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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-07-19

---Logopened Sat Jul 19 00:00:13 2008
00:00<caffn>Check ur xorg.0.log file, might have anything usefull
00:01<caffn>Probably not, instant freeze sucks
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00:02<RIVE>Yes it sucks, let me see xorg log.
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00:11<Lounge>ok there's some issues i'm having and need some input on /tmp encrypted
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00:12<Lounge>my problem is not encrypting /tmp, the problem is chmod 1117
00:12<Lounge>for some reason the system isn't chmodding the tmp and as a result, i can't login with my account
00:13<caffn>Strange
00:13<Lounge>is there a way to get the system to chmod 1117 the encrypted /tmp so i can get my acct logged in where it can write what it needs to tmp?
00:14<Lounge>otherwise its returning a permission denied
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00:16<Lounge>see at the time - i didn't install using LVM encrypt & I just wanna go thorugh that whole process again - of having to makes bakcups and transfering, re-partitioning and all that mess
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00:24<Lounge>funny how there's not much google can say about encrypted /tmp
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00:27<Lounge>so i'm wondering if there's a way to make a startup script that chmod 1117 the /tmp after its mounted?
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00:35<Lounge>i take that back its actually "chmod 1777"
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00:37<Lounge>should I add mode=1777 to /dev/mapper/tmp in fstab?
00:37<Lounge>maybe that might work
00:39<Lounge>k ima try that an reboot - wish luck to i & i mon!
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00:41<RIVE>Updating the laptop, 3 hours to finish.
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00:47<Fosco999>How do I found out what device my mouse is in the /dev folder?
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00:53<Sniper>Hello
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00:56<Sniper>Anyone can say me adresses for updating APT lists??
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01:11<kurumin>hi
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01:12<RIVE>Hi zerialkiller.
01:13<zerialkiller>hi =) RIVE
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01:20<Lounge>ok the issue is that /dev/mapper/tmp was mounting to /tmp but was not giving me write permissions, so i went into fail safe terminal and mounted /dev/mapper/tmp to /dev/loop1
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01:21<Lounge>and then mounted /dev/loop1 to /tmp, chmodded 1777 and that got me into my account in gnome
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01:21<caffn>Lol, nice :)
01:21<Lounge>now i need to figure out how to structure that is fstab
01:21<caffn>Anyway, i'm going home.. Byebye :)
01:21<caffn>Yeah
01:21<Lounge>l8r
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01:22<Digg>dang, just went back to debian etch after trying to find some luck in other brands.. got back because of the rock solid stable. but.. think i fucked up apt-get..
01:22<Digg>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), anyone?
01:22<Digg>apt-get -f install/remove doesnt work
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01:26<Lounge>Digg: there seems to be a broken package going on - have you tried the synaptic package manager to see if it finds anything broken?
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01:27<Lounge>Digg: Synaptic > Edit > Fix Broken Packages
01:27<Digg>Lounge: it does not really give me any info
01:28<Digg>Lounge: let me try install a package to see if same error occures
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01:29<Digg>Lounge: E: linux-igd: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
01:29<Digg>Lounge: you guessed it, linux-igd is the troublemaker
01:29<Lounge>Digg: if you look in synaptic in the "Custom Filters" and select "broken" does it show anything there?
01:30<Lounge>aw ok
01:30<xbj9000>I'm currently installing minimally on a Toshiba Satellite Pro 435cds
01:30<xbj9000>there's some kind of PCMCIA issue with it, in every distro I've tried
01:31<Digg>Lounge: hmm you mean under Settings>Filters?
01:32<Lounge>Digg: on the bottom left corner ~ should see a stack of buttons - one says "Custom Filters"
01:33<Digg>Lounge: ah.. sorry. well, nothing there
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01:33<Lounge>Digg: from the Custom Filters - in the upper left pain should select "Broken"
01:34<Digg>Lounge: Yea, it shows nothing under broken
01:34<Lounge>ok
01:35<Lounge>Digg: have you tried "apt-get purge linux-igd"
01:36<Lounge>and then apt-get --purge
01:36<Lounge>i mean apt-get --purge instead
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01:37<Digg>hmm it only leavs me same output as apt-get --help @@
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01:49<Digg>Lounge: solved.. apt-get remove libupnp0 linux-igd -f
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01:51<NeoO>uhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
01:51<NeoO>hola
01:52<Lounge>nice
01:52<Lounge>brb
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01:55<NeoO>hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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02:13<xbj9000>I think the toshiba install may be stuck
02:13<xbj9000>48mb ram :p
02:14<EricB>how old is that box?
02:15<xbj9000>early 90s
02:15<xbj9000>it's gray
02:15<EricB>what model?
02:15<xbj9000>435cds
02:15<xbj9000>satellite pro
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02:17<xbj9000>it appears to be grinding away though so maybe it's ok
02:18<xbj9000>been at 75% for like half an hour
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02:45<xbj9000>still 75%
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03:04<xbj9000>wow I'm glad I didn't interrupt it, finally some progress
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03:33<RNZ>hi
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03:45<luis>hola!!"!
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03:47<hxc>mmmm......hay alguien que sepa de hacking basico en linux ........me gustaria aprender a saber bien como es el manejo de redes en linux (ubuntu)
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03:48<hxc>y como poder mantener seguros mis documentos
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04:06<scretch>Where are game installed pls? (in which directory)
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04:08<Bohtont>#BlackLight@blacklight.gotdns.org
04:08<Bohtont>sorry
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04:12<stevecotton>scretch: dpkg -L [name of game's package]
04:13<scretch>thx
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04:20<scretch>And pls how can I completely remove something? (apt-get remove?)
04:21<scretch>stevecotton pls
04:22<cogwheel>apt-get --purge remove
04:22<cogwheel>er..
04:23<cogwheel>apt-get purge
04:23<scretch>cogwheel: thx
04:24<cogwheel>apt-get remove is there too, purge is more "complete"
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04:29<scretch>cogwhell: it didnt help. I have problem with settings of one game (i changed resolution and get black screen). So i tried to completely remove it, but it didnt help. Is there any other possibility pls?
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04:40<stevecotton>scretch - it's probably left some configuration info in your home directory (maybe ~/.packagename)
04:41<stevecotton>directories starting with a '.' don't show up in "ls", but do show up in "ls -A"
04:41<stevecotton>whcih game is it?
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04:43<scretch>stevecotton: its tremulous
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04:59<stevecotton>not one that I have installed - is there a ~/.tremulous directory on your machine?
04:59<Lounge>ok my issue is solved finally
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05:03<Lounge>my encrypted tmp wasn't mounting and it was driving my nuts
05:03<Lounge>turns out it was b/c it was set to mount as ext3 not ext2
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05:06<scretch>stevecotton: unfortunately i didnt find it :(
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05:10<foran>salut
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05:15<stevecotton>scretch - when all else fails, try strace.
05:16<stevecotton>strace -e file tremulous 2>&1 | grep /home/scretch
05:17<stevecotton>replacing "scretch" with your username - that will show where its config files are
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05:19<stevecotton>system-wide config is affected by purging and reinstalling the package; anything that you do without logging in a root will be somewhere in your home directory
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05:22<stevecotton>scretch - did you see the stuff about strace? (I ask because it looks like your IRC client crashed)
05:23<scretch>stevecotton: the command is OK, but only if I am like root client
05:23<scretch>stevecotton: if i run it by the nomal way, it will crash :(
05:23<stevecotton>:(
05:24<scretch>scretch-desktop scretch # strace -e file tremulous 2 gt;&1 | grep /home/scretch
05:24<scretch>bash: syntax error near unexpected token `&'
05:24<scretch>stevecotton: it wrote this this time...
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05:25<stevecotton>between the "2" and "1" should be a greater-than sign, not "gt;'
05:25<scretch>thx
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05:30<sheldonh_>woot! my first sid bungle. did a partial dist-upgrade, suspend to disk hung, i powered off, and now boot halts waiting for root filesystem after saying ``Volume group 'vgr1' not found''. :)
05:31<sheldonh_>interestingly, a rescue cd finds the volume group no problem. in fact, i'm chrooted into the box right now. any ideas?
05:32<sheldonh_>at the moment, i'm going with "complete the dist-upgrade, then try again", in the absence of any better ideas
05:32<scretch>stevecotton: i can launch it by the commnad, but i cant change any setting....so i cant launch it by the normal way...
05:33<stevecotton>Did you get a load of lines that start stat("/home/scretch
05:34*stevecotton thinks it looks like an interesting game, might install it
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05:35<scretch>stevecotton: :D
05:35<sheldonh_>hmmm, i see a udev ugprade in the pipeline
05:36<sheldonh_>is "Waiting for root filesystem" issued by the kernel, initramfs, or init?
05:37<sheldonh_>the silver lining, i suppose, is that this is happening on a saturday, not in the middle of the week :)
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05:39<scretch>stevecotton: when should i get load of lines?
05:39<stevecotton>on the terminal that you ran it from, I was expecting a load of debugging to appear while it was running
05:40<stevecotton>BTW, is scretch your username on your machine? If it's not, change the bit after "grep" to match
05:40<stevecotton>That command will show what files it accesses in your home directory, I'm expecting it to reveal where it keeps its config file.
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05:41<stevecotton>(it will also produce a lot of output, if it works)
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05:45<scretch>stevecotton: schterc
05:45<scretch>stevecotton: scretch is my username...
05:47<scretch>stevecotton: sry, i lost the command :(
05:47<scretch>stevecotton: i wrote it somewhere, but i dont know where...
05:47<stevecotton>strace -e file tremulous 2>&1 | grep /home/scretch
05:47<stevecotton>that's without the correction to the usernam
05:50<scretch>stat64("/home/scretch", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
05:50<scretch>access("/home/scretch/.Xauthority", R_OK) = 0
05:50<scretch>open("/home/scretch/.Xauthority", O_RDONLY) = 18
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05:51<gsimmons>scretch: The display resolution used by tremulous is defined by the value given to r_mode in ~/.tremulous/base/autogen.cfg. Decrement this value to use a smaller resolution.
05:51<stevecotton>are you still here, or have you just been kicked off by the "no flooding" policy?
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05:51<stevecotton>thanks gsimmons :)
05:51<scretch>stevecotton: im here, i know the policy :-D
05:52<sheldonh>it worked! i reckon i got bitten by udev-0.124-3
05:52<scretch>gsimmons: i know this, but i dont know, where is the autogen.cfg
05:52<sheldonh>booted an install cd into rescue mode, chrooted in, did an update and dists-upgrade, made sure it completed update-initramfs, and lo!
05:53<sheldonh>i love the recoverability of it all.
05:53<scretch>sry, i hae to go...bye
05:53<stevecotton>bye
05:53<gsimmons>scretch: I just told you. grep on 'autogen' (using stevecotton's previous command) if you don't believe me.
05:54<stevecotton> ~ is /home/scretch
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06:03<mike>Hi! Can anybody explain to me why Firefox 3.0 in Debian (testing) when start goes to offline mode?
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06:06<mike>Is anybody there?..
06:08<Simon_42>because it's testing?!
06:08<sheldonh>mike: mine doesn't (3.0.1 in unstable). which version of iceweasel are you using?
06:08<mike>Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008062910 Iceweasel/3.0 (Debian-3.0~rc2-2)
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06:09<sheldonh>mike: that's what i was using up until the 3.0.1-1 release a few days ago. that _also_ didn't start up in offline mode, so chances are, it's a user configuration issue
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06:10<Difur>êòî-íèáóäü ãîâîðèò ïî ðóññêè?
06:10<sheldonh>mike: first check Edit -> Preferences -> Main -> Startup
06:11<noflash>!ru
06:11<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
06:11<Difur>ok
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06:11<sheldonh>mike: second, File -> Work Online, then File -> Quit without doing anything else. when you start iceweasel again, is it still in offline mode?
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06:13<mike>Edit -> Preferences -> Main -> Startup = about:blank
06:14<mike> File -> Work Online, then File -> Quit
06:14<mike>I do this every time. No changes
06:15<sheldonh>mik: about:config -> Filter offline -> Show all
06:15<sheldonh>mike: right-click on browser.offline, then click on Reset
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06:15<sheldonh>mike: then quit, start up again and go back to about:config -> Filter offline -> Show all
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06:16<sheldonh>mike: if browser.offline is _still_ user set boolean true, it's gotta be an add-on that's doing it
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06:18<mike>Evereything is ok after reset "browser.offline". Thank you!!!
06:19<sheldonh>mike: woot!
06:20<mike>!ua
06:20<dpkg>Ukraine - ua ukr 804
06:20<scretch>stevecotton: im back
06:21<scretch>stevecotton: /home/scretch/.tremulous/base/autogen.cfg: Permission denied
06:21<stevecotton>ls -l /home/scretch/.tremulous/base/autogen.cfg
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06:23<scretch>stevecotton: -rw-r--r-- 1 scretch scretch 7575 2008-07-19 11:28 /home/scretch/.tremulous/base/autogen.cfg....but what with this? how can i open it? It says "permission denied"
06:23<gsimmons>scretch: It is a configuration file, not an executable. You edit it with a text editor.
06:23<scretch>thx
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06:25<scretch>gsimmons, stevecotton: thx a lot, i did it :)
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06:26<stephen>Hello everyone.. Im having trouble with debian.. as im trying to setup a raid 10 with a software raid controller SIL3114
06:26<stephen>Can someone please advise me..
06:26<stephen>I have tried lenny and read the howtos but im encountering several problems..
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06:27<stephen>is there a way to install debian with the raid setup of 10 done first?
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06:37<sheldonh>stephen: hmmm, can't remember seeing raid10 as an option. can you confirm that the installer sees at leasst 4 separate disks?
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06:42<sheldonh>stephen: i can't test in virtualbox because it won't give me more than 3 disks per vm :)
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06:44<stephen>sheldonh thanks for the offer of helping..
06:44<stephen>sheldonh yes it sees 4 individual disks
06:45<sheldonh>stephen: and then you created a partition on each (same size across all) and marked the partition for use a a physical volume for RAID, and when you Configure RAID, and create a new array, it only offers 0 and 1?
06:46<stephen>it doesnt give me any option for raid
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06:50<Nyaa>Would it be a problem in any way if I rip apart Debian's tedious Apache2 setup?
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06:58<abrotman>why would you?
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07:01<sheldonh>stephen: ha! then there's hope. it doesn't offer you RAID configuration until you've marked partitions as phsyical volumes for RAID
07:01<Nyaa>Because I have thousands of lines of conf files that I would rather not adapt to the structure.
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07:02<sheldonh>Nyaa: it's fine. just make sure that a) a file called /etc/apache2/apache2.conf is left in the way for later upgrades, and b) your sysadmins are smart enough to carefully review config change requests during dist-upgrades later
07:03<sheldonh>Nyaa: that said, i've found it more useful to force my sysadmins to migrate configs to the platform in use (they've now had to migrate a crusty old CMS through 3 platforms)
07:03<Nyaa>Yeah, well, it doesn't really matter if apache2.conf and httpd.conf are changed. Those are easy to fix. I could just create an "all" site that has all my old stuff.
07:04<Nyaa>...and use that in the Debian structure. Should work fine...
07:04<Nyaa>I have a few Directory settings in the main conf though.
07:04<sheldonh>Nyaa: that's what hurts us too :)
07:05<Nyaa>I guess copypaste will be my friend.
07:05<sheldonh>Nyaa: does /etc/apache2/conf.d not help for those?
07:05<Nyaa>I guess I could put them there as well. Right now they're part of the main conf.
07:06<Nyaa>I like to categorize by setting type instead of by site. Directory settings, virtual host settings, etc.
07:06<sheldonh>Nyaa: one small, well-tested change at a time :)
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07:07<Nyaa>OK, on to the next one...
07:08<Nyaa>I'll get KVMoIP access from my host in order to set up RAID 1 without having to break a sweat. Should I bother going through the "set-up-degraded-RAID1-on-the-second-disk" or should I just reinstall the whole system? It's vanilla right now.
07:08<sheldonh>can dupload.conf specify no mail to be sent for a specific host?
07:08<Nyaa>No /boot partition was set up so I thought I might as well add that if I get to reinstall it all.
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07:10<sheldonh>Nyaa: probably quicker to reinstall
07:11<Nyaa>Yeah, thought so.
07:11<sheldonh>Nyaa: fwiw, consider doing your single-disk installs as degraded raid1 array installs in future. then you don't have to worry about this issue :)
07:11<Nyaa>The whole "copy from disk 1 to disk 2, reboot from disk 2, add disk 1" business seems tedious and a bit unsafe.
07:12<sheldonh>Nyaa: it's never gronked on me before, but that proves nothing
07:12<Nyaa>Yeah, well, the problem was that my previous server broke down (they blamed FreeBSD but that seems unlikely since they failed to install Debian on it afterwards) and they "didn't have time" to add the second disk.
07:12<sheldonh>Nyaa: up until yesterday afternoon, my experience with sid "proved" that sid is perfect, reliable, problem-free. and then :)
07:13<Nyaa>Boom.
07:13<Nyaa>I was told I'm getting my second disk today, along with KVMoIP access and a Debian disc in the tray.
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07:14<Nyaa>Sounds fair enough but I still think they could have done the install per my instructions. They're just lazy and/or incompetent.
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07:15<Nyaa>I specifically asked for software RAID 1, I included all instructions needed, etc. They gave me nothing except the (almost) correct partition layout. D'oh.
07:15<sheldonh>Nyaa: who's the provider?
07:16<Nyaa>Well, I'm still not mad enough to throw shit at them so I'll protect them for now.
07:16<Nyaa>They did postpone my billing renewal date twice already.
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07:18<Nyaa>Having lost thousands of USD because of the simple fact that I haven't been able to serve any ads is another thing. Oh well. Not that I really care.
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07:28<Nyaa>Interesting. This is an old install from May 28.
07:29<Nyaa>That's server provisioning for you. Grab an old system, change the password(s), give it to the customer.
07:30<abrotman>they knew you were coming
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07:31<Nyaa>Well, this is server #2 at their place since the old one broke down. No one has used this system but I still think it's bad.
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07:40<lemagoup>hello
07:40<Txt_file>hello
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07:41<lemagoup>I have a problem to install gnome in sid, can someone help me ?
07:41<Txt_file>lemagoup: I have the same problem
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07:41<lemagoup>libft-perl ?
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07:42<Txt_file>I don't know ...
07:42<abrotman>!install gnome
07:42<dpkg>To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>.
07:43<abrotman>start smaller
07:43<Txt_file>but try to install lenny (or etch) and then upgrade to sid
07:43<Txt_file>!set up x
07:43<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg" , you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, or <install kde>, or <install xfce>, or <install fluxbox>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
07:44<lemagoup>dpkg: I tried to install the gnome package after a fresh lenny install upgraded to sid
07:44<dpkg>You are moron #1, lemagoup
07:44<abrotman>lemagoup: so try gnome-core first
07:44<abrotman>!sid upgrade
07:44<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead.
07:46<Txt_file>!opengl
07:46<dpkg>rumour has it, opengl is (Open Graphics Language) This is a 3D graphics API developed by Silicon Graphics., but at http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Terry/OpenGL/Introduction.html. There is also a free implementation for it, ask me about mesa
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07:47<Txt_file>abrotman: thanks I didn't know it
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07:48<lemagoup>abrotman: same problem with gnome core -> libft-perl can not find perlapi-5.8.8
07:48<abrotman>sounds like libft-perl is very out of date
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07:49<abrotman>grr .. pdo is dying
07:50<Nyaa>PDO as in PHP?
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07:50<snama>hello
07:51<abrotman>!pdo
07:51<dpkg>http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
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07:57<stephen>Does anyone know if you can control the speed / noise of a poweredge 2450?
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08:03<bastiao_>each is stable version of debian?
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08:04<bastiao_>I would like have gnome 2.22.. what version should I have use ?
08:04<Txt_file>bastiao_: etch = stable
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08:04<Txt_file>bastiao_: for what you need gnome 2.22.??
08:05<bastiao_>well .. a modern version of gnome
08:05<bastiao_>not necessary 2.22
08:05<bastiao_>what branch have it?
08:05<Txt_file>testing/lenny has 2.20
08:05<bastiao_>and unstable?
08:06<Txt_file>and sid hab 2.22.
08:06<bastiao_>sure :)
08:06<Txt_file>http://packages.debian.org/
08:06<bastiao_>thanks
08:06<Txt_file>you're welcome
08:07<avu>sid mostly has 2.22
08:07<avu>nautilus for example is still 2.20
08:08<bastiao_>first packages that we make will added on experimental, right?
08:10<mordy_>hey all
08:11<abrotman>bastiao_: no
08:11<Txt_file>any problem mordy_ :) :D
08:11<bastiao_>abrotman, where is it added? unsable?
08:11<mordy_>txt_file - of course
08:12<abrotman>bastiao_: either use etch or lenny
08:12<sheldonh>stephen: did you come right with your raid config?
08:12<Txt_file>I know ... you have an install problem cause you have no cd-device
08:12<Txt_file>mordy_
08:12<mordy_>indeed
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08:14<snama>hello
08:15<mordy_>txtfile - i'm entirely lost :(
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08:16<Txt_file>mordy_: not good ... I think the easieast way is to bay a USB-DVD-Drive
08:16<mordy_>hehe - isn't there a way to fake it?
08:17<Txt_file>mordy_ - without a OS ... you see it .. very difficult
08:17<mordy_>txt_file -i can get the busybox though
08:19<Txt_file>mordy_ - what about network-boot?
08:19<mordy_>txt-file - it can't detect my card :(
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08:20<mordy_>maybe i can set up a tftp server - but it's too over my head at the moment :(
08:20<cwe_bogor>huyz
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08:22<Txt_file>mordy_ - but I think a tftpd could be easier .. cause so many problems you have had last night
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08:22<mordy_>txt - and i don't know if it would solve my problem altogether
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08:25<q0q>mordy_: don't forget you don't want to use netinstall ...
08:25<mordy_>q0q - that too
08:26<mordy_>i'm wondering if the problem could be on my target disk, as the partitons are currently ntfs
08:26<Txt_file>internet-install or network-install
08:26<mordy_>i'm formatting one partition to fat32
08:26<mordy_>via windozw
08:26<hypnotic>hello, after the recent kernel update I experienced a lot of problems with devmapper during boot which switched sda and sdc and leaves the system unusable, according to the bugreports this is fixed in the new versions, but after updating devmapper I still have this bug. 50% of my boots are bugged at the moment. It probablyu concerns this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=455746
08:26<Txt_file>why not parted
08:27<sheldonh>mordy_: you're always doing weird stuff :)
08:27<q0q>mordy_: why simple when we may do things complicated ?
08:27<mordy_>txtfile - this disk is in my target computer - i opened it up, and tried to remove it - but ti was too complicated. what a crappy computer - who the hell uses a 2.5 disk in an 'ultra portable' computer
08:27<mordy_>hehe q0q
08:28<mordy_>but i really can't find another option - i threw in the towel, but that didn't hep with netinstall
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08:29<mordy_>and gparted isn't too great either - i don't trust it really
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08:29<q0q>mordy_: a master of anti KISS ...
08:29<mordy_>q0q what's that?
08:30<sheldonh>spit
08:30<Txt_file>mordy_ ah ok .. you will know what you're doing
08:30<hypnotic>mordy: what partition manager can u recommend?
08:30<mordy_>hypnotic - i wish i knew myself
08:31<q0q>mordy_: Keep It Simple and Stupid
08:31<mordy_>usually i don't pay much attention to partitions. it's true - you don't pay attention to partitoning except at installation time. once oyu've got a working install, you can't really partition without screwing evertyhing up
08:31<hypnotic>mordy: gparted can be very inefficient (a little bit autistic) which increases your risk at data loss in the case of power failure
08:32<hypnotic>cant understand if u want to move a 200 gb partition 10 gb to the left why everything should be moved (instead of only the 10gb of surplus)
08:33<mordy_>hehe, i work with smaller partitions
08:34<hypnotic>me 2 but only for my system
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08:34<hypnotic>have 3 hds with only 1 partition
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08:34<hypnotic>and 1 with a lot of system partitions
08:35<hypnotic>i dont do resizing anymore
08:35<hypnotic>bette to buy a new hd and copy everthing on it and start from scratch
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08:36<q0q>hypnotic: all in one , and one with all ... nice
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08:36<hypnotic>hehe ;)
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08:37<mordy_>hehe, i'm trying dd if=<iso> of=<usb> - let's see if it will do anything
08:40<hypnotic>am I the only one who has trouble with devmapper after the recent kernel update?
08:40<q0q>no
08:40<q0q>on sid I mean
08:41<hypnotic>did you see reports on the effectiveness of the recent devmapper updates?
08:41<hypnotic>i had it on lenny
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08:41<hypnotic>upgraded my i386 to sid, but both lenny and sid have the problem
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08:42<Nyaa>!sid upgrade
08:42<dpkg>Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead.
08:42<hypnotic>it occured with lenny i386, lenny amd64 and sid i386, with the old devmapper and with the 2 new ones from the last 3 days
08:42<hypnotic>testing is my main system
08:42<hypnotic>sid is just for fun
08:43<hypnotic>but was curious if it would sove the problem, but it didnt
08:43<hypnotic>*solve
08:43<sheldonh>hypnotic: you'ree not the only one. i had to boot an install cd in rescue mode to recover
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08:43<jear>bye
08:43<hypnotic>o i just do a couple of reboots
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08:43<sheldonh>hypnotic: yesterday's dist-upgrade broken it, today's dist-upgrade fixed it
08:43<hypnotic>50% of the time it works
08:44<sheldonh>hypnotic: although today's dist-upgrade required rescue mode ;)
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08:45<q0q> dmsetup (#491107, #491114),
08:45<q0q>+ lsb-base
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08:45<hypnotic>dist-upgrade is for distro updates right?
08:46<hypnotic>upgrades
08:46<hypnotic>i dont have dmsetup installed on my system
08:46<hypnotic>and during installation of devmapper -2 and -3 it didnt install it as a dependency
08:46<sheldonh>hypnotic: erm, doubt it. dist-upgrade is the premier way to upgrade a debian box after apt-get|aptitude update
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08:47<hypnotic>hmm normally I use synaptic
08:47<abrotman>premier ?
08:47<sheldonh>hypnotic: i think dist-upgrade is being renamed to full-upgrade
08:47<abrotman>it's already been renamed in lenny/sid
08:47<abrotman>or aliased .. whatever
08:47<sheldonh>abrotman: premier adj, first in rank or degree
08:47<hypnotic>what is renamed?
08:47<abrotman>sheldonh: i' disagree
08:48<sheldonh>abrotman: of course :)
08:48<abrotman>sheldonh: it can introduce changes you may not want on stable
08:48<abrotman>such as kernel ABI changes
08:48<abrotman>hypnotic: aptitude upgrade and aptitude dist-upgrade .. now aptitude safe-upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade .. or something like that
08:49<sheldonh>abrotman: so you prefer safe-upgrade?
08:49<abrotman>sheldonh: on stable? you probably shouldn't blindly dist-upgrade
08:49<hypnotic>aha well i never used aptitude, only apt-get
08:49<abrotman>you should at least understnad why something is being held-back on stable
08:49<sheldonh>abrotman: well, you shouldn't do _anything_ blindly :)
08:49<abrotman>you know what i mean darn it!
08:50<sheldonh>:)
08:50<hypnotic>how can you dist-upgrade without upgrading you distro?
08:50<sheldonh>hypnotic: don't touch /etc/apt/sources.list
08:50<abrotman>hypnotic: if the release structure hasn't changed(such as lenny has been released) and you haven't changed your sources.list .. it won't upgrade your distro
08:51<hypnotic>if i understand correctly there are 3 things to upgrade/update: your packagelist, your packages and your distro
08:51<sheldonh>hypnotic: i think you need to read the aptitude manual page's description of dist-upgrade/full-upgrade before proceeding :)
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08:51<hypnotic>at least yes ;)
08:51<themill>dpkg: tell hypnotic about dist-upgrade
08:51<abrotman>hi stu!
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08:52<themill>G'day abrotman
08:52<hypnotic>thanx, its a little bit more complicated then I imagined
08:52<tritos>Hello..
08:52<sheldonh>anyone here tried using the scrum project management system on projects that are closer to systems administration and engineering than they are to application development?
08:52<abrotman>themill: at least you didn't call me 'Al' :)
08:52<tritos>Where can I change language in Linux Mint pls?
08:52<themill>heh
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08:52<sheldonh>hahaha
08:52<abrotman>tritos: you would ask the Mint channel . this isn't it
08:52<sheldonh>mint is the new ubuntu
08:52<themill>!mint
08:52<dpkg>from memory, linux mint is a distribution based on Ubuntu. It is not Debian and we're unable to assist. Go /join #linuxmint @ irc.spotchat.org. See <Based on Debian>. http://www.linuxmint.com, or http://linuxmint.com/forum
08:52<tritos>ou sr :-D
08:53<hypnotic>isnt this more a kde question than a mint question?
08:53<abrotman>no .. it's a mint question
08:53<hypnotic>or gnome, xfce etc
08:53<themill>htfswk?
08:53<hypnotic>ok
08:53<abrotman>we have no idea how they maintain their system languages
08:53<sheldonh>hypnotic: we'd have to know about mint to know whether it's a kde question :P
08:54<hypnotic>just use english ;)
08:54*sheldonh has a buddy who's in love with mint
08:54<sheldonh>looks very pretty
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08:54<hypnotic>yes your right
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08:55<abrotman>you're
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08:55<hypnotic>yeah yeah yeah it was a rough night last night ;)
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08:59<snama>whats up?
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09:33<pif>gggggg
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09:34<snama>salut
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10:12<morphium>hey, how to see what packages i have installed?
10:13<morphium>(if it's stored in a file, it would be the best)
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10:13<qq>dpkg -l ?
10:13<dpkg>qq: are you smoking crack?
10:14<qq>yeah ...
10:14<morphium>and if i only have the hard disk?
10:14<morphium>and the system isn't running?
10:14<ansgar>morphium: /var/lib/dpkg/info
10:14<morphium>thanks
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10:16<MotoHoss>[ot] i know this crack addict, he's addicted to crack, the one between his nose and his chin. &<)
10:17<ansgar>morphium: That should actually be /var/lib/dpkg/status...
10:17<Gekz>MotoHoss: that's terible.
10:18<Gekz>dpkg eats?
10:18<dpkg>Gekz: are you smoking crack?
10:18<Gekz>dpkg are you my mother?
10:18<dpkg>Gekz: wish i knew
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10:18<Gekz>LOL
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10:18<MotoHoss>i know, just couldn't resist. dpkg is the only one with a sense of humor. even if it is dry. &<)
10:19<MotoHoss>isn't*
10:20<snama>dpkg
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10:41<Txt_file>how can I get a list of all useraccounts at my pc?
10:41<supaman>ls /home ?
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10:42<supaman>search through /etc/passwd for all uid greater then 1000
10:42<matt__>anyone know how to run xscreensaver on a single screen? xscreensaver -display :0.1 still runs on all screens...
10:43<Txt_file>matt__: what?? you have 2 screens and want that the sreensaver run on 1 of these????
10:43<koan>have you tried DISPLAY=:0.1 xscreensaver ?
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10:51<Txt_file>what is the difference between bash and sh?
10:51<weasel>ba
10:51<matt__>koan: yes, well kind of. I set the env variable to that prior to running xscreensaver in case it took precedence over the -display argument...no joy
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10:52<Txt_file>weasel: :) ... not realy ... I admin a VPS and this must be secure
10:53<matt__>Txt_file: yes. one display drives a TV (mythtv) and the other an LCD that is always changing what's on the screen. The TV needs the screensaver, the LCD changes every few mins so it's ok
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10:53<koan>matt__: the man page of xscreensaver says it will automatically use the two screens on a dual monitor setup
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10:54<koan>and no mention of using only one...
10:54<weasel>Txt_file: erm. whatever.
10:54<matt__>yeah i saw that, but i guess i was hoping i read it wrong since they have host:server.screen section explicitly listed
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11:10<pbn>Hi there. Are you guys aware of VMware not starting anymore in Debian lenny ? It appears to be caused by an upgrade of libgtk2.0 or libx11.. Is there a fix ? Is there already a bug report ?
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11:12<qq>!tell pbn about bts
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11:14*mordy sighs
11:14<mordy>i've tried the lenny installer- same problem - can't find the iso
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11:15<mordy>i finally decided to mount the iso - which was possible - but it still can't find it - and when i try to execute anything from the iso, i get a permission denied
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11:18<pbn>qq: thank you :) but I know about the BTS... I'd be happy to file a bug report but I'm not sure about which package to make the bug report
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11:21<qq>do you use a vmware or debian virtualbox ?
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11:22<pbn>qq: VMware Server on this machine
11:22<pbn>qq: I can put you the error messages in some pastebin if you want...
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11:23<qq>never used vmware
11:23<pbn>I did aptitude upgrade yesterday and since then vmware won't start. To me it looks like to be related libgtk2.0... but I've seen reports on the web where it might be related to libx11
11:23<pbn>qq: yeah but basically vmware is bitching about things in libgtk and other libs
11:25<qq>i dunno
11:25<pbn>Locking assertion failure. Backtrace:^M
11:25<pbn>#0 /usr/lib/libxcb-xlib.so.0 [0xb7005767]^M
11:25<pbn>(...)
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11:25<pbn>that kind of stuff
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11:28<artista_frustrado>has anyone got the webcam "ID 04fc:0561 Sunplus Technology Co., Ltd Flexcam 100" working?
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11:32<noflash>!vmware
11:32<dpkg>VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>.
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11:38<gsimmons>artista_frustrado: That device appears to be supported by the gspca driver (http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html).
11:38<gsimmons>!tell artista_frustrado -about gspca one-liner
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11:42<artista_frustrado>gsimmons, I've tried that driver
11:42<artista_frustrado>but it throws a whole bunch of errors
11:43<artista_frustrado>till it halts the machine
11:43<artista_frustrado>tried on debian sid and ubuntu hardy
11:43<artista_frustrado>all I get is a black screen
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11:44<artista_frustrado>!paste
11:44<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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11:47<artista_frustrado>gsimmons, http://rafb.net/p/oMSlsx64.html
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11:51<snogglethorpe>ugh, copying my boot image to usb stick over usb 1.1 :-)
11:51<snogglethorpe>s l o w...
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12:02<jeffluo_cn>Hello everyone.
12:02<jeffluo_cn>no one response?
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12:04<snogglethorpe>respone?
12:05<mordy>hey snogglethorpe
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12:05<snogglethorpe>mordy: hi
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12:05<mordy>still slaving over this usb install :(
12:07<noflash>jeffluo_cn, this isn't a chat channel...it's for debian support
12:08<mordy>!how_are_you
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12:09<fxiny>virginia plain :P
12:09<mordy>errr.. how do i 'burn' an iso to a usb again?
12:09<mordy>dd?
12:09<fxiny>burn ? wt4x !
12:09<snogglethorpe>mordy: hmm
12:10<snogglethorpe>i bought a system today, and a usb stick :-)
12:10<mordy>zcat?
12:10<snogglethorpe>zcat
12:10<mordy>ok
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12:10<snogglethorpe>usb sticks are amzaingly cheap these days if you get a slow one
12:10<mordy>lol
12:10<mordy>zcat tells me it's not in zip format
12:10<snogglethorpe>hmm what's the file name?
12:11<qq>http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/ch04s04.html
12:11<mordy>snoggle, .iso
12:11<snogglethorpe>mordy: ah
12:11<snogglethorpe>that's not what you zcat though
12:11<qq>zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda
12:11<snogglethorpe>you zcat the 'boot image'
12:11<qq>not iso
12:11<mordy>qq - i've seen that so many times it's coming out of my ears
12:11<snogglethorpe>mordy: what did you use to download "boot.img.gz"?
12:11<mordy>i'm using a custom installer that i downloaded because i've got a gbit ethernet
12:12<mordy>snoggle - zcat
12:12<mordy>you mean browser/manager? i've tried with kget and opera
12:12<snogglethorpe>no, how did you write that file to disk?
12:12<mordy>zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda
12:12<qq> la documentation considèrent qu'on prépare la clé sur un système du MÊME TYPE que la machine sur laquelle nous voulons démarrer la Debian
12:12<snogglethorpe>mordy: cause some old web browsers would "uncompress" the file automatically, without removing the ".gz"
12:12<mordy>snoggle - it boots fine - you know my problem
12:12<snogglethorpe>mordy: ok
12:12<mordy>no, this is an iso
12:13<snogglethorpe>mordy: right ok
12:13<mordy>http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
12:13<snogglethorpe>so you did the mount and then you copied on the .iso
12:13<mordy>ahh.. i should do that?
12:13<snogglethorpe>mount /dev/sda /mnt
12:13<snogglethorpe>cp /tmp/whatever.iso /mnt
12:13<snogglethorpe>umount /tmp
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12:13<snogglethorpe>[that's on the old system]
12:14<snogglethorpe>you might need "mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt"
12:14<snogglethorpe>[also I'm assuming /dev/sda is the right device -- on my system I use a scsi main disk so it's actually /dev/sdb]
12:15<snogglethorpe>[makes the example command lines in the docs kinda dangerous!]
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12:15<mordy>meh, i'm still getting clumsy permission errors
12:15<mordy>mount -rw makes it writeable - no?
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12:15<mordy>(and yes, i'm root)
12:15<snogglethorpe>mordy: are you doin the mount as root?
12:15<snogglethorpe>ok
12:16<mordy>jinx
12:16<snogglethorpe>mordy: -orw should be for writable i think
12:16<mordy>snoggle - it's bad practice, but i pretty much do everything as root
12:16<snogglethorpe>but surely that's the defaul, unless your usb stick has some kind of wonky write-protect thing
12:16<mordy>meh, it doesn't
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12:17<snogglethorpe>so you do the mount, and it complains?
12:17<snogglethorpe>what's the erorr?
12:18<mordy>it complains when i want to copy files
12:18<mordy>maybe it's just the partition
12:18<mordy>gfarted
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12:18<snogglethorpe>mordy: i don't think there's any partition on the usb stick
12:18<mordy>snoggle - i've made one :D
12:19<snogglethorpe>can you put a transcript on a pastey site or somethign?
12:20<mordy>ok -
12:20<snogglethorpe>also, are you following these instructions: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s03.html
12:20<snogglethorpe>?
12:20<mordy>yes yes yes yes
12:20<snogglethorpe>ok
12:20<mordy>but i'm trying something different - i've tried that - but i get the can't find iso error
12:20<snogglethorpe>which option are you using, the "easy" way or the "flexible" way?
12:20<mordy>you know -what iw as complainign about yesterday
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12:21<snogglethorpe>mordy: yeah I know
12:21<mordy>i've tried both - although i find the 'flexible' way easier than the 'easy' way
12:21<mordy>:D
12:21<snogglethorpe>but my model of what's going on isn't entirely solid
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12:22<mordy>snoggle - know what? let's start again from the beginning
12:22<mordy>we'll do a step by step comparison and see what happens
12:22<snogglethorpe>mordy: well i'm doing the same thing right now, modul my lack of disk space to dowload the .iso
12:22<snogglethorpe>trying to free up some disk space right now
12:22<mordy>snoggle - for now let's just use foo.iso
12:23<snogglethorpe>but i still need to finish building the hwardware so I can't actually test anything for a couple of hours probably
12:23<mordy>if it's a bad iso, it will complain - my problem si that it doesn't find the iso
12:23<mordy>ouch
12:23<snogglethorpe>yeah
12:23<snogglethorpe>you might try mounting the iso on the _old_ system, using a loopback mount
12:23<snogglethorpe>and that way you can see if the image is bad or not
12:23<mordy>yeah, it works - i haven't had an iso problem
12:24<snogglethorpe>bizro
12:24<mordy>i think there's a quick workaround - i could probabl;y make a custom installer and have it load files from the usb without actually looking for an iso - but i don't know what needs to be done
12:24<snogglethorpe>and are you using etch or lenny installer (before you were using etch I think)
12:24<mordy>i've tried both - but both ahve the same proble,
12:24<snogglethorpe>weird
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12:25<mordy>snoggle - i don't know if the fact that the target drive is currently ntfs has anything to do with it
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12:27<mordy>i'm doing the zcat now
12:27<mordy>zcat essentially extracts the image and does a dd - right?
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12:28<ircMonkey>off-topic: would someone know where I could find html names for the phonetics characters?
12:31<mordy>!pastebin
12:31<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
12:33<mordy>snogglethorpe: http://paste.lisp.org/display/63944
12:33<mordy>i don't know if it will tell you anything new -though
12:33<qq>mordy: have you used that initial ramdisk ? >>>> /hd-media/initrd.gz <<<<, or the one from the netboot directory ?
12:34<mordy>qq - the former - /hd-media
12:34<qq>ok
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12:35<qq>zcat /home/mordy/boot/boot.img.gz > /dev/sda ?
12:35<mordy>qq - yes
12:35<mordy>you see the output
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12:36<snogglethorpe>mordy: I think you should stop trying to screw around with partitioning and just use the entire device, as the instructions say
12:37<snogglethorpe>mordy: the above zcat is going to trash the partition table anyway
12:37<mordy>snogglethorpe - i used the entire device - the reason there are four partitions, from what i've read, is that it wants to emulate a zip drive, wherein the primry and bootable partition is the fourth one
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12:38<mordy>snogglethorpe: in other words, the partioning now is a result of the zcat - since i zcat-ed to the device itself, (dev/sda) and not to a particular partition (e.g. /dev/sda*)
12:39<snogglethorpe>but in that transcript, you never actually mount the whole device
12:39<snogglethorpe>in the instructions it just says "mount /dev/sda /mnt"
12:39<snogglethorpe>(no partition)
12:39<mordy>hmm...
12:39<snogglethorpe>and when I tried it, only the whole-device mount worked
12:39<mordy>let me try again then
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12:40<mordy>it doesn't let me mount the whole device
12:40<snogglethorpe>mordy: weird
12:40<snogglethorpe>i wonder if you're using teh same image I'm using...
12:41<snogglethorpe>argh... usb 1.1...
12:41<client>i just set up my dual screen and it seems to be two seprate desktops, each screen has its own k menu, trashbin.... i would be intrested in finding out more about how to handle such a situation, can anyone tell me where to get more info on this?
12:41<mordy>snoggle- where'd you get it from? i'm using this one: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/
12:41<snogglethorpe>http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz
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12:41<mordy>snoggle - the only thing 'irregular' is that i'm using amd-64, but the target machine is i386 - btu that shouldn't cause a problem
12:41<qq>he use a 64 machine for target of 32
12:41<qq>that is
12:42<snogglethorpe>anyway i'm gonna go back to hardware
12:42<mordy>ok
12:42<mordy>enjoy
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12:46<davi>Why my ECB does not load any C++ file?
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12:50<fxiny>davi: M-x ecb tab >> ecb-activate
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12:51<davi>fxiny, that is done
12:51<fxiny>it should work then
12:51<davi>fxiny, I have the ecb active, and I have loaded a ecb-source-path
12:53<davi>Note: I have emacs-cvs compiled by hand, and the last ECB compiled by hand too
12:53<davi> Add the new source-path also for future-sessions? (y or n) n
12:54<fxiny>davi: i'm using official debian etch ecb : perfect
12:54<fxiny>davi: try : M-x customize-option RET
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12:55<davi>I did already set the source path via M-x customize-option RET
12:55<davi>It does not fix the problem
12:56<davi>I use Debian etch too. Maybe I will have to go back to use the debian emacs packages
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12:56<fxiny>davi: why not ? :)
12:56<davi>Let's delay such decision :)
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12:57<davi>thanks for your help
12:57<fxiny>davi: np , checked the on line help ? M-x ecb-show-help
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12:58<valdyn>client: you want to enable xinerama or read nvidia readme if you are using nvidia drivers
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13:02<davi>fxiny, I just followed the installation of the README files at the tar balls.
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13:03<davi>thanks for the advice. I have taken a quick look, but I will delay such task due to I am now busy with some PHP code
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13:07<mordy>gah, i'm still stuck on this usb install
13:07<mordy>X(
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13:18<qq>mordy: that's your problem : 64<--->32 : the machines used must be the same type [source and target], read carefully the documentation, don't tell us to read that for you
13:19<Nyaa>OK, so I'm on KVMoIP. I've got the first etch CD in the drive. It refuses to boot even if I explicitly set it to boot from CD. What can I do about it?
13:19<mordy>qq: which section?
13:19<qq>all
13:19<mordy>qq: which section speaks about 32><64?
13:23<mordy>i'm looking at the manual - i can't find anything about it - which manual?
13:23<mordy>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual - this one?
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13:26*mordy is lost
13:27<fxiny> /me bloodhounds on the way
13:27<fxiny>ops
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13:29<mordy>qq: what is the solution then if i can't do 64>32
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13:37<nobie>hi guy
13:37<nobie>anybody know is there any software can convert flv to mp3 ?
13:39<Torsten_W>mnecoder
13:39<Torsten_W>mencoder
13:40<nobie>thanks Torsten_W
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13:50<FregTuX>ciao
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13:54<obolus>hi, my kde does not start
13:54<obolus>it says there is no pty
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13:55<draft>hi
13:55<draft>i'm trying to mount an iso on my debian systemw with "mount -o loop -t iso9660 a.iso /media/iso" However, i got this in dmesg : "ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format.", and "file a.iso" says 'a.iso: data' does anyone know how to mount the file please ?
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14:05<oahong>draft, what about `mount -o loop a.iso /media/iso`?
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14:07<draft>it says i must specify the fs type...
14:07<mordy>draft, what are you trying to mount?
14:08<mordy>sigh, i'm having my own mounting troubles - but not with iso
14:10<draft>an iso downloaded over bit torrent
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14:10<mordy>draft - can you try to open the iso with something else maybe?
14:10<mordy>sounds like the image is corrupted. not all isos will mount
14:11<draft>well what would be the something else ?
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14:11<mordy>try err... k3b
14:11<fxiny>draft: : file a.iso data ? that is not a iso , your last chance is for a .daa file which file iirc detects as data
14:12<mordy>just to check if the iso is actually good
14:12<draft>well i'm actually calculating his md5 sum
14:12<slashme>Hi! I just did a security upgrade on my Debian Etch system, and ever since, my X.org has been crashing every time I do anything using GL, my xserver crashes.
14:12<draft>fxiny, iirc ?
14:13<mordy>draft: if i remember correctly, acronym
14:13<fxiny>draft: if i recall/rememnber correctly
14:13<slashme>The error I get at the end of my C log is something in Hex by XF86SigHandler.
14:13<slashme>s/C/X/
14:13<draft>thanks fxiny & mordy
14:14<fxiny>draft: anyway make sure you provide a valid mount point when mounting
14:14<stevecotton>slashme - are you using a driver downloaded from Nvidia?
14:14<mordy>i think i need a walkthrough for the usb install. i'm not doing something correctly - i don't know what
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14:15<slashme>stevecotton, yep.
14:15<mordy>qq said something about not being able to create an image properly for a x86 target machine using x64, but i haven't seen anything on that
14:16<stevecotton>you have to rerun the Nvidia driver installer, which insists that you quit X before running it :(
14:16<slashme>stevecotton, thanks!!!
14:16<stevecotton>no problem, has happened to me often
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14:17<mordy>should i just try tftp?
14:17<mordy>but that's a long haul, and if something is wrong with the image itself, for some odd reason, then it wouldn't fix my problem
14:17<Enforcer>I have a USB hard drive plugged in, how do I find what /dev it is and mount it?
14:18<Enforcer>it's NTFS
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14:18<Enforcer>read only
14:18<mordy>enforcer: ls /dev/sd*
14:19<draft>fxiny, what is a valid mount point ? a directory that exists ?
14:19<mordy>draft - yes
14:19<mordy>a directory that exists --- and doesn't have anything else mounted to it
14:19<Enforcer>sda or sdb?
14:19<mordy>draft: mount -l to see all your current mounts
14:19<draft>ok
14:20<mordy>enforcer - it depends. if you know the size of your disk, all you need to do is see - ls /dev/sd* would give you either sdb or sda
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14:20<mordy>type this without the quotes "ls /dev/sd*" - type the asterisk too
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14:21<mordy>enforcer - or just do fdisk -l
14:21<Enforcer>the filetype is ntfs so what do I type
14:21<Enforcer>mount -t ?
14:21<mordy>enforcer - it's read only without any ntfs-3g - you can't read-write unless you have that plugin
14:22<mordy>you can add backports to your repository and apt-get ntfs-3g (i think)
14:22<mordy>also requires the FUSE libraries
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14:22<van_dankenstein>hey has anybody had problems with vlc?
14:22<Enforcer>wtf
14:23<mordy>enforcer - you can also just use gparted
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14:23<Enforcer>I just wanna type mount 'mount type' /dev/sda /media/usb
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14:24<mordy>hmm... never used mount with type - i'm pretty new to this
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14:27<chealer>van_dankenstein: yes
14:27<Enforcer>whats lines do I need to add for backports?
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14:27<mordy>enforcer.. let me check
14:27<mordy>hehe, backports are 'evil', btw
14:28<Txt_file>!backports
14:28<dpkg>[backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
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14:28<Enforcer>?
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14:31<mordy>just google it i guess
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14:33<Enforcer>but what are the lines I need to add to /etc/apt/sources.list for backports
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14:34<mordy>enforcer: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free
14:34<mordy>assuming you're using etch and want contrib and non-free sources as well
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14:37<Enforcer>why?
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14:39<Villarroel>Hi!
14:40<noflash>!tell Enforcer -about backports
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14:41<Villarroel>I have just updated & upgraded my lenny, now I get erros like "error while loading shared libraries... invalid ELF header" also some packages cannot be configured, dpkg says, "Exec format error".
14:44<fxiny> /part
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14:44<Villarroel>Sometimes complains about Glib versions. So I manually update libglib2.0-0 and libglib2.0-data and from sid. 2.16.3-2 -> 2.16.4-2
14:45<Enforcer> GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136Cntrib non-free
14:46<Enforcer>ntfs-3g: Depends: libfuse2 (>= 2.6) but 2.5.3-4.4 is to be installed
14:46<Enforcer>E: Broken packages
14:47<mordy>enforcer - apt-get update
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14:49<Enforcer>I keep gettin that same fuckin error
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14:51<mordy>enforcer - it's a pain indeed
14:51<mordy>i had that same error. forgot what i did to fix it -
14:52<mordy>i think what you need to do is comment out your backports, entirely remove libfuse, install libfuse from the offficial packages, then install ntfs-3g
14:52<mordy>(before installing ntfs-3g, make sure to de-comment your backport)
14:52<Villarroel>file /usr/lib/libxfce4mcs-manager.so.3.0.5 --- /usr/lib/libxfce4mcs-manager.so.3.0.5: data
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14:53<mordy>err.. sorry - i didn't pay attention - install libfuse then - from backports
14:54<mordy>use apt-get install -t http://www.backports.org/debian etch-stable libfuse2
14:54<mordy>not sure about the syntax, but that's the idea
14:55<mordy>anyway - i've got the logs from the installer - http://paste.lisp.org/display/63948 - i can't seem to see anything abnormal about them
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14:58<mordy>:((
14:58*mordy sobs and cries
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15:18<Enforcer>how do I setup my alsa card?
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15:24<Enforcer>???
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15:25<MXIIA>What softwares come preinstalled on the Debian CD?
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15:28<qq>which one ?
15:30<MXIIA>ia64
15:30<qq>MXIIA: Debian has more than 20 cdroms ... per architecture
15:30<MXIIA>Do they all have different preinstalled software?
15:30<mordy>qq: where did you find that bit about 32>64 installation?
15:31<qq>ia64 is itanium , not amd64
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15:31<qq>mordy: in mine head
15:32-!-mode/#debian [+l 365] by debhelper
15:32<mordy>lol qq
15:32<qq>try to find it also in yours
15:32<MXIIA>Is there a difference between the different CDs?
15:34<Villarroel>I have fixed the problem. The upgrade was interrupted by a reboot, and the disk get corrupted.
15:34<Villarroel>Bye.
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15:35<mordy>qq: i don't understand how 64/32 can come into play if all i'm doing is filesystem
15:35<mordy>s
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15:35<mordy>i'm not copying *my* kernel to the flash disk
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16:21<mordy>is there a way to see the progress of cp commands?
16:22<henrique>Brasilian users?
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16:23<stevecotton>mordy> df
16:23<mordy>cp -df ....?
16:24<stevecotton>no, the df command
16:24<mordy>instead of cp?
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16:25<stevecotton>df - report file system disk space usage
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16:26<stevecotton>It's not a precise way, but assuming you're copying one huge file it does let you work out how it's progressing.
16:26<stevecotton>cp -v if you're copying lots of files
16:26<mordy>oh
16:26<mordy>yeah, cp -v is more what i'm looking for
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16:27<mordy>stevecotton - i've made some progress in my usb boot though
16:27<mordy>:D
16:27<mordy>but i still can't get the 2GB stick to contain a 644MB iso
16:28<mordy>it only works when i do the 'easy' way, i.e. zcat boot.img.gz > <stick>
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16:28<mordy>the trick was sync after every command
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16:30<stevecotton>that suggests a bug somewhere. Are you umounting it before unplugging the stick?
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16:30<mordy>stevecotton - yes
16:31<mordy>stevecotton - i can get it to boot using the 'easy' way - and i can also copy a smaller iso to the stick -and it reads form the stick (that's how i know i've made any progrss altogether in the first place)
16:33<mordy>well, to start things from a clean slate, i formatted the disk to fat16, mkdosfs /dev/sda1, syslinux /dev/sda1, then copied inirtd, vmlinuz and made a syslinux.cfg and it doesn't boot from it
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16:33<mordy>this is the etch installer
16:35<Nyaa>i686-bigmem or x86_64? I have 4 GiB of RAM and an X3350.
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16:35<mordy>am i downloading the wrong images?
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16:36<Txt-file>nyaa: where is the question?
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16:37<mordy>stevecotton - is ldlinux.sys the bootloader for syslinux?
16:37<mordy>maybe it's broken - maybe i should get one from the internet
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16:40<musca>Nyaa: keep it simple, have more fun ...
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16:42<Nyaa>So, I take it you're saying i386 is way to go?
16:42<Nyaa>is the way*
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16:42<musca>Nyaa: there is no short answer, depends on your applications
16:43<Nyaa>If I remember correctly, MySQL doesn't really care if it's 32 or 64. I don't know about Apache.
16:43<Nyaa>It's mostly an AMP box.
16:44<musca>Nyaa: OSS is not the problem, the non-free apps are
16:44<sheldonh>Nyaa: then it doesn't matter. stick with the best tested platform (probably still i386)
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16:45<Nyaa>http://www.scribd.com/doc/363677/Benchmarks-AMD64-in-32bit-mode-vs-64bit-mode-Ubuntu
16:46<Nyaa>10%-20% gain would be enough incentive.
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16:47<sheldonh>Nyaa: sounds like there's no thinking left for you
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16:48<Nyaa>No, doesn't seem like it. Especially if what musca said is true.
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16:48<EricB>mysql works fine on 64bit
16:49<Nyaa>This ISP is so stupid though. They put an ia64 disc in the tray and expected me to install with that one. Xeon X3350 CPU. Way to go.
16:49<sheldonh>Nyaa: correct. non-fringe functionality is usually just as reliable on the 64bit platforms
16:49<sheldonh>Nyaa: you run into the odd boggle. spent a few hours on an nfsv4 incompatibility on the amd64 port 2 weeks ago
16:50<Nyaa>I know about my applications' stability under 64-bit since I've used them with FreeBSD on lots of machines. I was mostly curious about Debian's state. I remember that not so long ago amd64 wasn't officially supported.
16:51<Nyaa>This box will operate independently. RAM-disk is about the most esoteric thing it will use.
16:51<sheldonh>Nyaa: does such a small performance gain really matter?
16:52<Nyaa>~20% is a huge performance gain.
16:53<sheldonh>Nyaa: guess we play in different spaces :)
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16:56<Nyaa>Well, it's not ground-breaking like going from single- to dual-core but 20% is still a lot if all it means is using another installation disc.
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16:57<dz777>hhh
16:57<sheldonh>Nyaa: that _may_ be all it means. or, it may mean days of fun tracking down a fringe problem. probably not, though, given your mainstream application (LAMP)
16:57<Nyaa>Yeah, I figured.
16:57<dz777>anybody know how to load linux drivers on debian
16:58<qq>insmod ?
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16:59<dz777>i need to install drivers for my display. give me an example. new to linux
17:00<dz777>where do i get linux drivers from?
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17:01<sheldonh>dz777: you start with your hardware. wotcha got?
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17:02<dz777>intel graphics card x3100 cant find drivers on sourceforge
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17:03<caffn>Hi!
17:04<sheldonh>dz777: and are we talking about drivers for xorg-x11?
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17:06<dz777>xorg11 drivers only give me vesa/vga drivers. it does not support my intel driver. Intel GMA x3100
17:07<sheldonh>dz777: if what you need is the xserver-xorg-video-intel package, i don't think it's available in etch. it'll come with lenny
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17:40<gass>can we subscribe a particulary bug from the btss?
17:40<gass>can we subscribe a particulary bug from the bts?
17:41<Lethalman>gass, you have to send the email with the right headers
17:41<gass>i tried subscribe: numberOfTheBug ... but it did not work
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17:42<Lethalman>gass, if you open the bug in the web there's a Subscribe link
17:43<sheldonh>12345-subscribe@bugs.debian.org
17:43<Lethalman>gass, you can also use the 'bts' command
17:44<gass>Lethalman, true ... there in the beginning ... thanks :P
17:44<Lethalman>yw
17:44<gass>Lethalman, i did not knew the existence of a command line bts tool
17:44<gass>great
17:45*gass was sick of sending an email just to tag pending
17:45<Lethalman>gass, *didn't know*
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17:47<gass>Lethalman, sorry ... bad english on this side :(
17:47<Lethalman>gass, here too :)
17:49<gass>and because it's not my mother tongue i get the verb times mixed up
17:50<gass>is it true that debin has poor fonts than the competition?
17:50<gass>http://fak3r.com/2008/07/17/howto-fix-fonts-in-debian-lennysid/
17:50<qq>gass what's your native language ?
17:51<gass>Portuguese from Portugal :P
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17:51<qq>ok
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18:16<creeed>hello friends
18:16<dbbolton>hello
18:16<creeed>I just wanna ask where/how can I read the content of my swap partition?
18:16<dbbolton>why would you want to?
18:17<creeed>just for fun! ^^
18:17<dbbolton>i don't know if you can, since it isn't really a filesystem
18:18<dbbolton>its contents are probably not human readable anyway
18:18<dbbolton>but i really don't know
18:18<creeed>okay
18:19<creeed>do you know how can I push an application from the swap partition into my memory!
18:19<Txt_file> knows anyone anything about Battlefield 2 server??
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18:20<creeed>I know that makes the OS automatically but I wanna do it explicitly!
18:21<musca> creeed Do you think of preventing an application from being swaped off the memory?
18:22<themill>creeed: is this from when you wake up after suspend-to-disk?
18:22<creeed>I opened a file, who took all my memory and pushed other applications from it, now every time whene I use a funktion from my application, the Os loads just the frame for this funktion into the memory!
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18:23<creeed>musca, that'll be not bad at all!
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18:25<gass>there is a new Debian Mantainer post ... but i lack to know where can we apply for
18:26<musca>creed: maybe there is kind of sticky-bit, but i don't know yet
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18:27<themill>!swapwake
18:27<dpkg>After hibernation, you can load back into memory as much as possible from swap and also load files back into the kernel's file cache to help reduce the disk thrashing that occurs when waking up after suspend-to-disk: cat `cat /proc/[0-9]*/maps | grep / | sed 's:.* /:/:' | grep -v /dev | sort -u` > /dev/null
18:29<creeed>themill, yes it is
18:29<creeed>thanks
18:29<themill>That might work for you then... good luck :)
18:29<creeed>this: cat `cat /proc/[0-9]*/maps | grep / | sed 's:.* /:/:' | grep -v /dev | sort -u` > /dev/null ?
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18:34<themill>yeah, that will cause as much as possible of what is currently in use to be loaded into memory
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18:35<k-man>hi
18:35<k-man>whats the status of the fglrx drivers and 2.6.26?
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18:38<Txt_file>k-man: 2.6.26 is finished and
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18:41<caffn>Newest fglrx has a bug when working with wine, i believe. Fullscreen would scramble the screen
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19:31<FirstLook>ello
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19:32<baseline>hi all
19:33<baseline>/192.168.1.2 /media/mp3 smbfs username=,password=,rw,user,dmask=777,fmask=777,utf8 0 0 <-- this i write in my fstab to mount my windows-dir, but it don't work mit "mount -a" can anybody help me?
19:39<enouf>baseline: mit?
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19:41<baseline>ner lösung :)
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19:41<enouf> /192.168.1.2 /media/mp3 smbfs username=xxxx,password=xxxxx,rw,user,umask=002,utf8 0 0 <-- i would prolly try that for fat32 FS, and make sure samba pkg is installed - also maybe try cifs if it's ntfs on the other side
19:43<enouf>is /media/mp3 owned by your user:group ? i chown my mount points
19:44<enouf>and isn't the utf8 stuff supposed to be in iocharset=utf-8, cp=XXXX or somethhing format? man smbmount?
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19:51<Txt_file>baseline: have you read the sambapages in wiki.debian.org?
19:51<FirstLook>anyone have any good links for managing windows clients, with a debian distro
19:52<Txt_file>firstlook: more precisely??
19:52<FirstLook>things like printers, user accounts, network shares, internet
19:53<Txt_file>user-acc's I don't know
19:53<Txt_file>but for the other things there should be a way
19:53<baseline>http://wiki.debian.org/ <- perfect, thx for the link
19:53<baseline>i dont know him...
19:53<FirstLook>thanks for the help
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19:54<FirstLook>i think theres an app with redhat but i would rather stick with debain. i will have a look into it
19:55<Txt_file>firstlook: have you an old pc for setting up as a server?
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19:56<chico-cam-lega>se
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19:56<Txt_file>FirstLook: network share: samba!
19:57<Txt_file>FirstLook: http://wiki.debian.org/SAMBAClientSetup and http://wiki.debian.org/SAMBAServerSetup
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20:07<FirstLook>thanks guys SAMBA is just what i am looking for
20:08<FirstLook>txt_file: thanks mate.
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20:10<Txt_file>FirstLook: you are welcome
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20:37<stevecotton>Please could I have a strawpoll about bug #490934 ? Using DebTorrent means other users can see which packages you've downloaded. Should we assume users won't grok what "torrent" implies, and explictly warn them?
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20:39<Vi^3PirePengy>hey all i have a 2.6.25-2-486 kernel and its reporting my memory wrong... its saying i have <1gb when i actually have 2gb installed and the bios recognizes 2gb... why?
20:39<Simon43>use a 686
20:39<Vi^3PirePengy>why would that make a diff?
20:41<path><Simon43> use a 686
20:41<path>:)
20:43<Simon43>Vi^3PirePengy: cause there are no features like smp or highmem in the default 486 kernel
20:43<Vi^3PirePengy>hey that explains it
20:43<Vi^3PirePengy>lol
20:43<Simon43>(-:
20:43<Vi^3PirePengy>ty sir
20:43<Vi^3PirePengy>its dl'g now
20:44<Vi^3PirePengy>okay ill brb
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20:48<drzel>hi there
20:48<caffn>Hi
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20:49<drzel>I installed lenny and kde4 after using etch for nearly two years and it feels like I had upgraded my laptop not my OS
20:51<drzel>No fans anymore, lenny seems so lean, but I fear that the temperature-sensors not right
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20:51<Vi^3PirePengy>well by george ill just be hornswaggled
20:51<Vi^3PirePengy>it worked
20:51<Vi^3PirePengy>roflmao
20:51<caffn>Hm.. If ur computer crashes the sensors didnt work right ;D
20:51<Vi^3PirePengy>was fine on teh default etch netinst disc
20:52<drzel>I use i8k a Dell D600
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20:53<drzel>:) I dont have experience is 48 C hdd temp OK ?
20:53<xbj9000>pretty normal
20:53<Vi^3PirePengy>my processor temp is 44-49C usually
20:53<Vi^3PirePengy>on a full size lappie and my eee
20:53<caffn>48c on hd is not bad
20:54*caffn still wants to buy an eee
20:54<drzel>proc temp is between 50 and 67 depending on load
20:54<greenranch>evening all, I love Debian : ) anyone know what packages would be like a sat act type study
20:54<drzel>that seems normal, I guess
20:55<drzel>kde4 !
20:55<xbj9000>mininote seems better than eee, I hope they start putting the Isaiah CPU in them
20:55<FirstLook>hey all, i am looing to create an image of a hard drive, anyone recoment a good tool (somthing bootable) as not to use the default hard drive in the computer?
20:55<caffn>drzel > like i said, if it's a fairly modern computer it will shutdown whenever it gets too hot. So you might try to stress the pc as much as you can, and see if it holds up. If yes > all ok. If no > time to investigate :)
20:55<xbj9000>firstlook I would guess Knoppix live linux would have those types of tools
20:56<FirstLook>xbj9000: thanks i will have a look
20:56<caffn>Yeah.. Knoppix, ubuntu.. or any other linux-live-cd.. Then create in image with dd
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20:56<caffn>Mininote looks nice btw
20:56<greenranch>I am looking for opensource applications that would assess academic knowledge, like flashcards to study and maybe a quiz generator "scored 30 out of 40 correctly" etc
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20:57<drzel>caffn > it feels ok, but its completly different with lenny and the fans are not reacting at the temperatures I define in GKrellM with i8k
20:57<drzel>But the fans are working, but a little later...
20:57<xbj9000>I'm still waiting for Wolvix to boot in a laptop with 48mb ram
20:57<xbj9000>haha
20:57<caffn>Perhaps lenny understands how to shutdown the fans :D
20:59<Vi^3PirePengy>kde has a flashcard program
20:59<greenranch>is there perhaps another forum that discusses this?
20:59<greenranch>ok ty : )
21:00<q0q>kwordquiz
21:00<greenranch>ty : )
21:00<q0q>granule - flashcard program for learning new words
21:01<q0q>anki - flashcard learning program with special support for Japanese
21:02*caffn is in love with the mininote..
21:02<xbj9000>ha
21:02<xbj9000>did you just discover it?
21:02<caffn>Yeah, didnt seen it before
21:03*caffn wonders why
21:03<drzel>anybody tried gpg with kmail from kde4 ? It doesnt work and I dont know if I configured something wrong or if its a bug...
21:03<xbj9000>some people complain about it's Via CPU
21:03<caffn>Hm, it is pretty expensive..
21:04<xbj9000>but I'm sure it's fast enough, I'm still using a Pentium II
21:04<caffn>555 euro's, as where the cheapest eee is only 250 euro's
21:04<caffn>Lol.. Oldskool P II :D
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21:04<xbj9000>Thinkpad 390E
21:05<caffn>Yeah
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21:06<mordy_>how long would a dd if=/dev/zero of=<80GB/5400RPM 2.5 disk> take approximately?
21:06*caffn still needs something besides his desktop.. Eee or msi wind or mininote is nice and small, but for the same money i can get me a fullsize 15" laptop.. :P
21:06<xbj9000>caffn: depends on what you use your laptop for
21:06<mordy_>hehe, i'm trying to install debian on this msi wind
21:07<caffn>Yeah, true
21:07<mordy_>msi wind is a pos - but it's cheap
21:07<xbj9000>caffn you could get a new Thinkpad with SuSe preloaded and save a little money
21:07<mordy_>caffn - get one of those sony vgn models - they're lovely
21:07<mordy_>wonderful screens
21:07<caffn>Hm.. Not sure of they sell ANY pc (except the eee) with linux in the netherlands ;D
21:07<mordy_>ibms are always more expensive
21:07<caffn>Sonys are nice
21:07<xbj9000>I just set up a new Thinkpad for someone, no issues
21:07<mordy_>lol caffn
21:08<mordy_>ibm machines are horses- but so are older hp booktops
21:08<xbj9000>on the lenovo site you can find some models with SuSe
21:08<mordy_>or deskbooks
21:08<Vi^3PirePengy>i have a lenovo 3000 c200 that works great with lenny
21:08<greenranch>I have found debian to be very light in resource usage, anyone known of some opensource benchmarks, I would like to buy with price performance
21:09<mordy_>greenranch, i think lenny has one preinstalled
21:09<Vi^3PirePengy>and of course my eee works great with the eee repos
21:09<caffn>Hm, yeah, lenovo = ibm = good.. Ghehe
21:09<Vi^3PirePengy>i drool over the x300 64gb ssd with 10 hr battery life
21:09<mordy_>caffn - but you'd pay an extra $300 for any IBM machine
21:09<Vi^3PirePengy>but i dont have $3k
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21:09<Vi^3PirePengy>soooooooooooo
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21:10<mordy_>ibm also makes poor LCDs
21:10<dbbolton>has anyone had trouble with the ati driver in lenny ?
21:10<caffn>Although my boss would rather see me buy a fujitsu ;D
21:10<xbj9000>they do make poor LCDs, the new one I set up has a dead pixel
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21:10<mordy_>caffn - good thing about the msi wind though is that it's durable
21:10<xbj9000>although this old one that's actually an IBM and not Lenovo has a good screen
21:11<mordy_>it's not flimsy - what's bad about is that it uses a 2.5 drive - which is absurd
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21:11<mordy_>i think if msi put their act together, they could make a much lighter and better laptop for a bit more money - but it would be much more popular
21:12<mordy_>the only thing flimsy about the msi wind are its components - not the case :D
21:12<mordy_>and the keyboard is downright horrible
21:12<q0q>CPU Info Pentium II (Deschutes) 512 KB cache flags( - ) clocked at [ 447.689 MHz ]
21:12<q0q> Memory 82.8/186.4MB
21:12<q0q>gnome 2.22
21:13<mordy_>how long would a dd if=/dev/zero of=<80GB/5400RPM 2.5 disk> take approximately?
21:13<q0q>4-5 h
21:13<mordy_>dammit
21:13<q0q>x 2
21:13<mordy_>can i just cancel it in the middle?
21:13<drzel>dells d600 is a good machine too, it runs and runs and runs, but only 2 hours battery, and I cannot guess the real lifetime, cuz the acpi of the d600 is not really well supported
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21:14<mordy_>msi wind goes down after about an hour
21:14<mordy_>:|
21:14<caffn>Lol
21:14<mordy_>you can get a sony vgn-tx7/6xx on ebay for about %600
21:14<caffn>Only 1 hour..? That sux ;D
21:14<mordy_>$600
21:14<caffn>Hm.. Let me see..
21:14<mordy_>and it's an excellent computer, 6 hr battery, 1366x768 resolution on a 10 inch screen
21:14<drzel>hmm, my gatway is a hp omnibook 6000 it goes down after only 1 hour too
21:15<mordy_>it's as small and as light as the eee or wind and is the same price
21:15<caffn>Sounds very nice indeed
21:15<mordy_>i had one- but it doesn't work - i punched the LCD
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21:15<caffn>None on enbay at the moment
21:15<mordy_>and today i tried powering it up without the LCD and it just didn't work - i think i fried it :(
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21:15<mordy_>caffn - you checked?
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21:16<caffn>Yeah
21:16<mordy_>i saw a few the other week
21:16<mordy_>caffn - take this for example http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-VAIO-VGN-TX650P-TX-Series-Laptop_W0QQitemZ300243178548QQihZ020QQcategoryZ177QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
21:17<caffn>The LCD is CRACKED. LCD bezel is also cracked and partially missing.
21:18<mordy_>hmm... yeah, you're right - nothing there
21:18<mordy_>ouch
21:18<caffn>Lol ;D Nice one if you dont look at the screen ;D
21:18<mordy_>lol
21:18<mordy_>didn't pay attention to it :(
21:18<mordy_>now i feel even worse about my laptop being fried
21:18<mordy_>i just don't know how it happens. it's not the first laptop i fried
21:18<caffn>Hahaha
21:18<mordy_>:((
21:18<mordy_>i don't know if it's fried - but i guess it's fried if it doesn't power on
21:19<caffn>Yeah, i think so
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21:19<mordy_>how does it happen? :((
21:19<mordy_>is that tiny drive what they call ssd?
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21:19<snogglethorpe>mordy_: hey, did you ever get your installation prob sorted?
21:20<xbj9000>I can never get my Toshiba 435CDS to recognize my pcmcia wifi card that is known to work in other laptops
21:20<mordy_>snogglethorpe - i'm working on it
21:20<mordy_>i'm zeroing my target hd
21:20<caffn>Hm.. U know.. Since the dollar is really low compared to the euro, it might even be a good idea to buy a laptop from the states.. :o Would save me a lot of money ;D
21:20<snogglethorpe>hm
21:20<xbj9000>'resource temporarily unavailable' it always says
21:20<snogglethorpe>mordy_: how far has the installation gotten now?
21:20<mordy_>snoggle - hasn't gone any further
21:20<snogglethorpe>ok
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21:21<mordy_>snoggle - i've figured that the target hd is messing up the installation
21:21<snogglethorpe>mordy_: i built my hardware and have been doing the installation
21:21<mordy_>hehe
21:21<mordy_>working?
21:21<snogglethorpe>mordy_: well, the installer boots, and gets as far as the menu, but then I get a weird error when it's looking for the .iso
21:22<snogglethorpe>mordy_: it says something like "Failed to copy files from ..."
21:22<drzel>is this a usb stick install?
21:22<snogglethorpe>drzel: yeah
21:22<FirstLook>sorry i got disconnected, anyone have any info on cacheing
21:22<drzel>same with me, i guess the usb image is broken
21:22<mordy_>snoggle - cmp the isos?
21:23<snogglethorpe>mordy_: well the thing is, if I start a sub-shell, and look around, it becomes clear that it _has_ successfully mounted the iso image on /cdrom
21:23<mordy_>hmm...
21:23<drzel>I burnt a CD, even though I just bought the USB-Stick to not have to
21:23<mordy_>it could just be a bad iso or a version mismatch
21:23<mordy_>it's not the case by me though
21:23<snogglethorpe>and the stuff in /cdrom looks "ok" as far as I can tell (I honestly don't know what's supposed to be in the .iso)
21:24<mordy_>this is a debian iso? official?
21:24<drzel>mordy you managed an Usb-install?
21:24<snogglethorpe>mordy_: lenny beta 2
21:24<snogglethorpe>I've been looking around with google, and getting some hints, ... but am still not sure what to do next
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21:24<drzel>mordy > I tried a hundred times
21:24<mordy_>drzel - no
21:25<snogglethorpe>it looks like maybe some people seem to have unmounted /cdrom in a subshell, and that caused thinigs to work...?
21:25<mordy_>snogglethorpe - zcat works, otherwise it doesn't
21:25<mordy_>snoggle - i'm trying to copy the iso to the target hd
21:25<mordy_>is your target hd blank?
21:25<snogglethorpe>mordy_: so the mount (on th eold system) doesn't work? "mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt"?
21:25<mordy_>snoggle - it works
21:25<snogglethorpe>mordy_: it's a completely new hard drive, just removed from the sealed plastic bag, so...
21:25<mordy_>hmm...
21:26<snogglethorpe>[dunno what they put on new hard drives actually]
21:26<snogglethorpe>mordy_: so after you do that mount, what goes wrong?
21:26<snogglethorpe>mordy_: do you just copy the iso there?
21:26<Vi^3PirePengy>ive read that kde4.1 might make lenny... is this true or just someones fantasy
21:26<mordy_>snoggle - i'm trying to
21:26<snogglethorpe>mordy_: and what happens?
21:26<mordy_>well, permission denied, device busy etc.
21:26<snogglethorpe>like "cp /tmp/blah-blah.iso /mnt"
21:27<snogglethorpe>mordy_: [doing as root, of coruse...]
21:27<mordy_>"read only filersystem
21:27<mordy_>'
21:27<snogglethorpe>mordy_: does dmesg show anything interesting?
21:27<mordy_>nope
21:27<snogglethorpe>weird
21:27<snogglethorpe>maybe that usb stick is just fucked?
21:27<snogglethorpe>i head seriously no problems at that stage
21:27<mordy_>snoggle - no -it works when i zcat it
21:28<snogglethorpe>[even though I'm mounting it over a usb 1.1 connection]
21:28<snogglethorpe>can you post a transcript starting with the successful mount?
21:29<mordy_>one sec. i'm still mourning over my apparently fried laptop :((
21:29*mordy_ mourns
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21:30<enouf>have you usb image guys tried kmuto at all yet?
21:30<enouf>!kmuto
21:30<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>.
21:30<mordy_>enouf - why shoudl that help?
21:30<snogglethorpe>enouf: nope, but sounds like a reasonable idea
21:30<mordy_>and those are all isos
21:30<enouf>mordy_: why shouldn't it?
21:31<mordy_>enouf - why should it? it only add support for ethernet drivers, IIRC
21:31<mordy_>but neither of us are having that problem
21:31<enouf>but they seem to work ;-)
21:31<mordy_>enouf - meh - but i'm trying other solutions
21:31<snogglethorpe>mordy_: it'll be using the old installer infrastructuer, which might not have these weird problms
21:31<mordy_>hmm...
21:31<enouf>suit yourself ;-)
21:31<snogglethorpe>mordy_: so dunno, but maybe
21:32<enouf>no sweat off my back ;-)
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21:32<snogglethorpe>there's tantalizing hints in the bug database that it might be a new-installer issue, but I'm not srelaly sure yet
21:32<mordy_>snoggle -it works!
21:32<mordy_>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
21:32<dpkg>1
21:32<snogglethorpe>mordy_: ??
21:32<mordy_>lol
21:33<snogglethorpe>what did you try?
21:33<mordy_>snoggle - zero the disk
21:33<mordy_>or just incapacitate your local disk
21:33<snogglethorpe>mordy_: what did that change?
21:33<snogglethorpe>how weird
21:33<mordy_>snoggle - somehow the installer confuses the disk with the usb
21:34<snogglethorpe>hmm
21:34<mordy_>just f*ck up the disk
21:34<snogglethorpe>but ... how can it install to the disk then ...?
21:34<mordy_>snoggle - it will partition it
21:34<snogglethorpe>weird
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21:35<mordy_>snoggle - i don't think it's that weird - it probably mounts the first disk it find and ignores later disks
21:35<snogglethorpe>mordy_: so you mean, it's somehow looking for isos on the disk too, and something in that is confusing it?
21:35<mordy_>snoggle - it's looking for the ISOs only on the disk
21:35<snogglethorpe>how stupid
21:35<snogglethorpe>argh
21:35<mordy_>snoggle - here's how i confirmed this
21:36<mordy_>snoggle - try the installation again - don't change anything
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21:36<mordy_>open a console and cd to /hd-media
21:36<snogglethorpe>yeah
21:36<mordy_>if it's working properly, you should find your *USB*'s contents there
21:37<mordy_>and if it's not working properly, then you should find your HD on there
21:37<snogglethorpe>right
21:37<snogglethorpe>actually I found the usb contents there when I looked before
21:37<mordy_>hmm...
21:37<mordy_>then your problem is not mine :(
21:37<snogglethorpe>mordy_: but then it failed at the _next_ sarge...
21:37<snogglethorpe>state
21:37<snogglethorpe>stage
21:37<snogglethorpe>mordy_: so which .iso did you use?
21:38-!-nwerneck [~nwerneck@200-185-225-28.user.ajato.com.br] has joined #debian
21:38<mordy_>snoggle - i'm using the netinst
21:38-!-allisterb [~allisterb@cuscon48471.tstt.net.tt] has joined #debian
21:38<mordy_>now i'll try with a full cd
21:38<snogglethorpe>mordy_: for lenny beta 2?
21:38<mordy_>no, this is etch
21:38<mordy_>should i install lenny?
21:38<snogglethorpe>mordy_: well lenny's what I'm having probs with so...
21:38<mordy_>hehe, this is a msi windblower
21:38<snogglethorpe>mordy_: you can just install etch, and upgrade to lenny over the net
21:38<mordy_>snoggle - if it's a file-copy error then it's just a bad iso
21:38<mordy_>or an installation bug within the code
21:39<mordy_>but if that's the case, it would have been reported by many people
21:39<snogglethorpe>mordy_: the latter may actually be the case :-)
21:39*mordy_ feels like a jeenyis now
21:39<snogglethorpe>lol
21:39<snogglethorpe>i wonder if they test usb installs...
21:40<mordy_>snoggle - i think it's a novelty for most people
21:40<nwerneck>Hello there. Any predictions for linux 2.6.26 getting in unstable?
21:40<snogglethorpe>since judging from this session, it's becoming a popular option
21:40<mordy_>snoggle - i think many people try the netinstall
21:40<mordy_>and besides, the zcat works just fine - the porblem i encountered was when i tried manually loading the installation files
21:41<mordy_>hehe, i'm wondering if there's somewhere i can place this little bit of info
21:41<mordy_>although i shouldn't get excited yet
21:42<mordy_>now the next thing i'll be annoying you about is a remote desktop solution :(
21:44<qq>maybe you'll be kicked before.
21:45<mordy_>qq: why would i be kicked?
21:45<qq>way not ?
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21:46<mordy_>hehe, you don't like me, do you?
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21:47<qq>I like you , when don't flood the canal
21:47<mordy_>hehe
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21:47<mordy_>it's 5:00 am here :(
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21:48<mordy_>what do i do when umount /mnt and "device is busy"?
21:49<qq>nothing , just continue the installation
21:49<mordy_>qq - i'm trying to copy a different iso
21:50<mordy_>i'm not installing just yet
21:50<qq>silent is better
21:50<mordy_>qq: to stare at a blank channel?
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21:52<mordy_>how do i end a session?
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21:53<j8k6f4v9j>mordy_: What type of session?
21:53-!-dasmaze [~mathias@e178229021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:53<snogglethorpe>mordy_: hit C-d ?
21:53<mordy_>bash
21:54<j8k6f4v9j>mordy_: exit
21:54<mordy_>ok, works now
21:55<mordy_>snogglethorpe - any luck with your installation?
21:56<snogglethorpe>mordy_: no
21:56<snogglethorpe>i need to swap all the cables to retry
21:56<mordy_>hmm... what did you do? why swap the cables?
21:56<snogglethorpe>no dedicated monitor or keyboard
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21:56<mordy_>oh
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21:58<mordy_>hmm :(
21:59<mordy_>snoggle - this is still weird though
21:59<snogglethorpe>didn't install correct.y?
22:00<mordy_>so far so good - but i figure that if i'd use 'guided' mode it would install debian on my USB
22:00<mordy_>whcih is pretty cool if you think about it - but still weird
22:01<mordy_>meh,s cratch that - but it's still weird in that it's asking me to install on usb
22:02<snogglethorpe>wait, it's installying on your _usb stick_?
22:02<snogglethorpe>presumably that's not what you want, right?
22:02<mordy_>snoggle - it could- but it's listing my usb stick as an option
22:02<snogglethorpe>mordy_: oh ic
22:02<mordy_>it shouldn't be doing that - should it?
22:02<snogglethorpe>hmm i guess they're just enumerating all block devices or something
22:02<snogglethorpe>i wonder if it would do anything useful?
22:02<mordy_>yeah, and it's mounted on SCSI
22:03<mordy_>i don't think this is SCSI
22:03<snogglethorpe>mordy_: usb uses the scsi infrastructure in the kernel apaprently
22:03<snogglethorpe>but it's not "really" scsi
22:03<mordy_>snoggle - but should my HD use that as well?
22:03<mordy_>SCSI isn't SATA - right? i don't know much about this stuff
22:03<snogglethorpe>mordy_: my impression is that sata _also_ does that...
22:04<snogglethorpe>mordy_: scsi isn't sata
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22:04<snogglethorpe>mordy_: but sata uses some of the scsi kernel stuff
22:04<mordy_>i want my swap to be a logical partition, right?
22:04<snogglethorpe>mordy_: no clue about that
22:05<snogglethorpe>i don't think it's required
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22:05<snogglethorpe>mordy_: are you gonna use LVM?
22:05<mordy_>snoggle - is it quicker? what are the advantages?
22:06<snogglethorpe>mordy_: it lets you resize the partitions later if you want
22:06<mordy_>hmm.. maybe that's only in lenny
22:06<mordy_>as i don't see an lvm option here
22:06<snogglethorpe>not sure where it shows up in the menus
22:06<mordy_>oh, doh
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22:07<snogglethorpe>mordy_: ?
22:07<mordy_>"Physical Volume for LVM"
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22:07<qq>Physical Volume Manager
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22:08<mordy_>snogglethorpe - it's also mounting my HDD as "sda"
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22:09<mordy_>hmm... when i select it, it tells me "no root filesystem is defined"
22:10<qq>do the partitioning before
22:10<qq>and choose the root filesystem
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22:11<mordy_>doesn't let me continue
22:11<qq>ext3
22:11<qq>go back
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22:11<mordy_>and then make another lvm partition?
22:12<qq>forget lvm partition
22:12<qq>do a normal partition
22:14<snogglethorpe>so anyone have an idea what the .iso contents _should_ look like?
22:14<snogglethorpe>(more or less I mean...)
22:14<mordy_>snogglethorpe - wouldn't the md5sum be enough?
22:15<snogglethorpe>mordy_: do you know where the correct md5sums are listed?
22:16<mordy_>debian website, i think
22:17<mordy_>hmm... or not :(
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22:17<mordy_>snoggle - on the server
22:18<mordy_>wherever you downloaded the iso from - there should be another file in that directory giving the md5
22:18<snogglethorpe>mordy_: no directory though...
22:18<mordy_>what do you mean no directory?
22:18<snogglethorpe>the .iso s are just linked to directly from the big "list of stuff page" for lenny beta 2...
22:18<snogglethorpe>http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
22:18<snogglethorpe>just links directly to the .isos
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22:19<snogglethorpe>oh shit it looks like I forgot to compile this kernel with loopback support!
22:20<snogglethorpe>argh
22:20<snogglethorpe>i don't have enough disk space to compile another kernel now...
22:20<mordy_>hmm...
22:20<snogglethorpe>oh wait,
22:20<qq>make mrproper
22:21<snogglethorpe>ther'es /dev/loop0...
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22:21<snogglethorpe>wtf...
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22:21<mordy_>ouch
22:22<mordy_>how big is a kernel approximately? 20MB?
22:22<qq>1.5 MB
22:22<snogglethorpe>only about 1 - 2 MB
22:22<snogglethorpe>mordy_: but _compiling_ it takes a fair amount of space
22:22<snogglethorpe>[and debian's kernel installs are hugely bloated by all the device modeules they have]
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22:23<mordy_>hmm...
22:23<mordy_>not RAM?
22:24<snogglethorpe>mordy_: disk space
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22:24<mordy_>eeek -how much space are you working with?
22:24<snogglethorpe>mordy_: my new disk is 640GB, but my old disk is only 4GB... and I've got lots of junk on it...
22:24<mordy_>oh :(
22:24<snogglethorpe>the 16000% increase is gonna be nice
22:25<mordy_>maybe i can compile it for you -
22:25<snogglethorpe>... once I can get it to work...
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22:25<mordy_>although it will take a while :|
22:25<snogglethorpe>mordy_: no, right now I don't actually need the loopback dev, just wanted to check some stuff out
22:25<snogglethorpe>mordy_: but thanks for the offer
22:26<mordy_>i wonder if they have that actually - compilation server
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22:26<mordy_>how does LVM work though? can i also boot windoze from it?
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22:27<mordy_>that's what's confusing me - i'd like windoze - since sometimes i'd go places that have these wifi portals and require you to download some crap
22:28<snogglethorpe>mordy_: i don't think you can boot windows from it
22:28<snogglethorpe>mordy_: so if you want a windows partition, you need to make it for real
22:28<snogglethorpe>mordy_: but all the debian partitions except for /boot can go in the LVM I think
22:29<mordy_>yeah... does LVM require the entire drive?
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22:31<mordy_>how does the volume group thing work?
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22:34<snogglethorpe>mordy_: no
22:34<mordy_>i just want 5 GB or so for windoze
22:34<qq>use virtualbox for it
22:35<snogglethorpe>mordy_: basically LVM takes "PVs" (physical volumes), which can be normal disk partitions etc, and splits the PVs up into "LVs" (logical volumes), which is what debian will see
22:35<snogglethorpe>mordy_: er, well that's my understanding anyway
22:35<snogglethorpe>mordy_: correct for terminology abuse as necessary
22:35<mordy_>i'm reading dpkg's links on lvm - makes sense
22:36<snogglethorpe>mordy_: 'cause normally it's a pain trying to guess how big all your paritions should be, or whether you even really need extra paritions for safety or whatever
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22:36<snogglethorpe>mordy_: and LVM takes off some of the pressure by letting you more easily change things later if you screw up
22:37<snogglethorpe>that's my reasoing for using LVM anyway... no doubt there are others too
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22:38<mordy_>snoggle - i also get the impression that LVM is more of an os-level rather than disk-level management - so i don't really ever have to change my disk-level configuration
22:38<mordy_>which isn't too healthy for the HD either - and is slow and annoying
22:39<mordy_>i like that. i'm just trying to figure out how i can only make it use 75GB
22:39<snogglethorpe>mordy_: just make a 75GB partition and point LVM at that
22:39<snogglethorpe>I think it wants another real partition for the /boot too
22:39<mordy_>yes, 255MB
22:40<qq>and swap ?
22:41<mordy_>can i have multiple primary partitions?
22:41<qq>4
22:41<snogglethorpe>qq: supposedly swap can be managed by LVM
22:41<qq>better no
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22:42<snogglethorpe>qq: why not?
22:43<snogglethorpe>qq: that's the default behavior apparently, so it seems like it couldn't be _that_ bad...
22:43<qq>I can't trust LVM
22:44<qq>easy way to last all data ...
22:44<qq>lost*
22:44<mordy_>hehe,, i'm listening to this and wondering :-?? to lvm or not to lvm
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22:45<kingsley>Is http://pastebin.com/d582eaab1 a kernel bug stack trace?
22:45<snogglethorpe>qq: why is it any easier to lose than a normal partition table?
22:46<snogglethorpe>qq: I mean, as long as modern kernels all have lvm support, it seems relatively painless
22:47<mordy_>hmm... is there any fragmentation on linux? or is that only in windoze
22:47<snogglethorpe>mordy_: the concept exists, I guess, but typically it doens't seem to be much of a problem
22:49<mordy_>i'm lost. what's the best setup to ensure that i can install and run windoze on this thing?
22:49<qq>snogglethorpe: it's my thought , and practice
22:49<qq>first install windoze
22:50<qq>mordy_: ^^^^
22:50<snogglethorpe>qq: sure, i understand, but I'm trying to understand the details, ... since "to lvm or not to lvm" is something I need to decide
22:51<mordy_>qq: to install windoze is even a greater pain than to install linux - don't forget i have no CD
22:51<mordy_>of course i could try to copy the windoze CD to my stick
22:51<snogglethorpe>... and prey...
22:52<Simon43>mordy...
22:52<Simon43>you are doing strange things...
22:52<Simon43>since too days...
22:52<snogglethorpe>Simon43: he's gotten farther than I have though ... :-)
22:52<mordy_>simon43, i'm a strange man
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22:52<nwerneck>what you mean, are you building a house, installing windows?...
22:52<mordy_>nwerneck ROTFL
22:53<Txt-file>mordy_ - yes .. you are
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22:53<Simon43>mordy: The only thing you want to do is installing Debian from an USB Stick and keep your Windows for dual Boot?
22:54<Txt-file>simon43: sounds simple ... but it is not so
22:54<mordy_>simon - to give you an update - the windoze no longer exists on my laptop - i zeroed the HD - it was the only way that debian would read the ISO
22:54<Simon43>Txt-file: It's 2008, you know...
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22:55<mordy_>i don't have "tasks" to do - i also want to get things done the way i want them to be done- especially if i'm using a powerful OS
22:55<Txt-file>simon43: sure .. why?
22:55*mordy_ thinkd it's 1984... BCE
22:56<Simon43>Txt-file: You tried the lenny installer in the last months?
22:56<snogglethorpe>Simon43: heh, I'm trying it _now_
22:56<snogglethorpe>Simon43: it's ... problematic
22:56<Simon43>use the right installer and a compatibel netinstall iso
22:56<mordy_>snogglethorpe - did you ompare the two images?
22:57<Txt-file>simon43: actually I run the buisnesscard-cd for setup etch and then update to sid
22:57<snogglethorpe>mordy_: no disk space to download the disk iamge again to compare -- but I did a compare right after copying to the usb stick and it was fine then
22:57<Simon43>Txt-file: yeah... like i said... welcome to '08 :-)
22:57<nwerneck>you want to check an image? Why not using md5?
22:57<snogglethorpe>nwerneck: no md5s listed on the installer page afaics...
22:58<Txt-file>simon43: what ever
22:58<mordy_>it loads the files from the iso and then stops in the middle? console 4?
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23:00<Simon43>whatever you are doing there the last days... just use the hd-media and the netinstall iso for your arch from the first section of this page: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
23:00<snogglethorpe>Simon43: yes that is what I am doing
23:00<Simon43>it installs like a charme and detects an installed windows
23:00<snogglethorpe>Simon43: no workie
23:00<nwerneck>is anyone trying the 2.6.26 out?... I have some stuff that need at least 2.6.25, but it is freezing with me frmo time to time, not understandable reason...
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23:00<snogglethorpe>Simon43: or rather, workie for a while, then has a prob
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23:03<Simon43>snogglethorpe: so, what is the problem?
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23:04<snogglethorpe>Simon43: it boots the installer, then does the "searching for .iso" ... and apparently finds it (if I do a subshell, I see the .iso mounted on /cdrom) ... and then gives an error "Failure to copy files from ..." or something
23:04<snogglethorpe>Simon43: so afaict, it's mounting the .iso correctly, but doesn't like what it finds
23:04<snogglethorpe>Simon43: or gets confused for some other reason
23:05<snogglethorpe>the .iso i'm using is the lenny beta 2 netinst (for amd64)
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23:06<caffn>*Grin* Upgrading my Lenny to Sid using SSH.. I'm @ work, pc is @ home.. I wonder if i'll be able to login whenever I get home ;D
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23:07<mordy_>caffn, what's your upstrea?
23:07<mordy_>m
23:07<snogglethorpe>caffn: then hope you remembered to make a recovery disk/cd/...
23:08<caffn>Uh... nope.. :P
23:08<caffn>Connection is also somewhat laggy.. Think i'll just upgrade when i'm home :P
23:09<caffn>Hate to loose connection in the middle of an upgrade ;D
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23:09<snogglethorpe>caffn: you could use the "download only" option
23:09<caffn>Hm.. True
23:09<snogglethorpe>caffn: that way when you get home, you can _watch_ it hose your system ... :-)
23:10<snogglethorpe>(be sure to put it on youtube)
23:10<caffn>rofl
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23:10<caffn>"How I destroyed my install" ;D
23:10<Simon43>snogglethorpe: without more information the only thing I could offer you, that I could upload an dd image of an working stick for amd64 in the morning
23:11<mordy_>it's morning here :( 6:00AM
23:11<Simon43>jeah... 5...
23:11<caffn>It's 5:00 AM in here..
23:11<snogglethorpe>it's 12 noon here :-)
23:11<caffn>2.5 hours to go, and this nightshift has ended.. :P
23:12<snogglethorpe>Simon43: if it's not too much trouble, I'd highly appreciate it (i'll keep playing with this for now though)
23:12<snogglethorpe>caffn: what nightshift?
23:12<snogglethorpe>caffn: morgue?
23:13<caffn>Nah. IT support for the royal dutch airlines..dudes
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23:14<qq>debian servers ?
23:14<qq>caffn: ^^^
23:14<snogglethorpe>caffn: so when it's "all-manual check-in because the computer's down", that's you?
23:14<caffn>Dunno. There are a lot of unix/linux-servers, dont know if its debian. Guess not. I'm not in charge ;D
23:15<caffn>Thats correct snogglethorpe ;D
23:16<snogglethorpe>nice to know that there's at least some clue behind the scenes.... :-/
23:16<Simon43>snogglethorpe: sure, just give me a poke in a few hours. i'll start the upload and go to bed now...
23:16<snogglethorpe>Simon43: ok; thanks a lot!
23:17<snogglethorpe>Simon43: oh, btw, do you mean the netinst?
23:17<snogglethorpe>Simon43: I don't have so much space, so I can't handle much mroe than the current 140-odd MB .iso
23:18<snogglethorpe>[if it's a mostly empty disk image, it will compress well though, I suppose]
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23:19<Simon43>snogglethorpe: You don't have the space why? because the installer partition on your stick is only XXXmb?
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23:20<snogglethorpe>Simon43: stick is 2GB, but my old system i'm using to write it only has like 150MB free :-/
23:21<snogglethorpe>Simon43: [sounds so silly in this day and age... :-]
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23:21<Simon43>that's not the problem if you are willing to repartition it
23:21<Simon43>i don't send you an iso, that would be silly
23:22<snogglethorpe>Simon43: right
23:22<snogglethorpe>anyway i'll figure out how to use it
23:22<Simon43>you'll get a file you write with cat or dd to the stick
23:22<Simon43>like you did it in the first place with the installer "boot.img.gz" or something like that
23:23<snogglethorpe>Simon43: yeah
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23:23<snogglethorpe>Simon43: since that's mostly empty space, though, I think i tcompress very well
23:24<mordy_>ok.. "installing the base system"
23:24*mordy_ holds breath
23:26<snogglethorpe>*boom*
23:26<mordy_>lol
23:26<mordy_>i hope CD1 contains gnome at least
23:26<snogglethorpe>hope you had on your flack vest
23:27<qq>
23:27<snogglethorpe>qq: i agree
23:27<qq>
23:27<mordy_> indeed
23:28<mordy_>hehe, you don't realize how crappy netinstall is once you do local
23:28<mordy_>and especially from USB - which is really fast
23:29<qq>yeah took you 2 days
23:29<mordy_>qq: i learned a lot of things in those two days
23:30<qq>take *
23:30<mordy_>if i wanted an easy-to-use os, i'd stick with xp
23:31<mordy_>what i like about linux is that i'm spending more time looking up documentation than looking up to see "which program can i download that would let me do x"
23:32<snogglethorpe>mordy_: indeed
23:33<qq>it's a scope
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23:33<snogglethorpe>the thing about windows <etc>, is that they try to hide all the internals ... which can be good in some cases, but very bad in others
23:33<mordy_>now how do i get x to work with a 1280x600 resolution?
23:33<snogglethorpe>mordy_: is it lcd ?
23:34<snogglethorpe>doesn't X auto-detect that these days?
23:34<mordy_>yeah, it's this msi wind
23:34<mordy_>snoggle - it does - but i'm worried that it's not compatible
23:34<mordy_>it's a pretty crappy piece anyway - ui'm mainly planning to use it as a 'thin' client for the compuiter i'm using now
23:34<snogglethorpe>mordy_: seems like the worst that happens is you need to hit Ctl-Alt-F1 to switch back to the text console
23:35<mordy_>although i wish there was a way to get linux on my pda
23:35<snogglethorpe>mordy_: yeah I'd like to get some laptop like that too
23:35<snogglethorpe>mordy_: "big" laptops are ... too big
23:35<mordy_>you can find them on ebay
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23:36<mordy_>the thing i never understood is where the graphic rendering takes place
23:36<caffn>10/12 inch are ok
23:36<mordy_>yeah, mine is 10/12 inch - but is horribly made
23:36<mordy_>MSI could have included a sdd and a better and thinner LCD - and it wouldn't raise the cost of the laptop by much
23:36<snogglethorpe>mordy_: hmm that's the reason I like buying in stores ... :-)
23:37<mordy_>snogglethorpe - i hate stores. pushy and deceiving salespeopel
23:37<snogglethorpe>mordy_: not here
23:37<mordy_>!here
23:37<dpkg>mordy_ is here. Auto-here every 10 minutes. Log is ON.
23:37<Txt_file>and medion-stuff is MSI
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23:37<mordy_>whereis 'here'?
23:37<snogglethorpe>mordy_: tokyo
23:38<mordy_>oh
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23:38<mordy_>ok, it's booting...
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23:38<snogglethorpe>mordy_: salespeople here are generally very knowledgable and stay out of your way unless you want help (but if you want help, they're happy to do so)
23:39<mordy_>hehe, over here the salespeople and shopowners think they're doing you a favor by actually selling anything to you
23:39<snogglethorpe>mordy_: you should kill them
23:39<snogglethorpe>mordy_: (if you're in texas, it's probably legal too)
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23:40<mordy_>i'm in jerusalem :|
23:40<snogglethorpe>mordy_: ah right
23:40<snogglethorpe>mordy_: now i remember
23:40<snogglethorpe>mordy_: i heard israel has a sort of in-your-face culture
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23:41<mordy_>yeah, it's a frontier society trying to gather the grip of modernity
23:41<mordy_>oh great, X won't start
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23:41<snogglethorpe>mordy_: wha's the error?
23:41<mordy_>meh, let me see
23:42<Txt_file>mordy_ but you have a running shell-system
23:42<snogglethorpe>yeah that's like 90% of the battle
23:42<Txt_file>you will be better
23:42<mordy_>text-file - i don't know yet - we'll see if i can get my ethernet card up
23:42<snogglethorpe>lol
23:42<snogglethorpe>uh-oh...
23:43<mordy_>"No devices detected"
23:43<snogglethorpe>"we saved 1 penny by using this insane highly proprietary undocumented network chip!"
23:43<mordy_>yeah, it's the NIC that counts
23:43<mordy_>ROTFL
23:43<mordy_>nah, it's realtek - but gigabit
23:43<snogglethorpe>hm
23:43<snogglethorpe>isn't realtek generally ok?
23:43<mordy_>yes
23:43<mordy_>i need to test it - i haven't plugged it in - i'm still in bed
23:43<snogglethorpe>lol
23:44<snogglethorpe>i guess that's one advantage of laptop
23:44<Txt_file>I have never had problems with my realtek sound cards/chips
23:44<mordy_>hmm... it's working
23:44<Txt_file>boring
23:45<Txt_file>:D :)
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23:45<mordy_>txt-file ;-)
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23:45<qq>[05:40:24] <mordy_> oh great, X won't start
23:45<qq>[05:43:39] <mordy_> hmm... it's working
23:46<mordy_>qq: i mean the ethernet is working
23:47<qq>i see you dislike when working , and like when don't
23:48<mordy_>qq: not really
23:48<path_>I want to migrate from i386 to amd64, how safe is that ?
23:48<path_>:D
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23:48<qq>not possible
23:48<mordy_>qq: not when it's something that worked for me in the past
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23:49<Txt-file>path_ what are you doing with you pc?
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23:49<path_>Txt-file, is just for testing purporses
23:49<path_>is not worth trying to do it Txt-file ?
23:49<path_>I've held this decision for a while
23:50<path_>checked mail lists and threads :-)
23:50<qq>path_: not possible >>>>migrate from i386 to amd64
23:50<mordy_>gah, no screens found
23:51<path_>qq, why not ? because I'm not running an 64 kernel ?
23:51<qq>mordy_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
23:51<mordy_>qq: did that
23:51<Txt-file>path_ means: reinstall
23:51<path_>Txt-file, but aptitude can reinstall everything
23:52<path_>am I wrong ?
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23:52<qq>not if you change the archtecture
23:52<mordy^>hehe, this works, sorta
23:52<qq>architecture*
23:53<Txt-file>qq: what about use a home-partition and reinstall and mount the home ??
23:53<mordy^>if there's any screen i want the framebuffer on - it's this LCD lol - horrible resolution
23:53<mordy^>like 20 lines vertical
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23:54<qq>Txt-file: even as an home partition i thought
23:54<path_>qq, so can I migrate from i386 to amd64 ?
23:55<qq>no
23:55<path_>:(
23:56<qq>a new install took 1 h , or so
23:56<path_>but I just want to know why I cannot
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23:56<qq>and you are clean
23:56<yury>what takes precendence, modphp or suexec?
23:57<mordy^>test
23:57<path_>is it because the kernel or just to a clean installation qq ?
23:57<path_>:-)
23:57<qq>[05:51:14] <qq> not if you change the architecture
23:57*path_ slaps himself
23:58<Txt-file>qq: I thinked in home are basically config-files?
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23:58<qq>yes, but not recomended
23:59<qq>recommended*
23:59<Txt-file>qq: ah ok
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