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00:00<HEH_V_WATER>could anyone point me to the package name that adds the gtk fonts and styles to kde's control center please
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00:06<vook>I don't see a package for it though.
00:07<HEH_V_WATER>driving me nuts.. I use this machine on a television and the fonts in gtk apps are too small to read
00:08<vook>HEH_V_WATER: it may be in debian experimental
00:08<HEH_V_WATER>including but not limited to xchat and icedove/iceweasel
00:08<snogglethorpe>HEH_V_WATER: have you tried setting the dpi to so mething different?
00:08<snogglethorpe>HEH_V_WATER: also changin gthe default gnome font sizes
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00:08<HEH_V_WATER>you can't adjust that while using kde
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00:09<mordy>i believe there's somewhere you can set the font DPI, whcih is essentially what you need
00:09<mordy>either that, or you have a crazy resolution
00:10<HEH_V_WATER>i dont mean to sound pessimistic but this is truly a pain in the ass that should be taken care of by the gnome and kde developers working together
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00:13<snogglethorpe>HEH_V_WATER: there's no central authority though
00:13<snogglethorpe>HEH_V_WATER: afaik, the best place is in the X config
00:13<HEH_V_WATER>also this is with lenny.. there is a GTK-Qt-engine package for etch
00:14<snogglethorpe>HEH_V_WATER: gnome used to do really stupid things like assuming 96dpi no matter what, but I _think_ the've stopped doing that recently (and are paying the price for doing so previously)
00:14<mordy>gah, i don't have a problem editing xorg.conf - but entering new values is a pain now - i'm trying to fix it :(
00:14<mordy>X and gnome are taking up 100% of my cpu, and it's probably because it's using the wrong driver
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00:16<HEH_V_WATER>okay so I guess I need to relearn how this works with lenny or somethign because the package I use in etch doesnt exist there
00:19<nwerneck>does anyone have a clue about how I can use italic fonts in Xterm, so that it renders them nicely instead of underlying the text, as in man pages? (or any other troff output)
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00:22<vook>nwerneck: aterm is nice
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00:25<HEH_V_WATER>k i got it and it was a dpi setting in control panel.. had to set it to 96 instead of auto for the gtk2 apps to recognize my fonts i guess.. once again being comfortable with change is key to living with Linux :D
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00:26<Enforcer>can someone please tell me how to mount my USB NTFS drive as READ ONLY, it's /dev/sda
00:26<vook>nwerneck: sorry, nevermind, I didn't quite understand the question at first.
00:26<dpkg>add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want.
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00:27<gsimmons>Enforcer: I believe this is the third time you've been told this.
00:27<nwerneck>vook I might try out aterm anyway :)
00:27<Enforcer>I've been away with work alot lately
00:28<Enforcer>I dunno what that is
00:28<benito>can anyone help me with network manager its not working with vpn
00:28<Enforcer>I just wanna type mount -t vfat /dev/sda /media/usb
00:28<Enforcer>something like that
00:29<Enforcer>the -t vfat I remember from my usb thumbdrive
00:29<Enforcer>but what do I change it to
00:30<gsimmons>Enforcer: You'd want to mount a partition, not the entire device. Something like "mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/usb" should suffice, depending on where your NTFS filesystem is.
00:31<benito>god damn broken ubuntu
00:31<benito>sudo nm-applet restart
00:31<benito>(network-admin:7463): Gtk-WARNING **: Unknown property: GtkComboBox.items
00:31<benito>** (network-admin:7463): CRITICAL **: Unable to lookup session information for process '7463'
00:32<Enforcer>ok that worked, but I can't read it as user
00:32<benito>my network managed is f0rked
00:32<benito>no vpn conencts showing up
00:33<Enforcer>do I need to chmod something /media/usb
00:33<benito>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
00:33<benito> pptpconfig: Depends: php-gtk-pcntl (>= 1.0.0) but it is not going to be installed
00:33<benito>E: Broken packages
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00:35<nwerneck>well, no dice. rxvt and aterm both paint italics red, even worse than xterm, that underlines them...
00:35<Enforcer>$ sudo ls /media/usb
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00:35<Enforcer>ls: reading directory /media/usb: Input/output error
00:35<Enforcer>wtf zomg
00:35<gsimmons>Enforcer: Amend your mount command to include the uid (and possibly gid) options (eg. "mount -t ntfs -o uid=..." ) as described by dpkg previously.
00:36<Enforcer>I dont understnd that
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00:36<Enforcer>whats the whole command I need to type whats a uid gid?
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00:37<Enforcer>how do I kniw uid?
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00:37<snogglethorpe>Enforcer: use your user name
00:37<snogglethorpe>Enforcer: e.g., "mount -t ntfs -o uid=stupid,gid=stupid ..." :-)
00:37<snogglethorpe>that's if your userid is "stupid" :-)
00:38<snogglethorpe>(I actually havet hat userid on my other system!)
00:38<Enforcer>$ sudo mount -t ntfs -o uid=cjg /dev/sda1 /media/usb
00:38<Enforcer>mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
00:38<snogglethorpe>Enforcer: well is there such a dvice?
00:39<Enforcer>there was 10 seconds ago
00:39<Enforcer>its USB HDD
00:39<Enforcer>so how do I find the device
00:39<snogglethorpe>Enforcer: does it have a partition table?
00:39<snogglethorpe>Enforcer: you can do ls /dev
00:39<Enforcer>it has all my mp3s and movies on it
00:39<Enforcer>snogglethorpe, theres 100's of shit in ls /dev
00:39<snogglethorpe>Enforcer: well, do "ls /dev/sd*"
00:40<Enforcer>its gone
00:41<Enforcer>do I need to unplug it and plug it in again?
00:41<snogglethorpe>did you unplug it by accident?
00:41<snogglethorpe>well try that anyway
00:41<Enforcer>/dev/sda /dev/sda1
00:42<superlinux>,the problem is that the arabic keymap is not the one that we use in chatting
00:42<superlinux> we use latin to write arabic. and i hate it. the letter M in latin if u type with arabic map is not arabic . there is a programmer who built a key map we arab like.
00:43<Enforcer>got it workin
00:45<Enforcer>now I just need to get my sound workin
00:45<Enforcer>it's AC97 onboard sound
00:46<Enforcer>I got alsa-tools installed
00:46<Enforcer>what do I need to run?
00:46<enouf>alsa-utils and ala-oss
00:47<enouf>fire up alsamixer
00:47<enouf>actually, run alsaconf
00:47<enouf>but not on *ub00b00b
00:47<snogglethorpe>there's also something that you can run from the gnome volume widget (in the gnome panel) that basically seems to be a gui version of alsamixer
00:47<Enforcer>fuck gnome
00:48<Enforcer>I dont have good enough pc
00:48<enouf>language dummy
00:48<Enforcer>blackbox 4 me
00:48<snogglethorpe>Enforcer: then alsamixer's your joy
00:48<snogglethorpe>or not, depending I guess
00:48<snogglethorpe>to be honest I wish all the oss stuff would just die, things are confusing enough with just alsa
00:48<superlinux>the problem really is that the keys are not matching phonetically
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00:51<Enforcer>I should plug my sb audigy into here
00:51<enouf>snogglethorpe: and oss4 promoters would wish alsa died ;-)
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00:52<snogglethorpe>enouf: well anyway, the goal's the same, but alsa certainly seems to have the mindshare
00:52<nwerneck>oss still exists??
00:52<snogglethorpe>there are people still using dos :-)
00:53<nwerneck>what is dos?
00:53<nwerneck>( ;) )
00:53<nwerneck>snogglethorpe : Very nice this keyboard site.
00:55<nwerneck>As long as I can run JACK on top, I can use alsa, oss or whatever it is
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00:57<snogglethorpe>enouf: wow, does that sound dodgy...
00:59<enouf>snogglethorpe: well, some people i know, who are 'in the know' claim they have a much better product, as far as quality and clarity, cpu usage, etc .. i haven't tested any of it yet though
01:00<enouf>snogglethorpe: note the date as well - but yeahm CDDL is causing issues all over, from dtrace to oss4 to cdrecord :-P
01:00<snogglethorpe>enouf: the whole PR-speak press-release mentality is going to drive people away too
01:00<nwerneck>enouf you are talking about this doss thig?
01:01<snogglethorpe>enouf: i assume that one could just ignore the CDDL and use GPL (at least that press-release is implying that)
01:01<enouf>nwerneck: huh?
01:01<enouf>snogglethorpe: perhaps .. not sure .. don't care atm
01:01<enouf>licensing talk makes me break out in hives :-P
01:02<nwerneck>when was GPL v3 released?
01:02<enouf>snogglethorpe: for ex; check out what happens here in this discussion ,, ugh
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01:03<enouf>ask in #gnu or #gpl or #groklaw is it? or whatever .. or google ;-)
01:03<snogglethorpe>never quite figured out what dtrace was good for actually
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01:04<enouf>snogglethorpe: if you follow the links to Sun's pages, thety give you a whole scenario, with Mircosoft Bob style pic and everything
01:04<snogglethorpe>but yeah, CDDL is the kiss of death, usually
01:04<nwerneck>ooops, sorry about that (and about the previous question too!)
01:05<snogglethorpe>enouf: that's the thing, all you ever see is these sort of puffed up "just imagine you want to do X, Y, and Z, and then blah blah blah" and I'm always thinking "why would I want to do X, Y and Z?"
01:05<enouf>snogglethorpe: it does appear though to help software devs and bug killers easily track down shit, though it's presented as a business model
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01:06<enouf>snogglethorpe: maybe there wouldn't be as much "bloat" and as many "bugs" .. but that's a dream for me ;-)
01:06<nwerneck>if Creative want to make their products more cross-plataform, is it really that difficult to them?
01:06<enouf>snogglethorpe: i mean, every kernel release that squashes 50bugs, also another 100 are generated -- something rediculous liike that
01:07<snogglethorpe>enouf: eh?
01:07<enouf>snogglethorpe: yep .. don't have the stats handy, but yeah
01:08<snogglethorpe>enouf: such stats are for the most part completely stupid
01:08<enouf>also, the amount of code grows... and grows
01:08<enouf>snogglethorpe: not really
01:08<snogglethorpe>enouf: the whole concept of "number of bugs" is not interesting without a lot more context
01:08<enouf>not according to some of the lead kern devs .. not from what i've read
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01:09<enouf>oh, they have it outlined in context ;-)
01:09<snogglethorpe>enouf: I expect they actually have more context -- and also a different perspective than a typical user
01:09<enouf>indeed - but still, my main point was to answer "what is the usefulness of Tool X"
01:10<snogglethorpe>for instance, if 25 new device drivers get added to linux, the number of potential bugs shoots up, and makes life even more miserable for people that need to care, but for a typical user, it's simply irrelevant
01:10<enouf>it might need to quicker releases .. again, a dream
01:11<enouf>i know, i know .. however .. there's now a linux-test .. dammit, can't recall the name, that replaces the -mm branch so to speak ..
01:11<enouf>no, it's not irrelevant to the end user
01:11<enouf>they are the ones reporting the bugs - well the testers anyway ...
01:11<snogglethorpe>well, it's relevant to the extent that it stresses the infrastructure, and so lowers overall quality
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01:11<snogglethorpe>however, that's not an easily predictable relationship
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01:12<snogglethorpe>especially because driver maintainence is often highly distributed
01:12<enouf>well, the subsystems are highly specialized - however, the interactions amongst them all - that's where it gets messy
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01:13<snogglethorpe>enouf: but as far as I can see, adding more drivers in general only _improves_ teh shared infrastructure, because of linux's emphasis on rewriting when necessary
01:14<snogglethorpe>there have been _lots_ of quite dramatic cleanups as a result of increasing stress from more features
01:14<snogglethorpe>of course that has a temporary effect on bugs too, but it's almost always for the better in the long run
01:15<enouf>ahh linux-NEXT ...
01:16<enouf>then you have the untraceable binary blob crapola constantly trying to creep in
01:16<snogglethorpe>which is where having license pedants helps you :-)
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01:21<JavonR>-s /server
01:21<JavonR>woops _p
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01:22<k1lumin4t1>anybody experiencing gpgv problems on Debian Etch?
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01:24<k1lumin4t1>I'm experiencing this error message:
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01:28<enouf>k1lumin4t1: what does; ~$ gpg --list-keys | grep 6070D3A say ?
01:29<k1lumin4t1>enouf, nothing
01:29<enouf>should be ~$ gpg --list-keys | grep 6070D3A1 <-- added the 1 but grep will work
01:29<enouf>!tell k1lumin4t1 -about 2006 key
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01:33<k1lumin4t1>enouf, the "gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -" line didnt work?
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01:34<enouf>ruh roh k1lumin4t1
01:35<enouf>ahh nm k1lumin4t1 gpgv: /usr/share/man/man1
01:35<enouf>k1lumin4t1: basically, i don't know what's wrong yet, i'm fumbling around ... hang on
01:36<enouf>k1lumin4t1: so .. run "sudo apt-get update" and/or as root
01:36<k1lumin4t1>enouf, I did
01:37<k1lumin4t1>enouf, do you think It might have something to do with setting my partition scheme using LVM?
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01:37<enouf>hrm, i doubt it ..
01:38<enouf>it might have to do with cryptosetup/luks though if you do use that
01:38<k1lumin4t1>enouf, it could be, since I have /tmp on a LVM volume
01:38<k1lumin4t1>enouf, take a look at the output from "fdisk":
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01:44<enouf>except, apt version 0.7.x is not in etch
01:45<k1lumin4t1>enouf, qhat about the lvm issue?
01:49<enouf>k1lumin4t1: pretty sure fdisk won;t display LVM properly, so it's normal, not certain ... but
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01:49<k1lumin4t1>enouf, hmmm
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01:52<Enforcer>sorry guys
01:52<enouf>k1lumin4t1: try cat /proc/partitions .. also ask in ##linux, or #debian (both are on .. see what you can find in the lvm2 docs - dpkg -L lvm2 and same for libdevmapper*
01:53<k1lumin4t1>enouf, surely do. Thanks
01:56<enouf>k1lumin4t1: there's also an #lvm channel there
01:56<enouf>k1lumin4t1: 42 :Discussions and Support of LVM and LVM2 (the Linux Logical Volume Manager) -
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02:36<Enforcer>whats the command to update time and date please?
02:36<Enforcer>ntpdate ?
02:38<mike_>right click on time,,
02:40<Enforcer>this isn't windows mate
02:40<mordy>if you're using an X desktop then that's the way to do it
02:40<Enforcer>no im not
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02:41<mastroquet>man date
02:42<mastroquet>sorry, wrong terminal
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02:42<mastroquet>Enforcer: 'date -s' if I remenber well
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02:46<infotron>Enforcer: rdate
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02:48<Enforcer>wtf that made my screen go black
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02:49<Enforcer>but done the job
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02:51<sheldonh>so, with a lenny freeze on the horizon, how do i find out why there's no xen-linux-system-2.6.25-2-xen-686 package? can't figure it out from
02:52<sheldonh>Enforcer: it's common for a sudden clock change to trigger a screen saver
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02:59<xbj9000>what's in the 'laptop' set of packages? is it recommended for a minimal laptop install?
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03:20<sheldonh>xbj9000: some useful stuff for power management, touchpad support, blah
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03:22<xbj9000>I need apm not acpi for this old thinkpad, do you think installing without those packages could resolve any of my apm issues? I'm going to reinstall at some point regardless
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03:22<xbj9000>when I did this install, laptop was the only package set I chose
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03:26<Enforcer>whats a more light weight browser then iceweasel
03:26<Enforcer>using less resources
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03:30<cahoot>how much less?
03:32<j8k6f4v9j>Enforcer: I like opera :)
03:32<Enforcer>im on a p200 32mb ram
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03:35<cahoot>Enforcer: you run xorg on that?
03:35<j8k6f4v9j>cahoot: sure
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03:36<cahoot>j8k6f4v9j: you enforcer?
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03:36<Enforcer>im not j8k6f4v9j
03:37<Enforcer>I run xorg on it
03:37<j8k6f4v9j>cahoot: why not?
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03:37<cahoot>Enforcer: then strictly text based browsers aren't what you want?
03:38<cahoot>j8k6f4v9j: it was just a question
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03:38<xbj9000>netsurf, enforcer
03:38<xbj9000>possibly seamonkey
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03:39<xbj9000>netsurf lacks some functionality but is a little better than dillo
03:39<xbj9000>seamonkey is fairly good but probably smaller than iceweasel
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03:44<streuner>not very much...
03:44<streuner>!info iceape-browser
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03:45<dpkg>iceape-browser: (Iceape Navigator (Internet browser) and Composer), section web, is optional. Version: 1.1.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 9568 kB, Installed size: 29252 kB
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03:45<streuner>It's also a PITA on that box
03:46<streuner>forget opera too
03:46<streuner>its crap in Linux
03:47<streuner>and dillo cannot use https...
03:47<thomasbl>no. opera is very fine on linux
03:47*streuner wish the good old times back -> galeon
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03:48<streuner>thomasbl: not to my experiences, using java and stuff...
03:48<thomasbl>i never had any problems with that
03:48<j8k6f4v9j>I never had too
03:48<thomasbl>and its _really_ fast
03:48<streuner>thomasbl: well, i don't know what i made different then
03:49<thomasbl>and dont use a lot of RAM
03:49<j8k6f4v9j>Anyway, many sites (google related) tend to make their sites not work with opera. But it is _intended_
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03:50<thomasbl>streuner: its the same with iceape and such browser, if you have misconfigured one you've got in trouble with all browsers
03:50<streuner>thomasbl: hm, iceape is the one which sucks less...
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03:50<streuner>its a PITA, but it works here on a 1.6 Ghz - 1 GB RAM box at least
03:50<thomasbl>really? on my system its gonna crash the whole system sometimes
03:51<thomasbl>yeah you're right ... its an endless discussion :P
03:51*streuner needs to install amd64 + mobo, the browser(s) need to much time to get big websites
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03:52<streuner>it needs about 3-5 seconds to show the whole site...
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03:53<streuner>due to a 1.6 Ghz CPU
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03:53<j8k6f4v9j>streuner: sites stored on the hard disk?
03:53<streuner>more RAM doesn't help much
03:53<streuner>j8k6f4v9j: no
03:53<j8k6f4v9j>So. it seems to be a communications problem
03:53<thomasbl>thats so crazy!
03:54<thomasbl>nevertheless its just a browser
03:54<thomasbl>for visiting websites and not an OS
03:54<streuner>these modern (big and crappy websites) nowadays have too much crap...
03:54<j8k6f4v9j>yes :)
03:55<streuner>but mozilla spending more time into windows FF devel...
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03:55<thomasbl>because they want all the windows users first
03:56<munga_>what is the best distributed ssh available ? I tried cssh ... any other ?
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03:59<thomasbl>what? service or client?
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04:00<thomasbl>i've written an ssh2all ... its bash and does all you need :)
04:00<thomasbl>look at sourceforge
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04:03<Enforcer>I know someone who was involved in the development and implimentation of the tcp/ip protocal
04:05<sheldonh>Enforcer: it's ongoing. we have one of those scruffy hobbits in south africa too :)
04:05<sheldonh>munga_: while not actually a distributed ssh, i'm learning to like dsh in a clustered environment
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04:06<sheldonh>munga_: it adds the idea of named host groups, but removes the idea of concurrent interactive shells
04:07<munga_>I've used cssh with a small cluster (3 to 6 hosts) and it works great...
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04:08<munga_>it has its shortcomings, but more from a user interface prospective
04:08<munga_>then from a usability point of view
04:08<sheldonh>munga_: maybe it's just my window manager, but it plays havoc with window repositioning when i switch virtual desktops in kde
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04:08<munga_>mine too :)
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04:08<munga_>and I'm using gnome
04:08<sheldonh>munga_: but yes, it's great for small clusters
04:09<munga_>I was wondering something similar but with no such problems
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04:09<sheldonh>munga_: if you find it, please tell :)
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04:54<xbj9000>I run iceweasel on a Pentium II @ 298MHz
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05:15<MuTPyXa>Good day. Sorry my english is something special :) i`am from Russia. Q: Somebody make this Debian+Cluster+Firebird?
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05:19<disposable>what is the alternative to lsmod?
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05:19<disposable>i need to find out which modules are loaded
05:19<petemc>why not use lsmod?
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05:20<disposable>petemc: because it doesn't work onthis machine
05:21<petemc>im not aware of any alternatives, you might want to look into fixing lsmod
05:23<gsimmons>disposable: Does /proc/modules exist?
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05:24<weasel>disposable: why doesn't it work?
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05:26<disposable>gsimmons: oh yes, that's the file i was after.. thanks
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05:26<disposable>weasel: returns nothing and i wanted to verify it because it seems unlikely.
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06:00<sheldonh>with a lenny freeze on the horizon, how do i find out why there's no xen-linux-system-2.6.25-2-xen-686 package? can't figure it out from
06:00<T_X>hi there, can anybody help me with bluemon? I always get a Connected/Disconnected every second
06:01<T_X>but I don't have the problem, when I start x11 and use blueproximity at the same time. blueproximity pairs the bluetooth device automatically and then bluemon recognises the bluetooth device as always connected
06:02<T_X>or... what do I have to configure for automatic pairing?
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06:03<T_X>I don't want to use blueproximity cause it needs a graphical desktop
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06:12<avu>sheldonh, have a look at the d-devel archives, the topic has been discussed there at length
06:12<sheldonh>avu: oh cool. thanks
06:12<avu>sheldonh, the short answer is: because 2.6.25 does not support xen dom0
06:13<avu>sheldonh, the xensource patches are still against 2.6.18
06:13<sheldonh>avu: *gulp*
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06:13<sheldonh>avu: that... doesn't sound good
06:13<avu>sheldonh, it seems quite likely that lenny will ship without dom0 support
06:14<avu>sheldonh, (domU is supported in mainline .25 and thus lenny though)
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06:16<apecat>odd. I upgraded my lenny system's apache2 to version 2.2.9-5 the other day, and since then, having ServerTokens "ProductOnly" and "ServerSignature Off" in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf doesnt seem to do anything, see
06:17<apecat>whoops, "ServerTokens ProductOnly"
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06:18<sheldonh>avu: got it. so etch for dom0, serving lots of lenny domUs
06:19<avu>sheldonh, yes. at least for one year after the lenny release
06:20<avu>sheldonh, let's hope that until then, lenny-and-a-half with a mainline kernel supporting dom0 is out :)
06:21<sheldonh>avu: should be fine -- each subdomain will have its own iscsi initiator
06:21<avu>sheldonh, (the year is just important because that's how long after the lenny release etch will get security upgrades...)
06:21<sheldonh>ah, right!
06:22<sheldonh>starting to see why ubuntu lts is gaining so much popularity :)
06:22<avu>it is?
06:22<avu>haven't noticed that at all.
06:22<sheldonh>when they're doing a great job of handling 6 concurrently supported versions, i'll take a more serious look :)
06:23<sheldonh>right now, it's just a promise from a crowd with no track record proving that they're capable of delivery
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06:38<Woet>does debian log connections somewhere?
06:38<Woet>one of my boxes just got ddosed, would like to know who it was
06:39<dondelelcaro>Woet: depends on the application.
06:39<Woet>dondelelcaro: sorry?
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06:41<dondelelcaro>Woet: it depends on which application which was being connected to. Connections in general are not logged by default.
06:41<avu>Woet, there is no general system-wide logging of all connections (which would be very silly of course), but individual applications may log certain connections
06:41<Woet>yea, it would be silly
06:41<Woet>but maybe it got a log of the last XXX connections
06:41<Woet>for example
06:41<Woet>but seems not
06:42<dondelelcaro>that would require logging them all...
06:42<avu>that still would be silly
06:42<Woet>true, thanks anyways
06:42<padski>Woet, you could log that from iptables.
06:42<dondelelcaro>which is possible, but not done by default
06:42<Woet>padski: too late now, but thanks
06:42<avu>only thing thata would do is make the DDOS extend to your harddisks as well .)
06:43<padski>avu, if you wanted specifically to detect and log a DDOS you could do that without massive disk load.
06:43<avu>padski, true.
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06:44<avu>padski, I was talking about the beforementioned 'logging of all connections'
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06:51<padski_>avu, yeah :-)
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06:52<padski_>another approacj would be pcap. for example snort.
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06:57<sheldonh>i wish i hadn't thrown away my vmware workstation :(
06:57<padski_>it might be worth something now ;-)
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07:03<sheldonh>padski_: well, it doesn't have the bug that virtualbox has, that's hurting me right now. generally, i prefer virtualbox. but you know how it is with the bug of the day
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07:04<padski_>sheldonh, the bug of the day is off now. it was so popular that there is none left. another crustacean perhaps ?
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07:06<sheldonh>padski_: *groan* :)
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07:54<sahmad>any body there
07:54<dondelelcaro>no, no one is there
07:55<sahmad>i am new to knoppix
07:55<sahmad>was just trying a few tools here
07:55<sahmad>what is that XChat
07:56<weasel>ask google.
07:56<themill>sahmad: ask #knoppix on
07:56<weasel>also, if you are here for knoppix then you are wrong.
07:57<Gekz_>why does knoppix go to here.
07:57<dondelelcaro>Gekz_: because this is the default place for debian irc clients to go
07:57<Gekz_>wise. lol
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08:03<themill>Gekz_: it's a common enough problem:
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09:10<MTristan>is there anyone who own a nVidia riva TNT2?
09:12<chealer>MTristan: yes
09:12<MTristan>do you have the "graphical acceleration" enabled?
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09:13<MTristan>the non-free driver
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09:13<MTristan>I can't get it working :/
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09:16<arenax>have you look in google
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09:20<dpkg>The Shoreline Firewall, more commonly known as "Shorewall", is a Netfilter (iptables) based firewall that can be used on a dedicated firewall system, a multi-function gateway/router/server or on a standalone GNU/Linux system. See
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09:20<MTristan>yes arenax
09:20<MTristan>here is the error
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09:21<alienware>hi anybody can help me with shorewall rules to prevent DoS attacks?
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09:22<weasel>nobody can.
09:22<weasel>now get a clue. thank you.
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09:52<volt>Hi, what's the name of the java's package (I want to install it)
09:52<smen>anyone else having dep problems with audacious in sid?
09:53<smen>which java package?
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09:53<themill>dpkg: tell volt about install java
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09:56<volt>ok thx themill i'll try this
09:57<volt>Funny bot :P
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09:57<smen>kudos on the bot
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10:00<smen>lenny fixed me :)
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10:30<lente>hi there. my debian netinst cd doesnt find my ethernet card by it self. The Manual sayes its a RJ45 10/100/1000 Mbit Fast Ethernet. Which is the right driver to select in the menu?
10:33<smen>what sort of motherboard do you have?
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10:33<smen>it's just that's not a very specific device name :-/
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10:34<suiside>lente: you need to know the chipset name to say what driver is correct for it
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10:35<lente>thats the problem... I realy dont know which chipset is used. is there another life cd like knoppix where i can start linux to run lspci
10:36<lente>i need to start it from usb
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10:38<cahoot>lente: dmesg doesn't give more info?
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10:42<lente>no dmesg doenst help me
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10:42<zedboy>lente: unless it's built into the motherboard and you can't figure out what chipset it is, just look at the chip on the card - it'll say something like rtl8139 or whatever.
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10:50<lente>damn found out it is Agere ET-131x PCI-E... and i read its not supported by the kernel 2.6.18... how can i install debian? i just have a 2GB USB-Stick and no cd-drive.
10:50<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see, or ask me about <etchnhalf>.
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10:51<lente>i try thx
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11:02<shze>hi, i want to prepare a usb-memory as install media for debian stable, as described in
11:02<shze>but if i boot i only get 'boot error'
11:02<shze>how can i check what went wrong?
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11:12<suiside>shze: is the boot error message from the bios or the install media?
11:13<shze>suiside: i dont know. i select the usb-memory in the bootdevice list and after that 'boot error' is the only thing that appears on the screen
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11:31<sheldonh>is there a clever way (with fakeroot?) to fake out the result of uname -r? got a broken makefile acting up (e1000 driver)
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11:57<lente>hi there again. downloaded the etch image with the new kernel ( but my ethernet card is still not supported by the kernel. what can i do to install debian netinst?
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11:59<lente>the card is Agere ET-131x
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12:00<dpkg>rumour has it, et131x is the driver for the Agere Systems ET-131x PCI-E ethernet controller ( To install driver for Debian stock kernels in lenny/testing: "aptitude install et131x-modules-`uname -r`".
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12:01<simard>my debian (lenny) kernel hangs saying: waiting for root filesystem, does anyone know what can do that ? my debian partition is a xfs one, in /dev/sda5 which is a logicial partition in my extended partition, grub is at /dev/sda and configured by /dev/sda1
12:02<gsimmons>lente: The driver is not included in mainline kernels. You'll likely have to install the base system to begin with, then manually acquire/install the driver after installation.
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12:03<lente>gsimmons: is the basesystem on the netinst iso?
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12:05<gsimmons>lente: Yes, provided you're not using the "business card" image.
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12:05<cahoot>why would cpufreq_max get set to 120000 (instead of 200000) when I disconnect the battery, usin ondemand governor. Can't seem to find what chain of events triggers this inadequate behaviour.
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12:06<lente>sry for not reading the manual properly today but im in a hurry
12:06<gsimmons>cahoot: Are you using a Thinkpad?
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12:07<gsimmons>cahoot: I've just encountered this very problem with a A31. See
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12:09<cahoot>gsimmons: thank you, did the kernel parm work out for you?
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12:12<cahoot>anyway - will reboot and see
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12:25<irihi>Help. i cant change keyboard layout
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12:35<schmichael>why do aptitude and mutt have dark gray backgrounds instead of straight black on my etch server?
12:35<schmichael>irssi still has a nice high contrast black background
12:35<schmichael>it just looks like i have the contrast turned down on a really old monitor when i start aptitude or mutt
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12:38<gsimmons>cahoot: Worked for me. I was required to change the value of /sys/module/processor/parameters/ignore_ppc (passing this as an option to the processor module had no effect), then "remind" my system about its maximum CPU frequency (ie. echo 1900000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq).
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12:39<cahoot>thanks, sorry for the impatient behaviour earlier
12:40<cahoot>presently compiling a patched kernel
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12:43<amorphous>this could be a bit off-topic (and please don't hesitate to point me somewhere else if it's a problem) but, i'm having a problem with a router/internet connection in that whenever a windows box here is plugged into a Netgear router (adsl - the only router (or) modem here) the network & port light (for the win box) flash fast & the linux box can't connect to anything but google :(... is this a known thing? or is it just me having the
12:43<amorphous> benefit of something wierd to sort out that no-one can help me with?
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12:49<mordy>where can i find the XDMCP settings?
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12:55<Digg>hello! i was wondering (i'm a noob..) if theres possible to get gnome bittorrent to minimize to a panel applet instead of taskbar..?
12:55<Digg>like in lenny
12:55<schmichael>Digg: i would recommend the Transmission bittorrent clien
12:56<schmichael>its much better than gnome's default imho
12:56<Digg>i see, but the etch version is like 0.6 and lenny is 1.2 something, but thats still better?
12:57<schmichael>Digg: are you using etch or lenny?
12:57<Digg>i'm on etch
12:57<Digg>i prefer stable with backports over testing
12:57<valdyn>Digg: why dont you just use "transmission" ??
12:57<schmichael>valdyn: ha, thats what i just said
12:57<cahoot>gsimmons: just to confirm, even after applying the patch the processor.ignore_ppc directive is considered N/A, manually echoing the values as you described does the job though
12:57<schmichael>Digg: sounds like transmission wins ;)
12:57<valdyn>schmichael: oops
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12:58<Digg>ok i will look into transmission even if it seems very dated compared to the one i was running in lenny
12:59<valdyn>Digg: maybe its in backports
12:59<schmichael>valdyn: its not :(
12:59<Digg>no i dont think so:/
12:59<valdyn>Digg: its possible that backporting it is trivial
12:59<valdyn>!simple sid backport
12:59<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
12:59<valdyn>Digg: but i guess id try the etch one first..
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13:00<Digg>ok thank you guys
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13:01<gsimmons>cahoot: Ah, good to hear. I'll append that to the Thinkwiki page a little later.
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13:05<gizmokaka>can anyone help me please
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13:06<gizmokaka>my screen always goes blank(like instead of screen saver) but refuses to wake when i move mouse or press keyboard keys
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13:06<gizmokaka>i am on debian etch with kernel 2.6.25
13:06<gizmokaka>with a fluxbox desktop
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13:08<gizmokaka>don't know how to solve this it's irritating
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13:08<cspacematrix>hey folks
13:08<cspacematrix>i have a q
13:08<cspacematrix>how can i disable a module from loading at satrtup?
13:08<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
13:08<cahoot>cspacematrix: ^^
13:09<cahoot>cspacematrix: don't forget the initramfs part
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13:09<cspacematrix>ok, gotcha
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13:10<cspacematrix>thanks guys
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13:15<cspacematrix>cspacematrix: tst
13:16<gizmokaka>well, can anyone help me?
13:16<gizmokaka>i am really stuck with this
13:16<gizmokaka>i leave the PC for and hour, when i return i need to restart it, or at list CTRL+Alt+BS
13:17<gizmokaka>it's not good for me of course
13:17<valdyn>gizmokaka: try turning dpms off
13:17<valdyn>gizmokaka: as documented in "man xorg.conf"
13:17<volt>Hi I have a big problem with Iceweasel : I'm french but this prog is english, so evvrywhere where I type a french message, It underlines all
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13:17<volt>Like I missspelled words
13:17<volt>But I don't missspell
13:18<volt>so I want to put it on french mode
13:18<volt>How can I do that my friends ?
13:20<gizmokaka>valdyn, thanks man, but can't i configure it instead?
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13:21<cahoot>volt: can't you turn off spell chech?
13:22<volt>hmmm, I prefer to have it
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13:22<volt>If i could turn it to french spell check
13:22<themill>volt: right click on a text area and select "Languages" then "add new dictionaries".
13:23<volt>I will be perfect
13:23<snogglethorpe>volt: except for the grammar mistakes :-)
13:23<volt>aah nice
13:23<volt>thank's a lot :)
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13:36<schmichael>sshd is complaining /etc/ssh/moduli doesn't exist in my auth.log, how do i create it?
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13:41<shze>i'm trying to pepare a usb memory for install. i've tried both easy and flexible way with etch, and the easy way with lenny. but i only get 'boot error' (easy) or an empty screen (flex)..
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13:45<lente>how can i download a package and all its dependent packages without checking weather i ve already installed them or not
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13:46<newsense>if they are present on the system already they wont be redownloaded
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13:47<lente>i need them for a different system
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13:48<lente>but i think its a bad idea to download them all by hand over the webrowser
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13:49<newsense>try apt-cache show packagename | grep Depends
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13:51<lente>ok that prints me on which packages it depends. but i want to download also all the dependet packages
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13:51<newsense>oh ok i got ya depends of depends
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13:53<lente>and maybe of depends and depends
13:53<newsense>apt-get install packagename -s | less
13:53<lente>i have a system without working network. it has also no cd-drive so i just cant use the debian cd/dvds. I need all the packages to build my module
13:53<newsense>that will simulate bu not install
13:54<lente>i need to download the packages to install them on my other system
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13:54<gizmokaka>so that i don't fall again, xset -dpms is enough to disable dpms?
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13:54<gizmokaka>in xorg.conf i still see the entry
13:55<newsense>lente: apt-get install build-essential | less
13:55<newsense>that should help ya
13:55<newsense>lente: apt-get install build-essential -s | less
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13:55<shze>lente: could you copy a cd/dvd iso to that system, mount it and use it in apt as cd/dvd?
13:56<lente>my problem is that i already habe installed most of the pakcages
13:56<newsense>gizmokaka: dont see why not
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13:56<lente>i have a very stupid system with only one sata port and i dont have a usb-stick that is big enought
13:57<gizmokaka>newsense, and the entry in xorg.conf?
13:57<lente>i have already installed build-essential
13:57<gizmokaka>isn't that implying that it still uses dpms?
13:57<newsense>not sure on that one
13:57<newsense>not a big x person
13:57<gizmokaka>work from terminal only ah?!
13:57<gizmokaka>a real pro
13:57<lente>so that command makes no sence
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13:59<lente>where are the packages located that i #ve downloaded
13:59<lente>ok read it in the man
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14:14<lente>is it possible to list all packages that are needed by build-essential and dependeces?
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14:15<lente>than i could copy them from my directory on my hdd to the hdd on the other system....
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14:15<newsense>i think i told ya a way earlier
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14:16<lente>newsense: and what about the dependent packages?
14:16<mordy>can i have two different sessions on my computer using two different NICs?
14:16<newsense>should be included ass well
14:16<dpkg>ass is, like, what you're sitting on, the thing that you're riding, possibly the thing you're admiring.
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14:18<gizmokaka>check something
14:18<gizmokaka>check something else
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14:38<mordy>can i have two different sessions on my computer using two different NICs?
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14:44<kstar>Hi. Let's say I have a copy of /var/cache/apt/archives containing a whole bunch of .deb's from another computer in my machine. I have low internet speeds, so I want to install them using apt. How could I do that?
14:44<newsense>dpkg -i
14:44<dpkg>newsense: i haven't a clue
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14:45<kstar>newsense: But that will not fix dependency trees nicely, will it?
14:45<kstar>newsense: Is there no way of getting apt to do this (considering that apt-cache add is not yet implemented on my copy)
14:46<newsense>not sure
14:47<mordy>kstar - try apt-cacher or apt-proxy
14:47<mordy>i haven't tried it myself yet, but i have a similar problem, and that was recommended
14:47<mordy>and tell me how it goes ;-)
14:48<kstar>mordy: Thanks.
14:48<newsense>or read dpks man page
14:49*mordy , ugh, man
14:49<newsense>might be able to tweak that file to accomplish that too
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14:51<kstar>mordy: approx seems to be a good tool here. Thanks for the pointers.
14:52<mordy>i should try it myself. i'm just knowcked out and lazy :(
14:54<kstar>mordy: Hm... no. approx seems to be maintaining its own cache, independent of apt's cache
14:55<kstar>mordy: apt-proxy seems better, because it claims it can import from the current /var/cache/apt
14:55<mordy>gah, you're making me curious :!
14:56<mordy>what does apt-cacher do? what is it good for?
14:56<kstar>mordy: Hold on. Let me read it's package description.
14:56<mordy>the question is where to install it
14:56<kstar>mordy: apt-cacher is almost equally capable. (maybe more)
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14:57<dpkg>rumour has it, apt-proxy is a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together., or see also <apt-cacher>, or look at the approx package
14:57<dpkg>methinks apt-cacher is a caching proxy designed specifically for use by Apt. at, or a nifty tool
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14:58<mordy>hmm... i don't know if i want a *mirror* necessarily
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15:01<mordy>kstar - i'm still confused though - the apt-proxy seems to be static
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15:02<mordy>kstar - it seems simply like a mirror - whereas i want something dynamic - i.e. that it should cache any package i download from any computer on the server - as long as it uses the proxy
15:03<mordy>basically a trigger - like a regular proxy server - but only for apt
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15:08<stevecotton>kstar - I think you can just copy the entire /var/cache/apt tree (not just .../archives)
15:09<mordy>stevecotton, isn't there anything better?
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15:10<stevecotton>if it's stable/testing, jigdo would work
15:11<stevecotton>that's a bit fiddly though
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15:11<mordy>meh, i still see it as a workaround - apt-* can't do anything?
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15:12<stevecotton>probably, but no-one who's in this channel seems to know. Work it out, and write the FAQ :)
15:12<mordy>i'm just a newb
15:13<Txt_file>is 15s for booting a debian ok??
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15:14<mordy>oh, for another question - is it possible to use two different NICs at once? at least on two different simultaneous sessions?
15:14<mordy>i want to test my wifi and see if it's working - and perhaps more
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15:14<snogglethorpe>Txt_file: seems ok
15:15<snogglethorpe>Txt_file: do you tink it should be less?
15:15<aptituz>if you tell how you reach that?
15:15<schmichael>mordy: network-manager does not support multiple connections, but you can edit /etc/network/interfaces to manually setup as many connections as you like
15:15<aptituz>(till init boots my kernel already eats 30s to boot according to the kernel timestamps)
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15:15<stevecotton>mordy - the keyword for finding the FAQ is "multihome"
15:15<kstar>Oops, was away doing this.
15:16<snogglethorpe>aptituz: my new debian system seems to boot into X _really_ fast
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15:16<Txt_file>snogglethorpe: it is jus the debian core and 5s for grub
15:16<snogglethorpe>aptituz: but if it needs to fsck the disks or something, it takes longer
15:16<mordy>schmichael - network manager is the first gui i dropped
15:16<kstar>mordy: If you ever want to use apt-proxy, see this first (I know it's Ubuntu, but that's on the first few Google results):
15:16<aptituz>snogglethorpe: much related to hardware I think
15:16<snogglethorpe>I get the feeling it may be forking off X early in some cases
15:16<kstar>stevecotton: I tried that too, didn't seem to work
15:16<schmichael>mordy: network-manager works for me, but for any non-trivial net setup, it just gets in the way :-/
15:17<mordy>kstar - i look at ubuntu faqs all the time - lots of info out there
15:17<mordy>scmichael - everything i do is non-trivial on debian :p
15:19<kstar>mordy: Larger user base :-|
15:19<schmichael>ubuntu does have some great docs
15:19<schmichael>i appreciate their use of stylesheets ;)
15:19<mordy>i guess - i used a live CD of ubuntu once - didn't like it much
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15:20<mordy>but it's the most common distro out there
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15:22<mordy>before i try to do anything else - how do i (using the terminal) switch to an active session (on the client)?
15:22<mordy>on XDMCP
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15:24<mordy>don't tell me i can't :( i could do it on windoze
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15:26<snogglethorpe>wtf is xdmcp?
15:26<mordy>hehe, it's remote desktop basically
15:27<mordy>but not VNC - i don't know how it works. similar to RDP i guess
15:27<mordy>apparently it's not all that popular
15:27<snogglethorpe>mordy: is this fast like you wanted?
15:27<snogglethorpe>mordy: you were all dpressed over how slow vnc was
15:27<mordy>snogglethorpe - it works perfectly
15:28<snogglethorpe>mordy: hmm cool
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15:28<mordy>i'm wondering if there's something better - i'm looking into virtualgl
15:28<snogglethorpe>mordy: it works with debian then?
15:28<mordy>it's built into X
15:30<mordy>snogglethorpe - i'm using this crappy MSI wind, and am logged into three simultaneous sessions. you can choose "new login" and then login to multiple terminals and they're all at different virtual consoles - cool - no?
15:30<snogglethorpe>mordy: ahh
15:30<mordy>well, maybe i'm just finding this fascinating because windoze limits it to one
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15:30<snogglethorpe>mordy: it's native X protocol then...
15:31<mordy>yes, it's 'insecure' though - but i don't care about it - i'm using it over a local lan anyway
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15:32<mordy>here is the prototype of the next windows: "Security Warning: are you sure you want to click the mouse? clicking the mouse may cause harmful effects to your operating system"
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15:35<mordy>either X uses very little memory, or linux's memory management is excellent - takes about a second to switch X consoles
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15:43<dmstaton>xdcc get
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15:44<dmstaton>help /?
15:45<dmstaton>xdccc get [xbox]-st-09346 #23
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15:46<dmstaton>dcc get
15:46<themill>dmstaton: stop that
15:47<dmstaton>not sure how to use this.
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15:49<mordy_>how do i switch to a client session on a terminal?
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15:49<mordy_>using XDMCP?
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15:54<dpkg>You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>.
15:54<valdyn>mordy_: ^^^ is more popular
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15:55<valdyn>mordy_: its pretty similar actually, just encrypted and for individual applications
15:56<mordy_>valdyn - and moves even further away from what i actually want
15:56<valdyn>mordy_: that "individual app" could be a whole desktop though
15:56<valdyn>mordy_: yea, i dont know what you want really
15:56<mordy_>valdyn - lol
15:57<mordy_>valdyn: my aim here is this - at least for the moment - i want to use *that* session
15:57<valdyn>mordy_: whats that supposed to mean?
15:58<valdyn>mordy_: sessions persisting disconnects?
15:58<valdyn>mordy_: thats not what X does
15:58<mordy_>what does persistign disconnect mean?
15:58<valdyn>mordy_: that the apps keep running if you disconnect or switch off the computer that is displaying stuff
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15:59<mordy_>valdyn - is there something that does that?
15:59<valdyn>mordy_: vnc does that
15:59<valdyn>mordy_: what "gah"? to slow?
16:00<valdyn>mordy_: look into nx or freenx
16:00<mordy_>valdyn - it's not only the speed - it's also the resolution
16:00<valdyn>mordy_: the resolution only depends on your configuration
16:00<mordy_>valdyn - i can't use VNC when my client is 1024x600 and server is 1440x900
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16:01<mordy_>and VNC is *Too* much of what i want :(
16:01<mordy_>maybe i'll just look into freenx
16:02<mordy_>although i'm wondering if xrdp provides classic RDP functionality, or only supports the rdp protocol
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16:02<jsid>is there a command to view all running processes in terminal?
16:03<newsense>ps -a
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16:03<jsid>and, where do i go to edit which processes run during boot?
16:03<valdyn>!wayttd jsid
16:03<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, jsid?
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16:04<jsid>well i have some unnecessary stuff slowing my boot time, and i suspect some unnecessary processes eating my ram
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16:05<valdyn>jsid: like what?
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16:06<jsid>well, specifically dhclient, which, at boot, appears to look for a dhcp provider at 255.255.255...
16:06<mordy_>meh, just tested xrdp - not doing it
16:06<valdyn>jsid: thas how dhcp works
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16:06<valdyn>jsid: you can disable getting an ip address via dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces
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16:06<jsid>well, it never finds anything and it takes like 5 minutes each time, is there a way i can direct it to an ap?
16:07<valdyn>jsid: man interfaces, man wireless
16:07<jsid>right right, appreciated
16:08<jsid>is it normal to have to force an ap through iwconfig each time you use the net? or is there an easier way in interfaces/wireless?
16:08<pucallpa>some about tomcat?
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16:08<volt>Hi, I have a problem with wget : whene I want download a file with a redirection, (wget for example) it download a .php file and not the file wich I want
16:08<mordy_>jsid - just add the wireless ap in the interfaces file
16:09<volt>Can we download these files with php redirection ?
16:09<volt>with wget
16:09<mordy_>in mine it's wpa-ssid - if no security, i gather the option is "ssid"
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16:10<jsid>i'll check the man files and work with it, thanks a lot to the both of you
16:13<mordy_>valdyn - before i start cracking my head on freenx - it provides the same performance (or better) than XDMCP?
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16:18<skizzo>mordy_: not to butt in, but I'm using freenx because xdmcp wasn't cutting it for me.
16:18<skizzo>freenx compresses data and also provides encryption
16:19<mordy_>skizzo- compression isn't what i need - i'm running over lan - but it seems i'll use it - it supports disconnect persisiting?
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16:20<mordy_>i tried nxserver - had bad experience with it. also not supported here :p
16:21<skizzo>mordy_: well, they're amazingly similar, so you may still have a bad experience with it ;-p
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16:22<mordy_>nah, i just hold a grudge against it :p - but tht's because it crashed under windoze using an external usb graphics card, but i no longer have windoze, and that card isnt' supported until linux
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16:22<mordy_>sisusbvga - but the model i'm using is 0950
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16:26<skizzo>mordy_: external usb graphics? It just sounds like you were asking for trouble :)
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16:26<mordy_>skizzo - it was DVI - and i don't have DVI on this laptop - and i mainly read text - so it's a big difference for me
16:27<mordy_>i'm using VGA, and my eyes are already rather sore :(
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16:27<sheldonh>console for the win
16:27<sheldonh>i can 80x25 all day :)
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16:30<skizzo>I'm still waiting for the computer that plugs right into your brain so I don't have to use my eyes...
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16:31<sheldonh>skizzo: or your brain :P
16:31<mordy_>my brain
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16:32<sheldonh>skizzo: you can just do what the voices in your head say :)
16:32*mordy_ bangs on head to see if there's anything there
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16:32*sheldonh whispers "make every day maconalds day"
16:32<mordy_>and you can run different sessions for different voices:D
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16:39<mordy_>what's the command for CPU temperature?
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16:42<abach> /window 2
16:42<abach> /window 2
16:43<newsense>mordy install lm-sensors
16:44<Laeborg>how do i do so Iceweasel use my 2nd ip ?
16:44<Laeborg>or nevermind ;)
16:45<Laeborg>oh doesn't worked
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16:46<skizzo>Along the lines of Iceweasel... I can't seem to get FF3 to install from source on my Debian box - is there a .deb file laying around somewhere for it yet?
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16:54<teamanx>Hello. I am trying to set up a NFSv3 mount over Kerberos. Has anybody suceeded on it?
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17:03<asl1>como esta la vaina
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17:06<skizzo>ah, I remember now - I can't seem to install gtk2.10 - awesome
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17:08<fnask>my etch system freezes sometimes when i play movies with any video player.. the screen gets black.. then the film runs for 4 sec.. then it hangs
17:09<fnask>is it my gfx card or the drivers?
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17:24<eddieB>i need help running IceWeasel. it opens for a split second then closes. anyone know what's going on?
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17:27<dr>Hi all!
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17:30<dr>could you help me please... I have additional HDD and I could format it how could I do it right? I run mke2fs /dev/hda but when I enter fdisk -l after formatting it says me disk dev/hda doesn't contain valid partition table...
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17:33<dr>what I did wrong?
17:34<dr>someone help me please....!!!!
17:34<fnask>have you tried gparted?
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17:35<caffn>Good evening!
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17:36<dr>what's gparted?
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17:36<caffn>Gparted is a GUI for fdisk
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17:37<Txt_file>caffn .. not for parted??
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17:37<Txt_file>it can be that I am wrong :)
17:38<caffn>If he doesnt know what gparted is, he wont know parted either :P
17:38<caffn>So i'll just call it fdisk (A) :P
17:38<Txt_file>caffn hmm ... ok
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17:38<dr>Xwindows don't installed on my comp and I am afraid I can't lunch gparted
17:39*caffn can't have lunch with gparted either.
17:39*caffn is btw finally using Sid now =)
17:39<blackatk>then use fdisk
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17:40<dr>it's easy to say than to use it ))
17:40<caffn>Why? Fdisk is easy to use.
17:40<dr>i'm newby in LInux
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17:41<caffn>Why won't gparted launch? Any errors?
17:41<dr>gparted is just a GUI for fdisk?
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17:42<caffn>Yeah.. Sort of.
17:43<dr>and if i want to lunch something with GUI interface I must have xwindow installed?
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17:43<Txt_file>dr: if you are a newbie ... why you have no GUI
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17:44<newsense>thats how i learned
17:44<caffn>Same here
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17:44<caffn>My first debian-machine.. or linux-machine at all didnt have a gui, since I used it as a server
17:44<newsense>till i seen my friends with windows and installed xfree86
17:44<dr>i'm newby admin)) admin do not want GUI....))
17:44<SharkMa-san>I started with DOS
17:44<blackatk>used debian, no x...
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17:44<newsense>redhat no gui here :(
17:45*caffn has 1 debian with gui, and 1 debian without. :P
17:45<blackatk>i started to HATE windows, when i learned about run levels, and my love for bash grew.. with ssh and screen
17:45<blackatk>check out finnix
17:45<blackatk>slim, 170 mb, pure debian testing. union fs.. the knoppix for lin admins.
17:45<SharkMa-san>vista is pure crap, and that made me finally switch to linux
17:45<blackatk>no x
17:46<amphi>what's wrong with poor vista? I've not seen it, but no one seems to have a good word for it
17:47<newsense>seems like a nice repair tool
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17:47<caffn>It slows ur pc down like hell, tries to be a saver OS "you need admin rights to do this, click ok to do so" ;D
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17:47<SharkMa-san>and windows update is slow as hell
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17:47<SharkMa-san>also in xp though
17:47<blackatk>well that and it is based again off of nt
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17:48<blackatk>win 7 is going to basically take vista and go back to the drawing board
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17:48<SharkMa-san>I was updating my brother's laptop, and it searched 10 minutes for updates
17:48<SharkMa-san>took 10 minutes only to look what updates are available for it
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17:49<SharkMa-san>and the downloading + installing took so long I left before it was done
17:49<caffn>Lol ;D
17:49<SharkMa-san>it was about 20 updates
17:50<SharkMa-san>you install 1000 updates in linux faster than that
17:50<SharkMa-san>especially with adept
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17:50<dr>how to mount /dev/hda1 to /var/cache/squid directory?
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17:50<caffn>mount /dev/hda1 /var/cache/squid
17:50<caffn>As root
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17:51<SharkMa-san>caffn: and that wasn't all of it... it didn't install SP1 at all
17:51<SharkMa-san>I need to install it to his comp some day
17:51<Txt_file>amphi: I have a good word for vista ... the design is good ... but the system behind it is worst
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17:51<caffn>My friend is using vista, but he downloaded it.. U know.. Non-free software ;D Once every month I need to re-crack his vista ;D
17:51<amphi>design? of what?
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17:52<dr>i get err: mount: you must specifi filesystem type
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17:52<caffn>Do you know the filesystem?
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17:52<pucallpa>talk about better things
17:52<caffn>mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /var/cache/squid
17:53<caffn> :p
17:53<qq_>dr: isn't /dev/hda1 already mounted on "/" ?
17:54<qq_>what does say "df -h " ?
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17:54<Txt_file>amphi: of vista
17:55<Txt_file>caffn: I have a few images of 64Bit vista's but no one will run
17:55<dr>I don't know...
17:55<dr>how to check it?
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17:55<caffn>I have one that actually works, it's just the activation-crack that seems to get lost once in a while
17:55<qq_>dr: [23:52:58] <qq_> what does say "df -h " ?
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17:56<dr>about /dev/hda1 nothing...
17:57<qq_>dr: who tell you to mount "/dev/hda1 /var/cache/squid" ??
17:57<dr>I'm to myself)
17:57<qq_>2who installed that system ?
17:57<dr>i'm too
17:57<qq_>and when ?
17:58<dr>two days ago
17:58<qq_>don't recall , your partitioning ?
17:59<dr>i installed debian under vmvare
18:00<qq_>hehe, than ask vmvare !
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18:01<dr>/dev/hda is additional hdd...
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18:02<qq_>never /dev/hda could be an additional hdd ...
18:02<caffn>Yes it can..
18:02<caffn>If /dev/sda is the primairy disc )
18:02<qq_>except you are an expert
18:02<dr>sda hdd where installed debian is out of free space and I mounted ide hdd hda
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18:03*caffn installed debian on hdc.. Dunno why ;D hda and hdb are opticals, sda/sdb is data.. hdd is data.. :p
18:04<dr>but I can't properly fornat it and mount to /var/cache/squid
18:04<qq_>dr, as you are in wmvare , ask wmvare
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18:05<qq_>and wmvare is not a debian package
18:06<dr>vmvare for Windows
18:06<qq_>who care
18:06<dr>i'm not
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18:07<qq_>dr: wrong , you use it, so you care
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18:08<dr>when I try mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /var/cache/suid it says me VFS: can't find ext3 filesystem type
18:09<noflash>!tell devil_away -about away
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18:09<dr> says me can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hda1
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18:11<caffn>Try entering the error on google, lot's of topics about that
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18:11<dr>ok, thanks anyway!
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18:13<Txt_file1>what package is needed for the patch-command
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18:14<amphi>Txt_file1: patch ;)
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18:20<noflash>Txt-file, try apt-get install patch man patch
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18:26<jonathanpoon>hey guys....I'm trying to install Lenny on my new PC with a software raid setup. I can't seem to have multiple partitions on my raid setup....what could I be doing wrong? this is through the installation menu....
18:27<Laeborg>how can i see other computers at my network?
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18:33<ptr>Hmm. I'm trying to connect a firewire device, and failing. Using kernel 2.6.23, and firewire_core is loaded, but I plug it in and nothing shows up in dmesg
18:33<ptr>Is there an ieee1394 equivalent to 'lsusb'?
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18:35<newsense>lshw ?
18:36<ptr>hmm, okay, sorry---there *is* something showing up in dmesg. But still no device in /dev/
18:36<ptr>firewire_core: giving up on config rom for node id ffc1
18:36<ptr>firewire_core: phy config: card 0, new root=ffc0, gap_count=5
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18:37<ptr>lshw doesn't detect firewire devices, unfortunately
18:37<newsense>hwinfo ?
18:37<newsense>i have firewire but have never used it
18:37<newsense>just giving suggestions
18:37<ptr>thanks :)
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18:40<newsense> check that site too
18:42<ptr>Installed, but thanks :)
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18:54<Demented666>i wanted to run debian
18:54<Demented666>on a usb flash drve but i dont know
18:54<Demented666>witch files to download
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18:57<Txt-file>I am not sure ... will a simple install to usb-stick work
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19:14<abrotman>!tell Demented666 about usb install
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19:16<Demented666>sorry i left
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19:19<Demented666>so it dose not work?
19:19<abrotman>!usb install
19:19<dpkg>[usb install] Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide , see "usb stick" section for images. (Older, outdated articles and
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19:21<Demented666>!usb install
19:21<dpkg>usb install is, like, Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide , see "usb stick" section for images. (Older, outdated articles and
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19:28<Demented666>i found this
19:28<Demented666>but i dont know if its the right one
19:29<abrotman>did you read any of the links above ?
19:30<abrotman>or all of them ?
19:30<abrotman>you probably want the last one
19:30<Demented666>yes ill look again
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20:04<Demented666>thanks, i will try it now bye
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20:06<kurumin>to entendendo porra nanhuma
20:06<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
20:06<kurumin>mais mesmo assim fodase
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20:08<kurumin> e ai amigos
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20:08<kurumin>tem alguem do brazil aii
20:09<kurumin>q use o curumin
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20:14<jidm>Hi. I have 2 ethernet ports on my pc. But network-manager is monitoring the one i'm not using. Is there a way to change this? I want to set network-manager to see the other ethernet port.. Thanks
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20:22<dpalacio>jidm: network-manager only manages interfaces that are not handled by /etc/network/interfaces. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/
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20:24<benjamindees>is it just me or has the pidgin backport lost the ability to connect to myspaceIM ?
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20:29<Txt-file>benjamindees: I think just you ...
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22:37<k1lumin4t1>anybody around?
22:37<k1lumin4t1>I don't stop getting this problem on Debian Etch
22:37<xbj9000>I'm around
22:37<k1lumin4t1>"unknown error executing gpgv"
22:37<xbj9000>but I don't know what that is
22:37<k1lumin4t1>that's whenever I do something with apt
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23:37<sheldonh>it's a pity nobody noticed that dr had used his whole disk for a filesystem, so of course it didn't contain a valid partition table
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23:59<lginn02>how do I unpack a Gzipped Tar file
23:59<fsloke>right click then
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