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00:00<adiction>enouf speak in private?
00:00<enouf>adiction: there's also a portuguese channe l -- but try #debain-es on
00:01<enouf>adiction: if you must .. but no need to
00:01<enouf>adiction: i prefer not
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00:01<enouf>but i feel bad for those when language is an issue ..
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00:07<enouf>it sucks things can't be communicated across all languages . .especially knowledge
00:07<enouf>adiction: but really, has quite a few busy and large #debian* channels
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00:07<enouf>this one is great too - sometimes not as busy - but the -es ones and other languages, i don't know for sure
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00:07<adiction>enouf I have problems whit my wireless card
00:07<enouf>see this network is where the supposed 'official' channels reside - and many of the lists on lists.debian,org are also channels here
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00:07<enouf>erm .org
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00:09<enouf>adiction: i'm not good with wifi issues
00:09<StevenX>Hello everyone. I just installed debian but I am having a problem. On boot, it says that it cannot start x server because it is not configured properly. Can anyone give me some detailed steps on how to fix this?
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00:09<adiction>this is my problem , the wireless card
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00:10<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>.
00:11<StevenX>enouf, thanks for the help. How do I get into root? Do I type root as login and then my root password?
00:11<StevenX>and the command "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
00:12<enouf>yes, or you can use sudo
00:12<enouf>if you use sudo , use your user passwd
00:12<StevenX>enouf, thanks, will try that now. gracias
00:12<chealer>StevenX: not unless you give more details.
00:13<StevenX>chealer, there are no more details I can give. That's the error I get on boot.
00:13<StevenX>I will try enouf's method, and will report back here. thank you.
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00:13<enouf>shot in the dark .. oh well
00:16<adiction>ok , thanks enouf, bye
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00:17<enouf>heh, i actually know how to say this; "mi no bueno con wifi" :-P
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00:18<enouf>but, i'm glad atleast he understood some english
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00:27<StevenX>Hello. I get a "no screens found" error when I boot up and the system tries to start x server. Can anyone helb me out with detailed instructions on how to fix this?
00:29<gsimmons>!no screens found
00:29<dpkg>rumour has it, screens found is not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or /var/log/XFree86.0.log for XFree86) more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about <troubleshooting x>.
00:29<StevenX>where are these logs located? and can i access them from a vista box?
00:30<devnull>wtf? He just told you where the logs were.
00:30<newsense>and why not the linux box itself ?
00:30<devnull>you can login over SSH to the debian box from vista, yes
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00:31<devnull>Could anyone help me getting an IDE tape drive working in debian? My box is seeing the drive as /dev/hde, but its not listing at something sane like /dev/st0 or /dev/ht0. I've tried putting in a kernel option of "hde=ide-tape" but this seems to have done nothing at all. Help?
00:32<StevenX>newsense: i want to paste the files into #flood or something like that so someone can see what is really wrong with xserver
00:32<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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00:37<niru>has debian has any pacth for kernel that will work in hp machines
00:38<niru>I have installed debian in hp compaq dc7800p
00:38<niru>but the system never shut downs it says system halted and hangs
00:38<gsimmons>devnull: Is the ide-tape module loaded?
00:39<niru>any body
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00:40<newsense>niru, whatsthe ?
00:41<niru>newsense, I have a hp machine which does not shutdown with debian
00:41<niru>newsense, my kernel version is 2.6.22-3-486
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00:43<niru>newsense, even for starting the machine i am giving acpi=off
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00:43<niru>but due to this the system doe not shutdown
00:44<Canadian>how old is the machine?
00:45<newsense>what architecture ?
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00:46<niru>Canadian, its a new machine
00:46<niru>newsense, amd
00:46<niru>newsense, its i386
00:48<devnull>gsimmons: I can check using modprobe, right?
00:48<devnull>but I only know how to add/remove modules
00:48<devnull>not sure how to check if loaded
00:49<newsense>niru have you tried halt -p
00:49<gsimmons>devnull: lsmod | grep ide-tape, load it via modprobe should it not appear.
00:49<newsense>and shutdown -h
00:49<devnull>ah okay
00:49<niru>newsense, yes every alternative
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00:50<niru>newsense, that command halts the machine
00:50<niru>newsense, system halted
00:51<devnull>gsimmons: Did a modprobe ide-tape, but it just hangs :-/
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00:51<devnull>gsimmons: It doesn't complete the command, it just sits their till I ctrl+c it
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00:53<orangeroot1000>does anyone have an idea of how to get psad configured/uninstalled/reconfigured so I can use apt-get/dpkg... i tried to install the other missing dependencies at the same time and im getting an error that psad is in a bad state and needs to be reinstalled before removal... nothing ive done has worked to fix the problem
00:53<gsimmons>devnull: Look at your dmesg output.
00:55<devnull>gsimmons: Hey! It seems to have added "ide-tape: hde <-> ht0" however /dev/ht0 does not seem to exist.... :-(
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00:56<oscar_>hola alguien me puede ayudar?
00:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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00:58<devnull>gsimmons: I did a MAKEDEV ht0, seeing if it works now
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00:59<devnull>gsimmons: I did a MAKEDEV ht0, but /dev/ht0 still does not exist
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01:13<orangeroot1000>no one has any idea how to get apt/dpkg to fix an install issue?
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01:22<Lounge>what a pain it is to try and encrypt the /root partition
01:22<Lounge>for me that is
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01:24<Lounge>encrypting spawp & home was easy - still trying to figure out how to get /tmp and /root to encrypt without hanging at bootup >:(
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01:26<devnull>Lounge: Well, at least its very easy to encrypt everything during initial install
01:27<Lounge>well lol
01:27<Lounge>would need to do it all over again get the lvm going - if i only knew then what i know now :|
01:28<Lounge>reinstalling that is
01:28<Canadian>could someone give me a few pointers with samba? I think i'm having some authentication problems
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01:29<Lounge>samba is for networking into mswindows machines, right?
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01:30<Canadian>yeah, i have on computer on the network that is windows.
01:30<kapil>Lounge: perhaps this is what you need <>
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01:30<Lounge>which computer is logging into which computer?
01:31<Lounge>like is your windows machine trying to connect to the 'nix machine or vice'verse?
01:31<Canadian>well curently no computers will loginto the server with any user names. 1 mac, 1 linux, 1 windows.
01:32<Canadian>everything to a linux server.
01:32<Canadian>2nd linux server to claraify.
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01:33<syntech>why doesn't adobe flash add-on work?
01:33<Lounge>if i remember right, there needs to be created user accounts on the server, name & pass so the clients can use to connect
01:33<Canadian>ok, so i cant sync it with the passwd setup that i use now?
01:33<dpkg>hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
01:33<jm_>syntech: it does work
01:34<jm_>Canadian: of course you can
01:34<syntech>jm_: heyyyy i remember you
01:34<syntech>( m4k0 )
01:34<syntech> if you remember that :<
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01:34<Canadian>is that a wise choice?
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01:35<Canadian>to use unix shell acounts as samba accounts?
01:36<jm_>it's mandatory in default config
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01:42<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know how to stop the root file system / from being "busy" during shutdown, so that it can be cleanly unmounted?
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01:43<m4k0_>kingsley: i've never had a problem like that :<
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01:43<kingsley>m4k0_: Until a few days ago, neither had I.
01:44<Lounge>could be waiting for samba to shut down first
01:44<Lounge>the daemon and the network drives
01:45<Lounge>well that's one out of many reasons of a busy root
01:46<Lounge>for months i was having network manager errors while shutting down
01:46<Lounge>even sometimes would see a login screen and freeze after hitting the shutdown button
01:46<kingsley>Lounge: Yes, I think samba is plausible, and your reasoning is sound that other processes might also keep / busy.
01:47<kingsley>Lounge: Do you remember how you figured out it was samba?
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01:47<Lounge>might be an usefull info here
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01:47<Lounge>yes i know it's ubuntu but eh
01:48<Lounge>what the hey
01:49<spezticle>i need to install a realtek audio driver, and i dont know where to put it... the install --help gave this as insight: install [OPTION]... [-T] SOURCE DEST
01:49<jm_>spezticle: why do you think you need to do that?
01:49<spezticle>jm_ install the driver or use the options?
01:50<spezticle>install: missing file operand
01:50<kingsley>Lounge: For what it's worth, running fuser and lsof from within /etc/init.d/umountroot haven't revealed any processes that seem particularly suspicious to me.
01:50<spezticle>Try `install --help' for more information.
01:51<jm_>spezticle: install the driver
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01:51<spezticle>i have no audio
01:52<newsense>i do
01:52<Lounge>something must be trying to rush root
01:52<jm_>start with : cat /proc/asound/cards
01:52<Lounge>shutdown timing settings
01:53<Lounge>or something
01:53<kingsley>Lounge: Can you elaborate on what "rush" means?
01:53<Lounge>i'm just guessing
01:53<kingsley>Lounge: Perhaps I could try inserting "sleep 60" right before the (re)mount command in /etc/init.d/umountroot.
01:54<Lounge>is there a way to debug the output?
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01:54<Lounge>or see the output as its.. out putting?
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01:56<kingsley>Lounge: That's a fair question. Yes, the exact error message during shutdown is "mount: / is busy". As you can see via Google, a fair amount has been written about it on the web.
01:56<Lounge>lol how can google *not* be trivial...
01:57<kingsley>Lounge: However, if you happen to come up with particularly clever keywords to focus the search results with, please let me know.
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01:58<spezticle>HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB <-- does that look right for onboard Realtek hd audio?
01:58<jm_>like I said: cat /proc/asound/cards
01:58<kingsley>Lounge: What would you think of me pasting fuser's output into a #flood for you to check for suspicious processes?
01:59<Lounge>google would be "linux" "hair pulling" "won't shutdown" ???
01:59<Lounge>good keywords
01:59<kingsley>Lounge: Ha ha1
01:59<kingsley>Lounge: s/1/!/
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02:01<Lounge>it just sounds strange that its trying to unmount too early
02:01<spezticle>well if i don't need to install a driver, why might my sound not be working?
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02:02<Lounge>i am jack's eternal struggle over 1s & 0s
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02:06<Lounge>mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 C:\
02:06<Lounge>lol actually /media/C:\
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02:11<spezticle>i used volume control to change device from hd ati sb (alsa mixer) realtek alc888 OSS mixer and now it works fine... heh
02:11<jm_>that's ALSA FAQ
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02:12<jm_>don't forget to run alsactl store
02:12<spezticle>oops typed that wrong. from hd ati sb (alsa) TO realtek
02:12<spezticle>thanks jm_
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02:17<spezticle>apparently alsaconf or alsactl aren't installed? searched package manager and came up empty?
02:18<jm_>!tell spezticle -about search
02:18<jm_>read the part about apt-file
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02:30<Spenky86>ciao a tutti
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02:32<niru>Is there any pacth avaialable for kernel to make debian work in hp machine
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02:32<niru>the system halting issue
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02:33<jm_>what issue?
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02:36<niru>jm_, I machine does not shutdown it shows system halted
02:36<niru>jm_, even if I give shutdown -h now ,halt -p
02:36<niru>jm_, also acpi=off
02:36<niru>jm_, if I dont give acpi=off in kernel line the system does not start
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02:38<jm_>niru: use one of the 9 reboot= options and check if it helps
02:38<jm_>niru: ahh wait, it';s not about reboot, but about power-off?
02:38<niru>jm_, what are they
02:38<niru>jm_, yes
02:38<jm_>niru: yeah disabling acpi will not help here
02:39<niru>jm_, yes it is not helping
02:39<jm_>niru: I mean it's ACPI support that makes it power-off in first place, so it will not do that if you disable ACPI support
02:39<niru>jm_, so what I need to do
02:40<jm_>niru: figure out why ACPI doesn't work?
02:40<niru>jm_, if I dont give acpi=off my system does not start
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02:40<jm_>niru: yeah you need to find out why
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02:47<spezticle>thanks again jm_ and thanks for being patient, too. im still learning what all resources i have available, too
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02:48<jm_>anyone else here that is using gkrellm? are you also seeing its memoery usage increase significantly over time?
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02:55<sheldonh>to verify a cdrom i burned with wodim, can i just md5sum /dev/cdrom and see if the checksum matches the one for the iso, or is it more complicated than that?
02:55<jm_>sheldonh: yeah but make sure it verifies only the same amount of sectors
02:56<jm_>i usually use md5sum on files instead
02:56<sheldonh>jm_: aha! so div the size of the iso by 512 and provide that as a count argument to dd?
02:58<sheldonh>disappointing results from dd if=/dev/cdrom0 of=- bs=512 count=1315096 | md5sum -b
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02:59<sheldonh>jm_: i can't give the customer a broken lenny cd -- that's just too going too far :)
03:00<jm_>sheldonh: yes,
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03:02<jm_>sheldonh: iso images should be round to 2048 bytes though
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03:02<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
03:03<dpkg>i guess nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
03:03<sheldonh>jm_: ah. so something like rawread is a much better idea than doing it manually -- too much to consider in the heat of the moment when you've got -10 minutes to get to the customer
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03:04<rootmos>I can not boot my system after an initrd update i am getting stuck in busybox see for a screendump
03:05<rootmos>i am using md and lvm and it works with an older kernel and it is all debian images
03:05<rootmos>using lenny
03:05<jm_>sheldonh: there's also a debian specific iso check script on some italian ftp that's always too busy to login to
03:05<jm_>!tell KaiSVK -about msg
03:06<jm_>rootmos: check BTS
03:09<KaiSVK>jm_: ohh... I am sorry
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03:10<jm_>KaiSVK: no need to be, now you know how to use it ;)
03:10<KaiSVK>jm_: I am just strugling with nvidia drivers after kernel update :(((
03:10<jm_>KaiSVK: use m-a
03:10<jm_>!tell rootmos -about bts
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03:13<KaiSVK>jm_: I tried to, I am using testing :( so I am unable to install nvidia-glx etc.
03:13<jm_>KaiSVK: ahh yes, you need to use the version from unstable
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03:15<sheldonh>jm_: woot! rawread is the shit. i can now go deliver with confidence. pages of setup notes and an iso. should keep their guy happy for the rest of the week *beam*
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03:21<rootmos>how can i debug initrd?
03:21<jm_>debug what part about it?
03:21<rootmos>the boot process, just adding debug after linux did not get me more info.
03:22<rootmos>some but not much
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03:22<rootmos>i am trying to understand what it is missing
03:22<jm_>it's just a shell script
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03:28<mjk>Is there a program that can determine (quite) exactly/reliably how fast my memory is clocked? memtest86+ shows 358 MHz for my 333 MHz RAM, while it should actually be 312.5 MHz (as I have a CPU core clock multiplier of 12.5).
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03:37<mordy>can anyone help me with my network? i can't even ping my router - but i know there's a connection because the lights are on. it worked before but i think i changed something and now it just won't work -
03:38<rootmos>what have you changed?
03:38<mordy>*sigh* - i wish i knew. i think i changed something in the routing tables :-?
03:39<mjk>mordy: Well, does the output of "route" look right to you?
03:40<mordy>mjk, i don't know how it's supposed to look like. it "seems" right - but i wouldn't know: there's a single line -
03:41<mjk>mordy: Huh? Is that the /complete/ line?
03:41<mordy>ug, 0, 0, 0 eth0
03:41<jm_>is router in the same subnet? why don't you have a default gateway?
03:41<mjk>Ah, that's better =)
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03:42<mjk>jm_: Uhm, isn't the default?
03:42<mordy>yes, the router is in the same subnet. i think i deleted my default gateway :|
03:42<jm_>mjk: default gateway should have mask, not
03:42<mjk>jm_: Oooh ok
03:43<mordy>hmm.. let me try - how do i add it?
03:43<jm_>mjk: and seeing as it's the only line ...
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03:43<jm_>mordy: man interfaces
03:43<rootmos>mordy: just type route add default gateway "the ip to your gateway"
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03:47<petteri>hello. I'm having little trouble with my two screen setup. I have atis display card. On the second screen the mouse pointer is just corrupted square. After searchin with google this seems to be quite usual problem. I could not seem to find any solutions thought. Any here know how to get the mouse pointer working also on the second screen?
03:47<mordy>returns "no such proess" when i do "route add default gw 192...."
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03:53<rootmos>mordy: strange are yout typing route add default gw ?
03:53<mordy>yup - i googled it -and saw that it may be some bug - so i'm rebooting
03:54<Jyce>Rebooting is definitely not the solution (This is not Windows) :)
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03:58<mordy>hmm.. it works now - i can ping google
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03:58<mordy>how do i add a DNS server?
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03:59<Jyce>edit /etc/resolv.conf
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03:59<Jyce>and add nameserver xx.xx.xx.xx
04:00<morii_>hi, is it possible to get selectable x-popup menus running with the WM awesome 2.3.1 _and_ using the debian-menues created with update-menus? IMHO it has to be a 3rd party tool - but can't find some
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04:01<mordy>thanks Jyce - it works
04:01<eddieB>how do i find firefox in my fluxbox?
04:02<mordy>Jyce - rebooting was the solution though - i don't know what happened - but before i rebooted i couldn't even ping my router
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04:03<jm_>morii: it doesn't have hooks for update-menu?
04:04<morii>jm_: on etch - it doesn't
04:04<jm_>morii: ls /etc/menu-methods
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04:05<eddieB>i'm using vncviewer but i don't understand how to find/open firefox
04:05<morii>ls /etc/menu-methods - nothing for awesome
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04:05<jm_>eddieB: apt-get install iceweasel
04:05<eddieB>jm_ what's that?
04:06<jm_>eddieB: apt-cache show iceweasel
04:07<jm_>morii: well bug #484038 is somewhast related, otherwise file a bug
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04:08<eddieB>jm_: done. what do i do from there?
04:08<morii>jm_: thx
04:08<jm_>eddieB: did you read the description?
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04:10<eddieB>jm_: yes
04:10<jm_>eddieB: and installed it? so you have it available now
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04:10<eddieB>jm_: available where?
04:11<jm_>eddieB: on your debian system
04:11<eddieB>jm_: i know that. what i mean is how do i run it?
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04:13<tenzind>is there any place (online or otherwise) from where I can purchase Debian stickers for my laptop?
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04:14<eddieB>jm: everytime i click it. nothing happens
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04:15<rootmos>tenzind: firt hit on google
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04:17<ghost>hi all
04:17<ghost>does anyone know how to recover deleted maps from evolution?
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04:19<mordy>ok, this is weird - i fixed my wired connection - but my wifi connection doesn't seem to work. i can't ping anything - alhtough the router assigns me an IP address - i know it's the router assigning the address because it shows up in the router's configuration panel
04:22<jm_>eddieB: where do you click it?
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04:26<jm_>eddieB: try restarting your wm
04:27<eddieB>jm_: type reboot?
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04:28<jm_>eddieB: no, doesn't it have a restart option in the menus? not restart computer!
04:29<eddieB>jm_: okay i did that. and tried again and Mutt opens
04:29<jm_>eddieB: wtf, start it from a terminal then
04:30<eddieB>jm_: i'm not sure how to do that. wine iceweasel.exe?
04:30<jm_>eddieB: just "iceweasel"
04:31<eddieB>jm_: this is what i get. "(firefox-bin:1713): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"
04:32<jm_>eddieB: run it as user who has started X session
04:32<mordy>woohooo my wireless works!
04:32<eddieB>jm_: i am
04:33<jm_>eddieB: no you aren't
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04:33<eddieB>jm_: well i only have two users and i just tried it as both
04:34<jm_>eddieB: how do you start X?
04:34<eddieB>jm_: what is X?
04:34<jm_>eddieB: X window system
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04:35<eddieB>jm_: i use vncviewer
04:35<jm_>eddieB: ok in vncviewer, open a terminal and type "echo $DISPLAY" - what do you get back?
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04:36<jm_>so type iceweasel in this terminal
04:37<eddieB>jm_: Error: Cairo does not yes support the requested image format:
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04:41<mordy_>how do i find out which drivers are loaded for my graphics card?
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04:43<jm_>mordy_: in X logfile
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04:43<jm_>eddieB: hmm interesting one
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04:47<mordy_>everything seems ok. i'm wondering why it's so slow here - windows was quicker on this machine, i don't think that's supposed to happen
04:48<eddieB>jm_: any idea how to just get firefox working?
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04:53<jm_>eddieB: to be honest I have no idea why it would say that - what does xdpyinfo say for "depths"?
04:54<eddieB>jm_: command not found
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04:56<jm_>eddieB: maybe try googling for the error then
04:56<eddieB>jm_: even if iceweasel doesn't work. would firefox?
04:57<jm_>eddieB: no, iceweasel is the same as firefox
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05:01<eddieB>jm_: is there any other browsers that might work?
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05:02<jm_>eddieB: try iceape
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05:04<eddieB>nope. doesn't work either..
05:05<jm_>same error?
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05:14<Jyce>eddieB: If I understand correctly, you got this issue:
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05:14<Jyce>One Solution is there:
05:14<jm_>yeah I suspected depth issue but couldn't confirm it
05:15<jm_>so I would suggest to run VNC in 16bpp mode if I notived it was running in 8bpp mode
05:15<Jyce>So you need to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
05:15<jm_>it was just a wild guess but ...
05:16<Jyce>Oh no your are right jm this vnc not X11
05:16<mordy_>hehe, i'm having problems with vNC too
05:17<jm_>Jyce: yeah it's probably limited to 8bpp for speed
05:17<jm_>Jyce: eddieB is also using VNC
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05:17<mordy_>in a way i like problems. - gives me what to do, and helps me learn
05:17<LikkleFishy>Can I have some advise..?
05:18<jm_>!tell LikkleFishy -about ask
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05:18<LikkleFishy>well I have a 160 L tank, and I'm look for some large, feature fish. Any suggestions?
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05:18<eddieB>jm_: how do i force to use 16 bit images?
05:18<jm_>you're in the wrong channel
05:18<LikkleFishy>(It's empty atm btw)
05:19<LikkleFishy>Oh well
05:19<LikkleFishy>Make something up
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05:19<jm_>eddieB: which vnc server are you using?
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05:19<LikkleFishy>No idea
05:19<eddieB>jm_: vncviewer
05:20<jm_>eddieB: that's viewer, you need to check on the debian box
05:20<LikkleFishy>I liek tootally see naw.
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05:21<KaiSVK>jm_: thank you much for your advices :), so I will install it from deb packages from unstable, though I wanted to avoid it :( I don't like mixing testing/unstable
05:21<LikkleFishy>What actually is debian?
05:21<jm_>KaiSVK: well there is no nvidia driver in testing at the moment, so you have no choice :)
05:21<weasel>LikkleFishy: you may have heard of that site, it's great
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05:21<KaiSVK>jm_: I know I know :) but 'til today I was able to install from nvidia installer :/
05:21<weasel>LikkleFishy: you just enter a word and click "Search" and it finds all sorts of things about what you typed
05:22<LikkleFishy>Thankayou very muchalucha.
05:22<weasel>LikkleFishy: you should try it some time
05:22<jm_>KaiSVK: yeah you probably still have the version from stable, which doen't work with newer kernels due to many changes
05:22<LikkleFishy>Yes, I really do know what this 'google' is.
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05:22<KaiSVK>jm_: no I have "version" from nvidia-installer
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05:22<jm_>KaiSVK: don't use that
05:23<mordy_>vncserver starts just fine, but i can't connect to it using vinagre
05:23<_ZeuZ_>KaiSVK, you might found better to use module-assistant
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05:25<mordy_>or maybe something is wrong with my network still - which i find hard to believe, as i can see all the network shares and connect to the internet
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05:26<KaiSVK>jm_: why not use nvidia installer it worked fine for me
05:26<jm_>what does it say then?
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05:26<jm_>KaiSVK: where does it install kernel module?
05:27<KaiSVK>jm_: don't know don't care :)
05:27<KaiSVK>jm_: important for me was that it worked :)
05:28<KaiSVK>jm_: ok I am gonna try it :)
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05:29<jm_>well it's your system, I don't really care - just suggesting good practices
05:29<superlinux>!dpkg pastebin
05:29<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like:,,, for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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05:33<superlinux>hi guys
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05:34<superlinux>anyone knows where is the howto of Adaptec (formerly DPT) SmartRAID V Controller ?
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05:35<RicardoBeat>hello.. the debian channel in spanish is?
05:35<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
05:35<RicardoBeat>thank you :)
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05:37<superlinux>i found some thing
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06:04<petteri>got my mouse cursor working after installing the newest driver from ati
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06:28<Hideo>2.6.26 is out
06:29<Hideo>I just woke up ={
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06:54<Cheatah>just wondering...
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06:55<Cheatah>are the kernels for vm's for e.g. Xen or VMware server stripped down for specific hardware requirements?
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06:56<Cheatah>kernels for those kinds of tasks don't need to be shipped with tons of modules
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07:02<jyce>Most of kernel modules if not all are avalaible for Xen (I don't know for VMWare)
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07:04<jm_>Cheatah: I thought the idea is to use the same kernel image, regardless if it's run in xen or not
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07:04<mordy>is there a configuration file for wireless settings?
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07:06<jyce>You have the choice when you compile your Xen Kernel to separate the one of Dom0 from the one of DomU
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07:06<Cheatah>yes, but i mean: most of the hardware support can be stripped right out of the kernel for certain tasks
07:07<Cheatah>like vm's in an esx cluster
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07:07<Cheatah>they don't need support for some kind of exotic nic or sound card
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07:08<Cheatah>or is it just debian's strategy to have one generic kernel?
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07:08<jm_>it does look like it's stripped down
07:08<rt711>mordy, use iwconfig to configure your wlan. It should tell you the available interface for wirelss.
07:08<mordy>the interface looks fine on iwlan
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07:10<rt711>you can configure it in: /etc/network/interfaces
07:10<jyce>Cheatha: Yes it is debian strategy
07:10<Cheatah>ok, thanks :)
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07:11<jyce>That's why I prefer to recompile kernel myself
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07:11<Cheatah>well, i was thinking on pre-creating images for vm's
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07:11<Cheatah>but i guess i'll include a custom kernel then
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07:17<mordy>ok, here is my interface file
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07:18<mordy>ok, i finally managed to paste my interface file
07:19<jyce>I do believe pre-creating vm image for Xen would not be so easy
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07:19<Hideo>vi /etc/networks/int
07:20<Cheatah>well, it's actually just for a ESX cluster for now
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07:20<gsimmons>mordy: You're missing some necessary wireless-* options (eg. wireless-essid). Read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian to learn of the options available. If you wish to connect to a WPA-protected network: /msg dpkg wpa
07:20<mordy>ok... yes, it's WPA as well
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07:21<jyce>Ok, I don't know ESX :)
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07:26<mordy>gsimmons - do i place these wpa-* settings in interfaces? or in wpa_supplicant.conf?
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07:27<superlinux>hi guys
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07:28<superlinux>any one has this installed on his box? Adaptec (formerly DPT) SmartRAID V Controller ?
07:29<gsimmons>mordy: The wpa-* settings are for the interfaces file. For most situations (eg. connecting to a WPA/WPA2 network with a pre-shared key), you don't require to establish a wpa_supplicant.conf file. ifupdown will call wpa_supplicant using your assigned options.
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07:30<mordy>i think i played around with my wpa_supplicant.conf file - can i delete it? i only use WPA-TKIP
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07:32<gsimmons>mordy: Better to back it up instead, just in case. :) You should only require to specify the wpa-ssid ond wpa-psk options. Also consider restricting the permissions on /etc/network/interfaces (eg. chmod 600).
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07:39<mordy>hmm... it's still not working. i get connected and disconnected a second later - i renamed wpa_supplicant.conf. maybe i need to restart something - but i don';t know what
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07:46<Pony>i have this weird routing/openvpn problem. I can see the packets at the openvpn client using tcpdump on the tun interface. But in the other end, these packets do not appear on the tun interface ??
07:46<Pony>but if i try from the openvpn client and not a host on the network behind it, i can see the traffic just fine
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07:48<KaiSVK>jm_: hi again :) so I tried to install nvidia drivers from unstable, and something is terribly wrong :) nvidia-glx won't install - broken package :)
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07:49<jm_>KaiSVK: how is it broken?
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07:50<mordy>hmm.. it also appears that my card gets turned off whenever i try to connect to a record
07:50<mordy>to a network
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07:51<fantasticmrfox>Lo does Debian (or has ever, could possibly in the future) ever offer an Alpha/Beta release of 'testing' - i.e. Purposely offering an ISO with stable-ish packages and using a seperate less ever-changing repo's to match? i.e. a kinda-testing, kinda-stable relase?
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07:52<jm_>fantasticmrfox: that's what stable is
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07:53<Cheatah>what exactly would you need it for?
07:53<fantasticmrfox>I suppose what I'm after is a Debian Lenny Alpha 1 - i.e. what comes with is known to -kinda-work- but it isn't as old as stable
07:53<fantasticmrfox>it would fill the gap between releases
07:53<jm_>stable + backports
07:53<fantasticmrfox>backports are few and far between
07:53<jm_>tough luck
07:54<fantasticmrfox>only thing I've ever found useful in there is pidgin
07:54<fantasticmrfox>I've been running testing for a couple months now, ran into all sorts of troubles -after- updates have occured
07:54<fantasticmrfox>fixed most of them I admit, and I know... it's -testing-
07:54<Cheatah>in what circumstances would you want an almost-stable os?
07:55<Cheatah>testing is pretty much for testing exactly that...
07:55<Cheatah>if it all stil works
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07:55<fantasticmrfox>yeah but can't we have something between stable (and usually old) and testing?
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07:55<jm_>not worth it
07:55<fantasticmrfox>like almost-stable... like you said
07:55<Cheatah>like: why?
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07:56<fantasticmrfox>so people get something that isn't behind the times without suffering being experimented on
07:56<fantasticmrfox>if its not finished totally yet
07:56<fantasticmrfox>*even if
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07:56<fantasticmrfox>damn it... see thats one of the problems right there... ever since updates a few weeks ago my number pad has stopped working
07:56<jm_>and who gets to decide what needs newer version? everyone will want their own set of packages, so you end up with what testing is
07:56<Cheatah>people who want cutting edge technology should either use testing or compile their own packages
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07:57<mordy>hmm... or should i call my wireless card "wlan0" instead of "eth1"
07:57<fantasticmrfox>I'm not saying it needs a whole new repo... but if to an apt repo it advertised itself as lenny-alpha
07:58<fantasticmrfox>then it would stop it getting any v.experimental stuff
07:58<Cheatah>with packages that have been tested, but not too well?
07:58<mordy>err.. scratch that
07:59<fantasticmrfox>I respect the gap between Sarge and Etch... and I'll respect the (thankfully shorter) gap between Etch and Lenny.... I really will
07:59<fantasticmrfox>doing it right the first time is good
07:59<fantasticmrfox>But 'testing' as a stop gap, is just too much well... testing
07:59<fantasticmrfox>and braking :P
08:00<Cheatah>well, you want newer packages than 'stable' provides
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08:00<Cheatah>point is: these have not been tested (well enough) yet
08:01<Cheatah>so they are either being tested, or newer versions don't exist at all
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08:01<Cheatah>if you need a certain version of a package, you had better compile it yourself in /usr/local
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08:03<fantasticmrfox>it's a really sensible suggestion
08:03<Sey>I need to mount a .iso in a way WINE understands. Apprently the best option for this is CDEmu, but when i try install the daemon and client i run into package requirements not met, that arent then in the repository..
08:03<mordy>is there a way i can see the logfile of my wireless card? does it exist?
08:03<fantasticmrfox>Cheetah: you just bring in milestones - and opt out of updates until the next milestone
08:03<cahoot>try dmesg
08:03<jm_>Sey: why would you use cdemu for ISO images?
08:03<fantasticmrfox>that way your not _constantly_ being experimented on
08:04<Sey>because using loop doesnt work for installer
08:04<fantasticmrfox>there has to be points in between Lenny is 0% done and 100% done
08:04<Cheatah>brings me back to my first question
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08:04<Cheatah>what exactly do you need a newer version of a certain package for?
08:04<jm_>you don't even need to mount it for qemu, one just passes it as argument: -cdrom file.iso
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08:04<mordy>dmesg doesn't do much. it tells me "link is not ready" - and "link becomes ready" :|
08:05<fantasticmrfox>Cheatah, because I often find myself needing later versions of packages found in lenny that arn't in etch - the get the added features I need
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08:05<fantasticmrfox>debian might stand still... but the people making the apps don't
08:05<Cheatah>debian doesn't stand still
08:05<fantasticmrfox>I meant in the sense of what is stable
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08:05<Cheatah>debian wants to provide a stable operating system that workd
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08:06<Cheatah>not one that will have people complain all the time
08:06<fantasticmrfox>yes and I'll for that - I'm not saying 'speed up the process'
08:06<fantasticmrfox>and I'm not saying 'change how you do the process'
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08:06<ootput>is it okay to mix lenny/sid packages? I'm after emacs from sid for use on my lenny system
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08:06<fantasticmrfox>and I'm just suggesting little milestones in the process
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08:06<Sey>I am trying to run the installer file on the CD through WINE, as i have lost the installer disc for this game, loop will not allow WINE to recognise the CD as 'being in the CD tray' so i need to mount it to a virtual drive
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08:06<Cheatah>if you doe need newer versions of packages, are you a developer then?
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08:07<fantasticmrfox>Cheatah, whether I am or not has nothing to do with it
08:07<jm_>ahh why did I bring qemu up, ignore me
08:07<Cheatah>well, if you aren't, you have not much reason to install testing
08:08<fantasticmrfox>forget this, I'm gonna put my ideas in the mailing list instead
08:08<Cheatah>since the idea of testing imho is to help fix the broken packages
08:08<fantasticmrfox>your just not understanding
08:08<ranix>testing has newer packages than stable
08:08<ranix>sid is a little edgey for newbies
08:08<ranix>but there's not much wrong with testing
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08:09<pumpkin0>and experimental is the starting point. He just wants another 4-8 layers ...
08:09<ranix>testing isn't much different from stable right now because there was just a release, but there are advantages especially late in a release step
08:09<ranix>for example, clamav is a newer version in testing than stable right now
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08:09<Cheatah>ranix: well, the point is, if you run testing, things can break
08:10<ranix>Cheatah: that's a lot different a point than what you said, which is "If you aren't a developer you have no reason to install testing"
08:10<Cheatah>fantasticmrfox thinks this happens too often
08:10<ranix>don'y say stupid things then waffle to make it sound like you know what you're talking about
08:10<pumpkin0>Cheatah: even stable breaks sometimes....
08:11<Cheatah>well, i still think that
08:11<fantasticmrfox>don't argue
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08:11<Cheatah>there is a reason it's called 'testing'
08:11<jm_>yeah and that comes from sommeone who claims "testing isn't much different from stable right now"
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08:12<Cheatah>the reason is it's work-in-progress
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08:12<Seyy>I am trying to run the installer file on the CD through WINE, as i have lost the installer disc for this game, loop will not allow WINE to recognise the CD as 'being in the CD tray' so i need to mount it to a virtual drive
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08:14<Cheatah>and now you're telling me i'm saying stupid things because some guy complains about packages being broken all the time?
08:14<ranix>Seyy: mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /home/.wine/c_drive/folder
08:15<ranix>give that a shot then browse to the directory
08:15<Cheatah>well, either help fix them, or run software that's been tested
08:15<ranix>Seyy: it might not work if something on the disk is specifically looking for a D drive or something
08:15<Cheatah>if the only way you can install software is 'aptitude install package' and you're running testing, that's not the brightest idea anyway
08:16<Seyy>ranix, It is looking for the disc instered into the cd tray
08:16<ranix>Seyy: what software is this anyway? Why would it do that
08:17<Seyy>the Diablo2 installer disc. the one i lost.
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08:17<ranix>Seyy: try opening up the wine preferences and telling it that the cd rom drive is the path you mounted
08:19<Seyy>I think it would porbably just save time and effort if i went out and bought a damnable disc to physically write to
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08:19<ranix>I have a windows computer to do that kind of thing with
08:20<jm_>heh normally you would use daemontools in windows
08:20<Seyy>Normally, i would just use a virtual drive mounter, it would take about 10 minutes to download and 1 to mount. - right-click > mount.
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08:22<Seyy>Ah well, ill send the flatmate out for some actual physical discs instead of trying to create a virtual disc
08:23<ranix>Seyy: usually mount takes care of that for you. I guess the developers didn't consider the possibility of someone trying to run badly coded copy-protection through wine
08:23<ranix>or maybe it's more of a wine failing
08:23<Seyy>I think its a wine failing
08:23<ranix>I've noticed there are many of those
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08:25<Seyy>Main problem i have with wine is the framerate. 10 yr old games have the framerate on a 4 ghz pc with 4gb ram that you would expect on a PDA
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08:28<Nemoder>Seyy: some newer games tend to work better in wine thanks to opengl
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08:43<hagus>I am confused at many levels :)
08:43<hagus>First of all, I was trying to get information on knoppix but landed here in debian.
08:43<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems.
08:44<hagus>OK - ty, dpkg.
08:46<hagus>It does not matter to me what live CD I use. My problem is that by trying out various flavours of linux, I have ended up spoiling my grub setup. I can see my ubuntu partition but cannot gain the necessary permissions to edit it from another kind of linux.
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08:46<hagus>Is there a general help on linux? non-specific to a particular distribution?
08:47<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
08:47<hagus>OK - ty, again, dpkg.
08:47<jm_>just reinstall your boot loader
08:47<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>.
08:48<hagus>No the other way round.
08:48<hagus>I installed vista first.
08:48<jm_>ignore that ...
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08:49<hagus>I am told the Debian is the most stable of all linux distributions. I take it that folk here would generally support that contention?
08:49<ranix>hagus: use whatever distribution you want
08:49<ranix>hagus: no word of a lie when I say the reason I use debian is that the logo looks pretty
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08:50<hagus>dpkg tell me about dual boot guide.
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08:51<noflash>hagus, /msg dpkg help
08:51<hagus>I got the links from dpkg :)
08:52<hagus>It opened a separate window, noflash :)
08:52<hagus>Is dkpg a bot?
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08:53<jm_>!who are you
08:53<dpkg>I'm a chimp!
08:54<hagus>OK - ty :)
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09:04<nobie>hi guy ! need help here
09:05<nobie>i just finish installing debian etch dvd . how to change source.list ? any mirror list ?
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09:05<jm_>to do what?
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09:08<rt711>i think he just want to add some repos :)
09:08<nobie>yeah repos rt711 ! thank
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09:09<dpkg>from memory, debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or
09:10<nobie>thank Nemoder ;)
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09:12<nobie>hi Surge
09:13<Surge>hows it hanging
09:13<nobie>i got another problem with my installation :(
09:13<Surge>uh oh, wassup?
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09:14<nobie>my fstab is wierd . sorry i new with linux
09:14<nobie>cannot open hard disk
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09:14<Surge>whats weird about it?
09:14<nobie>can i paste here fstab ?
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09:15<Surge>stick it on and paste the link
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09:16<nobie># <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
09:16<nobie>proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
09:16<nobie>/dev/hdb1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
09:16<nobie>/dev/hdb5 none swap sw 0 0
09:16<nobie>/dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
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09:17<Surge>some people just dont listen
09:17<jm_>it was just a mistake
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09:17<nobie>sorry wong paste
09:17<Surge>so whats not working?
09:18<nobie>cannot mount hdisk
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09:19<nobie>hdb1 and other hdisk gone
09:19<Surge>theres no mount point for hdb5 and hdb1 is mounted as root
09:20<nobie>im using 2 hdisk , 160 gb (windows box) master + 30 gb (debian etch) slave
09:20<Surge>run mkdir /media/hdb5 as root
09:20<Surge>then were it says none next to hdb5 in fstab
09:20<Surge>put /media/hdb5 insted
09:20<qq_> /dev/hdb5 none swap
09:20<jm_>uhm hdb5 is a swap aprtition ...
09:21<Surge>oh shi- so it is
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09:21<dpkg>[ntfs] Windows NT's filesystem. There are 3 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also and
09:22<nobie>Surge already done run mkdir /media/hdb5
09:22<nobie>then ?
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09:23<qq_>rm /media/hdb5
09:23<nobie>remove complete :)
09:24<qq_>! tell nobie about ntfsrw
09:25<Surge>quick question... why would the sudo command not be found?
09:25<nobie>thank qq_ will read about it
09:25<Cheatah>because it's not standard?
09:25<Surge>it isnt?
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09:27<Cheatah>no, not in debian
09:27<Cheatah>it is on ubuntu though
09:27<Surge>ahh thanks
09:27<Cheatah>just install the sudo package if you need it
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09:28<Surge>will do if i feel the need
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09:33<mordy_>how can i get my alps touchbad to work with its scroll-zones?
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09:34<rootmos>i cant boot my system after a initrd upgrade, i just get stuck in busybox. I can mount the root filessytem manually and yes an older kernel works
09:34<mordy_>touchbad. doh :(
09:34<rootmos>here is a screenshot
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09:37<jlj>hi, does debian/linux support the ATI RS600 chipset?
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09:39<qq_>jlj: what say ati ?
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09:40<nobie>guy what is the best mp3 player in linux ?
09:40<jlj>qq_: Well, it's AMD now I guess
09:41<qq_>jlj: so adapt the question
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09:43<jlj>fine, does debian/linux support the ATI/AMD RS600 chipset?
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09:44<amphi>jlj: presumably, as you can install fglrx, if the open driver doesn't support that card
09:45<qq_>jlj: does ATI/AMD provide a linux driver for RS600 ?
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09:45<jlj>amphi: But it seems to be a full north/southbridge. not just the graphics hardware
09:45<amphi>jlj: ah - I wot not of that
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09:46<dpkg>well, hcl is at, see to see what's supported by the linux kernel,,, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn>
09:46<amphi>jlj: ^^
09:46<jlj>ok, thanks. I'll check
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09:48<mordy_>is anyone here using an alps touchpad? how do you get the scrollzone to work?
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09:50<amphi>mordy_: google doesn't know?
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09:51<kbl>Hello, I need a hint on adding custom files to /usr/src directory using the Simple-CDD builder. Could anyone give me a hint or link? I could'nt find anything about it in wiki. Please don't blame me, the #debian-custom channel do not respond to my question :)
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09:53<mordy_>amphi, it doesn't
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09:58<nobie>guy where i can find bootloader setting in gnome interface ?
09:59<Cheatah>Azhrarn: "Some say the end is near..." => Tool?
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10:02<massmc>What codecs do I need to play .wmv in totem
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10:12<KaiSVK>how to force to install pockage ? :) please ?
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10:12<KaiSVK>with broken dependency, I will fix the dependency by hand
10:12<newsense>apt-get install package --force-yes
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10:14<KaiSVK> nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 but it is not installable --> newsense, I tried that and it wrote this :/
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10:15<Cheatah>did you try with aptitude instead of apt-get?
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10:15<Cheatah>aptitude is better in resolving dependencies and coming up with solutions
10:15<newsense>did ya try to add a + to the end of the package name ?
10:15<KaiSVK>newsense: no
10:16<KaiSVK>newsense: I will
10:16<newsense>if i remember correctly that overrides apts decision making
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10:16<newsense>i could be wrong though
10:16<KaiSVK>aaaaah it worked :D
10:16<KaiSVK>newsense: ty :)
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10:33<ghost>how do you find out what version of software you're running via the terminal?
10:33<newsense>apt-cache show packagename
10:33<ghost>ohh k cool thanks
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10:34<ghost>and say for example ya built it without checkinstall
10:34<ghost>do you know any others ways too?
10:34<Cheatah>dpkg --list | grep packagename
10:34<dpkg>Cheatah: I don't know, could you explain it?
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10:34<newsense>yeah thatll do it too
10:35<ghost>cool thanks
10:35<buffoon_work__>i prefer apt-cache policy <pakagenameY
10:35<newsense>me too
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10:58<Administrator>hello all
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11:00<Administrator>can anyone help me with my problem? I have a debian installation, but upon bootup, it hangs when trying to start dansguardian. How do i disable dansguardian from automatically starting up?
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11:02<newsense>what is dansguardian ?
11:02<Administrator>web content filter
11:02<Cheatah>should be something like: update-rc.d -f dansguardian remove
11:03<Administrator>how would i update the rc.d ? i can't even log in because it is freezing before the login prompt
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11:03<Cheatah>boot in single user mode, or with a rescue disc
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11:06<Administrator>wow that did it! thansk Cheatah!
11:06<Administrator>i can finally get some sleep! :)
11:07<Cheatah>np and nn ;)
11:07<rootmos>i am giving up i can not boot my system, it has something to do with initrd, i just get stuck and ends up in busybox an older kernel works
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11:09<rootmos>anyone with a clue before i reinstall?
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11:09<Cheatah>you could try dpkg-reconfigure on youre latest kernel package
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11:09<Cheatah>don't know if that will work
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11:15<rootmos>nope it didnt work
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11:18<rootmos>is there a way to get all installed packages in a list so i can install them when i have reinstalled the server?
11:18<bighornram>I'm trying to rip to m4a, rhythmbox plays them with gs..bad and sound juicer needs really-bad to rip them. They won't both install. Can this be done?
11:19<Cheatah>rootmos: dpkg --get-selections | grep install | cut -f1
11:21<rootmos>Cheatah: Lovely! thanks!
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11:30<sysadmin>i have .htacces file on wwwroot but when it doesnt work.. i have AllowOverride ALL
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11:33<Guest703>where are you from
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11:33<Guest703>how nice
11:33<newsense>south side
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11:34<Guest703>I am from Norway
11:35<Guest703>hi lintux
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11:36<newsense>where you from lintux ?
11:37<lintux>Italy my english is not perfect sorry
11:37<newsense>sounds good to me
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11:40<Guest703>how is it living in chicago *newsense*
11:40<newsense>winter sucks, crowded, but its a nice city
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11:41<Guest703>how cold can it be in the winter time
11:42<newsense>below zero
11:42<newsense>wind makes it seem a lot colder
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11:42<Guest703>then you do not know what cold is
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11:43<newsense>shit not as cold as it gets in norwy im sure
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11:43<newsense>all the girls there hot or what ?
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11:45<fxiny>here comes the girl : 2.6.26 out
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11:45<Guest703>many nice girls yes but I quess there must be many nice girls in a big town as chicago
11:46<newsense>yeah there are ;)
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11:47<Guest703>how big is chicago actually
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11:50<snogglethorpe>the u.s. midwest can get very very cold, but chicago's right on a huge lake
11:50<Guest703>I know that. but how many inhabitants
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11:51<snogglethorpe>Guest703: about 3 million according to google
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11:53<snogglethorpe>the "chicago metropolitan area" has about 10mil
11:53<Guest703>THAT IS HUGE. In Norway we are only close to 6 millions all together....
11:53<newsense>norway has lots of unoccupied land doesnt it?
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11:55<Guest703>Yes. you can come and take some of it.
11:56<cahoot>mostly vertical
11:56<newsense>id love to
11:56<fxiny>good for my climbing tests
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11:56*newsense looks up picture of norway
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11:57<newsense>Guest703, you close to harstad ?
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11:58<Guest703>no. im close to Arendal. Far sout.
11:59<newsense>watching a video now, this guy is in the middle of nowhere and it looks cold
11:59<snogglethorpe>nice snows
11:59<newsense>crazy mountains
11:59<fxiny>arendal sounds elvish
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12:02<mordy>how do i make a samba share writeable? i mounted an ntfs partition with ntfs-3g - and it's writeable on the base computer, but not on the network
12:02<Guest703>I take a 15 minutes brake. have to eat a little bit
12:02<newsense>same here, need coffee
12:02<snogglethorpe>heh, there's a chart which shows the nighttime population of tokyo is 12.42 mil, but the _daytime_ population is 14.96 mil...
12:02<makke>mordy: if it is not a permission-problem maybe with "read only = no" in your smb.conf?
12:03<chantanito>hi, i need some help in here
12:03<chantanito>has anyone tried to configure ocs inventory with lighttpd
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12:03<mordy>makke: is smb.conf the only way to edit shares? can i use the command line too?
12:04<makke>editing smb.conf is the most used way
12:05<mordy>hmm... :|
12:05<mordy>where can i find it?
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12:05<makke> /etc/samba/smb.conf
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12:06<makke>mordy: is a manual
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12:15<mordy>i'm transferring files over a network to an external USB disk - there's a bottleneck somewhere, as the total speed is only about 500KB/s
12:16<snogglethorpe>mordy: isn't usb itself not generally so hot at fast transfers?
12:16<ffws|hathe>mordy: usb1.1?
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12:16<mordy>snogglethorpe: i know it's not very quick - but it shouldn't be that slow
12:16<mordy>the device and the port are USB 2.0
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12:17<mordy>but even @ 12.0Mb/s it shoudn't go that slow - i should get something a bit quicker
12:17<snogglethorpe>isn't there something with usb slowing down to match the slowest dvice it sees?
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12:18<snogglethorpe>that's just a vague memory, but if there's other, slower, stuff attached, maybe it has some influence?
12:18<mordy>there's only one thing connected - is there a way to check the bandwidth?
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12:19<mordy>kde infocenter says it's 2.0 (480mbps)
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12:20<Terr1>Im having trouble getting access to my SATA disks, I have used them as raid before on the same system, but changed it to normal "IDE" mode.. Info here: , any ideas? :/
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12:21<mordy>snogglethorpe - do you think it has something to do with the fact that the destination is FAT32 and the source is NTFS?
12:22<snogglethorpe>mordy: no clue really
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12:22<snogglethorpe>mordy: but it doesn't seems like it should make _that_ much difference
12:23<snogglethorpe>mordy: if one of those is a bottleneck, it seems like it would be a bottleneck without the other thing too
12:23<fxiny>mordy: are you tranferring ntfs to fat32 from windows ?
12:23<mordy>yes, that's the definition of a bottleneck :p
12:24<mordy>fxiny, i'm moving files from a NTFS partition to an external disk with a FAT32 partition - both systems are linux now
12:24<snogglethorpe>mordy: well at least, you could test it in isolation...
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12:24<snogglethorpe>mordy: e.g., dd to a file to see how fast it can write etc.
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12:25<mordy>well, the other computer is also using wifi - can it be that slow?
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12:25<fxiny>mordy: right : i know windows transfers from ntfs to fat32 much slower then linux from ext3 to fat32
12:26<mordy>yes, my network is never that fast - although it's 100Mb/s i usually get about a fifth at that
12:27<fxiny>so i don't think ntfs-3g is faster then native windows
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12:28<mordy>but now i have a combined speed of 600 KB/s - that's absurd
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12:28<fxiny>mordy: try moving some files from ext3 to fat32
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12:29<mordy>is there a way to create a dummy file?
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12:30<snogglethorpe>mordy: you can just use dd
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12:31<snogglethorpe>or my favorite, cat /vmunix /vmunix /vmunix /vmunix /vmunix /vmunix ...
12:31<mordy>errr... how do i do that?
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12:34<fxiny>mordy: as usual debian does it better :
12:35<fxiny>scroll down to 8.6.34 Dummy files
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12:37<mordy>"if=/dev/zero" - is that the output directory? or does it mean something else?
12:38<Cheatah>if = input file
12:38<Cheatah>so dd reads from /dev/zero
12:39<mordy>and "dev zero" is just "zero" :p i.e. nothing?
12:39<Cheatah>which basically returns only zero bits
12:39<Cheatah>a device which returns only zeros
12:39<mordy>and "urandom"?
12:39<Cheatah>/dev/urandom returns random bits/bytes
12:40<mordy>let me try it then
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12:46<Terr1>Im having trouble getting access to my SATA disks, I have used them as raid before on the same system, but changed it to normal "IDE" mode in bios.. running debian testing - kernel 2.6.24 - finds disk and then writes: ata1: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) Info here: <-- any sata experts?
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12:48<mordy>hmmm.. urandom is taking quite a while for 400MB
12:50<mordy>maybe i should have tried zero
12:50<fxiny>use random
12:50<mordy>it's been running for over five minutes now - and i've got a pretty strong processor
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12:51<mordy>/dev/random? as opposed to urandom?
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12:51<mordy>"419430400 bytes (419 MB) copied, 220.223 seconds, 1.9 MB/s" - is that the speed of my drive?
12:51<fxiny>wait : iirc randowm is slower
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12:52<fxiny>lemme check
12:52<fxiny>yes random is slower
12:52<mordy>ok, now let me copy it to my FAT32 drive..
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12:52<ffws|hathe>mordy: hdparm -tT /dev/sd?? gives you an idea about the speed of your drive
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12:55<mordy>cool.. now where do i find the file? i'm a bit confused with linux file systems - if i placed a file in "/" - where do i find it in say, KDE
12:55<valdyn>mordy: the same place
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12:57<mordy>well, it's not the drive - the dummy file is copying @ 40MB/s
12:57<fxiny>comparing to ?
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12:57<mordy>comparing to the 600KB/s transfer over the network
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12:58<Cheatah>what command did you use to create the file?
12:58<mordy>Cheatah: debian:~# dd if=/dev/urandom of=/ bs=1M count=400
12:59<mordy>Cheatah: the files i am moving are mainly ISOs - large files
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13:00<Cheatah>what command did you use to create the file?
13:00<mordy>maybe i can test the source hard drive
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13:00<Cheatah>wrong c/p :P
13:00<Cheatah>my machine is halfway now, 200 MB
13:01<Cheatah>so i'm not sure whats wrong with yours
13:01<mordy>creating :p - i must say i crack up laughing whenever i see a filename "foo"
13:01<mordy>Cheatah - were you here at the beginning when i described my networking situation? (i don't remember)
13:02<Cheatah>or at least i didn't read it
13:02<Cheatah>but my machine is all done now
13:02<Cheatah>400 MB
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13:03<mordy>Cheatah, well i'm not complaining about the processor speed - it should take a few minutes either way - what i'm complaining is about the the transfer of a file over the network @ 600KB/s
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13:04<fxiny>from ntfs to fat32
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13:05<mordy>here is the "route" of the file transfer, if i can describe it like that: NTFS Partition>JFS>Wifi>JFS>External USB FAT32
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13:05<daniel>how can i get KDE to the debian? i have gnome...
13:05<newsense>whole kde desktop or basic ?
13:05<mordy>daniel: search synaptic package manager for KDE
13:06<dpkg>it has been said that kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde (, or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>. KDE-related IRC channels:
13:06<newsense>apt-get install kde-core for minimal kde-base for more apps and kde for the whole thing
13:06<daniel>thanks! :)
13:06<AzaTht>is there any plan for to scrap moinmoin?
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13:09<mordy>Cheatah: it *is* the network - any reasons why it's so slow?
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13:10<Cheatah>not a clue
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13:11<fxiny>mordy: so transferring from etx3 to fat32 over the network is still slow ?
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13:12<snogglethorpe>how about just transferring over the network into /dev/null?
13:12<mordy>fxiny, it's the network - it's not the fs
13:12<mordy>how would i do that?
13:12<snogglethorpe>mordy: hmm, netcat maybe?
13:13<fxiny>mordy: what speed you get from ext3 to fat32 ?
13:13<mordy>fxiny: 40MBps local
13:14<mordy>it almost maxes out the USB speed
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13:16<mordy>fxiny - it's certainly the network, since when transferring from JFS-JFS over network i get the same slow speed - could wifi be that slow? it's right near the router :(
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13:17<Cheatah>well, if you have 11 Mbit network
13:17<mordy>no, it's 100Mbit and the wifi connection si 54
13:17<wnd>maybe you could try a different wlan channel. it could be that there's some interference on the channel (or simply other active users).
13:18<mordy>wnd - there's nobody else using the channel - and the computer is right next to the route - about a meter apart
13:19<Surge>hey, quick question, in windows there be ipconfig to show the network details of a pc, does debian have an equivilent command?
13:19<mordy>iwconfig also shows the rate as 54/mbs
13:19<Surge>kk thanks
13:20<Surge>command not found
13:20<mordy>doesn't work?
13:20<wnd>try /sbin/ifconfig if you're not root
13:20<mordy>surge: su root ifconfig
13:20<fxiny>mordy: dunno : i am 100% sure linux writes much faster reading from ext3 to fat32 then windows from ntfs to fat32
13:20<mordy>that wouldn't work
13:20<arinaldi>as root work perfect
13:20<Surge>not for ms :S
13:21<arinaldi>i tried whit sudo after the comand and it worked
13:21<Surge>how odd
13:21<mordy>i only see about 3 Tx errors
13:21<arinaldi>no idea
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13:21<wnd>mordy, what wouldn't work? iirc ifconfig could be run as luser since potato.
13:21<arinaldi>the interface "lo" what is??
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13:22<wnd>local loopback, dummy interface for
13:22<arinaldi>some kind of test??
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13:23<ffws|hathe>arinaldi: no
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13:24<ffws|hathe>arinaldi: many programs communicate over lo which each other
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13:24<arinaldi>ok, very interesting
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13:30<carib909>Need help on loading alsa drivers please.
13:30<Surge>CAn't envy do that?
13:30<carib909>What is envy?
13:31<arinaldi>envy is for nvidia an ati drivers
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13:31<arinaldi>not for alsa
13:31<Surge>software they installs ati/nividia drivers for you
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13:31<Surge>fair does
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13:31<carib909>fair installs alsa drivers?
13:31<mordy>yup, it's certainly my wifi - wired connection transfers @ 8MB/s
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13:32<arinaldi>no it doesn't
13:32<arinaldi>have you tried alsaconf as root??
13:32<carib909>anyone can help by looking at
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13:33<qq_>carib909: ubuntu ?
13:33<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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13:35<wnd>anyway your problem with tar is that your wildcard seems to match directory first ("Cannot read: Is a directory"), and then to the archive ("tar: alsa-driver-1.0.16.tar.bz2: Not found in archive")
13:35<fxiny>still not debian :P
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13:36<wnd>try "tar -xjf alsa-driver-1.0.16.tar.bz2" instead
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13:36<wnd>I'm not going to get started with running that things as root -- besides you shouldn't have to compile alsa manually anyway
13:36<wnd>not to mention debian != ubuntu
13:36<fxiny>mordy: apt-cache show slurm
13:37<mordy>what does that do?
13:37<wnd>show information on package called "slurm". you can run it as luser.
13:37<fxiny>space invaders alike traffic monitoring tool
13:37<wnd>does that have something to do with futurama?-)
13:38<fxiny>or tcptrack iptraf and the like , but slurm is too funny
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13:38<wnd>you convinced me to try it anyway :-)
13:38<mordy>well, i'll try it
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13:40<wnd>yup, the domain confirms it has to be futurama
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13:41<mordy>hmm.. slurm doesn't work to well... maybe i should try it in xterm
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13:42<mordy>maybe i'm supposed to select some kind of them - as now i don't see anything - or the output isn't too good
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13:45<fxiny>mordy: slurm -si <interface>
13:45<Surge>W: GPG error: etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv whyfor would i get this error?
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13:49<BaadPete>Hello, can anyone help me with a software raid problem? I'm getting a kernel "Oops" when trying to format a new RAID5 setup.
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13:51<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, fakeraid is term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq>
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13:52<qq>BaadPete: ^^^^
13:52<BaadPete>yeah, it's a Promise raid controller on the MB, but it's set to IDE mode and I'm using software raid
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13:54<BaadPete>(i had to use the raid controller on the MB as that was the only way to connect 4 drives)
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13:56<BaadPete>here's what happened when I tried to format:
13:56<BaadPete>and here's the dmesg output:
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13:57<lxuser>hi there
13:58<lxuser>i've got a problem with installing the graphics drivers on my debian etch fresh out-of-the-box-(so far)-system
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13:58<lxuser>i just wanted to check the pciid before installing the proprietary nvidia-glx driver
13:59<lxuser>and "lspci | grep VGA" showed "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 GS] (rev a2)"
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13:59<lxuser>it has to show a GF 6800 XT though
14:00<lxuser>a buddy told me i should update the pciids, i did so and tried again
14:00<lxuser>it shows me a GF 6800 GS nox
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14:00<lxuser>i'm REALLY worried about this, and yet unsure to continue with driver installation
14:00<valdyn>lxuser: the pciid data is just for your reference as a user, mapping names to those numeric values, they dont fix anything technical
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14:01<lxuser>so i won't get trouble cuz the driver recognizes a wrong chip or such?
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14:02<valdyn>lxuser: that entirely between the nvidia driver and the cards pci id
14:02<mordy>can anyone help me? everyime i run apt-get, i get this message: E: bcm43xx-fwcutter: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
14:02<valdyn>lxuser: NOT the clear text "VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV4..." thats irrelevant
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14:02<gsimmons>mordy: Which Debian version are you using?
14:03<gsimmons>!bcm43xx-fwcutter etch
14:03<dpkg>as of Etch r3 (17 Feb 2008), bcm43xx-fwcutter can be found in the debian volatile repository. Include volatile in your sources.list and then "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" to install the latest version of the bcm43xx-fwcutter package and download the firmware. Ask me about <volatile>.
14:03<mordy>oh - how did i get it then? i don't think i have 'testing' or 'unstable' in my sources.list
14:04<gsimmons>!tell mordy -about volatile
14:04<gsimmons>mordy: No, use of testing or unstable sources is not required.
14:04*randomwolf waves
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14:05<lxuser>thanks so far valdyn :)
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14:06<lxuser>i'll continue with the driver installation now ... i just got worried 'bout having trouble after the installation or sth
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14:09<jthomas>Wow ##cups on Freenode is useless! Does anyone here know about CUPS Policies? I have one defined in cupsd.conf but I cannot restart the CUPSD service when my policy isn't commented out.
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14:11<mordy>how do i access the remote desktop settings from KDE?
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14:11<jthomas>krfb application, i think
14:11<mrnice`>!tell mrnice` -about volatile
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14:11<jthomas>or maybe in kcontrol
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14:12<igorzinho>tuor is name
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14:13<lxuser>!tell lxuser -about volatile
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14:13<kurumin>boa tarde amigos
14:13<Terr1>Is it safe to do tune2fs -m 0 on a LVM drive?
14:13<kurumin>sera que vcspode, me dar uma ajuda
14:14<kurumin>estou como kurumin 7 instalado
14:14<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:14<kurumin>e o som tava muitobaixo echeio de ruido
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14:14<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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14:16<kurumin>deixei ele alto agora ta semsom
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14:18<mordy>gah, KDE desktop sharing crashes :(
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14:19<jthomas>FreeNX is supposed to be great, but never tried it; x11vnc also shares an active session.
14:20<mordy>jthomas - do you know of anything which isn't over a VNC connection? VNC is rather slow :(
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14:22<d0rt>if sharing the whole desktop is too slow, maybe just use ssh -X (so that you can execute gui apps individually)
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14:22<jthomas>FreeNX is supposed to be great, speedy, secure (i think), and it is not VNC.
14:22<BaadPete>!sata faq
14:22<dpkg> or
14:22<mordy>d0rt, i can't have X server on my client computer, as the graphics is not good enough
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14:25<jthomas>mordy: then you cannot share a desktop
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14:25<mordy>so solutions with the X server on the client *work* but they defeat the whole purpose (for me at least) of remote desktop, since the only reason i want remote desktop is that i have a loud but clunky computer and a lightweight, but less-powerful computer
14:25<d0rt>client is the one you're sitting at? or the remote box? (i always get confused with remote X as it's backwards from what normally seems intuitive)
14:25<jthomas>server *should* be the one that you cannot see
14:25<jthomas>i think
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14:27<d0rt>if i'm understanding I guess the problem is that you have a portable machine you like to use but it's underpowered
14:27<d0rt>and you want it to display fancy graphics
14:27<d0rt>but do no work locally
14:27<d0rt>and your network is slow
14:27<d0rt>i think that's too many restrictions to allow for much of a solution :-]
14:28<mordy>d0rt, jthomas - let me explain it like this. I have two computers, BigBox and SmallBox. BigBox is loud and hot - and clumsy - but it's quick and powerful - while SmallBox is light and portable
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14:28<d0rt>if the graphics on the SmallBox suck
14:28<mordy>but SmallBox isn't too strong - i operate over a local network with a wifi or wired connection
14:28<d0rt>then that's a bottleneck no matter how you cut it
14:29<d0rt>whenever anything complicated attempts to render
14:29<mordy>yes, the graphics on SmallBox
14:29<d0rt>i don't know how you think you can get around that?
14:29<mordy>can't BigBox do the rendering?
14:29<d0rt>or why it should be possible
14:29<d0rt>not if you want to see it locally
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14:30<fxiny>light is slow and stays slow . you can install fluxbox on it or a tiling window manager like i do
14:30<jthomas>the small box' graphics need to be powerful enough to reflect the fast-moving changes on the big box, so even if the big box is doing the work (like playing a game), the small box has to be able to keep up.
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14:30<Tritos>please how can i put off gnome when
14:31<Tritos>i want KDE
14:31<mordy>nah, i'm not interested in playing a game - but i wouldn't want to exclude that - i don't know how these technologies work, really. from what i understand, VNC simply transfers an image and synchronizes keyboard/mouse movements
14:31<fxiny>install kde first
14:31<jthomas>apt-get install kdebase kdm && apt-get remove -purge gnome gdm
14:31<fxiny>vnc is not for slow machines
14:32<fxiny>try and see
14:32<mordy>well, the small box isn't that slow - it worked fine - but was a bit sluggish - but it didn't result from CPU use
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14:32<mordy>i think it was simply either the compression or network connection. Microsoft's RDP and NX server worked much better
14:33<jthomas>So use FreeNX
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14:33<jthomas>or just NX if you don't care about Freesoftware principles. Same company.
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14:33<felipe>hi, can someone sayme where can read a spanish manual for setup wifi in my laptop?
14:33<mordy>NX crashes on my client though, due to other reasons - it's because i use an external graphics card on my client at times - a DVI card
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14:34<jthomas>felipe, the manual is likely for Windows, correct? Linux will be very different. What kind of card?
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14:34<jthomas>oh sorry felipe i misread your question / no entendi' la pregunta.
14:34<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:35<felipe>jthomas, i don't know, i buy a hp pavilion dv6832
14:35<Tritos>jthomas: apt-get remove -purge gnome gdm .. it doesnt work...
14:36<jthomas>do them seperatly, see which fails, gdm or gnome
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14:36<jthomas>"apt-get remove -purge gnome" or "apt-get remove -purge gdm"
14:36<gsimmons>!remove gnome
14:36<dpkg>hmm... remove gnome is aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common
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14:36<fxiny>Tritos: install kde . log into it and then remove gnome
14:37<jthomas>looks like, "apt-get remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common"
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14:37<jthomas>from dpkg; or use aptitude, similar to apt-get
14:38<Tritos>it doesnt know -purge... -purge doesnt work..
14:38<fxiny>no -purge but purge
14:38<jthomas>apt-get should
14:38<jthomas>apt-get remove purge libgnome32 libgnome2-common
14:38<jthomas>purge just removes config files
14:38<fxiny>aptitude purge
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14:40<dpalacio>apt-get remove --purge
14:40<fxiny>never used apt-get install in etch , i double check what aptitude wants to do and yes , it never let me down . good
14:41<mordy>how do i tell if my wifi is on?
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14:43<mordy>after playing around with the network and routing settings and finally managing to get my wifi to work, i rebooted and it doesn't work anymore - how do i get it to work again - and how can i make sure it stays that way?
14:43<Tritos>jthomas: apt-get remove purge libgnome32 libgnome2-common ... done ... now i must reboot?
14:43<jthomas>eh. no. are you in Gnome now?
14:44<jthomas>Reboot will be the easiest tho, and let you know that KDE is starting normally..
14:45<jthomas>come back and let us know
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14:45<mordy>well, modprobe ipw2200 shows it's ok
14:45<jyce>mordy: check your /etc/network/interfaces configuration file to see if your wifi card is configured here
14:46<mordy>jyce - it's configured perfectly there
14:46<jthomas>mordy -- look into Wicd application, its great for wifi. Not in debian repos tho.
14:46<jthomas>it sees connections and even wifi interfaces that nothing in KDE or Gnome wouldsee
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14:46<mordy>any dependencies? i'm still a bit skeptical of downloading packages from the internet - :-s
14:47<mordy>but i'll download it - if i ever manage to feel confident enough to install it
14:47<jthomas>there is a debian repo for it
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14:47<jthomas>probably some dependencies, but if you add the wicd repo, then apt or whatever will cover them
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14:48<jyce>If you type ifup <WifiCard> does it work ?
14:48<mordy>oh, what is it? but i'm first intent on getting my wifi to work via oldschool methods - as i'm more interested in learning the drill than getting my internet to work - if i wanted things quickly i'd use windows :D - although ti would crash :p
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14:48<mordy>jyce - that worked
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14:49<mordy>i rebooted my computer with the wired connection still up - mayube that has something to do with ti - since ifplugd would disable it - no?
14:49<mordy>and what is the difference between ifup <device> and ifconfig <device> up?
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14:50<jyce>ifconfig up configure the interface directly while ifup use some scripts and needs the interface to be configured
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14:51<mordy>jyce - thanks - but why didn't it do it automatically at reboot? i didn't change any settings
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14:51<jthomas>maybe security?
14:52<mordy>well, i will say that before my reboot, the card used DHCP although it was configured for static IP - now it's static. i also disabled gnome's network manager
14:52<jyce>Also, did you add auto <WifiCard> in /etc/network/interfaces ?
14:52<mordy>no, i didn't do auto
14:53<jyce>or maybe allow-hotplug ?
14:53<mordy>i was tempted to - but i didn't know what they do - should i add them?
14:53<jyce>the auto line will tell the ifup scripts which interface to mount at boot time
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14:54<mordy>and allow-hotplug?
14:54<mordy>and the syntax? "auto <device>"?
14:55<jyce>If i remember correctly allow-hotplug is for dynamic devices or something like that
14:55<jyce>You should already have a line like: auto lo
14:55<jyce>Just append your wifi interface just after the lo one
14:56<mordy>ahh yes! overlooked it - whats a dynamic device? my NIC card has it
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14:56<jyce>If device is detected at boot time it is configured otherwise not.
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14:58<jyce>If auto is used and device is not present it will complains will allow-hotplug will not (but i'm not totally sure)
14:58<jyce>while not *will*
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14:58<mordy>you mean like plug 'n play?
14:58<jyce>more or less :)
14:59<jyce>The man interfaces explains differences but it not very clear :)
14:59<mordy>the mans aren't very clear in general :p nor is most of the information in google - that's why i'm asking all these questions
15:00<mordy>although i think i'm a rather quick learner, considering i only first installed debian on friday
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15:00<jthomas>yeah i wish man pages were more clear also.
15:00*mordy pats himself on the back, gives himself a hug, and says "Good Going, man"
15:01*mordy tells himself "I'm going to Disneyworld!"
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15:03<mordy>err.. yeah - i forgot i was talking about remote dekstop connections - how they work etc.
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15:04<mordy>i was under the impression that RDP renders things on the server - which is why my remote connection to the server always functioned better than my native windows session
15:05<mordy>hello db
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15:05<db>mordy: how are you?
15:05<mordy>i'm fine and running out of cigarettes
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15:06<db>prices are rising i hear
15:07<mordy>i'm not in the US - but most of my money is in dollars, and de facto, prices are rising for me as well
15:07<db>where are you from?
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15:07<mordy>me, i'm in jerusalem
15:08<db>how is it ?
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15:08<mordy>hehe warm - and nice - and a bit shaken up - we've had some attacks over the past two weeks
15:09<mordy>two weeks ago some terrorist(?) went on a bulldozer attack. drove a bulldozer to the city center and started ramming anything he could find
15:09<mordy>you may have read about it in the news - if you read the news
15:09<jthomas>i heard about that -- apparently he broke up with his girlfriend eh?
15:09<Cheatah>it was in the news, yes
15:10<mordy>lol the girlfriend
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15:10<mordy>nah - the story is a bit different actually - he once raped an israeli girl and did two years in prison
15:10<mordy>he was married and a father of two
15:10<Cheatah>sounds like a nice family man :|
15:11<mordy>rape isn't that uncommon here - especially in east jerusalem - very weird place
15:11<mordy>well, i'm *in* east jerusalem - but to date, i haven't raped anyone - although i've been hit on by a gay man
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15:12<Cheatah>well, it's probably quite an eventful place to live
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15:12<mordy>Cheatah, for an introvert like me, it really doesn'ty matter
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15:12<Cheatah>that's so true :)
15:13<EricB>until they cut your internet connection
15:13<mordy>the world is located on my LCD, not outside my window, for me
15:13<mordy>lol EricB - i have UTMS (sp) too, just in case
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15:14<t5b>How do i install counter-strike 1.6 on Debian ? want to PLay :)
15:14<mordy>althoguh it's nice sometimes to take a stroll in east jerusalem into the arab markets - although i don't think i'll be going there soon, considering there was a shootout last week
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15:15<Cheatah>well, i live in a country with pretty much no problems, other than we create for ourselves
15:15<Cheatah>so (un)fortunately i can't imagine what it must be like
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15:15<mordy>netherlands? it seems like a nice happy place to live - at least politically speaking - but it never appealed to me :|
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15:16<dpkg>methinks otc is Over The Counter
15:16<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
15:16<Cheatah>it can be dull
15:16<t5b>How do i install counter-strike 1.6 on Debian ? gameplay.
15:17<Cheatah>sorry for the ot :)
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15:17<Owner>check the wiki (maybe)
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15:17<mordy>does dpkg speak on its own? or is someone controlling it?
15:17<dpkg>it has been said that dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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15:18<db>i am on a quest to learn about what makes ubuntu... suck?
15:18<fxiny>it's alive and kicking
15:18<fxiny>dpkg rulez
15:18<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
15:18<jthomas>its the GNOME desktop.
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15:19<db>yes, that may be a part of it.. but there has to be more? what about canonical?
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15:19<db>surely a quasi-corporate influence couldnt have it's pull?
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15:19<db>como estas lestat, guten tag dpm
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15:20<mordy>gutten abend
15:20<dpkg>it has been said that en is english
15:20<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>i´m ok...thanks...
15:20<db>could it be the legions of folks who look for win-like experience in something that they can loudly proclaim is "linux" ?
15:20<jthomas>yes but being free software, they have that right. one major concern is that they take debian and then change it, but don't give the changes back (so goes the claim -- i don't really know tho). with their constant releases, they don't have a lot of time for fixing bugs, wich just keep piling up.
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15:21<db>they have marketed their ass off,
15:21<db>i will give them that.
15:21<jthomas>i get emails about bug reports from 3 years ago that i made.
15:21<jthomas>they have? i don't see any marketing.
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15:21<Cheatah>well, i think it's debian for linux newbies
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15:21<fxiny>still not debian :P
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15:22<mordy>hey, i'm a newbie
15:22<db>they have positioned themselves as the perfect os for someone that likes simplicity (from a win perspective, read: " no bash" )
15:22<fxiny>as the great chef said
15:22<Cheatah>so hopefully they will venture on towards a real linux distro ;)
15:22<dpkg>[bash] the Bourne Again Shell, and the default debian shell.
15:22<db>like having a cheatah change it's spots ^^
15:22<jthomas>anyone know why qtparted insn't in lenny?
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15:22<db>not that you are spotted per se'
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15:23<mordy>hmm.. i've always thought a shell was a command line - like ms-dos in windows - ubuntu doesn't have that?
15:23<db>rash.. sounds like a name name for a shell. Re-deAd SHell
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15:23<db>ubuntu has many diff
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15:24<db>you have sh, ash, bash, etc
15:24<Cheatah>ksh, csh, ash, tclsh
15:24<db>and they all are the "cmd line" so to speak
15:24<db>but they have differences
15:24<db>in between what features they offer, and how they work..
15:24<mordy>as opposed to debian which has one shell?
15:24<db>no, the default debian shell is bash..
15:24<Cheatah>any linux distro can have many different shells installed
15:24<Owner>there are many more
15:25<mordy>so what's the big deal about bash?
15:25<Cheatah>bash is simply best :P
15:25<Owner>your opinion
15:25<jyce>I respectfully disagree Cheatah :)
15:25<Cheatah>nah, i think mordy misunderstood a line
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15:25<Owner>!begine holy editor war
15:26<mordy>i guess the reason i downloaded debian was from reviews - it wasn't dumbed down - but i didn't get the impression that i would be greeted by a monochrome screen and a command prompt
15:26<Cheatah>21:18 < db> they have positioned themselves as the perfect os for someone that likes simplicity (from a win perspective, read: " no bash" )
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15:26<Cheatah>db meant he wasn't bashing anyony ;)
15:26<db>yes, i meant
15:26<db>that there is a certain element of truth
15:26<db>in the fact that many windows users
15:26<db>go to ubuntu
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15:26<db>with the impression that it is "easy"
15:27<db>because there is very little if any dependance on any CLI (read, bash, ash, sh)
15:27<newsense>it kinda is compared to other ditros
15:27<newsense>i installed it on my gfs computer and she didnt know she wasnt using windows
15:27<mordy>can someone ask dpkg to tell me about all these different shells?
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15:27<db>and they feel comfortable with the gui.. especially kde..
15:27<newsense>shes not much of a computer person
15:27<mordy>newsense - really?
15:27<db>what wm?
15:28<mordy>well, it's more about an aesthetical sense- i can tell instantly if i'm using windows or not - but that's because of the font
15:28<Cheatah>well, the problems start when the girlfriend wants to use software her friends use ;)
15:28<mordy>doesn't WINE do that? i just installed wine - but when i tried to run it, i got a message saying that i didin't have the 32 bit libraries :|
15:28<newsense>theres a linux alternative for all of that
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15:29<fxiny>best is to install any tiling windows managers : visitors and wags are serverd :P
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15:29<Owner>wine is very well documented see the web site
15:29<newsense>i did have to install xp for her cuse she had some app for beauty school
15:30<mordy>i do miss my photoshop and indesign - i'd delete windows entirely if i knew that i'd be able to run those designing programs - other than that, there seems to be a linux alternative for everything
15:30<db>well, gimp is photoshop ish..
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15:30<db>has many similarities.
15:30<db>and i am sure you can get around in int
15:30<mordy>db, i use photoshop 7 - i can't get used to the newer photoshops, never mind some gimp
15:30<db>*in it
15:30<Nemoder>the version of wine in lenny has very good photoshop CS compatibility
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15:31<mordy>i'm still looking for a good RDP solution, though - and i'd like to know if there's a way linux can support my external DVI card - google turns up nothing
15:31<mordy>see2 extreme
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15:32<Nemoder>remote desktop? vnc works quite well
15:32<mordy>nemoder, not for me - it's rather choppy - i miss microsoft's RDP - i want something that would work as good
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15:33<mordy>besides, i also like the idea of having my own actual remote session as opposed to simply mirroring a session - i don't know why -but i like the idea - i guess it seems more 'real'
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15:33<Nemoder>it's pretty snappy for me on LAN
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15:34<Nemoder>x11vnc runs on the current x session rather than starting a new one line vncserver
15:34<mordy>nemoder - it's near-perfect - i can do most things - but i wish it would be smoother. in RDP, i sometimes couldn't tell if the desktop i was using was native or remote - i want that in linux as well
15:34<mordy>nemoder - what is that?
15:35<Nemoder>just correcting my typo
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15:36<balasyum>I could simply use the official NVIDIA drivers on my debian lenny, but I can't anymore with the new kernel
15:36<balasyum>the one ending with 25-2-amd64
15:36<mordy>will a graphics driver work with ndiswrapper?
15:36<balasyum>known bug?
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15:37<Nemoder>balasyum: the installer fails?
15:37<balasyum>by default it does
15:37<balasyum>with some nvidia.ko issue
15:37<balasyum>gcc versions
15:38<balasyum>but it runs successfully with -k $(uname -r)
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15:38<balasyum>the gdm doesn't start
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15:40<Nemoder>balasyum: if gcc it uses to compile doesn't match what the kernel was compiled with it won't work
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15:41<Nemoder>balasyum: but you can specify which version of gcc to use with something like CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.2 ./NVIDIA<tab>
15:41<mordy>just wondering - is there a way to control the fan speed on my laptop? i'm running a compaq (HP)
15:41<balasyum>how can I know the gcc version that I should use?
15:41<Owner>gcc is sybolic link in /etc/alternatives , it can be changed
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15:42<mordy>or rather, is there a way to underclock the CPU/graphics (well, i know that rovrclock does that - but i don't know what to set it to - don't want to screw anything up)
15:42<Nemoder>balasyum: hmm, does it show up in uname -a ?
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15:43<balasyum> 2.6.25-2-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Jun 27 00:16:12 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
15:43<Nemoder>guess not.. well I think there's only 3 versions of gcc, try each one till the installer works :)
15:43<balasyum>which are they, please?
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15:44<Nemoder>4.2, 4.3 and maybe 4.1, not sure if that is still in lenny
15:44<balasyum>gcc-4.1 gcc-4.2 gcc-4.3
15:44<balasyum>all in /usr/bin
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15:46<balasyum>can't find any of them there
15:47<Nemoder>doesn't the installer tell you which version it needs?
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15:47<balasyum>don't think so
15:47<balasyum>I'll try it with m-a install nvidia
15:48<Nemoder>if you do that make sure to run nvidia's installer with --uninstall first
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15:48<balasyum>will do
15:49<Nemoder>another option is to get the nvidia-glx source packages from sid and compile them for lenny
15:49<balasyum>nvidia-kernel-source not in lenny :(
15:49<Nemoder>ya you'ld have to get that from sid too
15:49<balasyum>what is the way of compiling them?
15:49<balasyum>never done that so far
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15:50<dpkg>it has been said that nvidea is that company that makes 'closed-source' drivers for their hardware?, or spelled wrong
15:50<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
15:50<Nemoder>balasyum: get the 3 source files then run: dpkg-source -x filename.dsc; apt-get build-depends packagename; debuild -u c-us -b
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15:51<balasyum>erm... :D
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15:52<dpkg>well, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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15:52<mrnice`>balasyum, switching back to older kernel or unstable is no option?
15:52<balasyum>wouldn't like older
15:52<balasyum>unstable may be
15:52<dpkg>[backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications., Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
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15:53<mrnice`>balasyum, as u are using amd64 and latest kernel, u know the drill :P
15:53<balasyum>shall I choose sid?
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15:53<mrnice`>balasyum, u can just install unstable or experimental packages, see apt.conf
15:53<balasyum>nvidia-glx is not working in sid
15:54<balasyum>it's been a long time that it doesn't
15:54<balasyum>depending on a package that doesn't exist
15:54<Nemoder>balasyum: you could also just compile your own kernel, that's what I do in lenny
15:54<wnd>balasyum, don't tell that to my copy
15:55<balasyum>own kernel, that sounds really like a debian hacker thing
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15:55<balasyum>till now I tried everything to remain default
15:56<Nemoder>its' pretty simple, you can just copy the config from the current one
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15:56<Nemoder>and with kernel-package it will create a .deb file for you so you don't have to worry about upgrades changing it
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15:57<mrnice`>Nemoder, i dont got amd64 system running, what will he gain when compiling his own?
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15:57<Nemoder>mrnice`: the ability to use nvidia's installer without worrying about gcc compatibility problems
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15:58<balasyum>module assistant seems to be installing nvidia
15:58<balasyum>downloaded the .deb from sid (nvidia-kernel-source)
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15:59<mrnice`>balasyum, i like sid
15:59<balasyum>as I remember, I had it once well-configured and lost the system by an apt-get upgrade
15:59<stevino>hi, I use _testing_, I live in Denmark (GMT+2) and my clock is always showing the time 2 hours ahead... the problem started to appear after I did a system update. If I change it, at the next reboot the clock sets itself to the wrong time anyway!
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16:00<balasyum>restarting gdm
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16:00<Cheatah>stevino: do you have your system clock set to UTC or to local time?
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16:01<Cheatah>and doe you have the right timezone information in /etc/localtime?
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16:01<balasyum>how can I tell dpkg-reconfigure to use nvidia instead of nv?
16:01<stevino>chatah: my system clock is the one in the bios? the bios time is set by windows, unfortunately... so it is set to the local time (10 pm right now)
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16:02<mrnice`>balasyum, just replace nv with nvidia in xorg.conf
16:03<balasyum>it ain't mentioned there
16:03<Cheatah>stevino: see /etc/default/rcS
16:03<balasyum>give nvidia-xconfig a try
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16:03<Cheatah>you should have UTC=no
16:03<stevino>Cheatah: I have UTC = no
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16:03<balasyum>gdm restart again :(
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16:04<Cheatah>hmm, that's odd
16:04<newsense>i got the same problem but never bothered trying to fix it
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16:04<stevino>Cheatah: every time I turn the PC on and Debian boots I get an error saying that it cannot set my time
16:05<c-bob>!E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
16:05<c-bob>!Dynamic MMap ran out of room
16:05<stevino>Cheatah: the same happens when I turn the PC off
16:05<Cheatah>ah, and ntpdate doesn't work?
16:05<stevino>I didn't have this problem some time ago, but now I do
16:06<stevino>Chatah: what should I do with ntpdate? sorry I don't know
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16:06<Cheatah>ntpdate sets your time based on information it gets from internet time servers via NTP
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16:07<stevino>Chetah: I tried to install it, but it was actually making things more complicated and in the end it didn't work...
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16:08<newsense>when i run dmesg i see nothing but dropped packets from iptables, how to set dmesg to not log those
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16:10<corky>this might be a very stupid question lol, but is there a way for me to detect which version of debian i installed?
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16:11<Cheatah>cat /etc/debian_version
16:11<Cheatah>or check /etc/apt/sources.list
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16:12<stevino>anyone can help me solve this simple problem with the clock? I have a double-boot system and for some reason the clock in Debian is always 2 hours ahead of what it should be :(
16:12<corky>Cheatah, btw.. where does the "r" stand for in debian 4.0 r3?
16:12<Cheatah>release, i guess
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16:13<corky>hmm.. just wondering lol
16:13<Cheatah>or revision
16:14<Cheatah>i'm not totally sure either, but apparently you're running debian stable
16:14<corky>just asking... :')
16:14<Cheatah>no problem
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16:14<balasyum>came just to say thank you
16:15<balasyum>the CC=/usr/... did it
16:16<newsense>when i run dmesg all i get is dropped packets from iptables showing how can i get dmesg to ignore those
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16:23<valdyn>newsense: read the top few lines in /etc/sysctl.conf
16:24<stevecotton>newsense - or take the LOG rules out of your iptables setup
16:24<newsense>cool thnx will do
16:24<aetheria>am i hallucinating? server signature at bottom of page: Microsoft-IIS/6.0
16:24<valdyn>newsense: but you probably want to just not enable logging of drops
16:24<valdyn>newsense: you enabled it
16:24<valdyn>newsense: yea you did
16:24<newsense>i never enabled that
16:24<newsense>i swear
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16:24<valdyn>newsense: not understanding the tools you use isnt an excuse really
16:25<stevecotton>aetheria - that's balancing for Akami hosting on Linux
16:25<newsense>i hope i didnt do it on accident
16:25<newsense>i dont even know how to make it log those drops
16:25<valdyn>newsense: iptables DOES NOT drop anything by default
16:25<valdyn>newsense: you enabled dropping and the logging of dropping
16:25<newsense>i enabled dropping
16:25<valdyn>newsense: which firewall thing did you intall?
16:26<newsense>dont remember ever setting it to log
16:26<stevino>hi, I have an easy, yet annoying problem: I have a dual-boot system, with Debian Lenny + WinXP; my system time is set to the local (UTC+2) time; Windows shows the time correctly, but Debian doesn't; any idea?
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16:27<newsense>valdyn, do i basically want to disable low level messages ?
16:27<stevecotton>aetheria - but it seems that the US mirror is 3 Apache boxen and an MS one.
16:28<newsense>valdyn, thanks btw
16:28<witte>hello, is there is there a known problem in the sid nfs packages? it does not automount my nfs shares at boot, but mount -a when logged in works fine
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16:28<valdyn>newsense: yea
16:28<newsense>cool thanks
16:28<newsense>was getting annoying
16:28<witte>i did a quick check (5 min) check on the bts, but did not seem to see it
16:28<valdyn>newsense: but you enabled logging, disabling it is the first place to stop logging
16:28<valdyn>newsense: not filtering it AFTER its already being logged
16:29<newsense>i think i get it
16:29<newsense>had it backwards
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16:31<wnd>stevino, if you really want to have bios to use local time instead of utc, check if /etc/default/rcS thinks you're using UTC
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16:32<stevino>wnd: I don't want my hardware clock to use local time, but Windows XP does! it automaticallychanges the hardware clock to the local time, so I have no chances
16:33<amphi>stevino: you can't tell xp the clock is set to utc?
16:33<amphi>and have it leave it alone?
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16:34<stevino>amphi: do I really can? mmm, last time I chacked it out I couldn't find any option for doing that
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16:34<stevino>amphi: if you think I can do that, then I'll go have a look
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16:35<amphi>stevino: I don't know, I've not used xp - but it would be extraordinary if it couldn't deal with a hw clock set to utc, IMHO
16:35<stevino>amphi: but I'm pretty sure it's a problem with Debian, because every time I boot and shut-down the pc, I get an error saying that the system could not set the tme
16:36<qq>witch system are ?
16:36<wnd>"2006-07-04: Various Microsoft Windows Vista beta testers have told me that this next-generation operating system still is not capable of running the CMOS clock in UTC."
16:36<qq>stevino: ^^^^
16:37<wnd>needless to say that also applies to versions prior to vista
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16:37<wnd>for reference,
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16:38<stevino>wnd and qq: yeah, exactly, there's no way to make WIN_XP work with hardware clocks set to utc
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16:38<amphi>wnd: wtf?
16:38<wnd>stevino, did you check /etc/default/rcS?
16:39<amphi>stevino: dear ghod, how can you use such a piece of junk? ;)
16:40<stevino>amphi: I have a double boot system, I'm sorry but I need to work with XP as well as Debian
16:41<stevino>wnd: I checked the file /etc/default/rcS: UTC is set to NO (as it should be)
16:41<amphi>my condolences
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16:41<verxion>hello everyone
16:41<Cheatah>and what about cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Copenhagen /etc/localtime
16:41<Cheatah>or something like that?
16:42<wnd>oh. I have the system clock to UTC, so I don't really know any better than this. it's just what I came to think about. for the little gaming I do in windows, I don't really care what xp thinks about local time.
16:42<verxion>I have irssi installed on debian and I am trying to get irssi proxy to work. I am looking at, which SEEMS really simple, but I keep getting connection refused. Can anyone help me?
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16:43<corky>what is the package that contains the current kernel source?
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16:44<amphi>!tell corky -about search
16:44<stevino>Cheatah: the files you wrote me are not plain text files... what are those?
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16:45<Cheatah>timezone information files
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16:45<Cheatah>from the tzdata package
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16:46<stevino>Cheatah: so what should I do with those?
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16:46<qq>stevino: intel machine ? what said ? > cat /etc/timezone <
16:46<Cheatah>copy one of those to /etc/localtime
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16:46<Cheatah>and since you're from denmark, its probably /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Copenhagen
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16:47<verxion>so on the debian box
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16:47<verxion>if I telnet to the proxy port
16:47<verxion>it lets me connect
16:47<verxion>so it IS listening
16:47<verxion>but if I try to telnet to that SAME port from a box elsewhere on the network, it refuses
16:48<verxion>so it looks like maybe debian is not letting the port get through or something
16:48<Cheatah>so your firewall is blocking, or the service is only listening on the loopback device
16:48<verxion>ahh, firewall, DUR!
16:48<Cheatah>netstat -napt
16:48<verxion>doing its' job, lol
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16:49<stevino>Cheatah: I'll try to reboot, but I'm almost sure that the timezone info was already correct
16:49<stevino>Cheatah: let me give it a try
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16:49<Cheatah>check your bios on your way
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16:53<maxb_>Is there a Debian-standard tool for editing the /etc/rc?.d/* symlinks?
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16:55<maxb_>That's not primarily intended for the sysadmin though, that's really for package maintainer script
16:55<maxb_>granted, it does work if you're wise to its quirks
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16:57<maxb_>ah, but the update-rc.d manpage has suggestions on what to use
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16:59<stevino>Here I am: the error at startup is the following:
16:59<stevino>select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out
17:00<stevino>what does it mean? any idean on hoe to fix this??
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17:00<newsense>rtc is a processor thing i thought
17:00<Cheatah>real time clock
17:00<Cheatah>are you using exotic hardware?
17:01<Cheatah>very new/old/odd?
17:01<stevino>by the way: I cannot understand why the command hwclock does not work/exist
17:01<Cheatah>i had trouble with my mac mini
17:01<stevino>I have a Toshib, 2 years old
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17:01<Cheatah>well, seems like it should normally work then
17:01<stevino>but the very strabge thing is that this problem started to occurr only few months ago, after I installed some updates
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17:02<Cheatah>using a custom kernel?
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17:02<stevino>custom kernel? I am not that expert... a plain kernel is fine for me :)
17:02<Cheatah>hmm, then i'm out of ideas
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17:04<stevino>Cheatah: do you at least know why I cannot use the command hwclock?
17:04<Cheatah>not really, i was guessing you don't have hardware support from your kernel
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17:05<kingsley>After several days of concerted but unsuccessful debugging, I need to ask for help. "mount" commands in /etc/init.d/umountroot are failing because "/ is busy". How can I find out what's stopping the "mount" command?
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17:05<Cheatah>but that would seem strange to me
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17:07<kingsley>The "lsof" command revealed several processes accessing /, but they seem to be expected, because they're things like libc and bash, which are necessary for the (shutdown) script to run at all.
17:07<maxb_>Isn't it perfectly normal for / to be permanently busy?
17:07<valdyn>maxb_: sure
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17:08<valdyn>kingsley: where the hell did you get /etc/init.d/unmountroot from?
17:08<valdyn>kingsley: considering root cant be unmounted and debian does not have that file
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17:08<Cheatah>can't you just run 'sync' first
17:08<valdyn>thats not going to make root unmountable
17:08<kingsley>maxb_ & valdyn: I suppose that depends on who you ask. Perhaps your /etc/init.d/umountroot, like mine, assumes that / should not be busy when shutting down.
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17:09<valdyn>kingsley: thats bullshit
17:09<valdyn>kingsley: root cannot be unmounted
17:09<maxb_>You're missing the point. I don't think root can ever be unmounted
17:09<Cheatah>i wouldn't know why you'd want to
17:10<valdyn>kingsley: ill explain what i know..
17:10<Cheatah>i would know why you'd want to call sync
17:10<valdyn>kingsley: root is never unmountable from userspace, you will always see it being busy
17:10<kingsley>valdyn: It seems to me that there's some confusion here. The name of the script in question has an unusual spelling. It's umountroot, not unmountroot.
17:10<valdyn>kingsley: the kernel itself does the unmount just before its shut down
17:10<valdyn>kingsley: yea, you are right, script is there
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17:11<valdyn>kingsley: that script does remount,ro btw
17:11<valdyn>kingsley: not umount
17:11<maxb_>kingsley: Yes, and if you read the contents of the script, you'll see that contrary to its name, it does not umount root
17:11<kingsley>maxb_ & valdyn: You may be interested to know that the shutdown script REmounts / as read only.
17:12<maxb_>oh, gah, we've all been talking at cross-purposes, haven't we
17:12<valdyn>ok, 3 times now :)
17:12<kingsley>maxb_ & valdyn: At least it's supposed to, unless, like in my case, it seems to think that "/ is busy".
17:12<Cheatah>well, it appears it just has a very confusing name
17:12<valdyn>kingsley: that busy comes from the try to unmount it
17:12<valdyn>kingsley: thats ok, dont worry about it
17:13<valdyn>kingsley: no idea whats trying to unmount it exactly, but its ok
17:14<valdyn>kingsley: or uh, are you sure its happening within that script?
17:15<kingsley>valdyn: Thank you for trying to reassure me. No one is looking forward to resolving this more than I. However, there is an adverse consequence to (re)mount failing in /etc/init.d/umountroot. / isn't cleanly unmounted, could be corrupted, and a long and slow fsck is always run during the following boot.
17:15<valdyn>kingsley: ok
17:15<valdyn>kingsley: some file is being open then
17:16<Cheatah>kingsley: it could only be corrupted if a write operation hasn't totally finished yet
17:16<valdyn>kingsley: ( being written to )
17:16<kingsley>valdyn: Yes, I'm certain the mount is failing within /etc/init.d/umountroot.
17:16<Cheatah>hence the 'sync'
17:16<valdyn>kingsley: lsof should be showing which
17:18<valdyn>kingsley: at that same point you should probably put some timeout and check for a process that is stuck in D state
17:18<kingsley>valdyn: Your theory that some file is open seems plausible to me. Here's the big but. But, I've called the "lsof" command from within /etc/init.d/umountroot, and although several processes are indeed using /, they all seem, at least to me, to be necessary. For example, they're things like libc and bash, which are necessary to run the script in the first place.
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17:19<valdyn>kingsley: zombified or at least in D state for a long time, unkillable
17:19<valdyn>kingsley: must be a process showing most of those characteristics
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17:19<kingsley>valdyn: Yes, I've already learned where to add a "read -p press <enter> to continue..." in /etc/init.d/umountroot. Can you elaborate on what the "D" state is, and how to find processes that are in it?
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17:20<valdyn>kingsley: D means busy with i/o
17:21<valdyn>kingsley: a process permanently in D state is a process that made a syscall to read/write something
17:21<kingsley>valdyn: OK. Perhaps I could also check for processes in the "Z" state, which I suspect means "zombie".
17:21<valdyn>kingsley: where that syscall never returns
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17:21<kingsley>valdyn: And for "defunct" processes.
17:21<valdyn>kingsley: so that makes this a bug in the kernel
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17:22<kingsley>valdyn: Do you happen to know how to find processes in the "D" state?
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17:23<valdyn>kingsley: yea, well, if you kill a process that is stuck D state with -9, then it will be Z for zombie
17:23<kingsley>valdyn: Would "ps aux" list processes in the "D" state?
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17:24<valdyn>kingsley: yea
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17:25<kingsley>valdyn: OK. Thank you for your thoughts. I'll insert a "ps aux" into /etc/init.d/umountroot and log the results. Much like California's governor, "I'll be bock".
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17:39<stevino>hey there, I was speaking with someone earlier about the problem with the clock... after a couple of hours of Googling I solved it
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17:39<stevino>amphi: I think I was speaking with you
17:40<stevino>Cheatah: I think I was speaking wth you as well
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17:41<stevino>the solution: I found it in here:
17:41<stevino>Basically the command hwclock does not work, unless the option --directisa is specified
17:42<kingsley>valdyn: I'm back.
17:42<stevino>I had to modify /etc/default/rcS and add --directisa to the HWCLOCKPARS variable
17:42<kingsley>valdyn: I ran "ps aux" inside /etc/init.d/umountroot as we discussed.
17:43<kingsley>valdyn: Unfortunately, it revealed no "D", "Z" or "defunct" process.
17:43<stevino>please note that my laptop is a TOSHIBA M70-141 running Debian testing. I hope this will be useful for someone. Regards
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17:44<stevino>amphi, Cheatan, thanks for your help :)
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17:45<kingsley>Will someone else who's using version 2.6.25-2-686 of the kernel, please show me the entry in /etc/fstab for your root file system? I'd like to compare it to mine, which fails in a "mount" command in /etc/init.d/umountroot.
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17:47<daniel>jthomas: hi im back.. i had to reinstall debian...
17:47<daniel>KDE didnt work... gnome too
17:48<jthomas>oh no!!
17:48<jthomas>but you couldn't fix it from the command line?
17:48<jthomas>or just not familiar enough with how to do so?
17:48<kingsley>Is anyone here using version 2.6.25-2-686 of the kernel?
17:48<daniel>i could fixed but dont know how :D
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17:49<jthomas>sorry to hear this... so you're back on gnome, eh?
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17:49<Tritos>yea on gnome...
17:49<kingsley>The "uname -r" command will show you which version of the kernel you're using.
17:49<ramish>hi all, i am currently trying to install debian on an old p2 laptop with no rj-45. I do have an atheros pcCard, but am having trouble finding any information on installing debian over wifi with the atheros chipset. is it even possible? if so, whats the best way to go about it?
17:50<jthomas>well, try getting KDE and KDM working first, and then worry about removing Gnome.
17:50<kingsley>ramish: Have you searched Google's indices?
17:50<Tritos>how can i start KDE without remove gnome?
17:51<jthomas>at the login screen (GDM) you should be able to pick the Session Type. Or, if you install KDM, that also allows you to pick between them
17:51<jthomas>GDM and KDM are just the login screens
17:51<apollux>ramish: madwifi doc will help you
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17:51<kingsley>ramish: Perhaps you could use more generic search keywords, like wifi install debian?
17:51<Tritos>ok i try
17:52<ramish>i have tried but all i find is atheros installation on a completed debian install
17:52<jthomas>ramish: i would recommend a Linksys USB100M, allow you to plug in rj45 to USB and all linux' I've tried recognize it for ethernet (including Lenny). But, you have to find one and buy it for $15 or something.
17:53<Tritos>it was funny .. only command line.. i didnt know wh
17:53<jthomas>Tritos: apt-get install kdebase ## the kdebase is a lot smaller, and then you can add single applications
17:53<Tritos>anything :D
17:53<jthomas>after installing kdebase, log out of gnome and poke around on the login screen
17:53<jthomas>you'll find it
17:53<ramish>yea i had already thought of that solution however i am completly broke and dont want to spend money on this dinosaur
17:54<jthomas>you can keep gmone on there if you want, and KDM is optional since the Gnome login works also.
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17:54<Tritos>OK :)
17:55<jthomas>ramish: can you take the hard drive out, install with another computer, and then put the drive back in there? Linux has great hardware detection, that has worked a lot of times for me
17:55<ramish>yes that is plausible solution
17:56<jthomas>being a laptop, you'll either need another laptop or a converter for the hard drive to plug into an EIDE/ATA connector
17:56<ramish>my friend has an adapter
17:56<jthomas>there ya go
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17:56<kingsley>ramish: If your computer has a CD drive, I should also mention that I've good results with install the "sidux" live CD in the past.
17:56<jthomas>i am not sure how the madwifi building will go without the card present, but it could be fine
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17:57<jthomas>kingsley: you install sidux and keep it as a debian sid system? works ok?
17:57<jthomas>i've thought they tweeked it a bit, like mepis where too many changes messes it all up
17:58<kingsley>jthomas: Yes. In my case it worked great. But that was months ago, so the combination of code has changed, and different hardware may not be as amenable. Having said that, yes, it worked flawlessly for me.
17:59<kingsley>jthomas: Do you happen to know anyone using version 2.6.25-2 of the kernel?
17:59<lucas_>hello, im tryin to setup gnome default settings like my account gnome settings so any new user i add has the same settings than my account, is it possible¡
18:00<jthomas>at home tho, not now.
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18:00<kingsley>jthomas: OK. Can you ssh to your home box?
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18:01<jthomas>lucas_: generally copy /home/lucas/* to /etc/skel/ and all new users get the data in the /etc/skel/ folder. You have to do this as root.
18:01<jthomas>kingsley: frastratingly enough, no i cannot. Is that the issue? or were you hoping for something else? Because I am not sure why I cannot ssh to that box today :(
18:01<lucas_>jthomas, but what folders may i copy?
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18:02<jthomas>lucas_: what do you want to be the same? If it is settings etc, they're usually hidden files or folder (start with a . like .gnome) Copy anything there that you want to be consistant.
18:02<kingsley>jthomas: Thanks for asking. I'd like to see the entry in /etc/fstab for your root file system.
18:02<jthomas>its the same as this box, one moment
18:03<kingsley>jthomas: The "mount" command is failing with mine.
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18:03<jthomas> /dev/sda1 / ext3 noatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1
18:03<jthomas>failing to mount root?
18:03<lucas_>jthomas, thank you very much, ive been looking this answer for long time, i appreciate it
18:03<jthomas>no prob. I'd test it tho!
18:03<lucas_>jthomas, ill do it... thanks
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18:03<jthomas>sure! come on back and let us know
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18:04<kingsley>jthomas: Thank you. In my case, root is failing to be remounted as read only in /etc/init.d/umountroot.
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18:04<jthomas>kingsley: maybe the drive is bad?
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18:08<kingsley>jthomas: I suppose that's possible, but I thinks it's probably OK. I've run short diagnostic tests on it, and regular mounts work OK. It seems to me that the problem is related to a hack in /etc/init.d/umountroot. It tries to remount / as read only three different ways, and complains that "/ is busy". Naturally I've checked for processes hanging on I/O, zombie and defunct process, as well as with the "lsof" command to find files on
18:08<kingsley>/ still being accessed. All I see is what I'd expect: files necessary for the script to run like bash and libc.
18:09<kingsley>jthomas: Havingsaid that, our entries in /etc/fstab are different.
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18:10<kingsley>jthomas: Mine is "/dev/hda2 / ext2 defaults 0 1"
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18:12<jthomas>well, the differences are just the partition, and the settings. defaults is prob fine; noatime keeps drive writes down to preserve its lifespan a bit, and spped the system up.
18:13<jthomas>and then, ext2 vs ext3
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18:14<kingsley>jthomas: To add to your insightful observations, my partition used to be EXT3...
18:14<jthomas>"insiteful" lol
18:14<jthomas>well, if i spelled it right
18:14<jthomas>maybe that is the problem? change it there?
18:14<jthomas>i am not sure if you can mount an ext3 fs as ext2, perhaps tho
18:14<kingsley>jthomas: Maybe...
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18:15<kingsley>jthomas: I can vouch for being able to mount EXT3 as EXT2. Having said that, I've so far been unable to remount it read only!
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18:16<jthomas>are you running from a live CD?
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18:16<kingsley>jthomas: Not at the moment.
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18:16<jthomas>so, you're running of the main OS, but the root is RO...
18:17<tritos>jthomas: i dont know why but i cant choose KDE ...
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18:17<jthomas>tritos: but it installed??
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18:17<tritos>yea it is
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18:18<jthomas>can you find the place where you'd choose the session type?
18:18<kingsley>jthomas: Yes, I'm running the main OS. Here's the big but. But, during the normal shutdown process, a script named /etc/init.d/umountroot is supopsed to remount / as read only, and in my case, does not, claiming that "/ is busy".
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18:19<tritos>only gnome was there..
18:19<syntax>where to I grant someone permission to use SVN?
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18:19<jthomas>kingsley: oh, but it isn't RO right now?
18:19<jthomas>syntax: you mabe have to adduser <name> svn
18:19<kingsley>jthomas: At the moment, / is being read from and written to.
18:20<kingsley>jthomas: Yes, that's right.
18:20<jthomas>tritos: crazy man, no idea. maybe go for the whole of KDE, rather than kdebase? I did two installs this weekend with Lenny and kdebase worked fine, although I installed it on a netinstall system w/o any gnome. But that shouldn't matter.
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18:22<jthomas>!install kde
18:22<dpkg>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see, or ask me about <kde version>
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18:26<jthomas>tritos: try that, just 'kde-core'; maybe do 'kdm' also, in fact maybe install just kdm first to check that out, see if it does anything...
18:27<tritos>jthomas: i have kde yet.. but it writes konfigure scripts in /etc/init.d
18:29<tritos>!!! english :D ............. KDE cant runnig with gnome.. i must prefare KDE in this directory..
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18:29<tritos>it writes conzole...
18:29<jthomas>no, they cannot run at the same time, but either should be available.
18:30<tritos>they should but why KDE isnt in season type?
18:30<jthomas>maybe ask for help in #debian-kde ? I have no idea, seems odd to me.
18:31<jthomas>type /join #debian-kde
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19:07<svend>Anyone know how to store passwords outside of ~/.irssi/config?
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19:13<rrm>what file i need to get ot have gnone root terminal?
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19:14<garda>rrm: do you mean type su
19:14<qq>rrm: gksu
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19:17<rrm>thanks qq
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19:18<qq>rrm: salutări din elveția
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19:36<sysop>can someone answer an apache debian quesiton?
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19:37<amphi>sysop: not if you don't ask it
19:37<sysop>ok how can I change the web root?
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19:37<sysop>I tried grepping for /var/www in the confs and found nothing
19:37<sysop>I am using apache2
19:38<Cheatah>see /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
19:38<ariel> walace tal]
19:38<Cheatah>but you had better take a look at the sites-available / sites-enabled architecture
19:39<ariel>],m [
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19:39<draft>does anyone know how top calcul the percentage of the cpu which is idle please ?
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19:45<eddieB>is it possible to view how much traffic has gone in/out of my server?
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19:45<draft>eddieB, /sys/class/net/*/tatistics/*bytes
19:45<draft>in bit
19:46<draft> /sys/class/net/*/statistics/*bytes
19:46<Luvubuntu>hey all, whats a good VM to run Windows and Mac OSX, looking at somthing free opensource
19:46<draft>i meant
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19:47<eddieB>draft: i get this "bash: /sys/class/net/eth0/statistics/rx_bytes: Permission denied"
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19:47<Luvubuntu>was thinking of using, VirtualBox or WMWare, maybe QWMU. anything tryed these on ubuntu Hardy edtition
19:49<maxb_>dpkg: ubuntu
19:49<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
19:49<draft>eddieB, it is the size of the data that went out to your server seems his boot in bit. Do "cat /sys/class/net/eth0/statistics/rx_bytes"
19:49<draft>since his boot*
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19:49<draft>you may divide it by 1024 to get the size in kB, by 1024^2 to get it in mB, etc...
19:52<eddieB>so "2405236.43" is 240 gigs right?
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19:56<draft>eddieB, i would say 2 mB : 2*1024*1024=2097152 ~~ 2405236
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20:06<eljefe>Can anyone tell me how to run Firefox 3 on Lenny? I have untarred it into /usr/lib/firefox/ but I am missing a library ''
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20:07<eljefe>abd i canot find it in synaptic./
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20:07<svend>eljefe: Look for iceweasel
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20:07<stevecotton>You could get iceweasel from Sid instead
20:08<eljefe>no, i want Firefox. This is for a Linux noob, I don't want to confuse him.
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20:08*maxb suggests that untarring non-packaged software under /usr is unwise
20:08<eljefe>I am aware.
20:09<maxb>Then don't do it :-)
20:09<maxb> /opt is a much more suitable location
20:09<eljefe>ok i can do that, but it stil won't solve my problem.
20:09<maxb>true :-)
20:10<maxb>I seem to have a as part of xulrunner-1.9 on Ubuntu Hardy
20:10<maxb>presumably that means it ought to be inside the firefox-3 upstream tarball too
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20:12<eljefe>If I run 'firefox' i get: Error: cannot open display :0.0" but if I run 'firefox-bin' i get the error.
20:12<eljefe>how could i set a display?
20:12<maxb>You're not supposed to be running firefox-bin directly, that's why you get the error
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20:17<eddieB>draft: so it is 240GB?
20:19<maxb>the X display is set using the DISPLAY environment variable byt that is usually inherited from the X session parent process.
20:19<maxb>Are you doing something odd like running firefox not from within an X session?
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20:20<eljefe>KDE desktop.
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20:23<eljefe>OK, then how about this -- any way to customize the icon that Kickers shows in its Taskbar for a certain app?
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20:46*mga esta con sueño
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20:50<chealer>eljefe: yes
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21:00<mordy>can someone help me out with a little technicality in xorg.conf - i have a cracked LCD - 1366x768 of which the top-left portion of approx. 600x200 is unviewable - and i also have a portion in the middle - about 100x768 which is also unviewable - i want to divide the two vieable sections into two screens - how do i do it?
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21:01<dondelelcaro>uh... I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't possible
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21:02<mordy>dondel, it should be possible - if you're able to specify coordinates :(
21:02<amphi>something like the badram patch for x displays? 'exclude this pixel range' ;)
21:02<mordy>something like that, amphi
21:03<mordy>but the problem is that i need to divide it into two screens, since there's an area in the middle whcih is also unsuseable
21:03*mordy thinks why oh why did i have to punch that $400 LCD :(
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21:06<amphi>mordy: why indeed
21:06<mordy>amphi, blame windows
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21:07<mordy>it can piss me off
21:07<amphi>the screen was hardly to blame
21:07<mordy>yes, but it was right in front of me
21:07<mordy>what else could i have punched?
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21:07<mordy>i didn't even punch it - i just made a fist while holding it in my hand
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21:10<mordy>anyway - i'd want the first screen to be about 650x550 starting at 0, 200
21:10<mordy>and the second screen to be 650x768, starting at about 650, 0
21:11<amphi>I know of no way you can do that; why not just use it normally, and keep your windows in the functioning parts?
21:11<amphi>use a WM that lets you place windows
21:11<mordy>amphi, i know you can specify coordinates in xorg.conf
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21:14<mordy>gah,it's just too confusing - but i want to give this box as a gift as well - well - some gift 8-|
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21:15<stevecotton>mordy - xnest
21:15<mordy>hmm... what does that do?
21:15<mordy>well, let me try hehe
21:16<stevecotton>it's an X-server in a window for X
21:16<mordy>can i have two of them?
21:16<mordy>can i specify their coordinates and resolution? dpi etc.?
21:17<stevecotton>It's a window on display :0, in the window is display :1 (or :2 etc)
21:17<mordy>nah, it's too clumsy
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21:18*stevecotton has a feeling that cracked LCDs leak toxic chemicals
21:18<mordy>besides, i want a permanent configuration - nesting will only make my already small usable space even more inoperable
21:18<mordy>stevecotton, i'll probably die of a stroke at 25 anyway
21:18<amphi>or an apoplexy ;)
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21:19<mordy>there's some way to configure the absolute coordinates of X
21:19<stevecotton>in your window manager's config file
21:20<mordy>yes - but i don't know *how*
21:20<mordy>what's the name of the shell irc?
21:20<mordy>something like bitchx?
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21:24<mordy_>hehe, this is cool
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21:25<mordy_>i wonder if there's some way to repair this LCD - just a few cracks in the class- can it be that difficult?... probably :|
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21:27<Lounge>in crypttab, having it look for a keyfile within another luks partition doesn't seem to wanna work even if that partition with the key is already opened and mounted. is there a work around?
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21:40<eljefe>mordy that is a cool problem :)
21:40<eljefe>i am just catching up
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21:42<eljefe>did you ever solve it?
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21:43<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>excuse me...anyone can help me?
21:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
21:44<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>my english is not very well...
21:45<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
21:45<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>ok...i will try there...
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21:59<kde-devel>I posted a comment on a debian mailing list the other day about how I thought the website looked too simple, chaotic and disorganized. Anyone have any thoughts on that?
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21:59<pygmalion>pardon my n00b-ness, but does IO stand for input/output?
22:00<amphi>kde-devel: too simple?
22:00<eljefe>yeah i also thing it is too early-90s sparse
22:01<kde-devel>amphi, yes. I know that sounds like a contridiction. Maybe I should have implied to simplistically designed.
22:01<eljefe>it doesn't have any pizzaz or marketing going for it
22:01<amphi>I don't have a problem with it
22:02<eljefe>umph, excitement
22:02<kde-devel>yeah, I just think it conveys a convoluted message.
22:02<eljefe>its not inviting to new users, but intimidadting
22:02<amphi>nor does
22:02<pygmalion>simonrvn: thanks
22:03<eljefe>true, but is a step or two up i'm afraid
22:03<eljefe>people don't pick like they pick linux distros
22:04<amphi>does debian want users who will pick debian on the basis of the 'excitement' conveyed by the site?
22:04<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>LdL: I´ve tried to talk in #debian-br...but anyone was free...i will try in english...
22:04<eljefe>aah, therein lies a good question.
22:04<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>LdL:Maybe i can take a long time to aswer...
22:04<eljefe>try in english
22:04<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>LdL:The Problem...I ran "dpkg -i PlayOnLinux_3.0.8.deb" error ocurred...
22:05<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>LdL:Please view :
22:05<kde-devel>Here is what I emailed the webmaster. Good grief! As an 8 or nine year user of Debian can I complain a little? The default web page stinks! I know it is kept to a minimal graphically, but even the info and the navigation is confusing and is a mess! I love Debian, but are we seriously trying to promote "Come check out Debian... We look like an unorganized mess, but once you get into it it's pretty solid." That is a hard message to sell! Why don't the
22:05<kde-devel>developers take a weekend and roll out a more organized site? You can still keep it simple!
22:05<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>LdL:I founded a release in i use it?
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22:05<mtnman>amphi it is easier to complain than contribute
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22:05<dondelelcaro>kde-devel: uh... you're more than welcome to help out and make the web page better, but just complaining about it is useless.
22:06<kde-devel>The webmaster emailed me back and asked me to post it on one of the Debian mailing lists. I think he might want a change too!
22:06<eljefe>or a fight :)
22:06<dondelelcaro>kde-devel: the webmaster is just a role address; debian-www is the right mailing list
22:07<dondelelcaro>kde-devel: and they'll tell you exactly what I'm telling you now: We're always looking for people who want to help
22:07<dondelelcaro>(but complaining about it isn't helping)
22:07<kde-devel>dondelelcaro, I know that. The first step to "helping" is identifying if others see it as aprolem. Hence the "complaint."
22:07<dondelelcaro>kde-devel: nah, the first step is identifying if you think it's a problem
22:07<dondelelcaro>kde-devel: then if it is, you figure out what the proper solution to the problem is, and then you implement the solution
22:08<dondelelcaro>kde-devel: you can always ask for other people's opinions, but none of that involves complaining
22:08<kde-devel>dondelelcaro, thanks, there Einstein. I guess I'm up to step 3.
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22:10<eljefe>Lestat_di_Lioncourt: you have a problem with python-wxgtk2.8. to install this, you have to enter this line into the file /etc/apt/sources.list or with Synaptic or some other package-manager: "deb etch-wx main" Then (as root) update: apt-get update && apt-get install _programname_
22:11<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>this line is in /etc/apt/sources.list
22:11<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>i yet add this line there...
22:15<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>please see...
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22:16<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>my file /etc/apt/sources.list contains "deb etch-wx main"
22:18<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>Please see too... and
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22:19<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>maybe this happen because in /main don´t have any Release...only out of main...
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22:19<simonrvn>yes, so now you need to update
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22:19<Lestat_di_Lioncourt><simonrvn> for me?
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22:19<simonrvn>who else is talking right now? ;)
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22:31<rchandia>It seems you need to import their PGP key into apt
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22:31<rchandia>From their howto at
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22:32<rchandia>curl | sudo apt-key add -
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22:34<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>i will try thanks...
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22:37<DeltaS4>is there any way to install debian lenny through ssh?
22:38<DeltaS4>and what solution would you advice me for an old computer?
22:39<qq>how old computer?
22:39<abrotman>DeltaS4: the install guide tells how
22:39<abrotman>!ssh install
22:39<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ssh install is, or
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22:39<superlinux-2>hi all
22:39<DeltaS4>192mb of mem and 4gb of hdd
22:39<superlinux-2>abrotman hi
22:40<superlinux-2>how's going bro?
22:40<abrotman>how did he know i was here?
22:40<abrotman>DeltaS4: xfce should be fine .. if not .. try fluxbox/blackbox
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22:40<superlinux-2>abrotman are u refering to me?
22:43<abrotman>DeltaS4: you did leave out the CPU
22:43<DeltaS4>cpu MHz : 434.327
22:44<DeltaS4>model name : Celeron (Mendocino)
22:44<Lestat_di_Lioncourt><eljefe>, <rchandia> Thanks so much!...I will try root...Maybe I come back with other problems...!
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22:46<path>does anybody know a gtk app frontend for reportbug ?
22:47<abrotman>uhm .. yes
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22:47<abrotman>might not be in etch/lenny though
22:48<abrotman>yeah .. only in sid
22:48<qq>DeltaS4: here >>CPU Info Pentium II (Deschutes) clocked at [ 447.685 MH] Memory 126.1/186.5MB
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22:51<DeltaS4>xfce has anything like foomatic-gui?
22:52<qq>DeltaS4: apt-cache search xfce
22:53<DeltaS4>ah, X is crashing when I try tae start xfce4-terminal
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22:54<nickburns>Hi, all, long time Linux user but giving Debian another shot after a couple of years... I have a DWL-G122 wireless G USB device and have compiled and modprobe'd rt2570 successfully. however, I do not see the wireless device in ifconfig -a ....can anyone offer me a suggestion?
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22:56<path>where the hell went ipw2200 on apt ?
22:57<abrotman>in which version of debian ?
22:57<path>I've just installed a lenny, saw the mail it was removed some time ago
22:57<rchandia>i think ipw2200 comes with the kernel nowadays
22:58<abrotman>as iwlwifi
22:58<path>rchandia, and also the firmware ?
22:58<path>ouh I see
22:58<path>thats on debian wiki thanks :)
22:58<abrotman>strange how that stuff gets documented :)
22:58<nickburns>guys - any help with my wireless usb?
22:59<abrotman>how did you compile the drivers:?
22:59<nickburns>abrotman: module-assistant
22:59<dpkg>The rt2x00 project ( provides next-generation drivers (rt2x00) for the <Ralink> rt2400, rt2500, rt2570, rt61 and rt73 chipsets. Etch: Packaged in Debian as 'rt2x00-source', read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian for compilation instructions. Lenny: Drivers included as from kernel 2.6.24. Also ask about <ralink firmware>.
22:59<rchandia>nickburns: using lenny? can you du a lsusb?
22:59<nickburns>Bus 001 Device 006: ID 2001:3704 D-Link Corp. [hex] DWL-G122 802.11g rev. A2
22:59<abrotman>nickburns: you got the firmware right ?
23:00<nickburns>abrotman: er, not sure?
23:00<path>abrotman, in the QA there is no reference to the change
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23:00<path>"This package is neither part of unstable nor experimental"
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23:00<abrotman>!ralink firmware
23:00<dpkg>Firmware is required for the rt61pci and rt73usb drivers from the <rt2x00> project. Install the <non-free> 'firmware-ralink' package (etch-backports, lenny, sid) or manually acquire from, unextract and transfer the *.bin file(s) to /lib/firmware.
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23:03<nickburns>abrotman, thanks i did that...grabbed Firmware RT2501USB(RT2571W/RT2671) -- is that right?
23:03<nickburns>there is no RT2570 that's the closest i could get
23:04<abrotman>no idea .. i don't use it ..
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23:04<abrotman>just trying to help :)
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23:04<nickburns>i appreciate the help, i just tried rmmod and modprobe again but still nothing
23:04<abrotman>nothing in dmesg?
23:04<nickburns>usbcore: registered new driver rt2570
23:04<nickburns>that's it
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23:05<abrotman>seems good .. but apparently not everything
23:05<gsimmons>nickburns: Try using the rt73usb driver from the rt2x00 project, instead of the legacy rt2570 driver (of which your current version doesn't recognise your device). If you must use the legacy driver, use the 'rt2570-source' package from stable.
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23:06<abrotman>then why doesn't the dwl-g122 factoid mention that?
23:06<nickburns>gsimmons - ok trying rt73usb
23:06<chealer>nickburns: which Debian suite do you use?
23:06<gsimmons>abrotman: Because the factoid mentions rt2x00 drivers?
23:07<abrotman>which is wrong?
23:07<abrotman>bah .. wireless sucks
23:07<nickburns>chealer: er, you tell me here's the ISO i installed with -- debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso
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23:09<chealer>nickburns: that would be Debian stable. did you install firmware-ralink?
23:09<nickburns>i grabbed Firmware RT2501USB(RT2571W/RT2671) from the site and put it in /lib/firmware
23:10<nickburns>the .bin file (rt73.bin)
23:10<nickburns>rt73, hm, so maybe i need the rt73 module?
23:11<chealer>nickburns: which chipset does your Ralink card use?
23:13<nickburns>er rt2570
23:16<nickburns>chealer just compiled and installed rt73, still no go
23:16<nickburns>you dont think it's something like im missing a package for usb support or something?
23:17<nickburns>(cant be - just picked up my usb mouse no problem)
23:18<chealer>nickburns: rt73 is for RT2501USB. you want a RT2500USB driver.
23:18<chealer>nickburns: no, not a usb support problem
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23:19<dpkg>The rt2x00 project ( provides next-generation drivers (rt2x00) for the <Ralink> rt2400, rt2500, rt2570, rt61 and rt73 chipsets. Etch: Packaged in Debian as 'rt2x00-source', read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian for compilation instructions. Lenny: Drivers included as from kernel 2.6.24. Also ask about <ralink firmware>.
23:19<chealer>!literal dwl-g122
23:19<dpkg>"dwl-g122" is "<reply> see rt2x00"
23:20<nickburns>i have rt2x00 installed already :-\
23:20<nickburns>try rt2500?
23:20<chealer>gsimmons: that could be more precise
23:20<gsimmons>chealer: In what regard?
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23:21<gsimmons>nickburns: What is the "H/W Ver" listed on the underside of your device?
23:21<superlinux-2>guys! had any of you any experiance in SmartRAID V?
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23:21<nickburns>gsimmons: HW Ver A2 FW Ver 1.02
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23:22<chealer>nickburns: no, rt2500 is for RT2500, which is a PCI device. RT2570 is part of RT2500USB, which is *not* RT2500 (Asian manufacturers...)
23:22<nickburns>so rt2570 or rt2x00 should be working?
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23:22<chealer>gsimmons: mentioning alternative drivers, assuming rt2570 is one.
23:23<shivraj>how can I have a bunch of directories under one dir, and many files in each directory. I want to copy all the files to a single directory
23:23<shivraj>these are mp3 files
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23:23<shivraj>whats a good command to do that ?
23:23<shivraj>cp -R ?
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23:28<shivraj>any help ?
23:28<rchandia>shivaraj: for f in */*.mp3; do cp $f dest/dir; done
23:28<nickburns>chealer gsimmons - any other advice?
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23:29<chealer>nickburns: not necessarily with Etch's rt2x00, which is little more than a pile of bugs.
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23:30*nickburns shudder...ndiswrapper?
23:30<chealer>nickburns: I never used rt2570, but it should work.
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23:31<nickburns>well it compiles and installs fine but doesnt find the device
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23:34<rchandia>nickburns: could it be that the usb id is not in the driver?
23:35<shivraj>rchandia : that doesnt work
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23:36<nickburns>rchandia: how would i check?
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23:36<rchandia>shivarj: I assumed there that you'd cd into the directory and the mp3 files would all be one dir deep
23:37<superlinux-2>i was away sorry
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23:37<superlinux-2> had any of you any experiance in SmartRAID V?
23:38<superlinux-2>cos i am booting of direct scsi disk access rather than the dpti0 that's supposed to be as far as i under stand
23:38<shivraj>they're not one dir deep, NowMusic/NowMusic1/cd1/*mp3
23:38<shivraj>its like that
23:39<superlinux-2>.. therefore that's my problem
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23:40<chealer>dpkg: no, rt2x00 is a project ( providing drivers for <Ralink> RT2400, RT2500, RT2500USB, RT2600, RT2501 and RT2501USB chipsets, and a driver from that project. The driver is available as an out-of-tree LKM in Etch, packaged as 'rt2x00-source', read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian for compilation instructions. Starting from lenny/Linux 2.6.24, it is included in Linux. Also ask me about <ralink firmware>.
23:40<dpkg>okay, chealer
23:41<rchandia>shivarj: perhaps something like: find -name \*.mp3 -print0 | xargs -0 echo cp -t dest/dir
23:41<superlinux-2>chealer u have a problem in that card?
23:42<chealer>superlinux-2: no, we were discussing factoids due to nickburns's questions earlier.
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23:42<gsimmons>chealer: There is no "rt2x00" driver, as such.
23:42<superlinux-2>ok then.. do u have any clue to my problem?
23:42<nickburns>chealer, gsimmons - got it working with ndiswrapper - not a great solution but good enough for now, thanks for your help guys
23:42<superlinux-2>well there is the rt61 as a firmware
23:42<superlinux-2>that what should ut be
23:42<superlinux-2>that what should't be
23:43<superlinux-2>i had that card before
23:44<superlinux-2>i donno what made it busted.. the OS can see it.. but it's not working at all
23:44<superlinux-2>it was a linksys wireless card
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23:45<superlinux-2>and then i went and bought blindly a card gambling with myself that it works on linux, then i happened to be Aetheros
23:46<superlinux-2>and aetheros is has soo many options
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23:49<chealer>dpkg: no, rt2x00 is a project ( providing drivers for <Ralink> RT2400, RT2500, RT2500USB, RT2600, RT2501 and RT2501USB chipsets, and a set of drivers from that project. The rt2x00 drivers are available as (quite buggy) out-of-tree LKM-s in Etch, packaged as 'rt2x00-source', read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian for compilation instructions. Starting from lenny/Linux 2.6.24, rt2x00 is included in Linux. Also ask me
23:49<dpkg>chealer: okay
23:49<chealer>about <ralink firmware>.
23:50<chealer>dpkg: no, rt2x00 is a project ( providing drivers for most <Ralink> cards, and a set of drivers from that project. The rt2x00 drivers are available as (quite buggy) out-of-tree LKM-s in Etch, packaged as 'rt2x00-source', read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian for compilation instructions. Starting from lenny/Linux 2.6.24, rt2x00 is included in Linux. Also ask me about <ralink firmware>.
23:50<dpkg>okay, chealer
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23:53<superlinux-2>no one answered my question.. no one has a clue?
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23:54<newsense>you read the iwconfig manpage ?
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23:54<newsense>i never had a problem buying a wireless card for linux
23:55<chemosi>#join /clug-ve
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23:55<syntax>I just did a dist-upgrade from bo to ubuntu hardy and now my system won't boot. how do I fix it??
23:56<mtnman>from bo, hah. i still have a drive around somewhere that boots to bo!
23:56<chealer>nickburns: are you sure DWL-G122 802.11g rev. A2 uses RT2500USB?
23:57<mtnman>the first time i installed bo, the command "shutdown" was missing :)
23:57<syntax>I was waiting for someone to take me seriously there to see what kind of response I'd get :-(
23:57<Chocobo>Would someone mind taking a look at the output of my dmesg? I am getting some strange sr0 block errors.
23:57<syntax>mtnman, lol
23:57<Chocobo>(they are near the bottom)
23:57<mtnman>debian has come a long way since then... in only about 10 years...
23:58<syntax>yeah, a very long way
23:58<mtnman>you might even say it has come "lightyears"
23:58<syntax>I just wish vendors would embrace it more
23:59<gsimmons>chealer: AFAICT, that device revision is based on the Prism54 chipset. Which if true, would explain the difficulties in using Ralink drivers. :)
23:59<mtnman>depends what you mean by "embrace". ubuntu seems to have "embrace and extended" more or less
23:59<syntax>due to new hardware and the old kernel in etch not supporting some of it, I'ma fraid I'm gonna have to do some tricky tftp installation methods
23:59<Chocobo>I guess the system is running alright, I could just ignore the errors.
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