually led to a job
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01:52<xplicit>you hacked on free software? Like warez? or what do you mean reverse engineering it?
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01:52<xplicit>or are you talking security tools
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01:52<snogglethorpe>xplicit: no i just mean hacked as in "worked"
01:53<snogglethorpe>xplicit: the more traditional sense of "hack"
01:53<xplicit>im picking up what you're laying down
01:53<xplicit>you coded free software and that eventually got you good enough to get a job coding?
01:53<snogglethorpe>xplicit: well i just got to know more people doing stuff that way
01:54<snogglethorpe>xplicit: i was already decent enough skill-wise I guess
01:54<snogglethorpe>xplicit: but it's also a very good way to broaden your skill obviously
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01:54<xplicit>that's why im trying to pick up on linux to open more doors and meet new folks
01:54<xplicit>putting yourself out there is key to any job
01:54<snogglethorpe>xplicit: well it works, if you put in the effort
01:54<xplicit>no job will come to you unless your god
01:55<snogglethorpe>and it also gives a very nice thing to say when they ask "so what have you been doing"
01:55<xplicit>though the alcohol doesnt help my cause
01:55<xplicit>nor does trying to get laid nightly
01:55<xplicit>then again im young so i dont mind it =)
01:55<snogglethorpe>er, well, 24 hours, you know
01:55<xplicit>im working towards becomming cisco engineer
01:56<snogglethorpe>no idea what that entails
01:56<xplicit>but as a hobby i learn everything and anything i can with technology and computers, but mostly security
01:56<xplicit>shit man ccie is the most respected certifications you can get
01:56<xplicit>takes people years to get it
01:56<xplicit>however there are baby steps
01:56<xplicit>right now im going for my ccna which is cisco certified network associate
01:56<xplicit>basically enterprise networking
01:57<Hideo>you guys, not to be an ass, but please join #debian-offtopic , you're going way off base here
01:57<EricB>or just offtopic :)
01:57<snogglethorpe>one must have control of the channel at all times, after all
01:57<xplicit>i can do that, however i figured since not much talking was going on it would be alright
01:59<xplicit>snogglethorpe: would you like to join me on #debian-offtopic?
01:59<Hideo>or join #moocows the oftc social channel, I'm almost always in there yet nobody bother ever using it
02:00<eljefe>can anyone tell me how to get firefire working on Lenny, so that kino can read /dev/raw1394 ? /dev/raw1394 doesn't exist but the package is installed...
02:00<Hideo>firewire you mean
02:00<snogglethorpe>eljefe: do you have to modprobe it first?
02:00<eljefe>i've tried, it failes
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02:01<eljefe>i guess jojo is thaking raw1394's place?
02:01<Hideo>lspci -v
02:01<eljefe>"FATAL: Module not found" or so
02:01<Hideo>what were your syntax?
02:02<eljefe>sudo modprobe /dev/raw1394
02:02<eljefe>which has worked in the past
02:02<snogglethorpe>eljefe: eh?
02:03<Hideo>it shouldn't have ever work at all if you did that way
02:03<Hideo>try modprobe firewire-ohci
02:03<eljefe>ok that worked :)
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02:04<snogglethorpe><does seem to be a "raw1394" module here tho>
02:04<fxiny>snogglethorpe: hey : me and zplicit are waiting for you in offtopic : debian+free-software-hacks==jobs could be interesting:)
02:04<Hideo>eljefe: the device should be in /dev/fw0
02:05<eljefe>kino still reads, "the raw1394 module must be loaded, and you must have read and write access to /dev/raw1394
02:05<Hideo>eljefe: ^ read above
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02:05<eljefe>Hideo i'm just reporting Kino's issue, should I link them?
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02:06<Hideo>can't you change the device in kino?
02:06<eljefe>modprobe raw1394: FATAL: Module raw1394 not found
02:06<chealer>eljefe: did you check Holger Levsen's blog post 1-155 on ?
02:07<eljefe>am not, thanks
02:07<eljefe>am noW
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02:19<eljefe>his kernel isn't available :( not that i can find anyway, in apt nor synaptic not dist-upgrade nor with a web browser.
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02:24<chealer>ah, yeah, I think you're right. anyway, that was mostly to tell you about the problem. the solution may be to reconfigure your kernel
02:26<Hideo>wait so the new firewire stack doesn't work well or at all?
02:26<Hideo>I have firewire but never had a device to test it with
02:29<eljefe>seems so, current firewire doesn't work with the stock kernel.
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02:30<kingsley>fsck in verbose mode says a certain hard drive "was not cleanly unmounted" and checks it, but reports no specific error, and concludes with "***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *****". Could a shutdown script calling mount be confused by either a missing ext3 journal, or a missing neighboring hard drive?
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02:32<frederic>how can y find a rad for programming under debian
02:32<frederic>or documentation
02:33<kingsley>frederic: google
02:33<snogglethorpe>a rad?
02:33<frederic>yes rapid application development
02:34<frederic>like kylix
02:34<frederic>i can't find it
02:36<snogglethorpe>frederic: this seems to be something: lazarus
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02:55<frederic>are they ide on lazarus
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03:45<patricio>Anyone??? -- I am running debian/lenny and I am trying to install the flash player-----I can provide more info about my setup if someone would please assist me in getting the flash player installed-------
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03:50<dpkg>i heard flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
03:52<patricio>thank you Maulkin
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03:59<fxiny>hmmm segfault ...
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04:20<sheldonh>what's the procedure for nominating a package for inclusion in bpo?
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04:25<cr3>why does it say "Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid tty" when i log in?
04:25<cr3>i didn't add any unstable repos...
04:25<gsimmons>!why lenny/sid
04:25<dpkg>Why "lenny/sid" instead of just "lenny" or "sid"? See /usr/share/doc/base-files/FAQ ("Questions about /etc/issue and /etc/debian_version") for the answer.
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04:30<tycale>I'm come back on Debian :p
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04:30<tycale>sorry for my poor english :$
04:30<nam>What's the fastest repos for debian, pls? I am in VIetnam
04:30<tycale>I've been on Debian then I was on kubuntu and now, i'm back on debian
04:31<cr3>nam, apt-get install apt-spy
04:31<nam>cr3: thanks
04:32<dpkg>[debian mirrors] or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or
04:34<nam>cr3: i am on amd x2 4000+. and etch 32 bit says cpu scaling is not supported. what can i do?
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04:37<matth_>Hi, I got an OOM everyday on my server box since some days, processes invoking oom-killer are changing (imap-login, snort, apache2, mrtg, screen, named) it is roughly every morning around 08:15. I don't know how to point where the problem is. Any idea ?
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04:38<pumpkin0>nam: cpu scaling is the powersaving tech. Do you really need to save power ?
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04:38<Cheatah>matth_: do you have any cron jobs that start around that time of day?
04:39<nam>I open system monitor and it shows one cpu only
04:39<Nemoder>nam: cat /proc/cpuinfo
04:39<matth_>Cheatah: nope, daily begins at 06:25
04:40<nam>debian32:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo
04:40<nam>processor : 0
04:40<nam>vendor_id : AuthenticAMD
04:40<nam>cpu family : 15
04:40<nam>model : 107
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04:40<nam>flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow pni cx16 lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm cr8legacy ts fid vid ttp tm stc [6]
04:41<nam>bogomips : 4223.10
04:41<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
04:42<pumpkin0>nam: do you see a "processor : 1" somewhere inside that file ?
04:42<nam>but this is an AMD athlon 64 x2 and 2 G of ram but sysinfo only reports 1 cpu and 885 M of ram
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04:43<nam>only processor: 0
04:44<gsimmons>nam: At a guess, you're running your system with the -486 stock kernel. Use `uname -r' to verify.
04:45<Nemoder>nam: try the k7 kernel
04:45<pumpkin0>nam: upgrade to 2.6.something-686 and the 2. CPU and the rAM will show up.
04:45<nam>so what should I do now? reinstall? but what iso to download now? I downloaded the intel x86
04:45<Nemoder>nam: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-k7
04:47<pumpkin0>nam: and reboot afterwards.
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04:47<nam>is there a k8 anyway?
04:48<pumpkin0>nam: no, k7 and several others got merged into 686. Its all the same now.
04:48<nam>and I can safely remove the current kernel?
04:48<Nemoder>k7 is still in etch, in lenny and sid they are merged into 686
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04:48<Nemoder>nam: yes but wait until you reboot and the new kernel is working :)
04:50<nam>some friend here advised installing apt-spy but can you show me how to use it.
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04:53<nam>anyone help with broken downloads pls. I can bear with slow downloads but broken.
04:54<Nemoder>apt-get should resume downloads if they stop
04:55<nam>no, after some time it says that the server is down or something.
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04:56<nam>Im in Vietnam and using a us archive.
04:57<Cheatah>well, change to another source then
04:58<nam>the japan archive suffers the same
04:58<Nemoder>nam: does the download start at all?
04:59<nam>all I can do now is sit by the computer and CTR + C to restart the download. TO Nemoder. It does but it stops after sometime.
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05:00<pnm>greetings all
05:00<Nemoder>nam: ah, yes if it stops it will try again after awhile on it's own
05:00<pumpkin0>nam: install and run apt-spy
05:00<nam>PUMPKIN0. i did but just don't know how.
05:00<pumpkin0>nam: apt-spy -d <etch,lenny,... whatever>
05:00<pumpkin0>nam: (as root)
05:01<nam>tx. I'll try
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05:01<pumpkin0>nam: "apt-get -d stable -a Asia" should spped up things a bit.
05:01<nam>wow thanks alot
05:02<pnm>just installed debian stable. Software update prompted me to install the same kernel version as currently running (linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64)
05:02<pnm>anything suspicious about that?
05:03<nam>pumpkin0: now it returns this server which look s promising but how do i add it to the sources. list. SERVER:
05:03<Cheatah>pnm: no, that happens all the time
05:03<Cheatah>nothing to worry about
05:04<pnm>Cheatah: ok, thanks.. out of interest, why does this happen? New selection of modules built into the kernel?
05:04<pumpkin0>nam: the soucres are saved in the file /etc/apt/sources.list. Look at the file, it shouldbe clear how to add stuff. run "apt-get update" afterwards.
05:05<pumpkin0>nam: and remove servers that do not work well.
05:05<Cheatah>im not sure, probably just a new debian revision
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05:05<pnm>ah, ok
05:05<Cheatah>sou technically it's the same kernel
05:06<Cheatah>as it is built from the same source
05:07<nam>tx. pumpkin0
05:09<pumpkin0>nam: is strange. That is in central europe. You should get something faster nearer to you. let the test run for a while, it may find better servers over time.
05:11<sheldonh>pnm: no, never new selection of modules. security and critical bugfixes only
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05:13<pnm>sheldonh: aha - ok, sounds good. Wouldn't those warrant a new kernel version? Or are we just talking about debian extensions to the kernel..
05:13<sheldonh>pnm: typically, not a new kernel version. we're talking about patches that don't change the feature set (except by closing up security holes)
05:14<sheldonh>pnm: if it were a new kernel version, you wouldn't have been prompted "to install the same kernel version as currently running (linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64)" :)
05:16<nam>pumpkin0: It's the fastest out of 10 tested when I stopped the benchmark. BUt I''ll try again. tx
05:18<pnm>sheldonh: thanks - I'd just assumed that the kernel (minor) version would update for critical bugfixes
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05:21<sheldonh>pnm: nope. i don't think 2.6.18 gets updates from mainline at all
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05:23<sheldonh>is it too soon to know whether lenny will ship with 2.6.24 or 2.6.25?
05:25<Digitalgecko>Can a n00b get help with Debian here?
05:25<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: often
05:26<Digitalgecko>I am having a problem with APT
05:26<sheldonh>sorry to hear that
05:26<Digitalgecko>I try to apt-get upgrade and it errors out on me
05:27<nam>are the debian repos's maintainer so poor as to they stop your update and install every 1 0r 2 seconds? the repos's even are worst than those of fedora
05:27<Digitalgecko>nam: was that directed at me?
05:27<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: why upgrade instead of dist-upgrade?
05:28<Digitalgecko>because I did not know about dist-upgrade
05:28<Digitalgecko><-- n00b
05:28<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: how did you find out about upgrade?
05:28<nam>no. sorry. I was so tired of the update. sorry sorry
05:28<Digitalgecko>typed apt-get and it gave me a list of options
05:29<Digitalgecko>let me get a screen
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05:29<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: ah, _that_ kind of newbie. you're going to have a horrible time with Debian if you don't read the documentation intended for newbies
05:29<sheldonh>!rebian reference
05:29<sheldonh>!debian reference
05:29<dpkg>the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at
05:30<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: bookbmark that link. use a pastebin service to show us the error you get from dist-upgrade. be sure to include the actual command you typed
05:30<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
05:32<Digitalgecko>ok, bear with me as I figure this out
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05:33<Tuplad>is it possible to remove Ekiga ? gnome-desktop-environment depends on it but I really dont want it :p
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05:34<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: no worries. if i go afk, be patient and i'm sure someone else will help
05:35<Digitalgecko>here we go
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05:35<Digitalgecko>I get the same error every time I try to use apt get to install anyhting
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05:37<Digitalgecko>I tried to reinstall by using "dpkg -i apt_0.6.46.4-0.1_i386.deb" but I got the same error.
05:37<Digitalgecko>reinstall apt I mean
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05:39<Digitalgecko>!rebian reference
05:39<Digitalgecko>!debian reference
05:39<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at, or . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'aptitude install debian-reference'.
05:42<philsf>this reference link is 404, right?
05:42<philsf> is good
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05:44<stephane>Hi .. is there an issue on AMD64 system + Lenny with the DVD reading ? beacause my libdvdcss is unable to decrypt the DVD althought it coul be decrypt on I32 machine
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05:45<Digitalgecko>my 'aptitude install debian-reference' also fails
05:45<Nemoder>stephane: if you are using debian-multimedia repos then I think there are some broken packages due to name conflicts with lenny
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05:47<Nemoder>I was able to get my players working again by removing all dm packages and then setting up apt-pinning to prefer lenny over dm
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05:48<stephane>yes indeed i use the dm to get the libdvdcss package
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05:49<stephane>should i only install the libdvdcss package from dm ?
05:51<Nemoder>stephane: this is how i setup pinning:
05:53<stephane>ok tnx Nemoder
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05:55<stephane>i will try
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06:06<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: that pastebin comes up empty for me (blank page in my browser)
06:06<stephane>Nemoder .. i'm using aptitude and i would like to know how to desinstall dm package with aptitude .. i would like to be sure to desinstall dm package instead of lenny package
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06:07<munga__>hello. I'm installing debian over a device with two disks. Does the installer supports raid + lvm + encryption ? Or I've to do it manually ?
06:09<sheldonh>munga__: supports it
06:09<mordy^>how do i use an external display on my laptop? at first the display worked, but the picture wasn't clear. after installing the ATI drivers, it worked better, but now it doesn't work at all
06:09<Digitalgecko>will try anotherone
06:10<munga__>sheldonh: just to udnerstand. first I partition the disk, the it will ask me to raid, then lvm, then encryttion... it's an embedded device and I don't have a serial console if I mess it up ...
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06:11<sheldonh>munga__: assuming you don't just use the installer's "Use entire disk with LVM and encryption" offer :)
06:12<Nemoder>stephane: I'm not really sure how to search based on origin of packages, I manually removed each package that I knew was in dm
06:12<munga__>sheldonh: uhmmm I missed that one :)
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06:12<superlinux-2>hi all
06:14<munga__>sheldonh: which version of the installer are you talking about ?
06:14<sheldonh>munga__: the only one i've ever seen
06:14<sheldonh>munga__: looks pretty similar between etch and lenny beta2
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06:16<superlinux-2>any one has a an HP/Compaq ML150?
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06:17<Digitalgecko>not I
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06:18*sheldonh reckons hp are still overpriced
06:18*weasel likes his HPs
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06:20<mordy^>any suggestions?
06:21<superlinux-2>well i ask cos i have a raid rack
06:22<superlinux-2>and i want to be able to boot on the /dev/dptiX and i donno how
06:22<sheldonh>what package do i file lenny installer bugs against?
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06:23<superlinux-2>is't a problem if the disk filesystem is appearing on /dev/.static? not /dev directly?
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06:24<sheldonh>superlinux-2: probably just means it's a lame, poorly maintained driver?
06:24<Digitalgecko>: this one work
06:24<superlinux-2>sheldonh i donno
06:25<superlinux-2>that's making me a problem.. i have a hardware raid running
06:25<superlinux-2>and making me sick
06:25<superlinux-2>and i feel that the disk is slow
06:25<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: looks like you've broken apt-listchanges
06:25<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: well, it's broken, at any rate :)
06:26<Digitalgecko>I tried to reinstall apt but I got the same problem
06:26<superlinux-2>and also .. i leave the box running all the time.. the X gets verry slow to wake up from swapping
06:26<Digitalgecko>how is that possible?
06:26<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: try rm /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db
06:26<superlinux-2>and be in the RAM
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06:27<weasel>superlinux-2: you have what?
06:27<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: dunno. you mentioned using dpkg directly earlier, so it's clear you've been fiddling :)
06:27<superlinux-2>hardware raid
06:27<nam>nam nam1
06:28<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: if removing the db doesn't resolve the issue for you, you could try purging apt-listchanges using dpkg (man dpkg for more)
06:28<weasel>superlinux-2: which kind of raid?
06:28<superlinux-2>hot swap
06:28<weasel>which raid controller?
06:28<superlinux-2>and hp compaq
06:28<Digitalgecko>Sheldonh: It did not work
06:28<weasel>*which* raid controller?
06:28<superlinux-2>dpti one
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06:28<superlinux-2>the mechine is not with me
06:28<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: so you're down to removing apt-listchanges altogether. if that doesn't work, you're stuffed :)
06:28<Digitalgecko>exact same error output
06:29<superlinux-2>sorry if i ask like that
06:29<superlinux-2>but i am asking only on booting from it
06:29<Digitalgecko>so I cant just remove apt and reinstall it?
06:29<superlinux-2>i can boot as raid 0 (concat)
06:29<weasel>raid0 is not concat.
06:29<superlinux-2>but not as mirrored as a one peice device
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06:31<superlinux-2>weasel i meant only that concatintion as disks = one disk
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06:32<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: apt is not your problem. apt-listchanges is your problem. scroll back for my suggestion on how to remove it
06:32<nam>help . etch does not recognise my onboard card. lspci : 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
06:32<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: (i state my opinion too strongly. i _think_ apt-listchanges is your problem) :)
06:32<superlinux-2>weasle oh yeah it's adaptec. sorry
06:33<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: back later, grocery shopping. good luck
06:33<weasel>superlinux-2: yup, found that so far.
06:33<weasel>superlinux-2: what exactly is the problem anyway? the device shows up as /dev/sda, right?
06:34<superlinux-2>i got it from google.. i just forgot.. the box is not beside me.. it's at home and it's like my desktop
06:34<superlinux-2>i got it to show off
06:34<weasel>you have an ML150 as a desktop?
06:34<weasel>that's just stupid.
06:34<Pepper>nam: what does lspci -n says?
06:34<superlinux-2>cheap man..
06:34<superlinux-2>cost me like 500$
06:35<Philemon>how do i access some kind of hardwear list? i'm looking for my ethernet card
06:35<Digitalgecko>Seems apt-listchanges is not the issue.
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06:35<superlinux-2>weasel and lsmod too.. it gives more details what is identified
06:36<pnm>superlinux-2: where did you find it for $500 ? :)
06:36<Digitalgecko>damn, Sheldonh is gone
06:36<weasel>lsmod doesn't tell you about your hardware.
06:36<superlinux-2>seems i am tired
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06:37<superlinux-2>weasel i this ML has 2.8Xeon dual CPU with hyper threading and six bays for scsi disks
06:38<dpkg>Support for the nVidia MCP61 audio controller was included from ALSA 1.0.13. For Etch, either build and install an 'alsa-modules-*' package for your current kernel (ie. "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i alsa && invoke-rc.d alsa reload"), or install an updated kernel from either <> or <etchandahalf>.
06:38<gsimmons>nam: ^^^^^
06:38<weasel>superlinux-2: which ML is it anyway
06:39<weasel>which ml150
06:39<weasel>which generation.
06:39<superlinux-2>1st series
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06:39<superlinux-2>has all pci64 and one pci express
06:39<weasel>ah, so not quite the latest model
06:39<superlinux-2>the green one
06:39<superlinux-2>i know
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06:40<superlinux-2>but i can just sell it maybe in lebanon when i go back from asutralia some day.. u know servers dont loose their prestiege easily
06:40<superlinux-2>unlike desktops
06:42<nam>peper: lspci returns: 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
06:46<Pepper>nam: read comment of gsimmons above
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06:55<nam>thanks Pepper and gsimsons
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06:59<nam>Pepper : It returns the error: the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use. I am runining 2.6*-k7
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07:02<gsimmons>nam: Run "m-a prepare", then continue with the "m-a a-i alsa" command.
07:03<nam>tx. gsimmons
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07:06<nam>gsimmons . Could you help me install cpu scaling software?
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07:10<nam>gsimmons: following yr instructions and I got this : Loading ALSA sound driver modules: none to reload
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07:13<ThePand>can anyone help me through the install process?
07:13<ThePand>im having trouble with the network portion
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07:30<syntech>is gtk 2.17 in lenny?
07:30<weasel> might know
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07:35<superlinux-2>weasel r u there?
07:36<weasel>not until you have learned how to type properly.
07:36<superlinux-2>ah hehe!
07:36*superlinux-2 laughs
07:36<superlinux-2>ok brother
07:36<superlinux-2>no worries
07:37<superlinux-2>google is a good reminder...
07:37<syntech>weasle, i'm not having any luck, is there any packages or do i need to build it myself?
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07:37<superlinux-2>i have this adaptec I2O controller card
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08:02<monfis>ktoś wie jaki jest polski kanał debiana
08:03<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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08:11<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: i've never seen debian behave this way. how did you get here? :)
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08:12<Digitalgecko>It is running on an xbox and the DVD-rom did not like the burned disk
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08:13<Digitalgecko>I did not see any error while it was copying over
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08:13<eddieB>how do i run a .pl file?
08:13<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: while what was copying over from where?
08:13<Digitalgecko>but it was going by much too fast to notice
08:13<Digitalgecko>from a live CD to the HDD
08:13<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: ah. so you've done considerable fiddling :)
08:13<eddieB>i'm trying to run this ""
08:14<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: my guess is, you've installed debs from some version of debian or a debian-derived distro other than what you installed
08:14<Digitalgecko>I personaly have not deleted or installed anything on this system
08:16<syntech>anyone installed gtk2.12 on etch?
08:17<Digitalgecko>seems like it is not an easy fix. Im just going to reinstall
08:17<eddieB>how do i run a .pl file?
08:17<syntech>you can send me your xbox lol
08:17<Digitalgecko>when I get home. I only have SSH access right now
08:17<eddieB>i'm trying to run this ""
08:17<fxiny>syntech: 2.10.14
08:18<syntech>fxiny, how ?
08:18<syntech>can't find much on google :\
08:18<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: sounds like a good idea. plus, you'll wanna find out who did what, and make sure they don't do it again :)
08:18<fxiny>in opt
08:19<Digitalgecko>Debian just installed that way. Nobody has done nothing to the system.
08:20<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: that sounds unlikely to me, because apt-listchanges isn't installed by default
08:20<fxiny>syntech: ask mama google for "etch gtk 2.10 opt"
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08:21<Digitalgecko>The only thing that is similar between all the errors is the ssh error
08:21<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: yes. something's trashed your status file, from the looks of things
08:21<Digitalgecko>what does it do?
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08:22<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: i think it stores information about which packages are and are not installed (/var/lib/dpkg/status)
08:23<Digitalgecko>any wany to rebuild it? Have it scan the system or somthing like that?
08:24<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: but note that, even in the error where it complines about the line with ssh on, there was mention of apt-listchanges. so _someone_ went beyond just a standard system install
08:24<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: i think there's a package called dpkg-rebuild, but how would you install it? :)
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08:25<syntech>fxiny, how do you like gtk so far ?
08:25<Digitalgecko>yha, kinda a catch 22
08:25<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: actually, it's not a package. see
08:25<sheldonh>Digitalgecko: but beware. you're now considering running software that not even the recommender has used
08:26<Digitalgecko>thats how one learns
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08:26<Digitalgecko>this is a fresh install so there is nothing to lose
08:26<syntech>you don't really learn much :<
08:27<syntech>besides managing linux / commands / other stuff
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08:27<fxiny>syntech: gtk or firebus3 ?
08:28<syntech>well i was looking at gtk+ on gnome and noticed some transparency :<
08:28<syntech>on the gui
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08:29<fxiny>syntech: i'm not running gnome
08:29<syntech>what do you use ?
08:29<fxiny>syntech: just to check firerbus3 performances on my old box
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08:31<Digitalgecko>I just started using linux a few days ago so I still don't know what the common commands are
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08:31<Digitalgecko>I am stumbling blind, so to speal
08:32<syntech>ls, ls -la, sudo, su, find, cat, grep all kinds of things
08:32<syntech>google for a linux commands page
08:32<syntech>( try to find one that is up to date )
08:33<Digitalgecko>The last CLI I used was MS-DOS
08:33<Digitalgecko>I am trying to stay away from the GUI for now
08:34<Digitalgecko>learn abouthow the system works from the bottom up
08:35<Digitalgecko>how would I run the rebuild program. Does it need an extension tacked on to it?
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08:38<sid>hello can any body talk here ??!!
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08:39<Digitalgecko>I am
08:39<eddieB>does anyone know how to open .pl files?
08:39<Digitalgecko>use vi if you want to edit them
08:40<eddieB>i need to run it i think
08:40<Digitalgecko>i think its something like .filename
08:40<Digitalgecko>or./file name
08:40<eddieB>here's the url. i don't know what to do
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08:41<fxiny>eddieB: chmod 700 then run : ./dhyana pr0n.avi
08:41<fxiny>got nothing to do with debian ...
08:42<alraune>fxiny: ubuntu & debian are related
08:43<Digitalgecko>you also need to have perl installed
08:43<eddieB>i get this. "-bash: /dhyana: No such file or directory"
08:43<fxiny>eddieB: if can't find a pr0n.avi run ./dhyana alraune.avi :P
08:43<fxiny>alraune: :P
08:44<fxiny>eddieB: you blind ? >> ./
08:44<Digitalgecko>do you have perl installed?
08:44<eddieB>how do i install pearl?
08:44<Digitalgecko>ohh let me
08:44<fxiny>what ?
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08:44<fxiny>you running windoze ?
08:44<Digitalgecko>apt-get update
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08:44<fxiny>wt4x !
08:44<Digitalgecko>apt-get install perl
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08:44<eddieB>fxiny: debian
08:44<Digitalgecko>am I right?
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08:45<eddieB>Digitalgecko: perl is already the newest version.
08:45<eddieB>that's what i get
08:46<Digitalgecko>then I can't help you. I just started using linux myself
08:46<fxiny>sacrilege !
08:46*fxiny lights a candle to his Larry Wall altar
08:46<Digitalgecko>ohh, are you in the same dir as the dhyana file?
08:47<Digitalgecko>I think both the file and the video have to be in the same dir
08:47<fxiny>alraune: you dead ?
08:47<alraune>fxiny: why that ?
08:47<ansgar>eddieB: Did you miss the "." before the "/"? Also, if the script is called "" you need to run "./" (including the extension)
08:48<fxiny>alraune: :)
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08:48<Digitalgecko>ansgar is correct, Linux (or is it bash) is case sensitive and it does EXACTLY what you tell it to do.
08:48<sheriff_p>Can I configure /etc/network/interfaces to get all settings except the IP address from DHCP?
08:49<Digitalgecko>it assumes nothing
08:49<eddieB>ansgar: "-bash: ./ /usr/bin/perl^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory"
08:50<ffws|hathe>sheriff_p: does that makes sense?
08:50<sheriff_p>eddieB: Looks like you need to run dos2unix on that file
08:50<sheriff_p>ffws|hathe: Perhaps not, but that wasn't so much my question :-)
08:50<ffws|hathe>sheriff_p: have a look at /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
08:50<sheriff_p>I should probably be less leazy and just put in the config details by hand
08:50<eddieB>i have installed another script that works. but i cannot find to config file. is there a way to search for it?
08:51<sheriff_p>eddieB: If you know the name, you could try 'locate xyz'
08:52<Digitalgecko>Sheldonh: How do I run this dpkg-rebuild file?
08:52<ffws|hathe>sheriff_p: many dhcp routers can be configured the way that clients always get a predefined IP address depending on their MAC address
08:52<eddieB>sheriff_p: found it. thanks
08:52<sheriff_p>ffws|hathe: Yes, but I want to give it three or four IPs
08:52<sheriff_p>on the same interface
08:52<sheriff_p>maybe that's possible too
08:53<ffws|hathe>by definition not - one device has one IP
08:54<Digitalgecko>looks like Sheldonh is AFK
08:54<sheriff_p>ffws|hathe: No, that's not correct
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08:54<ffws|hathe>sheriff_p: what you want are virtual devices
08:54<Digitalgecko>Can anybody tell me how to run a script?
08:55<ffws|hathe>Digitalgecko: ./script
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08:55<Digitalgecko>tried that
08:55<Digitalgecko>damn im blind
08:56<Digitalgecko>I am running as root and it is giving me a permission error
08:56<ffws|hathe>Digitalgecko: chmod +x script
08:56<weasel>set it executeable
08:56<weasel>you were told this before iirc
08:56<Digitalgecko>I was?
08:56*Digitalgecko checks back chat
08:57<Digitalgecko>eddie was told something about chmod
08:58<sheriff_p>Digitalgecko: What's the error you're getting?
08:58<Digitalgecko>My general problem or the problem with the script I am trying to run?
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09:03<fxiny>eddieB: does it work ?
09:04<eddieB>fxiny: i haven't got the .pl file to work but the other script is. the .pl is better but i'll settle for the other one for now..
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09:05<alraune>Digitalgecko :see pm
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09:06<Digitalgecko>thank you
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09:06<Digitalgecko>it now complains about 'Installed packages not found in /var/lib/dpkg/available:
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09:07<Digitalgecko>I think i am going to give up and try to reinstall when I get local to the xbox
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09:08<syntech>Digitalgecko, why have linux on xbox?
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09:08<Digitalgecko>because an xbox is a computer and it cost me a while $30
09:08<Digitalgecko>silent and only pulls 100W at peak
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09:09<fxiny>eddieB: right , it doesn't work , i've seen a revison which requires three perl modules plus some "midentify" to run
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09:09<fxiny>dunno what midentify is
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09:09<eddieB>i've got midentify
09:09<eddieB>i had to get it for this script
09:09<Digitalgecko>perfect for small jobs. I also wanted to run openVPN on it and dump it in a conrer as a headless server
09:10<fxiny>where is it ?
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09:10<ffws|hathe>Digitalgecko: 100W is quite a lot...
09:10<eddieB>fxiny: /usr/bin/
09:11<Digitalgecko>not when compared to my normal desktop
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09:11<fxiny>eddieB: what dpkg -S /usr/bin/midentify says ?
09:11<Digitalgecko>and that is a peak, which it is not going to hit often, if ever
09:11<eddieB>: /usr/bin/midentify not found.
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09:11<fxiny>seen ?
09:12<eddieB>but the script i'm running now wouldn't run until i put midentify in /usr/bin/
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09:12<ffws|hathe>Digitalgecko: my macmini (as home server) has a peak of 30W
09:12<fxiny>eddieB: good luck , if you manage to get this midentify you need : aptitude install libgetopt-argvfile-perl libgetopt-mixed-perl libfile-chdir-perl
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09:13<eddieB>i can def. get it again
09:14<fxiny>eddieB: this is just to show you how to install required perl modules in debian
09:14<eddieB>fxiny: what do i do next?
09:14<fxiny>eddieB: when the script exit with an error , do your apt-cache search
09:15<fxiny>eddieB: next ? i'm not interested in midentify unless apt can show me what is it
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09:16<eddieB>it's for MPlayer
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09:16<fxiny>wt4x !
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09:22<fxiny>eddieB: first of all don't put anything in /usr/bin , that's a debian ONLY dir , use /usr/local/bin
09:23<Digitalgecko>where can I get a list of descriptions for the default directories and what they are for?
09:24<samuel-veyre>Digitalgecko, man hier
09:24<snogglethorpe>ffws|hathe: does that mean the mac mini has a 30W power supply?!
09:24<Digitalgecko>I thought you were speaking german for a second
09:25<samuel-veyre>Digitalgecko, Ich bin Franzosich, Antchudigung :-)
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09:26<Digitalgecko>You are french?
09:26<ffws|hathe>snogglethorpe: no a 60W
09:26<samuel-veyre>Yes, I'm French...
09:26<Digitalgecko>I that what you said in german?
09:27<Digitalgecko>that means frech, yes?
09:27<eddieB>fxiny: so any idea on how i can get this .pl file running?
09:27<samuel-veyre>Yes ... I remember a few words from school (... and I like to confuse people)
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09:28<snogglethorpe>ffws|hathe: are the cpu/gpu/etc derated a lot? seems like 60W is less than what even a single chip pulls, even on one of these media pcs or whatever (micro atx etc)
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09:29<ffws|hathe>snogglethorpe: macmini is just build with notebook parts
09:29<fxiny>eddieB: install required perl module
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09:29<snogglethorpe>ffws|hathe: is there a channel to talk about such things btw?
09:30<eddieB>fxiny: okay, how do i do that? here's the website if it help..
09:30<fxiny>eddieB: is this midentify the script you show me ?
09:30<fxiny>eddieB: i can help you only in installing perl modules debian way
09:30<Hideo>snogglethorpe: you can probably talk about it on #powertop or #lesswatts
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09:31<fxiny>eddieB: so chmod 700 that script and rename it midentify , then cp over /usr/local/bin
09:31<fxiny>eddieB: but this got nothing to do with debian so is your responsability
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09:32<fxiny>eddieB: next if you encounter problems when running perl script , do your apt-cache search and report if you cannot find a suitable module
09:33<snogglethorpe>Hideo: thx... actually I mainly would like to get a new pc that's not a huge bloated noisy beast
09:33<eddieB>fxiny: how do i chmod?
09:34<fxiny>eddieB: chmod 700 filename
09:34<fxiny>or 777
09:34<fxiny>i do 700
09:34<Philemon>i have a problem with a partition on my HD. Though i've got "rw,user,auto,exec" as options in fstab, i get "access denied" when i try to create a folder on it.
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09:35<eddieB>fxiny: okay, how do i run the pearl script?
09:36<Hideo>it's perl, not pearl
09:36<fxiny>Hideo: sacrilege again !
09:36<eddieB>ya, 'perl' sorry
09:37<fxiny>eddieB: ./ pr0n,avi
09:37<fxiny>Hideo: ;)
09:37<ansgar>fxiny: chmod 777 is a bad idea generally, you usually want 755 (or just chmod +x [file])
09:37<fxiny>looks like a frame capture script
09:38<fxiny>ansgar: see ? i said 15:34 < fxiny> i do 700
09:38<eddieB>fxiny: -bash: /dhyana: No such file or directory
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09:38<fxiny>ansgar: it's about a script dropped in /usr/local/bin
09:38<Hideo>eddieB: you can do "./" only if you are in the same directory as the script
09:38<fxiny>eddieB: f* ! you missign the dot : ./
09:38<Hideo>eddieB: otherwise you have to type /path/to/
09:39<ansgar>fxiny: Yes, I read that. But IMO it is a bad idea to suggest 777.
09:39<eddieB>okay. i think it worked
09:39<fxiny>ansgar: yes
09:39<ansgar>fxiny: For scripts in /usr/local/bin you want 755. So that other users can still run the program, but not modify it.
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09:40<fxiny>ansgar: f* ! you right : i said 777 !
09:40<eddieB>fxiny: it didn't give me any kind of error but it also didn't show any progress. also i don't see the pic anywhere
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09:40<fxiny>eddieB: forget 777
09:40<eddieB>fxiny: i did 700
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09:41<Hideo>and the world is saved
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09:41<fxiny>i hate this chmoding scripts in /usr/local
09:41<eddieB>fxiny: what should i do next?
09:42<Hideo>look for the output file?
09:42<fxiny>eddieB: i'm trying to recover from the 777 supercrap !
09:43<Philemon>i have a problem with a partition on my HD. Though i've got "rw,user,auto,exec" as options in fstab, i get "access denied" when i try to create a folder on it.
09:43<eddieB>Hideo: i don't see it
09:43<fxiny>eddieB: so you have this perl in the same dir as your pr0n.avi ?
09:44<Hideo>eddieB: it's either in the directory where you ran the script or in the script's directory
09:44<Digitalgecko>*sigh* 4chan'ers
09:44<Hideo>or in /dev/null
09:44<eddieB>fxiny: no
09:44<ffws|hathe>Philemon: on the whole partition or jsut in the root folder of the partition?
09:44<fxiny>eddieB: no ? how duid you run it ? ./ what ?
09:45<eddieB>" path/movie.avi"
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09:46<fxiny>is the trout factoid still active ?
09:46<fxiny>!trout eddieB
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09:48<eddieB>i put them in the same directory and got this "/usr/bin/perl^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory"
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09:50<fxiny>eddieB: can you join #debian-offtopic ?
09:50<Philemon>ffws|hathe i have a problem with a partition on my HD. Though i've got "rw,user,auto,exec" as options in fstab, i get "access denied" when i try to create a folder on it.
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09:51<Philemon>ffws|hathe: it looks like this: /dev/hda3 /media/ODIN reiserfs rw,user,auto,exec 0 0
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09:52<Philemon>ffws|hathe: the whole partition, it's not the os-partition, its empty atm
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09:56<Terr1>Trying to install/configure snort-mysql on debian testing, and get the following error invoke-rc.d: initscript snort, action "start" failed., cant find any bug reports or google help? (already installed iproute) any ideas?
09:57<ffws|hathe>Philemon: chmod 777 /media/ODIN
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10:01<Philemon>ffws|hathe: nothing happens if i type that in the terminal window
10:02<ffws|hathe>Philemon: no message means no problem
10:02<Philemon>ffws|hathe: ok
10:04<Philemon>ffws|hathe: when i look at the rights it sais that only the owner can change them (and has the right to write to the partition), and that i'm not the owner.
10:04<Philemon>still i got user in fstabs options
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10:06<mordy^>i've got a problem with my external display
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10:06<mordy^>at first i was able to see the external display, but at the wrong resolution - and i wasn't able to change it
10:07<mordy^>then i installed the ATI proprietary drivers, and it worked
10:07<mordy^>and now it doesn't work at all - i don't know what happened
10:07<mordy^>any suggestions?
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10:08<Philemon>how do i change the rights to group instead of root for my partition, eventough i've got user in the fstab options?
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10:09<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>What program (preferably GUI) is there that will tell me what programs are writing/reading from disk?
10:10<JimInVa>mordy - Hey, sup?
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10:10<avu>ffws|hathe, never tell people to chmod 777 anything.
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10:11<mordy^>hello jim
10:11<JimInVa>mordy - you working on a new issue? Got your sound card fixed?
10:12<mordy^>my sound card wasn't the issue - it was my external display
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10:12<mordy^>it worked for a while - but now it doesn't work anymore
10:12<mordy^>i wish i knew what to do - i've googled - but nothing really helps
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10:14<JimInVa>mordy - it's tough system to learn if you go off the range, or if you have any trouble. This is why the OS is having such a hard time getting any traction.
10:14<mordy^>but that's in truth what i like about it
10:14<mordy^>i mainly got it to learn - it seems more powerful, and it seems like you can do just about anything with the OS itself - if you know how to
10:14<mordy^>and it's fast
10:15<mordy^>i'm trying to install it on my other computer, but it's not working - i wonder if there's a tftp gui for linux
10:15<JimInVa>mordy - Maybe, but you've got to put in some hard time to come up to speed.
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10:16<JimInVa>mordy - I _just_ got my 386SX up and running headless after wiping the box out last night.
10:17<mordy^>it worked? the NIC worked?
10:17<mordy^>yeah, wiping the box clean is an easy solution - but i hate doing it -it means i've given up and now must start from scratch
10:18<JimInVa>mordy - Yeah. May have been working for a while, but I just didn't know enough to initiate the service manually.
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10:18<mordy^>google sometimes helps, but not enough
10:18<JimInVa>mordy - now that I've got it working, I'm looking for a way to backup the five stinking active system partitions so I don't have to go through the install pain again.
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10:19<JimInVa>mordy - sometimes but, you're right, not enough.
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10:20<JimInVa>mordy - now I'm retiring the Sony VAIO thinbook, PCG-505TR as my home server.
10:20<mordy^>this thing is giving me white hairs just installing it
10:21<mordy^>vaio has a "Thinkbook" ha!
10:22<mordy^>what's strange is that up to now i've been using my tiny vaio vgn-tx750 as a "Server"
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10:22<mordy^>when i have a much larger and quicker computer in the compaq x6000 that could be used for it - but it doesn't always work
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10:23<mordy^>hehe, almost the same ip as mine
10:23<mordy^>well, the same ISP certainly
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10:25<JimInVa>mordy - tx750 - hell, man, that's practically a CAD/CAM workstation! Why as a server?
10:25<JimInVa>mordy - I've gone in the complete opposite direction.
10:26<amphi>JimInVa: still wrestling with the controls? ;)
10:26<mordy^>well, because it's quiet enough to always leave on. the x6000 makes too much noise, doesn't have a battery - and produces too much hear
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10:26<JimInVa>amphi - Amphi, you are the MAN! Thank you very much.
10:26<mordy^>in the winter i practically used it as a heater!
10:27<amphi>JimInVa: what did I do now?
10:27<JimInVa>mordy - The box I bought to make a home server runs fanless and at 15W.
10:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
10:27<JimInVa>amphi - You helped me with the driver installation and that weird dhclient magic sh*t.
10:27<snogglethorpe>JimInVa: don't do your physics simulations on that one I guess...
10:27<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
10:28<amphi>JimInVa: is it back up and limping along?
10:28<JimInVa>snog - file, print, and firefly server. Maybe webserver or proxy some day, so I can surf porn at work.
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10:29<JimInVa>amphi - Limping? How dare you. I am _screaming_ at 300MHz. (without a numeric coprocessor, of course.)
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10:29<snogglethorpe>JimInVa: always fun to see the look on your boss's face ... "but the proxy should have caught that..."
10:30<mordy^>that's my xorg.conf - i have a feeling something isn't right there - in the display section - but i don't know exactly what
10:30<JimInVa>snog- I've figure I'll tell him that my browse of was for research.
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10:31<mordy^>any help with my display?
10:31<snogglethorpe>the last straw for me was when they banned _gmail_ ("not work related")
10:32<snogglethorpe>it was clearly tunnel-time then
10:32<JimInVa>snog - Set up google for domains on your own domain. All the functionality of gmail, without the generic domain. Very nice. And free.
10:32<snogglethorpe>google for domains..?
10:33<snogglethorpe>i guess i should google for google for domains
10:33<JimInVa>snog - it's gmail for your own domain. Google it. You point your mx record to them and it's easy.
10:33<JimInVa>snog - yeah!
10:33<JimInVa>snog - :)
10:33<mordy^>lol, i have my own domains - several of them - which i don't use much except for emails
10:34<mordy^>but i guess you can always set up some kind of smtp/pop server on your own router and dns with dyndns
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10:34<mordy^>or computer
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10:34<JimInVa>mordy - What's up with your display? Ask amphi - He's the wizard!
10:34<mordy^>gah, how do i get this display to work?
10:34<mordy^>amphi - can you help/
10:35<mordy^>i'll sing you a song if you do
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10:35<JimInVa>mordy - of course - Display? I ain't got no display! We dun need no stinking display!
10:35<snogglethorpe>mordy^: actually i
10:35<snogglethorpe>bought "" a while back but don't have a server for it
10:35<amphi>mordy^: external display on a laptop?
10:36<amphi>what's wrong with it?
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10:36<mordy^>amphi, i also want to note that the native resolution for both panels - the laptop and the external is the same
10:36<mordy^>amphi, now it just doesn't work
10:36<amphi>!doesn't work
10:36<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
10:36<mordy^>i posted my xorg.conf file here
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10:36<mordy^>there is no error message - it just doesn't work - i can't see anything on my other display
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10:37<mordy^>and you're not my friend, dpkg, don't call me buddy. you're just a bot
10:37<amphi>fglrx? no idea at all about it, I'm afraid
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10:37<Jo_Dalton>hi ppl
10:37<amphi>!comfort mordy^
10:37<dpkg>There, there, mordy^. It's OK. I'm here for you.
10:37<snogglethorpe>dpkg is always so snarky
10:37<dpkg>snogglethorpe: bugger all, i dunno
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10:38<snogglethorpe>probably an only child
10:38<JimInVa>He's worse than Div on Penny Arcade.
10:38<mordy^>dpkg, if only you were a woman *sigh*
10:38<dpkg>mordy^: wish i knew
10:38<mordy^>amphi, would removing fglrx do anything? would it do anything bad?
10:39<mordy^>dpkg - are you a androgyn then?
10:39<dpkg>mordy^: I think you lost me on that one
10:39<amphi>what is the card?
10:39<mordy^>mobility radeon x600
10:39<amphi>mordy^: AFAIK, that is supported by the xorg radeon driver
10:39<mordy^>dpkg, do you have children?
10:39*dpkg wouldn't dream of doing you have children
10:40<noflash>mordy^, if you want to play with the bot please /msg it or try #debian-bots
10:40<mordy^>the bot started, though
10:40<noflash>thank you :)
10:40<JimInVa>I saw it. He did.
10:40<mordy^>but ok
10:40<mordy^>jim, we don't know its gender
10:41<Jo_Dalton>I have, at home, 3 PCs using Debian Lenny, all connected to a router. I want to establish a SECURE local area network with the 3 computers. Can someone please tell me what is the best package (or method) I shall use in order to establish the said local area network?
10:42<mordy^>hmm.. so you think i should remove fglrx?
10:42<amphi>mordy^: worth a try; you can always install the nassty blobsess if it all goes titsup
10:43<mordy^>and when should i see the changes take place?
10:43<Jo_Dalton>I just need tho share a couple directories between the 3 computers
10:44<mordy^>i just removed it
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10:44<JimInVa>Jo: Can't help you. I've just got a Linksys router. Simple solution.
10:45<amphi>you need to stop X, modprobe the kernel radeon drm module, edit xorg.conf to use the 'radeon' driver, and restart X
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10:46<mordy^>err.. how do i do that?
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10:47<Cyorxamp>Opinions folks...
10:47<Jo_Dalton>JimiVa: sorry, but you misinterpreted my question. I now hat to use a router. I just wnat to know what packages should I install on my computers ir oder to share some directories between them. I want to establish a local area network, in order to share those directories netween the 3 computers.
10:47<Cyorxamp>Would it be worth us taking Debian... swapping the kernel for one with the proprietary firmware... and naming it 'FSF Debian GNU/Linux'
10:47<Jo_Dalton>I mean "I know how to use and configure a router
10:48<Cyorxamp>and then we can kick gobuntu and gnewsense ass
10:48<Cyorxamp>everything else we have in our repository meets the FSF criteria except the kernel... which is more than I can say for the ubuntu repository
10:48<Cyorxamp>Debian is the perfect thing to turn FSF compliant (at least have a side project for it)
10:49<mordy^>amphi: how would i do that - i.e. restart X, modprobe etc.
10:49<Cyorxamp>*without the proprietary firmware
10:49*mordy^ won't restart his ex. he's had enough
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10:50<fxiny>Cyorxamp: FSF Debian GNU/Linux would be nice
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10:51<amphi>fxiny: I wouldn't be allowed to use my wireless card then, I expect :(
10:51<ootput>mordy^: haven't we all
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10:52<Jo_Dalton>Nobody here shares some directories between two or more Debian Lenny systems all conected to the same router??
10:52<ootput>Jo_Dalton: yes, apt pkg cache
10:53<mordy^>how do i restart X?
10:53<fxiny>amphi: can't stand reading about gnewsense : debian can do a FSF kernel
10:53<ootput>Jo_Dalton: nfs is okay for that purpose
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10:54<amphi>fxiny: I haven't read about gnewsense ;)
10:55<fxiny>amphi: you lucky : for a debian user like me sounds insulting
10:55<amphi>fxiny: I have evil fw blobbery installed here - what can I do?
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10:56<JimInVa>amphi - Best place to read up on setting up debian box on the network? Including how to access the server by name, rather than IP?
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10:56<Jo_Dalton>ootput: thank you for your reply. I will use nfs. just one more question: could you point to some how-to explaining how to use nfs?
10:56<fxiny>amphi: i'm talking about freedom : so if anyone wants to go FFS should be able to do , is a good pint
10:57<fxiny>i myself keep non-free on my sources in the name of freedom : i don't want to be perfect
10:57<amphi>JimInVa: if it's a small network, you could just edit the hosts file on each to make machines accessible by name
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10:57<JimInVa>amphi -
10:58<amphi>fxiny: perfection is a danger that besets so many of us ;)
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10:58<JimInVa>amphi - servers sometimes go down and when they come up in new order, they get diff ips.
10:58<amphi>JimInVa: /etc/hosts
10:58<amphi>JimInVa: either fix the router to give the same ip to each mac address, or give them static ips
10:58<JimInVa>amphi - sides, that doesn't help me, when I'm ssh'ing into the box from WinXP.
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10:59<amphi>that must have an equivalent of /etc/hosts
10:59<amphi>ISTR windows does have an etc/hosts buried in it somewhere - try searching for it
10:59<JimInVa>amphi - k. Thanks.
11:00<qq>system32/hosts , or so
11:01<ootput>Jo_Dalton: not off the top of my head. There are an assortment of tutorials online; I used a few introductory ones myself to help me get started for this exact same situation
11:01<amphi>fxiny: vrms is happy here, I just checked ;)
11:01<ootput>anywho, bye
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11:02<fxiny>amphi: unfortunately can't find that package ;)
11:02<amphi>JimInVa: if the router can't be configured to give the same ip consistently to the same machine, you can give them static ips, and forget about dhcp
11:03<sheldonh>wow. iscsi and gfs setup on lenny is waaay easier than on etch :)
11:03<fxiny>amphi: i can do a ffs starting with lenny , maybe
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11:03<amphi>fxiny: you have _only_ non-free in your sources.list? ;)
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11:04<Cyorxamp>fxiny: I know what you mean by the insulting factoer
11:05<enouf>fxiny: no porbs! ;-)
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11:05<Cyorxamp>They fork debian using their own repo's... then THEY get forked themselves as the ulmightly base for gnewsense!
11:05<fxiny>amphi: nahhh : i am in the Saint Marillat church as well
11:05<Cyorxamp>I mean they only support x86 for crying out loud
11:06<Cyorxamp>There was a time Debian had the support of the FSF... we need it back
11:06<amphi>praise the Lr0d!
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11:06<Cyorxamp>If stallman can change his mind from Utotu to gNewsense... he can change his mind to FSF Debian GNU/Linux
11:06<Cyorxamp>and in TIME!
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11:06<fxiny>Cyorxamp: yes ? i felt really insulted . if any idiots touches debian ,and again i am just a user , i feel insulted
11:06<Jo_Dalton>ootput: thank you. I'm googling for some nfs tutorials :)
11:06<Cyorxamp>FSF Debian GNU/Hurd
11:06<enouf>amphi: IIRC, windows hosts is at C:\Windows\System32\drivers\hosts or somecrap
11:06<enouf>maybe \drivers\etc\hosts
11:07<amphi>there's something so quaintly medieval about drive letters...
11:07<fxiny>Cyorxamp: Hurd ? ahhhhhhh the dream
11:07<amphi>enouf: under drivers? makes sense
11:07<Cyorxamp>A dream only Debian is following
11:07<enouf>and '\' for dir paths :-P
11:07<Cyorxamp>and it was the whole POINT of the GNU OS!
11:07<enouf>amphi: right? :-P
11:07<fxiny>enouf: no porbs :)
11:07<enouf>fxiny: non whatsoever ;-)
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11:08<fxiny>enouf: heheheh : debconf coming ;)
11:08<amphi>does vista still use drive letters?
11:08<enouf>fxiny: we be streaming :-P
11:09<amphi>Cyorxamp: ye ghods!
11:09<fxiny>enouf: yes ! here and in #debian-offtopic ( wondering what abrotman will say )
11:10<enouf>amphi: Results 1 - 10 of about 257,000 for C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts. (0.30 seconds)
11:10<fxiny>amphi: why you not in #debian-offtopic ?
11:10<enouf>1st hit --> "Mar 10, 2008 ... I have a virus in C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts"
11:10<amphi>fxiny: good question
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11:12<mordy_^>great, now X doesn't work anymore
11:12<enouf>oh stop
11:12<amphi>X is overrated
11:12<enouf>and fix it
11:12<enouf>add two more, and it gets intersting :-)
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11:13<mordy_^>i don't know how to fix it
11:13<enouf>figure it out
11:13<mordy_^>"no screens found"
11:13<enouf>ok .. how about some history
11:14<enouf>if you were here before, well, ok, i just kind of mosied on over
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11:14<mordy_^>hehe, i wasn't
11:14<JimInVa>Serving up that tough love, eh, ehouf?
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11:16<noflash>JimInVa, more the give ya a fish kind of love
11:16<mordy_^>well, what do i do in xorg.conf?
11:17<JimInVa>noflash: but I don't want to learn Linux! I just want my computer to work!!!
11:17<noflash>JimInVa, hire an admin then
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11:19<mordy_^>ok, what do i change in xorg.conf? i see that the display is still listed as being my old ATI driver which i just uninstalled - i should probabyl change it - but i don't know to what
11:19<mordy_^>if i delete xorg.conf, will it just recreate it?
11:21<mordy_^>any suggestions? should i past it?
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11:22<ansgar>mordy_^: X -configure will generate a xorg.conf. I'm not sure where it will save it, either the current directory or /etc/X11.
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11:22<mordy_^>so i should just delete the old one?
11:23<ansgar>mordy_^: It is probably a good idea to backup the old xorg.conf before.
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11:23<mordy_^>i guess i'll rename it to somethig like xorg.config.old
11:23<ansgar>mordy_^: I would cp/mv it in case something goes wrong. Better to have something than nothing.
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11:23<mordy_^>well, i pretty have nothing as it is lol
11:23<mordy_^>what does "cp" do?
11:24<ansgar>cp does copy files.
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11:25<mordy_^>ok, it worked
11:25<mordy_^>i found another file in the directory named ~.original - i renamed it to xorg.conf - i don't know whats happening now - i'm getting this output
11:25<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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11:26<mordy_^>i don't know what to do - i
11:26<mordy_^>'m running this from ssh shell
11:27<JimInVa>amphi -
11:28<amphi>JimInVa: ¯
11:28<mordy_^>i think that's where you are - no?
11:28<JimInVa>amphi: I've found the host file on my box. It appears I've not set up my other server's host name in it and yet, that server appears to be broadcasting its name to the network. Does ssh or sshd do that?
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11:29<JimInVa>amphi: I've checked and it does not appear I'm running any nameserver to do it.
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11:29<amphi>windows broadcasts all kinds of stuff, from what I remember
11:30<JimInVa>amphi: It's my first debian box that's broadcasting it's name for others, including my Windows machines, to ssh into it by name.
11:30<JimInVa>amphi - and the name works regardless of its IP.
11:30<amphi>JimInVa: perhaps you have some zeroconf type thing installed?
11:30<JimInVa>amphi - I'll keep looking. I just did this four months ago, myself. Now it's completely gone.
11:31<mordy_^>how do i stop X?
11:31<amphi>mordy_^: you use a graphical login?
11:32<mordy_^>i'm on ssh
11:32<mordy_^>X is running, but it's not working on any display
11:33<mordy_^>well, i just picked myself up and pressed crtl-alt-bckspc
11:33<mordy_^>and it worked
11:33<mordy_^>hmm.. it doesn't work - tells me it's still active
11:34<nooberdon>can tell me why nvidia binary driver states that I am using an Xen kernel, when all I am using is the 2.6.25-2-686 stock lenny kernel?
11:35<mordy_^>how do i find files?
11:35<eljefe>I am trying to write a script with KDESU but it isn't being called prior to running the next command, any ideas? "/usr/bin/kdesu -c `/usr/bin/konsole -e m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci` "
11:36<|># find / -name thisisafile
11:36<amphi>mordy_^: or locate
11:36<|>Shhh, you're evil. :P
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11:37<|>Isn't locate cached though? :p
11:37*| is not sure how to say it. :x
11:37<mordy_^>hmm.. this is pretty cool
11:37<mordy_^>"find" works fine
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11:38<amphi>mordy_^: locate is faster, assuming its database is up to date
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11:38<mordy_^>hmm.. i can't even navigate to it though
11:38<mordy_^>i'm so clumsy - :-<
11:39<mordy_^>"remove /tmp/.X0-lock"
11:39<mordy_^>and i'm trying to find it
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11:40<mordy_^>hmm it worked
11:41<mordy_^>well, i deleted the file - but it still appears to be running
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11:42<mordy_^>and i have no idea how to kill the processes - for some reason "kill <pid>" just doesn't work
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11:43<amphi>mordy_^: try kill -9
11:43<mordy_^>what does that do?
11:43<amphi>mordy_^: or if you feel more brutal, kill -11 ;)
11:43<Guest472>hi all
11:43<amphi>mordy_^: sends sigkill rather than sigterm
11:43<mordy_^>kill -11 <pid>?
11:44<amphi>use -9
11:44<mordy_^>but the syntax is correct?
11:44<Guest472>where do i find volume control in fluxbox
11:44<mordy_^>can i list many processes separated by commas?
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11:45<amphi>Guest472: open a term and run alsamixer ;)
11:46<knoppix__>does anyone know how to install gnome in knoppix? kde is confusing to me
11:46<amphi>mordy_^: with some faffing about - why do you need to?
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11:46<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
11:46<mordy_^>amphi, i want to make X generate its own configuration file, but it won't let me run X -configure if X is running
11:46<mordy_^>so i'm trying ti kill X, but it's not helping
11:48<amphi>mordy_^: 'killall -9 X' doesn't work ?
11:48<mordy_^>X is dead - but X -configure still doesn't work, i mean
11:49<mordy_^>kill -9 worked :D
11:49<mordy_^>here, i'll paste the output
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11:49<Guest473>so knoppix isn't a distro i can install?
11:49<amphi>mordy_^: why not just edit xorg.conf
11:50<Guest473>no one is in the knoppix chat sorry
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11:50<amphi>Guest472: please ask in #knoppix
11:50<mordy_^>amphi, i don't know what to edit- and why edit it if X can do it itself?
11:50<amphi>mordy_^: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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11:50<amphi>Guest472: try #knoppix on perhaps
11:50<mordy_^>i mean i don't know what values to enter
11:51<mordy_^>i'm trying to have X set up its own configuration file - i renamed xorg.conf
11:51<rmf>I seem to have the same problem as lots of other people, but can't find any solutions :/... Wizards don't work in openoffice (well. the forms wizards at least) Does anyone know why this is?
11:51<Guest473>so knoppix isn't a real os and is just for hardware testing???
11:51<rmf>there have been ref's to Java, but those that hafve installed it claim that it makes no odds with the forms problem
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11:53<Guest472>sorry, i didn't check the im :). Thanks very much amphi
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11:55<Guest472>nobody at knoppix :)
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11:55<mordy_^>so any suggestions?
11:56<mordy_^>the only processes i have running now are "bash" and "ps"
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11:57<amphi>mordy_^: ps aux
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11:58<amphi>mordy_^: ps by default only shows processes of that shell
12:00<scirocco>For reasons too long to explain but involving a remarkable lack of forethought, I have only one kernel bootable on my laptop and both the kernel image and initrd file in / with symlinks back to /boot which grub does not like "Too many links"
12:00<mordy_^>gah, i think X just restarts when i try to shut it down
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12:00<scirocco>I need ask how t get the spartan Grub terminal to load a kernel in intird image in / rather than in /boot.
12:00<amphi>scirocco: remove the symlinks, and move the kernel and initrd to /boot ?
12:00<scirocco>amphi: If I could boot, I would do just that.
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12:01<scirocco>however, grub stops me with 'too many links'. I'm afraid I may have to download a live cd from somewhere, buy my connection is /slow/
12:01<scirocco>so I"m hoping there's an alternative.
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12:02<amphi>scirocco: do 'root (whatever,whatever)' then 'kernel /[TAB]' then 'initrd /[TAB]' and then 'boot', I think
12:03<scirocco>Beaut, lemme try. Thanks amphi..
12:03<JimInVa>Samba's nmbd is broadcasting the server's name on the network!
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12:05<amphi>JimInVa: your computer is broadcasting its IP address!
12:06<JimInVa>amphi: My other, first server has been doing it. Now I've figured why - because I'd installed samba.
12:06<mordy_^>ok, this is really weird
12:06<mordy_^>X is running, but it's not displaying to any screen
12:06<mordy_^>the problem is that it thinks it is displaying to a screen, and hence not giving me any errors
12:06<mordy_^>what do i do now?
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12:08<qq>mordy_^: stop flooding ?
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12:08<mordy_^>sorry #-o
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12:14<JimInVa>amphi - My new server is now broadcasting its name and is ssh'able by name! Woo Hoo!
12:14<JimInVa>Screw You!!!
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12:20<mordy_^>i'm stil :(
12:21<JimInVa>mordy - man, thas ol skool!
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12:29<bighornram>I'm getting repeated error trying to process linux-image-2.6.25-2-amd64
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12:30<mordy_^>hehe, i could do that with my windows box too
12:30<mordy_^>at least telnet to it
12:32<dpkg>from memory, telnet is an old protocol for remotely logging in to another computer. It is one of the basic utilities for TCP/IP. It is very insecure as it sends all traffic in plaintext! Seriously consider using <ssh> instead. see telnet-ssl, this one has encryption and certificates support (but that's useless without a remote telnetd-ssl except to play and telnet to an https web server)
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12:34<mordy_^>amphi, any other solution to my X?
12:34<amphi>just kill it already
12:35<amphi>!tell mordy_^ -about drxx
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12:42<mordy_^>amphi, that doesn't help much - it only gives me somehwat of an easier way to edit the xorg.conf-but it's not what i'm looking for
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12:43<mordy_^>hmm.. it works now
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12:43<EmleyMoor>If I can find my old PC joystick, is there anything simple I can do to prove that it works?
12:44<EmleyMoor>Failing that, are there any good ones to buy?
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12:46<abrotman>there are a lot of usb game pads now
12:46<EmleyMoor>I'm really looking for one that would work well with a Spectrum emulator
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12:47*mordy_^ still has his serial joystick :|
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12:53<mordy^>well, at least my X works again now - for how long i don't know - and i still don't know how to configure a second display - :-?
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12:55<amphi>mordy^: google knows
12:55<mordy^>"configure external display X"?
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13:00<mordy^>hmm.. not much information - most of the search results focus on having the external display switched to by pressing fn-f8
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13:07<amphi>mordy^: radeons can be weird like that, IIRC - you may have to use radeontool, or even boot with the external display for it to work
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13:08<mordy^>radeontool doesn't give me any problems - it shows that the external display is connected - i guess what i really need to do is configure the xorg.config
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13:10<mordy^>nor do i know what the display codes mean. if my panel is :0.0, does my external monitor get :0.1?
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13:13<qq>mordy^: hint : use xrandr
13:13<mordy^>qq, doesn't work
13:13<mordy^>err.. it doesn't detect an external display
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13:15<qq>mordy^: >>>
13:15<qq>#Dual Monitors and xrandr
13:18<abrotman>which may or may not work for a Debian user
13:18<abrotman>especially one not running sid
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13:20<cahoot>or lenny sat least
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13:21<Glassdog>i am looking to do my first linux debian install soon and wanted to know if it is possible to set up vhostson a home static ip with it
13:21<Glassdog>forboth www and eggdrop use
13:22<mordy^>is there a way i can see what driver my card is using? or in general to see a list of drivers? a GUI would be nice
13:23<amphi>mordy^: /var/log/Xorg.0.log will have interesting info
13:24<qq>cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep Drive
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13:26<mordy^>the log itself is very long, so i just did a search for "VGA" - but nothing to be found there - except for a "VGA connector"
13:26<JimInVa>amphi - Suggestions on the absolute lightest desktop available for Debian? I'm about to return my VAIO PCG-505TR from server to desktop status and would like an alternative to Win98.
13:27<JimInVa>amphi - I've heard of fluxbox, icewm, and a couple others. Need not be pretty. Browsing will be most of its duty.
13:27<amphi>JimInVa: you could just use a light wm rather than a DE - openbox for example
13:27<amphi>JimInVa: there are many panels, if you like that sort of thing
13:27<amphi>xfce is the lightest of the DEs AFAIK
13:27<Nemoder>JimInVa: how much ram?
13:28<JimInVa>amphi - Great. And, again, thanks. I'll look into these. XFCE - heard of that too. It's the one with the mouse running, right?
13:28<JimInVa>Nemoder - 128MB.
13:28<Nemoder>should be able to do xfce ok then
13:28<JimInVa>Neo- Thanks. I'll give it a shot.
13:29<mordy^>driver says "ATI" - does that mean that the ATI proprietary driver is installed?
13:31<mordy^>weird. the monitor just turned on. i really don't know what's happening here :-?
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13:34<kingsley>fsck in verbose mode says a certain hard drive "was not cleanly unmounted" and checks it, but reports no specific error, and concludes with "***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *****". Could a shutdown script calling umount be confused by either a missing ext3 journal, or a missing neighboring hard drive?
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13:36<EmleyMoor>I've just spotted my PC joystick in my spares box
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13:36<EmleyMoor>Is there a good program I can run that would help to confirm its operational status?
13:38<qq>dmesg ?
13:38<kingsley>EmleyMoor: That seems to me to be yet another Google research project, but having said that, you might just try plugging it in, booting, and seeing what ends up in /var/log/messages.
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13:39<EmleyMoor>Does dmesg or /var/log/messages show anything significant if an operational joystick is found on a game port?
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13:40<mordy>what's the dpkg command for configuring X again?
13:40<EmleyMoor>Right - time for a short shutdown
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13:42<kingsley>mordy: That seems to me to be yet another Google research project.
13:42<mordy>found it
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13:50<mordy>maybe i should just give up :(
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13:51<EmleyMoor>OK - my joystick is connected but there is no sign of it
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13:53<EmleyMoor>There's no /dev/js* nor /dev/input/js*
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13:54<abrotman>is it usb or game port?
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13:55<EmleyMoor>game port
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13:56<qq>eisa card ?
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13:58<qq> lspci
13:58<qq>kernel ?
13:58<EmleyMoor>Stock Debian kernel
13:58<EmleyMoor>Card is a recognised and working sound card
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14:00<qq>uname -r
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14:01<qq> cat /boot/config-2.6.18-6-k7 |grep JSM
14:01<qq>here >>CONFIG_SERIAL_JSM=m
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14:02<qq>modul is called "JSM.ko" or so
14:03<qq>in lower case
14:05<EmleyMoor>May be getting somewhere now
14:06<infotron> yeah. now we're over here.
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14:07<qq>insmod /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-k7/kernel/drivers/serial/jsm/jsm.ko
14:08<EmleyMoor>Now I've proved it can work I will sort all that :-)
14:08<infotron>direct invocation of insmod is discourraged over modprobe.
14:08<JimInVa>All - I'm outta here! Later
14:08<infotron>eg, modprobe jsm
14:08<JimInVa>Amphi - Thanks a bunch for a whole lot of help. I'm going to miss you most of all, Scarecrow.
14:08<amphi>JimInVa: good luck
14:09<amphi>JimInVa: what is this little machine of yours, BTW?
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14:09<JimInVa> Y'AI'NG'NGAH
14:09<JimInVa> YOG-SOTHOTH
14:09<JimInVa> H'EE-L'GEB
14:09<JimInVa> F'AI TRHODOG
14:09<JimInVa> UAAAAH
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14:10<qq>as root EmleyMoor
14:10<EmleyMoor>qq: Indeed
14:12<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... xfuse-sdl won't accept it
14:12<EmleyMoor>(permissions perhaps)
14:12<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... not permissions I guess
14:12<qq>i dunno
14:12<rootmos>anyone knows anything about initrd? I can't get linux to boot after a kernelupgrade via apt. It seams it cant find either my md device or my lvm
14:13<EmleyMoor>It is supposed to use /dev/input/js0 anyway - but nothing happens.
14:13<rootmos>i can boot an older kernel
14:13<EmleyMoor>It doesn't accept if I tell it to use that - invalid argument
14:14<qq>try same info on net
14:14<EmleyMoor>It's mainly xfuse I want it in
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14:15<qq>i don't use jsm
14:15<infotron>rootmos: diff -u /boot/config-works /boot/config-broken and upload it to
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14:23<infotron>rootmos: there's a likelyhood you have to run update-initramfs. however if you compiled your own kernel (via kernel package for example) you have to ensure the same features are needed to boot. Is your root filesystem lvm/softraid or the like? chat with others here. I'm leaving to enjoy the wonderful day in the big blue room.
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14:25<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... it looks like my main problem now is down to software
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14:26<EmleyMoor>It's just xfuse that doesn't like it
14:27<rootmos>infotron: yes it is on/lvm softraid, but i have not compiled my own kernel i just used debians kernel image, i have built a mad-wifi module the debian-way though.
14:27<rootmos>using lenny btw
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14:28<rootmos>and the module has worked before and it should not interupt with the boot process
14:28<rootmos>Since it is a wifi module
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14:29<rootmos>yepp tried that but still the same error
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14:31<rootmos>yepp tried that but still the same error. But it complains about no arrays defined in mdadm.conf
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14:35<mordy^>i'm installing lenny on my other laptop - let's see if it will work
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14:48<iury_lm>i've downloaded etch's amd64 cd 1 and 2, but when i installed, it never asked me for cd 2
14:48<iury_lm>how do i do to install content of cd2 too?
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14:49<Nemoder>iury_lm: apt-cdrom
14:50<iury_lm>okay :), so, when installing it will never ask
14:50<Nemoder>most of the software you need is on the first cd
14:51<iury_lm>i see...
14:52<iury_lm>and, when i was installing, i choose not to use network mirrors
14:52<iury_lm>so mi sources.list is blank
14:52<iury_lm>where do i find sources for etch amd64?
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14:53<Nemoder>insert each cd you have and run 'apt-cdrom add'
14:53<Nemoder>and it will update your sources.list
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14:53<iury_lm>even the internet ones?
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14:55<Nemoder>if you want to use the online servers instead then add a line to your sources.list like: deb testing main contrib non-free
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14:55<Nemoder>er sorry
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14:55<Nemoder>*like: deb stable main contrib non-free
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14:56<iury_lm>thank you :D
14:56<iury_lm>and.. this address fits for amd64?
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14:57<iury_lm>thank you very much
14:57<iury_lm>i`ll reboot and try
14:57<Nemoder>you may want to find a faster local mirror if it's too slow
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14:58<iury_lm>i'll test it
14:58<iury_lm>i think there's a mirror in brazil, there isn't?
14:58<dpkg>i guess debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or
14:58<mordy^>german mirrors work good
14:59<mordy^>i think there's some way to do a scan though
14:59<Nemoder>apt-spy will find a good server for you
14:59<iury_lm>yeah, i've always used the german speed when downloading slack:)
14:59<mordy^>Nemoder: based on speed or location?
14:59<Nemoder>I believe it tests the servers on speed
14:59<Nemoder>or at least response time
15:00<mordy^>but response time means location, not necessarily speed
15:00<mordy^>i can ping the local servers much quicker - but the speed is horrible
15:02<mordy^>but i don't know how many linux users exist here, although i've seen quite a few bezeq ips here
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15:03<Nemoder>cat /usr/share/doc/apt-spy/TODO "-Re-write the whole bloody thing :P" doh!
15:04<mordy^>err.. how do i use apt-spy/
15:04<dpkg>[apt-spy] a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using.
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15:06<mordy^>does dpkg have information on all debian programs? or just the more important or popular ones?
15:06<yury>mordy is still here
15:06<yury>dpkg has stuff on what you have installed
15:06<dpkg>wish i knew, yury
15:06<mordy^>yury, i did go to sleep
15:07<yury>dpkg -l
15:07<dpkg>yury: i don't know
15:07<Nemoder>yury: I think he means the chatbot
15:07<yury>so did I
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15:07<yury>Nemoder: ah
15:07<yury>when did I leave yestereday
15:07<Nemoder>and I have no idea what it knows, many scary things no doubt
15:07<yury>I've been asleep since
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15:07<yury>dpkg -L nethack
15:07<dpkg>No packages found matching nethack
15:08<yury>dpkg -L iceweasel
15:08<dpkg>No packages found matching iceweasel
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15:09<yury>grr... isn't fsck supposed to drrop orphaned inodes in lost+found?
15:09<yury>dpkg -L openssh-client
15:09<dpkg>ii openssh-client 2.2-14 yury's private stamp collection
15:10<yury>wrong 'l'
15:10<yury>dpkg -l openssh-client
15:10<dpkg>ii openssh-client 3.4-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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15:10<mordy^>i just did apt-spy update - said it completed the update, but my sources.list remain the same
15:10<mordy^>the 'update' also took too quick - i wonder if i'm dooing anything wrong
15:10<dpkg>from memory, apt-spy is a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using.
15:11<mordy^>abrotman: i followed dpkg's instructions
15:11<qq>is the best , than
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15:11<abrotman>mordy^: you're on lenny now ?
15:11<mordy^>i'm installing lenny on the other computer
15:12<abrotman>did you get the first machine working the way you wanted?
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15:12<mordy^>err... not really - but i don't think i have anything else left that i want to do, for now
15:12<mordy^>either that, or i'm just too hungry
15:13<qq>mordy^: you're on debian anyway now ?
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15:13<qq>wirt ?
15:13<mordy^>althoguh i'm keeping windows on that other
15:13<qq>with ?
15:13<qq>witch ?
15:13<rook>Could someone assist me in installing a wireless card (DLINK Airplus Xtreme G DWL-G520) using debian? I am new to linux/debian. I just installed it.
15:14<Nemoder>aww iceweasel3 doesn't support animated png files like firefox3 does
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15:14<abrotman>it should
15:15<abrotman>rook: do you know which driver it needs ?
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15:16<abrotman>rook: go to google "DWL-G520 debian driver" .. does that help ?
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15:16<mordy^>it's not working by me either. probably some kind of plugin needed :-?
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15:16<abrotman>!dwl520 rev c
15:16<dpkg>well, adm8211 is a driver for ADMtek ADM8211x-based wireless devices. Included since kernel 2.6.24, "modprobe adm8211".
15:16<abrotman>that's rev c though
15:16<abrotman>rook: do you know which revision your card is ?
15:16<vook>looks like airplus 520 may be a "TI ACX 100"
15:17<rook>let me check
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15:17<mordy^>works in opera :D
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15:17<sheldonh>i need my init script to be started _after_ something else. which field do i put the something else in?
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15:18<vook>rook: try to modprobe ipacx
15:18<gawz>im starting to hate linux people
15:18<abrotman>Nemoder: opera does it .. but seems neither IW or epiphany does
15:18<gawz>file systems keep crashing, after you get it all set up
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15:18<vook>gawz: what filesystem?
15:19<abrotman>sheldonh: you use the numbers in the init system
15:19<Nemoder>abrotman: It works in ff3 in windows, i will try mozilla's linux build of ff3 and see if it works there
15:19<gawz>this is the 2nd time i get everything set, apache, mysql, samba. then boom
15:19<vook>gawz: no, I mean what filesystem type? (ext3, reiserfs, etc...)
15:19<vook>gawz: what is boom? what happens?
15:19<rook>where do i run that command. Again, i am very new
15:20<abrotman>Nemoder: though i'm using epiphany-gecko
15:20<rook>and linux box is in the other room because I had to jack it strait into my router
15:20<vook>rook: at the terminal, try "sudo modprobe ipacx", then iwconfig
15:20<mordy^>files and directories beginning with a dot are hidden?
15:21<rook>before i walk over there.. where the terminal?
15:21<gawz>vook: latest is locks up, errors on booting. (red) then errors upon booting into gui. . unresponsive. apache not up, mysql or samba not up
15:21<fxiny>Nemoder: i have firebus3 : what do you want me to check ?
15:21<gawz>now i have to learnhow to fix all this shit
15:21<sheldonh>abrotman: you mean runlevels? if so, ummmm... no
15:21<gawz>im sick of reinstalling. time to fix
15:21<vook>rook: well, if it's loading to a GUI, you can load a console, or you can hold CTRL-ALT-F1 and log in there.
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15:22<abrotman>sheldonh: why not ?
15:22<gawz>i just dont have the time for all this attention linux needs
15:22<rook>yeah, im in the gui. where can i load the console?
15:22<sheldonh>abrotman: because it's common to have depdency issues on a single runlevel
15:22<abrotman>sheldonh: welcome to init!
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15:22<rook>gnome gui i beileve, was the default.
15:22<abrotman>!info upstart sid
15:22<sheldonh>abrotman: there's no need to patronise me just because you don't know what i'm talking about
15:22<gawz>let me tell you..ETCH is not stable!!!!
15:23<Nemoder>abrotman: it works in mozilla's build, i guess it's a bug with iceweasel only
15:23<vook>rook: if you are in gnome, click the foot, then accessories, then terminal
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15:23<abrotman>sheldonh: i do .. but that's not the point .. you're talking about dependency based init .. like upstart or uhm .. initng (dead)
15:23<rook>ok, thanks. brb. going to do that
15:23<gawz>ETCH is freaking buggy galore.
15:23<fxiny>ahhhh the animated gif ? yes it works
15:23<Nemoder>abrotman: unless they intentionally disabled it for some reason
15:23<abrotman>Nemoder: like i said .. epiphany is also not working
15:24<Nemoder>fxiny: animated png not gif (gif needs to die imo)
15:24<fxiny>Nemoder: yeahhhh :)
15:24<sheldonh>abrotman: so Provides:, Required-Start: etc. are all ignored in Debian?
15:24<abrotman>sheldonh: in the control file?
15:24<sheldonh>abrotman: no, in init scripts
15:26<rook>vook: that commanded yielded the following: austin is not in the suoers file ... austin being the account name i set up. Do i need to be logged in under the admin account?
15:27<sheldonh>abrotman: once you've had a look, you'll understand my frustration at your "welcome to init" :)
15:27<vook>rook: ya, login in as root, and type visudo
15:27<abrotman>sheldonh: had a look at what?
15:27<sheldonh>abrotman: found my problem, though. forgot to update-rc.d myinitscript defaults :)
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15:27<vook>rook: su -
15:28<abrotman>he can do his driver install without sudo
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15:29<vook>i know... just familiarizing him with sudo at the same time.
15:29<Nemoder>abrotman: :( :(
15:29<abrotman>sheldonh: and that caused failure ?
15:29<abrotman>Nemoder: aw .. that's crap
15:29<rook>it said could not find module
15:30<sheldonh>abrotman: no, it explains why my script didn't start after the ones declared as dependencies. it didn't start at all :)
15:30<abrotman>rook: is your driver axc100 ?
15:30<Nemoder>abrotman: fork! fork! fork! :)
15:30<abrotman>erm .. acx100 ?
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15:31<vook>erg, not ipacx..
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15:32<abrotman>rook: is it PCI or pcmcia ?
15:32<rook>Let me look up the windows driver again
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15:32<abrotman>rook: which revision is your card ?
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15:33<mordy^>still a few more things i'd like to do though - like connect my phone to my box
15:33<chealer>abrotman: I guess you did *not* mean runlevels, but rather the "priority number"
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15:34<mordy^>maybe be able to send/receive SMS messages and perhaps even make phone calls
15:34<abrotman>chealer: oh perhaps .. who knows .. i'm just north of crazy :)
15:34<rook>i can never remember. I think its newest revision. Let me double check though
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15:35<abrotman>i still dont' know if it's pci or pcmcia
15:35<rook>Its revision B
15:35<abrotman>not really sure it matters
15:35<abrotman>rook: apparently your card uses madwifi
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15:35<abrotman>rook: are you root on your syste m?
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15:36<rook>i beileve so. My login was succussful
15:36<abrotman>is your prompt a $ or # ?
15:36<abrotman>!madwifi install
15:36<dpkg>methinks madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
15:36<Hideo>not root
15:36<abrotman>rook: type "su" .. hit enter .. then type the root passwd
15:37<abrotman>rook: then type the big long command above that is in quotes
15:37<rook>this one.. "sudo modprobe ipacx"?
15:37<abrotman>do you have your # prompt yet?
15:38<rook>hold on. pc in other room and will be until i can get this installed :p
15:38<abrotman>does it have network ? you can IRC from it if so
15:38<rook>yeah it does
15:39<rook>i have # now
15:39<abrotman>rook: if you `cat /etc/apt/sources.list` .. do you have lines that have contrib and/or non-free ?
15:40<abrotman>rook: if the other box has network via wired connection .. i'd really recommend you IRC from that
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15:41<rook>it take it debian comes with an irc app then?
15:42<abrotman>do you just have CLI right now? or have you already installed X?
15:43<rook>those mean nothing to me. I just installed it. And just booted into the gui.
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15:44<rook>I just need to get this wireless card installed so I can move the box back in this room
15:44<rook>then i can figure out WTF im doing
15:44<abrotman>do you know which GUI you have?
15:44<abrotman>gnome? kde? something else?
15:44<abrotman>gnome has xchat ..
15:44<rook>ok, ill set that up
15:44<abrotman>it should be in the Applications->Internet menu or something like that ...
15:45<rook>thanks for your help
15:45<abrotman>okay .. we'll be here
15:45<abrotman>maybe ..
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15:47<mordy^>now it's giving me wifi problems :(
15:49<amphi>!pal mordy^
15:49*dpkg points at mordy^ and laughs
15:49<rook>u sure xchat is there? I dont see it.
15:50<abrotman>rook: if not .. when you are root 'aptitude install xchat
15:50<yury>dpkg -r dpkg
15:50*dpkg removes dpkg along with a pound of flesh from yury's body, then staples yury back up with a staple gun.
15:51<yury>dpkg -P dpkg
15:51<dpkg>yury: are you smoking crack?
15:51<abrotman>yury: go play with the bot somewhere else
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15:52<mordy^>lenny isn't very quick :|
15:52<rook__>im on the linux box now. Thanks
15:53<abrotman>rook__: yay!
15:53<abrotman>rook__: okay
15:53<abrotman>!madwifi install
15:53<dpkg>madwifi-install is, like, ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
15:54<abrotman>rook__: first .. in a terminal .. `cat /etc/apt/sources.list` .. do you have contrib and non-free lines ?
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15:55<mordy^>muammar qadaffi?
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15:55<rook__>i have both
15:56<rook__>well main and contrib lines
15:56<abrotman>you also need non-free
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15:56<abrotman>rook__: do you know how to use 'vi' or 'nano' ?
15:57<abrotman>rook__: in your root terminal 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list` .. and the end of each line in there .. make sure there is a 'contrib non-free' .. not the spaces between 'main contrib non-free'
15:57<abrotman>note the spaces
15:57<iury_>how do i install a .deb?
15:58<abrotman>iury_: man dpkg
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16:00<rook__># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20080217-11:50]/ etch contrib main
16:00<rook__>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20080217-11:50]/ etch contrib main
16:00<rook__>deb etch main
16:00<rook__>deb-src etch main
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16:00*abrotman wonders if xchat auto-reconnects
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16:01<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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16:01<abrotman>rook___: so at the end of the 'deb http' lines .. add ' contrib non-free'
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16:04<rook___>deb etch main contrib non-free
16:04<rook___>like that?
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16:04<rook___>on all of them, correct?
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16:04<abrotman>last three lines .. the http sources
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16:06<rook___>i only see 2 http lines
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16:07<abrotman>you have three .. two deb and one deb-src
16:07<Hideo>you should probably have a security line in there
16:07<rook___>ok, done. now what?
16:07<abrotman>Hideo: that's his third didn't get pasted
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16:07<abrotman>rook___: close/save the file
16:07<Hideo>oh ok
16:08<abrotman>rook___: back at the prompt ?
16:08<mordy^>how do i get my intel wireless 2200 working on lenny?
16:08<dpkg>The module is built into the kernel from etch onwards but you need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. See For sarge, ask me about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>
16:09<abrotman>rook___: got it corrected yet?
16:10<abrotman>!tell mordy^ about bcm43xx
16:10<abrotman>rook___: okay .. so .. close/save the file
16:11<rook___>just.. close the window then?
16:11<rook___>how do i save?
16:11<abrotman>no .. it tells you to hit ctrl-o .. then ctrl-x
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16:12<rook___>it doesnt say anything. Does this occur after i select close window in the file menu?
16:13<abrotman>no ... don't do that
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16:13<abrotman>hit ctrl-o .. then ctrl-x
16:13<rook___>then enter?
16:14<abrotman>did it close the file ?
16:14<abrotman>or is it entering characters ?
16:14<abrotman>maybe try hitting escape a few times . and then ":wq"
16:14<rook___>ctrl o selects file name to write: /etc/apt/sources.list
16:15<rook___>and ctrl x appears to do nothing
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16:15<abrotman>ctrl-o asks you to save the file .. you would hit enter to confirm the filename .. then after that's done .. hit ctrl-x
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16:15<rook___>ok, done
16:15<rook___>back to prompt
16:16<abrotman>now .. aptitude update
16:16<abrotman>get any errors ?
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16:17<abrotman>rook___: you don't have to show me .. just tell me if it works or not
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16:17<abrotman>rook___: okay . now
16:17<abrotman>!madwifi isntall
16:17<abrotman>!madwifi install
16:17<dpkg>well, madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
16:18<abrotman>copy what is in the quotes .. copy it in to your root terminal .. and hit enter
16:19<rook___>lol, how do i copy in this app
16:19<abrotman>just highlignt
16:19<abrotman>then in your terminal .. hit the middle mouse button to paste
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16:20<rook___>ok, done.
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16:20<abrotman>is it running ?
16:21<rook___>paste last 3 lines
16:21<abrotman>do you have that CD?
16:21<rook___>must be the install cd i burned
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16:21<abrotman>if not .. nano /etc/apt/sources.list .. and put a # in front of the CD line .. then save/quit .. and rerun aptitude update .. then rerun the command above
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16:22<rook___>its running
16:24<rook___>ok, appears to be done. back at prompt
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16:25<abrotman>it did everything?
16:25<abrotman>rook___: `lsmod | grep ath` .. do you see anything ?
16:26<abrotman>rook___: you don't have to paste me anything .. just answer :)
16:26<abrotman>rook___: ifconfig -a .. do you see an 'ath0' ?
16:27<abrotman>rook___: yay.. wireless working!
16:27<abrotman>rook___: now .. does your wifi have wep/wap/nothing ?
16:27<abrotman>rook___: and dhcp ?
16:28<abrotman>okay ...
16:28<abrotman>`echo ath_pci >> /etc/modules` .. the >> is important
16:29<mordy^>how do i extract to a directory? it's a simple question, but i can't seem to find the answer
16:29<abrotman>rook___: then .. `nano /etc/network/interfaces` .... and at the bottom of the file add:
16:29*mordy^ is an idiot
16:29<abrotman>iface ath0 inet dhcp
16:29<abrotman> wireless-essid <your ESSID>
16:29<abrotman> wireless-key <wep key>
16:30<abrotman>auto ath0
16:30<rook___>brb, need to grab my wep key off other pc
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16:30<mordy^>is there a way to extract to a directory? i can't seem to find how :(
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16:32<wnd>mordy^, extract what?
16:32<mordy^>the contents of an archive
16:32<wnd>what kind of archive?
16:32<wnd>tar -C /where/to -xzf foo.tar.gz
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16:34<parkbench>ooh, linux
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16:35<rook___>`echo ath_pci >> /etc/modules` .. the >> is important <- what should i be seeing after this?
16:35<wnd>true, it would be safer to use gzip -cd foo.tar.gz | tar -C /where/to -xf -
16:36<mordy^>hmm... i followed dpkg's instructions re: ipw2200 - but what else do i do? it's still not working
16:36<rook___>nothing happens
16:36<wnd>but one just gets accustomed to gnu
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16:36<abrotman>rook___: did you close/save the file ?
16:36<rook___>i haven't ran those commands yet
16:37<rook___>i want to make sure i get that 1 right first
16:37<abrotman>oh .. you were supposed to add those lines to the file
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16:37<abrotman>rook___: after the >> line .. you won't see anything .. it will just make sure the wifi module is loaded at boot time
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16:37<sheldonh>still can't figure out debian's lsb-base init script deps *sigh*
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16:39<rook___>what should be in ESSID?
16:39<sheldonh>when you change an init script's Required-Start, do you need to run something to update a dependency cache or something? i can't for the life of me make my clvmd script start _after_ cman (without resorting to xxx_clvmd hacks)
16:40<mordy^>do i reboot now? :-? i've downloaded the ipw2200 firmware and extracted it to /lib/firmware - now what?
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16:41<valdyn>sheldonh: no
16:41<abrotman>rook___: your AP SSID
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16:41<abrotman>rook___: the AP you associate with
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16:42<valdyn>sheldonh: debian does not use these fields yet by default, for all i know
16:42<sheldonh>valdyn: hahaha, that explains why a) it isn't working, and b) abrotman said it wouldn't
16:43<valdyn>sheldonh: i dont really know the current status precisely
16:43<abrotman>sheldonh: don't pick on me because i'm american!
16:43<sheldonh>man, dependency-free base systems are so nineties :)
16:43<valdyn>sheldonh: afaik these fields are supposed to be there to be used one day
16:43<sheldonh>abrotman: yeah, i gotta find another reason :)
16:43<rook___>ohh, SSID is just the name of the network, right?
16:43<abrotman>sheldonh: you could try upstart .. it may respect those deps
16:43<valdyn>sheldonh: and things like insserv, that is optional in debian do use them
16:43<rook___>like if you were viewing it in available network in windows?
16:43<abrotman>rook___: yes
16:44<wnd>upstarts seems to be still in experimental
16:44<abrotman>it is
16:44<valdyn>sheldonh: upstart is an entire init replacement, insserv just generates that "database" ( thats just the links in /etc/rc*.d/ ) from the dependency fields
16:44<abrotman>but it's gotta work better tha init-ng .. which when i tried it .. the system didn't even start
16:44<valdyn>insserv works fine, almost
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16:45<valdyn>( unless you activate parallel execution of the init scripts )
16:45<wnd>when you install upstart be sure to install startup-taks and upstart-compat-sysv too :-)
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16:45<sheldonh>valdyn: lot of work for one broken dependency. i reckon i'll just advise the customer to use rc.local :)
16:46<valdyn>sheldonh: sure, I do that
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16:46<sheldonh>valdyn: i'm amazed that this is the case with even lenny. i'm not used to finding debian miles behind :)
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16:46<rook___>ok, what was the save command? ctrl?
16:46<valdyn>sheldonh: debian always is
16:46<sheldonh>valdyn: (only started using debian as of etch, and it seemed pretty fresh)
16:46<valdyn>sheldonh: its always been stable > latest
16:47<abrotman>rook___: ctrl-o .. then ctrl-x to quit
16:47<valdyn>sheldonh: as long as its only about individual packages, alright, but stuff affecting hundreds of packages, debian is _very_ conservative
16:47<rook___>ok, done. how do i test? do i need to disable lan card?
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16:48<sheldonh>valdyn: so if i were the package maintainer for clvm, how would i make sure that clvmd gets started after cman but before gfs-tools, keeping in mind that gfs-tools mounts filesystems?
16:48<valdyn>sheldonh: i dont know how debian does it really, i think they use fixed numbers
16:48<sheldonh>valdyn: runlevel space isn't wide enough to use abrotman's suggestion
16:48<abrotman>rook___: you would take out your LAN cable and '/etc/init.d/networking restart`
16:48<abrotman>sheldonh: what did i say? upstart?
16:48<sheldonh>abrotman: no, runlevels :)
16:49<abrotman>sheldonh: i didn't mean runlevels .. i meant the NN part of the script symlink
16:49<abrotman>sheldonh: such as .. make your own and make it run S88 or whatever
16:49<sheldonh>abrotman: ahhhh.
16:49<rook___>ok, ill give it a try. if it doesnt work im assuming re-seat network cable and apply command again?
16:49<abrotman>sheldonh: sorry
16:49<valdyn>sheldonh: so hed just have to fix the startup number / priority and bug the maintainers of other package of no number is free
16:49*sheldonh sees the light
16:49<rook___>so i can get back here
16:49<abrotman>rook___: if it doesn't work .. you can come back here and yell at us :)
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16:50<abrotman>rook___: but yes .. you would reconnect the LAN cable .. and '/etc/init.d/networking restart` again
16:50<rook___>:) Thanks. brb.. hopefully on wireless.
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16:50<valdyn>sheldonh: same thing you could do manually too, btw
16:50<sheldonh>valdyn: but where the hell do those symlink numbers come from?
16:51<sheldonh>valdyn: update-rc.d must get 'em from _somewhere_?
16:51<valdyn>sheldonh: they are set in the postins scripts of each package
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16:51<sheldonh>valdyn: *gulp*. so if i update-rc.d X remove and then update-rc.d X defaults, i may have the wrong numbers?
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16:52<valdyn>sheldonh: run "grep update-rc.d /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst" and see the ugliness
16:52<valdyn>sheldonh: yes, thats a fucked up thing to do
16:52<valdyn>sheldonh: update-rc.d is hard to use correctly, which is why its not for users, as the manpage sais
16:52<sheldonh>i wonder how many things i've broken along the way like that
16:53<sheldonh>valdyn: what are users supposed to use instead?
16:53<valdyn>sheldonh: thats in the debian refrence somewhere, i dont like it
16:53<valdyn>sheldonh: and i dont quite remember
16:53<valdyn>sheldonh: i dont use that shit.
16:53<Hideo>probably apt-get --reinstall is better?
16:53<wnd>I don't think users don't need to do that kind of things in the first place
16:54<valdyn>sheldonh: I do chmod -x /etc/init.d/script or somethign like that
16:54<valdyn>sheldonh: which is not recommended, but its easy and it works for me, contrary to the mess that update-rc.d can do if used wrongly
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16:55<abrotman>rook_: how'd you make out ?
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16:56<valdyn>sheldonh: mostly i use rc.local now and leave debian stuff alone entirely, when possible
16:56<mordy^>with a lady, obviously (or a man) :-?
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16:57<sheldonh>valdyn: funny how the gross hack becomes the recommended approach in the end :)
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16:58<MrChriZ>I godt problems setting up Apache2/PHP5 to show danish letters (æøå) in html-files loaded with IE7 .. can anyone help?
16:59<abrotman>does it work in other browsers?
17:00<rootmos>my system wont boot since i upgraded the kernel via apt it works with an older kernel-image i just get stuck in busybox
17:00<rootmos>i have a screen shot here
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17:01<rootmos>i am clueless i am using md and lvm
17:01<rootmos>and i can mount the / filesystem manually
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17:03<rook_>no luck, i rebooted my router and the linux box and tried that command again
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17:03<abrotman>rook_: double checked your ESSID and wep key ?
17:03<rook_>when i put them in, you wanted me to leave out the < > right?
17:04<abrotman>rook_: paste the file in /msg
17:04<rook_>linux box no longer has connection
17:04<abrotman>did you plug it back in ?
17:05<rook_>no, will i have to reboot or run that command again?
17:05<abrotman>plug the LAN back in .. and rerun that command
17:08<mordy^>how do i install fwcutter? apt-get says it can't find the package
17:09<abrotman>mordy^: apt-cache search fwcutter
17:09<abrotman>mordy^: and you need contrib sources
17:09<mordy^>yes, figured that after i asked the question. doh
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17:12<mordy^>and the ipw2200? i downloaded and extracted the firmware - whatdoi do now?
17:13<dpkg>The module is built into the kernel from etch onwards but you need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. See For sarge, ask me about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>
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17:13<mordy^>abrotman - i did that all already
17:13<abrotman>/msg dpkg ipw2200 troubleshooting
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17:16<amphi>mordy^: put it in /lib/firmware
17:16<rook__>ok, whats the command to bring up the networking file?
17:16<amphi>mordy^: _not_ in a subdirectory thereof
17:16<mordy^>ok, let me check
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17:17<abrotman>rook__: cat /etc/network/interfaces
17:17<mordy^>hmm.. it's there
17:18<mordy^>modprobe ipw2200 - "unable to load firmware"
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17:19<rook__>let me double check my wep key on my windows box.
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17:20<abrotman>rook__: ifconfig -a .. how many devices do you see? lo/eth0/ath0 .. right ?
17:20<mordy^>and i'm positive i have the 2200 - lspci says so
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17:22<rook__>ath0, eth0, eth1, lo, sit0, wifi0
17:23<amphi>mordy^: either you have the wrong fw version, or it's in the wrong place
17:24<mordy^>i followed all the steps to the letter - and encountered no errors. nevertheless, i'll check again
17:25<abrotman>rook__: let me paste my interfaces file to give you an idea
17:27<amphi>mordy^: I had such a card, and it worked fine
17:27<abrotman>rook__: so for you .. i'd guess instead of 'eth1' .. you'd configure ath0
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17:28<rook__>ath0 = wireless card? or is it wifi0?
17:30<mordy^>ok, worked - i downloaded the wrong firmware
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17:31<abrotman>i'd guess ath0
17:31<amphi>mordy^: PEBCAK again, eh? ;)
17:32<mordy^>lol amphi
17:33<mordy^>err... one more thing - how do i configure a static IP for the wifi?
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17:33<Hideo>man interfaces
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17:33<dpkg>Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route>
17:34<rook__>ok, should i replace the 2 iface commands with ath0?
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17:35<abrotman>you can leave your eth0 in there .. that's your backup in case the wifi fails
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17:36<mordy^>is there a GUI for interfaces?
17:37<witte>mordy^: try network-admin, which is in the gnome-system-tools package
17:38<mordy^>doesn't let me configure a static ip for my wifi though
17:38<amphi>mordy^: just edit /etc/network/interfaces - the gui things seem more trouble than they're worth
17:39<mordy^>i'll just need to find the man
17:39<qq>mordy^: that is a non sense for a wifi >>> iface static
17:40<mordy^>qq, i just have some p2p programs, and i turned off DHCP in my router because i play around a lot with tftp
17:40<mordy^>if i have a static IP, i don't have to change the host in the router each time
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17:45<qq>mordy^: hmmm, tftp with DHCP off?
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17:45<shze>i have only software rendering on my i855 in testing: '(EE) AIGLX error: drmMap of framebuffer failed (Invalid argument)'. how can i get direct rendering working?
17:45<infotron>eieio with purple monkey toe
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17:47<amphi>qq: why can't you have a static wireless iface?
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17:47<mordy^>amphi - how can i have a wireless static iface? :((
17:48<abrotman>easily ..
17:48<amphi>mordy^: give it an ip address outside the router's dhcp range, set the gateway, set your resolv.conf, done
17:49<amphi>mordy^: you could also configure the router to give your mac address the same ip address by dhcp every time
17:49<qq>amphi: we can , but is a non sense for me ...
17:49<mordy^>but i don't know how to give it a static ip - i edited the interface file - i copied the settings from eth0 and changed the device to eth1
17:50<amphi>qq: useful with useless routers that can't reserve an ip address for a particular mac
17:50<mordy^>since i use the same address for both - it's either/or
17:50<abrotman>do the 'wireless-tools' work with madwifi drivers ?
17:50<qq>amphi: sure
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17:51<amphi>abrotman: to some extent, at least
17:51<Hideo>abrotman: yes, except when you want to create another ath device, in which case you need madwifi-tools
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17:51<abrotman>as far as 'iwlist ath0 scanning' ?
17:52<Hideo>yes that should work
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17:52*Hideo has a tp x60s :P
17:52<mordy^>maybe i can do it via ifconfig?
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17:56<amphi>abrotman: which do you currently enjoy?
17:56<abrotman>amphi: baseball!
17:57<abrotman>which of what?
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17:57<abrotman>amphi: oh .. a G40 .. it's a few years old .. i'm looking at maybe upgrading it
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17:58<amphi>oh - I didn't know of G series - seems to have been shortlived, from thinkwiki
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17:59<abrotman>amphi: it was the "Desktop Replacement" series
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18:02<deepy>I setup a 32bit enviroment with debootrap and chroot
18:02<deepy>How do I get the applications in there to work?
18:02<deepy>Err, the ones that use X that is.
18:02<mordy^>gah, now how do i add a gateway?
18:03<abrotman>amphi: it weighs a fair bit .. but at the time it used mostly desktop parts in a laptop.. and it was well supported by linux
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18:03<abrotman>i think i'd rather get something now that is smaller/lighter .. i may pass on the new TP and get something like the eeepc
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18:04<Hideo>abrotman: the asus aspire one looks good, better than the eeepc imo
18:04<noflash>mordy^, man route
18:04<abrotman>Hideo: i've just been half-assedly looking ..
18:04<abrotman>Hideo: this laptop is 4yrs old or so .. so an upgrade for this would be nice
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18:05<amphi>abrotman: I find my new X series very pleasant
18:05<Hideo>it probably has another 4 more years left in it :P
18:05<abrotman>i'd probably get a T61
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18:06<abrotman>Hideo: a DD could make good use of it .. if i actually replace it
18:06<Hideo>I love the X series
18:06<amphi>too big for my taste
18:06<abrotman>amphi: i don't travel with mine much .. so a T61 would be fine
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18:06<Hideo>abrotman: DD?
18:06<dpkg>well, dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd
18:06<filemonkey7>Hey guys, can anyone help me install vnc? :)
18:07<amphi>Hideo: dreamlinux developer ;)
18:08<abrotman>that doesn't even appear to have wifi ... bleh
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18:09<mordy^>what am i doing now? "route add -net netmask dev eth1" - "netmask doesn't match hsot address"
18:09<deepy>Is it possible for applications in a chroot enviroment to use the X server outside the chroot?
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18:11<Jyce>mordy: route add -net netmask dev eth1 would work better.
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18:13<mordy^>i give up :(
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18:16<Hideo>hmm that is out of date
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18:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:23<^^MiLy^^>can you help me with a problem?
18:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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18:25<mordy^>i found something here - seems it's a lot more complicated than i thought - thanks for google
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18:28<sime>anyone knows why epiphany and iceweasel starts in offline mode?
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18:31<amphi>sime: someone said network-manager or some such was to blame
18:32<sime>can i get rid of network-manager...i use ifconfig...?
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18:32<amphi>I guess - but perhaps someone should confirm what I said ;)
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18:34<^^MiLy^^>i have a problem with a inalambric card, debian doesn't recognize the card
18:36<abrotman>lspci -nn .. what is the PCI ID ?
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18:39<^^MiLy^^>doesnt figure in the list
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18:39<abrotman>it's not PCI ?
18:40<^^MiLy^^>yes, but not figure with "lspci .."
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18:41<mordy^>ok, now i really need some help - now i can't connect to the internet at all - not even when it's wired
18:42<mordy^>although i'm able to successfully ping my router
18:42<Jyce>Try to ping "Internet" from your router first
18:43<mordy^>i'm using that router now from this computer, and as you can see, my intetnet is working
18:43<mordy^>or am i seeing things again :-<
18:43<Jyce>Do you have a default gw ?
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18:43<mordy^>i don't know what i did - i think i changed something while trying to change something else etc. etc.
18:44<Jyce>Give us route -n
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18:44<mordy^>ahh.. the gateway is wrong
18:46<mordy^>, .,
18:46<mordy^>( is my router, .11 is the static IP of my computer, or at least supposed to be the static ip :(
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18:49<abrotman>if it's PCI .. it's in the list .. try `update-pciids` .. then lspci -nn again
18:50<mordy^>what do i do now? is there a GUI for any of this? the only thing i have is "network tools" - but that doesn't let me change anything - it only lets me view :(
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18:50<deepy>I followed that
18:50<deepy>But it didn't seem to work :p
18:50<deepy>When I started gdm it seemed to fail
18:51<deepy>It just blinked
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18:53<abrotman>gah .. change your nick ..i'm not typing in the carets
18:53<abrotman>do you not have network at all ?
18:54<mordy^>me? well, i have two computers..
18:54<abrotman>not you
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18:54<abrotman>the guy with carets in his nick
18:54<mordy^>it could be me too, but i only have one :(
18:55<qq>^^MiLy^^: ^^^^^
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18:55<^^MiLy^^>i am not a guy eh
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18:56<mordy^>yeah, mily doesn't sound rather masculine - but i've heard women refer to their gynous counterparts as 'guys'
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18:57<abrotman>Mily: thank you
18:57<Mily>ah okay
18:57<abrotman>Mily: does the machine have internet ?
18:57<abrotman>Mily: run `update-pciids`
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18:57<mordy^>but what can i do with my internet?
18:57<abrotman>Mily: as root
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18:58<Jyce>mordy: open a term a type route del -net netmask gw and then route add -net netmask gw
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19:01<abrotman>Mily: lspci -nn ... do you see the device ?
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19:01<KillerX>can someone help me plz ?
19:01<abrotman>!tell KillerX about ask
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19:02<KillerX>kk xD
19:02<Mily>no i dont
19:02<abrotman>Mily: put it in a pastebin
19:02<mordy^>how do i stop a ping?
19:02<abrotman>hit ctrl-c
19:03<mordy^>err... wait, it's still pinging :-<
19:03<KillerX>Im using the lenny version and i get errors using any of aptitude, apt-get synaptic etc. I get this error: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. After that ofc i run the command they ask: dpkg --configure -a, i get this output:
19:03<KillerX>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of perl:
19:03<dpkg>wish i knew, KillerX
19:03<KillerX> perl depends on perl-base (= 5.10.0-10+lenny1); however:
19:03<KillerX> Version of perl-base on system is 5.10.0-10.
19:03<KillerX> perl depends on perl-modules (>= 5.10.0-10+lenny1); however:
19:03<KillerX> Version of perl-modules on system is 5.10.0-10.
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19:04<KillerX>i get this output:
19:04<KillerX>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of perl:
19:04<dpkg>KillerX: I give up, what is it?
19:04<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
19:04<abrotman>you may need lenny security sources
19:05<KillerX>here is the output:
19:05<abrotman>KillerX: can you paste your sources.list in a ppastebin ?
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19:07<KillerX>abrotman, ill past on same site
19:07<mordy^>hmm.. internet still not working
19:07<mordy^>what's google's ip?
19:08<KillerX>my sources.list is there:
19:08<cogwheel>mordy^, and
19:09<cogwheel>pick one :>
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19:10<abrotman>KillerX: run aptitude updat e.. try again
19:10<abrotman>aptitude update
19:10<mordy^>hmm... something is wrong - i get "netmask is unreachable"
19:11<mordy^>hmm... i don't think i can ping anything
19:11<cogwheel>if that's the case how come are you here?!
19:11<mordy^>i have two computers
19:13<KillerX>abrotman, i can run update but not upgrade
19:13<mordy^>sigh, what do i do?
19:13<KillerX>and with update it only runs on read-only mode
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19:13<abrotman>i wonder if one of your mirrors is out of date
19:14<KillerX>Aptitude update Error here:
19:14<KillerX>they are working..
19:14<KillerX>my bro uses the same mirrors
19:15<abrotman>it tells you what to do
19:15<KillerX>and i do it
19:15<KillerX>and get the error i already told :)
19:15<KillerX>the perl one
19:16<KillerX>when i run the #dpkg --configure -a output:
19:16<KillerX>its strange bc i have the version it asks but without the +lenny1 :\
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19:19<KillerX>any suggestions :\
19:19<qq>KillerX: done an new, after made changes proposed in sources.list ? >>>> apt-get update
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19:20<abrotman>Mily: if it's not in the lspci .. your system has no hope of seeing it .. try another slot
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19:21<deepy>I setup a chroot enviroment using debootstrap and copied over my xorg.conf
19:21<deepy>But X gives me a No devices detected :(
19:22<deepy>How do I solve it?
19:22<KillerX>qq, what changed in sources-list ?
19:22<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or
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19:23<Mily>amm bue
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19:24<KillerX>abrotman, what are the lenny security sources ?
19:24<KillerX>what i need to add in the sources.list ?
19:25<abrotman>you alreay have them
19:25<KillerX>damn :\
19:25<KillerX>so i have nothing to make :(
19:25<KillerX>will i need to reinstall debian :( ?
19:25<KillerX>no solution to my problem ?
19:25<abrotman>no .. just wait
19:25<qq>KillerX: ah , sorry, just apt-get update
19:25<Mily>and my problem?
19:26<KillerX>qq, i already did that, same error
19:26<qq>[01:25:45] <abrotman> no .. just wait
19:26<KillerX>E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
19:26<KillerX>that is the error in apt-get update
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19:28<qq>hmm . apt-get update don't do that , just run ??/ apt-get update
19:28<gawz>ive had bad luck with ext3 file system. is nfs better?
19:28*deepy laffs
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19:28<Mily>abrotman, can't do anything else?
19:29<abrotman>Mily: it may be a hardware issue .. try anothe rslot
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19:30<qq>KillerX: ^^^^^
19:31<KillerX>im here :P
19:31<qq>run >>>> apt-get update
19:31<KillerX>did that :\
19:31<qq>re do
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19:31<KillerX>same error
19:31<KillerX>it updates then : E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
19:31<qq>[01:28:08] <qq> hmm . apt-get update don't do that , just run apt-get update
19:32<KillerX>u want the full output :| ?
19:33<KillerX>full output:
19:33<qq>KillerX: no, I want you to do "apt-get update"
19:33<KillerX>i did :|
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19:33<KillerX>and get that output
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19:35<qq>KillerX: apt-get update , don't do any apt/dpkg things
19:35<Mily>abotman, but in ubuntu i didnt have a problem, why here it is?
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19:36<KillerX>qq, what u mean ? i just run the command apt-get update nothing else :| i didnt any apt or dpkg command :|
19:36<qq>is your point , not mine
19:37<KillerX>have u read the output qq ?
19:38<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
19:38<mordy^>qq, not only have i not managed to get a static ip on my wifi, i also seem to have messed up my wired connection as well
19:38<abrotman>mordy^: paste your interfaces file in a pastebin
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19:40<mordy^>abrotman, i wish i could - but the computer doesn't want to connect to the network - so i can't paste anything
19:40<abrotman>so fix it
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19:40<abrotman>fix the wired connection .. or turn it to dhcp
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19:41<mordy^>hmm.. maybe i'll turn on DHCP - one sec..
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19:41<KillerX>abrotman, any more suggestions on what should i make :P ?
19:41<vladimir>hello to everyone
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19:42<deepy>I setup a chroot enviroment using debootstrap and copied over my xorg.conf
19:42<vladimir>how do i can change te server?
19:42<deepy>But X gives me a No devices detected :(
19:42<abrotman>te server?
19:42<vladimir>a the server
19:42<abrotman>KillerX: checked ?
19:42<abrotman>a the server?
19:42<vladimir>i from chile
19:42<abrotman>which server?
19:42<vladimir>there is a server in my country
19:43<dpkg>it has been said that debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or
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19:45<KillerX>abrotman, for what pckgs ?
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19:45<abrotman>the two packages that are broken
19:46<KillerX>i already re-compiled perl
19:46<KillerX>and same error
19:46<KillerX>maybe i should try to re-install dpkg ?
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19:47<mordy^_>abrotman - if i delete the interface configuration file, will a new one be created or automatically configured?
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19:47<Mily>i dont have this problem on Windows because it reconizes it, but not here, wouldn't it be something else?
19:47<abrotman>Mily: i told you .. change the slot .. lspci doesn't see it
19:47<mordy^_>as i have turned DHCP on, but still nothing seems to work :(
19:47<abrotman>!whats my hardware
19:47<dpkg>You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny!
19:48<abrotman>mordy^_: how about you just fix it
19:48<deepy>abrot, you always solve the problems I got :D
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19:50<deepy>darn :/
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19:51<Mily>ok abrotman
19:51<Mily>i will try tyaht
19:51<mordy>not to mention that when i turn on DHCP, my router assigns an IP to that MAC from a different subnet (don't ask... long story)
19:52<abrotman>Mily: you're sure it's PCI ?
19:52<abrotman>Mily: your system has ISA .. so i just want to make sure
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19:53<mordy>how do i 'remove' an interface?
19:53<abrotman>from where?
19:53<Mily>yes, it is PCI
19:53<mordy>from my router. i once set up a 'virtual interface' and now i don't know how to remove it
19:53<Mily>i am sure
19:54<mordy>it runs linux
19:54<deepy>Got ifconfig?
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19:59<newsense> anyone here burn dvd's, if so whats a nice program with a gui to burn dvd and cd ?
19:59<abrotman>newsense: gnome? kde? something else?
20:00<newsense>could be kde app or other
20:00<abrotman>k3b in kde
20:00<Mily>abtorman i am sure, it is pci
20:00<newsense>]sounds farmiliar think thats what i used to use, cool thanks
20:01<qq>k3b seems to have a bug right now
20:01<qq>newsense: ^^^^
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20:02<deepy>I got a AMD64 architecture, I want iceape/firefox with flash. what do I do :p?
20:02<qq>newsense: take a look to BTS for
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20:03<newsense>whats bts ?
20:03<abrotman>qq: he didn't even say which version of debian
20:03<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> .
20:03<newsense>bug tracking system
20:03<newsense>ahh ok
20:03<newsense>k3b is buggy im guessing
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20:04<abrotman>newsense: which version of debian are you on ?
20:04<mordy>play around too much and you end up pulling a cable :|
20:04<qq>deepy: google for 'microsoft debian flash 64' the first hit shows a deeper discussion
20:07<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or
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20:09<deepy>deb lenny main contrib non-free
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20:09<deepy>Is there anything wrong with that?
20:10<qq>just work here
20:10<deepy>Because when I use it, I can't find packages that ARE in Lenny contrib
20:10<deepy>E: Couldn't find package ia32-libs
20:11<qq>change the mirror than
20:12<deepy>Ah, good idea
20:12<deepy>Thank you
20:13<deepy>Still same issue
20:13<deepy>Now with
20:15<qq>32 or 64 ?
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20:17<deepy>I apparently have a i386 system
20:17<deepy>Which comes as a surprise to me
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20:18<deepy>Isn't there a flashplugin for i386?
20:18<qq>where ?
20:18<qq>no more
20:19<deepy>But I have already installed it :p
20:19<qq>try adobe
20:19<deepy>can't hurt to try
20:20<deepy>Isn't the installation path /usr/lib/mozilla/?
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20:29<dpkg>hmm... flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see
20:29<witte>!adobe flash
20:29<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see; use the one from (ask me about <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see
20:30<deepy>Great, it required a dir called components
20:34<qq>how do you know that ?
20:35<deepy>strace :D
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20:56<rrm>how can i update the menus
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21:20<Mily>hi again
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21:58<Mily>hi again, abrotman, i did what you told me but is the same
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22:00<abrotman>Mily: and you're sure lspci doesn't show it ?
22:01<abrotman>!whats my hardware
22:01<dpkg>You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny!
22:01<abrotman>hwinfo or lshw might also be useful
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22:01<mtnman>more like "ooh, dusty!"
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22:02<Mily>yes i'm sure
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22:03<Mily>can you see?
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22:04<abrotman>can i see what?
22:05<Curtis>my sound does not work
22:05<Curtis>can someone help?
22:05<Mily>lspci show
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22:08<abrotman>Mily: that's VMware
22:08<Curtis>can anyone help?
22:09<amphi>Curtis: run alsaconf as root
22:09<Curtis>i need the sound to work
22:09<abrotman>Mily: how does vmware pass a PCI device to the vm ?
22:09<Mily>i don't know
22:09<Curtis>amphi: reload or no?
22:10<amphi>Curtis: eh?
22:10<Curtis>or legacy
22:11<Curtis>amphi: what one should i choose?
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22:16<Mily>abrotman, please, that i can do?
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22:18<abrotman>ask the vmware people ... you need to figure out how to access a real physical device from the VM
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22:25<Mily>am ok, thanks :)
22:26*qq stop using vmware or exit vmware
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22:28<kingsley>Is it normal for a partition to be mounted once as "/", and again as "/dev/.static/dev"?
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22:29<Mily>qq, me?
22:29<abrotman>kingsley: stop posting on both networks
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23:15<fanghorn>Just completed an update of Unstable and I get this error when beginning X:
23:16<fanghorn>one sec. :)
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23:16<curtis>how can i join the linux mint chat?
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23:17<dpkg>hmm... linux mint is a distribution based on Ubuntu. It is not Debian and we're unable to assist. Go /join @ See <Based on Debian>., or
23:17<gsimmons>curtis: ^^^^^
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23:18<curtis>no that is not correct
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23:18<curtis>there is no one else in that chat
23:18<qq>so it is correct !
23:19<fanghorn>the error is this: /usr/bin/X11/X: symbol lookup error /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers// undefined symbol xf86GTFMode. Any ideas what I blew up?
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23:20<qq>fanghorn: known bug , try BTS
23:20<fanghorn>qq: Danke. Peace.
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23:28<qq>fanghorn: if you don't need vesa driver all is ok , means you may run X
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23:54<adiction>spanish or english language here?
23:55<enouf>see #debian-es for spanish
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23:58<adiction>but enouf you speak spanish ?
23:58<enouf>adiction: sure
23:58<enouf>adiction: your english seems fine so far
23:59<enouf>adiction: oh crap , sorry
23:59<enouf>i thought you said english .. duh
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