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#debian IRC Logs for 2008-07-23

---Logopened Wed Jul 23 00:00:25 2008
00:01<Kevin1>Have installed it again
00:01<Kevin1>Going to try restart
00:01<Kevin1>Still got the panic messege
00:01<Kevin1>shall I remove the log file and try restart?
00:02<newsense>rm log file restart problem gone i think
00:03<newsense>but thats in a perfect world
00:03<Kevin1>I will try :)
00:03<newsense>go for it
00:03<Kevin1>Hold your thumbs
00:03<newsense>ill hold my beer
00:03<Kevin1>yeah :)
00:04<newsense>kinda warm time for a cold one
00:04<Kevin1>Hurray!
00:04<Kevin1>There we go :)
00:04<Kevin1>restarted without an error
00:04<newsense>cool
00:04*newsense drinks to that
00:05<Kevin1>Yeah :)
00:05<Kevin1>btw I would want to remove apache2 and all the other packages that was needed to be installed when I installed it
00:06<Kevin1>How do I remove the package apache2 and all the depend packages?
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00:08<newsense>apt-get remove apache2 --purge ?
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00:08<Kevin1>I will try, should the other packages be listed?
00:09<newsense>ya want to save config files dont use --purge
00:09<newsense>also install deborphan to remove orphaned libs and bins
00:09<newsense>or debfoster
00:10<Kevin1>I did apt-get remove apache2 --purge but only apache2 package get listed
00:10<Kevin1>1 ready for removal
00:10<newsense>y
00:10<Kevin1>When I installed apache2 , I got alot of libs and stuff
00:11<newsense>than install one of those packages i recommended and use it
00:11<newsense>deborphan is what i use theres also debfoster
00:11<newsense>and others im sure
00:11<newsense>apt-cache show deborphan
00:11<newsense>read the description
00:11<Kevin1>Kk :) will
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00:12<newsense>dpkg: tell Kevin1 about deborphan
00:12<Kevin1>O quess this is it: deborphan - Find orphaned libraries
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00:13<newsense>yes
00:13<newsense>works for bins too
00:13<Kevin1>Real good package
00:13<Kevin1>I will install
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00:14<Kevin1>there we go
00:14<Kevin1>apt-get install deborphan
00:14<Kevin1>Smooth installed
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00:15<Kevin1>For removing all unnessecery how do I do?
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00:16<newsense>and
00:17<Kevin1>newsense: How do I use deborphan?
00:19<newsense>man deborphan
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00:19<newsense>ive been pretty cool with ya but youre pushing it now
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00:20<Kevin1>haha, sorry :)
00:20<Kevin1>I'm to lazy
00:20<Kevin1>I will check it :)
00:20<Kevin1>Brb
00:20<newsense>me too
00:20<Kevin1>Yeah, sorry :)
00:20<newsense>np
00:21<newsense>i like to help bu my gf is having a heart attack and trying to get me to go to bed
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00:21<franco>hi
00:21<Kevin1>No problem :)
00:21<newsense>im here often, glad to help when i can
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00:22<Kevin1>Yeah
00:22<Kevin1>dpkg: Tell Kevin1 about deborphan
00:22<Kevin1>Is this the right for remove all unused libs
00:22<Kevin1>deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge
00:23<newsense>i like to think of it like bittorrent i seed the same amount as i leech if not more
00:23<newsense>learning and filesharing are similar
00:23<Kevin1>Yes :)
00:25<newsense>good talkin to ya, see ya here later maybe
00:25<Kevin1>Newsense: I read the man, but couldn't find the xargs enxhanges
00:25<Kevin1>Oh, okey goodnight
00:26<newsense>if ya run kde itll have it in the menu
00:26<newsense>otherwise i can help ya tomorrrow or else im sleeping alone
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00:27<Kevin1>okey
00:27<newsense>11:30 here in chicago and i get up at 6
00:27<Kevin1>Goodnight
00:27<Kevin1>kk
00:27<newsense>gn all
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00:28<newsense>Kevin1: wait
00:28<newsense>you use x ?
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00:29<Kevin1>No
00:29<Kevin1>I just do bash
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00:29<Kevin1>I did deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge
00:30<Kevin1>And it worked, but dont know what the xargs do because cant find the gears
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00:36<Kevin1>Anyone here that can help me with deborphan?
00:36<jm_techy>howdy i have a eeepc and installed debian-eeepc ,, i would like to know how to disable the desktop switching with the touch pad
00:39<gsimmons>jm_techy: Try asking your question in #debian-eeepc.
00:39<Kevin1>jm_techy: Are you using Beryl?
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00:40<Kevin1>jm_techy: try ccsm -> viewport switcher -> actions -> desktop-based viewport switching -> move text & move prev
00:41<Kevin1>jm_techy: Just turn Viewport Switching off in ccsm
00:41<jm_techy>ccsm isnt found
00:43<Kevin1>jm_techy: apt-get update && apt-get install ccsm
00:43<jm_techy>nvm i found a way to desable the 2nd desktops
00:43<Kevin1>jm_Techy: okey
00:44<jm_techy>had to enable the wm menus provided and remove last desktop from that menu
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00:52<Kevin1>Does anyone know a way to cleanup startup history?
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00:53<Steven_M>hi all
00:54<Kevin1>Hi
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00:55<Steven_M>is there a deb package for the lame mp3 encoder?
00:55<Steven_M>Kevin1: Hi
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00:56<ooter>well there's toolame and twolame
00:56<DawnLight>can anyone help with a preseed problem, please? http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/07/msg00931.html
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00:58<gsimmons>!tell Steven_M -about lame
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01:01<Kevin1>Does anyone know how deborphan works?
01:01<Steven_M>ooter: gsimmons: thankyou both :)
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01:02<ooter>well it has this binary thing that gets executed
01:03<Steven_M>ooter: oh well
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01:04<Kevin1>dpkg: tell Kevin1 about deborphan
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01:06<Steven_M>dpkg: Steven_M about deborphan
01:06<dpkg>i haven't a clue, Steven_M
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01:15<Steven_M>dpkg: Steven_M -about deborphan
01:15<dpkg>no idea, Steven_M
01:16<Steven_M>dpkg: Steven_M -about mythtv
01:16<dpkg>Steven_M: bugger all, i dunno
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01:30<Kevin1>Does anyone know how doberphan works?
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01:44<nicholas_>i'm trying to analyze a hard drive of a Debian stable machine that was taken down due to running ircbots.
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01:45<nicholas_>i've checked chkrootkit, all the various tmp directories, everything in /var/log and came up completely clean. Does anyone have any ideas for where I could look? Or if they know whether people like to run ircbots in ram entirely and rm the files off disk?
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01:50<dondelelcaro>nicholas_: they wouldn't necessarily have left a rootkit
01:50<dondelelcaro>nicholas_: I'm assuming you've got the harddrive out of the machine and it isn't actually running, right?
01:50<nicholas_>right, of course. :)
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01:51<nicholas_>technically it's still in the machine, but i've booted a live-cd.
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01:51<nicholas_>the only things that i can find which are fishy, is that ippl was installed, but /var/log/ippl/ is empty and there's no mention of ippl in /var/log/*
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01:52<nicholas_>and there's a *fascinating* log message from rpc.statd -- someone called gethostbyname with a binary blob
01:52<dondelelcaro>nicholas_: the first step is then to see what file's md5sums don't match the distributed values
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01:53<nicholas_>good point. my live-cd doesn't have debsums, but i'll figure something out.
01:55<nicholas_>oh blimey. it's lenny/sid, not stable. :-(
01:56<qq>nicholas_: gethostbyname come from a nis domain , is nis installed ?
01:56<nicholas_>qq: no, i don't think so.
01:58<Kevin1>Can anyone explain how to use deborphan
02:00<qq>nicholas_: try cat /etc/domain or so, or ls /etc/yp[tab], cat /etc/netgroup
02:00<nicholas_>qq: none of those exist.
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02:01<Kevin1>Does anyone know how you clean up your start up ( sysv-rc-conf)
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02:05<nicholas_>dondelelcaro: do you know any way to deal with prelinking? or do i just have to accept that i can't tell what sums are and aren't valid?
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02:08<dondelelcaro>nicholas_: huh?
02:09<dondelelcaro>nicholas_: prelinking has nothing to do with the md5sums being valid or invalid
02:09<nicholas_>dondelelcaro: 'prelink -a' was run on the box, that modifies all the binaries after installation.
02:09<dondelelcaro>uh... well, that was all kinds of stupid
02:09<nicholas_>sorry. i work with what i have :(
02:09<dondelelcaro>there's pretty much no way to tell then
02:10<dondelelcaro>unless you had aide or similar installed
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02:11<dondelelcaro>you could still conceivably figure it out by looking for things which were setuid, or specifically examining setuid/setgid binaries, configuration files, etc. but that's a ton of manual work
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02:12*nicholas_ nods.
02:12<nicholas_>i was hoping i'd find "/tmp/. ircb0t/binary" owned by www-data.www-data or something obvious :-(
02:13<nicholas_>alright. so lessons for next time: firewall. and no prelink.
02:14<dondelelcaro>you're also going to want things like chrootkit and aide or similar installed
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02:15<nicholas_>ok -- i'm not familiar with aide. is its debian default config sane? or do i need to add rules for it?
02:16<dondelelcaro>nicholas_: it's a start; you may need to tweak it
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02:40<nicholas_>dondelelcaro: is it enough to replace the bootloader and every un-md5-verifiable file on the disk? or do i *really* need a fresh reinstall?
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02:41<lothar>Good mornig !
02:43<gsimmons>lothar: (re yaboot) Add a new line reading "macosx=/dev/hda2" to your /etc/yaboot.conf file, then run "ybin -v". In the event this isn't your actual Mac OS X boot partition, use /dev/hda3 instead. FYI, the partition type of /dev/hda5 is incorrect (should be "Linux native"). You may also want to define the "defaultos=" option as appropriate, if you desire to boot Mac OS X by default.
02:43<lothar>Ahh :-)
02:44<lothar>I have now a little more success, but Mac is not happy (the apple logo dissapears and a circle with a 'slash' comes up.
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02:47<lothar>Current configuration therefore is: http://paste.debian.net/12443/
02:48<lothar>Also I have understood the bootsrtrap partition is for yaboot (/dev/hda2) itself ?
02:50<gsimmons>lothar: Huh? Wasn't yaboot previously installed in /dev/hda4? (http://paste.debian.net/12197/). This is the 800K NewWorld bootblock you had set aside for it.
02:51<dondelelcaro>nicholas_: you really need a fresh reinstall
02:51<lothar>So it sounds I have killed my /dev/hda2 ?
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02:52<dondelelcaro>nicholas_: you can re-introduce data and user stuff after sanitizing startup files, but after a compromise, you always start anew.
02:52<gsimmons>lothar: It is quite likely. You weren't required to change boot= if yaboot was previously installed and booting your Debian system.
02:53<nicholas_>dondelelcaro: *sigh* what about a ... non-destructive reinstall? reinstall debian from cd, but don't format the drive?
02:53<lothar>So my option now is to use Mac DVD to repair and set back boot=/dev/hda4 ?
02:53<nicholas_>dondelelcaro: i sense a "no" in my future ;)
02:53<dondelelcaro>nicholas_: the problem with that is that you have to go through absolutely everything and check it all.
02:53<dondelelcaro>nicholas_: that's virtually impossible to do
02:54<dondelelcaro>nicholas_: the general method is to image the drive, reinstall, and copy back data after checking it.
02:54<nicholas_>dondelelcaro: i wouldn't mind doing that if a) i could find all the user-added files on it and b) i could find evidence it was comprimised. ((and c), i were actually within 1000 miles of the machine.))
02:55<gsimmons>lothar: Yes, provided the Macintosh boot repair utility isn't lazy/stupid. You can also reinstall yaboot from a Debian installation CD in rescue mode (to /dev/hda4) in the event it is.
02:55<nicholas_>i guess what i want is kinda irrelevant. *sigh*
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02:56<lothar>gsimmons: I never had made this. My longest experience is Windows, then SuSE Linux, then Mac OS X, then Solaris and least Debian PPC :-)
02:57<lothar>gsimmons: Is there afterwards an option to grab the partition with dd ?
02:58<gsimmons>lothar: I'm not sure what you're asking, but you can use dd to dump a partition to a file (and vice-versa).
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02:58<lothar>Ok, maybe for backup to have another option beside the apple boot repair.
02:59<lothar>My question may be simple. Put in the Apple DVD and boot with C and then utilize the menu to find the boot repair ?
03:00<newsense>is chrkrootkit any good or is there a better app for this ?
03:01<gsimmons>lothar: I've no idea about Apple's boot record recovery utilities. On G4 and some G3 systems, OpenFirmware itself has a graphical boot selector function (hold down the "Option" key during boot).
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03:03<lothar>Ok, I will first set yaboot to hda4 and then try Apple DVD. To come into the OpenFirmware shell, I have got documentation :-)
03:03<lothar>Thanks,
03:03<lothar>Bye
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03:17<morgan`>hi
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03:47<lothar>gsimmons: I am back, but didn't find the Mac Boot repair app. What did you say is it's location and name ?
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03:48<filenotfound>hi
03:49<gsimmons>lothar: As mentioned previously, I've no idea about them. So I can't give you their name or location.
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03:51<lothar>Ok, I'll google. Thanks. Beside, I had set the next boot from Apple Install DVD to Macintosh HD, but it started directly Linux :-(
03:51<lothar>I'll also think about macking a full backup to my external disk :-)
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04:04<lothar>What again was the paste server address please ?
04:04<gsimmons>!paste
04:04<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
04:04<lothar>Thanks
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04:19<robokop>how do i get s2disk to work
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04:23<themill>!suspend troubleshooting
04:23<dpkg>A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk problems is at http://en.opensuse.org/S2ram . The tools it talks about are available in the debian package uswsusp.
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04:28<robokop>already tried that, but it doesn't work for me :s
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04:31<themill>You're going to have to be more specific than that. What exactly have you tried? How did it not work?
04:32<themill>!doesn't work
04:32<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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04:40<bcochofel>I need some help setting timezone under apache2 and php5
04:41<mordy>what's the comman to restart networking? i need to have this one on speedial\
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04:41<bcochofel>how can I set TZ env so that apache2 reads it at startup?
04:42<mordy>silly ISP cut off the entire jerusalem's internet for "Maintenance" - and this was right when we were speaking about ISPs here in the channel
04:43<themill>bcochofel: http://php.net/manual/en/datetime.configuration.php#ini.date.timezone
04:43<themill>bcochofel: I presume you're really just interested in PHP's TZ not in Apache itself.
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04:44<hariss>woy
04:44<caffn>mordy : /etc/init.d/networking restart
04:44<bcochofel>themill: the problem is how can I set TZ so that PHP can read it
04:45<jazz>hi there. Does anybody know if hmc code can be direclty updated to V6 R1.3 from V5 R1.0 ?
04:45<mordy>oh, *restart*. thanks caffn - i tried ......start :p
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04:45<caffn>Ghehe
04:45<bcochofel>themill: I'm using date.timezone under apache2.conf, but I need a simple solution to apache and cli
04:45<bcochofel>themill: if I export TZ under /etc/profile does apache get it when it starts?
04:46<themill>Is this for php scripts?
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04:47<themill>PHP will complain with E_NOTICE if you rely on $TZ anyway. As of PHP 5.1ish, you need to explicitly set the timezone from within PHP (through php.ini, apache->php directives or within the script).
04:48<themill>(err might be E_STRICT, not E_NOTICE)
04:50<mordy>ok, how do i get out of this without using the GUI?: i connected to a different network with dhcp etc. - and now DNS doesn't work on my old network. i can ping, but i can't connect to any websites or services
04:51<caffn>Uh.. What does "cat /etc/resolv.conf" say?
04:52<bcochofel>themill: ok, thx
04:52<mordy>caffn - there's the problem - it says the dns server of my other network\
04:52<mordy>(e.g. i'm connected now to 192.168.1.0, while this shows the dns-server of 10.0.0.0)
04:53<caffn>Alright. Try "echo 192.168.1.x > /etc/resolv.conf" and ofcourse replace x with current dns-ip
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04:53<kesrut>why i don't see 915 resolution in lenny ?
04:53<themill>kesrut: not needed any more
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04:54<kesrut>themill, i have macbook and i want to get good screen .. but it's looks good
04:54<caffn>Strange that your dhcp doesnt provide the right dns tough.
04:54<themill>bcochofel: so your best bet is probably to set it in a php ini fragment in /etc/php5/conf.d/
04:54<mordy>caffn - the network i'm using is static
04:54<kesrut>*not*
04:54<caffn>Ah :)
04:54<caffn>Thats why you need to change it manually :D
04:55<mordy>caffn - i guess i need to restart networking yet again - since this isn't doing the trick - although the correct dns shows up in resolv.conf
04:56<caffn>Hm, not sure.. I never restart network after dns-change.. But you can try ofcourse
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04:56<mordy>caffn - restarting worked
04:56<caffn>:)
04:57<mordy>i come from a windoze background. i have this instant reflex of restarting anything at the slightest change
04:57<caffn>Hehehe.. "You moved your mouse, please restart your computer"
04:57<qq_>
04:58<mordy>maybe i should set up "Real" dns, so i won't need to use static ip
04:59<caffn>Yeah.. simpel dhcp-server with dns will do the trick
05:00<mordy>would be cool if i could run debian on my router - but i only have busybox there - dd-wrt
05:01<mordy>!dd-wrt
05:01<caffn>I dont even know what OS my router is running.. I'm using my debian-server as networkserver (dhcp, dns, fileserver)
05:02<mordy>i could set up my server to get an IP from ppp and then connect it to my AP's wan port?
05:02<caffn>Probably.. :P
05:02<mordy>hmm... but i only have one ethernet port :(
05:03<qq_>use eth0:1 ?
05:06<mordy>qq_ hmm... and that would provide a different subnet for my local network? but how would i reach my server?
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05:08<qq_>bridging all ?
05:08<mordy>oh
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05:10<mordy>caffn - what router do you have/
05:10<caffn>Zyxel Prestige 2602HW-61
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05:12<themill>that's got some proprietary thing running on it
05:13<mordy>"untested" in open wrt
05:13<caffn>:P
05:13<disposable>when i install a kernel source package, it has a directory debian/patches in it. have those patches been already applied to the kernel source or does that need to be done manually?
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05:15<mordy>hmm...
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05:16<mordy>as a rule, the crappier the product, the better firmware it has
05:17<caffn>rofl
05:17<mordy>my experience anyway
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05:21<kesrut>how to install firefox ?
05:21<kesrut>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
05:21<kesrut> mozilla-firefox: Depends: iceweasel (< 2.0.0.6-0etch1+lenny1.1~) but 3.0~rc2-2 is to be installed
05:21<kesrut>E: Broken packages
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05:22<themill>kesrut: install iceweasel instead
05:24<mordy>i wonder what the difference between them is anyway
05:24<kesrut>ok ?
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05:24<kesrut>i can't start iceweasel
05:24<caffn>Iceweasel is just an unbranded version of firefox
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05:25<kesrut>i want branded software :P
05:25<caffn>:P
05:25<caffn>Debian does not offer firefox
05:25<caffn>Just iceweasel.
05:25<mordy>it's evil
05:25<kesrut>i'm using epiphany and it's stuck my computer
05:25<caffn>No it's not. Debian wants free software, and the firefox-name is not free (something like that), so they use iceweasel :P
05:25<mordy>i don't know what the saving grace of epiphany is, really
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05:26<kesrut>lol
05:26<kesrut>ok if i want firefox 2 ?
05:27<kesrut>but named iceweasel
05:27<caffn>apt-get install iceweasel
05:27<caffn>But I believe in Lenny they now force you to use fx3
05:27<kesrut>caffn, and how to get 3 version ?
05:27<themill>iceweasel 2 is no longer in lenny/sid
05:27<drag0n>I need to resize a lvm in my debian etch system. The problem is that / is a volume inside the group, so I won't have access to the tools if I unmount the partition. I tried a ubuntu 7.10 live cd I had lying around, but device-mapper isn't in the kernel so I cant do anything with the volume. Am I doing something wrong or do ye know a live cd distro that I could use?
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05:29<caffn>Try knoppix drag0n
05:29<caffn>kesrut : http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
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05:30<kesrut>and that's the difference from apt-get and aptitude ?
05:31<caffn>apt-get and aptitude basically do the same
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05:31<themill>!why aptitude
05:31<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
05:31<caffn>True, true
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05:31<kesrut>debian:/home/kesrut# dpkg -l | grep iceweasel
05:31<kesrut>ii iceweasel 3.0~rc2-2 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
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05:32<kesrut>how to remove 3.0 version ?
05:32<caffn>aptitude purge iceweasel
05:32<caffn>Purge > remove and delete all settings
05:32<kesrut>yes i know it
05:32<caffn>:)
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05:34<chandu>hi
05:34<chandu>Is there any command in linux to monitor the file
05:34<kesrut>something wrong with system .. it start to show border and stuck .. then i surfing internet
05:34<kesrut>so i upgrading gnome
05:35<kesrut>so it's not epiphany problem .
05:35<themill>chandu: what do you mean by monitor?
05:35<kesrut>maybe track changes
05:35<chandu>themill, I mean, I am running a script to copy a large file from my server ..its taking around 5-10 min
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05:36<kesrut>chandu: rsync
05:36<chandu>themill, Meanwhile I run the same script to copy another file of very small size
05:36<chandu>themill, so the second process is finishing first
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05:37<chandu>themill, So, I want to monitor the process taking place in that file ..I
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05:38<themill>chandu: I'm still not sure what you're trying to do. If you want a progress bar on copying, then scp and rsync can both give you that. If you want to repeatedly run a command to see if something has happened, try "watch".
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05:38<chandu>themill, ok
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05:42<srij>hi
05:42<mordy>gah, this is weird
05:43<mordy>i thought i fixed my internet problems since i canc onnect to a remote session over my lan, but it seems that my computer can still not connect to the internet, even though i'm using the internet via remote session
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05:45<qq_>proxy is activate ?
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05:45<srij>password history was not updated in the /etc/security/opasswd file. Tell me how to rectify that.
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05:46<mordy>qq_: i'm not using any proxies
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05:48<drag0n>Ok, I've got knoppix downloading for now. Some time to go research more about resizing the lv
05:48-!-monzo [~monzo@frg-138-103.frg.eur.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
05:48<kesrut>and what is lvm ?
05:48<kesrut>!lvm
05:48<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm @ irc.freenode.net.
05:50<kesrut>i will love debian ?
05:51<kesrut>i used ubuntu
05:51<drag0n>You might like debian...
05:51<cogwheel>!why debian
05:51<dpkg>http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/
05:52<kesrut>debian is like woman ..
05:52<kesrut>or not ?
05:52<kesrut>;-)))
05:53<kesrut>how to set ondemand governator on debian ?
05:54<caffn>mordy, whats going wrong with the connection then?
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05:55<mordy>caffn, i wish i knew
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05:56<mordy>everything seems fine. the interfaces file seems ok too
05:56<caffn>DNS was also fixed.. Hm.. Can you ping, to google or something?
05:56<mordy>what's google's ip?
05:57<caffn>ping www.google.com ;D
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05:57<mordy>unknown host - weird
05:57<caffn>Alright. Try "dig www.google.com"
05:57<mordy>but it always does that - i didn't think the ping command supports dns
05:57<caffn>Yeah it does
05:58<caffn>caffn@coffee:~$ ping www.google.com
05:58<caffn>PING www.l.google.com (64.233.183.104) 56(84) bytes of data.
05:58<caffn>64 bytes from nf-in-f104.google.com (64.233.183.104): icmp_seq=1 ttl=247 time=27.1 ms
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05:59<mordy>weird
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05:59<kesrut>i upgrading packets ..
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05:59<kesrut>and everytime i need to press Y
05:59<kesrut>which key to press to ALL Y ?
06:00<mordy>caffn - i can't even ping my own wan ip
06:00<caffn>Thats normal mordy :)
06:00<caffn>You should add -y after the apt-get command kesrut
06:00<mordy>caffn - i can ping it from my other computers
06:01<caffn>apt-get upgrade -y
06:01<caffn>Oh.. Hm...
06:01*caffn gets an idea
06:01<mordy>i have two other computers connected to the network, and they can both access the intetnet and ping whatever they want :D
06:01<caffn>Type "route"
06:01<caffn>I think that your default gateway is not set anymore
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06:01<mordy>hmm...
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06:02<caffn>Since ur on static and all
06:02<mordy>"default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
06:02<ries>Nitro tha CiMien
06:02<caffn>Hm, thats normal
06:02<mordy>yeah
06:03<caffn>But.. you can't ping 192.168.1.1 ?
06:03<mordy>i can
06:03<caffn>Ah ok
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06:03<mordy>i can ping anything within my local network - i'm even chatting from that computer, via a remote session
06:03<caffn>Try ping 4.2.2.4
06:03<mordy>err... it pings fine - but what is that?
06:04<caffn>OpenDNS. But if that ping is ok, your connection is able to make it to the internet
06:04<caffn>Try in ur browser to open http://64.233.183.99
06:04<caffn>Thats google :)
06:05<mordy>works. i guess it's DNS
06:05<caffn>Yeah. Try "dig"
06:05<mordy>dig www.google.com didn't work - timed out
06:06<caffn>Hm. How about just dig?
06:06<petemc>seems pretty clear its a dns issue
06:06<caffn>Dig should also show what dns-server it's using
06:06<mordy>timed out
06:06<caffn>So you might also try "dig @192.168.1.1 www.google.com" (if 192.168.1.1 is ur dns)
06:08<mordy>"SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1)..." is that normal? that dig worked
06:08<mordy>that #53 - looks weird
06:08<caffn>Thats normal, yes
06:08<caffn>No, it's the port
06:08<mordy>oh
06:08<caffn>;; SERVER: 192.168.1.36#53(192.168.1.36)
06:08<caffn> << mine
06:09<caffn>Let me think..
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06:09<caffn>Ur connected to internet.. You can dig the DNS.. Can you check the /etc/resolv.conf again?
06:10<mordy>caffn, just did
06:10<mordy>192.168.1.1
06:10<caffn>Strange..
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06:10<MTristan>hello
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06:11<MTristan>does anybody knows how to installe the murrine gtk engine on Debian Etch?
06:11<mordy>caffn - i'm having a feeling that some service isn't started - i don't know what though
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06:11<mordy>it doesn't even seem to be "trying" to resolve the DNS but immediately quits
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06:12<caffn>Weird..
06:13<mordy>err... what about this: 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
06:13<mordy>isn't there supposed to be some mask on that line?
06:14<caffn>Uh.. Yeah..
06:14<caffn>Kernel IP routing table
06:14<caffn>Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
06:14<caffn>192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth3
06:14<caffn>default 192.168.1.254 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth3
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06:14<caffn>Lol
06:14<mordy>lol
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06:14<mordy>sucks when you're trying to help and then get kicked :(
06:14<caffn>Yeah ;D
06:14<caffn>Ah well.
06:14<mordy>how do i edit it?
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06:15<caffn>man route
06:15<caffn>;D
06:15<mordy>isn't there a file of some sorts/
06:16<caffn>I think you should type.. "route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0"
06:16<mordy>ahh
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06:17<padski>!paste
06:17<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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06:17<mordy>that didn't do anything
06:18<mordy>maybe i'll just paste what i've got
06:18<caffn>Alright :)
06:19<mordy>!paste
06:19<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
06:20<mordy>caffn - http://paste.debian.net/12453/
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06:20<mordy>(the duplicate entry in route is new, after adding that second route)
06:20<petemc>why are you messing with routes?
06:21<petemc>your gateway is fine, as evidenced by the fact you can ping addresses outside of your network
06:21<caffn>Yeah.. He's right. But hey, it was worth a try :P
06:21<lothar>Is there any mac user chanel ?
06:21<lothar>I like to ask how to do a backup in installation console to my TREKSTOR drive. /tmp could not be used. tar has problems to stat there.
06:21<petemc>lothar: there should be an #osx channel on freenode
06:22<lothar>irc.freenode.org or the like ?
06:22<petemc>aye
06:22<petemc>or .net
06:22<lothar>Ok, thanks.
06:22<caffn>Well, the duplicate route is indeed because we added the new one, so you might delete that one (route del..something)
06:23<caffn>Strange thing it still that your computer refuses to access the dns-server automatically.
06:23<mordy>yeah
06:24<mordy>i wonder if there's a way to check if the old dns server is still stuck in one of the configurations
06:24<petemc>theres no dns cache
06:24<petemc>unless you install one
06:24<mordy>oh
06:24<petemc>whats in /etc/resolv.conf ?
06:25<mordy>in the paste output - but it's only the address of the dns server -
06:25<petemc>i havent really been following
06:26<petemc>does dig@192.168.1.1 www.google.com work?
06:26<mordy>petemc - yes
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06:26<kesrut>i think i found workeround
06:27<lothar>There are too few users (2 including me :-)
06:27<kesrut>update-python-modules: error: Trying to overwrite pygtk.py which is already provided by /usr/share/python-support/python-gtk2
06:27<petemc>mordy: try putting the opendns server addresses in resolv.conf
06:27<petemc>oh, wait a second
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06:27<kesrut>just upgraded to etch to lenny
06:27<petemc>mordy: your syntax in resolv.conf is incorrect
06:28<mordy>oh
06:28<kesrut>and installed gnome and got that error .. so i delete python file from that direcotry
06:28<petemc>it should be "nameserver 192.168.1.1"
06:28<mordy>oh
06:28<petemc>man resolv.conf
06:28<Zathraz>hi. I am using Impress presentation sw from OpenOffice 2.4 on Lenny, Works fine. Except when I try to print "notes" of slides. Then it crashes. Is this known behavior?
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06:29<mordy>i've manned that before - but i guess i'd need to do it again :(
06:29<kesrut>mordy, use gui configurations tools
06:29<petemc>no
06:29<petemc>thats not good advice
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06:29<kesrut>networkmanager manually changes resolv.conf
06:29<kesrut>automatically*
06:30<mordy>nah, i've had bad experience with network-manager
06:30<petemc>network manager is fine when it works, but i dont know anyone who fully understands it
06:30<kesrut>ok i have too bad experience with network-manager
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06:31<mordy>well, but it works now; i wish these configuration files had the man pages *inside* them
06:31<mordy>or is there an option for that
06:31<petemc>thats not a great idea
06:31<kesrut>mordy, then you configure networks whink about such things: adapter address, gateway address, dns server address
06:31<caffn>Lol, so that was the problem
06:31<petemc>more complicated apps ofen comes with configs full of comments
06:32<mordy>petemc - but i usually never have trouble with those
06:32<caffn>My fault btw, about the resolv.conf :X
06:32<kesrut>even think about network subnetmask
06:33<mordy>it's mainly about screen real estate for me - i don't have a choice of having both the manpage and the config file open at the same time - and by the time i switch windows i've forgotten what the man pages said already
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06:35<mordy>i wouldn't even have realized that the DNS wouldn't be working on that computer, since i mainly use it as a thin client
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06:45<mordy>hmm... wait - do i even need resolv.conf if a nameserver is already defined in network/interfaces?
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06:47<keiko>morning
06:48<petemc>mordy: all that would do is put the addresses in /etc/resolv.conf anyway
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06:50<mordy>guess i need to read up on it. but i first need to get this dongle working
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06:51<qq_>or maybe nothing , there is the router/modem who will put something
06:52<mordy>not without dhcp
06:53<qq_>your router/modem has no dhcp ?
06:53<mordy>qq_ it's off
06:53<qq_>why ?
06:54<mordy>easier to configure ports. and for some reason the router won't listen to me when i tell it to assign IP based on MAC addresses
06:54<mordy>i'll move to DNS eventually
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06:55<qq_>yeah, as usual, Mr. No_KISS
06:57<mordy>hehe qq_
06:58<disposable>i found a kernel patch that i needed /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.18/debian/features/all/vserver/vs2.0.2.2-rc9.patch. i applied it from the /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 and then ran make-kpkg with "--added-patches vserver", but make-kpkg gave me Could not find patch for vserver. what am i doing
06:58<disposable> wrong? there is a script n the vserver directory called gen-patch but i don't know how to use it as iat ahs no comments
06:59<mordy>can anyone access this site? http://www.orange.co.il?
07:00<caffn>Server is too busy
07:00<Gekz>orange coil
07:00<mordy>lol
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07:05<mordy>meh, gotta get out of this place
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07:05<mordy>palestinians have stopped commiting suicide bombings and are now smashing people with tractors
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07:10<caffn>rofl
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07:12<mordy>caffn- no kidding - read the news
07:13<caffn>Yeah I know.. Strange people over there.
07:13<Gekz>nuke them all!
07:13*Gekz hides.
07:14<caffn>Booom!
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07:15<mordy>lol
07:16<leleobhz>im using debian lenny with xen 3.2 and im getting trouble with tls
07:16<leleobhz>have no /lib/tls
07:16<leleobhz>the libc6-xen package is installed
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07:16<leleobhz>and it still getting a warning about the /lib/tls
07:16<leleobhz>someone know why this is happening?
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07:21<mordy>well, if i don't come back here, it's probably because i was killed by some tractor-driving terrorist
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07:22<lothar>Anyone here knows about tar ? It uses /tmp while creating tar files and I get stat errors. Could I tell tar to not do this ?
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07:38<mordy>hehe, it seems that al qaeda is living in this building
07:38<mordy>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7514350.stm
07:42<qq_>mordy: please use #debian-offtopic for such things
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07:46<burn>hi guys, was wondering if i could install Ubuntu Mobile on my O2 xda stealth
07:47<petemc>perhaps, try asking in #ubuntu
07:47<burn>oooppss hehehe
07:47<burn>i tot i was in ubuntu channel :p
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07:48<weasel>it's not.
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07:54<caffn_work>Bye :)
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08:07<client>is there a way to play a playlist in the audio reminder of Korganizer?
08:07<client>i have a m3u file listed and it did not open.... but a mp3 worked fine
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08:12<chealer>client: ask #debian-kde
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08:22<themill>dpkg: tell MTristan about away
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08:39<altres>hi
08:40<altres>somebody speak spanish?
08:40<altres>I need help to install debian
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08:41<mordy>!es
08:41<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:42<altres>gracias
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08:49<DawnLight>shalom
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08:53<DawnLight>can anyone please help with http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/07/msg00931.html
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09:03<mordy>ahalan
09:04<mordy>hmm...i don't see anything in the link
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09:05<qq_>ahalan mordy (ahalan = bonjour ? )
09:05<mordy>pretty much, qq_
09:05<qq_>nice
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09:06<mordy>but i think sabah al kheir is more like bonjour - which means good morning or good day
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09:07<mordy>DawnLight - i don't see which thread you're referring to in the link you posted
09:08<mordy>oh, now i see it - wonder why it didn't work the first time
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09:09<ali3n0>hi guys. problem rsyncing a mounted win2k samba share: when I try to sync it on a local directory I get those errors: "rsync warning: some files vanished before they could be transferred"
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09:10<ali3n0>I'm on Etch, using hand compiled rsync version 3.0.3 and samba stable from atp
09:10<ali3n0>apt
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09:12<themill>ali3n0: rsync 3.0.2 is on backports.org already
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09:12<themill>but that rsync error comes when the files have been deleted from the source disk before they are actually copied across
09:13<ali3n0>errors comes and rsync exits
09:14<volt>Hi, I'm sorry but I have problem with Iceweasel 3, when I delete the historic, It doesn't delete the sites presents in the sites' bar. In oder words It display the sites wich I had already visited if I type the beginning of their name (example : www.g => http//www.google.fr/)
09:14<volt>How to delete that ?
09:14<themill>ali3n0: it's only a warning not an error. and rsync should have copied everything else.
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09:15<ali3n0>nah, it says warning but it exits at less than half of the job
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10:05<Guest932>hallo word
10:06<Guest932>wat is news
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10:21<Baggy2>Okay guys, I've got a real nut here. How can the following: "arm-elf-g++ -E -W -g -O0 -fexceptions -finline-functions -D_DEBUG -D_THREAD_SAFE -D_LIB -D_MBCS -fpack-struct=4 -I../MyLib -L../MyLib/Debug main.o Starter.o -o MyOutput -lrt -lpthread -lm -lMyDebugLib" produce "linker input file unused since linking not done"??
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10:23<Baggy2>as you can see, I have added -o MyOutput in there...
10:24<stevecotton>is MyOutput a properly linked executable?
10:24<stevecotton>(is gcc producing what you expect)?
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10:25<Baggy2>stevecotton: gcc is currently not producing anything but those stupid messages :(
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10:26<Baggy2>MyOutput is never produced, to use your words..
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10:26<Baggy2>I've never had this problem before, using other compilers
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10:28<stevecotton>what's the first error message it produces? The one about the linker seems reasonable, if it isn't getting as far as linking.
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10:28<StreetAge>Çäðàñòâóéòå!Çäåñü åñòü êòî-íèáóäü èç Ðîññèè?))
10:29<themill>!ru
10:29<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
10:29<StreetAge>Hi all!
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10:30<Baggy2>stevecotton: It compiles all the object files and libraries, but at link time it only prints messages like: "arm-elf-g++: main.o: linker input file unused since linking not done" for all files that are supposed to get linked
10:31<Baggy2>stevecotton: nothing else get printed
10:31<Baggy2>s
10:31<ooter>Baggy2: Did you see this? http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/1999-12n/msg00353.html
10:31<StreetAge>Enybody can help me with select Linux?I want have some game servers but I need Linux with normal interface...
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10:33<Baggy2>ooter: yes, I actually did.. but in my case I specify -o MyOutput
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10:33<Baggy2>It works if I switch to the g++ compiler..
10:35<kadox>I'v got a guestion, on one of my computers thats running debian, I get this error at startup "modprobe: FATAL: Error running install command for binfmt_0000" is there anything I can do about this, exept reinstalling debian?
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10:37<stevecotton>kadox - do you want the binfmt_0000 module? It's probably listed in /etc/modules
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10:39<CosmicRay>kadox: that is probably harmless, and I would not suggest a reinstall
10:39<CosmicRay>kadox: you should almost never need to reinstall debian
10:39<kadox>stevecotton - no I don't want it, dont even know what it does, the one I can find is binfmt_-0064 binfmt-aout in modules.conf
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10:40<kadox>CosmicRay - ahh ok, but the computer is stuck at that msg at bootup, it just scrolls that msg al the time
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10:40<CosmicRay>oh now that is bad.
10:41<kadox>stevecotton: it's nothing about binfmt in modules only
10:41<kadox>CosmicRay - heh Yeah I know, I have started the computer with the debian install cd and run rescue mode, so I can acess everything on it
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10:44<kadox>something else I can do?
10:45<kadox>even tho I comment out the line in modules.conf with binfmt_0064 this msg still apear
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10:46<stevecotton>grep -r binfmt /etc
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10:47<kadox>grep -r don't work
10:47<kadox>invalid option
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10:49<stevecotton>works on mine (recursive search), didn't realise it was new :(
10:49<kadox>ohh ok well maybe something with the rescue mode
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10:51<stevecotton>I can only find binfmt_misc on my machine, not binfmt_<numbers>
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10:51<kadox>ok, well I don't even know what binfmt is
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10:52*krlos is away: Estoy ocupado
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10:53<themill>dpkg: tell krlos about away
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10:54<krlos>themill, i just disable away
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10:54<themill>thanks
10:54<krlos>sorry
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11:09<kadox>any other idés?
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11:13<EmleyMoor>When exactly does the freeze begin?
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11:16<themill>EmleyMoor: some of it was a few weeks ago, some more later this week. It's a gradual process. See the debian-devel-announce archives for the freeze process for lenny.
11:17<kadox>EmleyMoor: at startup after somthing with startif xfs filsystem, then this starts to scroool
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11:21<mordy>make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop. - does this mean i need headers?
11:22<petemc>yes
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11:23<mordy>hehe, i'm following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=736977 this now - pretty shady, but it's something at least
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11:24<mordy>was stuck yesterday without any internet - stupid ISP
11:24<mordy>hehe
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11:35<enouf>mordy: i know you're a newcomer - please wait more than 1 minute in between posting the same question on freenode as you do here ;-) (basically simultaneous posting across multiple channels is frowned upon) .. and i know .. there's no good time limit for me to tell you, but 5 minutes sounds atleast feasable, if not longer ;-)
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11:36<DawnLight>fjp: hi. i am using aptitude with things like aptitude install openoffice.org/etch-backports+M
11:36<mordy>hehe, sorry
11:38<mordy>either way, i now have a different 'problem'
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11:39<mordy>but enouf, in respect to your question, i'd say that a time limit shouldn't be the determining factor, but rather how many posts have passed
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11:41<mordy>enouf, for example, 40 lines had passed between my question there and receiving a response here
11:41<mordy>there*
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11:42<enouf>mordy: well, i can agree that multiple lines fudge the details - but all i see is the posting Time .. and they were 1 minute apart
11:43<enouf>that means, you asked there 1st, waitied one minute, then asked here
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11:44<Roomer>hi there.
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11:44<mordy>enouf - either way if i don't get this figured out, i won't be having much access to either room or the internet in general ;)
11:45<enouf>mordy: yes yes .. i know . .everything is a "tragedy" :-P
11:45<themill>!mordy
11:45<dpkg>it has been said that mordy is an idiot
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11:45<mordy>i told him that
11:46<GhostlyDeath|Laptop>Have I mooed today?
11:46<enouf>erm, that's not nice IMHO
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11:46<mordy>hehe, i was playing around with the bot
11:46<themill>!factinfo mordy
11:46<dpkg>mordy -- created by mordy <n=mordy@bzq-79-178-222-247.red.bezeqint.net> 21h 33m 35s ago; it has been requested 7 times, last by themill, 50s ago.
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11:46<Roomer>I try to figure out why my gigabit ehernet is not working. i have two pc's with ethernet nic's connected to a gigabit switch. The switch says that the pc's have gigabit link and ethtool says on both pc's that the choosen speed is gigabit.
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11:47<themill>mordy: we noticed....
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11:47<mordy>lol themill
11:47<mordy>i also added a useful factoid, but i forgot what i called it
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11:48<Roomer>when i scp, i get 11Mb/s. Can anybody tell me where i can look for a mistake/error ?
11:48<themill>!can't read iso from usb
11:48<dpkg>i heard can't read iso from usb is when the debian installer is reading your target disk as the USB stick, usually due to some abnormal parition. backup the data to your USB stick (if you need data on the disk) by mount the target disk in busybox. Then dd if=/dev/zero of=<local HDD> and viola! it should work
11:48<themill>mordy: that one ^^
11:48<mordy>hehe, where do i find that stuff
11:48<themill>!dpkgbot
11:48<dpkg>Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>
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11:52<enouf>mordy: yeah, in general, you should wait a while before trying to create/modify the bot factoids - use the bot as you like to help out .. but .. well, you see what happens? ;-)
11:53<mordy>hehe, i use him for entertainment as well
11:53<mordy>:(
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11:53<enouf>mordy: well, that's mostly stupid, be we are are guilty on occassion
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11:54<enouf>s/are are / all are
11:54<mordy>no exploiting the bot?
11:54<enouf>you try, and you'll be banned
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11:54<enouf>for good reason .. our bot is very precious to us .. helps TONS!
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11:55<enouf>it's not ours, but still - we care for it as if it is
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11:55<mordy>Church of Our Bot Dpkg the Savior?
11:55<enouf>mordy: yes, we worship the almighty bot! .. you see nanotech is upon us - get with the program :-P
11:56<mordy>!i worship you
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11:56<enouf>mordy: now, that said -- why don't you try some illegal scriptkiddiez warez elsewhere ;-)
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11:57<mordy>huh?
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11:58<mordy>well, i guess i know what those mean, but how does that relate to me?
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11:59<argonel>i found an rss feed for debian-devel-changes, not hosted by debian though
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12:10<pbn>Hi there, I've got a major problem when starting VMware Server 1.05 on Debian lenny: http://paste.debian.net/12211/ ... I can't even find out what package I must file a bug report for... any idea ?
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12:19<TheDanny>Hello. I'm trying to install lenny on a ppc g4 without an optical drive and any other OS installed. I have a PC available but no dvdburner. I'd like to place a lenny installation on a slave drive inside my current pc (windows), then take that hdd, install it as a slave inside the ppc g4, and install lenny from it to the g4's main hdd. Can anyone help me get started?
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12:20<stevecotton>Not working at all, or working slow?
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12:20<stevecotton>sorry - responding to old posts
12:20<TheDanny>(Is this what I'm looking for? http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/hd-media/)
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12:21<mordy>TheDanny, you know how to work with syslinux?
12:21<TheDanny>No I sure don't- I'm pretty rusty and trying to get back into linux after a 10-year hiatus :)
12:22<mordy>the process is a fuzzy in my head from a windows installation, but first you'd need to make the disk bootable, then install syslinux on it as the bootloader, then edit syslinux.cfg to point it to the kernel
12:22<TheDanny>From what I understand, it is a hardware (open firmware maybe?) limitation that an apple mirrored doors g4 cannot boot from usb, only firewire - so installing off a usb stick isnt an option
12:22<TheDanny>unless someone can tell me otherwise
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12:22<mordy>well, if the bios doesn't support booting from USB then it can't boot from USB
12:23<TheDanny>+installing off usb 1.0 would suck
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12:23<mordy>thedanny - it's not much slower than installing from a CD on a laptop
12:23<TheDanny>ok I will look into syslinux then
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12:24<mordy>TheDanny, or you can simply boot via PXE
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12:24<TheDanny>I'm not sure how to do that
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12:24<mordy>TheDanny - it's cooler and less 'messy' in my opinion - but then you'd need to do a netinstall. do you want to load the installation files directly from the installation medium or do a netinstall?
12:25<mordy>TheDanny, use tftpd32 on windows
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12:25<TheDanny>I was planning on doing a netinstall off the HDD
12:25<mordy>TheDanny, if doing a netinstall, then you may as well use PXE
12:25<TheDanny>i want a clean install on the main HDD inside the g4. installing from a temp slave drive should do that
12:25<path>how nice is amd64 port :-)
12:26<TheDanny>okay- I'd rather do a pxe netinstall, yes.
12:26<mordy>saves you the trouble of dealing with screws and cables :D
12:26<TheDanny>I already have a tftp server on my windows machine
12:26<TheDanny>but I've never netbooted a g4 before.
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12:27<mordy>TheDanny - then browse to here...
12:27<mordy>one sec..
12:27<TheDanny>thanks- I appreciate the help
12:27<TheDanny>I'm happy to read docs, but it's hard to figure out which ones to read...
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12:27<TheDanny>I feel out of my element
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12:27<qq_>TheDanny: not sure but maybe first partition that hdd with macos first
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12:28<mordy>wtf?
12:28<qq_>net split
12:28<mordy>qq_ more like net spit
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12:29<mordy>TheDanny, all installations are pretty much similar in respect to syslinux
12:29<mordy>of course if you're booting from PXE, you'd want pxelinux - but that's just syslinux pxe version
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12:30<mordy>TheDanny, i guess "yaboot" is the same as pxelinux - http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot/
12:31<mordy>just download all those files to your tftp root - and direct your tftp server to boot from "yaboot"
12:31<TheDanny>I thought yaboot was just a ppc bootloader for new world macs?
12:31<mordy>maybe it replaces pxelinux - i don't know much about macs
12:32<TheDanny>Sorry you lost me - why would I tell my tftp server to boot from somewhere?
12:32<TheDanny>i thought the tftp server is an daemon running on my windows pc
12:33<mordy>i don't know which server you use. i've used tftpd32 - gives you an option which file is the bootloader
12:33<mordy>or which file you want to load first
12:33<TheDanny>ah, I use somethign else- I thought all tftp's had the same functionality
12:33<TheDanny>ill get tftpd32 then
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12:34<mordy>functionality is pretty similar - though
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12:34<mordy>you may want to look at this directory too http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ - yes, i know it's for amd64 - but it's a comparison of the netboot components
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12:35<TheDanny>ok
12:35<qq_>TheDanny: just join #debianppc for specific questions
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12:36<TheDanny>sorry- I thought this would have been more general- and thanks for the help so far.
12:36<mordy>qq_ besides, he needs to setup the tftp server on his windows box as well
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12:36<TheDanny>I've got tftpd32 and it seems very simple- and I'm not seeing an option anywhere to specify a "boot directory" or "boot file"
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12:37<mordy>it should be in the dchp tab, TheDanny
12:37<TheDanny>ah - got it - wow.
12:37<qq_>TheDanny: not sure but maybe first partition that hdd with macOS first
12:38<mordy>qq_, first let him get the tftp server working and load the installer
12:38<TheDanny>I don't have macos unfortunately.
12:38<TheDanny>I don't have a lot of thigns I wish I had (like a cd burner!)
12:38<mordy>then he can worry about what should happen to the target disk
12:39<mordy>and download all the things here to your tftp root directory (you can specify that in tftpd32 by the "browse" button)
12:39<TheDanny>can I keep asking questions or should I move it to #debianppc ?
12:39<TheDanny>I don't want to bother any of you
12:39<mordy>hehe, you can ask
12:40<mordy>although i'm not one of the Holy Elders of this place
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12:41<qq_>TheDanny: w/o partitioning from macOS your hard won't boot any OS on a mac machine
12:41<mordy>TheDanny, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s06.html.en - read 4.6.4
12:42<TheDanny>I'm sorry if I seem stupid - but most of the FAQs and how-to's are written assuming I already have a linux system working, not windows.
12:42<mordy>TheDanny - yes - but that section isn't focused on linux. but yes, it's true
12:42<TheDanny>qq_: is macos a factor in any way here? I don't have any functioning macs , and I do not have any mac os cd's
12:42<TheDanny>I have g4's that I know work, with nothing installed on them.
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12:43<qq_>TheDanny: for sure ask bette #debianppc
12:43<qq_> better*
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12:44<mordy>well, there are two main stages in installation (1) getting the installer to boot and load, and (2) to get the installer to actually give you an OS on your machine
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12:45<TheDanny>is not being able to write to a unix file system on my windows machine going to be an issue here?
12:45<TheDanny>this seems so simple yet so confusing to me
12:45<mordy>TheDanny, i didn't ahve any problems with it
12:45<mordy>TheDanny, just read that specific sub-section in the link
12:45<TheDanny>Is there a step by step guide for this? I've found a few, but they all assume I have a linux machine of my own, not windows.
12:45<TheDanny>ok
12:46<mordy>TheDanny, IIRC the installation via windows is very simple. just copy the files to the tftp root directory and then it will boot from it. configure tftpd32 to boot from "yaboot-net", i guess
12:46<mordy>err.. i mean "yaboot"
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12:48<TheDanny>do i need the contents from /gtk/ ?
12:48<mordy>TheDanny, i don't think so - it's just the graphical installer
12:49<mordy>TheDanny, just look in yaboot.conf and see what it does :D
12:50<TheDanny>I am following that document right now
12:50<TheDanny>thanks !
12:51<qq_>TheDanny: Your *first* question must be : if w/o partitioning from macOS your hard will boot linux on a mac machine ?
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12:52<TheDanny>why do you keep mentioning Mac OS?
12:52<qq_>TheDanny: if not your're stuck !
12:52<TheDanny>oh I see what you mean
12:53<TheDanny>And yes, the mac doesnt need some kind of wacky hdd format
12:53<TheDanny>it's just a power pc
12:53<mordy>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/apcs05.html.en#id2549652
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12:53<TheDanny>Actually yeah you're right..
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12:53<TheDanny>wow, why didnt they mention that in the other faq
12:53<qq_>TheDanny: sure he does
12:53<TheDanny>who's even keeps oldworld macs around these days
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12:54<qq_>me
12:54<TheDanny>hold on...i have like 10 things open all telling me how to do the same thing
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12:55<mordy>TheDanny, that's usually what google does :(
12:55<TheDanny>google is my only IT mentor.
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12:55<mordy>TheDanny - same here, but sometimes you need something rather rare, and Google simply acts as some kind of closed circuit
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12:56<TheDanny>yes, especially when the top sites always link back to each other
12:56<mordy>or sometimes you just want to speak to a human
12:56<mordy>TheDanny, and then you ask some people here, and they tell you "just google"
12:56<TheDanny>wait, there's humans NOT on the internet who know systems and networking?
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12:56<mordy>hehe
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12:59<mordy>i'm wondering what the saving grace of a mac is anyway though - are they faster?
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13:03<pelmon>hello everybody.
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13:06<pelmon>i have a secondary hard drive formatted to NTFS. if i mount it with "mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2" the i CAN view the data on the drive (watch it, listen to it, read it, etc.). however, i cannot copy the data from the NTFS partition to the ext3 partition that my debian install is on. i get a error message that whatever file i am trying to transfer simply "does not exist". i'm not sure what i overlooked. can anyone see what i am doing wrong here?
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13:08<fxiny>pelmon: running etch ?
13:08<TheDanny>mordy: when it comes to legacy hardware such a ppc g4, the only "better" thing about them is that they were likely built with slighly higher quality control than a comparable machine with off the shelf parts. I used to do authorized service on them and since switching to intel, they're virtually no different.
13:08<pelmon>fxiny: yes
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13:09<mordy>hehe, and they look better ;-p
13:09<TheDanny>They do. You pay for that too.
13:10<fxiny>pelmon: install ntfs-3g from bpo and mount it : mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/xxx /mnt/point -o umask=0,nls=utf8
13:10<mordy>:D
13:10<mordy>i'm using a screenless ultra-portable laptop now from sony
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13:12<TheDanny>I never saw too many random hardware failures outside of HDDs on macs, the way I would with other OEM pc brands. Rather, I'd see entire production series defects - if they released a product line or a production run with a HW issue, I'd see multiple machines in for the exact same reason. On the whole, if you manage to get a mac that doesnt have known production issues in its model, you usually have a very solid machine.
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13:14<TheDanny>apple doesnt like to talk about it when they have a production run-wide defect either. :)
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13:16<icy1>except for the watercooled G5 and G4 who have both thermal problem XP
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13:20<mordy>hehe
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13:20<mordy>best machine i've seen made is the compaq x6000 laptop
13:20<icy1>why?
13:20<mordy>works like a horse - always works smoothly. if only it would be more quiet as well
13:20<mordy>icy1 - also in terms of price
13:21<mordy>icy1 - very cheap in its day
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13:25<qq_>mordy: you're right, about compaq, here is one Pentium III (Katmai) 512 KB cache flags( sse ) clocked at [ 448.069 MHz ] Memory 146.1/250.6MB |gratis, very quiet
13:25<mordy>this one is as noisy as an air conditioner - that's the only drawback
13:26<pelmon>brb
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13:38<pelmon>fxiny: thanks
13:38<cahoot>pm-suspend seems to presume one uses network-manager, how would one do to reenable networking at resume if n-m isn't used. invoke-rc.d networking seems a bit clumsy
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13:40<fxiny> pelmon np
13:40<pelmon>had to grab some packages from testing, but everything is working now
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13:52<pelmon>ext3 vs ext2?
13:53<cahoot>1-1
13:53<pelmon>would ext3 be a better choice?
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13:53<cahoot>ext3 is ext2 + journal
13:54<cahoot>you probably want ext3
13:55<pelmon>ok
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14:09<fxiny>resistance is futile
14:09<fxiny>dpkg rulez
14:09<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
14:09<ooter>dpkg ftw
14:09*dpkg breaks into the front and goes FOR THE WIN
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14:19<mordy>can anyone help me with this gprs modem? dmesg shows everything as fine, and so does lsusb and modprob,e but kppp says "unable to open modem"
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14:21<grummund>hi, i need to route anything to a specific subnet via ppp0. currently ppp0 has netmask 255.255.255.255 and there are no associated routes. can anyone tell me what needs to change please?
14:22<E0x>mordy: look what device node correspont to the modem , and check the permission , maybe the user that you are using for run kppp dont have right over the device
14:22<mordy>E0x - running it from root - and i have it pointed to the correct device
14:24<qq_>try activate the (telephone) line
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14:24<mordy>qq_ would it say the modem is not connected if the signal is bad?
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14:25<mordy>hehe, this works
14:25<qq_>
14:26<E0x>work ?
14:26<E0x>heh
14:26<E0x>nice
14:26<mordy>qq_ i didn't expect a GPRS modem to work like that
14:26<mordy>i thought it would at least tell me something (nor did i expect that in order to get a signal, i'd need to stick this thing outside the window)
14:27<E0x>grummund: you can especif the device in the route command
14:27<E0x>man route
14:27<grummund>E0x: ok, so i need to add a route?
14:27<E0x>you can do something like , route add -net 192.168.1.0/24 dev ppp0
14:27<mordy>hmm... now if onyl i could get "Kandy" to work with this thing
14:28<E0x>grummund: i guest so , what do you think ?
14:28<E0x>kandy is you girlfriend ?
14:28<qq_>
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14:28<mordy>no, her name is vae, actually
14:29<grummund>E0x: i think that's what i need. thanks
14:29<grummund>brb
14:29<E0x>heh ,and i was think that candy with K was uncommon
14:30<mordy>hehe, it's just some kde program
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14:30<mordy>supposed to be able to send/receive SMS messages. now if there was only something like that for voice - that would be cool
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14:30<E0x>i prefer my cellphone
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14:32<qq_>mordy: asterisk
14:33<mordy>qq_ meh, i looked into that - i'm looking for integration wiht my cellphone, not running an enitre OS
14:33<mordy>i think thats what asterisk is - an OS?
14:33<qq_>no
14:33<astronut>in hdparm -I, does a starred DMA mode mean it's in use
14:33<astronut>?
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14:33<qq_>mordy: just some packages
14:34<qq_>apt-cache search voice
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14:38<pelmon>i'm viewing a directory using konqueror. i can see the thumbnails for pictures, but not for small video files ( <10MB). is this a codec issue?
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14:40<astronut>is there a good way other than hdparm to check if something's useing DMA
14:40<astronut>!dma
14:40<dpkg>dma is, like, (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_memory_access
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14:41<astronut>!check dma
14:41<astronut>meh
14:41<cahoot>tried dmesg | grep -i dma?
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14:44<dennis>hello
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14:44<bighornram>I'm having problems with gstreamer plugin bad and really-bad conflicting.
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14:45<simeon>can anyone help me with a mounting issue?
14:45<simeon>it comes from an error in mount
14:45<simeon>a bug I think
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14:49<pelmon>hey. what's the current kernel version?
14:49<pelmon>stable
14:49<Kevin1>Newsense: are you there?
14:49<weasel>pelmon: google.
14:50<path_>.18 pelmon
14:50<valdyn>!tell simeon -about ask
14:51<path_>http://debian.pastebin.com/m2b3aa7c7
14:51<path_>whats wrong there ?
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14:51<path_>I've looked up on google but without any solution
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14:51<valdyn>astronut: why would you need anything but hdparm?
14:51<pelmon>well, i'm getting an debug message saying i might need to update my kernel to 2.6.20...
14:51<pelmon>would that be testing?
14:51<valdyn>!tell pelmon -about ask
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14:52<Kevin1>I've uninstalled apache2, but still have apache2 listed in sysv-rc-conf. How do I remove it or update the startup list
14:52<weasel>have you removed it or purged it?
14:52<kesrut>ndiswrapper is evil ?
14:52<valdyn>Kevin1: purge the package that supplied that file
14:52<valdyn>Kevin1: file being /etc/init.d/apache2
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14:52<Kevin1>I did apt-get remove apache2 --purge
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14:53<simeon>use wajig to purge completely
14:53<valdyn>Kevin1: yes, i knew that
14:53<simeon>+deborphaner
14:53<Kevin1>valdyn, Well so what do I need to do?
14:53<mordy>very off-topic question here, but does anyone know approximately the intialization commands for a GPRS modem?
14:53<valdyn>Kevin1: you need to purge the package that provided /etc/init.d/apache2
14:53<valdyn>!tell Kevin1 -about search
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14:54<weasel>mordy: they probably talk hayes, don't they?
14:54<mordy>yes
14:54<Kevin1>vadlyn, I'm kind of new in linux so don't really now what do do. I've got deborphan installed
14:54<weasel>AT
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14:54<mordy>yeah, it's AT something
14:54<valdyn>Kevin1: deborphan is useless for this
14:54<simeon>Can anyone help me with an issue - I want to mount a partition to a permanent mount point. Sounds simple. Not if the partition belongs to an external HDD
14:54<valdyn>Kevin1: you need to ask which part you do not understand
14:54<mordy>i guess it's provider-specific, but i'm not sure -
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14:55<simeon>adding an entry to fstab caused a lot of complications
14:55<Kevin1>vadlyn, I don't understand how I remove the package that provided /etc/init.d/apache2
14:55<Kevin1>And how I know what pacakge
14:55<Kevin1>package*
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14:55<valdyn>Kevin1: dpkg told you
14:56<valdyn>Kevin1: but ill condense that for you: "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/apache2"
14:56<Kevin1>Didn't get the dpkg messege
14:56<valdyn>!tell Kevin1 -about search
14:56<valdyn>!test
14:56<dpkg>Test Failed.
14:56<Kevin1>Ah now I got it
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14:57<Kevin1>Valdyn, I got this when I did that command: apache2.2-common: /etc/init.d/apache2
14:57<scretch>how can i install package.run plz?
14:57<Kevin1>Valdyn, shall I do apt-get remove apacke2.2-common --purge
14:57<valdyn>Kevin1: thats one way, yes
14:57<Kevin1>valdyn, What's the other?
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14:58<mordy>how do i establish a symbolic link between commands? i want "ifup wlan0" to execute /.....wlan0up (driver issues)
14:58<valdyn>Kevin1: there alot of ways because theres alot of package management tools for debian, but they do basically the same thing
14:59<valdyn>Kevin1: "aptitude purge apache2.2-common" is about the same thing
14:59<valdyn>mordy: man interfaces
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15:02<mordy>hehe, i found something
15:03<Kevin1>valdyn, okey thanks :)
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15:05<AlteKiet>Hi all, how can I log off from an X session from a (ssh) terminal session? thanks
15:05<bighornram>when gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad is installed it is described as containing bad plugins, but rhythmbox complains that bad plugin is not installed and when I try to install bad it conflicts with really-bad. What is the deal with these?
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15:06<Kevin1>Valdyn, I got 3 dpkg messeges told me that the catalogs /var/log/apache2 , /etc/apache2/mods-available and /etc/apache2 wasn't empty so it didn't get removed. Shall I remove the folders manually?
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15:08<stevecotton>bighornram - which distro is the -really-bad set in? I can't find it in unstable.
15:08<bighornram>lenny
15:09<qq_> lenny is not unstable
15:09<bighornram>i thought you asked where it is?
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15:09<stevecotton>thanks bighornram.
15:10<stevecotton>I thought you might have something from multimedia or ubuntu.
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15:10<bighornram>is from multimedia in lenny
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15:11<valdyn>Kevin1: yes, you can do that
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15:13<bighornram>with really-bad installed rhythmbox allows selection of m4a for default format but won't allow importing/playing of m4a files until only bad is installed.
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15:13<bighornram>at which time you can't select m4a as the default format.
15:14<bighornram>:P
15:14<stevecotton>Is it in Lenny itself, or is it the Lenny version of the package supplied by the unofficial debian-multimedia repository?
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15:14<bighornram>I don't thing really bad is available from lenny itself.
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15:15<mordy>hehe, 1mbit/s isn't bad for a 3G modem
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15:20<AlteKiet>Hi all, how can I log off from an X session while using a (ssh) terminal session from another machine? thanks
15:20<bighornram>can I install bad and really-bad with --force-depends?
15:20<stevecotton>debian-multimedia's website says he's working on the Lenny transition of some of the packages; and there's a place to report bugs at the bottom
15:21<bighornram>or ignore-depends?
15:21<bighornram>stevecotton: ;) I'll report this to him thanks.
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15:27<scretch>how can i install package.run pls???
15:27<david-e>I had the brilliant idea to format my boot partition: how can I repair it so that next reboot everything will be fine (links with instructions would be much appreciated)
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15:35<valdyn>AlteKiet: every X session has one program, quitting which will shutdown the X session
15:35<valdyn>AlteKiet: thats gnome-session for gnome
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15:42<renan>boa tarde, alguém conhece algum banco de dados que seja portável para ir junto com as minhas aplicações sem a necessidade de o cliente ter istalado?
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15:43<curious_>is there a way to generate an rss feed from an apt source repository?
15:43<noflash>!br
15:43<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:43<Kevin1>Does anyone know why I see apache in my startup list even when I've deleted apache2 and the other packages? I write sysv-rc-conf and still se it there?
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15:53<mordy>how can i mount my memory stick? i don't see it show up in fdisk?
15:53<mordy>(sony memory stick, btw)
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15:55<svend>mordy: You can see the device name by running 'dmesg' after you plug it in.
15:56<mordy>svend: "tifm0"? mount /dev/tifm0 then?
15:56<svend>That doesn't look right.
15:57<svend>USB drives have always shown up as /dev/sdX on my systems.
15:57<mordy>it's not usb - it's built it
15:57<mordy>n
15:57<curious_>how does http://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/newpkg?format=rss generate the rss feed?
15:57<curious_>I'm trying to build something like it for another project
15:57<mordy>lsusb - shows up there
15:58<svend>The port is built in, but the internal interface is probably USB.
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15:59<mordy>svend - doesn't show up on lsusb - buti get something like "SMBus" on lspci - which is listed among other flash controllers - so i gather it's that - since i can't think what else it would be
16:00<svend>If you eject and reinsert the memory stick, does anything like [sdX], where X is a-z, show up?
16:00<svend>In the dmesg output?
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16:01<mordy>svend - nothing of the sort - all i see is tifm0 and tifm_core
16:02<mordy>i gather that the ti in tifm is "texas instruments"
16:02<svend>Hmm..I think those are kernel modules, not /dev device names.
16:02<svend>mordy: What model is your computer?
16:02<mordy>ls /dev/sd*?
16:03<mordy>it's a sony laptop vgn-tx750
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16:03<mordy>apparently it's not a common model, i've googled it for other things
16:06<mordy>svend, there's no /dev/sd* anywhere - maybe there's something else that it's listed under, but i can't think what
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16:07<Ogun>tifm0 should be a SD-card reader, as far as I can tell.
16:08<svend>Are there any /dev/mmc* devices?
16:08<mordy>nope
16:09<svend>Can you paste the new lines that show up in the dmesg output into pastebin.com?
16:09<mordy>svend - ok
16:10<Ogun>Seems to be buggy: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg926281.html
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16:12<mordy>svend - dmesg, lspci -v and /dev http://paste.debian.net/12660/
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16:13<mordy>(the multiple listings of inserting and removing the card is to be expected, as that's what i did)
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16:14<svend>mordy: Are the mmc* modules loaded? (lsmod | grep mmc)
16:14<mordy>yup
16:14<svend>mmc_core and mmc_block?
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16:15<mordy>err.. wait, .doh. no return
16:15<mordy>i get confused between modprobe and lsmod
16:15<mordy>but lsmod |grep mmc* gives me bluetooth modules 8-|
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16:16<svend>Try loading them: modprobe -a mmc_core mmc_block
16:17<mordy>ok, they're loaded, but same dmesg output when removing/inserting the card
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16:19<svend>I'm out of ideas
16:19<mordy>hehe :(
16:19<mordy>let me see if i can find anything more on google
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16:21<mordy>svend - http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.laptop/browse_thread/thread/84085d5e103b3c14
16:21<mordy>but i'm using that kernel :(
16:22<mordy>gah, modprobe tifm_ms doesn't complain
16:23<svend>tifm_ms wasn't loading automatically?
16:23<mordy>let me try it now
16:24<mordy>i don't know if it was loading or not - but it's still using the tifm_core for the card
16:24<mordy>or maybe tifm0 is the location?
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16:28<svend>According to http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Sony_VGN-FE890, an third-party module is needed to get the card reader working.
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16:30<svend>And something in German: http://tuxmobil.de/sony_vgn_ar61zu_debian_linux_installation.html#ToC13
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16:32<mordy>how do i use this svn thing?
16:33-!-bcochofel [~bcochofel@195.23.114.202] has joined #debian
16:33<svend>Install subversion
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16:36<mordy>those servers are mighty slow
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16:37<mordy>gah, i wonder if there's a verbose option 8-| too late
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16:46<uriel_>how do i change an MP3 file to a wav file?
16:46<uriel_>any ideas?
16:47<amphi>mpg123 -w foo.wav foo.mp3
16:48<uriel_>huh?
16:48<noflash>uriel_, my idea would be debian.org and look in the package list for something in the sound section that would do that job.
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16:48<uriel_>thnx
16:48<amphi>uriel_: the command I gave you does what you want
16:48<uriel_>amphi, where do i type that
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16:49<uriel_>amphi, ?
16:49*mordy listens to the newest hits of Foo
16:49<amphi>uriel_: in a term
16:49<uriel_>amphi, elaborate plz?
16:50<amphi>what is not clear?
16:50<uriel_>amphi, where do i type this phraze or term?
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16:50<uriel_>amphi where do i click
16:51<amphi>I have no idea
16:51<mordy>!click
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16:51<uriel_>amphi um ok
16:52<mordy>uriel, just type it in your terminal (and if you don't know what a terminal, then i ask you what OS you're using) and if you don't have mpg123, apt install mpg123
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16:52<gizmokaka>I bought a new external hard drive that connects to pc with usb
16:52<gizmokaka>i can't find my drive in order to mount it
16:52<mordy>mazel tov
16:52<mordy>oh
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16:53<mordy>gizmokaka: ls /dev/sd*
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16:54<gizmokaka>http://pastebin.com/m6e81c318
16:54<gizmokaka>my dmesg
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16:54<gizmokaka>ls /dev/sd* shows all of my system disk partitions
16:55<gizmokaka>mordy, those that show on fdisk
16:55<mordy>did you try without a hub?
16:56<mordy>you plugged it into a hub, right?
16:56<Kevin1>Why does apache2 still being listed in my sysv-rc-conf (startup list) when I've removed it :S?
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16:57<gizmokaka>yeh plugged to a hub
16:57<gizmokaka>but, everything else work with the hub
16:57<mordy>gizmokaka, it's not reading the drive, in fact - it's not reading anything
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16:58<mordy>gizmokaka - the problem seems to be on the hardware end - otherwise you'd at least get an identified. what does lsusb tell you?
16:58<AzaTht>hmm, after I upgraded fglrx, xscreensaver freezes when I move my mouse
16:58<gizmokaka>nothing fancy
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16:59<mordy>lsusb -v?
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16:59<gizmokaka>http://pastebin.com/m6e09549b
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17:00<mordy>gizmokaka - the device does not exist. it's not receiving enough power. you should try plugging it in elsewhere
17:00<mordy>you're probably using a usb enclosure for a real HDD, rather than a flash disk -right?
17:00<gizmokaka>yep so it's plugged into the mobo now
17:00<Kevin1>Why does apache2 still being listed in my sysv-rc-conf (startup list) when I've removed it :S? Can anyone help me with that
17:00<gizmokaka>still isn't recognized as far as i see
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17:00<gizmokaka>mordy, i don't know
17:00<AzaTht>Kevin1: did you purge the package?
17:01<gizmokaka>haven't a clew what you just said :)
17:01<mordy>gizmokaka - does the HDD receive power from elsewhere?
17:01<gizmokaka>nope
17:01<gizmokaka>it can't
17:01<gizmokaka>it's a usb drive
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17:02<mordy>gizmokaka - is it flash? is it a disk-on-key? or an enclosure?
17:02<gizmokaka>it's not flash, it's real hard drive with enclosure
17:02<mordy>qashia o flash?
17:02<mordy>oh
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17:03<gizmokaka>it's the WD passport
17:03<Kevin1>AzaTht: I did apt-get remove apache2 --purge and after that dpkg -S /etc/init.D/apache2, removed the other packages aswell and manually deleted /var/log/apache2, /etc/apache2
17:04<mordy>gizmokaka - a good external USB enclosure should have either *two* usb plugs, or an external power source. otherwise it may not work
17:04<mordy>the only thing i could recommend is to unplug all other USB devices
17:04<mordy>gizmokaka - especially if you're using a laptop - since that means reduced power at times
17:05<gizmokaka>mordy, i am on a very strong pc
17:05<gizmokaka>almost no usb's attached
17:05<pelmon>i have 2 separate questions. (1) i've been using kpdf. it does the job but i'd prefer an application that uses it's own window instead of just diplaying a pdf file in konqueror. any suggestions? and (2) i need to test the RAM on a machine that has no operating system. i'm thinking along the lines of a livecd or a bootfloppy that could acomplish this task.
17:05<gizmokaka>isn't the WD passport good?
17:06<mordy>gizmokaka - i've never used it. i have an external USB enclosure that comes with a 2-headed cable, if i use a regular cable it refuses to work
17:06<mordy>let me google it, but i think it's a power problem
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17:06<gizmokaka>thanks man
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17:06<AzaTht>Kevin1: I don't have sysv-rc-conf installed, so I never noticed such problem
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17:07<Kevin1>AzaTht: Can I check my startup list in a other way then sysv-rc-conf
17:08<mordy>gizmokaka - as i said - but look here http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=125462
17:08<mordy>(first google result for WD passport linux)
17:08<AzaTht>dunno
17:08<thecondor>your welcome!
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17:09<AzaTht>ls -R /etc/rc* perhaps ツ
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17:12<Kevin1>AzaTht, What is the best way to delete packages? So all the depends removes and the main package is gone
17:12<gizmokaka>mordy, shit, such a stupid mistake,
17:12<gizmokaka>it's not compatible with linux
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17:12<mordy>gizmokaka - i don't think it should be "incompatible"
17:13<mordy>gizmokaka - what you can do is get a double-headed USB cable that would give the drive more power
17:13<gizmokaka>on the box i now see it's compatible with windows and mac
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17:13<pelmon>what pdf application do you guys use?
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17:14<gizmokaka>mordy: if it will work on windows it sais the power it gets from usb is fine no?
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17:14<mordy>gizmokaka - it *can* be problematic
17:14<mordy>does it work on windows?
17:14<mordy>i.e. did you try it on windows?
17:15<pelmon>does the debian install cd/dvd give the option to "Test Memory"?
17:16<Kevin1>dpkg: tell kevin1 about LAMP
17:16<gizmokaka>mordy: yes just now,
17:16<gizmokaka>it works like charm. reconized immidiately
17:16<Kevin1>Does anyone know a good site for installing LAMP on debian? updated?
17:17<mordy>and it works?
17:17<gizmokaka>yes i explored it, it run the supplied software from the disk
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17:17<mordy>gizmokaka - weird. what is the file system?
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17:17<mordy>does it have some kind of "security" installed?
17:17<gizmokaka>on the drive?
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17:18<gizmokaka>could be.
17:18<gizmokaka>when i did lsusb -v
17:18<gizmokaka>i saw something related to security
17:18<gizmokaka>let me paste a sec
17:18<mordy>ok
17:20<aigan>Hi. I spent hours looking in manuals and googling... Maby someone here can point me in the right direction?
17:20<aigan>How do i create a dir there all files will have a set group and file permissions. ACL will only provide defaults. ext2 doesn not let you mount it with a set mode and owner like some other filesystems. Must I use samba in order to get files accessable for all users on a computer?
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17:24<gizmokaka>mordy: weird thing, when doing lsusb -v > file.txt
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17:24<gizmokaka>recieved the following output to screen(not into file)
17:24<mordy>hehe, i just copy paste
17:25<gizmokaka>http://pastebin.com/m18fd2499
17:25<gizmokaka>what do you mean you just copy paste?
17:25<mordy>hehe, i just copy/paste from the terminal into the pastebin
17:26<gizmokaka>oh
17:26<gizmokaka>i prefer copying from a file
17:26<gizmokaka>well, see something interesting?
17:26<mordy>gizmokaka - you're doing this as root?
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17:27<gizmokaka>that would be dmesg|tail
17:27<gizmokaka>
17:27<gizmokaka>http://pastebin.com/m58f8329c
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17:30<mordy>hmm... seems like you have one of those drive-locking features turned on. many new drives come like that
17:30<gizmokaka>that's my lsusb -v
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17:30<gizmokaka>http://pastebin.com/m298f8a59
17:30<Kevin1>Does someone know a good site for installing LAMP on debian?
17:30<gizmokaka>what should i do with that? any idea
17:30<gizmokaka>?
17:30<mordy>remove all WD software via windows
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17:31<gizmokaka>and that should be it?
17:31<gizmokaka>i shell try that
17:31<gizmokaka>hoping no warrenty issue
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17:33<mordy>gizmokaka - if it doesn't work, you don't need to return the drive. all WD does anyway is simply pack an external SCSI controller together with a standard HDD. you can get a new HDD
17:33<mordy>err.. new encoluse*
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17:34<mordy>gizmokaka - it shouldn't present itself as a warranty issue if WD lets you disable or remove the software by yourself. but otherwise, i'd still suggest you return it, since it's simply cheaper to get a regular drive and a standard enclosure. works like a charm generally
17:34<gizmokaka>but why should i pay more money? i can simply ask the store to change for something that is compatible
17:34<mordy>but there should be a way to disable it
17:34<mordy>hehe, which store?
17:34<gizmokaka>yep but this drive is small and lite to carry
17:35<gizmokaka>i don't want one of these big boxes to carry around
17:35<keratacon>I want to make a windows partition on a system that is currently all one LVM setup. Can someone point me in the right direction?
17:35<mordy>gizmokaka - so are all drives of that size. it's a 2.5 drive
17:35<mordy>what's the capacity
17:35<gizmokaka>160
17:35<mordy>gizmokaka - sounds like a 2.5 drive
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17:36<gizmokaka>i think it is
17:36<mordy>yeah, i know in this country you can't get anything good though :(
17:36<mordy>not for a decent price at least
17:37<gizmokaka>what do you mean?
17:37<gizmokaka>where are you from?
17:37<gizmokaka>how do you know where am i from ?
17:37<mordy>judging by our IPs, i'm probably not to far from you
17:38<gizmokaka>i think you know more then my IP
17:38<gizmokaka>well were are you from?
17:38<mordy>hehe, how else would i know?
17:38<mordy>how many countries have bezeq as their IP?
17:38<mordy>ISP*
17:38<gizmokaka>LOL
17:38<gizmokaka>oh ISP
17:38<gizmokaka>well mordy is a dad give away also
17:38<gizmokaka>dead
17:38<gizmokaka>:)
17:39<gizmokaka>well dude nice to meet you
17:39<mordy>nice to meet you too. where did you get the enclosure from? any good stores around here?
17:39<gizmokaka>nope
17:39<gizmokaka>but fair
17:39<gizmokaka>bought at K.S.P
17:39<mordy>wheres that?
17:40<gizmokaka>so you suggest i return that and but a seperate disk and enclosure?
17:40<gizmokaka>in petah tikva
17:40<gizmokaka>or other cities
17:40<mordy>i don't know if you can find an external enclosure over there. but it's more worth-while
17:40<gizmokaka>i also don't thing i can
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17:41<mordy>you can probably buy 2.5 drive on ebay for twice the capcity
17:41<gizmokaka>you thing?
17:41<gizmokaka>k
17:41<mordy>and you probably paid about NIS500 or more
17:41<gizmokaka>and do the deliver?
17:41<gizmokaka>nop
17:41<gizmokaka>300
17:41<mordy>oh, not bad
17:42<gizmokaka>yep, but if it won't work it is bad
17:42<gizmokaka>well i will go check the SW reomval and get back to you
17:42<gizmokaka>:)
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17:42<mordy>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152111 - for example. it's newegg, but just to show you the prices of these things
17:42<mordy>ok
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17:45<newsense>what should i add to etc/fstab to mount an ntfs partition with ntfs-3g ? /dev/hda1 mount point /mnt/crap
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17:48<witte>!ntfs-3g
17:48<dpkg>[ntfs-3g] a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g. Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage
17:49<witte>newsense: the last link is for you ;-)
17:49<newsense>thaks just what i needed
17:49<newsense>cant stand mounting manually anymore
17:49<gizmokaka>mordy: well it is much better abroad but i am stuck here :(
17:50<gizmokaka>also, i removed all SW, still can't find it
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17:50<mordy>still doesn't work after removing it?
17:50<gizmokaka>doesn't seem like security problems now
17:50<mordy>:(
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17:51<gizmokaka>well i will go to slip now,
17:51<gizmokaka>sleep
17:51<gizmokaka>i must, i am spelling like shit
17:51<mordy>hehe
17:51<gizmokaka>maybe i will return the product tomorrow
17:51<mordy>it seems quite a few people are having trouble with this by google
17:51<gizmokaka>don't now what to do to make it work. i bet it would have worked on ubuntu
17:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 360] by debhelper
17:52<gizmokaka>yeh saw that
17:52<gizmokaka>now after we spoke on that.
17:52<gizmokaka>it is a recurring broblem seems to be
17:52<gizmokaka>well gnight
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17:53<mordy>return it, and buy a drive + enclosure - or buy the drive in israel and get the enclosure on ebay
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17:53<gizmokaka>thanks for your help
17:53<gizmokaka>they deleiver to israel?
17:53<mordy>sometimes they do. many places are delivering from china anyway, so it really doesn't matter
17:54<gizmokaka>right, will do
17:54<mordy>it's just an enclosure for a 2.5 drive. it's small
17:54<mordy>the one i'm using was bought from ebay 3 years ago. works like a charm
17:54<gizmokaka>yeh and it's 30$ according to newegg
17:54<mordy>should be cheaper on ebay
17:54<gizmokaka>that is important
17:54<mordy>and newegg doesn't deliver international
17:54<gizmokaka>yeh i know that about newegg
17:55<gizmokaka>it's a bummer with them
17:55<gizmokaka>well man thanks a lot, and i am new to debian(loving it though)
17:55<gizmokaka>so i will probably use you more :)
17:55<mordy>hehe, i'm new too. i've just had a lot of disk experiences
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17:56<gizmokaka>well, that is good enough exp for me
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17:56<gizmokaka>most of the problems i encounter are related to mounting
17:56<gizmokaka>don't know why, it's my hardest obstecle
17:56<gizmokaka>obstacle maybe
17:56<mordy>depends what disks you use
17:57<gizmokaka>yep that is true
17:57<gizmokaka>well good night man
17:57<mordy>good night
17:57<gizmokaka>talk to you soon
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17:58<mordy>hehe, apparently i'm an acclaimed expert
17:58*mordy worries
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18:23<pelmon>hey
18:23<pelmon>what would the command apt-get upgrade kdebase do?
18:23<pelmon>upgrade me to the latest version of kde?
18:24<witte>pelmon: that command would be wrong
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18:24<client>korganizer has a audio reminder options that will open a sound file, is there a way to make it open a playlist instead?
18:24<pelmon>witte: how?
18:24<client>i tried a m3u file and it did not work
18:24<witte>pelmon: or you do apt-get update, which will do a save upgrade of all the packages htat you have installed (so it will upgrade kde-base if you already have it)
18:25<witte>pelmon: or you do apt-get install kde-base, which will install the latest version of kde-base (and upgrade if it is already installed)
18:26<witte>client: maybe try in #debian-kde?
18:26<client>thanks witte...
18:26<witte>client: at least if nobody can answer it here
18:26<client>witte, either way, knowing the kde room is good.
18:27<witte>!kde
18:27<dpkg>rumour has it, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>. KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels
18:27-!-shaya [~spotter@dyn-209-2-212-58.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
18:27<witte>there are more (non-debian) channels listed on that last link
18:28<client>witte... do you use gnome?
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18:28<pelmon>can anyone recommend a pdf appliance?
18:29<witte>client: i use windowmaker :-)
18:29<witte>pelmon: evince, xpdf, kpdf...
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18:30<pelmon>this morning there were no updates through apt-get upgrade. now i have many
18:30<amphi>pelmon: epdfview is a light gtk one
18:30<themill>pelmon: if you're using kde, then definitely go with kpdf. It's quite good.
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18:30<witte>pelmon: i use xpdf if i want to quickly scroll through a file and for latex files (the refresh function 'r' is great), but i also use evince (better printing possibilities)
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18:31<pelmon>there is a vulnerability in xpdf. i'd rather avoid using it
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18:31<witte>pelmon: there is?
18:31<witte>pelmon: also with up to date versions?
18:31<client>witte, that sounds like a great gui. hard to set up? worth the trouble?
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18:32<pelmon>not sure. i'll check
18:32<themill>witte: kpdf runs in a "watch file" mode so if you recompile the latex, it automatically refreshes for you
18:32<witte>client: it is very lightweight, apt-get install wmaker wmakerconf
18:32<pelmon>i'd like an application that does not use konqueror to view the file. i'd like it to run in a separate window
18:33<themill>pelmon: kpdf is a standalone viewer
18:33<themill>pelmon: I don't like the embedded viewer stuff either. I've disabled all of it.
18:33<pelmon>... ? why has it been opening in the konqueror?
18:33<witte>client: not that difficult but maybe not really for beginners (it is really different from windows)
18:33<witte>themill: ah thanks, will have a look at that
18:34<pelmon>you are right. if i right click and select open with kpdf it opens in it's own window. that's all i was going for
18:34<witte>themill: see if kpdf does not need too much kde stuff :-)
18:34<pelmon>how did you disable it?
18:34<themill>pelmon: you need to set the preferences for the mime-types to "open" not "preview"
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18:34<themill>pelmon: right click on the file, properties, spanner/wrench icon, embedding, none
18:35<themill>pelmon: there are other ways through kcontrolcentre
18:35<themill>witte: no worries. It's quite a good pdf viewer. Draw a box on the document and copy text, image, save to file... lots of goodness
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18:38<pelmon>themill: that took care of it
18:38<pelmon>thanks
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18:39<themill>np
18:39<amidude>has anyone gotten game sounds to work in blender?
18:41<themill>client: you could probably use a dcop command from korganizer to cause some other player to start playing your playlist.
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18:42<client>themill, you mean use the program option rather then audio?
18:43<Kevin1>Does someone know a good site for installing LAMP on debian?
18:44<Nemoder>!lamp
18:44<dpkg>[lamp] Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/
18:44<witte>Kevin1: there is also something like google
18:45<themill>client: rather than set an audio reminder, set a program reminder which executes dcop amarok clearPlaylist; dcop amarok addmedia yourplaylist ; dcop amarok player play (or something)
18:45<witte>Kevin1: there must be hundreds of sites pointing to what you asked
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18:46<client>thanks themill i'll try that and come back when i can't figure it out
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18:46<themill>client: have a play with these dcop commands from the command line to see what they do. Investigate them using kdcop. Amarok's dcop interface should be well documented.
18:46<themill>gah
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18:46<Kevin1>witte: Not updated sites, just for Debian 3.0 and old client and without configuration
18:46<Kevin1>!lamp
18:46<dpkg>methinks lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/
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18:48<witte>Kevin1: i do not think much has changed concerning installing a lamp on debian
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18:49<witte>http://linux.justinhartman.com/Setting_up_a_LAMP_Server
18:49<witte>Kevin1: even better: http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp?highlight=(lamp)
18:49<themill>Kevin1: /msg dpkg install apache2 ; /msg dpkg install php ; /msg dpkg install mysql
18:50<themill>dpkg: lamp is also Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?)
18:50<dpkg>themill: okay
18:51<Kevin1>witte: Thanks alot :)
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18:52<witte>dpkg, no lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server (or see http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp) or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/
18:52<dpkg>okay, witte
18:52<witte>!lamp
18:52<dpkg>somebody said lamp was Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server (or see http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp) or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/
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18:52<themill>witte: :(
18:52<witte>themill: now your addition is removed
18:52<witte>damn
18:52<themill>dpkg: lamp is also Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?)
18:52<dpkg>okay, themill
18:52<witte>!lamp
18:52<dpkg>from memory, lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server (or see http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp) or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?)
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18:53<witte>themill: ok, now both of us are happy :-)
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18:53<themill>:)
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18:55<witte>themill: the wiki still points to apache, not apache2, should that be changed or added?
18:55<themill>witte: if you've got time, please change that. The apache package was removed from lenny/sid some time ago.
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18:56<themill>witte: Can you also s/php4/php5/ throughout? php4 is also dead in lenny/sid.
18:56<witte>themill: ok, will do it
18:57<witte>themill: are there any other big changes, i think the /etc/apache/httpd.conf stuff must be changed by a2enmod etc as well
18:57<themill>witte: actually the configuration instructions are crap too.
18:57<sander_m>Hello. Quick question: Is Lenny already frozen? If not, when's the exact date that the freeze will take effect?
18:57<themill>snap
18:57<themill>sander_m: bits are frozen.
18:57<witte>sander_m: don't know the exact date, but within the week
18:58<themill>sander_m: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html
18:58<sander_m>themill: I'm working on the final bits of my game gnome-hearts 0.3. I'd like to get it into Lenny. It's much better than 0.2.1 that's currently in Lenny
18:59<sander_m>Anyway, thanks. I guess I better hurry :-)
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19:00<themill>sander_m: If it's uploaded to unstable by next week it might make it, I guess. But these are not things to be rushed... whatever get uploaded has to be maintained for the next 2 to 3 years.
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19:02<sander_m>themill: I don't forsee any problems with that. My current trunk version is pretty well tested. It's not a giant change from 0.2.1. The most important one is a few new Python AI players. The one's in 0.2.1 are easy to beat. The new one's in 0.3 are *hard*, thanks to some very smart AI folk that helped me out :-)
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19:04<witte>themill: is it ok if i largely copy http://linux.justinhartman.com/Setting_up_a_LAMP_Server. Don't have the time and the mood to test a lamp server of my own atm. At first sight it seems quite ok
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19:04<witte>themill: i will point to the site of course
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19:06<themill>witte: yeah, the cc-nv-bysa license allows you to do that. s/apt-get/aptitude/ though :)
19:06<witte>themill: ok
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19:07<tbrock>how do i tell which services i have running
19:08<tbrock>i.e. apache, mysql etc
19:08<themill>lenny status is <reply>Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: freezes end of July. Then it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help.
19:08<themill>gah
19:08<themill>dpkg lenny status is <reply>Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: freezes end of July. Then it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help.
19:08<dpkg>okay, themill
19:09<themill>tbrock: "netstat -pantu" will show you network connections. "ps axf" will show you all processes.
19:09<tbrock>right
19:09<tbrock>but something closer to an rc-status in gentoo
19:09<tbrock>like a summary
19:09<themill>nfc what that does.
19:10<tbrock>say i type rc-status, it will say apache: started, mysql:started, sendmail: stopped
19:10<tbrock>etc
19:10<tbrock>for all rc scripts on the system
19:10<tbrock>is that really gentoo specific
19:11<tbrock>how do you ever know if apache is running, I'm a huge fan of debian for servers and have used it for a long time, but i saw this in gentoo and was curious
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19:11<tbrock>besides saying oh ps axf, theres apache
19:11<themill>tbrock: pgrep apache2?
19:11<tbrock>right but is there a way to see all of the important ones at once
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19:12<tbrock>so it gives you all the proceses related to a given runlevel
19:12<tbrock>one command that shows me all processes in that runlevel
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19:13<themill>!redhat tools
19:13<dpkg>If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; etc
19:13<[machine]>ls /etc/rc<runlevel>.d/S*
19:13<themill>tbrock: ^^ perhaps of relevance?
19:13<tbrock>ok
19:14<qq>sitesummary - Generate site summary of submitting hosts (server part)
19:14<tbrock>i guess, this isn't redhat centric
19:14<tbrock>i got sick of using gentoo (read: recompiling) and went back to debian
19:14<themill>tbrock: I don't know... I'm just looking around to see what I can find
19:14<tbrock>but i guess there are some nice things
19:14<tbrock>so lets say i wanted to see which services were running
19:14<tbrock>besides looking at the output of nmap
19:15<themill>tbrock: as debian moves to dependency based init, this might become more feasible. with sysvinit, it's not really
19:15<tbrock>how would i tell what stuff is up?
19:15<tbrock>ah
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19:15<tbrock>so lets say a sysadmin was like ok i just sat down at this box
19:15<tbrock>what does this computer do for our network
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19:15<tbrock>he couldn't type anything that showed him, ok sshd and apache are running and open for connections
19:16<tbrock>?
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19:17<tbrock>i'm not trying to be a jerk, I was just wondering
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19:18<witte>tbrock: netstat?
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19:18<Kevin1>Okey this is lame, I disabled some security for my main host server, just to see if hackers have been looking for it. Took 8 seconds and someone send me a tuxagent :P
19:20<tbrock>witte thanks
19:21<Nemoder>tbrock: there are monitoring programs for various apps, try apt-cache search monitor
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19:22<tbrock>ok
19:22<tbrock>i wish i could show you what it looks like
19:23<amphi>tbrock: iptraf ?
19:23<Nemoder>the 'hobbit' package looks promising
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19:24<tbrock>ok sounds good
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19:26<tbrock>Nemoder was that directed towards me?
19:27<tbrock>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=127315
19:27<tbrock>my andswer
19:27<Nemoder>tbrock: yea, I was just browsing packages, I haven't used it but it looks like a good tool
19:27<tbrock>answer*
19:27<tbrock>i couldn't find that with apt-cache search
19:28<bizhan>Hi I am new to debian, I just booted my PowerPC platform with Debian, I have installed ATI radeon 9250 on the board, when I type startx I get the following error: /dev/fb0 not found, please help
19:28<Nemoder>tbrock: ah sorry it's in lenny but not etch
19:28<tbrock>lenny is testing now?
19:29<amphi>tbrock: yes
19:30<tbrock>gotcha
19:30<witte>bizhan: can you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
19:30<tbrock>well haven't we all learned alot today
19:31<bizhan>witte: it says xserver-xorg is not installed, do you know where I can get it from please?
19:31<Nemoder>lenny should be going into freezing next week I believe
19:31<witte>!set up x
19:31<dpkg>To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg" , you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, or <install kde>, or <install xfce>, or <install fluxbox>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
19:31<witte>bizhan: ^^
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19:32<tbrock>is there really no solution to this? http://unix.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.unix.shell/2006-08/msg0
19:32<bizhan>witte: thanks, I will try to install them now
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19:32<tbrock>whoops
19:32<tbrock>http://unix.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.unix.shell/2006-08/msg00122.html
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19:34<Nemoder>tbrock: It looks like it was already answered there. If you want to know what is running use ps
19:34<tbrock>ok thanks
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19:35<tbrock>sysvconfig package does the trick
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19:35<tbrock>if anyone wanted to know
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19:39<bizhan>witte: after I typed "aptitude install xorg" it says it can not find any package matched "xorg"?
19:39<gsimmons>bizhan: Sounds like you're running an earlier Debian release. Use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" instead. Also consider upgrading (/msg dpkg sarge->etch).
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19:40<witte>bizhan: can you give the outcome of "cat /etc/version"
19:41<witte>bizhan: cat /etc/debian_version
19:41<witte>sorry
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19:45<bizhan>witte: great it appears I got some menu that i need to provide input, do you know how I can get out of the menu, I need together some info before running the menu?
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19:45<witte>bizhan: i am not sure what you mean, but try if ctrl-alt-f2 does what you want
19:46<bizhan>witte: that is it, Thanks again.
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19:48<chealer>tbrock: in case you didn't realize yet, sysvconfig doesn't do it, despite the description
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19:50<chealer>tbrock: you can't do that in Debian
19:51<Kevin1>What do I write to set a mysql password?
19:52-!-mode/#debian [+l 360] by debhelper
19:52<themill>!mysql initial password
19:52<dpkg>if you've never set a password for mysql before then you can run: /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password 'enter-your-good-new-password-here'; if you have set a password before, ask me about <forgot mysql root password>
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19:54<shilow>can someone help me with a problem?
19:55<shilow>when i try to run movies just rescently totem and mplayer causes my machine to shut down yet my har ddrives still spin and on a hard reboot from switch it wont boot back up and i have to pull my power cord to get it to boot back up
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19:55<shilow>i found something about it for unbuntu but i run debian and the file that it says fixes the problem doesn't exist in my package manager
19:56<bizhan>Witte: I do not know how to configure the mouse interface on the xserver-xfree86 configuration Menu. I am connected to an embedded powerpc through serial cable, there is no keyboard or mouse, any idea? thanks
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19:58<witte>themill: can you check http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp
20:00<witte>bizhan: xserver-xfree86 is quite old (sarge), but I don't know how to configure mouse and keyboard if you don't have one. Can't you just choose the default values?
20:01<bizhan>witte: okay, thanks so much, by the way do you know how I can find out what version of the debian I am running?
20:01<themill>witte: two different mysql passwd approaches are conflated there. You either use "mysql" the the SQL that's there, or just /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password 'enter-your-good-new-password-here'
20:01<witte>bizhan: cat /etc/debian_version
20:01<gef>bizhan, cat /etc/debian_version
20:01<gef>o.o
20:02<dantanna>bizhan: cat /etc/debian_version
20:02<dantanna>jinks!
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20:03<witte>themill: ok, will change that
20:03<themill>witte: touching /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini shouldn't be necessary any more as there is the conf.d mechanism. (leave it though, but perhaps mention conf.d). Same for the apache2.conf... it's better not to touch that and use conf.d.
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20:03<themill>witte: but these are minor things. well done and thanks.
20:04<witte>themill: just copy pasted it from other sites :-)
20:04<themill>:)
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20:06<bizhan>witte: I finished dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, I am using ATI Radeon RV280 card. I still do not see /dev/fb0, what else I am missing? Thanks
20:06<witte>bizhan: does startx work?
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20:07<witte>because i am not sure you need a /dev/fb0 if you have X
20:07<bizhan>witte: no still fails for not finding /dev/fb0 ?
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20:08<bizhan>witte: it also says : no devices detected?
20:08<bizhan>witte: Fatal error: no screen found!
20:08<witte>bizhan: which was the result of cat /etc/debian_version?
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20:08<bizhan>witte: 3.1
20:08<witte>bizhan: that is sarge, which is very old
20:09<witte>bizhan: do you need that version?
20:09<witte>bizhan: otherwise, first try to upgrade to the latest version
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20:10<bizhan>witte: I got this from the vendor that we purchased the board from. I have no issue to upgraded it, I hope I do not have to compile it, if you do not mind what I should do next to upgrade the package? Thanks
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20:10<witte>!sarge->etch
20:11<bizhan>witte: do you know how I can ppc versionof etch?
20:11<witte>!sarge->etch
20:11<witte>dpkg: ping
20:11<dpkg>pong
20:11<witte>dpkg: sarge-etch
20:11<dpkg>witte: I don't know, could you explain it?
20:11<witte>dpkg: sarge->etch
20:11<dpkg>sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> It's now time to put those upgrade plans into action as security support for sarge ends on 31 March 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229).
20:12<witte>!release notes
20:12<dpkg>somebody said release notes was http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes
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20:12<themill>witte: ! sometimes (often?) doesn't work with factoids keys containing -> ... don't ask why.
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20:12<bizhan>witte: sorry I got in middle of something wrong.
20:13<witte>bizhan: it boils down to changing /etc/apt/sources.list, and upgrading in 4-5 steps
20:13<witte>bizhan: the sarge->etch stuff was for you ;-)
20:13<witte>themill: strange thing, i asked dpkg privately, and there it worked
20:13<bizhan>witte: thanks, then the version that I need to upgrade is etch, okay let me do some reading on it thank you so much for your help
20:14<witte>bizhan: no problem
20:14<themill>witte: yeah. dpkg: sarge->etch will work, /msg will work but ! doesn't. Ask don ;)
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20:15<witte>:-)
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20:30<Gui>what i have to do if i get an error when i use make, i used ./configure and don't have any problem.
20:30<Gui>??
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20:31<witte>Gui: depends
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20:33<Gui>i'm trying to install igraph lib
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20:34<Gui>walktrap_graph.cpp: In member function 'long int Graph::memory()':
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20:34<witte>Gui: don't paste all these lines
20:34<Gui>...
20:34<Gui>make: ** [all] Erro 2
20:34<witte>Gui: where did you get it from?
20:34<Gui>sorry,
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20:35<Gui>terminal
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20:35<witte>Gui: yeah, i understand that, but where do you get the igraph stuff
20:35<Gui>sorry
20:35<witte>Gui: what does it do, and is there no debian alternative
20:35<Stumbles>hi, i'd like to run two Debian installations on one disk -- one stable one and one for messing around. Both would share the /home partition. Should I have separate /boot partitions or could they co-exist on the some one?
20:36<Vi^3PP>Stumbles, run it in vbox or vmware instead
20:36<Stumbles>Vi^3PP, is vbox proprietary?
20:36<Vi^3PP>no
20:36<Gui>witte: complex networks study http://cneurocvs.rmki.kfki.hu/igraph/
20:36<Vi^3PP>its in the repos
20:37<Vi^3PP>virtualbox-ose
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20:37<Stumbles>ok, i'll have a look, ta
20:38<Vi^3PP>it just saves on messign with partitions imho
20:38<Vi^3PP>and you can roll back to a snapshot easy if something foobars
20:38<witte>Gui: do you need specifically that program, because graphviz is in debian http://www.graphviz.org
20:38<Vi^3PP>plus it never effects your host
20:39<witte>Gui: and there are debian packages of igraph on the server you pointed to
20:40<witte>put those deb lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list, aptitude update; aptitude install igraph
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20:40<Gui>witte, but i'm using a am64 and de packges are i386, and i can't install then
20:41<witte>Gui: did you include the sources in your sources.list
20:41<witte>specifically the deb-src line
20:41<Gui>witte: yes
20:41<Gui>witte: like they said
20:42<witte>ok, in that case, do the following: apt-get source igraph
20:42<witte>apt-get build-dep igraph
20:42<Gui>witte: ok, i'm downloading in the terminal
20:42<witte>cd igraph<tab> (push tab for tab completion ;-)
20:43<witte>apt-get install devscripts
20:43<witte>debuild -us -uc
20:44<witte>the result should be a package in the directory above the one you are now in
20:44<witte>you can install that using dpkg -i packagename
20:44<witte>if it does not work, paste the output in a pastebin
20:44<witte>!pastebin
20:44<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
20:45<Gui>witte: cd igraph and it shows many things here
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20:46<witte>Gui: did you press the tab button after the igraph
20:47<witte>or choose the one of which you also have a .dsc file
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20:51<Gui>witte: ok now it is working
20:51<Gui>witte: show may things here
20:51<witte>Gui: you installed it?
20:52<witte>ah the debuild
20:52<Lanares>If there is anybody who could help me with network configuration in Debian, could you please message me.
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20:52<witte>Lanares: just ask
20:52<Lanares>Okay, well I'm only 17 and a total newb to this so I'm not savvy with the shorthand.
20:52<witte>Lanares: private messages are not done here, and this is a support channel, not a chatchannel, so all questions are welcome
20:52<Lanares>I have no Add button in Networking to configure my wireless connection.
20:53<Lanares>I'm sorry - I don't use IRC, this is my first time.
20:53<witte>Lanares: which wireless device do you have
20:53<Lanares>Pardon?
20:53<Gui>witte: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -D -us -uc failed
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20:54<Gui>witte like the error i've got using make
20:54<witte>Gui: upload the thing in your screen to a pastebin
20:54<witte>Lanares: open a terminal, and type "lspci", upload the result to a pastebin
20:54<witte>!pastebin
20:54<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
20:54<witte>Lanares: i just ment which is the brand/chipset of your card, most likely it is not configured yet
20:55<rickbot>woohoo!
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20:56<rickbot>if anyone wants to run firefox 3 on etch, look here: http://www.linuxscrew.com/2008/06/21/install-firefox-3-in-debian-etch/
20:56<rickbot>it works!
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20:56<Gui>witte: where i paste?
20:56<witte>Gui: didn't you see the link that dpkg gave?
20:56<Lanares>How can I paste the information from lscpi if I'm not connected?
20:57<witte>choose one of those and paste the resulting url here
20:57<witte>Lanares: ah,ok, i thought you were using a wire on that computer for now
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20:57<Lanares>No - I'm connected on a separate computer using a Belkin router and that's all I know.
20:57<Gui>wittte: i can't understand what i need to do, where i need to paste the errors?
20:57<Lanares>Normally my Dad deals with all of this.
20:57<witte>Lanares: in that case, just type the line of which you thing that the wireless device is
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20:58<witte>Gui: go to http://pastebin.ca/, paste the stuff in that window, press submit post, and paste the resulting url here
20:58<dantanna>Gui: go to paste.debian.net paste there post the resulting URL here
20:59<Lanares>There's a lot of mumbo jumbo about Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV processors.
20:59<dantanna>or use one of the other paste sites listed above...
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21:00<witte>Lanares: that is the chipset
21:00<Lanares>And is that what you wanted to know?
21:00<witte>no
21:00<witte>that is the chipset of the motherboard
21:00<Lanares>Then which line should I be looking at?
21:00<witte>look for wireless or network
21:00<Lanares>I have Network controller and Ethernet controller.
21:00<witte>if you know what to look for it is very easy, but if not it all seems <insert unknown foreign language>
21:01<witte>ah, can you type both those lines here
21:01<Lanares>01:01.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01)
21:01<Gui>witte: http://pastebin.ca/1081360
21:02<witte>Lanares: that is the one
21:02<witte>!rt2500
21:02<witte>!rt2x00
21:02<dpkg>methinks rt2x00 is a project (http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/) providing drivers for most <Ralink> cards, and a set of drivers from that project. The rt2x00 drivers are available as (quite buggy) out-of-tree LKM-s in Etch, packaged as 'rt2x00-source', read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian for compilation instructions. Starting from lenny/Linux 2.6.24, rt2x00 is included in Linux. Also ask me about <ralink firmware>.
21:02<witte>!ralink
21:02<dpkg>Ralink makes WLAN chipsets (product list: http://ralink.rapla.net/). They are notable for releasing software interface specs and - more or less buggy - GPL drivers for the RT2500, and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Out-of-tree kernel modules are available in Etch for RT2400, RT2500 and RT2570 (for RT2561, ask about <rt61>). Use <module-assistant> to install (eg. "m-a a-i rt2500"). Also ask about <rt2x00>. RT2800: <rt2800>.
21:02<Lanares>01:02.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6105 [Rhine-III] (rev 8b)
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21:03<witte>Lanares: apt-get install module-assistant; apt-get install rt2500-source;m-a a-i rt2500
21:03<witte>at least if you are on etch
21:03<Lanares>If I am on what now?
21:04<witte>debian stable (codename etch)
21:04<Lanares>Oh, um. I think so.
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21:04<witte>Lanares: cat /etc/debian_version should result 4.0
21:04<Lanares>Yes, 4.0?
21:05<Lanares>Indeed. So if I type in what you wrote before.
21:05<witte>Gui: spanish is not my thing, but i will try to build the package myself
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21:05<witte>Lanares: yes, should work, but let me know if it doesnt
21:06<Lanares>E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
21:06<Lanares>Is this because I'm not in root?
21:06<witte>Lanares: you need to be root, yes
21:06<witte>or use sudo
21:06<chealer>witte: FYI, m-a auto-install implies get (rt2500-source)
21:06<witte>chealer: ah, good to know
21:06<Gui>witte: it's portuguese, Saindo do diretório menas close dir
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21:07<witte>Gui: well, my portuguese is not better than my spanish :-)
21:07<witte>Gui: but i guessed something like that ;-)
21:08<Lanares>Insert the disc labelled 'Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3_Etch_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 200802217-11:50' in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter"
21:08<witte>Gui: which debian version do you have
21:08<Lanares>Is that the CD that I used to boot from?
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21:08<witte>Lanares: i guess so
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21:08<Lanares>You may call me Lou if that's any quicker.
21:08<Gui>witte lenny
21:09<witte>Lanares: la<tab> is quite fast
21:09<Lanares>Lou is shorter. Ha.
21:09<witte>Lanares: doesn't your irc client highlight your nickname for easier recognition?
21:10<Lanares>Uh, I don't think so...
21:10<witte>Gui: i have the same error, you should contact the author of the package
21:10<Lanares>All I see is you writing "Lanares: ..."
21:10<witte>Lanares: well, if anyone writes witte, the entire line is put in bold, and my nick is put in blue (in my configuration at least)
21:11<Lanares>I haven't configured anything - I've literally downloaded mIRC just a second ago.
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21:12<witte>Lanares: no problem (and i still use Lanares because if you were the last to speak, simply pressing the tab button will bring your name)
21:12<Lanares>That's fine. I didn't realise you were doing that.
21:12<Lanares>I think it's finished ... nothing is happening now.
21:12<witte>Lanares: it just installed the drivers for the wireless
21:13<witte>Lanares: is it a separate card or usb stick?
21:13<Gui>witte: this is a package problem, and can i fix then? no?
21:13<Lanares>There are no USB sticks in sight but I don't really know what you mean.
21:13<witte>Gui: if you are good in programming, yes, otherwise, no :-)
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21:14<Lanares>I do hope everything is meant to be frozen right now.
21:14<witte>Gui: if you can fix it, still contact the authors (there is an authors file in the package) with the sollution
21:14<witte>Lanares: :-), nope, it isnt
21:14<Gui>witte: thanks,
21:14<witte>Lanares: i just wanted to know if hte wireless device is something you can unplug
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21:15<Lanares>Well, nothing is plugged into said laptop.
21:15<Lanares>It is wireless itself.
21:15<witte>Lanares: that is, unplug without need for reboot (i have an old laptop, so my wireless is a card to insert...)
21:16<Lanares>Hm, it's not frozen completely but it must still be doing something.
21:16<witte>Lanares: can you do "lsmod | grep rt&
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21:16<witte>sorry
21:16<Lanares>I can try.
21:16<witte>Lanares: lsmod |grep rt
21:16<Lanares>Nope, it said it failed.
21:17<Lanares>Installation of the rt2500-source source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives. 1
21:17<witte>Lanares: ah, you need contrib and non free
21:17<witte>open an editor (as root)
21:17<Lanares>Apparently so, yes.
21:17<Lanares>Close terminal?
21:17<witte>Lanares: no, in your terminal, become root
21:18<witte>Lanares: using su
21:18<witte>Lanares: next "nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
21:18<Lanares>I'm in Root Terminal?
21:18<gsimmons>witte, Lanares: No, 'rt2500-source' is in main.
21:19<witte>gsimmons: must be on an other cdrom in that case
21:19<dantanna>sudo nano is safer
21:19<Lanares>witte: <insert unknown foreign language> is correct.
21:19<witte>Lanares: root terminal is also ok, or sudo nano
21:20<Lanares>And then "nano /etc/apt/sources.list"?
21:20<witte>Lanares: one second
21:20<witte>Lanares: can you connect that laptop to the net using a cable (just for now, it would make things much easier)
21:21<Lanares>I can just plug it in from my modem, I think. I'll try.
21:21<Lanares>Give me a second. I'm quite far away.
21:21<witte>ok
21:21*witte hopes modem is not 56k :-)
21:22<Lanares>But if I unplug the cable from the router to my laptop, I'll disconnect from here.
21:22<Gui>witte: i talked with a friend about that this package (some hours ago) and he said that i have to use this command export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/local/lib , it helps, i don't know if he uses debian
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21:23<witte>Gui: probably it would be nice if that would be on the website, or even better if the authors would include that in their package...
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21:24<witte>Lanares: yes, first install a irc client on your laptop from cd (aptitude install xchat)
21:24<clocker>ahoy superfriends
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21:24<Lanares>What CD? I have no CD.
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21:24<clocker>are there any outstanding issues with current and inetd or xinetd?
21:24<witte>the installation cd?
21:24<clocker>i can't get either to start and i am absolutely stumped =/
21:24<Lanares>I downloaded mIRC from the internet.
21:25<witte>Lanares: mirc is windows i guess
21:25<Lanares>Mhm, this is a Windows.
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21:25<witte>Lanares: i meant, install irc on linux, so you can connect using your laptop to this channel
21:25<clocker>no output to syslog, nor to stdout when i try to start xinetd manually
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21:26<Lanares>Right, so disconnect from here, plug in cable, download IRC for Linux and then reconnect.
21:26<Lanares>Un momente.
21:26<witte>Lanares: apt-get install xchat
21:26<Lanares>Clever.
21:26<Lanares>One second.
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21:28<chealer>clocker: what do you mean by current?
21:29<clocker>the current package
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21:30<clocker>sorry, that was probably the wrong term
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21:31<dantanna>clocker:I think he meant for which release (stable=Etch, testing=Lenny, etc...)
21:31<clocker>oh, etch
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21:32<clocker>sorry, most of the servers i admin are gentoo so i'm not really up on debian terminology
21:32<witte>clocker: etch is already stable for over one year, and stable on debian means nothing changed except for security updates...
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21:34<clocker>i've got no idea what could be preventing it from starting
21:34<Nemoder>clocker: how are you starting it?
21:34<clocker> /etc/init.d/xinetd start
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21:35<clocker>is that wrong?
21:35<Nemoder>no that should work
21:35<clocker>i figured
21:35<Lanares>Connected wired network and it said it couldn't find package xchat.
21:35<witte>clocker: what output do you get
21:35<chealer>clocker: sure, there are outstanding issues
21:36<Nemoder>clocker: you might try restart instead of start in case a previous process didn't stop properly
21:36<clocker>Starting internet superserver: xinetd.
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21:36<clocker>already tried
21:36<clocker>just says it's stopping it and starting it
21:36<witte>Lanares: do in a terminal sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list (no sudo is needed if you have the root terminal
21:36<clocker>but there's no xinetd process and /var/run/xinetd.pid isn't there
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21:36<Lanares>It's telling me right now that I have a software update.
21:37<Lanares>For linux-headers-2.6.18-6.
21:37<clocker>right now i'm just trying to get it to run time
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21:38<witte>Lanares: can you show the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin
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21:38<witte>!pastebin
21:38<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
21:38<Lanares>Hold on, I'll have to reconnect on the Debian laptop again...
21:41<clocker>http://pastebin.com/m2aee4318 is my xinetd.conf, it's pretty similar to the one i have on every other server
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21:42<jesus>ola gilipollasa
21:42<Nemoder>clocker: nothing in /var/log/daemon.log ?
21:42<clocker>nope
21:43<Nemoder>strange, I guess you could try running it directly instead of with the daemon script and see if it gives any errors
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21:44<clocker>already did, no output at all
21:45<Nemoder>is there a default config you could test with? I don't really know much about that program
21:45<clocker>the default config is empty, it doesn't even contain enough to start xinetd with a clean install
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21:47<joedalton>Hi
21:47<joedalton>I'm trying to install Etch again and it's shoot a weird error
21:48<Lanares>witte: http://paste.lisp.org/display/64127
21:48<Lanares>witte: I plugged it in and it said I was connected wired network, wouldn't let me connect to a single page on the internet, but I re-typed the error on this computer with all accompanying information.
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21:49<Nemoder>joedalton: nobody can help you if they don't have the exact error
21:49<joedalton>failure trying to run: chroot /target dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.11_amd64.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_4_amd64.deb
21:49<joedalton>wow finally I got it
21:49<joedalton>at the install base system step
21:50<Lanares>Is witte still around?
21:50<clocker>well... the problem isn't solved, by i know what's causing it now
21:50<clocker>apparently a disk failure!
21:51<clocker>sorry to waste everyone's time
21:51<Nemoder>joedalton: perhaps your partitions or mount points are not configured properly?
21:51<witte>Lanares: ok, when you next try your laptop, try to configure your network, probably typing "dhclient eth0" should start your network
21:51<witte>Lanares: concerning your sources.list
21:51<witte>but a # before the cdrom lines
21:51<Nemoder>clocker: doh!
21:51<witte>s/but/put/
21:51<Lanares>So what do I write?
21:51<witte>Lanares: and remove the # before the security lines
21:52<joedalton>well yes the setup is a bit weird, i've got 3 raid1 partition for /boot / and swap
21:52<joedalton>but it's seem's to be good, and some of the package install properly
21:52<witte>and add this line: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
21:53<Nemoder>joedalton: just a hunch but it sounds like maybe it ran out of space on the drive
21:53<witte>replace us with your country code if you are not from that country
21:53<Lanares>Do you want me to plug it in again when I type "dhclient eth0"? Is that what you mean?
21:53<joedalton>hmm i'll try with only 1 partition and no swap at all
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21:53<witte>Lanares: do i sense a bit of resistance :-)
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21:54<Lanares>Are you mistaking it for blind confusion? :P
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21:54<witte>Lanares: :-)
21:54<Lanares>witte: It's 3 AM in the morning and I only have a 17 year old brain.
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21:55<witte>Lanares: well, yes, getting the network to work on your laptop would help a great deal
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21:55<witte>so the dhclient stuff should do the trick
21:55<Lanares>witte: I just don't know what you're talking about. Put # before cdrom and remove it from security lines? Wha...?
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21:55<Nemoder>Lanares: http://paste.lisp.org/display/64127#1
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21:56<witte>Lanares: as Nemoder showed
21:56<witte>for the /etc/apt/sources.list file
21:56<witte>Lanares: and it is 4 am here :P
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21:56<Lanares>witte: You're all geniuses. I'm sure this isn't as taxing for your brain as it is for mine.
21:57<Lanares>Do I have to type it what Nemoder showed? :(
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21:57<witte>Lanares: no, just leave your windows irc client open
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21:57<witte>connect the laptop
21:57<witte>type dhclient eth0
21:57<witte>you should be able to go to the internet using iceweasel
21:58<witte>or whatever browser
21:58<Lanares>Alright.
21:58<Lanares>And then try the apt-get install xchat again?
21:58<witte>go to the pastesite nemoder gave you (you have the url here)
21:58<Lanares>Or do you want me to do etc/apt/sources.list?
21:58<Nemoder>Lanares: yes change your sources.list to match that bottom paste
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21:58<Lanares>Alright. :)
21:58<Lanares>Anything else before I disconnect?
21:58<witte>change your sources.list using nemoders data
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21:59<witte>then do apt-get update;apt-get install xchat
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22:00<Lanares>It doesn't require sudo nano for that, does it witte?
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22:03<witte>Lanares: you need "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
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22:03<witte>sudo is do as root, nano is just the simple editor...
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22:04*witte apologizes for the delay, needed some more whisky ;-)
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22:04<dantanna>witte: what kind of whisky?
22:05<witte>Old Pulteney
22:05<dantanna>don't know that one... :(
22:05<joedalton>Nemoder: it's seem to pass with only 1 RAID1 as /
22:05<witte>dantanna: http://www.oldpulteney.com
22:05<joedalton>but why? they are 80GB drive
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22:06<Nemoder>joedalton: sorry, I don't know much about raid configuration
22:06<joedalton>Nemoder: ho ok thx for the hints :)
22:06<utjail>in out in out in out - I'm debugging a crash-on-exit in Konversation. Bye again.
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22:08<nepbabu>what's the difference between if i run my own nameserver vs. some random ones?
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22:09<Nemoder>if you don't know then you probably shouldn't :)
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22:09<nepbabu>i want to know that's why i want to run
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22:10<dantanna>witte: my mouth is watering, and the liquor store closed 10 minutes ago :(
22:10<nepbabu>are there any performance gains?
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22:10<nepbabu>in terms of resolving hostnames?
22:10<witte>dantanna: it is not that easy to find, at least not in Belgium, and probably also not where you are from as the stores only closed 10 min ago :-)
22:10<Nemoder>nepbabu: if you are looking for faster dns resolving i'd recommend a dnscache program like dnsqmasq
22:11<nepbabu>Nemoder: hmm.. that might be it.
22:11<nepbabu>Nemoder: what about getting apt to cache locally?
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22:11<Nemoder>nepbabu: see apt-cache
22:11<nepbabu>Nemoder: cheers
22:11<nepbabu>that should do the trick for today
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22:12<nepbabu>enough learning for today
22:12<nepbabu>:>
22:12<Nemoder>nepbabu: aactually i might be wrong, mabye it's apt-proxy
22:12<dantanna>witte: I don't know if the local store carries it, but the state catalog (Oregon, USA) lists it, so I am sure I can order it for a price...
22:12<nepbabu>haha
22:13<nepbabu>!info apt-proxy
22:13<witte>nepbabu: what do you want, that apt gets his packages locally?
22:13<nepbabu>lol dpkg: die
22:13<nepbabu>witte: yup
22:13<dpkg>apt-proxy: (Debian archive proxy and partial mirror builder), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.9.36.3+nmu1 (sid), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 428 kB
22:13<witte>!apt-mirror
22:13<dpkg>i heard apt-mirror is a tool for making a local mirror for any apt source, look at http://apt-mirror.sf.net
22:13<Nemoder>ah there we go :)
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22:13<nepbabu>witte: Nemoder cheers
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22:14<witte>dantanna: there is always a price, but for good whisky, it is worth paying for
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22:14<witte>:P
22:14<dantanna>witte: true.
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22:15<Nemoder>just don't drink too much or you pay for it twice :)
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22:15*nepbabu wants some yucky vat69s
22:15<nepbabu>all drinking vat69 say ye!
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22:15<nepbabu>oops.. probably no one
22:16<dantanna>Nemoder: I'm sure that with the price that won't be a problem...
22:17<witte>nepbabu: just used wikipedia on vat69, maybe worthwhile testing it
22:17<witte>:-)
22:17<nepbabu>hehe wikippedia drinks vvat69?
22:18<nepbabu>nevermind... bad joke
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22:18<nepbabu>is there like a idiot's guide to becoming good at joke?
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22:19<nepbabu>s/a/and/g
22:19<nepbabu>s/and/an/g
22:19<nepbabu>doh my typing patterns fucked i think m drunk
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22:23<Lanares>witte: No such luck. :/
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22:25<witte>Lanares: you still can not connect to the net? even after reboot?
22:25<witte>or where are you stuck?
22:25<witte>utjail: do you need to autoconnect do #debian?
22:25<Lanares>I run dhclient eth0 and it said there were "no working leases on this database" and didn't connect.
22:25<witte>utjail: if you are just testing
22:26<witte>Lanares: do you have a fixed ip set up at your place?
22:26<utjail>I'm deleting my config files to try and work out what makes it crash
22:26<Lanares>Afaik
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22:27<utjail>good point, I could just do #test
22:27<witte>Lanares: ok, dhclient is "ask the dhcp server to give the network card an ip"
22:27<witte>utjail: :-)
22:27<Lanares>It's static, I think... if that's the same as fixed?
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22:27<witte>Lanares: it is
22:28<Lanares>What do you suggest? Reboot and try again?
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22:28<Lanares>I'm losing the will to live. Brother will just have to use Debian either without internet or reboot XP. That's if we know how to do that...
22:29<witte>Lanares: no, just set up the static ip, probably easiest using a graphical tool that is installed on your debian, you need to know the ip address
22:29<Lanares>As you've well established, I'm not that savvy with this.
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22:30<witte>Lanares: it is all reasonably simple, it is just not so easy to grasp all the possibilities from this side :-)
22:30<witte>Lanares: no, you are doing fine
22:30<Lanares>Nothing has worked yet though, lol.
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22:31<witte>Lanares: i disagree, we know your card is a ralink 2500
22:31<Lanares>But that tells me absolutely nothing. :P
22:31<witte>we just need to get to the web with the cable, and we can install it with one command
22:32<witte>but it is 4:30 here, and i really need some sleep
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22:32<Nemoder>Lanares: you can edit /etc/network/interfaces to setup a static ip
22:32<witte>Nemoder: can you take over,
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22:32<Nemoder>Lanares: or if you have gnome up then use the system/admin menu to configure the network in a gui
22:33<Nemoder>witte: ok, night :)
22:33<witte>Nemoder: thanks! :-)
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22:34<Lanares>bash: /etc/network/interfaces: Permission denied
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22:34<Nemoder>Lanares: it's a text file, edit it with nano
22:35<joedalton>sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
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22:35<joedalton>to have the right to edit it
22:35<Nemoder>yes
22:35<joedalton>(if your user is a suoder)
22:35<Lanares>iface lo inet loopback?
22:35<Nemoder>Lanares: that is all that is listed?
22:36<Lanares>The entire thing says:
22:36<Nemoder>use pastebin if it's more than 3 lines
22:36<Lanares>Okay.
22:37<joedalton>no not the loopback
22:37<Lanares>Nemoder: http://paste.lisp.org/display/64128
22:38<Nemoder>k 1sec
22:38<Nemoder>Lanares: what is the ip address you want to assign it?
22:38<Lanares>Nemoder: ...
22:39<Lanares>Nemoder: The one that will make it work. :D
22:39<Nemoder>Lanares: hmm ok how are you connected to the internet?
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22:39<Lanares>Nemoder: Connected at the moment on another laptop, wireless.
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22:40<Nemoder>Lanares: ok but the debian machine is wired into a router or directly to a modem or what?
22:40<Lanares>Debian machine wired into nothing at the moment.
22:40<Lanares>Was wired into modem.
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22:41<Nemoder>heh let me scroll up and see what i missed
22:42<Nemoder>looks like witte was trying to help you configure eth0 which is a wired interface
22:43<Lanares>Yeah, when I plug in the ethernet cable, I still can't connect to the internet.
22:43<Lanares>Nemoder: It says the connection has been established but loading a page fails.
22:44<Lanares>The problem is basically: I have no Add button to add a wireless LAN connection.
22:44<Nemoder>Lanares: I am guessing in order to download the wireless driver you need to have a wired connection working first
22:45<Lanares>Yup.
22:45<Lanares>Nemoder: I think I'm just going to call it quits though.
22:45<Nemoder>Lanares: what is the ip address of your windows machine?
22:45<Lanares>192.168.2.11 as it appears in Status when I right click on the taskbar.
22:45<Nemoder>ok
22:46<Nemoder>Lanares: try this http://paste.lisp.org/display/64128#1
22:47<Nemoder>Lanares: edit the interfaces file and add those 5 lines
22:48<Nemoder>I am just guessing at the addresses but hopefully it is right
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22:48<joedalton>don't it need the network 192.168.2.0 too?
22:48<hobophobe>Anyone know if a recent (past two weeks) update to unstable should now make my usb mass storage not automount?
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22:48<gsimmons>joedalton: That's optional.
22:49<joedalton>gsimmons: ho ok thx, do you know what it does exactly?
22:49<Lanares>Nemoder: Is the address meant to be 192.168.2.12 or typo?
22:49<Nemoder>Lanares: well you can't use the same one as your windows machine
22:49<Lanares>Oh, right, 'k. :)
22:49<Nemoder>Lanares: at least not while it is connected
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22:50<Lanares>Nemoder: Seems to have saved it alright.
22:50<Nemoder>Lanares: once you have saved that file make sure the cable is plugged in and run: ifup eth0
22:50<Lanares>Nemoder: Alright, brb.
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22:51<hobophobe>when I plug it in the kernel sees it, but until recently it would automatically be mounted/unmounted?
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22:57<hobophobe>I figured it would be either udev or gnome-volume-manager but I'm not seeing any reports?
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22:59<hobophobe>Not sure if there's a way to see if gvm is even trying to mount it?
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23:03<hobophobe>hmm.
23:03<Lanares>Nemoder: Okay, well, I ran ifup eth0 to no avail, I'm calling it quits and going to bed. Thank you for all of your help, and the same to witte if you get the chance to pass the message on.
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23:04<Lanares>Nemoder: But I've decided that my brother will not use the computer enough to warrant putting this much effort in for him. We can just reboot XP if he needs the internet that badly.
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23:04<Lanares>Nemoder: He has a desktop that he can use still.
23:04<Nemoder>Lanares: ah well, not much debian can do to make it easier when wireless manufacturers don't release info on their cards :(
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23:06<Lanares>Nemoder: It's not that I don't appreciate your help but I suspect it would have been a lot easier had I a better knowledge of computers and terminology. :P I'm so lost.
23:06<w1e3>:p
23:06<Nemoder>Lanares: you did fine, it just takes a lot of steps to get things like that working
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23:07<Lanares>Nemoder: Heh, thanks. ^^ Have to admit, I felt pretty dumb.
23:07<Lanares>Nemoder: Alas it's 4:07 AM and my bed calls. Thank you again!
23:08<Nemoder>night
23:08<Lanares>Night all.
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23:08<w1e3>not night,i'm morning
23:09<chealer>Nemoder: if you're still discussing RT2500, that's already supported by default in lenny.
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23:10<Nemoder>chealer: ah good to hear
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23:20<thepretender84>I am a complete CS noob, but what can I setup CS with a db500 and a legit dN card?
23:20<thepretender84>oops....I meant: I am a complete CS noob, but can I setup CS with a db500 and a legit dN card?
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23:32<joedalton>is anybody good with networking on etch around here?
23:32<joedalton>i'm trying to setup a 802.3ad bond with 2 NIC but it fail to bring up
23:33<joedalton>i've installed ifenslave, setup the /etc/modprobe.d/arch/i386 and i've edited my /etc/network/interfaces
23:34<joedalton>like it's said on this page, except for the mode=0, i put 4 instead to have 802.3ad teaming
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