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00:02<xbj9000>anyone know how to get apm working right on an old thinkpad?
00:04<gsimmons>xbj9000: You might want to visit and search for information on your specific model.
00:04<xbj9000>good idea
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00:11<xbj9000>nothing helpful there
00:12<xbj9000>I had already added acpi=off to my boot command
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01:31<syntax>I just installed libc5 and now my system won't boot. how do I fix it?
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01:31<qq>salut rrm
01:32<qq>hi syntax
01:33<jm_>you must be insane if you went and install libc5 in 2008
01:33<syntax>hi qq
01:33<syntax>jm_, hey, it just seemed like the right thing to do
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01:35<syntax>I mean, besides the numerous errors I got during compile time, it seemed to install just fine using cp
01:36<infotron>this is qotd material
01:36<infotron> see? :)
01:36<syntax>I'll try to come up with something better tomorrow :-)
01:37<syntax>hahaha, nice
01:38<rrm>salut qq
01:39<qq>rrm: cum merge treaba ?
01:39<rrm>qq: stabil so far:-)
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01:40<rrm>qq: e ok... dar am mai reinstalllat si jucat dar acum e ok
01:41<qq>e bine atunci
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01:42<rrm>qq: am incercat freebsd, lol dar to la trusty debian se pare ca vin
01:42<qq>rrm: see you later , o zi buna
01:42<rrm>qq: c a
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02:03<syntax>why is everyone moving to grub?
02:04<Cheatah>are you now going to tell us you were still using lilo?
02:04<syntax>actually, I do
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02:05<Cheatah>well, the answer to 'why' is that grub is much better
02:06<syntax>how so?
02:06<jm_>it supports advanced features like background images
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02:06<syntax>I've heard that it has limitations where lilo doesn't
02:06<syntax>jm_, lol
02:07<Cheatah>right, lilo doesn't have a limitation on 1024 cilinders?
02:07<Cheatah>but well, it took quite a while
02:08<Cheatah>and in the meantime everyone had already moved to grub
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02:08<syntax>Cheatah, lilo has a lba32 option to work around that
02:08<syntax>grub was still immature back then
02:09<syntax>people embraced it because of what jm_ said, me thinks
02:09<infotron>I think lilo can boot once a target. I don't know if grub can.
02:10<syntax>infotron, what do you mean?
02:10<Cheatah>anyway, the damage has been done a long time ago
02:10<infotron>suppose you want to boot newkernel
02:10<infotron>if newkernel gets stuck, you can hit reset, and lilo boots linux next time.
02:10<jm_>syntax: actually no, this was added only recently - I switched to GRUB before it was even in Debian
02:10<Cheatah>i believe most distro's have used grub now for quite a while
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02:11<syntax>jm_: why?
02:11<jm_>infotron: grub supports that
02:11<infotron>cool beans :)
02:11<syntax>Cheatah: yeah, I've noticed, including Debian. I just wonder why
02:11<infotron>no remote hands needed?
02:11<jm_>syntax: because of its command line interface, no need to run anything when you install new kernel etc.
02:12<syntax>jm_: it automatically knows about your new kernel?
02:12<syntax>what about other things like how, with lilo, you can set certain boot parameters
02:13<syntax>can grub do that?
02:13<syntax>can grub do everything lilo can?
02:14<Cheatah>i don't know if grub can stop with unclear messages
02:14<Slydder>morning all
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02:14<Cheatah>never had problems with it
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02:14<path>is there a way to install lenny packages from an unstable branch? like aptitude -t lenny iceweasel ?
02:14<syntax>good morning, Slydder
02:14<path>is that possible?
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02:15<syntax>path: it's possible to download the .debs and dpkg -i them
02:15<jm_>syntax: I am not talking about Debian kernels, I don't use those (you need to run something for those anyway)
02:15<jm_>path: yes but iceweasel is in lenny now
02:15<path>syntax, just giving -f and -t without the install syntax ?
02:16<path>jm_, I want the 2.0 version
02:16<path>isnt in lenny?
02:16<syntax>path: you may need to -f, but things may break
02:16<jm_>path: that's only available in etch
02:16<path>thats sad :(
02:16<path>thanks guys
02:17<syntax>jm_: I've been using stock kernels for some time, but back in the days I'd download the latest from and build it. do you use kernel-package?
02:17<syntax>to build
02:17<jm_>syntax: nope, plain make ;)
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02:17<syntax>path: it's normally unsafe to mix .debs from other branches
02:18<syntax>you can get stuck in dependency hell
02:18<jm_>path: you should be able to use packages from etch
02:18<infotron>!tell path -about backports
02:18<infotron>dpkg: yo!
02:18<infotron>ravenbird: test
02:18<ravenbird>Yes, infotron, you're still online.
02:18<path>infotron, he didnt tell me anything :/
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02:19<infotron>ravenbird: backports
02:19<ravenbird>a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. , , , ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <>
02:19*kingsley is interested in Smart Boot Manager, a.k.a. "sbm".
02:19<infotron>path: that's because dpkg isn't here :P
02:19<path>jm_, ok googling it
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02:19<path>infotron thats weird
02:19<path>he used to be here always
02:19<infotron>ravenbird: seen dpkg
02:19<ravenbird>dpkg <n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1h 33m 15s ago, saying: ' is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb h'.
02:19<infotron>wth? :P
02:20<infotron>simonrvn: I think ravenbird is confuszzled :)
02:20<syntax>is ravenbird dpkg's backup?
02:20<infotron>yup. sorta
02:20<syntax>is that factoid incorrect?
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02:20<syntax>or the last seen for dpkg?
02:20<infotron>the seen dpkg is goofus.
02:21<infotron>ravenbird: say hi
02:21<infotron>ravenbird: seen dpkg
02:21<ravenbird>dpkg <n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1h 34m 41s ago, saying: ' is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb h'.
02:21<infotron>humm maybe it's accurate. :) odd coinsidence
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02:22<infotron>I forget who owns dpkg.
02:22<syntax>eh, apt-mirror's config file is out of date
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02:23<infotron>dondelelcaro: yo, dpkg is MIA
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02:23*infotron ponders
02:24<infotron>ravenbird: be dpkg
02:24<ravenbird>infotron: have you tried ?
02:24<infotron>*shrug* :p
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02:26<scretch>hi.. how can i find information about my grafic card? in debian (KDE) please?
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02:27<syntax>what kind of info?
02:27<scretch>name of this card..
02:27<syntax>try lspci, maybe
02:27<syntax>lspci | less
02:28<scretch>oh.. thanks
02:28<syntax>that brings up a good question. is there utility that will show all hardware info?
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02:28<syntax>like gather info from /proc and other sources like lspci
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02:29<gsimmons>ravenbird: whats my hardware
02:29<ravenbird>You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny!
02:29<scretch>yes.. i see all info about my PC
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02:29<syntax>gsimmons, I was wondering about an all-in-one tool that would do it all
02:29<syntax>hello Kebianizao|work
02:30<scretch>and how can i install <pack>.run ?
02:30<Kebianizao|work>I've started fretsonfire, it crashed and left my screen with an anormal resultion (640x480)
02:30<syntax>scretch, those are normally files you download but don't have the executable bit set on them
02:30<syntax>scretch, chmod 755 ./
02:30<syntax>then try it
02:30<gsimmons>syntax: hwinfo or lshw are usually detailed enough.
02:31<scretch>ok thx
02:31<Kebianizao|work>also I can't use the mouse any longer, and while I got to restore the resolution using xrandr, I still hace some things weird, like this app which is using abnormally big fonts
02:31<syntax>Kebianizao|work, ctrl-alt-shift-+ or /etc/init.d/gdm restart
02:31<syntax>gsimmons, thanks
02:32<Kebianizao|work>syntax: well, ctrl-alt-shift doesn't work and well, I'd like to keep this session running
02:32<syntax>Kebianizao|work, that changes the resolution, on-the-fly, but it seems you got that fixed
02:32<syntax>I'm really not sure what fretsonfire is, maybe a game?
02:33<Kebianizao|work>syntax: yes, relying on opengl and python
02:33<syntax>I've had troubles before with playing stuff in WINE, game crashes, and I'm stuck with a low res and lack of keyboard/mouse
02:33<Kebianizao|work>could be a similar issue
02:33<syntax>is the game native to linux? or is it run under wine?
02:33<syntax>sounds native to me
02:33<Kebianizao|work>syntax: native, yes
02:34<syntax>I really don't see how that could affect your KVM
02:34<Kebianizao|work>syntax: kvm?
02:34<syntax>keyboard, video, mouse
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02:34<Kebianizao|work>oh, ok :) yes, neither do I
02:34<Kebianizao|work>I'll ask to #debian-x ppl
02:34<Kebianizao|work>thanks a lot
02:35<syntax>if you don't mind restarting X, that should restore your connectivity
02:35<alvarezp>Kebianizao|work: maybe the app kept running. Try ALT+F1 and see if you can kill it.
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02:35<syntax>that could be
02:35<alvarezp>then you can switch back and restore your resolution.
02:35<Kebianizao|work>I can's see it in ps aux
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02:35<syntax>it could have exclusive control over your hardware... bad idea IMO
02:36<syntax>Kebianizao|work, kill -9 it and let cron sort it out
02:36<Kebianizao|work>I mean, it looks like no process related to it is running
02:36<syntax>sorry, I got that from someone in IRC years ago: kill -9 'em all and let cron sort 'em out
02:36<syntax>Kebianizao|work, the game process?
02:36<Kebianizao|work>syntax: hehe :P
02:37<Kebianizao|work>syntax: yes
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02:37<syntax>Kebianizao|work, kill it
02:37<Kebianizao|work>I do have console access
02:37<syntax>that may relenquish control of your hardware
02:37<Kebianizao|work>syntax: err, I meant no game process running, so I can't kill anything
02:37<scretch>syntax: chmod 755 ./ doesnt work.. i want install 3D driver ...
02:37<syntax>so what is it that you see running?
02:38<Kebianizao|work>syntax: just my regular desktop, the game died
02:38<syntax>ravenbird, tell scretch about nvidia
02:38<Kebianizao|work>I got to fix resolution (more or less) but still some problems
02:38<syntax>wow, who runs that infobot?
02:38<infotron>ravenbird: who owns you
02:38<syntax>maybe I asked for the wrong factoid
02:38<infotron>like I said the last time :)
02:39<syntax>scretch, google for Debian etch nvidia
02:39<syntax>and follow those instructions
02:39<syntax>Kebianizao|work, do you mind restarting X?
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02:40<Kebianizao|work>syntax: yes, I do :S
02:41<syntax>ok, fair enough. however, I don't know how far you'll get without doing it. it really seems that the game took exclusive access to your hardware and hasn't released it
02:41<syntax>I really don't understand why a native game would cause such a problem, though
02:42<Kebianizao|work>syntax: well, my research is about knowing why ;)
02:42<infotron>you want new nvidia drivers w/o restarting X? that's quite impossible.
02:42<infotron>at least you don't have to reboot.
02:43<path>is amd still debian's sponsor ?
02:43<syntax>infotron, nah, scretch wanted nvida, Kebianizao|work has a different issue
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02:44<path>I'm seeing some alioth machines featuring AMD cores :-)
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02:48<syntax>trying out apt-mirror
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02:50<Kebianizao|work>leaving, bye
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02:50<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>woo new kernel
02:51<syntax>2.8 kernel? where??
02:53<Cheatah>hmm, playing with debian packaging is fun
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02:53<syntax>I want to get in to that
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02:55<syntax>sweet, got apt-mirror downloading etch now
02:55<Xenophobia>we are up
02:55<syntax>Xenophobia, sweet, how do I get a free shell?
02:56<syntax>too bad this is all in a VM for testing
02:57<syntax>this mirror is screwing up my ability to stream youtube videos :-(
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02:57<syntax>I guess I don't get a free shell :-(
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03:00<syntax>!tld at
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03:03<syntax>cogwheel, where did you come up with that nick?
03:04<cogwheel>i just muddled it up
03:04<syntax>it's a term used in World of Warcraft
03:04<cogwheel>oh :D
03:04<syntax>it's like a gear wheel icon
03:04<syntax>replaces your mouse pointer in some cases
03:04<cogwheel>well i'm bad at making up nicks -_-
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03:05<syntax>I've noticed :-) lol, j/k
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03:10<syntax>I'm drawing a blank here. what's the name of the console based traffic analyzer? I think it has traf in the name
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03:11<jm_>there are many
03:11<syntax>uses ncurses
03:11<jm_>iptraf is one
03:11<syntax>that's it, thanks
03:11<jm_>also try jnettop
03:11<syntax>is that better?
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03:12<jm_>iptraf does have some other features, but i often prefer jnettop
03:12<syntax>I'll check it out when I have some time
03:13<syntax>here's a fundamental question that I have not been able to test yet. lets say you have an IRC session going and you dynamically change your default route. will that break your IRC session?
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03:14<syntax>what I mean is if you have two default routes out to the 'net
03:14<syntax>and you change it
03:15<syntax>I can test this tomorrow... I think it's gonna be application specific
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03:18<syntax>has anyone ever come across a robust vncserver script to start certain displays on certain resolutions?
03:18<syntax>er, I mean an init.d type script
03:19<syntax>perhaps have it consult an /etc script that holds display numbers with thier respective resolution
03:21<syntax>I'll add this to my projects list :-)
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03:26<newb>how can i copy a debian installation into image (like lh_build does)
03:26<newb>from a directory that was created during lh_build (chroot)
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03:31<ludwig>After a dist-upgrade my X multihead configuration does not work anymore.
03:32<ludwig>I used to have two devices pointing to the same PCI device, two monitors and two screens. The default layout used Screen 0 and Screen 1 ...
03:35<ludwig>now the X server 1.4.2 crashes (actually, I get a backtrace and it complains about receiving a Sig11)
03:36<ludwig>I suppose there have been some major changes from 1.3.0 I used before to 1.4.2
03:36<ludwig>But I did not find much
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03:40<jm_>ludwig: check BTS then
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03:41<ludwig>jm_, what is BTS?
03:41<jm_>bug tracking system --
03:41<ludwig>jm_, aaah!
03:41<jm_>ravenbird: bts
03:41<ravenbird>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges .
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03:44<Lounge>there's a bug in gnome that tries to unlock a luks encrypted dvd for you after you type the pass but fails to open the crypto disk, anybody seen this before?
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03:45<Lounge>if i manually mount it, the luks dvd works fine
03:45<ludwig>jm_, thx
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03:50<Learnerofskills>hi, I have an external harddrive that keeps automounting itself as root when I plug it in. How can I tell it to automount with user permissions instead?
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03:52<jm_>Learnerofskills: what auto mounts it then?
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03:54<Lounge>Learnerofskills: you can gedit /stc/fstab put the externer harddrve in there as rw
03:54<Lounge>my typo
03:55<Learnerofskills>I tried that... didn't work for me
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03:55<Learnerofskills>jm_ I don't know what mounts it, all I know is that it automounts as root in /media/Seagate\ Barracuda
03:55<Lounge>is the hd mounted in /media?
03:58<Lounge>is it an ext drive or ntsf?
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04:00<jm_>Learnerofskills: gnome/kde?
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04:00<Learnerofskills>Lounge: it is ntfs
04:00<Learnerofskills>jm_:fluxbox :)
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04:01<jm_>Learnerofskills: are you using hal or somesuch? usbmount?
04:01<Learnerofskills>jm_: this distro came with xfce as the default though, so it could be an xfce service
04:01<jm_>Learnerofskills: check which processes are running then
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04:04<Learnerofskills> these are my processes
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04:04<Learnerofskills>woops... pasted too much, haha
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04:07<pbn>Hi there. Any of you guys aware of Firefox 3.x from Debian lenny crashing ? Just had it crash twice in one hour...
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04:09<jm_>Learnerofskills: yeah it's not plain fluxbox
04:10<Learnerofskills>I am running my fluxbox with the xfce panel too
04:10<jm_>pbn: hasn't crashed for me yet, but I am not using it a lot
04:10<jm_>yeah that would explain it
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04:12<samuel-veyre>pbn : does it crash anytime or only when you are on the same websites (dailymotion, youtube, gmail,...) ?
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04:12<Learnerofskills>I think it is using hal to mount
04:12<samuel-veyre>pbn : I also heard that Firefox 3 crashes because of problème with old extensions (sorry for my bad English).
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04:13<jm_>yeah most likely it's hal
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04:13<samuel-veyre>Try to use Firefox 3 "naked" without any plugins or add-ons extension (is "extensions" an English word ?)
04:13<Slydder>hey. am needing to save a thumbnail of a stream every ten minutes using ffmpeg. however, using the following command: dorian:~# ffmpeg -b 200 -an -r 1 -f image2 -s 768x576 images%08d.png -i I get a buttload of images and I can find no way of limiting ffmpeg to taking an image every 10 minutes. it would seem I need to write a script to get this working. unless anyone has a better idea? anyone?
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04:14<Learnerofskills>so how would I configure hal to automount it as a user?
04:14<jm_>i have no idea, i never used hal
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04:15<pbn>samuel-veyre: ah oui :) fais un peu /join #debian-fr
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04:18<suiside>Learnerofskills: hal hones rules in /etc/fstab, you could add the desired mountpoint there along with suitable permission settings, don't identify the drive by it's device node as that could change if yiu have several external devices connected, use the drives UUID instead
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04:18<voicu>Hi, I have a simple network that lets me connect to the Internet. It's really slow now and I thought I got another DoS attack so i sniffed the network card. I found a lot of packets that go between 2 computers that are not mine. How can that be?
04:18<Slydder>voicu: windows systems? if so, welcome to the world of MS and netbios
04:19<Learnerofskills>how do I find my drive's uuid?
04:19<suiside>Learnerofskills: another solution would be to write a specific hal rule for the drive, if that's what you want consult the hald documentation
04:19<voicu>more specifically: I have the ip and I see packets going from to
04:19<voicu>slydder: so that is normal?
04:20<Slydder>voicu: if on the same subnet (internal local net) then quite possibly. however, as you posted public IP's then most likely not.
04:20<Learnerofskills>if possible I would like hal to mount all external drives as a user... I will read the hald documentation
04:20<voicu>slydder: But why go through me? we have a router that should direct traffic. I don't even have rules setup to do any forwarding to other computers, how is it working?
04:20<Nemoder>voicu: if you are capturing packets in promiscuous mode then yes
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04:21<samuel-veyre>pbn, thanks ... I didn't know about #debian-fr (I confused with #debianfr where people were not very friendly).
04:21<voicu>nemoder: hmm, what does that actually mean?
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04:22<suiside>Learnerofskills: hal should do that normally, I think the issue here is the ntfs filesystem
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04:22<Nemoder>voicu: normally packets that are not destined for your IP but still get sent to your NIC are dropped
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04:23<voicu>nemoder: ah, ok. thanks for clearing that up
04:23<Piglet>howdy, completely new to linux here and I've stumped myself :)
04:23<Piglet>not really used to IRC either, so if I dont follow ettiquette lemme know
04:24<voicu>well what's the problem Piglet?
04:24<Piglet>I couldnt get the debian apt-get to work properly from the installer, so I had to run just the base system only, now how do i manually install a desktop etc?
04:24<Piglet>I've been poking around google for about an hour trying to figure it out
04:25<Nemoder>Piglet: try running tasksel
04:25<Learnerofskills>suiside: so how do I fix the permissions on my ntfs filesystem... I have tried chown and chmod on the mounted directory and they did not work.
04:25<Piglet>just type that into the command line while logged in as root?
04:25<Nemoder>Piglet: yes
04:25<Piglet>ah thank you :)
04:26<Piglet>I dont see a desktop listed in there though, only print server and a few others
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04:27<Nemoder>Piglet: strange, there should be an option for desktop. what CD image did you use to install?
04:27<Piglet>I used the netinst one, think it was about 180mb
04:28<suiside>Learnerofskills: make sure the filesystem is mounted rw and with a proper suid, also make sure you have a filesystem driver capable of both reading and writing, you can use for example ntfs3g for that
04:28<Piglet>debian-40r3-i386-netinst was the filename
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04:29<Nemoder>Piglet: yeah the very first option should be "Desktop environment". hm so what errrors are you getting with apt-get?
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04:30<Piglet>it seemed like everytime I tried to install it via the cd auto-setup, it always crashed loading grub
04:30<gsimmons>Slydder: (re ffmpeg) You could run your command for one second, then repeat it every ten minutes (eg. cron). The -t option (duration) should be useful to you.
04:30<Piglet>but doing it via just the base system install, and then telling the autoloader to load grub worked
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04:32<Slydder>gsimmons: that is obvious. the problem is ffmpeg has a built in filename incrementor ( -f filename%05d.png ) that gets broken when you run it in a cron job. which means each time I would have to eval the file (image) names prior to running ffmpeg. was hoping to be able to avoid that.
04:32<Learnerofskills>suiside: sorry, but I am not sure how to check if it is mounted rw with proper suid. ntfs-3g is installed though.
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04:33<Slydder>gsimmons: and whether I use -y or not the original file will get overwritten.
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04:34<suiside>Learnerofskills: both are options passable to mount, mount without arguments prints the device node for filesystem, mountpoint and mount options
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04:35<Learnerofskills>suiside: /dev/sdb2 on /media/Seagate Barracuda type ntfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal)
04:36<jm_>ahh that uhelper almost gives it out :P
04:37<Nemoder>Piglet: what happens when you run: aptitude install gnome
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04:38<Piglet>I'm stumbling through that right now, finally found it and I think i got it installing, kind of bumbling along
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04:38<Piglet>I think a large part of my problem is I keep using enter as a select key, and I'm slowly learning that space is usually the correct key instead of enter
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04:39<Nemoder>Piglet: yes, in most ncurses interfaces space selects and enter proceeds
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04:39<Piglet>in fact I think thats where I kept screwing up the auto installer, i kept hitting enter instead of space
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04:40<Piglet>ok, i think I got kde installed, uh.. now how do I launch it?
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04:41<Nemoder>Piglet: aptitude install kdm
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04:43<Piglet>hmmm... nope didnt work right, i must have screwed up the kde install. I think i'm going to start from scratch and run the installer again and remember to use space this time heh. if it doesnt work I'll check back again
04:43<Piglet>thank you for your help
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04:51<Learnerofskills>suiside: is nosuid a proper suid in my case?
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04:55<syntax>good night
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04:57<Cyrack>Hi, I'm having a problem with the wireless network on my laptop. The WiFi chip is a Intel Pro/Wireless2200 (I have fetched the firmware and put it in place). When starting the network, iwevent shows that the card keeps scanning, causing any connection to be flushed (monitored by iwconfig). Anyone who knows why the card keeps scanning for accesspoints, and how to prevent it?
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05:00<Cyorxamp>How do I make a bootable DOS USB key (to update my BIOS) from inside Debian?
05:01<Cyrack>Cyorxamp, you need a image of a DOS disk
05:01<Cyorxamp>freedos provide one
05:01<suiside>*sigh* because parting will sure get one answers faster...
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05:03<Cyorxamp>I've already got a floppy disk but the BIOS updating program is too big
05:03*Cyorxamp *tuts* at Dell
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05:04<Learnerofskills>suiside: sorry about that... didn't think I would get a reply
05:05<Cyrack>Cyorxamp, can't you put the BIOS image on another partition and load it from that drive? DOS should find the partitions itself
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05:05<Cyorxamp>Cyrack, this only has a EXT3 partition that DOS can't read
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05:06<Cyrack>then on the USB disk? First you put the DOS-image onto it, then creates a new FAT partition on the remaining space and copythe BIOS to that partition
05:06<Cyorxamp>why give me that a 2nd time
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05:07<Cyorxamp>Cyrack, DOS isn't going to see the 2nd partition on the USB key tho
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05:08<Cyorxamp>DOS has no idea what a USB device is!, it the BIOS that emulates a USB key to behave like a 1.44mb floppy for the first partition only
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05:09<Cyrack>hmm... then you could burn the BIOS image to a CD, and load it from there... pretty much what I did last time I flashed a BIOS...
05:09<jm_>man mkfs.vfat syslinux
05:09<Cyorxamp>I'm gonna follow this instead:
05:09<Cyorxamp>Cyrack, considered that, it won't work either as the bios update program extracts files out of itself and a CD is read-only
05:10<Cyrack>Cyorxamp, ah, if you don't get a prompt to select the file, then I can see the problem... :-/
05:11<suiside>Learnerofskills: the nosuid option causes set-user-identifier or set-group-identifier to be ignored, now instead of asking "is this okay for me" I'd suggest you'll get familiar with how user-identifiers and group-identifiers work so you can deem that yourself
05:11<Cyorxamp>it'd be nice if Dell could offer the -actual- binary of the firmware to be applied than some fancy win-dos mix of an executable
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05:31<munga>hi all. I'm netbooting a machine. The client is able to get its ip addr from the dhcp server, but then times out asking : arp who-has actinium tell actinium
05:31<munga>it seems it asks himself for the mac addr ...
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05:54<hachi>I just did an upgrade on my debian machine for perl here
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05:54<hachi>as far as I can tell... perl-modules has been removed
05:54<hachi>but that's required to install perl
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05:54<hachi>so, my system is wedged, anyone have a clue how to fix this?
05:56<buffoon_work__>hachi, try "apt-get -f install"
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05:57<hachi>yeah, it says that... the install steps for perl 5.10 appear to call File::Find (the perl module) which was removed somehow during the upgrade
05:58<buffoon_work__>and if you try to install perl-modules manually?
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05:58<hachi>requires perl to be installed, but version 5.8.8 is currently installed
05:59<buffoon_work__>are you using testing/unstable?
05:59<hachi>it requires 5.10.0
05:59<hachi>testing, that's where 5.10 is
06:00<buffoon_work__>maybe you should wait 1-2 days so the unmet depencies will be resolved
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06:00<themill>testing shouldn't have unmet dependencies though
06:00<hachi>uhh, there aren't any
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06:01<hachi>perl 5.10 installer is calling File::Find, which is in perl-modules or something, and perl-modules is at 5.8, but File::Find isn't in that version of perl-modules
06:01<hachi>I'm not real sure
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06:02<hachi>I'm repairing it by compiling my own copy of perl in /usr/local and symlinking it into place so the dpkg install steps can run
06:02<buffoon_work__>shouldn't be perl-modules the same version as perl?
06:02<hachi>yes, but it can't install it yet because I was in the middle of the upgrade when it bailed hard
06:03<hachi>I think I've got it going now... so nevermind
06:03<hachi>still, annoying that I have to push on it like this to bypass it making a mistake
06:03<buffoon_work__>thats why people don't recommend to use testing or unstable
06:04<hachi>if nobody uses testing, the bugs will hit stable and then we'll be in the same situation
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06:05<jm_>File::Find *is in* perl-modules 5.8
06:06<hachi>well then I'm puzzled, I certainly didn't remove the package
06:06<hachi>and I know dpkg doesn't remove it while it upgrades... it does an 'atomic' switch... or at least mostly atomic
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06:28<KammyDoe>What scripts does Debian run when waking from sleep?
06:28<KammyDoe>IT breaks my touchpad when It wakes up. It dosen't work properly.
06:29<KammyDoe>I was wondering what scripts it ran... Anyone know?
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06:40<n0name123>hi ^^
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07:26<qrta>has anyone experience with Apache mod_ssl TLS SNI support? (
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07:27<gianluca_r>hello all
07:27<gianluca_r>i need to installa a new kernel on a machine that boots up in intramfs using busybox
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07:28<gianluca_r>could i have some hint on how to proceed? please?
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07:31<gianluca_r>the machine boots up, but it starts a busybox shell, i would reinstall a new kernel on it, so i can use Debian, some hint?
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07:37<gianluca_r>thanks and bye all :)
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07:44<disposable>i have installed vsftp server on etch. when i log in using linux ftp client and type "ls" i get "200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV." However when i do the same from a windows machine i only get "500 Illegal port command" and "425 Use PORT or PASV first" and nothing else. i had 'pasv_promiscuous=YES' but that didn't help. any hints?
07:45<disposable>also, from linux client, after that message, a normal list of files follows. on windows it doesn't
07:46<E0x>disposable: try enable the pasv mode in the client
07:46<E0x>in windows
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07:52<disposable>E0x: i've just done port_promiscuous=YES and it seems to have worked.
07:53<disposable>E0x: problem is that i will have some brain free users who will not have a clue how to type quote PASV so whatever needs to be done needs to be done on the server
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08:49<epidemic>can someone give me a hand with something?
08:50<avu>dpkg is gone :(
08:50<jm_>ravenbird: ask
08:50<gsimmons_>epidemic: Just go ahead and describe your problem.
08:51<epidemic>I've installed something on the system which is requesting me to install pulse audio everytime I launch synaptic package manager, I dont want pulse as I am a newb and setting it up seems too hard, problem now is everytime I launch the manager to get my updates it wants to install pulse
08:51<jm_>heh ravenbird is too shy to say it in public
08:51<epidemic>how do I find out what ive installed thats asking for pulse?
08:51<epidemic>so I can rm -rf it to hell where it belongs :P
08:53<themill>dondelelcaro: dpkg gone walkies?
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08:55<jm_>epidemic: sounds like a recommended package maybe
08:55<epidemic>hmm ;/ yeah but it wasnt recommended till I started installing stuff and now it's being pretty insistant
08:56<epidemic>and I dont want pulse audio the icons just arnt their and its argh.. :P
08:56<jm_>try disabling recommends and see if it helps
08:56<epidemic>yeah its stopped asking, so if its recommended does that mean im better off installing it?
08:57<jm_>no you should be able to live without it just fine
08:57<jm_>but maybe you'll be missing some features
08:57<epidemic>I just wish I knew what it was thats asking for it so I can bin the application
08:57<epidemic>bugger it i'll install it and just forget its their :P
08:57<jm_>that easy to find out
08:58<epidemic>wow, thats intreasting, I removed a pulse lib and now its stopped asking praise jesus
08:58<makke>hail satan! ;)
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08:59<epidemic>no here it goes install gstreamer0.10 pulse audio, pav, padevchooser, paman, paprefs, pavucontrol etc
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09:00<epidemic>I hate u pulse audio :P
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09:01<epidemic>im happy using kmix and alsa
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09:02<epidemic>it was all working just fine until I installed something thats fallen in love with pulse audio
09:02<epidemic>and for the life of me I dont know what
09:03<jm_>apt-rdepends to the rescue (apt-cache can do that too)
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09:10<epidemic>ive done it.. bloody audacious extras.. :P
09:10<epidemic>includes pulse audio output, so it loads the whole pulse suite
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09:12<epidemic>oh that feels a hell of a lot better, I can stop breaking out in a cold sweat
09:13<epidemic>I was struggling to think what the hell wanted pulse audio, turns out a damn extras plugin.. grr :P
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09:18<epidemic>who wants to see something cool?
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09:19<epidemic>connect to this IP with telnet <~My IP say hello to services
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09:20<epidemic>actually using host it says on my whois, haha, if only...
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09:21<epidemic>no body been core dumped yet.. lol, cowards
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09:22<epidemic>l8r thanks for the help Jm_
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09:42<mejo>i'd like to tunnel a http-connection through ssh. the tunnel should be established from server1 to server2.
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09:42<mejo>I tried the following on server1: 'ssh -g -L 8033:server2:80 server2'
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09:43<mejo>it works if i try 'localhost:8033' afterwards on server1, but it doesn't work remotely with server1:8033 from anywhere else.
09:43<mejo>did i miss something?
09:43<jm_>man ssh
09:43<jm_>ups sorry
09:44<weasel>read the manpages about -g, and about GatewayPorts
09:44<weasel>(man ssh, man sshd_config)
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09:47<mejo>> The bind_address of “localhost” indicates that the listening port be bound for local use only, while an empty address or ‘*’ indicates that the port should be available from all interfaces.
09:47<weasel>that's a lie.
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09:48<mejo>weasel: that's what man ssh says.
09:48<weasel>doesn't make it true.
09:48<weasel>I told you about -g.
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09:48<weasel>ah, and you use it.
09:48<weasel>oh well, then maybe the server doesn't allow it.
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09:49<weasel>mejo: what does netsat -nlp show you anyway?
09:49<themill>mejo: "ssh -g -L your.public.ip.address:8033:server2:80 server2" should work ok
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09:50<mejo>themill: i tried that as well, no success.
09:50<mejo>tcp 0 0* LISTEN 5452/ssh
09:51<mejo> <- that's my public ip
09:51<weasel>so it's listening on
09:51<weasel>and telnet 8033 will connect to it.
09:51<jm_>mejo: so what happens?
09:51<mejo>themill: yes, seems like firewall issues.
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09:51<razak>hay guys
09:51<razak>so i talked to people in the irc about gentoo
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09:52<razak>and now i am going to ask about debain
09:52<razak>which one do u guys think i s better
09:52<weasel>razak: then you are wrong here.
09:52<weasel>this is #debian, not #debain.
09:52<weasel>(and it's you, not u)
09:53<razak>are u a English teacher
09:53<mejo>that should open the port, shouldn't it?: 'iptables -A OUTPUT --sport 8033 -j ACCEPT; iptables -A OUTPUT --dport 8033 -j ACCEPT; iptables -A INPUT --sport 8033 -j ACCEPT; iptables -A INPUT --dport 8033 -j ACCEPT'
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09:53<weasel>mejo: depends on what is in the chains before that.
09:54<mejo>ok, the server uses firehol as firewall, and the chains look rather complicated.
09:54<razak>so which one is better dudes?
09:54<themill>razak: you're in #debian, what do you expect us to say?
09:54<weasel>themill: I was thinking of maybe "shut up"
09:54<themill>weasel: that was coming next...
09:54<themill>dpkg: tell razak about why debian
09:54<weasel>themill: dpkg isn't here
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09:55<mejo>weasel: is there any way to open the port regardless of already active chains? i fear the answer is no.
09:55<themill>razak: [14:55] <dpkg> or
09:55<jm_>ravenbird: tell razak about why debian
09:55<weasel>mejo: how about -I instead of -A?
09:55<weasel>mejo: (and please try to understand what you are doing. these commands up there clearly indicate you don't)
09:56<ian>hi there! Does anyone know where is the channel of debian java maintainers (esp. eclipse)?
09:56<grummund>will 'diff' do a diff of all *.[ch] files in one dir against another dir?
09:56<jm_>grummund: if you tell it to
09:56<MotoHoss>razak: reason 1-->
09:56<themill>grummund: you can diff dir1 dir2. Or use a visual diff program like kdiff3.
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09:57<grummund>themill: ok, but it seems to me that it can't be restricted to only *.[ch] files
09:57<Baggy2>Debian etch uses gcc-4.1.1 and glibc-2.6.1 by default, right?
09:57<grummund>do you know is that right ?
09:57<themill>ian: there's #debian-java, but that channel is mainly used for coordinating java packaging so you aren't likely to get sensible user support there.
09:57<jm_>diff has an option to exclude files
09:58<grummund>yep, but not include... hmmm.
09:58<grummund>i guess that's a no then
09:58<jm_>it's the same shit, just reverse ...
09:58<mejo>weasel: you're right and thanks for the help
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09:58<ian>themill, as a matter of fact user support isn't necessary; just wanted to ask why the eclipse debs are so old in unstable (a question I asked here some weeks ago)
09:58<jm_>Baggy2: no
09:59<themill>grummund: kdiff3 certainly can. diff can only exclude, it seems.
09:59<mejo>weasel: i believe that i do understand the ssh tunnel stuff, but iptables stuff is rather cryptic to me. i need to read more docs to get that.
09:59<grummund>themill: ok thanks
09:59<Baggy2>jm_: oh.. that could be a problem then.. what's the default versions?
09:59<jm_>Baggy2: gcc is 4.1, glibc is 2.3
10:00<weasel>mejo: there is excellent documentation
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10:01<jm_>ravenbird: tell mejo -about iptables tutorial
10:01<Baggy2>jm_: 4.1.1 and 2.3.6 if we add an extra digit to that?
10:01<jm_>Baggy2: right
10:02<Baggy2>jm_: thanks
10:02<Baggy2>I guess I've added some unstable stuff a while ago :(
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10:02<jm_>or backports?
10:02<themill>ian: seems that some work has been done but it seems stalled:
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10:27<jlbelmonte>I'm working with pdbuild an i have to change the sources.list, i use pbuild --login to log and modify the file, but when exit, the base.tgz goes to the previous values
10:28<jlbelmonte>I can't see anywhere how to make that changes consistent :(
10:28<jlbelmonte>some one knows?
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11:01<KammyDoe>What do I need to install to play WAVE files? (.wav)
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11:06<OKY>Hola a todos
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11:07<themill>[16:07] <dpkg> Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:08<OKY>Quiero hacer una consulta respecto al problema del video en una laptop Compaq Presario F752LA + Etch
11:08<OKY>como podria solucionar es problema
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11:08<themill>OKY: /join #debian-es
11:09<themill>amphi: no bot :(
11:09<mejo>i don't know whether I fully understand DSA-1608-1.
11:09<suiside>KammyDoe: virtually any media player software will do
11:09<mejo>what exactly is meant with 'the fix applied will have the
11:09<mejo>consequence of disallowing the selection of data or index paths under the database root'?
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11:10<mejo>does it mean that I no longer can backup/restore mysql dbs/tables by accessing the files in /var/lib/mysql directly?
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11:11<weasel>that isn't a good idea to begin with
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11:14<mejo>weasel: why should that be bad, when i stop the mysql server before backup or restore?
11:15<weasel>then it'll probably work :)
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11:16<mejo>ok, but the sentence i quoted is not about this issue, is it?
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11:16<weasel>probably this will not affect you, correct.
11:16<alys>I downloaded and installed Etch last Saturday. I cannot play DVDs as 'libdvdcss' is not installed. Upon going to the Debian repository it seems that file is no longer available. Has anyone a suggestion for an alternative or can I fetch a .deb file or source code? Thank you.
11:16<mejo>i don't understand what 'disallowing the selection of data or index paths under the database root' means.
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11:17<Zathraz>hi. Are there any issues related to 'bind mount' on USB devices which are not always available?
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11:17<Zathraz>that way I can end up with dangling mounts I suppose?
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11:19<mejo>alys: the guess that package name changed to libdvdcss2. and it's in non-free, so you'll have to add non-free to your sources.list.
11:19<alys>Thanks a lot mejo - that is so helpful
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11:20<themill>alys: [16:19] <dpkg> To play DVDs, you need some media playing software (ask me about <dvd> for some suggestions on viewers). You will also need libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdread3 w32codecs some of which are in <> (see <libdvdcss> <w32codecs>). You will also need to set a region on your dvd player if you have never done so before using regionset. Also ask me about <dvd playback troubleshooting>.
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11:26<alys>themill: It seems a lot of configuration. I can play DVDs using "Puppy Linux" (if that's not a dirty word!) on the same computer, but I would rather stick to debian, of course. Thank you so much.
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11:27<themill>alys: it's not a lot of configuration, it's just making sure you have the correct packages installed. Some of these are of dubious legality so they cannot be included within debian directly.
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11:27<alys>I see....
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11:30<almdudler>qick question: what is a .desktop file and how can i create one
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11:33<themill>almdudler: they can define shortcuts to things on your desktop, the properties of a directory as displayed in your filemanager, the association of file-types or mime-types with various programs and also what goes where in the menu structure for your applications menu. Copying and editing one is the easiest thing to do unless there's a menu editor or similar for the task you are trying to complete.
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11:36<almdudler>themill thx, what would i put in it if i want it to link to nm-applet, i need it to autostart the applet on session logon
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11:36<themill>if you start nm-applet then log out of your gnome session saving the session then that should be all you need. No .desktop files required.
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11:38<almdudler>im running lxdeand its not saving the session on logout
11:38<almdudler>i dont have gnome installed at all
11:38<almdudler>just bare system +xorg+lxde
11:39<themill>almdudler: ahh... is there an Autostart directory for lxde? KDE has ~/.kde/Autostart where you can drop scripts.
11:39<almdudler>yes its ~/.config/autostart
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11:40<themill>almdudler: can you drop scripts in there or does it have to be desktop files?
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11:42<almdudler>i think they only mention .desktop files
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11:43<almdudler>they say it supports autostart spec
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11:45<themill>almdudler: this might work for you then.... echo -e "[Desktop Entry]\nName=Network Manager\nExec=nm-applet" >> ~/.config/autostart/nm-applet
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11:47<themill>almdudler: no worries... hopefully it will also work :)
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11:47<Hideo>damn, gotta say I love Debian, I have a server running sid that hasn't been turned on in over 2 years, I turned it on, update/upgrade, fix the ssl/ssh issue, clean things up, fix the services, now it runs fine, all in under 30 minutes =D
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11:50<jthomas>What package do I need to allow to open files from the network? (Lenny, KDE)
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12:00<munga> hi all, with lvm, Can I move a logical volume from a VG to another VG ?
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12:04<vook>munga: I don't know, but have you tried just removing it from it's current VG and then adding it to the new one?
12:05<munga>vook: can you give me a quick example ? which command should I use ?
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12:06<vook>hold on - i'm not at a server currently. (I think it may be lvrm or something). You can just type lv and/or vg at the command prompt, and hit tab twice. Then look read the man pages on the commands you see.
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12:08<vook>lvremove removes a volume from a group, etc... just read up on the lvm tools.
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12:10<vook>oh, and also some commands start with pv. The lvm2 tools all start with lv, vg, or pv.
12:10<wea0>When I download with high speed my irc connection timeouts and web-surfing is barely possible. Is there anything I can do?
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12:10<draft>hi !
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12:11<jthomas>munga be careful -- lvrm may well remove the vg and possibly its data, i have no idea but th 'rm' part sounds scary
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12:12<munga>jthomas: sounds scary to me too ... I'll have a look at the man pages first :)
12:12<draft>i've installed nvidia proprietary graphics driver on my debian system through the .sh provided on NVIDIA site. Does anyone know how to remove it ? (i just can set Driver to "nv" in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but i would like to remove it (to restart a fresh install with debian packages) )
12:12<jthomas>wea0 how are you downloading? torrents create a lot of network chatter
12:13<wea0>iceweasel or konqueror
12:13<vook>wea0: you can use wget with the --limit-rate switch to throttle downloads, leaving some bandwidth for other apps.
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12:14<Woet>Failed (/lib/tls/i686/cmov/ version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by plugins/GeoIP_Plugin))
12:14<Woet>what should I install?
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12:17<themill>Woet: you need to compile that plugin yourself rather than sticking a random package into php and hoping it will work out.
12:17<gsimmons>munga: You're required to create a new logical volume in your other volume group. Once you've transferred the existing data over, you can delete the old logical volume.
12:17<Woet>first of all, it isnt PHP
12:17<gsimmons>jthomas: No, lvremove does not remove volume groups.
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12:17<Woet>second of all, there is nothing to compile for it
12:18<themill>Woet: Forgive my ESP-over-IRC powers for being a little off today. How about providing us with some more information then. (since you're normally in here asking about PHP things...)
12:18<Woet>well, isnt there something like apt-get install glibc?
12:18<Woet>I simply need GLIBC, and I do not know where to find it
12:18<themill>Woet: you already have glibc installed. I can guarantee that.
12:18<munga>gsimmons: ok, basically the answer is that I've to do it manually anyway ... ok thanks for the clarification
12:19<fxiny>libc6 and glibc are the same
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12:19<themill>Woet: Anything that is complaining about the glibc version is not compiled correctly for your box.
12:21<vook>/lib/i686/cmov/ is in the libc-i686 package.
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12:21<themill>vook: but it won't back GLIBC_2.4 on an etch box
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12:29<MoDaX>does anyone know something about problems which could have sid unbootable today?
12:29<MoDaX>could have made*
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12:40<bighornram>how big is the / supposed to be? when i installed, i let setup divide the partitions. mine is 273674 and is now 100% full. are there any options besides re-installing my system?
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12:44<themill>bighornram: you can apt-get clean (or autoclean) to get rid of downloaded .debs. Also look at aptitude autoremove or deborphan/debfoster for finding packages that aren't required anymore. Also remove any kernels you are no longer using. See if something has filled /tmp or a big log file in /var/log is ruining your day. (depending on your partitioning, of course)
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12:48<vook>it may not be recommended, but I usually create a symlink from /var/cache/apt/archives to a directory on a larger partition. For me, /var only bloats up during large upgrades or installs; most of the time it less than 512mb of data.
12:48<bighornram>what are Virtual Packages
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12:49<vook>bighornram: a package that just contains a list of a bunch of other packages to install (i.e. gnome-desktop-environment)
12:49<bighornram>so that shouldn't be large, i have 2417
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13:37<meandtheshell>hi folks, after upgrading my sid on one of my boxes, the machine got hung after rebooting with this error message within a gnome-terminal "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal". Any hints? I already googled but did not found anything helpful ...
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13:39<fxiny>meandtheshell: no idea : 18:29 < MoDaX> does anyone know something about problems which could have sid unbootable today?
13:39<meandtheshell>fxiny: I see ... well, glad I have more than one box :-P
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13:41<Hideo>fxiny, meandtheshell I use sid, just upgraded my server, no problems at all booting so far
13:41<meandtheshell>well, I am talking about a notebook running GNOME ...
13:41<fxiny>oh yes . i forgot your lucky day :P
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13:42<meandtheshell>from what I can tell so far its something related to gome-terminal
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14:06<vook>meandtheshell: make sure all files in your home directory are owned by you. (if .Xauthority and .ICEauthority are owned by root, you'll have problems in X) (sudo chown -R username:username /home/username)
14:07<xbj9000>anyone want to help me troubleshoot apm on my old thinkpad?
14:08<amphi>xbj9000: no useful info on thinkwiki?
14:08<kaushal>hello all
14:08<xbj9000>acpi=off helps but I notice a few errors during boot, and shutdown doesn't complete
14:08<xbj9000>well some info there but I haven't got it all figured out
14:08<xbj9000>some other distros have handled it fine, but of course I want debian :p
14:09<vook>xbj9000: what model?
14:10<xbj9000>with acpi on none of the functions really work right, and with it off I notice a few errors during boot up regarding failure to load various acpi components
14:10<xbj9000>but I don't understand those messages honestly
14:10<xbj9000>model 390E
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14:10<xbj9000>minimal install with x and fluxbox and a few small things added
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14:11<vook>have you looked at it's sometimes useful.
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14:11<xbj9000>one problem I have is the screen won't come back on after I put it into suspend with the function keys (although it will if I just close the laptop to put it into suspend)
14:11<xbj9000>I'll look there
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14:12<xbj9000>also is there something small I can add for fluxbox to give me a 'shutdown' menu?
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14:15<gsimmons>xbj9000: Regarding power-off on shutdown, you'd want to supply "acpi=off apm=power_off" to your kernel command line (see BTS bug #390547). You can ignore the ACPI messages as you're disabling use of this.
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14:18<xbj9000>you mean the command line in grub?
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14:42<operador>coll in boot of systen out domm
14:43<cool>yes ubuntu works on laptops
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14:43<operador>no ubunto no works on laptops
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14:44<operador>on suicide
14:45<cool>yes it do iam on it on my dell inspiron e1505 its a laptop
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14:46<cool>dell u can ask for it works or u can put it on
14:47<cool>it works on all laptops
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14:47<cool>the guy that needs his icon back on are u here
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14:48<xbj9000>still having trouble with shutdown
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14:48<xbj9000>acpi=off apm=power_off didn't help
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14:52<cool>the huy thit needs hos wifi icom backe ues ur mouse on the to bare r hit it hit add to panel
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14:53*amphi stares
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14:57<adsfsw>my debian/unstable system doesn't boot any longer since today.
14:57<xbj9000>oh the syntax was wrong, it's apm=power-off not ~_off
14:58*fxiny adds adsfsw to the list
14:58<adsfsw>after starting avahi, the boot process sleeps for several minutes, and then it hangs forever at starting pulseaudio
14:58<fxiny>this is new
14:58<adsfsw>i believe that it doesn't really hang at but rather after pulseaudio, before actually starting gdm/login
14:59<adsfsw>is anything regarding that known to be introduced by packages that came into unstable yesterday/today?
14:59<adsfsw>in general, is there any central place to find urgent issues in debian/unstable?
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15:00<liviu>Hy Guys!!!
15:00<liviu>Ububtu's the best!!!!
15:00<adsfsw>in the past, the topic of #debian-devel was usually very helpful, but it doesn't mention anything currently
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15:01*fxiny sends liviu two rotten tomatoes
15:01<amphi>liviu: ECHAN
15:01<fxiny>eggs will follow
15:02<amphi>dead dogs...
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15:08<liviu>Ubuntu+Beryl=The Ultimate CooL OS
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15:24<asid>Someone guide me to a site or maybe tell me what i need to do to get on the internet with my wireless network card through console?
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15:28<q335r49>can anyone help me with compiling ... rogue ... on a powerpc?
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15:30<q335r49>rogue ... i want to play it
15:30<q335r49>so badly
15:30<christoph>q335r49, and where is the problem right now?
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15:42<sander_m>Hello. Does anyone know how I can find out the FSB speed of a machine from within Linux? I've tried /proc/cpuinfo, lshw and google but I can't find it :-(
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15:44<newsense>google your motherbords model # sander_m
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15:45<sander_m>newsense: I don't suppose I an find that from within Linux either? Thing is, I want to buy a Dell T105 server but the spec page doesn't list the FSB speed. But, I do have access to a running T105 remotely :-) So, how to find this out?
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15:46<newsense>look on the motherboard for model
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15:46<newsense>or see if everest works in wine
15:46<newsense>windows app thatll tell you all about your hardware
15:47<qq_>hwinfo ?
15:47<newsense>that shows fsb speed ?
15:47<sander_m>qq_: Installing....
15:48<sander_m>newsense: A bit odd that there's Windows apps to do this, but no Linux apps :-)
15:48<newsense>not that i know of
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15:50<newsense>sander_m, as far as i can tell from google it uses an nvidia mobo
15:50<sander_m>Thanks newsense.
15:51<newsense>mcp55 model
15:51<mordy>wine is complaining about me not having the libnss32 is not installed on my system - yet i can't find it in the repositories - any help?
15:51<newsense>look that up and youll find fsb
15:51<aetheria>anyone have info on installing debian from usb key?
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15:52<newsense>sander_m, 1333MHz FSB possibly according to my research
15:53<sander_m>The real reason I'm trying to figure out the FSB speed is because i'm investigating how it ties into the CPU speed, memory speed, etcetera. Dell offers me 2x 1GB DDR2 RAM at 667 Mhz or 800 Mhz at the same price. I'm trying to figure out which is the best match :-)
15:53<mordy>qq_, which one do i choose/
15:53<qq_>mordy: adapt "stable" at your needs
15:54<qq_>mordy: do it by apt-get
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15:55<mordy>qq_, tried it - it can't find the package
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15:55<newsense>sander_m, should be the board that server uses
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15:56<sander_m>newsense: Wow, you came up with that really fast! I've been googling for hours with no result. Thanks!
15:57*mordy is about to break another LCD with his fist :|
15:57<amphi>mordy: smart move
15:57<mordy>lol amphi :)) ROTFL
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15:58<newsense>sander_m, np google is an art
15:58<mordy>just need to know the correct keywords
15:58<newsense>yep ;)
15:58<sander_m>newsense: I know. Usually I'm pretty good at it, but this had me stumped :-)
15:58<mordy>and know that google doesn't speak normal english
15:59<amphi>it doesn't speak with its fists? ;)
15:59<mordy>amphi :|
15:59<mordy>amphi, can you help me with getting wine to work? you've ripped at me twice - there's a price for that
15:59<mordy>well, wine works - it just crashes
15:59<amphi>happily, I know nothing of wine
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16:00<mordy>amphi - let's put it this way - how do i get skype to work? i downloaded the linux32 package
16:00<amphi>if you need to run windows stuff, why not run it under windows on an emulator (qemu, vbox)?
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16:00<amphi>I wot not of skype
16:01<mordy>amphi, ic an't stand it - but it's not my choice :|
16:01<qq_>mordy: just install skype from his site
16:02<mordy>qq_ there's no 64 version
16:02<qq_>use 32
16:03<qq_>maybe working on 64
16:03<qq_>but don't ask here help ...
16:03<mordy>qq_, that's my problem - it doesn't install. i did a bit of googling - but it was all too complicated for me - except for that linux32 thing
16:03<mordy>tells me architecture mismatch
16:03<qq_>use wget and dpkg -i
16:04<mordy>what's the -i?
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16:04<qq_>not tested, here only 32
16:04<qq_> -i == install
16:05<qq_>but don't ask here help ...
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16:05<qq_>with skype
16:06<mordy>qq_ yeah, that's why i asked about wine - besides, i'm more intent on learning how to work that than skype
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16:07<qq_>I don't use any wine , so a recommend to you too
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16:07<mordy>i use vodka
16:07<asid>Whats the command to turn on my wireless carD?
16:08<qq_>mordy: debian has more than 20.000 packages , learn to use that first
16:08<mordy>asid -- ifup <device>
16:09<mordy>i think
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16:10<ale>xdcc send #0001
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16:11<asid>sais unknown modulue
16:11<asid>ignoring unknown module
16:12<mordy>asid - maybe you don't have the drivers for the card you're using
16:12<asid>so i need to install the driver
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16:13<qq_>asid: usb stick ?
16:13<asid>linksys rt2500
16:13<mordy>gah, nothing works - apt-get install ntfs-3g - "Depends: libfuse2 (>=2.6) but 2.5.3-4.4 is to be installed"
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16:24<tritos>Ahoj nemate nekdo zkusenosti s 3D kartou od intelu, ktera nebezi v linuxech? :D
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16:27<qq_>tritos: english please
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16:34<qq_>no sorry
16:34<tritos>Its a pitty :-(
16:35<qq_>wich is you language ?
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16:37<tritos>All is running on Ram :D
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16:44<stevecotton>mordy - for skype, just download the static any-distro version (which is a tarball)
16:45<mordy>dpkg -i blah?
16:45<stevecotton>ah - 1.4.0 works and 2.0.0 (not static) doesn't
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16:46<mordy>i don't even know how to install a tarball :((
16:46<stevecotton>not dpkg, the tarball is unpacked with "tar xvjf skype......tar.bz2" (extract verbose bzip2 file)
16:47<razesdark>Hello, ive been inn here recently, trying to get help to solve my Audio problem. I cant configure my soundcard.
16:47<mordy>ok, once i extract it - what do i do then?
16:47<stevecotton>It's like a zip archive
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16:47<mordy>yeah, but the zip archives i'm accustomed to have a "install" or "setup" or some kind of executable
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16:47<stevecotton>run the skype executable that you've unpacked
16:48<mordy>how do i search apt-get/
16:48<stevecotton>bash_prompt$ skype-
16:48<mordy>brb.. nicotine
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16:49<stevecotton>I don't follow what you're wanting to do to apt-get
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16:49<stevecotton>skype needs the ia32 packages
16:49<mordy>it tells me i'm missing a library -
16:49<mordy>but brb
16:49<stevecotton>if you're on 64 bit, install ia32-libs
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16:54<gazso>is there anyone who has some experience with programming postscript?
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17:02<razesdark>Im having trouble getting my Sound to work. Get this message
17:03<razesdark>alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
17:03<razesdark>alsaconf cant find it.
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17:09<mordy>stevecotton - i have ia32 installed
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17:11<stevecotton>Vim question - is there a way to automatically set expandtab based on the what's already in the file being edited?
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17:12<stevecotton>mordy - I don't understand that, ia32 should have given you /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/
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17:12<mordy>hmm... i don't know if i have an emul directory
17:13<mordy>ahh.. i have it
17:13<Hideo>hey what makes the /srv directory in root
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17:14<mordy>stevecotton - it's not there
17:15<stevecotton>which flavour of Debian do you have?
17:15<mordy>i've got a few libX* - but no libXss
17:15<stevecotton>ah, I'm on unstable.
17:15<ao2>stevecotton, about Vim or but they don't work very well, AFAIR
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17:16<stevecotton>thanks ao2
17:17<mordy>stevecotton - i am seeing libXss installed - in my package manager - but NOT in that directory
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17:18<mordy>i've got it installed in /usr/lib/lib - would copying the file to ia32 do the trick? or is it something more complicated than that
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17:18<mordy>hehe, let me try - it can't hurt
17:18<Nemoder>mordy: don't do that
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17:19<Nemoder>mordy: on a 64bit system the libs in /usr/lib are all 64bit
17:19<mordy>Nemoder, then what does me do?
17:19<Nemoder>mordy: you might be able to download the 32bit library and extract the library to /emul/
17:20<mordy>but the 32 bit library doen't contain the file i need
17:20<stevecotton>it's the difficult way, but it's likely to work (grabbing the 32-bit libs manually)
17:20<mordy>nemoder - download the libraries for the i386 version?
17:20<Nemoder>mordy: yes, but don't install the .deb, instead open it in file-roller or something
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17:21<mordy>will it overwrite anything?
17:21<mordy>or should i do a version check or something
17:21<stevecotton>The .debs are again like zip files - you can manually get files out of them.
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17:22<mordy>hmm... let me download the deb first
17:22<Nemoder>mordy: extract the .so file as a user then you can be sure it won't, then move the file to the proper directory afterwards
17:22<stevecotton>dpkg-deb --extract archive directory
17:22<mordy>stevecotton - i'm always after the harder way >:)
17:22<stevecotton>or switch to the testing distro ;)
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17:23<mordy>stevecotton - my mind is already unstable - at least let my OS be stable :(
17:23<Nemoder>that lib isn't in lenny's ia32 libpackage either
17:23<stevecotton>thanks for the catch Nemoder
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17:23<mordy>i wish there was also some way to figure out why my http traffic is so slow
17:24<Nemoder> seems really slow for me today too
17:24<Nemoder>but other sites are fine
17:25<lsj4l5d>hey, i don't know what happened but my system seems fundamentally broken. i'm running up-to-date debian/unstable, and until yesterday everything worked as expected.
17:25<mordy>stevecotton - i assume it will override some existing files? is it safe? how do i tell if they're the same version? i gather the ia32 is a different package and hence a different versioning (sp?) system than the libXss
17:25<lsj4l5d>but now for some reason most files in /dev are not readable by world any longer, including /dev/null, /dev/(u)random, etc.
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17:26<lsj4l5d>that breaks many systems in boot process.
17:26<mordy>and to compare it to my x64 package wouldn't do, because maybe the x32 has a different versioning system aswell
17:26<path>guys I hope to not disturb but I'm looking forward getting a good python for begginers anybody knows a good one ?
17:26<path>an ebook </ot>
17:26<Nemoder>lsj4l5d: sounds like a configuration problem with udev
17:27<lsj4l5d>did anybody discover similar issues, /dev/null and /dev/urandom not being readable by world?
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17:27<stevecotton>mordy - dpkg-deb --extract will put the files in the directory you specify. Then copy the appropriate ones in to the /emul directory by hand, checking not to overwrite stuff.
17:28<Nemoder>mordy: you cannot install a 32bit deb file in a 64bit debian, but you can manually extract the files you need and put them in the /emul/ dir
17:28<mordy>yes - is there a way i can extract that will not overwrite?
17:28<Nemoder>mordy: just extract them to a local directory first
17:28<lsj4l5d>Nemoder: correct, but udev last was upgraded on July 11. and I already rebooted successfully since then.
17:29<stevecotton>dpkg-deb --extract archive directory << puts the files in the directory you choose
17:29<lsj4l5d>Nemoder: so at least it
17:29<lsj4l5d>'s not related to udev packaging issues directly
17:30<Nemoder>lsj4l5d: did you check bts for udev?
17:30<mordy>ok, extracted it
17:31<mordy>hmm... only one file :D
17:31<Nemoder>mordy: it probably created some subdirectories where you extracted it as well
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17:32<mordy>but the only thing there is the file i need, a link, and documentation
17:32<mordy>it's a tiny package - ha!
17:32<mordy>"tiny package"
17:33<Hideo>what makes the /srv directory in root?
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17:34<mordy>cp /home/mordy/32/usr/lib/* ./emul/.ia32-linux/usr/lib ? sound right?
17:35<Nemoder> /emul/ not ./emul/
17:35<mordy>nemoder, it's hidden for me
17:35<mordy>i needed to cd to ./emule to get it
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17:35<Nemoder> ./ isn't hidden, it means current directory
17:36<mordy>ahhh - i was running it from my user account
17:37<mordy>hehe, it works now
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17:38*stevecotton wonders if dpkg knew this all along
17:39<Nemoder>no skype is not open source
17:39<stevecotton>nor's Nvidia's stuff, but dpkg still knows about it
17:39<Hideo>dpkg is dead
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17:40<mordy>dpkg has a long thing on it - basically saying how it's not supported
17:40<mordy>i messaged mr pkg
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17:41<mordy>i'm used to windows - i don't know how the architecture of linux works. in windows you can seldom ever simply extract and copy files and have a working program - usually you need registry entries and blah
17:42<mordy>although most older programs didn't require that
17:43<mordy>but can extracting / copying files to a given directory ever have adverse effects?
17:43<Nemoder>of course
17:44<Nemoder>just have to be careful not to overwrite and not to have 2 copies of different versions in different directories
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17:44<mordy>does cp overwrite by default?
17:45<Nemoder>I believe so yes
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17:46<mordy>ROTFL @ KDE "Redmond Theme" - "Theme from the Northwest USA" ROTFL
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17:48<qq_>mordy: cp --help
17:48<mordy>qq_ at least it's not the man this time
17:50<qq_>try "--help" better , next time
17:50<mordy>what's a symbolic link? is it different than a regular link?
17:51<mordy>wow, dpkg isn't here :-o
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17:51<lsj4l5d>Nemoder: apparently it's a bug introduced by last device-mapper packages: #491107 and #491114
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17:53<newsense>a hardlink is a copy of a file a symlink points to specific file
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17:53<mordy>so every copy is essentially a hardlink
17:54<newsense>yeah i guess it would
17:54<mordy>does linux read links in lieu of actual files?
17:54<Lethalman>it's not a copy
17:55<Lethalman>a hardlink is a hardlink
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17:55<mordy>i'm asking because - for instance - the package i downloaded includes both the actual file and the link
17:55<newsense>but a hardlink is the same size a original file isnt it ?
17:55<Lethalman>newsense, but they are "linked"
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17:55<Hideo>qq_: do you know what makes the /srv directory in root, or do you have one? I have it on both of my machines
17:55<Lethalman>you can try yourself, i guess you never tried it
17:56<Nemoder>Hideo: I don't have one, try apt-file search /srv/
17:56<Hideo>Nemoder: I tried, it didn't give anything of relevance back
17:56<Hideo>Nemoder: I'm pretty sure my machines aren't compromised
17:56<newsense>dam not here
17:56<mordy>newsense, Dpkg Is Dead
17:57<Nemoder>mordy: you can probably find a better description of hardlinks vs symlinks with google
17:57<mordy>let me do that :->
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17:58<qq_>Hideo: never sow that in /root
17:58<newsense>i know hardlinks show same filesize as file linked to right ?
17:58<Hideo>qq_: no, in /
17:58<newsense>ill be happy if i kow thats true
17:58<Lethalman>newsense, yes, that doesn't mean it's a copy
17:58<Lethalman>it has the same inode
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17:58<newsense>ok maybe thats why i thought that
17:58<newsense>sorry and thanks for clearing that up
17:58<Lethalman>if you modify one you still modify the other, it's a link
17:59<Lethalman>though there're problems while linking to other file systems if i remember well
17:59<newsense>but if you read a hardlink your accessing the file in the dir the hardlink is in, right ?
17:59*Lethalman thinks it makes sense hardlinks can't be done through different file systems
18:00<Lethalman>newsense, you're accessing the same file
18:00<newsense>ill readup on it
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18:01<Hideo>qq_, Nemoder: ah I found it,
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18:02<mordy>according to wiki, a hardlink is a reference to a space within a physical disk in the file system. each link is independent of other links - whereas a softlink apparently links to one of those hard links
18:02<qq_>Hideo: ah , yes , it keep trace for things i.e cvs , and yes i have one
18:02<Hideo>qq_, Nemoder: it's odd that "man hier" doesn't say anything about it
18:02<dyfrgi>On my Debian testing system, I'm having trouble building nvidia-kernel-source on 2.6.25-2-amd64. Anyone know if there is a solution to this problem yet?
18:02<mordy>so now i have a question - what's a copy?
18:02<Nemoder>a new file with a new inode
18:02<Nemoder>with each byte of data coppied over
18:03<mordy>and what are the commands for making a hardlink and a copy? cp is copy?
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18:03<qq_>ln -s
18:03<qq_>ln -s src dest
18:03<mordy>if i modify a hardlink - does that effectively make it a new file?
18:03<Nemoder>ln file hardlink; ln -s file symlink; cp file newfile
18:04<Nemoder>no, it also changes the original since the inodes are the same
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18:05<qq_>Nemoder: thx for clearing this things
18:05<mordy>err... would it be correct to say that softlinks and hardlinks differ only in the way they reference the target? - the former referencing via a path, and the latter by an actual physical address?
18:05<mordy>hmm.. maybe i should read man heir
18:06<chealer>dyfrgi: which problem?
18:06<qq_>mordy: voila
18:06<dyfrgi>chealer: It fails to compile.
18:07<mordy>qq_ at my statement about hard/soft links? or about reading the man?
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18:07<dyfrgi>I run: m-a -l 2.6.25-2-amd64 a-i nvidia-kernel
18:07<qq_>mordy: the last one
18:08<dyfrgi>It's complaining about an implicit definition of global_flush_tlb in the build log.
18:08<mordy>qq_ :|
18:08<mordy>you've really got me cracking up
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18:08<qq_>mordy: next time is our tour to ask
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18:09<mordy>i don't mind if you ask - but i don't kow what to answer. i'm just a noob
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18:09<qq_>really ?
18:10<mordy>qq_, you've seen me answer questions once or twice, if i thought i knew what the question was. most things in here are still above my head
18:10<syntax>NetworkManager is driving me nuts
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18:11<qq_>mordy: ok, i'm kidding , but not really
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18:11<mordy>qq_, i'm not good at taking jokes. but part of my sense of humor is the fact that i take just about everything half-seriously
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18:12<qq_>mordy: i have seen that
18:12*dyfrgi meets with success thanks to
18:12<chealer>dyfrgi: which version of nvidia-kernel-source do you use?
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18:13<dyfrgi>169.09-1, specifically.
18:13<chealer>dyfrgi: that's outdated
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18:13<dyfrgi>Is 173 in testing now?
18:14<AzaTht>is it just me, or is packages.d.o semi-dead?
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18:14<Nemoder>AzaTht: seems to be very slow
18:14<chealer>dyfrgi: no. nvidia-kernel-source isn't in testing.
18:14<chealer>AzaTht: it's not just you
18:14<Nemoder>and dpkg bot died, somethin must be up
18:15<Nemoder>..or down
18:15<mordy>he died on a martyrdom mission
18:15<dyfrgi>Ah, so it isn't.
18:15<dyfrgi>I'm trying to keep my system mostly unstable-free, so I have unstable with pin-priority -10.
18:15<AzaTht>was trying to install munin, bug got errors on install
18:16<dyfrgi>Which doesn't *quite* do what I want wrt upgrading things in unstable that won't make it move any other versions up to unstable versions.
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18:17<mordy>man hier doesn't have much - hmmmm
18:17<mordy>how do i print a file?
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18:18<mordy>dpkg is dead
18:19<chealer>dyfrgi: I suggest replacing that with Default-Release and a bit more care. simply check when installing a new package directly whether it's available in testing, if you have any doubt.
18:19<syntax>ravenbird, tell mordy about cups
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18:20<mordy>ravenbird? :( what happened to dpkg? or is that his wife?
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18:20<syntax>it's dpkg's long, lost trailer park cousin
18:21<syntax>ravenbird, who's your daddy?
18:21<ravenbird>you are my daddy, syntax
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18:22<mordy>ravenbirg, who's your daddy?
18:22<mordy>ravenbird, who's your daddy?
18:22<ravenbird>you are my daddy, mordy
18:22<Hideo>2 daddies wow
18:22<mordy>syntax, i think we have a problem...
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18:23<syntax>I'm about 5 mins away from dpkg --purge networkmanager
18:24<Hideo>do it, networkmanage sucks anyway
18:24<Hideo>ifupdown rocks
18:24<syntax>stupid gui
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18:25<mordy>how do i print man pages?
18:25<Hideo>man man
18:25<weasel>syntax: what took you so long?
18:26<syntax>to remove it?
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18:26<weasel>to get to this state
18:26<syntax>oh lol
18:26<syntax>I haven't been booting in to Debian lately
18:26<mordy>man man doesn't give anything - :(
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18:27<lucas_>hey there...! where can i find usplash themes??? not in gnome look ive checked them all... :)
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18:28<mordy>is it possible?
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18:29<AzaTht>man man | lpr?
18:30<syntax>Stopping network events dispatcher: NetworkManagerDispatcher.
18:31<syntax>shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory
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18:31<syntax>screw it, network manager is gone
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18:32<syntax>it really should not be the default tool to manage networks in Debian
18:33<odine>dpkg down?
18:33<syntax>ravenbird, tell odine about death
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18:33<mordy>gah, how do i force this printer to print? i sent the print job while the printer was disconnected - it's connected now, but won't start :(
18:34<syntax>mordy: did the printer include a crank?
18:34<odine>so ravenbird is the new dpkg???? (been awhile since i been in here)
18:34<syntax>I have to put the crank on and wind it up some
18:34<syntax>odine: dpkg is down at the moment
18:34<odine>kk.. thanks :)
18:35<odine>just need a link for the b43 file that i need to copy into whatever directory that is to get my b43 broadcom based wifi card working....
18:35<syntax>ravenbird, b43
18:35<ravenbird>syntax: are you using Windows?
18:35<themill>[23:35] <dpkg> [b43] the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (, included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported. For a list of supported devices, see, Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver. See also <which b43>.
18:35<syntax>NetBSD otaku 2.1.0_STABLE NetBSD 2.1.0_STABLE (sdf) #0: Tue Sep 4 06:27:41 UTC 2007 root@ol:/var/src-2.1/arch/alpha/compile/sdf alpha
18:35<syntax>not quite
18:35<odine>thats what i needed thanks :)
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18:56<abrotman>schoni: go away
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18:56<tomaw>schoni: if you continue to spam irc with pennergame urls then I will ban your pennergame account and you will be banned from irc.
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18:58<syntax>shouldn't pptp-linux update resolv.conf upon connection?
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19:00<Guest1236>how do i access my filesystem to resize partitions, I'm booted up with sidux cd
19:00<witte>Guest1236: gparted if it is installed, but mind that this is a debian channel, not sidux
19:00<witte>installed = available on the cdrom
19:01<Guest1236>;) I have lenny amd64 installed. my root partition is 100%
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19:01<witte>Guest1236: did you empty your cache with apt-get autoclean
19:02<Guest1236>and only have 1 kernel installed
19:02<witte>Guest1236: did you uninstall unneeded kernels
19:02<witte>:-), so resizing it is :-)
19:02<Guest1236>don't know what else to do. or reinstall.
19:02<witte>you could also move a directory to an other partition
19:03<witte>for instance, /usr on an other partition, and mount that partition
19:03<witte>resizing could be a bit tricky
19:03<Guest1236>so create /usr say on the /home parrtition then move all over?
19:04<witte>can you post the output of "df -h" on a pastebin
19:04<Guest1236>isn't being mounted a problem?
19:04<witte>Guest1236: not really
19:04<witte>rather moving /usr on a new partition
19:04<Guest1236>witte: yea let me roboot to my system. ;) (bighornram)
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19:05<witte>you could work with links as well, but that is not too good
19:06<syntax>how do people manage their wireless networks in Debian (without Network Mangler, er, Network Manager)
19:06<themill>syntax: I use networkmanager it works flawlessly with most/many chipsets
19:07<syntax>themill: I asked without Network Mangler
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19:08<witte>bighornram: what causes your system to be full? just too many packages installed?
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19:08<witte>bighornram: tried deborphan already btw?
19:08<themill>syntax: I know. But looking through the lastlog I can't see you actually describing your problem so that anyone can help you... just complaints about nm.
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19:09<syntax>it's not a problem anymore since I dpkg --purged it
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19:09<themill>syntax: man 7 wireless
19:09<obmij>How do I install mplayer?
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19:09<obmij>by aptitude
19:09<witte>!tell obmij about dmm
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19:09<abrotman>obmij: which version of debian ?
19:09<syntax>themill: thanks
19:09<obmij>I didn't recieve any pms
19:09<bighornram>duno this happened before also. don't know of deborphan. i am suspecting it has something to do with amd64?? 32 and 64 bit libs?
19:10<abrotman>obmij: it's already in lenny
19:10<themill>witte: no dpkg today
19:10<obmij>I tried
19:10<witte>ravenbird: dmm
19:10<ravenbird>witte: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
19:10<obmij>doesn't show up
19:10<abrotman>obmij: do you have testing security sources?
19:10<abrotman>or lenny security sources
19:10<obmij>don't think so
19:10<obmij>I have only one line in my sources.list
19:10<abrotman>obmij: deb lenny/updates main contrib non-free
19:11<witte>the bot is on a holiday it seems (btw multimedia is only needed for the codecs etc)
19:11<abrotman>why? it's already in lenny
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19:12<obmij>aptitude update and aptitude upgrade?
19:12<abrotman>aptitude update and aptitude install mplayer
19:12<witte>bighornram: you can check with "du --max-depth=1 -h" which directories are the largest ones
19:13<abrotman>though an upgrade might be wanted .. since you probably have a few packages out of date
19:13<obmij>hmm a whole lot it seems
19:13<witte>bighornram: ah, you have only 256 MB /
19:14<witte>bighornram: or about that much
19:14<obmij>would upgrade bring in mplayer?
19:14<abrotman>no .. you'll have to install it
19:14<bighornram>yea and that is what the default when i let setup partition the drive.
19:14<obmij>or dist-upgrade
19:14<witte>bighornram: and /usr is already on a separate partition so that would not owrk
19:15<witte>bighornram: do you have things installed in /opt or so?
19:16<bighornram>i have nothing in /opt
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19:17<witte>bighornram: can you paste the output of "du --max-depth=1 -h /" in a pastegin
19:17<bighornram>looks to me ideally I should shrink /home and grow / with the space
19:17<bighornram>witte: sure
19:17<obmij>so, evolution-common is part of the security updates :D
19:18<witte>bighornram: yeah, that is something you could do, that mapper stuff in your pastebin, is that lvm? (never used it)
19:18<witte>bighornram: because lvm should be easy to resize (but never used it)
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19:19<witte>otherwise, if you have to move stuff (when /home is not on the partition directly after /), that could be troublesome (i don't like resizing of partitions)
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19:22<witte>bighornram: you were right, it is the 32 and 64 bits libs that are the problem
19:22<bighornram>I have suspected that.
19:23<obmij>anyone know where I can get cool themes for gnome?
19:23<bighornram>question is if I can fix it without a complete reinstall (creating a bigger / of course)
19:23<obmij>tired of clearlooks
19:23<witte>bighornram: do you have lvm?
19:24<witte>bighornram: it should be easy to resize those partitions in that case
19:25<bighornram>which i think was part of my problem booted to sidux cd. there are not actual folders to resize.
19:25<bighornram>that i could see
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19:26<witte>bighornram: i never tried lvm, but maybe this could help:
19:26<bighornram>;) thanks checking it out.
19:27<witte>11.9 and 11.10 should be the things you need
19:28<witte>could be that you need a live cd to do the things you want (because you want to resize /), but check if that cd has lvm on it, otherwise, it wont help you
19:29<witte>bighornram: grml has lvm (, but check the faq (
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19:34<obmij>oddly enouf seems to me to sounds like enoof
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19:34<obmij>eventhough only 'gh' is replaced by 'f' :P
19:35<syntax>Otter: can anyone load this page?
19:35<syntax>er, that was supposed to be OT, not Otter
19:35<enouf>obmij: ...
19:35<obmij>Hello enewf :)
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19:35<debacle>Hi all, i'm on debian lenny with kernel 2.6.24 amd_64. How can i know max memory supported by this kernel ?
19:35<abrotman>it's 64GB
19:36<debacle>abrotman: thanks
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19:37<debacle>i've installed 8 Gb but top recognize ONLY 6GB. How this can be ?
19:37<qq>uname -r
19:37<Txt_file>in the past there was a high-memory-option
19:38<obmij>does aptitude install mplayer bring me a lot of codecs?
19:38<debacle>this is from "top" window Mem: 6100436k total, 5795588k used, 304848k free, 281980k buffers
19:39<dpalacio>debacle: shared video memory?
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19:39<debacle>absolutely not ! it's a GeForce 7300
19:39<superlinux>hi guys
19:40<superlinux>how cani change my locale?
19:40<obmij>do you guys also have gmplayer in the repos/
19:40<superlinux>dpkg-reconfigure which pkg?
19:41<abrotman>dpkg-reconfigure locales
19:41<superlinux>ok thanks
19:41<dpalacio>obmj: it is included in mplayer package
19:41<obmij>really? awesome
19:41<stevecotton>debacle - how much RAM does your motherboard support?
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19:42<debacle>32 or 16 GB i think ... if i boot into other OSes i saw all my memory !!!!
19:43<qq> cat /boot/config-2.6.24-1-amd64 |grep CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G
19:43<obmij>err mplayer creashed with signal 11
19:43<obmij>and it also said it could not connect to socket, unknown file or directory
19:44<debacle>qq: no output !
19:44<debacle>qq: :-(
19:44<qq># CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set
19:44<debacle>qq: how this can be ? it's the debian official linux kernel !!!
19:45<Txt_file>most time no output means no failure
19:45<debacle>even if from lenny
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19:46<qq>debacle: here , but try to your kernel
19:46<qq>at least you need to have my output
19:46<debacle>qq: sorry ???
19:47<abrotman>debacle: uname -r .. what does it say ?
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19:47<debacle> uname -r
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19:48<abrotman>debacle: grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r)
19:48<debacle>grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) returns no output !
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19:49<Txt_file>debacle: how long you are using linux?
19:49<abrotman>debacle: cat /proc/version
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19:50<abrotman>whichever version of debian you're on .. your kernel is out of date .. lenny and sid both have .25
19:50<Txt_file>but etch?
19:50<debacle>Txt_file: i'm in linux from about a hear but i've used bsd until 1999
19:50<abrotman>Txt_file: etch doesn't officially have a .24
19:50<debacle> cat /proc/version
19:50<debacle>Linux version 2.6.24-1-amd64 (Debian 2.6.24-5) ( (gcc version 4.1.3 20080308 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-21)) #1 SMP Thu Mar 27 16:52:38 UTC 2008
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19:51<debacle>here is the config file fro my hernel
19:51<qq> cat /etc/debian_version
19:51<debacle> cat /etc/debian_version
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19:52<debacle>cat /proc/meminfo
19:52<debacle>MemTotal: 6100436 kB
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19:52<qq>so install the last kernel .25
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19:53<abrotman>oh crap .. i forgot .. the -amd64 doesn't have the HIGHMEM options
19:54<obmij>any of you guys on freenode btw?
19:54<newsense>yes sir
19:54<obmij>did they kline rogers earlier?
19:54<obmij>I was asleep
19:54<abrotman>obmij: kline ? all of it?
19:54<newsense>wasnt around
19:55<obmij>otherwise, I don't think they would just kline my IP
19:55<debacle>qq: i cant at the moment there are some modules i need to rebuild for .25
19:56<obmij>can someone over there, ask them? it'd be greatly appreciated, I've emailed them as well
19:56<superlinux>well on the console when i type arabic the characters are not well rendered.
19:56<abrotman>obmij: yes you're banned
19:56<superlinux>so i want them go wtten right. how?
19:57<obmij>the whole subnet?
19:57<abrotman>obmij: just you
19:58<pucallpa>some repository lenny/sid please??
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20:00<qq>debacle: .26 is out , so better go/wait for it
20:01<Txt_file>.26 is since few days out
20:01<abrotman>if he's on lenny .. could be awhile
20:01<Txt_file>is not in lenny
20:02<pucallpa>tnks abrotman
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20:03<abrotman>Txt_file: it's not in sid either
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20:05<Txt_file>abrotman: I have only sid and there is only the .25
20:05<abrotman>yes .. i know
20:05<Txt_file>and my self-compiled 26 has any problem
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20:06<qq>Linus Torvalds Subject Linux 2.6.26 >>>
20:06<debacle>can anyone insult me please ???
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20:07*gass_ debacle is a bitch
20:07<debacle>lshw fixed the problem !!!! on the machine are installed 6GB of RAM not 8GB !!!
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20:08<abrotman>but the other OS sees 8GB?
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20:08<abrotman>debacle: what does the BIOS count to ?
20:08<debacle>my co-admin has got 2x 1GB BANKS !!!
20:08<gass_>abrotman, maybe debacle was counting 8Gb in his mind
20:08<debacle>there is no BIOS but EFI
20:09<debacle>please insult me !! i'm feeeeling too stupid !!!
20:09<debacle>boys thank you all anyway ! and excuse me !!!
20:10<Txt_file>no problem
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20:10<stevecotton>debacle is two cans short of an eight-pack
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20:11<stevecotton>nn, and thanks for the giggle
20:11<abrotman>does that mean EFI doesn't do a RAM check at all?
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20:12<Txt_file>abrotman: efi is from apple and you can use your mouse for setting up the cpu-voltage
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20:12<abrotman>didn't answer the question
20:12<Txt_file>what you think ... has it one or has I none
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20:13<qq>debacle: maybe you should never un_thrust linus kernels ?!!
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20:14<debacle>qq: you 're right !!!
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20:15<obmij>anyone played around with Eclipse and CDT?
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20:16<alpha4466>why so many dvd images?
20:16<Txt_file>abrotman ... I don't find any info about a efi ramcheck ... I think efi has none
20:16<chealer_>alpha4466: because so many packages
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20:16<alpha4466>yeah but DVDs? cds, okay....
20:16<alpha4466>i stop at disc 6.
20:17<qq>alpha4466: maybe because debian has more than 20.000 packages ?
20:17<chealer>alpha4466: the number of DVD-s and CD-s is proportional
20:17<alpha4466>god, why?
20:17<alpha4466>not helping.
20:17<qq>way not ?
20:17<alpha4466>do u reeely need all those packages?
20:18<qq>all we need that !
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20:18<alpha4466> /msg dpkg no public key
20:18<alpha4466>for wine...
20:20<qq>just used wine
20:20<superlinux>my arabic font is rendered well in the real console, how can i fix it?
20:20<alpha4466>how do you get the key for the server? knoppix doesnt have it.
20:20<superlinux>my arabic font is not rendered well in the real console, how can i fix it?
20:21<abrotman>alpha4466: most people install with the netinst .. a 150MB image .. it's quite a bit easier than downloading full CDs/DVDs
20:21<alpha4466>takes about four hours on a decent connection.....
20:21<qq>superlinux: stop double/multiple paste
20:21<alpha4466>maybe faster on this one, that was from tokyo.
20:21<superlinux>qq i was fixing my question. sorry
20:21<alpha4466>he missed a not.
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20:22<superlinux>.. is't cos of the font selection?
20:23<alpha4466>might be.
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20:24<qq>superlinux: apt-get install fonts*
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20:24<superlinux>ok bro
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20:25<qq>superlinux: apt-cache search fonts
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20:26<alpha4466>well it takes about 2 hours to grab a dvd, anoth 45 to install(therebouts).
20:26<alpha4466>so about even either way.
20:26<qq>superlinux: and chose what you needs
20:27<alpha4466>realy dont see the point in grabbing everything, you have to update anyway.
20:27<alpha4466>anyone have SPEEED issues?
20:27<qq>alpha4466: why not try the floppy for installing ?
20:28<newsense>used to have speed isues, clean now
20:28<alpha4466>heh...funny.netinst takes forever.
20:28<qq> floppies*
20:28<alpha4466>i meant knoppix runs like its on crack or something, last i used debbie it was a little slow.
20:28<alpha4466>you use those?
20:29<qq>if needed
20:29<alpha4466>ROFL.why? cds are so commin nowadays.
20:29*newsense hasnt used floppy install since about 95
20:29<alpha4466> point.
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20:30*newsense remembers the frustration of using old floppies and gettig to like floppy 7 and it being corrupted image
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20:30<alpha4466>stopped shortly after 2000 booted the 'el taco' cd's.
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20:30<alpha4466>went usb after.
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20:31<alpha4466>disk 7 of 50? os/2.....
20:31<newsense>yeah weve advanced a lot since than
20:32<alpha4466>remember having to zip span on about 13 disks and reformat just to do it over and over because a burner wouldnt work.those were the days....
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20:32<alpha4466>now you just lose the FAT are yure toast.
20:32<newsense>im happy with what i got now and im still not on the cutting edge ;)
20:33<alpha4466>neither am i, but wine doesnt wanna work right.switching back to debbie sid.
20:33<alpha4466>though i do love this 'steroids' speed freek of a distro.
20:34<newsense>we all love it
20:35<alpha4466>i meant knoppix.
20:35<newsense>havent tried it
20:35<alpha4466>FAST as well........just FAST.
20:35<alpha4466>based off sid i think.
20:36<alpha4466>i think i boot in under 30 seconds.
20:36<qq>alpha4466: please join #debian-offtopic for all that OT things
20:37<alpha4466>i WAS hopeing the main tree would be just as fast......i guess too many peeps are listening...
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20:38<obmij>I can't find tzconfig
20:39<qq>use tzselect
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20:43<syntax>I used dselect and now I'm stuck in dependency hell. how do I fix it?
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20:44<qq>syntax: what errors
20:44<syntax>hehe, I'm kidding :-)
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20:46<qq> dselect is rock , never had trouble with in 8 years
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20:46<syntax>haha, do you really still use it?
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20:46<qq>if needed
20:46<abrotman>i was so much happier when i realized i didn't have to use it
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20:46<abrotman>(this was a very long time ago)
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20:47<syntax>it seems that dselect likes to select extra packages for you
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20:47<syntax>base install, run it but not select anything, try to exit and it thought I had selected some stuff
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20:49<qq>you have for sure missing something for his point of view
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20:53<obmij>I can't find the right tzselect for Toronto
20:53<obmij>all the times I get are bogus
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20:54<obmij>anyone here from Toronto?
20:54<abrotman>pretty sure you're Eastern
20:55<obmij>yeah tried it
20:55<obmij>I tried Ontario Most Locations
20:55<abrotman>then you did something else wrong
20:55<obmij>it gives me 19
20:55<obmij>ok... I once heard about something , UTC
20:55<obmij>maybe that's where I went wrong
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21:01<obmij>I made UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS
21:01<obmij>still gives bogus time
21:02<qq>maybe need a reboot ?
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21:06<syntax>date should report current date/time without the need to reboot
21:06<abrotman>maybe check theBIOS time
21:07<syntax>I just modified my timezone info and got immediate results in gnome
21:08<syntax>well, not immediate but it updated in about 15 seconds
21:08<obmij>let me logout
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21:08<syntax>just type... uugh
21:09<xbj9000>I use acpi=off apm=power_off now, and it looks like some acpi stuff still tries to load during boot.. no noticable problems, but can I fix that and get a faster bootup?
21:10<xbj9000>it just gives process not found type errors
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21:11<obmij>When I login from root time is ok now
21:11<obmij>also in gnome time is fine
21:11<obmij>but if I login from a terminal with my user
21:11<obmij>the time is wrong
21:11<syntax>xbj9000: you should be able to see those errors by typingn dmesg | less or analyzing your /var/log/syslog
21:11<obmij>I also made .profiles for both root and I
21:12<syntax>obmij: open a terminal and type "date"
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21:12<syntax>or just type: /exec -o date
21:12<syntax>in IRC
21:12<obmij>Wed Jul 16 21:12:43 EDT 2008
21:12<obmij>that's right
21:12<syntax>ok, so where is it wrong?
21:13<xbj9000>hmm I don't seem to have the less function
21:13<obmij>ctrl+alt+f1, login as my user, date, that's wrong
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21:13<syntax>you doing that and what I just had you do are the same thing
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21:13<obmij>yeah... but ... oddly
21:13<obmij>it's wrong ... =|
21:13<syntax>try again
21:13<obmij>just did
21:14<syntax>ctrl-alt-f1, login with your user account, type date
21:14<obmij>yeah, I'm trying it over and over
21:14<obmij>it gives me 22:44
21:15<syntax>so it's an hour off?
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21:15<obmij>ok... let me restart
21:15<obmij>it won't matter, it's not a server :P
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21:15<syntax>but when you're in X and you're logged in as yourself, open a terminal and type date, it's correct?
21:16<abrotman>check the BIOS time with hwclock
21:17<xbj9000>syntax I have some stuff to look here, but really I don't know what to do with it
21:17<xbj9000>look at, I mean
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21:17<syntax>xbj9000: you said you had errors during boot about some programs not being found, correct?
21:18<xbj9000>well it appears to try to do some acpi functions after I have turned off acpi
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21:18<xbj9000>and so it just says files not found, in regard to temperature, processor, fan, and a few others
21:18<syntax>xbj9000: you should be able to find that stuff in the logs. try using / to search the logs, like /lookforthis
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21:19<obmij>same ol' problem
21:20<obmij>maybe I should remove .profile
21:20<xbj9000>ok it looks like syslog shows the modules that are trying to run, acpi_cpufreq for example
21:20<syntax>rename it first, if you feel it's a problem
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21:20<xbj9000>should I just blacklist them?
21:21<syntax>xbj9000: ok, those are normally is /etc/modules
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21:21<xbj9000>I did that to one of them but it still slowed down to tell me it was blacklisted
21:21<obmij>gah still the same thing
21:21<syntax>i'm not sure what you mean by blacklisting them. you can either add or remove them from /etc/modules
21:22<syntax>whatever is in /etc/modules will be loaded at boot
21:22<xbj9000>ah ok
21:22<syntax>obmij: /exec -o echo $TZ
21:22<xbj9000>odd since I removed acpi with orphaner
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21:23<syntax>obmij: unset that
21:23<syntax>export TZ=""
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21:23<xbj9000>syntax my etc/modules only lists two things, loop and apm power_off=1
21:24<xbj9000>and I added that second one myself earlier
21:24<syntax>yeah, my $TZ is undefined and I have the correct date/time on my box
21:24<obmij>err syntax
21:24<istoc>Hi, I did a aptitude safe-upgrade and dkpg gave me a new config file for dnsmasq. I restored the old one but all I can get is a dhcp lease but no DNS. Is there something obvious I'm missing?
21:24<obmij>my $TZ was empty if I logged in from my user on terminal
21:24<obmij>.profile maybe not working
21:26<obmij>seems like .profile isn't even looked at
21:26<syntax>my $TZ is undefined all around
21:26<obmij>do you know why .profile is being ignored?
21:26<syntax>I doubt it is
21:26<obmij>I swear echo $TZ gives nothing
21:26<syntax>add this to it: eval $(lesspipe)
21:27<syntax>then login to a new VT, go under /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples and try to use less on a .gz of .bz2 file
21:28<syntax>if it doesn't complain about it being a binary file, then it did process your .profile
21:28<syntax>xbj9000: I see what you mean by blacklisting now... for hibernating?
21:29<syntax>or suspending
21:29<obmij>command ... not, found?
21:29<xbj9000>well I got suspend working by adding acpi=off apm=power_off to my grub boot line
21:29<obmij>it can't find less
21:30<syntax>apt-get install less
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21:30<xbj9000>and that addition to the modules file..
21:30<syntax>xbj9000: sorry, I don't know anything about grub
21:30<xbj9000>well I just mean I added it to the boot options
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21:31<xbj9000>would have been the same for lilo
21:32<syntax>xbj9000: we really need to know which modules are causing errors so we can find out how to solve it
21:32<obmij>it less'd without any errors
21:32<xbj9000>ok, well piix4_smbus is one of them
21:33<asid>after i set up iwconfig for my wireless card does anyone know what i would do to make it get the dhcp address?
21:33<asid>or to make it connect to the internet
21:33<xbj9000>it says it refuses to load due to me having an IBM machine, and I would rather it didn't even try to load
21:33<xbj9000>blacklisting changed nothing
21:33<xbj9000>yes asid!
21:33<istoc>asid, dhclient [interface]
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21:33<xbj9000>I am happy to tell you since it took me forever to find an answer, asid
21:34<xbj9000>first do iwlist scan, then dhclient
21:34<syntax>asid: ifup it?
21:34<obmij>hmm if I remove that line, I can still less .gz files if I relogin
21:34<syntax>xbj9000: cd /etc ; grep -r piix4_smbus *
21:34<obmij>maybe an echo would be more informative? :P
21:34<xbj9000>ifconfig interfacename up will bring it up if you have to do that before it will scan
21:35<syntax>obmij: that's odd, it's not the default behaviour of Debian to allow that
21:35<syntax>obmij: why do I have a sneaking feeling you're using ubuntu?
21:35<obmij>I'm on lenny
21:36<obmij>lol Ubuntu, I hate those guys
21:36<xbj9000>syntax all that did is change my surrent directory
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21:36<syntax>bah, it is default behaviour now. it's in /etc/profile
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21:36<syntax>xbj9000: so you're in /etc now?
21:37<syntax>xbj9000: are you root?
21:37<obmij>ok I added echo dsufhbskfhb to .profile in ~
21:37<obmij>I didn't see anything except the disclaimer
21:37<xbj9000>well installing 'less' real quick actually
21:37<syntax>obmij: that's the command to wipe your system clean
21:37<xbj9000>yes I'm root
21:37<witte>obmij: did you try "dpkg-reconfigure tzconfig"
21:37<obmij>syntax :)
21:37<syntax>xbj9000: grep -r piix4_smbus *
21:37<obmij>witte, hmm I'm using tzselect
21:37<obmij>does it affect?
21:38<obmij>syntax, but seriously... do 'echo' lines show up if in profile?
21:38<witte>obmij: don't know, the former did not work, just try it ;-)
21:38<xbj9000>syntax I got no results
21:38-!-noflash [noflash@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:cda7:61ee] has joined #debian
21:38<xbj9000>just a new prompt
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21:39<obmij>witte, everything's fine actually
21:39<obmij>except that... date is wrong for my user
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21:39<obmij>maybe I should just change that for /etc/profile
21:39<asid>i get a no dhcp offer error
21:40<witte>obmij: why in hell would you change the profile things
21:40<abrotman>obmij: did you check your hardware clock yet?
21:40<obmij>gee I swear dude .profile for my user is not being processed
21:40<xbj9000>asid did you run iwlist scan?
21:40<syntax>don't touch /etc/profile unless it's a global config you want every user to have
21:40<abrotman>obmij: your profile is not the place to fix your time
21:40<syntax>obmij: /exec -o echo $SHELL
21:40<obmij>well it's my laptop, me and my laptop :P
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21:40<witte>obmij: unless you did something stupid with it, they are not involved
21:40<asid>yeah that comes up with a bunch of wireless networks
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21:40<asid>cell 1 - 4
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21:41<witte>obmij: is it only one user or any user that has a wrong time
21:41<syntax>obmij: /exec -o ls -l $HOME/.profile
21:41<obmij>well there's root, and my user :)
21:41<syntax>make that ls -la
21:41<obmij>-rw-r--r-- 1 baktash baktash 43 2008-07-16 21:35 /home/baktash/.profile
21:41<witte>obmij: and are the both affected?
21:41<xbj9000>ok asid, now do iwconfig wlan0 essid ##:##:##:##:##, where wlan0 is your interface, and the number is the essid listed in your scan result
21:41<obmij>witte, nope
21:41<obmij>.profile for baktash is not being processed
21:41<abrotman>obmij: what does 'hwclock --info' show ?
21:41<obmij>root is fine
21:41<xbj9000>sorry asid I messed that up
21:42<obmij>command not found
21:42<abrotman>as root
21:42<syntax>obmij: rename it to .bash_profile
21:42<xbj9000>should me a name for the essid not a number
21:42<obmij>syntax ok
21:42<abrotman>this isn't going to help
21:42<Am3Lurker>hi all
21:42<obmij>11:12:22 EDT
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21:42<obmij>well yeah that is wrong ...
21:42<syntax>abrotman: he has an issue with his profile not being processed too
21:42<asid>then i type in the key right?
21:43<xbj9000>asid, after you assign the essid run dhclient again and it should connect
21:43<abrotman>fix one problem at a time
21:43<abrotman>obmij: fix your BIOS first
21:43<Am3Lurker>how are you, people?
21:43<xbj9000>you can also assign a lot of other options yes, I just don't need to on mine
21:43<xbj9000>asid iwconfig --help will list all that for you
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21:44<obmij>syntax, that was right!
21:44<obmij>needed bash_profile
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21:44<Am3Lurker>is there anybody from rus?
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21:44<asid>its doing dhcpd discover on ra0 to 255.255.255
21:44<asid>its not sending it to the network just this 255 bs
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21:45<obmij>I'll fix bios when I boot up again
21:45<xbj9000>ok.. first do ifconfig ra0 up
21:45<obmij>thanks all
21:45<xbj9000>then iwlist scan
21:45<syntax>obmij: so everything is working now? time is correct?
21:45<xbj9000>then iwconfig ra0 essid Network_Name etc...
21:45<obmij>yeah and .bash_profile is being processed
21:45<xbj9000>then dhclient ra0
21:45<obmij>everytime I login
21:45<obmij>the echo showed
21:46<syntax>odd, though, because it should look for and process ~/.profile as well
21:46<obmij>Now moving on to the .... harder topic... wireless :)
21:46<syntax>man 7 wireless
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21:46<syntax>read that and you'll know more about it than I do
21:46<asid>ok done
21:46<obmij>I have wireless experience from Gentoo
21:46<xbj9000>did it work asid?
21:46<obmij>hopefully I'll get my head around it here
21:47<asid>doin the same thing
21:47<xbj9000>I dunno my wifi card was picky
21:47<obmij>well for starters.. I found my wireless adaper
21:47<asid>only doing it on my wireless interface this time instead of my ethernet ones
21:47<obmij>in ifconfig
21:48<xbj9000>every now and then I have to disconnect/reconnect my wifi card :p
21:48<xbj9000>you'll get it after some playing around asid
21:48<obmij>do you guys use wpa_supplicant?
21:48<xbj9000>no I haven't
21:48<asid>uhg!, thx for the help
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21:49<xbj9000>sorry it's not working
21:49<xbj9000>does it appear to be recognized proper when you do iwconfig?
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21:50<xbj9000>syntax, when I did grep -r piix4_smbus * nothing appeared to happen..
21:50<asid>yeah it shows my essid and the passcode and it looks like its connected its just not connecting
21:51<syntax>xbj9000: perhaps the scripts under /etc/apci are trying to do something
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21:52<xbj9000>well can I stop them from running? it's not like acpi is enabled or even installed anymore in fact
21:53<Am3Lurker>sorry, i need help in configure xorg for multiseat... is there men who know how can do that?
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21:54<SharkMa-san>and that is... ?
21:54<syntax>xbj9000: dpkg --purge acpi-support
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21:54<Am3Lurker>many monitor and inpute device in one komp
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21:55<abrotman>Am3Lurker: i'm pretyy sure google has docs on this
21:55<SharkMa-san>it won't be possible with normal xorg, from what I've heard
21:56<syntax>why not?
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21:56<SharkMa-san>since multiple input devices isn't implemented in it yet
21:56<syntax>Xorg is a fork from X11R6 which has had that support for quite some time
21:57<obmij>what is knemo?
21:57<xbj9000>ok syntax, that did something but it also said var/lib/acpi-support not empty so not removed
21:57<Am3Lurker>is there men from Russia?
21:57<xbj9000>is that ok?
21:57<syntax>xbj9000: should be ok
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21:58<obmij>alright is iwconfig supposed to be there by default?
21:58<obmij>I can't find it
21:58<xbj9000>ok gonna reboot then and see if it's any better
21:58<xbj9000>obmij you have to be root I think
21:58<obmij>I am
21:58<syntax>Am3Lurker: I got that from the top link doing a google search for Xorg multihead
21:58<syntax>Am3Lurker: please try google sometime. it's your friend
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21:59<Am3Lurker>THX syntax :)
21:59<xbj9000>obmij I think I had it by default, it might me in wireless-tools package
21:59<xbj9000>anyway rebooting
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22:00<syntax>if xbj9000 doesn't return, I did his box in good :-)
22:00<obmij>ok awesome
22:00<obmij>as in you messed it up pretty bad ? :P
22:03<obmij>ok... I can see wlan0_rename
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22:03<obmij>and eth1 (which was the right one for gentoo)
22:04<obmij>but I can't ifup either... operating not supported
22:04<syntax>where are NIS netgroups defined?
22:04<obmij>no idea
22:05<obmij>ahh dmesg gave me hint
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22:09<xbj9000>hi syntax, no change
22:10<syntax>xbj9000: dpkg -l \*acpi\*
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22:12<xbj9000>ok syntax, what am I looking at here?
22:13<syntax>look for packages that are installed and remove them
22:14<xbj9000>acpi, acpi-support, acpi-support-b, acpid
22:14<obmij>where is the standard place in Debian where firmware is installed?
22:14<syntax>dpkg --purge them
22:14<xbj9000>what are pn and ii abbreviations?
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22:15<xbj9000>I thought I had already removed acpi and acpi-support :/
22:15<syntax>xbj9000: follow those clums to the top and see the legend up top
22:16<syntax>first column tells you the desire: Unknown, Install, Remove, Purge, Hold. the second column tells you the status
22:16<syntax>pn is purged and not installed
22:17<syntax>ii is install and installed
22:17<xbj9000>ok got it
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22:20<obmij>err what the hell
22:20<xbj9000>syntax it told me ignoring request to remove acpi-support-b because it isn't installed
22:20<obmij>ndiswrapper is installed ... but the module isn't
22:20<xbj9000>but it is, apparently
22:21<syntax>xbj9000: that name is truncated. it's actually acpi-support-base
22:21<syntax>the packages are: acpi acpi-support acpi-support-base acpid
22:22<xbj9000>oh that makes sense
22:22<qq>syntax: nis >>> /etc/netgroup and /var/yp
22:23<obmij>I didn't know you guys had module-assistant
22:23<obmij>what's that ... ? :P
22:23<syntax>qq: that's what I thought, but I'm on the NIS master and there isn't a /etc/netgroup
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22:24<xbj9000>ok still said some directories not removed
22:24<xbj9000>I'll reboot again
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22:26<qq>syntax: dpkg -x nis_bleblah.deb
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22:27<syntax>qq: unfortunately, it's not a debian box I'm managing NIS on
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22:28<syntax>I'm afraid I'm gonna have to bust out my old o'reilly NIS book
22:28<syntax>feeling like a noob, lol
22:29<qq>so add that /etc/netgroup
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22:29<syntax>this is an existing NIS domain. I don't wanna go cowboy on it
22:30<qq>nothing in /var/yp/
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22:30<syntax>tons of stuff but nothing with the word netgroup in it
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22:32<qq>cat /etc/nsswitch.conf | netgroup: nis
22:32<syntax>sweet, I got the book on me
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22:32<syntax>qq: yeah, I have that in my /etc/nsswitch.conf as well but it doesn't tell me where the file is
22:33<qq>[04:29:03] <qq> so add that /etc/netgroup
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22:34<xbj9000>still no change, syntac
22:34<syntax>there are existing netgroups as I see them defined in the subversion access control file. I need to find where they currently reside rather than making my own
22:35<obmij>ok I've got an interface wlan0_rename
22:35<obmij>and it's apparently for my network card
22:35<obmij>but it aint working
22:35<xbj9000>ifconfig wlan0_rename up
22:35<xbj9000>iwlist scan
22:36<obmij>hold up hold up
22:37<obmij>No scan results?
22:37<obmij>non sense this place is full of APs
22:37<qq>syntax: netgroups by-name , by-blablah, ... are in /var/yp/
22:38<syntax>well, shit. O'Reilly - Managing NFS and NIS 2nd Edition says that it's /etc/netgroup as well
22:38*syntax is going to be bald soon.
22:38*qq too ...
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22:39<syntax>I'm about to just add the single user to the subversion repository rather than trying to figure out netgroups now
22:39<obmij>I keep getting no scan results
22:40<xbj9000>and the interface is up ok?
22:40<obmij>ahhh bingo!
22:40<obmij>woohoo up and runnin
22:40<obmij>let me get in here from wireless
22:40<xbj9000>took me days
22:40<obmij>screw iwlist
22:40<obmij>or iwconfig
22:40<obmij>wifi-radar or wpa_gui
22:41<xbj9000>is that what you used
22:41<obmij>and screw ndiswrapper too
22:41<obmij>god damn
22:41<obmij>I used wifi-radar
22:41<obmij>well let me get in from wifi
22:41<obmij>wpa_gui for wpa
22:41<obmij>hold up
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22:41<gid>I have a hard drive that fails the short SMART test (data drive, os is on a separate drive and separate controller even), linux freezes hard when it try to copy a big file to the drive, shouldn't linux just throw an error that it can't access the drive, and not totally lock up? this makes me think something else is wrong. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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22:43<gid>Running sid and debian 2.6.24-1-686 kernel
22:44<qq>gid: any message on tty1 ?
22:44<gid>yeah, I get some stuff on the console somtimes, sometimes it just freezes
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22:44<obmij>yeeeeah boi
22:44<syntax>gid: any OS dealing with hardware failures can cause strange results.
22:44<obmij>interestingly enough we both use rogers
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22:45<gid>sometimes it actually catches stuff in kern.log, but usually not
22:45<obmij>wayah luss
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22:45<obmij>and wow I can't believe it
22:45<obmij>I'm using the native broadcom driver
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22:45<obmij>under Gentoo it would sometimes function sometimes not
22:45<gid>syntax, yeah, I was thinking that, but I'd hate to buy a new HD and find out it's a bad controller or stupid kernel bug
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22:46<gid>guess I don't have much choice tho
22:46<obmij>Ok.... all your WEP is belong to.... >:}
22:46<obmij>aptitude install aircrack? 8-D
22:47<obmij>Just kidding, it's for demonstration purposes only
22:47<gid>WD's diag tool locks up when it starts up, so I doubt I'll be able to get an RMA
22:48<Guest1263>having to repartition due to / getting full. guided partitioning gives me a 250Mb / on a 1.6Gb drive. Twice now this fills in a shortwhile. (64bit and 32bit libs fill it up) what is an ideal size scheme to manually do?
22:48<enouf>gid: big file? what FSs are involved?
22:48<enouf>and how big a file?
22:48<gid>only like 300 meg
22:48<enouf>on both drives is reiserfs?
22:49<obmij>lol reiserfs
22:49<abrotman>Guest1263: might be easier to just have one big /
22:49<enouf>oh, 300M is nothing
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22:49<Guest1263>are there not advantages to splitting them?
22:49<gid>it's probably hitting a bad sector, but those should be remapped automatically, but maybe it's out of spare sectors...
22:49<obmij>whatever happened to the guy?
22:49<enouf>nothing wrong with 3.6 with correct mount options
22:49<gid>yeah, but this was a pre-murder reiserfs partition, so I should be good, right?
22:49<enouf>gid: if it's that- badblocks
22:49<obmij>gid, I don't think he did it
22:50<enouf>but yeah. if it's failing smart, door stop
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22:50<abrotman>Guest1263: yes there are .. but you only have a 1.6GB drive
22:51<gid>guess I should just chuck it and forget about it
22:51<Guest1263>ahhh sorry typo. 160gb
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22:51<gid>I really been having great luck with my newer WD drives
22:51<gid>haven't been having great luck with newer WD drives I mean
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22:52<obmij>ok great folks, everything's fine
22:52<obmij>thanks to all who helped
22:52<gid>my new raptors are both fantastic, but these caviers, ugh
22:52<obmij>and whoever I've forgotten
22:53<xbj9000>I always go Seagate
22:53<xbj9000>no real reason why though
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22:53<gid>this makes me think he did it
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22:55<gid>at any rate, next drive will probably be XFS--EXT3 just wastes too much space
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22:59<xbj9000>wow rieser murder
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22:59<xbj9000>I've always used ext3 but this machine has a 4GB drive so I was thinking of changing
23:00<qq>this machine is ?
23:00<xbj9000>oh a thinkpad 390e
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23:00<syntax>is it normal for my subversion AuthzSVNAccessFile to be in constant use?
23:01<syntax>I need to add a user to it, but every time I go to edit and save, the file has already been modified
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23:01<xbj9000>what I usually do is set everything up and work out my bugs, then analyze my filesystem sizes and re-partition
23:01<xbj9000>and reinstall
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23:03<qq>syntax: i don't think so
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23:03<syntax>it's not growing in size but the timestamp changes every minute
23:04<qq>how many users are ?
23:04<qq>no, grr
23:04<syntax>the access file is fairly large. 41K
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23:07<obmij>mplayer does no seem to have divx codec
23:07<obmij>how do I download and install the additional codecs?
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23:08<Villarroel>Where goes the non-us section? Isn't that documented somewhere?
23:09<qq>not needed any more
23:09<Villarroel>qq: Why?
23:09<qq>us lows have changed
23:11<Villarroel>What about the sotware that violates certain software patents?
23:11<qq>you are talking than about non-free
23:12<chealer>!tell Villarroel about non-us
23:12<Villarroel>chealer: dpkg is not here!
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23:12<gid>obmij, add this to /etc/apt/sources.list: "deb sid main"
23:12<Villarroel>qq: No, I'm not talking about non-free!
23:13<gid>might need to replace sid with whatever you're running
23:13<qq>dpkg ok
23:13<gid>apt-get install mplayer w32codecs
23:13<gid>should it
23:14<qq>obmij: are you on sid ?
23:14<qq>so "deb lenny main"
23:14<obmij>yeah thought so
23:14<obmij>isn't lenny like ... close to sid ?:P
23:15<qq>not at all
23:15<gid>lenny is testing, packages have to be proven stable to get promoted or something
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23:16<gid>so they can be different enough to cause depedency issues
23:16<obmij>I se
23:16<obmij>so you on sid ... gid?
23:17<gid>ya, I'm glutton for punishment
23:17<obmij>wow, my neighbor has wicked wifi connection
23:17<obmij>they have the more expensive rogers cable
23:17<obmij>like 5x faster
23:17<obmij>rogers cable plan*
23:17<obmij>and the AP is open to all =P
23:18<obmij>aww it still can't play it
23:18<obmij>it says playing but ... then... does nothing
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23:19<obmij>can anyone give me a sample video to watch?
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23:23<Villarroel>I'm a bit confused. What about Freetype? Does not Freetype uses some algorithms that are protected by software patents?
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23:25<xbj9000>gid do you know the key command for the multimedia repo?
23:25<chealer>Villarroel: Debian has no infrastructure for distributing software known to infringe patents in a problematic way. such software is often distributed on debian-multimedia and company.
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23:26<gid>oh, to import his gpg or whatever... I thought it was on that page somewhere...
23:26<gid>it's a bunch of cryptic commands
23:26<xbj9000>ok what page?
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23:27<chealer>qq: non-free doesn't contain software known to infringe patents in a problematic way. non-free is for software which isn't free.
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23:33<Lesat_di_Lioncourt>Hi...i got a problem whe i download de debian-testin-amd64-DVD-1...checking the integirity a md5sum of initrd.gz called an error...
23:33<Lesat_di_Lioncourt>how can i fix it?
23:34<qq>re download ?
23:35<qq>a netinstall only
23:35<xbj9000>downloading .iso's via torrent usually works better for me, for avoiding file corruption
23:36<xbj9000>unless you already did it that way..
23:36<Lesat_di_Lioncourt>understood...i tried to use MagicDisc...
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23:40<Lesat_di_Lioncourt>how and where i can download the initrd.gz for debian-testin-amd64-DVD-1 and other components?
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23:40<Lesat_di_Lioncourt>"<qq> re download ?"
23:41<Lesat_di_Lioncourt>thanks...i will try...
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23:43<gid>xbj9000, crap can't find it, not sure how to add the key :(
23:43<xbj9000>oh wow you're still looking? thanks I appreciate it
23:43<qq>apt-get install debian-multimedia*
23:44<xbj9000>it's ok I can ignore the warning messages :p
23:44<gid>no, I was doing other junk for a bit...
23:44<Lesat_di_Lioncourt><qq> I don´t founded initrd.gz in ""...what can i do?
23:44<xbj9000>qq what all would that install?
23:45<qq>Lesat_di_Lioncourt: initrd.img is generate when we install a kernel
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23:46<qq>xbj9000: it install the key gpg from debian-multimedia
23:47<xbj9000>oh, yeah? I'm used to using a long wget string
23:47<gsimmons>dpkg: wb
23:47<dpkg>thanks, gsimmons. It's good to be back.
23:48<Lesat_di_Lioncourt><qq> interesting...If i proceed to the installation of debian with md5sum can i fix these problems after the instalation?
23:48<Lesat_di_Lioncourt>"apt-get update" can fix it?
23:48<xbj9000>not a good idea
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23:48<qq>Lesat_di_Lioncourt: just install you kernel
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23:50<xbj9000>anyone have news on the Audacious problem?
23:50<Lesat_di_Lioncourt>[qq]: Huhuh...very good...This also serves to other problems (in others packages with md5sum errors)?
23:54<qq>or update-initramfs -u -k | k is your kernel
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23:55<obmij>ok what's your video player of choice (aside from mplayer)
23:56<obmij>is Xine still supported
23:56<qq>so way "your video player" ?
23:56<obmij>so way?
23:56<obmij>I can't play an xvid movie with mplayer
23:57<obmij>vlc eh...
23:57<obmij>too late trying out xine :P
23:58<obmij>if it doesn't work out I'll use vlc
23:58<obmij>god why is mplayer acting up on Debian
23:58<obmij>it keeps crashing with signal 11 or something
23:58<qq>paste the error
23:58<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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