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00:00<syntax>mtnman, I mean I wish more vendors would support Debian as well, since some are now supporting Ubuntu
00:00<chealer>gsimmons: right
00:00<syntax>my delima is the new hardware old kernel thing
00:01<mtnman>syntax: we don't need no stinkin' vendor support.
00:01<syntax>lol
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00:02<syntax>are you saying that if you get a new server, break out your etch CD, pop it in and it doesn't recognize the hard disks because the chipset is too new isn't a problem to you?
00:02<dondelelcaro>!kmuto
00:02<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>.
00:02<dondelelcaro>syntax: see above.
00:02<syntax>doesn't that lead to backports?
00:03<dondelelcaro>syntax: a single backported kernel, yes, but that's no big deal.
00:03<syntax>sweet
00:03<mtnman>syntax: if i had ever had the opportunity to install on new hardware i would comment. i use only "recycled" hardware.
00:03<syntax>thanks :-)
00:03<gsimmons>!tell nickburns -about islsm
00:04<mtnman>yo ho dr. don
00:04<syntax>dondelelcaro, this is exactly what I'm looking for
00:04<syntax>I was about to embark on my own project to do the same thing
00:04<nickburns>gsimmons - thanks will have a look also
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00:05<syntax>ubuntu firmware? wth is that?
00:06<gsimmons>nickburns: I'd be interested in the output from a `lsusb' command on your system, if/when convenient. You can provide this output at a paste site.
00:09<syntax>dondelelcaro, so is this guy at kmuto.jp using backported kernels from testing or unstable?
00:09<chealer>dpkg: no, dwl-g122 is a card that uses a RT2500USB chipset for some revisions. To install a driver for these revisions in Etch, ask me about <rt2x00> for the current driver, or use the (legacy) rt2570 driver.
00:09<dpkg>chealer: okay
00:09<syntax>or are these his own custom compiled kernels?
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00:13<syntax>has anyone here been around long enough to run Debian 0.93R6?
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00:14<newsense>lol
00:14<syntax>or buzz?
00:14<newsense>not me
00:14<dondelelcaro>anyone can run those; they're all still available
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00:14*mtnman 's first deb system was bo
00:15<syntax>mine too
00:15<newsense>debian will run out of toy story characters before i die
00:15<syntax>lol
00:15<mtnman>newsense: well, not to be pessimistic, but you can die at any moment.
00:16<syntax>with the release cycle of Debian versions, I highly doubt that :-)
00:16<newsense>dammit
00:16*newsense finds wood to knock on
00:16<newsense>syntax, lol probobly
00:16<dondelelcaro>there aren't too many original toy story characters left, but there are still some
00:17*mtnman hands newsense a deb 3.o system so he can knock on woody
00:17<dondelelcaro>(and we do release around every two years, so...)
00:17<newsense>what is left ?
00:17<mtnman>3.0 even..
00:17<newsense>i cant even think of any
00:17<dondelelcaro>newsense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters
00:17<newsense>lol no shit
00:17<syntax>dondelelcaro, enough to last Debian another 2 decades :-)
00:17<newsense>wikipedia has it
00:18<syntax>my biggest wait was from woody to sarge
00:18<newsense>yeah were all good for a while
00:18<syntax>and I kinda wonder why they called that a major upgrade
00:18<syntax>it went from 3.0 to 3.1
00:19<syntax>potato to woody was pretty long too
00:19<dondelelcaro>!release history
00:19<dpkg>Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>.
00:19<newsense>my great grandkids might run bullseye oneday
00:19<newsense>maybe even great great
00:20<syntax>but I totally prefer old binaries for stability than new shit to get the bells and whistles
00:20<syntax>haha
00:20<syntax>I wonder what will come after sid
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00:20<mtnman>sid will always be.
00:21<newsense>i think i started out on slink
00:21<syntax>they should hold polls for the next name
00:21<newsense>as far as debian goes
00:21<dondelelcaro>syntax: nah; it's the RM's job to decide
00:21<dondelelcaro>if you want to have a vote, become an RM.
00:21<dondelelcaro>(you do the work, you get to choose)
00:21<syntax>promote me to president! then kick me
00:21<syntax>j/k
00:22<newsense>or woody whicxhever came first
00:22<syntax>I don't care what it is. I just appreciate the work
00:22<syntax>has anyone heard about the do-dist-upgrade script from ubuntu?
00:22<newsense>no
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00:22<newsense>what is it ?
00:23<syntax>I only heard about it, but I think it's supposed to allow you to roll back from a dist-upgrade
00:23<BRAZUCA>WHAT OR SERVER IS VENEZUELA ????????
00:23*syntax reaches over and presses BRAZUCA's caps lock key.
00:23<newsense>syntax, cleanly ?
00:23<BRAZUCA>what or server is venezuela
00:24<syntax>newsense, no clue. A teammate at work tried it today. he said the dist upgrade went well, so I don't think he had to try to roll back
00:24<newsense>!vz
00:24<newsense>!ve
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00:24<newsense>i would never attempt to roll back
00:24<syntax>is venezuela in Italy?
00:24<syntax>newsense, why not?
00:24<newsense>besides a testing sstem
00:25<syntax>it'd be great if a dist-upgrade hosed something
00:25<newsense>on a production system, forget it
00:25<syntax>I'd trust a roll back ona *ix box far more than a windows one
00:25<syntax>but I guess it all depends on how it's done
00:25<mtnman>venezuela and italy are separate countries
00:25<newsense>i run windows and i hate to aaaadmit it but im a gamer too
00:25<syntax>what do they speak there?
00:26<mtnman>where?
00:26<syntax>I do and am too
00:26<syntax>in venuzuela
00:26<mtnman>espanol
00:26<newsense>but i run linux unless i want to game
00:26<syntax>oh, then maybe he can check one of the spanish chans
00:26<Tsuki>Okay, this is really off topic but is anyone following all the media work being put out on "The Dark Knight"?
00:27<syntax>no
00:27<newsense>i wanna see it, im a chicagoan
00:27<newsense>kinda cool to see your city as gotham city
00:28<syntax>newsense, I went full linux once, even while gaming. it was nice, but I ran in to issues with some games, namely those with punkbuster
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00:28<syntax>I went that route for about 4 years before I went back to windows for gaming
00:28<newsense>not all good pc games are made for linux
00:28<newsense>not many at all
00:29<syntax>you can get most to run and run well, punkbuster is anti-cheat software, so it didn't like running under GNU
00:29<newsense>i got vista and since i got my ps3 have booted into it 3 times in last few months
00:29<syntax>I got vista on my work laptop. I hate it
00:29<syntax>I bought it to put on my home PC but I don't think I will
00:29<BRAZUCA>fucky all
00:29<syntax>that's another copy of vista that's purchased but never registered, lol
00:29<newsense>im gonna most likely delete the windows partitiojn, ps3 is nice
00:29<BRAZUCA>FUCK ALL
00:30<BRAZUCA>FUCK ALL
00:30<BRAZUCA>FUCK ALL
00:30<BRAZUCA>FUCK ALL
00:30<BRAZUCA>FUCK ALL
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00:30<syntax>BRAZUCA, thanks!
00:30<newsense>gonna throw debian on it too
00:30<syntax>!br
00:30<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
00:30<newsense>what a ****
00:30<syntax>lol, damn
00:30<syntax>!br
00:30<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
00:30<syntax>BRAZUCA, there you go, happy trails :-)
00:31<syntax>and thanks for the fish
00:31<newsense>lol
00:31<Tsuki>I'm just looking over the whysoserious.com website. It's a little freaky
00:31<newsense>happy trails to you
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00:31<syntax>Tsuki, it's serious because Debian Gotham is serious business
00:32<syntax>sorry for my chatter, I'm just waiting for this VMware image to finish allocating disk space for my image
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00:33<syntax>I'll troll more for humor while the channel is dead :-)
00:34<infotron>yeah. you do that.
00:34<Tsuki>Mwahaha. :P
00:35<syntax>so, I decided that one of my etch packages was too old for <insert binary utility here>, so I used alien to upgrade one of my packages from rpm. now I get errors when I run <insert binary utility here>. where did I go wrong?
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00:36<syntax>how do I upgrade from Redhat to Debian?
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00:36<infotron>you install it. duh
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00:36<Tsuki>This is HARD: http://www.whysoserious.com/redballoons/
00:36<syntax>how do I upgrade from Slackware to Debian?
00:38<infotron>!tell syntax -about netinst
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00:38<infotron>you install it. there's not clean cut upgrade path.
00:38<infotron>oh, actually,
00:38<infotron>!tell syntax -about i-g
00:39<syntax>ok, ok... on a more serious note. it seems that we're lacking the ability to roll back in case of a bad upgrade. I'm thinking of starting a new project such as apt-rollback and also adding functionality into apt-get with an apt-get dist-downgrade feature. what do you all think?
00:40<syntax>so, in essence, apt-get dist-downgrade will be like dist-upgrade. it will take you back down to the previous release. apt-rollback will provide something like a checkpoint and perform something similar to dist-downgrade, but aimed more toward rolling back from an apt-get upgrade
00:41<syntax>based on how apt is just a front-end to dpkg, and dpkg knows how to handle all the dependencies, it seems like this is possible
00:41<infotron>that's not very relavant w/in debian. we have snapshot debs for older releases not found on mirrors. after that it's config files and user data.
00:42<syntax>infotron, but if apt-rollback kept track of what was and what will be, it should be able to handle it
00:42<infotron>sure
00:42<syntax>so, in most cases, even during a dist-upgrade, config files are normally left alone. if not, they're parsed and upgraded, correct?
00:42<infotron>that's right. downgrading isn't supported.
00:43<syntax>I understand that downgrading isn't. that's whre apt-rollback will come in
00:43<infotron>what if you make changes to your configs long time after the upgrades? What if it's not compatible with the old version?
00:44<syntax>apt-rollback will integrate with apt-get and dpkg tightly. if it sees that packageXS T G OLD CONFIG FILE AND BACKS IT UPFILE< IT TAKES THE OLD CONFIG FILE AND BACKS IT UP> THAT DOESN"T TAKE MUCH DISK SP
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00:44<syntax>sorry for the caps< term is screwed< brb
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00:47<syntax>sorry about that
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00:48<syntax>good point you have there, however, my project will be aimed more toward those who do a dist-upgrade or upgrade and find something not working before their next dist-upgrade or upgrade
00:48<syntax>e.g. limit the recovery to the previous point before failure
00:49<syntax>kinda like using a snapshot based filesystem but not using the filesystem as a recovery point
00:49<syntax>that way it's not filesystem dependent
00:50<syntax>I think that, based on the information apt gives us during an upgrade or dist-upgrade, we can determine which packages are new and which are upgrades
00:50<syntax>then we should be safe with dpkg --purge on the new and dpkg --remove on the upgrades
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00:51<syntax>or maybe even dpkg --purge on the upgrades and grab the pre-config files from the backup apt-rollback makes
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00:57<syntax>does anyone else have input for my project? feedback is much appreciated
00:57<syntax>maybe this isn't the right channel to ask
00:57<syntax>?
00:58<syntax>I'd like to gather as much input as I can before taking it to the mailing lists
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01:01<syntax>samba has come a long way
01:02<infotron>and it started out small and beautiful.
01:02<syntax>yeah
01:02<syntax>I blame MS for making it so complex
01:02<syntax>but I do love how AD is based on LDAP and Kerberos
01:02<infotron>Novell gave them most of that as an idea.
01:02<syntax>that was a different approach for MS, even though they added their own twist to it
01:03<syntax>really?
01:03<infotron>edirectory or whatever it's called?
01:03<syntax>hmm
01:03<syntax>have you ever tried iFolder?
01:03<infotron>nope
01:03<syntax>do you run any windows boxes?
01:03<infotron>zero
01:04<syntax>ahh, no use for you, then :-)
01:04<infotron>buhuhahaha
01:04<syntax>lol, it's a way to sync files between PCs
01:04<infotron>I have rsync for that
01:04<syntax>at my last job, we used it to sync My Docs
01:04<syntax>yeah, goodie for *ix :-)
01:04<infotron>and if the filesystem supports hardlinks, you can create generational snapshots too
01:05<syntax>I never really understood hardlinks as opposed to softlinks. can you explain?
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01:05<infotron>I use it to backup my server stuff all the time. :) saves tons of disk space.
01:05<infotron>symlinks don't contain the content. hardlinks look like normal files, but there are two pointers to the same data.
01:06<syntax>ahh
01:06<infotron>symlinks can point into another filesystem, hardlinks must reside on the same block device (partition etc)
01:06<syntax>so if one hardlink is deleted, does the data get deleted?
01:06<syntax>ok
01:06<infotron>not until all the hardlinks are deleted
01:06<syntax>alright
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01:06<infotron>technically every file has atleast one hardlink
01:06<syntax>so why would one use a hardlink instead of a soft?
01:07<syntax>why does every FS have at least one hardlink?
01:07<infotron>if you have two hardlinks on a file, you can safely delete one. not always true on softlinks.
01:07<infotron>0 hardlinks = no file
01:07<syntax>are softlinks and deletion of them dependent upon the shell or what?
01:08<infotron>no. unlink is a system call
01:08<CompWizrd>backuppc uses them as a way of tracking backups.. creates a hardlink to the file instead of creating a new duplicate file.. and does garbage collection to track if the file no longer exists in any backups
01:08<infotron>!unlink
01:08<syntax>ok, making more sense now. with softlinks (in most cases) you can delete all softlinks but still remain the binary file, or text
01:08<CompWizrd>so a typical backuppc machine might have 500,000 real files, and 5 million hardlinks or more.
01:08<syntax>unlink is kernel based?
01:08<infotron>yeah. you can rm -Rf the old generation, and the new generation is unaffected.
01:09<infotron>afaik, yeah.
01:09<infotron>unlink is the system call. every filesystem does it differently.
01:09<infotron>ext2/3, fat, nfs, etc
01:09<CompWizrd>but if you delete the original file on a softlink, it's gone, all the symlinks now dangle. a hardlink still keeps a copy till you hit 0
01:09<syntax>CompWizrd, interesting
01:10<syntax>I still don't understand how softlinks and hardlinks differ from each other, other than how if you delete all hardlinks, the file is gone, and if you delete all softlinks, the file will exist
01:10<syntax>infotron, unlink = linking files like symlink or hardlinks?
01:11<infotron>if you delete the final desitnation of where your softlinks point, all the data is gone.
01:11<syntax>ok, I see that now
01:11<syntax>so the symlinks exist but point to nothing
01:11<syntax>if you delete the destination file of a hardlink, do the links disappear?
01:12<infotron>it's like a shortcut in windows. you can have a bad shortcut point to a non existant place
01:12<syntax>ok
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01:12<infotron>depends on how many hardlinks exist for that file. after it drops to 0, the real data is deleted.
01:12<syntax>ok
01:12<syntax>nice
01:12<infotron>otherwise they're like duplicate entrys in the filesystem
01:12<syntax>that's really cool
01:13<infotron>!inode
01:13<dpkg>i heard inode is a filesystem entry: a file, a directory, or some other item
01:13<syntax>do they take up space?
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01:13<infotron>it's all about the inodes :)
01:13<syntax>ahh
01:13<infotron>some of this will explain more,
01:13<infotron>!tell syntax -about grounding
01:14<syntax>yeah, true
01:14<andr01d>errr... Hi all. Sorry for stupid question, but does anybody know how to change file associations in gnome?
01:14<syntax>it's been ages since I've read them and a lot has happened since then
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01:15<andr01d>i mean that, for ex., i want .py files to be opened by eclipse, not by gedit
01:16<jm_>sounds unintuitive, but perhaps right click on it?
01:16<andr01d>=)
01:16<andr01d>permanent association
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01:16<andr01d>by double-click
01:16<infotron>strace for the win
01:17<andr01d>i mean that i'd like to open .py files by eclipse double-clicking on them
01:17<syntax>infotron, you can strace an X based program and find output that's signicant to troubleshoot the problem?
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01:18<syntax>I mean, I understand that most X based programs invoke shell commands, but...
01:18<infotron>strace -e open,fork -o logstuff -p pid
01:18<infotron>just maybe...
01:18<infotron>er -fF too
01:19<infotron>you can strace any user space process. except maybe init
01:19<syntax>sweet
01:19*syntax hugs infotron.
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01:20<syntax>ultitasking sucks
01:21<syntax>as you can see from my text up there, "Windows multitasking sucks"
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01:22<syntax>I'm going to create some mirrors of GNU repositories for my job. what is most efficient to use and handles large files (4GB DVD images)? can rsync handle it?
01:23<CompWizrd>rsync can handle that, long as your filesystem can
01:23<CompWizrd>i've rsync'd 1 TB files before
01:23<syntax>can things get screwed up if there is a latency between downloads and disk writes?
01:24<syntax>or visaversa
01:24<syntax>and what did you use to download?
01:24<syntax>and where they binary or ascci files
01:25<syntax>and was it a point to point link or vpn?
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01:29<infotron>rsync can tell it's different and overwrite it after a new copy is uploaded
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01:30<syntax>I thought it recognized deltas
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01:33<syntax>takes a long time to start the partitioner when I have 350GB dedicated to linux :-(
01:33<syntax>what is d-i doing here?
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01:38<syntax>anyone have any questions?
01:39<syntax>good deal, Debian is flawless ;-)
01:39<syntax>j/k
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01:49<ramish>when is ath5k suppose to become part of the kernel?
01:49<gsimmons>ramish: It's already present in Debian kernel images, since 2.6.24.
01:50<ramish>hmm
01:50<ramish>interesting
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01:54<ramish>is there anyway to use that kernel during installation
01:54<ramish>?
01:55<jm_>yes
01:55<ramish>how would one go about such a task
01:56<jm_>!kmuto
01:56<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>.
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01:57<debboy>hello
01:57<debboy>could someone please guide me to becoming a new maintainer
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01:59<ramish>thank you
02:00<Owner>debboy, www.debian.org/developer
02:00<debboy>Not Found
02:00<debboy>devel/
02:01<Owner>main page has developer link
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02:02<debboy>i'm adopting an orphaned package. i'd like to host the source code in a repository. does debian have a repo i can use ?
02:02<jm_>read the docs
02:03<debboy>a yes or no would be nice. i'm taking some time off work to do this
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02:07<ramish>cool i would have resorted to freebsd because they support atheros out of the box, and unfortunately i dont know much about keeping a freebsd system up to date short of a build-world
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02:17<tritos>hi all.. help me pls.. i want use KDE (now i have gnome) but after apt-get install KDE and reboot system cant choose KDE in sesion menu..
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02:20<jm_>tritos: set is as default then
02:20<tritos>where
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02:20<jm_>update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
02:23<tritos>cant find it... :(
02:24<kingsley>Will someone with an ext3 file system who recently shutdown and booted kernel version 2.6.25 please tell me if your /var/log/messages file contains this string "EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem"?
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02:26<kingsley>Mine is leaving my root file system in a "not clean" state when shutting down.
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02:28<jm_>i am using 2.6.25 at work but I reboot it very rarely, I shall check what I'm using at home
02:28<kingsley>jm_: Thank you.
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02:30<jm_>kingsley: weren't you the one with device busy message at shutdown for / ?
02:30<kingsley>jm_: Yes, you have a good memory.
02:31<jm_>kingsley: that would explain " recovery required" message
02:31<kingsley>jm_: Correct-a-mundo.
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02:32<kingsley>jm_: I should probably also add that I'm still trying to determine why the shutdown (re)mount command failed.
02:33<kingsley>jm_: Have you been able to determine what you're using at home?
02:33<jm_>kingsley: my guess is you have some other fs mounted somewhere which fails to umount or something along those lines
02:33<jm_>kingsley: no, I am at work now, 7h to go still
02:33<Owner>you need to recover the journal
02:33<jm_>kingsley: but I am pretty certain I am not seeing this message
02:34<Owner>force a fsk when you reboot
02:34<kingsley>jm_: I've actually narrowed the failure down to a specific "mount" command in /etc/init.d/umountroot, which tries to remount / in read only mode.
02:34<jm_>he doesn't need to, the scripts take care of it
02:34<jm_>kingsley: yes, but the reason is elsewhere
02:35<kingsley>jm_: If you're so inclined, and think you may have some insight into the matter, perhaps you could elaborate.
02:35<jm_>kingsley: check /proc/mounts before it calls remount
02:36<kingsley>jm_: OK. I'll check it again, and let you know what I find.
02:37<jm_>kingsley: again? have you checked it before?
02:37<kingsley>jm_: Ohhhh yeaaa. I'm been diligently debugging this for days.
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02:44<kingsley>jm_: Much like California's governor, "I'm bock".
02:45<kingsley>jm_: Are you there?
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02:45<jm_>kingsley: yes
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02:50<kingsley>jm_: This most recent reboot was the second time that I'm aware of that the root file system was successfully (re)mounted. Both happened within the four re-boots since I changed the file system from EXT2 to EXT3. My experience, and the comments in 2.6.26's changelog regarding mount and timing lead me to suspect a bug in the kernel.
02:51<kingsley>jm_: Having said that, I'd be happy to show you the output of "cat /proc/mount", or ps, fuser, lsof, mount, fstab or mtab.
02:51<jm_>kingsley: which changelog entry?
02:51<kingsley>jm_: What do you think?
02:52<kingsley>Near the keyword "mount" at http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.26
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02:54<kingsley>jm_: As you can see, there are a bunch.
02:54<jm_>kingsley: keyword "mount" is mentioned > 450 times
02:55<jm_>ok some of that is amount
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02:55<KaiSVK>hi all
02:56<kingsley>jm_: My concern is that 2.6.25 has a subtle bug that's only revealed by looking for "EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem" in /var/log/messages.
02:56<KaiSVK>newsense: hello :), thanx again for yeasterday, with your help I installed nvidia drivers with the new kernel :)
02:56<KaiSVK>jm_: thank you too :)
02:57<jm_>kingsley: if that was the case many people would be hitting it - it's your shutdown thing that's problematic - what is in /proc/mounts when the problem occurs?
02:58<kingsley>jm_: Thanks for asking. I'm happy to reveals its nine lines. Where would you like to see them? In a pastebin? In #flood?
02:59<jm_>kingsley: and what did /etc/init.d/umountfs say?
02:59<jm_>kingsley: pastebin
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03:01<kingsley>jm_: I've only checked /etc/init.d/umountfs enough to see that it doesnt touch /. However, /etc/fstab does currently list a few non-existant partitions. But the root file system exists though.
03:03<kingsley>jm_: The "cat /proc/mounts" that preceded the working (re)mount command is at http://pastebin.com/m4aca523
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03:03<jm_>kingsley: ahh working case is only interesting in a sense to compare it to a non-working case
03:04<sasha>hi does anybody here have any knowlwdge in synce ?
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03:05<kingsley>jm_: Yes, I understand. I'm intrigued by the possibility that adding "cat /proc/mounts" may have affected the subsequent (re)mount.
03:06<jm_>kingsley: that would be rather bizarre ;)
03:07<kingsley>jm_: Yes, you're right of course. But the kernel developers did mention quite a few mount and timing bugs. I'll try removing "cat /proc/mounts" and see what happens!
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03:12<kingsley>jm_: I removed the "cat /proc/mounts" that was just before the troublesome (re)mount command, and now my /var/log/messages file once again reveals the dreaded line "EXT3-fs: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem."
03:13<jm_>kingsley: then add it at the end of umountnfs.sh
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03:15<kingsley>jm_: I agree with adding "cat /proc/mounts". It seems like a pragmatic workaround until 2.6.26 is packaged. However, I find myself wondering why you suggested adding it to umountnfs.sh.
03:16<jm_>kingsley: do you have any remote fs mounted?
03:16<kingsley>jm_: I do not.
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03:18<jm_>kingsley: ok then that's not the reason for your errors, but I would find it odd that kernel would not report anything if there's an error when umounting, maybe add dmesg -n7 at the start of umountroot script
03:19*kingsley considers rebooting again, to test the "cat /proc/mounts" workaround.
03:19<jm_>kingsley: another option would be that umounting some nodev fs is taking too long
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03:21<kingsley>jm_: Aside from the string buried in /var/log/messages, the only other indication that an error occurred is seen by pressing ctl-alt-F7 and seeing a brief warning that "/ is busy" after the failed (re)mount command.
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03:22<jm_>kingsley: yeah but there should be something before that that's a reason for it being busy
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03:25<kingsley>jm_: I'm intrigued by the possibility of dmesg -n7 revealing more. Do you happen to know if the enhanced diagnostics will be preserved anywhere after shutting down?
03:25<jm_>kingsley: no it's lost
03:26<kingsley>jm_: Perhaps I could add "dmesg -n7 at the top of the script, and "bash" before it exits.
03:26<jm_>kingsley: yeah or use serial console or network console
03:26<kingsley>Then, while paused at bash's prompt, do "dmesg | more".
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03:28<kingsley>jm_: Before I leave and become temporarily incommunicado during more testing, I should ask if my understanding is correct that an unqualified "dmesg" will reveal the enhanced diagnostics elicited by "dmesg -n7".
03:29<morgan`>hello
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03:30<jm_>kingsley: yeah, dmesg -n7 is just to make it print stuff on console, you can forget about it if you;re going to run dmesg by hand, or you could run dmesg -n7 before exiting the script to see if there's anything else that appears while other scripts ar run
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03:32<dataangel>hello, i have a question, when i am in my root account, all files in the directory show up the same color, unlike my other accounts, i have looked at the dircolors man page and am lost as to where the setting is
03:32<debboy>hi. why do I get the error dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends}
03:32<debboy>when the debhelper man page says i can use it ?
03:32<jm_>dataangel: eval $(dircolors)
03:33<kingsley>jm_: I'm afraid that I'm confused. How many dmesg's should I add to /etc/init.d/umountroot?
03:33<jm_>kingsley: just dmesg -n7 at the end
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03:34<kingsley>jm_: OK. I see from typing "dmesg -n7" at a root console that it produced no output. Where should I check for -n7's output?
03:35<dataangel>heh 1) no output from eval command , 2 no man page for eval command , i am going to use syanaptic and see if i can install additional nan pages
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03:35<jm_>eval is a bash command
03:36<jm_>kingsley: it doesn't produce any output, it only enables printing of messagesa at given level on console
03:36<dataangel>is bash the default shell on debian, i assume it is but assuptions as the mother of all **** ups
03:36<jm_>yes, try echo $0
03:36<dataangel>yeah , reports bash
03:36<jm_>dataangel: ahh wait, that's not it, you need to run: unset DIR_COLORS ls --color=auto
03:37<jm_>uhm LS_COLORS, not DIR_COLORS
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03:39<kingsley>jm_: So is the plan: 1.) Insert "dmesg -n7" at the top of /etc/init.d/umountroot 2.) insert a "bash" (or "read") at the bottom of /etc/init.d/umountroot to give me time to 3.) press ctl-alt-F1 to look for an insightful message on the console?
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03:39<jm_>kingsley: why can't you simply press ctrl-alt-f1 before initiating shutdown?
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03:41<dataangel>heh, well jm, i am going to take a look at my user .bashrc and my root .bashrc at the dircolors stuff and evaluate the differences.... :) it should be a intresting exercise, i wish i had windows to do it with without entering xwindows, but if i remember correctly the text window manger thingy doesnt work too well
03:42<kingsley>jm_: I suppose I could do something like "sleep 10" in an xterm, then ctl-alt-F1 to the root console, but I'd need to be a quick reader to catch error messages before the screen goes dark. It seems to me that I'd still need a read command in /etc/init.d/umountroot. What do you think?
03:42<jm_>dataangel: you don't need dircolor, but you need an alias for ls: ls --color=auto
03:42<dataangel>thanks for the info jm ...
03:42<jm_>kingsley: yeah that's why it would be better using serial/network console
03:43<jm_>dataangel: it should be in your bashrc, just commented out
03:43<kingsley>jm_: I see. If it weren't so late here, and if I had more hardware, I'd consider it.
03:44<jm_>kingsley: it only requires one extra computer ;)
03:44<jm_>kingsley: alternatively, you may just try 2.6.26 and see if it fixes it
03:45<kingsley>jm_: I'm going to leave and try a few more tests, but before I go, I'd like to thank you for your time and attention.
03:46<jm_>kingsley: no woorries
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03:47<dataangel>jm: sweet i modified the bashrc file and now have colors in my dir thanks
03:47<Bleupomme>Hello, I want to suppress every message on console during an upgrade. The problem is "INIT: version 2.86 reloading" is displayed regularly. What can I do to suppress this message?
03:48<jm_>!printk console
03:48<dpkg>it has been said that printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources.
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03:54<FFrom>question: how secure is a fresh install of debian stable with networking, out of the box, no firewall, no nothing, etc? walked away for a couple of days, was wondering if i should trust the install after downloads were taking a long time, and had other things to do, are passwords etc still secure?
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03:55<FFrom>?
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03:56<FFrom>i used a cd image from debian.org. entered user and root passwd's, waited for updates, reboot happened about 5 days later
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03:58<cahoot>FFrom: what do you expect a firewall would protect you from?
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04:00<FFrom>ello?
04:00<cahoot>?
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04:01<FFrom>so, how secure is a fresh install of debian?
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04:01<debboy>can someone please help with pbuilder? all it says is "Couldn't download Release!"
04:02<FFrom>i installed from image from debian.org. root passwd etc entered, reboot was about 5 days later, can i trust the integrity of this install?
04:02<cahoot>FFrom: you do realize the question is impossible to answer?
04:03<FFrom>why?
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04:04<cahoot>how would you measure 'trust'?
04:04<FFrom>im asking if there is something in place to protect a new install initially, what if the box sits unattened first off for 5-10 days
04:04<cspacematrix>hey folks
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04:05<cahoot>FFrom: do yo run any servers exposed to the net?
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04:06<FFrom>im not looking for a definition of the word "trust" im looking for advice as to where a fresh install of debian is safe, after being left connected to a network after a new install has taken place
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04:07<cahoot>FFrom: do yo run any servers/services exposed to/ accessible from the outside/internet?
04:07<FFrom>cahoot: nothing was configured, this is a new install, downloads were takeing a long time, the machine was left in a unconfigured state, initial reboot happened "days" later
04:08<FFrom>cahoot: i guess, no, what would be running after an install has taken place?
04:09<Bleupomme>FFrom: ssh for instance is running.
04:09<FFrom>and before a reboot?
04:10<Bleupomme>FFR
04:10<FFrom>so, is any fresh install left vulnerable for a time, until a firewall can be configured?
04:10<cahoot>FFrom: netstat -plunt will tell what's open to the outside
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04:10<dataangel>anyone know what package the man page for eval is ?????
04:10<jm_>dataangel: no
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04:13<sasha>hi if i click click shutdown in gnome menu it does not close the computer until i press on the power button , if i type halt everything works fine . Can somebody help ?
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04:14<Bleupomme>jm_: I set kernel.printk = 4 4 1 7 in /etc/sysctl.conf. And echo "4 4 1 7" > /proc/sys/kernel/printk. But INIT:version 2.86 reloading is still being displayed
04:15<jm_>Bleupomme: then change the levels, i.e. dmesg -n0
04:15<dataangel>heh i am amazed that there seems to be no man page for eval
04:16<FFrom>sasha: sounds like a legacy power management issue, make sure your useing strictly ACPI
04:16<cahoot>man bash?
04:16<sasha>FFROM : ok so what can i do
04:17<FFrom>sasha: if you have any legacy modules loading, that is, APM stuff, and you dont need them, compile a kernel that matches your hardware
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04:18<dataangel>heh i expected to type man eval or man -k eval and get a page
04:18<jm_>try help eval
04:19<FFrom>sasha: ACPI handles all of that in a more stable manner, and will shut down/power off correctly
04:19<dataangel>right gotta go thanks for your help, cheers
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04:20<sasha>i made a modprobe acpi wil try now thanks
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04:23<eddieB>how do i checkthe total bandwidth i've used on my server?
04:23<eddieB>check the*
04:24<jm_>eddieB: install vnstat
04:24<eddieB>jm_: will that tell me the usage before the install aswell?
04:24<jm_>eddieB: no
04:24<eddieB>jm_: anyway to get that info?
04:25<jm_>eddieB: has it been rebooted?
04:25<eddieB>jm_: not since the first day
04:25<jm_>eddieB: then ifconfig will give you the info
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04:28<eddieB>jm_: how many GBs is 2.9 GiB?
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04:29<jm_>eddieB: 2.9*1024*1024*1024/1000/1000/1000
04:29<eddieB>jm_: so 1000GB?
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04:30<jm_>eddieB: huh?
04:30<eddieB>jm_: what?
04:31<jm_>eddieB: your math skills are pretty bad it seems
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04:31<eddieB>jm_: yes they are
04:31<cli>i agree...
04:31<jm_>eddieB: so use a calculator for the above epression
04:31<jm_>expression
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04:32<eddieB>jm_: = 3.11385129
04:32<jm_>there you go
04:32<eddieB>jm_: so 300GB?
04:32<jm_>no, 3G
04:32<eddieB>jm_: i've used more than 3GB in the past hour..
04:33<jm_>eddieB: well then you are perhaps looking at the wrong interface
04:33<alexkr>use google calc
04:33<alexkr>it will show to you all
04:33<eddieB>alexkr: i did
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04:33<maxb><insert standard rant about GB == GiB except in the minds of hard disc manufacturers>
04:33<eddieB>jm_: i did ifconfix like you told me
04:33<eddieB>ifconfig
04:34<jm_>eddieB: ifconfig shows data for all interfaces - you need to apply logic and check the relevant one for your configuration
04:35<eddieB>jm_: so KiB?
04:35<alexkr>кто че понял?
04:35<jm_>!ru
04:35<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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04:54<ghost>hi all
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04:55<ghost>i restored an imap folder that was deleted, but now i can't see it from within evolution anymore
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04:55<ghost>can someone help me with this
04:55<ghost>?
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05:10<Ouranos999>/part
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05:10<Wesley>Is there an easy way splitting the tables inside a .sql dump file?
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05:18<Bleupomme>How can I provoke a INIT: version ... reloading?
05:18<jm_>try telinit q
05:19<Bleupomme>jm_: thank you
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05:20<JustSoul>Is it possible to make it easier:
05:20<JustSoul>if [ "$(SomeCommand &> /dev/null; echo $?)" != "0" ]; then....
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05:22<JustSoul>hello again
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05:26<jm_>JustSoul: what are you trying to achieve?
05:26<JustSoul>check exit code of SomeCommand
05:27<themill>JustSoul: if SomeCommand > /dev/null ; then ...
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05:29<Bleupomme>Does anyone know how to suppress the INIT: version ... reloading message? It does not seem to be a kernel log message as I tried everything to suppress it (printk, klogd, syslogd)
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05:30<JustSoul>good bye
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05:31<jm_>Bleupomme: ahh init prints it by writing directly to console
05:32<Bleupomme>jm_: Is there a way to prevent this?
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05:33<jm_>Bleupomme: you can start init with CONSOLE env var or change kernel console via console= boot option
05:33<jm_>Bleupomme: why is this suh a problem for you?
05:34<jm_>such*
05:34<Bleupomme>jm_: I'm doing an install/upgrade cd for people who don't know linux. I don't want them to be afraid if they see these messages
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05:36<jm_>Bleupomme: that message should not appaear on screen normally
05:37<jm_>Bleupomme: besides, they will use X won't they?
05:37<Bleupomme>jm_: No, they won't it's a server without X
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05:39<jm_>Bleupomme: surely no-one sane will let anyone who is scared by such a message touch a server
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05:41<pascal>,j
05:41<pascal>slt
05:41<Bleupomme>jm_: :) there is no choice. We have servers at hospitals without internet connection. There is no real IT staff, and they don't have internet connection. But the servers have to be upgraded
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05:42<Bleupomme>jm_: therefore an upgrade cd with a nice menu and everything automatized
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05:44<Bleupomme>jm_: But it's okay I abandon, we will have to tell them not to be afraid :)
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06:50<massmc>how do I add apps to the application menues? any help or docs I can read?
06:51<themill>dpkg: tell massmc about multiple ask
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06:52<massmc>ahhh multiple ask
06:52<massmc>which is a better channel then Sir
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06:56<themill>massmc: either is usually fine. For the most part, the same people answer questions in both channels. Freenode does tend to be busier which is good or bad depending on how you look at it.
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06:57<JustSoul>How to check in "if []" is symlink dead or not?
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06:57<jm_>JustSoul: man test
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06:58<Cheatah>you might want to take a look at lstat
06:59<themill>JustSoul: please stop asking every single question in both here and freenode...
07:00<JustSoul>ok
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07:06<alpha4466>join /#knoppix
07:06<alpha4466>helllo.....
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07:07<alpha4466>ne one running knoppix?
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07:10<alpha4466>hello.....
07:10<alpha4466>wow,
07:10<padski>try "/join #knopiix"
07:10<padski>knoppix
07:11<alpha4466>yeah.....
07:11<alpha4466>nobody home
07:11<alpha4466>cant get the auto fs daemon to stop and tried the nofstab.no luck.
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07:12<noflash>alpha4466, try #knoppix on irc.freenode.net
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07:12<alpha4466>page is open jus a minute.
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07:14<alpha4466>that server isnt working, neither is openproject.net.nobody is in the room.
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07:14<alpha4466>debbie just isnt fast enough.why i switched.
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07:15<lst>Is apt-get autoremove safe to use?
07:15<alpha4466>havent the need for it yet.
07:16<alpha4466>deinstall or remove usually works for me
07:16<lst>i heard it causes big problems in sid, but how is it in Testing?
07:17<alpha4466>using unstabe as knopper i wount know.
07:17<themill>lst: it works if you use it sensibly. Just like rm can cause big problems if you don't use it sensibly...
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07:19<alpha4466>im gonn try back later.
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07:22<lst> python-notify geeqie-common libccid libboost-thread1.34.1 libexiv2-4
07:22<lst> xulrunner-gnome-support libboost-date-time1.34.1 deluge-torrent-common
07:22<lst> python-openssl libxul0d python-pyopenssl libmime-perl libmozjs0d libgda2-3
07:22<lst> libboost-filesystem1.34.1 exiv2 libxul-common libgda2-common libjpeg-progs
07:22<lst> pcscd
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07:23<lst>oh pasted by accident here
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07:27<lst>http://paste.debian.net/11244/ this is what would be autoremoved
07:29<themill>lst: that looks safe to remove, as long as you don't need those things for anything that you have self-compiled.
07:30<lst>i'm wondering why the python-openssl is removed
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07:30<qq_>a new one is comming
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07:31<themill>lst: apt-cache show python-pyopenssl
07:32<lst>" It can be safely removed from your system."
07:32<themill>indeed
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07:33<etchgroup>hi, how are you
07:33<etchgroup>?
07:33<etchgroup>I have a question
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07:36<etchgroup>I use a modem 3G (huawei e220), IT's mounted on ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1
07:37<etchgroup>but, when I connect an usb serial port, I have a problem
07:37<etchgroup>It's possible to mount usb serial port by default on ttyUSB2 ? please
07:39<jm_>serial ports are character devices, you don't mount them
07:40<etchgroup>ok
07:40<etchgroup>so for force use usb serial port to ttyUSB2
07:40<jm_>that's just a name - why do you think it'll change anything?
07:41<etchgroup>because, my modem is mounted on ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1
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07:42<etchgroup>and when modem and usb serial port is connected on my pc, when the system launch, the modem is not detected
07:42<etchgroup>and my modem is obligatory use on ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1
07:42<jm_>then you could add udev rules to force it
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07:43<etchgroup>ok
07:43<etchgroup>I have try, but nothing
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07:43<etchgroup>Do you know the line to added ? please
07:44<themill>etchgroup: kop has been working on precisely this problem... I don't know how far he's got though.
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07:44<disposable>I have replaced openssh with dropbear on one of my etch servers. dropbear's homepage says it has scp, however, the debian package seems to be compiled without it; or am i missing something?
07:44<jm_>no, you need to look at attributes that you can match on using udevinfo and then write relevant rules
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07:45<etchgroup>themill : My problem is that use an usb serial port and a modem on usb
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07:45<jm_>disposable: why do you think that's the case?
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07:45<etchgroup>I connected my usb serial port and usb modem
07:46<etchgroup>I launch my pc
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07:46<etchgroup>the usb serial port is use on ttyUSB0
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07:46<disposable>jm_: there's no scp and apropos doesn't come up with anythign either
07:46<etchgroup>but my modem is not detected, because it use ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1
07:47<disposable>jm_: unless it has some really weird prefix
07:47<jm_>disposable: uhm scp is a client tool, dropbear package is ssh server
07:47<disposable>jm_: server and client
07:47<etchgroup>the detection on my modem is slowly compared by usb serial
07:47<jm_>disposable: it has dbclient
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07:47<jm_>disposable: as for scp, read the README.Debian for it
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07:48<etchgroup>so I want use by default usb serial port on ttyUSB2
07:48<etchgroup>not ttyUSB0
07:48<etchgroup>have you an idea themill ?
07:48<cahoot>etchgroup: some udev rule to edit perhaps?
07:48<etchgroup>please
07:48<etchgroup>cahoot : I have try, but nothong
07:48<etchgroup>nothing
07:48<etchgroup>sorrry
07:49<themill>etchgroup: not beyond what you've already been told.
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07:49<etchgroup>ok
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07:50<etchgroup>thanks
07:50<etchgroup>you
07:50<disposable>jm_: is it openssh-client package i need for scp? i don't want full ssh
07:51<disposable>jm_: with server
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07:51<jm_>disposable: yes as explained in the README
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07:52<KillerX>i already asked here but when i asked no one knew, prob now som1 knows... all details are here: http://paste.debian.net/11125/
07:52<disposable>jm_: the readme talks about ssh which is a metapackage with server and client. but thank you for pointing it out to me, i had already read taht readme and missed it.
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07:53<jm_>disposable: you are using Etch, right?
07:54<disposable>jm_: yes
07:54<jm_>disposable: it mentions openssh-client in Lenny
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07:54<disposable>jm_: ah
07:55<KillerX>what is the difference between the version perl-modules (>= 5.10.0-10+lenny1) and perl-modules (>= 5.10.0-10) ??
07:55<KammyDoe>Hey guys
07:55<jm_>KillerX: read the changelog
07:55<KammyDoe>What source does Debian need to be able to install ndiswrapper-source?
07:55<KillerX>i cant find the lenny1 :|
07:55<KillerX>to compile
07:56<jm_>KammyDoe: ndiswrapper-source is packaged
07:56<KammyDoe>I cant find it in Xubuntu
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07:56<jm_>!xubuntu
07:56<dpkg>methinks xubuntu is a derivative of Ubuntu with the Xfce desktop environment. /join #xubuntu @ irc.freenode.net for support. See also <based on debian>.
07:56<KammyDoe>I was wondering what source it was in apt-get, so i could add it
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07:58<jm_>you have no business compiling it if you can't find it
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08:02<qq_>KammyDoe: wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-source_1.28-1_all.deb
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08:11<Thotter>Is there a way to check if a user is in a certain group? I need it for a bash script I'm writing
08:11<jm_>Thotter: of course
08:11<Cheatah>groups <username>
08:12<Thotter>wonderful :)
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08:12<Thotter>thanks
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08:19<alpha4466>HEY! servers having issues or what?
08:20<alpha4466>tried to update and debbie's apt-get is giving me cant locate stuff.
08:20<alpha4466>worked last night.
08:20<Maulkin>What exact error message are you getting?
08:21<alpha4466>i get about half a million cant stat source package errors and it quits.
08:21<alpha4466>this is for stable apparently
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08:22<avu>tried a different mirror?
08:22<alpha4466>forgot, where was the list, debbie.org?
08:23<avu>first hit when googling for 'debian mirrors'...
08:23<alpha4466>thx.
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08:52<fanny_hill>hi
08:53<fanny_hill>excuseme,i have a question that i did use function that name is ioremap(),iounmap() and gcc compiler is print errmessage that vga_ctrl.c:(.text+0x21): undefined reference to `ioremap'
08:53<fanny_hill>vga_ctrl.c:(.text+0x3c): undefined reference to `iounmap'
08:54<fanny_hill>but my source is have headerfile that asm/io.h
08:54<fanny_hill>why cant compile?? the source??
08:54<jm_>fanny_hill: it's a linker error, not a compiler error
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08:54<fanny_hill>did you use the function that ioremap() and iounmap()?
08:55<fanny_hill>i cant understanding my link error
08:56<jm_>no
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08:56<fanny_hill>yes.. thanks
08:56<koolhead17>hi all
08:56<jm_>are you writing a kernel driver?
08:56<fanny_hill>what do you think of the error?
08:56<fanny_hill>yes..i am studying..
08:56<koolhead17>I need to create apache virtual host inside debian
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08:56<fanny_hill>hi
08:56<koolhead17>can you guys guide me
08:57<jm_>koolhead17: man a2ensite
08:58<jm_>fanny_hill: you obviously need to link the object that provides it with your tool, I am not familiar with kernel side of things
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09:00<fanny_hill>hmm...
09:00<fanny_hill>a man who searched google.com have a problem that same my problem..
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09:02<koolhead17>http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/virtualhosts.htm
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09:04<fanny_hill>koolhead17 : slowly read the paper,,you may be have a better ability about setting of apache..
09:05<koolhead17>?
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09:05<fanny_hill>if you slowly read the papaer,maybe,, you will have a better ability about setting of apache..
09:06<fanny_hill>my english is little,,sorry mm
09:06<fanny_hill>i am korea
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09:08<fanny_hill>jm_ : are you guess that my source have a problem??
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09:10<fanny_hill>d
09:10<jm_>fanny_hill: not necessarily, it's probably how you build it
09:12<superlinux>hi all
09:12<fanny_hill>hmm..thankyou ,,i dont know ..the error
09:12<superlinux>my problem is described in the dialog here http://pastebin.ca/1072331. my box i beside me now.
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09:14<superlinux>my problem is described in the dialog here http://pastebin.ca/1072331. my box i beside me now. therefore help is requested
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09:15<jm_>fanny_hill: on the other hand I see that drivers are not linking anything for ioremap so it's probably your build infrastructure that's at fault
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09:18<jm_>there is no (clear) description of the problem in that pastebin text
09:18<fanny_hill>jm_ : thank you,,
09:18<fanny_hill>hm..
09:18<superlinux>jm_: ..
09:19<superlinux>well all i want is to be able to boot from dpti; not from sd
09:19<fanny_hill>jm_ : are you think.. my linker error??
09:19<superlinux>i feel that the disk is slow
09:20<jm_>fanny_hill: well speaking out of the blue I would say it's your Makefile
09:20<jm_>superlinux: that makes no sense to me
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09:21<fanny_hill>ah
09:21<fanny_hill>jm_ : hehe,,zz sorry my english is little
09:21<superlinux>jm why?
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09:21<fanny_hill>my Makefile?? have a error rutin??
09:21<jm_>superlinux: why would you care?
09:22<superlinux>well i dont feel that the mirorring is working
09:22<jm_>fanny_hill: maybe check this http://kernelnewbies.org/FAQ/LinuxKernelModuleCompile
09:23<superlinux>and i can manage the disks using the dpti utils
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09:23<fanny_hill>can i write my code where this screen?? my code is 10 line.
09:23<superlinux>and i cannoot manage the disks using the dpti utils (sorry), cannot
09:23<jm_>fanny_hill: no
09:23<fanny_hill>yes..
09:23<jm_>dpti utils are not in debian it seems
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09:24<jm_>ok work is over for me now, have to run, sorry
09:24<fanny_hill>jm_ : how old are u?
09:24<jm_>fanny_hill: 36
09:24<DTE>hi all...i have some small problem with trying to replicate a real machine to a xen vm
09:24<fanny_hill>yes
09:24<fanny_hill>thank you
09:24<fanny_hill>see you
09:24<DTE>i cannot install grub on the xen vm
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09:25<DTE>as somebody already did it?
09:25<superlinux>jm_ i am using testing bro
09:25<fanny_hill>fm_ is out
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09:25<cspacematrix>het folks
09:26<cspacematrix>i need help on running firefox 3 on etch
09:26<avu>cspacematrix, firefox 3 is not in etch
09:26<themill>!firefox 3 etch
09:26<dpkg>Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it
09:27<superlinux>thenn.. ok.. i am going for a nap.. until someone has a clue
09:27<cspacematrix>there are several library file missing for it which i don't know how to address it
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09:27<cspacematrix>no i got it from mozilla site, (bzip2) package and unpacked it
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09:28<avu>cspacematrix, read those websites dpkg just told you about..
09:29<avu>cspacematrix, stop that
09:29<cspacematrix>ok
09:29<cspacematrix>i'm checking those 2 sites
09:29<cspacematrix>thanks dpkg
09:29<fanny_hill>who give a temp account for me??
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09:30<fanny_hill>i want my source compile other muchine..
09:30<avu>cspacematrix, don't. send me private messages.
09:30<cspacematrix>ok
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09:31<fanny_hill>i use the account in 10 minute..
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09:33<cspacematrix>ok i saw those pages but that's not my problem, i mean i don't receive those errors
09:34<cspacematrix>when i run ./firefox i get the file error like libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 , no such file or folder
09:35<cspacematrix>i ran ldd for firefox-bin and i got several files "not found" and
09:35<avu>cspacematrix, yes, because you don't have gtk 2.10. read those sites again and follow the instructions they give
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09:35<avu>cspacematrix, or, even better, follow dpkg's advice on waiting until someone else did a backport of firefox3
09:35<cspacematrix>i could create a sym link to some in /lib and after ldconf some become ok
09:36<avu>it won't work like that.
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09:36<cspacematrix>oh
09:36<moritz>hi
09:36<moritz>i have a problem with my usbcore
09:36<moritz>i cannot load the module
09:36<moritz>FATAL: Module usbcore not found.
09:37<moritz>i have a 25er amd64 kernel
09:37<cspacematrix>so .. ok then i'll try to compile a gtk 2.10
09:38*themill suspects there won't be a backport of ff3 for etch
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09:40<moritz>can someone help me?
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09:51<stevecotton>moritz - a standard one, or one you built yourself?
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10:21<DTE>i'm trying to install grub from the debian-live cd
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10:21<DTE>it says that it cannot find the stage1 and 2
10:21<DTE>if i check, they are there, in the /boot/grub dir
10:22<avu>are you using --root-directory correctly?
10:23<DTE>i'm using the shell
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10:23<avu>now idea how to do it from there, I always use grub-install in such cases
10:24<DTE>it should be easy...just a root and setup command
10:24<DTE>but i don't know why it's not working
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10:28<avu>DTE, well, just use grub-install --root-directory=/wherever/you/mounted/your/installation /dev/XdY?
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10:30<DTE>debian:~# grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/hda
10:30<DTE>/dev/mapper/raid-root does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
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10:32<christoph>anyone here an working 2.6.26 Kernel with r500 DRM?
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10:32<christoph>mine does not work somehow
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10:35<christoph>(EE) AIGLX error: Calling driver entry point failed(EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
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10:36<DTE>is the R500 supported in the actual xorg?
10:36<DTE>as drm i mean
10:36<enouf>yep
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10:36<enouf>erm, ask in #radeon,
10:36<christoph>ok
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10:37<christoph>enouf, freenode?
10:37<enouf>does .25 work? use that
10:37<enouf>yep
10:37<christoph>.25 has no drm for r500
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10:37<christoph>it's new in .26
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10:37<enouf>hrm...
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10:40<user>www.sunotoahmad41@yahoo.co.id
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10:43<Jefferson>oi
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10:46<enouf>christoph: heh, didn't realize we were on oftc here, otherwise i would've mentioned freenode
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10:54<christoph>enouf, no problem I noticed quite fast there is no -radeon on oftc
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10:57<enouf>christoph: attaboy ;-)
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11:08<ester>Hello. I just installed Debian for the first time. I first upgraded the kernel, restarted and then upgraded to Debian Lenny by replacing etch by lenny everywhere in sources.list and then executing "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". Then a lot of dependency problems, see http://www.pastebin.org/51584. Could anyone help me to solve this?
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11:10<Maulkin>update-xmlcatalog: error: entity already registered
11:10<Maulkin>That seems to be the main error
11:11<ester>And how do I solve it. I never saw that kind of error before.
11:11<Maulkin>This seems to be http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=482140
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11:11<Maulkin>You'll have to learn to use the bts if you're running testing :)
11:12-!-nadock [nadock@cm153224.red.mundo-r.com] has joined #debian
11:12<ester>Hehe.
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11:13<ester>I thought testing and even unstable were pretty stable
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11:14<Maulkin>For some value of stable... :)
11:15<Maulkin>ahh, there we go
11:15<Maulkin>Last few messages of that log show you what to do
11:15<Maulkin>(of the bug log)
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11:15<ester>But seriously. How stable is testing?
11:16<ester>And thanks :)
11:16<ester>I'll try it.
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11:17<Maulkin>testing is not stable. I'm afraid that's the only answer you'll get out of me :)
11:17<Hideo>I use sid for the last 7+ years and it seems stable enough for me, but other people's experiences may be different
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11:18<ester>Aha.
11:19<ester>I'll just try it for a while and see what happens.
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11:19<Hideo>you'll be fine, as long as you can read
11:19<ester>Ok.
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11:20<ester>Thanks for the quick response. I'll now try and see what happens.
11:20<ester>Bye
11:20<Hideo>bye
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11:23<KammyDoe>It's growing on me that Debian is old.
11:23<KammyDoe>And I want an OS that can configure my wireless as easy as Ubuntu's restricted drivers does..
11:23<KammyDoe>What to do?
11:23<cogwheel>define "old"
11:23<KammyDoe>Old.
11:23<snogglethorpe>KammyDoe: sell out?
11:23<KammyDoe>Old meaning old
11:23<KammyDoe>snogglethorpe; I don't want to use Ubuntu! >..<
11:23<snogglethorpe>cogwheel: no "beige"
11:23<KammyDoe>Child of Debian it may be, Debian it is not.
11:24<snogglethorpe>KammyDoe: then don't
11:24<themill>KammyDoe: unless you provide specifics, we can't help you
11:24<snogglethorpe>KammyDoe: it's very simple: they include the propietary stuff
11:24<samuel-veyre>KammyDoe, "Old" means "wise" sometimes :-)
11:24<KammyDoe>Always. :P
11:24<snogglethorpe>KammyDoe: has nothing to do with old
11:24<KammyDoe>I know, but I do want new software sometimes.
11:24<snogglethorpe>KammyDoe: they use debian
11:24<snogglethorpe>KammyDoe: er, => _then_ use debian
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11:25<KammyDoe>Hmm
11:25<snogglethorpe>KammyDoe: there's very little difference in the versions in debian or ubuntu most of the time
11:25<KammyDoe>My wireless won't work when I boot up in an area where there are no networks. Even when I move to such an area, my wireless will not work -- Except Debian officially supports PPC; whereas Ubuntu does not.
11:26<jthomas>upgrade to Lenny, it gets new software often. Or keep your repos pointed to Testing, which is currently Lenny but won't always be Lenny.
11:26<samuel-veyre>I think Debian "sid" is made for that ... for impatient people who want uptodate softwares ...
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11:26<jthomas>sid is even newer, yes.
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11:26<KammyDoe>" for impatient people who want uptodate softwares" <-- I think you mean people who want bleeding-edge software..
11:27<snogglethorpe>KammyDoe: but you ahve to look at the actual state of things
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11:27<KammyDoe>Which are?
11:27<samuel-veyre>But it's difficult to get both "secure sofware" and "new software" ... it's difficult to change this universal computer rule...
11:27<KammyDoe>Mmm
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11:27<snogglethorpe>KammyDoe: "bleeding edge" on debian is not quite the same as "bleeding edge" on some other systems
11:27<snogglethorpe>KammyDoe: the really dangerous stuff is all in "experimental"
11:27<snogglethorpe>KammyDoe: and unstable/sid is generally very well behaved, yet up-to-date
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11:28<snogglethorpe>KammyDoe: if you're nervous, run testing, which is generally a good compromise
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11:28<snogglethorpe>KammyDoe: (but if you are fairly clueful, there's really little reaosn to not use unstable)
11:29<snogglethorpe>KammyDoe: if you run a department server, use stable
11:29<KammyDoe>Hm
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11:29<KammyDoe>It's just for laptop usage, really
11:30<samuel-veyre>KammyDoe, What make you hesitate between Ubuntu and Debian ?
11:30<amphi>KammyDoe: testing runs very nicely here on my laptop, FWIW
11:31<christoph>on mine, too
11:31<KammyDoe>samuel-veyre; I don't really like Ubuntu.
11:31<KammyDoe>It wants to walk you through _everything_
11:32<samuel-veyre>I don't understand (sorry I'm French). Do you mean that Ubuntu makes too many choices for you and don't let control enough, right ?
11:33<KammyDoe>Yes
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11:33<cahoot>most of all it's off topic here
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11:33<amphi>it installs a DE by default; that's bad enough ;)
11:33<KammyDoe>Heh; yeah..
11:33<kurumin>ola
11:34<kurumin>hi
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11:34<samuel-veyre>cahoot, off topic ?? Why ?
11:34<cahoot>since this is #debian
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11:35<KammyDoe>And it's talking about Debian.
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11:35<KammyDoe>Loosely.
11:35<samuel-veyre>Talking about the differences between Debian and Ubuntut is off topic ?
11:35<KammyDoe>Apparently
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11:36<qq_>KammyDoe: run than sidux
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11:36<kurumin>I`m mounting a serve ltsp like a help, sorry my bad english
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11:37<lst>how do i remove gnome from my system?
11:37<snogglethorpe>KammyDoe: i dunno, some people here seem to freak out if they even see the letter u twice in the same sentence...
11:37<boscaiolo>I just did that
11:37<boscaiolo>using aptitude
11:37<amphi>snogglethorpe: or three times in the same word...
11:37<gsimmons>!tell lst -about remove gnome
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11:38<boscaiolo>had to delete abt 80 packages before all the red marks cleared!
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11:38<boscaiolo>lst: that was in answer to you
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11:38<snogglethorpe>unctuous!
11:39<rrm>hello
11:39<boscaiolo>unluvable
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11:39<lst>thanks gsimmons
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11:40<amphi>snogglethorpe: heh
11:40<snogglethorpe>utriculosaccular vinosulphureous voluptuousness!
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11:40<snogglethorpe>(that's the distroy _I_ wanna use)
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11:41<snogglethorpe>hmm, "untumultuous" has 5...
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11:43<rrm>why twm does not load? but vtwm does?
11:43<KammyDoe>!tell KammyDoe about remove Gnome
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11:44<amphi>!tell KammyDoe -about selftell
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11:45<boscaiolo>KammyDoe: how did you get gnome there in the first place?
11:45<KammyDoe>I was curious about how to remove it
11:45<KammyDoe>Not to say i will
11:45<charlotte>my usb key mounts a ro by default . can I change this default to rw
11:45<boscaiolo>That might depend...
11:46<boscaiolo>If you installed it via a virtual package that pulls in all the dependencies needed, then removing that one original package might take them all away
11:47<boscaiolo>If, like me, you had a stack of parts installed then you could do it the way I did yesterday
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11:47<boscaiolo>which was to start aptitude
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11:48<boscaiolo>then search for gnome ( /gnome), and hit "-" for each one found, followed by "n" for the next
11:48<boscaiolo>Then, when the number of broken packages reached over 50,
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11:49<boscaiolo>I switched to searching for broken packages ( /~b) and removed each of them until the number of broken ones got down to zero
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11:49<boscaiolo>Then I checked nothing too terrible had happened, by scanning the list about to be removed
11:50<boscaiolo>and hit "g" again to do it.
11:50<boscaiolo>That got rid of about 75%. So I repeated the above for the remainder.
11:50<boscaiolo>Then...
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11:50<boscaiolo>I had to reinstall the things that in fact I wanted to keep.
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11:51<boscaiolo>KammyDoe: you still there?
11:51<KammyDoe>Yes
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11:52<boscaiolo>It gave me back about half a gig
11:53<DTE>i try again...maybe i'm more lucky :-)
11:53<DTE>i alway get error 15 when i try to install grub in a xen vm
11:53<DTE>all the files are there
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11:59<boscaiolo>Ok, here's my question -- probably a shockwave flash thing: on scrabulous.com, all the text in the score and chat boxes is invisible
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11:59<boscaiolo>but only on a lenny/sid install (actually from Knoppix)
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11:59<boscaiolo>on etch they are readable
11:59<amphi>boscaiolo: some flash stuff uses ms fonts; perhaps installing msttcorefonts will fix it
11:59<boscaiolo>ANy ideas what can cause that, anybody
12:00<boscaiolo>oh neat idea amphi
12:00<boscaiolo>probably the answer
12:00<boscaiolo>Thanks
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12:00<boscaiolo>I did a silly thing, and got myself three silly problems
12:00<boscaiolo>serves me right, I suppose
12:01<boscaiolo>But knoppix was the only thing that made sound work on my Acer laptop
12:02<boscaiolo>-- at least it did work until I uninstalled all the gnome stuff. Now the system sounds work, but the cd doesn't
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12:02<boscaiolo>and - yes - I did run alsamixer to make sure nothing muted or turned down
12:03<Cyorxamp>I just installed CD1... need to install the e1000e driver using m-a and make... don't have network tho (thats what e1000e is) so I can't apt the tools I need... what to do?
12:03<boscaiolo>so now I have a 2.6.24 install which nearly does give me sound --- any thoughts? anyone?
12:04<cahoot>boscaiolo: run speaker-test -t wav - any error?
12:04<boscaiolo>Cyorxamp: can you get a live cd somewhere?
12:04<boscaiolo>cahoot: just a mo
12:04<amphi>boscaiolo: what card?
12:05<Cyorxamp>boscaiolo, sure but that won't have network either
12:06<boscaiolo>cahoot: it says front left front left etc to me very clearly. No error messages
12:06<cahoot>audible?
12:07<cahoot>then alsa works fine
12:07<boscaiolo>Cyorxamp: unless the live cd has the driver, true. But knoppix almost always does have the driver needed. I have no idea about your case though
12:07<Azhrarn>fresh install of mysql-server-5.0 on sid seems to be dying: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst: line 143: /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf: No such file or directory
12:07<Azhrarn>it's mentioned on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427435 but that's not the reported problem
12:08<boscaiolo>cahoot: yes audible. so i remain puzzled. and at the mo have no cd in the house i am in so will have to wait to try it again
12:08<boscaiolo>thanks, though
12:08<cahoot>boscaiolo: make sure your apps output to alsa
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12:09<boscaiolo>cahoot: yes... I'll install kscd or something boring
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12:09<boscaiolo>if that works, then I know what to look for
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12:11<KammyDoe>How can I speed up my Debian boot time?
12:11<KammyDoe>Is there anything in the rc files I can remove?
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12:13<cahoot>what's the current boot time?
12:13<boscaiolo>KammyDoe: almost certainly, but that is a how-lon-is-a-piece-of-string question
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12:17<Hideo>KammyDoe: try the package bootchart for some nice graphs of your boot time
12:17<Simon_42>KammyDoe: Have a look at bootchart...
12:18<Simon_42>:-/
12:18<Hideo>Simon_42: i win :P
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12:20<KammyDoe>It's currently ~2 minutes
12:20<gsimmons>Cyorxamp: You can install the necessary compilation tools from CD1, but you'll need acquire to the Intel e1000e sources (from sourceforge) from elsewhere. Alternatively, installation images based on 2.6.24 or later kernels (eg. lenny beta2, kmuto d-i backports) contain the e1000e driver.
12:21<gsimmons>s/to the/the/
12:22<KammyDoe>:|
12:22<KammyDoe>Where can i find this bootchart?
12:22<KammyDoe>Hideo?
12:23<Hideo>KammyDoe: apt-get
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12:23<KammyDoe>Will do. Thanks
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12:23<lucas_>hello there, i need some help... I have an intel gma x3100 and cant enable desktop effects in two users at the same time... how do i do that?
12:24<amphi>lucas_: in two X sessions? if that's what you mean, you can't
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12:24<amphi>lucas_: DRI2 will be able to do this, I think
12:24<Hideo>KammyDoe: http://debaday.debian.net/2008/02/24/bootchart-boot-profiling/
12:24<lucas_>amphi, so not supported yet like nvidia?
12:25<KammyDoe>:O
12:25<amphi>I know nothing of nvidia
12:25<lucas_>amphi, ok thanks man
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12:26<margiolas>hello i have create some links with ln -s how i can remove them?
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12:26<Cyorxamp>gsimmons, what on earth is a 'lenny beta2?'
12:26<Cyorxamp>and where can I get it from!
12:26<pumpkin0>margiolas: rm
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12:26<gsimmons>Cyorxamp: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
12:26<boscaiolo>Cyorxamp: maybe something for hitting Lenny with
12:26<Cyorxamp>gsimmons, also I have the sources for e1000e on a floppy already
12:26<KammyDoe>Hm
12:26<KammyDoe>Looks interesting
12:27<KammyDoe>Thanks Hideo
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12:27<Hideo>sure
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12:29<KammyDoe>Anyway
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12:30<path>is it available any debian pastebin package ?
12:30<path>to upload content directly to debian.pastebin
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12:31<Simon_42>there is a perl script...
12:31<gsimmons>!pastebin pipe
12:31<dpkg>Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid.
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12:35<path>thanks guys :]
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12:51<avoine>someone know if we need to restart something when we modify /etc/hosts.allow so that the configuration is apply?
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12:52<boscaiolo>avoine: i think generally not
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12:52<avoine>ok
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13:07<hypnotic>hi there, after last nights kernel update in lenny I got some trouble with assigning partition letters to hard drives (I got 4 hds in total distributed over 2 sata controllers), my grub and fstab all use UUID's but during boot the system/kernel first assigns my system hard disk to sda and switches to sdc later on in booting, it ends with an error it cannot find sda5, sda6, sda7 etc when continuing with control d I found out those partitions are on sdc
13:07<hypnotic>(sdc5, sdc6 etc). anybody a workaround?
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13:11<eddieB>is it possible to make shortcuts to commands? like if i wanted /blah to do "cd home/blah/blah" ?
13:12<hypnotic>you can make a shortcut and put the command in the cmd box
13:12<hypnotic>and yes its possible
13:12<eddieB>hypnotic: what's it called?
13:13<hypnotic>o you mean a text shortcut or a desktop icon shortcut?
13:13<eddieB>hypnotic: text for command line
13:13<fxiny>just cd ?
13:13<xbj9000>a shell script?
13:13<hypnotic>hmm dont know a lot about that :p
13:13<fxiny>i use wcd
13:14<cahoot>eddieB: create an alias?
13:14<eddieB>fxiny: it does what i'm describing?
13:14<xbj9000>you can make a text file ending in .sh and put the commands you want in that and set it as executable, pretty sure
13:14<eddieB>cahoot: yes
13:14<fxiny>eddieB: is perfect for nested dirs
13:14<eddieB>fxiny: how do i get it?
13:15<fxiny>as usual
13:15<eddieB>fxiny: ahh okay
13:15<eddieB>fxiny: thanks
13:15<hypnotic>o ofcourse, you can put sh scripts in your bin folder
13:15<regelatwork>try alias: alias blah='cd home/blah/blah'
13:15<fxiny>eddieB: no porbs , needs some config editing
13:15<hypnotic>nice tip
13:16<fxiny>regelatwork: wcd blah will do
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13:18<hypnotic>anybody an idea on my problem?
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13:19<hypnotic>I now have a 50% chance on a proper boot
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13:22<regelatwork>hypnotic: I'd say that is a bug. In udev, perhaps?
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13:23<hypnotic>regelatwork: its a pretty nasty bug alright ;)
13:23<hypnotic>regelatwork: whats udev exactly?
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13:24<hypnotic>alright:
13:24<hypnotic>udev supports persistent device naming, which does not depend on, for example, the order in which the devices are plugged into the system. The default udev setup provides persistent names for storage devices. Any hard disk is recognized by its unique filesystem id, the name of the disk and the physical location on the hardware it is connected to.
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13:26<hypnotic>so my system should never boot of always boot proper, if I read this correct
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13:26<hypnotic>of=or
13:26<flee>anyone familiar with the Sun E150 or E250 servers?
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13:30<hypnotic>found the bugreport
13:30<hypnotic>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=487352
13:30<hypnotic>no solution, so back to the old kernel :(
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13:31<SaintK>Hi, i am looking into recompiling my kernel (We run heavy load gameservers). We need diff. kernel options to ensure a higher/more stable FPS (server sided) to smoothen the game and lower the latancy. Currently we use a tickless kernel, but it causes some weird random freeze's. So now we want to try a kernel with a higher HZ settings. Now i wondered, are there any general tips and tricks to keep
13:31<SaintK>the CPU load as low as possible
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13:35<xbj9000>I just installed Debian and google crashes iceweasel and iceape
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13:42<regelatwork>hypnotic: I use RAID + LVM. I guess that is why id did not affect me.
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13:53<eddieB>how do i write an alias to do this? "mv file /home/blah/blah"
13:54<Cheatah>why would you want an alias to do that?
13:54<eddieB>would it be | alias mvb='mv * /home/blah/blag'?
13:54<Cheatah>you'd better write a shell script
13:54<fxiny>eddieB: do you know mc ?
13:55<eddieB>fxiny: nope
13:55<StarkD>anyone here who are forced to use MS Windows and know of a program that would provide the GNOME shortcuts Alt+F5, Alt+F7, Alt+F9, Alt+F10? I have tried severl hotkey programs but they don't provide what I'm seeking
13:55<fxiny>eddieB: good for doing things in a xterm/konsole watever
13:56<eddieB>fxiny: do you know how i would write that alias?
13:56<Cheatah>DON'T use aliases for that
13:56<Cheatah>use simple scripts
13:56<themill>!wayttd eddieB
13:56<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, eddieB?
13:57<eddieB>i want to move a file to a directory using an alias. but the file would be different everytime
13:57<eddieB>but the directory would be the same
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13:58<eddieB>Cheatah: do i have to make the script?
13:59<themill>eddieB: You could use either a bash function or a simple script. something like: mvfoo() { mv "$@" /bah/foo/; }
13:59<Cheatah>if you want to have something done, yes
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13:59<themill>eddieB: (the example is a function that you could put in your ~/.bash_profile)
13:59<regelatwork>eddieB: alias mvtoblag='mv -t /home/blah/blag'
13:59<Cheatah>are you familiar with the concept of "arguments" or "variables"?
14:00<themill>regelatwork: nice one. As long as you stick to linux :)
14:00<regelatwork>certainly, not posix
14:00<eddieB>Cheatah: no, i'm new to linux
14:01<themill>eddieB: just use regelatwork's suggestion in your ~/.bash_profile
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14:05<eddieB>themill: tried. it didn't work
14:06<Hideo>may have to log out, log back in
14:06<Cheatah>just do "source ~/.bash_profile"
14:06<fxiny>eddieB: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/130
14:06<Cheatah>no need to log out for those kinds of things
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14:06<xbj9000>I did a minimal install, anyone know what I need for sound?
14:07<xbj9000>Thinkpad 390E
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14:08<eddieB>Cheatah: -bash: /root/.bash_profile: No such file or directory
14:08<eddieB>that's what i get when i try "source ~/.bash_profile"
14:09<Cheatah>so you tried to put a function in ~/.bash_profile like themill said
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14:09<Cheatah>then where did you really put it?
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14:09<Cheatah>if you don't HAVE ~/.bash_profile
14:10<fxiny>root ?
14:10<eddieB>i did locate .bash_profile
14:10<fxiny>eddieB: are you root ?
14:10<eddieB>yes
14:10<fxiny>why ?
14:10<eddieB>why not?
14:10<Cheatah>so he can break his system, i guess
14:11<Cheatah>eddieB: ok, what if...
14:11<fxiny>eddieB: you forgot to make a user ?
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14:11<Cheatah>... you now had it working, and ran "mvfoo /bin"
14:11<eddieB>fxiny: i've made one
14:11<Cheatah>then you would have sucessfully broken your debian installation
14:12<fxiny>right , you'd better log and play as that normal user for a while
14:12<eddieB>"eddieB: just use regelatwork's suggestion in your ~/.bash_profile" that's what i did
14:12<eddieB>i didn't do the other one
14:12<Hideo>fxiny: I believe he's been using root ever since we first helped him
14:12<regelatwork>xbj9000: install alsa and perhaps alsa-utils
14:12<Hideo>days ago
14:12<fxiny>Hideo: must be
14:12<Cheatah>Hideo: that's quite a prestige
14:14<Cheatah>well, if you are root, ~/.bash_profile would be /root/.bash_profile
14:14<Cheatah>which you say doesn't exist
14:14<Cheatah>so you did not add anything to ~/.bash_profile
14:15<eddieB>i'm not root anymore
14:15<fxiny>good
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14:15<Cheatah>~ = the home directory of the user you're using
14:15<Cheatah>so if you're root, ~ = /root, if you're jake, ~ = /home/jake
14:16<MotoHoss>eddieB: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReference/Tutorial be patient with yourself ;-)
14:16<eddieB>i did "source ~/.bash_profile"
14:17<Cheatah>then everything in your profile should have been executed/loaded now
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14:17<xbj9000>thanks regalatwork, would have been my guess.. running alsaconf now
14:17<Cheatah>so if you created the function, you would now be able to use it
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14:18<eddieB>do i enter "mvfoo() { mv "$@" /bah/foo/; }" or "mvtoblag='mv -t /home/blah/blag'"?
14:18<Cheatah>but my suggestion would be: first get to know the command line a bit, before you try to automate things
14:19<eddieB>Cheatah: ?
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14:19<fxiny>eddieB: cat down with slashes . your home is : ~/
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14:20<eddieB>fxiny: what does that mean?
14:20<xbj9000>and now I have sound :)
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14:20<fxiny>eddieB: it means /home/eddieb
14:20<MotoHoss>eddieB: This unlimited power of root account requires you to be considerate and responsible when using it.
14:21<eddieB>fxiny: do i enter "mvfoo() { mv "$@" /bah/foo/; }" or "mvtoblag='mv -t /home/blah/blag'"?
14:21<qq> !no man
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14:23<MotoHoss>eddieB: that url reference i gave you (and this is the second or third time I have done that for you) has an excellent tutorial so you will be familiar with the systems you are now using.
14:24<fxiny>eddieB: you'll find your own way reading a nice bash tutorial
14:24<fxiny>eddieB: don't go for recipes
14:24<MotoHoss>fxiny: good suggestion.
14:25<eddieB>you guys would say Debian is better than Ubuntu right?
14:26<Hideo>haha
14:26<Hideo>this is #debian right?
14:26<Cheatah>for us it is
14:26<eddieB>ya, just wondering. what makes it better?
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14:27<fxiny>history and ethics
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14:28<MotoHoss>eddieB: reason 1--> http://www.debian.org/social_contract
14:29<fxiny>MotoHoss: good reason :)
14:31<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way to reverse the y axis on a joystick?
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14:38<lontra>eddieB: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/talk.html
14:40<eddieB>lontra: i'll read over that in a few minutes. i was just asking because 3 people have told me i'm a fool for choosing Debian over Ubuntu..
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14:40<lontra>ok
14:40<fxiny>eddieB: debconf coming soon : get ready for streamripping
14:41<boscaiolo>eddieB: no, they are just jealous
14:41<boscaiolo>Debian is for real
14:41<eddieB>fxing: streamripping?
14:42<kingsley>Why is an older version of the kernel in the linux-image-k7 package (2.6.18-4) than in linux-image-686 (2.6.25)?
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14:42<themill>dpkg: k7 dropped
14:42<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, k7 dropped is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777
14:42<themill>kingsley: ^^
14:42<fxiny>eddieB: yes , you can save on your hd any debconf talk you like
14:43<fxiny>eddieB: http://www.debconf.org/
14:44<kingsley>themill: Thank you.
14:44<themill>no worries
14:44<fxiny>eddieB: let them 3 idiots talking , you watch debconf
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14:44<eddieB>heh
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14:45<eddieB>but what's so good about debconf?
14:46<themill>dpkg: k7 dropped is also Use the -686 kernel images instead.
14:46<dpkg>themill: okay
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14:48<lontra>fxiny: quite a list of big sponsors
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14:49<fxiny>eddieB: http://debconf8.debconf.org/
14:50<fxiny>lontra: yes , i have deleted intevil from my dic ;)
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14:50<eddieB>fxiny: are you going?
14:51<Hideo>no he's busy climbing trees :P
14:52<fxiny>eddieB: nope . i'll be here with enouf streaming it . we had good fun last year . very interesting talks
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14:52<fxiny>Hideo: tomorrow i'll be on the top of it !
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14:53<Hideo>fxiny: you monkey!
14:53<fxiny>Hideo: monkeys don't use ropes (and ladders :P )
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14:55<Hideo>:)
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15:00<fxiny>eddieB: this was last year https://debconf7.debconf.org/wiki/Main_Page https://penta.debconf.org/~joerg/
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15:03<alix_78>hi
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15:13<eddieB>fxiny: hacklab.. what do you guys hack?
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15:46<Carlos>hello ppl
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16:03<teixeira>boa tarde
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16:03<teixeira>amigos estou com dificuldades pra visualizar arquivos php
16:03<amphi>!br
16:03<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
16:03<teixeira>quando tenho abrir no browser ele pede pra salvar
16:04<teixeira>ok
16:04<teixeira>sorry
16:04<teixeira>tank you
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16:14<xbj9000>do I need to add packages to a minimal debian to access usb sticks?
16:15<Cheatah>probably not
16:15<Cheatah>depends on the filesystem used on the sticks
16:15<xbj9000>can you tell me how to mount it then? it should work with this hardware, I've accessed it with other deistros
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16:15<Cheatah>should be /dev/sd<something>
16:16<Cheatah>as usb sticks are seen as scsi devices, afaik
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16:17<amphi>they are here
16:18<xbj9000>should I be able to see it with fdisk -l?
16:18<Cheatah>mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat
16:18<Cheatah>something like that should work
16:18<xbj9000>right
16:19<Cheatah>where /mnt/usb is the mount point you want
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16:19<Cheatah>uh, -t vfat
16:19<Cheatah>is the filesystem
16:19<xbj9000>yes but I don't see the device with fdisk -l
16:19<Cheatah>hmm, that's odd
16:19<Cheatah>even if you do fdisk /dev/sda
16:19<Cheatah>?
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16:20<xbj9000>I did a minimal install and only added fluxbox and a few other things
16:20<xbj9000>'unable to open /dev/sda'
16:20<Cheatah>strange
16:21<Cheatah>modprobe usb-storage
16:21<Cheatah>?
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16:21<xbj9000>oh also my laptop suspend function works but I'm unable to come back out of it
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16:22<xbj9000>the modprobe didn't seem to help
16:22<xbj9000>although it returned no errors
16:22<Cheatah>still no scsi devices?
16:22<xbj9000>yes same results
16:22<Cheatah>i'm affraid i can't help you then
16:23<xbj9000>ok
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16:23<xbj9000>it's not urgent I'll figure it out
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16:29<boscaiolo>just a quick question: anyone recommend an X cd-player that uses alsa. Seems kscd wants to use arts
16:30<boscaiolo>(not a kde user, anyway)
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16:30<amphi>boscaiolo: mplayer? ;)
16:30<boscaiolo>isn't that just cli only?
16:31<xbj9000>no
16:31<amphi>pretty much - it has a sort of gui, but I never heard of anyone using it
16:31<xbj9000>yeah it's ugly
16:31<xbj9000>reccomend vlc
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16:32<boscaiolo>just installed it but it crashed on startup
16:32<xbj9000>which one?
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16:32<boscaiolo>bit of a problem on lenny/sid avoiding dependency probs
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16:34<boscaiolo>vlc is 0.8.6-svn2
16:35<boscaiolo>if I try to upgrade I get an impossible knot with vlc-nox and libspeex1
16:35<xbj9000>not sure
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16:36<Nemoder>boscaiolo: audacious has an audio-cd plugin
16:36<boscaiolo>I'll look at that
16:37<boscaiolo>right now somethng has failed to close and is saying
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16:38<boscaiolo>cdda: setup_soundsystem failed .. open failed: Dispositivo o risorsa occupata
16:38<boscaiolo>over and over
16:38<Nemoder>what is that in english?
16:39<boscaiolo>gadget or resource occupied
16:39<Nemoder>hmm probably means another application is using it
16:39<boscaiolo>correct, but what? don't see anything in ps ax
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16:41<boscaiolo>ah probably kscd
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16:41<boscaiolo>yes that did it
16:41<boscaiolo>two of them!
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16:43<Nemoder>another option might be to run gRip and convert the CDs to ogg or mp3
16:43<boscaiolo>Nemoder: has a plugin? how do I call it?
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16:43<Nemoder>boscaiolo: install audacious-plugins
16:43<boscaiolo>I am sure there used to be a few boring bu workable players for X
16:43<boscaiolo>Nemoder: yes, it seems it is installed already
16:44<boscaiolo>oh, I seee just call it
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16:47<boscaiolo>but it cannot read the cd
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16:52<Nemoder>weird, I can't either! I know it used to work
16:52<boscaiolo>hehe, that's odd
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16:52<Nemoder>well grip still works as a decent player
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16:53<Nemoder>boscaiolo: oooh the audacious plugin requires you to right click and go to Plugin Services--Add CD
16:54<boscaiolo>grip -- I'd forgotton that. I might download it
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16:54<boscaiolo>ohright click .. I'll try
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17:03<boscaiolo>beep-media-player can't find the audio cd either. seems to be a pattern here
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17:11<boscaiolo>well, grip thinks it is playing the cd. Just evidently isn't going to alsa, as I cant hear a thing
17:11<valdyn>boscaiolo: cds can be played via 2 modes
17:11<valdyn>boscaiolo: one reading data and feeding over your sata / ata cable to alsa etc
17:11<valdyn>boscaiolo: and one just paying as audio cd
17:11<valdyn>boscaiolo: in that case alsa is not involved
17:12<valdyn>boscaiolo: but for that case your cabling is probably bad / non existant
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17:13<boscaiolo>well, alsa tested okay this morning, and some player or other played a cd on it yesterday
17:13<Nemoder>if you have the drive space just rip the CDs :)
17:13<valdyn>boscaiolo: might want to plug in earphones into the cdrom just to see
17:14<boscaiolo>none here, but I did try yesterday
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17:16<apollux>boscaiolo: i think you have to add the correct path to your cdrom drive in the audacious-plugin, i had the same problem a few weeks ago
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17:19<boscaiolo>apollux: oh, i'll look again,but where do I do that -- a config file?
17:20<Nemoder>it's in the preferences menu (ctrl-p)
17:20<apollux>i am using audacious player with Debian Etch and playing CD is working fine
17:20<apollux>exactly
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17:21<Nemoder>strange, freedb works in grip but not the audacious plugin
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17:24<Nemoder>ahh default port was set wrong, changed it to 8880 and it works now
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17:25<boscaiolo>Nemoder: thanks, it's got he cd now, and plays it -- time elapsed increases correctly but I still get no sound.
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17:26<boscaiolo>This is the same with all the players, so it isn't a player problem
17:26<Nemoder>boscaiolo: maybe your cdrom volume is turned down?
17:26<Nemoder>boscaiolo: try gnome-alsamixer
17:27<boscaiolo>no, it's max -- or near
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17:27<boscaiolo>I used alsamixer, should be at least as reliable
17:27<Nemoder>yeah
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17:28<valdyn>does sound-juicer give sound when playing the cd?
17:28<Nemoder>boscaiolo: but you get sound from files just not cd?
17:29<valdyn>im sure were getting some wrong info here
17:29<valdyn>if the cd gives no sound even when he plugs in earphones into the cdrom drive
17:29<boscaiolo>yes
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17:29<boscaiolo>speaker-test gives white noise as it's default -- I forget how to get the voice
17:30<boscaiolo>and system noises are produced normally
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17:30<boscaiolo>but the cd plays silently
17:30<boscaiolo>it's a laptop - no mike jack on cdrom
17:31<mordy>has anyone tried the "Absolute" option in xorg.conf?
17:31<valdyn>boscaiolo: ok, so you werent able to try that
17:31<valdyn>boscaiolo: use sound-juicer
17:31<valdyn>boscaiolo: its entirely possible that your laptop does not support audio cd mode playback
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17:32<boscaiolo>it was working under knoppix, and also just after I copied knoppix to hd
17:32<valdyn>boscaiolo: windows will not use audio cd mode by default, so a windows user will not notice that failure
17:32<boscaiolo>somehow I lost it while deleting the gnome components
17:32<valdyn>boscaiolo: so? sound-juicer tried?
17:33<boscaiolo>not installed, valdyn
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17:33<boscaiolo>It's a 5 MB download, so will take some time on this slow GPRS connexn
17:34<boscaiolo>I'm just baffled, really. grip should have worked if anything else will
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17:57<mordy>has anyone tried the "Absolute" option in xorg.conf?
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18:07<xbj9000>how can I bring up wlan0 so I can san for a network?
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18:07<xbj9000>right now I accomplish it by running dhclient and letting it fail..
18:07<xbj9000>when I say scan I mean iwlist scan
18:08<wnd>once you have necessary modules loaded, try "/sbin/ifconfig wlan0 up"
18:09<Jyce>ifconfig wlan0 0.0.0.0 up should do the trick
18:09<weasel>ifconfig wlan0 up
18:09<xbj9000>ok thanks
18:09<xbj9000>I was trying ifup
18:09<wnd>ifup expects to have wlan0 configures in /etc/network/interfaces
18:09<wnd>you should use it if possible
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18:10<Pi>i'm looking for a way to take an installed package and make a backup, since it's no longer available in apt, and it's working, and I'm concerned about breaking it with an upgrade.
18:10<Jyce>for ifup to work you need to configure wlan in you interfaces file
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18:11<Pi>I've looked around in apt, didn't see anything that sounded appropriate
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18:12<wnd>Pi, there's a tool in debian to do that, but I can't find it right now. I'd point you to a script I wrote years ago, but iirc it hasn't worked for years anymore.
18:12<Pi>wnd: thanks :)
18:13<Pi>any suggestions as to what it might be called?
18:13<xbj9000>thanks wnd
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18:14<wnd>Pi, I think I would have found the package if I remembered any hints :-)
18:15<wnd>xbj9000, you're welcome
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18:16<Pi>wnd: true enough :)
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18:19<apollux>Pi: did you try aptitude hold package name?
18:19<Pi>apollux: well, i want to try an upgrade to see if I break things, then roll it back if not.
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18:20<Pi>er, if so :)
18:20<Cheatah>you could always debootstrap, chroot into it, and testdrive the upgrade
18:21<apollux>you can export your package selection list with dpkg, maybe this should work
18:21<wnd>Pi, dpkg-repack
18:21<Pi>apollux: the packages aren't available in apt any more, so the list wouldn't do much for me
18:22<Pi>wnd: thanks :)
18:23<wnd>sure
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18:30<saintk>Hi, i have a question about the 'top' command. Whenever i do 'top', and i see a proccess on core0 taking for example 50% load, the total load just shows at 10%, were i only have 2 cores, u'd expect it to show a total load of 25%.... Any idea why it does such behavoir ?
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18:41<wnd>saintk, instead of "total" cpu usage top shows three differently calculated averages. also, if both cores are fully utilised, the load would be 2.00, not 1.00. similary, if one core if 50 % active and the other is idle, system load would be 0.5.
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18:42<saintk>wnd: Allright, so which one should i be looking at to ensure its not running out of availible CPU power?
18:43<wnd>see the manual page for uptime for details ("man uptime")
18:44<saintk>wnd: If i understand the man correctly, on a dualcore system, you can go to a load av. of 2.0, right ?
18:44<saintk>as it see's each core as 1 cpu
18:45<wnd>correct. if load exceeds 2.0 on a dual-core (single cpu) system, the processes are too much for the computer to deal in realtime.
18:45<saintk>wnd: Cool, thanks for the information!
18:46<wnd>but also note that on such system load can easily exceed 2.0
18:47<saintk>okay thanks!
18:47<wnd>you could think system load to represent number of cpu cores that are required to handle all active tasks in realtime
18:47<wnd>don't mention it :-)
18:48<wnd>and it's now time for me to get some sleep
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18:49<saintk>gd night :)
18:50<weasel>that's not even correct.
18:50<weasel>I wished people stopped thinking load meant anything useful
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18:55<k6>Hi, I have a little problem while upgrading via apt-get : http://pastebin.com/m1fe9fae , could someone help me? I guess this is just easy for you guys :)
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18:56<saintk>weasel: How u mean ?
18:56<saintk>I'm having issue's interpetating the 'top' output as it shows differant loads
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18:58<weasel>load is just the average number of processes running, runable, or blocked in I/O
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18:58<themill>k6: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/f/ffmpeg-debian/ffmpeg-debian_0.svn20080206-10/changelog#versionversion0.svn20080206-9
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18:59<maxb_>Hmm, it's interesting reading dpkg messages in other languages :-)
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19:00<maxb_>k6: The problem would appear to be these "cvs" suffixed packages that you have installed
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19:01<saintk>One more question, i once found a document explaining how you can tell grub to one-time boot a kernel (so i can test it, and powercycle the machine if it doesn't come up). Unfortunatly, i cannot find it anymore at google. Could anyone point me to the right direction ?
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19:03<k6>maxb_ : it's french :)
19:03<k6>maxb_ : the cvs package came with the dist-upgrade
19:04<maxb_>Yes, it was an interesting reminder of french lessons in school many years ago :-)
19:04<k6>maxb_ : ^^
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19:04<k6>maxb_ : I can't remove it while some packages depends on it
19:04<maxb_>Um, did it really? I think you already have the "cvs" versions and the dist-upgrade is trying to install non-cvs ones
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19:06<maxb_>Does "apt-get install libavcodec51 libavutil49 libavcodeccvs51- libavutilcvs49-" work ? (i.e. remove the oddly named packages and install the normally named ones)
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19:08<maxb_>It sounds to me that debian-multimedia.org has some less-than-ideal packaging of its alternate library versions
19:08<k6>maxb_ : no because there is still dependency errors
19:08<enouf>k6: preface command with LANG=C
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19:08<themill>istr that debian-multimedia.org had removed the "cvs" from the package name
19:09<k6>maxb_ : the error occured after a dist-upgrade which failed because /var was full
19:09<err404>you can try apt-get clean
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19:09<enouf>themill: nope ;-) Installed: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080531-0.1
19:09<maxb_>I'm not entirely convinced that the diskspace caused the issue
19:09<k6>enouf : http://pastebin.com/m6e36cb59
19:09<enouf>oh, duh
19:09<enouf>cvs, not svn
19:09<maxb_>I think it was bad interactions with the debian-multimedia packages
19:10<k6><err404> : i tried, nothing changed:)
19:10<enouf>i think even sid had cvs versions at one time
19:10<themill>enouf: it's in the package name not the version string
19:10<maxb_>Unfortunately, third party packages can easily cause issues like this unless the 3rd party packager is quite careful
19:10<k6>maxb_ : ok
19:11<themill>!dbugs 484585
19:11<dpkg>DONE:#484585:N[ffmpeg-free] "installing ffmpeg from http://debian-multimedia.org breaks upgrades to lenny"; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 02:24:02 UTC
19:11<maxb_>k6: What do you actually need from debian-multimedia.org ?
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19:11<maxb_>If you don't *really* need stuff from there, you might consider switching back to official debian packages only
19:11<k6>maxb_ : nothing any more, can I remove dependencies of this packages?
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19:13<maxb_>k6: then remove all of the lib<something>cvs<number> packages
19:13<maxb_>that have been mentioned in error messages
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19:14<maxb_>and remove debian-multimedia from your apt sources
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19:16<k6>maxb_ : debian-multimedia is already removed but I still have remaining packages from this source, I don't know how to clean them all
19:18<themill>!obsolete
19:18<dpkg>If you once had etch in your sources.list and now only have lenny (or vice versa), then you might want to check what packages you have installed from the other release. Use synaptic or the aptitude user interface and look in the section "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" for a list of them. Also ask me about <list repositories>.
19:19<maxb_>apt-show-versions is a tool whether each installed package is uptodate with your apt sources, upgradable, or (and these are the interesting ones) present in your system but not in your apt sources, or a newer version than in any apt source
19:19<maxb_>or what themill/dpkg said
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19:22<k6>maxb_ : ok you fixed my problem, thanks a lot :)
19:22<k6>maxb_ : dist-upgrade is running :)
19:22<maxb_>np
19:23<k6>themill, maxb_ : thanks a lot , I'll check my obsolete packages for sure :)
19:23<themill>have fun :)
19:23<k6>May I abuse ? I have a very last question
19:23<maxb_>It's a good thing to do occasionally, or after changing your apt sources, or a major dist-upgrade
19:24<maxb_>It's not abuse, this channel exists for debian users to help each other
19:25<k6>I upgrade my system via ssh , and sometimes apt-get dist-upgrade restarts the ssh server so I lose my connexion while upgrading. What is the rigth way to upgrade via ssh ?
19:26<amphi>k6: use screen on the remote?
19:26<k6>amphi : hmm that is a solution :)
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19:26<Cheatah>restarting of the ssh server should not kill your connection
19:26<maxb_>well, restarting sshd should *not* drop connections
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19:27<themill>k6: ssh restarting shouldn't kill your ssh connection. Restarting networkmanager can though...
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19:27<acu>I have Lenny on an AMD64 - and I cannot write to any external usb drive (HDD or Flash) why is that - how can I write to them ?
19:27<Cheatah>if you ever upgrade the ssh server, never ever restart your network scripts
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19:28<Cheatah>first try to login via ssh with a new session
19:28<Cheatah>but keep the old one alive!
19:28<k6>maxb_ , themill : once again you are totally rigth
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19:29<k6>Thanks for all :)
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19:33<k6>$ sudo apt-file update
19:33<k6>Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz
19:33<k6>:)
19:34<chealer>acu: try creating a file?
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19:36<maxb_>I guess security doesn't have Contents files
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19:37<weasel>looks like it :)
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19:37<acu>chealer: I tried - it was denied
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19:38<chealer>acu: denied how?
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19:40<acu>chealer: the drive mounts automatically but if in Konqueror I try to creat a new folder - I get " Could not make folder /media/drive
19:41<chealer>acu: that's not very helpful. try another tool, such as touch
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19:42<Cheatah>ls -ald /media ; whoami ; groups
19:42<Cheatah>what does that say?
19:44<acu>chealer: OK - I will try soon - I am updating Lenny now - so I have to wait - anyhow - I thought that mounting and writing on an external drives are so elementary that the KDE desktop team would have thought about it - maybe I should give them a feedback ?
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19:45<Cheatah>acu: the fact that an external drive is mounted, does not necessarily mean that *anyone* can write to it
19:45<chealer>acu: at least konqueror's error reporting should be improved, but you're presumably running KDE 3, and KDE 4 uses mainly dolphin, so reporting wishlist upstream bugs may have little value.
19:46<Cheatah>and you will still need the right permissions to be allowed to mount the drive to a certain mount point
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19:49<saintk>Hi, i am trying to build a kernel with yaird, and i am running into a set of errors. When i google for them, all i can find are bug report, but no solutions on how to get around the errors. http://rafb.net/p/yMAUZV95.html Does anyone know what i should do ?
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19:50<Woet>could someone give me a simple command (such as 'uptime') to replace a specific value in a file?
19:51<Cheatah>sed
19:51<acu>chealer: yes it KDE 3.5.9 - I guess that the update I am doing now will bring it to 4.0 ? KDE control center should be cool but is almost non functional for 3.5.9 KDE
19:51<Cheatah>e.g.: sed -i -e "s#me#you#g" /home/me
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19:52<chealer>acu: no, KDE 4 won't be in lenny.
19:52<Woet>chealer: sorry, any example?
19:52<Woet>lets see I want to replace 'foo' with 'bar'
19:53<Cheatah>sed -i -e "s#foo#bar#g" yourfilename
19:53<Woet>thanks
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20:06<joshua_>hey guys i was wondering what a good program for burning ISO's from the command prompt would be?
20:07<amphi>wodim
20:07<joshua_>thank you
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20:57<Learnerofskills>hello I am having a problem with apt
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20:59<Learnerofskills>I added the enlightenment repository and tried to install e17
20:59<Learnerofskills>but I already had the package enlightenment (e16) installed
21:00<Learnerofskills>so now it gives me, unmet dependacncies, and to run apt-get -f install to correct them, which I did, but it didn't work
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21:01<Learnerofskills>I am pretty sure I have to purge the old enlightenment package to fix this... but when I try to do : apt-get purge enlightenment, the same errors come up
21:01<Learnerofskills>any Idea how to fix?
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21:02<qq2>paste this ros
21:02<simonrvn>a) use aptitude b) choose the one you want
21:03<simonrvn>...in aptitude
21:04<Learnerofskills>I don't have aptitude
21:04<Learnerofskills>oh wait...
21:04<Learnerofskills>nope, don't have aptitude
21:04<simonrvn>!installit
21:04<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
21:04<Learnerofskills>qq2, what is ros?
21:06<Learnerofskills>haha, I would install it, but the problem is that my apt-get is broken right now and I can't use it
21:07<Learnerofskills>let me try to install with dpkg or compile it from source... but to be honest I doubt that using aptitude will fix anything
21:11<amphi>Learnerofskills: what do you mean, apt is broken?
21:12<Learnerofskills>it wont let me install any packages because it says I have unmet dependancies
21:12<Learnerofskills>it says do apt-get -f install. But when I do that it fixes nothing
21:12<abrotman>!paste
21:12<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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21:12<amphi>what package has unmet dependencies? can you remove it?
21:14<Learnerofskills>hmm... it allows me to remove the packages with unmet dependencies, I will see how this works out... thanks amphi!
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21:18<Learnerofskills>the package that has unmet dependancies is emodules-all
21:19<abrotman>did he paste the output ?
21:19<amphi>who?
21:19<abrotman>the only guy that's talking
21:20<Learnerofskills>not yet
21:20<Learnerofskills>I can post them...
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21:22<amphi>Learnerofskills: did you install aptitude, and see what is suggests as possible resolutions?
21:22<Learnerofskills>http://paste.debian.net/11310/
21:23<Learnerofskills>I have not installed aptitude yet because whenever I try to use apt to install anything it outputs these errors
21:23<abrotman>amphi: he can't install aptitude because apt-get is foobared
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21:23<abrotman>!tell Learnerofskills about overwrite
21:24<amphi>Learnerofskills: oh, I thought removing that package had fixed it
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21:29<Learnerofskills>same error after doing apt-get -o dpkg="--force-overwrite" install emodules-all
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21:34<Learnerofskills>the description of the problem that the dpkg bot sent me was my guess of what was wrong too though...
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21:36<abrotman>Learnerofskills: you did it wrong
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21:37<Learnerofskills>what should I do?
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21:38<abrotman>Learnerofskills: dpkg -P enlightenment .. try again ?
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21:42<Learnerofskills>okay I did dpkg -P enlightenment and then apt-get -f install and everything seems okay now. Thanks a bunch abrotman!
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21:42*abrotman wonders what that really did
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21:44<Learnerofskills>what what really did?
21:45<abrotman>i'm kidding
21:45<Learnerofskills>heh. okay. thanks for the help
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21:50<Garda>is there a temperature monitoring package for linux
21:50<soloflyer>yes
21:50<Garda>similar to speedfan on windows
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21:52<soloflyer> apt-cache search sensors fan
21:53<soloflyer>not familar with speedfan but there are a few different sensor montiors...
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22:25<path__>Garda, gnome-sensors is a good approach
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22:31<Garda>thanks path__
22:31<path__>np
22:31<Garda>what is the difference between the core temp
22:31<Garda>and the processor temp
22:32<Garda>one is from libsensors
22:32<Garda>the other is acpi
22:32<Garda>do they both describe the same thing?
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22:38<amphi>Garda: I believe so
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22:41<knoppix_>heelo
22:41<knoppix_>hello
22:42<knoppix_>how are you guys
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22:55<OverloadBR>hello
22:56<OverloadBR>anyone here runs vmware on Via C3 ?
22:58<abrotman>there is a #vmware on freenode
22:59<OverloadBR>i used vmware on windows, but i still have to run some win32 apps that doesn't work fine with wine
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23:03<OverloadBR>vmware channel is empty
23:03<abrotman>on freenode?
23:03<abrotman>156 people there
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23:08<Laeborg>http://pastebin.org/51725 - what can be wrong?
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23:09<Cheatah>errroneous selinux policy
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23:10<l3star1>tes
23:10<OverloadBR>thanks abrotman
23:10<OverloadBR>my mistake
23:11<l3star1>alo
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23:29<xbj9000>I installed gdm then switched to slim, is there a way to remove all the packages that came with gdm?
23:29<Cheatah>aptitude should be able to detect that
23:30<Cheatah>much better in dependency checking than apt-get
23:30<xbj9000>ok I always used apt-get
23:30<xbj9000>I have it running..
23:31<Cheatah>just do aptitude purge gdm
23:32<xbj9000>only found one
23:32<xbj9000>did I mess it up by already removing gdm earlier?
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23:33<xbj9000>I did apt-get remove gdm and that only got rid of two package
23:33<xbj9000>s
23:33<Cheatah>probably not, but you might want to reinstall gdm and then purge it to see if that helps
23:33<xbj9000>right
23:34<Cheatah>i only use apt-get for apt-get source nowadays
23:34<xbj9000>so apt-get purge gdm wouldn't do the same?
23:35<Cheatah>no
23:35<xbj9000>does it matter that I installed all of the packages using apt-get?
23:35<Cheatah>i'm not sure about that
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23:36<xbj9000>normally I wouldn't even care but I have a 4GB drive here
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23:37<xbj9000>reinstalling and purging again didn't help
23:38<Cheatah>hmm, then there are more packages depending on the rest, or apt can't figure out which packages are obsolete
23:38<xbj9000>possibly other things are now keeping the dependencies
23:38<xbj9000>right
23:39<xbj9000>I got a brand new laptop in the mail today I'm setting up for someone, and it has a dead pixel
23:39<xbj9000>:/
23:40<qq> a dead pixel ?
23:40<xbj9000>yeah one pixel is always blue
23:40<qq>on screen ?
23:41<xbj9000>it happens I guess but this one is brand new
23:41<xbj9000>yeah
23:41<qq>in center ?
23:41<xbj9000>no off to the side
23:41<qq>ok
23:42<ranix>poor baby
23:42<xbj9000>?
23:43<qq>never seen a pixel ...
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23:44<superlinux>hi all
23:44<xbj9000>hi
23:45<superlinux>if i am a normal user and i want to add another normal user (non-root) to my group, how?
23:45<xbj9000>adduser username
23:45<xbj9000>I think
23:45<xbj9000>oh to your group.. sorry I don't know exactly
23:46<Cheatah>can't be done normally
23:46<variable>I don't think so
23:46<Cheatah>you'd have to have write access to /etc/groups or any other source for group checking
23:47<variable>I think just with root right you can add/delete and edit users
23:47<Cheatah>yes
23:47<superlinux>aha ok
23:47<superlinux>i said so
23:47<superlinux>and it's thje esiet that way
23:48<variable>superlinux, what?
23:48<Cheatah>well, ldap could be used, and grant users certain permissions to modify groups
23:48<Cheatah>but by default, only /etc/group is checked
23:49<Cheatah>see /etc/nsswitch.conf
23:50<variable>:) as I know to configure /etc dirs and subdirs you need to have root rights
23:53<infotron>yeh think? :)
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