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---Logopened Tue Jul 22 00:00:04 2008
---Daychanged Tue Jul 22 2008
00:00<dondelelcaro>!tgz
00:00<dpkg>to unarchive: tar -zxvf blah.tar.gz, to create: tar -zcvf blah.tar.gz ...
00:00<fsloke>extract Here
00:00<fsloke>finish
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00:00<fsloke>dun use command prompt to extract
00:00<fsloke>use interface
00:00<lginn02>so use the terminal
00:00<fsloke>Do you all got install a modem driver?
00:00<dondelelcaro>lginn02: yes, that's the easy way.
00:01<lginn02>oh ok
00:01<fsloke>you can see the tar and gz
00:01<dondelelcaro>there are other ways, but how you use them depends on which desktop you're using and other things; the command line is universal.
00:01<fsloke>actually this is 2 level compression file
00:01<lginn02>im usung kde in ubuntu
00:01<dondelelcaro>fsloke: huh?
00:02<fsloke>Erm... do you all got install the modem in Linux?
00:02<fsloke>Yes, I using Ubuntu
00:02<dondelelcaro>fsloke, lginn02: Ubuntu isn't on topic here; you want #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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00:03<dondelelcaro>!tell fsloke -about winmodem
00:03<fsloke>ok
00:03<mosty>how can i change the slapd admin password after it has been installed? i need to do this from a script, so dpkg-reconfigure won't work for me in this case
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00:04<lginn02>ya i know i figured since its based on debian i would get help here since i can never get my questions answered in the ubuntu channel
00:04<dondelelcaro>lginn02: there are lots of things based on Debian, but we only support Debian here; if we were supporting Ubuntu, we'd be in #ubuntu
00:04<xbj9000>what's your issue? I use ubuntu on my other PC
00:05<fsloke>how to install the modem?
00:06<lginn02>i wasnt reall in here for ubuntu i got my question answered already about the tar file
00:06<MuTPyXa>tell me somebody how make cluster with some SQL (Postgresql, firebird) on debian?
00:06<fsloke>MuTPyXa i don't know
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00:07<MuTPyXa>fsloke, tnx
00:07<fsloke>ya easy for extract
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00:27<eyen>I probably shouldn't be too worried
00:27<eyen>but linux crashed on me D:
00:28<eyen>well more of a freeze, only certain things like firefox and kill seemed to do nothing
00:28<eyen>then when I tried to reboot ACPI daemon couldn't be stopped
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00:30<xbj9000>eyen, old computer?
00:30<eyen>nope, about a year old
00:31<eyen>uptime was about 2 days
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00:31<eyen>I was just a bit surprised because I've never had anything like this since I started using linux :/
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00:33<FFrom>scenario is pci slot scsi controller with a drive connected to it that i want to use for my root fs, onboard sata contains one large sata drive for storage, cant seem to get a working boot, what kinda stuff do i try to fix this?
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00:34<FFrom>i checked in my bios, and the boot priority is showing the scsi contoller first, i would have thougt there would be no conflicts
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00:54<FFrom>scenario is pci slot scsi controller with a drive connected to it that i want to use for my root fs, onboard sata contains one large sata drive for storage, cant seem to get a working boot, what kinda stuff do i try to fix this?
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00:55<FFrom>any tips would be greatky appreciated, ive read a few posts about similar problems, id like to not boot from the sata drive, if at all possible
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02:37<Baggy2>Hi all! I've got a critical question regarding gcc. How do I compile my libs against the debug libraries without including debug info? I am making commercial libs and don't want anyone to be able to get the source code..
02:38<Baggy2>I guess I shouldn't be asking this in a open source channel, but the commercial lib is just part of a package with open source libraries..
02:39<infotron>Baggy2: iceweasel has stripped and -dbg packages.
02:40<dondelelcaro>Baggy2: you just compile with debug info, then strip.
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02:41<Baggy2>Thanks, I'll search the docs on how to strip :)
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02:49<Baggy2>Hmm... would my lib link with libraries that have been compiled with the -g switch if mine has not? In Windows this won't work as it would use different runtimes..
02:50<Baggy2>Resulting in lots of LNK2005 errors...
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02:54<Baggy2>dondelelcaro: I wasn't aware of that strip tool. "strip --strip-debug libMyDebug.a" worked like a charm =) thanks!
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02:59<infotron>lnk2005 errors. HAH :P
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03:04<Baggy2>infotron: does that mean you don't have that kind a problem in Linux? I guess there are different runtime libraries for debug and release? -MT and -MD switches?
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03:05<Baggy2>Meant -MT and -MTd or -MD or -MDd
03:05<Baggy2>not necessariliy debug and release..
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03:08<morgan`>hi
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03:33<Baggy2>dondelelcaro: err.. I just ran into a minor problem. Some of my libs are crosscompiled for arm. When strip is run on these libraries it doesn't recognize the format. Any suggestions?
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03:37<xbj9000>if I want the standby button on my laptop to first take down the network with ifconfig wlan0 down, where would I add that?
03:38<xbj9000>if I forget to do that, it hangs on resume
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03:49<dondelelcaro>Baggy2: so use arm-linux-strip or similar
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03:49<dondelelcaro>Baggy2: or whatever the strip is for arm that you built for your cross-compile suite.
03:50<Baggy2>dondelelcaro: that's the thing really, I didn't make the toolchain, and it doesn't contain any arm version of strip :(
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03:51<Baggy2>found -Wl, --strip-debug but I guess I need an option for gcc..
03:51<Baggy2>not the linker..
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03:58<mordy__>i'm getting "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop." when i try to compile a driver. what packages am i missing?
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04:05<dondelelcaro>Baggy2: well, then you need to bug whoever made the toolchain, because it's slightly broken otherwise
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04:15<Baggy2>dondelelcaro: Thanks, I'll do just that. Just wanted to figure out if there were any other possibilities..
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04:57<padski>I have a multi-homed asterisk box. I am trying to make it so that ESTABLISHED/RELATED packets go out the same interface the connection came in on, but I am missing a trick.
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05:31<Padski_>I have a multi-homed asterisk server, each interface connects to a different isp. I want to make it so that established/related packets go back out the interface the connections came in. To this end I am fiddling about with conntrack_sip and connmark, but I am not winning (yet). any auggestions ?
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05:40<steven>hi all
05:41<steven>is http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ santioned by debian?
05:41<themill>no, but many of us use it
05:41<sheldonh>Padski_: for NEW, set the packet MARK, save the packet mark to the CONNMARK, then _clear_ the packet MARK
05:41<themill>(and it is run by a debian developer)
05:41<Padski_>!multimedia
05:41<dpkg>methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
05:42<sheldonh>Padski_: on OUTPUT (or PREROUTING), restore the CONNMARK to the packet mark
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05:43<sheldonh>Padski_: then add a rule that looks up the default route on a different table when the fwmark is set
05:43<Padski_>sheldonh, yeah, that's the kind of thing I was trying to do. buest I can guess, at prerouting time the packet doesn't already have a source address and so isn't matching the connection tracking :-(
05:44<steven>themill: are the packages in http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ as safe as offical debian packages
05:44<steven>?
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05:45<themill>steven: Depends on your point of view. Safe as in not trojaned? yes. Safe as in not buggy? no. Safe as in not patent-encumbered and won't get you sued? no. Safe as in doesn't tarnish your moral stance on freedom? definitely not.
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05:46<Padski_>shiny, shiny moral stance ;-)
05:46<steven>themill: safe as in no malware?
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05:47<themill>steven: depends on your view of what malware is. Acrobat will try to display ads to you and will call home to see if there are new versions available. Is that malware?
05:49<steven>themill: I mean as in rootkits, viruses, worms or spyware?
05:49<themill>And the fundamental question is, would you trust the advice I'm giving you about debian-multimedia.org anyway? How do you know that I'm not the guy inserting trojans and now telling you that it's safe? You've got to trust things at some stage.
05:50<themill>steven: none known. As I said, it's maintained by a respected debian developer. But some of the things in there are non-free binary blobs and so no-one knows what is in them.
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05:50<steven>ok
05:51<steven>themill: ok
05:51<mordy__>i'm trying to compile a driver - but am getting this message : "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop." - what packages am i missing?
05:51<mordy__>or rather which ones should i make sure i have?
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05:52<petemc>kernel headers
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05:52<mordy__>and how do i know the exact kernel i'm using?
05:52<Padski_>this is the iptables rules I have been trying http://paste.debian.net/12174/
05:53<petemc>mordy__: linux-headers-`uname -r`
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05:54<petemc>mordy__: if you take some time to look at the error you have, it should have been obvious
05:55<mordy__>doh. indeed, petemc
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05:58<Marx1982>hi
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05:59<mordy__>hehe, i successfully compiled my first driver (big deal, big deal)
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06:00<Marx1982>I'm running Debian with windows in a secondary partition. How can I use grub to scan and update the file menu.lst avoiding to manually edit it?
06:01<mordy__>"driver for device wlan0 has been compiled with version 22 of wireless extension, while this program supports up to version 20. some things may be broken..." - what do i do abut this?
06:01<Marx1982>When I installed the OS for the first time it found all the OSs
06:01<themill>mordy__: you can install an updated version of wireless tools from backports.org that fixes that warning (although it's not actually a problem)
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06:02<mordy__>how updated? i'm using lenny - the sid version then?
06:02<themill>err... I don't think you should be getting that warning under lenny...
06:03<mordy__>themill - it's a brand new shiny driver - from last week
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06:04<mordy__>let's see if it works though - some things seem weird - the bitrate defaults to 11
06:05<mordy__>hmm.. but that's weird -maybe apt-get update wireless-tools?
06:06<mordy__>doh.it's not lenny
06:07*mordy__ is slow today
06:07<mordy__>the computer i'm using now is lenny, but the driver is being installed on etch
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06:11<drag0n>Hey, I'm running etch (netinst) on a dell poweredge xeon. I'm trying to install xen with 64bit support, but it's failing to boot after installing the binary tarball. I went googling for a deb package, turns out this http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 is available, but it's not showing up in my repos. any ideas?
06:11<mordy__>drag0n - you need ia64 for xeon, not amd64
06:12<drag0n>is that not itanium?
06:12<mordy__>yes, but i don't think xeon is amd64
06:12<mordy__>are you sure it's amd64?
06:12<drag0n>Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5420 @ 2.50GHz
06:13<drag0n>The current kernel is amd64
06:13<drag0n>uname -r 2.6.18-6-amd64
06:13<themill>!xeon
06:13<dpkg>The Xeon brand refers to many families of Intel's x86 multiprocessing CPUs – for dual-processor (DP) and multi-processor (MP) configuration on a single motherboard targeted at non-consumer markets of server and workstation computers. For more details see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon, or use amd64 as arch
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06:14<mordy__>hehe, i was wrong :|
06:14<sheldonh>mordy__: amd64 is _the_ reference implementation for 64bit architectures for several operating systems, e.g. freebsd
06:14<sheldonh>drag0n: what do you mean by "not showing up in my repos"?
06:15<mordy__>hehe, i was wrong. i know amd64 isn't necessarily amd - since i'm using an intel too
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06:16<drag0n>aptitude search xen-linux-system is only returning 686 packages..
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06:17<themill>drag0n: what does "arch" output?
06:17<sheldonh>drag0n: sounds like lenny
06:17<drag0n>x86_64
06:17<drag0n>It's etch.
06:18<sheldonh>drag0n: x86_64 != amd64, surely?
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06:18<drag0n>the amd64 kernel package is the 64bit kernel.
06:18<themill>drag0n: can you pastebin your sources.list and the output of apt-get update --print-uris
06:19<drag0n>that's not my problem, my problem is not being able to apt install the deb pasted above.
06:19<drag0n>themill: ill pastebin now
06:20<drag0n>http://pastebin.com/m1dab6e75
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06:21<sheldonh>drag0n: what do you think the link is between linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 and xen-linux-system-*-686?
06:23<drag0n>sheldonh: I don't know. Will the 686 xen image there be able to address 8GB of RAM?
06:23<themill>drag0n: was that paste for me? that wasn't what I asked for.
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06:23<drag0n>will it have 64bit support?
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06:23<sheldonh>drag0n: of course not (re 64bit support). i'll assume you're not answering my question, because i can't see the connection between mine and yours :)
06:24<mike_>classic 0
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06:25<drag0n>themill: the text is tripping the spam filter.
06:25<themill>try rafb.net/paste then
06:26<sheldonh>rafb ftw. the only thing that sucks is the rate limiter (for pasting a bunch of config files from command line)
06:26<drag0n>http://rafb.net/p/Ktk84H70.html
06:26<sheldonh>if syntax highlighting is important to you, pastie's nice
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06:27<themill>drag0n: you installed the i386 version of debian not the amd64 arch. That's why that module is not available.... packages.debian.org shows you that it is an amd64 package not an i386 packge.
06:27<drag0n>ah, i realised that.
06:27<drag0n>brb
06:27*sheldonh smirks
06:27<sheldonh>[12:19] <drag0n> that's not my problem
06:28<sheldonh>mind you, i guess it _wasn't_ your problem. not quite, anyway :)
06:28<themill>(running the amd64 kernel under i386 doesn't change the debian arch you're running)
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06:28<themill>sheldonh: what does "arch" print under amd64? (I'm not sure...)
06:29<T_X>hi there, is anybody here using sirc? how can I add timestamps for every line of output?
06:29<T_X>it's a bit annoying to have no idea when somebody posted what when I go through the logs...
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06:29<sheldonh>themill: i thought it was amd64
06:29<drag0n>I installed the 386 version by mistake. I changed the kernel afterwards.
06:30<drag0n>themill: How do I change the arch ?
06:30<themill>sheldonh: I don't have any amd64 boxes around here to check :( (although /bin/arch has disappeared in lenny anyway)
06:31<themill>drag0n: reinstall. If you want to keep your current package selection, /msg dpkg debian clone
06:31<sheldonh>themill: then i can't tell you either. i didn't realize etch's amd64 was a going concern
06:32<sheldonh>themill: hmmm, no that's rubbish, we used it to test the barcelonas
06:32<sheldonh>themill: but i can't do better than "pretty sure it's amd64" :)
06:33<themill>drag0n: please keep it in the channel
06:33<themill>dpkg: tell drag0n about debian clone
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06:35<drag0n>themill: ok sorry.
06:36<drag0n>themill: I thought you meant to pm you.
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06:36<maxb>themill: You're better off with "uname -m" than "arch"
06:36<themill>maxb: yeah, old habits :)
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06:37<eyen>x86_64 for arch
06:37<mordy__>hmm... i changed my /network/interfaces but the changes don't seem to be reflected in ifconfig - despite ifconfig wlan0 down ifconfig.. up and ifup .. ifdown
06:37<themill>eyen: and uname -m ?
06:38<eyen>same
06:38<mordy__>and dmesg is reporting everything as normal
06:38<themill>:( so we can't use that to tell the difference between amd64 arch and i386 running amd64 kernel :(
06:39<gsimmons>!what's my architecture
06:39<dpkg>dpkg --print-architecture
06:39<themill>duh. I need coffee.
06:39<drag0n>themill: Ok, I've just talked with my colleage and we've decided we're going to reinstall with the amd64 netinstall cd. hopefully then we will be able to install the above package from apt.
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06:39<mordy__>hmm.. route and route - n shows nothing at all - do i need to add a route? would that explain why ifconfig isn't showing anything?
06:40<sheldonh>drag0n: wait, which one?
06:40<sheldonh>drag0n: oh, you mean etch amd64 netinst? yeah, go for it
06:40<themill>gsimmons: I was thinking dpkg-architecture, but that's only in dpkg-dev that won't be installed...
06:40<drag0n>yeah. If ye know a faster way of getting etch xen installed with 64bit then let me know :)
06:41<sheldonh>drag0n: doubt it. but i _am_ interested in hearing what difference it makes :)
06:41<gsimmons>themill: Ah yes, much more verbose.
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06:41<drag0n>Can it be done from the debian installer? (install the xen kernel that is)
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06:42<sheldonh>drag0n: particularly on xeons, the worst performing task switchers since the pentium II
06:42<steve_>wo is den der codument root bei debian ?
06:42<steve_>document*
06:42<steve_>für den apahce
06:42<mordy__>#debian-de?
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06:43<avu>!de
06:43<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
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06:46<fnask>my etch system freezes sometimes when i play movies with any video player.. the screen gets black.. then the film runs for 4 sec.. then it hangs
06:47<fnask>is it my gfx card or the drivers?
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06:53<Padski_>looks like my outbound packets don't show up in PREROUTING. by the time they do show up they may have the wrong source address and not match the connection tracking :-(
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07:06<Fabio28Vr># sesso
07:06<Fabio28Vr>#sesso
07:07<marco__>salve a tutti
07:07<marco__>avrei un problema
07:07<marco__>di natura hardware
07:07<marco__>posso chiedere a voi?
07:07<MuTPyXa__>хуясе
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07:22<drag0n>themill: I've reinstalled the system with the amd64 netinst cd. that package is showing up now.
07:22<drag0n>thanks all.
07:22<themill>:)
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07:34<mordy__>hehe, installing debian seems like half the way to learning how to use the thing, provided you're not doing a local CD install
07:37<petemc>come again?
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07:38<mordy__>me? i've spent about an entire day just installing debian on each of my three machines
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07:38<weasel>heh
07:38<mordy__>and by "day" i mean a sleepless 24 hours
07:38<weasel>you liked it so much that you did it 20 times over? :)
07:39<mordy__>weasel, not really :p
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07:40<mordy__>the first machine got authentication errors - for that, allow_unauthenticated=true did the trick. on the second machine, allow_unauthenticated didn't work, and i needed to crack my head until i just tried running the installer from a different console - and that worked
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07:41<mordy__>and on the third machine, it was really a pain - i used a USB install with an ISO on the USB - but it kept reading the local target disk as the USB - i tried cracking my head until i just figured that something on the target disk was making the installer think it was the USB, so i zeroed it - that did the trick
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08:11<AgentNoel>Good evening
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08:11<AgentNoel>Do you know how to find out what conffiles have been modified on a system and back them up?
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08:12<lothar>Hi, I am new here and have a problem.
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08:12<AgentNoel>Hi lothar, I am pretty new myself, but I may be able to help
08:13<weasel>!ask
08:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
08:13<lothar>Would someone help me regarding rescuing a PPC mixed installation (Leopard/Debian) ?
08:13<ranix>lothar: ask your specific questions. Nobody here can do it for you, so I don't understand what that question means.
08:13<lothar>Rescue was used to reinstall yaboot and the Linux boot comes again back.
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08:14<ranix>fix your MBR
08:14<lothar>But I can't boot the Linux nor the Mac.
08:15<AgentNoel>Do you have a Debian install cd? Can you boot off that?
08:15<lothar>That's my problem, I am newbie to debian, only found out how to come into rescue and reinstall the mbr from the resue menu
08:15<lothar>Yes, DVD
08:15<AgentNoel>Are you able to boot that?
08:15<lothar>Booted from there into rescue...
08:15<lothar>Yes
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08:16<AgentNoel>Okay, do you know when you installed Debian what boot manager you used? Does Grub or LILO ring a bell?
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08:16<lothar>In resue I was able to mount the 5th partition wich contains the boot directory and vmlinux
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08:17<lothar>I think I used Grub
08:17<AgentNoel>In the boot directory, does it contain a 'grub' directory?
08:17<lothar>moment please, I will look
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08:18<lothar>No grub directory in /boot
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08:19<AgentNoel>What do you have in /boot/ (other than config...; initrd...; vmlinuz...; System...;)
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08:20<lothar>Several System.map files, vmlinux with version and some of them are named *powerpc
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08:21<ranix>maybe you never installed it to begin with
08:21<ranix>do you remember seeing a "grub" installer at any point
08:21<AgentNoel>Sorry, I do not use an Apple Mac myself, do you use Bootcamp? (my knowledge is non-existent on bootcamp)
08:22<AgentNoel>It is possible that no Linux boot loader is running rather another boot loader
08:22<zobel>[OT] someone an idea how i can monitor windows patchlevel from a debian box?
08:23<lothar>The bootloader shows l for Linux, x for Mac OS X and c for CD. Does this clarify something ?
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08:23<AgentNoel>Is this when you first turn on the Mac?
08:23<lothar>Yes
08:24<lothar>After reinstalling the Yaboot stuff I think (from rescue)
08:24<AgentNoel>What does the bootloader look like, does it have a blue background (for example)
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08:24<lothar>No, only text at the top left.
08:25<AgentNoel>On a grey background or black?
08:25<lothar>It is a black background (PPC miniMac)
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08:26<AgentNoel>And what happens when you select Mac OS X?
08:26<lothar>It shortly shows up the grey screen but comes back to boot selector :-(
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08:27<AgentNoel>That makes me think that the boot loader cannot find the Mac OS X kernel...
08:27<AgentNoel>What about Linux?
08:27<lothar>Did not start, because unknown filesystem or corrupted.
08:28<lothar>But I can mount it in rescue ???
08:29<AgentNoel>It probably means whatever the bootloader is, it does not know what partition to mount
08:30<AgentNoel>Sorry, just doing some research to see if I can figure this one out
08:30<AgentNoel>Does "rEFIt" ring a bell?
08:31<lothar>It tryies to load any device (pci) 0.4 what is propably correct, because my root is partition 5
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08:33<lothar>I'll try to chat from the rescue ;-)
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08:36<lothar>What do you mean with the last question (... ring a bell) ?
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08:38<AgentNoel>I was looking at some documentation on how to install Debian on a Mac and it referred to something called rEFIt and elilo
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08:39<lothar>I will boot up my third box on the right of my Mac, thus avoiding jumping to my living room and back to my office room.
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08:42<AgentNoel>lothar: I missed something before (I thought it was a typo), your boot loader is Yaboot right?
08:42<AgentNoel>Look at http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/yaboot/doc/yaboot-howto.shtml/ch9.en.shtml
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08:43<AgentNoel>Do you get the text "boot:"?
08:44<lothar>As I lastly have reinstalled it with rescue, yes.
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08:44<lothar>Yes I get the next boot
08:45<AgentNoel>Look at 9.3 on the link I have provided you
08:45<lothar>I will go to my other laptop now, just wait...
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08:48<lothar>Hi AgentNoel, I am back.
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08:48<lothar>It is Yaboot 1.3.13
08:49<AgentNoel>Great, do you still have the link I sent you?
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08:49<lothar>Oops, no.
08:49<AgentNoel>http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/yaboot/doc/yaboot-howto.shtml/ch9.en.shtml
08:49<AgentNoel>Look at 9.3
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08:51<lothar>Ahh, trying manually to select the partition and the like.
08:51<exxec>there is a tool to easy edit the scripts starting in diffrent runleves... but dont know the name
08:51<AgentNoel>Let me know how it goes. Good luck
08:51<exxec>can anyone help me?
08:51<exxec>its consoled based
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08:52<AgentNoel>Hi exxec, give me a sec to boot up my linux
08:52<AgentNoel>exxec: I believe it is called 'update-rc.d' but want to confirm it
08:52<exxec>ok thx i have look
08:54<AgentNoel>exxec: Yes, it is the one I am thinking of update-rc.d (look it up in the man pages)
08:54<lothar>AgentNoel: As I have partition 5 from the rescue partition selection, have I to enter hd:4,/boot/vmlinux ?
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08:56<AgentNoel>lothar: That would make sense, try it...
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08:57<AgentNoel>By the way, do you know whether the /boot directory is a mounted directory?
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08:58<lothar>No, but I have seen the content when mounting the 5'th partition.
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09:02<AgentNoel>Does anyone know how to identify changed configuration files in /etc ? Thanks
09:03<Maulkin>Use AIDE?
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09:04<AgentNoel>Maulkin: I am looking to use this for the purposes of backup of config files without backing up all conf files
09:05<AgentNoel>AIDE probably would work but I think it is overkill for the problem I am trying to solve
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09:07<AgentNoel>lothar: How's it going?
09:07<lothar>AgentNoel: If I select different hd:x values the bootloader seems to always select /pci@f4000000/ata-6@d/disk@0.4
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09:07<pdp_>cxb nm
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09:08<lothar>I mean hd:1-5, not the symbol shown me as mounth :-)
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09:12<AgentNoel>try "ide0:4,/boot/vmlinux"
09:13<AgentNoel>or "ultra1:4,/boot/vmlinux"
09:13<AgentNoel>On the page I sent you it talks about different types of OpenFirmware devices, try each of the internal IDE names (hd, ultra1, ide0, ide1) where we had "hd"
09:14<AgentNoel>By the way, I don't /know/ what to do, I am just guessing based on the information I can find
09:15<eyen>how long would you expect it to take to mv a 700MB file from one SATA2 hard drive to another?
09:16<lothar>It seems to be the best, when I try to reinstall the whole debian and let them detect the Mac OS X. But first I try to see what options I have when booting
09:16<lothar>the Mac OS X Leopard install DVD. So I have the link, and Ill read that further after the options I said.
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09:17<AgentNoel>I have another idea, could you boot up your rescue disk and run a command `ofpath` this will list the possible paths
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09:18<lothar>yes
09:18<AgentNoel>lothar: http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/yaboot/doc/yaboot-howto.shtml/ch6.en.shtml - may be useful too
09:19<AgentNoel>eyen: Based on some crude numbers, I would get at about 18 seconds
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09:19<AgentNoel>(based on 40MB/per sec transfer rates from the harddrives)
09:19<lothar>Couldn't I start the kernel when mounted the partition in rescue as like SuSE (start installed system)
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09:20<AgentNoel>lothar: I don't know. It could be difficult and well above my skills
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09:21<lothar>It requires a /proc file system :-(
09:21<AgentNoel>What does?
09:22<AgentNoel>Do you know what /proc is?
09:22<lothar>/proc gives you system information as of interrupts and so on.
09:22<AgentNoel>Thats the one
09:23<eyen>AgentNoel: it took about 4 minutes for me
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09:24<AgentNoel>eyen: Just using the `mv` command?
09:24<eyen>yes
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09:25<AgentNoel>Was the computer doing anything else at the time?
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09:27<eyen>I stopped boinc while I moved the file
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09:27<eyen>it was only taking about 50% of one core
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09:27<AgentNoel>Okay, if it took 4minutes the transfer rates would be about 3MB/sec
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09:28<AgentNoel>Do you know if DMA is enabled on the drives?
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09:28<eyen>DMA?
09:28<eyen>in fstab I see that I have sync enabled on the drive I'm copying to
09:28<eyen>I can't exactly remember why I went with that
09:28<eyen>or know if it would make much of a difference
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09:30<AgentNoel>Do you have `hdparm` installed?
09:30<lothar>AgentNoel: I was able to mount the /proc and then use ofpath. Also I was able to use yabootconfig after unmounting /dev/hda4, but then it tries to write to /etc/yaboot.cfg and fails. I'll have a look into that file.
09:30<eyen>not as far as I'm aware
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09:31<AgentNoel>lothar: Good luck with it, I will be heading to bed soon (it is 0130 in New Zealand). I suggest you look at the whole howto at http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/yaboot/doc/yaboot-howto.shtml/
09:32<AgentNoel>Can you install it? `apt-get install hdparm`
09:32<lothar>Ohh, have a nice dream :-)
09:32<eyen>done
09:32<lothar>Bye
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09:33<AgentNoel>Can you run `hdparm -Tt <device>` where device is one of your SATA drives (do both please)
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09:35<eyen> Timing cached reads: 7462 MB in 2.00 seconds = 3735.77 MB/sec
09:35<eyen> Timing buffered disk reads: 230 MB in 3.00 seconds = 76.65 MB/sec
09:36<eyen>the other one is 3770.02 and 81.50
09:39<AgentNoel>Both of those are good, that means that the drives can physically transfer data at about 75 MB/sec
09:39<AgentNoel>Could you run them again to ensure the numbers are similar?
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09:40<eyen>almost exactly the same numbers again
09:41<AgentNoel>Great!
09:41<eyen>I must have done something silly
09:41<AgentNoel>Maybe not
09:41<eyen>and the only thing I've done is set up fstab
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09:42<AgentNoel>Could you next install rsync (a program so that we can get the transfer rates)
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09:43<eyen>one note first
09:43<AgentNoel>Sure
09:44<eyen>15.5s to copy the same file from the second disk back to the first
09:44<AgentNoel>Okay, that is promising,
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09:44<AgentNoel>And what about from the first to the second?
09:44<eyen>for cp instead of mv?
09:45<AgentNoel>yeah
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09:46<eyen>one minute and it's still doing it
09:46<AgentNoel>hmmm.... maybe it is that sync flag in /etc/fstab as you have identified from before
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09:47<AgentNoel>to be honest, I am not sure... we know that both drives are capable of transferring data REALLY quickly and that going the opposite direction can do it in 15.5 sec.
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09:48<eyen>I think I enabled sync because it said something like it may changes may not be applied until you umount
09:48<AgentNoel>I would remove the 'sync' flag and try again (will need to remount the partition)
09:48<eyen>which didn't sound good to me
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09:48<AgentNoel>Yeah, but most file systems have journalling which will help deal with crashes
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09:49<Zathraz>hi. I have a package called DNSdoctor running fine on Etch and Lenny (upgrade from Etch. DNSdoctor is not available in Lenny) with Apache 1.x, but when it runs on Apache 2.x I get an error about an Alias which will never be used because it is defined before. config files are the same and I fail to see where that alias is defined before. Any hints? (I really dislike getting mail about this every 24 hrs)
09:51<AgentNoel>My apologies eyen but I must go to sleep now (it is 0150 in New Zealand). Good luck with it...
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09:52<mordy__>where can i find debian live images *Aside* from live.debian.net? i'm getting 30KBps on the latter
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10:00<disposable>why is there no kernel-patch-vserver for Etch?
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10:02<gsimmons>disposable: See bug #390951 in the BTS.
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10:04<sibar>?
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10:09<lysf1994>
10:10<lysf1994>독도는 우리땅
10:10<disposable>gsimmons: thank you.
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10:12<lysf1994>우분투 사용하기 더럽게 어렵네
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10:13<lysf1994>미국산 쇠고기인지 소고기인지 수입반대
10:13<Zathraz>lysf1994, english please
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10:15<mordy__>i think it's japanese
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10:16<lysf1994>한국 사람 있소
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10:31<Zathraz>mordy, it was Korean
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10:31<Zathraz>according to whois that is
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10:38<markino>ciao! i don't have the cdrom drive anymore after a kernel update, but i didn't change the configuration
10:39<markino>ls /dev show no cdrom devices
10:39<markino>this is the first time i got this strange error
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10:40<markino>anyone know what could appened?
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10:43<vizor>hi guys
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10:44<vizor>anybody know when linux-image 2.6.26 will appear on debian's mirrors?
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10:46<lothar>Again, some problems with my Linux on PPC. Someone could help me ?
10:47<qq_>lothar: try to enter on #debianppc
10:48<lothar>The chanel ?
10:48<vizor>yes
10:48<lothar>Ok Bye and thanks.
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10:49<vizor>so, what about kernel? :)
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10:51<cahoot>vizor: if you're really keen you cahttp://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/n get one here:
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10:51<cahoot>spot the error?
10:51<vizor>sure
10:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 372] by debhelper
10:52<vizor>thx
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10:59<lothar>Hi, I am back. #debianppc are too less users and they do not react.
11:00<petemc>you could try asking here
11:00<lothar>Yust a question: Is there a GUI version of Yaboot config tool ?
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11:02<drag0n>would here be a good place to ask about xen debian networking issues?
11:03<qq_>!chan
11:03<petemc>theres a debian xen channel, or plenty of people in here use xen
11:03<drag0n>will look for xen channel
11:03<petemc> /join #debian-xen
11:04<petemc>last time i was in there it was fairly quiet
11:04<drag0n>theres a #xen on this server
11:04<petemc>fantastic then
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11:10<lothar>I have successfully reinstalled Debian on my PPC, after failures to reconfigure the bootloader. But I have still problems with loading Mac OS X (Leopard).
11:10<lothar>Where to go further to check the boot steps for Mac OS X ?
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11:15<miksuh>can anyone change Lenny's reporitories from synaptic ro from gnome desktop menu: Desktop->Administration->Software Sources?
11:15<miksuh>atöeast i can't it seems to fail
11:16<kipman>why not just edit them using the command line?
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11:16<miksuh>maybe bug report is needed
11:16<miksuh>kipman: sure, but that is niot any solution
11:16<miksuh>it should work from gnome desktop too
11:16<miksuh>it's a poor excuse if you say that you can do it from commandline
11:17<magyar_>nothing "should"
11:17<kipman>sorry I use fluxbox so I am used to doing it from the command line, I rearlise any defects are annoying and that the gnome desktop is more user freindly
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11:17<kipman>I thought you wanted a way of fixing it :P
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11:18<miksuh>kipman: no i justa sked if others have the same problem
11:18<miksuh>just
11:18<miksuh>asked
11:19<miksuh>I usually do it from terminal/console too
11:19<miksuh>well maybe I just make that bug treport
11:19<miksuh>-t
11:20<mordy__>where can i get freenx from?
11:21<petemc>if only there was some way to search the internet...
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11:21<mordy__>gah
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11:25<fnask>i have debian in computer
11:25<suiside>fnask: got to admit, that's quite common around here
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11:26<qq_>
11:26<cahoot>...
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11:27<fnask>yes
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11:28<miksuh>hmm looks like someone has already reported that bug
11:29<qq_>... he was faster ?
11:29<miksuh>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=487673
11:30<miksuh>seems to be that
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11:31<lothar>ybin question: It should install the yaboot bootloader to the bootstrap partition, but it doesn't do so. Why ?
11:32<kipman>does anyone know why my friend who has only testing repos enabled from a fresh install of debian would have his version listed when he booted at lenny/sid rather than just lenny?
11:32<gsimmons>!why lenny/sid
11:32<dpkg>Why "lenny/sid" instead of just "lenny" or "sid"? See /usr/share/doc/base-files/FAQ ("Questions about /etc/issue and /etc/debian_version") for the answer.
11:32<gsimmons>lothar: Run as "ybin -v", determine what is failing.
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11:35<lothar>It says: Finding OpenFirmware device path to /dev/hda4
11:35<lothar>All other is hda4 related.
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11:36<lothar>I have seen boot=/dev/hda4 and root=/dev/hda5, but I assume the bootstrap is hda2. Should boot be hda2 too ?
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11:38<lothar>I have seen, that ybin removes my macosx entry ?
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11:40<gsimmons>lothar: I'm sorry, what is your exact issue? That you're unable to amend yaboot's configuration, or that you cannot boot into Mac OS X with it?
11:42<lothar>First, after reinstalling Linux having Leopard installed, it does not install yaboot, but directly boots Linux.
11:42<lothar>I try to add the multiboot capabilities, but don't cope with that. ybin seems to remove my macosx=/devhdX entry.
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11:45<gsimmons>lothar: Please provide the output received from "mac-fdisk -l /dev/hda" and the contents of your /etc/yaboot.conf file at a paste site.
11:45<gsimmons>!paste
11:45<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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11:47<fnask>my etch system freezes sometimes when i play movies with any video player.. the screen gets black.. then the film runs for 4 sec.. then it hangs
11:47<fnask>is it my gfx card or the drivers?
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11:49<lothar>hda2 is Apple_Boot Booter 128M
11:49<lothar>hda7 is Apple_Boot eXternal booter 8,5M
11:50<cahoot>fnask: nothing useful in logs?
11:50<lothar>hda1 is apple partition map.
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11:52<mordy__>does anyone here use freenx? if so, how did they obtain it? i can't find anything except complicated instructions for compiling it from source on amd64
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11:59<lothar>I will swap to my debian box...
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12:00<googlah>fnask :X
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12:01<lotha1>Hi I am back, providing full result of mac-fdisk:
12:01<lotha1>/dev/hda
12:01<lotha1> # type name length base ( size ) system
12:01<lotha1>/dev/hda1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63 @ 1 ( 31.5k) Partition map
12:01<lotha1>/dev/hda2 Apple_Boot Booter 262144 @ 64 (128.0M) Unknown
12:01<lotha1>/dev/hda3 Apple_HFSX Apple_HFSX_Untitled_2 51838352 @ 262208 ( 24.7G) Unknown
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12:03<gsimmons>!tell lotha1 -about paste
12:04<lotha1>Yes, I should have to provide some information. How could I paste and how many lines are allowed, if in general allowed ?
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12:06<noflash>!paster
12:06<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
12:06<lotha1>Ok, I propably have only to paste one or two lines, but is my issue still known ?
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12:08<gsimmons>lotha1: We won't know until you provide the complete output of your mac-fdisk command, along with the contents of your /etc/yaboot.conf file.
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12:09<tonkar>hi all! i have a question. It is not debian topic but i know you are smart ;). Can i capture wifi with a wifi router and with cables connect my computers?
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12:09<fnask>GoinEasy9,
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12:10<fnask>googlah :o
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12:10<fnask>googlah, how do i install my cubensis via usb?
12:10<lotha1>So I try to use. Have pasted using the link. Ok
12:10<lotha1>?
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12:11<noflash>lotha1, we'll need the paste url ;)
12:12<lotha1>Ahh :-) Here: http://paste.debian.net/12196/
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12:13<fnask>video editing and compressing in debian howto?
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12:13<gsimmons>lotha1: And? Where are the yaboot.conf contents?
12:14<lotha1>Now I have added a comment, with the content of yaboot.conf, but a bit unreadable.
12:15<lotha1>Sorry for my slow brain. Using this technique is new for me :-)
12:15<googlah>fnask: you eat them, and try to sync with your usb. :o
12:16<fnask>googlah, how can i eat my usb?
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12:17<lotha1>Now I have a complete one: http://paste.debian.net/12197/
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12:17<knoppix45min>hi, if i see right linux (ubuntu,kde) has a totally different "feeling", especially the fonts look smoother
12:17<knoppix45min>is there any possibility to get this effect on windows?
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12:21<stevecotton>Debian X-Windows, or Microsoft Windows?
12:22<cahoot>knoppix45min: (I never use windows so ...) could it be anti-aliasing you look for?
12:23<knoppix45min>ms windows
12:23<knoppix45min>i dont know
12:23<knoppix45min>but every time i switch to linux i fall in love with that smooth handling
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12:23<knoppix45min>unfortunally i need ms win for my work
12:24<knoppix45min>do i have to turn on antialias on win manually?
12:24<lotha1>noflash, gsimmons: Got the paste ?
12:24<kipman>konoppix45min: google clear type
12:25<knoppix45min>well, think i already turned on clear type on my system
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12:26<knoppix45min>maybe it is the default-font of ubuntu, do u know what is its name?
12:26<Hideo>!ubuntu
12:26<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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12:29<mordy__>knoppix, probably something like "Font smoothing" is what you're looking for, cleartype etc.
12:29<mordy__>but i'll not go further. this is evil
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12:33<knoppix45min>ok thank you nevertheless
12:34<lotha1>Hmm, please report, if you all find a solution. I'll keep online, but go buy a pizza :-)
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12:37<alahruiz>hola
12:37<alahruiz>que pasa feooooooooooooooooooo
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12:39<volt>Hi, I need a picture viewer like windows to see a lot of pictures with the keyboard's arrows, do you know a program ?
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12:40<Hideo>volt: feh
12:40<volt>Konqueror can'tgo on the next picture with the arrows
12:40<volt>oh thx Hideo i'll try
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12:42<bgat>anyone know how to use a bluetooth headset (Jabra) as an audio device?
12:42<Hideo>volt: there are many modes in feh, read the man page, and then add whatever configs you want to /etc/fehrc
12:42<cahoot>bgat: it doesn't show up in /proc/asound/cards?
12:43<bgat>nope
12:43<miksuh>bgat: I have no experience about it, but bluetooth audio stuff is in lenny
12:43<miksuh>I think it's not in etch
12:43<bgat>miksuh: I'm running sid, so I hope that's close enough. :)
12:43<miksuh>should be :)
12:43*mordy__ sighs. doesn't anyone use freenx on amd64?
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12:46<cahoot>bgat: installed bluetooth-alsa already?
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12:47<bgat>I'm also trying to get a Motorola S9 to work. That device shows up under hcitool scan, and when I do hcitool cc I get the PIN popup (presumably via kbluetooth). But it doesn't show up under /proc/asound/cards.
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12:51<paco>hi there
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12:52<volt>hi paco
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12:52<paco>I got a problem here with the sid repos... It seems that the package nvidia-glx, needs to install itself, the package nvidia-kernel-source-179.02..., which I have installed, but the real name is nvidia-kernel-source and thus, nvidia-glx does not want to install in my system... Any suggestions?
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12:55<paco>so, i'm here lying in the command line, because my xserver does not want to start...
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12:55<paco>can anyone confirm if that's a dependency problem on the repos, or is just me that i'm doing something wrong?
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12:59<paco>noone?
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13:24<ranix>paco: nvidia-glx is doing acrobatics
13:25<ranix>paco: last I dealt with it, it was in Sid but not in Stable or Testing
13:25<ranix>paco: It is unlikely that nvidia-glx has become nvidia-kernel-source
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13:26<ranix>paco: it is more likely you will need to use proprietary nvidia drivers or build from source
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13:26<ranix>paco: in my experience the proprietary drivers are unacceptably bad
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13:29<paco>hi ranix
13:30<paco>nvidia-glx is the same
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13:30<paco>but it has a dependency on nvidia-kernel-source-179.02....
13:31<paco>and that package doesn't seem to exist. Instead there's a nvidia-kernel-source, which I installed to compile the nvidia module from source
13:31<paco>that's done
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13:31<paco>but nvidia-glx refuses to install because "nvidia-kernel-source-179.02..." seems not available
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13:31<paco>and my xorg, keeps saying that it can't load the nvidia module, although it's compiled and installed properly
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13:32<paco>so, something fails there.
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13:32<paco>any help appreciated
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13:33<fragolino123>ciao
13:33<fragolino123>!list
13:33<dpkg>one warez list being sent to fragolino123
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14:09<Bladesman>So, it seems that cpp and such is being held back from upgrades, and something in perl is broken. Any clues on what to do?
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14:23<simeon>Hey mates how can I make a external HDD be mounted on the same mount point every time
14:23<simeon>I've tried adding a line in /etc/fstab but it refuses to open the partiton
14:24<simeon>all other partitions of the disk are ok but the one with an entry to fstab cannot be opened
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14:25<Bladesman>I don't know the answer, but it's prolly an issue with how the module is loaded and assigned an address.
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14:25<suiside>simeon: record it in /etc/fstab using the devices UUID
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14:27<Bladesman>Linux is starting to get like Windows...never seems to to do the same things the same way twice.
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14:29<padski>simeon, paster the fstab line, and what does it say when it refuses /
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14:31<arvernus>Hello! I get the message "cupsdCloseClient: Error in the push function." in the error log of CUPS. I think this might be related to my problem that the shared printers are not shown in the network. Can anyone give a hint, please?
14:31<seisen>ok why is mutt complaining about not being able to find /var/mail: No such file or directory
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14:32<Gathond>seisen: is there such a directory?
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14:33<seisen>yep
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14:38<fxiny>seisen: /var/mail/seisen ? what permission ?
14:39<fxiny>should be 660
14:41<seisen>ok how do I find that out?
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14:43<fxiny>ls -l /var/mail/ >> -rw-rw----
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14:44<nomad_cz>Hi. is package marked as hold meant to be upgraded ?
14:44<themill>no, that's the meaning of "hold"
14:45<ranix>I believe packages are held if upgrading them would break a higher-priority package
14:45<ranix>if it is a dependency
14:45<nomad_cz>themill: then it doesn't work. I tried aptitud hold name, echo name hold | dpkg -set-selectios - yet it wants to upgrade :/
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14:46<themill>nomad_cz: can you pastebin what's going on for us? apt-cache policy packagename, dpkg --get-selections | grep ^packagename, and the full output (with the command you used) of your aptitude upgrade session.
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14:46<nomad_cz>themill: sure
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14:48<argonel>is there an rss feed of package updates?
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14:50<edomarty>list
14:51<nomad_cz>themill: http://pastebin.com/m1b3a91b3
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14:52<magyar_>hi, how do i test for the best mirror? there is a command that does this
14:53<seisen>ok I get nothing with that command, fxiny
14:54<themill>nomad_cz: odd... I don't understand that.
14:54<nomad_cz>themill: neither do I
14:54<themill>nomad_cz: you said you also used aptitude hold?
14:54<nomad_cz>themill: yep
14:54<nomad_cz>themill: And I think it did not work at all
14:55<nomad_cz>themill: so I tried --set-selections
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14:55<themill>nomad_cz: does "aptitude why fglrx-driver" offer any suggestions? (I haven't used this reasonably new feature much yet...)
14:55<sasha>hi i do always have that warning with apt-get update W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
14:56<sasha>W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/Release.gpg rename failed, No such file or directory ( -> /var/l
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14:56<nomad_cz>themill: it says: ih fglrx-amdcccle Depends fglrx-driver
14:57<themill>and you currently have that installed? what's apt-cache policy fglrx-amdcccle show?
14:58<nomad_cz>themill: I so have installed 4 fglrx* packages all of them are on hold. apt-cache policy output is this same as for fglrx-driver
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15:00<nomad_cz>themill: all those packages has been created via ati installer and installed via dpkg -i
15:01<themill>nomad_cz: sorry... mysterious to me. gotta go now though. good luck
15:01<nomad_cz>themill: Ok. Thanks anyway ;)
15:01<sasha>nomad_cz : i m myself dealing each month with the new ati driver upgrades what is the exact problem ?
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15:02<nomad_cz>sasha: I can not keep them on hold :/
15:02<nomad_cz>sasha: fglrx-driver keeps saying it is going to be upgraded from nonf-ree
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15:10<sasha>nomad_cz : did you put on hld the deb module comliled by m-a assistant it may help
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15:11<nomad_cz>sasha: I did not used m-a
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15:12<sasha>nomad_cz : you compiled the module yourself ?
15:12<nomad_cz>sasha: yep
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15:13<sasha>nomad_cz : to be honest i have the same problem , but for now each time at-get upgrade fglrx , i have a new one ready on ATI site ; sorry
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15:14<nomad_cz>sasha: I see. I have solved it via pinning
15:14<nomad_cz>sasha: but something is wrong anyway
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15:16<sasha>nomad_cz : if i remember well the upgrade problem is due to the 2 versionning number provided by ati : 8-7 and 8.5.xx ; but it does not explain why hold does not work
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15:17<nomad_cz>sasha: exactly ;) and aptitude unhold doesn't work either :/
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15:22<nomad_cz>themill: hi again ;)
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15:22<themill>hey there
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15:23<nomad_cz>themill: it is solved via pinning
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15:23<nomad_cz>themill: hold/unhold doesn't work
15:23<themill>:(
15:23<dsr>does anyone have a dom0 kernel for amd64/unstable ?
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15:24<nomad_cz>themill: yep, strange
15:24<themill>nomad_cz: I though that was supposed to be working quite nicely in lenny
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15:24<nomad_cz>themill: I was hoping so
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15:25<nomad_cz>themill: but I do not usually hold packages - so it is my first try
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15:29<simeon>I am sorry I got a call can we continue our conversation?
15:30<EmleyMoor>Should jscalibrator put anything in .joystick about the buttons?
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15:35<simeon>it says the following: ntfs-3g-mount: user has no write access to mountpoint /mnt/sdb10
15:36<mordy>anyone use freenx here on amd64? how did you install it?
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15:41<snogglethorpe>mordy: there seem to be some other packages in debian which use the same protocol
15:41<mordy>snogglethorpe - but i need oen that uses persisting sessions
15:42<mordy>i don't know why it should be so hard to find it in debian or in linux in general - it's been around in windows since 2k
15:42<snogglethorpe>what is a "persisting session"?
15:42<mordy>i gave xrdp a try - (even though my intended server is etch, not lenny, but i would have considered lenny) bt it didn't work
15:43<mordy>snogglethorpe - a persisting session means that if the client computer is disconnected, the session is still stored on the terminal
15:43<snogglethorpe>mordy: just by grepping around, "qtnx", "nxproxy", etc turned up
15:43<mordy>yeah, but they're all part of the same *nx mumbo-jumbo - maybe i should just use nxserver
15:43<snogglethorpe>also maybe "libnxcl-bin"
15:43<snogglethorpe>mordy: maybe so, I dunno
15:44<mordy>do you use any of that stuff?
15:44<snogglethorpe>mordy: nope
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15:44<snogglethorpe>mordy: I never run X remotely
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15:45<mordy>snogglethorpe - i'm thinking maybe there's some way to impelemnt a 'static' X session
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15:45<themill>sounds like vncserver
15:45<mordy>pretty much like VNC - but perhaps a bit more integrated
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15:47<mordy>but VNC server doesn't essentially support persisting session disconnect
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15:47<DaCapn>What are people's experiences with the "easy backports" method for something like upgrading the ruby gtk bindings? Is the "easy backports" option only really viable if something has almost no dependencies?
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15:47<petemc>gnomes built in vnc exports the running session, and you can disconnect/connect at will
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15:48<petemc>the various rfb apps do the same
15:48<petemc>none are as good as nx tho
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15:49<themill>(similarly, kde with krbc)
15:49<themill>err krfb
15:49<mordy>yeah, i tried that
15:49<mordy>it's pretty much an enhanced version of VNC
15:49<themill>So what doesn't it do?
15:50<mordy>themill - resolution
15:50<themill>meaning?
15:50<mordy>not to mention it's rather buggy and crashes every five minutes
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15:51<themill>can't say I've ever had problems with kde's vnc crashing
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15:51<mordy>themill - the screen resolution - if i'm a client with a tiny screen and the server has a large screen, i'll need to adjust the server's resolution manually, and hope that its graphics card supports my resolution
15:52<themill>ahh
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15:53<mordy>i guess VNC is ok, but i'm used to MS's RDP, which, while evil, is basically all you could ever ask for in terms of remote sessions
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15:55<themill>no, it's just plain evil.
15:55<themill>mordy: some vnc clients can scale the remote image so that it fits on the screen
15:55<mordy>so can kde's - but it'sjust not the same
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15:56<b52deb>hi
15:56<mordy>i don't know what the VNC protocol is, but methinks it's just standard jpeg +jbig encryption
15:56<mordy>encoding
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15:57<mordy>maybe the 'good' ones can also have support for vector data too
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15:59<mordy>i guess i'll just use nxserver - from what i've heard, it isn't any much more 'evil' than freenx
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16:07<b52deb>i got a trouble with ssh
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16:07<b52deb> /etc/init.d/ssh start
16:07<b52deb>Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd : OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 on i686-pc-linux-gnu
16:07<b52deb>: FATAL: Creating listener failed: port 22 probably already in use!
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16:08<jaakko>b52deb: are you a root user or using su/sudo?
16:08<b52deb>jaakko, root
16:09<b52deb>netstat -taupe | grep 22 didn't give anything related to port 22
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16:11<jaakko>b52deb: try netstat -an
16:11<jaakko>b52deb: I tried that taupe and it converts ports to names?
16:12<b52deb>yeap
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16:12<b52deb>hm 1 min to try with an
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16:13<b52deb>jaakko, tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
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16:13<b52deb>hm
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16:14<jaakko>b52deb: try to ssh your box?
16:14<b52deb>jaakko, i'm trying to use sshfs , not taught that reloading ssh will fix my pb , but my ssh have some problem from what it seems
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16:21<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>Hi...Thanks by the attemption...
16:21<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>I´m using Jigdo to download the LennyBeta2...
16:22<volt>dpkg say me how install java
16:22<dpkg>me how install java
16:22<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>But every final checksum verify returns a error...
16:22<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>I´m using this Jigdo Mirror:http://us.cdimage.debian.org/snapshot/Debian/
16:22<Lestat_di_Lioncourt>So...how can i solve this?
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16:25<themill>dpkg: tell volt about install java
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16:28<mordy>hehe, i gave into the dark side
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16:57<magyar_>eheeh
16:57<magyar_>that was nice
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16:58<magyar_>dpkg say I am a clever bot
16:58<dpkg>I am a clever bot
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17:00<mordy>hehe, i think i told dpkg that i was an idiot
17:00<mordy>!mordy
17:00<dpkg>it has been said that mordy is an idiot
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17:00<mordy>yup
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17:02<magyar_>!magyar_
17:03<magyar_>I guess I am on the "ignore" list
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17:03*magyar_ don't know which one is better?
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17:08<mordy>well, i took the evil path, it's pretty much what i want. also has some other cool features not found in MS's RDP, such as automatic resolution-resizing
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17:12<mordy>hmm... but now that i look at it, it is somewhat VNC-like
17:12<lasermike026>hello, i'm having trouble with an intel pro/1000vt quad nic. The e1000 module doesn't seem to recognize the quad nic.
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17:13<lasermike026>has anyone had luck with this type card?
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17:15<mordy>what's a quad nic anyway?
17:15<magyar_>mordy, which app?
17:15<lasermike026>a 4 port network card.
17:15<mordy>magyar_ nxserver - it's evil, but it's working fine now
17:15<mordy>oh, what good would that do? or is this one hell of a server
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17:17<mordy>magyar_ - hungarian - no?
17:17<mordy>hehe, with a name like magyar, of course, i guess
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17:18<Golf>hi there, I have installed Debian etch and it's working very well but every time I connect to IRC my ident gets forced to my Linux username, I can't see an identd package installed anywhere though so is there any way to stop it doing that?
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17:18<lasermike026>i'm having trouble with an intel pro/1000vt quad nic. The e1000 module doesn't seem to recognize the quad nic
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17:19<mordy>golf, i don't know. it seems to simply concatenate the username from the shell from which it was launched. i don't know if there's a way to change it externally
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17:19<magyar_>mordy, yep, am a hun. NX is a terminal server for diff platforms?
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17:20<mordy>magyar_ - well, it *can* be used for cross-platform desktop sharing, but it seems to be the best thing around for linux-linux desktop sharing too
17:20<Golf>maybe I have to block port 113 then so it will time out
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17:22<mordy>Golf - doubt it will work, but you can try - i also find it weird - which client are you using? i think it's only xchat that does it
17:22<petemc>Golf: ps aux|grep ident
17:22<Golf>yes I'm using X-Chat
17:23<Golf>identd 8492 0.0 0.2 52396 1164 ? Ssl 22:21 0:00 identd
17:23<Golf>lindsay 8551 0.0 0.1 2848 700 pts/0 R+ 22:23 0:00 grep ident
17:23<petemc>so i would look into how you configure identd
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17:24<mordy>i don't have identd running, but i have the same issue
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17:24<Golf>and I don't have the identd package installed
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17:31<caffn>Good evening!
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17:32<Txt_file1>hey caffn+
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17:33<caffn>Hey Txt-file :)
17:33<mordy>good evening to you(although it's more like midnight here)
17:33<mordy>hello text_file1
17:33<caffn>23:33 at the moment, so close to night ;D
17:33<Txt-file>hy mordy
17:33<Txt-file>yeah
17:34<mordy>00:35 :p
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17:36<caffn>I just found out i'm having ITIL-exam tomorrow.. oops ;D
17:37<mordy>hehe, i have a million exams now. i think i'll just drop out :(
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17:38<caffn>Well. When my itil is done I need some company-exams, after that CCNA and 3com exams, and if I pass em all I get a new function (junior networkoperator :) )
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17:39<mordy>what's an ITIL?
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17:40<mordy>hehe, i remember when i was studying for MSCD(?) and MCSE
17:40<caffn>ITIL is boring business crap. Uhh.. Information Technology Infrastructure Library.. About service managers, SLA's, all that kinda.. stuff
17:40<mordy>silly thing of me not to take those exams. i've forgotten everything
17:40<caffn>Hahaha
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17:40<mordy>yes yes, MS is evil
17:41*caffn ain't doing the MS trainings. Don't want em, don't need em.
17:41<mordy>but i could have had a good job then, and not be struggling with college and not knowing where i'll be living in two months
17:41<mordy>nah, i didn't do training - i just read the books. i hate classes
17:42<caffn>Hehe
17:42<mordy>yeah, this time round i realized that linux would give me much better opportunities, and i thought i may as well learn something new, instead of re-learning MS
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17:42<Bladesman>You'd still be wondering where you'll live in 2 months. MS wants experienced techs.
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17:43<mordy>i just want something that pays minimum wage. i don't care if i'm not getting a top-notch job in two months. i just don't want to be flipping burgers to support myself
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17:44<Bladesman>Then you'd better move out of the US. We're a service economy now.
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17:44<mordy>i'm not in the US
17:44<mordy>hehe, if it's 00:24 here, i'm certainly not there :p
17:44<Bladesman>Kewl. Lucky bastage.
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17:45*caffn aint in the US either
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17:45<mordy>bladesman, i was born in the US though, and my bank accounts are in USD - that isn't so kewl, especially considering the winding exchange rate
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17:47<mordy>i'll need to move somewhere else anyway - in israel right now -
17:47<Bladesman>Isreal rocks.
17:47<mordy>Isfake, not that much. lol
17:48<caffn>Lol
17:48<amphi>Bladesman: not enough to be able to spell it, eh?
17:48<mordy>ישראל, actually
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17:48<amphi>mordy: nice
17:48<Bladesman>zoops.
17:48<mordy>amphi, you read that?
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17:49<amphi>mordy: haven't seen hebrew in my term before
17:49<Bladesman>Israel. Forgot El.
17:49<amphi>mordy: no
17:49<mordy>yeah, El is cognate to the arabic "Allah"
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17:49<mordy>power to UTF-8!
17:49<mordy>(i think that's the set)
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17:50<amphi>'allah' is a contraction/illision of 'al-illah', I believe, so it would presumably be cognate to 'illah'
17:50<ooter>thought elohim was something like father or lord
17:50<mordy>amphi: nice - didn't know that
17:50<Bladesman>El is God.
17:51<ooter>yeah, something like that
17:51<ooter>oh no, i'm thinking of abba
17:51<mordy>elohim is technically the grammatical plural of "El" - but nobody knows exactly what it means. part of the old canaanite pantheon though
17:51<caffn>El caffn !
17:51<Bladesman>ABBA is a Swedish pop group.
17:51<mordy>and the arabic cognate, abu :p
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17:51<ooter>i read something once that said its closer to papain hebrew
17:52<ooter>er
17:52<ooter>papa
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17:52<mordy>اسمي موردخاي
17:52<drzel>hi there
17:52<Bladesman>Heard mama is the same in all languages...go figure.
17:52<drzel>anybody managed to print in kde4
17:53<amphi>Bladesman: it isn't ;)
17:53*caffn ain't running kde4 anymore
17:53<caffn>Was on my machine for like... 5 minutes :P
17:53<amphi>Bladesman: in tibetan and nepali, it's 'ama', for example
17:53<mordy>well, that's a misconception - something called "inner form" - the root for the indo-european "mama" is "mater", while the semitic is "em" or "im"
17:53<caffn>In dutch it's mama :D
17:53*Bladesman hasn't gotten his printer werkin yet. Think they sold me a broken one, or one without memory.
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17:54<drzel>caffn and * why?? kde 4.1 rocks!
17:54<mordy>will configure CUPS as his next project (now i'll tell my friends that i'm playing around with "cups",)
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17:54<caffn>Nah.. Missed some things in it.. Like the shortcuts next to the kde-menu.. didnt manage to get them there
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17:54<Ramendik>hello
17:54<ooter>hi
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17:55<Bladesman>What's a good package to convert pdf to text/html?
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17:55<drzel>mordy cups is configured and I can print a testpage, but I cant print from eg openoffice or okular
17:55<mordy>hmm...
17:55<Ramendik>sorry for asking here but debian-boot seems empty... Question: to "save debug logs" after a failed install (it was stuck in the middle) do I just boot from the d-i CD again?
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17:56<Bladesman>if /boot is left empty from the install disk, keep running install packages until it's put back.
17:56<mordy>maybe try the CD again - i don't think it will override anything you've done already. the initramd is one of the last things configured during the install process. don't know why though
17:57<Bladesman>tasksel sometimes removes the kernel for some stoopid reason.
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17:59<mordy>ramendik - next time you run the CD, just select "finish installation" - that would do
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17:59<Bladesman>Yeah, but then a lot of things, like less and mutt get left out.
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17:59<mordy>yeah, but at least he can do those stuff from *within* debian, instead of within installation
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18:00<amphi>tasksel is to be avoided like the plague IMHO
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18:01<mordy_>gah.. stoopid bezeq
18:01<Bladesman>The problem is in the standard package. Trying to install it after the install still tried to remove the kernel.
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18:01<mordy_>well, gotta give bezeq some credit though - it's pretty good; but the bandwidth here is so assymetrical
18:02<mordy_>i get a 2.5M downstream - but only a tenth of that upstream. sucks
18:03*caffn is having a technician over in a few days... Getting only 10 KB/s on a 20mbit connection is kinda.. low... ;p
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18:03<mordy_>10KBs?
18:04<caffn>Yeah
18:04<mordy_>where are you?
18:04<mordy_>20mb is cool
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18:04<Bladesman>Anyway, I just ran the "Install Packages" option, checking each time to see if /boot gets filled from a separate terminal until things clicked.
18:04<caffn>20 mbit is ok, but I think something is broken, cuz i used to have a fast connection, only lately it's drama ;(
18:05<mordy_>caffn - cable? dsl?
18:05<caffn>1 KB up or something
18:05<caffn>ADSL, yeah.
18:05<mordy_>i don't know if adsl even supports such speeds
18:05<caffn>Hm, yes it does. ADSL2+ supports max 24 mbit
18:05<petemc>adsl2+ does up to 24 meg
18:05<Bladesman>Rather, it
18:05<Bladesman>s /target/boot you should look in.
18:06<mordy_>hmm... let me wiki this
18:06<caffn>Anyway, used to be able to download with 1+ MB, now only 10 KB :(
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18:06<petemc>i have 20 meg cable from a provider that has their own usenet server, i get close to full speed from it
18:06*caffn 's modem connects on... 13 MBit or something, has to do with crappy cable to the house
18:06<caffn>Nice
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18:07<mordy_>hehe - this is cool "Commercially it is notable for its maximum theoretical download speed of 24 Mbit/s" - from wiki
18:07<mordy_>"Commercially notable" ROTFL
18:07<caffn>At the moment fiber is getting populair in here.. 100 mbit up and down ;D
18:07<MotoHoss>or somebody put a set of bridge taps on your pair....
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18:08*Bladesman is waiting for G5 and for current high speed connects to go down to $10 / month.
18:08<caffn>Nice
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18:08<ooter>I always loved too how they use bits instead of bytes to make it sound faster
18:08<caffn>I pay only 20 euro's / month for my 20/1 connection
18:08<caffn>Ghehe
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18:09<caffn>Yeah.. "2 megabyte download and 100 kilobyte upload" sound like crap ;P
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18:09<enouf>30 smackers
18:09<enouf>i get 15/2 for that
18:09<mordy_>ooter, soon dialup companies will start using "56000bps"
18:09<caffn>;D
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18:10<enouf>your DNS servers suck, or you're on cable hub and the neighborhood kiddies are torrenting their facebooks with myspace
18:10*Bladesman pays $30/month (plus tax) for 768Kup/256Kdn, and only gets about 110Kup.
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18:11<Bladesman>Oops.
18:11<caffn>Lol
18:11<mordy_>although in truth a high downstream rate is pretty irrelevant when you have a low upstream rate, unless you're only downloading large files etc
18:11<Bladesman>768dn, rather.
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18:11<enouf>or the d/l Servers you're taking from suck
18:12*Bladesman is on a wireless connect out in the boonies.
18:12<caffn>If ur talking about me, my DNS is ok, my d/l servers are ok, just my connection sucks.
18:12<enouf>(which is the most often reason for slow crap)
18:12<enouf>why?
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18:13<caffn>Cause connection to IP right away avoids any DNS server, same slow crap
18:13<enouf>" has to do with crappy cable to the house" ?
18:13<MotoHoss>copper pairs are prolly old.
18:13<caffn>Yeah
18:13<enouf>fix that - and tell the scriiptkiddies to get off your hub
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18:13<caffn>Lol
18:13<caffn>I aint fixing that, thats for the housemaster
18:13<enouf>i run my own cable and my own house
18:13*caffn imagines himself pulling old copper away 2 stories down, into the lawn.. ;D
18:14<caffn>I think my provider will kill me.
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18:14<enouf>your provider need to have you open a can of whoopass on them
18:14<caffn>;D
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18:15<Bladesman>Provider's prolly a girlyman. Just be macho at him.
18:16<caffn>rofl
18:16<caffn>"Fix it, or else!"
18:17<Bladesman>Gimme yer effin job and go file for unemployment...*I'll* fix it.
18:20<caffn>*Grin*
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18:20<caffn>Ah well, should be going to sleep :)
18:20<Bladesman>Sleep well...
18:20<caffn>Bye bye, and seeya tomorrow.. or something ;D
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18:24<drzel>OK I see, only okular cant print. [partially solved]
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18:33<KillerX>Is there anyway to re-instal debian (lenny) and keep all the packages installed, home, and settings?
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18:33<abrotman>is /home/ on a separate partition ?
18:33<KillerX>yup
18:33<abrotman>so you can save that
18:33<abrotman>and you can backup your package list ..
18:33<avu>KillerX, dpkg --{s,g}et-selections
18:33<abrotman>not sure what you mean by 'settings' .. i assume you mean the stuff in /etc/
18:34<avu>KillerX, and debconf-{s,g}set-selections
18:34<abrotman>but there is also the debconf settings
18:34<KillerX>i mean, like the theme im using, things like that
18:35<avu>KillerX, stuff you configured for your user are in the user's $HOME anyway
18:35<abrotman>that should be in your $HOME
18:35<KillerX>avu, ill try that :)
18:35<KillerX>and the one u told me b4
18:35<KillerX>thks
18:35<abrotman>whoa
18:35<avu>KillerX, and for debconf selections you made, see the tool from debconf-utils I just told you about
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18:35<avu>!u
18:35<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
18:36<abrotman>avu: hey .. World's 21 Sexiest Beaches are on Travel Channel soon!
18:36<avu>not that I own a television. or am in the right country to receive this surely wonderful program. but thanks!
18:37<abrotman>hehe
18:37<abrotman>it's okay .. i'll watch baseball instead :)
18:37<petemc>no tv?!
18:37<abrotman>maybe he doesn't have rugrats to entertain :)
18:37<avu>no tv.
18:37<abrotman>avu: wait .. no tv or no tv/cable service ?
18:37<avu>neither
18:37<KillerX>abrotman, nowadays comps can transmit TB :)
18:37<KillerX>*TV
18:38<abrotman>yeah .. i know
18:38<KillerX>so avu can use that :)
18:38<avu>only monitory thing I own is the laptop I'm using right now
18:38<avu>and I don't watch tv through any means
18:38<avu>it's a worse time killer than IRC
18:38<abrotman>not even downloading shows?
18:38<avu>well
18:38<avu>:)
18:39<avu>I do follow a few shows via the internet, yes :)
18:39<abrotman>ok
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18:39<petemc>i borrowed the projector from work, do most of my viewing with it
18:39<avu>but I don't call that "watching TV" since it lacks both of TV's worst "features"
18:40<KillerX>can i re-install through the debian lenny net install ?
18:40<KillerX>or must be a diff dvd ?
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18:40<KillerX> / cd
18:40<avu>I do it when *I* want, not when the TV wants, and it has no commercials
18:40<sweet_a>hello
18:40<avu>KillerX, you can install through any means you like
18:40<avu>KillerX, a re-install is nothing special
18:40<KillerX>but i make the normal install?
18:40<avu>KillerX, nothing any kind of installer knows about even
18:40<abrotman>and usually not needed at all
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18:41<avu>that too
18:41<sweet_a>how could i find out the bus and address of my usb mouse?
18:41<KillerX>lol, if u want u can help me solving my prob :|
18:41<avu>lsusb?
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18:41<KillerX>apt, aptitude etc not working
18:41<abrotman>KillerX: define not working
18:41<abrotman>in english
18:41<KillerX>cant be run
18:41<KillerX>on any terms
18:42<abrotman>errors are helpful
18:42<avu>!doesn't work
18:42<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
18:42<KillerX>gives always the same error
18:42<abrotman>"No Milk Today" ?
18:42<abrotman>MOO!!!
18:42<petemc>"no soup for you"
18:42<KillerX>i get this error: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
18:42<avu>haha
18:42<sweet_a>when i run lsusb i see and device numbers, but no device names
18:42<KillerX>then ofc i run it -.-
18:42<avu>gotta love the soup nazi
18:42<avu>KillerX, well, have you run dpkg --configgure -a? :)
18:43<KillerX>and i get an error that ill past on a past bin
18:43<abrotman>yay! real errors!
18:43<KillerX>al!past
18:43<abrotman>!paste
18:43<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
18:43<abrotman>sweet_a: update-usbids
18:43<sweet_a>sweet, thank you for your help abrotman
18:44<KillerX>here it is: http://paste.debian.net/12297/
18:44<KillerX>its v strange... it reqs the perl version i have but mine is without the +lenny
18:44<sweet_a>trying to configure this razer mouse outside of windows is a pain in my arse
18:44<KillerX>and i have already compiled perl many times (bc i cant download from apt or install .debs :| nothing is working
18:45<abrotman>KillerX: aptitude update ?
18:45<abrotman>aptitude dist-upgrade ?
18:45<KillerX>nothing works
18:45<abrotman>aptitude -f install
18:45<KillerX>all give the dpkg error
18:46<KillerX>same with -f :|
18:46<abrotman>KillerX: aptitude update .. run that first
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18:46<abrotman>KillerX: and also pastebin your sources.list
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18:47<KillerX>the update shows the error and updates in read only mode (so it doesnt updates Lolz)
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18:47<KillerX>ok
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18:48<KillerX>sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/12298/
18:48<abrotman>KillerX: aptitude update .. then aptitude -f install .. any difference ?
18:48<KillerX>nop
18:48<KillerX>same
18:48<themill>KillerX: have you run aptitude update recently?
18:49<KillerX>already tryied that many times
18:49<KillerX>yup
18:49<abrotman>you could download the packages manually and try to install them
18:49<sweet_a>anyone ever use qemu with the -usbdevice host:bus.address perameter?
18:49<KillerX>like everyday but it doesnt updates, say its only on read only mode
18:49<humberto>How install y wireless network, i have a Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05)
18:49<abrotman>!tell humberto about ipw2200
18:49<KillerX>abrotman, it doesnt work... cant install the .debs
18:49<humberto>how install?
18:49<KillerX>the prog gives the same error
18:49<KillerX>says that the dpkg is being used
18:49<themill>KillerX: what do you mean "read only mode"?
18:49<KillerX>and it isnt :|
18:50<KillerX>its not what i mean, its what is typed in the output :|
18:50<humberto>thanks
18:50<KillerX>here: W: Could not lock the cache file; this usually means that dpkg or another apt tool is already installing packages. Opening in read-only mode; any changes you make to the states of packages will NOT be preserved!
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18:51<KillerX>thats the read-only mode that im talking :|
18:51<KillerX>any more suggestions :|
18:51<KillerX>abrotman, is the sources.list ok ?
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18:52<abrotman>yep
18:52<themill>KillerX: I take it you don't have any apt/aptitude/synaptic/dpkg running?
18:54<KillerX>yup
18:54<KillerX>i dont
18:54*Bladesman swears to God he's gonna ditch Debian and port to LFS if he doesn't find something that will convert a stoopid pdf file to something that can be read by the blind.
18:54<KillerX>want to see my PS :P ?»
18:54<abrotman>Bladesman: pdf2txt ?
18:54<abrotman>eh .. maybe it's pdf2ps and then ps2txt
18:54<themill>Bladesman: pdftotext?
18:55<dondelelcaro>Bladesman: pdftotext will do it
18:55<dondelelcaro>Bladesman: however, not all PDF files have actual text in them, so...
18:55<themill>Bladesman: It depends on the PDF though.... if the text has been converted to images then it's not going to work
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18:56<KillerX>if it helps this all happened bc i forgot to clean the apt cache
18:56<KillerX>it prob stopped on a upgrade
18:56<Bladesman>Just trying to convert my printer user manual to something I can use so I can write letters to the sighted in friggin authority.
18:56<sweet_a>im supposed to pass a perameter to qemu "-usbdevice host:bus.address", what is the bus.address when i get "Bus 002 Device 010: ID 1532:000c" from lsusb?
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18:58<KillerX>does anyone here uses Virtual Box from Sun ?
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18:58<KillerX>my cousin uses it and says it is superb :P idk if it really is :\
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19:00<bzed>KillerX: works well. ap-tget install it and giv eit a try, it;s in lenny/testing/unstable
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19:01<KillerX>i cant use apt :|
19:01<KillerX>thats why i want to re-install xD
19:01<KillerX>something odd happened :|
19:01<KillerX>and im newbie to solve this :\
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19:03<themill>KillerX: what's the output of: lsof /var/lib/dpkg/{lock,status}
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19:05<KillerX>let me try that themill
19:06<KillerX>nothing :|
19:06<KillerX>gives nothing :|
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19:07<KillerX>is it normal themill ?
19:07<themill>KillerX: that's what it should say if nothing is using the cache, yes
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19:08<KillerX>:|
19:08<KillerX>then prob no solution for my prob :D
19:08<KillerX>just a re-install :(
19:09<themill>KillerX: what's the output of ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/{lock,status}
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19:10<carol_iniciante>alguem sabe de ndiswrapper ?
19:11<KillerX>lock: -rw-r----- 1 root root 0 2008-07-13 00:01 /var/lib/dpkg/lock
19:11<carol_iniciante>alguem fala portugues ?
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19:11<KillerX>status: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1893844 2008-07-01 19:27 /var/lib/dpkg/status
19:11<KillerX>carol_iniciante, eu falo portugues :)
19:11<KillerX>es d onde?
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19:11<KillerX>portugal ou brazil ?
19:11<abrotman>!pt
19:11<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
19:11<carol_iniciante>brazil
19:12<KillerX>sry abrotman
19:12<abrotman>thanks
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19:13<themill>KillerX: you could try restoring /var/lib/dpkg/status our of /var/backups. But we're clutching at straws... (keep a copy of the current one though)
19:13<KillerX>ok
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19:14<carol_iniciante>onde baixo o ndiswrapper para o meu debian ?:
19:15<KillerX>the-dude, which backup should i use?
19:15<carol_iniciante>!PT
19:15<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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19:17<KillerX>themill, do i rename the dpkg.status.0 to status only right ?
19:17<carol_iniciante>qual comando uso para instalar o ndiswrapper.tar ?
19:18<themill>KillerX: the most recent one or the most recent-know-good one if you know when it stopped working. Copy the file and rename it.
19:18<KillerX>ok
19:19<KillerX>done
19:19<KillerX>still not working :|
19:19<KillerX>should i try an older one
19:19<themill>may as well at this stage, but I'm not convinced that this is related....
19:20<themill>KillerX: you did run that lsof command as root, didn't you?
19:20<Bladesman>Thanks fellas.
19:20<KillerX>yup
19:22<KillerX>i dont want to format :(
19:22<KillerX>themill, can u plz compress ur dpkg folder in a tar or something so i could copy to mine?
19:23<themill>that won't help you
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19:23<KillerX>i read on foruns that it solve ppl that had this problem
19:23<KillerX>if possible let me try that plzz
19:23<themill>seeing as how I'm not running lenny, it definitely won't help you
19:24<KillerX>ok :(
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19:26<abrotman>tried moving the lock file ?
19:26<KillerX>is anyone running lenny that could compress and send me plz
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19:26<KillerX>abrotman, nop
19:26<KillerX>ill try
19:26<KillerX>what should i make abrotman ?
19:27<abrotman>just mv it ..
19:27<abrotman>mv lock lock.backup
19:27<KillerX>ok
19:28<KillerX>done
19:28<KillerX>and same error
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19:38<fir3z>hello everybody
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19:49<Guest835>hola
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20:03<Petrucci>?
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20:04<defiant>can anyone see proftpd in apt? when i aptitude search it does not show up - but i know it is availbable http://packages.debian.org/etch/proftpd
20:04<Hydroxide>defiant: are you running etch?
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20:05<defiant>Hydroxide: i have stable and testing in my sources.list
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20:05<defiant>stable = etch right?
20:05<Hydroxide>defiant: currently, yes
20:05<Hydroxide>defiant: (will change in a couple of months)
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20:05<Hydroxide>defiant: so what aptitude search command are you doing?
20:05<defiant>Hydroxide: aptitude search proftpd
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20:06<abrotman>mixing isn't good
20:07<Hydroxide>abrotman: even still, it shouldn't be a problem here
20:07<Hydroxide>abrotman: it's in lenny as well
20:07<Hydroxide>defiant: that same command shows it just fine for me
20:07<abrotman>defiant: doesn't return anything ?
20:08<abrotman>defiant: apt-cache policy proftpd ?
20:09<defiant>Hydroxide: i dont get anything back from that command
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20:09<defiant>abrotman: i get "W: Unable to locate package proftpd" from apt-cache policy
20:09<abrotman>defiant: after you changed your sources, did you run aptitude update ?
20:10<defiant>abrotman: yes. but im doing it again now to make sure...
20:10<defiant>abrotman / hydroxide: haha that fixed it
20:10<abrotman>have a nice day!
20:10<defiant>abrotman / hydroxide: i look like the biggest newbie
20:11<defiant>cheers!
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20:16<stevecotton>has anyone recently successfully used gparted to create a filesystem?
20:17*stevecotton is logging a bug, but can't believe that it fails for everyone.
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20:19<aetheria>stevecotton, check the BTS
20:20<aetheria>i would guess most people use CLI to makefs
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20:23<stevecotton>the BTS doesn't inspire confidence in that package, but lacks an /open/ "completely broken for making filesystems" bug.
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20:33<gryffon2k8>hi
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20:33<gryffon2k8>I am trying to use tightvnc over ssh2 (using putty) to connect to a debian server
20:34<gryffon2k8>I can connect without problems, but the keyboard becomes crazy
20:34<gryffon2k8>asdf = abfh
20:34<gryffon2k8>Using gnome
20:34<gryffon2k8>anybody knows how to fix this?
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20:35<maxb>Hi, I wonder if anyone can help with this:
20:35<maxb>I'm trying to make a .deb package that gets triggered (deb-triggers) when a JVM package is *configured*. Unfortunately I can't see any way to do this which doesn't involve hardcoding full filenames to conffiles as my trigger interests - which means I have to declare, for example sun-java5, sun-java6, ia32-sun-java5, etc, separately. Ideally I'd like to take advantage of the fact that all JVM packages install files into /usr/lib/jvm/ .
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20:36<gryffon2k8>When I say asdf = abfh I mean that if I press 'asdf' the keyboard shows 'abfh'
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20:38<stevecotton>sounds like keymap settings in VNC. I don't use that package, but have run in to similar with other remote management programs.
20:38<stevecotton>(keyboard layout)
20:39<gryffon2k8>hi stevecotton, thanks for your reply :) ... in tightvnc I don't have options to select keyboard layout
20:39<gryffon2k8>which vncviewer do you recommend (for winxp)?
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20:44<rickbot>hi @ll
20:44<rickbot>i've been hoping to find a way to get iceweasel 3 running on etch
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20:45<rickbot>i found a page that says to compile a newer version of gtk
20:45<rickbot>would this work ok or would it cause havok with other gtk-based apps?
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20:46<stevecotton>Have you considered just switching on Lenny / Sid?
20:47<rickbot>actually, i've just done the opposite
20:47<rickbot>there's something in the latest kde that screwed up my dual-head setup so i have to stick with stable for now
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20:48<Nemoder>you might also just try the firefox binary from mozilla.org
20:48<rickbot>if i upgrade kdelibs etc. the second screen is partially dissabled
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20:49<rickbot>Nemoder: but doesn't it require a newer version of gtk than what is in etch?
20:49<Nemoder>not sure, I think it ships with most of it's own libs
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20:49<rickbot>i'll look into it
20:50<rickbot>but while i'm here, anyone know if it will cause a problem with other things if i compile a newer gtk?
20:50<gryffon2k8>nobody has used tightvnc over ssh?
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20:52<rickbot>Nemoder: http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php
20:53<Nemoder>ah
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20:54<Nemoder>that looks like a reasonable solution, just make sure not to miss the --prefix or you may break things installing as root
20:54<rickbot>thx
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20:59<gryffon2k8>found a solution ... if anybody is interested: just start the server using tightvncserver -x XFIXES
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21:06<ircMonkey>I had the problem with the linux image-2.6.25-2 with nvidia drivers; How do I set nv instead of nvidia?
21:07<ircMonkey>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does nothing good
21:09<abrotman>edit your xorg.conf manually
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21:11<ircMonkey>I did it but it doesn't seem to work since it doesn't allow screen resolution beyond 1280x1024
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21:12<ircMonkey>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't ask me for the video driver
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21:16<abrotman>no it doesn't
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21:18<loony>how do I bring up the volume control?
21:18<ircMonkey>so adding the line Driver "nv" in section "Device" should be enough (after dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg)?
21:18<ircMonkey>loony: kmix
21:19<loony>ircMonkey: xfce
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21:19<loony>sry
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21:19<ircMonkey>loony: alsamix or something like this
21:19<amphi>loony: alsamixer in a term should always work, if you have alsa-utils installed
21:20<loony>hum
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21:20<amphi>loony: I expect xfce has a panel widget for this
21:20<loony>the thing is I can hear a whispering sound
21:20<loony>butt in alsamixer its on max
21:20<ircMonkey>about Driver "nv" (?)
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21:21<loony>hum
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21:24<ircMonkey>grep LoadModule /var/log/Xorg.0.log -> it semms it is already using "nv" But then why can't I have more than 1280x1024?
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21:25<ircMonkey>How do I check for the available resolutions?
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21:27<chealer>ircMonkey: X's log should tell you.
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21:28<ircMonkey>chealer: I don't remember where it is (?)
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21:29<chealer>ircMonkey: in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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21:29<ircMonkey>chealer: but there is also a command that gives the possibilities of the video driver
21:30<ircMonkey>NV(0): Not using driver mode "1920x1200" (exceeds panel dimensions) !!!
21:30<chealer>ircMonkey: not AFAIK, unless you're talking about something that uses X
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21:32<ircMonkey>chealer: yes a command starting with x... (have you seem what it says the x's log: NV(0): Not using driver mode "1920x1200" (exceeds panel dimensions)) ??
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21:32<ircMonkey>NV(0): Not using mode "1920x1200" (no mode of this name)
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21:34<Kevin1>Can anyone help me, I've got a little problem
21:34<chealer>ircMonkey: maybe xrandr, then, but should have the same information as what you'll find in X's log or in kcontrol.
21:34<newsense>!ask
21:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
21:35<chealer>ircMonkey: I've seen...that must mean your screen doesn't support that resolution.
21:35<humberto>Hi, how install SD-MMC memory stick cards?
21:35<humberto>Texas Instruments PCIxx21/x515 Cardbus Controller
21:36<humberto>Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller
21:36<humberto>i have this, but i dont meether
21:36<humberto>i have this, but i dont meet her
21:36<ircMonkey>chealer: yes but it does (I used that resolution before the problem with nvidia and new linux-image (xen bug))
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21:37<Kevin1>Okey, well I wounder how I remove the extra packages aswell when I install apache2 for an example. Because when I write apt-get --purge remove apache2, I says that just the apache2 package will be removed, but I want to remove the packages that was needed when I istalled apache2, such as lib and so on
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21:38<chealer>ircMonkey: if you don't mind, how large is your screen?
21:39<chealer>humberto: does Linux support that?
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21:39<chealer>Kevin1: which Debian suite do you use?
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21:41<Kevin1>chealer: I use the stable release of the netinst
21:41<Kevin1>Chealer: 4.0
21:42<ircMonkey>what is that? Option "Randr12"
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21:42<chealer>Kevin1: APT 0.6 doesn't support that. you'd need to use lenny or aptitude.
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21:44<Kevin1>Chealer: Okey, do you know when a netinst come for the unstable version? and how do I use aptitude
21:45<chealer>Kevin1: no, there will not be a netinst for unstable. lenny is testing. aptitude is a command-line program provided by the aptitude package.
21:45<ircMonkey>chealer: there is someting looking like what I have here http://dgoodwin.dangerouslyinc.com/xorg-1600x1200-nv-driver-exceeds-panel-dimensions but it is on fedoral. Do you thing it could be the sasme?
21:46<Kevin1>chealer: Well, how am I going to get a newer version of apt then :S , Okey but how do I use aptitude to remove the other packages?
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21:49<chealer>Kevin1: lenny has APT 0.7, so you can upgrade to lenny or wait until it's stable. aptitude is an APT front-end which sometimes tries to be smarter than APT. if you only use aptitude (no other APT front-end), you'll get some advantages such as what you are asking about.
21:51<newsense>whatll happen if ya use aptitude and say synaptic together ? i dont but just curious
21:51<Kevin1>Chealer: Thanks alot, but I have a question. I installed the netinst on my server yesterday, I just have the basic system and SSH right now, Don't got a GUI or something just bash ( console ). If I upgrade to lenny Will I get just the dist upgrades or will I have like, A GUI like gnome or KDE and games and all that unnessesary junk?
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21:53<ircMonkey>chealer: what do you think of that? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=476143
21:53<chealer>ircMonkey: please provide your X log
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21:57<chealer>ircMonkey: I don't completely understand the report. it might be your problem.
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22:00<chealer>newsense: in pre-lenny versions, you may lose aptitude-specific features (for example, aptitude wouldn't remove apache2.2-common when removing apache2 if apache2 was installed by synaptic) or, in the worst case, aptitude may propose bad solutions.
22:01<xbj9000>if I can't get my ram usage to go past 188MB with heavy multitasking, is there any reason for me to have more than 192MB RAM total?
22:01<chealer>Kevin1: if you just dist-upgrade, you'll just upgrade. desktop environments are optional in both etch and lenny.
22:01<abrotman>xbj9000: are you swapping ?
22:01<chealer>bbl
22:02<xbj9000>I have 256MB RAM and 256 swap
22:02<abrotman>xbj9000: are you using swap ?
22:02<xbj9000>swap usage isn't going past about 9mb
22:02<xbj9000>the CPU is only 300mhz and I dunno if it's even capable of using all my ram
22:03<dondelelcaro>xbj9000: there's always a reason to have more ram
22:04<ircMonkey>chealer: well considering the bug from fedora and the 476143 bug from debian, the nv the nv driver seems to have problem with finding the write specifications of the monitor.
22:04<dondelelcaro>xbj9000: first and formost is caching
22:04<xbj9000>well I wouldn't normally even consider removing ram
22:04<xbj9000>but it's an old laptop with only 4GB hard drive space total
22:05<ircMonkey>chealer: but I can't keep dealing with it right now, I have to go; however thank for your help :)
22:05<xbj9000>and swap has to be equal to ram for suspend functions
22:05<dondelelcaro>xbj9000: not necessarily, actually.
22:05<xbj9000>?
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22:06<dondelelcaro>xbj9000: the swap just has to be big enough to fit the contents of memory; usually that means equal to ram, but it's not necessarily the case
22:07<xbj9000>so if I never use more than 188, 192 swap would be enough for suspend?
22:07<dondelelcaro>possibly
22:08<Kevin1>Chealer: Okey, so if I do an dist-upgrade from my system now, I just upgrade all things that I've have installed now? I will not get anything new?
22:08<dondelelcaro>but if you're really worried about it, get a bigger drive.
22:08<xbj9000>eh
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22:08<xbj9000>yeah I should
22:08<xbj9000>the Thinkpad also requires a special partition equal to ram+video if I want to hibernate
22:08<xbj9000>bios quirk
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22:12<Kevin1>Chealer: If I upgrade from ench to lenny now, is it just to do apt-get dist-upgrade or it is it more complicated than that?
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22:18<xbj9000>can anyone tell me how to get my suspend function key to take down my wireless i nterface before suspending?
22:19<dondelelcaro>xbj9000: depends on what you're using to suspend
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22:19<xbj9000>apm, this laptop is from 1998
22:19<xbj9000>thinkpad
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22:20<xbj9000>if I forget to take down the network, it crashes at resume
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22:24<Kevin1>I've got a question, and I hope someone can help me. Yesterday I installed Debian 4.0 ench ( STABLE ) netinst and just installed the base system. Now I'm thinking of upgrade so I get the new apt version but not really sure if it is like I think it is. If I upgrade from ench to lenny will it just upgrade the things I have installed or will I get other junk packages, such as games,Office,GUI and so on.
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22:30<dondelelcaro>Kevin1: it'll only upgrade the things that are currently installed.
22:30<jolly>speak italian
22:30<jolly>?
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22:30<dondelelcaro>(that may include installing some new packages, but they should (in general) be directly related to what you've got installed)
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22:30<dondelelcaro>jolly: #debian-it does
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22:31<newsense>Kevin1: no unless they are dependencies which i doubt
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22:32<Kevin1>dondelelcaro: Thanks alot, do I need to do anything special or can I just write apt-get dist-upgrade? I want to upgrade from my stable to testing
22:32<Kevin1>newsense: Okey thanks :)
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22:34<newsense>apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
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22:34<newsense>apt-get update && dist-upgrade i think works too
22:35<newsense>nm
22:35<Kevin1>newsense: Thanks, will I get "lenny" then? Because dont want the unstable version called "sid"
22:35<Kevin1>newsense: So no prepartion need to be made?
22:35<newsense>check /etc/apt/sources.list
22:35<newsense>shopuld see lenny
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22:35<newsense>if ya see sid or unstable replace all with lenny
22:36<newsense>than apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
22:36<Kevin1>Okey thanks alot
22:37<newsense>np
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22:40<Kevin1>newsense: I got this, can't find lenny there
22:40<Kevin1>#
22:40<Kevin1># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 200 80218-14:15]/ etch contrib main
22:40<Kevin1>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080 218-14:15]/ etch contrib main
22:40<Kevin1>deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ etch main
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22:41<Kevin1>Sorry, pasted through irc
22:41<newsense>change the last line etch to lenny
22:41<newsense>comment out cd's
22:42<Kevin1>http://paste-it.net/public/jf800d6/
22:42<Kevin1>Cant you make me the correct file and give me the link through paste-it.net ?
22:42<newsense>change all etch to lenny
22:42<newsense>sure why not
22:42<newsense>1 sec
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22:44<Kevin1>newsense: Okey =)
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22:47<MotoHoss>any particular reason for choosing aspell over ispell for a default spell?
22:47<MotoHoss>or vice-versa?
22:48<Kevin1>MotoHoss: I think aspell is more lightweight and more functionally then ispell
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22:49<newsense>Kevin1: you get that right
22:49<Kevin1>newsense: ? :)
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22:50<newsense>cant dcc huh
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22:50<newsense>firewall
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22:50<Kevin1>newsense: I got this, Received CTCP 'DCC CHAT chat 1659002572 1693' (to Kevin1) from newsense
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22:51<newsense>http://rafb.net/p/s5sg5G39.html
22:51<newsense>check it out there
22:51<Kevin1>Thanks alot :)
22:52<newsense>backup yur original sources.list first
22:52<Kevin1>Just remove all and replace it with that and after that do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
22:52<newsense>to something like sources.list.old
22:52<Kevin1>Okey
22:52<newsense>mv /etc/apt/sources.list sources.list.old
22:52<newsense>add what i gave ya to a new file and rename it sources.list
22:52<newsense>place in /etc/apt
22:53<newsense>than run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
22:53<Kevin1>I did like this
22:53<Kevin1>cp sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.old
22:54<Kevin1>and put your file in sources.list
22:54<newsense>even better
22:54<d00d>What is the best way to mount external HDD that is runing NTFS
22:54<newsense>than just rewrite the old one
22:55<Kevin1>newsense: It seems that I cant rewrite :S
22:55<Kevin1>I wrote nano soruces.list but can delete the text
22:55<newsense>you root ?
22:55<Kevin1>Yes
22:56<newsense>mv it
22:56<newsense>make a new one
22:56<newsense>add the lines i gave ya
22:57<newsense>i use vim
22:57<Kevin1>Can I use something else then nano?
22:57<newsense>x deletes
22:57<newsense>vim
22:57<newsense>€i inserts new text
22:57<Kevin1>How does it work?
22:57<newsense>vim /etc/apt/sources.list
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23:00<Kevin1>How does it work :) I came to a black screen with blue "-"
23:00<Kevin1>How do I save?
23:00<newsense>hit x
23:01<newsense>err :
23:01<newsense>:wq!
23:01<Kevin1>Got the file
23:01<newsense>cool
23:01<newsense>use that
23:01<newsense>save your old sources first though
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23:02<Kevin1>yeah I did that I copied it and renamed it to sources.list.old
23:02<newsense>ok cool
23:02<Kevin1>What was the name of the file you send me
23:02<Kevin1>Cant find it
23:03<newsense>sources.list
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23:03<newsense>type cd ~ && grep sources.list *
23:04<Kevin1>lol didnt get it :S
23:04<Kevin1>Cant do that, doing all through windows
23:04<Kevin1>I'm controling my linux machine trough SSH
23:04<newsense>you did get it
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23:05<Kevin1>Nope, dont have it :P
23:05<newsense>ls | grep sources ?
23:05<newsense>without ?
23:06<Kevin1>I created a new file called sources.list
23:06<Kevin1>and pasted yours there
23:06<Kevin1>and saved
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23:06<newsense>was just gonna give up on ya too lol
23:06<Kevin1>hehe :)
23:06*newsense is extremely patient and nice today
23:07<newsense>my gf is loving it
23:07<Kevin1>Well it's not easy when your having Windows professional :P
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23:07<newsense>lol
23:07<Kevin1>Do you think I can upgrade through SSH? :)
23:07<newsense>alright apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
23:07<newsense>try it
23:07<Kevin1>yes :)
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23:08<newsense>working ?
23:08<Kevin1>Reading all packages :)
23:08<Kevin1>171 new packages can be upgraded
23:08<newsense>dam a lot
23:08<newsense>cool good luck
23:09<Kevin1>There we go :) My first upgrade install through another computer
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23:09<newsense>congrats!
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23:09<Kevin1>I'm doing the upgrade over putty in windows :)
23:09<Kevin1>Works great
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23:13<Kevin1>I chose to not touch my keyboard settings
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23:15<Kevin1>exim4 couldnt restart so I have to restart manually I got
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23:17<astronut>is thre an equivelent to iotop for etch (on 2.6.18)
23:17<Kevin1>newsense: I'm finished
23:17<Kevin1>I got this error thou
23:17<newsense>reboot
23:17<Kevin1>http://paste-it.net/public/zf7a210/
23:18<newsense>rreboot and run apt-get updarte && apt-get dist-upgrade
23:19<newsense>rreboot and run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
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23:21<Kevin1>Ok I will
23:22<Kevin1>Contiune to install now
23:22<newsense>yep
23:23<newsense>should be some stragglers that werent updated first time
23:23<Kevin1>Kk
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23:24<newsense>Kevin1: you new to linux or just debian ?
23:24<Kevin1>newsense: New to debian
23:25<newsense>what dist you use before ?
23:25<Kevin1>newsense: and new to installing from terminal :P allways used cds
23:25<Kevin1>ubuntu
23:25<Kevin1>shall I reboot again?
23:25<Kevin1>It was finished
23:25<newsense>did the kernel get updated ?
23:25<Kevin1>I'm not sure :P
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23:25<Kevin1>I do a reboot
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23:27<newsense>sorry was afk
23:27<newsense>only if kernel was upgraded
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23:28<Kevin1>I've got kernel: 2.6.25-2-686
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23:29<newsense>latest
23:29<newsense>in debian leny
23:29<Kevin1>Well everything seems to work The system is up running again, but I still get the messege:
23:29<Kevin1> ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken
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23:31<Kevin1>What does that mean?
23:31<newsense>try dpkg-reconfigure exim4
23:31<dondelelcaro>Kevin1: pretty much what it says; see what's in the paniclog
23:31<Kevin1>Kk
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23:32<Kevin1>In panic log followed says:
23:32<Kevin1>2008-07-22 21:14:34 Exim configuration error in line 28 of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp:
23:32<Kevin1> malformed macro definition
23:34<Kevin1>I need to do dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
23:35<Kevin1>Btw, what is exim4? never heard of it before
23:35<newsense>mta
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23:35<Kevin1>Do I need it?
23:35<Kevin1>Or can I simply remove it?
23:36<newsense>for error messages and such sent to root from services but theres alternatives
23:36<Kevin1>Well can you help me with the alternatives
23:37<Kevin1>It says it on swedish so I will try translate what it says in the exim4-config
23:37<newsense>just uninstall it and use a mail client like kmail or something
23:37<Kevin1>But what do I need a mail klient too? :P
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23:38<Kevin1>I just have the server for webhosting, mysql,apache2,php :)
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23:39<Kevin1>Or do I still need it for something
23:40<newsense>for error messages to be sent to root
23:40<newsense>in debian default it does not listen for connections from the internet
23:41<newsense>so it runs locally only
23:41<Kevin1>btw, the alternatives in exim4-config says:
23:41<Kevin1>1. Internethost; Email sends and delivers directly trough SMTP
23:41<Kevin1>2. Email sends of "smarthost"; Delivers trough SMTP or fetchmail
23:41<Kevin1>3. Email sends of "smarthost"; No local email
23:41<Kevin1>4. Only local delivery; Not a part of the network
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23:42<Kevin1>I will try to translate the alternatives in exim4-config
23:42<newsense>kevin by default its local only
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23:43<newsense>no
23:43<newsense>dont
23:43<Kevin1>Okey
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23:43<newsense>i understand how it works
23:43<Kevin1>newsense: Well shall I just uninstall then?
23:43<newsense>leave it installed
23:43<Kevin1>apt-get --purge remove exim4?
23:43<Kevin1>Well I get error messeges from it all the time
23:43<newsense>comment it out in /etc/inet.d if it isnt qalready
23:44<newsense>did ya try to reconfigure it ?
23:44<Kevin1>yes when I did dpkg-reconfigure exim4 it says that I need to do exim4-config
23:44<newsense>so dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
23:45<newsense>did ya try it ?
23:45<Kevin1>Yeah, I did that and thats the alternatives I'm trying to tell you :)
23:45<Kevin1>I can choose between
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23:46<newsense>ya tried both ?
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23:46<Kevin1>Internethost; The email sends and recives direclty through SMTP
23:47<Kevin1>2. The email sends of "smarthost"; Recives through SMTP or fetchmail
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23:47<Kevin1>3. The email sends of "smarthost"; No local email
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23:47<Kevin1>4. Only local delivery; Not a part of the network
23:48<Kevin1>5. No configuration right now
23:48<Kevin1>That was all
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23:48<newsense>choose 1
23:48<newsense>or one
23:48<Kevin1>Shall I choose Internethost; The email sends and recives direclty through SMTP
23:49<Kevin1>?
23:49<newsense>yeah
23:50<agm>-sorry to interupt you guys- Ok, I have a question, and I know it sounds dumb. For the past few months I've been "shopping" for a new WM and or DE, I finally settled on XFCE. Question is; why is it that when I try to install gnome apps such as Rhythmbox, aptitude prompts me to install nearly all of GNOME? I understand that rhythmbox is a gnome app and has dependencies, but are things such as metacity, synaptic, totem, alacarte, etc re
23:50<dondelelcaro>agm: it's a few wrong recommends; just deselect them. It's easiest to do this using aptitude's curses interface
23:51<Kevin1>Yeah
23:51<Kevin1>newsense: It asks me if I want to forbidden any extern Ip-adresses
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23:51<Kevin1>to connect to the exim4-deamon
23:52<newsense>all
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23:52<Kevin1>Shall I do 127.0.0.1 then?
23:52<newsense>no
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23:52<newsense>lol
23:52<Kevin1>So its just listen to that I mean
23:52<Kevin1>Because then it ignore all the others Ip-adresses
23:52<newsense>oh yeah
23:53<newsense>yeah
23:53<insano>_
23:53<Phoul>is the gnu debugger not present in the debian repos? =|
23:53<newsense>misunderstood ya sorry
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23:54<Kevin1>newsense: No problem :)
23:54<agm>alright, thanks dondelelcaro. I thought of doing that but it just seems like such a hassle to deselect them all. thanks again.
23:55<newsense>let e know how it goes
23:55<dondelelcaro>agm: well, for the most part those are bugs in the Recommends:; but there are some exceptions.
23:55<agm>yeah, I figured.
23:55<Kevin1>Newsense: Reconfigured put the panic file still says:
23:55<Kevin1>ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken
23:56<dondelelcaro>agm: also, you can always temporarily disable it with aptitude --without-recommends install foo;
23:56<newsense>any app to search for such depends and remove them ?
23:56<dondelelcaro>(though then you have the inverse problem)
23:56<agm>oh ok, I'll try that now
23:56<Kevin1>Shall I try to reinstall it?
23:56<newsense>nah fix it
23:57<Kevin1>How do i do that?
23:57<newsense>whats the error again ?
23:57<Kevin1>ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken
23:57<Kevin1>Oh wait
23:58<Kevin1>2008-07-22 21:14:34 Exim configuration error in line 28 of /var/lib/exim4/confi$
23:58<Kevin1> malformed macro definition
23:58<newsense>apt-get remove exim4--purge && apt-get install exim4
23:58<Kevin1>therewe go
23:58<newsense>try that first
23:58<newsense>im tired and lazy
23:58<newsense>ill help ya if that dont work
23:58<newsense>wait
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23:58<newsense>apt-get remove exim4--purge && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
23:59<Kevin1>Shall I do that first?
23:59<newsense>than apt-get install
23:59<Kevin1>Kk
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